Ed and Stefano Unleashed: The Big Premiere!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kick back and relax with Ed and Stefano Unleashed.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Unleashed, unleashed, unleashed.
Welcome to Okay, everyone, stepright up.
All of you across the internethumans, cyborgs, ais, geeks,
tinkerers, sysadmins and loversof everything self-hosted.
The moment has arrived.
Welcome to Ed and Stefanoano.
Unleashed.
Hello, stefano.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
How are you doing?
I really like that intro.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I've that's the first time I've heard it, just so
everybody knows yeah, I wasthinking about that this morning
and I thought, yeah, let's do akind of like a showmaster intro
, you know sounding like the oldfashioned circus people.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, I like it, that's great.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I thought that'd be pretty cool.
So yeah, for everyone watching.
This is a new show that Stefanoand I are going to be doing
every month.
Yeah, Yep.
And, you know, should we tellthem how we came up with the
name Stefano?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Sure, yeah.
So I was kind of we weretalking amongst each other and
like exchanging ideas and I waskind of joking around saying
that you know you need to keepEd on a tight leash because he
plays.
He's a bit.
He's known as a jokester.
I'm sure you guys have seen allhis videos.
He jokes around way too muchWay.
He's not serious at all.
And so I was saying you need tokeep him on a tight leash.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Then I came back to that and said, no, I want to be
unleashed.
And then suddenly I thoughtthere's an Unraid license called
Unleashed.
I thought, wow, that's justmarketing genius.
Yeah, so we're stuck with thatname now.
Sorry about that, Stefano.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
No, I think it's perfect.
Sometimes the world just writesits own script and you just got
to follow along with it.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So it's perfect.
So anyway, um, the firstepisode we're doing is going to
be pre-recorded, but we areplanning on switching to live,
where we want you guys out thereto, um, basically join in with
the show, and you know youbetter join in with chats and
super chats, that kind of thing.
So you know, we really hope youguys become a part of the show
and it becomes a pretty coolkind of chill out, techie,

(02:10):
self-hosting, unraid place tohang out.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
We can all laugh together, cry together, bleed
together.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yep, and you guys can rib both me and Stefano over
our kind of stupid mistakes.
We'll probably make our badsetups on our service and all
our kind of stupid mistakes.
We'll probably make you knowour bad setups on our service
and all that kind of thing.
But audience participation isthe key.
You know, we really, reallywant to encourage you guys to
join in.
The shows are going to be thefirst Saturday of every month

(02:38):
yes and we are planning the nextshow to be live.
We weren't going to let you guyskind of join in quite yet
because you know I'm scared mymicrophone will cut off or
something.
So this is our kind of dry run,so it will be really fun to
have you guys join in.
So, anyway, for people who maybe watching this, who have never

(03:00):
seen any Unraid videos before,they haven't seen MySpace and
Veda1 channel, they haven't seenStefano's channel, do you think
we should say who we are,stefano?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, may as well, just in case.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, so I'll let you go first.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Right, so my name is Stefano Partita.
I'm from SPX Labs.
I've been making Homelabcontent for about 10 years in
total.
Actually, I just hit my 10-yearanniversary last year.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh, congratulations man.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Thank you, thank you.
And so for a long time I'vebeen using Unraid.
I'm pretty familiar with Unraid, I've got like three Unraid
servers, and so I've just been apart of the community for a
long time.
And it's good to kind of now bea part of unraid itself and
create content for unraid.
Uh, versus, you know on my ownchannel and yeah, it's pretty

(03:50):
cool.
And, ed, you have a similarstory right yeah, similar story.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I actually started using unraid in about 2012.
Yeah, um, there's a swap overfor a buffalo link station.
That kind of went a bithorribly wrong.
Quite honest, I didn't use itfor very long about six months
and then I kind of drifted intokind of like USB hard drives,

(04:15):
storing it on variousworkstations here, there and
everywhere.
But then I kind of gotinterested in Unraid again when
Docker and VMs hit the scene inUnraid 6.
I looked at it then and therewas just no turning back.
It was.
It kind of brought back the funfrom.
You know, I'm a bit older thanyou, stefano, but my first
computers were kind of thingslike Commodore 64, atari, amiga

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and things like that, and thosedays were so fun.
And Unraid has kind of broughtback those same feelings.
Like as soon as I started, youknow, using VMs and stuff.
It was like that and those dayswere so fun.
And unraid has kind of broughtback those same feelings, like
as soon as I started, you know,using vms and stuff.
It was like that sameexcitement that I used to have
as a child using computers and,um, that's one of the reasons I
love unraid is, you know, it'smore than just an operating

(05:00):
system.
It's kind of I don't know it'sjust easy.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
It's just it's so simple.
Yeah, I mean like because, likeit was funny, I was at the
point at a crossroads foreverago and I was like really upset
with how windows was handlingtheir updates which it's
partially my fault because I wasso new to servers and I was
still learning and stuff but Ifelt like every time there was
an update, something would breakand I was just getting so sick.

(05:25):
But I felt like every timethere was an update, something
would break and I was justgetting so sick of it.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
And I had finally gotten to the point where I was
like that's the same today,isn't it with Windows?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
It feels like it.
It certainly does, but I don'tuse Windows servers to any
capacity to actually know howthat works out right.
And so I wanted to switch toLinux, but I didn't know
anything about bash or likeshell, I didn't know like how to
script or any of that stuff.
So I was like terrified, and Iwas especially terrified of the

(05:53):
command line, because I hadgrown up using the, you know the
, the ui on windows.
But you know, and I, I want tosay I started off looking at
Debian or Ubuntu or maybe both,and then, right along that time,
I had saw Unraid and it waslike around 2012 as well, and

(06:15):
actually I think for me it wouldhave been 2014, somewhere
around there, it doesn't matterand I was like, wow, this is
like way more simple and it doesexactly what I need.
And oh wait, hey, lifetimelicense.
Yeah, Sign me up.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
So do you actually use like a Linux desktop
operating system at all in yourhome lab currently?

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Technically, no.
So because I use a Mac or Appleproducts, I guess, for anything
serious related products, Iguess for anything serious
related.
Um well, I'm on windows rightnow streaming, but I use my mac
for interfacing between my linuxoperating systems as well as my
windows world, I guess, but no,I don't, I don't use like a

(06:56):
linux workstation so you know.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
So you're an apple guy.
I hope you haven't spent athousand dollars on an apple
monitor stand of you stuff.
No, you haven't done that yetno, that's good.
Just, there is hope for youthen, yeah, no, I must say I'm
using a mac laptop myself now.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Um, yeah and um, it's just, it's nice because, like,
everything's integrated that Ineed, like I don't have to go
well.
So I guess linux for subsystemis now included with Windows,
but it used to not be that wayand now it's too late.
I've learned the Mac ecosystem.
I've been with it for so longnow that you know I don't Like

(07:34):
SSH is just there and a lot ofthe Linux command tools are just
there.
And if you need additionalstuff, you know you can use
Sublime or Wget.
Take Wget everything orwhatever you know can use
sublime or wget take wgeteverything or whatever you know.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
install whatever you need have you, um, have you
heard of that?
Um, I can't remember what theoperating system's called.
It's another arm operatingsystem, linux distro, that is
currently running on some applesilicon.
I don't believe it runs on mym3 mac I.
As we are not live, I'm goingto quickly have a look okay, no,

(08:08):
I haven't heard of anythinglike that.
I'd love to.
Um, I don't even need to look,I can remember it's called a
shanty, linux a shanty.
Um.
Let me double check that yeah,now I'm down.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
You've piqued my curiosity, sir.
I think I typed it in wrongbecause.
I'm looking at a person.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Well, it's because I've pronounced it completely
wrong.
It's Asashi Linux.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh Asashi.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
A-H-I.
Yeah, I haven't tried it outyet.
I know a couple of people whohave, but I haven't actually got
to tried it out yet.
I know a couple of people whohave, but I haven't actually got
to try it out yet because Idon't believe it works on M3
CPUs fully.
I was very tempted to buy anold M1 Mac Mini just to try it
out.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
That looks pretty cool, I think.
For me, I probably would justavoid it for now, just because
my Mac is my bread and butter.
Right, I need it to work.
I need that always.
On driver support that Appleprovides I can't remember the
last time I actually had totinker with drivers on Mac,
because generally everything itjust works right, except when it

(09:21):
doesn't.
I need that stability.
Mac's magic when it works, butit's like the devil when it
doesn't but you know, max, Ineed that stability, max magic
when it works, but it's like thedevil when it doesn't.
You know, yeah, yeah, butthankfully it.
It's very stable, like 99% ofthe time, at least for me.
I don't really tinker with theoperating system too much, I
just use it as more of aterminal to touch other things

(09:42):
or like use web apps.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
So yeah, are you on an apple laptop or desktop or?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
um, I actually just switched to an apple mac mini,
so I have the new m4 mini and,oh my gosh, it's like it.
It's not crazy expensive, it'sridiculously powerful.
It's got a 10 gig on boardoption and I love it so they're
very reasonable price.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
The mac mini's, you know it's like quite amazing you
can get them for that kind ofprice.
And you know, um, yeah, youknow, especially when you
compare them I was going to talkabout a bit later on.
You know, especially when youcompare it to nvidia, gpus,
stefano, what the hell is goingon with the um 5080 launch.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know it's yeah, man, everything's just gotten so
expensive.
I mean, and I remember, like Ifeel like when I was a kid I
remember grass cards being about350 dollars I was like this is
so this is unaffordable.
Like who can buy this stuff?
It's so expensive.
And now it's like a thousanddollars for a 5080.
That was probably six to sevenhundred dollars, you know, in

(10:50):
2010, 2014, ish, yeah it's just,yeah, it's been the same old
story, you know, um.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
You know, let's be honest, you know no one could
actually buy one.
I thought I'm gonna buy a 5080.
I'm gonna test it out withpass-through.
It'll make a great video and assoon as it was released in the
uk, I was there kind ofrefreshing patient.
I thought I've got one, it's inthe basket.
I paid, brilliant, and it said,like you know, do you want
two-day shipping?
I thought hell yeah yeah I'llhave it by tuesday, whatever it

(11:20):
was like.
I thought, yeah, great, so um,but you didn't you didn't get
yours right, is that you?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
oh, no, no, didn't you have trouble?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
didn't get it.
So it came to tuesday, the dayit was meant to be delivered.
And um, I said to vanessa I'mso excited.
You know, um, if you hear thedoorbell ringing, make sure you
answer it, in case I don't hear.
You know, I don't them leavinglike a 50, 80 on the on the
doorstep.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
You know a porch, you're standing in the window
just looking through the blindsall day.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
And yeah, I'm thinking it's not coming.
So I go on to the computer,look through the email.
I'm not going to say thecompany I bought it from, but I
wasn't very happy with them.
And I had an email and it saidyou are number 134 in the queue.
Your expected delivery date isApril something.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Oh my gosh, I thought you bloody Beep, beep, beep
beep beep I got you Straightaway.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I got a refund.
I thought I'll wait for the5070.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Ti.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I'm not a real heavy gamer like you.
You know a 5070 Ti would havebeen great for me.
I've got a 3080 now and I thinkit's the 10 gig one I've got
and it looks like the 5070 Ti isthe better buy anyway over the
5080.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
At least if I'm remembering correctly.
I haven't really kept up withit too too much, because the
5000 series has just been aterrible launch.
So I was like I don't know,there's no chance I'm going to
upgrade because I have a 4000series Right, so it would be
ridiculous to upgrade.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well then I went on to the 5070 Ti and I had that
sort of part of graphics cardlaunches, my favorite 0.2
seconds worth of launches whereyou have.
You have it in your cart for itdisappear when you click, click
, pay.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
You know, that was nice for you know half a second,
but yeah that's been myexperience so far with um trying
to buy a graphics card yeah, I,I, when I was trying to get the
4000 series because we had asimilar issue when that came out
, I was telling my friends waslike, hey, if anybody can grab a
founder Edition, buy it andI'll pay you back.
But no matter where you went,they would sell out so fast

(13:30):
because of bots or whatever.
And I remember I finally got tothe point where I had the
ability to add one to a cart,add it to my cart, and then, for
whatever reason, I got signedout because I was sitting there
refreshing so much or somethingI'm not sure.
So I added to my cart and wentto hit checkout and it was like,
oh, you need to sign in.
And I was like no, no, and bythe time I got signed back in

(13:52):
and whatever, it was sold out.
I was so disappointed.
So I ended up going withGigabyte, which is a brand I've
owned once before, and it wasfine, like I didn't have any
problems.
But typically I wouldn't buygigabyte graphics cards, but
it's been fine.
I did break it that one time,but I don't know if that was

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their fault or mine.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I'm going to blame them.
It must have been their fault,Stefano.
Of course it's their fault.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I've never broken a fan, ever in my entire life.
20 years of tinkering with pcs,never broken a single component
.
And somehow a fan blade.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
A fan blade breaks wow, those things are not easy
to break.
No, no, yeah, I think, um, I'mnot sure if I'm right, you
probably know more than I, butum, with the 5070 ti, there
wasn't.
They didn't make a FoundersEdition with that one, did they?
I?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
don't think so, not yet.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
No, I really like the Founders Edition.
How they look.
I always think they look nicer.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said fanless, oh
yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
No Founders, yeah, Founders, it's my UK accent.
Sorry about that, stefano.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
No k accent.
Sorry about that, stephanie.
Um, you know, no, uh, I don'tthink they did.
I think they only made the.
I don't even know if they madea 5080 actually, did they no?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
they had to have.
I think they had a.
I think they had a founders5080 but not a 5070 ti.
I don't know yeah, no, you're.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
You're definitely right about that.
You're definitely right aboutthat, they do.
They do have a Founders Edition5080.
Okay, but it's only got 16 gigsof RAM.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right.
I'm really hoping that in a fewmonths' time that there'll be a
bit more stock available andpeople will start buying the
5080s.
But I kind of you know, I don'tknow call me cynical, but I
think NVIDIA deliberately make ashortage.
You know it enriches them alittle bit more.

(15:47):
There's an old saying in the UKI don't know if you have it in
the USA there isn't a dishonestmove in chess, thanks which
obviously they're going to tryand make as much money as they
can.
So I want the hype to die down.
Then I'll try and get a 4080,think you know, when people are
selling them, when there's more5080 and stuff and I'll get a
4080, that's yeah, that'sprobably a good call and I, you

(16:10):
know, honestly, I don't reallyknow it.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
the it's definitely a paper launch and I wonder if
they're just holding on to asmuch silicon as possible for
their enterprise, um, equipment,equipment, but I would assume
that the GPUs, I guess, aredifferent on the consumer line
than they are on theirenterprise products.

(16:32):
Whatever happened, I wantNVIDIA to just be like.
This is what really went downFrom their standpoint, why they
think it's more of a paperlaunch.
They stopped making the 4090forever ago, so so they could
produce more, 5 000 series cardsright, but that doesn't seem to

(16:53):
have helped at all anyway, I'mswitching gears.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
have you heard that, um microsoft has sent skype to
the great recycle bin in the skyand they're shifting everyone
to Teams at the moment?
It's about time I thought itwent to the recycling bin in the
sky about 20 years ago.
It's that program that youthink you uninstalled, but it
always used to come back, didn'tit?

(17:18):
It is that's exactly right.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I think I have it now on my PC as soon as Microsoft
bought it.
I remember when they made theannouncement I think I was still
in college and they were like,oh, we're we're buying skype.
And I was like, oh, I'muninstalling skype right now.
And oh, I activated my camerasomehow and, uh, like, I
uninstalled it that day and I'venever touched this ever.

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Literally everyone I knowjumped ship that same day on the
announcement.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, but the real question is, I think, is like
you know who are these Skypepower users, like you know,
still clinging to it, you know,I guess it's like that one
relative that I've got that'sstill got a Hotmail address and
refuses to upgrade their iPhone.
Pardon, number six.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, I still have a Hotmail address too.
I don't use it.
You only really use it for,like, microsoft products and
stuff.
But I mean, that kind of makesa little bit more sense, right,
because they don't really deleteyour email.
But with Skype, there's been somany, much more better products
since it first came out or, I'msorry, I'm sorry Since

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Microsoft first acquired it,like we've just had a lot better
things, right, but I don't.
I literally don't know whyanyone would still use it today
or have been using it within thelast five years.
Like I don't know anybody.
Do you know anyone that'sactually used it?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I don't, but I bet you there's some poor IT
department out there that's gotan entire company running on
Skype for business.
Pray for them, Stephano.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, they probably work in the medical field too,
so just bad times all around.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, so have you heard that Amazon's joined the
quantum computing race with achip?
What's it called Ocelot orsomething like some quantum
computing chip?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
ocelot, I think is that.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Is that how you pronounce it?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
yeah, I'm not sure that's how I would say it.
People in the comments probably.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, yeah, another named after a cat.
You know, I think you know, aichips.
They like kind of, oh, like um,intel had what was it?
The puma ai chip.
It seems like I think the techindustry likes cats all around,
like we have come leopard withapple and things like that with
operating systems.
I mean they make for good names.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
They're like, yeah, fast creatures, and they like
idle.
They're kind of like cpus whenyou think about it.
They're exciting to be around.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
They purr so so do you think that now amazon's in
the quantum game, it's going tospeed up my prime delivery?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
so uh, I hope so I don't think so.
I so actually, you know.
Speaking of prime delivery, Iactually had to cancel my amazon
Prime when I moved to Alabama.
I don't know what it is aboutthis area.
We have an Amazon distributioncenter very, very close.
By Packages they say two days,and sometimes it'll be a week or

(20:18):
not delivered at all I don'tknow what's the problem, but
I've for over a year now.
I have not got a single packagein two days.
So maybe their quantum computercan help figure that out.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I doubt it but.
I've just totally given up onit.
At least, if you don't get itfaster, maybe they'll be able to
give you an accurate estimateof time when it's going to be
delivered.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, maybe they'll be able to do that with like
what do you call those?
Like atomic clocks you use likean atomic clock or something,
so it's like pinpoint accuratealso, I think, um microsoft have
made some kind of new quantumcomputing chip.
I think the um, I think theamazon one.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Now, I don't, you know, I don't know much about
quantum computing at all, Idon't really know anything about
it, but, um, it's alltheoretical, I believe.
Like you know, they freeze itdown to something like 0.5
kelvin, which is like I thinkit's colder than space to make
all of the molecules in thatarea not actually move, and they
pump all of the air out.
That's why they're in thosekind of cylinder things, yeah,

(21:18):
yeah, because anything candisrupt the quantum field, um,
and so I think the amazon chipsare trying to kind of overcome
that in a traditional way.
But these microsoft ones, Ithink they're called like um
merora chip or something, themicrosoft ones it's, I think
it's after an italian guy whodiscovered um special quantum

(21:42):
particle, theoretically, I thinkit was in about 1938.
It was a long time ago.
And an interesting thing abouthim is he actually going off
topic a bit here.
He boarded a boat with all ofhis paperwork and, um, he, um
had like various theories and heoften said that he didn't think

(22:02):
his theories were good enoughor important enough to publish.
Apparently he got on a.
I'm not sure where he was going.
I think it might have been fromItaly to Sicily?
I'm not sure, and he never cameoff.
The other side, apparently, isit Majorana?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Is that the one you're talking?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
about.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I think so.
Yeah, I'm probably pronouncingit totally wrong, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, I mean, I don't know Majorana is what I would
say.
So, knowing Microsoft, they'llrename it in like a week anyway
and then rename it again andrebrand it again, so they'll
probably end up calling it Azureor something.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
But apparently it works totally differently.
They're kind of taking theproblem in a different way with
the interference and I thinkthey've got eight oclets working
Oclets.
So they say it's going tobecome more of an engineering
problem than a scientificproblem.
So they say it's going tobecome more of an engineering
problem than a scientificproblem.
So they think it might be kindof three to five years to follow
as a quantum computer.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
So I don't know if you've heard this.
I don't remember where I heardthis from and I could just be
totally spewing misinformationand lies right now.
But, I'm going gonna say itanyway, but I had heard that,
like with our current justregular cpus, like the actual
lanes have gotten so small.
Uh, due to, like, nanomanufacturing or whatever that

(23:21):
like they're having troublekeeping the electrons inside the
lanes and they're like I'veactually heard that yeah, like
um, because they're getting sothin, or something.
Yeah, yeah, excuse me, I wonderif quantum CPUs have the same
issues.
I would imagine Similar issues.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think it is Now.
People who actually know aboutthis are probably going to
correct me in the comments, andplease do yes definitely please.
I think the problem with quantumcomputers is you have to
observe, because it can be.
Either in a normal computerit's one or zero.
Observe because it can beeither, like you know, in a
normal computer it's one or zero.
Quantum it can be kind ofanywhere in between as well, and
it can.
It can exist in two separatestates at the same time.
So they have to actually beable to observe that and look at

(24:04):
it with something, and so Ithink the kind of electron beams
or something they're looking atit with that can disrupt the
state.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, because if you observe something, you are
inherently changing the state ofit, right?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
yeah, so that's, that's the kind of like kind of
problem.
But yeah, that's how Iunderstand it.
I'm sure it's probably wrong.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I mean, I'm not a physicist either, so I assume, I
assume, like maybe we'll have,like quarks, cpus in the future,
because electrons are too big,so we'll move to something even
lower down.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Changing the subject a bit, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh wait, actually I don't know how badly you're
going to change the subject.
Not sort of related, but NVIDIAactually just dropped their new
ARM CPU oh really, 20 hours ago?
Oh, no, or announced it like 20hours ago, or like a benchmark
was leaked or something likethat.
No, that's what it was.
A benchmark was leaked onGeekbench and right now it's

(24:58):
running very poorly.
So, kind of related, but notreally.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I was excited until you said it's running poorly.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well, I mean, I feel like I don't have enough
information.
So what is poorly right?
It depends on what you'recomparing it to.
I suppose I don't have enoughinformation.
So what is poorly right, likeit could be what?
It depends on what you'recomparing it to, I suppose,
cause it could be really good.
It could run better than likean Intel 14, 700 K for all we
know.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
That's not hard to do .
I found that, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I was shocked when I switched to Apple Silicon how
quickly it could render myvideos.
Like I was.
You know, I had I had like a3900k and rtx 3080 and I'd
render out a video in, say, 40minutes.
And then when I got the m3 macit was doing it in about 15 20
minutes yeah, and the power drawwas extremely low as well yeah,

(25:48):
yeah it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
So you know it's funny.
I got my m4 and the first thingI did you know, unraid has the,
uh, the, the oh my gosh the,the boink team where you know
you can uh solve uh proteins, oh, yeah, yeah.
Or protein folding, yeah, yeah.
So I was like I'm gonna justhop on there and and kind of
gauge like where the m4 is.

(26:10):
And, uh, somebody had like56,000 points or something like
that.
I installed Boink on my M4 andthen became first place on the
leaderboard for the Unraid teamwith just one system and like I
think the other guy had maybelike three or four x86 systems
and I was like this one thing isbeating him, is probably using,

(26:34):
I don't know, 100 watts maybeI'm just I just made that number
up, so I don't actually knowbut probably using way less
power than he is and it's stilljust, it's so powerful yeah, I
think you know for a laptop youjust can't beat it.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
my battery just lasts hours and hours and hours.
I had a Razer laptop before andthe charger was like the size
of a house and also if youwanted to buy a spare charger it
was like about £150.
It's crazy, but I'm reallyhappy with the Mac.
Do you use an iPhone at all, orare you an Android guy?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, I have an iPhone 13.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Do you use things like Apple Pay and things like
that?
Yeah, I've not used thatpersonally, I'm kind of old
school, still use the cards, butI've heard in local tech news
that Nice segue.
Well, not local.
It's pretty good, eh?
In China, they've made apayment system where you

(27:36):
actually pay with the palm ofyour hand.
Yeah, so if they adopt it inthe UK, if anyone scans this now
, you'll be able to actually usethis and take all their money.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
So it's not just scanning their hands right.
It's like looking at the veinsin on the inside of their hands
right yeah, yeah, I believe so.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, it's kind of a bit creepy to me, you know.
Yeah, it's creepy.
Creepy enough with face id forme.
Can you imagine being out onthe date?
Yeah, and um, you know you go,you go to pay and um, you know
it doesn't work and you go.
Oh, I'm really sorry, love, mybank's blocked me because my
palm spent too much on GPUs lastmonth.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Right, it's one of those things it's like a really
cool idea but just based on theway information is handled and
gets lost and it's just like Ican't trust what they're going
to do with my internal, I don'tknow, it's just it, my internal,
like I don't know, it's just,it's creepy, I don't like it,

(28:36):
it's scary, but it's really coolat the same time it is pretty,
it is pretty cool, you know yeahI was originally not going to
use apple pay like theirwireless tap to pay, but
honestly, it's just.
It's so incredibly convenient.
And what really got me therewas when I came to visit you,
because in the uk it's like tapto pay everywhere yeah, and so

(28:58):
that's what really got me on thekick to to use it, because
originally I was still justhanding my card out, uh.
And then, ever since I came tovisit you, I was like, oh, I'm
just gonna tap to pay everything.
This is amazing.
It's so fast and convenient.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Don't have to carry a wallet anymore I'm looking
forward to when I can come andvisit you and see your home lab.
That would be great.
So what are you kind of runningin the home lab at the moment?
Anything interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Honestly, I don't think so, or personally I don't
think.
Maybe it's interesting, but I'malso using it every day, right?
Obviously, I have like threeUnraid servers right now.
One is my primary server thatwe do everything with.
We have a backup that's almosta clone of the primary one, and

(29:46):
then I have a test one, pnas, asyou're familiar with.
And then this is the newest one.
It's called ANAS and it'sactually one of the oldest
servers I've ever owned Since2010, I think, I've had this
thing, and it was back when Iwas mining Bitcoin and hosting

(30:07):
Bitcoin nodes and things likethat.
That used to be a Bitcoin nodeto help the network transactions
and all that stuff, right, andso I was thinking, like you know
, what can I do with this thing?
And so I decided that I'm gonnareuse it for a future video I
plan on doing and it's runningunraid, of course, because it's

(30:31):
just so simple.
You just plug in your us USBdrive and then boom, you know,
you have your Unraid on it.
You set up containers orwhatever, whatever you want to
do, right?
It's just quick and easy, andalso Unraid, like runs on
everything, yeah, so, and thisthing is so old, I think the
newest operating system I canget on there is CentOS 7 with
ease.
The newest operating system Ican get on there easily.

(30:51):
It's like CentOS 7.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
So Sorry, go on.
I was going to say what Ibought recently.
Well, I'll say recently it wasprobably.
I wouldn't be surprised if itwas about a year ago.
Now I've been planning on doingthis for a little while.
I bought the first AMD 64-bitchip, a motherboard, and I think
I managed to get 4 gigs of RAM.
It's pretty hard to get a lotof RAM to go in these old, I

(31:15):
think it was like 2005,something like that.
it came out around that timeBecause I really want to see if
I can run the latest Unraid onthe first ever 64-bit CPU.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
That would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
That's a little project that I've kind of got on
the back burner.
I keep meaning to kind of grabthe parts out and try it and see
yeah that would be really cool.
Will it run?
It'd be quite interesting.
So put it in the comments, guys.
If you want to see me do that,I will do it.
If enough of you say thatsounds good, or if you think it
sounds really stupid, then tellme as well, and I won't do it.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
As soon as this video gets posted, I'm gonna go
comment on there and say, yes, Iwant to see this.
I like old tech is it's sointeresting to run these days
because the it's not that thephilosophy has changed, but,
like the hardware has changed alot, um over the years, and so,
like, like this thing, I'msurprised at how responsive and
quick it is, even though it'slike 15 years old.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
And that's mostly because Unraid is so lightweight
.
But you know, I didn'tappreciate it at the time
because it ran Windows.
It was a Windows server of allservers, which is the worst
thing Like at the time I waslike, oh my gosh, this thing is
so slow and just unresponsive.
But with unraid on there it'sactually.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
It's quite snappy yeah, yeah, yeah, I think unraid
runs in like 400 megs of ramyeah, I don't something small?
Yeah, it's pretty.
It's pretty small, so I've beenmessing around.
Have you ever heard ofsomething called Bezel?

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Bezel.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
It's a self-hosted monitoring system.
Someone on my YouTube they said, ed, you need to try out Bezel
Bezel.
I thought, oh, I'll try thatout.
It's pretty cool.
It's a lightweight, reallysimple monitoring system.
You have a client and a host.
You can install them both onthe same server.
I actually beat you with theamount of Unraid servers.

(33:18):
I think I've got seven or eight, three Proxmox servers and a
TrueNAS server currently.
Wow, too many.
I don't really know why Some ofthem don't get switched on.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
It's an addiction.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It is.
Yeah, bezel, know, really worthchecking.
Checking out.
Um gives you a nice kind ofdashboard of all of your
different servers and you cansee the stats of what's
happening yeah, I'm looking atlike a screenshot of the
dashboard now.
This is pretty clean yeah, andit's super easy to set up.
You just have um, you get likea key on the client and you put

(33:56):
that into the server, give it um, tell it what the ip address is
.
And I haven't tried it yet, butI'm pretty sure it'd work over
tail scale, so you couldliterally kind of monitor friend
servers and all sorts of thingsas well, which would be all
right, hear me out.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I don't know how you feel about unread connect, but
what if unraid Connect was ableto provide a dashboard like this
?
Would you use it?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, One thing I would really like with Unraid
Connect is I would like to beable to have friends be able to
share their server and I couldhave it in my Unraid Connect
dashboard.
Oh man.
I've got various friends whodon't know much about their
server and I could have it in myunread connect dashboard.
Oh man, I've got variousfriends who don't know much
about their server and justagree to be able to say ring up
my friend and go hey, rob, yourhard drive is like almost full,

(34:42):
you're going to need to putanother drive in there.
Man, you know things like that,rather than them ring me up and
say their whole server's notworking because their cash
drive's like totally full andthis, that and the other that
because it would be kind of neatif they treated like us as
tenants, right, and so you canlink multiple tenant accounts
together.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
So then you could also apply our back uh,
role-based access or whateverwhatever it's our back is like
and didn't have different roles,and so you know, you would be
able to touch other people's orlook at other people's systems
or other people's penises andthen be able to monitor them and
understand, like, how they'rerunning.

(35:22):
But also you could assignmultiple.
Yeah, I think that.
Yeah, that's a pretty good ideayou got going on there.
If they could somehow make itmore, I'm going to say
enterprise like, but that's notreally what I mean, but like
kind of goes like enterpriselike features.
Maybe that's something theycould like look at doing in the
future yeah, you know, you knowlike unread, because like unread

(35:43):
for business would be reallycool if they can get to that
point because I'm gonna have tocough, because I don't know
where the mute button is.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I think it will cut my microphone off if I press it,
and I'm too scared to do that.
I've been.
I've been wanting to coughraiders, so that's got that out
of the way you've done a goodjob holding it in so, um, what's
your opinion on?
um?
I know I'm kind of swappingaround because I'm just thinking
of unraid, yeah, the unraidroadmap, and, like you know,
obviously I've got a bit of aninside scoop on some things on
the unraid roadmap and I, youknow, obviously I've got a bit

(36:14):
of an inside scoop on somethings on the unraid roadmap and
I'm sure no one will mind mesaying that we're going to be
upgrading to a newer kernel soon, which will be um kernel 6.12.
Okay, um, that being the lastkernel that will actually read
riser fs disks, as it wasactually stripped out in 613.
But 612, I believe, is thelatest um lts kernel.

(36:37):
But I am kind of getting to.
What I want to say, kind of, isthat will have um full support
for intel battle mage gpus, andI wondered what your opinion is
on um intel cpus.
I've not actually used themexcept iGPUs.
Have you ever used them for,like you know?
You know what they like forgaming and things like that

(36:58):
Because their, their price isreally good, isn't it?
Oh, you mean the Intel?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
GPU.
Oh sorry yeah, Intel.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
GPUs like their, their new ones, Battle Mage, I
think, said the latest onesfunds.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, you're right, the.
The last time I looked attrying to actually buy one, I
could not find anywhere to buyone because they were either
sold out or like it was sketchy,um, but it looks like you know,
for I think it's like 250 usdollars.
You could still get 60 fps at1440p, if I'm remembering
correctly.
It depends on the game and thesettings, but generally, you
know 1440p max settings you canstill hit around 60 FPS and

(37:41):
that's for $250,.
That's not a bad deal, I don'tthink.
I think that's great.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
How much are the?
What do you call it, the AMD?
I think it's the 7800.
They're about $400, aren't they?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I don't know.
Off the top of my head.
I'm still looking at the.
I'm trying to find a B580 forsale right now.
Yeah, so I'm on.
Locally it's sold out.
I can't even buy a B580 if Iwanted to, and it's $250.
And would you say 7800X?
Yeah, 7800XT.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I think the reason I'm asking about that one is, I
believe it's pretty much theidentical GPU that's in the PS5.
Oh really, I didn't know thatI'd just be interested to know
how much that is.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
So you can get one from XFX for 300.
Oh, sorry, that's a.
That's the wrong one.
I can't get one of those Notfor sale.
I'll check Amazon.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Oh yeah.
Will it be real?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Probably not.
This looks pretty legitimate.
It's about $520 from XFX.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, so it's probably about 450 pounds.
Yeah, so it's about $520 fromXFX.
Yeah, so it's probably about£450.
Yeah, so it's quite a lot morethan the Intel GPUs.
The Intel GPUs seem reallycompetitively priced.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, I think they look competitively priced.
For me, I should actually startdoing research now because my
kid has a laptop with a 6700mobile CPU and a 1060 mobile GPU
in it and I mean that's, that'sso old and it's starting to

(39:26):
finally show that show its ageas he's starting to play more
graphically demanding games ageas he's starting to play more
graphically demanding games.
And so I should probably lookat one of these intel like
seriously, look at one of theseintel cpus, because it would be
a really easy way to save somesome real money and get him
something more modern.
But also, I mean he's like he'seight right, he doesn't need

(39:47):
something crazy.
So I should look at that.
I think I'm gonna look at that.
I'm glad you brought that upyeah, you with laptop GPUs.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
My brother's like been speaking to me this morning
actually before we got on,saying, oh, I want to get a new
laptop.
I've seen this new Razer laptopthat's got a 4090 in it.
I'm trying to explain to himit's not a 4090.
It's probably running off 120watts, so you know it might say,

(40:16):
say 4090, but it's never goingto have the 4090 performance and
it's like this laptop's about 3000 pounds, which is like 4 000
us or me.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
You know I'm saying that, just don't do it yeah, we,
I kind of so I have the gaminglaptop, um, but it was, it was
so at the time it was like justso cheap and it wasn't.
It wasn't even for me rightlike we, just we just had it um.
But I've been, I'm like a verystaunch do not buy gaming
laptops person.
Everyone I know that has endedup buying one has severely

(40:45):
regretted it, because theyeither die early due to heat,
they don't get anywhere near theperformance they want, you
literally can't have themunplugged from the wall because
they die within minutes, even ifyou're not gaming like, if
you're just generally browsing.
And you know it kind of goesback to what we were talking
about earlier with silicon.
You know, like when I have alaptop, I want to be mobile

(41:07):
first, I want to have goodbattery life first, and a gaming
laptop does none of thosethings well at all that I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
100% agree.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Like you know sorry everyone we keep talking about
Apple laptops, but I was shockedI could play a game on it when
I first saw it.
You know I had Apple stuffyears ago.
I probably kind of pivoted awayfrom Apple in about 2018.
Stuff, years ago, I probablykind of pivoted away from apple
in about 2018 and, um, I wasshocked when I came back to it

(41:39):
how good the apple silicon is,that I could actually play one
of my kind of favorite littlegames I like playing it's not
super graphically intensive isstray.
I'm not sure if you ever playedit it's the cat game, right, I
haven't played it.
I kind of like that.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
It's quite quite relaxing so you tech people do
like cats.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
So yeah, I was shocked it would actually play a
game and it didn't get too hotand the battery didn't run out
after 20 minutes of playing it.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I don't know if I told you this or we've talked
about this before, but when Iwas coming to visit you, I
actually had an M2.
No, I'm sorry, sorry, an m1 pro, and I played this very old
game now called rome total war,and I played the entire flight
from atlanta, no detroit, to oneof your major airports, the

(42:30):
name I can't recall london no,not london it's like the actual
airport name oh, heathrow yeahyeah, we flew there and I played
the entire time.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Now, granted, I did have an external battery uh
connected to it as well, butstill, like between the onboard
battery and the external batteryI had, I played the entire
flight, the entire flight, andit was great well, at least, um,
you know I haven't played therome total war, but I'm saying
at least like when you're flyingyou couldn't be playing online

(43:03):
and getting like wiped out, yeah, by other players, so you
probably had quite a good timeplaying it.
I did.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
It was great.
I mean I it was.
It's compact enough, it doesn'tgenerate a lot of heat, so so I
was comfortable.
You know, like the screen isbright and colorful, I mean it,
just it, just it was a overalllike a great gaming experience,
even though that's not what thelaptop is for.
But I don't know what else todo with 12 hours of my life
while sitting on a plane, notbeing able to move or do
anything, so it seemed like theright call.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Where do you, stephano, get your hard drives
and things from?
Um over in the states?
You know, when you buy a harddrive do you ever buy like
refurbished you got any kind offavorite stores.
What kind of things do you get?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I, I, I just so.
So normally I just get my myhard drives from best buy, um,
so they sell these, uh, easystore external, um, yeah,
external drives that you can buyand they come in like all.
I think you can get up to 20terabytes now and they're very
expensive usually, but for somereason best buy does these like

(44:03):
crazy sales where you can getthem insanely cheap.
So I've just been buying thosedrives because they're basically
enterprise drives that aremaybe missing some features.
But for what?
I use hard drives?
For?
Just mass storage, like I don'treally care about what features
they have, so long as they'relike cmr and so long as they

(44:24):
work right, and even if I avoidthe warranty by removing from
them, removing them from theshells, because I get them so
cheap, as long as they last likefive to six years, they're easy
and cheap to replace and Idon't have to worry about not
being able to exchange themwarranty wise, right.
But recently enough, funnily,I've actually been looking at

(44:45):
buying refurbished drives, uh,from like server part deals or
online, but then, right as I hadmade the decision to go buy new
drives, it's like we they'reseagate.
There's like all these likefake hard drives or, uh, maybe
not counterfeit hard drives likepopping up in the use market
and I'm like, oh whoa, I waslooking at buying seagate and

(45:08):
now I don't know if I can trustit yeah, yeah, exactly like,
like they're selling hard drivesfor new and they've got
hundreds or even thousands ofhours on, apparently some of
them.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
As well, like you know, with the, with the Best
Buy thing that you were sayingabout, you know, shucking the
drives.
I've got a question to ask youabout that.
Do you still have to kind oflike do the thing to the pins on
the hard drives when you shocka drive?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
oh yeah, you're talking about a 3.3 volt issue.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, you still have to do that, or is that not a
thing anymore?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I I think it still is a thing.
But I haven't run into anyproblems with the hardware.
I have everything I I haveseems to support the the pins in
their default configuration soI don't have to put captain tape
or electrical tape whateverthey call it uh over the pins or
remove the pen.
So I've been very lucky.
But that is definitely apotential problem, uh, for some

(45:59):
people like if I guess ifthey're using like really old
power supplies maybe yeah, youknow what I was going to say
about the kind of best buydrives.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
We have like um, um, an electronic store I think it's
called curry's over here andother places um, I'm not sure
which stores it is, but I haveheard that people have like shut
drives and then they've putlike a one terabyte in and
they've taken it back to thestore, said, oh actually, I, you
know, I kind of don't want thisanymore.
And then they put back on theshelf.
So then some poor sucker goesand thinks they're getting a 20

(46:30):
terabyte external drive and it'sgot like a kind of eight year
old one terabyte drive insideyeah, that's actually happens
over for you guys as well, ornot?

Speaker 1 (46:40):
yeah, that's a very real problem and and that's
actually what kind of waspushing me to start looking at
buying refurbished drives.
And I the internet's pretty bigabout or at least in the United
States, about buyingrefurbished from
serveropartsdealscom orsomething like that, but Best
Buy.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I feel like I'm about to shill so hard right now
they're not paying me to saythis Is Best Buy, just an
electronics store, or is it kindof like Walmart and does
everything?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
It's mainly electronics.
They sell other things in there, like plushyy toys and, I think
, legos now too, so they're kindof branching out.
It's mainly focused on consumerelectronics.
They sell, like you know,kitchen equipment and things I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, yeah, sounds very much like our carries over
here.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, probably, but anyway.
So, like I was looking atbuying refurbished drives cause
I was fearful of that.
And again, best Buy is not likepaying me to say this or I'm
not affiliated with them oranything like that, but they,
they have a pretty good returnpolicy, like um.
So if I did ever run asituation where I shucked a
drive and it, oh, turns out thatit has like a one terabyte

(47:50):
drive and I try to buy a 20terabyte version, that it has
like a one terabyte drive and Itry to buy a 20 terabyte version
, honestly, anytime I everreturn anything, they're just
like they look at it and they'relike, yeah, it looks like the
thing that is on the pictured onthe box and they just return it
, and so it's very simple.
So I'm not actually too worriedabout getting scammed with Best
Buy or, yeah, getting scammedbuying things from Best Buy

(48:11):
because they have a pretty goodreturn policy or exchange policy
too.
So it's not too big of a deal,but a lot different when you're
buying online.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, yeah, buying online Like I know somebody who
kind of bought some NVMe drivesoff Amazon.
This is probably 18 months ago,oh, okay.
It's quite a long time ago nowBought some NVMes.
They came through they were acompany, they bought them, they
needed x amount and they openedthem and inside there was just a

(48:40):
piece of cardboard.
So what had happened is, um,they were just fake and
obviously they'd made the boxweigh exactly the same amount as
what an nvme would.
And they wrote.
They wrote, amazon sent themback and amazon sent them some
more and they were exactly thesame.
So I said to them I said like,before you open the next lot,
you need the video opening them,because they're not going to
believe you saying, oh, there'sanother load of empty boxes, but

(49:03):
the serial number is the sameon all of them.
And you know, I've actually gotthat video somewhere of them
opening it.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
It's kind of scary that we have to do that these
days, like record ourselves,opening the whole process.
It's like it shouldn't be likethis at all.
Count like counterfeit.
Things are becoming a very bigissue, and you know speaking of
which.
So USB drives, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Oh man, I wish I had it.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Give me, give me one second.
You could talk aboutcounterfeit USB or USB problems.
Real quick, I'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah, so there's a big problem with counterfeit USB
drives on Amazon.
There's a lot of counterfeitones coming out of China.
They're being sold by oftenthird-party sellers.
Maybe even Amazon themselvesget caught by it sometimes and
you might get counterfeitSanDisk sold from Amazon
directly.
Like I said, these nvmes werefrom amazon direct.

(49:54):
So obviously, obviously withthose like someone like hey boss
, I've got a real great deal onthis palette of nvmes, thinking
like, and then you know, youknow it was like all all the
hero for a day, until later onhis boss goes.
You know that real good valuepalette of NVMEs, they were all
fake.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
That's terrible.
Yeah, the SanDisk.
I tend to stay away fromSanDisk now because so many
times they don't have a propergrid on it, so no proper grid.
They won't work with their ownRAID server, right, and you know
I'm finding it.
It's these I'm not sure aboutyourself, stefano these kind of
like triple packs of um reallycheap, like three in a pack for

(50:42):
like kind of 9.99.
You know, I think it seems very, very cheap, but um, a lot of
times apparently they just kindof like clone the firmware and
it has the same grid or no gridat all.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I also heard as well I think that I think about 2018,
they did actually change onsome of their drives the actual
controller they use.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I can't really speak to too much that because, like I
, the most newest USB drive Ibought was from Samsung because
I actually switched brands aswell away from SanDisk.
So today I still buy.
Like if I had to buy one Iwould look at Transcend or
Samsung.
But I think Samsung may havesimilar issues with cloned UUIDs

(51:27):
and such.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah, I found Samsung really good.
I will always buy Samsung.
They're a little bit moreexpensive, yeah, they are.
It's like 25 bucks, but Ialways get the solid metal ones
the good.
I will always buy Samsung.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
They're a little bit more expensive?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah they are, it's like 25 bucks.
But I always get the solidmetal ones, the bars.
I love those because I justdon't think they're
counterfeited so much.
You know it's the cheaper onesand more well-known ones.
I think they're counterfeited.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
But my, my SanDisk like, so you know, this SanDisk
one, I probably won't be able toget the focus on camera, but
it's completely fallen apart,Right, but it's also 15 years
old and it still works great,Because at one point SanDisk was
the go to brand.
Yeah, and they made really goodUSB devices, SD cards, but you

(52:07):
can't trust them anymore.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Whatever they did is bad.
Did they get bought by someoneonce Because didn't they used to
have really good SSD harddrives?
And then they got bought bysomeone?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Did they get bought by Western Digital?
I think they did.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Western Digital buys?
Yeah, I think they did.
They auto-completed for me thatwould make sense why they've
gone down In 2016.
So that kind of makes sense,Cause I think around 2016 is
when I decided to not buyWestern digital I'm sorry a
SanDisk anymore either.

(52:43):
And what I think I changed myfocus.
I don't want to say it wasbecause of that.
I think I was changing my focusto buying from brands that
directly made their own flashmedia like.
So intel used to have reallygood flash storage on their ssds
back then, and so I was verycareful about who was buying

(53:04):
flash storage from, and I wantto say that's what made me
switch away from sandisk tosamsung and trans.
I don't think Transcend makestheir own flash, but I switched
to them anyway.
But yeah, oh and okay.
So I got to show you thisSpeaking of cloned UUIDs and
stuff.
So and you know how we'retrying to find USB devices that
you can install Unraid on.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
So this allows you to install an M-SATA.
It is huge.
It allows you to install anM-SATA.
It is huge.
It allows you to install anM-SATA SSD on here so you can
install Unraid on it.
But it shows up as a USB device, so you can.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
So the actual device has a grid itself, and then you
can swap out the drive on it.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, so if this dies , you can just buy another one.
So I actually have two here.
I'll open this.
A live unboxing, right that'scalled.
Another one, so I have, Iactually have two here.
I'll open this.
A live unboxing, right that'scalled.
I have it labeled.
Oh it's.
I think it's called B listed,which is blacklisted, right?

(54:06):
So anyway, here's both of them.
So if, if this dies, you canjust take your M SATA device and
put in a new one and you knowwhatever it should be good to go
.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
The problem is, I guess, and vice versa too.
So if the drive dies, you canput another one in and you don't
have to re-register your flashdrive, because it's got the same
GUID from the controller.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Right, exactly.
The problem is both of thesedevices have the same UUID.
So because I've already usedthis one, this one's now
blacklisted and I own six ofthese and every single one of
them has the same UID.
I actually made I think I madea video about it and because

(54:47):
somebody had posted on theforums, I believe they're like
hey, you know this, these thingswork great.
And, um, you know, it's a greatway to not have to buy SanDisk
anymore and you can use M SedaSSDs that are also fairly
inexpensive.
And I was like, oh yeah, that'scool.
And then I bought one that wasalready blacklisted and I was

(55:09):
like that's strange.
So I hit up unread support andI was, hey, my thing is
blacklisted.
You know, can you help me?
So they, so they were able tohelp me, you know, get around
the blacklist.
And then, um, I don't, I don'tremember what happened, but for
some reason or another, it turnsout when I I got my second one,
it too was also blacklisted,and so I looked at the uids.

(55:30):
It sent me down this hugerabbit hole.
But, you know, it's just likeeverything just feels so cheaply
made and like, how much moneyare they possibly saving by just
, you know, cloning these versusgiving them unique UIDs.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
It can't be that much .

Speaker 2 (55:48):
No, but you know, it's the old saying, isn't it?
You know, if you can save adollar on manufacturing I know
it wouldn't be a dollar for that, but if you can save a dollar
on manufacturing and you sell 50million units, you've just
saved $50 million.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I guess that's true, but now I'm telling everybody do
not buy from this brand.
Yeah, that's good to know, donot buy anything from this brand
.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I think, if people want it, I think that on the
uncast channel we should do avideo of actually testing a
bunch of flash drives.
Again, I did a video on myspace invader one channel years
ago.
I can't remember how many itwas, I think it was about 100
drives.
I just basically tested them,reading and writing constantly
until they died, to see whichones died, and the winner was
the samsung bars in that test.
So I'll be interesting to seehow things have changed and what

(56:39):
other um, what other flashdrives will be good.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I think that would be good to do like you could do it
like yearly, right, becausethey're constantly releasing new
versions of of these things andthat's something like every
year.
We're like, okay, we're gonnatake a look at, you know, last
year's best drive, see how itcompares if it's even still
available, right and see how itcompares to something newer.
I think that'd be a great ideaand that way like if it's

(57:04):
constantly kept up to date, then, uh, as new people join the
unread community like they'llhave a much better time finding
new available information versusfinding forum posts from
forever ago.
It's like, yeah, sandisk, buySandisk.
So I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, let us know guys.
There's no live chat today, butput it in the comments below.
If you want that video, we willdo it.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
And we definitely read the comments.
I know I've gone back andlooked at comments.
I know you've gone back andlooked at comments, so it's very
important that you guysdefinitely comment, let us know
and you know we want, we wantthe show, uh, to grow with you
and for you and you know.
So any input that you give us,you know we'll definitely

(57:51):
evaluate that and you know we'llgrow together.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
I really want you guys to be part of the show.
You know this isn't just stephand I talking.
We're really looking forward toeveryone joining in and, like
you know, yeah, we we want tohave it like a, a nice place.
We can all chill out and chatand um chat about unraid, chat
about, you know, self-hosting,open source.
Anyway, I don't want to beoutdone by Stefano in showing

(58:14):
some hardware.
So I've actually got somehardware to show as well, if I
can find it.
So what do you reckon this is,stefano?
It looks like a hard drive.
It does, but it opens up, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Sorry, camera SSD.
Okay, it's now a three and ahalf inch.
Nice I drive.
I thought these were reallycool.
Um, I got given them by afriend of mine.
Um, he lives up in london.
He gave me about 10 of these,um, yeah, and I think they're

(58:59):
really awesome.
You know, yeah, you can, youknow you can kind of put them in
like this, yeah, into a normaltray that's, but that's way
worse, though it's like clunkybut this just looks nice,
doesn't it?

Speaker 1 (59:12):
yeah, and it just, it just slides in and then you're
done, it's tool-less I reallylike it, so that almost reminds
me of uh.
So are you familiar withwestern digital velociraptor
drives?
they're very old now they'relike maybe 15, when they like 10
, 15 000 rpm drives yeah,exactly exactly, and they were
tiny, the uh those used to comewith adapters that look like

(59:37):
giant heat sinks and thathonestly kind of, because you
just you slot them in there andyeah, you can tool them down, uh
too right, like so that waythey don't move, but you just
slide them in there and youslide it in a three and a
quarter inch bay and it justfits perfectly.
And that's what that remindsyou of.
That's a really neat thing tohave Adapter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I thought it was pretty cool.
I saw some 3D print that justwedge it in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, I think I'd rather have that was from
StarTech.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Um yep StarTech they are looking into that.
I think they're quite expensivethey're in between 20 and $30
each but I was lucky.
I got these free.
Yeah, Um, I mean, it's notterrible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I think a lot of adapters are fairly expensive
these days.
It's not terrible, but becauseI do, I have been thinking about
I have all of my bays are threeto three and a quarter inch for
drives Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
And so there's not really an easy or goods or what
I would consider a good solutionfor putting in 2.5 inch drives.
So I'm going to look intosomething like that.
Maybe I'll do something withssds in the future yeah, yes,
yeah, a nice little device, Ithink yeah, so you know what.
you know what?
Speaking of devices, um,something that should exist that

(01:01:00):
doesn't exist, right?
So I don't know about your homesetup, but I have my streaming
and gaming pc in front of me andalso my Mac, and I have to
switch between devices with likea USB switch.
Right?
Did you notice that there's noUSB switch that just gives you
like one video in and one videoout and more than like two USB

(01:01:27):
ports?
Like I'm talking like I want atleast six USB type A ports?
Right, because I haveheadphones, microphone, keyboard
, mouse, camera, and so two USBports isn't enough.
But nobody makes a KVM switchthat has more than like two USB

(01:01:47):
ports.
They give you USB-C and a lotof other options.
It's like I don't want to put ahub on my adapter, on my KVM
switch.
Like can you just give me moreUSB ports?
But all the KVM manufacturersare so focused on giving you
like 10,000 outputs so you canhave 30,000 monitors attached to
your like two computers.

(01:02:07):
It's like I don like who wantsthat?
There's no way there's that manypeople out there that want four
screens coming out of their oneKVM switch.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Another thing I find I've never found one of these is
we've all seen USB switches.
You can share USB devices, notlike a full KVM with a screen,
but have you ever seen athunderbolt switch?
No, not yet.
So I can have a thunderbolt,you know, share a thunderbolt
things with two differentcomputers and switch it over.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I would love that yeah, you can only get that in
usbc and then the usbc ones areand, I would argue, are not good
because they try to.
they try to give you extrafeatures that you that I
personally don't want.
Someone may want them, but like, why can't I just get a USB
switch, a Thunderbolt,preferably one that's
Thunderbolt four or well,thunderbolt really, that also

(01:03:00):
has a USB hub built into it, andnot with just one or two USB
type a ports, but it one with atleast four, ideally six, also
has USB Type-C or Thunderbolt onit as well.
Why doesn't that exist?
I know it would be expensive,but there's definitely a market
for it, because if you look atdocks, they're like $500, $600,

(01:03:22):
and people buy those up likecandy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Sorry, I'm a little tired.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I'm a little upset about it.
Don't worry, I I feel your pain, stephanie, I do feel your pain
, man, thank you.
There's nothing, nothing worsethan you know, knowing a good
product, and it doesn't evenexist.
You know, yeah, you know, it'snot as bad as if you kind of go
to bed and you dreamt that youhad one and then you woke up and
found that you didn't, and thenyou couldn't even buy one.
That would be more sad it'salmost.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
That's equally as bad as dreaming that you've wrecked
your wxsti and your dreams oh,I've got one of my lights
deciding to flash.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I'm gonna have to turn it off.
Everyone, this one, so I'm verysorry.
Well, hopefully everyone canstill see me with that light off
yep, you look the same.
No changes from my end I don'tlook more young and handsome oh,
you've always looked young andhandsome to me anyways, um
switching from kind of hardwareand stuff let's talk of kind of

(01:04:23):
like a container showdown kindof thing.
Yeah, okay yeah, yep let'sthink of like plex and jellyfin,
right.
What do you think the pros andcons of each are in your opinion
?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
so I actually I actually just recently switched
from plex to jellyfin and I maynot be the best source of
information, but after havingboth recently, I can tell you
that I think I prefer plex's.
Ability to identify videos andpair them with thumbnails is

(01:04:57):
significantly better.
Um, also, I really like howplex like if you want to turn
subtitles on it's.
It's more intuitive and itseems to remember?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
is it only intuitive because you're used to plex?
Yeah, okay, I guess that's fairplex would then it be.
You know, jellyfin would bemore intuitive because you're
used to it well, maybe, but soI'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
I'll tell you why I say this right here in a second.
So I think plex is moreintuitive with with their uh
subtitles.
So I switched to switch to plex.
Not for any reason inparticular, I'm sorry.
I switched to jellyfin not forany reason in particular, but
mostly because it's kind of thenew rave and I wanted to check
and see what it was all about.
Honestly, it's quick, it's easy, it's just it's it works right

(01:05:44):
out of the box, no issues,issues, and I was, and I really
really enjoyed that, thatcomponent.
But with the subtitles,sometimes it forgets that I
don't want subtitles on and sowhen I go to watch something
else, it'll just turn thesubtitles on and I'm like, why
are you doing this?

(01:06:04):
So I'm on Apple, I'm on AppleTV, so it's a little different.
You have to like swipe, so it'skind of hard to get to where to
disable the comments andsometimes it says the comments
are enabled or I'm sorry, I keepsaying comments.
Sometimes it says the subtitlesare enabled, but it's not
showing subtitles.

(01:06:24):
So I don't know why it doesthat.
It's just really weird.
I I think I like jellyfin moreso overall, than plex, um, just
from a standpoint of it's easierto set up it.
Passing through hardware to itis way easier and, um, I don't

(01:06:44):
know, I just I like theinterface.
It's a lot less cluttered.
I don't know, I like it there.
Oh yeah, also I don't uh.
So I just I like the interface.
It's a lot less cluttered.
I don't know I like it there.
Oh yeah, also I don't.
Uh, so part of the reason why Iswitched from Plex is cause I
think Plex, like, will sharewhat they know about you to
other people and I, I don't wantthat.
I just.
I just want like a basicapplication.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, exactly Like you know, Plex has some great.
You know I'm not a Plex user.
I've never used Plex forprobably longer than a week or
two.
I've always been an MB user andJellyfin is a fork of MB and I
basically currently run an MBserver and a Plex server.
Plex has some nice features.

(01:07:26):
I remember during COVID it hadthe feature where you can share
watching a movie with someoneelse at the same time, and there
was nothing like that on MB.
I think Jellyfin have addedthat now and they added it
shortly after.
That's really nice.
I've always kind of thoughtPlex has all the features.
But the good thing aboutJellyfin, I guess, is it doesn't

(01:07:47):
shake you down for asubscription.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Yeah, and so I don't know if this is true.
But if you want hardwareacceleration with Plex, you have
to have their license.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
You have to have their Plex pass.
Yeah, okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Which you know.
So I was, I want to say I wasabout to finally buy a lifetime
license with Plex and then I waslike Well, I don't really like
that you're scraping my data forwhatever reason, and also I
appreciate that you're trying togive me free TV, but I just
don't want it.
I don't think you can disableit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I really hate that how it's got their own kind of
shows and things on there.
I do remote support sessionsfor people and I see Plex and I
think, oh, I would just reallynot like that.
I only want my own things.
It annoys me enough on mynvidia shield where two-thirds
of the screen on sort of themodern updates now on it are
just kind of like adverts forlike disney plus and kind of

(01:08:40):
like nvidia, kind of like youknow, game this, that and the
other, and you know used to belike the screen real estate was
yours and then more and moreupdates.
On the nvidia shield it seemslike there's more and more, more
and more things are adverts forlike netflix and um, oh.
And I'll tell you another thingI don't know if you ever had an

(01:09:00):
nvidia shield and you otherguys out there.
I don't use netflix on mynvidia shield.
Damn, it's got a button on theremote control and um, so many
times I'll be lying in bedwatching a show with vanessa and
I've got the controller next tome there and I will just knock
onto it and the only button I'llever knock is the netflix

(01:09:22):
button.
And then next and it has thatsilly tune saying do you want to
sign up?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Okay, really, really is one of my bugbears.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I have to bring this up because it's also about
remotes for Apple TV.
I wish I had mine right with meright now.
I kind of want to run and grabit, but it's fine.
So let's pretend that this isthe Apple TV remote and all your
buttons are here.
It's perfect, right?
Well, for some stupid reason,where you would naturally grab

(01:09:54):
the remote, like this or likethis, they have a button on the
side of the remote that is likeI guess it's like their Siri
button, which I've just alwaysdisabled for the last 10 years.
And every time I go to pick upthe remote or like I lean on it
or whatever, it activates and itjust totally breaks whatever

(01:10:14):
you're watching or doing.
And it's like why did they dothis?
Why?
And apple?
Just, they have the most insaneengineering, sometimes like
with their mouse, how you haveto flip it upside down to charge
it.
Why, why?
In 2025?
Why don't you just make itwirelessly charge?
Why?
Everything else you havewirelessly charges.

(01:10:36):
And we're back on apple.
Stop it, ed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
You keep doing this we need to come away from the
dark side and go back into thelight okay, well, so back to
plex, right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
yeah, I know, I think I completely agree with you and
mb.
I think the reason why it nevercaught on for me was I just
didn't like the ui.
It was a little clunky.
Um, it has great features.
Like um, it has great features.
Uh, there's one that windowsused to have, like dlna or
something like that, or maybe itwas on a windows feature, I
think it was dlna.
Like dlna is great.

(01:11:07):
It makes streaming to anythingsuper simple but again, I've
never had a need to use thatpersonally yeah, I can see why
you know a lot of people wouldlike it yeah, I would say it's a
very niche, like like anyreason you can come up with a
very niche, but anyway, it wasjust.
It's just always been kind ofclunky.
Uh, from my experience but Ihaven't used it in like 10 years

(01:11:28):
so it's probably changed a lotsince then but jellyfin is is
right now.
It's almost perfect.
It's very clean, yeah, verysimple.
Uh, I need some work withthumbnails, but aside from that,
I have absolutely zerocomplaints yeah, I think it's
absolutely awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
You know, I do love jellyfin.
Yeah, didn't fully switch tojellyfin because I share my mb
server with my sister and Ireally just you're gonna laugh.
She lives three hours away tome.
That's like.
That's like going to the moonand back.
You know, like I know you guysin the states, you know you'll
drive three hours to go to a bar.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Yeah, true I mean like you know everyday.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
That's the other side of the country for me, yeah,
and I think I really just can'tswitch to that to have to drive
to her house and install thejellyfin app for her, because
I'd rather drive to her houseand do that than try and talk to
her how to do it over the phoneyeah, yeah it would be quicker
to drive there and back and takethe six hours and get very
frustrated with her.

(01:12:26):
I'm very patient with non-familymembers when it comes to
helping with tech, but when it'skind of family members and I'm
trying to help them, for somereason my patience is very, very
short.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah, I think a lot of people are the same way.
I don't know what it is, it'sbecause they're family and you
can treat them however you wantright.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Well, I think let's move on to kind of the last
section of the podcast.
I reckon um, I want to chat abit about ai and um, your
thoughts on ai, stefano, and Idon't know if you've seen any of
the things in the news latelyabout lawyers and ai.
Have you heard anything aboutthat?

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yeah, and it's kind of scary.
I don't know how you could.
So, if I got information, if Iwas a lawyer, and I got
information from somebody elsewho claimed to be a lawyer, and
I mean there is a certain levelof trust when you're talking
from professional, professionalRight.
But I would still at least lookat the information given to me

(01:13:28):
and try to ensure it's accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Let's step back a minute because we know about it,
right.
Maybe the audience don't.
So, basically, guys, there havebeen various cases where
lawyers have gone into court andthey're citing cases that are
AI hallucinations, right.
So they're very lazy lawyers,yep of ai hallucinations, right,
so they're just.
They're very lazy lawyers, yep.
And they've kind of done alltheir research with ai.
And ai will never just like notanswer a question.

(01:13:55):
It will never say I'm reallysorry, I don't know that.
It will just like if it doesn'tknow it, it will just make it
up yeah, it fabricates andresults it's.
It's so weird but you know, canyou imagine, like, um, you know,
seeing in the court, like youknow, imagine explaining to to
the judge?
I'm sorry, your Honor, my AImade that up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Yeah, and that's what .
That's what that one guy did.
He's like, well, I didn't know,because it was the AI made it
up and it's like, but you didn'teven like try, and he tried to
pass it off as his own researchtoo, I think, or one of the
cases he tried to pass it off ashis own research and was like I
did all this and oh, turns outit was actually AI and it was

(01:14:36):
fake and I didn't do duediligence and make sure that the
information was correct beforepresenting it to a court case.
Like that's crazy.
To me that just doesn't makesense.
That's super lazy, like yousaid, that's that's super lazy,
like you said.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely Insane.
Have you had?
There's a company called Ithink it's called tele
performance or something andthey have now made what's called
an AI accent neutralizer?
I think this is really kind ofdystopian myself.
Yeah, what it is is they'vedesigned it for call centers

(01:15:12):
overseas, like in India, and sowhat the call centers do is they
use AI to neutralize accents.
Why do I feel this would justgo horribly wrong?
I don't know.
If I was Indian, I wouldprobably refuse to actually have
that change my voice.
I never have trouble reallyunderstanding different accents,

(01:15:34):
and I think it's you know,personally, I kind of think it's
quite bad.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Yeah, it's definitely interesting.
I don't know how I feel aboutit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
It's a bit kind of insulting, really, Like if
someone wanted to change myBritish accent to sound, you
know, like French or Spanish orsomething.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I would never change.
I appreciate you for who youare.
Thank you, even if you've beenunleashed, and I think I should
be leashed, but still yeah, Iwill.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
I will break any leash.
I'll chew through any leash youput on me.
I'll tell you me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
I'll tell you yeah, what, what?
What makes me more scared aboutthis technology is it's going
to land in the hands of spamcall centers not yeah support
centers, and so, inevitably,what's going to happen is now
these attacks are going to bemore sophisticated because of ai
you are so right, my god, Ididn't now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
You scared me, stephanie, because sorry the
amount of the amount of likethings like that I get through
like scam call centers kind ofpretending to be some company,
pretending to be my phonecompany, this, that and the
other.
Yeah, it will become more andmore difficult to um, especially
for you know old people, likeyou know our grandparents and
things you know yeah, becausethey didn't really grow well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
We didn't grow up with ai either, but we at least
were introduced at a youngenough age where we're pretty.
We're still experiencing it andseeing it evolve and you know
we can play with it as is.
But like you know when I'm, ifmy parents they have no interest
in technology at all, how arethey going to know this
technology exists, unless that?
But it's covered in the media,right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
yeah, yeah, it's crazy and you know like, you
know that's just voice and youknow there's things like was is
it called?
Sonar?
Um, I think so.
It's um open ai's like text tovideo creation software and um,
you know that's been released inthe uk recently.
I think you guys have had it inthe states for a while but it's
causing a bit of a stir overhere.

(01:17:30):
Yeah, various kind of lawsuits.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Yeah, and AI voice is actually getting to a point now
where it sounds it's verysmooth, they've had theirs.
Have you ever seen that moviecalled Her?
No, oh man.
So the premise of the movie isthere's this man who essentially
falls in love with his AIassistant, but the AI is it

(01:17:57):
talks like a normal human beingand like breathes, and takes
breaths in between, like I justdid, in between sentences or
words, and he asks he's like whydo you do that?
And she responds well, sothat's more natural and calming
and humans seem to appreciate itsubconsciously, or something
like that.
She says something to that toneand he's like well, stop doing

(01:18:19):
it, it's freaking me out.
Well, the AI systems now arealmost getting to that point and
I want to say, uh, google, tothat point.
And I want to say, uh, google,live their live gemini.
It'll take little pauses andbreaks when it's speaking and it
sounds really natural.
It's not quite perfect, butit's, it's starting to sound

(01:18:39):
really natural.
If you're hard of hearing or,uh, you know, over the phone,
where maybe the communication orthe signal is not as strong,
it'll totally pass 100.
I think it will totally pass asa person it's just incredible
really.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
I, I remember um, um, on one of my kind of early
8-bit computers I had a programI think it was called sam um
it's that side of speechsomething module, okay, yeah and
um, we had the computer lab atschool and I I hated the
computers in the computer lab.
I thought they were really bad,and so I said, can I bring my
own computer in?

(01:19:13):
They said yeah, and I remember,like you know, a few of us kind
of ran doing it and I did likegetting the computer to kind of
like and it sounded like thatand I thought it was like quite
amazing.
Yeah, I've got it.
Um, swearing the teacher's name, saying he's a complete and
utter Whilst.
He was out of the room, then hecame and walked into the room.
I was never allowed to bring mycomputer back to the computer

(01:19:34):
lab after.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I was just thinking the amount has changed in my
lifetime yeah, From when I was alittle boy to now.
It's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
I've always thought the robotic voices were
definitely more fun and cool,but the more human it gets.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Yeah, I think it definitely sounds better.
We all kind of like the oldsci-fi shows where the robots
exterminate.
It sounds more sinister thanjust someone that sounds like us
.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yeah, and there's also something about it not
being a natural voice.
That is comforting at the sametime, but it's almost like if
you're trying to fake being aperson.
It really makes it moreunnatural and more uncomfortable
, which is bizarre, because it'sthe same thing, but I don't

(01:20:28):
know, it's just it thing, but Idon't know, it's just, it's just
weird.
I don't like it.
It makes me feel weird.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Have you seen those AI things where um you can get,
you can give it like a photo ofyou know anyone yourself or
historical character?
Give it some text and then itwill animate the face and it
will speak the text.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Uh, yeah, I think so.
I think I've seen a lot ofpeople do that with, like mona
lisa it's crazy, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
you know, just like it's awesome.
One photograph it can calculatewhat it would look like as a
person speaking and it doestheir voice and you type in the
text.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
It's just the what's what's really wild is like we're
still in I would consider theinfancy of ai and so it's like
what, in 10 more years, was.
What is it gonna be like?

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
maybe unraid will replace you and I with ai models
and we'll have the sameconversations about new ai and
what I find really strange aboutkind of tech and things like
that is how quickly we get usedto things like yeah if I told
you kind of 10 years ago aboutthese kind of things, you go,
that's crazy, like that justsounds so amazing.

(01:21:33):
No way that will happen.
Suddenly we've got ai and it'slike, oh yeah, I know about that
, just no big deal, yeah.
And it's like, yeah, it is abloody big deal it is, it really
is but we just take it forgranted already, and and we've
only had it, what a few years.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
And I can actually attest to this because I was
pretty staunch anti-AI, in thesense that it's too new, we
don't know how they're using thedata that we're inputting into
it.
You shouldn't be using it.
You shouldn't be using it.
But have you used Google at all?
It's terrible.
Google search has absolutelygone.

(01:22:12):
It's, quite frankly, unusable,and I find ChatGPT, copilot are
really good search engines.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
And, yeah, they may not be accurate, but when they
are accurate, it's extremelyhelpful and if they're not
accurate, it can help you findthe information, indeed much
more quickly than a googlesearch can, and it's weird that
google is now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
it's just terrible, it's absolutely terrible I think
I think the biggest kind ofchallenge in ai at the moment is
security.
Oh yeah, um, I think, as I ashelp, if I could speak.
I think as ai models grow, umso does their basically their
attack vectors, don't they?
You know, there's more attacksurface as they grow.

(01:22:58):
I don't think anyone's anexpert in ai security yeah it's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
You know, we don't know enough about it to really
kind of like, um get a grasp onit and um and copilot is like
giving away windows licenses forfree now or helping people get
around windows is licensingstuff and that's their own
product.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
And if they can't figure out how to control their
own product like exactly, youknow, I don't know man, it's,
it's gonna be crazy yeah I'msure a lot of companies you know
they're gonna kind of run to aimuch too soon and they'll end
up leaking data to kind of likeother staff members.
I'm sure there's going to becompanies that are using copilot
and it's set up badly andsomeone will say, oh, um, tell

(01:23:44):
me about something, something,and like it will dive into some
data that's in like the kind ofmicrosoft tenants or something
yeah, yeah and it will pull likesomeone's pay information of
another staff member because,like you know, the information
hasn't been tagged properly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
And, um, well, that's actually a good point because I
think happening I think, fromwhat I'm seeing, the enterprise
industry, the enterprise world,is looking at their self-hosting
, their own AI instances totrain the AI on, you know, with
their systems.
And so I can imagine asituation where, so like today,
like as an admin, I don't havethe rights to look at people's

(01:24:24):
like pay or things or reallyanything like related to that
right, like healthcare oranything like that but AI will
be given access to thatinformation because it needs to
be trained to help HR, to helpall the other business people,
to help the admin, developers,whoever right.
So potentially there could be asituation where, you know, a

(01:24:45):
disgruntled employee is like,well, I want to know how much
so-and-so is making, and theycan kind of coerce or trick the
AI into divulging thatinformation.
You know a disgruntled employeeis like, well, I want to know
how much so-and-so is making andthey can kind of coerce or
trick the ai into divulging thatinformation, like you know, how
is that going to work right?

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
well, what they try and do, isn't it?
They try and have one ai check,they have two a's and try and
check it.
But right, there's some guycalled simon wilson and kind of
very high up in kind of like AIknowledge.
He basically says AI securityproblems can't be solved with
more AI because if one AI can betricked, the other AI checking

(01:25:16):
it can also be tricked.
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
I was.
That's funny because, like Iwant to say, like NVIDIA is
trying to compartmentalize AI,so you'll have an HR AI, like a
tech ai, uh, maybe like abusiness operations ai, and so
you, so all those differentdepartments, will have their own
ai that can communicatetogether.
But then there's also like anoverseer ai that makes sure that

(01:25:43):
the information they're sharingis appropriate, and it's like,
okay, who oversees the overseer?
And then there's like anotherlayer, like a teacher AI.
It's like, oh my gosh, here wego.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Yeah, my Lord, like you know.
So in the end it's like havinga whole robot workforce just to
kind of like keep an eye on whatthe other robots are doing in
the workforce.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Yeah, yeah, right.
It's like like wait a minute,we're going full circle here but
anyway, enough about robots.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Okay, what I want to know is confession time.
Yeah, I want to know about whatis what do you reckon is the
dumbest thing you've everself-hosted?
And I really want to know whenwe go live, I want people to
kind of tell, tell us what youknow and put in the comments
what's?
What is the dumbest thingyou've ever self-hosted?

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
what do?
What do we mean by dumbest?

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
here like like, okay, it kind of went horribly wrong.
It was really pointless.
You set it up, it's, you know,and it was just like a kind of
pointless thing and you thought,why did I even bother?
Okay, I so if we look at, thepointless aspect.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
I think I got a perfect answer for you, answer
for and this may offend a lot ofpeople, and no offense to
anybody.
You know, when you have a tool,use whatever you're most
comfortable with, okay.
So I'm going to say this, butI'm not trying to offend anyone.
But the most pointlesscontainer for me personally that

(01:27:06):
I really regretted setting upwas lucky backup oh, you're
gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
You're gonna upset a lot of people with so many
people love your lucky backupvideo.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
I know, I think I just you cannot say that, man, I
have to be like I try to tellpeople, like in the comments on
that video, like, hey, this isgreat, I don't personally use it
.
I understand why like peoplewant to use it because, like you
know, like the command line isgenuinely scary for a lot of
people, right, um, yeah, butwhen I was setting up lucky

(01:27:38):
backup, I was like this is socumbersome because with user
scripts and just typing outrsync and all the different
variables in the directoriesit's so much faster and I don't
know.
Yeah, I think I really regretdoing the Lucky Backup one and I

(01:28:01):
feel like it would be easierjust to teach people how to do
things via command line, becauseit's honestly much more simple.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Well, lucky Becca.
Yeah, I'll go with that.
What about for you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
For me, I think and this is probably going to offend
a lot of people as well this isit?

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
We're not going to get show after this, but it's
canceled now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Setting up a dashboard like for different
containers.
Okay, so things like you knowand please like, it's just.
This is my own personal opinion.
For me, things like hemdall andthings like that, I said, why
do I even need that?
Yeah, that's what my kind ofshortcuts tab on the browsers
are for if I want to gosomewhere to another server.

(01:28:47):
I just don't see the point, andyou know I'm anyone who's seen
my videos when they look at myserver in my videos, for a lot
of the things I use a lot andother servers I have, I use the
custom tabs um plugin and I haveall of my servers set exactly
the same, so the tabs are in thesame one.
So like I've got server one,server two, server three, and

(01:29:10):
then each other's one has likethat, so I can click on this
kind of server two and it'll goto that and the page looks the
same, and so it's almost kind ofseamless yeah, it's uh, I think
.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
So what you're talking about is a lot like um
cockpit, um so like uh, red hatsentos fedora.
So like Red Hat CentOS Fedora,there's probably other districts
, things like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Cockpit.
I like that.
What I mean is just a dashboardto kind of like you know,
you've got a button forNextCloud on your dashboard and
you've got a button for Plex andyou've got a button for, say,
deluge.
I think, like, why do I have togo to another web page to then
go to another web page to thengo to?

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
another web page.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Yeah, exactly when I can just have.
That's what your favorite barsfor and that's what shortcuts
are for, yeah, in your browserand to me.
I guess some people want tokind of better, you know, expose
it to the internet maybe andthen give, like, family access,
so it's easy for you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Know certain people, but yeah, I mean, these tools
exist for a reason becausesomebody identified, you know, a
gap, right, so there's nothingwrong with that.
But I just I agree with youLike for for me something like a
Heimdall, I don't use it, andlike even your plugin, I don't
touch my server that often orenough to need something like
that, and I make content aboutUnraid.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Another thing that was kind of like a Minecraft
server just for myself.
That was kind of prettypointless.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Now you're really going to get us cancelled, yeah,
but a Minecraft server just forme.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
None of my friends play Minecraft.
That's what I mean oh, okay,okay, okay, I said you know, I
set it up and um now, what am Igoing to do with it?

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
yeah, so, uh, it's funny that you bring up uh
minecraft server, so pterodactyl, I guess I have two.
Can I have two entries, is thatokay?

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
go on.
Yeah all, we'll let you havetwo.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Pterodactyl.
It is.
The upfront cost of gettingPterodactyl set up just to run a
Minecraft server or one othergaming server is insane.
There's nothing wrong withPterodactyl On principle perfect
, great tool.
It should exist.

(01:31:27):
It has a place.
Principle, perfect, great tool.
It should exist.
It has a place.
But for me at home, there is noway in hell.
I went to try and set it up onetime and I was looking at the
documentation and looking at thecontainer.
It's just kind of like lookingback and forth and I just said,
nope, not doing this, absolutelynot doing this.
Kudos to anyone who actuallygot it set up and working.

(01:31:49):
I think actually there is aYouTuber oh my gosh, I can't
remember his name IbraCorp.
Ibracorp has a great video onit and I started following his
video and I want to say we wereprobably 10 minutes in.
I was like I don't have timefor this, I can't do it.
So, yeah, pterodactyl isanother one on my list.
Sorry, can't do it.

(01:32:10):
Uh, so I yeah, pterodactyl isanother one on my list.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Yeah, sorry, if you like it, it's fine, it's just
not for me.
Yeah, so you know, everyone outthere put in the comments what
containers you don't like.
Yeah, I'd be interested to whatother people say.
And it's not, remember, it'snot just containers you don't
like, right?
Okay, we've got to be clearhere, because like yeah, yeah I
probably phrased that very badlyones that didn't work out how
you thought they would do whenyou first started.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
I want to see what other peopleare saying for sure, because I
feel like one of the problems wehave with the Internet is like
we kind of have this bandwagonlike oh, check out Heimdall I'm
not saying Heimdall specifically, I'm just using an example but
like, check out Heimdall, onprinciple and at face value,
it's super cool.

(01:32:51):
And then everybody's like ohyeah, you should be using this,
you'd be using this, but I wantto know, like I want to hear,
what other people are doing,because there's no way
everyone's setting this up.
It seems like everyone'ssetting it up and using it, but
are they really so?
I want to, I want to know whatpeople actually have to say
about this.
I'd be really interested.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Yeah, me too, yeah.
So let us know, guys, please.
Anyway, I think that prettymuch brings us to the end of
this episode, stefano.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
It's the last one ever after you just said
Minecraft.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
This is going to be the only episode ever because
we've offended too many people.
Anyway, we're going to be goinglive, so we're really excited
for you guys to join us.
It's going to be the firstSaturday of every month Check
out the Unraid forums things forthe exact time.
We haven't really finalized theexact time of day that we're

(01:33:41):
going to have it yet, but we'lltry and make it so it's a time
of day that you know people indifferent, different time zones.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
We can all have some sort of overlap yeah definitely
get subscribed, because what wecan do also is when we do have a
more solidified time.
I could also put it in thedigest, under a digest, and so
that announcing can make itthere and so they can just
quickly hear you know, saturdayat 9 pm or 9 am, whatever right
and guys, you're gonna have toforgive us on our first live

(01:34:08):
ones.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
You know we are going to be a bit, probably a few
hiccups along the way.
So you know I've never hosted alive show before, so it's going
to be a really fun adventurefor me now also, you're in the
uk and I'm in the united states,so big time gap.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Lots can go wrong.
It's if we were together, it'dbe a little more simple.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
But and you know I've got a very naughty dog that can
bark and make lots of noises inthe background.
Hopefully you haven't heard hertoo much today, but that's
always a bit of a worry insomething live that you can't
edit out when the dog barks 100%.
Anyway, guys, thanks everyonefor watching.
I really hope you enjoyed this,this, and thank you very much

(01:34:51):
to stefano um for joining me andagreeing to be part of this
absolutely awesome show.
We'll catch you in the next one, guys, see you later, see ya,
bye, bye.

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