Friday Night Rambles VOL: 19 - We Define The “Fuck Boy,” Share The Wounds, And Choose Peace Over Chaos - The Unbreakable Black Man Podcast

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Michael (01:29):
Yeah yeah yeah Welcome to the Unbreakable Black Man
Podcast and your host MichaelTerrell and I'm so glad that you
are here and I'm so glad that Ihave a whole gang of
individuals here we're about tohave a good conversation I'm so
happy happy with a big smile onmy face and all that good stuff

(01:54):
because as some people saidnobody even knows about this
podcast I did not say that it'sthe best podcast but anyway
y'all know we just like to geton here and have fun and have
good conversations and so I hada concept of a back and forth

(02:20):
thing right so I had a couple ofgood conversations with the
past guest on here and I waslike shoot all of them were
females so I was like I needed apanel of women to have a
discussion and then vice versawe're gonna let Miss Seven host
next week and we're gonna haveour daily Y ins and I have not

(02:43):
accepted that invitation itdoesn't matter so as everybody
knows we start off and yeah asy'all see y'all gonna see a
little rat at the bottom but youknow this is a support animal
for somebody so my baby so we'regonna start we're gonna start

(03:06):
at the end and we're gonnaintroduce you know let everybody
have a chance to introducethemselves so as everybody
introduce ourselves remembertalking to the microphone so the
people at home can hear andwho's the what's he do you want
to hear sure I was about to saywe're gonna hello everyone my

(03:28):
name is Ebony hello Ebony whatdo you want me to say tell us
about you who are you what yougot going on what makes you
Ebony okay you know ebony is ismany things um ebony is a Pisces

(03:51):
if you know what that means andum yeah I'm gonna leave it at
that for now yeah I'm gonna I'mgonna leave it there for now
okay all right my turn all rightso I'm Vanessa let me see I'm
chill but I'm here for a goodconversation seven invited me

(04:13):
I'm excited to hear what we'reabout to talk about might be
spicy a little bit more spicyI'm ready for it and you know me
it's the five the six the sevenum so yeah I'm still doing what

(04:35):
I've been doing and veryexcited to have these lovely
ladies with us here tonightincluding Miss Tootaloo and um
we're gonna have a greatconversation too we're gonna
have a great conversation it'salways great when we got ladies
because I'm usually the only oneand it's about fucking time me

(05:02):
okay hi my name is Tam Mac TamMac Miss Mac if you're nasty
okay and Tam motherfucking MacI'm a character what can I say
Pisces you get in the microphoneMiss Nasty was I'm not in the

(05:24):
mic I maybe you don't think thatI am because you don't have on
the headphones.
Oh well sorry it's alreadyspicy here we go you ask for it
for a V Do I need to be closernow you if you can hear yourself

(05:46):
you should be here it's my turnyes I'm Kiki hi Kiki hey y'all
I'm here here for goodconversation and laughs I'm
happy to see you ladies andsince we call now zodiac signs
let's not mention that Gemini isthe best Gemini is my spirit
like you know I'm Aquarius bythe way well I'm Sagittarius so

(06:09):
wait a minute my birthday'scoming up so let me put that out
there for everybody it's comingup yeah and we're gonna have a
good time today and hello myname is Michael and I'm here for
all the shits and giggles uhwe're gonna have a good topic
about uh why are there so manyFBs in Atlanta we would that

(06:35):
would be all night I'm a Scorpioum and I like to you know ride
my e-bike at nighttime oh my Godwhile the wind is beneath my
wings with no helmet orshouldn't help no my daughter
didn't have her shoes on I hadmy shoes on she didn't have hers

(06:57):
on so so so let's just jumpright into the the FB subject
okay can you tell us what the FBis first so for everybody out
there in La La Land Fuck boythat is what FB means they are
running rampant running and soyeah they that that yeah I'm I'm

(07:24):
here but we're gonna lose hearthis this wonderful conversation
about you fuck boys all rightbut I'm sorry did I interrupt
you no I was I'm sorry I was youknow but I was I had a thought
like because you asked likelet's define it but let's define
it because okay what doeseverybody think a fuck boy is

(07:48):
you want to start from this infirst since we um just a boy I
won't say a man a boy who justdoes not have his shit together
like you come with bullshit andthat is what I would define a
fuck boy it can be many thingsone particular being get your

(08:12):
shit together so that that yeahokay so that's that's one thing
that can define a fuck boy to meI would have to say narcissism
I mean I should just my numberone that's the best way for me

(08:34):
to describe it I like that Ilike all the definitions so far
um I would add you know which isdishonest just lying all that
like why are you lying you knowjust for easy like the lies keep

(08:55):
coming and coming and coming sowhat you guys said so I think
the ones that just play gameslike for the sake of playing
games and playing with peoplethat would be my definition my
ex-boyfriend though redactednumber one let him know too um I

(09:19):
I am not going to call his nameand give him that energy but we
will call him redacted numberone um a cheater someone that
cannot handle their emotionsthat is not emotionally mature
and has not healed themselvesbefore invading your space and I

(09:49):
could keep going but I'm gonnastop there and I'm gonna add a
little tidbit to write to likesummarize all this or not
summarize but one last littleunderlying thing is abusive.

Tam Mac (10:00):
Now not always in the physical sense but you so broken
that you don't know how tocommunicate you don't know how
to you you're just not equippedso don't even step to me if you
know but see a lot of them a lotof them be oblivious because
they seen their parents do it sonow they feel like this is what

(10:24):
love is and that is normal.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
But that also goes back to not healing you know
we're daddy came from a veryfucked up family mama daddy
fucked up family and that's whathe saw and acknowledged that
but instead of working on it andwanting to do better you say

(10:52):
that but you're not doing thework to be a better person.
Is he a denial?
Very much so very much I see ityet you know because that was
one of the things I said you'reacting just like your father
yeah and that was so triggeringto him but you are you're acting
just like the man you say youhate so much but I think hurt

(11:14):
people so because of that Ithink hurt people that feel more
comfortable hurting otherpeople like they understand how
to live in a space of hurt sothey're not trying to heal like
I'm comfortable here but I'mgonna bring everybody else into
my shit of your life but you'rereally uncomfortable there.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
So so based on what we're all saying like is it
important you know tocommunicate the unhealed things
in all of us because we're allwe all come with something or we
might be working on things soit's it's not to say that we're
just unhealed and we just outhere but like should you come

(11:55):
out with that you know and atwhat point do you share that?
Are they scared to share it?

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Like when should what should we be doing that we're
not doing I think that youshould share it.
But at what point do you shareit?
And then if you're going toshare it be ready to share it
and do something about it.

Tam Mac (12:12):
Don't just share shit to be sharing it because you
could have kept it right andleft me alone I feel like it
should be shared only how can Isay that share it when you know
it's with the right person.
Because a lot of these peoplewill use that as a uh shot fire

(12:36):
you know they'll use it they'llbe so quickly using that should
be shared that information tothe wrong person.
It was something you said whatwas that question you asked when
do we share when is it time toshare it?
When is it time yeah when is ittime to share so it's like I
would say as soon as I find outor realize that this person

(13:00):
could be worth it you know whatI'm saying like okay this person
is worth me being vulnerable Ishould say worth me opening up
to I feel but at what point doyou do you determine that you
are safe with this person itdepends on you.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Okay you can feel yeah but the fuck boy know yeah
it's action but does a fuck boyknow that they're a fuckboy like
they don't they don't know thisso they think it's
acknowledging right because youhave to actually know and I
don't think that they know it Ithink that this is normal to
them and I think that theyattract when they find somebody

(13:38):
I think who is healed they don'tknow how to receive that right
so they really lose their mindso they are comfortable plugging
with other people who are nothealed right but this is this is
a part this is a part of thattoo in my situation he wanted to
be different for me.

Ebony (13:59):
And so he sent his representative and he said he
tried to be the person that hewanted to be and he thought I
wanted to be but that's onlygonna last so long because it's
not authentic.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
And then the mask is gonna slip and the real person
is going to eventually come outand show themselves.

Tam Mac (14:24):
I speak my mind, I always speak my mind but now
after I have spoken my mind youcan't it's too late for you to
do anything about it.
Because now I don't know ifyou're doing it because I
brought it up or if you're doingit because you genuinely care.
So just don't do it for me atall at this point.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
But I want to hear from let's hear from a man of
all this what you got to say.

Michael (14:50):
I don't personally deal with fuck with it I hear you
know a lot of the things thatyou ladies are saying and it's
hard for me to you know giveanswers when I hear a lot of

(15:12):
times that the way that I handlethings or the way that I look
at things or the way that I actor you know whatever is kind of
different.
So for me to sit here and sayyou know oh they don't do that I
would be lying right but what Ican say is that you know it

(15:32):
does suck.
Um I do believe I was I wouldwell let's start with this I was
raised by a grandfather whoshowed me what a good man was
right and so when I'm out here Itry to play as if I was him and

(15:52):
I don't pay attention to what'sgoing on around me.
Like so I know that that I'veI've heard it I've seen it with
my mother my aunts my cousinsI've seen it you know but I
don't think that y'all deservethat I don't um I do know that
it's supposed to be that youknow a woman's supposed to be

(16:16):
able to hide up under herhusband's or her man's bosom and
feel protected and safe in allaspects emotionally spiritually
physically but um the way theworld's played out now is um you
know our influence isn't homeno more right our influence is

(16:40):
Nicki Minaj our influence is isis is Kanye West Jay Z ring
right but but but then you gotyou got you got the guy saying
you know you know don't don'tlove that bitch yeah don't love
that bitch don't love that hoedon't trust that hoe don't trust

(17:02):
that bitch yeah that's all wehear and as a kid like I'm
thinking about like we weretalking about the other day like
um I used to listen to like oldrappers Bone Thugs Harmony and
E uh E40 Too Short and all thisother stuff and I ain't never
really recognized how much theywere trying to program me to
hate myself hate hate hate mywomen you know hate education

(17:28):
hate to be smart like they theylike literally in in every
influence that we have out hereit's it's it's it's like a it's
like a needle filled with theworst type of drug and it's
feeding it to us.
So now by the time you do havea man that gets older and he

(17:50):
don't have no daddy trying toshow him because luckily I had
my grandfather at least show mewhat it was to be a provider a
builder so I that's how Ilearned how to build that's how
I learned how to work on thingsbecause it was like that's what
niggas do.
You know what I'm saying?

Tam Mac (18:06):
So that's how I just knew so when I see people that
were like I don't know change notire like how nigga please my
daughter knows how to change thetire at 15 that's the crazy
part about it when I got myfirst car my father taught me
how to change a tire and then mygood friend her tire went flat
I'm like friend like it'snighttime we have kids I said

(18:26):
where would you have been wherewould you be without me she said
I'll call my dad where wouldyou be without him or I'll find
somebody Jason because my dadwouldn't teach me anything

(18:47):
because my dad is very much inmy life I love my daddy that's
my dog however I'm gonna call mydad same I'm gonna call him and
if I can't call him I'mprobably gonna be somewhere
freaking the fuck out.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Who knows?

Michael (18:59):
But if I had to change the tire it don't take rocket
science I would do it but I justfeel like you know I have men
in my life that will yeah butsee you you you you you a you're
a secure daddy's girl yeah forsure yeah you know that daddy's
gonna be there it's a di but butthat's that's the security that
a woman should have with herman too yeah it is it's supposed

(19:21):
to be the the the the the likeif if that if if you call me and
I don't care if I'm in BuckTusca Alabama and you say baby I
got a flat tower shit it'sgonna take on the way it's gonna
take me two half hours to getthat baby but I'm on the way
just described another anotherFB the one that gets mad because

(19:41):
I still call my daddy I thinkthat's really interesting
because I think that they areused to wanting somebody to
depend on them.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yeah right and so your father is now yeah right
like I need I need you to behere you gotta be all with me
totally consumed in me so anyother man is going to present a
challenge but my daddy notmissing any pieces to the puzzle
that's right he might have allthe missing pieces and you want
me to count on your puzzle butyour puzzle is missing pieces

(20:12):
and I know for a fact it'snothing missing here so I'm
gonna call my daddy where I feelsafe.
Your shit is not together so Ican't and in order for me to you
want me to eliminate my dad yougotta I can't do that.
I'm never gonna do that.

Michael (20:26):
However I I understand that you want to be that man but
are you showing me and show upand doing what I just want to
always like be with you so Irelate my dad you know
transitioned in 2019 oh god butlike I have that embedded in me
like you know to where I knowthe difference and I haven't

(20:48):
always lived to know thedifference but you learn and you
grow you have to figure it outon your own but still like I
know like what I shouldn't bedealing with and what you know
whatever and like that's a and Ium when I say this I hope y'all
understand affiliate but it'sit's kind of privilege because

(21:09):
not everybody grows up even ifyour dad is in the house right
yeah he might not be a fatherright yeah you know absolutely
and it was it's like I Icouldn't say oh it's okay
because I can call my dad Iwould say oh it's all good I
call my youngest child's fatherhe was the one that taught me

(21:31):
that he said shouldn't no otherman be able to play you ever
again in life because I'mteaching today you know what I'm
saying so yeah they used to getreal mad when I just said it's
all good but at least I knoweven still to this day I can
call him up and if he don't wantto listen guess what I can call
his girlfriend and be like thatyou know what I'm saying so

(21:53):
like I'll always be a part of mylife yeah yeah you know the
funny thing is with with mydaughter since she was a baby
I've never hear talk differentnothing she's always got the raw
me in something real raw okayyou're like we say that she is

(22:16):
just like you see sometimes theybecome intelligent but that but
that's how but I I I I tell herall the time I said look I said
I'm teaching you independencenot to use it as a weapon right
but so you will be able to goout there and have value right
you know what I'm saying it'snot to be used as a weapon I

(22:36):
don't need that no no no no cuyou do you know just as much as
because my I I love when I getto see my daughter she'll be
like my dad needs me I'm likebut but but a woman should
always know that a man needsthem just as much as we need

(22:57):
y'all right and that's andthat's another thing we're
missing because you got to and Isay this especially living in
Atlanta you have too many niggasthat that feel like like they
don't need because there is anabundance let me let me add on
to that let me add on that holdon hold on hold on this mic it's

(23:22):
too many men it's too many menout here with mother issues who
have seen their mothers beendisrespected played treated like
shit so they feel like okaywell I can get away with it this
is what I've seen all my lifenot saying necessarily that this

(23:42):
is what they're set out to do.

Tam Mac (23:45):
It's like you said it's in them it's embedded in them a
lot of them don't even know itnot to not to you know justify
it or anything but just to sayyou know a lot of them don't
even know and when you try totell them they're in denial oh
that's not me oh like you saidjust like your father oh that's
not me I used to be like thattoo until somebody you said
you're just like your mom and Isaid back and I thought and I

(24:07):
was like you know what you'reright I am maybe I am that bitch
and I just left it at that sobut it's like people don't want
to turn that mirror onthemselves that is very hard to
look in that mirror and actuallysee it um and I think that was
part of the problem just theacknowledgement of it not being

(24:30):
able to acknowledge that I havethis this flaw um you know we
talked about me and redactedtalked about therapy um because
I'm going to therapy and I knowthat it's not for everybody but
it was for me.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
I think that was definitely something that he
needed um but therapy is notgonna work if you're not honest.
So there's no point in youwasting your time or the therapy
time or your money.

Ebony (25:01):
That part um so he tried it but again it's not gonna work
if you're not honest.
You're not gonna get anythingout of it.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
Um he is forever going to be broken and it was
just one of those situationsthat I had to come to realize
that I am healing and I am goingto continue to heal and instead
of him doing the work andhealing he is just fucking his
way around Atlanta.
Right.
And I think a lot of men dothat.

(25:31):
Women well some women thank youlet me rephrase some women will
take the time after a breakupto heal.

Ebony (25:45):
We will not run and jump on top of or under another man.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
We will sit here we will deal with our emotions we
will cry scream do all of thethings that's the phase that I'm
in now some men don't do that.

Michael (26:00):
Yeah they will just go run from woman to woman to woman
thinking that's going to fixthe problem and it's not they're
they're chasing a void becausethere's something missing in
them that they are trying tofeed and it's crazy because I
had an ex tell me in the midstof our breakup you know it

(26:23):
doesn't matter if we break uptoday or tomorrow I will still
be with somebody new by the endof the week because I can't be
alone that's gross but I but Ithink there's a lot of men that
can't be vulnerable like thatright like that takes a lot of
vulnerability but there's athere's a male and female
there's a lot of people thatdon't know how to be alone they

(26:45):
will settle and they will bewith an abusive relationship
they'll be in a broke situationthey'll deal with somebody's
badass kids with the baby mama ababy dad because they like I I
I I don't know I just I I can'tsee myself without them no you
can't see yourself being alonebut there's a lot that also

(27:06):
think toxic is normal you knowlike that you remove toxic and
have peace and it's like I don'tknow how to do that.
Or it's too boring for them.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Right yeah or it's too boring for them that part
yes and that's so sad like it'sso sad.
I remember you know talkingabout therapy like I am divorced
and in my marriage like we didpre we did and this should have
been a sign it should have beena sign but we did couples
counseling when we were justdating and I remember the

(27:37):
therapist had this look on herface while we were talking to
her and she just looked at meand I could hear her words.
It was a white woman and shejust gave me this look like sis
and I don't know why I don'tknow why my ass and then that

(27:59):
was just we were dating then wehad the premarital and I'm
thinking he about to be honestthere's no honesty there's no
coming out with all the wasn'tthe same therapist no premarital
okay different which makes iteven worse with a third bat like
go to the next office and thenwe had one you know when we were

(28:31):
married like because I was kindof at that point where I was
like I don't think I can do thisand but what I will give him is
every time he suggested itwhich you know I felt like was
it gave me hope but that lastone gave me the same look as the
first one and he just looked atme like this like and you know

(28:55):
and it's like I think that forme personally and I don't know
if anybody else on the panel canrelate to this but I felt so
much pressure in my 20s my 30sof like do you have a boyfriend
and if you do have a boyfriendwell when are y'all gonna get
married and if you you know it'slike it's always something you

(29:18):
can't just live and I know thatyou don't have to buy into that
or listen to it but when it'scoming from everywhere including
like you know people closest toyou who should be like kind of
you know making you feelcomfortable right to just live
like not um so anyway I justfeel like um sometimes it's okay

(29:41):
that's gonna click it twice I'mtrying to think of the point I
was trying to make I lost wellI'm gonna I'm gonna chime in yes
thank you because um again forthose that don't know we are
cousins um not play play cousinswe real first cousins our mamas
came out the same vagina

Seven (30:03):
So alcohol speaking.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
So I am I am divorced.
I am forty-five and I do nothave children.
And so I did not feel thatpressure to get remarried.
Um or even have children perse.

(30:33):
Because I just disappointedpeople.
I really don't give a fuck whatanybody says.
Um but I definitely got thecomments.
Yeah.
I definitely got the when I wasmarried.
I got married young.
I got married when I was in themilitary.
I was like 23.
And then we we separated when Iwas 27.

Ebony (30:51):
Um so it was the oh my god, I can't believe you're
you're getting a divorce whenyou're so young.
And then it was the oh when areyou gonna have kids?
Do you want kids?
It was the stupid, do you likekids?
You know that.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
And then it was the even ignorant, oh who's gonna
take care of you when you getold?
See, I got married, yeah.
You know, like who who's thisfirst of all?
Let's be clear the majority ofpeople in nursing homes have
children.
Yeah, right?
Um, so it's those comments.
It's never been pressure, it'sjust ignorant ass comments.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
And I, for one, want to be the the person that breaks
that cycle.
Like, I have a daughter, she'sfive, and I will never ever do
that to her.
Like, I want her to live herlife, I want her to travel, do
all the experiences, just beherself.
I'm not gonna be like, whydon't she no, do you like

(31:49):
whatever it is in your head,that's what you do.
Like, don't let nobody make youfeel no kind of way because I
think, sorry, the oldergeneration in their day, it was
about getting married and havingbabies.
Right.
But like, we have we havedreams, we have things that
we're interested in, we want tosee the world, we wanna whatever
the fuck it is, even if you dowant to get married and have

(32:11):
kids, do that.
But let everybody just do whatthey want to do because that
pressure stuff, it does matter.
And I I for the longest Iignored it and I pushed it to
the back, and I'm like, I'mlike, I can't make this man
propose to me, and I'm okay thathe doesn't, like, whatever.

Tam Mac (32:29):
I mean, you just dodged a bullet.
Like, if he didn't propose toyou yet, it's for a reason.
Right for a freaking reason.
It's for a reason.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
And marriage should not be the goal for women.
Like, I'm sorry, like mydaughter, I want her to do her
thing.
Like, she's so talented, so doyour thing.
Like, like following after aboy or a man, that can take it
from experience.
That like it's not the way.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
I think it's okay though, for women to be single.
I read an article the otherday, and it said that women over
their age of 45 that make overa hundred thousand dollars a
year are single and happy.
And that said in my spiritbecause that's me.

(33:17):
Um and after what I have gonethrough, I know that I'm saying
that because I'm, you know,going through a breakup.
Because I definitely said thatafter my divorce, I never want
to get married again.
Um, so I'm not saying that Iwill never be in a relationship
again, but I am saying that ifthat does not happen for me, I'm

(33:39):
fine.
Like my cousin knows I will hopon a plane in a heartbeat.
Yeah.
Um, that is the only aisle thatI want to walk down at the
moment.
Um, I am fine with that.
I can have a great life withoutthe other things.
Yeah, I think.
I think the narrative ischanging too now, right?
Like they have far more singlewomen than there were before.

(34:02):
Now, to me, my parents havebeen married for 50 years,
right?
Which is a beautiful thing.
I don't know that I could havestayed watching the dynamics of
their relationship, and Irealize I probably haven't
settled down because I get tochoose.
Like, I don't have to put upwith somebody else and shit.
Like I I can walk when I wantto walk, I can be peaceful and

(34:22):
happy.
But there was at one point intime, marriage made sense,
right?
Women didn't make as much asmen, right?
And so they had to rely on itwas security, so they had to
rely on men.
I think the dynamics havechanged now where there's more
women that are making more thanmen, which is normally the men
that I date don't make as muchas me.
Now I don't judge, that's fine.

(34:43):
But I think that's what I findthe majority of time.
And now I get to choose.
So I I'm loving, I love singlelife.

Michael (34:50):
I get to go in the flowers and pluck my butt, but I
can do it when I want.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Come here.
Yeah, and I don't have to.
Now that doesn't mean I haven'tbeen in shitty ass
relationships and put up withsome bullshit.
I've definitely done that,right?
That's my own work that I'mstill dealing with and working
through.
But I do get to choose anddon't have to rely on a man to
be here to support me to make mehappy.

(35:16):
Like I can't.

Tam Mac (35:20):
I didn't even have it to where I could support my own
self, and I still wasn't puttingup with it.
I would live under a bridgebefore you ever feel like you
would tell me what I should dowith my life.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
So I mean I'm not saying that I'll put up with it.
And I'm not saying that.
Is that okay?

(35:51):
No.
No, I I would want, no, I don'tnecessarily want marriage.
I want a partnership.
So I need somebody that comesin as my partner.
If it ends up in marriage coolor not, I'm fine with that too.
So I don't, I want thecompanionship, okay, but I don't
need you to take care of me.
Now I want somebody who's gonnashow up for me.

(36:13):
And I want to be able to showup for them too.
Like that should be a mutualthing.
But I don't need to have you tosurvive.
I mean, I have enough supportaround me.

Tam Mac (36:23):
That's the crazy part because I remember hearing
somebody say somebody asked Jadaa question, Jada Smith a
question about need and Will tomake her happy.
Or I think Will was asked thisquestion, don't quote me, but
one of them was asked thisquestion.
And Will Smith was like, Idon't need to make her happy.

(36:44):
She makes her happy.
That you know what I'm saying?
I'm just along for the ride.
I'm here for the support.
And that was the real shit Ihaven't heard.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
Like, I guess I mean it is because like I get what
you're saying.
I'm not saying that I want tobe single forever.
That's not what I'm saying.
Right.
But I'm saying that if arelationship, the kind of love
that I desire does not happen, Iam okay because I am never
going to settle ever again.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Right.
So it seems like the man in theroom may have um some thoughts.
I did hear clear stone.

Seven (37:22):
I did hear some things.

Michael (37:25):
I'm just sitting here, just I'm just sitting here
eating up what you know, whaty'all dish and how it tastes
good, you know.
Oh, it didn't be heat, okay.
I mean, I guess.
So, so so just I understand, II I understand everybody in the
room.
And like I said, I don't knowhow these niggas is.

(37:46):
So, you know, I can only speakon how, you know.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
But you know some.
You know you gotta know some.
I'm just saying.
We know you gotta do some.
You know some.
So when you have thoseconversations with them, right?

Michael (38:07):
You know, I have real conversations with with with
people, man.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
So so so what what do they say?
Do they know first of all, dothey know that they're fuck
boys?
Because you gotta know that.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Michael (38:18):
I mean, just that just as much as today's woman that is
out there is proud of thembeing out there, these guys are
just as proud as being, youknow, FBs.

Tam Mac (38:32):
That's awful.
And but so when the F B meets aR B, they can't get in their
feelings.

Michael (38:41):
So why does she gotta be an R B?
Why can't she be a H-O-E?
Because that doesn't seem to beI'm just saying, what I'm
saying is you give you give theman the negative shit, and then
she's a boss bitch.

Tam Mac (39:02):
I didn't say boss, I said real.
Okay, okay.

Michael (39:06):
Okay, okay, but what I'm saying, alright, so here we
go.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
Go ahead, go ahead.
Put the cup down.

Michael (39:14):
The fuck boy could be a real nigga too, right?
Hell but just as just as muchbased on our description.
Based on your description,uh-huh, no.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
Oh, okay.

Michael (39:27):
But based on a reality of the individual, it could be.
Because first off, first off,let me let me let me fly this
plane and land thismotherfucker.
You know what I mean?
No, I'm just playing playing.
But uh, but what I'm trying toget at is basically is guys over

(39:51):
time, right?
And I'm not saying this for allguys, I'm just saying this for
what we're talking about rightnow.
But just as much as women havebeen burnt over the years,
there's a lot of guys that havebeen burnt over the years.
And so just as much as the guyshave been burnt over the years,

(40:12):
and they like, you know, hey.
Let's be honest, let's behonest.
Yeah, let's be honest.
Because because there's just asmuch dirt coming from from up
under your nails as it is uh uhan FB.
Very clear.

(40:32):
And just as much as there aregood women out there, there are
bad women.
There are good guys out there,there are bad guys.

Tam Mac (40:39):
Here's my question.
My question is why is itacceptable for the FB not to
recognize this and heal himself,but the woman has to do it to
accept the FB?
That's my question.

Michael (40:50):
But how is that though?
Because a lot of times we haveto accept each other in the
circumstances that we deal with.
A lot of times I don't want todeal with you, but I gotta be
with you.
Because of the circumstances.
In the same way, when everytime you get your ass smacked
around and you bring your assback, but then you want sympathy
from everybody else.

Tam Mac (41:10):
If I'm getting smacked around, we both sit in the
hospital.

Michael (41:14):
But but that's not that's not our aspect.
So so all I all I'm all I'mgetting at is all I'm getting at
is is there are traumas on bothends.

Tam Mac (41:25):
Right.

Michael (41:26):
There are traumas that men have been through just as
much.
And then let's let's not let'snot pin this on today.
This is an unbreakable blackman.
Let's pin this, whatever.
But let's pin this all on likelike all the way back in the
day, back in slavery day.
Like, we never been on the sameaccord.
We've never been on the sameaccord, we've always been

(41:48):
battling with each other.
We've all we play like, oh, youbetter not touch my black
queen.

Tam Mac (41:54):
But why is that?
Let's get to the real.
Why is that?
Why have we always been hitagainst each other since way
back then?

Michael (42:03):
Because we've been fucking auction pieces.
We've been slaves, we've beenseparated, we've been we've been
Jim Crow.
Why?
Because the family is strong.

Tam Mac (42:14):
Powerful together, yeah.

Michael (42:15):
Right.
So so now so now we are here.
And and and we don't know ifit's the we we're too busy
worrying about the chicken andthe egg.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah.

Michael (42:26):
Right.
But I I really do feel like,you know, I hear I could be by
myself.
I don't need this and I don'tneed that.
And I'm like, damn.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
I never said that.
And first of all, I didn't saythat with a neck roll.

Michael (42:41):
My bad.
That'd be dramatic.
And I don't think that's a goodone.

Seven (42:46):
We don't need anybody else.
We made sure to say we're.

Michael (42:50):
And remember, guys, what I always say.
Listen to the message.
Don't pay attention to themessengers.
Because sometimes they look atwhat the messenger is doing and
all that stuff instead oflistening to the valuable
message at hand.
But let's go back.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
But we agreed with you when we said we need each
other.
We agreed with each other.

Tam Mac (43:07):
But see, here's the thing.
It's not that we're saying wedon't need a man.
It's we're saying we arechoosing our piece for that by
the wrong man.
Or being saying we don't have.

Michael (43:20):
But but uh first off, why y'all saying that?
Y'all start off wrong.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
What do we do?
Who is it?

Michael (43:28):
Y'all, y'all, oh yah, y'all.
I'm shot.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Who is y'all and what do you do?

Michael (43:38):
YouTube.
When y'all, when y'all in theearly in the in the early days,
in the early days, in the earlyages.
Y'all know y'all passed up thegood guys.
Y'all know y'all passed up thegood guys.
So let me say this.
Y'all know that y'all passedup.
Y'all know that y'all passed upthe squares.
Y'all know.

(43:59):
Y'all know.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
I'm still I don't think I've ever passed up a
square.
Aww.

Ebony (44:03):
I did.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
I wouldn't own that.

Tam Mac (44:05):
I did not.

Ebony (44:06):
Thank you.

Tam Mac (44:06):
But you can be saying about men.
Men look over good women.
You really got me on the book.

Michael (44:12):
But what's the what's the definition?
What's the definition of whatyou were saying, Kiki Sorry?

Speaker 6 (44:19):
Maybe, maybe one.
Maybe, and that's a maybe.
And then I have one.

Michael (44:25):
Are you talking about the good guy?

Speaker 6 (44:26):
She said she has a I said maybe.
Maybe one.
Maybe one.
I definitely did.
I've had someone.
But in the pastor now, Icouldn't have been a pastor's
wife.

Michael (44:35):
And no, and so okay, but see, for me, more recent
times, I've been running intowhat could what is a good guy
now, but you still have unhealedtrauma.

Tam Mac (44:53):
So yeah.
And you don't want to mess themup.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
So yeah, you could be good guy.
And but I also see that thereis very much so unhealed trauma.
I've been running to that a lotlately.
Like you've been marriedbefore, you've been with
somebody before, you've been oneof those guys that's been burnt
before.
But now here I am.
And I've been burnt before too.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
You know, but I've never you're still open.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
But I'm still open because I haven't done those
things.
I've never been married.
I only have one kid.
You know, I'm still younger.

Tam Mac (45:22):
Hypothetically speaking, you meet someone that
is in the healing process aswell as you being in your
healing process.
I feel like if you guys canheal together, then that will
make the world of a difference.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
Under yes, that will make a world difference.
However, you don't think it'simportant for you to heal
yourself first?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know that you areyou ever really truly healed?
No, I mean there's a lot ofstuff that we're talking about
like deep down.
I think there's certain thingslike it's certain things that I
will allow, it's certain thingsthat I will allow you to heal

(45:59):
with me.
Give us some buttons.
Like what's like, okay, youcan't heal the shit that I have
inside for me and growing upwith my parents.
Right.
You can't do that, right?
Right.
And when I say my parents, letme not say, well, yeah, I can
say my parents, but more so, letme just point out me and my
mom, you can't do shit aboutthat.
Yeah, right.
You can't, you know, so that'ssomething that I have to like.

(46:21):
I'm okay with, like you said,letting you know what my trauma
is.
I'm okay with talking to youabout it and things like that,
but you can't help me heal that.
You can't you can't even helpme heal.
You can't even help me healfrom an ex.
You can't.
That's something that I have todo.
Like, you can't, I can't crawl.
But like if he had jealousyissues, that's some shit that

(46:41):
you need to work on before youcome over again.

Ebony (46:44):
Yeah, yeah.

Tam Mac (46:45):
To a certain extent.
Like, I feel like I've healed alot, however, I'm not all the
way there yet.
Right.
I am at least to the pointwhere I am stable enough to know
who I am.
Yeah.
You know, and I feel like um Ican heal or at least try to heal
with someone beyond that pointbecause I know in the back of my

(47:07):
mind that once I start seeingthose warning signs, it's time
for me to go.
Like this is no longer servingpurpose.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Do you think it's okay?
Okay, let's just say it's thosecertain things that, like you
just said, do we ever reallyheal?
Right?
Do you think it's okay to justI guess where you are now,
you're not all the way to theway under your head, and just go
ahead and jump into the andallow it to go and just be

(47:37):
happy.
Like I'm where I'm at now, I'mI'm living by living the moment.
Yeah.
Because I don't know, likedwelling off the edges.
But that's healing.
That's a part of your healing.

Michael (47:51):
I I know, I know for for for me for me, when I went
through both of like like mystrong breakups that I went
through.
They were on the same Richterscale of my parents dying, or
like somebody I love died.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
You know, you mean like the hurt from it?
The hurt from it.

Michael (48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
Oh, you actually had your heart broken?

Michael (48:19):
I have.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
He looked like bitch a couple times.
I'm just a little shocked.
I'm sorry.

Michael (48:26):
No, no, no, I have.
Um, yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
I'm so sorry.
But I think this is important.

Michael (48:35):
You I will interrupt everything if I well, I mean,
you know, we normally take abreak eventually, but y'all,
y'all want to take a break realquick.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
I mean, she has to peace.
I just don't know how much or Ican.
Because I said something.
Okay, yeah, let's let's take alittle 15 minutes.
But please pin that because weneed to hear your break.

Tam Mac (48:52):
Don't forget what you was about to say.
What you were gonna say?
The Richter scale.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
The Richter scale.
Oh, I'm not gonna forget thatbecause I didn't get his thing.
Okay, I just can't we're back.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Yeah.
And we're back.
And uh, Mr.
Unbreakable Black Man, you washaving a moment.

Michael (49:18):
I was so like I was saying earlier, yes, my heart
has been broke before.
It has been broke twice.
Kinda keep that at that.
Um And um Yeah, I've I've hadmy heart broke before, and um,

(49:56):
so um So I'ma do I'm gonna dothe full.
I'm not gonna be like my sideof the story.
So in retrospect in my first ummy first marriage, my um my
relationship with my daughter'smother, um I was not stable, I

(50:21):
had no good job, um, I was ajailbird, you know, um, I was
one of those young, dumb justanything that sounds exciting, I
did it.
And so with that being said, Iused to always get my ass in
trouble.
Uh once I got older, I figured,you know, hey, I wanna, you

(50:45):
know, pursue better things.
And so when I, you know, camethree months from you know being
home, I got married.
Um so that was uh a challengeall by itself because I'm trying
to support somebody that had,you know, kids of their own with

(51:07):
an income that I don't have.
So that was a mental block.
You know, we say that we don'theal ourselves before we get
into something.
I was not healed from nothingwhen I got into my first
relationship.

Ebony (51:26):
Can I interject and ask a question though?
No problem.
So you said that you gotmarried, what is it, three
months after coming home?
So did you know her before youwere incarcerated?
Or is that another celebrity?

Michael (51:40):
It's a story, but I'll tell it.
Um Yeah, I I knew her prior.
Um, she was one of my cousinsuh best friends.
Um earlier I I would have neverthought that I would have
talked to her because she usedto talk to somebody I knew back

(52:01):
in the day, and so we never evenlooked at ourselves like that,
and then one day out of nowherewe hang out, you know, and that
led to us talking about livingwith each other, and we were
like, Well, well, she was like,I don't want to live with nobody
I ain't married to, and then mydumbass three months.

Seven (52:24):
Let's get married.

Michael (52:26):
Well, why don't we just go down to the courthouse and
get married?

Ebony (52:29):
Meet me at the office, bro.

Michael (52:31):
So, so and the fun but the funny thing we always joke
about is you know, we say thatthese people that date forever
and then get married, that shitdon't last at all.
But we got married in threemonths and it lasts for 10
years.
Oh, okay.
And we still cool as shit todaybecause we had a foundation of

(52:52):
friendship before we even gotinto a relationship, and that's
kind of why my dumb ass said,well fuck it, let's get married.

Speaker 10 (52:59):
Like, we cool, like shit, why not?

unknown (53:01):
We cool.

Michael (53:03):
Everybody's like, that wasn't romantic.
I was like, I don't think therewas really much.

Seven (53:07):
So that's really what you said?

Michael (53:09):
Yeah.
There's no sugar coating.

Seven (53:12):
We cool.

Michael (53:13):
I ain't say we cool.

Seven (53:15):
Did you get on M Y?

Tam Mac (53:16):
No.
Oh, damn.
Y'all want to hear how I gotproposed to?
Oh.
Yes.
Yeah.
New Year's Eve, wake up in themorning, he gets up, come back,
throw a box at me, and say, Soyou want to do this?
Oh, ooh.

Michael (53:32):
I mean that slick could be romantic.

Tam Mac (53:35):
No, no.
No, everybody.
I always think I'm joking whenI say this.
I feel like that was a realdeal arranged marriage.
Oh, because we both feltpressure coming from both sides.
So it wasn't one of those, I'mmarrying you because I'm in love

(53:58):
with you.
It was I'm marrying you becauseI want all this shit to stop,
pretty much.
Because it you comments andstuff.
The pressure.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
And let me say But I wanna I wanna say this, like,
you know, sometimes when we talkabout like the things that
we're trying to heal from, andwe mention our childhood and we
mention parenting, it's notmeant to like put our parents

(54:31):
down.
And I don't know everybody'sdynamic, so I'm not gonna speak
for everybody, but I will saythat our parents, and my my
parents were a lot young, bothof them were younger than me
when they had me.
I was 37 when I 36 when I hadmy daughter, but like what I'm
trying to say is we all parentfrom where we are at that time,

(54:53):
and we don't have all theanswers, so we are all probably
gonna F our kids up in some way.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
Can I just say I'm sorry that you guys felt
pressured to do everything thatyou had to do?
Because fuck that.
Like I wish I'm over herethinking like I wish my mama,
grandma, whoever the hell wouldbe like when you gonna have a
kid, when you have one.
Yeah.
When you gonna get married,when you do don't do that.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Our parents, or my I'm not gonna say our because I,
you know, but I did feelpressure, but maybe it's other
we all got something, like ourall our parents did something
that the other ones didn't do,and we like, damn, I I hate that
your parents didn't like that'sall over the board.
And I take that because I didfeel a lot of pressure, not

(55:41):
necessarily growing up, but onceI grew up, and you know, like I
was always into boys, but Ifeel like even that was some of
the pressure stuff because itwas in my experience, it was
always harped on about aboyfriend, and it was like, eh,
a boyfriend, and it's like, no,like let's teach our kids, boys
and girls, to just enjoy theirlife, don't be focused on having

(56:04):
a boyfriend, like that's whereall that stuff goes left.

Speaker 6 (56:07):
See, that's what y'all were raised, you were
raised different than that.
But that's crazy though thatyou say that, and our moms are
sisters, because mine was thecomplete opposite, and it wasn't
necessarily my mom, you know,it might have been both, like
both of my pain.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I remember both of them being like, Yeah,
boyfriend, and it was like thisjokey thing all throughout
though, you know, and it almostsounded like a thing where
that's what you want to do.
That's the thing to do, youknow.
But it wasn't that wasn't theonly thing to do.
Like it was go to school, getyour you know, I would get in
trouble if I didn't do good inschool.

(56:43):
So it wasn't just about a boy,but I'm just saying like that
played a part.
Right.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
My parents, girl, no.
If I even fixed my mouth, itlooked like I was gonna say, I
gotta that's how mine was.
My teeth was gonna be we ain'tdoing that.
Hell no.
So that's why it's like dangthe pressure from that.
Like, I'm just sittingthinking, like, damn.
That was dead.
It's like my parents like thatfor a minute.

Michael (57:06):
Man, my daughter told me one day, she was like, Dad,
if I can't have a boyfriend, I'mgonna spazz out.
I said, Well, you might as wellget the spaz.

unknown (57:16):
Spaz out.

Michael (57:17):
You're gonna spazz out.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
And I raised my daughter like I tell my mom used
to tell me, you might have aboyfriend between the hours of 8
a.m.
and 4 p.m.
Yeah.
When you get here, ain't noneof that going on.
Yeah, I don't know what youthat none of that here, but it's
good.
Them school hours, okay.
You might have whoever you wantover there at that school.
Well, but if what if Ichaperon?

Michael (57:37):
I'm like, listen, Linda.
Listen, I was I was this thekid that you did not want your
daughter with.
I was very sneaky.
I was very sneaky.
And I would try to manipulateyou into being sneaky with me.
So we could be your mama couldbe in the van, but we in the

(58:01):
back seat and your mama don'tknow nothing.
So if I know me, bruh, I tellMessiah, I said, I said,
Messiah, you have a fucked updad.
And at the fact that your dadknows that he's he's he was
fucked up.
He knows that there's otherboys that's fucked up too.

Ebony (58:21):
But don't you trust how you raised your daughter?

Michael (58:24):
That is the craziest thing I do, but I don't.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
I was gonna ask, like, haven't you, the way you
taught her, do you think thatshe's a little more discerning?
Now she's still gonna fuck upraised.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
And that's what that's what is that what makes
you be that way because she isso much.

Michael (58:44):
It's not because it's it's it's my cousin calling me.
Oh, I'm sorry.
But yeah, but it's it's not somuch, so so y'all gotta
understand this at at this thispoint, right?
At that age, everybody'svulnerable.

Tam Mac (59:00):
Yeah, of course.

Michael (59:01):
Man, a little boy, a little girl.

Tam Mac (59:04):
At that age, they should still try to figure out
who they are, right?

Michael (59:07):
So so so so it doesn't matter if they got daddy or they
don't.
If they like somebody, yeah,they're gonna try to please that
person.
They're gonna try to make thatperson happy.
And they might not go all theway with it, but they might let
you do a little bit.
That's a gateway.

unknown (59:25):
Yeah.

Michael (59:25):
Because you do a little bit, the next thing you know,
here goes a little bit more.
A little bit more, and guesswhat?
Look, your daddy didn't evenknow about it.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
So when did she get that experience, though?
Because at some point It'sgonna happen.
It's going to happen.

Michael (59:37):
Right, right, right, right, right, right, right,
right, right, right, right,right, right, right.
Cool beings.
But the preventative measure,right?
You just doing a preventativemeasure.
You still gotta let your childlive their life.

Tam Mac (59:52):
So basically, what you're saying is you you know
it's going to happen one day.
However, you're trying tominimize the amount of times
that you're gonna have to do it.

Michael (59:59):
There we go.
That's it.

Tam Mac (01:00:01):
That's it.
I get that.

Michael (01:00:03):
That's it.
It is my job to be theprotector.
We all said that, right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Yeah.

Michael (01:00:08):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah.

Michael (01:00:09):
So that is my job, and I take pride in it.
And that's why when her mamalet her come, my daughter come
stay with me.
Oh, it was on and popping.
I made sure that she wasstable.
She's been in the same schoolever since she's been with me.
I made sure that the schoolthat she had was top ten in
Georgia.
I made sure that everythingthat she needed was provided for

(01:00:30):
and then mentally andeverything what she had to do.
Because at one point, even hermom was like, I wanted her to be
what I wanted her to be.
But when she's with you, youlet her figure out who she wants
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I respect her.

Michael (01:00:45):
And that's a big difference.
And so, yes, cool beings thatshe go out there and some boy
manipulate her.
That's life.
That's life.
But it's my job.
It's a game.
You know, I gotta prevent himfrom scoring the goal.
Nah, I'm the goalie bitch.

unknown (01:01:10):
That's right.

Michael (01:01:10):
Nah, if you if you if you do some moves and kick and
score, I can't do nothing aboutit.

Ebony (01:01:16):
I'm also teaching her not to be easily impressed by the
bullshit.
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
Because I think too, a lot of young girls get caught
up because they don't have thatand they're not, I don't want to
say accustomed, but they justhaven't been exposed to certain
things.

Ebony (01:01:35):
Yeah.
So the little stuff excitesthem.
The little stuff is somethingto them.

Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
I saw something on Instagram, and they were like,
oh, I'm showing my daughter X,Y, and Z, so they're not gonna
be impressed by your dusty assson taking the tablet.

Ebony (01:01:51):
So I think you're showing hernow.
Oh, you're gonna have to comebetter than that because my
being, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
To backtrack to something you said, and you
know, I'm not this is notchanging the subject, but I
think it has a lot to do withbecause you mentioned our mom,
our moms are sisters, and mymom, they it's eight, eight in
all, which is a lot of kids.
Like, I don't have eight kids.
I that sounds like ho likehorror to me.
Could you imagine having eightkids and your girls?

Ebony (01:02:23):
How old boys?

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
How old was our grandmother when she had her
first one?
Like maybe in her early 20s,and you know, this is in the
50s, so there's that, but likemy mom was the first girl, so
our moms probably had twototally different mothers.
Yeah, and my mom was my y'allsound like my family.

Michael (01:02:45):
Yeah, I mean a lot of my family.

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
My kids like eight kids.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
A lot of our families are boys, and the parent that
one child gets, and the parentthat like the third or the
fourth or the whatever it is istotally different.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Okay, let's be clear.
Dale, not my my mama's dale,Gail, the baby, definitely got
because she was the the baby ofthe eight.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
The number, right, the number eight.

Michael (01:03:10):
Grandma didn't care.
My daughter's older brothers,they have like a tenure gap.
They was like, you get to enjoythe the parents that got
fucking money.
We had them when they werebroke.

(01:03:31):
They were mean, they were this,they were that.
It was like you get the you getto reap the benefit.
And so it's true, it's verytrue.
You because everybody,everybody gets, they be like,
you're so soft on Messiah.
And it's not be being soft withher over the years.

(01:03:52):
I've created understanding.
And especially, especially, youknow, I always say that this is
the craziest thing.
But my daughter made me soft,like literally living with me.
Like I used to be very hardishand dickish about certain
things, and I had to start torealize that my daughter has

(01:04:16):
emotions.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Because she's a girl.

Michael (01:04:19):
And I handle me.
And so I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Mm-hmm.

Michael (01:04:25):
I'm recognizing that this, I can't do what I used to
do to your brothers, to you.
So now, like, when wecommunicate with each other, but
on the opposite end, shelearned, she's learning how to
deal with a man and hisemotions.
Because I don't hide, like Itell y'all, I don't hide my

(01:04:45):
emotions from my daughter.
And so I remember one day Icame home and I just sat down
and I was just, I was watchingTV.
It was really because I wasjust tired.
And she was just like, youalright?
You look grumpy.
And like, like she, it itdidn't intimidate her that I

(01:05:06):
came in with a stuck on, youknow, Negro face.
Yeah.
It didn't intimidate her.
And I was like, you know, Ithink that that is like the best
thing when the opposite sexgets to interact with each
other.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah.

Michael (01:05:22):
I was raised by nothing but women, so it makes me be a
little bit more understandingand have empathy and sympathy
for women.

Ebony (01:05:28):
But not just the opposite sex though, it's just good to
have that kind of relationshipwith your parent.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
Yeah.
Because I have that kind ofrelationship with my mom where I
can just ask her, what's wrongwith you?
Like, why is your face lookinglike that?
I had to do that.
You know, like we just have wehave that kind of relationship.

Tam Mac (01:05:43):
Well, see, I I had to grow into that with my mom.
And the crazy part about it isdeep down inside I knew it would
eventually happen.
Me and my mom had a horriblerelationship.
You know, but she she had thisepiphany moment and she accepted

(01:06:08):
accountability.
And that's all I ever wanted.
That's all I ever wanted.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So it's like seeing that thatgrowth is beautiful, but yeah.
So I didn't have it, but itcame right when it was needed.

(01:06:29):
That's amazing.
I'm waiting for mine.
Yeah.
Oh no, it took some boy.
I didn't speak to my mom foryears.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
So you know what I figured out, right?
And I've said I don't have anykids, but I think women are just
women that had kids, right?
Like nobody told them how toraise them, how to interact with
them, and a lot of them justdid what they saw done to them.
So similar to you, I had tolearn how to have empathy for my
mother.
So now we can haveconversations as women.

(01:07:00):
So now I understand a littlebit more of what she might have
had to go through.
So where I thought she was araging bitch all the time, it
was like, oh, okay.
I understand, and I understandnow how you learn to communicate
with kids.
You said kids are meant to beseen and not heard.
That's what you grew up with.
And so that's how you treatedus.

Tam Mac (01:07:21):
See, I I look at I saw it a different way.
It's like even when I know youknow, everybody knows you're in
the wrong, even when you'redoing wrong, it's still a
learning lesson.
Now you are showing me what notto do.
Now I have to come up withalternative methods, you know
what I'm saying?
To get that same point across.

(01:07:42):
It's not that you're doing itto be mean or spiteful, it's
just that you're doing itbecause of whatever stage you
are in in your life at thatparticular moment in time.
And make you more aware.
So I definitely get it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
Women are so like multidimensional too.
Like we have, and not that menaren't.
I'm just saying, as a woman,like, you know, we just have so
many layers and our our bodiescan do these crazy, unspeakable
things, and it's in us.
And it's just, I don't know,it's like sometimes like I like
I always give my mom grace,like, because you know, like

(01:08:21):
that mother-daughter dynamic andthe type of bond that my
daughter and I have, like, Iwish that my mom and I had it,
but I'll at the same time Irespect what me and my mom ha
have because that's what we weresupposed to have, like
everything doesn't supposed tolook the same.
And just because it's not thatdoesn't mean it's wrong, it's

(01:08:42):
just that's what it is becausethat's who we are.
Like, I don't know what herlife was, or she, you know,
there's things about my lifethat she don't know.
Probably we'll never know.
But it's that's just what itis.
That's what it is, and my dadand I had a different dynamic.

Ebony (01:09:00):
Everybody's relationship is different.

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
Like me and my mom growing up, I did not like her.
Um, I thought because my momwas a single parent, my my
parents divorced when I wasyoung.

Ebony (01:09:10):
And um, it was rough being a moving from Detroit to
Pembroke, Georgia with one redlight.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
Um and just yeah.
You said it right.
Deep down and just that dynamicand just things that we had to
go through and all of that, wejust did not get along.
And as a woman, I nowunderstand why she was the way

(01:09:41):
she was because she had tohustle to take care of us.
Um, and so I have apologizedprofusely to my mother because I
cannot, I don't have kids, so Icannot even imagine what she
went through working, going toschool, taking care of me and my
brother, and all the things.

(01:10:02):
That's why I do what I do forher with no hesitation.
And we have such a goodrelationship now.
Um I can talk to her aboutthings that I could not talk to
her about when we were younger.
But I do know that my mom isone of those people I can talk

(01:10:22):
to and there's no judgment.
Um, she doesn't giveunsolicited opinions or anything
like that.
But if I ask her, she don'tgive it to me straight with no
chaser.
Yeah.
Which is where I get it from.
Um, so I'm blessed that I havethat with her because I didn't
necessarily have that with myfather.
Yeah.

(01:10:42):
So I um my mother.
We have a I don't know, it's upand it's down.
It's up and it's down still.
Um, so we have evolved to havea great relationship more than

(01:11:05):
sometime now.
But it's still a work inprogress because like you said,
you learn how to deal with itbecause you know you over the
over time you've you've learnedhow to deal with how you know
your mom is.
I've done that too.
But I've also haven't had theepiphany yet.
Well, she hasn't had it.

(01:11:26):
So it's still uh I'm still at ayou know up and down thing.
It's like, dang, can I get itone day?
So it's very hard for me.
Like I love my mom down, likewe can like I can talk to her
about anything now.
We laugh, you know, we we haveour heart to hearts, but she
still has her times where it'syou it's it's not you can't hear

(01:11:51):
or see anything but yourself,you know.
So it's like uh and when youget in that my way of dealing
with it is just I just kind ofblock her out.
I can't because I'm dealingwith my own stuff too as a
walker.
But do y'all parentdifferently?
We do based on therelationship.
I was gonna say that too.
My parenting now, like I know Ihave some of my mom's ways,

(01:12:14):
however, I pride myself on beinga better mother, but not saying
that she was a bad mother, shetook care of me, you know.

Seven (01:12:26):
Just trying to elevate it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
This is what she knew, this is what she was
showing because she came fromeight brothers and sisters, so
she didn't get the attentionthat she's you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
So it's like I should want us to be right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
So it's like how you said you apologize to your mom
because you know where she camefrom and what she's been to.
I would love to apologize to mymom for whatever she feels like
I have done to her or how I'vehurt her with you know whatever
I've done.
But it's so hard when it's somuch shit.

(01:13:05):
Write it down.
It's so much shit, and it's andit's so much shit that she has
done.
Like you shouldn't have noclue.
And it's at my age today, I'm34.

Tam Mac (01:13:16):
For your own peace of mind.
For your own peace of mind,uh-huh.
Write it all out, right?
And once you're no matter howlong it is, once you're
finished, you give it to her.
But when you give it to her,you give it to her with zero
expectation.
No expectation.
You do not expect for her torespond or anything like that.

(01:13:37):
And once you give it to her,you let that burden go.
Yeah, that's it.
So now it's in her court.
She can either see you or not,but you have to prepare yourself
for both ends, just in case.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
And you know, I don't really agree that you need to
apologize.
I don't, I'm not there yet, butI do agree with that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
Like, I don't know what I would need to apologize
for either.
So for me, let me let meclarify.
Mine was not apolog.
So when I say apologize, mymother has disclosed things to
me that she grew up with thatI'm not going to disclose here

(01:14:18):
because that's her business.
Right, right.
But she has disclosed thingsthat she she went through.
When I say apologize, I mean Iwas a rat when I was a kid.
I put my mom through some shitbecause I was dealing with the
divorce of my parents, leavingagain Detroit, moving to bumfuck

(01:14:39):
Pembroke, and all of theemotions that came with that.
And I was horrible to her, andshe didn't deserve that because
all she was doing was trying totake care of me and my brother,
and doing that with no help frommy father.
So when I say I apologize,that's what I apologize for.
So what you're talking about isa conversation that I had with

(01:14:59):
my father.
My father is no longer here, hepassed away in 2012.
My father was an alcoholic.
I love my father.
My father had cancer.
I took care of him the lastcouple of years of his life.
But the reason that we got tothat point is because of what
you said.
I had to have the uncomfortableconversation with my father.

(01:15:20):
Me and my father sat down and Ilaid it out.
I said all the things that Ineeded to say.
I didn't care how he receivedit, I didn't care what his
response was, I didn't careabout any of that.
I had to release that from me.
And in releasing that, he hadsome things that he had to say,

(01:15:44):
but we were able to moveforward, and I thank God that we
were because a couple monthslater he was diagnosed with
cancer.
And we had those three yearstogether and had a
father-daughter relationship.
So just like she just said,that's for you.
That's not for your mom.
That's for you.
I'm dealing with person that isnot ready.

(01:16:08):
I'm talking about I'm beingquite honest.
I'm far.
I'm talking about so far fromready to have that conversation.
It don't matter.

Tam Mac (01:16:18):
It don't matter if she's ready.
It's about you.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
But what's your what's her and your dad's
relationship like?

Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
So um, okay.
My dad, if I'm being quitehonest, he he loves my mom.
But he loves like he has kidswith her, you know, like me and
my brother, and you know, theyshare their life together at
some point.
He loves my mom and he you knowhe wishes her the best.
So they're not together.
They're not together, no.
They split when I was in theeighth grade.

(01:16:48):
You know, so but so I've had mydad always been in my life.
But when they split, my momwent through the single mom
stage.
I totally get it.
I understand, I love you downfor it, girl.
I understand your struggles.
I I get that part of it.
You know, so I respect you foryour grind and you took care of

(01:17:08):
me, and you know, I never wantedfor anything, regardless if you
had my dad's help or not.
I know she did because she didreceive child support, you know,
but in that aspect, you know.
So my dad did, he just theysplit.
I didn't see them as oftenbecause now they're split, so
it's not the same as me seeingthem every day, but it affected
me, but it affected me becauseit was the time where it was the

(01:17:32):
ninth grade to twelfth grade.
And now you're missing anaction.
And it's not because it's notbecause I played with the both
of my parents because I had themom where you know I came here
and I'm being turned against thebaby.
And I have a dad, but I'm beingturned against you, but you're

(01:17:55):
not doing anything to try tocome forward to the topic that I
can see.
But I also know because I'm ababy mama, how uh that
relationship can go.
So that's why I said I blamethe both of them.
Because you either both didn'tput forth the effort, or one of
you did and one of you didn't atsome point in time.
But you never was on the samefucking page.

Tam Mac (01:18:16):
Now, see, one thing that I can say about my mom, she
never badmouth my dad, myfather.
So she she waited until I wasat least 18 when I came to her
and I said, Hey, I recognizeXYZ, and she was like, Well, now
you see it.
That was my mom.
You know, so that's one thingthat I can say.

(01:18:36):
She never my dad.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
My mom, my mom, oh girl.
Bad mouth is an understatement,anyways.
But but my dad never did thatby my mom.
Yeah you know, uh like I can behonestly, I can be true.
I can be truthfully um say thatmy dad, he said that he never
said anything bad to me about mymom because he knew that I

(01:19:02):
would get her.
Yeah, yeah.
And I did, and and I'm nottrying to discredit my mom.
Like I said, y'all, I love mymom, but it's my girl, okay?
She is my girl, but no, it'sit's hit or miss with us.
Like, it does still hurtunhealed trauma that she's gonna
be.
And she is, and and and I, andI have, and I've recognized
this, that's why I just I loveher the most.

(01:19:24):
Like, you know, I I love on heras much as she'll let me.
Let me say that.

Ebony (01:19:29):
But you can't love her through that though.
Like that's her, you know,yeah.
So that's something that she'sgonna have to recognize and
she's gonna have to deal with,and she may never do that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
Yeah, and see with my dad, he's not perfect, like he
wasn't perfect.
You that hit that nigga wentmissing at some point, you know.
Like I said, that nine throughtwelve, that was that was that
was I needed you, yeah, and youweren't there.
You know, whether you blame mymom or or blank put blame on
yourself, you weren't there, andI needed you to be there during

(01:19:58):
that time, seriously.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
So he came back around after after you
graduated, graduation, andgraduation and so on, and up
until 34 right now, today.

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
So, but that time was critical, you know.
So, and it was molding time forme as a you know what I mean.
I'm a I'm going into awomanhood and shit like that,
you know.
And but and me and but me andhim have had a conversation,
we've talked about it.
He knows how I felt, I know howhe felt and where he went wrong
and what happened.

(01:20:31):
I know his side, he knows how Ifelt, and he knows my side.
We've had that conversation, wepassed that, but I haven't done
that with my mom and it'srough.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
I feel like I feel for you, and I felt like a lot
of the things you were saying,like not from uh I can't relate,
but I can feel it, you know, Ifeel it.
But you asked, like, or youasked about the mothers, like,
do we parent our kidsdifferently based on what we
experienced as kids?
And yes, like I think like allparents, even men, you know,

(01:21:07):
it's like we, you know, we wereall kids, and there's still
those kids inside of us in a lotof ways, and like there's
things that I automaticallyknew, like, I don't want to do
that, I'm not gonna do that, butthen there's the things like
you said earlier, like younotice things, like it just
happens, and you're like, damn,where did the fuck did that come

(01:21:28):
from?
Like, and then you're like,Yeah, I don't want to, I wanna
try not to do that again.
And I notice that I do stuffand I will hear myself and I'm
like, you did it again, but likemy daughter is so like and
she's five, so you know, I getthe teenage years are not gonna
be like the five-year-old years,but we have such a bond, it's

(01:21:52):
like an unspoken bond, but it'slike but then there's the spoken
stuff, like that I feel likeyou know, I I you know, the
things that I may have wanted,or the if my parents were 36
when they had me, maybe theywould have had this, but I have

(01:22:14):
it, and so I'm giving her thethings that I have, but I'm sure
there's things I don't havethat if I look at myself in 20
years and I'm like, oh shit, youdid that, you know, we don't
know.
We're doing our best, but I trymy best to parent her the way
that the or shit at it the babyseven, baby seven, baby seven

(01:22:36):
would have wanted um because I'mjust I I've always felt when I
was little, I was like, was Iadopted?
Because I just felt sodifferent from everybody.
I'm just like I did not come onthis, and it's funny now, but
like my dad and I I noticed aremore like in um in a lot of
ways, but even you know, likeyou said, like we didn't get

(01:22:58):
along when I was younger.
Like my mom was my, you know, Iwas with my mom all the time,
but my dad is a talker, like youknow, I tell Michael all the
time he has a lot of this uhsimilar traits as my dad, and
the way you raise Messiah isvery similar, which I respect
and agree with, and so there's alot of that that you know, like
I want to give her, like whenwhatever you need to talk to me

(01:23:21):
about, you you know, let's talk,or if you get in trouble, tell
me, like, tell me the truth, andI can help you.
But if you lie and try to hidestuff, I can't help you.
And so she tells me things,like we talk about you know,
boys, and she's fine, and she'slike, don't tell daddy, daddy.
Don't watch this, but this ishow we feel that is beautiful

(01:23:42):
right now.

Tam Mac (01:23:49):
I feel like we spend so much time, and I say we, I mean
we as adults, spend so muchtime trying not to be like our
parents to the point where weforget to embrace the part the
parts that we get from them.
You know, they might not havedone everything right, yeah, for

(01:24:10):
sure, but we take what we knowis right and we evolve it.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
And I I feel like that wouldhelp in a lot of areas.

Speaker 6 (01:24:22):
That's it.
Like they do.
I take my I get my hustle fromboth of my parents.
Um, my my mom and my dad.
And my dad passed away at 54.
He just didn't get to live hislife.
Like alcohol just took over andcontrol him.
So that's my regret with himthat he just didn't get to live.

(01:24:45):
Um, my mother has a heartcondition, and like I said, she
was a single parent.
So there's a lot of things thatshe didn't get a chance to do.
So I will take her on a trip ina heartbeat.
Like, I don't I can't buy heranything because she doesn't
need anything.
So I'll do this.
So I think that's anotherreason why I am like, hello.
Um, I'm gonna do all of thethings because my parents didn't

(01:25:10):
get to do those things.
So I'm going to live my best.
My mom is like that.
Like right now, I'm in schooland like just trying to get to a
better life.
Just so I can take my mom,like, cause she ain't my my mom
is nowhere.
She has never been on a cruise.
My mom has never been on aplane.

(01:25:30):
I've never been on a cruise,never been on a plane.
Like, no.

Michael (01:25:34):
I just took my mom on one.

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
It's just like I'm so ready to just show her, you
know, outside.
And it's the best feeling inthe world, like, to be, because
Lord knows this ain't alwaysbeen this.
Okay.
Um, there have been struggles.
Okay, and I think that's why Iappreciate my life so much more.
Because, like I said, it ain'talways been this.

(01:25:58):
Um, so the fact that I am whereI am now and I am blessed to be
able to do the things that I donot just for myself, but for
others, um, and especially mymom is a blessing, and I do it
in a heartbeat.
Like she doesn't even know.
Like, I'm planning now, forwhatever reason, she wants to
take an Alaskan cruise.

(01:26:19):
I have no idea why, but I'mplanning to surprise her with
that for Mother's Day, and shedoesn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
And don't watch this.
She ain't gonna watch it.
She ain't gonna watch it.

Michael (01:26:41):
She might be one of those 20.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
That to say, it is going to happen.

Speaker (01:26:48):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:26:48):
So if that is your plan and that's what you want to
do, it is going to happen.

Michael (01:26:54):
So I remember when I had to I had to tell my mother
what I did behind Plexiglassbefore they sentenced me to
years behind bars.
Right?
And when I was able to book hercruise and pay for, you know,

(01:27:16):
and not payment plan.
Like I I booked the plan, youknow, and was able to get the
plane ticket and do I like toknow to know, you know, what
your people support you throughand all that other stuff.
At the end of the day, at youwant to be able to give them

(01:27:39):
everything.
Cause you know, they didn'thave like I'll be telling my
like my daughter, like, girl,you don't even know what it's
like to have one of them littlereal phones.
You know, time changes, timechanges so much over the years,
and your parents don't reallyget to like like they didn't get
to get to that point to wherethey can now enjoy all this crap

(01:28:03):
that they got.
My mama ain't never done a lotof these things.
So I one I'm like Ma.
And me and my mama, we we wehave we have a growing
relationship, yeah.
But that is one of the reasonswhy I wanted to do it.
And now I was like, I knowprobably like two days into it,

(01:28:24):
you're gonna start giving themmy dad.
But I ain't I I I didn't care.
And and that's why I was justwhispering to Seven.
I was like, you know, thisepisode sounds like a song that
I literally just created for mymother.
Right?
And some of the some of thethings that I said in there was

(01:28:45):
one of the one of the things waswas um, you know, I didn't
understand then, but I do rightnow.
And I said I never wouldforgive, but I do right now.
And we ain't never had Jordans,but we had food in our house.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
And and they said struggle makeyou strong, and mama, look at

(01:29:05):
me now.
Say that.
Like I want, I was like, youknow, I never really told you,
you know, now that we're grown,that I get it now.
You know, all the struggle andthe shit that I've been through,
and how I had to put my headdown, and and and literally,

(01:29:26):
like Messiah, my my daughtergets to see it like literally I
work night and day trying tomake sure she gets everything,
and my family can get to benefitoff of it because like if at
some point I didn't have it, atsome point she didn't have it,
and it felt so good to watch mymama eat food on a boat, and I

(01:29:53):
know that I did it, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
But don't make you hustle harder.
Like I tell people, I hustlethe way that.
With no kids, but I hustle theway that I do because I'm my
backup plant.
I don't have anybody else thatI can call.
I am my backup plant.
And it is the best feeling whenyou can say, I did that.
Didn't nobody help me withthat?

(01:30:17):
Didn't nobody buy my house?
Didn't nobody buy I did that.

Michael (01:30:21):
The people I always, you know, it's a it's a saying.
And and and also we'll go pastthis a little bit too.
But they always say, like,people that's in very
comfortable situations grow upto be weak individuals at a lot
of times.
And then the ones that have togo through a lot of the
struggle, them the ones that getup and they get out there in

(01:30:41):
the world and they're they gotTeflon as skin.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Because you already been through that shit.

Michael (01:30:47):
You already been through it.

Seven (01:30:49):
Figure it out.

Michael (01:30:50):
And and and and and I look at I look at my mama,
right?
And when I look at my mama, Iwas around when my mama was, my
mom had me when she was 17.
So can I remember my mom in herearly 20s still to this very
day?
I remember I I I be getting onmy mom.
I said, Mama, you remember thattime you whispered in that

(01:31:13):
boy's mouth and you tried totell me you whispered, you
kissed that boy's mouth.
That's what she told me.
I was like, I said, Mama, whatyou doing?
She was like, Oh, he was justtelling me the secret.
And that stayed in my head foryears.

Speaker (01:31:30):
Like, how the fuck is it?

Michael (01:31:35):
But but I remember I rem I remember when my mama had
to, you know, do whatever shehad to do to make sure that we
had a place to stay.
And we always had a place tostay.
I don't know how she got themoney from how she wanted.
But we had a place.
We always had a place to stay.

(01:32:00):
We always had food.
She did not want food stamps,she did not want government
assistance.
She always, and then if shelost a job, like it people, I I
always talk shit.
I used to always talk shitabout oh man, we moved every
fucking every year.
I had to move to a new school.
And as a kid, you didn't know.
You just like, man, why thefuck mama moving all the time?
Cuz your mama is going throughit, nigga.

(01:32:23):
You just don't understand itbecause she's smiling in your
face.
And my mama smiled.
And that's why I said, Iforgive you.
I'm sorry, because at one pointin time I did not understand
it.
But now that I'm grown, I smilein Messiah's face when I feel
at my lowest.

Tam Mac (01:32:42):
No, my mom was too tired to smile.
That's how that's how mine was.
I get it.
But she was working at two,three hospitals in the Metro
Atlanta area at a time.
So it's like she'll show up toone, like, oh, I'm not supposed
to be here.
Like I got my days crossed, whoI'm supposed to be at right

(01:33:05):
now, you know?
Like, I remember her bartendingat the airport while working at
these hospitals, but workingher way up from RN to LPN to she
is like literally working herway up in this in the healthcare
field, you know, from fieldwork to desk work, and I think

(01:33:26):
that's where I get it from.
Because on day number two, Iain't even been trained all day.
I'm like, we're not part of myemotions.
We're so kids, you know, soit's it's crazy.
But I I have noticed that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
But I think we get the I know I got the worst of my
mother growing up.
She didn't mean to do that.
I don't yeah, she couldn'thandle it.
I mean, she had two small kids.
My father was around, but he'sout working.
She's tired.
She was tired.
Right, like, but as an adult, Ican now understand.
She was tired.
Like, I would be tired too.
I don't have kids, so I get my.

(01:34:05):
I give my eight hours in thetime.
I don't know how y'all do it.
I was just gonna say, I don'tknow how y'all do it because I
need my sleep.
Like, I when you were drivinghome the other day, I saw it all
over your face, and I'm like, Iget to go home and get in my

(01:34:25):
pillow core.
She got a little person.

Seven (01:34:32):
I will be 44 in three months.

Tam Mac (01:34:39):
You might have a little train, baby.
This is what I told you.
I said, Saturdays, do not wakeme up until 10 a.m.
Unless it's an emergency.
You know what the emergency is?
Look, look, look.
I got a bowl of cereal in therefrigerator, a cup of milk, you
know how to reach the spoons,turn that TV on, make your

(01:35:00):
cereal, and don't bother me till10 a.m.

Michael (01:35:03):
Yeah, but my mom would come out of her room, bust
breakfast, go back in the room,and she goes missing.
I was like, what that's forbreakfast?

Speaker 6 (01:35:17):
That's why.
So my mom growing up, sheworked a lot.
So that's what I'm saying.
Like, I understand the singlemom, especially when her and my
dad split, she worked a lot.
Even when her and my dad workedtogether, they both work
though.
So it was just like regulardynamic household.
Mom and dad go to work, kids athome, until your mommy and
daddy get home, but they alwayswork.
So when I got the worst of mymom too.

(01:35:38):
When my her and my dad split, Iwas the one that was with her
through the struggle.
Like every single day of it.
I was the one, like I have abrother, but once he turned 18,
he left to go back home.
So it was just literally me andmy mom through the fucking
struggle.
And I have seen shit.
Okay.
Like I just so I like my mom,she when I tell you hustler, go

(01:36:02):
get her, like she, I reallyadmire my mom.
Like she has like half the shitthat she has, you wouldn't even
think.
Like I'm talking about land,horses, cars, all just the whole
nine.
She is like amazing to me.
Girl, I ain't got no bone ofthat.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
You hear me like that.

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
I'm not doing no bone of that.
She my mom be looking at melike, oh, like what what did I
go wrong?
Like, I need help.
Please help.
Like, I know how to do this.
But I was shelter.
Like, I know my dad, like Isaid, my dad was on only was
missing from 9th to 12th backthen.
So from 9th before 9th, all theway up until 9th, he was there.
All the way after anythingafter 12, he was there.

(01:36:45):
So it's just that little time.
So I've always had my parents.
I've always been sheltered.
So it's like the go-getter, thehustler, like y'all been, y'all
been doing y'all shit.
Girl, I'm 34 years old, I'mjust now doing this shit.
And I got a kid, and I had mykids.
And I had a kid when I was 20.
And so just I'm a kid having, Iwas a kid having a kid.

(01:37:06):
So now we're growing uptogether.
We growing up together.
And like now I'm on this.
Oh my god, I gotta be the bestwoman ever.
Shit.
And my baby is watching me.
She's 14.
Like it's like, ooh.
And I mean, I see thatpressure.
Like growing together.

Tam Mac (01:37:21):
And yeah.
It don't stop when they turntogether.
No, no, no.
Like, it still goes.

Michael (01:37:27):
Man, my mama is my I I be messing with her all the
time.
I said, Ma, you you like mysister.
Grandma was my mama.
You my sister.
Like, we too close in age.
Now, like, uh, this this weird.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
Now, how am I gonna play that?
My mom got married at 18.
She had me at 19.
They all don't play that shit.
She tells me, quick, I'm yourmama.
I am not your little friend.

Michael (01:37:52):
My mama had me at 17, but I remember running and
catching the bus with her.
I remember fighting with her.

Speaker 6 (01:37:59):
Oh god.

Michael (01:38:00):
Oh yeah.
Man, I remember one time mymama came outside.
This dude was uh this dude wasupset because I was playing
baseball and we were using oneof his mailboxes as a bass.
So he's trying to chump us off.
And he ends up sayingsomething.
My mom comes outside, and mymom, like I said, she young,
right?
So she comes out there andshe's like, what you say?

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Okay.

Michael (01:38:24):
So next thing though, she went back in the house.
I know what the hell she wasgetting.
She came back out and the dudestill talking this shit.
She's like, uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
And I'm sitting here with her,like, yeah.
Oh man.
So yeah, I I've I've I've seenI I've even had it.

(01:38:47):
I remember one day, you know,my mom was in a car and somebody
clipped the line.
We were ride down MemorialDrive and she just hitting the
brakes.
We going through light afterlight after light.
We can't stop.
We ended up rolling all the waydown until I think we hit uh

(01:39:09):
was it the Kroger parking lot?
And we end up going into thatKroger parking lot down close to
the HRM and had to go up in theparking lot and drive, and this
car slowed down.
Like and I'm sitting here inthe car with my mama watching
her break down because you know,I guess somebody did something

(01:39:30):
that's you know, tour.
And and you know, being a kid,you just like, damn, what
happened?
And you hear what happened, butyou don't know how serious it
is.
You know, somebody tried totake my mom out, you know.
Off of what?
I don't know.
But it when you get older, youstart to be like, damn, mom.

(01:39:53):
You went through that too.
Why are you trying to raise me?
Why are you trying to figureout this job shit?
Why are you always having tomove cause rent going up and you
can't pay this shit?
You had to deal with me, my andmy my sister's attitudes, and
we getting mad at you, wethinking all the problems.
When things go wrong, we blamemama.

(01:40:14):
Ain't that what Tupac said?
That shit's so fucking true.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
And it's so crazy, but it's like somehow we do it.
Somehow we do it.
And I, you know, I haven't beenthrough uh even half of that.
My child is five, but like Ifeel I have felt that and feel
it, you know, at times when youjust feel so broke down and just
you don't have an house left,and then something just kicks in

(01:40:38):
and you do what needs to makeyour mom's superpowers.

Speaker 6 (01:40:41):
Yeah, I always say that God gives mom superpower.
That's the only thing that Ican think of.

Ebony (01:40:47):
It's so true for y'all for y'all to shoot through each
day.
It's true.
Because I don't know how y'alldo it.
I couldn't do it.

Michael (01:40:53):
I think dads have it too.

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
Dads who are dads, like yeah.
Okay, I'm gonna look cool.
Hold on a second.
Let me reframe you.
Let me reframe his name.

Michael (01:41:07):
I gotta give my sprinkles.
I'm just gonna turn and facethe wall.

unknown (01:41:14):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:41:17):
If we had to do like a like a poll or ratio or
number, just like on a numberscale of how many mothers it is
versus like you're a rare dad.
Yeah, yes.
That's you don't see likenowadays, yeah, you see it more
often, but that's not somethingyou see often.
A dad, like a full-time dad,like a full-time mom.
You know, because we carry thebaby and the baby never leaves

(01:41:41):
us.
You see what I'm saying?
So it's like you you shecarried your baby and your
baby's been with you.
So it's like you, you're not ayou're not a it's not typical.
It's not typical.
So so when she like just sayinglike mom have superpowers, like
you do have a superpower thatwe're talking about.
Yeah, you do that, yeah.
But you understand.

(01:42:01):
Congratulations.
I get what you're saying, but Iget what you're saying.
You understand the everyday,like the dad, like let's just be
for real.
Unless dad, unless y'all in arelationship and dad is there

(01:42:22):
every day, dad don't goddamnunderstand what mom be doing.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
So I feel like I I saved my daughter's relationship
with her father by divorcinghim.

Speaker 6 (01:42:34):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
Because when we were married, I was a married single
mom.
I had no breaks, I got nosleep, it was awful.
And you know, I saw through hissetup with with my stepdaughter
how he could be with ourdaughter, and it made me more

(01:42:56):
comfortable to say, no, she'llbe fine.
She will have her mother, hermother will get a break.
Let me repeat that.
Her mother will get a break,and she'll be with her father.
So she gets she actually has aand you can debate this, but in
my opinion, she has a bettersetup because now she gets time

(01:43:20):
with her father.
Like I remember times when hewould come around and she would
cling to me, you know, becauseshe it just didn't happen very
often.
And now she, you know, and I Ilove that for her.
She loves her father, she lovesgoing, you know, to his house,
and we have a great setup.
And so like it's great whendads are like you and have their

(01:43:43):
child full time, and I give mydaughter's father his props,
like you know, he has her, likewe do a week on, week off, and
it's great.
I get a break.
Like, I I was a miserable and Iwas going through a lot too.
Like, I had just lost myfather, and I had a baby, and
then he was cheating, and Ifound out it was a lot, and so

(01:44:04):
the postpartum, you know, like asome women don't experience it.
Mine was severe, yeah, severeto the point where I'll think
about things now, and I'm justlike, I don't even know how.
Like, was that me?
But you know, it's it's justlike I still had to do the
things, I had to take care ofyou know my daughter.

(01:44:26):
And part of taking care of herwas looking into the future to
know that one, I didn't deservethe life that I was in, and two,
she didn't either.
She needed her mom to be restedand at peace.
And now I have that, you know,and it's it's amazing.
And but I love it for both ofus.

Tam Mac (01:44:44):
A lot of parents stay together, oh, I'm doing it for
the kids.
I'm only here for the kids, andI kids make the arc all the
time.
What it's nailed on thechalkboard.

Ebony (01:44:55):
It is nailed on the chalkboard for me.

Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
I'm not staying with your ass for no kids.

Ebony (01:45:00):
So I want to on national news worldwide news.

Michael (01:45:11):
Shout out Buzzprout.

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
Worldwide, I want to shout out my cousin.
I have said this to her, butI'm going to say it to the
world.
Um, I respect you so much fordoing that because so many
people would have stayed.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Yeah.

Ebony (01:45:29):
And the fact that you said, fuck you and fuck this.

Speaker 6 (01:45:34):
You have you have no idea how much I respect you and
commend you for doing that.
Because everybody don't dothat.
Thank you.
That means a lot.
I'm I'm just like, everybodydoes not do that.
Like you said, this is notgoing to be my reality.
I'm not doing this for me.
I'm not doing this for mydaughter.

(01:45:55):
Yeah.
You deserve better, so fuckyou.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
And that's the leading going back to our
conversation before we startedrecording.
There's an article that wentviral about, you know, having,
and it's not about the gender,but the article is about having
a boyfriend now is embarrassing.
That is the part of it, right?
Because it's like, I'm expectedto, as your wife, to deal with

(01:46:18):
this, to pray through this, todo, you know, to just deal with
it.
I'm sorry, I don't deservethat.
I'm better than that, and Idon't mind saying that.
There's some things that I knowI'm not better than, I'm not
better than shit, but I'm betterthan that.
You are, you know, abusive,you're cheating, you're lying, I
don't have no support when aparent dies.

(01:46:40):
Now it's one thing your dogdied.
Now, and dogs are special,yeah, but I'm just saying, your
parents, shout out to the roof,but a parent, bruh.
And where are you?
You're my husband.

Ebony (01:46:53):
Here's the thing though.
And I just had a like bruh, hebroke a toenail, bruh.
You weren't supportive, hewould have had a damn fit.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
And did, and did, and did okay, which triggered
triggered.
And so the point, the the theyou know, is like now I'm a
whole different seven.
I would never fall for nothinglike that ever again.
Because I I always describe itas a dark place.

(01:47:23):
I was in a very, very darkplace, but I had to go through
that to become the me that I amtoday, and I choose peace, which
is why I can relate to thesearticles and things because I've
been in that, and like, yes, Imade those choices, but I make
the choice now to choose peace.
And anything that doesn't offerthat, I'm good.

(01:47:45):
I would much rather just keepthe peace.

Speaker 6 (01:47:48):
I would much rather keep the peace.
Let me say this I'm so gladthat I went through basically
what you went through, minus themarriage part, because I've
never been married, but with mydaughter's father.
But I was young when ithappened.
I wish I would tolerate a gothrough something like that

(01:48:08):
right now at this age.
Like, so I it's like I I I hateto hear that you even had to
endure that now.
Like, it's like I I feel likeyou know, people go through
stuff at different times oflife.
But ooh, I went through it whenI was young, like in my early
20s.

Tam Mac (01:48:23):
And ooh, that's a part of y'all process.
You experience different thingsat different times of your life
when you are meant toexperience it.
And if you keep going throughthe same stuff over and over and
over again, what lesson haveyou not learned?
Right.
And that's true.

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
Because I didn't think that what I'm going
through now, I I said, I waslike, this is 20-year-old shit.

Tam Mac (01:48:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
I wasn't expecting to be going through this shit at
45 years old.

Ebony (01:48:52):
Who expects to be in court at 45 years old having to
go through the shit that I'mgoing through?

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Yeah.

Michael (01:49:00):
It's just life happens and so I got a story, it's so
funny.
My life is a comedy skit madeby God, I swear.
So I get engaged, right?
In April.
And then my daughter moves inin September.

(01:49:29):
I get married in October.

Ebony (01:49:33):
What year is this?

Michael (01:49:34):
2021.
I get married in October.
I get in a car accident.
Not a car accident, sorry, Iwasn't in a car.
I get hit by a car on I 20 inNovember.
My girl leaves me in December.

Seven (01:49:57):
Your wife.

Michael (01:49:58):
My wife leaves me in December.
And that was my introduction tohaving to deal with everything
that I'm dealing with and stillbe a dad.

Speaker 5 (01:50:08):
Like you could have died in that in like describe
the accident.

Michael (01:50:12):
So I was on I-20, I was managing uh two uh two crews at
a time, and one of the crewshad caught a flat tire on the uh
side of I-20.
And so when they gave me acall, I had left to go try to
assist them.
And I called the other truck tocome out there so we could

(01:50:34):
transfer everything onto thattruck and they can keep going.
Excuse me.
In the midst of that, I waspulling off a lawnmower off of
the back of one of the trucks.
And then I woke up on the sideof the road.
The lady lost control of hercar and hit me.
And she said that she figuredthat she was going around 60

(01:50:57):
miles per hour.
And so I woke up.
Luckily, but I had a brokencollarbone, all my ribs was
fractured.
I had a chunk of uh meat in myleg tore out.
Um and I I kept going in andout of consciousness until I got

(01:51:20):
to grading.

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
And then he went to where a few days later, weeks
later?

Michael (01:51:26):
Two weeks later, I went back to work.

Tam Mac (01:51:29):
So do what now?

Michael (01:51:30):
I went back to work because I was nervous to lose my
job because I was provided formy family.

Tam Mac (01:51:34):
Spoken like a true mother.
You got that cake.

Speaker (01:51:37):
Yeah, you do.

Michael (01:51:39):
You are everybody, everybody, everybody said, even,
even, even my lawyer was like,you knew, you know, you threw
away half a million dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
Oh, because you went back to work.

Michael (01:51:50):
Cause I was at work.
It was a work on comp case.
Sir! And I work, I work, I wasworking for a bit, I was working
for a billion-dollarcorporation.
I was.

Seven (01:51:59):
Well, who advised you?
That's what I'm about to say.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Don't worry about it.

Michael (01:52:04):
And I I didn't know about nothing.
I didn't know about the money.

Tam Mac (01:52:09):
I had to pay my family or the bills.
I was that's all I can.

Michael (01:52:14):
I didn't know nobody explained anything to me.

Ebony (01:52:17):
And that's a lot of people.

Michael (01:52:19):
Let me let me know.
Y'all gotta think about it.

Tam Mac (01:52:25):
I'm taking HR.
I had to have surgery on myspine, my upper spine.
They went in through my neckright here, removed three
cushions, replaced two, put aplate and screws in, right?
Long recovery time.
But because I stayed by myself,they kept me in a hospital for

(01:52:49):
extra.
It released me to um a personalcare home.
And my life fell apart fromthat.
Because now I have no income.
I can't pay no bills, and Ican't even speak on the

(01:53:09):
situations that were happeningin these care homes.
And I'm like, I'm seeing this.
So yeah, yeah.
And I had to explain that tosomebody, and they were like,
Well, isn't it just you?
I asked I asked to borrow somemoney.

(01:53:30):
But isn't it just you?
Like, aren't you the only onethat you're supposed to look out
for?
I say, Yeah, it is just me.
Don't you have a husband?
So if you fall on ill times,you got somebody to hold you up.
Exactly.
I don't.
You have that privilege.
I don't.
But that's okay, keep yourmoney.
I'm good.

(01:53:52):
So, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
Girl, and like we started out, we all everybody
got a story, and this is so, Ilove this, but I want to
flashback real quick to theaccident.
Because what is the podcast?
What's the name of yourpodcast?

Michael (01:54:07):
The Unbreakable Black Man Podcast.

Ebony (01:54:10):
Say that.
Okay, so this chunk out of howwere you walking?

Michael (01:54:14):
He was you know the funny thing, I nursed myself
back to help.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Hell no.

Michael (01:54:21):
I went to Grady, they released me the same day.

Tam Mac (01:54:24):
Sounds about like Grady.
No, because Grady is a recoveryhospital.
They only bring you back tolife.
They're not in their life.
My cousin got hit by a car.
The same wasn't even in a car.
He got hit by a car.
And that's one of the hospitalsthat just trauma only.

Michael (01:54:40):
They told me, Yeah, your clavicle will heal on its
own, your ribs will heal on itsown, and I had them just keep
this bandage up and it willeventually close up.

Ebony (01:54:52):
The drain.
That's awful.

Michael (01:54:54):
So literally, I had to change this pad out two times a
day.
How how like open it was.
Yeah.
And muscle grew back.
Uh-huh.

Tam Mac (01:55:02):
Yeah, so you probably had to pack it.
And if you didn't go to thehospital and didn't know what to
do, you wouldn't know how topack it or how often it changes.

Michael (01:55:12):
Shout out to YouTube.

Tam Mac (01:55:13):
YouTube University.

Michael (01:55:14):
I learned how to take care of myself because I was
watching a video.

Tam Mac (01:55:18):
Once again, spoken like a true mother.
Everybody works.
We have a bigger mother.

Speaker 5 (01:55:23):
We're gonna figure it out every time.
And it just clicks becausenobody is like standing in our
ear.
Like, do this next, do that.
You just that is it justhappens.

Speaker 6 (01:55:34):
That's why I didn't go to Grady.
Like when I had that asthmaattack, that is why so the
building that I was in that day,I was in the student center,
which is a block from Grady.
I literally drove myself to VA.
Yeah.
Which was 35 minutes away.
Yeah.
I refused to go to Grady.

Tam Mac (01:55:51):
Send me to Pete Street, Pete Mott to me.
Send me to Piedmont.
I will settle for SouthernRegional Racket.

Michael (01:56:04):
After I came home, I was still pulling glass out of
my fucking woman.
Like I swear.
I said, what the fuck?
I said, how much is the bill?
They paused me $50,000.
Because I rolled the ambulanceback in whatever the fuck they
did while I was there.

Tam Mac (01:56:23):
I don't pay medical bills.
If you don't get it from myinsurance, you better off
writing it off at the end of theyear.

Michael (01:56:28):
Because I feel like healthcare should be free.
I have I was hoping that my jobwas gonna pay for it.
I waited, I waited 364 daysbefore I sued my company.
Because I wasn't gonna doanything.

Ebony (01:56:45):
Did you not file a workers' company?

Michael (01:56:47):
I didn't until until the last day.
And nobody advised.
I did on the 340th day.

Speaker 6 (01:56:56):
That should have been the day you were battling that
house.

Michael (01:56:58):
So look, I had I had a lawyer, I had the accident
lawyer, and he was like, yo, hewas like, I just want to let you
know I looked at your bills,and your job ain't paid your
bills yet.
And I was like, Well, they saidthey going to.
He was like, my brother.
He said, let me explain thisshit to you in legal terms.

(01:57:19):
After the 365th day.

Tam Mac (01:57:22):
They write it off.

Michael (01:57:23):
No, they don't write it off.
They're not liable for it nomore.

Speaker 6 (01:57:27):
The statute of limitations.
It's only a year.

Ebony (01:57:30):
That's why you filed that workers' comp claim out
immediately.

Michael (01:57:35):
And so, so this is this is my ignorance, right?
I hate talking about it becauseI should be rich right now.
But anyway, my ex called awork's men comp lawyer.
I canceled that lawyer to talkto a friend of mine's lawyer,

(01:57:56):
which was not a workman complawyer.
He was just an accident lawyer.
And I didn't know thedifference between the two.
Ignorance is a motherfucker.
They say you to know certainthings is a big thing.

Speaker 6 (01:58:08):
What my flip-floppet.

Michael (01:58:10):
Because I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know
nothing.
No, my job didn't tell menothing.
My family didn't know nothingenough to tell me anything.
Just like when you grow up.
Did any of you, you know,probably some, but my parents
didn't teach me about credit, nonothing.
So everything that I had tolearn, I'm learning on my own.

Ebony (01:58:29):
So I'm just putting this plug out there.
Please reach out to me for allHR questions.

Speaker 6 (01:58:37):
I have over I have over 20 years of experience in
HR.
I have a master's, I have amaster's degree.
Um, yeah, I can get youtogether.

Michael (01:58:50):
I need you by 2021.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
So this is a little pivot because we've been deep,
but this just reminded me thatwe all have talents, and uh,
we're gonna start from the endand work our way.
We're gonna lighten it up alittle bit, you know, because
this has been a very heavy chat.
Anyway, what is your hidden orwhat's things, right?

(01:59:14):
Like, and Abby has the pornstar voice, like the girl six,
like sex talk, like yoursupposed to be my manager.
I've I mean, here we go.

Tam Mac (01:59:24):
Here we go.
It's the Pisces in her.
Okay, Tammy!

Speaker 6 (01:59:30):
So, my hidden talent is I should be a private
investigator.
Um, if there is something tofind, I'm going to find it.
So I don't I don't I don't knowwhat my hidden talent is.
Oh no.
Yes, isn't that that's sad?
It's but I don't I don't knowwhat my hidden talent is.

(01:59:55):
No, I know things that I enjoydoing, things that I like.
Doing um I work with my hands,maybe that's what I'll say.
So I like creator, yeah.
Yeah, I definitely am creative.

Speaker 5 (02:00:08):
Creative, yeah, and now I don't know what to say.
Um mine, I know.
I'm like, dang, what is mine?
I just think that I I thinkthat I'm funny and entertaining.

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
Oh, can I say yours?

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:00:25):
So my cousin is bossy, but in a good way.
Like she is the one whoorganizes everything.
So, like, if you need to getpeople together, this is the
person that you call.
Um, if you need to organizesomething, this is the person
that you call.
If we needed to do a familyreunion, a birthday party, this

(02:00:46):
is the person that you call.
Like, she is going to get allthe things together because
that's just her personality.
So that's I'm a planner.
Like, I'm definitely a planner.

Speaker 5 (02:00:56):
I'm an organizer.
Like, even for tonight, I waslike, should we get wings?
Should we do this?
Like, what's the plan?
I am a planner and it I feellike in bossy.
I'm not bossy.
But I feel naked without aplan.
But I I do do that very well,and I I feel like I can manage a
project, like very much so.

Tam Mac (02:01:19):
You know.
So you're not bossy, you justlike to tell people what to do.
That's me.

Ebony (02:01:23):
But no, honestly, she gets it from her mom, who I love
to eat it.

Speaker 6 (02:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:01:27):
But Diva is like that because she's the oldest.
Yeah.
I just like to lead.
I be seeing things that peopledon't.
I see the blind spots.

Tam Mac (02:01:36):
Mr.
Mom.

Speaker 3 (02:01:44):
So I'm a man with uh for one, you know, I'm I'm very
good with my hands.

Michael (02:01:53):
Uh I know how to build, I know how to work on cars, um,
I know how to do a littleplumbing, electrical work.
Um I'm also a landscaper.
I do lawns uh know how to doarchitecture.
Um I do music, uh, know how tomake beats, I know how to, you

(02:02:14):
know, write lyrics.
Um I'm a podcaster.
Um also I don't know.
That's enough, I guess.

Speaker 5 (02:02:27):
But before you guys go, like that those that haven't
seen it, he built a shed in hisbackyard from like nothing.
And so you really like all thethings you said is for real, for
real.

Tam Mac (02:02:39):
So I'm gonna need a quote on that.
No worries, no worries.
Yeah, my my list is kind oflong too.
Like, I can't even lie.
Um I am a crochet fashiondesigner, which I really don't
like to use the term designer.
I I think of myself more as aum fiber art.

(02:03:03):
I make wearable art.
Um I am an artist.
Um my god.
I I do a lot of things.
It's like I have to learn everyday something new.
So I'm always masteringsomething.
So I don't know.

(02:03:24):
I I think the list will beshort if I tell you what I don't
know how to Oh, I'm also afinancial advisor.

Michael (02:03:33):
If you need any advice on finances, you can always give
me a call.
You can always hit upunbreakable blackman
podcast.com.
Or I forgot what the rest ofthe dot com is, but the dot com.

Tam Mac (02:03:45):
Backslash.

Speaker 6 (02:03:48):
Um, I don't really know what my hidden talent is.
You ride horses.
Okay, I definitely know how toride horses.
Um I don't know.
Um I'm in school for nursing,so I kind of feel like I'll be

(02:04:08):
trying to heal people.
Oh black girl magic.
Yeah.
I like making people feel good.
So um, yeah, I don't know.
Um there's a lot of black girlmagic in here.
Girl.
It's beautiful.
So beautiful.
I like to just bring my energy.

Speaker 3 (02:04:23):
In me.

Tam Mac (02:04:31):
I have been nominated for designer of the year.
It's December 20th.
So please go online and vote.
It is on my I think I did myball.
No, no, no.
That was something different.

Michael (02:04:42):
It's something different.
Oh, oh, that was different.

Tam Mac (02:04:45):
Yeah.
But um, it's on my Instagram.

unknown (02:04:51):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:04:52):
Well, you have to share your actual.

Tam Mac (02:04:54):
I was gonna say it, but I think you're you're gonna tag
it anyway, right?
So it's Chet LaCroix, C-H-E-Tunderscore L-A-C-R-O.
Vote for me.

Speaker 5 (02:05:05):
And I forgot one as well.
I probably forgot a lot, butone of them, I do voiceover work
on the side.
So um, voiceover is one ofthose things like you know,
where you're voicing somethinglike a commercial or an
audiobook or a whatever.
Um, I enjoy that.
I had a kind of a badexperience very recently, so

(02:05:28):
I've lost some of my fire withit, but um, it's it's coming
back slowly.

Tam Mac (02:05:33):
I wanna learn that.
I wanna be the the one thatreads the book, like audio book,
audio books.
Yeah.

Michael (02:05:39):
Oh shoot.
Climbing out of Pandora's boxis coming soon.
I'm starting out with a bookand then I'm gonna turn it into
a Tubi movie.
Okay.
I'm halfway done with the book.
I'm gonna be recording it withthe equipment.
Yeah, I got I only got basicequipment.
Oh, hell yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:05:58):
What is it actually?

Speaker 5 (02:05:59):
What is it about?

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
Ain't they gonna nothing?

Michael (02:06:09):
I'll tell you that.
Somebody been my book in twodays with AI.
I'm not saying right.
That's smart, that's smart.

Ebony (02:06:24):
But I want some lines.

Michael (02:06:26):
Oh, most definitely, most definitely.
I I'll after we get off ofhere, I'll explain.

Tam Mac (02:06:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna do all weapons.
You'll see you.
I'm writing a I'm in theprocess of writing a movie too.
Uh oh.
I'm here for this.
Okay.
So yeah, yeah.
I see collaborations.
I see a lot of collaborations.

Ebony (02:06:49):
You didn't even gotta pay me, I just wanna do it.
I just wanna explain it.

Michael (02:06:52):
Let me just invite it and please so so so so so I'm
I'm really trying to slowlycreate a network and to where
like, you know how like theyhave uh I'm about to bite
myself.
Like Zeus, and they have likedifferent like things to where
you can go to the website andsee different shows.

(02:07:12):
And so that's what I'm tryingto slowly get my way into doing
because I love editing, I lovelike production and stuff like
that.
So that's what I was tellingseven that I wanted to create a
um how do you say it?

(02:07:33):
Uh what do you call it whenyou're just you're acting on the
go?
Improv.
I wanna do an improv TV sitcom,like a family sitcom.
Yeah.
Kind of like how like uh whatwas that?
Uh family matters and all thatstuff was, but more so improv.
Like nobody knows what thescript is.

(02:07:54):
Like, we just coming in andwe're like, all right, look, I
lost my job today.

Tam Mac (02:08:00):
Look, look, stop right there, timestamp.
Everybody hears this is hisidea, so this opponent pay, so
nobody can steal this name.
Right now, it's yours.

Michael (02:08:19):
I should do that then.
Yeah, I'm gonna pat my gonna.
I still ain't gonna man patent.

Tam Mac (02:08:25):
As long as it's said for public knowledge, you have
it recorded, time and date,yeah, you can also write it down
in a letter.
Yeah, knowledge, write it down,email it to yourself, that's
also a problem.

Michael (02:08:36):
At 1940, I'm explaining climbing out of Pandora's box.
So, what it is is it'sbasically a young woman.
She ends up being in a verynice, you know, life with her
parents, and then her parentsabruptly gets killed in a car
accident.

Seven (02:08:57):
Don't tell them.
You're gonna edit all this.

Speaker 5 (02:08:58):
Yeah, don't, don't, don't put that with a lot.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't get the editing.

Tam Mac (02:09:10):
I wanna see the finished problem.
Yeah, I don't want to go to thebottom.

Michael (02:09:28):
Wouldn't you like to?
But yeah, so so when when whenI was when I was locked up, I
spent a lot of time readingbooks.
And the books that caught myattention the most were those
type of wacky, crazy books.
Like I love Truth to the Game,uh Dutch, like Autumn Leaves.

(02:09:55):
I used to read so manydifferent books, and then so it
got me into like, you know,like, man, I want to make a book
of my own.
Who's your favorite um author?
I don't really have one.
If if I do say one, I it gottabe whoever created the Dutch
books.
Okay.
Like R.
L.
something.
Stein, no.
Something like that.

(02:10:16):
No, R.
L.
Stein is the guy fromGoosebumps.

Tam Mac (02:10:21):
You know what I mean.

Ebony (02:10:23):
I have so many.
I read so much.

Tam Mac (02:10:25):
Mine is I I love I just forgot the man.
James Patterson.
I just forgot the man's namejust that fast.
I I fell in love with JamesPatterson.
Um, kill me if you can.
I read that book in one day.
Like, oh my god, he's my title.

Ebony (02:10:46):
I've been like reading a lot of Nora Roberts when I need
like a psychological throw.

Tam Mac (02:10:50):
Yeah, I like her books.

Ebony (02:10:53):
But I've been reading her books lately.
I've been going through someshit.

Speaker 6 (02:10:58):
I haven't heard like Rashid and shoot his ass.
Yeah, yeah.
Whatever, and you can choosewhatever you want.

(02:11:22):
Everybody can always get that.

Ebony (02:11:25):
Have you ever heard about the uh silent book club?

Speaker 6 (02:11:33):
And you just listen to your own like audio.
Or you just sit there you justsit there and so you go to like
different locations and you justbasically sit in silence for
like an hour and you just reachout everywhere.
Yeah.

Ebony (02:11:45):
And then after that hour you like socialize.
So they call it the silent.

Tam Mac (02:11:49):
Now see, I I get to crochet meetups like that.

Michael (02:11:57):
I guess I guess that's kind of like when we went to
that the thing with the soundeverybody had.
Me, my cousin, and we all hadwent to some it's Barnfire.
There you go.
And we put on everybody had onheadphones.

(02:12:18):
You could have either twochannels, one channel play, one
thing.

Speaker 6 (02:12:22):
Yep.
I like stuff like that though.
I like boat clubs and partiesand stuff like that.
Like everything is different.
It's really fun.

Speaker 5 (02:12:31):
I did one on a on a um like vacation one time at a
resort, and it was I don't know,I feel like the music wasn't,
it wasn't like my type of vibe,but it was cool.
I didn't participate for long,but I could see how it would be
a lot of fun.
So like, what's everybody's,you know, I feel like or shit.

Seven (02:12:54):
Is that your name?
Yes, no.

Speaker 5 (02:13:05):
So since I was, you know, that's her name that we're
going by.
But yeah, um, Miss Travel Queenover here, like, you know,
you've been some to some reallycool places.
And so maybe we can go aroundand talk about like, you know,
where what's our like next, orif we if money wasn't an option,
where would you go?
Type question.

(02:13:25):
But maybe you can speak aboutplaces you've actually been that
were like the middle ofAntarctica.
I don't want to find fall.
I don't want to go there.
I want to fall.

Speaker 6 (02:13:37):
I don't want to go there.
Um, so my dream is I have eightyears to retire.
So my dream is to move toAmsterdam.
That's that's really what Iwant to do.
Um but I don't know likePortugal, is beautiful, Costa
Rica is beautiful, Cuba.
I don't know if I want to staythere, but Cuba's beautiful.

(02:13:58):
Another place like Vietnam,like I would actually spend time
in Africa.

Tam Mac (02:14:03):
Well, when I make it here, I'm gonna look you up
because I don't wanna I wannamove up.
Call me.

Speaker 6 (02:14:09):
Call me.
And just any place out of here.
I'm gonna have to get to theworld.

Michael (02:14:17):
Because they said that they money is no money out
there.
I just wanna move where I'll berich.

Speaker 10 (02:14:24):
That's it.

Michael (02:14:27):
Where's another place?
I know I don't I don't knowabout any place because all the
other places are like that.
They'll robbed it real quick.

Tam Mac (02:14:36):
You see, what's on my list is Bhutan.
And my grandfather, like, allour lives we were raised to kill
and think that he was Jamaican,but he wasn't.
He was really Bhutanese.
So I I wanted to go, I did someresearch, and it's really

(02:14:59):
inexpensive to fly out there.
But they have thisall-inclusive spiritual resort
in those mountains.
And everything is included fromthe yoga to the hot stones.
I want to go and lick a frog inthe forest under a shaman's,
you know.
Do that.

(02:15:20):
Do that, but you know, I'mgonna discover something.

Michael (02:15:24):
Don't call it.

Speaker 6 (02:15:25):
No, I didn't say no, and the reason I say that, I
wanted to do an eat prey love,and that's what I did.
Right.
I got my ass on a plane, I flewfor 28 hours to Bali by myself,
and I did an eat prey love.
I rode an elephant, I flew offa swing on the side of a
mountain, I walked my littlebrown ass through some rice
fields, I met with the spiritualadvisor, I did all of the

(02:15:50):
things, yeah, and I have noregrets, and I would do it again
in a heartbeat at that pointthat it wasn't so damn.
Oh yeah.
So do it.

Tam Mac (02:15:58):
What I found is like the round trip airfare was like
less than two thousand.
The hotel for a week, and theresort for a week, it was like
what is a total altogether, Iwas looking at like 85,000.
You know, so it wasn'texpensive at all, you know, but

(02:16:20):
everything who to who too.
So what else do you want?
You know, you go there, youstay in the I'm assuming the
palace or something like apalace, you know, or a rather
large hotel, and then you justenjoy you.

Ebony (02:16:36):
Yeah.

Tam Mac (02:16:37):
You know, the language they speak is English.
There's only very few thatspeak the native tongue.
So it's nothing but that big,you wouldn't want to go out
nowhere.
Get lost in the Himalayansomewhere.
Oh god.
Anyway.

Ebony (02:17:01):
So where are you going at?

Speaker 6 (02:17:04):
Amsterdam is definitely.
So I try I had been trying to.
So the first time I went, Iwent by myself.
Um most amazing trip to go.
To travel solo is a totallydifferent experience, right?
Like you don't have anybodyelse to rely on, fill your
space, fill your noise, like youreally have to go.

(02:17:26):
It is a beautiful thing.
But so Amsterdam is where Iwant to retire.
I try to I want to go everyyear.
I didn't get to go this year.
But every year.
So next year is gonna beAmsterdam.
I don't know.
Africa is is on my is on mylist.

Michael (02:18:19):
If I was then cool beans or uh, you know if I had
to, I would.
But if I don't need if I don'thave to, then I would rather
have a vacation home out there.
I don't want to start over outthere.

Ebony (02:18:38):
I'm at an age where I want it to be comfortable.

Speaker 6 (02:18:42):
Um I think if I was in my twenties, hell yeah.
Right.
Um at 45, hell no.
Right, I would like a vacationhome there, but that grinding.

Tam Mac (02:18:54):
Like the adventurous side of me say, hell yeah, let's
do it, but then I rem rememberI don't like bugs.
And I don't like to be too hot,I don't like to be too cold,
and I'm like, You like thatcomfort too?
You like about that comfortwith the yeah, like I don't
like, yeah.
Yeah, so I definitely get it.

Speaker 6 (02:19:14):
Now I would love to experience so I would be okay
with like going out there for aperiod of time, right?
You know, like you know, everyweek I'll to learn and then
bring my ass back to thecomfort.
But I would love to experiencethat.
I think that's the way that Ijust love going because of that,
because I have a stomach issuethat's right.

(02:19:35):
So I always feel so much betterat eating outside of the United
States.

Ebony (02:19:41):
Um I would just go just so I could adjust that.

Michael (02:19:46):
It's crazy because I I be so nervous to eat outside the
United States.
You shouldn't be.
I don't be wanting to eatnothing.
I mean you need you to realiseit.

Speaker 6 (02:19:56):
I will say this.
Don't don't eat random streetfood at it.

Michael (02:20:01):
Okay, that but that's what that's what made I'd be
seeing doo-doo kitchen, youknow.
I'd be seeing all these folkscooking outside.

Speaker 6 (02:20:09):
What do these kitchens look like when you eat
here?
At that part.
What do the kitchens look likewhen you eat here?

Michael (02:20:14):
If we're being totally honest, I've worked, you know,
I've done some shitty jobs in myday, and and one of my jobs was
cleaning up restaurants atnighttime.

Speaker 6 (02:20:22):
Yeah, what'd that look like?

Michael (02:20:24):
Rats.

Speaker 6 (02:20:25):
You still eat that food.

Michael (02:20:27):
I don't.
Hey, shout out to Rays on theRiver.

Speaker 3 (02:20:32):
You had rats.

Michael (02:20:34):
They had rats, the Piccadilly's on Hugh How had a
whole bunch of roaches.
Yeah.
But the why so so so so sothat's why I love the cook.

Tam Mac (02:20:49):
Yeah.

Michael (02:20:50):
Nah, I like to cook.

Tam Mac (02:20:51):
So what you're saying is the fresh food, like home
cooked.
That's what you you trust morethan the restaurants and the
outside.

Michael (02:21:02):
Because I I got a little bit more, you know,
control.

Tam Mac (02:21:06):
There you go.
But but who's to say that thefood that you are cooking at
home is actually real food?

Speaker 6 (02:21:11):
Yeah, like all that processed food.
I mean, I think that's the onething about traveling
internationally, is like you'regetting fresh food directly from
the ocean.
So a lot of times when peoplego to these other countries and
they get sick when they firstget there, because that is a
thing, it's because they'rethey're consuming so many
processed foods here that theirstomach is in shock that they're
getting fresh stuff there.

(02:21:31):
And it actually passes after acouple of days.
I've been fortunate that Idon't get sick when I go.
I actually get sick when I comeback home here that I'm eating
this bullshit here.

Speaker 5 (02:21:43):
And our food, we were just talking about this with
the chicken shortage.
I feel like they be cloningthese chickens and doing all the
things.

Speaker 6 (02:21:49):
I mean, how do you think they have so many chicken
wings?
Right!

Tam Mac (02:21:56):
They gotta.
So with the drumettes, right?
Or the legs?
Yeah, how is it that the meatis all the way around?
Perfectly round when they hadto butcher the chicken.
Exactly my point.
So, who's to say that whatyou're eating is real food?

Michael (02:22:13):
So I eat from a restaurant on Kellaro called
China Cafeteria and Since I wasyoung.
I have never known what Ireally be eating.

Speaker 6 (02:22:30):
So I eat chicken from Chinese restaurants.
It's not chicken.
True story, true story.
I know.

Tam Mac (02:22:37):
I definitely ate cats.
But we were living in my cats.
I know.
My mom used to love this littlefood truck man.
They used to always be on theside of the road.
She always ordered her shishkebabs from this man until he
was on the news.
No! Because he was caughtcooking uh uh dalmatians.

Speaker 6 (02:22:54):
Uh uh.
Not the dog the dog.
But you know, he was aforeigner.
I mean, they do, now I will saythat, like in these foreign
countries, they do eat all theanimals now.
They don't cherish them like wedo.

Michael (02:23:10):
I remember I remember when I was doing landscaping and
we used to go to Quick Tripevery morning to gas up.
And there used to be likecertain like uh Spanish women,
Mexican women that would be attheir car selling hot plays, you
know.
And so I used to always seeher, I used to call this one
lady the tamale lady, becauseall she used to do was sell

(02:23:31):
tamales.
And I had two jobs, so I workedlandscaping in the day I worked
at Home Depot at nighttime.
And so as I'm working at HomeDepot, I noticed the tamale
lady, and so she's coming in thegarden section and she's
looking for something.
I'm like, hey, you're thetamale lady, yeah.
Yeah, I said the tamales andda-da-da-da-da.

(02:23:53):
And so I'm looking at her andit looked like she got the
chicken pots.

Speaker (02:23:58):
And I'm like, bro, what the hell you got on movie?
And these are cooking our foodin the kitchen, and we can't see
her.

Michael (02:24:05):
So next thing you know, I asked her what I said, so
what's going on?
What you need?
She was like, She neededsomething for fleas because she
had uh a heavy infestation offleas, and that's what all the
stuff was on her and stuff likethat.
So I'm like, Sada, you tellingme that my lips got fleas to my

(02:24:25):
lips, hot to my lips, get themby the hell red and hot I said,
I said, you know what, this isthis is this is validation on
why it is very important youknow where your food is coming
from.

Tam Mac (02:24:44):
What your president said they cooking all the cats
and dogs at it.

Michael (02:24:57):
Get him off, get him off the air.
Well, ladies, we had two hoursand 25 minutes and do it.
Good conversation always lastslong.
I've had listeners tell me,nigga, why your podcast so long?
Back in the day, it used to belike four and five hours.

(02:25:18):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (02:25:20):
I would have to spend the night right here.

Michael (02:25:24):
So yeah, that's why I cut, I try to cut it down to
two, you know, and I try to beon point with it, because
literally you get so caught upin conversation, especially.
And you just yeah, you keepgoing, keep going, and then you
wake up.
I mean, I wake up.
He did what's oh you ain'tlying.
So I'm sitting, I was liketrying to cry.

(02:25:46):
We had to definitely edit outbecause I remember, you know, I
still got the little part whereuh James was picking on me
because I'm sitting here with myhands halfway in my pants, I'm
asleep, and I'm still like, youthink I can't do this?
He was like, Yeah, you thinkyou can't do this.

(02:26:08):
I watched it back.
I said, damn.
All right, so three things.
I said, I can't get too drunk,I can't do this sleepy, and I
gotta stay focused.
Like, sheesh, I look sohorrible on that.
But thanks, guys.

Ebony (02:26:26):
I will expect my check in the mail.

Michael (02:26:29):
Shit, when I get mine, I'll be sure.
Yeah, you know.
Hey shit, I've been trying toget monetized forever.
Like, hey, pick me, pick me.
You know, shit.
I'm trying to get a littlecheck too.

Tam Mac (02:26:40):
I got a blooper for you.
So I'm over here dealing withyour limp mic.

Ebony (02:26:47):
Like a lot of men in Atlanta.

Michael (02:26:50):
I guess I'm special to make that too.
After hours.
How does that make you afuckboy?
Because I'm defending my guyson that thing.

(02:27:10):
A lot of time, a lot, a lot oftimes, a lot of times people get
get it misconstrued.
Uh-oh.
Right?
I I be telling sometimes peoplethis, you know, if if the man's
if the man's thingy thingyain't getting right, it must be

(02:27:31):
something that he's not likingwhat he's seeing.

Speaker 6 (02:27:35):
So it's our father.
That's what I heard.

Speaker 1 (02:27:38):
Joe Pete don't worry.

Michael (02:27:41):
I'm sorry, but I'm sorry.
Look, look, look, first off,it's it's not fair.
Wrong.
It's not fair.
It's not fair.
It's not fair.
It's not fair.

Tam Mac (02:27:49):
What's going on in your side?

Michael (02:27:51):
You could be dry as the Sahara Desert.

unknown (02:27:55):
Oh my.

Michael (02:27:56):
And you can still perform.

Ebony (02:27:58):
Hold on, so alright.
Ectile dysfunction is outthere.

Michael (02:28:01):
See, there we go.
Everybody don't have theerectile dysfunction.
Sometimes it's just that we'renot attracted.

Tam Mac (02:28:07):
No, sometimes it can be your mind is just not into it.
Thinking about the bills thatyou have to pay.
There you go.
Or thinking about other things.

Michael (02:28:14):
It's not always erectile dysfunction.

Tam Mac (02:28:19):
It is a dysfunction of mine.
Damn all of that.
I just want you to catch yourlifty mic.
Move your girl.
It's all lifty.

Michael (02:28:31):
It's all it's it's all in the it's all in the different
positions that you use.
You see the angles?
You know, it's all it's allit's all about the angles.
You gotta have it at the sameangle.

Seven (02:28:48):
And that's what they do, though.

Tam Mac (02:28:49):
That's what I was trying to do this whole time.
It was making too much noise.
I heard it in the mic.
I mean in the head.

Speaker 6 (02:28:54):
But it's got to be the, you know, whatever.
I'm sorry.
What do I know?

Michael (02:28:58):
Um back to our ending.
Sorry.
You see how they try to do us,guys?
Next time, it is going to be apanel of guys.

Tam Mac (02:29:12):
You want me to feel in for your sister?

Speaker 5 (02:29:14):
I might just need some backup because I love a
good debate.

Michael (02:29:18):
I ain't have no backup.
I don't have no backup.
Don't roll your neck.
I ain't rolling no neck, baby.

Speaker 3 (02:29:24):
Don't roll your eyes.

Speaker 6 (02:29:24):
I didn't roll no eyes, baby.
I am an angry black woman rightnow, so call me if you need to.

Michael (02:29:31):
Cthulhu, what the fuck is this?

Seven (02:29:33):
She's a little bit there, too.

Speaker 6 (02:29:36):
Right.

Michael (02:29:38):
She looked, she's looking at me still.

Speaker 6 (02:29:39):
She's like, that's right.
She said, I'm with them.

Tam Mac (02:29:42):
Right.
What you talking about.

Speaker 6 (02:29:44):
That part.

Michael (02:29:44):
She's just staring at me like.

Tam Mac (02:29:46):
That's how she looked at me when I told her to come in
from outside.
She looked at me like bitch,what?
Like, oh my bad.

Seven (02:29:52):
I got me a break.

Michael (02:29:56):
So anybody that has not subscribed to the unbreakable
black.
Black Man Podcast, please, youknow, take some time to
subscribe.
I got good morninginspirations.
I also have the Friday nightrambles.
I'm slowly gonna be working onother things.
And um, you know, everybody, Igive a round of applause.

(02:30:16):
Thank you for everybody comingout and giving y'all stories and
being honest and open.
It is very important that a lotof times, I hope one day that,
you know, I'll get past 25subscribers.
I'm I'm talking shit, but youknow, I'm I'm very known on on

(02:30:36):
uh on Buzz Brown.
You know what I mean?
My my uh my second biggestaudience is Japan.
Okay.
Oh, my bad.
Germany, third is Japan.

Tam Mac (02:30:46):
International internationally known
microphone.

Michael (02:30:52):
But for some I well, I just started I just started
YouTubing.
So that's why I'm only at 25.

Tam Mac (02:31:00):
And you don't share it, you gotta share it.
Y'all, I shared it with likeeverybody on my timeline.
I shared it online, I sharedit.
I'll be on social mediasometimes.
But you don't share it.

Ebony (02:31:12):
I mean, are you trying to get us paid?

Michael (02:31:14):
No, so so you know.
I'm social, but I'm social butantisocial.

Tam Mac (02:31:20):
I get that.
And I can't are you trying tosee us paying?
I'm like that with my ownstuff, so I get that.

Speaker 5 (02:31:26):
But I feel like if I had all this, that's you know,
I'm you know, but I'm trying,slowly but surely.

Ebony (02:31:36):
I got trips to take.

Seven (02:31:38):
Like, can we make it talk about what I'm trying to do?
He's having fun with it, butnow that's all that is.

Speaker 6 (02:31:46):
It's $10,000.
So we need to make this happen.

Ebony (02:31:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:31:50):
The who?

Ebony (02:31:51):
The pod, the Delta One pod is $10,000.

Speaker 1 (02:31:54):
Oh, that's first class.

Speaker 3 (02:31:55):
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I need that.

Michael (02:32:01):
We all need that.
Me and Messiah do big the bigseats on spirit.

unknown (02:32:05):
Oh no.

Speaker 5 (02:32:05):
And he's not like I'm sorry.

unknown (02:32:07):
No, it's not my ministry.

Michael (02:32:13):
But my daughter, my daughter, my daughter had got my
uh my daughter's mother soupset when she was like, What is
this?
This isn't spirit.
She was like, You got mydaughter thinking that cheap
ass.

Speaker 6 (02:32:29):
Oh my god.
Oh, she thought spirit wasthere.
Yeah.
She thought shit.

Michael (02:32:36):
My my daughter, my daughter thinks that spirit is
one of the best airlines.

Speaker 6 (02:32:40):
You're doing the baby wrong.
You're doing the baby.

Tam Mac (02:32:41):
No, see, that's all she knows.

Michael (02:32:43):
So, so, so, but, but y'all gotta understand it's not
about the name, it's about theexperience, right?
So think about this.
We can't afford first class,you know, like some ballers.

Speaker 1 (02:32:54):
No, no, no, no, no.
She said that's not the workingthing.

Speaker 6 (02:32:59):
I did say that it had to be first class.
I thought there was a comfort.
Uh-huh.
And that's because I have pointwell miles.

Ebony (02:33:08):
But spirit?
Y'all take it over the spirit.

Michael (02:33:10):
So, so, so, so, so, so we get the big seats on spirit.
So, that's the we get the two.

Speaker 5 (02:33:16):
Yeah, but it's like a first class experience.
Yeah.

Michael (02:33:20):
It's so, so it's yeah, it's comic.

Speaker 5 (02:33:22):
But you pay for everything.

Michael (02:33:24):
The snacks aren't that expensive.

Speaker 5 (02:33:27):
You pay for everything.

Michael (02:33:30):
And I tell my daughter, I say Perfect.
Choose what you want, baby.

Tam Mac (02:33:36):
See, that's how they keep the prices so low.
That is because that's howthey're not.

Speaker 6 (02:33:43):
But that's like frontier.
Choose, that's right.
Go ahead.
What you want?

Michael (02:33:46):
You want you want the pretzels and the MMs?

Tam Mac (02:33:49):
That's right.
Oh, big.

Michael (02:33:50):
Oh, do you want to go ahead?
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
It should be like, Dad, look atall them going to the back of
the plane.
Like, you're right.
You're motherfucking right.
I'm glad you recognize thisshit.

Ebony (02:34:04):
Well, you know what?
I'm not gonna hate because atleast she's getting on the
plane.
She's going here.

Michael (02:34:08):
Oh, yeah.
Man, so so so a part of mytherapy after after, you know,
I'm just getting my daughter andmy ex leaving.
I spent the most money on mydaughter just to go to Orlando,
Florida.
I think we spent almost $6,000on Orlando, Florida, because we

(02:34:29):
have flu Spirit.
But when we got there, westayed at we stayed at the
Universal Resort.
Uh, we went to both Universal,Universal Islands of Adventure.
We got the Fast Pass.

Ebony (02:34:46):
So Okay, so I'm not mad about you flying Spirit because
I thought it saved money forother things.

Michael (02:34:52):
Oh no, I'm a barber.
I'm just a fool with the ball.

Ebony (02:34:54):
You ball within a budget.

Michael (02:34:56):
There we go.

Speaker 6 (02:34:56):
Like, so I thought you were gonna say they say that
like budget is so that's moveon is my best screen.

Michael (02:35:06):
I like to I like to go crazy on things that I want to
go crazy on.
No, I get the spirit.
I ain't taking my spirit.

Tam Mac (02:35:14):
It don't matter how you cut it.

Speaker 6 (02:35:17):
I I got it now.

unknown (02:35:19):
I got it.

Michael (02:35:19):
But but look, boy, we had the best that we look my
dog's like, Dad, we should justride this ride like five more
times just to show those guys.
I was like, come on, let's go.

Ebony (02:35:29):
Okay, so I get his logic.
So, prime example, when I go toSolana, because it's not cheap,
I will fly with the common folkin the main cabin instead of
comfort.
On my turn?
Yeah, yeah.

(02:35:49):
But it will be on Delta, that'sweird.

Michael (02:35:52):
That's fine.
That's fine.
I look, I don't knock nobody'sthing, you know.
I don't knock nobody's thing,because I like I tell people all
the time, you know, I have tobe frugal because I do this all
on my own, you know, and I wantthings like a house and and and
and a car that's paid for.
So I got I you know, I got myshit together.

(02:36:13):
But if it on the outsidelooking in, oh I'm a cheat
motherfucker.
You have to be.
But there you go.
I'm I'm I'm only cheat cuz Igotta be.

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