May 21, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
all right, man, you ready?
You want to welcome them to thecast?
I don't.
I feel so embarrassed Like.
I feel like you know thoseclients who's like hey, man,
like, are we like, are you stillpracticing?
Like, golly, it's been thatlong.
(00:35):
Nah, you're asking if I'm stillpracticing.
Nah, man, I feel like we'rethose clients where they only
call you when their life is inabsolute shambles.
You know what I mean.
Like you get an email from her,it's like, oh, what happened?
There's like a lawsuit brewingor like a child custody case
brewing or something you know,and they're just trying to get
(00:57):
on your books or look like theywere like doing something.
That's how we are with thepodcast, bro.
It's like, at this point I feellike the listeners should know
that when we do a cast, it's acry for help.
It's a cry for help.
It's a cry for something man,yeah, when y'all see us, yeah,
if y'all hear, if you arelistening to the cast now and
(01:20):
the next time you see us or hearus, or just pass by the office,
bring snacks, yeah, something.
Bring snacks, coffee, well,wishes, something, man, or
something man, yeah, yeah, no,it's been.
Yeah, that's.
It Is our deepest apologies.
Speaking of deep.
(01:41):
Speaking of deep, hey man,what's wrong with you?
What you mean?
You just sound and also looklike hot garbage.
Oh, it's because I started 75hard.
Oh, and wait, watch this.
Watch this One, two, three,four.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it.
(02:03):
I hate it.
I hate it, dr Austin, I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it, dr Austin, I hateevery yeah man.
For those of you who didn't getthat reference, it's from doing
that thing you do, but I hateit.
I hate it.
Mr Playtone, I quit Mr Playtone, whatever it was, yeah, no, I
hate it.
Man, yeah, my man, there's justso much water you have to drink
(02:27):
.
Man, yeah, man, it looks likeyour body's in shock right now.
Oh my God, man, yeah, yeah, itdoesn't help.
That, like the lighting makesit look like I'm a captor in my
own house.
Yeah, man, I was about to sayman Slink twice.
Yeah, bro, anyway, anyway,welcome back to the cast.
Welcome back, man, welcome backto the cast.
We know, we already know, weknow and we're sorry.
(02:51):
Okay, yeah, okay, is that goodenough?
We're only going to say it onetime.
That's all you're going to getfrom us.
We know and we will do better.
That's it, okay, all right, Allright.
Okay, okay, all right, that'sit All right.
All right, man, we've got a lotof stuff to cover today, man,
(03:14):
and we only got like a littlebit of time because you're
trying to be a good father andgo pick your children up from
school.
Yeah, man, I'm trying to golfcourse and I need a six footer
to drop the good dad.
Karma will just help.
One more rotation, help theball fall in, because that's how
you can tell if you're a gooddad.
If you're a good dad, go to thecourse, play around.
(03:36):
If things go your way.
You wasn't a good dad that week, okay, yeah, if it doesn't go
your way, something's off.
If it goes your way, keep doingwhat you're doing.
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah,yeah.
No easy way to tell yeah, man,no, I, uh.
I feel like we got a lot, a lotto cover, man.
We got some.
I mean, it is a uh, I don'tknow a stoppage in my email, uh,
(04:04):
all the listener mail that'slike been kind of trickling
through over the past couple ofweeks.
You know, at this point it'sjust are y'all okay?
Are y'all okay?
Certainly not.
So we got that to cover and wegot some check-ins to do too and
we got to talk about the end ofthe year stuff and all kinds of
(04:24):
stuff, man.
So how about we start with?
Like you, man, how's yourfamily doing, how's everybody
doing over there?
Everybody's good, thank you.
What about you?
Okay, man?
Nah, bro, we're doing good, man, we're transitioning.
You know, uh, in the summertime, uh, kian just finished
kindergarten, y'all do agraduation over there.
(04:46):
I don't actually know, I shouldprobably know, I should
probably know, just, yeah, Ishould probably know.
I don't know, um, but if we do,then yeah, we're going to it,
man, and uh, valen finishedpre-k one, uh, and look, ages,
you know, valent, yeah, he'slike valent, it's like the most,
he's just he, he is coy and shy, and you know he, just, you
(05:11):
know, yeah, um, man, bruh, whenI tell you that, because we, we,
you know, they have a littlegraduation thing, he wasn't
graduating, he's in pre-k one,but they do like pre-k one,
pre-k two and then, and thenyou're going to kindergarten, so
they graduate, you, right, it'spre-k one, and apparently he
had to learn like a song and andall kinds of stuff, right, so,
(05:32):
real quick, we were psyched out.
Do you want to go to this thingor no, because you're on the
stage, a bunch of people second,all of the families taking
pictures.
You're like you want to go tothis thing.
And he's like yeah.
And I looked at lindsay and Iwas like, should we go?
Like I mean, he's just he's notgonna do it, he's not gonna
want to do it, we're just gonnaend up holding him right.
Yeah, man, when I tell you thatball went up on that stage and
(05:52):
sang this little lot of mine,for real, his whole soul.
He reminded me of ropy.
Wow, genuinely, I was like wow,is this?
Is this it?
Maybe it's happening, maybeit's turning the corner?
Yeah, dog.
And then afterwards we werehome and we have like a little
ukulele.
You know, the kids just playaround with it.
(06:13):
Anyway, he picked up thatukulele and I was just watching
him, I was in the garagecleaning up, you know, and he
picked up the ukulele without meand he goes, this little line
of mine, and I was like, and hestrummed, he strummed the
ukulele.
I was like fallon, you gotta goshow mommy this.
Yeah, yeah.
So I don't, I don't know.
(06:33):
Man, this has been an awesomeyear for him and you know the
kids.
Today, kian is wearing hislittle kindergarten shirt.
You know they have a littlekindergarten squat shirt, yeah,
and uh, so you get to seekindergarten squat, squat shirt,
squad, squad, okay, okay, yeah,hey, like dang, they're doing
squats, kindergarten squats guy,man, he's in the thousand pound
club.
(06:53):
Golly, training never ends, man, it never ends, don't you got
another kid though?
Uh, who, who's that?
Okay, never mind.
Yeah, nah, man, shia was doinggood.
Bro, he's walking, talking,growing teeth, eating man, he
just vomited on me yesterday.
No big deal, nah, he's doinggood, man, he's doing good.
(07:16):
Bruh Bruh, bruh, bruhi'ssitting on me, kofi's our
two-year-old right Two-year-oldson and he's sitting on me for
the listeners.
You know, I know you don'treally know my children that
well, but I try not to.
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, but no, he's sitting onme.
Man, he's potty training right.
(07:37):
So we got him some underwear onand man, he stays dry all day
in his underwear, all day, butthen, like every once in a while
, he'll just have a little pottyaccident, bro.
So he's sitting on my leg rightand I'm looking at him.
He's looking at me and I'm likeI'm feeling something wet on my
leg.
I'm like what is you know?
All right.
(07:58):
Hey, kof, are you pottying?
He goes, yep.
I said, come on, kov Yep, comeon Kov Yep.
He goes.
Sorry daddy, sorry daddy.
So he gets off of me and whathe does is when he parties on
himself he gets completely naked.
(08:18):
Yeah, as you do.
He gets completely naked andthen he holds his pee, pee, yeah
, okay, it's like time to getnaked dog.
So I'm full of piss, full of it.
Right, he's butt ball bootynaked, bro.
(08:38):
I'm like, bro, like, whatshould you do first?
Should you change him Scenes?
Should you change him?
Change yourself?
Got to put the oxygen mask onfirst, man, the oxygen mask
yourself first.
Nope, what I did was I cleanedup the pee on the floor, got him
changed.
I mean just sopping wet.
You know just, oh, man, yeah,so he's doing well party
(09:03):
training.
You know, you know, zuri,zuri's our, she's our.
Almost almost two months now,man, almost two months, bro,
almost two months now.
Damn man Doing well, bro,getting bigger, like just
getting bigger, bro, starting tosmile at you now.
You know, yeah, you know, justa little shadow.
(09:23):
Yeah, you know just a littleshadow.
Yeah, you know, just a little,yes, a little dark spot, you
know.
So, um, we got robie, robie six.
She's going into, uh, uh, firstgrade, so she's graduating from
kindergarten too.
You know, uh, crazy man, yeah,man, they do this little like
light ceremony where oh, yeah,you told me about that.
Yeah, we're at the kid's schoolwhere uh, the, the kindergarten
students who's graduating tofirst grade and the eighth
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graders who's graduating to highschool.
High school, they do like alittle like handoff type, like
lighting the candle type, yeah,like lighting the candle type of
thing.
You know, um, yeah, it's reallydope.
I mean, there's never a dry eyein the house.
Yeah, for never drying for sure, um comes at you fast, man,
yeah, man.
And then we got, we got cairo.
Who's just like they're killingit, man, like cairo played like
(10:10):
four sports this year, like uh,um it like uh went to the ar
party for like reading abajillion words, you know, and
uh, he made uh, um, I think it'slike a 3.8 or something.
Uh, he had to go to like the Iforget what you call it like the
honor roll party or theprincipal's party, whatever,
(10:32):
it's good, the pizza, it's likethe pizza party.
Yeah, well, they do a hall,this guy man, the kids school do
like they do a whole event,like they get parents to
volunteer to do a little show infront of the kids and the whole
school is invited.
But the kids who have aspecific GPA has, like, they
have like different type,different color t-shirts on.
So like, 4.0 is what we're like, a yellow t-shirt and 3.8 is a
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blue t-shirt, whatever, you know.
Yeah, and they do like prizes.
So, like the volunteer parentsand teachers, like they'll play
like a song and then they'lljust come out from the back and
start throwing prizes at people.
It's so Talking about iPads, sodope, what kind of prizes are
you talking about?
Well, you know Cars, the typeof I know the kind of school you
go, I know the kind of schooly'all go.
I should say that they'rethrowing out loans.
(11:19):
Yeah, they're low interestrates, high credit scores
throwing them out.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, every once in a whilethey're sneaking a candy, but
yeah, for the most part it is,uh, country club memberships,
and you know it's just.
You know I'm sorry, man, thegoal in life is to do well.
You know I'm sorry.
Am I overcharging my clientsfor the amount of work that I
(11:42):
put in tariff sessions?
For sure, for sure, for sure,absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, for sure, can I be sued?
What are you gonna do?
You know daddy likes to eatsteak every night.
What are you gonna do?
You know his kids, kids, hiskids need things.
No, man, yeah, that's the kids.
So let's, let's, get into someof the stuff you wanted to check
(12:04):
in about.
Man, yeah, yeah, man, you justfinished, like, your little tour
of duty.
Tour of duty, it's not the same.
Oh man, yeah, bro, I'm free.
Yeah, I'm free.
They take the shackles off yourfeet so you can dance, bro.
Man, two years, two years inAssociate Dean.
I went to the dark side for twoyears, as many of you guys know
(12:26):
, and look, man, it was anexperience.
That boy became a nine to fiver.
Well, the funny thing is isthat, you know, because I had
the two jobs, it was really Astaff member.
It was really hard to like,genuinely hard to like navigate.
Where should I be at?
You know what I mean, like,should I be in this office?
(12:49):
Should I be in that office?
Like how much time should Ispend here?
So you told each job that youwere at the other and you went
to Walmart and you got your bagof Hershey nuggets and you went
and played golf, set my car on,cry, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And when I get missed calls,it's like oh, you got me in the
other office.
I'm across campus Because, yeah, I was in the other office.
(13:12):
That's funny, because I'm inyour other office.
Wait, what other office are youin?
What other office when you atright now?
Nah, man, it was good, Ilearned a lot, dog, one of the
biggest takeaways and we'regonna have to do this in another
cast, bro is and I sound oldsaying this man, like I hear it
coming out of my mouth, it's notlike it was back in the day.
(13:37):
Oh, my goodness, is this wherewe're going, bro?
Listen, listen back in my day,nah, but seriously, seriously, I
didn't even have computers inclass.
I had to fight for my life.
Now, here's what I mean, doc.
I, doc, there is so much, andprobably for a good reason, you
(13:57):
know, probably for a good reasonthat it's lost on me.
You know, man, there is so muchred tape in between you and a
tough conversation.
Yeah, yeah, you know that.
That's like, that's the.
That's one of the biggesttakeaways, like talking therapy.
You know, you sit with a client.
There's no red tape.
Yeah, you know you need to tellthe client, like you know, uh,
(14:21):
I was, uh, I was working withthis client around 40 or
something.
He never really made arelationship work and honestly
he's struggling to make ourrelationship work.
Okay, you know what I mean andI can have the hard conversation
and say this is why nobodywants to be with you.
Like I'm struggling to be withyou in this way, you know, and
(14:42):
obviously all the relationshipsyada, yada yada going to be with
you in this way, you know, andobviously all the relationships
of yada, yada, yada.
But like as a, as a associatedean, like you can't just be
kicking down people's doors andtelling them like, hey, man, be
better.
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, no one, no one likes you,greg.
Yeah, you can't.
You know, like, hey, studentshave been complaining and I'm
(15:02):
here, you know, like a studentcomes in and I feel like what I
want is to be able to take astudent, bring them to the
faculty that they're complainingabout, and then we all have a
conversation about what's goingon.
You know, I want to be able towalk into a faculty member's
office and say, hey, man, thisis what I'm noticing to a
faculty member's office and say,hey, man, this is what I'm
(15:22):
noticing, you know, like, butyou can't really do that anymore
, or at least it feels like youcan't do that without having,
you know, like red tape.
Yeah, that's a huge thing.
When it comes to like, Iremember my time being a staff
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member.
Trying to get anything done wasalways like, you know, you got
to.
Well, I mean, this person is incharge of, I mean, simple stuff
.
Like you know, this was thisperson's in charge of the chairs
.
So if you want an event in thisroom, you got to go so and so,
yeah, and you know, you go talkto so-and-so, and so-and-so is
like when do you need it?
When do you need it?
(16:12):
When do you need it in in twoweeks?
How many shares do you need?
Bro, they act like man, theyact seriously, like it's, like
it's, it's a it's, it's like anact of congress.
Yeah, you know, sometimes youknow, and sometimes it's not,
but sometimes it's just likeunnecessary anyway, and so the
whole thing boils down to I wishthat I had more time and I wish
(16:32):
that I had more freedom.
You mean like and is this thecry for help you were talking
about, or no, okay, okay, Ididn't know you were talking
about, like I said that withyour family, or I've said this
before to you man, look, shouldI, should I text lindsey or no?
No, I said this before.
Man, look, you give me fiveunfireable years, yeah, you know
(16:53):
.
Hey, five, five, get out ofjail free, five, five.
Turn the other way, dog.
If they give you five, get outof jail free like unfireable
years.
Hey, that faculty intramuralteam is going to be legit.
You're going to get D1 athletes.
Why are all of your adjuncts D1athletes?
(17:16):
He can't teach.
Why are they all passed?
He can't teach, but past allAmericans.
Have you seen his fastball?
Though he's a switch hitter,man, I don't know.
He can't teach, he's got acriminal record.
But have you seen this vertical, a doctorate from Regent
University somewhere, oh, man,etched on you know hardwood?
(17:44):
It's like, yeah, okay, yeah,but let me see that jump shot.
Welcome to the team, welcome,here's your office, welcome to
the faculty.
You got some sides on, you,don't you?
Anyway, man, I learned a lot.
It was really dope to be you,to be part of faculty and stuff.
I wish I could have advocatedfor more.
I wish I could have did morestuff, but you're pulled in two
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different directions, and Ithink the students are Would you
ever do it again?
Yeah, I think I would, man, butit's so hard to keep up the two
jobs.
You just feel like you'reneglecting everybody.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, like yeah, and I thinkthat's what I'm, that's what I'm
tired of, man.
Yeah, that's what your studentshave been saying to to be quite
(18:29):
frank, I know, because theytell me yeah, a lot of students.
Yeah, I don't know how you'reraising your students, but in my
program we encouragegenuineness and honesty, you
know, and I'm teaching them.
You know, I'm teaching mystudents, and then they flip it
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on me.
You know, I don't know, man,and they say stuff like Dr
Austin, if you could wake up inthe morning and everything would
be perfect, what would be thefirst thing you'd notice?
I don't know, man.
What I would notice is thaty'all got a high turnaround rate
over there.
You got faculty members leavingleft and right.
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I just fail them.
I just fail them, bro.
I just fail them.
I just fail them.
I just fail them.
I mean what I, what I, what Ihear, is that there's trouble in
paradise.
You know, yeah, nah, man, well,I, I just finished, like my
first year here at UL and, yeah,what I learned is is oh, man,
(19:42):
what I learned is, uh is, oh man, what I learned is that, bro, a
lot of stuff, man, one it's.
It is so like gratifying to beon a, to be at a job where
you're not like looking overyour shoulder.
You know, like you know, I'vehad jobs where they were like,
(20:02):
hey, can you let us know whatyour car making model is so we
can check to see if you're oncampus?
Yeah, you know, it's like what.
The micromanagement?
Yeah, you know, like you know,I've had jobs like that man in
higher ed.
You know where I'm, like, whereelse would I be?
I don't, I'm, you know.
Uh, yeah, you know.
(20:23):
And so, to have a job like thiswhere, like you know, not only
do the faculty get along butlike, uh, it's just a really,
it's just a really uniqueenvironment, you know to like to
, to, to, to be in at this, liketime in my life, you know, with
, like the kids, and like thefreedom to like say no to stuff,
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you know, and like it's just,yeah, it's just, it's just dope
bro, so that, and also with withthe students, man, it's, it's
cool to see how, uh, likestudents kind of know what
they're missing.
You know, like no programmers,oh no, no program is perfect,
you know, but no, you know, butit is.
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It is cool to like, as afaculty member, to kind of sit
back and be like hey, man, whatdo y'all like, what do y'all
need?
Yeah, that's the luxury ofbeing a new faculty.
Yeah, yeah, you have like anoutsider perspective, yeah, yeah
, yeah.
So it's weird.
It's weird that, like you know,I've been a faculty member for
years and years and years, butlike I and experience to
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implement it, it's somethingthat yeah, it's dope, man, amen.
Can you say the word experienceagain?
Because the way you said it itwas like southern Louisiana, oh
my bad.
Because you said experience.
You said experience, you didn'tsay experience, it's coming out
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of me, man, yeah, becausethat's what you will.
Yeah, man, like you just took ashot of rue and you said
experience, man, it's coming outof me, bro.
I can't help it, dog, sometimesI can catch it and sometimes I
just, you know, sometimes itjust morphs out of me, man.
Yeah, I'm cool man.
I hear that they're lucky tohave you.
(22:30):
I don't believe it.
I guess I'll see it when I seeit.
But I just know this when theymove you out of that coffin
office, you in, that's when youcan say that you've made it.
I actually like my office, butyou know, I don't know how you
can move in that place.
I mean, you know, dad's got alittle dump truck behind him,
(22:53):
but I can still move around.
You know A little dumpy behindme, but yeah, I, just when you
are, when your knees, when yourknees are touching another,
another student, that's when,yeah, man, I uh, maybe they'll
appreciate you I just, I, just,I just undo my hitch before I
walk in there, just, let me see,let me, let me say this, let me
(23:14):
say this If you feelunappreciated, I know a place.
Oh yeah, I know a place.
Oh yeah, I know a place.
I don't think y'all can treatme as well as us.
I'm not saying we, you put thatout there.
I'm just saying, if you'refeeling called to it, I know a
place where let's just say youhave friends, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, I mean, I appreciatethat I don't have to
respectfully decline.
I didn't.
That was no offer.
Yeah, with respect, no, again,your unconscious is telling the
tale, because there was no offer.
It seems like there's anundercurve here.
I don't know, bro, you addingall that stuff in.
(24:02):
I should say this too, that youknow, if you ever feel like the
Lord is calling you home, comeon, man, come on, bro.
You know it's interesting, it'sinteresting that you Come on,
man, come on, bro, you know it'sinteresting, it's interesting
(24:23):
that you would say that, bro, Iunderstand.
Anyway, man, all right, movingon, thank you.
(25:25):
So we got some listenerquestions, right, um, that I
kind of want to run past you,man, because, like you know,
it's, it's a, it's a, it'sclogging up my email, right,
yeah, so let's like we got aboutwhat?
Five minutes maybe?
So, yeah, five minutes.
Let's like we got about what?
Five minutes Maybe.
So, yeah, five minutes.
Let's like rapid fire.
This because I feel like if wedon't get through this, we're
never going to get through it.
(25:46):
Yeah, and then afterwards wecan talk a little bit about the
Business of Counseling Summit onMay 30th.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Iknow you got to get your
commercial in.
You can't, you can't, oh, yeah,yeah, bro, that boy, all right,
all right.
Every time, you know we shouldstart a new song for this
(26:07):
podcast.
It's like money, money, money.
It's not about money, bro, it'sabout education.
It's about helping the people.
It's about people helpingpeople.
You know it's provocative, I'mjust saying it is May 30th, the
business of counseling summit,live Q and a two, 30 Eastern
time.
Uh, log in, register, sign in,plug in, tap in, sit in and and
(26:34):
learn me and yours trulyspreading the wisdom.
Hold on, let me the wisdom.
Hold on, let me gospel.
I'm going to cut this out thecast.
So we're not getting paid forthis.
No honorary to be had, gollyman.
Not even an Amazon gift card.
(26:57):
I think we get a firm handshakethumbs up, alright.
Well, here's some listener.
Not even a amazon gift card.
No, I think we get a firmhandshake man, all right.
Well, all right man.
So here's, here's some.
Here's some listener, somelistener questions, bro.
Uh, we got about one, two,three, four, five, six, seven,
eight, nine, ten, eleven, a lot.
Pick these, random or something.
Uh, no, this is just like inthe order that they came in the
(27:18):
in the.
We're not going to get to allof them because people just
write in.
You know, sometimes peoplewrite in like, hey, you know, I
just want to let you know Ireally appreciate you more than
your brother.
You know some people write inlike, hey, what are you going to
break off and do your own castbecause he's holding you back?
Just, you know stuff like that,super specific, yeah, just
stuff like that.
But I didn't want to bring thatto the cast.
(27:38):
All right, man, let's startfrom the bottom, because that's
the most recent one.
This is from Kyle.
It says do I really needtherapy?
Dog, dog, no, no, no, that's agood question.
Okay, what's the?
Or Do I really need therapy?
Or?
I didn't read these questions.
(28:02):
So do I really need therapy orshould I just sage my chakras
and keep journaling?
Be honest, sage my.
I just honestly.
I just had this conversationwith the client, like maybe like
20 minutes ago.
Okay, you know where I meanseriously and like really
quickly, because I know how youare with time.
Look, hey, listen, if we, if meand Juz, are ever in a guest
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lecture together and you'rewatching us, you best believe
Juz is texting me to stoptalking.
Oh my God, always and forever.
This falls right into the nextquestion.
So the next listener question.
I talk in appropriate amount oftime.
I wouldn't have to talk so muchif you wouldn't leave my
brother, if you wouldn't leavethe listeners my brother Listen
(28:49):
if you wouldn't leave thelisteners so dehydrated of
knowledge, so so, so,malnutrition I think this is the
topic for another cast becauseif you wouldn't leave them, so,
so, so, so perilous, I'm onlytexting you on the verge.
I'm only texting you becausethe, the, the, the participants,
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that the people who are in thecrowd, if you wouldn't leave
them on the precipice of of ofpassing out, I wouldn't have to
share so much, but anyway.
So, kyle with the with thecrystals question, man, yeah, no
, no, sometimes you don't, yeah,sometimes you don't.
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There's times where, seriously,I wonder, like, if you got
yourself a nice, like, if you,if you saved and you spent 75
bucks, if you, if you wentthrifting and then you got those
clothes tailored and you justfelt good, yeah, you know what I
mean.
Like, if you spent the moneydoing that.
Or, instead of coming to see me, you just went and got a
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massage.
Well, sometimes people aren't.
Sometimes people like, I guessthe you know, the cool thing to
do nowadays is to like go totherapy, you know, yeah, but
like, sometimes people aren'tlike ready for therapy.
Exactly, they need to likedrink water, maybe go to sleep
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on time, like, first order,change stuff, some of the stuff
that like just, yeah, eathealthier, you know, just like,
make those little changes.
And yeah, you can do that intherapy too, for sure, you know.
But like, but sometimes peoplecome into therapy and they're
like, you know, I want to talkabout my mom.
Well, I mean, but you're notsleeping though, you know, and
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like you're not, you're nottaking care of yourself and and
you don't have and you don'thave to come in, perfect, you
know what I mean.
But I'm, I guess, when I'm,please don't, because you know
how else, how else am I going topay for, for this private
school?
It's just fun, it's just fun,you know.
But anyway, um, nah, I I dothink sometimes, like,
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especially, you know, likesometimes clients want to dive
deep, and you know really, andsometimes, like dog, you really
just need to stop thinking aboutthis and I go on a vacation.
All right, here's the next one.
This is somebody actually fromLouisiana.
This is Shana.
She says she's from Shreveportand it was right up what we're
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talking about.
She says, okay, if y'all aretwins and therapists, who
therapizes that's a word whotherapizes the therapist when
y'all get on each other's nerves, when, like me, and you get on
each other's nerves, yeah, whenme and you get on each other's
nerves, like what?
I guess she's asking, like,what happens?
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Who kicks it?
Who kicks into therapy mode?
No, I think it's like you knowwho.
Uh, I just don't understandwhat you're saying, dog, she's
from shreveport, bro, this iswhat you get.
This is what you get.
She's from streetport.
Come on, man, are you upsettingthe whole demographic?
I'm just saying, man, she'sfrom streetport, if you, if you
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have any quarrels about that,fight me.
You know where my office is.
Like, anyway, man, yeah, Iguess she's.
Like, you know who therapizes atherapist.
You know y'all get on eachother's nerves.
Well, like, I don't know,there's, no, there is no
possible way I can get on yournerves.
This is no way, okay, um,moving on, um, yeah, there's no
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way, man, because I don't thinkwe have enough time to to, not,
I think here's what I hear theundertone, and you can tell me
if I'm wrong.
That's the undertone of thequestion I'm hearing, right,
like, can you turn it off?
Well, yeah, but I mean, youknow, like, or is there an
appropriate amount of time where, when you're having a
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disagreement with somebody andyou're a therapist, you can, you
use your skills.
But if we make it even morepersonal to like me and you like
, yeah, dog, you do stuff thatirritates me and I do stuff that
irritates you.
But I think we know each otherso well, you know to where it's
like I can, I can kind of saylike hey, man, like when we go
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up there, this is the pointwhere you're gonna be, you're
gonna be flapping them gums andI'm gonna have to, I'm gonna
have to pull on your littlecoattails and be like hey, man,
no, nobody cares about bonova,canova, fanova, denova, canova's
cannolis leg is in five, nobodycares about nobody.
(33:32):
Like you're going, you're goingoverboard with the.
Well, well, if you carry theone and you plus the two and you
put the and the z score, seewhat the z score is and the t
scores, there's a differencebetween the and.
Then you have the non-dominantvariant of the variance
dominance and then like jeez man.
(33:53):
So I'm sorry, I just want tolearn and teach people.
Bro, y'all should see our textthread.
During these conferences I'llbe in capital letters, shut UP,
shut UP, and I'll be respondingwith see, that's why nobody
loves you.
You see, when they call my name.
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People clap when they call yourname.
Nobody says that's why I'll be.
I'll be saying some eloquentstuff.
I look down at my phone afterI'm done and I hear all I see is
you're adopted.
Golly, you got.
(34:35):
You got time for one more oryou need to dip.
I do need to leave, but let'sdo one more, okay, um, okay,
here we go here's.
This is from tasha, okay.
So I mean, we got so much mailI'm gonna have to, we're gonna
have to do like another cast andlike really, really get through
some of this stuff.
But this is Tasha.
Tasha says y'all ever had aclient you low-key, didn't like,
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like, be honest, like you'restill ethical, but if they
cancel, you ain't mad.
This is an easy answer for me.
I don't know what it is for you.
I've never had a client Ididn't like.
That I didn't tell, which thenturned the client into somebody
(35:20):
I liked, and I don't have tolike everybody to work with them
.
You know what I mean.
But if there's something thatI'm experiencing that makes me
not want to be with the client,I tell them.
And you know why, dog, that'show I take care of myself.
Man, seriously, you rememberthat one client that I had tell
them.
You know, and you know why, dog, like that, that's how I take
care of myself.
Man, yeah, seriously, youremember that one client that I
had at the clc in our master'sprogram, the one who drove that
(35:40):
porsche and tried to pay me like200 a session, yeah, yeah, yeah
, you know which was extremelyhard not to take, but you know
it was a free clinic that wewere working in.
You remember that dude, likeit's not that I didn't like him,
is that like I don't think hecared if I liked him or not.
You know, yeah, I don't thinkthat was like fundamental to our
relationship and I think thatwas a learning point for me of
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like, oh, you don't have to likeeverybody to work with them.
Like you don't have to liketheir political views, you don't
have to like their you knowstance on.
You know, name it, namewhatever it is.
You know you don't have to likethat, but do you like, if
there's a client that you don'tlike and they show up and you
have to work with them and youdon't tell them you don't like
(36:24):
them, you just keep working withthem.
Mm-hmm, Do you not think aboutthat all the time?
It for sure influences the waythat I feel about the client.
You know, All the time it forsure influences the way that I
feel about the client.
You know, yeah, but, like man,there's some clients that like,
there's some clients that ittakes a fair amount of
relational capital to be able tosay, you know, these are the
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parts of you that really kind ofgrinds up against I know, you
know the parts of me that showsup in the session, I know, not
saying that we can't worktogether, but this is what's
happening between the two of us.
You know, and I'm wondering ifyou're noticing this you know,
like you don't have that type ofconversation with the client,
you know, but, yeah, I'm notlike, I'm not like, oh, I gotta
(37:10):
tell you that I don't like, yousee it.
But here's the thing, right,because, yeah, relational
capital and all of that stuff,and you do it appropriately, you
couch it and yada, yeah, right.
But seriously, man, if I'm like, you know what this person from
shreveport said, you know, likeyou know, and I don't say
anything, I think about it it'slike being in a relationship
(37:32):
with somebody you don't like butyou have to be.
You know what I mean.
Now it's different.
Like if my kids are playing ina softball team or a baseball
team and I'm sitting there or at-ball team and I just don't
like one of the other parents,like, I'm not out there, telling
that person like, and here'sthe reasons why, you know,
because they're not paying me.
(37:53):
You know what I mean.
But if a person comes in andthey're paying to be in a
relationship with me and payingfor me to you know, and I don't
say, look, let me be honest,just so I'm not just stealing
your money, yeah, it's hard forme to be in this relationship.
See that?
That, that that word you knowit's like it's it's really hard
for me to be in a relationshipwith you because of this.
(38:15):
But to flat out say, hey, Idon't like you, well, obviously
not.
You know what I mean.
That feels a little too likethat's your own stuff getting in
the way of the relationship Athousand percent.
Yeah, if you're just sittingthere, you know what I mean Just
throwing haymakers at clients.
But I do think that and I knowyou got a job.
But I do think some studentsget wrapped up in the idea of
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like if you have a differentpolitical opinion than me, if
you have a different perspectivethan me, if you live a
different life or religiousbelief, then, like you know, I
don't want to work with you andlike, that's just not how we
were raised as clinicians, notat all.
Yeah, you kind of had to seewhatever came in and, honestly,
dog and this may be I don't knowhow the listeners are going to
(38:59):
feel about this Uh-oh, but Idon't think that that really
matters as much as we think itdoes.
Like, when it comes, like theperson's, like sexual
orientation, their religiousbeliefs, their political
leanings, like do you know whatI mean?
Their religious beliefs, theirpolitical leanings?
Do you know what I mean?
Really, when you're sittingthere and you're trying to
empathize, you're trying topersonalize the problem, you're
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trying to flip that personalizedproblem into a goal, you're
trying to put that goal into thestructure of a theoretical
orientation and then you'retrying to move from session to
session using that theory, those, those theoretical concepts, as
an anchor for each session.
It kind of doesn't matter who.
You know what I mean.
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They're such.
Now it matters in how theydiscuss the things right, right
and the nuances of it right andthen and then how those, how
those personal things willinfluence your relationship with
the client and yada, yada, yada, but just for you to do your
job.
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah,yeah, well, I mean, that's
probably something that we cankind of expound upon next time
(40:07):
we do this cast, If there's anext time, when there's a next
time, because, yeah, I got to go.
But, like I said, just for thelisteners, the summit May 30th.
On ACS website, business ofCounseling, we're writing a book
coming out in the spring 2026,called the Business of
Counseling.
Come and sign up for it, man.
(40:27):
2.30 Eastern Time.
Check out your boys.
Holler at your boys.
It'll be a live Q&A.
We're answering questions fromthe book.
We're answering questions justfrom our experience.
Man, I can promise you it won'tbe the well here thou hither,
thou thou this, it won't.
I mean, we're going to plan forit, obviously because ACA, you
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know, is close to us.
You know we don't want to dropthe bag.
I mean, oh, I mean therelationship, the relationship,
sure, sure, but no, it's goingto be just like this man.
Anyway, I got to go.
I got to go.
Man, jesus is going to stay on,though.
He's going to talk to you guysabout correlation of
(41:09):
coefficients as well as thequalitative phenomenological
methodology.
If you guys want to stay on forthat, and he's also going to
talk to you guys abouttransactional analysis yeah for
sure.
And so the games that peopleplay, we're just.
I'm just going to read chapterby chapter Just stay on the line
(41:30):
.
Yeah, just stay on the line.
Keep that.
Keep that line.
Hot, don't go anywhere, we'llbe back.
All right, bro, I got to go,that was a better one, you.
all right, man, you ready?
You want to welcome them to thecast?
I don't.
I feel so embarrassed Like.
I feel like you know thoseclients who's like hey, man,
like, are we like, are you stillpracticing?
Like, golly, it's been thatlong.
(00:35):
Nah, you're asking if I'm stillpracticing.
Nah, man, I feel like we'rethose clients where they only
call you when their life is inabsolute shambles.
You know what I mean.
Like you get an email from her,it's like, oh, what happened?
There's like a lawsuit brewingor like a child custody case
brewing or something you know,and they're just trying to get
(00:57):
on your books or look like theywere like doing something.
That's how we are with thepodcast, bro.
It's like, at this point I feellike the listeners should know
that when we do a cast, it's acry for help.
It's a cry for help.
It's a cry for something man,yeah, when y'all see us, yeah,
if y'all hear, if you arelistening to the cast now and
(01:20):
the next time you see us or hearus, or just pass by the office,
bring snacks, yeah, something.
Bring snacks, coffee, well,wishes, something, man, or
something man, yeah, yeah, no,it's been.
Yeah, that's.
It Is our deepest apologies.
Speaking of deep.
(01:41):
Speaking of deep, hey man,what's wrong with you?
What you mean?
You just sound and also looklike hot garbage.
Oh, it's because I started 75hard.
Oh, and wait, watch this.
Watch this One, two, three,four.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it.
(02:03):
I hate it.
I hate it, dr Austin, I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it, dr Austin, I hateevery yeah man.
For those of you who didn't getthat reference, it's from doing
that thing you do, but I hateit.
I hate it.
Mr Playtone, I quit Mr Playtone, whatever it was, yeah, no, I
hate it.
Man, yeah, my man, there's justso much water you have to drink
(02:27):
.
Man, yeah, man, it looks likeyour body's in shock right now.
Oh my God, man, yeah, yeah, itdoesn't help.
That, like the lighting makesit look like I'm a captor in my
own house.
Yeah, man, I was about to sayman Slink twice.
Yeah, bro, anyway, anyway,welcome back to the cast.
Welcome back, man, welcome backto the cast.
We know, we already know, weknow and we're sorry.
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Okay, yeah, okay, is that goodenough?
We're only going to say it onetime.
That's all you're going to getfrom us.
We know and we will do better.
That's it, okay, all right, Allright.
Okay, okay, all right, that'sit All right.
All right, man, we've got a lotof stuff to cover today, man,
(03:14):
and we only got like a littlebit of time because you're
trying to be a good father andgo pick your children up from
school.
Yeah, man, I'm trying to golfcourse and I need a six footer
to drop the good dad.
Karma will just help.
One more rotation, help theball fall in, because that's how
you can tell if you're a gooddad.
If you're a good dad, go to thecourse, play around.
(03:36):
If things go your way.
You wasn't a good dad that week, okay, yeah, if it doesn't go
your way, something's off.
If it goes your way, keep doingwhat you're doing.
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah,yeah.
No easy way to tell yeah, man,no, I, uh.
I feel like we got a lot, a lotto cover, man.
We got some.
I mean, it is a uh, I don'tknow a stoppage in my email, uh,
(04:04):
all the listener mail that'slike been kind of trickling
through over the past couple ofweeks.
You know, at this point it'sjust are y'all okay?
Are y'all okay?
Certainly not.
So we got that to cover and wegot some check-ins to do too and
we got to talk about the end ofthe year stuff and all kinds of
(04:24):
stuff, man.
So how about we start with?
Like you, man, how's yourfamily doing, how's everybody
doing over there?
Everybody's good, thank you.
What about you?
Okay, man?
Nah, bro, we're doing good, man, we're transitioning.
You know, uh, in the summertime, uh, kian just finished
kindergarten, y'all do agraduation over there.
(04:46):
I don't actually know, I shouldprobably know, I should
probably know, just, yeah, Ishould probably know.
I don't know, um, but if we do,then yeah, we're going to it,
man, and uh, valen finishedpre-k one, uh, and look, ages,
you know, valent, yeah, he'slike valent, it's like the most,
he's just he, he is coy and shy, and you know he, just, you
(05:11):
know, yeah, um, man, bruh, whenI tell you that, because we, we,
you know, they have a littlegraduation thing, he wasn't
graduating, he's in pre-k one,but they do like pre-k one,
pre-k two and then, and thenyou're going to kindergarten, so
they graduate, you, right, it'spre-k one, and apparently he
had to learn like a song and andall kinds of stuff, right, so,
(05:32):
real quick, we were psyched out.
Do you want to go to this thingor no, because you're on the
stage, a bunch of people second,all of the families taking
pictures.
You're like you want to go tothis thing.
And he's like yeah.
And I looked at lindsay and Iwas like, should we go?
Like I mean, he's just he's notgonna do it, he's not gonna
want to do it, we're just gonnaend up holding him right.
Yeah, man, when I tell you thatball went up on that stage and
(05:52):
sang this little lot of mine,for real, his whole soul.
He reminded me of ropy.
Wow, genuinely, I was like wow,is this?
Is this it?
Maybe it's happening, maybeit's turning the corner?
Yeah, dog.
And then afterwards we werehome and we have like a little
ukulele.
You know, the kids just playaround with it.
(06:13):
Anyway, he picked up thatukulele and I was just watching
him, I was in the garagecleaning up, you know, and he
picked up the ukulele without meand he goes, this little line
of mine, and I was like, and hestrummed, he strummed the
ukulele.
I was like fallon, you gotta goshow mommy this.
Yeah, yeah.
So I don't, I don't know.
(06:33):
Man, this has been an awesomeyear for him and you know the
kids.
Today, kian is wearing hislittle kindergarten shirt.
You know they have a littlekindergarten squat shirt, yeah,
and uh, so you get to seekindergarten squat, squat shirt,
squad, squad, okay, okay, yeah,hey, like dang, they're doing
squats, kindergarten squats guy,man, he's in the thousand pound
club.
(06:53):
Golly, training never ends, man, it never ends, don't you got
another kid though?
Uh, who, who's that?
Okay, never mind.
Yeah, nah, man, shia was doinggood.
Bro, he's walking, talking,growing teeth, eating man, he
just vomited on me yesterday.
No big deal, nah, he's doinggood, man, he's doing good.
(07:16):
Bruh Bruh, bruh, bruhi'ssitting on me, kofi's our
two-year-old right Two-year-oldson and he's sitting on me for
the listeners.
You know, I know you don'treally know my children that
well, but I try not to.
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, but no, he's sitting onme.
Man, he's potty training right.
(07:37):
So we got him some underwear onand man, he stays dry all day
in his underwear, all day, butthen, like every once in a while
, he'll just have a little pottyaccident, bro.
So he's sitting on my leg rightand I'm looking at him.
He's looking at me and I'm likeI'm feeling something wet on my
leg.
I'm like what is you know?
All right.
(07:58):
Hey, kof, are you pottying?
He goes, yep.
I said, come on, kov Yep, comeon Kov Yep.
He goes.
Sorry daddy, sorry daddy.
So he gets off of me and whathe does is when he parties on
himself he gets completely naked.
(08:18):
Yeah, as you do.
He gets completely naked andthen he holds his pee, pee, yeah
, okay, it's like time to getnaked dog.
So I'm full of piss, full of it.
Right, he's butt ball bootynaked, bro.
(08:38):
I'm like, bro, like, whatshould you do first?
Should you change him Scenes?
Should you change him?
Change yourself?
Got to put the oxygen mask onfirst, man, the oxygen mask
yourself first.
Nope, what I did was I cleanedup the pee on the floor, got him
changed.
I mean just sopping wet.
You know just, oh, man, yeah,so he's doing well party
(09:03):
training.
You know, you know, zuri,zuri's our, she's our.
Almost almost two months now,man, almost two months, bro,
almost two months now.
Damn man Doing well, bro,getting bigger, like just
getting bigger, bro, starting tosmile at you now.
You know, yeah, you know, justa little shadow.
(09:23):
Yeah, you know just a littleshadow.
Yeah, you know, just a little,yes, a little dark spot, you
know.
So, um, we got robie, robie six.
She's going into, uh, uh, firstgrade, so she's graduating from
kindergarten too.
You know, uh, crazy man, yeah,man, they do this little like
light ceremony where oh, yeah,you told me about that.
Yeah, we're at the kid's schoolwhere uh, the, the kindergarten
students who's graduating tofirst grade and the eighth
(09:47):
graders who's graduating to highschool.
High school, they do like alittle like handoff type, like
lighting the candle type, yeah,like lighting the candle type of
thing.
You know, um, yeah, it's reallydope.
I mean, there's never a dry eyein the house.
Yeah, for never drying for sure, um comes at you fast, man,
yeah, man.
And then we got, we got cairo.
Who's just like they're killingit, man, like cairo played like
(10:10):
four sports this year, like uh,um it like uh went to the ar
party for like reading abajillion words, you know, and
uh, he made uh, um, I think it'slike a 3.8 or something.
Uh, he had to go to like the Iforget what you call it like the
honor roll party or theprincipal's party, whatever,
(10:32):
it's good, the pizza, it's likethe pizza party.
Yeah, well, they do a hall,this guy man, the kids school do
like they do a whole event,like they get parents to
volunteer to do a little show infront of the kids and the whole
school is invited.
But the kids who have aspecific GPA has, like, they
have like different type,different color t-shirts on.
So like, 4.0 is what we're like, a yellow t-shirt and 3.8 is a
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blue t-shirt, whatever, you know.
Yeah, and they do like prizes.
So, like the volunteer parentsand teachers, like they'll play
like a song and then they'lljust come out from the back and
start throwing prizes at people.
It's so Talking about iPads, sodope, what kind of prizes are
you talking about?
Well, you know Cars, the typeof I know the kind of school you
go, I know the kind of schooly'all go.
I should say that they'rethrowing out loans.
(11:19):
Yeah, they're low interestrates, high credit scores
throwing them out.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, every once in a whilethey're sneaking a candy, but
yeah, for the most part it is,uh, country club memberships,
and you know it's just.
You know I'm sorry, man, thegoal in life is to do well.
You know I'm sorry.
Am I overcharging my clientsfor the amount of work that I
(11:42):
put in tariff sessions?
For sure, for sure, for sure,absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, for sure, can I be sued?
What are you gonna do?
You know daddy likes to eatsteak every night.
What are you gonna do?
You know his kids, kids, hiskids need things.
No, man, yeah, that's the kids.
So let's, let's, get into someof the stuff you wanted to check
(12:04):
in about.
Man, yeah, yeah, man, you justfinished, like, your little tour
of duty.
Tour of duty, it's not the same.
Oh man, yeah, bro, I'm free.
Yeah, I'm free.
They take the shackles off yourfeet so you can dance, bro.
Man, two years, two years inAssociate Dean.
I went to the dark side for twoyears, as many of you guys know
(12:26):
, and look, man, it was anexperience.
That boy became a nine to fiver.
Well, the funny thing is isthat, you know, because I had
the two jobs, it was really Astaff member.
It was really hard to like,genuinely hard to like navigate.
Where should I be at?
You know what I mean, like,should I be in this office?
(12:49):
Should I be in that office?
Like how much time should Ispend here?
So you told each job that youwere at the other and you went
to Walmart and you got your bagof Hershey nuggets and you went
and played golf, set my car on,cry, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And when I get missed calls,it's like oh, you got me in the
other office.
I'm across campus Because, yeah, I was in the other office.
(13:12):
That's funny, because I'm inyour other office.
Wait, what other office are youin?
What other office when you atright now?
Nah, man, it was good, Ilearned a lot, dog, one of the
biggest takeaways and we'regonna have to do this in another
cast, bro is and I sound oldsaying this man, like I hear it
coming out of my mouth, it's notlike it was back in the day.
(13:37):
Oh, my goodness, is this wherewe're going, bro?
Listen, listen back in my day,nah, but seriously, seriously, I
didn't even have computers inclass.
I had to fight for my life.
Now, here's what I mean, doc.
I, doc, there is so much, andprobably for a good reason, you
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know, probably for a good reasonthat it's lost on me.
You know, man, there is so muchred tape in between you and a
tough conversation.
Yeah, yeah, you know that.
That's like, that's the.
That's one of the biggesttakeaways, like talking therapy.
You know, you sit with a client.
There's no red tape.
Yeah, you know you need to tellthe client, like you know, uh,
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I was, uh, I was working withthis client around 40 or
something.
He never really made arelationship work and honestly
he's struggling to make ourrelationship work.
Okay, you know what I mean andI can have the hard conversation
and say this is why nobodywants to be with you.
Like I'm struggling to be withyou in this way, you know, and
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obviously all the relationshipsyada, yada yada going to be with
you in this way, you know, andobviously all the relationships
of yada, yada, yada.
But like as a, as a associatedean, like you can't just be
kicking down people's doors andtelling them like, hey, man, be
better.
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, no one, no one likes you,greg.
Yeah, you can't.
You know, like, hey, studentshave been complaining and I'm
(15:02):
here, you know, like a studentcomes in and I feel like what I
want is to be able to take astudent, bring them to the
faculty that they're complainingabout, and then we all have a
conversation about what's goingon.
You know, I want to be able towalk into a faculty member's
office and say, hey, man, thisis what I'm noticing to a
faculty member's office and say,hey, man, this is what I'm
(15:22):
noticing, you know, like, butyou can't really do that anymore
, or at least it feels like youcan't do that without having,
you know, like red tape.
Yeah, that's a huge thing.
When it comes to like, Iremember my time being a staff
(15:44):
member.
Trying to get anything done wasalways like, you know, you got
to.
Well, I mean, this person is incharge of, I mean, simple stuff
.
Like you know, this was thisperson's in charge of the chairs
.
So if you want an event in thisroom, you got to go so and so,
yeah, and you know, you go talkto so-and-so, and so-and-so is
like when do you need it?
When do you need it?
(16:12):
When do you need it in in twoweeks?
How many shares do you need?
Bro, they act like man, theyact seriously, like it's, like
it's, it's a it's, it's like anact of congress.
Yeah, you know, sometimes youknow, and sometimes it's not,
but sometimes it's just likeunnecessary anyway, and so the
whole thing boils down to I wishthat I had more time and I wish
(16:32):
that I had more freedom.
You mean like and is this thecry for help you were talking
about, or no, okay, okay, Ididn't know you were talking
about, like I said that withyour family, or I've said this
before to you man, look, shouldI, should I text lindsey or no?
No, I said this before.
Man, look, you give me fiveunfireable years, yeah, you know
(16:53):
.
Hey, five, five, get out ofjail free, five, five.
Turn the other way, dog.
If they give you five, get outof jail free like unfireable
years.
Hey, that faculty intramuralteam is going to be legit.
You're going to get D1 athletes.
Why are all of your adjuncts D1athletes?
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He can't teach.
Why are they all passed?
He can't teach, but past allAmericans.
Have you seen his fastball?
Though he's a switch hitter,man, I don't know.
He can't teach, he's got acriminal record.
But have you seen this vertical, a doctorate from Regent
University somewhere, oh, man,etched on you know hardwood?
(17:44):
It's like, yeah, okay, yeah,but let me see that jump shot.
Welcome to the team, welcome,here's your office, welcome to
the faculty.
You got some sides on, you,don't you?
Anyway, man, I learned a lot.
It was really dope to be you,to be part of faculty and stuff.
I wish I could have advocatedfor more.
I wish I could have did morestuff, but you're pulled in two
(18:07):
different directions, and Ithink the students are Would you
ever do it again?
Yeah, I think I would, man, butit's so hard to keep up the two
jobs.
You just feel like you'reneglecting everybody.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, like yeah, and I thinkthat's what I'm, that's what I'm
tired of, man.
Yeah, that's what your studentshave been saying to to be quite
(18:29):
frank, I know, because theytell me yeah, a lot of students.
Yeah, I don't know how you'reraising your students, but in my
program we encouragegenuineness and honesty, you
know, and I'm teaching them.
You know, I'm teaching mystudents, and then they flip it
(18:52):
on me.
You know, I don't know, man,and they say stuff like Dr
Austin, if you could wake up inthe morning and everything would
be perfect, what would be thefirst thing you'd notice?
I don't know, man.
What I would notice is thaty'all got a high turnaround rate
over there.
You got faculty members leavingleft and right.
(19:18):
I just fail them.
I just fail them, bro.
I just fail them.
I just fail them.
I just fail them.
I mean what I, what I, what Ihear, is that there's trouble in
paradise.
You know, yeah, nah, man, well,I, I just finished, like my
first year here at UL and, yeah,what I learned is is oh, man,
(19:42):
what I learned is, uh is, oh man, what I learned is that, bro, a
lot of stuff, man, one it's.
It is so like gratifying to beon a, to be at a job where
you're not like looking overyour shoulder.
You know, like you know, I'vehad jobs where they were like,
(20:02):
hey, can you let us know whatyour car making model is so we
can check to see if you're oncampus?
Yeah, you know, it's like what.
The micromanagement?
Yeah, you know, like you know,I've had jobs like that man in
higher ed.
You know where I'm, like, whereelse would I be?
I don't, I'm, you know.
Uh, yeah, you know.
(20:23):
And so, to have a job like thiswhere, like you know, not only
do the faculty get along butlike, uh, it's just a really,
it's just a really uniqueenvironment, you know to like to
, to, to, to be in at this, liketime in my life, you know, with
, like the kids, and like thefreedom to like say no to stuff,
(20:43):
you know, and like it's just,yeah, it's just, it's just dope
bro, so that, and also with withthe students, man, it's, it's
cool to see how, uh, likestudents kind of know what
they're missing.
You know, like no programmers,oh no, no program is perfect,
you know, but no, you know, butit is.
(21:08):
It is cool to like, as afaculty member, to kind of sit
back and be like hey, man, whatdo y'all like, what do y'all
need?
Yeah, that's the luxury ofbeing a new faculty.
Yeah, yeah, you have like anoutsider perspective, yeah, yeah
, yeah.
So it's weird.
It's weird that, like you know,I've been a faculty member for
years and years and years, butlike I and experience to
(21:30):
implement it, it's somethingthat yeah, it's dope, man, amen.
Can you say the word experienceagain?
Because the way you said it itwas like southern Louisiana, oh
my bad.
Because you said experience.
You said experience, you didn'tsay experience, it's coming out
(22:07):
of me, man, yeah, becausethat's what you will.
Yeah, man, like you just took ashot of rue and you said
experience, man, it's coming outof me, bro.
I can't help it, dog, sometimesI can catch it and sometimes I
just, you know, sometimes itjust morphs out of me, man.
Yeah, I'm cool man.
I hear that they're lucky tohave you.
(22:30):
I don't believe it.
I guess I'll see it when I seeit.
But I just know this when theymove you out of that coffin
office, you in, that's when youcan say that you've made it.
I actually like my office, butyou know, I don't know how you
can move in that place.
I mean, you know, dad's got alittle dump truck behind him,
(22:53):
but I can still move around.
You know A little dumpy behindme, but yeah, I, just when you
are, when your knees, when yourknees are touching another,
another student, that's when,yeah, man, I uh, maybe they'll
appreciate you I just, I, just,I just undo my hitch before I
walk in there, just, let me see,let me, let me say this, let me
(23:14):
say this If you feelunappreciated, I know a place.
Oh yeah, I know a place.
Oh yeah, I know a place.
I don't think y'all can treatme as well as us.
I'm not saying we, you put thatout there.
I'm just saying, if you'refeeling called to it, I know a
place where let's just say youhave friends, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(23:40):
Anyway, I mean, I appreciatethat I don't have to
respectfully decline.
I didn't.
That was no offer.
Yeah, with respect, no, again,your unconscious is telling the
tale, because there was no offer.
It seems like there's anundercurve here.
I don't know, bro, you addingall that stuff in.
(24:02):
I should say this too, that youknow, if you ever feel like the
Lord is calling you home, comeon, man, come on, bro.
You know it's interesting, it'sinteresting that you Come on,
man, come on, bro, you know it'sinteresting, it's interesting
(24:23):
that you would say that, bro, Iunderstand.
Anyway, man, all right, movingon, thank you.
(25:25):
So we got some listenerquestions, right, um, that I
kind of want to run past you,man, because, like you know,
it's, it's a, it's a, it'sclogging up my email, right,
yeah, so let's like we got aboutwhat?
Five minutes maybe?
So, yeah, five minutes.
Let's like we got about what?
Five minutes Maybe.
So, yeah, five minutes.
Let's like rapid fire.
This because I feel like if wedon't get through this, we're
never going to get through it.
(25:46):
Yeah, and then afterwards wecan talk a little bit about the
Business of Counseling Summit onMay 30th.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Iknow you got to get your
commercial in.
You can't, you can't, oh, yeah,yeah, bro, that boy, all right,
all right.
Every time, you know we shouldstart a new song for this
(26:07):
podcast.
It's like money, money, money.
It's not about money, bro, it'sabout education.
It's about helping the people.
It's about people helpingpeople.
You know it's provocative, I'mjust saying it is May 30th, the
business of counseling summit,live Q and a two, 30 Eastern
time.
Uh, log in, register, sign in,plug in, tap in, sit in and and
(26:34):
learn me and yours trulyspreading the wisdom.
Hold on, let me the wisdom.
Hold on, let me gospel.
I'm going to cut this out thecast.
So we're not getting paid forthis.
No honorary to be had, gollyman.
Not even an Amazon gift card.
(26:57):
I think we get a firm handshakethumbs up, alright.
Well, here's some listener.
Not even a amazon gift card.
No, I think we get a firmhandshake man, all right.
Well, all right man.
So here's, here's some.
Here's some listener, somelistener questions, bro.
Uh, we got about one, two,three, four, five, six, seven,
eight, nine, ten, eleven, a lot.
Pick these, random or something.
Uh, no, this is just like inthe order that they came in the
(27:18):
in the.
We're not going to get to allof them because people just
write in.
You know, sometimes peoplewrite in like, hey, you know, I
just want to let you know Ireally appreciate you more than
your brother.
You know some people write inlike, hey, what are you going to
break off and do your own castbecause he's holding you back?
Just, you know stuff like that,super specific, yeah, just
stuff like that.
But I didn't want to bring thatto the cast.
(27:38):
All right, man, let's startfrom the bottom, because that's
the most recent one.
This is from Kyle.
It says do I really needtherapy?
Dog, dog, no, no, no, that's agood question.
Okay, what's the?
Or Do I really need therapy?
Or?
I didn't read these questions.
(28:02):
So do I really need therapy orshould I just sage my chakras
and keep journaling?
Be honest, sage my.
I just honestly.
I just had this conversationwith the client, like maybe like
20 minutes ago.
Okay, you know where I meanseriously and like really
quickly, because I know how youare with time.
Look, hey, listen, if we, if meand Juz, are ever in a guest
(28:27):
lecture together and you'rewatching us, you best believe
Juz is texting me to stoptalking.
Oh my God, always and forever.
This falls right into the nextquestion.
So the next listener question.
I talk in appropriate amount oftime.
I wouldn't have to talk so muchif you wouldn't leave my
brother, if you wouldn't leavethe listeners my brother Listen
(28:49):
if you wouldn't leave thelisteners so dehydrated of
knowledge, so so, so,malnutrition I think this is the
topic for another cast becauseif you wouldn't leave them, so,
so, so, so perilous, I'm onlytexting you on the verge.
I'm only texting you becausethe, the, the, the participants,
(29:09):
that the people who are in thecrowd, if you wouldn't leave
them on the precipice of of ofpassing out, I wouldn't have to
share so much, but anyway.
So, kyle with the with thecrystals question, man, yeah, no
, no, sometimes you don't, yeah,sometimes you don't.
(29:31):
There's times where, seriously,I wonder, like, if you got
yourself a nice, like, if you,if you saved and you spent 75
bucks, if you, if you wentthrifting and then you got those
clothes tailored and you justfelt good, yeah, you know what I
mean.
Like, if you spent the moneydoing that.
Or, instead of coming to see me, you just went and got a
(29:52):
massage.
Well, sometimes people aren't.
Sometimes people like, I guessthe you know, the cool thing to
do nowadays is to like go totherapy, you know, yeah, but
like, sometimes people aren'tlike ready for therapy.
Exactly, they need to likedrink water, maybe go to sleep
(30:14):
on time, like, first order,change stuff, some of the stuff
that like just, yeah, eathealthier, you know, just like,
make those little changes.
And yeah, you can do that intherapy too, for sure, you know.
But like, but sometimes peoplecome into therapy and they're
like, you know, I want to talkabout my mom.
Well, I mean, but you're notsleeping though, you know, and
(30:35):
like you're not, you're nottaking care of yourself and and
you don't have and you don'thave to come in, perfect, you
know what I mean.
But I'm, I guess, when I'm,please don't, because you know
how else, how else am I going topay for, for this private
school?
It's just fun, it's just fun,you know.
But anyway, um, nah, I I dothink sometimes, like,
(30:56):
especially, you know, likesometimes clients want to dive
deep, and you know really, andsometimes, like dog, you really
just need to stop thinking aboutthis and I go on a vacation.
All right, here's the next one.
This is somebody actually fromLouisiana.
This is Shana.
She says she's from Shreveportand it was right up what we're
(31:17):
talking about.
She says, okay, if y'all aretwins and therapists, who
therapizes that's a word whotherapizes the therapist when
y'all get on each other's nerves, when, like me, and you get on
each other's nerves, yeah, whenme and you get on each other's
nerves, like what?
I guess she's asking, like,what happens?
(31:38):
Who kicks it?
Who kicks into therapy mode?
No, I think it's like you knowwho.
Uh, I just don't understandwhat you're saying, dog, she's
from shreveport, bro, this iswhat you get.
This is what you get.
She's from streetport.
Come on, man, are you upsettingthe whole demographic?
I'm just saying, man, she'sfrom streetport, if you, if you
(32:02):
have any quarrels about that,fight me.
You know where my office is.
Like, anyway, man, yeah, Iguess she's.
Like, you know who therapizes atherapist.
You know y'all get on eachother's nerves.
Well, like, I don't know,there's, no, there is no
possible way I can get on yournerves.
This is no way, okay, um,moving on, um, yeah, there's no
(32:26):
way, man, because I don't thinkwe have enough time to to, not,
I think here's what I hear theundertone, and you can tell me
if I'm wrong.
That's the undertone of thequestion I'm hearing, right,
like, can you turn it off?
Well, yeah, but I mean, youknow, like, or is there an
appropriate amount of time where, when you're having a
(32:47):
disagreement with somebody andyou're a therapist, you can, you
use your skills.
But if we make it even morepersonal to like me and you like
, yeah, dog, you do stuff thatirritates me and I do stuff that
irritates you.
But I think we know each otherso well, you know to where it's
like I can, I can kind of saylike hey, man, like when we go
(33:07):
up there, this is the pointwhere you're gonna be, you're
gonna be flapping them gums andI'm gonna have to, I'm gonna
have to pull on your littlecoattails and be like hey, man,
no, nobody cares about bonova,canova, fanova, denova, canova's
cannolis leg is in five, nobodycares about nobody.
(33:32):
Like you're going, you're goingoverboard with the.
Well, well, if you carry theone and you plus the two and you
put the and the z score, seewhat the z score is and the t
scores, there's a differencebetween the and.
Then you have the non-dominantvariant of the variance
dominance and then like jeez man.
(33:53):
So I'm sorry, I just want tolearn and teach people.
Bro, y'all should see our textthread.
During these conferences I'llbe in capital letters, shut UP,
shut UP, and I'll be respondingwith see, that's why nobody
loves you.
You see, when they call my name.
(34:15):
People clap when they call yourname.
Nobody says that's why I'll be.
I'll be saying some eloquentstuff.
I look down at my phone afterI'm done and I hear all I see is
you're adopted.
Golly, you got.
(34:35):
You got time for one more oryou need to dip.
I do need to leave, but let'sdo one more, okay, um, okay,
here we go here's.
This is from tasha, okay.
So I mean, we got so much mailI'm gonna have to, we're gonna
have to do like another cast andlike really, really get through
some of this stuff.
But this is Tasha.
Tasha says y'all ever had aclient you low-key, didn't like,
(35:00):
like, be honest, like you'restill ethical, but if they
cancel, you ain't mad.
This is an easy answer for me.
I don't know what it is for you.
I've never had a client Ididn't like.
That I didn't tell, which thenturned the client into somebody
(35:20):
I liked, and I don't have tolike everybody to work with them
.
You know what I mean.
But if there's something thatI'm experiencing that makes me
not want to be with the client,I tell them.
And you know why, dog, that'show I take care of myself.
Man, seriously, you rememberthat one client that I had tell
them.
You know, and you know why, dog, like that, that's how I take
care of myself.
Man, yeah, seriously, youremember that one client that I
had at the clc in our master'sprogram, the one who drove that
(35:40):
porsche and tried to pay me like200 a session, yeah, yeah, yeah
, you know which was extremelyhard not to take, but you know
it was a free clinic that wewere working in.
You remember that dude, likeit's not that I didn't like him,
is that like I don't think hecared if I liked him or not.
You know, yeah, I don't thinkthat was like fundamental to our
relationship and I think thatwas a learning point for me of
(36:02):
like, oh, you don't have to likeeverybody to work with them.
Like you don't have to liketheir political views, you don't
have to like their you knowstance on.
You know, name it, namewhatever it is.
You know you don't have to likethat, but do you like, if
there's a client that you don'tlike and they show up and you
have to work with them and youdon't tell them you don't like
(36:24):
them, you just keep working withthem.
Mm-hmm, Do you not think aboutthat all the time?
It for sure influences the waythat I feel about the client.
You know, All the time it forsure influences the way that I
feel about the client.
You know, yeah, but, like man,there's some clients that like,
there's some clients that ittakes a fair amount of
relational capital to be able tosay, you know, these are the
(36:47):
parts of you that really kind ofgrinds up against I know, you
know the parts of me that showsup in the session, I know, not
saying that we can't worktogether, but this is what's
happening between the two of us.
You know, and I'm wondering ifyou're noticing this you know,
like you don't have that type ofconversation with the client,
you know, but, yeah, I'm notlike, I'm not like, oh, I gotta
(37:10):
tell you that I don't like, yousee it.
But here's the thing, right,because, yeah, relational
capital and all of that stuff,and you do it appropriately, you
couch it and yada, yeah, right.
But seriously, man, if I'm like, you know what this person from
shreveport said, you know, likeyou know, and I don't say
anything, I think about it it'slike being in a relationship
(37:32):
with somebody you don't like butyou have to be.
You know what I mean.
Now it's different.
Like if my kids are playing ina softball team or a baseball
team and I'm sitting there or at-ball team and I just don't
like one of the other parents,like, I'm not out there, telling
that person like, and here'sthe reasons why, you know,
because they're not paying me.
(37:53):
You know what I mean.
But if a person comes in andthey're paying to be in a
relationship with me and payingfor me to you know, and I don't
say, look, let me be honest,just so I'm not just stealing
your money, yeah, it's hard forme to be in this relationship.
See that?
That, that that word you knowit's like it's it's really hard
for me to be in a relationshipwith you because of this.
(38:15):
But to flat out say, hey, Idon't like you, well, obviously
not.
You know what I mean.
That feels a little too likethat's your own stuff getting in
the way of the relationship Athousand percent.
Yeah, if you're just sittingthere, you know what I mean Just
throwing haymakers at clients.
But I do think that and I knowyou got a job.
But I do think some studentsget wrapped up in the idea of
(38:37):
like if you have a differentpolitical opinion than me, if
you have a different perspectivethan me, if you live a
different life or religiousbelief, then, like you know, I
don't want to work with you andlike, that's just not how we
were raised as clinicians, notat all.
Yeah, you kind of had to seewhatever came in and, honestly,
dog and this may be I don't knowhow the listeners are going to
(38:59):
feel about this Uh-oh, but Idon't think that that really
matters as much as we think itdoes.
Like, when it comes, like theperson's, like sexual
orientation, their religiousbeliefs, their political
leanings, like do you know whatI mean?
Their religious beliefs, theirpolitical leanings?
Do you know what I mean?
Really, when you're sittingthere and you're trying to
empathize, you're trying topersonalize the problem, you're
(39:21):
trying to flip that personalizedproblem into a goal, you're
trying to put that goal into thestructure of a theoretical
orientation and then you'retrying to move from session to
session using that theory, those, those theoretical concepts, as
an anchor for each session.
It kind of doesn't matter who.
You know what I mean.
(39:43):
They're such.
Now it matters in how theydiscuss the things right, right
and the nuances of it right andthen and then how those, how
those personal things willinfluence your relationship with
the client and yada, yada, yada, but just for you to do your
job.
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah,yeah, well, I mean, that's
probably something that we cankind of expound upon next time
(40:07):
we do this cast, If there's anext time, when there's a next
time, because, yeah, I got to go.
But, like I said, just for thelisteners, the summit May 30th.
On ACS website, business ofCounseling, we're writing a book
coming out in the spring 2026,called the Business of
Counseling.
Come and sign up for it, man.
(40:27):
2.30 Eastern Time.
Check out your boys.
Holler at your boys.
It'll be a live Q&A.
We're answering questions fromthe book.
We're answering questions justfrom our experience.
Man, I can promise you it won'tbe the well here thou hither,
thou thou this, it won't.
I mean, we're going to plan forit, obviously because ACA, you
(40:48):
know, is close to us.
You know we don't want to dropthe bag.
I mean, oh, I mean therelationship, the relationship,
sure, sure, but no, it's goingto be just like this man.
Anyway, I got to go.
I got to go.
Man, jesus is going to stay on,though.
He's going to talk to you guysabout correlation of
(41:09):
coefficients as well as thequalitative phenomenological
methodology.
If you guys want to stay on forthat, and he's also going to
talk to you guys abouttransactional analysis yeah for
sure.
And so the games that peopleplay, we're just.
I'm just going to read chapterby chapter Just stay on the line
(41:30):
.
Yeah, just stay on the line.
Keep that.
Keep that line.
Hot, don't go anywhere, we'llbe back.
All right, bro, I got to go,that was a better one, you.
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