February 10, 2025 • 28 mins
Have you ever wondered if the chaos of academic life could lead you to the unexpected world of online toe picture sales? Join us on a laughter-filled journey as we discuss the hilarious mayhem of coordinating our packed schedules while playfully considering the end of our podcasting days. Balancing the demands of an associate dean, meetings with students and faculty, and the bittersweet anticipation of my tenure's end, we find joy and humor in the chaos. As I prepare to mentor one final cohort, the love for engaging with our academic community shines brightly. And who knew that a quirky business idea involving toe pics could be so amusing?
Take a nostalgic stroll down memory lane with us as we reminisce about the contrasting parenting styles of Mama and Daddy. Experience Mama's formidable discipline and Daddy's quiet authority through our vivid storytelling, laughter, and relatable childhood tales. We also explore the art of multitasking, featuring a quirky fundraising initiative, Juice Pinky Toe Pics, supporting my son's club team. The episode wraps with a lighthearted promise to reconnect soon, leaving listeners with a mix of laughter, reflection, and heartwarming family memories. Tune in for an amusing, heartfelt exploration of life's many roles!
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hey Jeeves, hey man, what, hey man?
Mm-hmm, how you doing, bruh?
Bruh Doing?
Okay man, welcome back to thecast.
Welcome back to the cast man.
What, hey man?
How you doing bro Bro Doing?
Okay man, welcome back to thecast.
Welcome back to the cast, man.
It's been a while.
It's been a while.
I know y'all thought we finallydid it.
We was like we almost, wealmost.
There was a moment, yeah, therewas a moment where we were like
, uh, should we just go aheadand end this?
(00:46):
Should we just stop doing this?
Yeah, let's go ahead and end itfor them boys.
What happened, g, what happened?
Because it's been two months.
What happened?
I've been here and I've beenpatiently waiting and you've
been avoiding me.
That's not how I see it,because I remember several times
saying we need to cast.
(01:07):
And hey, man, like, can you doit on this date?
And you'd be like, yeah, Icould do it on that date.
And then that day came andyou're like, hey, um, wow, that
was one time, one time.
Every time I call you, andyou're like I'm just too busy,
I'm just a busy boy, I don'tknow.
I just want the listeners toknow.
I just want the listeners toknow.
Attempts were made and he chosehimself yeah, hola, just so you
(01:31):
know.
Just so you know, hola, just soyou know.
All I know is that I've beenhere patiently waiting.
There's been fans chanting,waiting for us to.
You know what were theychanting?
Chanting waiting for us to.
You know what were theychanting?
What were they chanting?
Loser, that's the call.
(01:55):
That's when you know you needto.
You just hear that own repeatin your head.
You're like I need to dosomething, I need to achieve, I
need to accomplish.
As soon as you hear that chant,you come running.
Do something I need to achieve,I need to accomplish.
As soon as you hear that shit,you come running down like it's
Avengers Endgame yeah, man, yeah, man, nah, man, nah, nah, nah.
What's been going on for you,bro?
(02:16):
Like, what's been happening?
Give us the quick and dirtyversion of what's been happening
in your life, man, because Iknow you're a busy boy.
You got version of what's beenhappening in your life, man,
because I know you're a busy boy.
You got a netting meeting at 10o'clock.
You know we got 15 minutes todo this cast.
Like, just give me the quickand dirty version of what's been
going on.
(02:36):
I mean, honestly, I but I'vebeen trying to just chill man, I
mean I don't know what else to,I don't know how else to put it
you know, like, you know what Imean, dog, because, okay,
there's no secret, if you're oneof my students, you know, like
I haven't been showing up toclass.
He hasn't been showing up toclass.
Yeah, no, dog, honestly, I'vebeen meeting with a bunch of
(02:59):
students.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean like, ifyou look at my calendar, it's
just student meeting afterstudent meeting, and like it's
not even Is it all graduatestudents?
Or is it like, yeah, allgraduate students, some
undergraduate students, you know, that want to meet and talk.
You know, but like, so,students, faculty, you know
staff, yeah, but it's like onehour after the next.
(03:21):
You know, to the point to wheresometimes people don't think
I'm in my office, but I'mactually in my office meeting
with a student.
Oh, yeah, you know, we talkabout everything man, clients,
future, all of that stuff andI'm like, doc, that's what I'm
here for.
I mean, that's why I love doingthe job, you know.
But you know it keeps you fromdoing other stuff.
(03:44):
Yeah, yeah, you know what Imean.
Yeah, for sure.
So you have the nine to five.
What do you call it?
Yeah, the nine to five and thefive to nine?
Yeah, just to, like, you know,get stuff done because you know
other students need things, theadministrative side of it.
But it's just my last semesterman as associate dean of it.
(04:06):
But, uh, it's just my lastsemester man, that's associate
dean.
So, um, I know it's going to beone of those days that you're
gonna feel we're all upset about, because now you can't call
yourself associate dean.
You can't.
You can't put that on youremail tagline.
Yeah, it was, it was a title,it was a title.
I know that's what it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonnafeel a little empty, you know,
yeah, uh, so now you're gonna beselling pictures of you, of
your big toes, on the internetjust to just to recoup, just to
(04:28):
recoup that salary you'remissing out on.
We both, we both know, we bothknow what toe would make us the
most money.
It definitely ain't that old,old, scrunched up pinky toe that
you got.
That's the one.
That's the one cornfield ain'tgot no toenail on it.
(04:55):
That's the one that's been insoccer boots for years.
I mean not even on some sexualstuff, just on some side.
So attraction, circus typestuff.
Yeah, that's sexual stuff rightthere.
Yeah, that's definitely thatpinky toe sitting in them shoes
as we speak, like what the fuckI couldn't get the, why I
(05:24):
couldn't get the wide?
Yeah, that pinky toe definitelycalled in a supervisor.
Yeah, no man.
But look, hey, I get one morecohort, you know, I get one more
cohort that act up, one morecohort that you know, make it a
little bit harder than I need itto be here.
And, yeah, man, a little pinkytoe about to be a star.
(05:46):
Yeah, about to be a star man.
Yeah, but no man.
Hey, hey, hey, that's it, manRaising these kids.
I mean, you know, I think likethe hiatus was because it's
Thanksgiving, christmas, startof the semester, like you know,
(06:08):
it's like and I think I don'tthink students really realize
this but we don't get work doneduring the semester, we get work
done during the breaks.
I feel like I'm like swimmingin a pool with a like I don't
know man, some type of likeharness attached to me where,
like, I can't really go forward.
(06:28):
Know man, some type of likeharness attached to me where,
like, I can't really go forward?
You know, those pool, thoseinfinity pools, or no, not those
pools that like have thecurrent pushing towards you, you
know, and you're just like kindof swimming in one spot.
You know, like that's kind ofhow the the beginning of the
semester sometimes feels.
You know like, yeah, emailscoming in, students trying to
set up triadic sessions.
You know with you like there'sno time or space in your
(06:50):
schedule, everything's kind ofup in the air.
But you know what, to me it's alittle bit like remember when
you had a new kid, a new baby.
You're so overwhelmed.
It kind of it kind of putseverything into focus, you know.
(07:13):
And then there's things that youjust don't care about anymore.
Not not that you don't careabout it, it's that you just
can't care about.
You know what?
You know what the thing thatyou, that you, I lose track of
the most is changing the airfilters out in the house.
You know, like with the AC Iwas like why are we so sick?
(07:33):
Oh, because the air filter islike Bayou Brown.
You know what I mean, lookinglike the chaffalaya out there,
that gator green.
You know what it is dog.
You know what the first thingthat goes yeah, brushing,
brushing your teeth.
No, man, oh, my bad, I'm sorry.
(07:59):
Now, here it is doc, it's emailsfrom students that could be
questions in class.
First thing to go.
It's the first thing to go,emails from students that could
(08:21):
be questions in class.
You know and I'm not trying tobe a jerk, you know what I mean.
But like, yeah, you know, likeyou know, I would much prefer to
try to create this dope lecturein class and like facilitate
this learning experience thanattend to this email.
Yeah, that you can talk to meabout in class.
(08:43):
I'm not going to email you back.
Yeah, and it's not me beingmean, it's me trying to
prioritize one thing for youover another thing for you.
Yep, yep, you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, no, it's me beingmean.
Yeah, I see it come through andI'm like nope, nah bro, nah, man
, you know, hey bro, I'm tryingmy best over here, man.
(09:05):
Nah, hey bro, I'm trying mybest over here, man.
No, not me, that daddy notfussing, I'm not fussing, I'm
not trying my best.
I'm giving them a good old,lukewarm effort.
Yeah, have you hit your kids?
Have you hit your kids withthat daddy not fussing?
Nope, nope, but I have.
I have hit my kids with comeover here, I'm not going to hit
you, come over and then theycome over here and I'm like I
(09:33):
don't, there, it is, there it is.
Nah, let me call those people.
Nah, I don't, I don't hit mykids, man, I don't, uh, at least
not close.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not.
Yeah, come on, man, we callthem, we call them papas in our
house.
Yeah, that's what we call them,man, I'm not hiding behind
anything, no, but just for thelistener's sake, just so you
(09:56):
understand.
So me and my brother, when wewere growing up, I mean we got
whoopings.
We didn't get beat, we gotwhoopings.
It was both psychological andphysical.
Yeah, you know what I mean,because you get the, you, you
get the.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen, hey.
I remember one time where wewere doing something outside
(10:18):
that we weren't supposed to do,I don't know, and we were
walking into the house like wewere walking mama.
Mama was like boys get in thehouse.
And we were walking into thehouse and you walked in there
first and Mama had the door openand you had to walk under her
left arm to get through thethreshold of the door Because
she opened the door.
I got trauma block, this.
(10:39):
I don't remember.
The minute you walked into thehouse.
Mama hit you so hard, you wentcrashing into the wall.
So I looked at her and shelooked at me like get your ass
(11:00):
in the house.
And I was like I saw youabsolutely battered on the
ground.
I swear, I swear, I swear I'lldo anything if you don't hit me
(11:21):
like that.
Please.
I was bargaining.
Please don't hit me that hard,like I know I'm gonna get hit.
(11:44):
I know I'm walking into thisand I'm not trying to shirk it.
I will walk under your.
I know I'm walking into this, Iknow what's happening and I'm
not trying to shirk it.
I will walk under your arm.
I know the hit is, but thatheart is like that is unhinged.
I was like is he even breathing?
And you know why, dog.
You know why that probablyhappened, bro.
Probably because we was outsidedoing something we wasn't
(12:06):
supposed to do, exactly Knockingon neighbors' doors, running
away, you know, throwing rocksat cars, or something.
She called us once.
She called us twice.
A neighbor called her and saidhey, come, get your boys outside
, boys outside.
And she told us to come in.
And we were like no, that wasthe, that was the, that was the
(12:31):
now.
Now, now you're making me looklike I can't, I can't parent now
.
Now you're making a bad example.
Yeah, so now you have to pay.
Yeah, and usually, usually Ilike roll with it.
Hey, so you saw me.
I just told that story to thelisteners and that was the truth
.
Now, to my, to my kids, I tellthem yeah, and Uncle Jude flew
through the wall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,mama hit him through the
(12:58):
sheetrock.
Yeah, but here's the oppositethough.
Here's the opposite Because youknow, when I made that joke
earlier about Daddy not fussing,it's because, like, daddy never
spanked us at all, yeah, ever,yeah, not once.
You know what I mean.
But mama would hit you with thepsychological spanking.
Yeah, you know, like you knowwhat I mean.
(13:19):
She'd be like, hey, hey, you'renot listening.
How can I know that I can trusty'all to be safe if you're not
listening?
Yeah, and so you know, and itsticks, we're going to have to
spank y'all when we get home,and it's 7.30 in the morning,
(13:39):
yeah, and so you got the wholeday.
I'm not telling you exactlywhen it's going to happen, but
just know.
But at some point throughoutthe day, that whole day, it's
going to happen, but, but atsome point throughout the day.
Yeah, you know, that whole dayit's like you need me to shine
your shoes.
I can listen.
You don't even have to pressthe gas pedal.
I can pick up the front end ofthe car and judo because we
don't want you to waste gas orjust run you to I just harvest
(14:02):
some coffee beans for you.
I can go crush them up and makeyou some.
Uh, yeah, yes, ma'am, I went allthe way to arabia.
I know I'm, I know I'm seven,but I just thought out a job
application, just because youknow, I'm just trying to move us
out the hood and it's time tocontribute.
You know, I felt, yeah, I justfelt called.
Yeah, I just felt called andI'm answering the call.
Yeah, you know, I just want youto know I'm putting my weight.
(14:24):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So whatever you were thinkingearlier, that thought doesn't
need to be thunk anymore.
Just yep, just so we're clear.
Yeah, just so we're you don't.
You don't have to at this point.
At this point, it's a choice tobeat me when we get home.
Because, yeah, it's a choiceyou're making.
(14:46):
At some point you have tothought stop.
At some point you have to spitin the soup.
At some point you got to earlyrecollection, yep.
Desensitization, yes, ma'am.
Somatic cleansing, rapid eyemovement Yep, all of that.
(15:07):
What else you need?
Yeah, yeah, oh, get the belt,okay, yes, okay, wow.
She is really still goingthrough with this.
Wow, wow, you upstairs gettingabout like, wow, wow, she's got
an iron wheel.
So she's got an iron wheel.
(15:28):
This is what it's like to beunloved wow, wow, anyway, man,
let me, let me, let me finishsharing this, bro.
So, uh, I mean, you know that hedidn't have the daddy came in
dog and didn't have to say much.
Yeah, you didn't have to sayanything.
(15:49):
He would sit down and he'd getreal quiet, like he would talk
so low that you'd have to getclose, yeah, to hear him.
Yeah, you know, and you hadalready gotten the whooping, so
you were already a littleskittish about intimacy.
Yep, any closeness he can grabme.
I, I'm in his reach, you know,and he'd sit there and he'd be
(16:10):
like.
So your mama told me while I wasoutside working, woke up at 530
in the morning.
I'm sorry, hold on, hold on,hold on.
Let me get the concrete out ofmy eye.
Hold on, yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Could you come closer?
Yeah, I just inhaled a lot ofconcrete dust today while I was
(16:35):
working to make sure you went toprivate school.
Hold on, give me one second,yeah, yeah, so, anyway, jesus.
So, while that was happening,your mama told me you weren't
listening this whole time andyou start crying, bro, and you
(16:58):
start shaking and you'd be likeno, no, no, no, daddy, not
fussing, I'm not fussing, thisisn't me fussing In the ultimate
gaslighting, because he'd belike it sounds like you are
fussing.
I don't know.
This is as close to warfare asI've ever gotten.
This is classic.
This is I hear the bulletswhizzing.
(17:20):
This is oh, man, bro, anyway,man, anyway, bro, yeah, yeah, I
mean, yeah, sorry for the hiatus, man, uh, you know, we're gonna
try to be a little bit moreconsistent from now on.
Uh, at the at the very least,once a month, at the very least,
(17:41):
at the very least, I'm aimingfor twice a month at least, man.
But you know, you know what's,you know what's tough dog is,
because the people that listento the podcast are the people we
take care of.
Yeah, yeah, you know what Imean.
You know the people we're with,the people we hang out with,
the people we, you know, workwith and work for.
(18:03):
Well, there's some people thatare like we had.
There's a lot of people indifferent countries that listen
to this cast, that, like I'vebeen kind of chiming in, like
hey, uh, in their own language,where is the cast?
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, and I have to communicatewith them, saying I'm here.
Jude isn't present, though, so,wow, okay, hey, man, on a side
note.
On a side note, I want to speakclearly here.
(18:25):
Amen, stop sending me y'allsupervisees to train.
Listen, I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of it.
No, man, because you, you atull, uh and and boosh and the
rest of the faculty member overthere.
This is to y'all.
(18:46):
This is directly to the Listen.
I'm not a janitor.
Oh yeah, I'm not a janitor.
You know what I mean.
What else you got, Huh, whatelse you got?
It's just, you know, you givethem to me, because I feel like
we're saying you grade A qualityclinicians, oh yeah, but
(19:11):
there's all y'all stuff in thereI have to muck out and clear
out.
No, I'm sorry about that.
Yeah, I get it.
Or do better?
Yeah, no, I get it, I get it.
Yeah, I get it.
No, but for real, man, how's thejob?
First semester?
Last semester was the firstsemester and your second
(19:33):
semester, oh, yeah, I'm gonnadie here.
Yeah, this is.
Yeah, this is the best place.
That bad.
Oh man, like, I'm gonna be inmy office like, and and lifespan
is with the.
Yeah, it's still got you.
What class?
What class did they got you?
No man, it feels like jesuswhen you describe the classes
(19:53):
you're teaching.
It's like it's like when ayoung soccer player first gets
to the first team yeah, and belike, welcome to the game.
Number 75.
Yeah, that's like number 111.
Like 111.
Yeah, I've never seen threedigits.
(20:14):
His jersey had to be extra large, just in the back.
The front is medium but theback is extra fabric, running
around with a cape.
Nah, man, nah, it's great bro.
Like it's.
Yeah, man, it's great man.
It's like, yeah, one of thebest places I've ever worked at.
I don't, I don't.
This is the first time in mylife I've had that combination
(20:34):
of, like work and family andstructure and like all that
stuff you know.
So, yeah, it's great, it'sgreat, man, it's great, it's
great.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.
But, but also at the same time,yeah, it's it's weird to be in a
place where my students are inmy office and it's not
(20:56):
irritating at all.
It's just like for the pastthree years working at Grand
Canyon University.
I'm not seeing students, Ican't even.
I'm not seeing even mypracticum and internship classes
.
Like I meet with them on aweekly basis, but like it's
different when you meet with astudent for practicum and
(21:17):
internship and also you see themin the clinic, you know, and
you see them taking their clientback, you know, and they look
at you like, hey, I'm gonna talkabout this one in internship.
You know it's like, oh, okay,cool.
And I'm like, oh, I got, I got,I have 30 minutes.
Let me watch that session.
You know, yeah, you just feelmore part of life.
Yeah, it's like you're a partof it.
(21:37):
Yeah, you're like more, yeah,and it's dope when you have
students that like understandthat, buy into it and contribute
to it.
Yep, you know, like theyrecognize like, oh, this, this
feels like you know we'rebuilding a community or
something.
Yeah, yeah.
And then there's like theconnection to the alumni too.
You know, like we talked about,we talked about your supervisee
(22:00):
in in a meeting that we had,because somebody was from Texas
and we were just saying how like, yeah, our, our, our students
whenever they move to whereverthey're at, like they're
connected with some of our, ourpeople to supervise, you know,
so it's like we're caring forthem, even when they graduate
from the program.
You know, yeah, that's how itshould be, man, yeah, yeah, yeah
(22:23):
, yeah.
Is there anything you want tosay to students before we wrap
this up?
Anything, yeah, anything I wantto say to my students?
Yeah, um, no, no, no, no.
Anything you want to say to mystudents?
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
Anything you want to say to mystudents, to your students?
Yeah, I know you don't knowthem, but what advice you got
for them in this time?
Whatever is broken can be fixedwith time and therapy.
(22:46):
So, whatever you're goingthrough right now in any of his
classes, anything can be fixedwith time and therapy.
Okay, so, if you need help,reach out to the community of
clinicians out there that canreally help you to like unpack
some of the stuff you'relearning in his classes.
Listen, I'm not fussing Again,I'm not fussing, I'm just saying
(23:08):
.
I'm just saying that, whateveryou feel, because I know you may
be in it and you may notunderstand how broken you are,
but you are a broken, lost soulif you've taken some of his
classes.
So just look in the mirror andrepeat after me I'm broken and
I'm lost.
I'm broken, I'm lost and I needhelp.
(23:38):
All right, my students alreadyknow not to listen outside
voices, so we keep them isolated.
Yeah, it sounds mad abusive.
They don't have, they can'tcontact anybody outside of the
system.
They know that.
Hey, did you?
Did you sign the release form?
Yeah, it says that you cannotcreate any new relationships
after you enter into this.
(23:58):
So, yeah, especially if they'relicensed, you know you can
listen to anybody that'sunlicensed.
But, yeah, yeah, oh man, no,yeah, we're gonna come.
We're gonna come back with amore extensive version because
we got some stuff that you knowof want to talk about, about
internship students andpracticum students and some of
the stuff that we're seeing,because that's what I'm teaching
(24:19):
this semester.
I'm teaching internship andmulticultural, plus the book
that we're writing that's due inJuly.
We got to talk about that.
We got lots of stuff to talkabout.
That.
Man, we got lots of stuff totalk about.
Yeah, yeah, we got a couplestuff.
The article, the article wejust published.
Yep, yeah, there's a couple,there's a couple things, man,
yeah, it would be, it would becool if we had a student.
(24:41):
You know, come on the cast too.
Um, I mean ex-student, no,current student, you know,
whatever.
Uh, just to just to get like,maybe, a student's perspective.
You know, uh, we got someinterviews coming up too, you
know.
Uh, maybe we should get on that.
Uh, I'd love for booze to be apart of this, guys, but we
wouldn't get anything done.
(25:02):
So we need an hour and a half,yeah, yeah, anyway, but I gotta
go do some therapy.
What you got to meet withsomebody after this, I do.
Yeah, a student, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Uh-huh, are they waiting foryou right now?
Uh-huh, yeah, bring them in.
They're looking at me.
I saw the glass right now.
Right, yeah, I'm staring atthem back.
(25:32):
Yeah, I give them one of these,the two finger peace sign.
Give me a minute, give me aminute.
But it can also be like I'mgood, I'm good, come on in,
everything's good.
And so they open the door, butit's locked.
If they do pull on the handle,they can be out there, like what
is happening, and then I wavethem off.
(25:52):
Yeah, you got to keep them ontheir toes, yeah, and then I
just sit and wait for fiveminutes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why insome of our recording rooms I
move the camera, because you canhear like a little whirling
sound when you move the camera.
So I move the camera just sothat I know I'm always watching.
I'm always watching, daddy'salways there, big brother's
(26:15):
always watching.
Alright, anyway, be on thelookout for Juice Pinky Toe Pigs
.
We're going to be selling themto raise money for my son's club
team so you can get a two bytwo Polaroid.
It's club team, so you can geta 2x2 Polaroid.
It's going to cost you.
Anyway, alright, y'all, we'llsee y'all later At some point,
(26:43):
at some point this month.
Do, do, do, thank you.
Hey Jeeves, hey man, what, hey man?
Mm-hmm, how you doing, bruh?
Bruh Doing?
Okay man, welcome back to thecast.
Welcome back to the cast man.
What, hey man?
How you doing bro Bro Doing?
Okay man, welcome back to thecast.
Welcome back to the cast, man.
It's been a while.
It's been a while.
I know y'all thought we finallydid it.
We was like we almost, wealmost.
There was a moment, yeah, therewas a moment where we were like
, uh, should we just go aheadand end this?
(00:46):
Should we just stop doing this?
Yeah, let's go ahead and end itfor them boys.
What happened, g, what happened?
Because it's been two months.
What happened?
I've been here and I've beenpatiently waiting and you've
been avoiding me.
That's not how I see it,because I remember several times
saying we need to cast.
(01:07):
And hey, man, like, can you doit on this date?
And you'd be like, yeah, Icould do it on that date.
And then that day came andyou're like, hey, um, wow, that
was one time, one time.
Every time I call you, andyou're like I'm just too busy,
I'm just a busy boy, I don'tknow.
I just want the listeners toknow.
I just want the listeners toknow.
Attempts were made and he chosehimself yeah, hola, just so you
(01:31):
know.
Just so you know, hola, just soyou know.
All I know is that I've beenhere patiently waiting.
There's been fans chanting,waiting for us to.
You know what were theychanting?
Chanting waiting for us to.
You know what were theychanting?
What were they chanting?
Loser, that's the call.
(01:55):
That's when you know you needto.
You just hear that own repeatin your head.
You're like I need to dosomething, I need to achieve, I
need to accomplish.
As soon as you hear that chant,you come running.
Do something I need to achieve,I need to accomplish.
As soon as you hear that shit,you come running down like it's
Avengers Endgame yeah, man, yeah, man, nah, man, nah, nah, nah.
What's been going on for you,bro?
(02:16):
Like, what's been happening?
Give us the quick and dirtyversion of what's been happening
in your life, man, because Iknow you're a busy boy.
You got version of what's beenhappening in your life, man,
because I know you're a busy boy.
You got a netting meeting at 10o'clock.
You know we got 15 minutes todo this cast.
Like, just give me the quickand dirty version of what's been
going on.
(02:36):
I mean, honestly, I but I'vebeen trying to just chill man, I
mean I don't know what else to,I don't know how else to put it
you know, like, you know what Imean, dog, because, okay,
there's no secret, if you're oneof my students, you know, like
I haven't been showing up toclass.
He hasn't been showing up toclass.
Yeah, no, dog, honestly, I'vebeen meeting with a bunch of
(02:59):
students.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean like, ifyou look at my calendar, it's
just student meeting afterstudent meeting, and like it's
not even Is it all graduatestudents?
Or is it like, yeah, allgraduate students, some
undergraduate students, you know, that want to meet and talk.
You know, but like, so,students, faculty, you know
staff, yeah, but it's like onehour after the next.
(03:21):
You know, to the point to wheresometimes people don't think
I'm in my office, but I'mactually in my office meeting
with a student.
Oh, yeah, you know, we talkabout everything man, clients,
future, all of that stuff andI'm like, doc, that's what I'm
here for.
I mean, that's why I love doingthe job, you know.
But you know it keeps you fromdoing other stuff.
(03:44):
Yeah, yeah, you know what Imean.
Yeah, for sure.
So you have the nine to five.
What do you call it?
Yeah, the nine to five and thefive to nine?
Yeah, just to, like, you know,get stuff done because you know
other students need things, theadministrative side of it.
But it's just my last semesterman as associate dean of it.
(04:06):
But, uh, it's just my lastsemester man, that's associate
dean.
So, um, I know it's going to beone of those days that you're
gonna feel we're all upset about, because now you can't call
yourself associate dean.
You can't.
You can't put that on youremail tagline.
Yeah, it was, it was a title,it was a title.
I know that's what it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonnafeel a little empty, you know,
yeah, uh, so now you're gonna beselling pictures of you, of
your big toes, on the internetjust to just to recoup, just to
(04:28):
recoup that salary you'remissing out on.
We both, we both know, we bothknow what toe would make us the
most money.
It definitely ain't that old,old, scrunched up pinky toe that
you got.
That's the one.
That's the one cornfield ain'tgot no toenail on it.
(04:55):
That's the one that's been insoccer boots for years.
I mean not even on some sexualstuff, just on some side.
So attraction, circus typestuff.
Yeah, that's sexual stuff rightthere.
Yeah, that's definitely thatpinky toe sitting in them shoes
as we speak, like what the fuckI couldn't get the, why I
(05:24):
couldn't get the wide?
Yeah, that pinky toe definitelycalled in a supervisor.
Yeah, no man.
But look, hey, I get one morecohort, you know, I get one more
cohort that act up, one morecohort that you know, make it a
little bit harder than I need itto be here.
And, yeah, man, a little pinkytoe about to be a star.
(05:46):
Yeah, about to be a star man.
Yeah, but no man.
Hey, hey, hey, that's it, manRaising these kids.
I mean, you know, I think likethe hiatus was because it's
Thanksgiving, christmas, startof the semester, like you know,
(06:08):
it's like and I think I don'tthink students really realize
this but we don't get work doneduring the semester, we get work
done during the breaks.
I feel like I'm like swimmingin a pool with a like I don't
know man, some type of likeharness attached to me where,
like, I can't really go forward.
(06:28):
Know man, some type of likeharness attached to me where,
like, I can't really go forward?
You know, those pool, thoseinfinity pools, or no, not those
pools that like have thecurrent pushing towards you, you
know, and you're just like kindof swimming in one spot.
You know, like that's kind ofhow the the beginning of the
semester sometimes feels.
You know like, yeah, emailscoming in, students trying to
set up triadic sessions.
You know with you like there'sno time or space in your
(06:50):
schedule, everything's kind ofup in the air.
But you know what, to me it's alittle bit like remember when
you had a new kid, a new baby.
You're so overwhelmed.
It kind of it kind of putseverything into focus, you know.
(07:13):
And then there's things that youjust don't care about anymore.
Not not that you don't careabout it, it's that you just
can't care about.
You know what?
You know what the thing thatyou, that you, I lose track of
the most is changing the airfilters out in the house.
You know, like with the AC Iwas like why are we so sick?
(07:33):
Oh, because the air filter islike Bayou Brown.
You know what I mean, lookinglike the chaffalaya out there,
that gator green.
You know what it is dog.
You know what the first thingthat goes yeah, brushing,
brushing your teeth.
No, man, oh, my bad, I'm sorry.
(07:59):
Now, here it is doc, it's emailsfrom students that could be
questions in class.
First thing to go.
It's the first thing to go,emails from students that could
(08:21):
be questions in class.
You know and I'm not trying tobe a jerk, you know what I mean.
But like, yeah, you know, likeyou know, I would much prefer to
try to create this dope lecturein class and like facilitate
this learning experience thanattend to this email.
Yeah, that you can talk to meabout in class.
(08:43):
I'm not going to email you back.
Yeah, and it's not me beingmean, it's me trying to
prioritize one thing for youover another thing for you.
Yep, yep, you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, no, it's me beingmean.
Yeah, I see it come through andI'm like nope, nah bro, nah, man
, you know, hey bro, I'm tryingmy best over here, man.
(09:05):
Nah, hey bro, I'm trying mybest over here, man.
No, not me, that daddy notfussing, I'm not fussing, I'm
not trying my best.
I'm giving them a good old,lukewarm effort.
Yeah, have you hit your kids?
Have you hit your kids withthat daddy not fussing?
Nope, nope, but I have.
I have hit my kids with comeover here, I'm not going to hit
you, come over and then theycome over here and I'm like I
(09:33):
don't, there, it is, there it is.
Nah, let me call those people.
Nah, I don't, I don't hit mykids, man, I don't, uh, at least
not close.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not.
Yeah, come on, man, we callthem, we call them papas in our
house.
Yeah, that's what we call them,man, I'm not hiding behind
anything, no, but just for thelistener's sake, just so you
(09:56):
understand.
So me and my brother, when wewere growing up, I mean we got
whoopings.
We didn't get beat, we gotwhoopings.
It was both psychological andphysical.
Yeah, you know what I mean,because you get the, you, you
get the.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen, hey.
I remember one time where wewere doing something outside
(10:18):
that we weren't supposed to do,I don't know, and we were
walking into the house like wewere walking mama.
Mama was like boys get in thehouse.
And we were walking into thehouse and you walked in there
first and Mama had the door openand you had to walk under her
left arm to get through thethreshold of the door Because
she opened the door.
I got trauma block, this.
(10:39):
I don't remember.
The minute you walked into thehouse.
Mama hit you so hard, you wentcrashing into the wall.
So I looked at her and shelooked at me like get your ass
(11:00):
in the house.
And I was like I saw youabsolutely battered on the
ground.
I swear, I swear, I swear I'lldo anything if you don't hit me
(11:21):
like that.
Please.
I was bargaining.
Please don't hit me that hard,like I know I'm gonna get hit.
(11:44):
I know I'm walking into thisand I'm not trying to shirk it.
I will walk under your.
I know I'm walking into this, Iknow what's happening and I'm
not trying to shirk it.
I will walk under your arm.
I know the hit is, but thatheart is like that is unhinged.
I was like is he even breathing?
And you know why, dog.
You know why that probablyhappened, bro.
Probably because we was outsidedoing something we wasn't
(12:06):
supposed to do, exactly Knockingon neighbors' doors, running
away, you know, throwing rocksat cars, or something.
She called us once.
She called us twice.
A neighbor called her and saidhey, come, get your boys outside
, boys outside.
And she told us to come in.
And we were like no, that wasthe, that was the, that was the
(12:31):
now.
Now, now you're making me looklike I can't, I can't parent now
.
Now you're making a bad example.
Yeah, so now you have to pay.
Yeah, and usually, usually Ilike roll with it.
Hey, so you saw me.
I just told that story to thelisteners and that was the truth
.
Now, to my, to my kids, I tellthem yeah, and Uncle Jude flew
through the wall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,mama hit him through the
(12:58):
sheetrock.
Yeah, but here's the oppositethough.
Here's the opposite Because youknow, when I made that joke
earlier about Daddy not fussing,it's because, like, daddy never
spanked us at all, yeah, ever,yeah, not once.
You know what I mean.
But mama would hit you with thepsychological spanking.
Yeah, you know, like you knowwhat I mean.
(13:19):
She'd be like, hey, hey, you'renot listening.
How can I know that I can trusty'all to be safe if you're not
listening?
Yeah, and so you know, and itsticks, we're going to have to
spank y'all when we get home,and it's 7.30 in the morning,
(13:39):
yeah, and so you got the wholeday.
I'm not telling you exactlywhen it's going to happen, but
just know.
But at some point throughoutthe day, that whole day, it's
going to happen, but, but atsome point throughout the day.
Yeah, you know, that whole dayit's like you need me to shine
your shoes.
I can listen.
You don't even have to pressthe gas pedal.
I can pick up the front end ofthe car and judo because we
don't want you to waste gas orjust run you to I just harvest
(14:02):
some coffee beans for you.
I can go crush them up and makeyou some.
Uh, yeah, yes, ma'am, I went allthe way to arabia.
I know I'm, I know I'm seven,but I just thought out a job
application, just because youknow, I'm just trying to move us
out the hood and it's time tocontribute.
You know, I felt, yeah, I justfelt called.
Yeah, I just felt called andI'm answering the call.
Yeah, you know, I just want youto know I'm putting my weight.
(14:24):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So whatever you were thinkingearlier, that thought doesn't
need to be thunk anymore.
Just yep, just so we're clear.
Yeah, just so we're you don't.
You don't have to at this point.
At this point, it's a choice tobeat me when we get home.
Because, yeah, it's a choiceyou're making.
(14:46):
At some point you have tothought stop.
At some point you have to spitin the soup.
At some point you got to earlyrecollection, yep.
Desensitization, yes, ma'am.
Somatic cleansing, rapid eyemovement Yep, all of that.
(15:07):
What else you need?
Yeah, yeah, oh, get the belt,okay, yes, okay, wow.
She is really still goingthrough with this.
Wow, wow, you upstairs gettingabout like, wow, wow, she's got
an iron wheel.
So she's got an iron wheel.
(15:28):
This is what it's like to beunloved wow, wow, anyway, man,
let me, let me, let me finishsharing this, bro.
So, uh, I mean, you know that hedidn't have the daddy came in
dog and didn't have to say much.
Yeah, you didn't have to sayanything.
(15:49):
He would sit down and he'd getreal quiet, like he would talk
so low that you'd have to getclose, yeah, to hear him.
Yeah, you know, and you hadalready gotten the whooping, so
you were already a littleskittish about intimacy.
Yep, any closeness he can grabme.
I, I'm in his reach, you know,and he'd sit there and he'd be
(16:10):
like.
So your mama told me while I wasoutside working, woke up at 530
in the morning.
I'm sorry, hold on, hold on,hold on.
Let me get the concrete out ofmy eye.
Hold on, yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Could you come closer?
Yeah, I just inhaled a lot ofconcrete dust today while I was
(16:35):
working to make sure you went toprivate school.
Hold on, give me one second,yeah, yeah, so, anyway, jesus.
So, while that was happening,your mama told me you weren't
listening this whole time andyou start crying, bro, and you
(16:58):
start shaking and you'd be likeno, no, no, no, daddy, not
fussing, I'm not fussing, thisisn't me fussing In the ultimate
gaslighting, because he'd belike it sounds like you are
fussing.
I don't know.
This is as close to warfare asI've ever gotten.
This is classic.
This is I hear the bulletswhizzing.
(17:20):
This is oh, man, bro, anyway,man, anyway, bro, yeah, yeah, I
mean, yeah, sorry for the hiatus, man, uh, you know, we're gonna
try to be a little bit moreconsistent from now on.
Uh, at the at the very least,once a month, at the very least,
(17:41):
at the very least, I'm aimingfor twice a month at least, man.
But you know, you know what's,you know what's tough dog is,
because the people that listento the podcast are the people we
take care of.
Yeah, yeah, you know what Imean.
You know the people we're with,the people we hang out with,
the people we, you know, workwith and work for.
(18:03):
Well, there's some people thatare like we had.
There's a lot of people indifferent countries that listen
to this cast, that, like I'vebeen kind of chiming in, like
hey, uh, in their own language,where is the cast?
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, and I have to communicatewith them, saying I'm here.
Jude isn't present, though, so,wow, okay, hey, man, on a side
note.
On a side note, I want to speakclearly here.
(18:25):
Amen, stop sending me y'allsupervisees to train.
Listen, I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of it.
No, man, because you, you atull, uh and and boosh and the
rest of the faculty member overthere.
This is to y'all.
(18:46):
This is directly to the Listen.
I'm not a janitor.
Oh yeah, I'm not a janitor.
You know what I mean.
What else you got, Huh, whatelse you got?
It's just, you know, you givethem to me, because I feel like
we're saying you grade A qualityclinicians, oh yeah, but
(19:11):
there's all y'all stuff in thereI have to muck out and clear
out.
No, I'm sorry about that.
Yeah, I get it.
Or do better?
Yeah, no, I get it, I get it.
Yeah, I get it.
No, but for real, man, how's thejob?
First semester?
Last semester was the firstsemester and your second
(19:33):
semester, oh, yeah, I'm gonnadie here.
Yeah, this is.
Yeah, this is the best place.
That bad.
Oh man, like, I'm gonna be inmy office like, and and lifespan
is with the.
Yeah, it's still got you.
What class?
What class did they got you?
No man, it feels like jesuswhen you describe the classes
(19:53):
you're teaching.
It's like it's like when ayoung soccer player first gets
to the first team yeah, and belike, welcome to the game.
Number 75.
Yeah, that's like number 111.
Like 111.
Yeah, I've never seen threedigits.
(20:14):
His jersey had to be extra large, just in the back.
The front is medium but theback is extra fabric, running
around with a cape.
Nah, man, nah, it's great bro.
Like it's.
Yeah, man, it's great man.
It's like, yeah, one of thebest places I've ever worked at.
I don't, I don't.
This is the first time in mylife I've had that combination
(20:34):
of, like work and family andstructure and like all that
stuff you know.
So, yeah, it's great, it'sgreat, man, it's great, it's
great.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.
But, but also at the same time,yeah, it's it's weird to be in a
place where my students are inmy office and it's not
(20:56):
irritating at all.
It's just like for the pastthree years working at Grand
Canyon University.
I'm not seeing students, Ican't even.
I'm not seeing even mypracticum and internship classes
.
Like I meet with them on aweekly basis, but like it's
different when you meet with astudent for practicum and
(21:17):
internship and also you see themin the clinic, you know, and
you see them taking their clientback, you know, and they look
at you like, hey, I'm gonna talkabout this one in internship.
You know it's like, oh, okay,cool.
And I'm like, oh, I got, I got,I have 30 minutes.
Let me watch that session.
You know, yeah, you just feelmore part of life.
Yeah, it's like you're a partof it.
(21:37):
Yeah, you're like more, yeah,and it's dope when you have
students that like understandthat, buy into it and contribute
to it.
Yep, you know, like theyrecognize like, oh, this, this
feels like you know we'rebuilding a community or
something.
Yeah, yeah.
And then there's like theconnection to the alumni too.
You know, like we talked about,we talked about your supervisee
(22:00):
in in a meeting that we had,because somebody was from Texas
and we were just saying how like, yeah, our, our, our students
whenever they move to whereverthey're at, like they're
connected with some of our, ourpeople to supervise, you know,
so it's like we're caring forthem, even when they graduate
from the program.
You know, yeah, that's how itshould be, man, yeah, yeah, yeah
(22:23):
, yeah.
Is there anything you want tosay to students before we wrap
this up?
Anything, yeah, anything I wantto say to my students?
Yeah, um, no, no, no, no.
Anything you want to say to mystudents?
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
Anything you want to say to mystudents, to your students?
Yeah, I know you don't knowthem, but what advice you got
for them in this time?
Whatever is broken can be fixedwith time and therapy.
(22:46):
So, whatever you're goingthrough right now in any of his
classes, anything can be fixedwith time and therapy.
Okay, so, if you need help,reach out to the community of
clinicians out there that canreally help you to like unpack
some of the stuff you'relearning in his classes.
Listen, I'm not fussing Again,I'm not fussing, I'm just saying
(23:08):
.
I'm just saying that, whateveryou feel, because I know you may
be in it and you may notunderstand how broken you are,
but you are a broken, lost soulif you've taken some of his
classes.
So just look in the mirror andrepeat after me I'm broken and
I'm lost.
I'm broken, I'm lost and I needhelp.
(23:38):
All right, my students alreadyknow not to listen outside
voices, so we keep them isolated.
Yeah, it sounds mad abusive.
They don't have, they can'tcontact anybody outside of the
system.
They know that.
Hey, did you?
Did you sign the release form?
Yeah, it says that you cannotcreate any new relationships
after you enter into this.
(23:58):
So, yeah, especially if they'relicensed, you know you can
listen to anybody that'sunlicensed.
But, yeah, yeah, oh man, no,yeah, we're gonna come.
We're gonna come back with amore extensive version because
we got some stuff that you knowof want to talk about, about
internship students andpracticum students and some of
the stuff that we're seeing,because that's what I'm teaching
(24:19):
this semester.
I'm teaching internship andmulticultural, plus the book
that we're writing that's due inJuly.
We got to talk about that.
We got lots of stuff to talkabout.
That.
Man, we got lots of stuff totalk about.
Yeah, yeah, we got a couplestuff.
The article, the article wejust published.
Yep, yeah, there's a couple,there's a couple things, man,
yeah, it would be, it would becool if we had a student.
(24:41):
You know, come on the cast too.
Um, I mean ex-student, no,current student, you know,
whatever.
Uh, just to just to get like,maybe, a student's perspective.
You know, uh, we got someinterviews coming up too, you
know.
Uh, maybe we should get on that.
Uh, I'd love for booze to be apart of this, guys, but we
wouldn't get anything done.
(25:02):
So we need an hour and a half,yeah, yeah, anyway, but I gotta
go do some therapy.
What you got to meet withsomebody after this, I do.
Yeah, a student, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Uh-huh, are they waiting foryou right now?
Uh-huh, yeah, bring them in.
They're looking at me.
I saw the glass right now.
Right, yeah, I'm staring atthem back.
(25:32):
Yeah, I give them one of these,the two finger peace sign.
Give me a minute, give me aminute.
But it can also be like I'mgood, I'm good, come on in,
everything's good.
And so they open the door, butit's locked.
If they do pull on the handle,they can be out there, like what
is happening, and then I wavethem off.
(25:52):
Yeah, you got to keep them ontheir toes, yeah, and then I
just sit and wait for fiveminutes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why insome of our recording rooms I
move the camera, because you canhear like a little whirling
sound when you move the camera.
So I move the camera just sothat I know I'm always watching.
I'm always watching, daddy'salways there, big brother's
(26:15):
always watching.
Alright, anyway, be on thelookout for Juice Pinky Toe Pigs
.
We're going to be selling themto raise money for my son's club
team so you can get a two bytwo Polaroid.
It's club team, so you can geta 2x2 Polaroid.
It's going to cost you.
Anyway, alright, y'all, we'llsee y'all later At some point,
(26:43):
at some point this month.
Do, do, do, thank you.
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