July 3, 2024 • 46 mins
This week, we kick things off with a humorous recount of our week-long hiatus and our love-hate relationship with our listeners. We dive into childhood memories with our father and celebrate career milestones, including my recent transition into a supervisory role. Mentoring future therapists has brought a mix of joy and bureaucratic headaches, and we're spilling all the tea on that journey.
Next, we get personal with some big life updates! After a symbolic haircut to shed the past and dive into new private practice ventures, we share heartwarming and chuckle-worthy family stories. From my son's impressive swimming progress with Coach Kyle to my oldest son's comedic biking mishap, we reflect on growth, resilience, and the trials of parenting. These stories offer a glimpse into how we juggle personal and professional growth, all while keeping our sanity intact.
Finally, we tackle the labyrinth of licensure and supervision in the counseling field with humor and candor. Discussing the challenges of navigating state licensure websites, the scarcity of diverse supervisors, and the often unpredictable quality of supervision, we propose more inclusive and streamlined solutions. And, to wrap things up on a lighter note, we share our imposter syndrome antics on the golf course, complete with jokes about remote control golf balls and magnetized holes. Tune in for a blend of laughter, insights, and heartfelt reflections on our intertwined personal and professional lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, welcome, welcome to the cast, man, welcome back
to the Twin Therapist Podcast.
It's been a while since we'vebeen here.
Actually, it's been one weekexactly since we've done this.
Yeah, like we've been a monthaway.
It's only been seven days.
It's been a while, man, I misssome of y'all, not all of y'all,
yeah, not all of y'all, butsome of y'all.
I miss some of y'allspecifically.
(00:36):
Anyway, man, stop hating on thelisteners.
Man, you always do that.
Man, you always take us, dothis hateful rigmarole with the
listeners Like you don't reallylike him, you know.
Let me be honest, listeners, ifI could just be honest for a
second.
Like, when we get off, all Ihear from Jude is he calls me
and he's like, he's like Dr Jude, austin brother, dearest,
(00:56):
dearest brother, eldest, eldestbrother, I come with you seeking
wisdom.
Do you think they like me?
I come with you seeking wisdom.
Do you think they like me?
Have I earned their love?
The perpetual question that I'vebeen asking you since the 90s
is did I do it right?
(01:18):
Did I do enough?
Did I do enough?
It's been a theme, anyway, man,hey, let's talk about groups.
Man, wait, wait, wait, wait,wait, wait, wait.
Man, what?
Listen, we're going to get togroups.
But there's been some changes,man.
There's been some changes.
The last time I saw you, you wasjust a measly old LPC, lmft,
(01:42):
and now you're in your moreevolved form.
Oh yeah, I'm in my supervisionera.
Yeah, they tricked you intogetting a supervision license.
Yeah, hey, dog like dog, why isit so hard, dog, I have, I have
a graduate degree in counseling.
I have taken a supervisionclass in graduate school, went
(02:04):
off, got a PhD in supervisionand still had to wait.
We still don't trust you, doc,still had to wait five years in
Texas to get an LPCS.
No, no, no, we still don'ttrust you.
And the LMFTS?
No, no, we still don't trustyou.
I'm serious, I'm serious, jus,daddy not fussing, I'm serious,
(02:24):
I'm serious.
Jesus Daddy, not fussing, I'mserious.
Hey, for the listeners out here, man, our dad used to say that
and then proceed to fuss at us.
But you know why he said that,though, dog?
Because any time he wouldslightly raise his voice, we
would break out into tears.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, hystericaltears.
And so he had to prefaceeverything you said with Daddy
not fussing, daddy not fussing,not fussing, not fussing.
(02:47):
But then he would but listen ify'all touch the Georgia buggy
again.
I'm beating asses, I'm notfussing.
I'm not fussing.
But if you touch it again,anyway, man.
But seriously, like just thisarbitrary five years.
Like, look, look, you know what.
You know what it is, gia, it'sa hindrance to commerce.
(03:09):
That's what it is.
Wow, that's what it is, man,you've been sitting too much
board meetings.
Is this what happens when youbecome an administrator?
You start talking about ahindrance to commerce.
What are you talking about?
No, but seriously, seriously,doug, you know how many people
need good supervisor.
I'm not saying I'm a goodsupervisor, I'm probably,
probably pretty good.
What's the name, what's the nameof your private practice?
(03:31):
Pretty good, pretty goodcounseling and consulting.
Yeah, how about your boy?
Yeah, yeah, I don't have anemail account per se, but like,
that's the, that's the name ofthe company.
Yeah, and I offer pretty goodservices.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's our,that of the company, and I offer
pretty good services.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's ourcatchphrase.
We offer pretty good services,pretty good services, man,
(03:51):
pretty good services.
But anyway, dog, this is justarbitrary five years until you
can advance your licensure.
It's like, is there anyliterature behind that?
Is there any?
You know, it's just if, anyway,yeah, anyway, yeah, anyway,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
But hey, man, you shifted, I'mdone, shift I'm done.
Now the thing is that, like youshould have shifted a while ago
(04:13):
, you just decided not to.
No, no, seriously, I had towait five years.
Wow, yeah, yeah, I was fullylicensed, practicing and
everything you know before,before this moved to texas.
See for me, you get yourlicense shift over and you gotta
wait five years.
For me it's different.
I think I think in louisianait's like three years.
I want to say where you'repracticing, that's how much it
(04:35):
is for the lmft.
That's why I was able to dothem kind of at the same time or
at the same time, not kind ofat the same time.
But yeah, I, I just in, I justin one taxi.
See, you shifted, you shiftedStates.
I've been in Louisiana for awhile and I've been practicing
for a while.
I just didn't want to be asupervisor, I just did not want
the headache, you know.
And now it's crazy.
(04:55):
It's just a point in my careerwhere I'm like, okay, all right,
all right, all right, all right, I'll do it.
You, I mean, I love clients, Ilove seeing clients, dog, but
it's something about supervising.
It's just like you know it'sjust fun.
Yeah, the income is a lotbetter and I like taking money
from the consistent studentsthat I know need to pay me for
their services.
I mean, I love educating andbeing present with the next
(05:17):
generation of therapists.
And also it's the power.
Yeah, that's what it is.
It's the absolute power ofanother person's future.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, you know Like I can holdthem back.
Yeah, you know I may just likenot count hours.
Yeah, you know why not.
Uh-huh, you know you know what,just like.
(05:38):
Oh, yeah, all that work you didin September.
Nah, I may just ghost some ofmy supervisees.
Why not Just ghost them?
Doug, you know what?
This is probably why you got towait five years, because they
know they got some crazysupervisors out there.
Dog, I had one of them, crazysupervisors.
(05:58):
I had one, that's just like youknow I had one.
No, I don't count direct hoursunless you hold eye contact with
the client for an hour.
Yeah, the minute you break eyecontact, it becomes an indirect
man.
I had a student.
I had a student.
I had a student whosesupervisor wouldn't count her
direct client contact hoursbecause she didn't go and sell
(06:20):
his merchandise at his eventsdoing like church things or like
other like, uh, counselingevents.
Like she wasn't at the boothselling.
It's like therapy is enrichingshirts or whatever.
Whatever it was.
Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, wouldn'tsell a shirt.
So she, he wouldn't count anhour.
She, he wouldn't count an hour.
She could not.
(06:41):
She could not graduate frominternship one to internship two
.
Wow, that's diabolical man.
Wow, yeah, man, yes, yeah.
That's one of the reasons why Ididn't want to do supervisor.
But how do people sleep atnight with that, bro?
You can't tell me.
You lay your head on yourpillow and you go.
(07:01):
Yeah, I did a good thing today.
No, man, listen, I don't want tomake it about that particular
supervisor, but, like I talkwith him, I'm saying let me have
a talk with him because I'mpretty protective of my students
and this dude had the perfectlylogical responses to something
that was completely illogical.
I was befuddled.
That's how he goes to sleep atnight because, like to him, to
(07:24):
that logic checks out, the logicchecks out, the light checks
out.
That's how he goes to sleep atnight because, like to him, to
that logic checks out, the logicchecks out, the light checks
out.
That's why I was like I don'tfeel like dealing with the
supervisee and a supervisor, acorrupt system in whatever you
know backwater private practice,this, you know supervisees
trying to get their clinicallicensure hours at uh, you know,
I'm not trying to.
You know, get a supervisee fromshack bay, louisiana, who's
(07:47):
doing they, they supervisionhours and bayou blue and got
some type of random asssupervisor.
Nah, man, I'm not trying to.
Yeah, back water counselingactually sounds like a pretty
good, it's a pretty good name,man, it's a pretty good name.
Yeah, anyway, anyway, anyway,anyway, so, yeah, yeah, so that,
yeah, that supervisor I got I'mbegrudgingly filling out the
(08:11):
paperwork to be in a lpcs inlouisiana.
I'm like 10 years late on that.
I'm so late to where, like, Ihad to retake the supervision
course because my, my, mydoctoral supervision class
lapsed.
That's how long I, that's howlong ago I should have been a
supervisor.
It's terrible, yeah, it'shorrible.
(08:32):
It's horrible, it's horrible.
But that and and man, I, I cutmy hair.
I don't know if you can, Idon't know if you can see that.
I do see that man, not all off,but yeah, no, not all off, but
just shorter.
You know, just sure, yeah, andI wouldn't.
I, I can sense the weaknessfrom you since you got the cut.
I don't know, man, I feelrevived.
(08:52):
What I cut off was I cut off allof wyoming and, uh and the tail
bit of that horrible supervisorthat I had for like the first
year of supervision.
Yeah, yeah, that's how you seeit.
You see your hair as beingsteeped in experiences, steeped
in experiences, and I cut thatexperience off of my person.
Yeah, okay, I cut thatexperience off of my person From
(09:15):
like I cut off from like 2013to around 2019.
Yeah, I cut all that off.
Yeah, I cut it and you feltthat.
You felt that.
Yeah, I cut all that off andyou felt that I cut.
Yeah, this is pandemic.
This is pandemic locks.
This is right when I said youknow what, let me start this
private practice and put the mehin mental health.
(09:37):
You know, in my community,that's a good name too.
Let me go ahead and do my thingthe meh.
Maybe that's a good name too.
I mean, let me go ahead and domy thing the meh, the meh.
Yeah, maybe that's another castman, but yeah, I feel lighter,
man, I definitely feel lighter.
Yeah, it's a huge jump.
So I'm gonna do some otherstuff, too, before I start my,
my new position, but uh, butyeah, man.
(09:58):
So congratulations, man.
Anyway.
Hey, any new stuff happeningwith the boys, anything going on
at the house?
We starting flag football?
Nah, man, can't learn how toswim.
Did you do it the way that wewere taught?
They just threw us into theGulf of Mexico and said make it
back home.
(10:18):
Nah, man, that was part of ourtraining.
They gave us a Pop-Tart in aZiploc bag and said make it back
home.
We got a good friend, kyle, whoI mean dog he is like an
amazing swim teacher.
Every time you talk about Kyleit's always in the context of
like yeah, kyle built a housewith his bare hands.
(10:41):
Kyle built a tunnel from Belton, texas, to San Jacinto.
Yeah, he once rigged up a bunchof those chargeable like Black
Decker batteries to a kid'sfour-wheeler.
I did that.
I mean, I think that thingcatches 35 miles per hour.
(11:02):
Listen, man, I did that toCairo.
I did that to Cairo's pyrowheel back when we was living in
Gonzales, louisiana.
It had so much torque to whereI had to put bike tires on the
back wheels so that it wouldn'tspin out.
Get that ging.
That whiplash man.
Oh man bro, but yeah anyway.
(11:24):
So he learned how to swim anddog just took to it like a fish
man, like you know, he's justready, like a lot of those
things.
Dog, with Keon happens likethat man where you know he like
that's how you learn how to ridea bike.
It just kind of happened likeperfectly, like right outside of
his zone of proximaldevelopment.
(11:46):
You know, wow, just like rightthere.
Wow, just right there,somebody's teaching lifespan,
somebody's teaching lifespan.
You know, Just right there, dog, like right when he was ready,
somebody's steeped into lifespan.
You know, yeah, he just pickedit up.
And it's the same thing withswimming.
It's like he was like rightthere, you know, he had his
floaty on, but he didn't reallyneed to floaty, you know.
And so, yeah, man kyle took himback there in the swimming pool
(12:09):
and the neighbor swimming poolman.
So he's like a legit swimteacher.
I don't know if he's licensedper se kyle doesn't need to be
licensed for anything but he'staught several people how to
swim.
If you watched him do it youwould think, oh, he's got a
(12:30):
class, like he's, he's taught acourse.
Yeah, he had a systematic way ofdoing it and seriously, it was
like praying at Keon diving inthe water picking up toys, like
swimming from side to side bythe end it took him, it only
took him like an hour.
Like saying from side to sideby the, it took him, it only
took him like an hour.
And at the end of the hour keenwas swimming back and forth
across the pool.
Man, like you know, doggy style.
(12:50):
And then he back in the forestrokin stuff need to test.
Key in for for supplements, for, yeah, testing for some
creatine or some.
A hey, man, I'm trying to.
I'm trying to race, a'm tryingto raise some animals.
I'm trying to build someanimals, I'm trying to raise
some animals.
Man, all right.
Well, yeah, my oldest has doneall kinds of crazy stuff on his
(13:11):
bike.
I mean, we're talking jumpingoff the sidewalks, jumping off
of ramps, all kinds of stuff.
Yeah, man, all kinds of stuff.
Not a single injury at all.
Man, yeah, but yeah, he wasriding in the front yard.
Not a single injury at all.
Man, yeah, but uh, yeah, he wasriding in the front yard, not
even riding.
He was walking his bike in thefront yard right and there's a
tree stump.
He walked into the tree stumpwith his front tire.
(13:32):
The bike flew over his head, hefell forward and the back of the
bike hit him right on the topof the head and like kind of
like, like, not stab, but likekind of like gouged out,
punctured yeah, kind of likepunctured the top of his head
right.
So he's running into the housecrying man I mean crying right.
So we were like what happened?
(13:53):
What happened?
He's like I hit my head, youknow.
So we were like, all right,dude, all right, sit down.
Yeah, we're getting nice back,whatever, I've been here before,
you know.
So all of a sudden, man, hestarts to like leak blood from
the top of his head.
Blood is like falling down fromhis by his ear, like behind his
ear, you know.
So then you know me being the,the calm general that I am.
(14:16):
Yeah, just the stoic, stoicleader of my family went into
immediate panic mode.
Yeah, hysterics, histrionic,frantics.
Listen, man, people tell youthat, uh, like hysterics is, is
like not contagious, yeah, butyeah for sure, it was the whole
(14:40):
house.
Yeah, my words exactly was oh,my god, cairo and cairo goes.
Oh, I'm gonna have to cut myhead off, they're gonna have to.
I'm going straight watch thevideo.
I just watched the video infull.
I'm going straight to brainsurgery.
Side note, note, side note,hold on side note.
So you know, I told your kidsabout Kyra's injury, right, doc?
(15:03):
So we're watching Outdoor Boyson YouTube and you know how they
have those shorts, right, doc?
One of the shorts was of thisfull body transplant.
It was.
It was, doc, I know, it was a3D model of, like how you
transplant somebody's head ontoanother person's body.
Look, look, it was like itsounds, it sounds.
(15:24):
We weren't watching it, it wasjust like.
You know, it was on the thing.
I was looking for the hot dog,boys dog.
So you know, and you know, theyjust they move, right, you
don't have to click on it sothey're moving and goes.
Is that what they had to do tocairo?
I was like, oh my gosh, no man,no, he just got, he got his, he
, he got his head glued full-on,full-on brain.
(15:47):
This, this boy was like am I,am I gonna die?
So we get him into the sink, weall?
Right, man?
Megan's like we're gonna haveto wash your hair.
He's like no, no, not my hair.
So I'm looking at megan and atthis point I'm looking at her,
(16:08):
she's looking at me and I'm likeare you gonna laugh because so
I'm like carol shut up and Idon't really talk to carl like
that, right.
So so I started running, gettingice, started, getting tired,
(16:28):
was making his wife and his hairblah, blah, blah it.
Long story short, he goes tourgent care.
They like put it, they likeglued the thing shut.
You know it stopped bleeding,he's all fine, or whatever.
And he gets home and kyra goes.
He has an ice pack on his head.
He goes daddy, you was runningaround like mr crab, so he
showed me a video, why theyroast like that.
(16:50):
He showed me a, he showed me avideo and he was like look,
daddy, this is how you wasrunning.
And he started like mocking merunning around.
No, I'm like you got the icepack that I got for you.
Wow, like you went to urgentcare with my insurance.
Wow, yeah bro, yeah, bro, theydo be roasting us man.
(17:10):
The other day I was trying toget some food ready and Keon was
at the table, him and Valen.
And Valen was like daddy, go,come sit next to me.
I was like yeah, man, and keangoes.
Why are you taking so long?
It's like I'm just heating mystuff up.
He was like he always moves soslow, like when mommy says she's
gonna do something, she justdoes it, she just does it.
Here, when you say you're gonnado something, you gotta go to
the bathroom, you gotta go tothe thing, you gotta go check
(17:33):
the mail.
When you and he was saying itin that voice I was like dog,
hold up, hold up, man, hold up,hold up, hold up, playboy, hold
up, playboy, hold on, hold on.
Forgot it was my side.
So what about it?
So, what about it?
So what if I do take that long?
You gonna make me, or you gonnamake me move faster.
(18:43):
Thank you now, doc, can we, canwe talk about like, how, just
(19:11):
like, how complicated sometimes,how needlessly complicated the
licensure process is.
Yeah, it's like, like withpaperwork, it's, it's ridiculous
, it really is.
It's, it really is, it'sfrustratingly ridiculous, like
it's.
It's different in every state.
Uh, that the, the websites areabsolute garbage, garbage,
(19:35):
absolutely.
I mean, louisiana has one ofthe best websites that I've ever
been to.
I mean, honestly, texas justupdated theirs and it's pretty
nice.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, butI'm licensed in Virginia,
straight trash.
Yeah, it's like looking at aWord Excel spreadsheet trying to
figure out where links andstuff is.
You know what it's like.
(19:56):
You know what it's like thewebsites are built by people who
aren't practicing.
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,yeah.
And I know that, like you know,the president of the board is a
colleague.
You know, like, I've taken someof his workshops and I'm
(20:16):
talking about like, like inLouisiana.
You know, yeah, but I know thathe's not like meticulously
combing through the website, youknow, you know, and nor does he
have the time to listen toevery single complaint you know
about, like the website.
I'm like I just get you makingthe dots are here and the t's
(20:38):
are there and the eyes, but butisn't it, isn't it okay?
So, so you get, you go to yourundergrad degree.
You, you take the nce or beforeyou even take the nc, you know,
you take the gre, you get intograduate school three years,
sometimes four, depending onyour timeline.
You go through supervisionhours, all of this stuff,
(21:03):
especially if you had a K-CREPaccredited program.
You know.
A moment of silence for thosestudents not in an accredited
program who's right now thinkingthat they're going to get
licensed in a state.
Moment of silence for all themoney they just wasted.
Bruh, I'm telling you, man, atsome of these unaccredited
online universities, man, theytell students oh, you're going
(21:26):
to be grandfathered in Moment ofsilence for the
un-grandfathered, right?
It's like if we get accredited,you may be grandfathered in,
depending on what the licensureboard says at the time we get
accredited, we don't actuallyknow.
(21:46):
And if you graduate before weget accredited, good luck, good
luck, Good luck, good luck outthere, man.
Yeah, good luck, good luck,good luck out there, man.
Yeah, um, uh, anyway side noteyou go through all of this stuff
, right, you?
You get your degree.
You go through all of this stuff, man.
(22:07):
And then you gotta navigatethis dumpster fire, yeah, maze
running situation, yeah, hey, doyou do?
You know, like, do you have aspecific class where you go over
?
You lay the land stuff.
Hey, listen, if you want to belicensed in Louisiana, let's
navigate the website together.
(22:27):
Let's go click by click, clickby click.
Exactly, you have screenshots,recordings and all of that stuff
.
Dog, hey, look, and even withthat, it's still like oh, I
didn't know I needed to submitthat form.
Yeah, oh, you need that, okay,even with that dog, it's still
(22:50):
like.
You know, it's just not likeintuitive.
You know what I mean.
And again, I do not want to harpon this, but five years to get
a supervision license.
All right, bro, all right, goshBro.
When I emailed them and I waslike I have a PhD in cultural
education supervision.
I took a supervision course ingraduate school.
(23:12):
I teach supervision, Isupervise, I have been
supervised, I'm licensed inanother state supervising in
that state.
Give me the s.
What did they say?
They said the laws do not allowus to give you s in less than
five years.
You could petition for a rulechange, but talk to me.
(23:32):
The problem is that nobody'slooking at that and going five
years, I mean, I get it.
Look, if you just have agraduate degree, okay, five
years, you know.
But if you just have a master'sdegree, if you have a little
tiny baby, equal little master'sdegree, cool.
Yeah, you got to wait fiveyears because you're going to be
(23:54):
out there and you got to getthe stank off you.
You got to purify yourself.
Get the stank off you.
You got to man.
You got to purify yourself inthe waters of ethical ambiguity.
Yeah, you got to lake ambiguous.
Yeah, man, the river ofimposter syndrome.
Yeah, man, the forest to fakeit.
(24:15):
Till you make it the forest tofake it, you make it the forest
to fake it.
Yeah, five years, yeah, youknow, but then again, wait, wait
, wait, that's more.
We could use that.
So we could use that for moreman, the what?
The bayou of despair, what?
The salt lands of self-care,what else you got, g?
(24:38):
Listen, all right, all right,all right, hey, but listen, but
we have some students, dog.
We have some students who are soconnected into the community I
mean unbelievably connected,right.
They come in, get a graduatedegree and then they, you know,
they get licensed and honestly,they have so much skills, dog,
we have this student named Dawnwho graduated I don't know what
(25:00):
number of PhDs she's on now, butshe's so connected in the
community Already, just there,you know what I mean Just like
already there, right, right, andit's almost like we had to
catch up, you know, right.
And so she's going through theprocess, dog, she's had a
business.
She's going through the process, dog, she's had a business,
she's been in the military.
All of a sudden get hergraduate degree and she's ready
(25:20):
to get out there.
And it's like we have people whowould be like you would make a
good supervisor for this person.
You know, you have the training, you have all of this stuff.
But then you got to wait.
You know, yeah, you got to waitand there's so many levels to
this.
How many supervisors out thereare trans, how many supervisors
(25:42):
out there are people of color?
How many supervisors out thereare on the spectrum?
You know what I mean it's like.
It's like, doc, when you have,when you have these demographics
of people who are highlyskilled, trained, are ready,
ready to go, graphics of peoplewho are highly skilled, trained,
already ready to go, thereneeds to be some type of system
for them to be able to at leastpetition to the board, get a
(26:04):
letter of support from people,have a review, Something you
know, so you're not just sittinghere wasting people's time.
You know Five years, that'skindergarten.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, kids inkindergarten.
You know like, yeah, I'm, I'm,I'm.
(26:25):
Look, the daddy not fussing.
I don't know, daddy, it soundslike you're fussing.
It sounds like somebody can saylike y'all, don, y'all, don't
have a single product.
Dog, you know what?
Dog, you can go and get theaccredited supervision,
accredited clinical supervisor,yeah, the ACS or something.
Yeah, yeah, you can go and doit.
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You got to go through a processfor that.
It's great.
Dog, go do that.
After two years, sit down withthe 40-hour training and get
that ass, that ass man, andstart working with these people
in the community, like whatwe're doing, bro, yeah, half a
decade.
Oh my gosh man, it makes sense,bro, it makes sense, it's just,
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it's just dumb, it's not?
I don't.
I do not see the reason, therationale for a board member to
look at this and go, huh, yeah,yeah, like I'm not the smartest
person in the room, I guaranteeyou Somebody had to go.
Are we sure?
Fine, we show up.
I thought, okay, I mean,somebody in Louisiana said, yeah
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, like, hey, we don't, we don't,we don't need five, I think,
for is like two or three orsomething you know, and then
even that, even that it's likethat, all right.
So, yeah, sure, two or three.
But also, like you know, let'stake a.
Let's look at like a case bycase example here.
You know like, all right, youwant to be a supervisor.
What's your educationalbackground?
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All right, you got a phd inconsulate and supervision, okay,
what classes did you take?
Oh, you took advancedsupervision.
You took, you know, doctoralpracticum.
Oh you, oh, you took, like, thedoctoral supervision course.
Oh, you took a supervisioncourse, in your master's degree,
exactly, and you were, and youwere supervised, doing your
clinical licensure hours.
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Okay, how many, how many hoursof supervision did you have in
graduate school?
Exactly, right, and okay.
So, because of your PhD, nowyou're like director of the
clinic over there and you andyou, you have supervisees
underneath your belt.
You're proving my point.
And you've been, you've beensupervising for four years.
Okay, what are we making you?
That's what I just said.
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What do we make you leave fortwo years?
You know, that's what I'msaying.
For two years, that's exactly.
But honestly, two years I couldget.
No, no, no, I'm saying what I'msaying is two years.
If you have all that stuff, allthe education, all the
experience, all that stuff, whyare you waiting?
We actually need really good,competent supervisors.
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Get out there and supervise.
Now, listen, if you're a master, no, let you're a.
No juice, let me talk to you.
Let me talk to you because,listen, get it out, man, get it.
You got a lot to say.
I know you've been repressed fora while.
You know you've been.
You've been telling me like youknow you hadn't felt, like you
had a voice at home.
You know, uh, yeah, man, you'vebeen telling me.
You know you've been kind ofshut down, shut out out and
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ignored.
Wow, yeah, yeah, go ahead, man,let it out.
I know this is your time toshine.
Go ahead.
Nah, dog, but you've seensupervisors out there and how
they hurt that baby?
Tell me how they hurt that baby.
Tell me what the board did tohurt you.
You've seen supervisors outthere, bro, bro.
Yeah, supervisors out there,bruh Bruh, yeah, julius, julius,
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I'm here, I'm present.
Julius man, I'm present, I'mhere, I'm right here.
Hey man, hey Bruh, what are youtalking about, man?
The people that graduate fromthese master's programs are
highly ethical.
They are extremelyknowledgeable and they are
humble enough to know wheretheir mistakes are.
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I don't know what you're talkingabout.
I hear stories about greatclinicians.
Anybody who gets a degree inclinical mental health
counseling is a great personwith morals and scruples.
So I don't know what you'retalking about too.
But I'm not trying to sound andI hope the listeners you know
I'm not trying to sound like I'mup here and they're down there
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or that.
You know, I'm not trying to saythat at all.
Typically, that's what youtypically say, but in this
instance that's not what you'retrying to say, that at all, but
I'm trying to say, typically,that's what you typically say,
but in this instance, that's notwhat you're trying to say.
You are, I know you not talking.
Yeah, you, I know you nottalking.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, man, uh-huh, man, yeah, uh-huh.
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People have described you as asage on a mountaintop, you
remember?
Yeah, yeah, I remember thatthat professor was.
She was something else,something else, man, anyway,
anyway, anyway, anyway, I hopeshe's listening to this podcast
because we made it despite you.
No, I'm joking, I'm joking, weactually don't think about you
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at all.
Oh, man, anyway, anyway, so, so, yeah, so.
So, I'm not trying to sound, youknow, like anything, but I
think everybody would agree.
You know, and we've said thisbefore, then like, like, not
every therapist make a goodsupervisor.
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We said that.
But, dog, it feels like it'slike gangsta out there, like
today.
Today, dog, you hear storiesall the time, dog, about
clinical supervisors doing someoff the wall stuff, like you
talked about earlier.
Man with that, with that dude,just like he's perfectly logical
dog, we got people over herestarting dating websites.
(31:53):
We got people, but it's it's,it's nuts over here.
Man, it's not, though.
We have students that we, thatwe accept into our program.
Who would be better supervisorson day one than some of the
people on their license rightnow?
That's why you need five years,dude.
That's why you need five years,man.
I just listen, listen, dog.
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No, what I'm saying is the fiveyears is arbitrary because it
don't matter.
I don't know what they think isgoing to magically happen.
Yeah, that person who's makingthis supervisee sell the
t-shirts is always going to bethat person.
You know, there has to be abetter way, bro.
There has to be a better way tokeep supervision.
(32:36):
We should do it to where, like,a supervisor is under
supervision, you know, like youhave a six month supervision
period where, like, you'resupervised, given supervision,
you go there once a week at nocost.
It's free, no cost.
The supervisors who supervisethe supervisors are paid by the
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board, paid by the board.
Nah, I don't want no unionsituation.
Nah, man, I'm talking fullboard.
I'm talking full boardpossibility of treat us right,
treat us right, give us what wewant.
I'm for full board Possibilityof treat us right, treat us
right, give us what we want.
I'm for the people, dude, I'mfor the people.
Power to the people.
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Now I think there has to besomething like the NCE, but for
supervision.
But even that, even that,because there's some, there are
some therapists who pass the nte, go out there and ruin people's
lives, man, like there's justthere, has to be, there has to
be something.
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But then again, man, I don'tknow, man, I don't think there's
a real answer to this.
Man, I really don't thinkthere's a real answer to this,
because and here's the reasonwhy I'm in because you know, you
can give somebody two yearswith a master's degree and they
can get their license and theycan go out there and be a
supervisor and they can stillcompletely screw it up, for sure
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.
You give somebody five years,they go out there and completely
screw it up.
You give somebody five yearsand they have a doctorate and
they have supervision experience, they have all this stuff going
on and they still screw it up.
And I probably will, I probablywill screw it up, yeah, but I'm
not talking about, I'm nottalking about messing up.
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I'm not talking about messingup.
Yeah, you're talking abouthurting people.
I'm talking about her, I'mtalking about the personality
types out there.
You know, did you remember wewent into our PhD program?
Remember that dude who said, ofthe PhD program we were all
going around a table and it'slike well, we're inspired to get
the PhD.
And everybody's like you knowthe world, I want to save the
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world.
I think my research can changethe world and everybody's
research is going to change theworld.
Man, and you get to this oneperson.
He's like um, you know, um, Ijust want to be called doctor.
I just want all the girls whobroke up with me to have to look
at me and call me doctor.
And I'm looking at him like Idon't remember that.
Oh, because you were doing theinterview, you weren't there.
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Yeah, yeah, you had already gotthe job and abandoned me.
Yeah, I remember, okay, no,because we had agreed.
We said like we're gonna do ourphds together and we're gonna
stick it through, then supporteach other through it.
And like the definition ofabandonment, the very second you
got a chance, he was like peace.
(35:25):
And I still don't know, bro, Idon't know why.
I still don't know why youtrust me like I, I don't know,
in the, in the heat of thebattle, I will fail you.
No, in the heat of the battle.
No, jesus is the kind of personthat's like you're walking with
them, like side by side, youknow, and then all of a sudden
you don't feel a presence nextto you.
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Yeah, you know, because hestarted walking back to the car
because he didn't want to comeanyway.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, he don'ttell you anything, he just let
you walk in the door.
Yeah, no, I'm no, I'm the.
I'm the type of person who willgo through a doctoral program
with you and then at the lastday, be like, all right, we'll
keep in touch, and I'm like no,we won't, we won't, you won't.
No, you put an answer textmessage right now, we won't, we
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won't, you won't.
No, we won't.
You put an unanswered textmessage right now, we won't keep
in touch, anyway.
Anyway, I have a life to getback to.
This is a detour from my life.
That's what I'm talking about,dog, not the people that make
the mistakes.
I'm talking about the peoplethat's just like brr, can't get
(36:31):
right, can't get right.
Yeah, you know, like, yeah,like dog, because you, you, just
, you just hear these stories,man, so often.
And I'm not saying it's theboard's responsibility, you know
, I'm just saying why I gottawait five years.
All right, you know I'm a goodperson, man.
Man, all right, all right, canwe?
Can we talk about groups?
Because I don't know how long Ihave before you probably double
booked me with somebody else.
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No, I do actually have to gopretty soon, man.
Yeah, because I hear the kidscrying in the background.
You know you try to take thisstuff seriously, you know, like
you try to like I don't know man, put some energy and some
effort into it and you keepcutting my legs out from under
me.
You know, like I'm trying totake this podcast seriously, but
(37:12):
seriously, seriously though.
Yeah, after that conversationwith the group I had, I was like
I mean, we should probably, youknow, and I think the list, I
think we're getting more andmore listeners and, like you
know stuff like that.
So, I know you don't like thelisteners, you know, but, yeah,
(37:37):
the listeners, you know, but I,yeah, I'm not particularly fond
of anyone in particular.
Um, yeah, except for a few.
I mean nicky's one of them.
You know, like angela, I cangive or take, you know I can.
Of course I can give or take.
Yep, yep, yep, give or take.
Yeah, yep, cute kids.
But I think I can do without.
I can, I can do without herattitude.
Sometimes I think she wouldfeel the same about you.
Yeah, yeah, oh, she just textedme.
She said tell Jesus to mind hisbusiness.
I don't know what that's about,but, yeah, all right, yeah, so
(38:00):
I don't know.
Anyway, man, wait, wait.
So that guy said what?
Yeah, dog, we were sittingaround you know, know, all of
the doc students, I think he wasa new cohort member, you know,
I don't even remember his name,man, and so you know how it is
member into a doctor.
Yeah, we were like, we were likethird years, you know, and he,
(38:20):
I think he was like a first yearor something, and you know, it
was like the fall semesterstarts, you know, or whenever
you left, right, yeah, okay, andI left, like last semester.
We had one more semester leftand I left.
It wasn't the last semester,man, it was.
It was like no, you left inoctober, you left, I left in
november.
I left november like 31st inour last year.
(38:42):
I had to, I had to defend mydissertation in the spring and
we graduated in the spring, so Iwas only going for one semester
.
Oh, okay, it felt like, it feltlike longer.
I guess it was the freedom nothaving you yoked around me.
Um, just felt like, felt likelonger, um, but yeah, yeah, yeah
, so, anyway, so, yeah, we wentfor some dinner, dog, and we
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were all going around andeverybody was like you know what
made you want to get a phd,like I said, and dog, and I
don't know where, dog, I thinkhe had just experienced a
breakup.
You know, like he justexperienced a breakup and I
don't even know that he evenwanted the phd.
A matter of fact, I don't eventhink he finished, I don't know.
Yeah, but yeah, but he'ssitting next to me and yeah, but
(39:28):
it was like he said something.
Like you know, I justexperienced a breakup and you
know, and this is like the thirdperson who's broken up with me,
you know, like red flag, youknow, and he was like and so I'm
getting this phd because I wantall the girls, whoever did
something wrong to me, whoeverwrong me, broke up me, to have
(39:49):
to look at me and call me doctorInstantly.
It was like he ain't gonna makeit.
It's not that he ain't, hecannot make it.
Somebody's gotta do something.
Somebody, please, please can'tkeep him, but, knowing the
program, your boy, he's probablyon his way to tenure right now.
(40:12):
Oh, you know, just just hurtingsupervisees left and right.
You hate to hate to see it, manto see, you hate to see it.
But I feel like that story isall too common.
You know, this is all too.
Oh, yeah, you mean like in, youmean in, like higher ed, or you
mean just like in life, thehigher, higher ed, higher ed and
counseling in general.
Yeah, I think sometimes peopleassume that, like counselors,
(40:33):
are these like altruistic, youknow people, you know, or, or or
they do the opposite and saylike, oh, therapists are the
people.
That's most broken, you know.
Yeah, that's not the case atall, dog, not like most, most
there.
Most therapists are really goodat puzzles, right, like most
therapists are able to thecomprehensive skills and the
(40:57):
therapist is really high.
You're able to read a book andpick apart, you know the process
.
You're able to watch a movieand pick apart the processes.
You know that's.
You know what I mean.
Now, every now and then you doget somebody in there that's in
it because they got their ownstuff.
Yeah, and I'm not saying thatthey shouldn't be therapists,
I'm saying that like doc, howare we, how are we keeping
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therapists who are more likelyto hurt people out of the field
and then how do we keep themfrom being supervisors.
You know, yeah, you know what Imean.
You know what happens.
Those are the people that go inin their programs and be quiet,
you know, slink through, yeah,you know, yeah, but I think it's
(41:43):
even harder for like a consumer, so like a client, to see, to
see what type of therapist theyhave, you know, to like become
aware of, like, oh, this, thisperson has their own stuff that
they're bringing into session.
This isn't like the typical,this isn't how my experience
should be, should you know, thisisn't how my experience should
(42:06):
be.
But really it's because, likethose types of people, you know
and I'm not saying that they'reterrible people, I'm just saying
it's a personality type, youknow, yeah, like they're really
good at hiding out, really goodat making you feel cared and
loved for.
You know, I'm not sayingnarcissistic, I'm not saying
that, you know, but they're justvery charming.
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Hey, but, man, I got somethinghot that I want to tell you
Because, like before, when wefirst did this podcast in this
morning, I only saw like maybeone client.
Right now I'm like four clientsdeep Right.
But I know you got, I know yougot to go to the kids.
I got to go.
I got to go.
Hey, man, let's try to.
Let's try to do it again thisweek, man, like on a Thursday or
(42:51):
something.
Man, I got something real hotman, you know what?
Let me say this real quick no,man, no, no, don't do that, jay,
no, no.
Let me say this real quick.
Let me say this real quick no,I want to pop off, but no, no,
no.
Let me just say this and getoff.
No, no.
Listen, if you're listening tothis cast, turn it off now.
(43:14):
Do not let him, do not let himget his time, don't let him get
it.
As a matter of fact, I'm aboutto stop recording.
Y'all not even going to get noclose-up music for this one.
We're going dead air, baby, hey, but real quick, real quick.
Turn the on, turn the on, airlight off.
We're going dead air, realquick, hey, bro.
(43:36):
And this is gonna be for likehey, yeah, hey, but for, but for
real, for real.
You know why, dog, you know, Iplay basketball when I don't see
the clubhouse is because itdoesn't matter if I set up a tee
time and I paid beforehand.
It don't matter if I walk inwith the tee time and I pay.
I feel like I'm not supposed tobe there, always, always.
(44:01):
I feel like I'm getting awaywith something.
You know, like they let me outhere.
I can't believe they let me outhere.
It's not that whole three.
It's not that whole three whereI'm like, you know, like they
let me out here, I can't believethey let me out here.
Yeah, it's not that whole three.
It's not that whole three whereI'm like, alright, nobody
stopped me, nobody call the cops.
You know like I'm gonna keepplaying, you know, you know what
(44:22):
I mean.
I'm a single digit handicap.
I'm not.
I'm just saying you didn't haveto throw it out there like that
I have to, because it's notlike that I have to, because
it's not like I don't play golf.
I play golf all the time, allthe time.
Come on, man, just tell themyou play with the game
improvement clubs.
Come on, man, just tell themyou play with them big back,
(44:47):
hammer, sledgehammers.
A big back, the big back,hammer, a big back.
You got a size, size 12 Club Ican.
Yeah, we call.
Yeah, we call them the elephantears.
Yeah, nah, bro, don't do likethat.
Yeah, we call them the clownshoes.
Nah, bro, you know, I play withthem butter knives.
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Nah, bro, don't do like that.
Yeah, we clawing them the clownshoes.
Nah, bro, nah, bro, you.
Yeah, you know I play with thembutter knives, bro.
Okay, you know I play with themblades.
Come on, bro, come on man.
620 MVs.
Come on, man.
I heard you could flip the clubupside down and still hit it
down a few.
Nah, bro, don't don Gameimprovement all the way.
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Nah see, that's why I don'teven See you out there playing
with them hockey sticks.
That's why I don't even keepcoming here.
I'm talking about lacrossesticks.
You got an aluminum Tennisracket out there.
I didn't know they allowedCorked clubs out there.
You pick it up and throw itdown the fairway.
I'm a single digit handicap.
Okay, wow, you play with me.
Pick it up and throw it downthe fairway tunnel.
(45:51):
I'm a single digit handicap,okay, wow, but you play with me.
You know you play with me.
Yeah, all right.
Yeah, man, all right, let melet you go.
I'm out there with remotecontrol golf balls.
Man, you got magnets in thehole.
Y'all Check his golf balls, allright?
(46:12):
All right, let me all right.
Let me let me you.
Hey, welcome, welcome to the cast, man, welcome back
to the Twin Therapist Podcast.
It's been a while since we'vebeen here.
Actually, it's been one weekexactly since we've done this.
Yeah, like we've been a monthaway.
It's only been seven days.
It's been a while, man, I misssome of y'all, not all of y'all,
yeah, not all of y'all, butsome of y'all.
I miss some of y'allspecifically.
(00:36):
Anyway, man, stop hating on thelisteners.
Man, you always do that.
Man, you always take us, dothis hateful rigmarole with the
listeners Like you don't reallylike him, you know.
Let me be honest, listeners, ifI could just be honest for a
second.
Like, when we get off, all Ihear from Jude is he calls me
and he's like, he's like Dr Jude, austin brother, dearest,
(00:56):
dearest brother, eldest, eldestbrother, I come with you seeking
wisdom.
Do you think they like me?
I come with you seeking wisdom.
Do you think they like me?
Have I earned their love?
The perpetual question that I'vebeen asking you since the 90s
is did I do it right?
(01:18):
Did I do enough?
Did I do enough?
It's been a theme, anyway, man,hey, let's talk about groups.
Man, wait, wait, wait, wait,wait, wait, wait.
Man, what?
Listen, we're going to get togroups.
But there's been some changes,man.
There's been some changes.
The last time I saw you, you wasjust a measly old LPC, lmft,
(01:42):
and now you're in your moreevolved form.
Oh yeah, I'm in my supervisionera.
Yeah, they tricked you intogetting a supervision license.
Yeah, hey, dog like dog, why isit so hard, dog, I have, I have
a graduate degree in counseling.
I have taken a supervisionclass in graduate school, went
(02:04):
off, got a PhD in supervisionand still had to wait.
We still don't trust you, doc,still had to wait five years in
Texas to get an LPCS.
No, no, no, we still don'ttrust you.
And the LMFTS?
No, no, we still don't trustyou.
I'm serious, I'm serious, jus,daddy not fussing, I'm serious,
(02:24):
I'm serious.
Jesus Daddy, not fussing, I'mserious.
Hey, for the listeners out here, man, our dad used to say that
and then proceed to fuss at us.
But you know why he said that,though, dog?
Because any time he wouldslightly raise his voice, we
would break out into tears.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, hystericaltears.
And so he had to prefaceeverything you said with Daddy
not fussing, daddy not fussing,not fussing, not fussing.
(02:47):
But then he would but listen ify'all touch the Georgia buggy
again.
I'm beating asses, I'm notfussing.
I'm not fussing.
But if you touch it again,anyway, man.
But seriously, like just thisarbitrary five years.
Like, look, look, you know what.
You know what it is, gia, it'sa hindrance to commerce.
(03:09):
That's what it is.
Wow, that's what it is, man,you've been sitting too much
board meetings.
Is this what happens when youbecome an administrator?
You start talking about ahindrance to commerce.
What are you talking about?
No, but seriously, seriously,doug, you know how many people
need good supervisor.
I'm not saying I'm a goodsupervisor, I'm probably,
probably pretty good.
What's the name, what's the nameof your private practice?
(03:31):
Pretty good, pretty goodcounseling and consulting.
Yeah, how about your boy?
Yeah, yeah, I don't have anemail account per se, but like,
that's the, that's the name ofthe company.
Yeah, and I offer pretty goodservices.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's our,that of the company, and I offer
pretty good services.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's ourcatchphrase.
We offer pretty good services,pretty good services, man,
(03:51):
pretty good services.
But anyway, dog, this is justarbitrary five years until you
can advance your licensure.
It's like, is there anyliterature behind that?
Is there any?
You know, it's just if, anyway,yeah, anyway, yeah, anyway,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
But hey, man, you shifted, I'mdone, shift I'm done.
Now the thing is that, like youshould have shifted a while ago
(04:13):
, you just decided not to.
No, no, seriously, I had towait five years.
Wow, yeah, yeah, I was fullylicensed, practicing and
everything you know before,before this moved to texas.
See for me, you get yourlicense shift over and you gotta
wait five years.
For me it's different.
I think I think in louisianait's like three years.
I want to say where you'repracticing, that's how much it
(04:35):
is for the lmft.
That's why I was able to dothem kind of at the same time or
at the same time, not kind ofat the same time.
But yeah, I, I just in, I justin one taxi.
See, you shifted, you shiftedStates.
I've been in Louisiana for awhile and I've been practicing
for a while.
I just didn't want to be asupervisor, I just did not want
the headache, you know.
And now it's crazy.
(04:55):
It's just a point in my careerwhere I'm like, okay, all right,
all right, all right, all right, I'll do it.
You, I mean, I love clients, Ilove seeing clients, dog, but
it's something about supervising.
It's just like you know it'sjust fun.
Yeah, the income is a lotbetter and I like taking money
from the consistent studentsthat I know need to pay me for
their services.
I mean, I love educating andbeing present with the next
(05:17):
generation of therapists.
And also it's the power.
Yeah, that's what it is.
It's the absolute power ofanother person's future.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, you know Like I can holdthem back.
Yeah, you know I may just likenot count hours.
Yeah, you know why not.
Uh-huh, you know you know what,just like.
(05:38):
Oh, yeah, all that work you didin September.
Nah, I may just ghost some ofmy supervisees.
Why not Just ghost them?
Doug, you know what?
This is probably why you got towait five years, because they
know they got some crazysupervisors out there.
Dog, I had one of them, crazysupervisors.
(05:58):
I had one, that's just like youknow I had one.
No, I don't count direct hoursunless you hold eye contact with
the client for an hour.
Yeah, the minute you break eyecontact, it becomes an indirect
man.
I had a student.
I had a student.
I had a student whosesupervisor wouldn't count her
direct client contact hoursbecause she didn't go and sell
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his merchandise at his eventsdoing like church things or like
other like, uh, counselingevents.
Like she wasn't at the boothselling.
It's like therapy is enrichingshirts or whatever.
Whatever it was.
Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, wouldn'tsell a shirt.
So she, he wouldn't count anhour.
She, he wouldn't count an hour.
She could not.
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She could not graduate frominternship one to internship two
.
Wow, that's diabolical man.
Wow, yeah, man, yes, yeah.
That's one of the reasons why Ididn't want to do supervisor.
But how do people sleep atnight with that, bro?
You can't tell me.
You lay your head on yourpillow and you go.
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Yeah, I did a good thing today.
No, man, listen, I don't want tomake it about that particular
supervisor, but, like I talkwith him, I'm saying let me have
a talk with him because I'mpretty protective of my students
and this dude had the perfectlylogical responses to something
that was completely illogical.
I was befuddled.
That's how he goes to sleep atnight because, like to him, to
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that logic checks out, the logicchecks out, the light checks
out.
That's how he goes to sleep atnight because, like to him, to
that logic checks out, the logicchecks out, the light checks
out.
That's why I was like I don'tfeel like dealing with the
supervisee and a supervisor, acorrupt system in whatever you
know backwater private practice,this, you know supervisees
trying to get their clinicallicensure hours at uh, you know,
I'm not trying to.
You know, get a supervisee fromshack bay, louisiana, who's
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doing they, they supervisionhours and bayou blue and got
some type of random asssupervisor.
Nah, man, I'm not trying to.
Yeah, back water counselingactually sounds like a pretty
good, it's a pretty good name,man, it's a pretty good name.
Yeah, anyway, anyway, anyway,anyway, so, yeah, yeah, so that,
yeah, that supervisor I got I'mbegrudgingly filling out the
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paperwork to be in a lpcs inlouisiana.
I'm like 10 years late on that.
I'm so late to where, like, Ihad to retake the supervision
course because my, my, mydoctoral supervision class
lapsed.
That's how long I, that's howlong ago I should have been a
supervisor.
It's terrible, yeah, it'shorrible.
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It's horrible, it's horrible.
But that and and man, I, I cutmy hair.
I don't know if you can, Idon't know if you can see that.
I do see that man, not all off,but yeah, no, not all off, but
just shorter.
You know, just sure, yeah, andI wouldn't.
I, I can sense the weaknessfrom you since you got the cut.
I don't know, man, I feelrevived.
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What I cut off was I cut off allof wyoming and, uh and the tail
bit of that horrible supervisorthat I had for like the first
year of supervision.
Yeah, yeah, that's how you seeit.
You see your hair as beingsteeped in experiences, steeped
in experiences, and I cut thatexperience off of my person.
Yeah, okay, I cut thatexperience off of my person From
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like I cut off from like 2013to around 2019.
Yeah, I cut all that off.
Yeah, I cut it and you feltthat.
You felt that.
Yeah, I cut all that off andyou felt that I cut.
Yeah, this is pandemic.
This is pandemic locks.
This is right when I said youknow what, let me start this
private practice and put the mehin mental health.
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You know, in my community,that's a good name too.
Let me go ahead and do my thingthe meh.
Maybe that's a good name too.
I mean, let me go ahead and domy thing the meh, the meh.
Yeah, maybe that's another castman, but yeah, I feel lighter,
man, I definitely feel lighter.
Yeah, it's a huge jump.
So I'm gonna do some otherstuff, too, before I start my,
my new position, but uh, butyeah, man.
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So congratulations, man.
Anyway.
Hey, any new stuff happeningwith the boys, anything going on
at the house?
We starting flag football?
Nah, man, can't learn how toswim.
Did you do it the way that wewere taught?
They just threw us into theGulf of Mexico and said make it
back home.
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Nah, man, that was part of ourtraining.
They gave us a Pop-Tart in aZiploc bag and said make it back
home.
We got a good friend, kyle, whoI mean dog he is like an
amazing swim teacher.
Every time you talk about Kyleit's always in the context of
like yeah, kyle built a housewith his bare hands.
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Kyle built a tunnel from Belton, texas, to San Jacinto.
Yeah, he once rigged up a bunchof those chargeable like Black
Decker batteries to a kid'sfour-wheeler.
I did that.
I mean, I think that thingcatches 35 miles per hour.
(11:02):
Listen, man, I did that toCairo.
I did that to Cairo's pyrowheel back when we was living in
Gonzales, louisiana.
It had so much torque to whereI had to put bike tires on the
back wheels so that it wouldn'tspin out.
Get that ging.
That whiplash man.
Oh man bro, but yeah anyway.
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So he learned how to swim anddog just took to it like a fish
man, like you know, he's justready, like a lot of those
things.
Dog, with Keon happens likethat man where you know he like
that's how you learn how to ridea bike.
It just kind of happened likeperfectly, like right outside of
his zone of proximaldevelopment.
(11:46):
You know, wow, just like rightthere.
Wow, just right there,somebody's teaching lifespan,
somebody's teaching lifespan.
You know, Just right there, dog, like right when he was ready,
somebody's steeped into lifespan.
You know, yeah, he just pickedit up.
And it's the same thing withswimming.
It's like he was like rightthere, you know, he had his
floaty on, but he didn't reallyneed to floaty, you know.
And so, yeah, man kyle took himback there in the swimming pool
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and the neighbor swimming poolman.
So he's like a legit swimteacher.
I don't know if he's licensedper se kyle doesn't need to be
licensed for anything but he'staught several people how to
swim.
If you watched him do it youwould think, oh, he's got a
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class, like he's, he's taught acourse.
Yeah, he had a systematic way ofdoing it and seriously, it was
like praying at Keon diving inthe water picking up toys, like
swimming from side to side bythe end it took him, it only
took him like an hour.
Like saying from side to sideby the, it took him, it only
took him like an hour.
And at the end of the hour keenwas swimming back and forth
across the pool.
Man, like you know, doggy style.
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And then he back in the forestrokin stuff need to test.
Key in for for supplements, for, yeah, testing for some
creatine or some.
A hey, man, I'm trying to.
I'm trying to race, a'm tryingto raise some animals.
I'm trying to build someanimals, I'm trying to raise
some animals.
Man, all right.
Well, yeah, my oldest has doneall kinds of crazy stuff on his
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bike.
I mean, we're talking jumpingoff the sidewalks, jumping off
of ramps, all kinds of stuff.
Yeah, man, all kinds of stuff.
Not a single injury at all.
Man, yeah, but yeah, he wasriding in the front yard.
Not a single injury at all.
Man, yeah, but uh, yeah, he wasriding in the front yard, not
even riding.
He was walking his bike in thefront yard right and there's a
tree stump.
He walked into the tree stumpwith his front tire.
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The bike flew over his head, hefell forward and the back of the
bike hit him right on the topof the head and like kind of
like, like, not stab, but likekind of like gouged out,
punctured yeah, kind of likepunctured the top of his head
right.
So he's running into the housecrying man I mean crying right.
So we were like what happened?
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What happened?
He's like I hit my head, youknow.
So we were like, all right,dude, all right, sit down.
Yeah, we're getting nice back,whatever, I've been here before,
you know.
So all of a sudden, man, hestarts to like leak blood from
the top of his head.
Blood is like falling down fromhis by his ear, like behind his
ear, you know.
So then you know me being the,the calm general that I am.
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Yeah, just the stoic, stoicleader of my family went into
immediate panic mode.
Yeah, hysterics, histrionic,frantics.
Listen, man, people tell youthat, uh, like hysterics is, is
like not contagious, yeah, butyeah for sure, it was the whole
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house.
Yeah, my words exactly was oh,my god, cairo and cairo goes.
Oh, I'm gonna have to cut myhead off, they're gonna have to.
I'm going straight watch thevideo.
I just watched the video infull.
I'm going straight to brainsurgery.
Side note, note, side note,hold on side note.
So you know, I told your kidsabout Kyra's injury, right, doc?
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So we're watching Outdoor Boyson YouTube and you know how they
have those shorts, right, doc?
One of the shorts was of thisfull body transplant.
It was.
It was, doc, I know, it was a3D model of, like how you
transplant somebody's head ontoanother person's body.
Look, look, it was like itsounds, it sounds.
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We weren't watching it, it wasjust like.
You know, it was on the thing.
I was looking for the hot dog,boys dog.
So you know, and you know, theyjust they move, right, you
don't have to click on it sothey're moving and goes.
Is that what they had to do tocairo?
I was like, oh my gosh, no man,no, he just got, he got his, he
, he got his head glued full-on,full-on brain.
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This, this boy was like am I,am I gonna die?
So we get him into the sink, weall?
Right, man?
Megan's like we're gonna haveto wash your hair.
He's like no, no, not my hair.
So I'm looking at megan and atthis point I'm looking at her,
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she's looking at me and I'm likeare you gonna laugh because so
I'm like carol shut up and Idon't really talk to carl like
that, right.
So so I started running, gettingice, started, getting tired,
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was making his wife and his hairblah, blah, blah it.
Long story short, he goes tourgent care.
They like put it, they likeglued the thing shut.
You know it stopped bleeding,he's all fine, or whatever.
And he gets home and kyra goes.
He has an ice pack on his head.
He goes daddy, you was runningaround like mr crab, so he
showed me a video, why theyroast like that.
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He showed me a, he showed me avideo and he was like look,
daddy, this is how you wasrunning.
And he started like mocking merunning around.
No, I'm like you got the icepack that I got for you.
Wow, like you went to urgentcare with my insurance.
Wow, yeah bro, yeah, bro, theydo be roasting us man.
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The other day I was trying toget some food ready and Keon was
at the table, him and Valen.
And Valen was like daddy, go,come sit next to me.
I was like yeah, man, and keangoes.
Why are you taking so long?
It's like I'm just heating mystuff up.
He was like he always moves soslow, like when mommy says she's
gonna do something, she justdoes it, she just does it.
Here, when you say you're gonnado something, you gotta go to
the bathroom, you gotta go tothe thing, you gotta go check
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the mail.
When you and he was saying itin that voice I was like dog,
hold up, hold up, man, hold up,hold up, hold up, playboy, hold
up, playboy, hold on, hold on.
Forgot it was my side.
So what about it?
So, what about it?
So what if I do take that long?
You gonna make me, or you gonnamake me move faster.
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Thank you now, doc, can we, canwe talk about like, how, just
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like, how complicated sometimes,how needlessly complicated the
licensure process is.
Yeah, it's like, like withpaperwork, it's, it's ridiculous
, it really is.
It's, it really is, it'sfrustratingly ridiculous, like
it's.
It's different in every state.
Uh, that the, the websites areabsolute garbage, garbage,
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absolutely.
I mean, louisiana has one ofthe best websites that I've ever
been to.
I mean, honestly, texas justupdated theirs and it's pretty
nice.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, butI'm licensed in Virginia,
straight trash.
Yeah, it's like looking at aWord Excel spreadsheet trying to
figure out where links andstuff is.
You know what it's like.
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You know what it's like thewebsites are built by people who
aren't practicing.
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,yeah.
And I know that, like you know,the president of the board is a
colleague.
You know, like, I've taken someof his workshops and I'm
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talking about like, like inLouisiana.
You know, yeah, but I know thathe's not like meticulously
combing through the website, youknow, you know, and nor does he
have the time to listen toevery single complaint you know
about, like the website.
I'm like I just get you makingthe dots are here and the t's
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are there and the eyes, but butisn't it, isn't it okay?
So, so you get, you go to yourundergrad degree.
You, you take the nce or beforeyou even take the nc, you know,
you take the gre, you get intograduate school three years,
sometimes four, depending onyour timeline.
You go through supervisionhours, all of this stuff,
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especially if you had a K-CREPaccredited program.
You know.
A moment of silence for thosestudents not in an accredited
program who's right now thinkingthat they're going to get
licensed in a state.
Moment of silence for all themoney they just wasted.
Bruh, I'm telling you, man, atsome of these unaccredited
online universities, man, theytell students oh, you're going
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to be grandfathered in Moment ofsilence for the
un-grandfathered, right?
It's like if we get accredited,you may be grandfathered in,
depending on what the licensureboard says at the time we get
accredited, we don't actuallyknow.
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And if you graduate before weget accredited, good luck, good
luck, Good luck, good luck outthere, man.
Yeah, good luck, good luck,good luck out there, man.
Yeah, um, uh, anyway side noteyou go through all of this stuff
, right, you?
You get your degree.
You go through all of this stuff, man.
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And then you gotta navigatethis dumpster fire, yeah, maze
running situation, yeah, hey, doyou do?
You know, like, do you have aspecific class where you go over
?
You lay the land stuff.
Hey, listen, if you want to belicensed in Louisiana, let's
navigate the website together.
(22:27):
Let's go click by click, clickby click.
Exactly, you have screenshots,recordings and all of that stuff
.
Dog, hey, look, and even withthat, it's still like oh, I
didn't know I needed to submitthat form.
Yeah, oh, you need that, okay,even with that dog, it's still
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like.
You know, it's just not likeintuitive.
You know what I mean.
And again, I do not want to harpon this, but five years to get
a supervision license.
All right, bro, all right, goshBro.
When I emailed them and I waslike I have a PhD in cultural
education supervision.
I took a supervision course ingraduate school.
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I teach supervision, Isupervise, I have been
supervised, I'm licensed inanother state supervising in
that state.
Give me the s.
What did they say?
They said the laws do not allowus to give you s in less than
five years.
You could petition for a rulechange, but talk to me.
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The problem is that nobody'slooking at that and going five
years, I mean, I get it.
Look, if you just have agraduate degree, okay, five
years, you know.
But if you just have a master'sdegree, if you have a little
tiny baby, equal little master'sdegree, cool.
Yeah, you got to wait fiveyears because you're going to be
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out there and you got to getthe stank off you.
You got to purify yourself.
Get the stank off you.
You got to man.
You got to purify yourself inthe waters of ethical ambiguity.
Yeah, you got to lake ambiguous.
Yeah, man, the river ofimposter syndrome.
Yeah, man, the forest to fakeit.
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Till you make it the forest tofake it, you make it the forest
to fake it.
Yeah, five years, yeah, youknow, but then again, wait, wait
, wait, that's more.
We could use that.
So we could use that for moreman, the what?
The bayou of despair, what?
The salt lands of self-care,what else you got, g?
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Listen, all right, all right,all right, hey, but listen, but
we have some students, dog.
We have some students who are soconnected into the community I
mean unbelievably connected,right.
They come in, get a graduatedegree and then they, you know,
they get licensed and honestly,they have so much skills, dog,
we have this student named Dawnwho graduated I don't know what
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number of PhDs she's on now, butshe's so connected in the
community Already, just there,you know what I mean Just like
already there, right, right, andit's almost like we had to
catch up, you know, right.
And so she's going through theprocess, dog, she's had a
business.
She's going through the process, dog, she's had a business,
she's been in the military.
All of a sudden get hergraduate degree and she's ready
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to get out there.
And it's like we have people whowould be like you would make a
good supervisor for this person.
You know, you have the training, you have all of this stuff.
But then you got to wait.
You know, yeah, you got to waitand there's so many levels to
this.
How many supervisors out thereare trans, how many supervisors
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out there are people of color?
How many supervisors out thereare on the spectrum?
You know what I mean it's like.
It's like, doc, when you have,when you have these demographics
of people who are highlyskilled, trained, are ready,
ready to go, graphics of peoplewho are highly skilled, trained,
already ready to go, thereneeds to be some type of system
for them to be able to at leastpetition to the board, get a
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letter of support from people,have a review, Something you
know, so you're not just sittinghere wasting people's time.
You know Five years, that'skindergarten.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, kids inkindergarten.
You know like, yeah, I'm, I'm,I'm.
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Look, the daddy not fussing.
I don't know, daddy, it soundslike you're fussing.
It sounds like somebody can saylike y'all, don, y'all, don't
have a single product.
Dog, you know what?
Dog, you can go and get theaccredited supervision,
accredited clinical supervisor,yeah, the ACS or something.
Yeah, yeah, you can go and doit.
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You got to go through a processfor that.
It's great.
Dog, go do that.
After two years, sit down withthe 40-hour training and get
that ass, that ass man, andstart working with these people
in the community, like whatwe're doing, bro, yeah, half a
decade.
Oh my gosh man, it makes sense,bro, it makes sense, it's just,
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it's just dumb, it's not?
I don't.
I do not see the reason, therationale for a board member to
look at this and go, huh, yeah,yeah, like I'm not the smartest
person in the room, I guaranteeyou Somebody had to go.
Are we sure?
Fine, we show up.
I thought, okay, I mean,somebody in Louisiana said, yeah
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, like, hey, we don't, we don't,we don't need five, I think,
for is like two or three orsomething you know, and then
even that, even that it's likethat, all right.
So, yeah, sure, two or three.
But also, like you know, let'stake a.
Let's look at like a case bycase example here.
You know like, all right, youwant to be a supervisor.
What's your educationalbackground?
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All right, you got a phd inconsulate and supervision, okay,
what classes did you take?
Oh, you took advancedsupervision.
You took, you know, doctoralpracticum.
Oh you, oh, you took, like, thedoctoral supervision course.
Oh, you took a supervisioncourse, in your master's degree,
exactly, and you were, and youwere supervised, doing your
clinical licensure hours.
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Okay, how many, how many hoursof supervision did you have in
graduate school?
Exactly, right, and okay.
So, because of your PhD, nowyou're like director of the
clinic over there and you andyou, you have supervisees
underneath your belt.
You're proving my point.
And you've been, you've beensupervising for four years.
Okay, what are we making you?
That's what I just said.
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What do we make you leave fortwo years?
You know, that's what I'msaying.
For two years, that's exactly.
But honestly, two years I couldget.
No, no, no, I'm saying what I'msaying is two years.
If you have all that stuff, allthe education, all the
experience, all that stuff, whyare you waiting?
We actually need really good,competent supervisors.
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Get out there and supervise.
Now, listen, if you're a master, no, let you're a.
No juice, let me talk to you.
Let me talk to you because,listen, get it out, man, get it.
You got a lot to say.
I know you've been repressed fora while.
You know you've been.
You've been telling me like youknow you hadn't felt, like you
had a voice at home.
You know, uh, yeah, man, you'vebeen telling me.
You know you've been kind ofshut down, shut out out and
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ignored.
Wow, yeah, yeah, go ahead, man,let it out.
I know this is your time toshine.
Go ahead.
Nah, dog, but you've seensupervisors out there and how
they hurt that baby?
Tell me how they hurt that baby.
Tell me what the board did tohurt you.
You've seen supervisors outthere, bro, bro.
Yeah, supervisors out there,bruh Bruh, yeah, julius, julius,
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I'm here, I'm present.
Julius man, I'm present, I'mhere, I'm right here.
Hey man, hey Bruh, what are youtalking about, man?
The people that graduate fromthese master's programs are
highly ethical.
They are extremelyknowledgeable and they are
humble enough to know wheretheir mistakes are.
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I don't know what you're talkingabout.
I hear stories about greatclinicians.
Anybody who gets a degree inclinical mental health
counseling is a great personwith morals and scruples.
So I don't know what you'retalking about too.
But I'm not trying to sound andI hope the listeners you know
I'm not trying to sound like I'mup here and they're down there
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or that.
You know, I'm not trying to saythat at all.
Typically, that's what youtypically say, but in this
instance that's not what you'retrying to say, that at all, but
I'm trying to say, typically,that's what you typically say,
but in this instance, that's notwhat you're trying to say.
You are, I know you not talking.
Yeah, you, I know you nottalking.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, man, uh-huh, man, yeah, uh-huh.
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People have described you as asage on a mountaintop, you
remember?
Yeah, yeah, I remember thatthat professor was.
She was something else,something else, man, anyway,
anyway, anyway, anyway, I hopeshe's listening to this podcast
because we made it despite you.
No, I'm joking, I'm joking, weactually don't think about you
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at all.
Oh, man, anyway, anyway, so, so, yeah, so.
So, I'm not trying to sound, youknow, like anything, but I
think everybody would agree.
You know, and we've said thisbefore, then like, like, not
every therapist make a goodsupervisor.
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We said that.
But, dog, it feels like it'slike gangsta out there, like
today.
Today, dog, you hear storiesall the time, dog, about
clinical supervisors doing someoff the wall stuff, like you
talked about earlier.
Man with that, with that dude,just like he's perfectly logical
dog, we got people over herestarting dating websites.
(31:53):
We got people, but it's it's,it's nuts over here.
Man, it's not, though.
We have students that we, thatwe accept into our program.
Who would be better supervisorson day one than some of the
people on their license rightnow?
That's why you need five years,dude.
That's why you need five years,man.
I just listen, listen, dog.
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No, what I'm saying is the fiveyears is arbitrary because it
don't matter.
I don't know what they think isgoing to magically happen.
Yeah, that person who's makingthis supervisee sell the
t-shirts is always going to bethat person.
You know, there has to be abetter way, bro.
There has to be a better way tokeep supervision.
(32:36):
We should do it to where, like,a supervisor is under
supervision, you know, like youhave a six month supervision
period where, like, you'resupervised, given supervision,
you go there once a week at nocost.
It's free, no cost.
The supervisors who supervisethe supervisors are paid by the
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board, paid by the board.
Nah, I don't want no unionsituation.
Nah, man, I'm talking fullboard.
I'm talking full boardpossibility of treat us right,
treat us right, give us what wewant.
I'm for full board Possibilityof treat us right, treat us
right, give us what we want.
I'm for the people, dude, I'mfor the people.
Power to the people.
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Now I think there has to besomething like the NCE, but for
supervision.
But even that, even that,because there's some, there are
some therapists who pass the nte, go out there and ruin people's
lives, man, like there's justthere, has to be, there has to
be something.
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But then again, man, I don'tknow, man, I don't think there's
a real answer to this.
Man, I really don't thinkthere's a real answer to this,
because and here's the reasonwhy I'm in because you know, you
can give somebody two yearswith a master's degree and they
can get their license and theycan go out there and be a
supervisor and they can stillcompletely screw it up, for sure
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.
You give somebody five years,they go out there and completely
screw it up.
You give somebody five yearsand they have a doctorate and
they have supervision experience, they have all this stuff going
on and they still screw it up.
And I probably will, I probablywill screw it up, yeah, but I'm
not talking about, I'm nottalking about messing up.
(34:22):
I'm not talking about messingup.
Yeah, you're talking abouthurting people.
I'm talking about her, I'mtalking about the personality
types out there.
You know, did you remember wewent into our PhD program?
Remember that dude who said, ofthe PhD program we were all
going around a table and it'slike well, we're inspired to get
the PhD.
And everybody's like you knowthe world, I want to save the
(34:43):
world.
I think my research can changethe world and everybody's
research is going to change theworld.
Man, and you get to this oneperson.
He's like um, you know, um, Ijust want to be called doctor.
I just want all the girls whobroke up with me to have to look
at me and call me doctor.
And I'm looking at him like Idon't remember that.
Oh, because you were doing theinterview, you weren't there.
(35:05):
Yeah, yeah, you had already gotthe job and abandoned me.
Yeah, I remember, okay, no,because we had agreed.
We said like we're gonna do ourphds together and we're gonna
stick it through, then supporteach other through it.
And like the definition ofabandonment, the very second you
got a chance, he was like peace.
(35:25):
And I still don't know, bro, Idon't know why.
I still don't know why youtrust me like I, I don't know,
in the, in the heat of thebattle, I will fail you.
No, in the heat of the battle.
No, jesus is the kind of personthat's like you're walking with
them, like side by side, youknow, and then all of a sudden
you don't feel a presence nextto you.
(35:46):
Yeah, you know, because hestarted walking back to the car
because he didn't want to comeanyway.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, he don'ttell you anything, he just let
you walk in the door.
Yeah, no, I'm no, I'm the.
I'm the type of person who willgo through a doctoral program
with you and then at the lastday, be like, all right, we'll
keep in touch, and I'm like no,we won't, we won't, you won't.
No, you put an answer textmessage right now, we won't, we
(36:07):
won't, you won't.
No, we won't.
You put an unanswered textmessage right now, we won't keep
in touch, anyway.
Anyway, I have a life to getback to.
This is a detour from my life.
That's what I'm talking about,dog, not the people that make
the mistakes.
I'm talking about the peoplethat's just like brr, can't get
(36:31):
right, can't get right.
Yeah, you know, like, yeah,like dog, because you, you, just
, you just hear these stories,man, so often.
And I'm not saying it's theboard's responsibility, you know
, I'm just saying why I gottawait five years.
All right, you know I'm a goodperson, man.
Man, all right, all right, canwe?
Can we talk about groups?
Because I don't know how long Ihave before you probably double
booked me with somebody else.
(36:52):
No, I do actually have to gopretty soon, man.
Yeah, because I hear the kidscrying in the background.
You know you try to take thisstuff seriously, you know, like
you try to like I don't know man, put some energy and some
effort into it and you keepcutting my legs out from under
me.
You know, like I'm trying totake this podcast seriously, but
(37:12):
seriously, seriously though.
Yeah, after that conversationwith the group I had, I was like
I mean, we should probably, youknow, and I think the list, I
think we're getting more andmore listeners and, like you
know stuff like that.
So, I know you don't like thelisteners, you know, but, yeah,
(37:37):
the listeners, you know, but I,yeah, I'm not particularly fond
of anyone in particular.
Um, yeah, except for a few.
I mean nicky's one of them.
You know, like angela, I cangive or take, you know I can.
Of course I can give or take.
Yep, yep, yep, give or take.
Yeah, yep, cute kids.
But I think I can do without.
I can, I can do without herattitude.
Sometimes I think she wouldfeel the same about you.
Yeah, yeah, oh, she just textedme.
She said tell Jesus to mind hisbusiness.
I don't know what that's about,but, yeah, all right, yeah, so
(38:00):
I don't know.
Anyway, man, wait, wait.
So that guy said what?
Yeah, dog, we were sittingaround you know, know, all of
the doc students, I think he wasa new cohort member, you know,
I don't even remember his name,man, and so you know how it is
member into a doctor.
Yeah, we were like, we were likethird years, you know, and he,
(38:20):
I think he was like a first yearor something, and you know, it
was like the fall semesterstarts, you know, or whenever
you left, right, yeah, okay, andI left, like last semester.
We had one more semester leftand I left.
It wasn't the last semester,man, it was.
It was like no, you left inoctober, you left, I left in
november.
I left november like 31st inour last year.
(38:42):
I had to, I had to defend mydissertation in the spring and
we graduated in the spring, so Iwas only going for one semester
.
Oh, okay, it felt like, it feltlike longer.
I guess it was the freedom nothaving you yoked around me.
Um, just felt like, felt likelonger, um, but yeah, yeah, yeah
, so, anyway, so, yeah, we wentfor some dinner, dog, and we
(39:02):
were all going around andeverybody was like you know what
made you want to get a phd,like I said, and dog, and I
don't know where, dog, I thinkhe had just experienced a
breakup.
You know, like he justexperienced a breakup and I
don't even know that he evenwanted the phd.
A matter of fact, I don't eventhink he finished, I don't know.
Yeah, but yeah, but he'ssitting next to me and yeah, but
(39:28):
it was like he said something.
Like you know, I justexperienced a breakup and you
know, and this is like the thirdperson who's broken up with me,
you know, like red flag, youknow, and he was like and so I'm
getting this phd because I wantall the girls, whoever did
something wrong to me, whoeverwrong me, broke up me, to have
(39:49):
to look at me and call me doctorInstantly.
It was like he ain't gonna makeit.
It's not that he ain't, hecannot make it.
Somebody's gotta do something.
Somebody, please, please can'tkeep him, but, knowing the
program, your boy, he's probablyon his way to tenure right now.
(40:12):
Oh, you know, just just hurtingsupervisees left and right.
You hate to hate to see it, manto see, you hate to see it.
But I feel like that story isall too common.
You know, this is all too.
Oh, yeah, you mean like in, youmean in, like higher ed, or you
mean just like in life, thehigher, higher ed, higher ed and
counseling in general.
Yeah, I think sometimes peopleassume that, like counselors,
(40:33):
are these like altruistic, youknow people, you know, or, or or
they do the opposite and saylike, oh, therapists are the
people.
That's most broken, you know.
Yeah, that's not the case atall, dog, not like most, most
there.
Most therapists are really goodat puzzles, right, like most
therapists are able to thecomprehensive skills and the
(40:57):
therapist is really high.
You're able to read a book andpick apart, you know the process
.
You're able to watch a movieand pick apart the processes.
You know that's.
You know what I mean.
Now, every now and then you doget somebody in there that's in
it because they got their ownstuff.
Yeah, and I'm not saying thatthey shouldn't be therapists,
I'm saying that like doc, howare we, how are we keeping
(41:21):
therapists who are more likelyto hurt people out of the field
and then how do we keep themfrom being supervisors.
You know, yeah, you know what Imean.
You know what happens.
Those are the people that go inin their programs and be quiet,
you know, slink through, yeah,you know, yeah, but I think it's
(41:43):
even harder for like a consumer, so like a client, to see, to
see what type of therapist theyhave, you know, to like become
aware of, like, oh, this, thisperson has their own stuff that
they're bringing into session.
This isn't like the typical,this isn't how my experience
should be, should you know, thisisn't how my experience should
(42:06):
be.
But really it's because, likethose types of people, you know
and I'm not saying that they'reterrible people, I'm just saying
it's a personality type, youknow, yeah, like they're really
good at hiding out, really goodat making you feel cared and
loved for.
You know, I'm not sayingnarcissistic, I'm not saying
that, you know, but they're justvery charming.
(42:29):
Hey, but, man, I got somethinghot that I want to tell you
Because, like before, when wefirst did this podcast in this
morning, I only saw like maybeone client.
Right now I'm like four clientsdeep Right.
But I know you got, I know yougot to go to the kids.
I got to go.
I got to go.
Hey, man, let's try to.
Let's try to do it again thisweek, man, like on a Thursday or
(42:51):
something.
Man, I got something real hotman, you know what?
Let me say this real quick no,man, no, no, don't do that, jay,
no, no.
Let me say this real quick.
Let me say this real quick no,I want to pop off, but no, no,
no.
Let me just say this and getoff.
No, no.
Listen, if you're listening tothis cast, turn it off now.
(43:14):
Do not let him, do not let himget his time, don't let him get
it.
As a matter of fact, I'm aboutto stop recording.
Y'all not even going to get noclose-up music for this one.
We're going dead air, baby, hey, but real quick, real quick.
Turn the on, turn the on, airlight off.
We're going dead air, realquick, hey, bro.
(43:36):
And this is gonna be for likehey, yeah, hey, but for, but for
real, for real.
You know why, dog, you know, Iplay basketball when I don't see
the clubhouse is because itdoesn't matter if I set up a tee
time and I paid beforehand.
It don't matter if I walk inwith the tee time and I pay.
I feel like I'm not supposed tobe there, always, always.
(44:01):
I feel like I'm getting awaywith something.
You know, like they let me outhere.
I can't believe they let me outhere.
It's not that whole three.
It's not that whole three whereI'm like, you know, like they
let me out here, I can't believethey let me out here.
Yeah, it's not that whole three.
It's not that whole three whereI'm like, alright, nobody
stopped me, nobody call the cops.
You know like I'm gonna keepplaying, you know, you know what
(44:22):
I mean.
I'm a single digit handicap.
I'm not.
I'm just saying you didn't haveto throw it out there like that
I have to, because it's notlike that I have to, because
it's not like I don't play golf.
I play golf all the time, allthe time.
Come on, man, just tell themyou play with the game
improvement clubs.
Come on, man, just tell themyou play with them big back,
(44:47):
hammer, sledgehammers.
A big back, the big back,hammer, a big back.
You got a size, size 12 Club Ican.
Yeah, we call.
Yeah, we call them the elephantears.
Yeah, nah, bro, don't do likethat.
Yeah, we call them the clownshoes.
Nah, bro, you know, I play withthem butter knives.
(45:09):
Nah, bro, don't do like that.
Yeah, we clawing them the clownshoes.
Nah, bro, nah, bro, you.
Yeah, you know I play with thembutter knives, bro.
Okay, you know I play with themblades.
Come on, bro, come on man.
620 MVs.
Come on, man.
I heard you could flip the clubupside down and still hit it
down a few.
Nah, bro, don't don Gameimprovement all the way.
(45:31):
Nah see, that's why I don'teven See you out there playing
with them hockey sticks.
That's why I don't even keepcoming here.
I'm talking about lacrossesticks.
You got an aluminum Tennisracket out there.
I didn't know they allowedCorked clubs out there.
You pick it up and throw itdown the fairway.
I'm a single digit handicap.
Okay, wow, you play with me.
Pick it up and throw it downthe fairway tunnel.
(45:51):
I'm a single digit handicap,okay, wow, but you play with me.
You know you play with me.
Yeah, all right.
Yeah, man, all right, let melet you go.
I'm out there with remotecontrol golf balls.
Man, you got magnets in thehole.
Y'all Check his golf balls, allright?
(46:12):
All right, let me all right.
Let me let me you.
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