August 15, 2024 • 56 mins
Ever wondered how life’s highs and lows can shape your career and personal journey? This episode kicks off with a heartfelt catch-up as we share the reasons behind our brief hiatus, from dealing with a family loss to traveling for solace and rejuvenation. We reminisce about the humorous yet frustrating experiences of our failed remote recordings and the excitement around my major career shift from Grand Canyon University to the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. It’s a candid look at the rarity and significance of such faculty positions opening up and what this transition means for us professionally and personally.
We then dive into the lively and sometimes chaotic world of teaching and parenting. Hear the tales of our experiences teaching Lifespan and Multicultural Counseling, the various preparation styles, and the different student feedback we’ve encountered. On the personal front, we share the bittersweet moments of sending our little ones off to school for the first time. From dealing with morning routines and carlines to unique family traditions that cheer on our kids, this segment is filled with laughter, joy, and a touch of nostalgia.
Wrapping up, we reflect on the post-break jitters of preparing lectures, the humorous excuses students come up with, and the chaotic nature of juggling academic and parental responsibilities. Tune in for a balanced blend of lightheartedness and serious reflection!
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
hey, man, hey, welcome back to the cast y'all.
Uh, it's been a while, you knowit's been about, uh, what?
You?
Two weeks here, yeah, yeah,yeah, man, a week or something,
man, yeah, why don't you let thepeople know what's going on,
man, bearing with this, we haveabsolutely no way of
communicating where we're notgoing to do a cast.
If we don't do a cast, assumethat we either overslept
(00:38):
something happened or we justquit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's alittle jarring because, yeah, we
did think about quitting for awhile.
Like we had one week without acast and we were like this is
nice, nah, man, nah, we had adeath in the family.
We were traveling, yeah, and wecould.
You know, the thing is that wecould do the cast, but I don't
(01:01):
know if you remember listeningto this one.
Remember when I was in Maui,like this summer, and I tried to
do it in the car?
You do your car casting.
Oh, man, your car casting.
I listen back to that.
It sounds like I was talkingdown a deep box, no, just like a
hole somewhere.
No, it sounded like you weretalking in a tomato can with a
string attached to it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(01:26):
yeah, man, yeah, so you were hotand sweating, that's just,
that's just, yeah, that's just,that's just.
Call it, bro, let's call it.
But uh, we back this week, man.
And uh, yeah, it's the firstweek of school, man, first week
of school, hey, bro, hey, hey,you know, wait real quick, let's
just set them up, man.
You know, we've been doing thisfor a while.
It seems to work.
We're gonna do a nice littlecheck-in and then we're going to
jump into a topic and thenwe're going to do a little
(01:48):
check-out.
Man, I got a funny topic.
Remind me when we get there totalk about supervision,
supervision, All right,supervision, yeah, but check in,
man, hey, we got a lot of stuffhappening within our personal
lives and within our, uh, withinour like family, you know.
Uh, I mean, I mean our familyand our like and our like
(02:11):
careers, you know.
So, really, yeah, man, oh, hey,you know what?
I think this is the first castsince you've announced this is
the first cast, man, yeah,that's you jump ship, you
abandon your faculty, yeah, andyour students at gcu, yeah, and
you said you know what?
Yeah, I don't want to work atthis second tier, unaccredited,
(02:34):
uh-huh, I didn't say all that,man, I didn't.
Yeah, your grand can CanyonUniversity has been an amazing
steward of you know my wealth ofknowledge.
All seriousness, allseriousness.
Gcu was clutch.
(02:54):
Yeah man, yeah, yeah, yeah,good experience, yada, yada,
yada.
But moving on, moving on, great, great, hey, man, great people.
I wouldn't trade thatexperience for the world,
absolutely.
Yeah, man, yeah, moving on,yeah, great, great, hey man,
great people.
I wouldn't trade thatexperience for the world,
absolutely.
Yeah, man, yeah, I'm stillgoing to kind of hang out there
a little bit as an adjunct, youknow.
But yeah, moving on, yeah, man,this is one of the first casts
(03:19):
where I can say I've officiallyaccepted a job at the University
of Louisiana at Lafayette, soI'm officially a raging Cajun
man.
Yeah, amen, good luck with that.
I think it's a good program.
Man, I don't know why they hiredyou.
I mean, I know why they hiredyou Because when I interviewed I
(03:40):
was like thank you, but I think, my brother, you know they're
poor, that's cool man, give hima handout.
Interviewed, I was like thankyou, but I think, my brother,
you know they're poor and so youcan give him, give him a
handout.
We need some money.
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'scool, bro, that's cool.
When's your first day?
Uh, well, I can't officiallysay when my first day is,
because I think the feds arewatching, but I am starting here
pretty soon.
(04:00):
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I am starting here prettypretty soon cool.
But to some, to some people,I'm not starting until next
semester, but to most people I'mstarting here pretty soon.
So, okay, if you understandwhat I'm saying.
Nah, man, that's cool, bro,cool man, uh, nah man, yeah, so,
(04:24):
hey, it just it, just it justhappened.
Man, like I just, you know, um,we, me and megan, moved to
lafayette and I, I just figuredlike, oh, I'm just gonna work at
gcu for the rest of my life,because jobs here in louisiana,
especially like facultypositions, man, they don't tend
to come apart.
Yeah, between, yeah, they don'ttend to open.
What usually happens is that,like a university finally has
(04:47):
enough money to open a new line,yeah, you know.
And then, and then the newfaculty member comes in, you
know, and then that's especiallyhere in louisiana, it's rare to
have like just a new line openup.
You know, it's crazy.
I don't think people, I don'tthink like students are, you
know, if you're not in academia,realize like what it takes to
open it to, like, get a facultymember to get a faculty member
(05:09):
to open a line to, yeah, I meanthe university, the university
is committing to, to pay someone.
You know, I mean essentiallyfor the next 30 to 40 years, you
know, with increased wages andall that stuff.
You know.
So, uh, it's a lot to openwages and all of that stuff.
You know.
So, uh, it's a lot to open up.
You know, open up a line, youknow, yeah, especially,
(05:29):
especially because you alwaysrun the risk of getting a lemon.
You always run a risk.
Yeah, just getting some moneyin there.
The interviews, really well,they come in and then you got a
deal.
You know what I mean.
Yeah man, yeah bro, yeah, buthey, man, congratulations bro.
Yeah, yeah man, hey man, yeah,I'm excited, man.
(05:49):
And you know the good thing toois that, like you know, grand
canyon university was great, butit was, it was a, it was online
, right, and they had some someon-campus courts too, but my
family couldn't be a part of theuniversity.
You know.
So, like now, it's hard to be acitizen, it's hard to be a part
of the university.
You know so, like now, it'shard to be a citizen.
It's hard to be a citizen ofthe university.
You know, so, like now, man, ulis five minutes from the house.
(06:13):
You know, like we alreadybought, we already bought
football tickets, you know, forthe Tulane versus UL game.
You know we.
You know Cairo has been a partof like the soccer camps already
.
You know, yeah, we kind of wantto integrate the kids into the
university.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I was talking with a colleague
(06:36):
too real quick and then we canmove on.
She said that her dad used to bea professor too, right, and
like some of her fondestmemories of childhood was going
with her dad like to his officeor like sitting in some of his
classes.
You know, like, or like being apart of the university.
You know, and just like being akid running around campus and
people knowing that like, oh,that's dr so-and-so's kid.
(06:57):
You know, yeah, um, I think youknow that that's kind of what
I'm looking forward to.
You know, plus, like it's asmaller program with five
faculty members.
That's like a real family.
Yeah, man, that stuff is fun.
Those smaller programs are funI've been a part of.
Remember when I worked at ODU itwas like gosh, we had like 12
or 13.
(07:18):
And then another 20 adjuncts orsomething.
Oh wow, I didn't know until Ididn't even have that much
adjuncts or something.
Oh wow, I didn't know until Ididn't have that much adjuncts.
Yeah, it's a, it was a.
It was a big program, you know.
I think we were human servicestoo.
I can't remember, but thatmakes a difference.
You know, like, when you, whenyou are like in the room, you
know with all of the people, andall of the people in the room
are all the people.
(07:38):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, all the people.
Yeah, it's everybody.
I'm excited, man, I'm excitedbro.
What classes are you teaching?
Lifespan and MulticulturalLifespan and Multicultural
Counseling?
Yeah, when you hire, you gotall of my lecture notes and
PowerPoints that I sent you Allof this stuff.
(08:01):
Basically, remember how I setup your whole class and I mean I
think I got it, but I think itwas so atrocious.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That ain't it, that ain't it,that ain't it.
Yeah, no, I sent you 200 pageselection notes for lifespan.
Yeah, color-coded.
(08:21):
Yeah, remember, the blue,remember.
But I got like an overwhelmingamount of emails from past
students saying do not followhis lecture notes.
All he does is read from thePowerPoint.
Oh, that's interesting.
My excellence in teaching awardsays different.
Yeah, you know, what'sinteresting about that is that I
(08:44):
know, I know you did someunder-the-table deals, you know,
as a dean, because I know howyou like to, you know, like a
glutton for power.
So it's cool man.
Nah, nah, nah, it is nice.
It is nice, though.
Yeah, yeah, man.
So yeah, that's the classes I'mteaching.
Man, cool bro, that's what's up.
Man.
Up there, some Cooper, that'swhat's up man.
(09:06):
Updates on Keen startedkindergarten today.
Yeah, yeah, yeah To everybody.
Our kids just started school.
Man, like, we got two inkindergarten, one in second
grade.
You know I was about to startpreschool.
Oh, so okay, but it was easy.
It was easy Like Keen's dope,like he was.
Man, woke up, you know, earlythis morning, ate some breakfast
(09:27):
.
I made him some eggs and awaffle.
He could not sleep.
Last night, oh yeah, he woke upten times last night in the
middle of the night.
It was like three in themorning.
I was like Keon, you got to stayin bed.
He was like Daddy, I know, I'mjust so excited and I miss you
so much and I just want to hangout with you and you come hold
my hand until I fall asleep.
(09:48):
I was like, oh, my gosh man.
I was like you're excited.
He was like, yeah, and you knowwhat it is, dog, we've been
driving past this school'splayground for about five years
and every time we pass he goes.
That's my blue playground,that's my red playground, and
they just remodeled it thissummer.
Oh wow, when I tell you he wasgeeked out, ready to play in
(10:14):
this playground, bro.
So, oh, man, bro, he was, hewas, he couldn't, he couldn't
unbuckle himself fast enough.
So he just so y'all just likedrove up to yeah, that's what
they do, that's what they do.
Yeah, carline, yeah, the carline, my first time in carline.
Man, hey, hey, hey, hey, don'tmess around in carline.
Uh, yeah, man, yeah, I didn'tknow that.
(10:34):
I didn't know that people willpass you.
Yeah, what do you think?
You're gonna let your kid jumpout?
You're gonna take a picture andbe like, hey, girl, I was
trying to take a picture and belike, hey, girl, I'm going to
hit your first day of schoolwith Tommy.
I was trying to take a video.
I felt the eyes staring at me.
I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh,yeah, he got out of the car, bro
(10:55):
, walked up, said, hey, there'sprincipal, you know, like we
pretty much know all theteachers in there, man.
So he walked in and then, youknow, they're supposed to walk
him to his class, you know, butnobody showed up to walk him,
you know.
So he kind of looked left andright and he looked back at me
and he, like threw up the shockat me, threw it back at him, and
then he just turned around andwalked in school, man, and I was
(11:16):
like wow, wow, that's it, wow,that's it, yeah, man, and it
starts.
Yeah, wow, that's it, yeah, man, and it starts.
Yeah, there it goes.
And now he's living a liferight now.
Yeah, I don't know.
Look, for five years I kneweverything he did, yep, where he
was, every single time hepooped, yep, you know.
(11:38):
Now, I don't know.
Yeah, I know it feels good.
It feels good, right, it makesyou want to go pick up a pack of
cigarettes and not come back.
Huh, insane cigarettes, what?
Nah, it's not me, oh, I'm sorry, oh, my bad.
It makes you want to leave themforever.
Huh, yeah, you get a littletaste of freedom.
(12:00):
Makes you just want to driveand keep driving.
Yeah, keep driving, yeah, driveon off into the sunset.
Nah, man, it's pretty cool, bro, it's pretty cool, man.
Other than that, yeah, man,that's the first week of school.
Wait, wait, wait, how?
So, wait, wait, wait, wait.
When y'all left school, likewas it you and Lindsey that
drove them?
(12:20):
No, just me, oh, just you,because we have other children,
geez, oh well, yeah, but we,yeah, the first day.
So our first day is a littledifferent, man, like we, our
school is like four minutes fromthe house, you know.
So we just drive one road andwe live close to Megan's parents
.
So on the first day, likemegan's mom wakes up and like
(12:45):
has pom-poms, you know.
And as we're driving, like weput the windows down and she
like cheers for the kids, youknow, yeah, man.
And then it was like gg, yeah,man.
And then when we make it, whenwe make it to school, uh, the
kids have been there since sincecairo was in kindergarten.
I want to say so they've beenat the school for like this is
the third year.
I want to say so they've beenat the school for like this is
the third year.
I want to say so they'reexcited to see their friends.
(13:07):
So when we get to Carline,pretty much everybody's dropping
their kids off, so everybody iswalking in one direction.
So the second we make it oncampus, the windows are down and
the kids are yelling at theirfriends.
You know, like Stella, you'relike Stella.
Wow, stella, I just thought Itold that story to somebody.
Oh, you did.
(13:28):
Oh, man, yeah, maybe one daywe'll talk about that on the
cast.
Yeah, right, so, yeah, stella,you know, just yelling at their
friends or whatever.
I mean, before we even stoppedthe car, the kids are unbuckled
and like the doors open andthey're like jumping out.
(13:49):
And you said the car was stillmoving.
Yeah, the car's still moving.
Yeah, ok, what's your licenseplate?
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, they'rejumping out.
And the second they jump outand their feet hit the ground.
(14:10):
Man, the load of the book sacks, gravity takes over and almost
every kid like stumbles out ofthe car.
You know why y'all got so muchbooks, right, it's not just.
It's not just books, man, it'sall kinds of stuff.
I think they have like gluesticks and pencils, and and we
turned on, we turned all thatstuff in already.
Yeah, yeah, we do sometimes too, but sometimes they, you know,
(14:32):
they come in with all kinds ofstuff.
So, anyway, yeah, man, theyjump out the car, they see their
friends, like all guys, andthey, you know, they run up,
they hug them and then they alljust like kind of walk into
school together.
You know, uh, what do y'all have?
Do y'all do, uh, like dadcarline?
Uh, no, we don't do anythinglike that.
Well, actually, I don't know, Idon't know, they didn't, they
(14:52):
didn't mention it at all, man,hey, check it out, man, because
we do this thing called dadcarline, every, uh, every month,
like once a month, uh, and youknow, you wake up at like the
crack of dawn and you get outthere and like all the dads show
up to like help with carline.
You know, yeah, I mean, it'scool, man, because, like you
know, your kids see you, butalso, like you know, um, uh, you
(15:16):
know, like other kids, that youlike I coach on the soccer team
and I'm a part of the athleticsboard, right, yeah, and megan's
a part of the school advisoryboard.
So like we see these kids, youknow, and yeah, so, like they,
oh, you know, they jump out,they see you, they give you a
high five and then they run theclass.
You, man, it's just, it's coolto be like a part of a school
where it genuinely is like afamily, you know, you feel like
(15:38):
it's a community, you feel likeit's an actual community.
Yeah, plus, plus, plus like.
What I like is that if anybodylays hands on my kid, I know
them and I know where they live.
Huh, yeah, I don't know whatschool you go.
It's not the schools that wewent to.
Yeah, it's not.
(15:59):
It's not man, it's, it's justman, it's just nice because you
end up playing on the soccerteam with them.
Well, so, real quick, like, so,our kids.
We live in Lafayette, which iskind of like where we grew up,
right, so when I'm in, likeDicarline, or even when I'm like
around campus, I see peoplethat we went to high school with
you know, like legit Like.
(16:22):
I see people that we went tohigh school with you know, like
legit like.
I see people that we went tohigh school with and like their
kids, right, but you're in this,you're in the city where we
went to college at.
So, like, do you see any peoplethat, like you went to we went
to college with?
You see any of their kids?
Yeah, for sure, I mean becausewe're all around the same age,
having kids like you know, like,and so you, yeah, yeah, you see
(16:42):
them all, you recognize them.
You say, what's up, you know,like.
You go to the same church, yeah, yeah, you know, you know, yeah
, yeah, yeah.
Or you live in the sameneighborhood, you know, and so,
um, yeah, there's people ridinggolf carts from my neighborhood
to the school because it's likea minute away.
Oh man, you should get a golfcart.
I know, no, I know, yeah, Iknow, I'm not the one holding
(17:05):
this up.
Unless he doesn't want to get agolf cart, nah, I, I go cost
like three thousand dollars.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I just, I can't.
Three thousand dollars, that'sa lot, dog, that's a lot.
I mean not not for what you'reunder the table deals, no, but
you know what it is, dog, it'sthat a $3,000 golf cart.
It's like a regular golf cart.
(17:26):
Yeah, you don't want a regular,regular golf cart.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no.
$3,000.
You can't take Dr Austin outthe hood y'all.
He don't want some golf cart on24s with spinning rims.
(17:47):
I'm going to have the onlymanual transition Transmission.
Yeah, transmission, wet, wet,wet.
You're going to be at theschool.
That exhaust Daddy.
(18:18):
Why is it so smoky?
Just sniffing exhaust fumes?
We're burning them fossils, son, oh, nah, man, yeah, that's
going to run me about $6,000,$7,000, $7,000.
About $17,000.
(18:38):
Yeah, you have road legal tires.
Man might as well just go inand get a new house,000.
Yeah, you have road legal tires.
Man might as well just go in onand get a new house, man.
(19:43):
So, so, anyway, anyway, anyway,can we talk about?
Can we get to the topic?
Man, I feel like we've justbeen wasting time.
Hey, man, let's get to thetopic.
Bro, I mean, you were late, butyou know, whatever, yeah, I
know I got stuff to do, hey, solisten, dog, so listen.
Are you teaching a clinicalcourse?
Not this semester, nextsemester, next semester.
Are you teaching a clinicalcourse?
(20:03):
Not this semester, nextsemester, next semester.
What course are you teachingnext semester?
Probably practicum orinternship Practicum.
Okay, y'all have an on-campusclinic.
Yeah, yeah, man, yes, okay, allright, what you thought was
happening around here, man, nah,just what's happening around
(20:27):
here, man, I just you've been,you've been in the struggle for
so long, man, you know whereyour students are getting
clinical hours jumping trains.
Hey, bro, it's.
Hey, online programs are wild.
Like what's your internshipsite wild?
Yeah, who's your, who's yoursupervisor?
Firestone mechanic how was that?
All right?
How was, how was thattherapeutic?
Are you getting any supervisionat all?
Not really, wow, okay.
(20:47):
Have you ever seen a tape ofyourself?
You haven't, you haven't.
Has anybody ever seen you dotherapy?
Yeah, man, yeah, well, you'rein private practice.
What is happening?
You're selling t-shirts, what?
Anyway?
Yeah, so, okay, okay, okay.
So, listen, listen, listen,because I know my uh supervisor
(21:09):
is listening to this.
Okay, yeah, yeah, uh, I'm, I'mlow-key in a competition with
all the other faculty to have mystudents be the best therapist.
Well, how do you measure who'sthe best therapist?
Is it just like a?
You know?
Yeah, you know, you know, youfeel it.
You feel it in the clinic.
You don't want this smoke, drJoe, you feel it.
(21:32):
You don't want this smoke.
Hey, don't bring that down onme.
Hey, man, no, no, no, you don'twant the smoke.
Dr Cho, no, no, no, not her.
I feel like she's watching meright now.
No, man, sometimes you got totake the big dog down.
That's what they say whenyou're in prison.
Go and punch the baddest personin prison.
Man, dr Cho is like the boss.
(21:53):
You know the boss at the end ofthe level.
Here's the thing.
I don't think the other facultymembers know that I've been
doing this for the past coupleof years.
I don't think they know.
Maybe Sid knows, maybe DrNavarro knows.
(22:14):
I definitely do the same thingfor comps.
So how do they not know when,at the end of the semester, when
you know your students are thebest, you have a full on
firework show at Parker?
I think they get it.
Ok, yeah, yeah, they get it,especially when the letters come
in the mail.
Ok, yeah, yeah.
(22:36):
Now, but for real, for real,there is like a part of me and I
think all the faculty membersdo this like right, you take the
group you have and you go.
Okay, because this is whathappens.
I don't know how y'all do itover there at your new school,
but what we do is when a studentgoes to internship or when a
student goes to practicum, right, we sit down, we have like an
hour's long meeting where welook at all the students.
We put their names up there.
(22:56):
It's kind of like a depth chart.
We go like what's the like,what's the strengths, what's the
limitations, who's the facultysupervisors available, and then
which student needs whichexperience?
That's why it's good to have asmall faculty, because you know
everybody's strengths.
You know, like, okay, this isthe kind of vibe you give in
(23:17):
supervision.
This is kind of like how you doit oh, this student needs you,
and that's kind of what we do.
And then, once we have like,okay, I think these students
need this experience, then wehave a couple students which I
call anchor students, right, um,where they could do, they could
do well with anybody, withanybody, yeah, with anybody.
You know, like they they're,they're super mature, right,
(23:40):
they have good clinical skills.
All they need to do is theyjust need to have a place to
grow, right, right, you knowwhat I mean, right, um, then,
every once in a while, you get acouple anchor students in a
cohort, you know, well, then,every every once in a while, you
have a cohort full of anchorstudents.
Yeah, man, you know what I mean, yeah, and and and how big are
(24:02):
your cohorts?
Uh, generally about 25, about,okay, okay, yeah, yeah, but
every now and then you'll justget a cohort that just pulls
everybody up.
You know, yeah, and for thepast couple years we've been
having some cohorts like that.
You know, the cohort we havenow it's like one of those
cohorts where it's like, hey,man, reaching potential, yeah,
(24:22):
yeah, yeah, like, you just seeit, you feel it, you know what I
mean.
And it's so close to shattering, like, so close to you know
what I mean.
Yeah, like so close.
One dysfunctional person couldhave threw the whole group off.
Yeah, man, but you know what Imean.
They just didn't allow it tohappen.
Man did.
Was there a threat?
Was there like one person?
Always, okay, not just one, notjust one, and it's not even a
(24:45):
person, it's more of like adynamic, yeah, you know, like a
process, a dynamic.
That'll happen, man, yeah, um,but but long story short.
So when we get into practical,my internship, and we, and we
set up our like our, you know,our team, so to speak, our
groups, right, yeah, then we allkind of sit around and go, okay
, like, this is the, this islike, if my group has the
(25:08):
potential to go from right nowthere are four and I think I can
bring them up to a seven, thenthat's kind of the game.
If you can bring them up to aneight, then great, yeah, you
know what I mean.
But what's the?
What's the?
What's the?
Like seven or eight, what's the?
It's arbitrary, it's okay.
Okay, it's just.
It's just, it's just a few.
We don't even do that.
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Whatever it wasn't, though,it's just like what if you made
legit, well, honestly, honestly,you could, if you, I guess, if
you did, if you did a linearregression with their candidacy
score?
Yeah, I was just thinking aboutthat.
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You have the data to predictwhere.
Yeah, anyway, yeah, I bet youcould do that, but anyway.
But I think the bottom line isthat we all look around the
table, we look at our groups andwe all have this agreement
that's like hey, I'm going topush my students.
Everybody's like, yeah, I'mgoing to do this.
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People are like, hey, good luckwith your group, let us know
how we can support you.
All of the faculty members aredoing this and it's not a
competition for real, for real.
I think it's like an internal,like we all just want, well,
yeah, we all want the beststudents.
We want the best studentexperience we want our students
to have.
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We want our students to meettheir potential.
In this moment in time, you know, and I'm trusting, like I'm
trusting Dr Cho that, like she'sgoing to do her job, she's
going to push the students,because I may have some of her
students in internship one, one,yeah.
Or internship two, uh-huh, youknow.
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And so if she slacks, yeah,then that means I have to now
deal with catching Nick'sstudent up.
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,yeah.
And so I think we all have thislike collective, like hey, hey,
let's get it, dog.
What's interesting, what'sinteresting about that, is that
you have to know the studentsintimately, right, you know,
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like, you have to, you have toearn it.
You have to understand that,like, oh, hey, man, when this
student starts to talk aboutthis particular topic, or you
know, back in multiculturalclass, the student was kind of
struggling with this particularthing, you know, and like, and
like I couldn't deal with it inmulticultural class because, you
know, it's 25 students in there.
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You know, I tried to meet witha student one-on-one, but it was
, it was difficult, you knowdifficult, or hey, or hey, this
student has some likedispositional issues.
Yes, just the kind of personthey are makes it really hard
for other people to like them,uh-huh.
And they have some goodclinical skills, but, man, they
are not fun to be around.
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Yeah, their boundaries are alittle frayed, yes, and then it
becomes like okay, which facultycan give them that feedback,
you know, and then, like, punchit into, yeah, in a way that
they can receive it Session bysession.
Yeah, look for the videos untilthey get like, hey, the clients
are coming back because nobodywants to sit in front of you.
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Now, do y'all, y'all have?
I remember I think I saw thaty'all have an ability to watch
the students as they do therapylive, right, oh, yeah, like on
you guys' computers.
Yeah, yeah, we got that On ouroffice computers.
But then also, like you know,it's live, we have live
supervisors on there, right,right, right, yeah, we do the
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same.
That was one of the reasons whyI wanted to go to UL is because
of that ability, that ability to, like you know, watch the
students do therapy live in theoffice and have the ability to,
like, walk down a couple doorsinto the clinic, you know, and
watch them live and just kind ofbe in that milieu with the
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students as they're watchingsessions.
And you can, it's recorded soyou can go in and watch the
recorded sessions.
Yeah, that's what we do insupervision.
Yeah, in supervision we justsit there, man, and yeah, but I
pity students who do not havethat experience.
Oh, yeah, man, if you don'thave that experience where, like
you know, somebody's likecombing through your sessions,
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yeah, yeah, um, uh, you know,you're, you, just you're not.
It's not like we're saying likesorry, man, you wasted your
money, kind of you know, no, no,but I think what we're saying
is like it's just, you know,it's a different experience,
it's a more enriching experience, in my opinion.
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Yeah, yeah, for, uh, yeah, youcould do good therapy, for sure,
you can be a good clinician,for sure, but absolutely, you
know, it's something about youknow, uh, hey, man, you can't,
you can't hide, yeah, you know,like you can't hide.
And even the uncomfortablestuff, man, when, when you know,
when you have to tell a studentlike, hey, the clothes you wear
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, it seems like it's impactingthe therapeutic process.
Or the question of like, whatis it about this particular
person?
You know that makes you behavein this way, compared to the
particular person that we saw 30minutes ago, you know, in the
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session that you had at nineo'clock.
You know all of this stuff, man, all of this stuff.
But anyway, I think, I thinkwhat I wanted to ask is like, do
you think that you'll becompetitive?
Oh, I know, I know, I know fora fact that I will not in some
like toxic way.
Yeah, not in some, like youknow, because it's not toxic.
Yeah, not in some, like youknow, like toxic way.
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But I think competitive in thesense of like, yeah, I want,
like I'm, I want, when I show upto campus and, like you know,
I'm in my office and I'm like inthe in the faculty, like in it,
you know, like I want studentsto feel like hey, there's
another level here.
Yeah, especially, especially,like you know, not even from
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professor to professor, but likelevels and like this is
practicum.
Oh, now, this is internship andthis field, that's what I'm
saying.
There's another level here,like there's, yeah, there's Like
there's a whole other level anddynamic and I'm blessed to have
like faculty that like reallyalign with me.
You know in the sense of like.
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You know I don't know abouty'all, but I'm trying to become
the best program ever In thecountry, in the state, the
region, the country.
I'm talking about worldrecognition.
I don't, I'm not doing this tolike go quietly into the night
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in my office with the window andyou know, just kind of like do
right by my students and stayquiet.
Nah, yeah, it's an hobby.
It's an hobby.
Nah, yeah, I want studentstraveling from around the world
to like fighting and clawing, toget into our program.
Yeah, I'm trying to trainstudents, I mean, from the
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inside out.
I wanted to leave the programof being like.
I feel like I can see anything,I can smell sounds and hear
smells.
Now, thank you.
Yeah, man, no, but for real, Iwant my students to feel like
there is a qualitativedifference between Qualitative
difference.
Yeah, this semester and lastsemester, and in the end, in the
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end, dog, you know, like andwe've talked about this on the
cast but like, you get to apoint, and hopefully you get to
a point in your practicum orinternship experience where you
have so, so differentiatedyourself that you can't compare
yourself to another student.
Yeah, other student, yeah, thatlike you're, you're, you're so
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different and you have suchownership of your style and your
approach that that you youcan't say like, oh, yeah, you
know, like suze is better thanme, like, the only thing you can
say is oh, man, like she doesthings differently than I do.
Man, that's the life or styleit doesn't fit for, but it seems
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like it works for her.
I think that's a natural partof like practicum and internship
is that I think in practicumthere's a lot of comparisons,
you know there's a lot of it hasto be.
There's a lot of like, oh man,especially like, and you know,
I'm seeing the best of the bestclients and I have the best of
the best supervisor, and youknow, I'm just getting this rich
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experience.
And you have another studentwho's like you know their
supervisor.
I haven't seen the client inweeks.
Yeah, man, their supervisor'snot present.
You know they're having thishorrible experience, you know,
and it's a lot of like, oh, I'mnot going to be as good of a
clinician as you know Susan'sgoing to be as good of a
clinician as you know susan'sgoing to be, because susan's
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getting everything you know,she's got a good supervisor,
she's got tape, she's got, yeah,everything you know.
And then you know, internshiptwo happens and then it's like,
oh, like, I can still getsomething from my experience,
and it doesn't mean that I'mbetter than or less than susan.
We just have a differentexperience.
Maybe my experience is what itis because I can handle what it
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is.
Maybe I'm just like, maybe Ijust see things competitively,
maybe way more than my facultydoes, but I think they are
low-key, competitive as well,maybe not.
Anyway, I see it as like I know.
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Okay, first off, just a littlehumble brag.
Yeah, Go ahead, man, do yourthing, we've won.
Yeah, we're going through thisphase where we're counting the
humble brags that you have.
So I just want you to know thisis going on behind your back,
so I'm going to edit this out,but go ahead and tell us what
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your echo daughter program haswon.
Tell us, go ahead, hold on, letme cue the music real quick.
Okay, go ahead.
We won the Excellence inTeaching Award for the past two
years, or every two years forthe past 12 years.
I'm just saying you don't, youdon't get that, you don't, you
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don't get that by by, by readingPowerPoint.
It's all I'm saying.
Yep, that's all I'm saying, youknow.
And so when I look in the roomand I'm sitting at the table and
I'm like you know, teacher,teacher, teacher of the year,
future teacher of the year,future teacher of the year,
teacher of the year, you know,like there's something inside of
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me that goes Thank goodness wepaid some people under the table
, thank goodness we're justadmitting students willy-nilly
to bolster our, our financial.
No, that's not what I was gonnasay, I mean, that does help it,
cushions for sure.
Yeah, yeah, that's a securitycushion, when you know is fixed,
yes, um, but, but.
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But I'm assuming we would havewon it anyway.
Sure, you know, um, sure,uh-huh, no, but it does, it does
make you go, like it does makeyou go, you know.
Like, if I know, okay, I teachmy students every other semester
, yeah, and I know next semesterI gotta hand them off to dr
leonard and dr cho and dr nivore, dr sun, you know, if I know I
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gotta do that, then I want toprepare them to where, when they
get to that next class, like,my faculty isn't looking at me
like, would you do less?
Yeah, like, yeah, what?
What did you do less?
Yeah, you were asleep at thewheel.
Yeah, like, why don't they knowtheories?
Yeah, why don't they understandthe concepts?
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Yes, why don't they understandtheoretical orientation?
But that is's the undercurrentin every program.
I know we got to wrap up herepretty soon, but that's the
undercurrent in every program.
I think the students come in andI don't know I'm not saying
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that, oh, they don't give usenough credit, you know, because
that's not what we're lookingfor, but like, I think they
don't see it, because they're,you know, they're just trying to
survive.
They're going to do theirexperience.
They're just trying to survive,yeah, man.
But what's happening behind thecurtain is to know how to
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process a group experience.
And they better, and they aregoing to be completely in
control of their knowledge andemotions and the process.
They're going to really get it,their you know knowledge and
emotions and the process.
You know they're gonna, they'regonna really get it right.
So I don't have to worry aboutwhat booze is doing in group
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class, because I know he got usright.
He got us, he got us, that's itright.
He got us, yeah, he got us.
Man, and we all, we all havekpis, we all do.
Because we all have KPIs, weall do.
We have performance indicators.
We all have these things.
We're tracking for K-CREP.
You know if you're accredited,yeah.
If you're accredited, yeah,yeah, if you're accredited, if
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you're not accredited, yeah,good luck with your six-shooter
in the Wild Wild West.
It's hard to get accredited, man.
I'm not like poo-pooing onprograms, but like, yeah, but
there's a difference between anaccredited program and a not
accredited program.
I don't think.
I don't think people reallyunderstand the vastness of that
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difference, the chasm thatexists, yeah, with that, and one
is not better than the other,kind of, well, yeah, I mean, it
is for like, for a momentum.
No, not just that, I meanlegitimately for like licensure
now for licensure, yeah for sure, for sure.
Um, anyway, anyway, I justthink that there's this iron
sharpen this iron mentality.
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You know that.
I think that you know it turnsit into competition.
But it's not like this kind ofmeathead competition.
It's like everybody is, likeyou know, kind of on the same
page.
Yeah, you know, and just thefull circle.
That's why it's so hard to hirefaculty.
That's why it's so hard to hirefaculty.
That's why it's so hard to hireLike, are you a good culture
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fit?
Yeah, you know.
Are you a good teacher man?
So like, the interview processfor a faculty is like an all-day
thing.
You know, like you bring threefaculty on campus and they're
there from.
I remember when I taught at inMonroe it was like a two-day
ordeal.
I had to sleep in a hotel thatnight.
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Yeah, man, you know.
Yeah, man, yeah it's.
You know they really vet youbecause once they hire you it's
not there is no, you know, likeyou could that person can be a
part of your faculty for thenext 30 years.
You know, and if you don't likethem, you know, like, yeah,
you're going to get that facultymember is going to get squeezed
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out.
The students, the students, thestudents are going to squeeze
them out With those studentevaluations.
Man, squeeze them out, right,yeah.
And then look at us, we'redoing another faculty search,
another faculty search.
You know, yeah, like there, wegot to convince somebody to keep
the line open.
You know, meanwhile you'reteaching overloads, and I'm not
trying to complain, I'm justsaying that, like that, like
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dark, there's a lot that goes in.
Yep to you able to sit and like, think about this as, like I
need to do my job because I'mhanding these students off to
another faculty members, one andthen two.
I need to do my job because,like you know, like these are
real people who have like dreamsand goals and actually want to
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like be, be good.
But they don't know, yeah, in away, yeah, this is this is very
much so the beginning.
You know to like, there, youknow, this is like the jumping
off point.
You know, like, man, after thisdegree, I'm finally going to be
able to make enough money tofeed my family to, you know, buy
that house, that we wanted totransition out of this house.
So you know, whatever you know.
So, like you, you know, yeah,man, I'm, there's a part of me
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we can, we can wrap it up herepretty soon, but like there's a
part of me that's like a littlenervous about, about this is the
first time that, like you,should be burnt because you suck
, man, you do jesus, you do likelike it's, it's uh, and you
know, you do.
You know why?
Because you haven't taught whatwas the last time you handled
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the spontaneity, the randomnessof a class held, held attention
in front of people for threehours, man, last time you did
that, last time I taught apracticum class, practicum and
internship class, man, thatdon't count.
Yeah, that's the last time Idid.
No, no, no, no, no, I'm talking, I'm talking, hey, I'm, I'm
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talking.
Lecture, legit, legit, legit.
Nervous about that man, yeah,legit.
Nervous about, like man, whenwas the last time I had to
lecture in front of a class?
Right, that's okay, that's okay, that's not.
You know what, like, don't, no,I see it in all seriousness,
all seriousness.
No, no, no, I'm being seriousright now.
No, no, I'm serious, I'mserious, listen, I'm serious.
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Jeez, don't worry, papa's gonnacare for you.
Big big brother's got you setup.
Man, big brother's got you setup.
I got big big brother got youhis lecture notes and
powerpoints and his and and whatelse he got you.
What else he gave you?
Yeah, when you open that carepackets, I sent you an email,
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yeah, yeah, uh-huh.
Yeah, it was an.
It was an empty box.
Yeah, yeah, empty box.
Yeah, no see, you can't evenopen email.
Oh, man, big brother gonna helpyou out, bro, now, hey, bro,
hey, now, seriously, not justlike I'm not nervous about the
material at all.
What I'm nervous about is likethe stuff that happens in the
classroom, like, oh man, thestudent's energy levels dropping
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.
Can I be aware of that, youknow?
Like the, you know like, oh,the students need a break, you
know, and they cannot be awareof what I'm feeling.
It's like I'm a notoriousnon-breaker, notorious,
notorious.
I got you.
I got you for three hours,brother, look, oh, yeah, I got
stuff.
I got stuff I need to cover.
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Like you're trapped in herewith me.
Yeah, no, I'm trying to getthose comp scores up and so that
when I meet with thosestakeholders, engobino water
breaks.
I got you for three hours.
Oh yeah, you're an adult, pickthe section you want to miss and
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go wee, wee over there like,nah, I can't break.
You're an adult, pick thesection you want to miss and go
wee, wee over there.
Nah, I can't break.
When is there going to be a lowin the importance of the
information?
No, no, all of it.
Hey, you get those emails fromstudents that's like, hey, um,
so I can't, you can't gauge, youcan't gauge online program
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emails in an on campus programemail.
Hey, dr Dawson, how importantis today?
Dog dog online campus students.
Online students online studentswould be like a spaceship just
landed in my front lawn.
My dog was abducted.
My dog was abducted.
My wife was dissected.
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Can I have an extension?
Are you emailing when are youemailing from Zorgborg?
Where are you at?
Can I trust that this is evenyou, zorgborg Like?
Where are you at?
What is that?
Can I trust that this is evenyou?
Like?
What is happening?
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Man?
Oh my God, all of this stuffhappened and the first thought
was oh, let me email Dr Austinabout an extension.
Let me email Dr Austin.
What I appreciate the cognizanceyou have.
Nah, man, I do need to bebetter about taking breaks, and
sometimes my students.
I just see and I'm like y'all,y'all, okay, can we take a break
?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'lltake a break.
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Everybody jumps up.
I'm like my bad, I was havingfun.
Yeah, man, talking about anovice.
Yeah, man, come over, thank you.
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All right, man, all right,linear regressions, man, I mean
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I gotta go, I gotta go.
Um, yeah, let's just go checkout.
Man, I gotta go talk to theuniversity.
Hey, hey, will you be there topick to pick?
Uh, keying up?
No, no, you're gonna miss thepick up.
I'll be in class, I'll be inclass, but I'm gonna go in
between classes and say what'sup?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they jump back what's up?
What time does he get off?
Um, I don't know.
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Wow, father of the year, nah,dog, we are father, he said.
He said this is the first timethat I've been away from him.
I don't even know when he'spooping.
When does he get off?
I don't know he's going to bewaiting outside of school, like
us, daddy, nah, nah, man, but welucky, we have so many friends
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that go to that school and so wejust text them.
I've never been in a pick, apickup line or drop-off line,
okay.
So it's like, how long does ittake?
I don't know, y'all don't havelike a job, like a pickup
procedure.
I think, yeah, there's a looseprocedure.
Okay, oh, I'm sure it's likeofficial, but I'm not reading
that.
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Wow, so I'll text a friend.
You know, hey, what time do youusually leave?
You know, wow, and our pickupline man, nah, they see people
like we got a parking lot thatwe all sit in and it's lined up
in rows and if the person in thefront doesn't leave for like
2.30, people start honking.
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Like people are like yo move,move your ass.
Wow, yeah, people start honking.
People are like yo move, moveyour ass.
Yeah, man, I've seen it towhere the second person in line
goes around the first person Ifyou ain't moving, I'm moving.
And the first person's like, oh, I'm sorry, they're reading a
romance novel hanging out.
Yeah, man, they catch people forcutting in line, catch people,
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catch people, man hanging out.
You know, yeah, yeah, it's.
Yeah, man, they catch peoplefor cutting in line.
You know, I, catch people,catch people, man, they catch
they will.
They will stand in front ofyour car like, hey, the line
starts back there.
No, the line starts back there.
Yeah, man, teachers got likewalkie talkies, you know.
We got like the sheriff'soffice, like out there, yeah,
man, it's.
Yeah, bro, that's what you getwhen your kids go to a gated
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private school, when you're justmaking so much money I couldn't
even finish it.
Oh man, we're so broke.
We're.
So when you, the elite, yeah,when you're in the elite class
of Lafayette, yeah, it's, youknow.
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Anyway, all right, bro, I reallygot to go, man, I got to go
teach these.
I got a lecture today.
I'm pressed for time.
What kind of lecture are youdoing, man?
I'm teaching theories.
Today, bro, I'm teachingtheories.
So you're teaching theoriesthis semester.
There's this semester, who died?
Who died?
I'm not you in the theory, oh no, I've been teaching there for a
while.
We had a fact, we had a facultymember leave and I was just
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senior enough for somebody to gowhat class you want to teach?
And I was like I mean I didn'tget that option.
I mean, if y'all going to ask,I mean I did, I did help write
the theories.
I mean my name is in the book,it is in the book.
I mean I don't know, I don'tknow, I don't want to make this
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choice for y'all.
Hey, I'm not trying to.
You know, I don't want to Justlisten, just listen, I'll teach
you anything.
Yeah, I'm here, I'm a teamplayer.
I, I'm a team player, I teachanything, yeah, but, but If
theories is open, yeah, yeah,we're all chasing theories.
Man, let me in and let's seehow the scores do.
I think I'm too competitive,though.
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Yeah, seriously, seriously,because I do.
I'm not even competing againstother people, I'm competing
against cohorts.
Oh, yeah, yeah, man, I, oh yeah, like, yeah, I'm competing
against core.
Like, we'll get a cohort in.
I'll see the comp scores onresearch.
Uh-huh, you know the class thatI teach and I look at the cohort
that's sitting in front of meand I go, you know what dog, I
think I could push this cohortto age you ever get them to?
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Did you?
Did you ever?
Did you ever like not fail, butlike?
Did you ever like some of yourstudents like drop points in a
course that you were teachingand you had to like reevaluate
what you were doing?
Um, like, do you ever have tobe like whoa, yeah, the
multicultural class?
Okay, yeah, multicultural class.
Yeah, yeah, because, because,because I didn't, I didn't set
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it up, okay, you know, I likegot into it and it was more like
ethnicity education, okay, andthat's just, that's just not.
That's just not, it's nothelpful.
Yeah, it's not helpful.
And so we started doingsomething different, moved it to
a longer format in the springand, uh, so far so good.
Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, thathappens.
The thing is I don't care, likeI don't care if my students go
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higher and research than they docareer, yeah, or they go hard,
like I care, like last year'scohort scored this in research,
this year cohort, I want to keepus like, yeah, around the same
number, around the same number.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, like that's how I knowthat, like I'm doing, I'm
teaching it consistently, yeah,and you know the way I'm
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teaching is kind of standardized, you know.
So same thing with theoriesyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a legit thing, man, it's alegit thing Not teaching for the
test but, like you know,teaching pretty standardized to
where the students really canget a balance between, like,
real world stuff that they'llsee in, like you know, practice,
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and also like some of the stuffthat's like going to probably
be on the test.
Well, yeah, and also also, doc,like I feel like such a big
commitment to be able to getstudents to pass the NCE or the
MFT the first time.
Yeah, yeah, it's 200 andsomething dollars.
I don't, I don't, I don't want,I don't want to.
I don't want them to feel liketheir money is wasted man.
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Their money is wasted man.
Yes, like if you, if you haveto buy the nce again.
Yes, if you, if you take thence and it's totaling 400.
Yeah, man, to me I feel likethat's a failure on my part.
Yeah, especially if you feltone of the sections I teach.
Well, yeah, man, I had a client.
I had a client who was atherapist, who was a single mom,
and she, she felt the nce inthe first time and just, you
know the, the, the sadness andthe, the.
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You know the, you know the.
How am I going to pay for thisagain?
You know like, uh, and so shehad to wait and you lose money
to lose money.
You're losing exactly becauseshe can't get paid the true
payment of a popc.
You know like, oh, man, yeah,yeah, yeah, anyway, all right,
let me check out real quick.
Hey, man, uh, we got, we got,uh, we got a kindergartner man
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and we got a.
We got a second grader bro,today was their first full week.
No, yeah, this week is theirfirst full week, man, and they
already got homework.
Already got homework, man,crazy, yeah it man.
Yeah, this school really pushesthem into stuff.
So got that going on, man.
We got the walking pneumoniahappening in our house right now
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.
Yeah, we were supposed to go toa birthday party last week but
Kyra was sick.
Like Kyra took a nap in themiddle of the day.
That's what we knew.
We were like, oh, oh yeah,you're not feeling good.
Yeah, something's not right.
You know, yeah, man, and youknow semester's starting, man.
So you know, just lookingforward to some new changes, man
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, that's it, man.
That's all I got.
Hey, hey, hey, I'm strugglingon this.
No sugar thing, dog.
Oh, yeah, I started this week.
Okay, yeah, I feel better than Iever felt in a long time, but
I'm struggling.
It's hard to like.
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Sometimes I'm just like alright, I bought a bag of chocolate
chips Just to satiate myself.
I feel like a fiend here.
Have you talked to your sponsor?
Yeah, seriously, but for real,you just don't notice it.
You don't notice how bad it is.
Yeah, stop, yeah, oh, actually,yeah, like, yeah, I've never
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felt like.
Now I feel like.
When I wake up, it's like, oh,I'm up, I'm up.
You know, yeah, without reallytoo much coffee, I always felt
groggy and tired.
My body, while I was sleeping,was trying to process the
chocolate chip cookies I ate thenight before.
Anyway, man, hey, thanks forbeing patient with us.
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We're going to be moreconsistent.
Now that the semester started,we got to find some new date and
time to record this thing, yeah, now that you're teaching the
real thing, now that I got toactually be present on campus at
some point.
So, yeah, man, alright, cool,we'll see y'all next week, thank
you.
hey, man, hey, welcome back to the cast y'all.
Uh, it's been a while, you knowit's been about, uh, what?
You?
Two weeks here, yeah, yeah,yeah, man, a week or something,
man, yeah, why don't you let thepeople know what's going on,
man, bearing with this, we haveabsolutely no way of
communicating where we're notgoing to do a cast.
If we don't do a cast, assumethat we either overslept
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something happened or we justquit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's alittle jarring because, yeah, we
did think about quitting for awhile.
Like we had one week without acast and we were like this is
nice, nah, man, nah, we had adeath in the family.
We were traveling, yeah, and wecould.
You know, the thing is that wecould do the cast, but I don't
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know if you remember listeningto this one.
Remember when I was in Maui,like this summer, and I tried to
do it in the car?
You do your car casting.
Oh, man, your car casting.
I listen back to that.
It sounds like I was talkingdown a deep box, no, just like a
hole somewhere.
No, it sounded like you weretalking in a tomato can with a
string attached to it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, man, yeah, so you were hotand sweating, that's just,
that's just, yeah, that's just,that's just.
Call it, bro, let's call it.
But uh, we back this week, man.
And uh, yeah, it's the firstweek of school, man, first week
of school, hey, bro, hey, hey,you know, wait real quick, let's
just set them up, man.
You know, we've been doing thisfor a while.
It seems to work.
We're gonna do a nice littlecheck-in and then we're going to
jump into a topic and thenwe're going to do a little
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check-out.
Man, I got a funny topic.
Remind me when we get there totalk about supervision,
supervision, All right,supervision, yeah, but check in,
man, hey, we got a lot of stuffhappening within our personal
lives and within our, uh, withinour like family, you know.
Uh, I mean, I mean our familyand our like and our like
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careers, you know.
So, really, yeah, man, oh, hey,you know what?
I think this is the first castsince you've announced this is
the first cast, man, yeah,that's you jump ship, you
abandon your faculty, yeah, andyour students at gcu, yeah, and
you said you know what?
Yeah, I don't want to work atthis second tier, unaccredited,
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uh-huh, I didn't say all that,man, I didn't.
Yeah, your grand can CanyonUniversity has been an amazing
steward of you know my wealth ofknowledge.
All seriousness, allseriousness.
Gcu was clutch.
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Yeah man, yeah, yeah, yeah,good experience, yada, yada,
yada.
But moving on, moving on, great, great, hey, man, great people.
I wouldn't trade thatexperience for the world,
absolutely.
Yeah, man, yeah, moving on,yeah, great, great, hey man,
great people.
I wouldn't trade thatexperience for the world,
absolutely.
Yeah, man, yeah, I'm stillgoing to kind of hang out there
a little bit as an adjunct, youknow.
But yeah, moving on, yeah, man,this is one of the first casts
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where I can say I've officiallyaccepted a job at the University
of Louisiana at Lafayette, soI'm officially a raging Cajun
man.
Yeah, amen, good luck with that.
I think it's a good program.
Man, I don't know why they hiredyou.
I mean, I know why they hiredyou Because when I interviewed I
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was like thank you, but I think, my brother, you know they're
poor, that's cool man, give hima handout.
Interviewed, I was like thankyou, but I think, my brother,
you know they're poor and so youcan give him, give him a
handout.
We need some money.
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'scool, bro, that's cool.
When's your first day?
Uh, well, I can't officiallysay when my first day is,
because I think the feds arewatching, but I am starting here
pretty soon.
(04:00):
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I am starting here prettypretty soon cool.
But to some, to some people,I'm not starting until next
semester, but to most people I'mstarting here pretty soon.
So, okay, if you understandwhat I'm saying.
Nah, man, that's cool, bro,cool man, uh, nah man, yeah, so,
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hey, it just it, just it justhappened.
Man, like I just, you know, um,we, me and megan, moved to
lafayette and I, I just figuredlike, oh, I'm just gonna work at
gcu for the rest of my life,because jobs here in louisiana,
especially like facultypositions, man, they don't tend
to come apart.
Yeah, between, yeah, they don'ttend to open.
What usually happens is that,like a university finally has
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enough money to open a new line,yeah, you know.
And then, and then the newfaculty member comes in, you
know, and then that's especiallyhere in louisiana, it's rare to
have like just a new line openup.
You know, it's crazy.
I don't think people, I don'tthink like students are, you
know, if you're not in academia,realize like what it takes to
open it to, like, get a facultymember to get a faculty member
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to open a line to, yeah, I meanthe university, the university
is committing to, to pay someone.
You know, I mean essentiallyfor the next 30 to 40 years, you
know, with increased wages andall that stuff.
You know.
So, uh, it's a lot to openwages and all of that stuff.
You know.
So, uh, it's a lot to open up.
You know, open up a line, youknow, yeah, especially,
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especially because you alwaysrun the risk of getting a lemon.
You always run a risk.
Yeah, just getting some moneyin there.
The interviews, really well,they come in and then you got a
deal.
You know what I mean.
Yeah man, yeah bro, yeah, buthey, man, congratulations bro.
Yeah, yeah man, hey man, yeah,I'm excited, man.
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And you know the good thing toois that, like you know, grand
canyon university was great, butit was, it was a, it was online
, right, and they had some someon-campus courts too, but my
family couldn't be a part of theuniversity.
You know.
So, like now, it's hard to be acitizen, it's hard to be a part
of the university.
You know so, like now, it'shard to be a citizen.
It's hard to be a citizen ofthe university.
You know, so, like now, man, ulis five minutes from the house.
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You know, like we alreadybought, we already bought
football tickets, you know, forthe Tulane versus UL game.
You know we.
You know Cairo has been a partof like the soccer camps already
.
You know, yeah, we kind of wantto integrate the kids into the
university.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I was talking with a colleague
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too real quick and then we canmove on.
She said that her dad used to bea professor too, right, and
like some of her fondestmemories of childhood was going
with her dad like to his officeor like sitting in some of his
classes.
You know, like, or like being apart of the university.
You know, and just like being akid running around campus and
people knowing that like, oh,that's dr so-and-so's kid.
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You know, yeah, um, I think youknow that that's kind of what
I'm looking forward to.
You know, plus, like it's asmaller program with five
faculty members.
That's like a real family.
Yeah, man, that stuff is fun.
Those smaller programs are funI've been a part of.
Remember when I worked at ODU itwas like gosh, we had like 12
or 13.
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And then another 20 adjuncts orsomething.
Oh wow, I didn't know until Ididn't even have that much
adjuncts or something.
Oh wow, I didn't know until Ididn't have that much adjuncts.
Yeah, it's a, it was a.
It was a big program, you know.
I think we were human servicestoo.
I can't remember, but thatmakes a difference.
You know, like, when you, whenyou are like in the room, you
know with all of the people, andall of the people in the room
are all the people.
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You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, all the people.
Yeah, it's everybody.
I'm excited, man, I'm excitedbro.
What classes are you teaching?
Lifespan and MulticulturalLifespan and Multicultural
Counseling?
Yeah, when you hire, you gotall of my lecture notes and
PowerPoints that I sent you Allof this stuff.
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Basically, remember how I setup your whole class and I mean I
think I got it, but I think itwas so atrocious.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That ain't it, that ain't it,that ain't it.
Yeah, no, I sent you 200 pageselection notes for lifespan.
Yeah, color-coded.
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Yeah, remember, the blue,remember.
But I got like an overwhelmingamount of emails from past
students saying do not followhis lecture notes.
All he does is read from thePowerPoint.
Oh, that's interesting.
My excellence in teaching awardsays different.
Yeah, you know, what'sinteresting about that is that I
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know, I know you did someunder-the-table deals, you know,
as a dean, because I know howyou like to, you know, like a
glutton for power.
So it's cool man.
Nah, nah, nah, it is nice.
It is nice, though.
Yeah, yeah, man.
So yeah, that's the classes I'mteaching.
Man, cool bro, that's what's up.
Man.
Up there, some Cooper, that'swhat's up man.
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Updates on Keen startedkindergarten today.
Yeah, yeah, yeah To everybody.
Our kids just started school.
Man, like, we got two inkindergarten, one in second
grade.
You know I was about to startpreschool.
Oh, so okay, but it was easy.
It was easy Like Keen's dope,like he was.
Man, woke up, you know, earlythis morning, ate some breakfast
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.
I made him some eggs and awaffle.
He could not sleep.
Last night, oh yeah, he woke upten times last night in the
middle of the night.
It was like three in themorning.
I was like Keon, you got to stayin bed.
He was like Daddy, I know, I'mjust so excited and I miss you
so much and I just want to hangout with you and you come hold
my hand until I fall asleep.
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I was like, oh, my gosh man.
I was like you're excited.
He was like, yeah, and you knowwhat it is, dog, we've been
driving past this school'splayground for about five years
and every time we pass he goes.
That's my blue playground,that's my red playground, and
they just remodeled it thissummer.
Oh wow, when I tell you he wasgeeked out, ready to play in
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this playground, bro.
So, oh, man, bro, he was, hewas, he couldn't, he couldn't
unbuckle himself fast enough.
So he just so y'all just likedrove up to yeah, that's what
they do, that's what they do.
Yeah, carline, yeah, the carline, my first time in carline.
Man, hey, hey, hey, hey, don'tmess around in carline.
Uh, yeah, man, yeah, I didn'tknow that.
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I didn't know that people willpass you.
Yeah, what do you think?
You're gonna let your kid jumpout?
You're gonna take a picture andbe like, hey, girl, I was
trying to take a picture and belike, hey, girl, I'm going to
hit your first day of schoolwith Tommy.
I was trying to take a video.
I felt the eyes staring at me.
I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh,yeah, he got out of the car, bro
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, walked up, said, hey, there'sprincipal, you know, like we
pretty much know all theteachers in there, man.
So he walked in and then, youknow, they're supposed to walk
him to his class, you know, butnobody showed up to walk him,
you know.
So he kind of looked left andright and he looked back at me
and he, like threw up the shockat me, threw it back at him, and
then he just turned around andwalked in school, man, and I was
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like wow, wow, that's it, wow,that's it, yeah, man, and it
starts.
Yeah, wow, that's it, yeah, man, and it starts.
Yeah, there it goes.
And now he's living a liferight now.
Yeah, I don't know.
Look, for five years I kneweverything he did, yep, where he
was, every single time hepooped, yep, you know.
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Now, I don't know.
Yeah, I know it feels good.
It feels good, right, it makesyou want to go pick up a pack of
cigarettes and not come back.
Huh, insane cigarettes, what?
Nah, it's not me, oh, I'm sorry, oh, my bad.
It makes you want to leave themforever.
Huh, yeah, you get a littletaste of freedom.
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Makes you just want to driveand keep driving.
Yeah, keep driving, yeah, driveon off into the sunset.
Nah, man, it's pretty cool, bro, it's pretty cool, man.
Other than that, yeah, man,that's the first week of school.
Wait, wait, wait, how?
So, wait, wait, wait, wait.
When y'all left school, likewas it you and Lindsey that
drove them?
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No, just me, oh, just you,because we have other children,
geez, oh well, yeah, but we,yeah, the first day.
So our first day is a littledifferent, man, like we, our
school is like four minutes fromthe house, you know.
So we just drive one road andwe live close to Megan's parents
.
So on the first day, likemegan's mom wakes up and like
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has pom-poms, you know.
And as we're driving, like weput the windows down and she
like cheers for the kids, youknow, yeah, man.
And then it was like gg, yeah,man.
And then when we make it, whenwe make it to school, uh, the
kids have been there since sincecairo was in kindergarten.
I want to say so they've beenat the school for like this is
the third year.
I want to say so they've beenat the school for like this is
the third year.
I want to say so they'reexcited to see their friends.
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So when we get to Carline,pretty much everybody's dropping
their kids off, so everybody iswalking in one direction.
So the second we make it oncampus, the windows are down and
the kids are yelling at theirfriends.
You know, like Stella, you'relike Stella.
Wow, stella, I just thought Itold that story to somebody.
Oh, you did.
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Oh, man, yeah, maybe one daywe'll talk about that on the
cast.
Yeah, right, so, yeah, stella,you know, just yelling at their
friends or whatever.
I mean, before we even stoppedthe car, the kids are unbuckled
and like the doors open andthey're like jumping out.
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And you said the car was stillmoving.
Yeah, the car's still moving.
Yeah, ok, what's your licenseplate?
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, they'rejumping out.
And the second they jump outand their feet hit the ground.
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Man, the load of the book sacks, gravity takes over and almost
every kid like stumbles out ofthe car.
You know why y'all got so muchbooks, right, it's not just.
It's not just books, man, it'sall kinds of stuff.
I think they have like gluesticks and pencils, and and we
turned on, we turned all thatstuff in already.
Yeah, yeah, we do sometimes too, but sometimes they, you know,
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they come in with all kinds ofstuff.
So, anyway, yeah, man, theyjump out the car, they see their
friends, like all guys, andthey, you know, they run up,
they hug them and then they alljust like kind of walk into
school together.
You know, uh, what do y'all have?
Do y'all do, uh, like dadcarline?
Uh, no, we don't do anythinglike that.
Well, actually, I don't know, Idon't know, they didn't, they
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didn't mention it at all, man,hey, check it out, man, because
we do this thing called dadcarline, every, uh, every month,
like once a month, uh, and youknow, you wake up at like the
crack of dawn and you get outthere and like all the dads show
up to like help with carline.
You know, yeah, I mean, it'scool, man, because, like you
know, your kids see you, butalso, like you know, um, uh, you
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know, like other kids, that youlike I coach on the soccer team
and I'm a part of the athleticsboard, right, yeah, and megan's
a part of the school advisoryboard.
So like we see these kids, youknow, and yeah, so, like they,
oh, you know, they jump out,they see you, they give you a
high five and then they run theclass.
You, man, it's just, it's coolto be like a part of a school
where it genuinely is like afamily, you know, you feel like
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it's a community, you feel likeit's an actual community.
Yeah, plus, plus, plus like.
What I like is that if anybodylays hands on my kid, I know
them and I know where they live.
Huh, yeah, I don't know whatschool you go.
It's not the schools that wewent to.
Yeah, it's not.
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It's not man, it's, it's justman, it's just nice because you
end up playing on the soccerteam with them.
Well, so, real quick, like, so,our kids.
We live in Lafayette, which iskind of like where we grew up,
right, so when I'm in, likeDicarline, or even when I'm like
around campus, I see peoplethat we went to high school with
you know, like legit Like.
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I see people that we went tohigh school with you know, like
legit like.
I see people that we went tohigh school with and like their
kids, right, but you're in this,you're in the city where we
went to college at.
So, like, do you see any peoplethat, like you went to we went
to college with?
You see any of their kids?
Yeah, for sure, I mean becausewe're all around the same age,
having kids like you know, like,and so you, yeah, yeah, you see
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them all, you recognize them.
You say, what's up, you know,like.
You go to the same church, yeah, yeah, you know, you know, yeah
, yeah, yeah.
Or you live in the sameneighborhood, you know, and so,
um, yeah, there's people ridinggolf carts from my neighborhood
to the school because it's likea minute away.
Oh man, you should get a golfcart.
I know, no, I know, yeah, Iknow, I'm not the one holding
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this up.
Unless he doesn't want to get agolf cart, nah, I, I go cost
like three thousand dollars.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I just, I can't.
Three thousand dollars, that'sa lot, dog, that's a lot.
I mean not not for what you'reunder the table deals, no, but
you know what it is, dog, it'sthat a $3,000 golf cart.
It's like a regular golf cart.
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Yeah, you don't want a regular,regular golf cart.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no.
$3,000.
You can't take Dr Austin outthe hood y'all.
He don't want some golf cart on24s with spinning rims.
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I'm going to have the onlymanual transition Transmission.
Yeah, transmission, wet, wet,wet.
You're going to be at theschool.
That exhaust Daddy.
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Why is it so smoky?
Just sniffing exhaust fumes?
We're burning them fossils, son, oh, nah, man, yeah, that's
going to run me about $6,000,$7,000, $7,000.
About $17,000.
(18:38):
Yeah, you have road legal tires.
Man might as well just go inand get a new house,000.
Yeah, you have road legal tires.
Man might as well just go in onand get a new house, man.
(19:43):
So, so, anyway, anyway, anyway,can we talk about?
Can we get to the topic?
Man, I feel like we've justbeen wasting time.
Hey, man, let's get to thetopic.
Bro, I mean, you were late, butyou know, whatever, yeah, I
know I got stuff to do, hey, solisten, dog, so listen.
Are you teaching a clinicalcourse?
Not this semester, nextsemester, next semester.
Are you teaching a clinicalcourse?
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Not this semester, nextsemester, next semester.
What course are you teachingnext semester?
Probably practicum orinternship Practicum.
Okay, y'all have an on-campusclinic.
Yeah, yeah, man, yes, okay, allright, what you thought was
happening around here, man, nah,just what's happening around
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here, man, I just you've been,you've been in the struggle for
so long, man, you know whereyour students are getting
clinical hours jumping trains.
Hey, bro, it's.
Hey, online programs are wild.
Like what's your internshipsite wild?
Yeah, who's your, who's yoursupervisor?
Firestone mechanic how was that?
All right?
How was, how was thattherapeutic?
Are you getting any supervisionat all?
Not really, wow, okay.
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Have you ever seen a tape ofyourself?
You haven't, you haven't.
Has anybody ever seen you dotherapy?
Yeah, man, yeah, well, you'rein private practice.
What is happening?
You're selling t-shirts, what?
Anyway?
Yeah, so, okay, okay, okay.
So, listen, listen, listen,because I know my uh supervisor
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is listening to this.
Okay, yeah, yeah, uh, I'm, I'mlow-key in a competition with
all the other faculty to have mystudents be the best therapist.
Well, how do you measure who'sthe best therapist?
Is it just like a?
You know?
Yeah, you know, you know, youfeel it.
You feel it in the clinic.
You don't want this smoke, drJoe, you feel it.
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You don't want this smoke.
Hey, don't bring that down onme.
Hey, man, no, no, no, you don'twant the smoke.
Dr Cho, no, no, no, not her.
I feel like she's watching meright now.
No, man, sometimes you got totake the big dog down.
That's what they say whenyou're in prison.
Go and punch the baddest personin prison.
Man, dr Cho is like the boss.
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You know the boss at the end ofthe level.
Here's the thing.
I don't think the other facultymembers know that I've been
doing this for the past coupleof years.
I don't think they know.
Maybe Sid knows, maybe DrNavarro knows.
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I definitely do the same thingfor comps.
So how do they not know when,at the end of the semester, when
you know your students are thebest, you have a full on
firework show at Parker?
I think they get it.
Ok, yeah, yeah, they get it,especially when the letters come
in the mail.
Ok, yeah, yeah.
(22:36):
Now, but for real, for real,there is like a part of me and I
think all the faculty membersdo this like right, you take the
group you have and you go.
Okay, because this is whathappens.
I don't know how y'all do itover there at your new school,
but what we do is when a studentgoes to internship or when a
student goes to practicum, right, we sit down, we have like an
hour's long meeting where welook at all the students.
We put their names up there.
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It's kind of like a depth chart.
We go like what's the like,what's the strengths, what's the
limitations, who's the facultysupervisors available, and then
which student needs whichexperience?
That's why it's good to have asmall faculty, because you know
everybody's strengths.
You know, like, okay, this isthe kind of vibe you give in
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supervision.
This is kind of like how you doit oh, this student needs you,
and that's kind of what we do.
And then, once we have like,okay, I think these students
need this experience, then wehave a couple students which I
call anchor students, right, um,where they could do, they could
do well with anybody, withanybody, yeah, with anybody.
You know, like they they're,they're super mature, right,
(23:40):
they have good clinical skills.
All they need to do is theyjust need to have a place to
grow, right, right, you knowwhat I mean, right, um, then,
every once in a while, you get acouple anchor students in a
cohort, you know, well, then,every every once in a while, you
have a cohort full of anchorstudents.
Yeah, man, you know what I mean, yeah, and and and how big are
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your cohorts?
Uh, generally about 25, about,okay, okay, yeah, yeah, but
every now and then you'll justget a cohort that just pulls
everybody up.
You know, yeah, and for thepast couple years we've been
having some cohorts like that.
You know, the cohort we havenow it's like one of those
cohorts where it's like, hey,man, reaching potential, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, like, you just seeit, you feel it, you know what I
mean.
And it's so close to shattering, like, so close to you know
what I mean.
Yeah, like so close.
One dysfunctional person couldhave threw the whole group off.
Yeah, man, but you know what Imean.
They just didn't allow it tohappen.
Man did.
Was there a threat?
Was there like one person?
Always, okay, not just one, notjust one, and it's not even a
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person, it's more of like adynamic, yeah, you know, like a
process, a dynamic.
That'll happen, man, yeah, um,but but long story short.
So when we get into practical,my internship, and we, and we
set up our like our, you know,our team, so to speak, our
groups, right, yeah, then we allkind of sit around and go, okay
, like, this is the, this islike, if my group has the
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potential to go from right nowthere are four and I think I can
bring them up to a seven, thenthat's kind of the game.
If you can bring them up to aneight, then great, yeah, you
know what I mean.
But what's the?
What's the?
What's the?
Like seven or eight, what's the?
It's arbitrary, it's okay.
Okay, it's just.
It's just, it's just a few.
We don't even do that.
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Whatever it wasn't, though,it's just like what if you made
legit, well, honestly, honestly,you could, if you, I guess, if
you did, if you did a linearregression with their candidacy
score?
Yeah, I was just thinking aboutthat.
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You have the data to predictwhere.
Yeah, anyway, yeah, I bet youcould do that, but anyway.
But I think the bottom line isthat we all look around the
table, we look at our groups andwe all have this agreement
that's like hey, I'm going topush my students.
Everybody's like, yeah, I'mgoing to do this.
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People are like, hey, good luckwith your group, let us know
how we can support you.
All of the faculty members aredoing this and it's not a
competition for real, for real.
I think it's like an internal,like we all just want, well,
yeah, we all want the beststudents.
We want the best studentexperience we want our students
to have.
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We want our students to meettheir potential.
In this moment in time, you know, and I'm trusting, like I'm
trusting Dr Cho that, like she'sgoing to do her job, she's
going to push the students,because I may have some of her
students in internship one, one,yeah.
Or internship two, uh-huh, youknow.
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And so if she slacks, yeah,then that means I have to now
deal with catching Nick'sstudent up.
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,yeah.
And so I think we all have thislike collective, like hey, hey,
let's get it, dog.
What's interesting, what'sinteresting about that, is that
you have to know the studentsintimately, right, you know,
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like, you have to, you have toearn it.
You have to understand that,like, oh, hey, man, when this
student starts to talk aboutthis particular topic, or you
know, back in multiculturalclass, the student was kind of
struggling with this particularthing, you know, and like, and
like I couldn't deal with it inmulticultural class because, you
know, it's 25 students in there.
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You know, I tried to meet witha student one-on-one, but it was
, it was difficult, you knowdifficult, or hey, or hey, this
student has some likedispositional issues.
Yes, just the kind of personthey are makes it really hard
for other people to like them,uh-huh.
And they have some goodclinical skills, but, man, they
are not fun to be around.
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Yeah, their boundaries are alittle frayed, yes, and then it
becomes like okay, which facultycan give them that feedback,
you know, and then, like, punchit into, yeah, in a way that
they can receive it Session bysession.
Yeah, look for the videos untilthey get like, hey, the clients
are coming back because nobodywants to sit in front of you.
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Now, do y'all, y'all have?
I remember I think I saw thaty'all have an ability to watch
the students as they do therapylive, right, oh, yeah, like on
you guys' computers.
Yeah, yeah, we got that On ouroffice computers.
But then also, like you know,it's live, we have live
supervisors on there, right,right, right, yeah, we do the
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same.
That was one of the reasons whyI wanted to go to UL is because
of that ability, that ability to, like you know, watch the
students do therapy live in theoffice and have the ability to,
like, walk down a couple doorsinto the clinic, you know, and
watch them live and just kind ofbe in that milieu with the
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students as they're watchingsessions.
And you can, it's recorded soyou can go in and watch the
recorded sessions.
Yeah, that's what we do insupervision.
Yeah, in supervision we justsit there, man, and yeah, but I
pity students who do not havethat experience.
Oh, yeah, man, if you don'thave that experience where, like
you know, somebody's likecombing through your sessions,
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yeah, yeah, um, uh, you know,you're, you, just you're not.
It's not like we're saying likesorry, man, you wasted your
money, kind of you know, no, no,but I think what we're saying
is like it's just, you know,it's a different experience,
it's a more enriching experience, in my opinion.
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Yeah, yeah, for, uh, yeah, youcould do good therapy, for sure,
you can be a good clinician,for sure, but absolutely, you
know, it's something about youknow, uh, hey, man, you can't,
you can't hide, yeah, you know,like you can't hide.
And even the uncomfortablestuff, man, when, when you know,
when you have to tell a studentlike, hey, the clothes you wear
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, it seems like it's impactingthe therapeutic process.
Or the question of like, whatis it about this particular
person?
You know that makes you behavein this way, compared to the
particular person that we saw 30minutes ago, you know, in the
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session that you had at nineo'clock.
You know all of this stuff, man, all of this stuff.
But anyway, I think, I thinkwhat I wanted to ask is like, do
you think that you'll becompetitive?
Oh, I know, I know, I know fora fact that I will not in some
like toxic way.
Yeah, not in some, like youknow, because it's not toxic.
Yeah, not in some, like youknow, like toxic way.
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But I think competitive in thesense of like, yeah, I want,
like I'm, I want, when I show upto campus and, like you know,
I'm in my office and I'm like inthe in the faculty, like in it,
you know, like I want studentsto feel like hey, there's
another level here.
Yeah, especially, especially,like you know, not even from
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professor to professor, but likelevels and like this is
practicum.
Oh, now, this is internship andthis field, that's what I'm
saying.
There's another level here,like there's, yeah, there's Like
there's a whole other level anddynamic and I'm blessed to have
like faculty that like reallyalign with me.
You know in the sense of like.
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You know I don't know abouty'all, but I'm trying to become
the best program ever In thecountry, in the state, the
region, the country.
I'm talking about worldrecognition.
I don't, I'm not doing this tolike go quietly into the night
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in my office with the window andyou know, just kind of like do
right by my students and stayquiet.
Nah, yeah, it's an hobby.
It's an hobby.
Nah, yeah, I want studentstraveling from around the world
to like fighting and clawing, toget into our program.
Yeah, I'm trying to trainstudents, I mean, from the
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inside out.
I wanted to leave the programof being like.
I feel like I can see anything,I can smell sounds and hear
smells.
Now, thank you.
Yeah, man, no, but for real, Iwant my students to feel like
there is a qualitativedifference between Qualitative
difference.
Yeah, this semester and lastsemester, and in the end, in the
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end, dog, you know, like andwe've talked about this on the
cast but like, you get to apoint, and hopefully you get to
a point in your practicum orinternship experience where you
have so, so differentiatedyourself that you can't compare
yourself to another student.
Yeah, other student, yeah, thatlike you're, you're, you're so
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different and you have suchownership of your style and your
approach that that you youcan't say like, oh, yeah, you
know, like suze is better thanme, like, the only thing you can
say is oh, man, like she doesthings differently than I do.
Man, that's the life or styleit doesn't fit for, but it seems
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like it works for her.
I think that's a natural partof like practicum and internship
is that I think in practicumthere's a lot of comparisons,
you know there's a lot of it hasto be.
There's a lot of like, oh man,especially like, and you know,
I'm seeing the best of the bestclients and I have the best of
the best supervisor, and youknow, I'm just getting this rich
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experience.
And you have another studentwho's like you know their
supervisor.
I haven't seen the client inweeks.
Yeah, man, their supervisor'snot present.
You know they're having thishorrible experience, you know,
and it's a lot of like, oh, I'mnot going to be as good of a
clinician as you know Susan'sgoing to be as good of a
clinician as you know susan'sgoing to be, because susan's
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getting everything you know,she's got a good supervisor,
she's got tape, she's got, yeah,everything you know.
And then you know, internshiptwo happens and then it's like,
oh, like, I can still getsomething from my experience,
and it doesn't mean that I'mbetter than or less than susan.
We just have a differentexperience.
Maybe my experience is what itis because I can handle what it
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is.
Maybe I'm just like, maybe Ijust see things competitively,
maybe way more than my facultydoes, but I think they are
low-key, competitive as well,maybe not.
Anyway, I see it as like I know.
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Okay, first off, just a littlehumble brag.
Yeah, Go ahead, man, do yourthing, we've won.
Yeah, we're going through thisphase where we're counting the
humble brags that you have.
So I just want you to know thisis going on behind your back,
so I'm going to edit this out,but go ahead and tell us what
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your echo daughter program haswon.
Tell us, go ahead, hold on, letme cue the music real quick.
Okay, go ahead.
We won the Excellence inTeaching Award for the past two
years, or every two years forthe past 12 years.
I'm just saying you don't, youdon't get that, you don't, you
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don't get that by by, by readingPowerPoint.
It's all I'm saying.
Yep, that's all I'm saying, youknow.
And so when I look in the roomand I'm sitting at the table and
I'm like you know, teacher,teacher, teacher of the year,
future teacher of the year,future teacher of the year,
teacher of the year, you know,like there's something inside of
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me that goes Thank goodness wepaid some people under the table
, thank goodness we're justadmitting students willy-nilly
to bolster our, our financial.
No, that's not what I was gonnasay, I mean, that does help it,
cushions for sure.
Yeah, yeah, that's a securitycushion, when you know is fixed,
yes, um, but, but.
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But I'm assuming we would havewon it anyway.
Sure, you know, um, sure,uh-huh, no, but it does, it does
make you go, like it does makeyou go, you know.
Like, if I know, okay, I teachmy students every other semester
, yeah, and I know next semesterI gotta hand them off to dr
leonard and dr cho and dr nivore, dr sun, you know, if I know I
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gotta do that, then I want toprepare them to where, when they
get to that next class, like,my faculty isn't looking at me
like, would you do less?
Yeah, like, yeah, what?
What did you do less?
Yeah, you were asleep at thewheel.
Yeah, like, why don't they knowtheories?
Yeah, why don't they understandthe concepts?
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Yes, why don't they understandtheoretical orientation?
But that is's the undercurrentin every program.
I know we got to wrap up herepretty soon, but that's the
undercurrent in every program.
I think the students come in andI don't know I'm not saying
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that, oh, they don't give usenough credit, you know, because
that's not what we're lookingfor, but like, I think they
don't see it, because they're,you know, they're just trying to
survive.
They're going to do theirexperience.
They're just trying to survive,yeah, man.
But what's happening behind thecurtain is to know how to
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process a group experience.
And they better, and they aregoing to be completely in
control of their knowledge andemotions and the process.
They're going to really get it,their you know knowledge and
emotions and the process.
You know they're gonna, they'regonna really get it right.
So I don't have to worry aboutwhat booze is doing in group
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class, because I know he got usright.
He got us, he got us, that's itright.
He got us, yeah, he got us.
Man, and we all, we all havekpis, we all do.
Because we all have KPIs, weall do.
We have performance indicators.
We all have these things.
We're tracking for K-CREP.
You know if you're accredited,yeah.
If you're accredited, yeah,yeah, if you're accredited, if
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you're not accredited, yeah,good luck with your six-shooter
in the Wild Wild West.
It's hard to get accredited, man.
I'm not like poo-pooing onprograms, but like, yeah, but
there's a difference between anaccredited program and a not
accredited program.
I don't think.
I don't think people reallyunderstand the vastness of that
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difference, the chasm thatexists, yeah, with that, and one
is not better than the other,kind of, well, yeah, I mean, it
is for like, for a momentum.
No, not just that, I meanlegitimately for like licensure
now for licensure, yeah for sure, for sure.
Um, anyway, anyway, I justthink that there's this iron
sharpen this iron mentality.
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You know that.
I think that you know it turnsit into competition.
But it's not like this kind ofmeathead competition.
It's like everybody is, likeyou know, kind of on the same
page.
Yeah, you know, and just thefull circle.
That's why it's so hard to hirefaculty.
That's why it's so hard to hirefaculty.
That's why it's so hard to hireLike, are you a good culture
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fit?
Yeah, you know.
Are you a good teacher man?
So like, the interview processfor a faculty is like an all-day
thing.
You know, like you bring threefaculty on campus and they're
there from.
I remember when I taught at inMonroe it was like a two-day
ordeal.
I had to sleep in a hotel thatnight.
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Yeah, man, you know.
Yeah, man, yeah it's.
You know they really vet youbecause once they hire you it's
not there is no, you know, likeyou could that person can be a
part of your faculty for thenext 30 years.
You know, and if you don't likethem, you know, like, yeah,
you're going to get that facultymember is going to get squeezed
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out.
The students, the students, thestudents are going to squeeze
them out With those studentevaluations.
Man, squeeze them out, right,yeah.
And then look at us, we'redoing another faculty search,
another faculty search.
You know, yeah, like there, wegot to convince somebody to keep
the line open.
You know, meanwhile you'reteaching overloads, and I'm not
trying to complain, I'm justsaying that, like that, like
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dark, there's a lot that goes in.
Yep to you able to sit and like, think about this as, like I
need to do my job because I'mhanding these students off to
another faculty members, one andthen two.
I need to do my job because,like you know, like these are
real people who have like dreamsand goals and actually want to
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like be, be good.
But they don't know, yeah, in away, yeah, this is this is very
much so the beginning.
You know to like, there, youknow, this is like the jumping
off point.
You know, like, man, after thisdegree, I'm finally going to be
able to make enough money tofeed my family to, you know, buy
that house, that we wanted totransition out of this house.
So you know, whatever you know.
So, like you, you know, yeah,man, I'm, there's a part of me
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we can, we can wrap it up herepretty soon, but like there's a
part of me that's like a littlenervous about, about this is the
first time that, like you,should be burnt because you suck
, man, you do jesus, you do likelike it's, it's uh, and you
know, you do.
You know why?
Because you haven't taught whatwas the last time you handled
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the spontaneity, the randomnessof a class held, held attention
in front of people for threehours, man, last time you did
that, last time I taught apracticum class, practicum and
internship class, man, thatdon't count.
Yeah, that's the last time Idid.
No, no, no, no, no, I'm talking, I'm talking, hey, I'm, I'm
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talking.
Lecture, legit, legit, legit.
Nervous about that man, yeah,legit.
Nervous about, like man, whenwas the last time I had to
lecture in front of a class?
Right, that's okay, that's okay, that's not.
You know what, like, don't, no,I see it in all seriousness,
all seriousness.
No, no, no, I'm being seriousright now.
No, no, I'm serious, I'mserious, listen, I'm serious.
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Jeez, don't worry, papa's gonnacare for you.
Big big brother's got you setup.
Man, big brother's got you setup.
I got big big brother got youhis lecture notes and
powerpoints and his and and whatelse he got you.
What else he gave you?
Yeah, when you open that carepackets, I sent you an email,
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yeah, yeah, uh-huh.
Yeah, it was an.
It was an empty box.
Yeah, yeah, empty box.
Yeah, no see, you can't evenopen email.
Oh, man, big brother gonna helpyou out, bro, now, hey, bro,
hey, now, seriously, not justlike I'm not nervous about the
material at all.
What I'm nervous about is likethe stuff that happens in the
classroom, like, oh man, thestudent's energy levels dropping
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.
Can I be aware of that, youknow?
Like the, you know like, oh,the students need a break, you
know, and they cannot be awareof what I'm feeling.
It's like I'm a notoriousnon-breaker, notorious,
notorious.
I got you.
I got you for three hours,brother, look, oh, yeah, I got
stuff.
I got stuff I need to cover.
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Like you're trapped in herewith me.
Yeah, no, I'm trying to getthose comp scores up and so that
when I meet with thosestakeholders, engobino water
breaks.
I got you for three hours.
Oh yeah, you're an adult, pickthe section you want to miss and
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go wee, wee over there like,nah, I can't break.
You're an adult, pick thesection you want to miss and go
wee, wee over there.
Nah, I can't break.
When is there going to be a lowin the importance of the
information?
No, no, all of it.
Hey, you get those emails fromstudents that's like, hey, um,
so I can't, you can't gauge, youcan't gauge online program
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emails in an on campus programemail.
Hey, dr Dawson, how importantis today?
Dog dog online campus students.
Online students online studentswould be like a spaceship just
landed in my front lawn.
My dog was abducted.
My dog was abducted.
My wife was dissected.
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Can I have an extension?
Are you emailing when are youemailing from Zorgborg?
Where are you at?
Can I trust that this is evenyou, zorgborg Like?
Where are you at?
What is that?
Can I trust that this is evenyou?
Like?
What is happening?
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Man?
Oh my God, all of this stuffhappened and the first thought
was oh, let me email Dr Austinabout an extension.
Let me email Dr Austin.
What I appreciate the cognizanceyou have.
Nah, man, I do need to bebetter about taking breaks, and
sometimes my students.
I just see and I'm like y'all,y'all, okay, can we take a break
?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'lltake a break.
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Everybody jumps up.
I'm like my bad, I was havingfun.
Yeah, man, talking about anovice.
Yeah, man, come over, thank you.
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All right, man, all right,linear regressions, man, I mean
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I gotta go, I gotta go.
Um, yeah, let's just go checkout.
Man, I gotta go talk to theuniversity.
Hey, hey, will you be there topick to pick?
Uh, keying up?
No, no, you're gonna miss thepick up.
I'll be in class, I'll be inclass, but I'm gonna go in
between classes and say what'sup?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they jump back what's up?
What time does he get off?
Um, I don't know.
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Wow, father of the year, nah,dog, we are father, he said.
He said this is the first timethat I've been away from him.
I don't even know when he'spooping.
When does he get off?
I don't know he's going to bewaiting outside of school, like
us, daddy, nah, nah, man, but welucky, we have so many friends
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that go to that school and so wejust text them.
I've never been in a pick, apickup line or drop-off line,
okay.
So it's like, how long does ittake?
I don't know, y'all don't havelike a job, like a pickup
procedure.
I think, yeah, there's a looseprocedure.
Okay, oh, I'm sure it's likeofficial, but I'm not reading
that.
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Wow, so I'll text a friend.
You know, hey, what time do youusually leave?
You know, wow, and our pickupline man, nah, they see people
like we got a parking lot thatwe all sit in and it's lined up
in rows and if the person in thefront doesn't leave for like
2.30, people start honking.
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Like people are like yo move,move your ass.
Wow, yeah, people start honking.
People are like yo move, moveyour ass.
Yeah, man, I've seen it towhere the second person in line
goes around the first person Ifyou ain't moving, I'm moving.
And the first person's like, oh, I'm sorry, they're reading a
romance novel hanging out.
Yeah, man, they catch people forcutting in line, catch people,
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catch people, man hanging out.
You know, yeah, yeah, it's.
Yeah, man, they catch peoplefor cutting in line.
You know, I, catch people,catch people, man, they catch
they will.
They will stand in front ofyour car like, hey, the line
starts back there.
No, the line starts back there.
Yeah, man, teachers got likewalkie talkies, you know.
We got like the sheriff'soffice, like out there, yeah,
man, it's.
Yeah, bro, that's what you getwhen your kids go to a gated
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private school, when you're justmaking so much money I couldn't
even finish it.
Oh man, we're so broke.
We're.
So when you, the elite, yeah,when you're in the elite class
of Lafayette, yeah, it's, youknow.
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Anyway, all right, bro, I reallygot to go, man, I got to go
teach these.
I got a lecture today.
I'm pressed for time.
What kind of lecture are youdoing, man?
I'm teaching theories.
Today, bro, I'm teachingtheories.
So you're teaching theoriesthis semester.
There's this semester, who died?
Who died?
I'm not you in the theory, oh no, I've been teaching there for a
while.
We had a fact, we had a facultymember leave and I was just
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senior enough for somebody to gowhat class you want to teach?
And I was like I mean I didn'tget that option.
I mean, if y'all going to ask,I mean I did, I did help write
the theories.
I mean my name is in the book,it is in the book.
I mean I don't know, I don'tknow, I don't want to make this
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choice for y'all.
Hey, I'm not trying to.
You know, I don't want to Justlisten, just listen, I'll teach
you anything.
Yeah, I'm here, I'm a teamplayer.
I, I'm a team player, I teachanything, yeah, but, but If
theories is open, yeah, yeah,we're all chasing theories.
Man, let me in and let's seehow the scores do.
I think I'm too competitive,though.
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Yeah, seriously, seriously,because I do.
I'm not even competing againstother people, I'm competing
against cohorts.
Oh, yeah, yeah, man, I, oh yeah, like, yeah, I'm competing
against core.
Like, we'll get a cohort in.
I'll see the comp scores onresearch.
Uh-huh, you know the class thatI teach and I look at the cohort
that's sitting in front of meand I go, you know what dog, I
think I could push this cohortto age you ever get them to?
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Did you?
Did you ever?
Did you ever like not fail, butlike?
Did you ever like some of yourstudents like drop points in a
course that you were teachingand you had to like reevaluate
what you were doing?
Um, like, do you ever have tobe like whoa, yeah, the
multicultural class?
Okay, yeah, multicultural class.
Yeah, yeah, because, because,because I didn't, I didn't set
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it up, okay, you know, I likegot into it and it was more like
ethnicity education, okay, andthat's just, that's just not.
That's just not, it's nothelpful.
Yeah, it's not helpful.
And so we started doingsomething different, moved it to
a longer format in the springand, uh, so far so good.
Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, thathappens.
The thing is I don't care, likeI don't care if my students go
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higher and research than they docareer, yeah, or they go hard,
like I care, like last year'scohort scored this in research,
this year cohort, I want to keepus like, yeah, around the same
number, around the same number.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, like that's how I knowthat, like I'm doing, I'm
teaching it consistently, yeah,and you know the way I'm
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teaching is kind of standardized, you know.
So same thing with theoriesyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a legit thing, man, it's alegit thing Not teaching for the
test but, like you know,teaching pretty standardized to
where the students really canget a balance between, like,
real world stuff that they'llsee in, like you know, practice,
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and also like some of the stuffthat's like going to probably
be on the test.
Well, yeah, and also also, doc,like I feel like such a big
commitment to be able to getstudents to pass the NCE or the
MFT the first time.
Yeah, yeah, it's 200 andsomething dollars.
I don't, I don't, I don't want,I don't want to.
I don't want them to feel liketheir money is wasted man.
(52:49):
Their money is wasted man.
Yes, like if you, if you haveto buy the nce again.
Yes, if you, if you take thence and it's totaling 400.
Yeah, man, to me I feel likethat's a failure on my part.
Yeah, especially if you feltone of the sections I teach.
Well, yeah, man, I had a client.
I had a client who was atherapist, who was a single mom,
and she, she felt the nce inthe first time and just, you
know the, the, the sadness andthe, the.
(53:11):
You know the, you know the.
How am I going to pay for thisagain?
You know like, uh, and so shehad to wait and you lose money
to lose money.
You're losing exactly becauseshe can't get paid the true
payment of a popc.
You know like, oh, man, yeah,yeah, yeah, anyway, all right,
let me check out real quick.
Hey, man, uh, we got, we got,uh, we got a kindergartner man
(53:34):
and we got a.
We got a second grader bro,today was their first full week.
No, yeah, this week is theirfirst full week, man, and they
already got homework.
Already got homework, man,crazy, yeah it man.
Yeah, this school really pushesthem into stuff.
So got that going on, man.
We got the walking pneumoniahappening in our house right now
(53:55):
.
Yeah, we were supposed to go toa birthday party last week but
Kyra was sick.
Like Kyra took a nap in themiddle of the day.
That's what we knew.
We were like, oh, oh yeah,you're not feeling good.
Yeah, something's not right.
You know, yeah, man, and youknow semester's starting, man.
So you know, just lookingforward to some new changes, man
(54:15):
, that's it, man.
That's all I got.
Hey, hey, hey, I'm strugglingon this.
No sugar thing, dog.
Oh, yeah, I started this week.
Okay, yeah, I feel better than Iever felt in a long time, but
I'm struggling.
It's hard to like.
(54:35):
Sometimes I'm just like alright, I bought a bag of chocolate
chips Just to satiate myself.
I feel like a fiend here.
Have you talked to your sponsor?
Yeah, seriously, but for real,you just don't notice it.
You don't notice how bad it is.
Yeah, stop, yeah, oh, actually,yeah, like, yeah, I've never
(54:59):
felt like.
Now I feel like.
When I wake up, it's like, oh,I'm up, I'm up.
You know, yeah, without reallytoo much coffee, I always felt
groggy and tired.
My body, while I was sleeping,was trying to process the
chocolate chip cookies I ate thenight before.
Anyway, man, hey, thanks forbeing patient with us.
(55:23):
We're going to be moreconsistent.
Now that the semester started,we got to find some new date and
time to record this thing, yeah, now that you're teaching the
real thing, now that I got toactually be present on campus at
some point.
So, yeah, man, alright, cool,we'll see y'all next week, thank
you.
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