Ep. 20 - Unveiling Natural Pain Relief: The Synergy of Ancient Medicine and Modern Science with LUMNA

Have you ever wondered if there’s a non-addictive, natural solution for pain and stress relief? Join me, Renee Barasch, the Tummy Whisperer, as I sit down with Krystal Chong and Dr. Julianna Giles, the extraordinary talents behind Lumna, a company that’s making waves with their transdermal therapeutic elixirs. Hear firsthand how their products have transformed my health and alleviated my husband’s plantar fasciitis pain. Krystal and Dr. Giles reveal their groundbreaking fusion of ancient medicine and modern science, targeting the nervous system to provide safe, immediate relief with long-lasting benefits.

Krystal and Dr. Giles walk us through the intricate and dynamic process of creating their advanced pain relief formulation. From the painstaking selection of over 21 potent ingredients to taking production into their own hands, they share their journey filled with challenges and triumphs. Learn about the therapeutic power of essential oils and the importance of bioavailability and therapeutic doses. Hear touching testimonials from users whose lives have been dramatically improved by these carefully crafted products, proving that natural remedies can offer effective relief for conditions that often seem unsolvable.

Explore the fascinating world of neuroplasticity and the top-down approach to health with Dr. Giles, and discover how our nervous system governs overall well-being. Understand the critical role of neuroplastogens in healing chronic pain and trauma-related conditions like CPTSD. Gain practical insights into formulating effective natural health solutions, especially for those on multiple medications. This episode is brimming with practical advice, personal stories, and in-depth discussions that underscore the transformative potential of natural products in achieving holistic health and balance.



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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
As always, welcome everybody to the Tummy Whisperer
podcast.
I'm your host and TummyWhisperer specialist, renee
Barish.
I am really excited todaybecause I have some very special
guests on today.
About a month and a half ago,or two months ago, I was talking
with a good friend of mine andshe had a lot of pain.
She had a lot of pain in herabdomen area.

(00:28):
She had stage three uterinecancer.
She's in remission, she's doingquite well, but she had a lot
of crowding feeling, deep hippain.
Just it was a lot for her totry to.
We're dog walking partners,right, so we walk 15 to 20 miles
a week and we do it, but shepushes through.
So she starts telling me aboutthis product that she just

(00:52):
started to use and she wasfeeling better and she at one
point announced to me on our sixmile hike that she had no pain.
I said, let me add it, I aminterested in this, so fast
forward to ordering some of thisamazing product myself from
Lumna.
I have been able to reallychange my health in a different
direction that I don't know thatI would be able to without this

(01:14):
product.
So today, as a special treat, Ihave the founder and formulator
on from Lumna.
Crystal Chong is the co-founderof Lumna, dr Juliana Giles is
the formulator and she's anaturopathic physician and
actually my new doc.
Full Transparency, who'sfucking amazing.
Sorry, and because I need a lotof help, but I've just been so

(01:40):
blown away by the results I'mhaving within my own system and
on my clients my husband as well.
As a testimonial, he's got astanding up job now.
Plantar fasciitis, you think, eh, but until you get plantar
fasciitis, he said it's reallyintense, sticking in the heel
and everything.
And he's limping to thebathroom and I'm like, oh my God
, is this what it's going to belike when we're 90?
Like what the heck, what theheck?

(02:00):
He's using the cream, he'susing the cream and he's just
one day starts like moving hisfoot around.
He's like I just don't think Ifeel my heel anymore and he's
got two standup jobs Again.
This product has been gamechanging for me, so I wanted to
bring these beautiful ladies onto talk about Luna, talk about
the idea behind formulating it.
Obviously, so many people haveso many issues with their health

(02:22):
digestion, pain, sleep, ins somany people have so many issues
with their health digestion,pain, sleep, insomnia, anxiety,
allergies we can go on for hours.
This product, their products,can help on some level with a
lot of these things.
So I thought I would just leadin with that and then just punt
over to you girls and take itaway however you want to start.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Sure.
So maybe I'll share a littlebit about what Lumna is, because
I know Dr J is going to beprobably answering most of the
questions.
Get it where I can.
Basically yeah, so Lumna is ahybrid of ancient medicine and
modern science.
That's what our elixirs aremade from.
It's a novel, natural andextremely effective solution, as
you see, renee, for pain, hardto treat, pain and we'll talk

(03:03):
more about these things stressand also sleep, so people find
an easier time falling asleep.
They stay asleep, they wake upfeeling rested, not groggy.
One of the things that we loveabout it it's very safe.
It's not addictive.
One of the things that we'revery proud of is that it's the
world's first transdermaltherapeutic elixir, so it's
basically the world's firstlotion that helps to support

(03:25):
these things pain, stress andsleep at the root cause, which
is your nervous system, and oneof our missions was to help
support things at the root causelevel versus just symptoms, and
so that's one of the thingsthat we love about how it's
working, and that's one of thereasons why it's working so well
.
It's clinically tested.
We, as you shared, renee havefantastic stories from people

(03:45):
who are using it.
That just lights us up andmakes us feel so happy that we
embarked on this journey andjust makes us so fulfilled.
And I think another great thingthat we really love about it is
that people get immediate relief, right, because that's what
people need.
They need something to take theweight off of the pain or the
anxiety that they're feelingright now, and the immediate
relief that they get isincredible.
Some people report at leasttaking at least half, and then

(04:09):
another thing that we reallylove is that these results
improve with time, and Dr J willshare more about, specifically,
the mechanisms and theformulation for how that's
working.
It's a beautiful formulationand it's just a wonderful thing
that she's created which we havelots to share with you guys on.
And I think the last thing thatI wanted to share on it very
quickly is just that sometimespeople forget that your skin is
your biggest organ, right, weuse lotion every day on our body

(04:31):
as part of our routine that alot of times, lotion probably
Sorry, worst case scenario hasthings like that are very
unhealthy for you, likephthalates or things that can
cause other health issues ormake health issues worse and
best case scenario is reallygood for your skin.
But we forget that in thisroutine that we're doing every

(04:51):
day.
We can also use something thatis helping to help us with our
overall health, as well asspecific conditions that we're
battling with, and one of theand one of the things I love
about it.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
It too is like how many I feel like I'm a whole
dispensary here with all thesupplements I take because I
need to, and I'm fine with that.
But how nice is it to be ableto put a cream on and just get
it right to your organs and DrJis going to go into how it does
it.
It gets to the organs becauseof how she formulated it, so I
won't spoiler alert it, but itis.
It's been just such a blessingto have in my life and I'm so

(05:26):
excited.
So, dr J, tell us a little bitabout the vision, the why all of
it, how it all came to whereyou guys are today.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, so great question when to begin?
I guess just a background storyis that Crystal and I met at a
yoga retreat a year and a halfalmost two years ago and we just
connected.
We chatted the whole time.
It was like instant connection.
We became good friends and afew months later, of course, we
exchanged contact info and a fewmonths later she approached me

(05:57):
and just said so, I have thisidea.
I don't know if it's evenpossible and I don't know if you
are the person to talk to aboutthis, but you've told me you've
worked on herbal formulations,that you've worked for other
companies doing formulations,and I have this idea that I
would like to make a lotion thathelps people with their anxiety

(06:18):
or stress or mood.
Would you be able to makesomething like that?
I want, and I want it to haveimmediate effects on people, to
be able to feel it right away.
And I was like, yeah, I coulddo that.
And she's like but would itwork?
And I was like I'd make it work, I'm not going to put something
out there that isn't going towork, like I'll keep working it
until it works.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's how I am, I think, sajay, just to add to
this, I think one of the thingsis that I really wanted
something that would make peoplenot feel sedated right, Because
I'm somebody who struggled withanxiety my whole life and I
didn't like the medicationsbecause it dumbed me down and I
wanted to heal myself.
I also wanted something thatwasn't just treating the symptom
, like we're talking abouttreating the root cause, which
is your nervous system, and thatwasn't really there for people,
and I wanted something thatwasn't addictive as well.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I'd ask Dr J if she could make something like this,
and then I'm probably going tointerrupt me at any point
because, yeah, this is a dynamicconversation.
But yeah, I said, of course,and I knew right away that I
could make something that wassystemically absorbed and that
people could feel right away,and I told her I was like I'm
not worried about it not working, I'm worried about getting the

(07:19):
texture right, like fulldisclosure.
That's going to be the hardestpart is getting it the right
consistency and getting it tofully emulsify and hold, because
it's hard to do with naturalproducts.
That's why so many topicals arejust some like base that they
add other things to like somekind of junky petroleum basers,
coconut oil or something.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I actually wanted to ask you what is the actual cream
, if you can, if you can't,that's okay, yeah yeah, I want
to know what the?
I see the oil separate a littletiny bit when it's warmer in my
bedroom.
I smell the helichrysum, Ismell all the this so delicious
you can literally like baste aturkey and it's amazing.

(08:00):
But I wonder when I put it on,I can't place what the main
cream part is.
It's not coconut, it's notpetroleum, it's not anything
gross, and I wondered what itwas.
If you could share, I wascurious.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think the way that it comes together is a mix of 21
plus ingredients, but some ofthe oils that we're using are
castor, shea and jojoba and, asDr J will share, we used over 21
ingredients that have beenshown to be clinically effective
for various things, so everyingredient was very
intentionally chosen to speak tothe specific thing that it's
for, and J will probably go moreinto that, including those oils

(08:36):
.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Okay, yeah, Perfect, and the whole idea.
This is a good segue into once.
I perfected the initialformulation, which took about
three iterations before I got itto really hold and stay
consistent.
We did at one point look intocontract manufacturing, thinking
if we could off, if we couldoffload the work.
Now that we have a wholeformulation that works, that

(09:00):
would be ideal for us and we.
I don't know how many contractmanufacturers we've talked to
but everyone was like basicallyhell, no, there's no way like
this is way too complex.
This is not what we normally do.
We normally want you to choosea base and then choose
constituents to add to the base.
We don't do emulsifications.
We don't do.
We don't emulsify things.

(09:20):
We don't.
This is way beyond what we'reable to do.
So we had to set upmanufacturing, you know, upscale
it from my kitchen basically toa larger lab size with lab size
equipment, and we had to getmanufacturing going all on our
own.
We couldn't, nobody could makeit.
So basically it is a common.
It's an emulsion of earlyinfused oils and then different

(09:42):
constituents added to that,emulsified with water soluble
constituents, things like aloeand other things.
So there's aloe in there,there's glycerin or glycerites,
other, there's magnesium Again.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'll get into the ingredients in a little bit Like
the shea butters, maybe some ofthe thick.
I was wondering yeah, thethickness comes from the shea.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
There's also some beeswax, lanolin things that
help to emulsify and also keepit together.
These were all little tweaksthat I had to make in the
formulation process to get it tonot split constantly and not so
that you didn't have to shakeit every time you tried to use
it.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, it stays together well, only if it's like
a little warmer in my bedroom,I get to give it a little stir.
I love when I hear my husbandstirring it, that means he's
using it, love it, love it, loveit.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
We were having to have everybody shake it and we
were having to stir it each time, and so all of the tweaks that
I made were to get it to sticktogether without the use of
binders or other likenon-bioactive constituents.
There is an intention behind itand a bioactive, like
bioactivity, to every singleconstituent that we add.

(10:54):
There's no fillers, there's no,there's nothing that's just
there to keep it together.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
it has, and you can feel it too, like Janine, like
when you put it on.
It doesn't feel like anythingyou've ever put on it's not no,
and it it smells so good it'snot greasy, it's not sticky,
it's like just it's amazing it's.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's interesting, janine, that you brought up the
smell, because that's one of thethings that Dr J is referring
to, which is that every singleingredient has a purpose, even
the ingredients that you'resmelling.
They're from essential oils likehelichrysum, geranium, rose,
peppermint, vanilla, and all ofthose specific essential oils
are speaking to whether it'smood or stress or pain,
depending on the formulationthat they're in.
I think, just to add to theconversation about the

(11:34):
formulation, dr J and I sat andwe talked about all the
different kinds of things thatwe could use, and Dr J has
extensively researched a lot ofthese things and how they can
work together and how they cansupport the issue, and then
that's how it came together, andI think that the ingredients
which she's going to talk aboutmore, I'm sure, shortly, because
it's pretty fascinating thatcombination of ingredients is
what's helping it to give reliefto pain conditions that in a

(11:59):
way that's incomparable to theother things out there which is
why we're getting these emailsfrom people that we don't know,
which is really just likelighting up our life.
It's working for things thatare really difficult to treat,
that are not really well coveredby conventional pharmaceuticals
.
I remember very early on in ourjourney Dr J was talking about.
We started with the anxietyformulation and we had Is that

(12:22):
calm and uplift?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
That's calm and uplift.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, for stress and mood support and sleep.
And we had someone who haddiabetic neuropathy and he was
using a bunch of differentmedications that weren't working
for it and he couldn't sleep.
And I remember he tried it onhis leg because it has magnesium
in it and the next day he justwoke up and he was like, oh my
gosh this.
He wrote us immediately and hewas like this is the first time
I've been able to sleep throughthe night.
He was taking gabapentin, hehad tried everything and just

(12:46):
woke up with these insane cramps.
And then a patient withtrigeminal neuralgia who also,
you know, has been seekingsomething for a very long time
but nothing has been working,and she says this is she uses it
at night and it's the only waythat she can sleep.
I think that the ingredient-it's so painful.

(13:07):
They're just for face right.
Yeah, preventing people fromsleeping, preventing people from
living, preventing people frombeing able to enjoy their life,
from being able to like, have afulfilling experience in life
and do things that they want to,and so that's a big thing that
the formulation is supporting.
I think another thing that isreally great about the
formulation is that it's reallysafe.
It's not addictive, and there'sa lot of things that you and I

(13:31):
have spoken about thisextensively not just help
support the pain and the moodand the sleep, but really
support overall health ingeneral.
We have this example ofsomebody who has had arthritis
for the longest time and she'sbeen on NSAIDs forever and now
she has chronic kidney diseasebecause that's what happens
after some time and she saysshe's been using it and she
feels like she can feel her feetagain and she really loves it,
because one of the ingredientsthat we use is, and so it's one
of the only things that arenever protective.
So it actually really helpsprotect your kidney and help

(13:54):
with kidney health.
I think another thing about theformulation that's really great
is that, in comparisonespecially to like NSAIDs or
other things for hard to treatpain, like we just talked about.
That person was usinggabapentin.
It helps people bring theirpain down by half or more and it
works for six to eight hours.
I'm talking a lot about this,but I'm just like leading up to
the ingredients, because I thinkwhen I share some of this, the

(14:16):
ingredients will have thecontext.
We also really love theingredients that are in the
products because it really helpwith neurogenesis, which is why
it helps with decreasing theissue over time and Dr Jay is
going to talk more in detailabout that as well because a lot
of things that people have,they help to support the
situation immediately, but notwith really helping long-term

(14:37):
and that was one of our missions, which is really the root cause
.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, and getting this stuff delivered to where it
needs to go.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And for those of you who are listening and not sure,
ala stands for alpha lipoic acid, which actually helps with
detoxification.
It helps with bringingnutrition into your cells.
It's a wonderful thing to addin.
I would have never even thoughtthat ALA would work topically,
but oh, it does.
So it's a beautiful thing.
And also, too, before Dr J goesinto the ingredients, which I
wanted to do for however long wehave to do this I wanted to

(15:07):
talk about the nervous system,the role that it plays and how
our nervous system basicallyhijacks our health.
So most people have pain,digestive issues, anxiety, all
the things we mentioned, butit's a really nervous system
dysregulation, and when yournervous system is dysregulated,
nothing right, nothing worksproperly.

(15:28):
Things are too slow, things aretoo fast, all the timing of
your cellular matrix is off.
So the nervous system can't gointo rest and digest.
It's in sympathetic overdrive.
Some people very rare thoughare in parasympathetic overdrive
or they're not moving either,and you need a balance of both.
So, dr J, if you could talk alittle bit about the nervous

(15:48):
system, the role that it plays,how our bodies respond to and
overly respond to stimuli, andthen we can go into the formula
and how it works to help withthat, and then the ingredients,
if that sounds okay with you.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Okay, take it away girl Renee, you hit on a really
important point that this Lumna,our topicals, work both from a
top-down approach and then abottom-up approach at the same
time because of the way it'sworking on the nervous system.
So top-down approach is when weadjust the brain and brain

(16:21):
health.
It obviously our brain Ishouldn't say obviously.
I don't think a lot of peoplerealize that all of your
hormones and your entire immunesystem is controlled by your
brain.
So it's the nervous system,signals coming from your brain
through the rest of the bodythat regulates everything,
homeostasis, and and thenthere's three branches of the

(16:42):
peripheral nervous system.
You have the somatic nervoussystem, which is conscious
control.
So like I want to move my arm,I move my arm.
That's the somatic nervoussystem.
But then you have the autonomicnervous system, which has two
branches.
One is sympathetic, so fight orflight, being constantly
stressed, fight or flight, juststress, overdrive, stress,

(17:03):
hormones cascading through thebody.
And then there's theparasympathetic branch, which is
mainly governed by the vagusnerve, which has two branches.
One is dorsal vagal and one isventral vagal.
So dorsal vagal is the freezeresponse and the shutdown
response.
So when we think of fight,fright, fight, flight or freeze

(17:27):
is dorsal vagal shutdown.
And usually that happens whensomebody has been in sympathetic
overload for so long thateventually the nervous system
just shuts down.
I always make the analogy ofyou know, like a bunny in a
field and if it can't run fromthe eagle diving down at it and
if it can't obviously fight,then it plays dead.

(17:48):
And so that's what the dorsalvagal nervous system response is
Ventral vagal is when we're ina balanced, calm, rest and
digest, open to connection,creative space, so we can
connect heart to people, we canagain digest our food and our
nutrients, we can feel more joyand peace, we can feel connected

(18:11):
to things greater thanourselves.
That's ventral bagel and that'swhat we're trying to induce and
we have found very consistentlythat both products bring people
into that ventral or can helppeople come back into that
ventral, vagal state wherethey're able to digest better,
they feel more calm, they feelbalanced, uplifted.

(18:31):
All of that.
And again they're just hormonesbecause, again, so that's the
top down approach, when a lot ofthese constituents working in
the central nervous system thenwill also help to improve immune
function and hormone function,Because again, all of those
signals are coming from centersin the brain.

(18:52):
Essentially we're targetingthrough the skin, where there
are a ton of nerves and bloodvessels, the constituents are
uptaken, circulated.
Many of the constituents docross into the blood-brain
barrier, which is why you feelthe effects of the medicine or
the natural medicines in yoursystem.
So that's the brain level, andthen everything can come back

(19:16):
into homeostasis, which is whywe're finding so many
interesting unforeseen sort ofresults of this, because we're
working on both a bottom up andtop down approach with the
nervous system.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
And I think there was something else I wanted to say
about the nervous system, butI'm sure I can double back to
that I think you explained it ina way that people can digest
and understand it that there'sso many different, there's the
different branches, right?
So like autonomically.
Thank God, because we'rebreathing without thinking about
it.
Our bodies are just so in sucha kind of response mode.

(19:51):
There's so much stimulus.
We have computers andsmartphones and all these things
now where we're so overlystimulated, more so than ever.
Yeah, the Wi-Fi signals mess upall the signaling molecules and
we could probably talk for along time about that, but it's
so hard.
I find it difficult to find away to really stabilize the

(20:13):
nervous system in whatever waywe can.
And this cream, the Lumna cream, it's one of the only things I
think out there that people canactually purchase for a very
reasonable price and have it intheir medicine cabinet, their
wellness cabinet.
Just it's.
It's phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
I love this.
My husband I have to jump in.
My husband is literally likewatching this on Facebook right
now, and little does he knowthat the founders of this cream
that is in our kitchen are onthis podcast.
So he's watching, and when Iremember when I got the box,
he's what's things that I'm likeoh, it's for pain, it's gonna,

(20:50):
it's helpful.
I'll tell you what it works.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
You got to tell your story.
You got to tell you this it was, I was cracking up, I said it
verbatim to crystal, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Hey, you're watching.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Give it, give us your story.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
I was on a new weight loss program.
I wanted to get back in the gymand lift some weights and I
went way too hard, too fast.
I thought I could, just Ithought I could do what I did
when I was in the best shape ofmy life 10 years ago.
So I was lifting, not thinking.
Anyway, I pulled a tendon inthis in the shoulder here, and I

(21:25):
had never pulled a tendonbefore Like it.
It hurts so bad, debilitatingpain.
I didn't know what to do.
So a friend of mine's achiropractor.
He's like oh, come in my office, I can do some treatment on you
.
And not that I didn't want to,I love him, but I didn't go.
And then I had a friend thatwas a massage therapist and

(21:47):
she's I'll do a massage.
So she came to my studio.
She did a full massage on me.
She worked on me for an hour.
No help, didn't it?
make it worse, didn't you say itmade it worse, almost it made
it worse.
It was like too soon, I'm notgetting you in trouble, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
It was on Facebook Anyway.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, yeah, it was on Facebook.
Anyway, yeah, it's all good.
So then I'm like, what else amI going to do?
And then a dear friend of minewho's like into homeopathic and
all this stuff, she's like youhave to meet this guy.
He's a guru, he's in Ecuador,he's a medical doctor.
He's been running this practicefor 20 years.
He does this like specificmaneuver with the brain and

(22:22):
pressure points and I'm like I'min, like I'll try it and
nothing.
And then here I am, I'm on likea Zoom from Ecuador and I'm
like, oh, this has got to work.
No, it didn't work.
I tried the cream.
Lo and behold, it actuallyworked.
So I spent hundreds of dollarsto like feel better and nothing

(22:43):
worked.
And this cream, it worked, itworked.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
So that's my story I was gonna say about this kind of
ties into.
I remember I was gonna sayabout.
Another thing about the nervoussystem is that we often say are
in like palliative care andpain management no brain, no
pain.
We all think about the painsignals coming from the
periphery, like your shoulder.
When your shoulder hurts,nerves are in or there's
inflammation, there's all sortsof signals coming out, but what

(23:11):
processes pain is the brain.
And so because a lot of theseconstituents are, because it's
fully absorbed through your skin, which again is the largest
organ of your entire body, andbecause it's going into the
bloodstream and many of theseconstituents cross the blood
brain barrier, you also have,when it comes to pain, the
central desensitization to pain.

(23:33):
That happens Because withchronic pain, what can often
happen is pain begets more pain,and there can be this central
sensitization that happens wherethe brain starts to process
innocuous signals, not painfulsignals, just like a bump or a
scratch or something, as theworst pain ever, and that's what

(23:53):
fibromyalgia is healthsensitization to pain.
And so because, again, theseconstituents are working at the
brain level, the central nervoussystem level, as well as on the
peripheral nerves, you'regetting basically double the
effect.
And then again long-term,because of the way it's working
on the central nervous systemlevel as well as on the
peripheral nerves, you'regetting basically double the
effect.
And then again long-term,because of the way it's working
on the nervous system and canultimately a lot of these

(24:14):
constituents repair damagednerves.
It can actually get to the rootcause If the nerves are damaged
and that's causing thesemisfiring signals, by repairing
those both in the brain and inthe periphery.
Eventually, if you use it forlong enough, the goal is that
you eventually don't need it oronly need it during acute flares

(24:34):
or times of new injuries orthings like that.
And again we're bypassing the GItract completely which, renee,
for many people's digestion isvery compromised.
And in Ayurveda we say not youare what you eat, but you are
what you digest.
And if you're not digesting,and also if you're not digesting
because you're in chronic fightor flight then or freeze, then

(24:57):
and everything's either shutdown or not moving correctly in
your GI tract, you're notabsorbing probably a lot of what
you're taking in medicines,supplements, food, everything,
all of it.
And so by using the skin youdon't have to worry about that.
And again, by improving theparasympathetic ventral vagal
tone.

(25:17):
Then over time digestion willimprove naturally, because a lot
of chronic digestive issuesactually start in the nervous
system.
A lot it's very overlooked.
We always think, oh, what'sgoing on with the gallbladder,
the liver, what's going on withthe colon?
But often it's misfire signalsfrom the autonomic nervous

(25:38):
system.
And again, I don't think a lotof people realize that yeah, all
of these ingredients are superbioavailable.
You're absorbing virtually ahundred percent through your
skin and they're absorbed quiterapidly, which is also why it
doesn't leave too bad of a filmgenerally on the skin, because
things are your skin's so yeah,right, right away.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
And then, dr J, talk a little bit about how cause it
is hard to repair nerve tissue.
The nerve tissue is superdelicate and I I think it can if
you lived in a bubble anddidn't move and had no stress,
but that's not the case.
So talk a little bit about howsome of that actual physical
tissue, the firing tissue of thenervous system, can repair with
these ingredients for so manypeople, and then, systemically,

(26:23):
how then it can heal with theorgans.
Take us through that if youwould.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, of course.
So when I was still in medicalschool we were taught that
nerves don't repair themselves.
If you have nerve damage or ifyou have brain damage, there's
neuroplasticity ends at age 25and then you're basically done.
Any damage that happens to yournervous system, it's just going
to be there permanently.
There's no way to repair it.

(26:48):
When I was in residency, that'swhen all of this research
started coming out aboutneuroplasticity and increasing
neuroplasticity andneuroplastogens or various
natural or even syntheticsubstances that upregulate
molecules in the body, like BDNF, brain-derived neurotropic
factor, or NGF, nerve growthfactor.

(27:09):
And when you can upregulatethese molecules in the body, it
gives chemical signals to theneurons to reconnect and to make
new nervous system pathways.
Again, both in the periphery.
Let's say, you damaged, youcrushed an ankle or something
and the nerves were damaged.
Those now we now know withinreason that those nerves can

(27:33):
rejoin and repair takes a longtime, but it can happen, and
same with in the brain.
So again, it used to be thoughtif you have some neurological
condition, whether it'sneurodegenerative or a mood
disorder, neurological condition, whether it's neurodegenerative
or a mood disorder or PTSD oranything like that, that oh,
once you have it forever.
And that's not to say that can'tbe true in certain
circumstances.

(27:53):
But what we now know is that byusing neuroplastogens, which we
use in our products, andneuroprotectives, you can
decrease the amount of time ittakes for those new neuronal
connections to be made.
And that also helps people.
And that's something thatCrystal and I both bonded over
the beginning is that the ideais that, especially with Calm

(28:16):
and Uplifted, that it can be acatalyst to help people make the
changes that they know.
They already know what theyneed to do to feel better.
But people are so overloaded,they're so overwhelmed, they're
so stressed they can't sleep, sothey aren't doing the things
they know they need to do.
They're grabbing the junk foodor they're staying up all night,

(28:38):
or they're doom scrolling orwhatever the case may be.
They're distracting themselvesand not doing what they know
they should do, and so that wasa big goal.
For us, too, is to givesomebody something that can
allow them to make changesfaster and allow them to
reprogram their nervous systemfaster so that they get.

(28:58):
That's where the long-termbenefits come in both process.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, and I can speak to that, being a child of
hideous trauma and doing a tonof work on myself.
I'm grateful for all theawesome people I've met in my
life to do this beautiful work,but when I started using the
products, I really noticed myhow do I say this?
It was almost like I had aswitch.
My nervous system was like, oh,we're supposed to like behave

(29:23):
and we're supposed to ebb andflow and have rest and shut down
and receive.
I don't think I ever.
I'm a giver by nature and Idon't think I know how to
receive and it's important, andI feel like that cream allowed
me to receive abundance in myhealth and in my.
I'm gonna start crying, but Idon't mean to.
It's just I cannot say enoughgood things about this.

(29:44):
I'm gonna stop crying.
You keep talking, go ahead.
It's really beautiful and I'mgoing to start crying, but I
cannot say enough good thingsabout this.
I'm going to stop crying.
You keep talking.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Go ahead.
That's really beautiful and Iwanted to touch on this earlier
when you mentioned just likethat.
We live in a world that's justso hard on our nervous system.
That's really how this came up,because I was working with a
lot of people with anxiety andthey were getting good results
doing the work, but I noticedthe work was really hard for
them to do.
People just don't have the timeto do all the things the eating
well, and the exercise and theyoga.
They don't have the disciplineand it's very hard when your

(30:09):
mind is already in this kind oflike snowball motion to get out
of it.
But also, people don't want totake medication right, for all
the reasons that some peopledon't want to take medications.
That was really the impetus forhow we created this, because we
really wanted something thathelped your nervous system,
because we're in a world that islike everyday attacking your
nervous system and it's creatingso many different health

(30:29):
conditions for people.
I used to share this all thetime, but I don't know if people
know that the world healthorganization has classified
anxiety as a disease ofmodernization, because it's
literally a function of howwe're living.
So I did not know that.
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
That's the only thing I like about.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's one of those.
It's one of the reasons that wecreated this right Like.
We're all about root causesolution and we felt like people
really needed something thatwould support them at the root
cause, which is the nervoussystem, but also give them the
space in their life, just likethe example that you shared
Renee is so extensive.
She's a doctor.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
She deals with a lot of really crazy cases like me
and like a million other cases,and I see a lot of weird stuff
too.
But I just feel like peopledon't have a way to just even do
the few things they need to do.
Even just talking to somebodyabout taking out like tomatoes
for histamine, like what they'reso triggered, I'm like okay,
it's okay here, just watch thisLumna video and order the cream

(31:28):
and we'll talk about tomatoesnext time.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well, I think people underestimate how much it's a
loop Like.
That's one of the reasons whyit was working for pain the
anxiety formulation, which iswhat led to the pain formulation
, because anxiety and pain areso related and anxiety and pain
are also so related to many ofthe conditions that people are
having.
I think that's why it wasimportant for us and Dr J and
her practice really focuses onthings on a very holistic level.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Very, and it's I mean .
Everybody comes into youroffice, Dr J, with some kind of
physical, emotional pain becausethey have something wrong with
them.
So, even if they don't feelpain in their body, they have
emotional pain because theirdoctor is giving them some
horrible diagnosis or whateverit is.
I want you to eventually workon a formula for chalupas,
Janine and my dog.

(32:12):
We would need a formula for thedogs.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
We do we do Dog formula.
I have a question.
So with the, we totally needthat for dogs for sure.
The formulas that you have, thepain, the one that I have, and
then you have an anti-anxietycommon uplifting.
How long did it take you toformulate those two products?
Was that an intensive, lengthyprocess?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Can I just quickly interject?
I just want to say a couple ofthings before I get with some of
the things that we were talkingabout.
It was just in my mind.
So, rini, I know you mentionedyour story and it, and it's for
me really heartwarming to hear,and I think for Dr J too,
because I don't know if, but thecompany is called Lumna because
it's about illumination, andour tagline is illuminate your
body, illuminate your life, andso it's really like full circle
for us when we hear stories likethis, not just about the

(32:58):
symptoms, which are really great, but when we hear how it's
changing people's life.
And then the other thing Iwanted to mention just very
quickly Janine, I love yourstory too about like trying all
these different things and thenit really supporting you and I
think some of the things and andDr J might talk more about this
but some of the things thatsome of the question that a lot
of people have is how come itworks so well, and I think a lot
of that is based in theformulation.

(33:18):
But one of the things that I wehadn't mentioned yet was just
how bioavailable it is.
Dr J was mentioning that you aretaking in all of the
ingredients, not just if you uselike a 5,000 milligram cream,
like I remember someone had saidto us that they this is working
better than their 6,000milligram cream CBD cream and
it's because when you're doingthat, it's like a lot of it is
just in your skin but you're notabsorbing it.
But when we're using thoseingredients, plus other things

(33:40):
like magnesium and kava and like21 different things and I think
another thing that's helpfulfor people to understand about
why it's working is that all ofthose ingredients are at a
therapeutic dose.
A lot of times when people areusing things, there's like Renee
was saying, there's like alotion, and then people just put
like a small amount of likestuff in there, but they're all
at a therapeutic dose, whichcomes back to what Dr J was
saying, which is why it's sohard to pack all that stuff in

(34:03):
there.
You want to see us we're making, we're like dumping all this
like lion's mane in there.
There's all these things thatare so good for you that it's
just really condensed with allthese things that are really
good for people's health.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Well, and they started with one product and I
think Sweet Relief was birthedout of.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
That's right, because we found that product was
really working for pain, becauseit's supporting your nervous
system and a lot of pain is atyour nervous system level.
And then Dr J was like well,people like this are pain.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I can make it even better, so what did that look
like for you, dr J?
Yeah, so the original.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
I probably I don't have a quantitative number of
hours.
There are so many variousoptions of what I could use, and
this is like the art offormulation is.
I peruse through all myresources, my clinical expertise
, the clinical evidence, whathas the highest degree of
evidence both in my clinicalexperience and in science, and

(34:56):
for these various initially foranxiety but again non-sedative
options for anxiety and stress.
And then I also kept in mind,because many of my patients are
polypharmacy they're taking alot of different drugs, and so I
also wanted to make sure to notinclude herbs or other
nutraceuticals that would workbut that somebody wouldn't be

(35:17):
able to.
They wouldn't be able to usethe product because it might
antidote or interfere with thedrugs that they were taking
already.
So I pared down all of myresources, had a full list.
These are the options we canuse, found sourcing for
everything.
I don't know how many hoursthat took in total, but maybe 20
or 30 to figure it all out.
And then I came up with a roughestimate of what I was going to

(35:42):
need for emulsification and howI was going to drive all of the
constituents, whether fatsoluble or water soluble, into
the emulsion, and then how, andthen tweaking the percentages of
all of that to make it again atthe end, fully cohesive so that
it wasn't splitting.
So that whole.

(36:03):
And then, like I said, it was Ithink it was the third batch
that I made where theconsistency was pretty much
perfect.
I had pretty much perfectedthat, so I've used that as a
template and it was differentthan where I originally started.
And so then, like Crystal said,we found out that this was
working so well for pain and atfirst everybody that we were
talking to about it was like howis that possible?

(36:24):
This is supposed to be foranxiety and stress.
Like why would this work forpain?
I'm like everything I use wasto nourish the nervous system
and pain starts in the nervoussystem.
I did my residency inintegrative oncology and
palliative care, includingchronic pain management, so I've
been working with chronic painpatients for even before I

(36:46):
finished medical school.
I'm very intimately aware ofthat mind body connection and
what chronic pain does to aperson.
And so that's when I said toCrystal, if this is working
really well for pain, like I candefinitely use the main ish
template of what I already didadd some extra stuff, take some

(37:06):
stuff away, switch the ratios ofa few different things, doctor
it up, and that one I think Igot pretty much on the first
time because at that point I hadalready gotten the main
formulation down.
So it took maybe one or twoiterations before that one was
pretty much perfected and we didfind it.
It's interesting because certainpeople I always ask pretty much

(37:27):
every patient this for variousreasons when it comes to
somebody who has, let's say,anxiety or depression or PTSD
and then also chronic pain, partof my job is to help people
unwind chicken or the egg, whichis the core issue.
What's really the deepest partof this?
The core issue, what's reallythe deepest part of this?

(37:49):
Is it the PTSD or the anxietyand the depression that's
causing manifestations ofphysical pain?
Or is it that you have theseconditions that are causing
physical pain?
That makes people extremelyanxious and depressed and feel
traumatized, and then they getmedical trauma because they're
gaslit by the medical communityand all of these other things,
which is the deepest layer, andthen I'll recommend one of the
products based on that.

(38:09):
But still, anecdotally, we'reall different.
We all have different bodies,we all have different, unique
physiologic responses, and sofor certain people, even if they
think that pain is the worstpart.
Calm and Uplifted mightactually be working better for
their pain, and vice versa.
We have other people who areusing the sweet relief mainly

(38:32):
for their anxiety and PTSDtriggers, because it's working,
for they both work for sleep andmood and reducing anxiety.
And to double back also to whatyou were saying, renee, about
the nervous system, I think it'sthe goal is not to always be in
ventral vag.
About the nervous system, Ithink it's the goal is not to
always be in ventral vagal allthe time.
If there's someone chasing youor if somebody is trying to run
you down in traffic, you needyour fight or flight response.

(38:54):
It protects us, it makes ussurvive.
If you're sick with a horriblefever, you need to go into
dorsal vagal shutdown and justsleep it off.
Like the nervous system shouldbe flexible and should be able
to move through those statesorganically based on the stimuli
.
But what happens is people getcaught in these loops where

(39:16):
they're in sympathetic or shutdown for months or years.
And so it's when we werelooking for that fluidity, for
that resiliency to improve sothat the nervous system can move
between these various phasesseamlessly in response to real
stressors, not just becausewe're feeling so stressed and

(39:36):
anxious and overwhelmed that wefeel like we're being chased by
a tiger, but really we're justsitting in our kitchen and
paralyzed, not knowing what tocook for dinner.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Right, and that's such a great point to bring up,
and even the little piece oflike.
When your body gets sick,people take a Tylenol.
They want to drop their feverdown, but fever's there for a
reason Like.
Your body is meant to have afever to fight off whatever is
going on.
Don't take the Tylenol.
Let your body ebb and flow anduse something topical like sweet

(40:04):
relief.
Yes, it's got cayenne pepper init, but it's cooling at the
same time because it's got thementhol in it.
The body is beautiful and hassuch an innate wisdom.
You just give it a little bitlike a little bit of cream, a
little bit of alumna and it'slike yep, we know what to do.
It's so important.
I just I cannot say enough goodthings about this stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I love it.
It's a crack for me saying thethings about the stuff I love it
.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
It's a crack for me.
Two good things I just want toadd.
I know dr j is very humble andshe's talking about, like her,
process of making theformulation, but I think it's
been years and years of herbackground, with studying
naturopathic medicine and alsohaving that background with her
master's in science in theayurvedic world, which is
extremely complex to understandyou have to basically understand
another language in order tounderstand it and it goes back

(40:49):
five, 10,000 years of ancientmedicines that work that really
helped to dictate that that shehad a really strong grasp of.
And we did spend a year, over ayear, testing it clinically to
get people's response, to seehow it was working with people,
and it was really exciting.
We saw that people who usuallyhave allergies to certain things
like cayenne or essential oilsweren't, and that's probably

(41:10):
because of the sourcing and theformulation altogether.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
That's a big deal.
It's clean.
When it's clean, your body'snot going to respond.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
One of the things that we see a lot of people
really is that we have all oursafety certifications right,
like we are tested clean for weare testing for mycotoxins, for
mold, for heavy metals, for THC,and that's all on our website
for people to see, and I thinksometimes that's why natural
medicines get a bad rap becauseof what they're using that's not
as effective or the dosage, andso we wanted to really make
sure that reputation for naturalmedicine was really preserved

(41:38):
and people understood how strongit can be, and so, like these
stories that we're hearing arejust so empowering for us going
through this journey.
I was saying how hard it is tomake because, like all the
things that we wanted to do,it's wonderful to meet the
people that are sharing thatexperience, and I think the last
thing I was thinking is I knowwe've been talking about like
trauma and CPTSD and things likethat, and I think one really
interesting thing that I findfascinating is that it's one of

(42:00):
the only products that is therefor the only product that we
know of, for somatic pain and oremotional stress that's in your
body, and it's prettyfascinating about how it does
that and why.
And since Dr J is here, maybeyou could answer.
You can share a little bitabout that.
I think it's really interesting, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Yeah, in terms of somatic pain and in terms of CPT
.
First of all, it's a.
Cptsc is a relatively newdiagnosis and it's still
dramatically underdiagnosed.
So a first of all, it's a real.
Cptsd is a relatively newdiagnosis and it's still
dramatically underdiagnosed.
So a lot of people basicallyyou can think of.
Cptsd is like a lot of.
It can be many big traumaticevents that are all additive, or
it can be a lot of little minitraumas over time that

(42:41):
accumulate over a person's life.
It does it.
Oh, I went to war and Iexperienced this one really big,
horrible thing and now I'mcompletely dysregulated from
this one thing.
But it's things that add up andthen the way it spirals again
in our nervous system andchildhood trauma really affects
the way not only the braindevelops but the autonomic

(43:03):
nervous system, how it develops.
And again, very frequentlypeople with CPTSD, especially if
there's childhood trauma, theyget stuck in either fight or
flight or freeze.
They generally often go throughboth and at different times,
but usually tend more toward oneor the other and what.
So again going back to the whatwe were talking about earlier

(43:26):
with the nervous system, theseneuroplastogenic ingredients,
these ingredients that areworking to repair and help
create new neural pathways.
It can help not only with themood aspect and the trigger
aspect and the the anxiety andthe fear and the depression and
the helplessness that come withhaving PTSD, but also, I always

(43:51):
say we store our issues in thetissues.
Whatever we don't processemotionally gets stuffed into
our tissues, mainly into thefascia.
It can be the fasciasurrounding our organs, it can
be the fascia surrounding ourmuscles, it can be in our pelvis
, it can be the fasciasurrounding our muscles, it can
be in our pelvis anywhere in thebody.
But we shunt all of that traumainto our physical body and, of

(44:11):
course, our nervous system isdysregulated the whole time as
well.
And so that's why I think that'smy hypothesis is that the
people who are getting betterpain relief from Calm and
Uplifted are the people who havemore stored trauma in their
tissues.
And this not only are theingredients again helping to

(44:31):
improve the autonomic nervoussystem and the brain neural
responses and breaking throughthose feedback loops and
creating new grooves, but alsoit's working on the fascia of
the body and even just the actof massaging oneself and taking
the time to connect with one'sbody and then knowing that

(44:53):
you're doing something that'sactually very healthy for you,
and you would have to takefistfuls of supplements to get a
therapeutic dose of each of theconstituents in both products.
And so, knowing that not onlyare you doing an active
self-care and of theconstituents in both products,
and so knowing that not only areyou doing an active self-care
and, of course, in Ayurveda,self-massage is like a daily
practice that is one of the bestthings for your nervous system

(45:16):
in general.
But that active self-caregetting out, working on the
areas where there's tightness,where there's soreness, where
there are fascial adhesions thatreally also works chemically
when it comes to fascia.
It's what holds us together.
It never ceases to amaze me thatif you look at a person and
their body and everything elseother than their fascia is

(45:40):
stripped away, they look exactlyhow they look because it
connects everything.
And again, since that, and alsothe thing about fascia is it
can exist in both a solid and aliquid state.
I don't think a lot of peoplerealize that, but when you work
muscles, when things get heatedup, either through sauna,
sweating, exercise, massage,directed attention that solid

(46:05):
fascia becomes liquid and so itcan actually change and you can
actually remove adhesions.
And then again, if thosefascial adhesions are
interrupting nervous systemsignaling and causing aberrant
pain signals or other things.
You are unwinding that whateverwas stored and allowing for

(46:26):
more freedom for energy.
Prana, however you want to sayit to, nervous system impulses
all of it.
Blood flow, lymph flow,everything to just flow better
and for the whole system at ahigher, broader level to come
more deeply into balance.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I have a.
My dentist is a holisticdentist and she's doing her own
ketamine.
Anyway, I love her dearly.
I massaged her neck with thesweet relief and I did like half
hour on just her neck and hertraps and while she got up and
she was like wow, I was like Ifelt just as good.
I felt like my neck and mytraps and I had.
I don't do massage anymore, Ihaven't done massage

(47:04):
professionally in over 20 yearsbut I was just like.
It was amazing how I felt justhaving the cream on me and
working on her because I wasgetting it, you know, on me my
massage therapist is the same.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
She says that when she has pain in her wrist and
she says when she does themassage with me and she uses the
cream, she doesn't have thepain in her wrist that's so
funny about wrist pain.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I was driving to my dog's Frisbee league I can't.
I have to have two good handsfor that Right.
All of a sudden, I don't knowwhat's going on.
What the hell's going on?
I like reached back open up thesweet tooth, I dip in there.
I'm not washed.
I'm like I'm not going'mrubbing my wrist and I'm like,

(47:46):
okay, we'll just see I get toWisconsin.
I'm like 15 minutes later andI'm like I can throw the Frisbee
.
I had no pain and I don't know.
I don't know if it was frommassaging the dentist, because I
hadn't done massage in 15 years, but it was so fast, it was so
fast.
The cream just worked so fastand it's.
It's just knows what to do.
It knows how to tell your bodywhat it needs, whether you need

(48:07):
a little bit of a sympatheticpush or a little parasympathetic
hold, or it regulates you.
It regulates you.
It knows what you need.
It's so amazing.
So do you want it?
Can we still go for a few moreminutes, cause I want you to
talk about the ingredients andsome of the big players and why
they do what they do, andeverybody knows about castor oil
and packs and liver and allthat and once you talk about the
ingredients, just talk a littlebit about what they can do and

(48:28):
what they're good for and howthey can help with each maybe
the system or directly, orhowever you want to do it.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
So we have.
I'll start with this sweetrelief, because we've been
talking about that quite a bit.
That's our product for painprimarily.
Again, we originally formulatedit specifically for neuropathic
pain, just because there's ahuge gap in our medical system
in terms of neuropathic pain.
There's only two drugs that areFDA approved for neuropathic

(48:56):
pain.
They're both gabapentinoids,and very few people respond
robustly to them, and there's noother on-label FDA treatments
and it's very difficult to treat.
Again, because we are focusingon the nervous system in general
.
It was originally formulatedfor neuropathic pain, but it
works for all kinds of pain,whether joint and muscle pain,
injury pain, somatic pain, etcetera.

(49:18):
We already talked about that.
There's the dual effects interms of central nervous system
desensitization to pain, butalso local pain relief as well
if you apply it to the areas ofpain.
And then again there's the moodsupport and sleep support
aspect, because, of course, youcan't recover in general if
you're not sleeping.
Your body is not like.

(49:39):
Sleep is critical, and it'ssomething that we I think all
myself included overlook.
So, in terms of ingredients,there's both immediate acting
ingredients and then morelong-term tonifying ingredients,
and then there's overlapbetween those two.
So I'll focus on the bigplayers.
There's a lot of otheringredients as well that I won't

(50:02):
get into because we would behere for hours, but I'll focus
on the highlights, like the bigplayers.
So for immediate, like whatpeople are feeling immediately.
Like you were naming, you saidlike it was within minutes that
you noticed that things were,that your wrist pain was getting
better there are both CBD andCBG.
Cbd reduces inflammation andanxiety immediately and again

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there is a therapeutic dose ofboth of these.
Cbg boosts mood and alsoimproves digestive function and
it's really good for the brainand the nerves.
And then there's also kava.
Kava, which people think of alot for anxiety.
But I think a lot of peopledon't realize that kava is
nature's muscle relaxer, so ingeneral it relaxes the whole

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system.
So it does help with anxietyand it does help with with
relaxation.
But it also is a muscle relaxerof all the muscles in the body
and it has an affinity for thepelvis.
So for pelvic pain, menstrualpain, any sort of gynecological
pain, bladder pain super helpfulfor that.
Then there's again, still inthe immediate actors, there's

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McHugh, which has a highquantity of L-DOPA which
increases dopamine, so againgives him a boost.
Lion's Mane also works as whatwe call a nootropic or cognitive
enhancer.
So that is one of the mainactors for the focus and
attention and mood.
And then two other sort ofimmediate actors are menthol,

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which obviously provides acooling sensation and it also
decreases pain processing in thebrain.
So that is one of them thatworks at the central nervous
system.
It's similar to an NSAID in thebrain but it's not an NSAID
like ibuprofen and again itgives a cooling sensation and
topically it also works reallywell for pain.
And then cayenne, and I wantedthe Sweet Relief to have an icy

(52:02):
hot sensation.
But I didn't want in your faceway too much Icy Hot, like
Bengay when I was growing up andit was like overwhelming.
And so I wanted that.
I wanted to use those becausethey're great medicines, but I
wanted it to be a little bitmore subtle, especially because
it's being systemically absorbed, so like you don't need to mega
dose those two.
And but the cayenne, it helpsimprove blood flow to the area,

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so obviously increasing moreabsorption and then also just
immediately decreases painthrough depleting substance P,
which I'm going to get to in asecond.
So the long-term actors againhigh in speaking and broad
strokes are the biggest playersIn long-term it's lion's mane
that increases BDNF and NGF.

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So that helps with theneuroplasticity component and
rewiring and damage neuralnetworks or nerves.
Cbg also is a neuroplastogenand also neuroprotective.
Like I said, mecuna is also inAyurveda a nervous system, what
we call Rosayana or rejuvenative, and Cayenne, again, in the

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long term, the more you use itit depletes a peripheral
neurotransmitter calledsubstance P.
That's what triggers painsignaling back to the brain.
So the more you use cayenne thesubstance P will be depleted
and you won't get the firingfrom the periphery to the brain
that hey, there's pain here.
Then also in the long-termcategory, crystal already talked

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or we did earlier about thealpha lipoic acid, same with
acetyl L-carnitine.
They both work to improvecellular metabolism, to detoxify
and nourish damaged neurons.
And then ALA isnephroprotective, like we talked
about.
So especially if somebody'skidneys are stressed from
chronic NSAID use, the ALA is abig player in that.

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And then both cannabinoids,both CBD and CBG are
anti-neoplastic andanti-metastatic.
So there's a lot of good immunebenefit there and prevention of
cancer and all of that.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I have a quick question.
Two quick questions, real easy.
One would you say that, likeother CBD products that don't
work are maybe for two reasonsone, not a therapeutic dose and
two, maybe not a quality product?
Would that be the right answerthere?
Yes, both.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
So number one thing I always see in terms of natural
medicines is people chronicallyunderdose.
They say, oh, I tried lion'smane and it didn't work.
And I say how much did you try?
And they said one capsule.
And you have to take threecapsules twice a day minimum to
get a benefit there, Like onecapsule isn't going to do enough
.
And again, are you evendigesting and absorbing what
you're taking in orally?

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And same as CBD?
So there's huge amounts ofadulteration in CBD, huge
amounts of just bad practices ina relatively unregulated space.
And also people really skimp onthe dosage and that's one of my
areas of expertise is in themedical use of cannabinoids and

(55:02):
people need to dose a lot higherthan they realize with CBD.
But we have a therapeutic doseof both CBD and CBG in sweet
relief.
But we don't overshoot it.
To have 6,000 milligrams in atopical.
People are overshooting itbecause normal topicals just go
into the epidermis.
They don't go down into thedermis and down into the
bloodstream, so they're notgetting the central nervous

(55:25):
system effects, they're justgetting top typical analgesic
effects.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Got it and, yeah, that makes sense.
And that was also like my otherand just to reiterate for those
of you who are listening notpsychoactive, you're not going
to feel stoned or anything.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
You don't feel anything other than everything's
0% THC.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
But the other thing I was going to ask you, and you
brought up lion's mane, ofcourse because you were reading

(56:11):
my mind.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I always think of like mushrooms and things like
that being used in the digestivesystem.
Can you really want the watersoluble constituents?
So you want to make like a teaor have capsules and take it
with water, because most ofthose polysaccharides come out,
like beta-glucans come out inwater.
So what was interesting this isactually one of the many steps
and formulations that I did themolecules that increase BDNF and

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NGF are.
They're alkaloids, so they'refat soluble.
So we were actually able toextract them in part of our
herbal oil and still have thealkaloid effect and still have
the upregulation of BDNF and NGFwithout having to, like make a
tea or put it in as a powder,because that wouldn't.
That would, of course, mess upthe whole.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I always wondered about that.
I've been dying to ask you thatso yeah because I'm like, I
always thought you had to get itinto the mouth for it to work.
Yeah, beautiful, perfect answer.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
thank you, of course so then I'll just quickly go
into again the highlights ofCalm and Uplifted, which is our
formulation for calming thenervous system and stress
response, improving sleep, etcetera, just before I get into
the ingredients.
Big reminder that stressreduces immune function and also

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interferes with hormonesbecause of the cortisol.
So in using this, the ideaagain top-down approach,
psychoneuroimmunology,psychoneuro is that by balancing
the nervous system we are goingto bring hormones and an immune
function back into betterbalance too.
And of course it helps supportsleep without being sedating.

(57:46):
So you can totally.
Again, that was Crystal's.
That was one of Crystal's bigasks at the beginning was I want
something to work but thatpeople can use throughout the
day and they don't feel sedated,because so many things that
work on anxiety are sedative.
And that's why we named it Calmand Uplifted, because it's this
sweet balance of both.
Again, it supports nerve andbrain health, autonomic nervous

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system We've talked about thatextensively and then all of this
that we talked about withfascia and somatic pain or
somatic trauma recovery, andthen also there are various
constituents that improve focusand mental clarity for executive
functioning, helping people tofocus.
But also so that's again wherethe calm and uplifted comes in

(58:33):
is that I wanted something tohelp with anxiety, trauma being
over in sympathetic overdrive oroverwhelmed, but also to not to
maintain or improve theirclarity and also boost the mood.
So the idea is to have a calm,centered, balanced but elevated
and connected feeling withoneself, with whatever you

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believe in other people, etcetera.
So the constituents here thatI'll focus on is that and again,
some of them work in both theshort and long-term.
It's hard to say, oh, this isonly for the long term effects
and this is only for the shortterm effects, but some of them
it's easier than others, so I'lltalk about both In the short,
like the immediate effects thatyou're noticing when you use or

(59:19):
when any of us use, calm andUplifted is one of the
constituents is saffron.
There's a lot I'm obsessed withsaffron in general, personally.
There's a lot I'm obsessed withsaffron in general.
Personally, I just am obsessedwith it.
But in clinical trials when itcomes to the brain and the mood,
there's a lot of research thatbacks it for the use of

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depression also binge eatingdisorder, anxiety, adhd, overall
focus and attention.
So definitely working on awhole bunch of neurotransmitters
and definitely supporting it'sa rejuvenative for the brain in
Ayurvedic medicine.
So definitely working on awhole bunch of neurotrans and
definitely supporting it's arejuvenative for the brain.
In Ayurvedic medicine Kava Kavaagain is in both formulations,
like I said it's.

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That of course helps withanxiety, but it also reduces
spasms in the pelvis and wholebody Because most of us who are
really stressed or anxious areholding a lot of tension right.
So just it relaxes the physicalbody as well as the mind.
We added L-theanine whichincreases theta waves in the
brain, so that kind offacilitates a Zen or meditative
mind and also improves focus andmental clarity.

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Clinical research also supportits use for both anxiety and
ADHD.
Cbg is definitely I always sayCBG for giggles that's
definitely one of the uplifters.
It really boosts mood.
It again supports digestivefunction tremendously, including
nausea.
A lot of people who get anxietyor have PTSD have a lot of

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nausea and CBG definitely quellsthat again in the short term.
But nausea and CBG definitelyquells that in again in the
short term.
But really it's the CBG forgiggles.
And then there's alsoashwagandha which balances
cortisol levels.
So that helps to improve bothhormonal function and immune
function, balances sex hormones,improves sleep, improves focus
and also reduces anxiety.

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That's it's one of the mostheavily researched herbs other
than cannabis in the botanicalpantheon.
And then long-term, like thethree of them that I'll focus on
, the long-term benefits from isthey're actually also in the
short-term.
Saffron is a nervous system andoverall systemic preventative in
Ayurveda.
Cbg, as I said earlier in SweetRelief, is neuroprotective,

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anti-neoplastic and it also is aneuroplastogen.
And then ashwagandha inAyurveda is used as a nervous
system and muscle rejuvenativeand it also promotes longevity.
It's one of Ayurveda's mainlongevity herbs.
Those are some of the heavyhitters there's.
All of our ingredients arelisted on our website for both

(01:01:55):
formulations so you can checkout a lot of.
There's a lot of other things Idid not mention.
They're also doing a lot thathave a lot of activity, but
those are the high notes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
And then just to reiterate too, all the
ingredients are sourced fromvery clean sources, as clean as
they can, with a really niceprice point for the product,
because they took their time toreally find as clean of a source
as they can, which is anotherreason why it works so well,
because when you put stuffthat's adulterated with
chemicals and pesticides andmetals, your body's got to get

(01:02:26):
through all that to try to evenget to the ingredients, and then
you're burdening your body withmore toxins.
So that's a huge thing too,just like when I'm working with
people with the gut.
You don't want to put in grosssupplements that have a lot of
crap in it, because you alreadyhave a compromised gut to begin
with.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
But like that's my biggest issue with.
That's why I'm so like,particular about sourcing
supplements in general,including anything in our
product, but also just forpatients, because there's so
much adulteration.
I have celiac disease and Iremember at one point when I was
in medical school there wassome I don't know if I think it
was like I don't know somesupplement, some vitamin or

(01:03:03):
supplement, at Walgreens andthey were using wheat flour as a
filler in their supplement andso I didn't take.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I would not take.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Personally, I would take supplements from Walgreens
in general, but this is like bignews because you can't do
people.
I have a friend with ananaphylactic wheat allergy.
If she were to take whateverthat was, she would die.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
She didn't have an.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
EpiPen, so you can't do that.
So the supplement industry isright with a lot of snake oil,
with a lot of really adulteratedbad products, and so sourcing
is so critical and that's why wewere super adamant about doing
testing to make sure thateverything was clean, and we
were also really proud of oursourcing, because when

(01:03:48):
everything did come out clean,we were like proud of our
sourcing.
Because when everything didcome out clean, we were like
great people are the people thatwe got our stuff from, are
there?
we hoped that they were doingwhat they're saying, but they
are so yeah, we'll prove it bythe clinical test.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
So yeah, I know we can go on for hours.
I have one saffron question,then we can wrap up here.
But back to the saffron,because you got my ire up on
that.
Could that maybe work forsomebody in love that has a
little thyroid hunger?
Is it more of an emotional?
Is it emotional eating Becausemy appetite is voracious with
this thyroid storm that I'm inand I can't stop eating.

(01:04:20):
Could I?

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
take some saffron.
Yeah, there's actually.
There's a formulation I meanyou can get it on on full script
and there's an actual.
I can't remember whatconstituent it is in saffron,
but they call it satirealS-A-T-I-E-R.
We'll look for it, but there's.
I know that there's varioussaffron extracts, but it's being
used for people with who areovereating, and that's probably

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also.
It probably works onnorepinephrine because it's been
studied one-to-one withmethylphenidate for kids,
ritalin for kids with ADHD, andthey are finding that it works
just as well as Ritalin does forADHD in kids, and so probably
that's also why it's inhibitinghunger signals, because of that
norepinephrine effect.

(01:05:06):
Yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Cetaril is the whatever constituent of
formulation that's in Cetarilthat they're encapsulating for
regulating mood or regulatingappetite, sorry, yeah, yeah,
thank you, cause I wasn't sureif it was more of an emotional
thing, but it's definitely aphysical.
I don't know.
I feel like my hunger is aphysical thing, with what's
going on with me.
Then I'm just like, okay, mythyroid is so up and down and

(01:05:28):
I'm Hashi and Graves so I'm anoverachiever.
But I've got like the.
I had the weight of my highschool weight about a month and
a half ago and now I'm like 10,I'm 15 pounds heavier now and
I'm blaming my sweet thyroidthat I love.
Dr J is helping me.
We're helping the thyroid, yeah, we're getting ahead of it,
yeah.
But I will say I've beenputting the sweet relief on my
thyroid since I got it and itreally helped right away.

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I rub it on the top of my vagusnerve, I go around my lymph and
even down in my lymph by mycrotch and not get too close,
but just getting the lymph goingwith the sweet relief.
If people just did that andwere breathing, they'd feel so
much better, 100%.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Also a plug for breast massage using Calm and
Uplifted, because number one way, in my opinion, to prevent
number one and number two waysto prevent breast cancer, in my
opinion, are regular breastmassage using castor oil, which
is in the Calm and Uplifted.
There's also Shatabri, which isgreat for reproductive health
for women in the Calm andUplifted.
There's also Shatabri, which isgreat for reproductive health

(01:06:30):
for women in the Calm andUplifted, and then also it's
moving the lymph, and so that'sa huge aspect in terms of
prevention of breast cancer.
And then the number two thing Iwould recommend is breath work.
Nadia, you showed enoughpranayama.
Those two things for preventionof breast cancer.
Oh, and so there's CBG, whichis also preventative against

(01:06:50):
breast cancer.
So, that's one of my favoritethings is breast massage using
Calm and Uplifted.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I also want for anybody who's listening, who has
a diagnosis of cancer or anyhorrible disease or they're
really struggling with a lot oftheir health.
I can't say enough good thingsabout Dr J.
I'm a practitioner myself,struggle with my health.
I've done a lot of really greatwork and I'm doing a lot better
.
The body ebbs and flows, justlike life does right.
So as some things go away, newthings reappear and however it

(01:07:19):
is, this is what's happening forme.
I want to invite you guys toreach out to Dr J.
She's at NeuroVeda Health inSeattle Washington.
She can take you remotely,which she does because I'm in
Illinois, although I might gobother her in her clinic just
because I have to give her a hugat some point.
And if you are stuck with yourhealth and you're not getting
your answers from your doctorand you've seen functional

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medicine practitioners andyou're just still like facing
medications, facing diagnosis,facing chemotherapy, radiation,
your things aren't going the waythey need to be going.
Please reach out, there's help.
She's a natural medicine doctor.
She's a naturopathic physician.
She has as much training as amedical doctor.
I don't even know what thetraining is, but it's more
because her menu is full of thenatural stuff, and she knows the

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She's an angel sent from heaven, and crystal is as well too,
and I just can't say enough goodthings about these two
wonderful angels that came intomy life.
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you?
we didn't feel the same aboutyou, thank you, um, you guys can
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I recommend the golden spoonbecause A it's beautiful, and
when I ordered for mystepdaughter she was like, oh,
why didn't I have this incollege?

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I put it on my eyes, it's sonice and cool.
But you don't want tocontaminate the formula.
So you want to wash hands?
Really good, scoop out what youneed, make it a ceremony.
Really.
Just take a minute to breathe,be grateful for the formula.
You don't have to do the wholeprayer, but just take a moment
to know that this is going tohelp you.
You put it on, get it on yourbody, body.

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It takes less than a minute.
It takes me more because I havemore areas to do.
Wash your hands and then go onabout your day.
And if you want to get a littlediscount, you can use 20 Tummy
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And I think, janine, you can putthe link in the comments if you
want, and then these girlsanswer questions.
Dr J will actually answer yourquestions.
She's a very busy doctor, butif you're stuck with your health
, they both will answerquestions.
If Crystal can't get the, if DrJ can't get you right away,
crystal will get your questionto her and she will be able to

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So I want to thank you guys somuch for coming on and just
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emotionally and physically tough, and this is to me a light that
peeks out and says all of usare going to be okay.
Thank you, thank you both somuch.

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