Home Lab Wins, Vendor Lock-In Fails, and Tales from Japan

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone.
So I think we are live.
We are live, Stefano, Stefanois like trolling there as normal
.
So let's start.
So step right up, all of youover the internet, whatever time
zone you've escaped from youhumans, cyborgs, nas nerds,
dockerheads and data hoarders,lovers of everything self-hosted

(00:21):
, welcome back to anotherepisode.
So it's another month, anotherexcuse to procrastinate on our
server maintenance.
We've all been planning.
So, stefano, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's going good, man I can't complain, just working
on the homelab trying to solvesome issues.
I don't know if you remember wetalked about a dock last
episode.
I went to go buy one and it wasscammed on ebay and so now I
can't use it.
Uh, so gotta deal with therepercussions there and stuff.
What about for you?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
yeah, um, I'm pretty good, thanks, but let's just say
a big shout out to everyone inthe live chat.
You know, don't be shy.
Everyone out there say hi, tellus what's on your home lab
bench today.
Um, but if you're watchinglater on replay, well you just
have to imagine, I guess, allthe witty comments flying by.
So, yeah, so I don't think theyshow up on replay now.

(01:15):
I just want to apologize toeveryone if you can hear
something strange in thebackground at the moment.
Um, across the street they'vedecided to, in the building
across the street, test the firealarm.
So stefano says he can't hearit, but it normally takes two or
three minutes, so hopefullythat will clear up in a moment I
think I can't hear it now yeah,it's very, very annoying.

(01:39):
Um, I just want to ask everyoneif they can actually hear me in
the chat.
Um, if my and ste Stefano'svolumes seem okay and hi there.
Marcus.
Marcus has joined us.
Great to have you here, Marcus.
Hopefully the volume is loudand clear.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Excellent, anyway, so what?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
have I been up to.
Um, hopefully the volume isloud, loud and clear, excellent,
anyway.
So I think he's talking aboutthe alarm.
Uh, it is like it.
There's a school across theroad and, oh, it's going away.
The first time I ever heard itit sounded like an air raid, um
siren.
I thought I had to like kind ofrun under the table and get
ready for some bombs to drop, orsomething oh man, it sounds
like it's stopped now, so youhave ice cream trucks in the uk
oh, we do yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So I mean you could just lie to us all and be like
oh, it's an ice cream truck andthat's the siren well, pretty
horrible ice cream truck thatwould be anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So, guys, I've, um, just made it back from japan.
Now, it was a great trip.
The return not really quite sogreat three flights, 22 hours of
travel and a little detourthrough shanghai airport which,
honestly, to be honest, it feltlike a military boot camp.
It was like stand there, no,not there, turn around faster.

(03:02):
To be honest, I thought they'regoing to recruit me into the
army before I got my next flight.
Um, and just when I thoughtthings couldn't get worse, got
home, got food poisoning whichthen turned into a lovely
secondary infection whichswelled my face up so badly.
I worried doing this podcast,warner brothers, might copyright
strike me for looking too muchlike sloth from the goonies, but

(03:25):
anyway, it's gone down now, soI was able to do the show.
Um, the meds have all kicked inand I'm here.
So, unless stefano decides tobail on me, which I thought he
was going to earlier because hehad a bit of a time constraint
but I think you're all right now, stefano, aren't you?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
yep, we can, uh, thank the weather for changing
so rapidly.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, so we're not going to have to cut the show
short too much.
So, anyway, welcome everyone.
Let's just see who's in thechat.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
We got Fugazi.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Did you make that dashboard yet, Stefano?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
No, I did not.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
No, stefano has not, he lied.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'm a big fat liar.
I look man in my defense.
I finally stopped playingtarkov.
Okay, I bought space marine 2.
I've been playing the hell outof it and then, out of nowhere,
oblivion remaster dropped.
So what am I supposed to do?
Honestly, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
well, you got a little bit of an excuse there,
stefano.
We'll let you off a bit there,thank you.
So, anyway, shall we unleashthe nerdy goodness then, stefano
?
Yeah, did I take my pants off,or how does this work, Stefano?
I always tell you you've got tobehave yourself.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Family approved.
Okay, sorry.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
So let's kick it off.
Basically, probably whateveryone's been waiting for is
Unraid 7.1, the stable release.
It should be landing any daynow.
Right now, I think we're at RC4, aren't we, stefano?
Is it RC4?
That sounds right.
We've got some great stuff in7.1.
The headline for me probably alot of you watching is importing

(05:07):
foreign ZFS pools.
So if you've been thinkingabout jumping ship from
something like TrueNAS, or ifyou're one of those poor souls
wrestling with Synology's drivepolicies, maybe it's a good time
to jump ship now.
But more on Synology later on.
But this is definitely going tomake migrations much, much
easier later on.
But this is definitely going tomake migrations much, much

(05:27):
easier.
And also for you hardwaretinkerers um, battle mage gpu
support is landed.
So I think, card wise, with thebattle mage cards, what we've
got, stefano, is that the b580and the b570 are out.
Yep, um, I think there's like arumor, is it?
The b770 is rumored to bereleased, a much more powerful

(05:50):
card with, I think, either 16 or24 gigs of ram, but it's still
mia that's what I hear.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I I know that right now a big complaint is that 12
gigabytes or 16 gigs is notenough.
Uh, nvidia thinks it is, butobviously we know it's not in
real life, so it'd be reallycool if they do release like a
24 gig version.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
A 24 gig would be super good.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, we haven't seen it yet.
You know, when Intel they'rejust teasing us.
At this point, I think the realbattle mage is just patience,
isn't it really?
Yeah, and there's a lot ofother issues going on, uh,
politically as well, yeah, yeah.

(06:29):
Well, we're not going to talkabout politics today.
We'll leave it at that um, andjust to mention as well, um
other unraid news the unraidplugin system is coming in 7.2,
like this is going to be a gamechanger really for developers
and people like us who liketweaking things.
But we're going to save thatreally, um, for diving into when

(06:50):
7.2 getsa little closer.
But you can check out the talkif you've got the um unraid
digest.
There's a link there where youcan actually um watch the
announcement all about that andhow to use it.
So check that out, guys.
Okay, just checking the chat.

(07:12):
Oh, and anyone who missed itlast month when we said about
the Wi-Fi support and the VMgraphics improvements like GL,
they're also in 7.1.
So I was wondering as wellanyone in the chat, anyone using
Wi-fi support at all?
Um, let us know.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And if you are um, let us know what you're using it
for and why what so I mean, Icould kind of make, maybe like
some inferences, because a long,long, long, long time ago, back
in like 2010, we, um, when wewere mining bitcoin in the early
days we were using so muchpower with our miners we

(07:50):
actually couldn't keep one ofour servers, our nodes, our
bitcoin nodes uh plugged inanywhere on that side of that
other apartment because we wereoverloading the circuits, right.
So we actually had to move theserver on the other side of the
house with a wi-fi and then haveit on a wi-fi adapter so that
way it could still access theinternet.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
But I don't know, like, aside from like an extreme
scenario like that, I'm notsure why anyone would use wi-fi
for their unraid server I'veactually been using wi-fi for my
unraid servers sometimes yeah,or for real life for testing
really, because if you seebehind me there, yeah, I've got
that other desk behind me, yeah,but my all my network stuff is

(08:30):
really on this side.
I have got a little networkswitch underneath with a few
wires, but it's such a hassle toplug wires in.
So I've got a little usb wi-fiadapter.
So when I move the service overthere and I'm kind of fitting
in a graphics card, I want tojust fire it up and check it's
recognized before I put it backin the rack and find that it
isn't or something.

(08:51):
I can plug that in the frontconnect by wi-fi, get into the
gui, have a look.
But I haven't really used itfor a permanent connection
myself.
But you know, it's been prettyuseful actually for something I
never really thought about thatit would be useful for it.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
So I, I mean, I can understand like little nuanced
situations like that, but like Idon't know about long term, you
know, like I don't, I can'tthink of a scenario where you
might use it.
There's probably like some coolthings that people are doing
with it, like oh, I just to testsome.
I don't, I don't know.
But you know, maybe you shoulddo what Dane is doing and switch

(09:26):
over to SFP.
Yeah, dane, are you using likea Mellanox for your Mellanox
card, for your Unraid server?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
We should have a bit better latency on the chat this
week, so I put it down to theultra-low latency.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You're doing copper connections for everything right
Like just basic Ethernet yeah,yeah, yeah I'm just using cat6.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, yeah, same here .
Yeah, um, 2.5 gig I've got onmy network nice.
So I've managed to go beyond um, beyond the one gig now and um
I can't wait till you join usfor 10 gig.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I can't wait till you join us on a gig.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I can't wait till you join us on a 10 gig I'd like to
have 10 gig, but um, theswitches are quite loud.
That's what I don't like aboutit.
Oh yeah, they can be, theydefinitely can't be I had a 10
gig switch before that I wasusing and it was just really
loud and, um, I think I kind oflike plugged in a power meter to
it and it was using somethinglike 80 watts and my server was
using 90 watts.
I thought now I'm not doingnothing I think my computer

(10:30):
right now is using like 300,something we're just streaming
but you know another thing Imight use wi-fi, for we're
thinking of moving house at themoment and um moving back to
kind of where we used to livebefore actually, and this house,
every single room is wired upwith cat5 and cat6, so when I
kind of move, um, I might needto have wi-fi until I can get

(10:54):
the wires put in, so that'll behear me out actually really
useful video idea.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I fly to the uk and help you install cat5 yeah or
cat6.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Sorry, I've got a better video idea what's that,
yeah.
You fly to the uk and wire thecat5 for me while I watch.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
That's, yeah, well that's the same thing that would
be awesome yeah, I wonder if Icould like hit up one of my
regular content providers, likeAlta Labs or TP-Link or somebody
, and just hook you up with someawesome Wi-Fi.
What Wi-Fi are you using rightnow?

(11:34):
Ubiquiti.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well, okay.
Well, if you're already onUbiquiti, you'll probably just
stick with that.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, it's pretty good Talking about hardware.
This month's shiny new toys Ithink I've spoken about it last
month, to be honest is I've gota 5080, no, sorry, a 5070 Ti and
a 9070 XT and I'm trying todecide which one to keep.

(12:02):
I've been having quite a lot ofissues with the 9070 XT and
pass-through.
It does seem to have the resetbug, which is really upsetting
that I can't use it forpass-through in a VM Not yet
anyway.
Hopefully that's something thatwill be sorted out, and this is
all basically just to upgradethat this, upgrading my old um

(12:27):
3080 there, which is reallystill a really good card
actually.
But speaking of gpus, um, I'veheard there's a new gpu being
released any day now from amd,which is the r 9070 GRE, and
that's launching on May the 8th,and it's China only for now.

(12:48):
But if history tells us things,it might not stay that way.
So I'm not sure if any of youout there remember there was
another GPU called the 7900 GREand that was back in 2023.
And that was China only as well.
But it did make its way slowlyto resellers and system builders
and it had really goodreputation of like being, you

(13:11):
know, really good bang for buckand it was a winner for a lot of
people.
So the 1970 GRR sorry, the 1970GRE looks like it's going to
follow the same kind of playbook.
It's got 12 gigs of RAM, a fewless stream processors, but it's
going to be only $370.
So a really nice mid-tier card.

(13:36):
So I'm really hoping it doesget a Western release sooner
rather than later, otherwisewe're all going to have to be
stalking eBay for those graymarket imports.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I have two questions actually.
One goes back to the previoustopic about you moving.
This is a big concern for me.
If I come visit you, we have tobe in walking distance of a pub
, because where you live now isgray.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Stefano, you're going to love it.
It's in a village and there'san old pub and the house is
actually joined onto the old pub, it's like.
So I can literally walk out myfront door and then kind of go
out the front gate and go there.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Then I'll be into the pub all right, let me know when
you move it's even closer foryou yeah, it is it, it's perfect
.
It means we can stay later andeverything.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, it should be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Okay.
The second question, and thisis serious, so I'm not too
familiar with AMD graphics cards.
Oh, okay, and I think the 970GRE has fewer stream processors.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It does.
Yeah, Is that the same?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
thing as nvidia's encoding units.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Um no, I think it's basically just more like the
kind of like cuda in nvidia asfar as yeah, so some does?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
does uh do amd maps cards like have uh dedicated
encoders or yeah, they do, Ibelieve.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, but of course all of that's way too
pedestrian for mr um, mr 4090over there.
Stefano's not stepping down toa mid-tier card unless it makes
his morning coffee and minesbitcoin while he's gaming 100
and you can't mine bitcoin ongraphics cards anymore.
So highly unlikely.
So anyway, you guys in theaudience I don't know if

(15:33):
anyone's ever imported a GPU oryou'd ever consider getting the
GRE model.
If the price is right, Drop itin the chat.
Love hearing about yourquestionable eBay purchases.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
In this case, wouldn't it make more sense?
If it's $379 for the 9070 GRE,right, it would make more sense
to just get the Intel Battlemage, because it'd still be cheaper
and you'd still get 12 gigs ofVRAM.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, yeah, I think the Intel cards are pretty good
mid-tier cards.
Yeah, so I just Justice hasjust said I have an unrelated
question to Folder View 2, as itwas not supported by Unraid 7.
Has this changed now?
Just check the App Store.

(16:22):
Thanks for your comments.
The Folder View 2 is isfundraised 7 and above.
I believe it was the originalfolder view that wasn't
supported in in 7.
So this this one I think cameout on the 13th of april, so
it's been out a couple of weeks.
Another developer's picked itup and is um is continuing it.

(16:42):
And for those of you don whodon't know what the folder view
2 is, your Docker containerslike say, you've got Nextcloud
all in one, for instance, whichhas I don't know, kind of five,
six, seven, eight differentcontainers you can group them
all and have one icon for it, soyou can have like Nextcloud and

(17:04):
then you can expand that.
So it's just like a folderwhere you can put different
docker containers or vms into.
So you can have all of yourmedia containers in one, all of
your r's and another or yourdownloaders in another.
So people who have got pagesand pages of of containers on
their docker tab, you canactually kind of group them up
and organize them a little bitand you can choose your own

(17:25):
icons for the groups and thatkind of thing.
So that's what that is forthose of you guys who haven't
seen that before that's me.
I haven't seen it before anyway,I want to talk about graphics
cards.
I'm afraid stephano a bit more,because I um, like I say, I
went to japan recently and whenI was there, um, I went all

(17:48):
around japan, lots of differentkind of cities, um, but tokyo I
went to, um, akari bar, I thinkis how you pronounce it, which
is the kind of electronic centerof tokyo.
Um, I'm gonna, I thought it wasgonna be food related I'm gonna
like um share my screen in amoment, try and show you guys,
um, some photos.

(18:10):
But, um, they've got the mostawesome computer stores there
that are like eight stories highand just each each floor has
got kind of different things.
Like one floor is just likemotherboards, another one just
like cpus, another bit you canjust buy, like apple products
and cases, everything you canever think of, just like every
cpu, you can think of gpus, allof them.

(18:33):
Like you know, I've beencomplaining for months about how
hard it is to get hold of my um5070 ti and the amd card as
well.
Well, it's like a builder'sparadise there, every single
card you can just see straightaway.
So I'm going to try and sharemy screen with you guys.
I'm going to show you somephotos of some things that I

(18:53):
think are pretty cool.
In fact, what I'm going to do,I'm going to show you something
first.
I think this is the most coolCPU call I think I've ever seen
in my life.
Maybe there have been thingslike this before, I don't know,
but it basically has a littlescreen on it that plays video
and they love their anime injapan and this is like an anime

(19:17):
themed computer and it's gotlike kind of anime video playing
in the cpu core, so I'm gonnatry and play that for you, if I
can excuse me everyone, while Itry and sort this sort this.

(19:53):
Oh, it's a lot bigger than Ithought it would be, so I try
and zoom in.
Do you see it there?
Um, that the cooler um abovethe screen.
Um, I just thought that waspretty awesome yeah, we have.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
We have those, but I think they the screens are
smaller usually like that's hugeit's just, I couldn't believe
it when I saw it there.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Um yeah, you know, I thought that was um pretty
awesome myself it is awesome.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I I kind of want one, but I don't.
I don't ever know like Iwouldn't be able to stick to a
single thing, because it'sessentially just a video on loop
, right?
Yeah, and I'm wondering howmany different videos you could
play on loop.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I'm not sure.
I wonder where the videoactually comes from.
I'm assuming it must be kind ofonboard storage, because does
it only start when the OS startsor has it got its own?
It was very difficult to findout anything about it.
I said, you know I was going tobuy one if they sold them.
But they said you had to buythe whole system.
And one moment while I show you.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Really Thank you.
Our new egg?
Yeah, it does that stuff.
So you want this thing by thiswhole other thing that you don't
need I'm going to try and sharesome photos here.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
So that's how much the computer cost.
Yeah, in japanese yen um forthat computer with the screen,
and that's four thousand usdollars.
So, um, I didn't buy it, butbut it was pretty cool.
It looks like it's on sale too.

(21:36):
So anyway, there's justgraphics cards on the shelves,
like a whole bunch of 50s, 70s.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I'm going to just go.
I'm sorry these photos aren'tin order.
That was a little kind of likeretro gaming bar, where you just
go in and have a little drinkand, um, they've got kind of
retro games you can play.
They come and give you like alittle game boy and things like
that.
It's just really nice chilledout bar.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I really that was like basically heaven for you,
because you, you love retro bars.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I love retro gaming.
Yeah, hence the name.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Space invader one um my channel was originally going
to be about retro gaming, but itpivoted.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Um, that's back inside the computer store again.
That's kind of, you know, oneof the flaws.
You're going to see how muchstuff there you can actually buy
.
It's just absolutely insane.
Um, unfortunately I didn't takevery many photographs.
Most of what I did was justvideo.
I kind of wore like um a goproon a of this.
I've got a lot of video footagebut not so many still photos,

(22:31):
unfortunately.
Oh, there's like a car.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Is that like a?
I think that's a Subaru BRZmaybe.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, I'd just come back from you can go and do
these.
They have like a meetup, a carmeetup at what's basically a
service station in Japan, on themotorway and you just get
literally probably hundreds ofcustom Japanese cars and even
other supercars as well.
There's like Lamborghinis thereand custom trucks and lots and

(23:01):
lots of GTRs, nissan GTRs.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Well, custom trucks, that's a first, because in Asia
trucks are more like utilityvehicles, right, so they don't
actually yeah like.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
This was like a big kind of like us style truck and
the doors opened upwards oh, noway, lots of bling on the on the
wheels and like lights, and itwas really awesome.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I gotta see that because, like you know, here in
the us, you know people drivetrucks as like more like a
luxury vehicle, yeah, and so itwould be interesting to see them
blinged out like that um, herehere's, like you know, kind of
in some of the they have likeretro gaming shops where you can
just buy all sorts of retrogaming stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Um, yeah, I've got a whole bunch of things that I've
kind of bought when I was therehow's your japanese, are you?
Uh, oh my japanese is reallybad just like I kept trying to.
I kept trying to say thank youall the time and, um, it's like
arigato grass or something and Iwould always kind of like say

(24:05):
it and I could see like the taxidrivers and stuff kind of like,
kind of like laugh a little bit.
But yeah, I think they didappreciate I did try.
Yeah, but a lot of it was.
I was kind of like, um, youknow, typing into um chat gpt on
the phone where I want to goand saying please can you make
that into japanese?
Then I'd like show it to the,to the taxi driver where I

(24:26):
wanted to go yeah, yeah, I'd saythat's pretty common.
But ChatGPT really let me downwhen I was away.
A lot of times I would say I'mhere at the moment and I want to
go here.
How far is it to the hotel?
Oh, it's just a four-minutewalk, four or five-minute walk,
okay.
So it was my son and I thatwent.

(24:47):
So I said to my son I saidwe'll walk here, it'll be okay,
and chat GPT totally lied and itwas like 40 minutes walk.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
And then.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Then I'd like tell chat GPT off, you know, say
excuse me.
Like you know, it's taken 40minutes.
Oh, sorry about that.
I said I asked you to doublecheck and he goes.
Yeah, I know you did ask me todouble check and, um, I can
understand why you've lost yourtrust in me.
When I do things, I think, oh,shut up, I don't this apology,
just tell me how far it reallyis.

(25:18):
It's only two points on a map,but yeah, anyway, let me just
show you a few more photos whileI'm here for people who might
like retro gaming.
Yeah, there was just a wholebunch of things.
I'm sorry I haven't got morephotos to show you.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Mario the Juggler?
I've never heard of that.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
No, there are some very, very interesting kind of
games I've never, ever heard of.
There's your GPU.
Look, stefano.
Yeah, I'm not sure how much.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
that is interesting kind of games I've never, ever
heard of um there's your gpu,look, stefano.
Yeah, um I'm not sure how muchthat is, I don't know.
It looks like those numbers areso large, but I'm like it's
like three thousand dollars fora 4090, I think.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I think I worked out when I was there.
I think it's about 2000 orsomething, I'm not sure.
Let Holy that's.
That's fine, I'm going to findout how much that is.
Give me one moment.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
You know it's it's crazy seeing just the vast
number of electronics available,cause, like I remember, at one
point you could walk into BestBuy.
The shelves are full ofgraphics cards, full of power
supplies and computer cases andaccessories.
And now it's just like it lookslike the stores have been
robbed or ransacked for theirgoods.

(26:33):
I mean just everything's a mess.
They have virtually no stock.
They don't even bother lockingthe cages anymore because they
have nothing to protect.
It's just like what happened tous.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
But this graphics card actually $2,600 US.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
So if you're a tourist you do get the tax off,
but that is pretty expensive.
There were a lot of differentshops and some were quite a lot
more expensive than others, butthis was a kind of touristy area
that people go to.
So I think some of them theykind of jack the prices up a
little, a little bit I meanhonestly, like you can't get a
grass card right now.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
So I would understand if you just happen to be in
japan for some reason.
Like you know what it's here,it's available.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I'm just gonna get it like if I hadn't bought my
other cards, I would.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I would have bought a card when I was there, for sure
, oh wow okay, do you know, isthere like any sort of like a
import tariff, like, if you?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
were to bring hardware with you back to the UK
, probably officially, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, I know you didn't, but I'm just curious
because, like when I came tovisit you, I was worried about,
like I had all these electronicswith me and I was worried about
them, them being like hey, uh,why are you importing this into
the country?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I think I think if you bought like a two thousand
dollar graphics card back intothe uk, you really should go in.
I've got something to declarecustomers channel and then they
would charge you 20 vat on that.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
So you know, it would be quite a lot extra on the top
well, thankfully, all the stuffI brought to your country was
for work and I brought it back,so yeah, I tell you, I wanted to
buy loads when I was there, um,but my wife had pre-packed both
my son and i's suitcase beforethe trip.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
So let's say there was no wiggle room, um, um,
between his stuff and my stuffand what the wife had packed in,
just in case.
I think my suitcase was heavierthan all of my servers put
together, so I'd have had to buyanother one.
Nice, but you know, no tripwould be complete without a bit

(28:41):
of chaos.
I visited an island nearHiroshima called I'm going to
probably pronounce this totallywrong near Hiroshima, called I'm
going to probably pronouncethis totally wrong um, my Jarima
island.
It's absolutely gorgeous,really beautiful place.
You go on a little ferry to getto that.
It's very small, our island.
It has, like you know, lovelytorii gates, um, but you can see

(29:01):
the sun setting behind um.
The sun just goes down behindum from over, which is really
nice, across the kind of likebay.
And I brought my laptop bagwith me.
I've got it somewhere here.
There's no reason for you tosee it, but I had my M3 MacBook
Pro in there, I had my camera inthere and I had an iPad Pro in

(29:23):
there.
I got off the ferry and thought,well've got to find the hotel.
There was no taxis because it'stoo too kind of like, um,
really a small island, really,um.
And so I sat down on somebenches, took my rucksack off,
put it on the floor and I had mysuitcase with me.

(29:44):
I had to push the suitcasealong kind of up this kind of
quite steep hill, um, to get tothe hotel and anyway off, I went
up to the hotel, you know,checked in, you know, asking the
staff loads of questions,taking loads of time, went up
there and I thought, oh, that'sa nice view out of the hotel
window.
I'm going to take a photo.
And I thought, where's mycamera?
I thought and then like,basically I'm not sure if

(30:07):
anyone's ever had the feelingwhere you go from really happy
to like, this kind of feeling ofpanic and dread inside of you,
and it feels like, you know,your stomach has actually kind
of like fallen out of your bodyand hit the floor and I realized
I haven't got my laptop bag.
I thought, oh my god.
And I knew the insurance likewouldn't cover it, like I think

(30:28):
I checked my travel insurancebefore I left and they only pay
up to 500 pounds per article.
So you know, obviously amacbook pro is worth a lot more
than that.
So I was thinking this is goingto be really disastrous.
So, anyway, I said, said to myson, let's just walk back and
trace the steps back.
And I got back to the benchwhere I was about an hour later

(30:52):
and the bag hadn't been touched.
It was there, people justwalking past?
Absolutely yeah, you know justthe so lack of crime.
It was absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I was just my understanding is is that because
the uh like?
So south korea is similar in alot of ways to japan, in the
sense that, like you know thecountry, the countries aren't as
diversified like populationwise, like like here in the
united states, we're a meltingpot, right, and so you tend to

(31:21):
have less crime because of that.
I don't know how true that is,but that's like one of the
primary reasons that, like, youcould just leave.
Like how many times you seesomeone just leave their phone
at their table and then go tothe, go to the bathroom or
whatever yeah, that would neverhappen in the united states?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
no if I, if I'd left my, if I'd left my bag in
bristol um, just in on thestreet for five minutes, well,
I'd worry about putting it downnext to me yeah, I'm not, I'm
not looking at it but it mightnot be there when I turn around,
you know.
But yeah, that was somethingabout japan, absolutely awesome

(31:58):
that is awesome the culture thatI loved it.
The people were so friendly um.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
It was very, very, very nice how did your son like
being in japan?

Speaker 1 (32:08):
he loved it.
Yeah, um, you know he he loved,he loves the car culture and
you know he's quite into cars.
So, um, that was kind of hisfavorite bit, I think, when we
went to the car thing.
But yeah, he really enjoyed,really enjoyed going there.
Um, he deliberated for agesabout in the computer shop what
mouse he should buy.
There's probably a lot ofoptions.

(32:28):
There's a lot of options andthen, like you know, you know
when he deliberated for agesabout in the computer shop what
mouse he should buy.
There's probably a lot ofoptions.
There's a lot of options, andthen when you're kind of young,
$10 makes a difference betweenwhich one you choose.
Yeah, yeah, so he's going.
Can we go back to the othershop?
And I just want to see how muchit was there.
So we had to go to about threedifferent shops until we found
the one he wanted that was atthe cheapest price of all of

(32:49):
them.
How long were you guys therefor?
Like a whole week, 12 days, Ithink, 12 days.
Is it 12 days?
I think 12 days, but a day eachside was traveling.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So 10 full days over there.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
So if anyone else ever had a tech travel nightmare
, let us know you know.
If anyone else ever had a atech travel nightmare, let us
know.
Um broken hardware, mid-tripleft gear behind, you know, so
let us know um.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Anyway, moving on to kind of ai stuff, I guess you
could call dlss for ai yeah, Ithink technically, or at least
the technology, was AI trainedor something to the matter to
the effect so I believe um youknow, dl excuse me, dlss4 is
rolling out in more and moregames now yeah, and then, uh,

(33:41):
you can, and with nvidia you canalso override uh dlss on some
older games, so you can can useDLSS for technology, which is
really nice.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh wow Really.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
So the game doesn't actually have to support it
natively.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Not technically.
No, there you can still runinto some issues, especially
with whatever the anti-cheatsoftware, like anti-cheat
solvers, might detect that andyou could, you know know, get
blocked and stuff.
So it's not like the perfectthing.
Um, I think we're really hopingthat nvidia kind of figures out

(34:16):
a way to allow that technologyto work with older games and
also where anti-cheat won'tdetect it and, you know, block
you or ban you from the game doyou?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
do you use it yourself, stefano?
Is it something you've you'vetried out on your machine or?
Um, I guess you're 40, 90.
You could probably brute forceminecraft at 16k resolution
anyway, couldn't you?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
yeah, you know, most games are just brute force.
Um, I am actually not really afan of dlss because and and this
isn't about dlss4, this is myprevious experience.
I haven't tried it yet, sothings could have changed but I
would get headaches when DLSSwas enabled, because it just

(34:56):
looked like everything wassmeared or something was off
with the picture that I don'tthink I could visually see with
my eyes, but my brain was ableto pick up Right, and so I've
never I've always turned DLSSoff, um, cause for me it's, it's
almost as bad as, uh, a motionblur Like I also, motion blur

(35:19):
also makes me feel uncomfortable, yeah, and so I've never used
it.
Um, and DLSS four maybe hasimproved some of the smearing or
issues, but I still haven'ttried it.
I'm kind of scared to try it.
And the one new game I havethat supports it, which would be
no, no, no, I don't know ifSpace Marine 2 supports DLSS 4

(35:41):
or not.
I don't think I have any gamesthat actually support DLSS 4.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
I thought about enabling it, forocko says love
you, love you back, man I Ithought about enabling it for uh
escape from tarkov.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
But escape from tarkov has anti-cheat, so I was
like all right I'm not gonna dothat, so why is it considered
cheating then?
Uh, because I you so, at leastfor the case of Escape from
Tarkov, you have to replace oneof the DLLs to use DLSS4.
Dll DLSS4, anyway, and so theanti-sheet will detect that

(36:19):
modification.
But other titles I don't thinkthat's necessarily true.
It's more like a checkbox tooverride and I don't really know
what it's doing under the hood,necessarily, but I think it may
also be swapping dlss or dll'sif you are uh you know,
overriding it, which would makesense.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I got it.
Yeah, you know, anyone outanyone in the chat tried um, dll
, dls s4.
You got me doing it.
Now, stephanie, you know um, oryou know you know what do you
guys think about it?
If you're gamers, um, you knowI'm not a bigger, as big a gamer
as um, as stephanie, but, um,one thing kind of worries me a
little bit about um, this dl ss4um, is it worries me that we

(37:05):
can end up, if it becomes very,very, very good and everyone
kind of loves it, it kind oflocks it, vendor locks things
into just NVIDIA cards.
If lots and lots of gamessupport DLS4 and it's like you
know you need to have this toplay it really well, especially
with lower tier cards then it'sgoing to push everyone, I think,

(37:27):
towards NVIDvidia and intel andamd cards may then kind of like
not be so competitive, but I'msure they've got things in the
pipeline, you know, for similar,similar things with um, with
those vendors as well.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
This is why I mean, I tell everybody, you know the
gaming experience is moreimportant than the graphics, and
so you should turn the graphicsettings down before you use
DLSS technology or things likethat, because a lot of the times
, like going from medium to high, the differences are so

(38:02):
minuscule that you would have tobe actively looking for it to
detect them Minus, of course,shadows and things like ray
tracing and lighting.
But generally speaking, youknow the difference between
medium and high is almostundetectable unless you're
looking for it.
And when you're actuallyplaying the game, you know
you're probably enjoying theexperience too much to not even

(38:24):
notice those little differences.
But you know, and then evenchanging to low, like a lot of
like good games, the world thatthey build um and the gaming
experience that they provide,you won't even notice graphics
issues because you'll be toobusy just having fun with the
game and graphic.
Having great graphics does notmake a game good no at all.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Well, it's like.
It's like a movie, isn't itlike?
Um, lots of my friends, they'reobsessed with movies and it's
got to be 4k, it's got to bekind of like the best ever sound
, it's got to be the best everthis.
And I turn around and say I'drather watch a good movie in
1080p than a really bad movielike a kind of 3d cinema yeah I

(39:07):
mean on the best screen ever, Idon't know, because it's the
game or the story that is themost important thing.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Exactly, I'm the same way like I have a media library
and a lot of my stuff is just,you know, plain old 1080p.
There is some 4k content, butit's not like ultra hd, you know
, lossless encoding or whateverit's like.
I you know, if it's a goodmovie, I'm gonna enjoy it, no
matter what.
Because, like, growing up inthe 90s, you know, we had tons

(39:35):
of movies that were filmed ondigital, digitally and on film,
and so, like you just grew upwith like a really good mix of
things that were like reallygrainy or had that like kind of
like look to it, you know, andit was sometimes it's great,
sometimes the grain is quitenice, like a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I agree.
I think they they remasteredwhat was it?
Aliens recently I think theyremastered aliens quite a few
times.
Yeah, and a lot of peopleprefer the unremastered ones.
Um, because I think the colorsthey kind of slightly changed
the colors in the remasteredversion and it kind of just
didn't look quite the same.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
And you know, I think some of the gray was taken out,
you know, because it adds likea bit of like you're, I don't
know to me it kind of like addsa bit to the immersion effect.
Yeah, and when it's like supercrystal clear and just like
everything's perfect, it alljust looks superficial and fake.
So which is weird, to say, oh,did you lose power?

(40:35):
Did I lose power?
Stream should still be going.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Is the stream still going.
Are you still there?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Oh no, oh, bessie, is it just me now?
That's not good.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I can see you.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I have no idea if Ed is here and I have no idea if
I'm here.
Hello, stefano, all right,looks like I am going to be
carrying the show.
I'm pretty sure I'm still alive.
Yep, I'm still alive.
So anyway, I don't know aboutyou guys, but I still really

(41:09):
like that film grain or like theold or like what not older
movies, but like classic movieswould have, um, even the
imperfections in the film oreven in the digital recordings,
like added a lot to the show, uh, or to the movie, in my opinion
, and when it's like too real,it it almost takes away from

(41:33):
that like immersion, that orthat sense that I get of like
connecting with the movie andstuff.
So I haven't I haven't seen thenew alien remasters, because I
have the original ones and Istill watch those uh, to this
day.
I have no desire, I guess, toget like more fidelity out of
those movies because I thinkthey were filmed really good.

(41:53):
I do like seeing the extracontent that they typically add
in with like remasters ordirectors cuts and stuff like
that, but I'll just look thatstuff up on YouTube because I
don't think it's going to changethe film enough for me to want
to get like a higher qualityversion.
Um, so, uh, anyway, so I guesswe'll move on to talking about

(42:19):
this analogy hard drivecontroversy.
Thanks, marcus.
Thanks for confirming that I'mactually here, because it would
be really awkward if, for likethe next 30 minutes, I'm just
sitting here talking to thecamera and it's like, well, I
look like I'm live to myself,but I have no idea.
So you guys have all left andI'm just like rambling on going
through the rest of the show.

(42:39):
Oh, that would be terrible.
Hopefully Ed gets back in here.
I'm just gonna, I guess,continue on without him and
we'll we'll probably circle backif we need to about anything.
Um, so, one of the things edwanted to talk about was the
synology hard drive controversy.
Uh, obviously, this is a bigdeal for everyone, because no

(43:02):
one likes, uh, having to buyspecific parts for their
hardware, right, and in this dayand age, like it's 2025, right,
it makes a lot less sense to bevendor locked to specific
hardware like Dell has done thisfor a long time where, like, if
you buy an Intel SFP plus NICfor your Unraid server and you

(43:29):
didn't buy it from Dell, he didanger the DLSS gods.
That's revenge, see, this iswhy you don't say anything bad.
You'd have to buy their vendoror Dell's version so that way
your fan speed wouldn't ramp to100%.
But what's the differencebetween an Intel X540 that you

(43:50):
bought from Intel or athird-party vendor and Dell's?
Literally nothing.
They're exactly the same,except for whatever little
firmware thing they may havedone, and that's just ridiculous
.
But from a business side, Ialmost understand where Synology

(44:10):
is coming from, because they'retrying to break maybe not break
, but better support theenterprise and to guarantee
certain features or guaranteelike hey, when you buy a
Synology product and you buy ourdrives, we guarantee that these
features are going to work.
We guarantee that these thingsare going to work.
We guarantee that these thingsare hello, stephanie, can you
hear me?

Speaker 1 (44:30):
that was strange.
I could see and hear you allthe time.
You were still in my riverside.
Yeah, you were still there.
That was very, very strange.
I don't know what happened then, um, so I went out the studio
and came back in and, um, thenyou could hear me.
So I was kind of laughing alongto to what you were saying and

(44:51):
and, anyway, I'm glad to be back.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Sorry about that everyone yeah, I think spoko was
right.
I think you just made the dlssgods angry with your amd and
intel talk I'm very sorry, dlssgods, I promised to behave
myself.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Please don't cut me off again.
I won't say anything bad, butthank you very much, stefano,
for um.
Um, you know, taking hold ofthe slack whilst I stepped out
there no worries so what are wetalking about then?
Stefano sonology are we, yeah,we're dunking on sonology ah
right, good old vendor, lock it,lock in, and the thing is as

(45:25):
well.
I wouldn't mind it so much ifthey made their own drives, but
they don't.
They just stick a label onsomeone else's drive, and so
you've got to use this.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
So to me now this is everybody does this dell hp
everybody yeah, um, it's justreally bad this.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Obviously this is my own opinion, um, and not the
opinion of lime technology, butI just think it's a cash grab.
In my opinion, um, nothing else.
It doesn't benefit the consumerat all.
Um, I really don't like it howit seems more and more nowadays
you can buy a product, you payfull price for the product, but

(46:03):
you only kind of almost getrenters rights.
So it's like buying a house butyou're not allowed to do
anything with the house, likeyou're renting a property.
That's how it feels to me.
You know you're not reallyowning it.
If I buy something, I can dowhat I want with it, and so
that's why I love unraid,because I can use whatever hard
drives I want.
You know, whatever cpu I want,and I guess that's why a lot of

(46:26):
us you know we we like to buildour own servers so we're not
locked in with hardware vendors.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
But I was playing devil's advocate while you're
away and saying like how thiscould make sense from a business
perspective.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
You know, Well, yeah, because they make more money,
Stephanie.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Well, they obviously are going to make more money.
But you know, I kind of imagineyou know the, the Dells of the
world.
You know, kind of imagine youknow the, the dells of the world
.
You know, if you're offeringtier one support, like on-site
support, for your products, youwant to be able to guarantee,
like hey, this stuff, if you buythis brand, this specific brand

(47:02):
, from us, all the features willwork, the warranty will work
you know things?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
yeah, I'm gonna, I'm going to stop you there, okay.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Right, what car do you drive?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Tesla.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Okay, so I'm not sure how Tesla's brakes work.
But okay, let's say you drive aFord.
Okay, yeah, you threw me a bitthere by saying Tesla, would you
be happy if you could only buyFord brake pads?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
No, of course not.
I don't agree with it.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
What's the?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
difference really, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
And it's like HP as well.
They had a printer I can'tremember which one it was, but
if you didn't have any ink inthe printer and you had to buy
HP ink, you weren't able to scan.
Yep, so the scanning feature,come on, man.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Look Ed first okay only boomers buy printers and
use printers to this day.
That's problem number one.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Problem number two is my mom.
Most of her life problems of mymom revolve around her printer.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah.
I think in high school I waslike this was like 2006 era.
I was like I am never going tobuy a printer for the rest of my
life and that has basicallyworked out extremely well for me
my entire life.
If I had to use a printer, Iwould just pay like the five
cents or ten cents to printwhatever I needed to, because it
was far easier to let someoneelse have those problems than me
.
A printer.
I would just pay like the fivecents or ten cents to print
whatever I needed to, because itwas far easier to let someone

(48:30):
else have those problems yeah,but um, I find it useful just
for printing shipping labels, tobe honest, like when returning
things and stuff.
I totally get it I'm there, Ihear you, but it's just not
worth the trouble.
I guess now, like we havebrother, do you have a brother
printer?
Um mine is, I think, epson I'vegot at the moment I did have a
brother, it broke down um, Ithink epson's probably like a

(48:53):
decent brand, but like there wasa point there for a good strong
minute where you had canon hpand like one other, mine's canon
.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Actually it is canon, it's a canon, yeah yeah, and
then you.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
You basically didn't have a choice and all the
vendors are doing the same thing.
Right, but no, no.
So, anyway, to go back toSynology, I completely agree.
From our perspective, I thinkwe're right, but from their
perspective, it probably stillmakes sense to do this, and
obviously they can charge abunch of money, like Dell does,
because have you tried buying ahard drive from Dell Like with

(49:25):
their servers?
They're like hundreds ofdollars.
Like a one terabyte hard driveis like $200 in 2025.
Why?
Oh, because it's Dell brandedand you have to use their hard
drives on their servers.
It's like okay.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
They have a lot of otherhardware as well that's locked
in, don't they as well?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Oh, yeah, everything.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I mean graphics cards , uh, additional network
adapters.
You often see cpus like um forsale on um ebay, like I'll kind
of be looking for kind of threadripper cpus and stuff like that
.
Then I think, well, that'squite cheap.
And then you notice it saysit's only for adele something.
So because the cpu is actuallyvendor locked yeah, that's what
I've almost.
I've almost kind of boughtsomething before by mistake and
thinking, oh you know, notreading the advert.

(50:10):
Um, clearly enough that's uh.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I don't like that either.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Oh wow, spock has a canon pixma from 2002 and it
works.
Wow, that's pretty dude.
Old, 23 year old printer.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, that's, yeah like anything basically before,
maybe about 2000.
I think that the trend startedabout 2004, so anything
basically before then is stilllike god tier as far as printing
goes.
Anything after that, man,there's no way.
I, I refuse.
I will never, ever, ever, everbuy another printer again.
They've lost absolutely 100 ofmy potential, uh, buying.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
How about a 3D printer?
Do you have a 3D printer,Stephanie?
I do not.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Is that ever something?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
that's tempted you.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I have been tempted to get a 3D printer.
I really want one, but I'malways afraid to buy one because
to me the technology is stillevolving and I'm also afraid to
get locked into a specificvendor and then be like, oh, oh
man, this other printer has allthese cool features and this one
doesn't, and so it's for me.

(51:15):
It's like a very expensivehobby that I'm not really
willing to to tack on to myalready very expensive hobbies.
So, yeah, I don't.
I don't know if I'll ever getinto 3D printing, honestly.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Also, I'm not smart enough to be a 3D printer?
Yeah, dane Down Under says youknow, just go open source for a
3D printer.
You know definitely.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I don't really even know what that means, because
you still have to buy somethingOpen source hardware.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
So you know the designs and stuff, you know you
put it together yourself andbuild the hardware yourself from
various parts okay, yeah, Idon't know.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
That stuff kind of scares me.
Open source stuff kind ofscares me sometimes because like
you could lose support at anyminute.
It's like man, it's like someof the applications we have like
uh, nerd tools, great for yearsdisappeared and it's like who's
going to pick up this slack?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
yeah, anyway.
So sonology, um, that's ourkind of opinion on that, yep, um
.
So you know it's obviously hada lot of backlash in the
community other than us talkingabout it today, so I'm going to

(52:31):
move on.
There's some rather kind of sadnews in my opinion.
I'm not sure how many of youguys out in the chat you listen
to the self-hosted podcast.
It's a huge resource and afavorite for many of us.
Unfortunately, it's coming toan end.
Chris and Alex announced it ina huge resource and a favorite
for many of us.
Unfortunately, it's coming toan end.
Um, chris and alex announced itin a recent episode and their

(52:53):
final show, episode 150, I thinkit's dropping later this month.
So yeah, that's pretty sad.
You know, to be honest, Ididn't catch every episode, but
I've got to say I always lovetuning in during long drives,
you know, down to kind of visitmy parents and things like that.
You know great conversations,lots of practical tips and they

(53:13):
really help grow the home laband self-hosting community in my
opinion.
So you know, do you ever watchthe self-hosted podcast yourself
, stefano?
Is that something you'vewatched yourself or no?
I never have.
It's not something you evercaught yourself, or or no?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I never have I honestly, I don't really watch
any podcasts.
To be honest, it's pretty.
They have to.
They have to talk aboutsomething that I'm extremely
interested in in order for me tocatch an episode, but I I
honestly don't watch anything soyou would watch it.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
You would watch a podcast on escape from tarkov.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Then I guess probably not.
Actually, yeah, it was if itwould have to be a dedicated
video about a very specificthing and I'd watch just that
like.
But yeah, I don't.
I've never been a podcast kindof person.
I think it's because I have addand like my attention just
can't deal with it so you know,I know I'm alex from this

(54:06):
self-ing podcast.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
he's a bit of a Jellyfin fan and, talking of
Jellyfin, that is our app of themonth this week and there'll be
a video on the Uncast showbeginning of next week.
All about Jellyfin, installingit, hardware encoding, et cetera
.
So look out for that.
So what media server softwareare you using yourself, stefano?

(54:30):
Are you a jellyfin user?
Plaques, mb, yeah, yeah, soyou're 100 jellyfin or do you
run anything else?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
no 100, jellyfin, that's awesome I've been super
happy with it, uh, ever since Iswitched uh from plex from plex
forever ago and, uh, I think wetalked about it a little bit
before.
I was just about to buy PlexPass and then they made yet
another change to their policyand I finally had enough.

(54:57):
I was like I'm not doing thisanymore.
I'm not doing this.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, like I said before, I'm not a Plex user
myself, I'm an MB user and I runjellyfin alongside the mb.
Um, basically because mb wasjellyfin originally, yeah, and
then jellyfin was a fork of mbwhen it went closed source um.
What I think might happen um, Idon't know what your thoughts

(55:23):
are, stefano is you know, mb'sgot its lifetime pass etc.
And all of those kind of thingsas well.
I wouldn't be surprised to seein maybe kind of six months time
, they look and see how the landlies with um, you know, and the
dust settles from the plex,price increases, and then they
increase their prices but makeit a little bit cheaper, um,

(55:44):
because they're gonna.
They must have the sameproblems with funding that plex
because obviously, if you buy alifetime pass for Plax 10 years
ago and you paid like $100, it'scost you $10 a year.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
And you can't pay developers on $10 a year, can
you?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Absolutely not I have no problem with paying for
software, but I don't.
There's just, for some reason,reason, companies just can't
keep your data out of theirhands and not and wanting to
share with their friends, andobviously the only reason why
they want to do that is to make,to subsidize costs, and it's
like and I understand, likeunraid, for example, they need

(56:22):
to make money.
They have a team of people, soI don't have a problem with
paying uh, unraid for theirlicenses.
But I tell you what the dayunraid is like.
Oh, we're gonna start lookingat whatever.
How are you using our operatingsystem and and using that for
to help us develop software andwe might share it with your
friends.
But you don't know, that is theday I will drop unraid in a

(56:45):
heartbeat.
I promise you that yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So I lost trust with um pla, with Plax, when I found
out they were you know, not thatI was a user, but when I found
out they were saying, hey,so-and-so watched this last
night.
And then you read their termsand conditions and it says we
don't know what you're watchingat all.
I think okay.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Imagine.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Unraid's like hey, ed Stefano installed this
container.
You should check it out too.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
And I'll be like goodbye, hey, Stefano.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
installed Escape from Tarkov container.
They actually do have somecontainers, by the way, but
careful, ed, that's a wholeother topic for discussion.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Anyway, like I said, I am an mb and jellyfin user and
I just wondered like how manyof you guys out there are
thinking of maybe jumping acrossto you on jellyfin, because
it's the only open source, Ithink, media server that we've
got.
But what worries me a littlebit is do you remember cody at

(57:46):
all?
Stefano?

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
So I'm sure everyone in the chat remembers Kodi as
well.
It's just like a media player.
It's not the same as kind ofPlex, mb, jellyfin that will
stream, but it's just a player,a dedicated player on a piece of
hardware, but basically becauseof the plugins that people used
to kind of stream things on it.

(58:09):
So kodi becoming like astreaming device to stream, um,
you know, copyrighted materialand you could buy like kodi
boxes and stuff on on amazon andebay and all sorts of things
like that, that, um, although itwasn't like illegal to run Kodi

(58:30):
and to develop Kodi and theydidn't actually get it taken
down, it kind of got soft banned, didn't it like?
yeah if you, if you type, Ithink, even if you do it today,
if you start typing Kodi intoGoogle, it won't auto complete
the word.
I kind of forgot they literallygot told, you know, literally,
yeah, they told google, um, thekind of movie people you've got

(58:54):
to kind of stop this fromhappening.
I thought that's prettyhypocritical really, because
obviously you know google, lotsof things are searched in google
that kind of are harmful um,and it seems that they kind of
pick and choose what they youknow they'll enforce things for
for one, while they kind of doexactly the same yeah, I mean

(59:14):
just look at youtube, look athow google treats youtube or
youtube treats itself withcreators.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Some creators can get away with oh, big tree.
The audio is great, that's good, not like last time, that's
awesome good, but like yeah, Imean it's it kind of sucks like
they can pick and choose when toapply their rules oh, spock is
sorry.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Sorry, I'm going to interrupt xbmc.
Yeah, that was um xbox mediacenter, wasn't it um spock?
I remember I modded my xbox andum installed that on that.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
That was like must be kind of 2002 man, the original
xbox was a game changer I'vestill got my original xbox, the
one I had when I was young didyou install linux on it, so you
get even more features out of itI didn't, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
No, I um, I modded it , um, and put a hard drive in
for certain reasons.
Um, yeah, um yeah, but it wasgreat.
You know, um yeah, that thatwas cody originally.
Then they, I think they changedthe name about 2014.
I think they dropped the nameand then changed it to cody to
be not kind of like associatedwith xbox.

(01:00:24):
I'm not sure if, um, if theywere kind of made to drop the
name because it was too similarto xbox or or maybe just because
it went cross-platform.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I don't know oh yeah, I don't know either.
I can't speak to any of thatnormally with like.
The only reason why I stuckwith plex for so long is because
I like to see what thecompetitors are doing and the
direction they're going, and andso I personally I feel like I
stuck with plex for way too longand should have joined the
Jellyfin train sooner.
But now I always get worriedbecause it's like you know Plex

(01:00:54):
became popular, you startedcharging money and then they
started becoming more and morelike a business and then you
know now they've gotten to thepoint where nobody will trust
them anymore.
So we've all, we're all leavingand we're going to Jellyfin or
wherever, and it's like how longuntil jellyfin follows the same
model?
And it's just like what?

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
why?
What I worry about why I kindof like went off on my tangent
about cody is that's what Iworry about jellyfin is are they
going to get soft banned, youknow, when you're a, when you're
a company and you've got kindof like you know I'm sure plex
has got its lawyers and all kindof things like that.
You know, even though plex isused, you know, by some users to
stream things they don't own, Ithink it's going to be very

(01:01:33):
much harder to kind of like youknow tackle kind of Plex and say
you know you can't sell thissoftware.
Then it would be something likeJellyfin and just the fact,
seeing what happened to Kodi, Iwould hate to see that happen to
Jellyfin.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think Jellyfin has anofficial Apple TV app either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I think it does.
Yeah, it does now.
I'm pretty sure it does.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Oh, did they just add it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I'm still using some line.
I'm pretty sure it does.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I'm using somebody else's Jellyfin app.
I'm looking at it right nowbecause I'm like, oh yeah,
finally, oh, maybe they didfinally add one nice.
Oh, that's desktop clientlightweight day and down under

(01:02:22):
saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
He used plex when he was using synology and um
switched to jellyfin when hestarted unraid.
Switched to Jellyfin when hestarted Unraid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Nice.
It's funny, you know I wasreally close to getting a
Synology NAS at one point, butit's hard to want to get a
dedicated device like thatbecause Unraid is super flexible
and I know Synology allows youto do a lot of things too.
But I've always enjoyedbuilding my own own hardware,

(01:02:51):
and synology actually at onepoint did reach out and was
asking for me to make somevideos for them.
Uh, but somehow, like theynever committed to actually
sending the equipment that theythey said they would, and I'm
kind of glad they didn't,because it'd be like hey, this
is, this is great.
Oh no, they're suddenly lockingeverybody out of using their
hard drives.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Ronald is saying that he used to use well, he said
not he used to.
He does use a media playercalled Dune HD and it works
great for local streaming.
I'm just looking that up now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I haven't heard of Dune HD.
I used to.
When I first started streamingmedia to myself, I just had a
laptop next to my TV and thenjust like the whole folder view
of my media library and wouldjust use VLC to play it.
So, depending on how the futuregoes, I might just go back to
VLC streaming.
To be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, in fact sometimes I still do use vlc.
Um, I've come to play thingssometimes and, um, I think, some
things that have either dolbyvision or hdr sometimes I'm not
sure if you've ever seen it andthe picture looks kind of green.
Have you ever played a file andit looks kind of green?
It has all weird colors, umthat might be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah, when I was, when I was in support atr or
something.
Yeah, when I was an mmb.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
You know, on mb, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
You know I don't think I haven't seen it happen
for a long time now, but whenthat used to happen, I used to
um, just open the android vlc ah, yeah and then, just you know,
browse to the um unraid share,take forever scrolling down
through trying to find, yeah,what it was, because obviously
going through a folder is muchmore difficult than that's

(01:04:39):
exactly how I got into plex,because I remember it was like,
as my, my library started grow,as I was ripping more and more
of my dvds, back then it waslike this is becoming
unmanageable, um, and so Ifinally was like, all right,
I'll duplex.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
And then it was a game changer yeah, spock is
saying that the apple tv umjellyfin app is kind of bad um
it is a third party app.
I knew it right, are you sure I, I'm pretty sure it is.
I want to double-check thisbecause I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
I think only on Apple TV.
I think it's a third-party app.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Oh, is it called SwiftFin?
Is that the one?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, that's the one.
That's the one Got it Right.
I don't know why it's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
It works perfectly fine for the way I use Jellyfin,
which is to just Doesn't itjust kind of like use like it
kind of wraps like the web GUIversion of Jellyfin.
So it's not an actual, properapp, it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Yeah, I think it's just a rubber You're using?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
And it works great for me.
I mean, I don't, I have zerocomplaints.
I go to play, I just go lookfor the content I want to see.
It's there and I play it and itjust works.
So, yeah, cool.
I always kind of get worried,like you know how, with Unraid
you'll we'll see a lot ofcomplaints about, about certain
things and it's like what areyou guys doing with your Unraid
server to have this manyproblems?

(01:06:07):
I'm always like I've beenrunning it for years and it's
just, it just works.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Maybe I'm not doing something right, maybe I'm just
using it too, I guess toovanilla basically maybe not
enough, I don't know anyway,like um, before we delve into
kind of audience question andanswers, let's talk about
entertainment a moment, as we'vebeen talking about jellyfin yes
what have you been watchinglately, stefano?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
anything, anything good uh, you probably have never
heard of it.
Um, it's, you know, not reallylike really big in the
mainstream.
It's called last of us two.
I just started.
We're just finished episode two, right okay, hang on, hang on
everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Before we speak about last of us two.
This is a major spoiler alert,because I'm going to speak about
something that happens, and ifyou haven't played the second
game or you haven't watched thesecond series yet, then please
mute this for probably the nexttwo or three minutes.
So whoa, you got to give them achance to find the mute button

(01:07:09):
so find the mute button and I'mgoing to talk about another
program, or we call it programsin the uk, I don't know if you
do in the states you call itseries, I think.
Um, I've been watching.
I started to watch a couple ofepisodes of a show called mob
land by guy ritchie.
Um, I'm not sure you've everseen the gentleman and um lock

(01:07:29):
stock two smoking barrels.
I've seen that.
That's a great.
He's the director of that.
So by Guy Ritchie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
I'm not sure if you've ever seen the Gentleman
and Lock Stock, two SmokingBarrels.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I've seen that that's a great movie.
He's the director of that, soit's kind of very much similar
to that Nice, and my friend Adamtold me about that and I
watched the first episode theother day.
It looks pretty cool.
So anyway, moving on to theLast of Us, I am actually really
really enjoying the Last of Us2.

(01:07:52):
I think they've done afantastic job of adopting the
game's atmosphere and story.
But I was kind of wonderingreally how were they going to
kind of like approach the secondseason, because the first

(01:08:13):
season was very popular andobviously Joel was was a very
popular character he's a popularactor, yep, so I was thinking
like you know, in the secondgame he gets killed off right at
the beginning.
So I was thinking, in the secondseason are they going to do the
same?
I was kind of thinking theywere probably going to um set it
kind of almost between betweenthe first and second game maybe,
and they weren't going to umset it kind of almost between
between the first and secondgame maybe, and they weren't

(01:08:34):
going to do that because I wasthinking, well, if they kill him
off they're probably going toget quite a lot of backlash yeah
and if they don't kill him off?
then, the people who love thegame.
They're going to get a lot ofbacklash.
And, to be honest, I I cameinto it watching again.
I don't think I'm going toreally like this because they're
going to kill off Joel.
I don't think I'm going toreally like the series after
he's gone.
You know, I love both the games, but I was thinking, will I

(01:08:54):
really like the series that muchafterwards?
And actually I think it'sactually being really awesome.
And the funny thing is actuallyis I told a colleague, adam, I
knew, I knew, I actually knewthat he had played the game.
So I thought, well, he knowsabout Joel dying in the game.
Yeah, so so, um, he had watchedepisode two and um, and I and I

(01:09:18):
said I said to him um, I wonderif they um are going to kill
off Joel.
And he goes what do you meankill off Joel?
What you mean Joel dies or what?
You haven't played the game.
He goes, no, I went, oh man,I'm really sorry.
And he goes oh, um, oh, yeah,no, I didn't, didn't know that
he's going.
Oh, maybe he'll get killed offlater on.

(01:09:38):
So then I went to watch episodetwo yeah thinking that joel
doesn't die in episode two.
So I'm thinking, so I'm stillthinking.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Maybe he gets like saved deus machina they're gonna
.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
they going to change it.
He's not going to die.
Maybe the whole series will beabout those people looking for
him.
They never find him.
He might die right at the endof the season.
That's how they finish theseason, basically.
He psyched me out there, that'sawesome Uno reverse card.
I think it's really great.

(01:10:12):
I actually enjoyed the um thirdepisode the other day.
I thought that was reallyawesome and, on a lighter note,
I'm really looking forward towatching andor season two now.
I haven't started it yet holdup spoilers over oh yeah,
spoiler over everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Spoiler over all right I'll put it in chat you
can, you can um, you can listenagain all right, like I say on a
lighter note, and or season two.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I haven't actually started watching it yet.
I did try to start watching itum last week, but um, I ended up
falling asleep while watchingit, not because it's boring,
that's only because I wasterrible.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Why would you say that I literally went?
No, it's just not because it'sboring a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Last week I actually fell asleep at my desk as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
You're working too hard, man but yeah, yeah, more
important question did you watchrevenge of the sith, episode
three?
No it's out in theaters.
What, yes, no, maybe not the uk.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
How come?
I don't know about this.
Because, you're not a Star Warsfan man, Definitely You've seen
my office room.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Don't you ever say that again.
I see a moon and I don't evenknow.
I don't see anything Star Warsrelated back there, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Well, even just behind me you can see the Death
Star there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
That's no moon.
That's what you're supposed tosay I missed that jack uh, let's
see episode three re-release.
Is it in the uk?
I don't know.
It's out here and you can gowatch.
Uh, revenge of the sith.
It came out april 25th, yepcool.

(01:11:50):
It says internationalterritories but it doesn't
specifically say anywhere.
You should look into it you can, I will yeah oh, you get to
watch, re-watch the anakin.
And uh obi, uh obi-wan, is thatright?
Obi-wan kenobi, yeah, that'sright.
Fight again in the lava scene.
Uh, the epic music so when?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
when did you go?
When did you go and see it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
uh, when it came out when I was a kid oh no, recently
again oh no, I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it.
Actually, I want to go watch itbecause I I didn't know it was
out until this morning and I waslike how is this not marketed?

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
yeah, yeah.
So have you watched any of, andall season two yourself yet, or
?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
um, I have not.
I've kind of you're gonna hateme for this.
I've kind of fallen out of lovewith star wars oh yeah, but,
and all's just so good.
It's like I know like it's goodthe way that episode seven,
eight, nine were handled andjust this like back and forth of
like who is star Wars for?

(01:12:54):
Like it, it's just, it's reallyjust pushed me further and
further away and I I hate to sayit, ed, but I I just don't care
anymore, like that's.
That's where I'm at I'm sorryabout that they could release
rogue one or I don't know.
Like I just I don't, I don'tknow, I don't think I'm gonna

(01:13:15):
watch and or two I and, honestly, like I really want to go see
revenge of the sith.
I'm probably not gonna do thateither, because then I'll just
be disappointed being like, wow,this is what we had.
And you know, what's funny isepisode one, two and three, I
would argue, were like when Iwas a kid I didn't really enjoy
them.
I only enjoyed the one part Ienjoyed about episode three

(01:13:35):
obviously was that epic fightscene, the wonderful music,
obviously, um, I also reallyenjoyed just like, uh, the world
building that they did.
It was like absolutely justlike gorgeous to see they did.
They did that really well forall three episodes.
But, um, I was, I was.
I think the reason why I didn'tjoin them is enjoy them is

(01:13:56):
because I have add, and it'sjust hard to pay attention to
like a lot of the, the, thechatter, the world building.
You know the politics that wasgoing on, um, but with my adult
brain I enjoy them more nowobviously, um, but man, I just
again, I don't know, man, it'sstar wars is kind of I just
don't care, I just don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Uh, that sounds so terrible I know you mean like
it's kind of lost its way a bit,but with andor I thought you
know I really did enjoy thefirst season I might.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
The first season was great.
I love the first season.
I might give the second seasona go, but I just I'm gonna.
I'm gonna play something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
I'm gonna be playing video games, so anyway, you guys
in the chat don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
You know what you're watching lately so Marcus said
he's watching the pit.
I've seen that advertised a lotwhat's that about?
So he says it's the day in thelife about er doctors.
The whole series takes place inone day.
Each episode is an hour of theshift oh wow, sounds crazy yeah
um, do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I've never I've never seen 24 I've never either no, I
told a friend of mine that theother day and he goes what he've
never seen 24, because that wasset in one day, wasn't it an
hour?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
I think so yeah, I just uh like I've never really
been a big television fanbecause I feel like they've
always added a lot of fluffbetween episodes.
Um, and they have trouble, theyand they always.
There's always cliffhangers,like right, so I've never just
been.
Why do I need to wait untilseason two?
Game of Thrones.
I didn't watch Game of Thronesuntil they were on season eight.

(01:15:34):
I just started season one bythe time season eight came out.
I hate cliffhangers.
This whole need to just like oh, we'll finish it in the first
15 minutes of the next episode.
Why, that's the game to watchthe next one.
That's fine.
Yeah, but the er from thesounds of, from the sounds of it

(01:15:54):
, it looks like it might bepretty good.
Yeah, I hope that.
Oh, this sounds terrible.
This is gonna sound reallyterrible when I say it, but like
in real life, uh, if someonedies in your ambulance, right?
Uh, you still get a bill forthe services really and so if
they do that in er, that wouldbe I'm gonna use the word

(01:16:18):
hilarious, but that's clearlynot what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
That would be hilarious because that's what
happens in real life and that'swhat I like to see yeah, because
don't you guys in the statesyou have to pay if you call out
an ambulance, don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
brother, right, you have to pay for everything.
Wow, literally everything.
And if the insurance doesn'tpay for it, you're paying for it
out of your own pocket oh, dane, dan under's watching mob land
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yeah, um, I've only watched the first episode, but,
but I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
I haven't seen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Mobland, I haven't seen the Chicago series.
That'd be one I have to checkout.
Justice saying the same.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
The pit's on Amazon, isn't it?
Is that true?
Or is that HBO?
I don't know who knows.
Who knows these?

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
things Google will know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Oh yeah, hbo, who knows, who knows these things.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Google will know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Oh yeah, I have two computer screens, three
keyboards in front of me.
You think I could just Googleit.
I've been doing that witheverything else we've been
talking about, so it's like thepit and Mobland.
I think I'm going to check outMobland because I really liked
Two Smoking and Mobland.
I think I'm going to check outMobland Because I really liked

(01:17:34):
Two Smoking, or?
I'm sorry, you should watch the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Gentleman as well.
If you like Lockstock, watchthe Gentleman.
It's really good.
It's kind of like a series.
Guy Ritchie's stuff's quitesimilar.
A lot of it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
I haven't heard about this either.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
This came out in 2019 ah, chicago, chicago Fire,
chicago Med Chicago PD got it oh, it's Chicago series my dad
watches a lot of those.
He really likes them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I've never seen any of them, to be honest yeah, so
it looks like the pit is ratedpretty well between uh on imdb
and I mean you can't trustrotten tomatoes for anything
anymore, but I so rottentomatoes is hilarious to me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Um, I can't share my screen but it's available on max
, by the way, in the us okay,max.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Yeah, I've got max.
I.
We get it through our uhbundled with our phone service.
Um ed, have you ever watchedthe movie the Last Action Hero?

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Arnold Schwarzenegger yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
So my personal opinion is that movie is a
masterpiece, um, and I thinkIMDB rated it like horribly and
and then you look at that movieand then you go look at like a
genuinely bad movie like uh uh,naruto or the Last Airbender or

(01:19:15):
something, and it's rated reallywell and it's like, do you
people even watch these movies?
Because the Last Action Hero isgreat.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Yeah, it's really good.
Spocko's saying here he'sre-watching the Star Trek series
in order Awesome, Starting nextgeneration.
Here he's watching umre-watching the star trek series
in order awesome, next startingum next generation.
Spock, have you ever seen?
Star trek continues.
It's a fan-made series of startrek.
It ran, I think from 2014 toabout 2017 18 um.

(01:19:47):
It's really, really awesome.
I watched it when um I traveledto Japan on the plane and stuff
.
I just downloaded a whole loadonto onto my computer um to
watch on the plane and it'sreally, really awesome.
Um.
It's kind of set on theoriginal enterprise and just
pretty much has, like you know,Spock um Kirk obviously pretty

(01:20:11):
much has, like you know, spockum kirk, obviously with
different actors, but it'sreally really well done and some
great stories.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I'd highly recommend checking that out if you can I,
I really wish I, when I was akid, I watched star trek.
Um, because I feel like Ireally missed out on what all
the star trek enjoyers enjoyabout star trek.
And now I feel like it's I'm sofar detached, so far removed
from Star Trek that, um, I won'tbe able to get into it and

(01:20:36):
unfortunately, I would have totake my medication and watch it
just because, like, if there'stoo much talking, I'm just like,
like you know, so you, we weretalking about last of us,
episode three.
I couldn't watch episode three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I couldn't watch it because it was just um my brain,
just I, I just couldn't, I justcouldn't focus.
I mean right, that must bereally difficult.
What that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
must be really difficult.
Yeah, yeah, and I also don'tlike being on my adderall,
because then I hyper focus onstuff and it doesn't actually
really allow me to enjoy thecontent, right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Anyway, I think let's start wrapping things up and
open the floor to a bit ofquestion and answer time about
anything from the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
If you guys got anything you want to ask either
Stefano and I, please put it inthe chat to ask either Stefano
and I please put it in the chatAre you going to try and go see
Star Wars or episode three, nowthat you know that's?

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
out?
Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah, doyou guys have?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
I'm sure you have IMAX UK yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
I think it's available on IMAX.
I really want to.
I want to take my kid to watchit, but I he's like seven years
old, so it might be.
It might be, uh not good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Yeah, it's quite, quite young.
I can't remember how old I waswhen I first saw Star Wars.
Yeah, you'll really enjoy it.
Um, spock, it's absolutelyawesome.
Like you, you will thank me inthe next podcast for telling you
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
I thoroughly enjoyed it all.
Right, here we go, from danedown under.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
I'll let you, I'll let you talk any chance of
getting a guide on homeassistant out the box and nginx?
I know tail scale is an option,um on your phone, but leaving
it on I debt all day will drainthe battery.
So basically, reverse proxying.
Reverse proxying home assistantin a box.
Yeah, um, that's something Ican definitely do.

(01:22:40):
It's um actually pretty easy todo.
You just have to um in one ofthe config files in home
assistant pretty much tell itwhat domain is accepted to come
through.
Then you just reverse proxy itto the IP address of the VM and

(01:23:00):
the port and it works reallyreally easily.
That's what I used to do foryears.
Spock said he hated Star trekwhen he was a kid and um didn't
like start sci-fi until he wasin his 30s.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Wow, you know it's funny, I was a very terrible
movie connoisseur as a child andor even tv as a child.
Like I hated, I hated thingsthat were like everyone loved.
And and then I, when I got intohigh school, like something
switched in my brain and I justand I started to learn to enjoy

(01:23:40):
things.
Uh, because I also hated startrek as a kid, but I I hated it
because it was boring, but I wasso young, I didn't understand
anything about the world, right?
So like I feel bad when I likeit's unfair to say like, oh, I
hated it because I was basicallytoo stupid to understand it.

(01:24:00):
You know what I mean.
And now, now with my adultbrain, I feel like I would enjoy
it, but again, I think it wouldbe so hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Yeah, it'd be difficult to start now, I think,
without having ever seen itbefore.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
If I'd never watched Star Trek before, I would
probably start with the NextGeneration.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
The Next Generation.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Maybe I'll give that a shot, because that's kind of
new enough to still look quitegood.
I think if you kind of startedwatching maybe the original
series because you'd never seenit before, you might just think,
oh you know, this looks kind ofterrible with the special
effects and things like that,and it just looks a bit weird

(01:24:41):
because it's very 60s, you knowI mean I can get past a lot of
that stuff because, like I meanI like godzilla and like the old
godzillas are terrible as faras special effects goes.
But you know well, I watched theother day talking of old stuff,
like when I was ill, because Ikept falling asleep all the time
.
I was kind of lying about Ithought I'm going to put
something on just to kind ofwatch, and I watched the um,

(01:25:04):
black and white, um, the outerlimits and some of them.
Some of them are actuallyreally really good because I
thought, well, I don't mind if Ifall asleep in it and kind of
miss stuff, you know, becauseyou just wake up and there's
another one on, but some of themare actually really really good
stories actually.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Um, yeah, special effects were terrible, yeah,
yeah, but you know, um, one ofmy favorite movies of all time
is uh attack of the 50 footwoman I've never seen that,
never seen it terrible, terribleeverything.
But I love it and I I actuallyforced my wife to watch it with
me, uh, maybe a year or two ago,and she was like I can

(01:25:40):
understand why you would likethis not for me you ever seen
the forbidden planet?

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
that's an old sci-fi one I have not actually that's
really good yeah, I should addthat to my list it's actually
based off a shakespeare playabout me oh well then.
Yeah, then it'll be good withwith the yeah, it was kind of it
, or whatever.
It's a really, really good andthe special effects are pretty
good for a 50s movie.
Oh wow, it looks pretty goodeven today, I think speaking of

(01:26:05):
special effects and movies, allright.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
How do you feel about people using their cell phones
in movies?
What like in the movie theaterno, no, like in the movie the
actors are like on their phones,like, do you feel like being on
a cell phone?
Like characters being on a cellphone detracts or adds to the

(01:26:30):
movie at all I don't thinkeither way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
It depends if the story requires it, you know so
well, that's true, that'sactually a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Um, so, so for I guess for me obviously that I
think your point's really good,but, like, generically speaking,
there's something about seeingcell phones and movies that
makes me less interested in themovie, and it's really hard to
say why exactly that is huh it'skind of weird, but you know,

(01:27:03):
maybe maybe you just don't likeseeing people on cell phones
generally I mean, I don't know,I'm on my cell phone all the
time, this whole time, thiswhole time we've been in this uh
, this uh podcast, or I guess,like I've been on my phone, um,
here you go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Marcus says he's a star trek voyager fan I love
voyager as well marcus, nextgeneration of voyager, two
really great series.
One star, star Trek I've neverseen, and I've never seen Deep
Space Nine, and a friend of minekeeps saying I need to watch it
.
I think I've watched Deep SpaceNine a few times, like the
first five episodes, and thennot watched it for years and
then thought, okay, I'veforgotten the first five.

(01:27:43):
So I've keep watching the firstfive lots and lots of times,
and now if I went back andwatched it again, I'd have to
start from the beginning again.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
So did you ever watch , uh, star wars, the clone wars,
animated series um, some of it,yeah, not, not, I didn't get
through all of it, to be honestyeah, I, I didn't watch any of
it for years and then theyreleased the last episode, like
a couple years ago, a few yearsago, and I was like I'm gonna,
I'm gonna try and sit down andwatch this and the first season

(01:28:12):
I couldn't even get through it,so I stopped, I just gave up on
it.
And I was reading about it onreddit and somebody was like
just start watching from seasonfour.
It'll still be tough, but itgets better and better.
And, holy cow, that is probablysome of the best star wars I've

(01:28:32):
ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
My camera likes to follow me around, ai man, I'm
gonna just change the subject alittle bit.
Yeah from from.
I'm sorry.
Are you a home assistant user,stephanie?

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
I'm not.
You've never tried it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
No, I don't.
So I have like a couple ofsmart things, but I don't like
smart things if that makes sense, oh, okay.
I do, I do.
But my problem with smartthings is the technology is
rapidly changing, the standardsare changing and like we can't

(01:29:12):
just pick one, and also I'm toolazy to program all of my
different smart things to workwith home assistant, like I just
honestly, ed, I just want tobuy a thing that recognizes my
things and it just works andthat just doesn't exist.
Like I'm too lazy to justfigure it out, right yeah, I I

(01:29:34):
thought I'm surprised to hearthat.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
I thought you were going to say, yeah, I've got,
like you know, loads ofautomation set up and nope, my
uh.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I have a an iq panel, uh, for my camera's doing it.
I have an iq panel uh, it diedlike couple of years ago and I
haven't replaced it and it wasgreat because it actually
integrated with my smart thingsand it just worked.
But I can't replace it with thesame thing because it doesn't
exist anymore and I'm afraid tobuy a new one because I feel

(01:30:03):
like it won't support my oldenvironment and I don't, and
there's everything's soexpensive.
So I'm just like you know what.
I'll just get my lazy tail endoff the off the couch and turn
the light off or whatever.
I'm like the worst person toask about smart things yeah, oh,
um must sound quite quitesurprised for yeah, and a techie

(01:30:28):
person.
You haven't tried it everythingis really expensive too.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
So, like you know, it's not, you know, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I totally disagree well, okay, okay, maybe it's not
the stuff I've looked at, like,yeah, you know, 30 for a light
switch is like no, 30 for alight bulb.
No, no, thank you.
And yeah, I have, I have a kidthat I can make get up off the
couch and go do the things.
So go change the channel overthere, young man, and turn the

(01:30:57):
light off while you're overthere.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Yeah, I remember my sister still doesn't forgive me
for this like I used to, um, wehad like a color tv and it just
had like four buttons.
Um, we only had four channelsin in the uk and I would always
tell her I'd let her have a goon a bit, on on, like you know,
the video, the console orsomething.
If she kind of will do like a,like a favor for me, so I'd say,

(01:31:22):
right, she had to sit in frontof the tv because we didn't have
a, our tv didn't have a remote.
Um, my parents um wouldn't buya new tv, that this one was like
fine.
They always said, you know,even though new tech came out.
So I just get my sister to sitin front of the tv, I'll go one,
three, two and she'd have toturn it over.
She always brings this up everychristmas and she goes um.

(01:31:44):
Then I'd ask for a girl likemario or something.
If you just turn around and say, say no, sorry another time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
So yeah, she never forgave me for that yeah, I'm
like, I'm like weird about smartthings, like I'm anti-smart
things, uh like, even so, wewent to go buy a um washer and
dryer and everything.
It was like oh you know, it'sgot bigsby and you can connect
it to your wi-fi and all thisstuff I would never connect like

(01:32:14):
a washing machine or, and I'mlike why dishwasher to?
it's just no point and it'sweird because I understand, like
as a consumer.
I understand why you know, ohman, I forgot to turn the dryer
on before I left my house.
Let me just do it for my phone.
That convenience is great,don't get me wrong, but I just

(01:32:36):
don't understand.
Just leave it in the dryer.
If you have to rewash it orwhatever, then soapy it Like
it's not.
Why are you going to spendextra money and have the extra
headache Cause the day that youneed it to work?
There's going to be aconnection issue and it's not
going to work.
Just give me a dumb dryer andwasher, please.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
There's one more thing that's going to break too
what I like using a lot of homeassistant things for is kind of
maybe more kind of like um weirdthings, I would say.
So I like to kind of like setthings up so if, um, someone

(01:33:15):
comes to the front door and thecamera sees like movement there,
it can like flash the light inmy office red, because then I
know that you know, and then Ihave it through certain hours to
do that and I know it's anamazon delivery.
Um like, I think you've seen mystairs when you came around to
visit.
That's got the kind of glass onthe stairs yeah and like what

(01:33:35):
home assistant does is when it'safter midnight it changes that
to red.
So there's leds and differentdifferent times of the night.
It's a different color so I canknow what time it is without
having to kind of look at aclock.
Um, I know it's either kind ofbefore midnight, after midnight
um, but or kind of after, after10 or before 10 kind of things

(01:33:57):
like that.
And once I used to do, as wellas when I was re-encoding all of
my um, re-encoding a lot of myum movies into h265, and I was
using um, I was using variousdifferent computers in the house
to do that um with tdar is I'vegot like solar in the house and

(01:34:19):
so that is linked into homeassistant and so what it would
do is if the solar was kind ofgenerating um like too much and
my house batteries were full, itwould turn on um one of the
servers with a gpu on and thenit could do its transcoding and
so it was using the surpluselectricity yeah, like so all

(01:34:40):
that stuff, so I didn't have soI didn't have to kind of, like
you know, pay to do it becauseelectricity being expensive here
.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
But yeah, but don't get me wrong, I love automation,
all that stuff is really cool,like what you just said.
That's fascinating, likegenuinely fascinating.
But I guess I'm just likesomething's wrong with me
mentally.
I'm like it takes two secondsto just for me to do it.
You know what I mean.
Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Like you know, a lot of peoplewhen they use things like Alexa
and stuff go Alexa, turn on thelight.
I think I would never usethings like that.
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
I'd rather so.
Home Assistant makes a lot moresense than using, like Alexa or
Siri or literally otherproducts.
Like I'm there, like I fullysupport Home Assistant, like I
think it's a great product.
Everything I've ever ever seenanyone do with it is amazing.
Like I love it.
But there's just somethingwrong, fundamentally wrong with
me, and I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
I don't know no, there's nothing wrong with you,
man, it's just not.
It's not for you, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
apparently not.
I mean, I just I did just theidea of sitting down to set it
all up, just like I'm like likeno thanks it is.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
It is like um, it's a rabbit hole and it's horrible
setting it up when you've neverdone it before.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yeah, and I've never done it before, so it would be
extra work, and then, once youdo learn it, I'm sure it becomes
easier.
But then what if somethingchanges, and now I've got to
relearn?
It's just not for me.
It's not for me, all right.
So shall we end the show herethen?

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
yes, I think I think you know it's pretty much time
to wrap up.
There's no more questions fromthe audience, so thank you very,
very much, guys, for joining ustoday.
It's been great to have yourcompany, and thank you very much
to stefano for, you know,taking the time to be here as
well.
And thank you for when thestream broke, um for um

(01:36:32):
continuing.
So, anyway, um, until nextmonth, guys.
Um, take it easy.
Um, we'll catch you in the nextepisode.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Bye.

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