July 9, 2024 • 54 mins
We dive into the world of therapy, exploring the challenges therapists face with diverse client issues and the commercialization of therapy. We debate the fine line between psychotherapy and conversational support, pondering how to tailor care to match client needs. Finally, we propose a competitive "therapy bracket" system to rank therapists, drawing comparisons to sports rankings and suggesting this could drive professional growth. Wrapping up, we reflect on the precious "garbage time" with family, drawing insightful parallels to our therapist ranking proposal.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
hey, welcome back, welcome back to the cast.
Right now I'm uh, I'm lookingat my brother and he looks.
What's the Spanish word fortired Cacos?
Yeah, man, yeah, muy, muycansado.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, estoy muycansado, especialmente ahora
(00:40):
Porque mi clase muy terrible.
Terrible, terrible, terrible.
Sí¿ Por qué?
¿por qué Mi estudiante es muycansada también, te sabes, te
sabes, especialmente mi clase denoche.
Oh, de noche.
(01:01):
Sí, porque, ¿te sabes, ellostrabajan.
You don't want to just do thewhole cast in Espanol.
Sí, porque ellos estaban.
You don't want to just do thewhole cast in Espanol Sí,
probablemente.
But you see that, huh, I mean,I know, cis listening, check out
(01:21):
your boy.
I don't know if I saideverything correctly.
You probably didn't, you know.
I mean, you know, check outyour boy.
I don't know if I saideverything correctly, you
probably didn't.
Just a little bit, I mean, youknow, I had a little lesson
today, man.
I can tell you what.
Man.
It's so much easier to readSpanish than it is to speak
Spanish for me at this point.
Isn't that crazy dog?
(01:41):
Especially because you can'tread English?
I know, man, it gets to a pointto where, like nothing in life
makes sense.
You know, no, you know what itis, dog, it's probably.
It's probably because you'venever been able to read english.
You've only been able to readspanish, so like.
So you've probably failed allthe reading comprehensive stuff.
Not because you were stupid,you know, that's a little bit of
(02:03):
you couldn't read.
That's a little bit of youcouldn't read it.
There was a little bit of cuyóin there, though, a little bit
of A little bit.
Let's just break out all thelanguages, man.
A little bit of Spanish, alittle bit of French.
You know like, yeah, man, soanyway, man, all right, so we're
going to do a little breakdownand we're going to uh a little
(02:24):
time for discussion on whatevertopic, just like whatever's,
whatever's coming up for us, youknow, and then we're gonna do a
little checkout, where we'regonna check out, you know,
what's going on for the rest ofthe week and what's happening,
man, what you're looking forwardto in your career or with your
family or whatever.
So, essentially threecomponents, you know, yeah,
after those three components aredone, we may or may not show up
(02:44):
next week.
So, okay, listen, dog, can yoube quiet real quick, dog,
because I got.
I need some advice, dog.
All right now.
Is this the check-in portion orthe discussion portion.
I don't care, okay, you seethat we're off the rails.
Just I just stated what we weredoing.
Now let's check in, let's checkin.
This is what happened to metoday, dog.
(03:05):
No, this is what happened to meyesterday, dog Bruh, bruh,
juice, uh-huh, I'm here, present.
Uh-huh, bruh, I'm raising ananimal.
Oh, okay, raising an animal.
Pharaoh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right
.
So today, last night, right, weget this.
We're playing this game.
(03:27):
Oh, I got to tell you somethingtoo Hold on, hold on, dog.
So we're at these friends'house, dog, having a great time.
We just bought a new house.
It's amazing, dog.
Seriously, it's amazing.
Love it, dog.
Yep, good people, uh-huh, askhim if I can hold $20.
Because when you say build ahouse, you're too close, you're
too close to the issue.
Oh, okay, you're too close tothe issue.
(03:47):
All right, all right, so, so,so, so.
Keon, right, five years old,yeah, playing basketball with
the dad.
Great dude, I would trust himto raise my kids.
Right, great person Playing.
He's playing.
He's not letting keen score asyou should.
Yeah, right, now, you gottaearn it.
(04:08):
Yeah, right, not letting himscore right, right, so keen
comes to me.
Hey, just real quick, realquick.
There's so many parallels to mylife that you're talking about
right now.
So just go ahead, go ahead, goahead.
Not letting him score, sorry.
So keen comes he goes.
Uh, daddy, what should I do?
He's a little frustrated, alittle frustrated.
He's not frustrated, he'shaving fun.
All right, you know having fun,but you could tell he does have
a little glisten of sweat, theface is a little red.
(04:29):
Yeah, he wants to score.
So you know.
And they said and you know thebet was like if you score, I'll
give you a dollar.
Okay, yeah, you know why hewants a dollar.
He's money hungry, just like hisfather.
Nah, you know, he wants thatmoney, dog.
Okay, because he wants me tomake change for that dollar so
that when he gets his haircut hecan go and get candy from the
coin machines.
That candy from the coinmachine has been there since the
(04:52):
86 Olympics Bruh, bruh, bruh.
But he still wants thatraggedy-ass gumball Bruh.
Long story short, I tell Kian,tell him you're not going to
dunk it, you just want two shotsfrom the free-throw line,
double or nothing.
You get one shot, double ornothing, right, he goes to him.
Guy says absolutely, buckets,buckets.
(05:18):
Even in the heat of battle, hedon't miss $2.
$2.
Full heart, $2.
$2.
Right, $2.
Full heart, $2.
Right.
So we get to the house next day.
Yeah, next day.
And this is how I know he's hismom's kid and not my kid.
Okay, yeah, he's his mom's son.
(05:39):
Yeah, right, because I go, whatdo you want to get with your
dollar, with your $2?
And he's like I think I want toget a lightsaber.
I think I want to get alightsaber from Walmart, oh my
God.
And I think I want to get onefor me and one for my little
brother.
Okay, yeah.
And I was like okay, cool man.
So go ask mommy how much thelightsabers are.
As it comes, it's five dollars.
(06:01):
As it comes, it's $5.
Yeah, because, see, if he wasyour son, you would have got two
lightsabers and you'd have beatmy ass all the way down Royal
Street.
Oh yeah, I would have got theones that connected in the
middle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, no, aye,aye, oh, no, aye, aye, nah, nah,
I would have looked at you andI would have said run, run, yeah
(06:25):
, yeah, so, anyway, so, anywayMe from the other part it's $5
each.
So I was like okay, keegan, sohow much money is that he's like
it's $10 total.
Yeah, not in kindergarten,right?
Yeah, so I go.
Okay, man, so if you wanted toget two lightsabers and you have
(06:46):
$2, how much more dollars wouldyou need in order to get two
lightsabers?
As you pull your hand behindyour back so you can count on
your fingers to see how much,yeah, because I wasn't getting
word problems until I was inhigh school.
Right, right, right.
So he goes $8.
That's how much money I need?
Yeah, and I was like when didyou learn how to do math?
(07:07):
And he was like I don't know,somebody's got to feed this
family.
So I was like so how are yougoing to get eight dollars?
He was like I don't know, holdon for a second Until he walks
over, talks about it, comes backand he goes we want to do a
(07:28):
lemonade stand.
I was like all right, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
He did bath bombs and a businessplan in like 30 seconds.
I was like, because you knowwhat I would have done?
Yeah, you know what I wouldhave done.
I would have threw that dollarin the vending machine as fast
as possible, as fast as possible, as fast as possible.
(07:49):
I see, I didn't know if youwere asking me what you would
have done when you were Kenyan'sage, or what you would have
done For eight more dollars,because the Dr Austin In 2007,
for eight more dollars, wouldhave done some questionable
stuff.
Yeah, they probably still gotsome feet pictures of your old
(08:14):
knuckles on online somewhere for$7.57.
Yeah, I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm just saying listener, I'mjust saying he has a past.
That's all I'm done.
Yeah, I'm done.
Yeah, I'm done.
I'm just saying listener, I'mjust saying he has a past.
That's all I'm saying.
Let me have a testimony.
But I'm saying you ain't got toput it all out there.
I'm just saying I didn't knowwhich version of yourself.
(08:37):
You were asking me what youwould have did for some money.
Oh, jeez man, you're raising apure child man.
A pure child.
Wow, because my daughter wouldhave created a Ponzi scheme in
our neighborhood and got all ofthese elderly folk to try to buy
(09:00):
her DVD on how to do the Cupidshuffle.
I wouldn't have put it past himto be like.
But if I give a boy across thestreet a dollar to start his
lemonade stand, then he startedone and then every other dollar.
If I told him how to start thelemonade stand, I can create
(09:24):
this little course and I canjust sell my course to people
instead of actually, anyway, man.
So I was shocked today.
Wow, that's my story.
But anyway, I used that in aresearch class.
Okay, yeah, because that's thekind of professor I am.
The kind of professor I am.
(09:46):
Well, I know, I'm not trying tocompare our children, man, but
uh, we went to the sky zone theother day, uh, we, which is like
a little bouncy place, you know, with trampolines and all kinds
of stuff, and there's this hugeuh phone pit where you kind of
have to like get up.
It's super high, and you haveto hang off this bar and the
attendant kind of like, you know, put you in the bar and then
you swing and then you fall intothe pit, right, it's super high
.
And I'm like you know, cairo,listen, if you do it one time,
(10:09):
you're not going to be afraid todo it ever again.
Just do it one time, you know.
So he.
So he started to bargain, allright, like all right.
So instead of hanging off ofthe thing and jumping into the
phone pit, can I just sit at theedge and then jump in, right?
So he asked the attendant.
The attendant was like sure,dude, if you're scared, sit on
the edge and jump in.
He did that.
Right, did that.
(10:29):
He went up to the edge of thething he's about to jump in and
he looks at me.
He's like no, I don't want todo it.
I don't want to do it.
I don't want to five years old.
He goes oh, kairi is such a crybaby, just just jump in right.
And she proceeds to do a swandive off of this thing into the
(10:53):
foam pit right.
And I was like you see sidenote that's exactly who I want
taking care of me when I get old.
I don't want my sons to carefor me, I want her.
I want, because she's the typeof person to look at me dead in
the eyes and say, daddy, it'stime to pull the plug, time to
go.
It's time to pull the plug.
Listen, I love you, give meyour license.
I love you, give me yourlicense, time to go.
(11:15):
I got to tell all your clientsthat you cannot see them anymore
.
So anyway, man, can I have yourtruck?
So she does a swan dive right.
She climbs up the stairs next toher, kyra looks at me and I'm
looking at him like dude.
Listen, man, you know I'msomebody who's trying to raise,
somebody who's like emotionallyintelligent, you know, and I'm
not egotistical, but I'm alsolike don't let your
(11:37):
five-year-old sister show you up, dog.
Come on man.
Come on man.
It's not even a bar girl.
Come on, it's not even a bar,it's just like a sibling.
Come on, man, exactly as a unit, as a unit.
Come on, man, we need to comeon.
So he's sitting there, the edgeright, and robbie goes up behind
him.
Kyra looks at me, robbie.
(11:57):
Kyra looks at me.
He's like, okay, I don't wantto do it, daddy, like I'm scared
, you know.
So he looks at the phone pit,he looks down.
Robin looks back at me.
She gives a little smile and awink and I said, robie, before I
can even say the word, shepushed kyra off the ledge.
Wow, push him off the ledgeright now, now, now, so, so
(12:27):
Cairo falls.
Cairo falls down, right, no?
Immediately starts crying yeah,right.
I look at Roby and I say, roby,that was one of the meanest
things you can do and I'mholding back laughter.
Right, she's dying.
(12:48):
We're both looking at each otherlaughing and I was like robie,
when kyra gets up here, do notlaugh.
You have to say you're sorry,and he looks like he's about to
body slam right, so I grab him.
Robin, you have to say you'resorry.
She goes.
Kyra, I'm sorry, but youalready fell from this high, so
(13:09):
you might as well just jump nexttime.
You know what it's like fallingfrom this high.
It's not their argument, robyn.
That's not the point.
That's not the point.
The point is that you pushed meoff and I wasn't ready.
How dare you do something likethat to me?
I was scared, no man.
(13:38):
So now I'm looking at theattendant.
The attendant is looking at melike somebody with a dead soul
inside who has seen thisiteration of life play out a
thousand times.
She's looking at me like listen, man, it's just my job.
You want me to just throw allyour kids in the phone pit man,
man, let's go get some sex andget on board.
(13:58):
I bought it, man, like allthese people.
All these people didn't saw us.
All these people didn't saw usfight, bicker and cry.
Come on, man, let people.
All these people didn't saw us.
All these people didn't saw usfight, bicker and cry.
Come on, man, let's get.
Like I said, that's a unit.
You're looking trifling.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, so anyway, yeah, that's
that's.
That's that's, guys, own.
You got anything?
You got anything else, man,anything else?
You want to let the people knowabout your check-ins?
(14:20):
Man, hey, we're starting a pgajunior tour, uh, wednesday.
But yeah, you told me, yeah,yeah, man, yeah, it goes from
like this week all the way upuntil like september 4th or
something.
Yeah, every wednesday there's amax.
So I, I really want to document, like how good cairo gets from
now until like september.
You know.
(14:41):
So, anyway, man, all right, allright, let's jump into some of
this discussion topics, so so,so, yeah, you said you wanted,
(16:10):
you said you had something totalk about, and we started, we
started to talk, right, but wedidn't want to cast the cast
before it was cast.
Yeah, we hate casting the castbefore it's casting, man, but
you know.
So, all right, man, this is,this is, this is the thing.
I'm just gonna say it as freelyand openly as possible.
All right, yeah, but just afair warning for the listener it
sounds Listen, man, it soundsterrible.
Listen the listener.
(16:31):
Know my heart.
It's a bad look.
No, they know it's a bad look,jay, and I told you not to say
this stuff.
They know my heart, man, it'snot even that bad.
It's not even that bad.
It's not even that bad.
It's not even that bad, man.
Let's hear it.
I punched a client in the face,all right, did they finally
(16:55):
report you?
No, no, no, no.
I snuffed them out.
No, no, no.
They came to you and they werelike what happened?
I was like what happened?
I got punched in the face too.
Somebody came to you and theywere like what happened?
I was like what happened?
What happened?
I got punched in the face too.
Somebody come on, who hit us?
Who hit us?
I'm so sorry, this is an unsafespace, wow.
(17:25):
Once we both came to, I wasjust as confused as him.
What happened?
What happened to us?
So you want to talk about it?
How does that make you feelGosh?
(17:46):
Hey, look, if you could placethis feeling in a part of your
body, what part would it be at?
Let's talk about it.
If you could give it a texture,what would be the?
Let's do some sculpting man.
Move this chair around, tell mewho hit us.
If you have to paste thisbendito in a pillow, put this
(18:08):
pillow in the other chair andtalk to it.
This is what I'm thinking.
I got a private practice.
My private practice holds a lotof clients.
All right, busy, let me justget this out, man, okay, I'm
really important, I'm a big boy.
(18:28):
Okay, I'm a big boy, all right.
All right, get to what you want, all right.
So so I get clients all thetime in my practice and, like
most, some clients come in andthey're like hey, man, I'm
losing my kids, if, if, if Idon't like, if I don't get this
stuff sorted out, like I'm gonnalose my whole family, right.
But then sometimes otherclients come in and they're like
you know, I don't know.
(18:49):
I've been talking to my friendsand my friends tell me that,
like, maybe I should see atherapist and like, so I decided
to like reach out to you, youknow.
So, like you know, can you help?
And I'm like oh, just like, letme know what's going on.
They're like oh, I just feelthis like overwhelming anxiety
or like this overwhelmingdepression, and I don't know
(19:11):
where it's coming from, you know.
So then we explore in session,like where it's coming from and,
man, we have these like verylegitimized reasons why, like
you just moved to Louisiana andyou've been living whatever,
from wherever, and you justmoved into louisiana and you've
been living whatever, fromwherever, and you just moved
into a house with, like, yourmother-in-law, and your
mother-in-law doesn't understandboundaries.
We're like, yeah, okay, yourwife is getting a new job and
(19:35):
you're transitioning to new york.
You know, you're yeah, all thatright, all that stuff.
We get to a point to where it'sjust like, yeah, well, so, yeah
, that's why you're stressed,like you are experiencing stress
because life is stressful rightnow.
(19:56):
What else you got?
See, that's the point.
What else?
No, what else do you have?
For me, that is absolutely.
Is there anything else?
Nah, that you are coming to mefor outside of the very
realistic stressful things inlife, because I have a master's
degree and a doctorate.
See, you, see, you take it, letme get it out, let me get it
(20:18):
out.
I have a master's degree and adoctorate, see you, see, you
take it, let me get it out, letme get it out.
I have a master's degree and adoctorate and I didn't do all
that work to talk to you aboutsome very real, stressful stuff.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I need to know that you feellike you're dating SpongeBob.
That's the type of work thatI'm here for.
(20:43):
I need to know that you thinkthat you are the president of
zamunda.
That's, that's where I got mydegrees.
I don't really want to hearabout how stressful it is to be
a stay-at-home mom, because itis stressful, yeah, yes.
Do you want me to just be asounding board, because you can
actually just go to, like I'm ina Home Depot, and get an actual
(21:05):
board and talk to that thing?
I don't know, I don't know whatyou're here for.
Let me, let me stop you, man,because you're about to ruin
your career.
No, no, no, I got it.
I got it.
We work too hard for this.
We work too hard, man.
Stop me, stop.
Put me in my place, dude, putme in my place, doc.
(21:28):
Listen, two things, two things,all right, just two things, okay
, two things.
One let me start with thesecond thing.
First, okay, this is a largersystemic issue in the counseling
field.
Okay, all right, I would loveto talk more about it.
A larger systemic issue, uh-huh.
(21:48):
Second thing Write that down,okay, first thing.
First thing is hold on, Iforgot, see, I'm trying to take
this seriously.
Stop, stop, stop talking, man.
I feel like you're losing mytrain of thought.
Okay, look, this is it.
(22:09):
This is it, dog, like firstthing, I mean, they're not there
for that.
Obviously, it's a deeper issue,right?
Yeah, you're talking about,like, the difference between
first order change and secondorder change, okay, yeah, okay,
maybe that's deeper, but alsoI'm talking about the
(22:30):
commercialization of therapy.
But that's what I'm saying,that's what I'm saying, that's
what I'm saying.
Let's talk about the secondthing first.
We have become these, like youknow, when people have money,
they will spend money onfrivolous things.
No, no, no See, that's not myperspective, man.
We have become this likefrivolous commodity where, like,
(22:55):
people use us to say that like,oh no, therapy is the new hot
thing to do.
So, like, I got a therapist,that angle, I can do that.
I got a therapist, you know.
So they, so they come to us andlike they don't.
I'm gonna say this and I knowwe're gonna lose some listeners,
all right, but let me just getit out.
They don't have real problems.
(23:17):
Ah, I know, man, I know.
Let me just be honest aboutthis man, the gorilla's out the
cage.
I'm sick and tired of this.
I'm tired of it, jt, I'm tiredof it.
I'm tired of people comingwaltzing in, waltzing their
happy asses into my office With$125.
(23:41):
I can't take it.
I can't take it their happyasses into my office with $125.
I can't take it.
Wanting to soak up my good timeand energy to talk about some
realistic stresses in life, yes,I can't help you.
I can't help you.
Here's the problem.
What's the problem, gene?
I can't help you.
Here's the problem.
What's the problem?
Okay, that, so that person,let's just be honest.
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What we're talking about is thewalking well, the walking well.
No judgment, it's not acondemnation, you know what I
mean, which is kind of like whatwe're not really trained to to
help.
No, no, no, no, no.
You, you are, though, right.
Here's the, here's a no, buthere's the larger systemic issue
(24:32):
.
Right, we're talking about thewalking well, right, so we're
talking about people who theycan do good, they think they're
fine, they're functioning,they're good, they're good
parents, they're good parents.
Good people pay their bills,they pay the taxes, they're part
of their community, part of thecommunity, but, but, you know
but, but they, they maybe don'thave the environment or the
(24:54):
other people around them youknow the, you know the structure
around them to support, hey,man, things they want to talk
about.
Or maybe their friends are justtired of hearing them Just
tired.
Maybe so, maybe so, maybe so,maybe so, but.
But but if they don't gettherapy, they're not going to
have a mental breakdown, they'renot.
Life is just life.
Life is just going to be tough.
They'll sort it out and they'llgo from problem to problem.
(25:18):
Maybe there'll be some themeswithin that problem, but they'll
get it eventually.
The walking well, yep, now, dog,I think that the field maybe
doesn't do a good enough job intelling people where to go to
(25:39):
get those needs met.
The variances, like the variety, exactly the variety of
clinicians that they have outthere in the world, exactly With
different degrees, withdifferent specialities, with
different experiences.
But listen, doc, doc, listen,you know the cohort we just
graduated.
Yep, uh-huh, we've seen thetest scores.
Yep, you know, I mean thestandard deviation was deviating
.
Yep, you know, I mean, thestandard deviation is deviate.
(26:01):
Okay, the mean was meaning.
Okay, I mean the range wasrange.
All right, that's enough.
Yep, you got one more.
You know what I mean.
One more, good one in you, andthen that's it.
The correlation was correlizing.
Okay, that's it.
All right, that's enough.
I'm cutting you off, I'm cuttingyou off.
I'm cutting you off.
Hey, man, hey, I'm cutting youoff man Dog.
(26:23):
Now you tell me those studentswent out and get LPCAs, lmftas.
They were what circles aroundsome therapists out there, right
, but they're LPCAs, lmftas, yep.
And so I'm not saying that oneis better than the other.
I'm saying that there's adifferent need, you know, a
(26:45):
different severity.
Yep, right, yeah.
And I'm like those students,right, I feel like the field
should do a better job at likedifferentiating the different
skill sets of the differentdevelopmental levels of licenses
.
So, bro, so I've heard.
Hold on, let me finish, let mefinish, let me finish.
(27:07):
All right, go ahead.
I know your overworked ass isabout to pitter out right now.
So go ahead.
Man Nah, because dog like dog.
And ahead, man Nah, because doglike dog.
And this sounds terrible.
Not every therapist is createdequal.
Yeah, you know, yeah, and wedon't know, and the consumers
(27:33):
don't know, they don't.
What's the difference between agood therapist and a terrible
therapist, or maybe not evengood or terrible, just like.
What developmental level do Ineed for my current issues?
Exactly, right, exactly.
And how do I best use myresources?
(27:55):
Like insurance money.
It's like insurance money, youknow, because that client you're
talking about.
It's not that that client'sissues aren't complex enough for
you.
Uh-huh, it's that you don'tactually need that hour.
What you mean like financially,financially and also like
developmentally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI mean.
(28:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI mean.
Where you gotta, you gotta lpcr, lmfta, struggling, yep, you
know with like a borderlineclient or with a client
struggling with some complextrauma, struggling where it's
like in the.
It's like there needs to be sometype of way for the field to be
able to go.
Hey, look, if you're strugglingwith these issues, if you're
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working with this, thistherapist is more than capable
of working.
But I think you're right in thesense that, like they do in
some type of way, it feels liketherapists have been, um,
commercialized and there's gotto be a better word for that.
Maybe we're not commercialized,we've been, we've been turned
(28:58):
into commodities.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI mean.
Yeah, like that, that kind oflike non-essential yeah, you
know what I mean like a fast,like a fast food type of type of
thing in some ways, yeah, insome ways, and you feel that in
those situations, yeah, man, youknow, yeah, it's like hey, look
, man, if you want to go getsome therapy, look, go to an lp,
(29:19):
go to LMFTTA.
They're great, they justgraduated, they got the most
up-to-date Go to a universitycounseling center or go to a
training clinic.
They need the hours.
You know what I mean.
And also, dog, you can use themas a sound member Because
they're practicing skills.
(29:40):
You're learning skills, youknow what I mean.
But instead, like, people willgo and pay like $150, you know
to LPC and then LPC if they suck, they will just milk you.
Yeah, you don't even know.
So, like, instead of doingpsychotherapy, you're having a
conversation, a conversationWith somebody who just happens
(30:02):
to be clinically trained.
It's just an open conversationwhere you guys talk about life
and stuff like that and there issome therapeutic benefit to
that.
But it's not psychotherapy,it's really not.
And so, like, bro, I've seenthat on my caseload where, like,
I have some people on mycaseload where I'm like, okay,
this person is like quiteliterally delusional, right,
(30:25):
like there are some like realdeep psychological issues there,
right, where, like, they havesome delusions about, like about
their experience, right.
And like, in those sessions Ifelt like, okay, now I'm doing
therapy For sure.
Like, okay, now I'm doingtherapy, therapy for sure, now,
now I'm using all of theresources of my master's degree,
of my doctorate, of thedecade-long career, of all the
(30:46):
thousands of clinical hours, allthat stuff right.
But then there's some clientswhere I'm like, okay, yeah, I
mean sure, like yeah, yeah, the,yeah, yeah, the Breakups are
hard.
But, dog, do you feel likeguilty at all?
What do you mean?
Like I'm taking work away fromLPCA?
(31:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is how Ifeel, man.
I feel like sometimes, man,people think well, I'm just
going to word it how I'mthinking it.
Well, I'm just going to word ithow I'm thinking it.
I think some people think thattheir issues are extremely deep
and entrenched and entangled inthis mental health diagnosis
(31:32):
that they looked up online orsomething.
So they feel like I'm going togo to psychology today, I'm
going to find the most equippedtherapist right, the most well
educated, the most certifiedcertified, whatever credential
you know exactly, you know, and,and so then they find you right
and they enter into therapywith you and and then, like you
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know, I'm just speaking asmyself, like as a therapist I'm
like, oh man, yes, I'm notsaying that what you're
experiencing in life isn't likehard or tough or real or
whatever, but like it's actuallyjust like a part of the human
experience like it's.
It's a part of life and you'refunctioning so well to where,
(32:16):
eventually, you're gonna likecome to terms, you're gonna
become more.
Eventually, you're going tolike come to terms, you're going
to become more aware.
You're going to like get pastthis portion of your life and
you're going to like come on onthe other end, a more aware and
a quick person, like you know,even without me, if you didn't
come to see me, you know likeyou're still going to come out
in like a healthy way, you know.
And so sometimes those peoplecome to me and, man, they've
(32:39):
quite literally said I feel likeyou're like over qualified to
deal with the issues that I'mbringing in.
You know, I mean a part, a partof me is like no, like no, you
know, I don't really feel youknow.
But then, like another part ofme is like well, yeah, maybe.
So I mean, yeah, listen, I'veseen this, I've seen what you're
(33:00):
talking about literallythousands of times, to to a
point to where I can tell you,from a clinical perspective, I
kind of, where this is going.
I don't think you need that andI don't think you want.
I don't think you're there now.
You know, um, I think what youactually need is somebody to
like listen to you and like pullthose things out of you, you
(33:22):
know, so that you can kind oflike express and experience
yourself.
You know, I got a solution.
That's a solution.
Yeah, no, actually I don't wantto hear it.
So this has been great man.
This has been the TwinTheopolis podcast.
We really appreciate you guyscoming in every week.
No, but I don't want to hear it.
(33:43):
So this has been great man,this has been the Twin Theopolis
Podcast.
We really appreciate you guyscoming in every week.
No, but for real, this is whatI think is a good solution.
Listen, like we could becompletely wrong.
Hey, man, we're just talking.
This is just our idea.
It's 9.30 pm at night.
The kids are all sleeping.
I'm in my office, you're inyour office, I'm losing my voice
.
Yeah, you're losing your voice.
I just talk for 10 minutes,it's fine.
Yep, here's a solution.
(34:04):
Dog, psychology Today.
Okay, I think I have an idea ofwhere you're going with this
what I'm about to say.
I think you're about to sayPsychology Today should put a
little tab where they can put inlike the what, close, close,
Wrong again, just like I'm usedto it.
(34:25):
I'm used to it so close, but Ithink two solutions, Two
solutions, no, no, you just saidone, no, no.
Two solutions, two solutions,one Therapy rankings.
Listen, Listen, not like the,not like the person who's like
this is five stars.
(34:45):
No, I'm talking more combatstyle.
Okay, I'm talking more combat.
I'm talking depth chart.
I'm talking yeah, I'm talkinglike Well, you know what you're
ranking on the board, marchMadness type style.
Yeah, one client, one client,one client, 50 therapists, and
(35:05):
you get on a bracket.
Do you know how many therapiststhey have on Psychology Today?
Perfect, the more the better.
And you want to just do oneclient, one client, one client.
You get a panel of 10 clients,a panel of 10, 10 clients, right
, and you, dog, you rate thetherapist, you watch it, you
watch a 10 minute clip of themworking with the same client,
(35:28):
right, okay, listen to me, okay,okay, listen to me, dog, I see
what you say.
You rate them, you rate themwith different errors, presence,
clinic skills, so what youstuff.
So what you're saying is youhave a mock client video, mock
client video, and then yourespond as a therapist, as a
clinician, you respond as atherapist, and then you have a
panel of five stakeholders,experts.
(35:51):
You don't, you just open it up,you just free range.
Open it up to all of thepsychology of the users and if
you want, you can go in look atthe videos and you can rank them
.
So you'd have like 50,000responses that says like hey,
I'm talking.
I want that to be a live, Iwant a live bracket Out of
50,000 responses.
(36:11):
This clinician was ranked numberone in Louisiana.
Yeah, yes, that's what I want.
And you can do like differentcategories, different categories
, lpcs, lpc, lpca, yep, and thenyou could do all you could do
that.
Lpc, you could say this personwas ranked number one in
genuineness.
(36:32):
You know, you could say number,this person was ranked in humor
.
You know confrontation, thisperson was ranked number one for
confrontation.
Overall ranking 78 out of 400.
Overall ranking in genuinenessthird out of 400.
And you know what?
I guarantee the ones closer tothe bottom charging the most, I
(36:55):
guarantee they're the onescharging 250 a session, charging
250 a session Because that'sworth it.
And talking about, here's thisworksheet.
You don't get this worksheetout of my hands.
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, yeah,hey, hey, hey, man, that's
something Like, that's somethingman For real.
True, because you know what,man?
(37:16):
That's the thing that I missthe most about being an athlete,
right?
Is that like, hey, you're notstarting, and it's not because I
don't like you, it's becauseJimmy over here is faster and
he's better than you.
You know why he's faster andbetter than you Because he put
in more work in the offseasonthan you.
Absolutely, you know it.
You know it and I know it.
(37:40):
If you don't believe me, let'sput Jimmy and you on the line,
on the line and let's see who'sfaster.
Watch the taste.
Now.
I want you to look at Jimmyafter he smokes your ass and say
, jimmy, I got a hand to see youput in more work than me.
You're right, good job.
Hey man, you're right, Ideserve to be in second place.
Dog man, you're right, Ideserve to be in second place.
(38:00):
Dog, dog, let's see.
Let's see.
Yeah, hey, you can opt out.
Yeah, you can opt out.
You just don't get on theranking.
Yep, hey, man, and listen, ify'all feel like there's some
holes in this theory, then writein to the twintherapist at
gmailcom, write in to us.
Us, you know, right in, let'stalk about this.
You know now we will not checkthose emails, but you can still
(38:23):
write in if you feel thatfurious about what we're talking
.
I know, I know I'm gonna getcooked.
I know I'm gonna be cooked, no,but okay, okay, okay, but, but
yeah, let me just, I'm gonna getsmoked in some areas.
Let me just say this.
Let me just say this all.
Let me just say this All right,well, like, what I said before
is based on pure feeling.
All right, it's.
Sometimes I'm in session andI'm, I'm, I'm in front of a
(38:45):
client and I'm like okay, so,man, this is what you came in
here to talk about, yeah, butyou see, I think that would suit
.
Here's the second solution nocompetition, yeah, competition,
all right.
No competition For the peoplewho don't like competition, just
ranking.
Yep, look, look, look, you'rean LPCS, lmfts, uh-huh, right,
(39:08):
you're on this ranking.
Just real quick, what if youcould not practice until you
were in the top 100 ofclinicians in your state?
What if you could not practice?
No, no, no, no, no.
You can practice, but you canonly charge in this range.
I'm saying seriously, like cutall this stuff out, cut all this
(39:30):
stuff out, bro.
I see people charging so muchmoney, yes, so much money, yes,
you know.
And I see clients not having achoice and it's a system.
You know, it's clients in yourcommunity who are ranking the
way that you respond to thevideo.
It's not like some, you know,like some like have a heat mat,
(39:51):
have a heat mat, oh man, Come on, yeah, make it real.
Come on, man, make it real.
You know, yeah, man, no hate,no sneak hating, it's all
objective, none of that stuff.
All objective.
I don't have anything to dowith the judges.
Yep, you know.
Yeah, the second option youdon't no competition, no,
(40:12):
nothing like that, it's justranking.
I mean, it's just, it's justorganized.
Here's your lpcs, lmfts, here'syour opcs.
Explain a little bit of thedifference, you know, and then
dog make psychology today orwebsites like that.
Do an assessment for the clients.
What do do you mean?
An assessment, an assessment, aseverity of issues, assessment,
(40:35):
okay, yeah, because of theseverity of your issue, we would
suggest you use this level oftherapist and pay this amount of
money.
Yep, no, not.
We would suggest Only makeclinicians that fit in their
criteria available for them inthe search.
(40:56):
No, no, no, no, no.
I don't want there to befreedom.
No, man, no, no, no, I don'twant freedom because clients are
going to be like.
I know this assessment says thatmy severity level on a scale of
1 to 10, 10 being like verysevere is like a 2.
But I feel like, is that an 11?
Very severe is like a two, butI feel like, is that an 11?
(41:19):
So I need to go with the draustin, who has a phd, lpc,
who's a tenured professor, whoalso but see, but don't, but
don't, and you're gonna be there.
You're gonna be there andthey're gonna be like my stuffed
animal died and you're gonna belike what serious, serious
questions?
Your stuffed animal passed away.
Listen, listen, listen.
You don't think that there's apre-licensed, non-phd therapist
(41:44):
out there that got you you saygot me, which you mean like on a
basketball court or something?
Nah, I mean mano en mano, oneclient, you and them.
Don't you think there'ssomebody out there?
I need you to look me in theeye as I'm saying this.
Alright, I am the bestclinician in the universe.
(42:08):
Alright, and I'm talking aboutthe known universe.
Okay, I don't know.
No, and I say this with a witha full heart, with a with a full
heart, okay, okay, okay.
Hey, jesus, you think you'rebetter than me?
I don't think I'm better thanyou.
Man, it's.
It's without question.
(42:30):
It's like you know what it'slike.
It's like you know it is known.
It's like will it be hot inLouisiana during the summer?
Like, yeah, yep, it's going tobe hot.
Yep, see, I think we should doit.
I think you and I should do it.
I think we should have a fakeclient come up here.
(42:52):
You get five minutes, you getfive minutes, I get five minutes
.
We let the listeners decide.
We don't have to do that, man.
Whoever they decide, we don'thave to do that.
Whoever they decide no, no, no,no, listen, listen, no, no, no.
You listen, jude.
No, listen, dog, because I havea confession to make.
I have something, dog Whoeverloses has to take five
(43:13):
percentage points less on thisnext book that we write.
Okay, listen, man.
All right, let me just be clearabout something.
All right, I've been seeingyour whole caseload behind your
back, all right, and I did anice little informal assessment,
right, and I have the resultshere.
Okay On, you want me to readthe assessment out to you, or
(43:35):
you want to do this in private?
No, no need, and I have theresults here.
Okay On, you want me to readthe assessment out to you, or
you want to do this in private.
No, no need, okay, let's do itoffline, let's do Okay, let's do
it Okay, all right, thank you.
(44:57):
So now, but but for, but forreal, you know, I I do feel like
that, like there's some,there's definitely some
clinicians out there that's notgetting the recognition they
deserve because they don't,because they just don't have the
credentials.
So not only do they not havethe credentials, but they may be
in, like they may be in like arural area of the country, right
, where, like you know, you'reseeing the people that you're
you go grocery store with, youknow, and you're doing damn good
(45:19):
work.
Like I mean, you know, but butyou don't, you know they're not
going to win like any awards.
Yeah, but they are incrediblyskilled, you know, and listen,
like obviously it, you know.
And dog and listen likeobviously it, you know.
Yes, if clients come in and theytalk about this stuff, dan will
pass away like yeah, I'm gonnabe in there doing the regular
(45:40):
clinicians stuff that I wouldtypically do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah,blah.
Right, but there's a thought.
But there's, like sometimeswith some clients, there is a
thought where I'm like like okay, you know, like like, all right
, yeah, I don't have thatthought.
My thought is, man, I wish youwould see an LPCA, not because
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your issues are lesser than ormy skills are more than, but
just because, literally, theyneed these hours.
You're a great client to trainwith.
Well, sometimes I do feel likethat.
Sometimes I feel like I'm notgoing to charge you the full
price, yeah, for this, like,yeah, you know, like, uh, you
know, and I I know, but yeah,also, like I I'm barely barely
(46:38):
doing therapy in here.
Yeah, if you know, it feelslike we're, yeah, I'm like
barely, I'm barely doing therapyin here.
Yeah, but but also on, on theother scale of that, where you
have some therapists who aren'tgetting the recognition they
deserve, you have othertherapists who are probably
getting too much recognition.
Oh yeah, you know, oh yeah, andI'm not.
(47:00):
I'm not saying they don'tdeserve it, I'm saying that
maybe their skills isn't exactlyso.
That's the flip side, that'sthe.
That's the flip side because wehave become so commercialized.
The clinicians who are reallygood at the commercialization of
their practice, right, theytend to like draw these like
(47:25):
unaware, uneducated clients,like uneducated about the system
and about the process.
They draw them into theirpractice, right, and these
people.
Sometimes it's their like firsttime in therapy, never, never
done therapy before, never evenlike known anybody who's done
therapy.
They get into these people'spractices and they're like, oh,
I guess this is what therapy is,I guess this is what therapy is
(47:46):
supposed to be.
Or, like, you know, myclinician is like canceling on
me every week, you know.
Or like, um, you know, they'relike charging me for all kinds
of like I drink water, sothere's like a 50 up charge
because I drink a bottle ofwater in that office.
You know like, or you know what,whatever it is, you know like I
, I do think there's thatthere's that flip side of it.
You know where, sometimes, man,I'm with people and I'm like
(48:09):
you know what.
I'm glad that you're with mebecause I'm not gonna screw you
over.
You know like I'm gonna tellyou hey, man, you you want to do
like a 15-minute check-in.
You know like, maybe once amonth, until, like there's
something that comes up for youthat you feel like you really
need to explore, because I don'twant you to feel like you have
(48:31):
to schedule and we have to seeeach other for the full hour.
Yeah, like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway,
anyway, all right, man, allright, all right.
So, yeah, yeah, all right, man,what's going on for you for like
the rest of the week, bro?
I mean what you getting offinto, man, what the rest of your
(48:56):
week looking like?
You know, yeah, spending timewith the kids, man, trying to
play some golf, finishing up thefall schedule, because I'm on
the dark side of administrationnow, yeah, you have fully gone
over.
Yeah, speaking of lightsabers,your lightsaber would be like
red.
That's it, man, that's me, yeah, you know, that's it, man.
That's it, bro.
That's me going over.
That's me.
Yeah, yeah, I uh, you know, man,like mondays and tuesdays are
(49:19):
like my heaviest days.
I really don't have nothing,really too much going on on
wednesday, thursdays and fridays.
But, uh, yeah, man, I'm justtrying to like round out the end
of the summer with the kids.
You know, dog, man, it's coming, it's coming, it's ending fast.
Yeah, because, because keenstarting kindergarten in the
fall, right, bro, bro, this isthe thing that, like I've been
(49:41):
appreciating the most about thesummer is like the garbage time,
so like that, that time wherelike nothing's happening, man
kyra's been doing this thing,where he's like waking up at
like five o'clock, six o'clockin the morning.
You know it's super early, but,like man, it's just been this
like moment where, like, we'reboth up and like we're watching
like highlights of the euros,you know, or we'll watch like
(50:04):
highlights of, like you know,messi or Ronaldo, or we'll watch
, you know, car videos orwhatever right, and we'll just
we're just like up talkingwhatever you know.
Like you know it's 6 30.
Hey, dude, you want to go getsome donuts, you know.
And before waking up everybodyelse in the house, like let's go
get some donuts, you know.
Or like you know with with,with roby, just like you know um
, uh, painting something, orlike you know watching her dance
(50:29):
, just you know, just like thetime where like nothing's going
on, we're not going anywhere,we're not doing anything, it's
just me and one of the kids, youknow, and you know it's just
like this, just hanging out.
You know, like, bro, thatthat's the thing that I've
become most appreciative overlike this summer.
You know, especially now that,like my schedule allows it, you
know.
So, anyway, I mean, all right,all right, you got anything else
(50:51):
, bro.
Anything else you want to add?
Not a man, if uh, psychologytoday hears this and y'all want
to do a test run in belton,texas, that's right.
Yeah, that's right, that's yoursolution.
Let's ride.
That's what you could tellpsychology today.
No, but hey, wouldn't that befun though, because that's kind
of what we did in appliedtechniques and pre-practice.
(51:12):
Yeah, yeah, man, low-key, likelow-key, we would all sit around
in a fishbowl.
It's going to take some verysecure clinicians to say, yeah,
put me up for the running to be.
You know, put me up, I want tosee where I match up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, youknow what I mean, and not like
hating, no, just purely on.
(51:33):
You got 10 minutes, yeah, andthere's like a renewal period,
like every three, six months.
You get to make a new video.
You get to respond to anotherclient.
Stab at it, yep, yep, yep.
If you like your ranking, great, maybe you can challenge.
You can challenge oh manranking, yeah, great.
(51:56):
And maybe you can challenge, ohman, like I'm the 75th ranking.
I want to challenge the 34thranking, like, let me, you know,
yeah, that's how you get.
This is how you can get thoseclinicians, dog, that's like
ranked 250.
They go on a sabbatical yeah,dog, they go travel.
Yeah, they go live some life.
Uh-huh, they go take a trainingdog.
Yeah, they come back.
They come back like new.
(52:16):
I want to, yeah, I want tochallenge no one.
I've been training in a zerogravity chamber.
Yeah, man, that's it.
Yeah, I've been.
I've been training hyperbolic.
I haven't heard sounds in twoyears.
Yeah, I've been working.
When you say zero gravitychamber, you mean non-profit
community counseling?
Right, that's what she'stalking about.
Yeah, yeah, not non-profitcommunity counseling.
(52:38):
It's like doing therapy withankle weights on.
Yeah, you, yeah, yeah, you gotit.
You got it.
You got a weighted vest on.
You will get suicide hotline,you, yeah, mhm arm.
Oh, yeah, man, you know you goget MHMR.
Oh, yeah, man, all the stuff,inpatient, inpatient.
(52:58):
Them MHMR clinicians arebattle-tested, bruh, you go get.
You go lift Battle-tested,equivalent of lifting weights.
You know, yep, you come backand you say them community
clinics is like I cannot feed myfamily unless I'm good.
Yeah, and now you come back.
(53:18):
You know it's a new me.
I want to challenge number one.
Yeah, I'm challenging numberone, that's it.
Take a shot, take a shot.
Yeah, man, take a shot.
Every day it's a live feed.
I think we found something here, man.
Good shot, every day it's alive feed.
I think we found something here, man, I think we're onto
something.
I think we're onto something,you know, I think so.
(53:38):
I think we're onto something.
Anyway, all right, hey, man, ify'all want to come back next
week, we're going to solve somemore issues in the counseling
field.
You never know what's going on.
You never know what we're goingto fix.
We're just trying to fix it.
You know it's broken.
It's broken.
Just call us the janitors, andwe're here to clean this thing
up.
You know, and there's a lot ofthrow up and vomit and a lot of
(54:04):
trash, and you know, emotion,emotion.
Yeah, that's the word.
Yeah, we are the mentaljanitors.
That's what you can call us.
Alright, man, it's been theTwin Therapist Podcast.
We may or may not be back nextweek.
Don't trust us.
Don't trust a word we say.
hey, welcome back, welcome back to the cast.
Right now I'm uh, I'm lookingat my brother and he looks.
What's the Spanish word fortired Cacos?
Yeah, man, yeah, muy, muycansado.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, estoy muycansado, especialmente ahora
(00:40):
Porque mi clase muy terrible.
Terrible, terrible, terrible.
Sí¿ Por qué?
¿por qué Mi estudiante es muycansada también, te sabes, te
sabes, especialmente mi clase denoche.
Oh, de noche.
(01:01):
Sí, porque, ¿te sabes, ellostrabajan.
You don't want to just do thewhole cast in Espanol.
Sí, porque ellos estaban.
You don't want to just do thewhole cast in Espanol Sí,
probablemente.
But you see that, huh, I mean,I know, cis listening, check out
(01:21):
your boy.
I don't know if I saideverything correctly.
You probably didn't, you know.
I mean, you know, check outyour boy.
I don't know if I saideverything correctly, you
probably didn't.
Just a little bit, I mean, youknow, I had a little lesson
today, man.
I can tell you what.
Man.
It's so much easier to readSpanish than it is to speak
Spanish for me at this point.
Isn't that crazy dog?
(01:41):
Especially because you can'tread English?
I know, man, it gets to a pointto where, like nothing in life
makes sense.
You know, no, you know what itis, dog, it's probably.
It's probably because you'venever been able to read english.
You've only been able to readspanish, so like.
So you've probably failed allthe reading comprehensive stuff.
Not because you were stupid,you know, that's a little bit of
(02:03):
you couldn't read.
That's a little bit of youcouldn't read it.
There was a little bit of cuyóin there, though, a little bit
of A little bit.
Let's just break out all thelanguages, man.
A little bit of Spanish, alittle bit of French.
You know like, yeah, man, soanyway, man, all right, so we're
going to do a little breakdownand we're going to uh a little
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time for discussion on whatevertopic, just like whatever's,
whatever's coming up for us, youknow, and then we're gonna do a
little checkout, where we'regonna check out, you know,
what's going on for the rest ofthe week and what's happening,
man, what you're looking forwardto in your career or with your
family or whatever.
So, essentially threecomponents, you know, yeah,
after those three components aredone, we may or may not show up
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next week.
So, okay, listen, dog, can yoube quiet real quick, dog,
because I got.
I need some advice, dog.
All right now.
Is this the check-in portion orthe discussion portion.
I don't care, okay, you seethat we're off the rails.
Just I just stated what we weredoing.
Now let's check in, let's checkin.
This is what happened to metoday, dog.
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No, this is what happened to meyesterday, dog Bruh, bruh,
juice, uh-huh, I'm here, present.
Uh-huh, bruh, I'm raising ananimal.
Oh, okay, raising an animal.
Pharaoh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right
.
So today, last night, right, weget this.
We're playing this game.
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Oh, I got to tell you somethingtoo Hold on, hold on, dog.
So we're at these friends'house, dog, having a great time.
We just bought a new house.
It's amazing, dog.
Seriously, it's amazing.
Love it, dog.
Yep, good people, uh-huh, askhim if I can hold $20.
Because when you say build ahouse, you're too close, you're
too close to the issue.
Oh, okay, you're too close tothe issue.
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All right, all right, so, so,so, so.
Keon, right, five years old,yeah, playing basketball with
the dad.
Great dude, I would trust himto raise my kids.
Right, great person Playing.
He's playing.
He's not letting keen score asyou should.
Yeah, right, now, you gottaearn it.
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Yeah, right, not letting himscore right, right, so keen
comes to me.
Hey, just real quick, realquick.
There's so many parallels to mylife that you're talking about
right now.
So just go ahead, go ahead, goahead.
Not letting him score, sorry.
So keen comes he goes.
Uh, daddy, what should I do?
He's a little frustrated, alittle frustrated.
He's not frustrated, he'shaving fun.
All right, you know having fun,but you could tell he does have
a little glisten of sweat, theface is a little red.
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Yeah, he wants to score.
So you know.
And they said and you know thebet was like if you score, I'll
give you a dollar.
Okay, yeah, you know why hewants a dollar.
He's money hungry, just like hisfather.
Nah, you know, he wants thatmoney, dog.
Okay, because he wants me tomake change for that dollar so
that when he gets his haircut hecan go and get candy from the
coin machines.
That candy from the coinmachine has been there since the
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86 Olympics Bruh, bruh, bruh.
But he still wants thatraggedy-ass gumball Bruh.
Long story short, I tell Kian,tell him you're not going to
dunk it, you just want two shotsfrom the free-throw line,
double or nothing.
You get one shot, double ornothing, right, he goes to him.
Guy says absolutely, buckets,buckets.
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Even in the heat of battle, hedon't miss $2.
$2.
Full heart, $2.
$2.
Right, $2.
Full heart, $2.
Right.
So we get to the house next day.
Yeah, next day.
And this is how I know he's hismom's kid and not my kid.
Okay, yeah, he's his mom's son.
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Yeah, right, because I go, whatdo you want to get with your
dollar, with your $2?
And he's like I think I want toget a lightsaber.
I think I want to get alightsaber from Walmart, oh my
God.
And I think I want to get onefor me and one for my little
brother.
Okay, yeah.
And I was like okay, cool man.
So go ask mommy how much thelightsabers are.
As it comes, it's five dollars.
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As it comes, it's $5.
Yeah, because, see, if he wasyour son, you would have got two
lightsabers and you'd have beatmy ass all the way down Royal
Street.
Oh yeah, I would have got theones that connected in the
middle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, no, aye,aye, oh, no, aye, aye, nah, nah,
I would have looked at you andI would have said run, run, yeah
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, yeah, so, anyway, so, anywayMe from the other part it's $5
each.
So I was like okay, keegan, sohow much money is that he's like
it's $10 total.
Yeah, not in kindergarten,right?
Yeah, so I go.
Okay, man, so if you wanted toget two lightsabers and you have
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$2, how much more dollars wouldyou need in order to get two
lightsabers?
As you pull your hand behindyour back so you can count on
your fingers to see how much,yeah, because I wasn't getting
word problems until I was inhigh school.
Right, right, right.
So he goes $8.
That's how much money I need?
Yeah, and I was like when didyou learn how to do math?
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And he was like I don't know,somebody's got to feed this
family.
So I was like so how are yougoing to get eight dollars?
He was like I don't know, holdon for a second Until he walks
over, talks about it, comes backand he goes we want to do a
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lemonade stand.
I was like all right, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
He did bath bombs and a businessplan in like 30 seconds.
I was like, because you knowwhat I would have done?
Yeah, you know what I wouldhave done.
I would have threw that dollarin the vending machine as fast
as possible, as fast as possible, as fast as possible.
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I see, I didn't know if youwere asking me what you would
have done when you were Kenyan'sage, or what you would have
done For eight more dollars,because the Dr Austin In 2007,
for eight more dollars, wouldhave done some questionable
stuff.
Yeah, they probably still gotsome feet pictures of your old
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knuckles on online somewhere for$7.57.
Yeah, I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm just saying listener, I'mjust saying he has a past.
That's all I'm done.
Yeah, I'm done.
Yeah, I'm done.
I'm just saying listener, I'mjust saying he has a past.
That's all I'm saying.
Let me have a testimony.
But I'm saying you ain't got toput it all out there.
I'm just saying I didn't knowwhich version of yourself.
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You were asking me what youwould have did for some money.
Oh, jeez man, you're raising apure child man.
A pure child.
Wow, because my daughter wouldhave created a Ponzi scheme in
our neighborhood and got all ofthese elderly folk to try to buy
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her DVD on how to do the Cupidshuffle.
I wouldn't have put it past himto be like.
But if I give a boy across thestreet a dollar to start his
lemonade stand, then he startedone and then every other dollar.
If I told him how to start thelemonade stand, I can create
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this little course and I canjust sell my course to people
instead of actually, anyway, man.
So I was shocked today.
Wow, that's my story.
But anyway, I used that in aresearch class.
Okay, yeah, because that's thekind of professor I am.
The kind of professor I am.
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Well, I know, I'm not trying tocompare our children, man, but
uh, we went to the sky zone theother day, uh, we, which is like
a little bouncy place, you know, with trampolines and all kinds
of stuff, and there's this hugeuh phone pit where you kind of
have to like get up.
It's super high, and you haveto hang off this bar and the
attendant kind of like, you know, put you in the bar and then
you swing and then you fall intothe pit, right, it's super high
.
And I'm like you know, cairo,listen, if you do it one time,
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you're not going to be afraid todo it ever again.
Just do it one time, you know.
So he.
So he started to bargain, allright, like all right.
So instead of hanging off ofthe thing and jumping into the
phone pit, can I just sit at theedge and then jump in, right?
So he asked the attendant.
The attendant was like sure,dude, if you're scared, sit on
the edge and jump in.
He did that.
Right, did that.
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He went up to the edge of thething he's about to jump in and
he looks at me.
He's like no, I don't want todo it.
I don't want to do it.
I don't want to five years old.
He goes oh, kairi is such a crybaby, just just jump in right.
And she proceeds to do a swandive off of this thing into the
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foam pit right.
And I was like you see sidenote that's exactly who I want
taking care of me when I get old.
I don't want my sons to carefor me, I want her.
I want, because she's the typeof person to look at me dead in
the eyes and say, daddy, it'stime to pull the plug, time to
go.
It's time to pull the plug.
Listen, I love you, give meyour license.
I love you, give me yourlicense, time to go.
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I got to tell all your clientsthat you cannot see them anymore
.
So anyway, man, can I have yourtruck?
So she does a swan dive right.
She climbs up the stairs next toher, kyra looks at me and I'm
looking at him like dude.
Listen, man, you know I'msomebody who's trying to raise,
somebody who's like emotionallyintelligent, you know, and I'm
not egotistical, but I'm alsolike don't let your
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five-year-old sister show you up, dog.
Come on man.
Come on man.
It's not even a bar girl.
Come on, it's not even a bar,it's just like a sibling.
Come on, man, exactly as a unit, as a unit.
Come on, man, we need to comeon.
So he's sitting there, the edgeright, and robbie goes up behind
him.
Kyra looks at me, robbie.
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Kyra looks at me.
He's like, okay, I don't wantto do it, daddy, like I'm scared
, you know.
So he looks at the phone pit,he looks down.
Robin looks back at me.
She gives a little smile and awink and I said, robie, before I
can even say the word, shepushed kyra off the ledge.
Wow, push him off the ledgeright now, now, now, so, so
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Cairo falls.
Cairo falls down, right, no?
Immediately starts crying yeah,right.
I look at Roby and I say, roby,that was one of the meanest
things you can do and I'mholding back laughter.
Right, she's dying.
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We're both looking at each otherlaughing and I was like robie,
when kyra gets up here, do notlaugh.
You have to say you're sorry,and he looks like he's about to
body slam right, so I grab him.
Robin, you have to say you'resorry.
She goes.
Kyra, I'm sorry, but youalready fell from this high, so
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you might as well just jump nexttime.
You know what it's like fallingfrom this high.
It's not their argument, robyn.
That's not the point.
That's not the point.
The point is that you pushed meoff and I wasn't ready.
How dare you do something likethat to me?
I was scared, no man.
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So now I'm looking at theattendant.
The attendant is looking at melike somebody with a dead soul
inside who has seen thisiteration of life play out a
thousand times.
She's looking at me like listen, man, it's just my job.
You want me to just throw allyour kids in the phone pit man,
man, let's go get some sex andget on board.
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I bought it, man, like allthese people.
All these people didn't saw us.
All these people didn't saw usfight, bicker and cry.
Come on, man, let people.
All these people didn't saw us.
All these people didn't saw usfight, bicker and cry.
Come on, man, let's get.
Like I said, that's a unit.
You're looking trifling.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, so anyway, yeah, that's
that's.
That's that's, guys, own.
You got anything?
You got anything else, man,anything else?
You want to let the people knowabout your check-ins?
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Man, hey, we're starting a pgajunior tour, uh, wednesday.
But yeah, you told me, yeah,yeah, man, yeah, it goes from
like this week all the way upuntil like september 4th or
something.
Yeah, every wednesday there's amax.
So I, I really want to document, like how good cairo gets from
now until like september.
You know.
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So, anyway, man, all right, allright, let's jump into some of
this discussion topics, so so,so, yeah, you said you wanted,
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you said you had something totalk about, and we started, we
started to talk, right, but wedidn't want to cast the cast
before it was cast.
Yeah, we hate casting the castbefore it's casting, man, but
you know.
So, all right, man, this is,this is, this is the thing.
I'm just gonna say it as freelyand openly as possible.
All right, yeah, but just afair warning for the listener it
sounds Listen, man, it soundsterrible.
Listen the listener.
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Know my heart.
It's a bad look.
No, they know it's a bad look,jay, and I told you not to say
this stuff.
They know my heart, man, it'snot even that bad.
It's not even that bad.
It's not even that bad.
It's not even that bad, man.
Let's hear it.
I punched a client in the face,all right, did they finally
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report you?
No, no, no, no.
I snuffed them out.
No, no, no.
They came to you and they werelike what happened?
I was like what happened?
I got punched in the face too.
Somebody came to you and theywere like what happened?
I was like what happened?
What happened?
I got punched in the face too.
Somebody come on, who hit us?
Who hit us?
I'm so sorry, this is an unsafespace, wow.
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Once we both came to, I wasjust as confused as him.
What happened?
What happened to us?
So you want to talk about it?
How does that make you feelGosh?
(17:46):
Hey, look, if you could placethis feeling in a part of your
body, what part would it be at?
Let's talk about it.
If you could give it a texture,what would be the?
Let's do some sculpting man.
Move this chair around, tell mewho hit us.
If you have to paste thisbendito in a pillow, put this
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pillow in the other chair andtalk to it.
This is what I'm thinking.
I got a private practice.
My private practice holds a lotof clients.
All right, busy, let me justget this out, man, okay, I'm
really important, I'm a big boy.
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Okay, I'm a big boy, all right.
All right, get to what you want, all right.
So so I get clients all thetime in my practice and, like
most, some clients come in andthey're like hey, man, I'm
losing my kids, if, if, if Idon't like, if I don't get this
stuff sorted out, like I'm gonnalose my whole family, right.
But then sometimes otherclients come in and they're like
you know, I don't know.
(18:49):
I've been talking to my friendsand my friends tell me that,
like, maybe I should see atherapist and like, so I decided
to like reach out to you, youknow.
So, like you know, can you help?
And I'm like oh, just like, letme know what's going on.
They're like oh, I just feelthis like overwhelming anxiety
or like this overwhelmingdepression, and I don't know
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where it's coming from, you know.
So then we explore in session,like where it's coming from and,
man, we have these like verylegitimized reasons why, like
you just moved to Louisiana andyou've been living whatever,
from wherever, and you justmoved into louisiana and you've
been living whatever, fromwherever, and you just moved
into a house with, like, yourmother-in-law, and your
mother-in-law doesn't understandboundaries.
We're like, yeah, okay, yourwife is getting a new job and
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you're transitioning to new york.
You know, you're yeah, all thatright, all that stuff.
We get to a point to where it'sjust like, yeah, well, so, yeah
, that's why you're stressed,like you are experiencing stress
because life is stressful rightnow.
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What else you got?
See, that's the point.
What else?
No, what else do you have?
For me, that is absolutely.
Is there anything else?
Nah, that you are coming to mefor outside of the very
realistic stressful things inlife, because I have a master's
degree and a doctorate.
See, you, see, you take it, letme get it out, let me get it
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out.
I have a master's degree and adoctorate, see you, see, you
take it, let me get it out, letme get it out.
I have a master's degree and adoctorate and I didn't do all
that work to talk to you aboutsome very real, stressful stuff.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I need to know that you feellike you're dating SpongeBob.
That's the type of work thatI'm here for.
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I need to know that you thinkthat you are the president of
zamunda.
That's, that's where I got mydegrees.
I don't really want to hearabout how stressful it is to be
a stay-at-home mom, because itis stressful, yeah, yes.
Do you want me to just be asounding board, because you can
actually just go to, like I'm ina Home Depot, and get an actual
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board and talk to that thing?
I don't know, I don't know whatyou're here for.
Let me, let me stop you, man,because you're about to ruin
your career.
No, no, no, I got it.
I got it.
We work too hard for this.
We work too hard, man.
Stop me, stop.
Put me in my place, dude, putme in my place, doc.
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Listen, two things, two things,all right, just two things, okay
, two things.
One let me start with thesecond thing.
First, okay, this is a largersystemic issue in the counseling
field.
Okay, all right, I would loveto talk more about it.
A larger systemic issue, uh-huh.
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Second thing Write that down,okay, first thing.
First thing is hold on, Iforgot, see, I'm trying to take
this seriously.
Stop, stop, stop talking, man.
I feel like you're losing mytrain of thought.
Okay, look, this is it.
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This is it, dog, like firstthing, I mean, they're not there
for that.
Obviously, it's a deeper issue,right?
Yeah, you're talking about,like, the difference between
first order change and secondorder change, okay, yeah, okay,
maybe that's deeper, but alsoI'm talking about the
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commercialization of therapy.
But that's what I'm saying,that's what I'm saying, that's
what I'm saying.
Let's talk about the secondthing first.
We have become these, like youknow, when people have money,
they will spend money onfrivolous things.
No, no, no See, that's not myperspective, man.
We have become this likefrivolous commodity where, like,
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people use us to say that like,oh no, therapy is the new hot
thing to do.
So, like, I got a therapist,that angle, I can do that.
I got a therapist, you know.
So they, so they come to us andlike they don't.
I'm gonna say this and I knowwe're gonna lose some listeners,
all right, but let me just getit out.
They don't have real problems.
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Ah, I know, man, I know.
Let me just be honest aboutthis man, the gorilla's out the
cage.
I'm sick and tired of this.
I'm tired of it, jt, I'm tiredof it.
I'm tired of people comingwaltzing in, waltzing their
happy asses into my office With$125.
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I can't take it.
I can't take it their happyasses into my office with $125.
I can't take it.
Wanting to soak up my good timeand energy to talk about some
realistic stresses in life, yes,I can't help you.
I can't help you.
Here's the problem.
What's the problem, gene?
I can't help you.
Here's the problem.
What's the problem?
Okay, that, so that person,let's just be honest.
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What we're talking about is thewalking well, the walking well.
No judgment, it's not acondemnation, you know what I
mean, which is kind of like whatwe're not really trained to to
help.
No, no, no, no, no.
You, you are, though, right.
Here's the, here's a no, buthere's the larger systemic issue
(24:32):
.
Right, we're talking about thewalking well, right, so we're
talking about people who theycan do good, they think they're
fine, they're functioning,they're good, they're good
parents, they're good parents.
Good people pay their bills,they pay the taxes, they're part
of their community, part of thecommunity, but, but, you know
but, but they, they maybe don'thave the environment or the
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other people around them youknow the, you know the structure
around them to support, hey,man, things they want to talk
about.
Or maybe their friends are justtired of hearing them Just
tired.
Maybe so, maybe so, maybe so,maybe so, but.
But but if they don't gettherapy, they're not going to
have a mental breakdown, they'renot.
Life is just life.
Life is just going to be tough.
They'll sort it out and they'llgo from problem to problem.
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Maybe there'll be some themeswithin that problem, but they'll
get it eventually.
The walking well, yep, now, dog,I think that the field maybe
doesn't do a good enough job intelling people where to go to
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get those needs met.
The variances, like the variety, exactly the variety of
clinicians that they have outthere in the world, exactly With
different degrees, withdifferent specialities, with
different experiences.
But listen, doc, doc, listen,you know the cohort we just
graduated.
Yep, uh-huh, we've seen thetest scores.
Yep, you know, I mean thestandard deviation was deviating
.
Yep, you know, I mean, thestandard deviation is deviate.
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Okay, the mean was meaning.
Okay, I mean the range wasrange.
All right, that's enough.
Yep, you got one more.
You know what I mean.
One more, good one in you, andthen that's it.
The correlation was correlizing.
Okay, that's it.
All right, that's enough.
I'm cutting you off, I'm cuttingyou off.
I'm cutting you off.
Hey, man, hey, I'm cutting youoff man Dog.
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Now you tell me those studentswent out and get LPCAs, lmftas.
They were what circles aroundsome therapists out there, right
, but they're LPCAs, lmftas, yep.
And so I'm not saying that oneis better than the other.
I'm saying that there's adifferent need, you know, a
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different severity.
Yep, right, yeah.
And I'm like those students,right, I feel like the field
should do a better job at likedifferentiating the different
skill sets of the differentdevelopmental levels of licenses
.
So, bro, so I've heard.
Hold on, let me finish, let mefinish, let me finish.
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All right, go ahead.
I know your overworked ass isabout to pitter out right now.
So go ahead.
Man Nah, because dog like dog.
And ahead, man Nah, because doglike dog.
And this sounds terrible.
Not every therapist is createdequal.
Yeah, you know, yeah, and wedon't know, and the consumers
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don't know, they don't.
What's the difference between agood therapist and a terrible
therapist, or maybe not evengood or terrible, just like.
What developmental level do Ineed for my current issues?
Exactly, right, exactly.
And how do I best use myresources?
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Like insurance money.
It's like insurance money, youknow, because that client you're
talking about.
It's not that that client'sissues aren't complex enough for
you.
Uh-huh, it's that you don'tactually need that hour.
What you mean like financially,financially and also like
developmentally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI mean.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI mean.
Where you gotta, you gotta lpcr, lmfta, struggling, yep, you
know with like a borderlineclient or with a client
struggling with some complextrauma, struggling where it's
like in the.
It's like there needs to be sometype of way for the field to be
able to go.
Hey, look, if you're strugglingwith these issues, if you're
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working with this, thistherapist is more than capable
of working.
But I think you're right in thesense that, like they do in
some type of way, it feels liketherapists have been, um,
commercialized and there's gotto be a better word for that.
Maybe we're not commercialized,we've been, we've been turned
(28:58):
into commodities.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI mean.
Yeah, like that, that kind oflike non-essential yeah, you
know what I mean like a fast,like a fast food type of type of
thing in some ways, yeah, insome ways, and you feel that in
those situations, yeah, man, youknow, yeah, it's like hey, look
, man, if you want to go getsome therapy, look, go to an lp,
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go to LMFTTA.
They're great, they justgraduated, they got the most
up-to-date Go to a universitycounseling center or go to a
training clinic.
They need the hours.
You know what I mean.
And also, dog, you can use themas a sound member Because
they're practicing skills.
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You're learning skills, youknow what I mean.
But instead, like, people willgo and pay like $150, you know
to LPC and then LPC if they suck, they will just milk you.
Yeah, you don't even know.
So, like, instead of doingpsychotherapy, you're having a
conversation, a conversationWith somebody who just happens
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to be clinically trained.
It's just an open conversationwhere you guys talk about life
and stuff like that and there issome therapeutic benefit to
that.
But it's not psychotherapy,it's really not.
And so, like, bro, I've seenthat on my caseload where, like,
I have some people on mycaseload where I'm like, okay,
this person is like quiteliterally delusional, right,
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like there are some like realdeep psychological issues there,
right, where, like, they havesome delusions about, like about
their experience, right.
And like, in those sessions Ifelt like, okay, now I'm doing
therapy For sure.
Like, okay, now I'm doingtherapy, therapy for sure, now,
now I'm using all of theresources of my master's degree,
of my doctorate, of thedecade-long career, of all the
(30:46):
thousands of clinical hours, allthat stuff right.
But then there's some clientswhere I'm like, okay, yeah, I
mean sure, like yeah, yeah, the,yeah, yeah, the Breakups are
hard.
But, dog, do you feel likeguilty at all?
What do you mean?
Like I'm taking work away fromLPCA?
(31:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is how Ifeel, man.
I feel like sometimes, man,people think well, I'm just
going to word it how I'mthinking it.
Well, I'm just going to word ithow I'm thinking it.
I think some people think thattheir issues are extremely deep
and entrenched and entangled inthis mental health diagnosis
(31:32):
that they looked up online orsomething.
So they feel like I'm going togo to psychology today, I'm
going to find the most equippedtherapist right, the most well
educated, the most certifiedcertified, whatever credential
you know exactly, you know, and,and so then they find you right
and they enter into therapywith you and and then, like you
(31:54):
know, I'm just speaking asmyself, like as a therapist I'm
like, oh man, yes, I'm notsaying that what you're
experiencing in life isn't likehard or tough or real or
whatever, but like it's actuallyjust like a part of the human
experience like it's.
It's a part of life and you'refunctioning so well to where,
(32:16):
eventually, you're gonna likecome to terms, you're gonna
become more.
Eventually, you're going tolike come to terms, you're going
to become more aware.
You're going to like get pastthis portion of your life and
you're going to like come on onthe other end, a more aware and
a quick person, like you know,even without me, if you didn't
come to see me, you know likeyou're still going to come out
in like a healthy way, you know.
And so sometimes those peoplecome to me and, man, they've
(32:39):
quite literally said I feel likeyou're like over qualified to
deal with the issues that I'mbringing in.
You know, I mean a part, a partof me is like no, like no, you
know, I don't really feel youknow.
But then, like another part ofme is like well, yeah, maybe.
So I mean, yeah, listen, I'veseen this, I've seen what you're
(33:00):
talking about literallythousands of times, to to a
point to where I can tell you,from a clinical perspective, I
kind of, where this is going.
I don't think you need that andI don't think you want.
I don't think you're there now.
You know, um, I think what youactually need is somebody to
like listen to you and like pullthose things out of you, you
(33:22):
know, so that you can kind oflike express and experience
yourself.
You know, I got a solution.
That's a solution.
Yeah, no, actually I don't wantto hear it.
So this has been great man.
This has been the TwinTheopolis podcast.
We really appreciate you guyscoming in every week.
No, but I don't want to hear it.
(33:43):
So this has been great man,this has been the Twin Theopolis
Podcast.
We really appreciate you guyscoming in every week.
No, but for real, this is whatI think is a good solution.
Listen, like we could becompletely wrong.
Hey, man, we're just talking.
This is just our idea.
It's 9.30 pm at night.
The kids are all sleeping.
I'm in my office, you're inyour office, I'm losing my voice
.
Yeah, you're losing your voice.
I just talk for 10 minutes,it's fine.
Yep, here's a solution.
(34:04):
Dog, psychology Today.
Okay, I think I have an idea ofwhere you're going with this
what I'm about to say.
I think you're about to sayPsychology Today should put a
little tab where they can put inlike the what, close, close,
Wrong again, just like I'm usedto it.
(34:25):
I'm used to it so close, but Ithink two solutions, Two
solutions, no, no, you just saidone, no, no.
Two solutions, two solutions,one Therapy rankings.
Listen, Listen, not like the,not like the person who's like
this is five stars.
(34:45):
No, I'm talking more combatstyle.
Okay, I'm talking more combat.
I'm talking depth chart.
I'm talking yeah, I'm talkinglike Well, you know what you're
ranking on the board, marchMadness type style.
Yeah, one client, one client,one client, 50 therapists, and
(35:05):
you get on a bracket.
Do you know how many therapiststhey have on Psychology Today?
Perfect, the more the better.
And you want to just do oneclient, one client, one client.
You get a panel of 10 clients,a panel of 10, 10 clients, right
, and you, dog, you rate thetherapist, you watch it, you
watch a 10 minute clip of themworking with the same client,
(35:28):
right, okay, listen to me, okay,okay, listen to me, dog, I see
what you say.
You rate them, you rate themwith different errors, presence,
clinic skills, so what youstuff.
So what you're saying is youhave a mock client video, mock
client video, and then yourespond as a therapist, as a
clinician, you respond as atherapist, and then you have a
panel of five stakeholders,experts.
(35:51):
You don't, you just open it up,you just free range.
Open it up to all of thepsychology of the users and if
you want, you can go in look atthe videos and you can rank them
.
So you'd have like 50,000responses that says like hey,
I'm talking.
I want that to be a live, Iwant a live bracket Out of
50,000 responses.
(36:11):
This clinician was ranked numberone in Louisiana.
Yeah, yes, that's what I want.
And you can do like differentcategories, different categories
, lpcs, lpc, lpca, yep, and thenyou could do all you could do
that.
Lpc, you could say this personwas ranked number one in
genuineness.
(36:32):
You know, you could say number,this person was ranked in humor
.
You know confrontation, thisperson was ranked number one for
confrontation.
Overall ranking 78 out of 400.
Overall ranking in genuinenessthird out of 400.
And you know what?
I guarantee the ones closer tothe bottom charging the most, I
(36:55):
guarantee they're the onescharging 250 a session, charging
250 a session Because that'sworth it.
And talking about, here's thisworksheet.
You don't get this worksheetout of my hands.
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, yeah,hey, hey, hey, man, that's
something Like, that's somethingman For real.
True, because you know what,man?
(37:16):
That's the thing that I missthe most about being an athlete,
right?
Is that like, hey, you're notstarting, and it's not because I
don't like you, it's becauseJimmy over here is faster and
he's better than you.
You know why he's faster andbetter than you Because he put
in more work in the offseasonthan you.
Absolutely, you know it.
You know it and I know it.
(37:40):
If you don't believe me, let'sput Jimmy and you on the line,
on the line and let's see who'sfaster.
Watch the taste.
Now.
I want you to look at Jimmyafter he smokes your ass and say
, jimmy, I got a hand to see youput in more work than me.
You're right, good job.
Hey man, you're right, Ideserve to be in second place.
Dog man, you're right, Ideserve to be in second place.
(38:00):
Dog, dog, let's see.
Let's see.
Yeah, hey, you can opt out.
Yeah, you can opt out.
You just don't get on theranking.
Yep, hey, man, and listen, ify'all feel like there's some
holes in this theory, then writein to the twintherapist at
gmailcom, write in to us.
Us, you know, right in, let'stalk about this.
You know now we will not checkthose emails, but you can still
(38:23):
write in if you feel thatfurious about what we're talking
.
I know, I know I'm gonna getcooked.
I know I'm gonna be cooked, no,but okay, okay, okay, but, but
yeah, let me just, I'm gonna getsmoked in some areas.
Let me just say this.
Let me just say this all.
Let me just say this All right,well, like, what I said before
is based on pure feeling.
All right, it's.
Sometimes I'm in session andI'm, I'm, I'm in front of a
(38:45):
client and I'm like okay, so,man, this is what you came in
here to talk about, yeah, butyou see, I think that would suit
.
Here's the second solution nocompetition, yeah, competition,
all right.
No competition For the peoplewho don't like competition, just
ranking.
Yep, look, look, look, you'rean LPCS, lmfts, uh-huh, right,
(39:08):
you're on this ranking.
Just real quick, what if youcould not practice until you
were in the top 100 ofclinicians in your state?
What if you could not practice?
No, no, no, no, no.
You can practice, but you canonly charge in this range.
I'm saying seriously, like cutall this stuff out, cut all this
(39:30):
stuff out, bro.
I see people charging so muchmoney, yes, so much money, yes,
you know.
And I see clients not having achoice and it's a system.
You know, it's clients in yourcommunity who are ranking the
way that you respond to thevideo.
It's not like some, you know,like some like have a heat mat,
(39:51):
have a heat mat, oh man, Come on, yeah, make it real.
Come on, man, make it real.
You know, yeah, man, no hate,no sneak hating, it's all
objective, none of that stuff.
All objective.
I don't have anything to dowith the judges.
Yep, you know.
Yeah, the second option youdon't no competition, no,
(40:12):
nothing like that, it's justranking.
I mean, it's just, it's justorganized.
Here's your lpcs, lmfts, here'syour opcs.
Explain a little bit of thedifference, you know, and then
dog make psychology today orwebsites like that.
Do an assessment for the clients.
What do do you mean?
An assessment, an assessment, aseverity of issues, assessment,
(40:35):
okay, yeah, because of theseverity of your issue, we would
suggest you use this level oftherapist and pay this amount of
money.
Yep, no, not.
We would suggest Only makeclinicians that fit in their
criteria available for them inthe search.
(40:56):
No, no, no, no, no.
I don't want there to befreedom.
No, man, no, no, no, I don'twant freedom because clients are
going to be like.
I know this assessment says thatmy severity level on a scale of
1 to 10, 10 being like verysevere is like a 2.
But I feel like, is that an 11?
Very severe is like a two, butI feel like, is that an 11?
(41:19):
So I need to go with the draustin, who has a phd, lpc,
who's a tenured professor, whoalso but see, but don't, but
don't, and you're gonna be there.
You're gonna be there andthey're gonna be like my stuffed
animal died and you're gonna belike what serious, serious
questions?
Your stuffed animal passed away.
Listen, listen, listen.
You don't think that there's apre-licensed, non-phd therapist
(41:44):
out there that got you you saygot me, which you mean like on a
basketball court or something?
Nah, I mean mano en mano, oneclient, you and them.
Don't you think there'ssomebody out there?
I need you to look me in theeye as I'm saying this.
Alright, I am the bestclinician in the universe.
(42:08):
Alright, and I'm talking aboutthe known universe.
Okay, I don't know.
No, and I say this with a witha full heart, with a with a full
heart, okay, okay, okay.
Hey, jesus, you think you'rebetter than me?
I don't think I'm better thanyou.
Man, it's.
It's without question.
(42:30):
It's like you know what it'slike.
It's like you know it is known.
It's like will it be hot inLouisiana during the summer?
Like, yeah, yep, it's going tobe hot.
Yep, see, I think we should doit.
I think you and I should do it.
I think we should have a fakeclient come up here.
(42:52):
You get five minutes, you getfive minutes, I get five minutes
.
We let the listeners decide.
We don't have to do that, man.
Whoever they decide, we don'thave to do that.
Whoever they decide no, no, no,no, listen, listen, no, no, no.
You listen, jude.
No, listen, dog, because I havea confession to make.
I have something, dog Whoeverloses has to take five
(43:13):
percentage points less on thisnext book that we write.
Okay, listen, man.
All right, let me just be clearabout something.
All right, I've been seeingyour whole caseload behind your
back, all right, and I did anice little informal assessment,
right, and I have the resultshere.
Okay On, you want me to readthe assessment out to you, or
(43:35):
you want to do this in private?
No, no need, and I have theresults here.
Okay On, you want me to readthe assessment out to you, or
you want to do this in private.
No, no need, okay, let's do itoffline, let's do Okay, let's do
it Okay, all right, thank you.
(44:57):
So now, but but for, but forreal, you know, I I do feel like
that, like there's some,there's definitely some
clinicians out there that's notgetting the recognition they
deserve because they don't,because they just don't have the
credentials.
So not only do they not havethe credentials, but they may be
in, like they may be in like arural area of the country, right
, where, like you know, you'reseeing the people that you're
you go grocery store with, youknow, and you're doing damn good
(45:19):
work.
Like I mean, you know, but butyou don't, you know they're not
going to win like any awards.
Yeah, but they are incrediblyskilled, you know, and listen,
like obviously it, you know.
And dog and listen likeobviously it, you know.
Yes, if clients come in and theytalk about this stuff, dan will
pass away like yeah, I'm gonnabe in there doing the regular
(45:40):
clinicians stuff that I wouldtypically do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah,blah.
Right, but there's a thought.
But there's, like sometimeswith some clients, there is a
thought where I'm like like okay, you know, like like, all right
, yeah, I don't have thatthought.
My thought is, man, I wish youwould see an LPCA, not because
(46:06):
your issues are lesser than ormy skills are more than, but
just because, literally, theyneed these hours.
You're a great client to trainwith.
Well, sometimes I do feel likethat.
Sometimes I feel like I'm notgoing to charge you the full
price, yeah, for this, like,yeah, you know, like, uh, you
know, and I I know, but yeah,also, like I I'm barely barely
(46:38):
doing therapy in here.
Yeah, if you know, it feelslike we're, yeah, I'm like
barely, I'm barely doing therapyin here.
Yeah, but but also on, on theother scale of that, where you
have some therapists who aren'tgetting the recognition they
deserve, you have othertherapists who are probably
getting too much recognition.
Oh yeah, you know, oh yeah, andI'm not.
(47:00):
I'm not saying they don'tdeserve it, I'm saying that
maybe their skills isn't exactlyso.
That's the flip side, that'sthe.
That's the flip side because wehave become so commercialized.
The clinicians who are reallygood at the commercialization of
their practice, right, theytend to like draw these like
(47:25):
unaware, uneducated clients,like uneducated about the system
and about the process.
They draw them into theirpractice, right, and these
people.
Sometimes it's their like firsttime in therapy, never, never
done therapy before, never evenlike known anybody who's done
therapy.
They get into these people'spractices and they're like, oh,
I guess this is what therapy is,I guess this is what therapy is
(47:46):
supposed to be.
Or, like, you know, myclinician is like canceling on
me every week, you know.
Or like, um, you know, they'relike charging me for all kinds
of like I drink water, sothere's like a 50 up charge
because I drink a bottle ofwater in that office.
You know like, or you know what,whatever it is, you know like I
, I do think there's thatthere's that flip side of it.
You know where, sometimes, man,I'm with people and I'm like
(48:09):
you know what.
I'm glad that you're with mebecause I'm not gonna screw you
over.
You know like I'm gonna tellyou hey, man, you you want to do
like a 15-minute check-in.
You know like, maybe once amonth, until, like there's
something that comes up for youthat you feel like you really
need to explore, because I don'twant you to feel like you have
(48:31):
to schedule and we have to seeeach other for the full hour.
Yeah, like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway,
anyway, all right, man, allright, all right.
So, yeah, yeah, all right, man,what's going on for you for like
the rest of the week, bro?
I mean what you getting offinto, man, what the rest of your
(48:56):
week looking like?
You know, yeah, spending timewith the kids, man, trying to
play some golf, finishing up thefall schedule, because I'm on
the dark side of administrationnow, yeah, you have fully gone
over.
Yeah, speaking of lightsabers,your lightsaber would be like
red.
That's it, man, that's me, yeah, you know, that's it, man.
That's it, bro.
That's me going over.
That's me.
Yeah, yeah, I uh, you know, man,like mondays and tuesdays are
(49:19):
like my heaviest days.
I really don't have nothing,really too much going on on
wednesday, thursdays and fridays.
But, uh, yeah, man, I'm justtrying to like round out the end
of the summer with the kids.
You know, dog, man, it's coming, it's coming, it's ending fast.
Yeah, because, because keenstarting kindergarten in the
fall, right, bro, bro, this isthe thing that, like I've been
(49:41):
appreciating the most about thesummer is like the garbage time,
so like that, that time wherelike nothing's happening, man
kyra's been doing this thing,where he's like waking up at
like five o'clock, six o'clockin the morning.
You know it's super early, but,like man, it's just been this
like moment where, like, we'reboth up and like we're watching
like highlights of the euros,you know, or we'll watch like
(50:04):
highlights of, like you know,messi or Ronaldo, or we'll watch
, you know, car videos orwhatever right, and we'll just
we're just like up talkingwhatever you know.
Like you know it's 6 30.
Hey, dude, you want to go getsome donuts, you know.
And before waking up everybodyelse in the house, like let's go
get some donuts, you know.
Or like you know with with,with roby, just like you know um
, uh, painting something, orlike you know watching her dance
(50:29):
, just you know, just like thetime where like nothing's going
on, we're not going anywhere,we're not doing anything, it's
just me and one of the kids, youknow, and you know it's just
like this, just hanging out.
You know, like, bro, thatthat's the thing that I've
become most appreciative overlike this summer.
You know, especially now that,like my schedule allows it, you
know.
So, anyway, I mean, all right,all right, you got anything else
(50:51):
, bro.
Anything else you want to add?
Not a man, if uh, psychologytoday hears this and y'all want
to do a test run in belton,texas, that's right.
Yeah, that's right, that's yoursolution.
Let's ride.
That's what you could tellpsychology today.
No, but hey, wouldn't that befun though, because that's kind
of what we did in appliedtechniques and pre-practice.
(51:12):
Yeah, yeah, man, low-key, likelow-key, we would all sit around
in a fishbowl.
It's going to take some verysecure clinicians to say, yeah,
put me up for the running to be.
You know, put me up, I want tosee where I match up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, youknow what I mean, and not like
hating, no, just purely on.
(51:33):
You got 10 minutes, yeah, andthere's like a renewal period,
like every three, six months.
You get to make a new video.
You get to respond to anotherclient.
Stab at it, yep, yep, yep.
If you like your ranking, great, maybe you can challenge.
You can challenge oh manranking, yeah, great.
(51:56):
And maybe you can challenge, ohman, like I'm the 75th ranking.
I want to challenge the 34thranking, like, let me, you know,
yeah, that's how you get.
This is how you can get thoseclinicians, dog, that's like
ranked 250.
They go on a sabbatical yeah,dog, they go travel.
Yeah, they go live some life.
Uh-huh, they go take a trainingdog.
Yeah, they come back.
They come back like new.
(52:16):
I want to, yeah, I want tochallenge no one.
I've been training in a zerogravity chamber.
Yeah, man, that's it.
Yeah, I've been.
I've been training hyperbolic.
I haven't heard sounds in twoyears.
Yeah, I've been working.
When you say zero gravitychamber, you mean non-profit
community counseling?
Right, that's what she'stalking about.
Yeah, yeah, not non-profitcommunity counseling.
(52:38):
It's like doing therapy withankle weights on.
Yeah, you, yeah, yeah, you gotit.
You got it.
You got a weighted vest on.
You will get suicide hotline,you, yeah, mhm arm.
Oh, yeah, man, you know you goget MHMR.
Oh, yeah, man, all the stuff,inpatient, inpatient.
(52:58):
Them MHMR clinicians arebattle-tested, bruh, you go get.
You go lift Battle-tested,equivalent of lifting weights.
You know, yep, you come backand you say them community
clinics is like I cannot feed myfamily unless I'm good.
Yeah, and now you come back.
(53:18):
You know it's a new me.
I want to challenge number one.
Yeah, I'm challenging numberone, that's it.
Take a shot, take a shot.
Yeah, man, take a shot.
Every day it's a live feed.
I think we found something here, man.
Good shot, every day it's alive feed.
I think we found something here, man, I think we're onto
something.
I think we're onto something,you know, I think so.
(53:38):
I think we're onto something.
Anyway, all right, hey, man, ify'all want to come back next
week, we're going to solve somemore issues in the counseling
field.
You never know what's going on.
You never know what we're goingto fix.
We're just trying to fix it.
You know it's broken.
It's broken.
Just call us the janitors, andwe're here to clean this thing
up.
You know, and there's a lot ofthrow up and vomit and a lot of
(54:04):
trash, and you know, emotion,emotion.
Yeah, that's the word.
Yeah, we are the mentaljanitors.
That's what you can call us.
Alright, man, it's been theTwin Therapist Podcast.
We may or may not be back nextweek.
Don't trust us.
Don't trust a word we say.
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