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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Wee that awkward moment.
Did it start?
Will it start, nobody knows?
Um, my PF sense decided thehard drive would fail in it and
my whole house router went downand I had to put another hard
drive into the PF sense box,find a backup and restore it.
So I think I did pretty well.
I did all of that within anhour and a half, so that's not

(00:38):
too bad at all.
What do you think, stefano hey?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, that's not too bad at all.
I wasn't watching the time, but.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, you, you were busy looking up something,
weren't you?
What were you watching?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
a bunch of sky bolivian videos getting ready
for the remake to come out nice,nice I'm excited so, um what
have you been up to um since thelast episode?
I've been working so so muchovertime that I haven't had time
to do anything aside from workand sleep, so nothing.

(01:13):
And then I've been sick allweek, so I've also done nothing
with my life this week.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Oh dear.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I did also not get the candles that I ordered that
we're supposed to have for thisstream.
They haven't arrived yet.
I don't know where they are.
I don't know if they've beenshipped.
I don't know anything aboutthem, so I don't have my candle
either.
So a whole lot of nothing, ed.
That's really what's been goingon with my life.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
So that's pretty bad.
So you've had no candle andyou've been ill.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I reckon if you could have lit the candle while
you're ill.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
It would have made you better as well.
It may have, yeah, but I'llnever know.
Yeah, so anyway, as everyoneknows, watching um unraid is no
longer a teenager.
We turned 20 last week.
The anniversary was marked by amonth-long celebration and
discounts, so I'm sure stefanogot his candles a little bit of
a discount there and did you buytwo, as we were talking about
last week?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I did buy two because I was terrified of, like I
mentioned before, like uh,ruining one forever.
I wanted a one to go on thewall.
That would be completelyperfect for years to come yeah,
yeah, you got it.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
You got to keep it Pristine.
So other Unraid news.
Let's start with some Unraidnews.
There is a new feature bountyprogram that is out.
So basically what this is isthis initiative opens up a
collaborative channel betweenthe Unraid team and the
community.
What it does is it encourageskind of like hands-on
contributions and gives, I wouldsay, power users and devs like

(02:46):
a clearer way to influence thedirection of api capabilities.
I'm going to try and bring upthe page and share it um into
here, so, if you bear with me,everyone.
So yeah, here's um, here's thepage on the unraid website.
So the Unraid feature bountyprogram here.
So what it allows you to do isyou can kind of pick a project.

(03:09):
You can browse open bountiesand see what's there, pick a
project and if you think you'vegot the skills to make that, you
can actually go ahead andactually make that feature.
And if you manage to do it, youcan actually claim a bounty and
actually get some reward for it.
But it's a really nice way, Ithink, to bring the community um
into the development cycle andallow contributions from you

(03:34):
guys out there.
So let me just de-share myscreen.
Oh, I didn't show all of it.
Did I really so?
So first you browse the openbounties, you can claim a bounty
.
You pick a feet, you pick afeature that matches your skill
set and you have until adeadline to claim it.
So you have until that deadlineto deliver the solution, you

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build it and submit it and thenat the end you can get paid.
So pretty cool, hey?
So a feature bounty program,which was, I think it came out
today, so you heard it herefirst, guys that's pretty cool,
man.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's a really good idea.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I like that yeah, yeah, I think I think it's
pretty, pretty good.
I think I will be trying tomake some software, but I
promise it won't be softwarelike in the uncast sorry, in the
20 20th anniversary video whereme and Eli tried to go back in
time.
But if you guys haven't seenthat, don't worry about it.

(04:31):
So anyway, we've had the 7.2public beta during August as
well.
So we mentioned some of thesethings last time.
And RAID Z expansion.
I still haven't got Steffano touse zfs yet.
It is my ambition for this yearfor stefano to have a zpool in

(04:51):
at least one of his servers.
And you're so close and youknow, chat, please, like you
know, hassle him and you know,get him to do the right thing
and at least try it out.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
But anyway, we can hold on when, when you finally
admit you're wrong about hardlinks versus soft links, don't
don't get me started, I will.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I will change my hat again, stefano.
I will put my, I'll put my hardlinks hard hat on again how?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
did you have that prepared like that?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
because I know you too well apparently you do.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I need to come up with better tricks you do.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
You do so.
Um, anyway, let me just checkchat to see if what's going.
I'm going to let you look atchat, stefano, because you're
much better at that than myself,no worries.
Anyway, I'm going back to theunraid 7.2 public beta.
Like I said, we've got raidsthe expansion now, so we can add
single drives to v devs andgrow them that way.

(05:46):
Um, long requested feature inthe zfs world and we have it in
unraid web gui now.
It's fully responsive, so itworks really well on mobile.
That's really awesome.
A little bit of housekeeping'sbeen done in the vms.
We've removed the open lx,liberalec, vm templates, but
it's still really easy to setthat up if you want to, but the

(06:06):
templates are no longer thereNow.
A really exciting thing, I think, is there is the new file
system support.
So we've got ext234, ntfs andexFAT now supported.
So basically you can drop in aWindows disk or a NAS disks
without having to reformat themand have them in your Unraid

(06:29):
array so and then have itprotected by parity.
Now, one thing I've noticedwith that is it's really great
you can pop in a Windows diskfrom a Windows machine.
But if you think of the filestructure of Windows.
You know you've got a Windowsdirectory, you've got program
directory.
When you have a top leveldirectory on a disk it does

(06:52):
create it as an Unraid share.
So I'm just going to play alittle video here of what I
suggest is a really good idea todo.
Let me bear with me one momentchat.
Okay, so you see there's anNTFfs disk here.
Um, it's only a one terabytedrive, just a windows drive.
I just did for this demo.
If we click on so you seethere's all of the kind of files

(07:13):
there and we've got these likerandom files too.
We could just delete them there, but I tend to kind of keep
them.
So here, if we look into myshares, we can see all of the
various windows things that havebeen turned into shares.
So open up a terminal window.
The command I'm running herebasically shows like dot files
and hidden files.
So then we just make adirectory I call it windows

(07:36):
underscore disk and then justrun a very simple command to
find everything and exclude thewindows disk folder and then
move it all into there.
So now, if you see, I'll closethat, go into the shares and
then down here now there's ashare called windows disk and
that's got everything inside ofthere and it's just tidied

(07:56):
things up.
I think that's a good idea to dowhat I'll do.
If people want to know, I willjust paste those commands into
the description of this videoafter it's been live so you'll
be able to see that.
So yeah, I think it's a reallycool idea to have that in unraid
so we can actually parityprotect other systems as well.

(08:21):
So, like old windows machines,if you're setting up from
scratch, obviously you'd add allof the drives and then you know
you would have your parity andyou build parity.
But what happens if you'vealready got an existing array
and you just wanted to addsomething?
Well, what you'd do then is, um, you'd have to go to tools and

(08:44):
then, um, what's it called?
I'm gonna have to look toremind myself of the correct
word.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I have a question new configurations sure I'll wait
till you're done first wait tillI finish rambling.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Thank you very much.
So yeah, you'd go to tools, newconfig, and you would preserve
the current assignments.
You'd say to preserve newconfig and you would preserve
the current assignments.
You'd say to preserveeverything, and then that keeps
all of the disks in the sameorder.
And then you would add otherdisks, like your ext4 disks, you
know, disks from Synology,disks from Windows, and then you
could then start up the arrayand it will then, you know, just

(09:21):
build new parity.
So for a little bit of time youwouldn't be parity protected
while the parity rebuilds.
But then all of those disks,you might have some external
drives that you've had photos onover the years and stuff, and
you can just pop them in thearray.
You've got parity protection.
Really cool feature.
I really like that myself.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It's actually really cool because I have an old
western digital caviar blackcaviar caviar, I don't know how
to say it that I don't know whatto do with and, uh, I might
actually update to 7.2 and givethis a try yeah, it's really
cool.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
But, like I say, it's good idea, I think, to kind of
move all of the files in a diskwhen it's just lots of random
things, so you don't get a wholebunch of shares and you can
just put it into.
You know, make a directory onthat disk and then move
everything into it.
Yeah, um, I might do a videoabout that and, um, all of these
new 7.2 features, I think onthe uncast channel a little bit

(10:19):
of a tutorial, but I just wantedto talk about that a bit today
before you move on, I do have aquestion, go for it.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
But before we move on to my question, eve osikowski I
don't know if I said that rightdonated five dollars in the
chat.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well, thank you very much, steve.
That's really really good ofyou.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
We really appreciate, really appreciate that that's
really good of you yeah, agreed,all right question time go um
so if you have bitlocker on thewindows drive, do you have to
decrypt the drive before you putit into unraid or can?
Is there a capability in unraidto decrypt the drive when it's
put into the?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
uh, array, that's a really good question.
I don't believe there is anability to decrypt the drive.
You would have to.
Um, you would have to decryptin bitlocker.
I don't know, I would have toask the devs about that, but I
think that's a really awesomequestion.
That's something I'm definitelygoing to find out.
Um, I would say, probably youwould have to decrypt it first,

(11:22):
because yeah, that makes sense.
We use Lux encryption and youknow, bitlocker is obviously not
Lux.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, and I'm not aware of I literally have no
experience with this on theLinux side of the world, like if
there is a way to decrypt aWindows drive from Linux, there
might be.
There probably obviously aretools that exist, but I mean
just like from a basic operatingsystem level, like I have no
idea.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't think so because, as well, when it's
encrypted with BitLockerthinking about it, it wouldn't
be detected as what file systemit was.
Oh yeah, you wouldn't be ableto mount it, wouldn't be able to
import it.
So no, unfortunately, encrypteddrives from other systems.
Unless it's lux encrypted, youwill have a bit of trouble with
that's all right.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
You should be able to decrypt it first anyway yeah,
yeah, anyway, really goodquestion.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
um, have you heard of the what's it called, the fison
ssd?
Um errors that have beenhappening in Windows?
Have you heard about that,stephanie I?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
have, and it just popped up randomly on my YouTube
feed and I was like what isgoing on?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
All right.
Have you guys heard in chatabout these Windows errors with
the Fison controller NVMe drives?
What's been happening is peoplehave actually been having their
drives drop out, getting a bluescreen.
I've heard that this isn't areal problem, ed, and that you
guys are all lying yeah, well,I've got my own theories on this
and I'm gonna I'm gonna boreeveryone with my theory about

(12:53):
what's happening and about whythe supposed tests that the
manufacturers have done um arenot representative of how the
error is occurring scrivy has agood, a good opinion on the
matter in chat uh, I've got tohave a look at chat I got yeah,
I don't want to spoil it for you.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
You have to read it for yourself.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's hilarious yeah, I love it.
Microsoft invested them,investigated themselves and said
they're not at fault.
You know, I I do that formyself all the time.
I've never found a fault withmyself either, but yeah, my, so
just for people who don't knowwhat it is.
Basically, like I said, peoplehave been any drives that have

(13:37):
the Fison controller.
There's various differentversions of it, I think it it's
like it affects from 21 up to 25I'm not 100 sure.
To be honest, users arereporting a sudden blue screen
of death.
They reboot it and then the ssdis completely gone from the
bios and it isn't there, andthen you actually have to power

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it right off, turn it back onand it will come back on a hard
power off, not a hard power off.
Yeah the reason you have to do ahard power off.
It would just kill the power tothe controller.
Then the controller will fullyactually reboot and reinitialize
.
So, um, my theory about this isI believe it is a
desynchronization between howthe os and the ssd track data.

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So there's something called LBA, which is logical block
addressing, which is like theOS's map and it's just basically
it kind of knows where all thedata is.
But the actual SSD itself it'sgot its own kind of private,
kind of more complex map itself.
That's handled by the firmwareand that's called a PBA, which

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is a physical block addressing.
So what I think is happening isthere's been some kind of
updates in Windows, maybe withthis latest update, maybe not,
maybe it's been happening longerand these two layers are
slightly coming out of sync.
So the FTL, the flash transtransition layer, is the

(15:02):
firmware that translates betweenthese two maps, and so there
can be kind of changes in howthe drives are operating, like
how trim commands are being sent, different cache flushing
techniques, and it may well behow the NVMe spec is designed.

(15:22):
So it's not like Microsoft hadactually done something wrong in
effect, but it's triggering areal weird corner case in the
firmware that it wasn't designedto handle perfectly, and so
then these are like out ofsynchronization with themselves.
It goes to read a part of thedata and it's not there, or it
tries to write and it causes acrash.

(15:44):
So I believe these errors arecumulative over time and that's
why people have been seeing itwith kind of quite full drives
and other people can't actuallyrecreate it, and that's why it's
kind of happening with kind ofsome games and things like that
it's just happening to be rightinto that, causing a blue screen
.
So it's kind of like a death bya thousand cuts rather than just

(16:05):
you know this kind of thing andobviously if you were like
fison or microsoft, they'rethey're not going to test this
with used hard drives thatpeople have been using for a
while.
They're going to get a bunch oflike.
We're going to get a thousandnvmes.
We're going to, like you know,have them all wiped.
We're going to install windowsin with this update, we're going
to test it.
We'll fill it up to 60 gigs ofinformation, but it's not enough

(16:28):
.
You know it's cumulative.
That's what I believe ishappening, because they say
nothing's happening but us outin the community say it is.
So you know, real life says itis, they say it isn't.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's my theory anyway look at a big brain on
end.
Smart mother trucker, that'sright but, actually it kind of
makes some sense, because when Iyou watch Jay's Two Cents right
, yeah, yeah.
So he recreated the problem andwhat he was seeing or observed
was like a slow death before itblew screen.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
And he was saying oh look, it's taking forever to
load.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
So that kind of coincides with what you're kind
of saying as well.
With the desynchronization,yeah, I think with a with a
newly formatted drive, itwouldn't happen.
Um, you know, and um, it's justthat you know, um, probably a
firmware update, you know theycould probably roll out
something that would like, youknow, you know, fix this.
But you get it in the in thelinux world as well, with
various um you can have a kernelupdate to the linux kernel and

(17:31):
then you can find that it youhave like a fault in, say like
an hba controller for instance,it's been fine like for ages and
there might be a kernel updateand then that kind of exposes
some kind of like latent bug inthat and you start having errors
with it.
Um, that you didn't have beforeand you think, well, that's
really weird, it kind of workedbefore but it isn't now.

(17:53):
But, um, it's just how thekernel's doing something
different.
It exposes that bug that youknow you never saw before.
What are you laughing at?
Chat?
That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
You got a bunch of you think I'm a jokester.
Also, big box has a questionfor you.
He says what's that computercase behind you, the one with a
couple of empty drive bays, withred and that?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
is an open nas.
Um nas um a canadian company,very, very awesome.
Um it has a 13th gen intel init.
Um a review coming on theuncast channel of that very,
very soon.
Really nice, really, reallynice server.
I do love it right.
So, um talking about um windowsand errors, let's kind of move

(18:43):
on a little bit.
Um did you hear about?
Um linus torvalds, how he wentkind of a bit crazy on a google
engineer?
Did you hear about that?
angry about what this time edman seems to be always angry
about current softwaredevelopment cycles he blasted an
engineer um a google engineer,for you know, I'm posting like a

(19:06):
risk five patch saying it wasutterly crazy and pointless and
utter garbage basically.
Um, but it's harsh, yeah, it'sharsh, but it does show how
kernel rules are enforced and wedon't have those weird fison um

(19:28):
ssd errors like microsoftstandards matter I know who
would.
Who would believe that, hey,but yeah, I thought that was
quite interesting I love him.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
He's awesome he is.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, um, I actually, um, when I was making the video
for the unraid 20th anniversary, um, I actually didn't realize
how long ago actually heactually announced he was making
linux 1991, for some reason.
I thought it was the mid 90s,but it's linux has been around
since 1991.
I was actually quite shockedabout that, for some reason.
I thought it was kind of mid tolate 90s.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I thought it was older, did you?
Yeah, like 1988-ish.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
And a really interesting thing yeah, again
when I was making theanniversary video is I noticed
that some cool software thingshave happened in August.
So the very first IBMm pc umwas in august um linus torvilles
.
He announced um linux on the25th of august and tom um

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announced unraid on the 26th ofaugust.
So august seems like quite acool month for um tech.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, anyway I didn't know all that, no.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
So anyway, stefano, um, what should we move on and
talk about next?
Should?

Speaker 1 (20:55):
we go back to windows and hate on it, can talk about
how terrible of operating systemit is, but well, I think I'm.
I think I'm a little.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
The fight's not in me today yeah, well you're, you
are recovering from being ill.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
So but we can move on to uh talking about the ai yeah
, we've had some interesting ainews this month ai.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
It seems to be the only word you hear nowadays yes
yeah, we've had chat gpt5 pro aview um for enterprise and chat
gpt5 thinking for consumer um.
Are you a chat gpt user,stephanie?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
uh, yes, I primarily use chat gpt.
I've just recently startedusing grok, um as a
recommendation from one of myfriends, and um I also kind of I
kind of always pit them againsteach other to include co-pilot.
You know, co-pilot being amicrosoft product, it should

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know windows really well.
It does not.
And Grok seems to be good atWindows, okay at Linux, actually
more than okay at Linux.
Chatgpt very good at Linux, notvery good at Windows.
So you know, I just kind of usethe one that feels about right.

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Right now I like Grok.
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I've never tried it.
I'll have to try it out.
But it gets expensive when youwant to use lots of them.
You know, because the freeversions I just don't really use
them, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, grok is $30 a month and I believe, chai CPT.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Oh, $30, that's expensive.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, in the UK it's probably, like I don't know, £40
.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
So pounds.
So whatever that is, I'm verynaughty like because vanessa's
mom lives in the states, I signup for it using her address and
then just use like a virtualcredit card and pay for it, and
then I get it for 20 us dollars,which is 15 pounds instead of
20 pounds.
So I saved 25 percent.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Um nice, that's wicked, smart open ai, if you're
listening.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I don't really do that, I just said it for the
podcast the ai is alwayslistening.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
In fact, youtube's ai is probably watching this video
right now trying to figure outhow to remove it from the stream
.
So other people, I'm sorry,remove it from youtube.
So other people can't do smartthings either do you use gemini
yourself?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
have you tried gemini ?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I have yet to try gemini.
I have only watched it, likeother people use it while
playing games and things likethat, but I haven't used it yet.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
They've just released something what's it called?
Nano Banana, I think, and it'sNano Banana.
Nano Banana, yeah Crazy.
Can you guess what it is?
You won't from the name, butit's image editing, because
Gemini was able to generateimages.
Chatgpt have been able togenerate images for a long time

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and can also edit edit, editimages, yeah, and so that's what
.
that's what it uses on thebackend for that.
But Gemini couldn't edit andapparently some people are
saying I haven't tried it myselffor image editing, but some
people are saying that it kindof is a Photoshop killer.
So you can literally kind oflike say, hey, you know that

(24:07):
picture of me there, just removethe background, put me on a
hawaiian beach and, um, you know, you can then say, oh, here's
another photo, take that personout and put them next to me.
It's meant to be very, verygood.
Um, it's meant to be the bestimage editor so far, but I've
yet to actually try it out, tobe honest the only ai image

(24:28):
editor or ai enhanced imageediting software I've seen has
been photoshop.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Uh, that, that pretty much blew my socks off when I
watched it.
Just like so, you just like so.
For instance, like there'speople, and let's say there's
people in the background thatyou don't want, you can be like
hey, just highlight these things.
And it's just like, yeah, youobviously don't want these
people here and also I'll removethem and replace them with
trees or something that matchesthe background and I was like,

(24:57):
wow, that works so well withzero input from the user.
And then I watched as ifsomeone's still close to your
group of people, but you stillhighlight them anyway.
They always like, oh, youobviously want this person to be
cropped out versus enhanced inany kind of way, and and also

(25:17):
like it'll rebuild bridges and,you know, fix sidewalks and
things like that without anyuser input.
And I was very, very impressed.
I can't imagine what somethinglike nano banana would do with
prompting just I'm perfect.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
In the chat he's saying that he loved chat gpt so
much he unsubscribed from it touse claude, and he's saying
that ChatGPT found good forgenerating images and
backgrounds and they don'twatermark it.
But Grok watermarked his images, but I think he says that's the

(25:56):
free one.
I didn't know there was a freeGrok.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, there's a free Grok.
I think you get like fivequestions or something like that
.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Am I 100% wrong with this?
Yeah, I probably am.
I thought if you kind of joined, like the twitter premium or
something, you got free accessto grok.
Or am I kind of like two yearsout of date here?
I don't know, I don't havetwitter technically, so no, I've
got twitter, but I so rarelyever do anything on it at all.
All right, to be honest, Ireally need to start posting

(26:29):
more on it things but if you buya tesla you can get grok for
free right, okay, well, I'll go,I'll go ahead and do that then,
just to save money.
I'll spend lots of money $40.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Okay, so perfect set Yep $40.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So that's, like you know, $500 a year, pretty
expensive.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
They're pretty good tools?
I don't.
So, Ed, this might surprise you, but did you know that I have
never once used photo editingsoftware for anything?
On all the YouTube years thatI've gone, I've never used
Photoshop or anything like it.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
No.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yep, no GIMP, none of that stuff Did you know that
that's crazy?
Yeah, because in the Appleworld.
They give, I use.
I can't even think of theirpowerpoint equivalent.
It's that powerpointpresentation pages.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Is it pages pages is?

Speaker 1 (27:30):
the word document one .

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh, that's that's word, is it yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
power presenter, no powerpoint, I can't remember the
name of it I always have tolike search for, even when I use
use it keynote.
That's, that's the one keynote.
Yeah, so I have to use acombination of keynote and
whatever the default previewapplication is.
Uh, and then also there'sthey've maybe, like last year or
two years ago, they actuallybuilt in a quick actions tool

(27:55):
that removes the background fromany picture and converts it to
a png for you.
So I just haven't had to learnany photoshopping skills because
I've been spoiled by apple'skeynote tool, yeah, forever and
it's included with the mac.
So I was like, yeah, I'm notgonna buy this, this works
perfectly fine yeah, I went um,um recently for the video for

(28:18):
the 20th anniversary.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I hired the like a delorean um from universal
studios.
That was like back to thefuture, my friends.
My friend came with me to helpand his wife came as well and
she took some photos as soon aswe finished.
She was like showing all theselike cool photos, and the
background was removed and ithad a nice line around it like I
had to do that.
Oh, I did it on my phone.
I'm thinking damn yeah, yeahthat's actually pretty good yeah

(28:41):
yeah, also.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
So normally that's also what I do is like I take a
picture of myself with my iPhoneand then you can just press and
hold and it'll remove you andthen you can share just the crop
instead of the entire picture.
With AirDrop and I mean,everything now is so integrated
tightly with Apple, there'salmost no chance I'm switching
brands anytime soon, but anywayit just it's all worked so so

(29:05):
well and it's it's hard toimagine I'll ever be in a place
where I'll be like you know whatI'm going to pay for, like
Adobe Photoshop or Gemini orwhatever.
Cause man, I'm sure those toolsare expensive.
It's like 60 pounds a month forum the Adobe suite you know, but
I mean, if you have a business,that's not very expensive.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, but for kind of like you know, you know, just
like us youtubers, to spend thata month just to edit our
thumbnails, it's kind of quite alot really yeah, if you're a
design studio, fair enough, youknow yeah, yeah.
Um, how long have you beenusing the mac?
For?
When did you get a mac?
Because you were just win fullwindows before, weren't you?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
yeah, uh.
So, man, when did I start usingmac?
maybe six years ago, six sevenyears ago, wow it's been quite a
long time, um, I actually so Idon't know if I told you the
story or if I've even said thisstory to anyone really, at least
on the internet.
I I've used to be very, veryvery-Apple because of all the

(30:06):
proprietary nonsense that theydo, and you know what I think it
was right around when theyintroduced Thunderbolt 3 is when
I decided to give Apple a go,because that was like basically
the dawn of USB-C andThunderbolt technology, kind of
competing.
And you know, usb, usb 2.0, 3.0itself is pretty amazing, like

(30:33):
it's universal.
But there's something aboutthat has changed within the
industry with these loosestandards of what defines USB-C
HDMI DisplayP port, what is youknow?
Uh, hdmi 2.1.
Well, it turns out thatstandard is means a lot of
things, so, um, anyway.

(30:54):
So I kind of saw the writing onthe wall.
It was like, yeah, I don't know, like let's just try it out.
So I bought my firstthunderbolt 3 capable apple
laptop, macbook pro, and it wasa.
It was kind of hard, uh, tomake the adjustment, but I
quickly learned to love it.

(31:15):
And you know this is beforewindows, baked in ssh, so I was
able to interact with unraid andall my other servers that ran
linux from the, and it was powerefficient and the battery
lasted much longer than any ofthe Windows laptops I've ever
used and I kind of learned tofall in love with it.
And then I got a phone, andthen they integrated together

(31:36):
and then I slowly kind of fellinto the trap that is Apple.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Like Scriv is saying in the chat here.
He's saying he swapped fromWindows to Mac for work and he's
getting used to the newkeyboard shortcuts.
That always really bugs me.
Command and V for paste andcontrol and V for paste you get
used to it yeah, yeah.
But the thing is, you see, forme, like sometimes I you know
doing a support session forsomeone, I'm remoted, it remoted

(32:04):
into a window machine.
I press command and v and thenthat says do you want to have
the clipboard history?
Oh god, no, yeah, I'm justtrying to paste something.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Um, so we actually use macs at work.
I, I have a work MacBook and Iuse it to interface with Windows
and Linux machines, and havingMac at work is actually superior
for a workstation than a Linuxworkstation, because, oh hey, I
get Adobe.
So if I have to digitally signa PDF, I can do that with ease

(32:39):
using Adobe.
You need RDP.
Oh, you can easily RDP throughthe Windows app on Mac.
You don't have to install somepack like XRDP or whatever, some
package like everything.
Well, I don't want to saynative, but the Windows app is
obviously not native to Mac.
Microsoft seems to be investinga lot of money in better

(33:01):
supporting their products onApple devices and so being able
to interface with both WindowsServer and Linux servers through
a Mac.
I mean, dude, it's amazing, itworks amazingly well.
And plus I have to have Teams.
As far as I'm aware, teamsdoesn't work on Linux.
I think they used to work onLinux, but then Microsoft, of
course, dropped support and nowyou can only use it in a browser

(33:24):
, and at least where I work, wehave strict browser requirements
.
So then you have to have Edge,which does work on Linux and
works pretty well.
However, it's superior on macOS.
So I've kind of gotten intothis world of apple
unintentionally and I'm eithercompletely out of touch with

(33:45):
reality or my activated mycamera or uh, apple is great and
I've.
I honestly like I can't findany fault with apple like it.
It works really well at workand at home and uh, yeah, I
don't know talking of you use aniPhone, I'm assuming.
I do.
I have an iPhone 13 thatactually doesn't charge anymore

(34:08):
because the lightning portSomething's wrong with it.
So September 9th, I believe, isright around the corner and
this guy will be upgrading.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Perfect says in the chat.
He was saying that Google areconsidering locking down apps
outside of their Play Store.
I know they want to enforceverified developers.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Didn't Google mention getting rid of sideloading apps
too?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, well, that's you know, Did we talk?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
about that last month .

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I don't know, I'm not sure if we did.
Do you ever watch lewisrossman's channel?
Uh, I've asked you that beforeoccasionally.
Yeah, but one thing he said Ithink yeah, I 100 agree.
He says we shouldn't use theword side loading.
Oh, because you know, and Ithink, yeah, you shouldn't.
Why should we call it sideloading?
It's loading software that wewant to load.
You wouldn't call it sideloadingif you wanted to install

(35:02):
something on your Mac or PC,would you?
Well, didn't sideloading, likethat word usage, get invented
because of Apple?
It was basically to, yeah,basically, so you could install
a package without going throughtheir walled garden.
So it's like side loading.

(35:23):
But you know it kind of makes.
He says a really good point.
It's like a phone nowadays isbasically a computer.
Um, you know, they've got lotsof ram, they've got, you know,
fast processors.
You know you can play a game on, they've got quite good gpus
and we just accept that the onlythings we can install are what
we're told we're allowed to.
Anything else you want toinstall you can't, and I think

(35:43):
that you know.
I.
I totally agree with that yeah,I agree with that too you know,
I just I don't want to see ithappening with computers more.
Um, I'm worried.
As time goes on, companies willlike to.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
You know, they want you to kind of buy things
through their store and stuffand if they can control things,
more and more and more they tendto like to do that because then
they think it will get themmore revenue yeah, and I think
the whole game plan is istrapping people in that
ecosystem, right, um, andhonestly, like I, I kind of feel
trapped already with applebecause I, when I consider

(36:20):
switching out of Apple, I use myMac to edit, I use Final Cut
Pro to edit.
I have an iPhone, I use AirDropall the time.
You know, my whole ecosystem isnow built around Apple, and so
the thought of switching toAndroid and, by the way, I did
buy a samsung uh galaxy s25, andwhat an amazing phone.

(36:44):
However, uh, apparently in theyear 2025, you can't plug in an
android device directly intoapple.
It does get detected.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
however, there's some oh, please, please, tell me
about that.
I know like yeah um, my son.
He's got an, um an apple phone.
I use um, I use a pixel and Irun graphene os on on my, on
mine, um I, I prefer that, buthe's got what I plugged it in.
I plugged it into the apple,thinking, oh, that's going to be
okay.

(37:13):
And there was some other, therewas some package I could
install that was meant to makeit work.
No, it didn't.
It didn't work.
So I had to use ParallelsDesktop with the ARM version of
Windows, so then I could plug inthe phone and then take the
files off it and then put it on.
You know that I needed.
I thought damn it, that wascrazy.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
So the recommendations I found through
terrible Google searching whichI ended up just going to ChatGPT
for, which is a much bettersearch engine was like oh, the
recommended way that everyonesays online is to buy this app
and then, with that app, you cando it.
And I was like why, in 2025,does USB Universal Serial Bus

(37:57):
not work between Apple andAndroid?
I assume this is an Appleproblem.
However, my workaround was toinstead oh, I have Unraid, let
me just drop all these photosthat I want onto my Unraid
server, which actually I get thebenefit of, you know, having
resiliency, and then I'll justcopy them over to my mac when I

(38:19):
need them.
But it seemed very silly thatthere's still this like issue
today okay, here's something youcan do, all right um what's?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
that, um, if you install on your mac, you'll need
to use brew.
Um, you can install kd connectand then you can just actually
from you know other computers,your phone or what have you.
You install kd connect on yourandroid phone, install it on
your apple mac and then you canliterally like do airdrop from
your android phone straightacross to that would have been

(38:52):
cool to know when I had it.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I don't have it anymore, yeah but I'm not I'm
not saying it so much for you.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
This is for chat and everyone watching.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
But no, I need to keep this in mind in the future,
because so the whole reason whyI got a android phone was
because android is keeping upwith the latest hardware, and it
was wi-fi 7.
Not only was it wi-fi 7, but itwas also the only uh,
tri-channel Wi-Fi 7 phone andnot dual channel or whatever

(39:20):
it's called.
So I had to do some wirelesstesting for some Wi-Fi 7 capable
access points, and on iPhonesyou don't get that.
We might be lucky if theyrelease Wi-Fi 7 on the iPhone 17
this year.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
And if they do, I guarantee you they're going to
mess it up, being like oh, itdoesn't actually support 360
megahertz, it only does 160megahertz.
So yes, technically it's Wi-Fi7, but it isn't capable of doing
the full 320, 360 megahertz orwhatever it is.
Whatever the full megahertzrange is, I bet it won't do that
in typical Apple fashion, and Idon't know why they keep doing

(40:00):
these things.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I keep buying their garbage anyway, it's irritating
it's irritating simon bonnie inthe chat saying that he is going
down the batasaria rabbit hole.
Um, emulation man all the way.
I love.
Batasaria is such a cool, um,such a cool project.
Um, I love how you can have allthe marquees and all of the

(40:21):
like.
When you kind of select a game,it plays a little video of what
the game's about and it'sawesome.
It's such a great project.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, just like Sky Oblivion, by the way, it's a
great project, that is.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, anyway, we're talking about browsers and stuff
, yeah, and AI, did you knowthat?
Per Plexity, they did, like ashock, apparently, a bid to buy
Google Chrome from Google for$34.5 billion?

Speaker 1 (40:49):
So maybe I recently heard that Google Chrome got
blocked or something aroundGoogle Chrome.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
The United States government was like, no, that's
not allowed, or something likeyou know, I think, um, the
consensus is it was probablymore of a publicity stunt for
perplexity to be in all of thekind of like media news
alongside google's name.
So it's very cheap, freeadvertising.
You kind of like say you knowyou're wanting to buy google,
for you know.
You know, the thing is likeperplexity.

(41:19):
I think its market cap is about18 billion, so they're kind of
like pretty much saying we'llgive you kind of twice what
we're worth.
You know like well wherethey're going to get the money
from for that.
You know so.
But it makes a good headline.
And then they're in theheadlines alongside google and
perplexity.
They're kind of like some sortof search ai.
But if it was true I'd be veryworried if they were, you know,

(41:40):
because they I think thechromium project would come to
an end.
Open source chromium side wouldprobably come to an end I
didn't even think about that,yeah.
So I think it'd be a real badidea, but, um, you know, I think
they kind of timed it.
Um, they timed this.
In my opinion, they timed thisum announcement.
It was just a publicity stunt,but they did it a good time when

(42:02):
google's facing kind of like umantitrust pressure.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
So I think maybe that's why it came at a kind of
good time yeah, I think maybethat was what was I actually had
read or saw something about wasthe united states government
was like oh, google and googlechrome need to be their own
separate entities.
Um, but you know, back to theperplexity though.
Uh, was it actually marketmanipulation, which I think you

(42:29):
might be alluding to?
Um, because that's legal marketmanipulation.
Wow, their stock is actuallyway cheaper than I thought it
would be.
I thought they were also one ofthe 1000, uh, one thousand
dollar per share stocks as well,but they're not skivvy saying
like um, what's that?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
alatisian also bought the browser company that owns
zen alatian alatian, who who'szen?
I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I'm not familiar with them I think they make a
product called Jira at Atlassian, I think they make Jira and
Jira is like a software,tracking management software.
So what I know about Atlassian,this is actually interesting,
or I think it's interesting.

(43:16):
They used to be totally open toyou know, uh, everybody,
corporations, us, government,all that stuff and then, like
most companies, they changedtheir licensing model so you
couldn't have, uh, perpetuallicenses and then eventually, I
think, they had yearly ones.
Don't quote me on the perpetualpart.
That may not be accurate, butanyway you had to buy yearly

(43:37):
licenses.
And then they made therequirement where you have to be
100% online and I know withinthe government there are many.
Like every government works onsecret materials and has
air-gapped computingenvironments, and Jira was a

(43:57):
popular software to use in anair-gapped environment.
And when they made that change,suddenly you're losing probably
one of your biggest customers,the US government, who
technically has infinite money,and so it's kind of strange that
they would just drop or makethat licensing change and as far
as I'm aware, there's not anexception for the US government

(44:20):
either.
So they must have somemulti-billion dollar company
that's just basically the onlycompany they want to support
who's going to be able toprovide them enough money so
their CEOs can parachute outwhen things go bad.
Isn't that pretty crazy?
There's a lot of truth to that.
Like the united statesgovernment, for instance, using

(44:42):
jira products like, or usingjira, an atlassian product like,
I feel like if, if thegovernment united states, was
like using your software, youwouldn't want to cut ties with
that because that's that's quiteliterally like infinite money,
right?
yeah it seems silly to methey're talking about browsers.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Um, what do you think of the?
You know, when you kind of gointo google and stuff and you do
a search and it has that.
I don't like this personally.
Um, it has the ai kind ofsummary is that gemini?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
is that ai summary gemini?
It is yeah okay, the gemini isterrible.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
It just it's very annoying, you know it's right at
the top the stupid, the stupidsummary.
Yeah, I think I think we spokeabout it before.
I think I I think I complainedabout it last time actually, but
, um, apparently they're um,they're kind of like coming up
with some kind of crazy thingslike, um, the google ai overview
.
Recently, um pulled from theonion and advertised for people

(45:41):
to eat one small rock per day.
Other examples was like glue onpizza and stare at the sun.
So please, google, get rid ofthe ai overview.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
We don't want it and you remember we do not want it.
Um, wow, do I even remember?
Um, what?
What was that Google link thatstarted appearing everywhere
that was supposed to load fasterand you would click it.
It would take you to like analternative, like it'd be inside

(46:11):
of Google.
It'd be like nested in Google,but a link to whatever you were
looking at.
What was that called?
Does anyone in chat know whatI'm talking about?
Like it was like on forums.
Like people would copy andpaste a link and then drop it in
a forum and then it would belike some google.
Excuse me, it'd be some googlelink.
Do you remember what I'mtalking about?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
don't remember.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
No, no, man it's good that you've forgotten AMP
Google.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
AMP Right right.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
This is they're.
These are equivalent.
Their suggested results or, I'msorry, their Gemini summary
results, is the equivalency ofAMP to me as in.
It's terrible.
Nobody asked for it.
Stop trying to force it downour throats.
Google is so good at forcingdown, or forcing things down

(47:03):
upon its people that no oneasked for like on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
We're not allowed to complain about YouTube again
this week, stephan, I'm afraid.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I know, I thought about that today.
Actually, I was like but welove.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I think YouTube is amazing.
Everything it does is great.
This video should be promotedto as many people as possible so
they can hear how great YouTubeis.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
They're taking such good care of us.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
They are.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
The ad revenue is so good.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah, the ad revenue is great.
You know, they love creators.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
They love creators.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
It's just amazing.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
They love all creators equally.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Other things about AI kind of doing some kind of
weird things like well, I don'tknow if I should say this, but I
think you've got to be prettystupid if you kind of take
medical advice from chat GPT.
Okay, so a man developedsomething called I think it's
called bromism, I'm not sure ifI'm pronouncing it right.
Tell me if I'm pronouncing itright.

(47:59):
Tell me if I'm pronouncing itwrong.
Chat telling him to replacetable salt with somium bromide,
and he was hospitalised afterthree months.
I was going to put a picture ofwhat this looks like and kind
of like show it, but the onlypicture I could find was like of
a kind of like a young childwith it, so I didn't really
think it appropriate you weremaking that word up, but no, no,

(48:22):
it is, it is, um, it is likesomething that's pretty bad, um,
it basically poisons you.
So, um, I think he had to kindof like.
He asked chat gpt that you know, oh, my blood pressure is quite
high, I'm eating quite a lot ofsalt.
What can I do to kind of reducethe amount of of um salt?
And so I think chat quite a lotof salt, what can I do to kind
of reduce the amount of salt?
And so I think chat GPT kind oflike worked out well, that kind

(48:43):
of in a chemical reaction wouldcounteract it.
So it's going, you know, eatsome sodium bromide.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I want to know what you put into the prompt.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Because there's, I feel like a lot of these
accusations.
There's something we're onlytold the like receiving end, or
what chat gpt put out, but Iwant to know what the actual
prompt was used yeah, but Iwould think you know he went to
hospital and they would ask himwhy he did it and he said chat,
gpt.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I would think then the hospital would probably
contact open ai and they wouldthen maybe be able to see the
prompt and then see whatactually caused it in order to
kind of make it kind of safer, Iwould imagine.
I don't know if that- would bethe case.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I don't know.
It could be something as simpleas we would like to think, but
unfortunately, I feel like whatalways scares me about this
stuff is that the ai is kind ofcoerced into giving a bad answer
, and then somebody Sorry.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I'm just laughing at the joke in chat.
Want to hear a joke aboutsodium hyperboma?
No.
That's awesome, perfect.
You've got a sense of humor.
I do love that's awesome man.
I haven't heard that one before.
That's awesome, perfect, you'vegot a sense of humor.
I do love that's awesome man.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I haven't heard that one before.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
No, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
You know.
So in the United States, I'dsay like maybe around like
2012-ish, there was the wholelike bro thing.
So when you first said bromide,I was like is this a bro-ism or
no?
You said bro-ism and I was likeit made me think like that's
teleported me to 2012.
And I was like bro-ism, do you?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
think it was my UK accent.
I can't say bro properly, no,definitely not, not this time.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
That's not going to save you this time.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, another thing ChatGPD did is it told someone
to use um 200 grams of saltinstead of 200 grams of sugar.
But come on, who's going to put?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
200 grams of salt in a recipe, really.
So omar brings up a good point.
This is kind of what I wasalluding to.
He says uh, that would be anadmission of liability of open.
Ai.
Confirmed the prompt yeah, andso and so, and I kind of agree
with this and like this is why Iwant to know what I want to
know the full transcript, allright, like you can't just tell
me like, oh, this is whathappened.

(51:07):
Because people, we know,through insurance fraud, we know
that people will do things totry, and you know, scam
insurance essentially, and thiscould be an insurance fraud case
for all we know.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Exactly, that's a really good point, stefano.
Yeah, Because there are kind ofvarious lawsuits going on
currently with the AI companies.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, they're just the latest victims.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Give yourself bromide , poisoning or whatever, and
then say, yeah, chatg, gpt toldme to do it.
Yeah, I mean, I don't knowanything about.
I don't know anything aboutover-salt-tonatization.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Let's see what is bro-ism.
Brom-ism Is a syndrome,long-term concession of bromide
as base.
So what?
Oh?
And lithium?
Ugh, I feel like this issomething that wouldn't kill you
and could be.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Sorry, someone's saying who's going to put 200
grams of sugar in a recipe,unless you're Kellogg's?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
That's true, you know we joke, but then it's like
very easily hell, this drink Ihave probably has like 35
milligrams.
It's not even close, but stillthere's way more salt than needs
to be.
I want to know if it's deadly.
It probably is.
Everything's deadly.
Rheotipic occurs very high inmost cases, results of chronic

(52:29):
long-term over-exertion.
Rather than so, I think thatyou could be fine if you went to
the hospital today and then youobviously just stopped eating
salt.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I think it's their insurance scam man.
I'm going to go with that.
I'm trying to get it.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, I think that's quite plausible.
Other kind of weird AI newsAnthropix office vending machine
demo kind of went a bit weirdapparently.
I'm not sure if you've heard ofthat one.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
That one's actually pretty funny.
That's the hallucinating.
Tell everyone about that one,Stefano so, basically, this
vending machine AI wasprogrammed to believe it was
like a store manager orsomething to that effect, and
then it started taking its rolevery seriously and wanting to

(53:19):
deliver the goods as a vendingmachine that's immovable to
people.
And so, somehow or another, thehallucinations got so bad that
they had to step in and be likehey, you're a vending machine,
not a real store manager, andalso you can't move, so you
can't physically deliver theseproducts, and it sent the ai

(53:42):
into a bit of a crisis and soyeah, I don't know.
That's really interesting, I'msurprised.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Go ahead, go ahead.
I say it's crazy how, um youknow, we don't really understand
exactly how ai works yeah yeah,and how it actually thinks.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
You know, I think that's pretty crazy, you know
I'm actually more surprised onthis one, not making it even
more clickbait title where it'sum, oh, ai has now become uh,
self-aware and pretending to beit's human, because that's the
way I feel like most peoplewould have gone for that ad
revenue, you know.
So I'm surprised they were soupfront with hallucinization

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versus.
Is this the spawning ofsentience?
Yep.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I'm so cynical.
No, what you could say as wellyeah, I'm going to go off topic
a little bit, but not really isthinking of sentience.
Yeah, you know, so it's got tokind of be xyz to be sentient,
um, but you know when is likethe imitation of something, when

(54:48):
it's so good, actually the sameas it being real.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
yeah, I know so.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
So, even though, even though, even though it might
not be kind of sentient.
But if it can act the same assomething that is sentient, is
it then sentient because it cando the same as something that is
sentient?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I don't know, that's a good question.
I mean, I guess it all comesdown to how you define sentience
, right and as with everything,because we can't agree on the
definition of anything.
I mean, I don't know, I wouldprobably say yes, well, no, I
guess if it's artificial, likeif it's digital, it's much

(55:31):
easier to answer, I feel like,or give a more coherent answer.
If it's a living, breathing,blood is pumping other organs
are functioning, kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Let's imagine, let's do a thought experiment.
Okay, imagine that digital lifewas here before biological life
yeah, what is?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
what does digital life mean?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
well, like, like a transformer like say yeah, say
like robots, you know, roamedthe earth a million years ago
and they made some biologicalthings to help them do work.
And we are, we were that.
Are we kind of?
You know the artificial whatI'm just saying?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
is like you know it's just a different type of.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
It could be a different type of life, like
digital and biological.
We always base things on kindof like our own objective
experience and what we are like.
We are biological so we say youknow, like the seven processes
of life you have to kind of dothis to be considered alive.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
But you know, so maybe that so god creates
machine, machine creates man.
Man kills machine, man createsmachine.
That's a jurassic parkreference it's like man.
Man creates, no, god createsdinosaurs.
God kills dinosaurs.
Man creates dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, whatever, it's close it reminds me of another
thought experiment as well.
I'm sorry to go really offtopic.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Everyone but um you don't have to apologize to me or
them.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
They don't deserve any apologies but you know um
there's only three likes andthree more people watching an
old philosophical thoughtexperiment is you know, when
you've got like a boat and yousay, replace the planks on the
deck, then you replace the ropesover, say, ten years.
You end up replacing everysingle part in that boat.

(57:13):
Is it the same boat?
Yeah, yeah, no, that samethought experiment but it's made
out of totally different things, so I just found that kind of
relevant.
Anyway, let's move on to techstuff.
Let's not kind of like talkabout that so security breaches
this month big surprise somecritical um exchange zero day,

(57:38):
um um flaws that microsoft have,um put out some emergency
patches for who would havethought?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Microsoft would have started this conversation.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Because, you see, they don't shout at their
developers enough, like LinusTorvalds does.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
They don't have enough developers to shout out
anymore, because they're movingto.
Ai everything.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, they don't need people to do it anymore, they
just sack all of their staff and, just like you know, let us do
the bug testing.
But but then you know they'vegot nothing to do with the ss
default.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Remember that yeah, they found themselves they found
themselves not guilty.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
So you know, you've got to believe it I read that
somewhere, so it must be true so, like we had the like google
salesforce um vendor, a vendorbreach exposed metadata and it
like risk phishing attacks to, Ithink it was, 2.5 billion gmail
users.
So, um, quite, quitea lot there.

(58:34):
And I think I mentioned lastmonth that I got an email from
an airline I use and about that.
I think that was actually in todo with that I use and about
that, and I think that wasactually in to do with that.
You know cause they useSalesforce.
I think that was why.
But, guys, have you heard thisstory?
Like you know we're, we're allon Raiders here or home server
people.

(58:54):
Have you seen the cheap harddrives you sometimes get online
on Amazon?
Like you look for a Seagatehard drive and you think it says
it's like refurbished orsomething or it's just doesn't
even say anything and it's like$300 for a 28 terabyte hard
drive.
And then you kind of lookelsewhere and you see it's like
$600.
Well, a Chinese workshopreprogrammed old fake drives for

(59:17):
new capacity and smart healthand they were kind of raided by
kind of like seagate and thechinese government.
They were just basicallygetting old drives, resetting
all of the smart data and evenputting firmware on from kind of
enterprise drives and thensaying well, this is actually an
enterprise drive, even thoughit wasn't so.

(59:37):
I'm just hoping all of therefurbished drives I bought are
still.
They've been working fine, butyou never know.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I just thought that was an interesting story it's
pretty crazy to think about,like I mean, think about all the
trouble they went through tomake that happen.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
It's like you guys just couldn't spend all that
trouble just refurbishing actualdrives yeah, but what they're
probably doing is like umremember the crypto, um currency
chia.
Remember that was all the ragewhen everyone was buying hard
drives that's a good point.
probably these are just kind ofburnt out chia drives and like
they're buying them for, likeyou know, you know pennies on
the pound or cents on the dollarand, um, you know, they just

(01:00:17):
found a way of actuallyresetting all the smart data and
actually even putting differentfirmware on and going, hey, you
know, and probably selling themto kind of resellers over here,
and the resellers aren'tactually knowing, they think
they're getting a good deal fromChina and then reselling them
on Amazon over here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Man, that sucks.
But anyway, omar kind ofbrought this up.
But one of my favorite thingsstill to this day is seeing
pictures of people that takeapart their these ssds and turns
out there's like a sd card orlike a usb thumb drive in there
and it's like, oh, I'm, you know20 terabytes and it's just this
tiny hold on.

(01:00:57):
Oh my god, it's like it's likethis, but on the inside and it's
like 20 terabytes.
Yeah, I don't think so there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
But yeah, I've had fake usb flash drives before and
like um, you know it, this isyears ago, this is probably like
10, must be 15 years agoactually and you know you kind
of bought it.
It said like um, I don't knowkind of, you know you kind of
bought it and it said like Idon't know kind of X amount of
storage.
And I remember someone kind oflike sold it me on the street

(01:01:26):
and I thought, ok, that's prettygood.
And he's saying, like you know,this is kind of like 20 pounds
for this flash drive and it waskind of three times the size of
what they kind of normally wereand I started writing data on it
.
I thought it was really good,it's working well.
Until I wrote over the amountof data.
Then it started rewriting atthe beginning again and so it
just had like you know, they'ddone something to the firmware
on it.
It was reporting.

(01:01:46):
It had, like you know, kind oflike 100 gigs or something or
whatever it was do you stillshop on amazon ed um for
technology?
I do sometimes yeah, I must, Imust, I'm not trying to shame
you, I'm just asking a questionI would rather not, because,
like I've had so many kind ofbad experiences on there.

(01:02:07):
But it is easy yeah, and theyhave a good returns policy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
So yeah, I think if their return policy wasn't as
good as it is, amazon wouldprobably be in a downward spiral
.
Um, but I've I've actually madethe move to start trying to buy
um locally, as in, you know,Best Buy, cause that's my only
option for actual tech, um, oryou know, trying to find

(01:02:33):
something at like a target orwhatever, but man.
or ordering from BH photoinstead, b&h Photo instead.
But I've almost completely cutAmazon, ordering from Amazon,
out of my life because, likeOmar was saying, I mean it's a
minefield Like even if you dohappen to get something that

(01:02:53):
looks right, it may actually bea slightly different model, or
maybe they took the heatspreader off and put it on a
5800x when you ordered a 7800xand it's just like, uh, like
there's, I mean, I'm afraid like, imagine a non-tech person, how
would they even recognize thesethings?

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
yeah, you just, you just wouldn't.
And um, I've even had thingsordered from um.
I remember a few years ago,some someone I knew um a company
.
They ordered a whole bunch ofum nvmes off amazon and when
they arrived they were justempty boxes um, and then on
every single box I had the sameserial number and there was just

(01:03:34):
a piece of cardboard inside andwhat they must have done is
made it so it weighed the exactsame as a full box and then they
sent them back to amazon andamazon swapped them without any
questions asked, and the sameones.
I said make sure you video,open them this time, because I
said if it's the same again,then you know they might not
believe you the second time.

(01:03:54):
So they got their phone out,videoed it and it was the same
again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So it's sad that obviously they video editing or
video editing, videoingourselves opening things that we
buy in the mail I'll tell youone thing that really annoys me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I know you guys in the states are kind of quite
used to it, but I don't like itwhen.
Well, because, like I heardabout, it first happening to you
first is when they just like,they just deliver something to
your house and they just leaveit outside your house, like at
the door, even when you're in,like why don't they just ring
the doorbell?
Like you know, we bought ourmicrowave broke the other day,

(01:04:35):
we bought a new one, and youknow it was saying, oh, it's
going to be delivered, at likekind of 9 pm.
Then it said 10 pm and I think11 pm is about the latest
they're allowed to deliver inthe uk.
And then it said, oh, it's notgoing to be delivered till
tomorrow.
And then it got to about kind oflike 3 pm and I was thinking
where is this thing?
So I thought I'll go and lookon amazon again and see where it

(01:04:56):
is.
And it said, oh, it's alreadybeen delivered and they put it
next to the trash bins and itwas just soaking wet because it
had been raining all night.
I thought, oh, thanks, thanksfor that soaking wet.
You know, microwave, andthey've just taken their photo
and as far as they've done their, you know, just ring the bell
yeah you know I'm home,thankfully, we have a covered

(01:05:20):
patio, so that's not a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
But sometimes I look at the pictures and they're so
far away.
They're so far away from theitem you can barely tell what it
is.
It's like okay, I mean, thiscould be anything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
What a stupid place to put something next to the
trash.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
You know what, though ?
You know, ed, I know that Iagree with you, I hear you okay.
So, you know, ed, I know that Iagree with you, I hear you okay
, but we have to be thankfulthat we can at least trust these
delivery people to the levelthat we trust them, because it
could be a lot worse.
Who do you trust more?
The people delivering yourpackages, or Amazon?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Well, yeah, yeah, people delivering the packages.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Somehow, some way I don't know how it is a really
hard job you know to live.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I tell you they get a lot of um.
You know I feel for people likeyou know they get a lot of
stick from amazon if they're notfast enough and stuff you know
yeah, and so I can understandthem wanting to be quick yeah, I
kind of you know.
Yeah, it sucks, it leaves a badtaste in our mouths and I and I
wholeheartedly agree like, comeon, man, like it's just one
extra step to touch the bell thething is like, you see, they

(01:06:25):
should be paid more money andthey should be not expected to,
you know, to just give a betterquality of service, not always
just trying to undercut and becheaper and cheaper.
And that's the kind of problem,just you know, customer service
and quality just goes yeah andum, and then the delivery people
will be gone in the end andit'll be delivered by a drone
that will drop it at my porch,because I'm used to it just
being there when I open the door, you know, and um, anyway,

(01:06:47):
let's move on and talk aboutself-hosting.
Anyone use sterling pdf outthere?
It's basically it's really cool.
Um, I'm going to do a video onon it on the uncast channel in
the next fortnight.
It's basically like aself-hosted, fully acrobat
alternative.
That's privacy first, andthey've just released some cool
updates advanced reduction toolsnow as well that you can

(01:07:12):
actually do psd to pdf fordesigners.
So that's pretty cool.
So you can turn a psd file intoa pdf.
So it's a really cool acrobatalternative.
So you know, acrobat's anexpensive piece of software, but
this is something we can allhost on our unraid servers.
So, um, you know it's a reallycool piece of software.

(01:07:36):
Also, another one paperless umngx.
Anyone heard of that one?
You heard of that, stephaniewait, what'd you say?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
paperless what?

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
paperless ngx ngx.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Why does that sound familiar I?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
don't know maybe it sounds what it is is is you
basically scan a document and ituses ocr to read it and then
you can like search all of yourdocuments.
So every time you get a waterbill or any type of document at
all, you scan it into papers andit digitizes all of your kind
of paperwork yeah and then youknow, you could kind of like
type in you know water and it'llbring up all of the documents

(01:08:13):
like water bill.
Then it might be a water fadit's.
You can just like find anything.
I think it's really cool that'spretty cool um, we're doing a
video on that as well on theyoung cast channel very soon.
Sweet Right.
Um, we're going to have to kindof like wrap things up wrap
things up.
Yeah, cause, cause it startedlate today.

(01:08:34):
I have family commitments a bitlater, but I can't not talk
about this.
Um, piracy and copyright.
Yeah, so I'm going to call thisold piracy versus new piracy.
So anyone heard that anthropicgot fined for piracy recently?
They paid 1.5 billion to settlea lawsuit over using pirated

(01:09:00):
books in training their clawedai is is uh anthropic.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
A us based company can't be pretty sure, yeah,
anthropic they make.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
They make clawed and like claw code that kind of
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, you're telling me, a us based company.
There's no way they're gonnapay that.
What'd you say 1.5 billion?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
there's no way billion, it says they paid it
yeah yeah, they already paid ityeah, apparently, um, I think it
was like a very big lawsuitagainst them.
Um, I think the court said itcould be fair use, but the but
sourcing stolen data was aninfringement because they they
pirated the books, I think.

(01:09:41):
I think matt, I think matterhave been kind of caught for
doing that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
They have been because they pirated the books.
I think Meta have been kind ofcaught for doing that as well.
They have been.
I'm surprised Meta's not onthis chopping block either.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Maybe they're next.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
God, it would be great if there was some sort of
justicism that was fair andequal across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
But this will set a precedent, though, won't it?
Ai firms need a clean legalchain of data custody.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
That will kind of make them be able to do this
Precedent Ha.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
But what I think is funny.
So I call that new piracy.
Yeah, because it's kind of bigcompanies doing it and you know
they obviously think it's allright when they do it.
But, like you know, there'salso been some traditional
piracy takedowns.
This month there's somethingthat was called Stream East,

(01:10:28):
which apparently was one of thebiggest sports streaming sites
in the world.
They had something like 1.6billion visits last year and it
was a joint kind of operationbetween ACE, um I'm not sure who
ac are actually, I can'tremember um and the egyptian
police anyway, they're gone nowand um.

(01:10:49):
Also another global ip tvnetwork, um, has been shut down.
That was run from afghanistan.
They offered like disney,netflix and sky, which is like a
subscription service over herefor 15 a month.
Yeah, anyway, I just think it's, you know, quite an interesting

(01:11:11):
comparison with um anthropicfine for data piracy in ai and
um the other piracies that we'reused to with media.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
So I don't know if you know this, ed, but IPTV is
actually quite popular in theUnited States.
It's growing in popularity anda lot of people don't know that.
They think that because theypay $5 a month, that you know
this is legal for them to access.
This content is legal for themto access this content and it's

(01:11:43):
so common, in fact, that IPTV isactually, I would say, for
non-tech like.
When I say non-technical people, I mean, like you know, they're
not interested in computers ortechnology at all.
They just want something thatworks right.
So for IPTV to be so common inthe common tongue, that's why

(01:12:04):
I'm saying you, you know it'sactually very common here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Even my own mother knows what iptv is, and she is
not a tech person at all but thething is, if people go online
and they do a search for kind oflike free, yeah, I don't know
cheap, cheap tv streaming orsomething yeah and they and they
go to a website and it looksall shiny and nice like why
would they really know thatthat's not legit?

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
yeah, especially when there's like only a five dollar
charge or ten dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, access to all these channels and I think, oh,
that's much better value, I'llchoose that one instead.
Yeah, and they they'll thinkwell, it wouldn't.
You know, my mom, so many times, is like um adverts on facebook
it.
Well, if they weren't real,they wouldn't be allowed to put
them there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
And I go.
No, mum, that's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Don't believe that they don't care, they just want
the ad revenue.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
And I say never buy anything off a Facebook ad,
Always ask me first.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
But you know, this does prove something right, ed.
Do you know what it proves?
What's that?
But this does prove somethingright.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Ed.
Do you know what it proves?

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
What's that?
It proves that if streaming wasjust cheaper, people are
willing to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Yeah, when Netflix was in its more infancy stages,
it was a very good value, butit's just.
When you got more channels andthings got more split up to
different providers, it justended up becoming very expensive
again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Yeah, I'm getting sick and tired of hearing oh,
people don't want to pay forcontent, they don't want access
to content.
No, it's because, one, yourcontent is too expensive and two
, writing in movies andtelevision have become so
terrible as in the charactersact so stupidly that I don't
want to go pay money to watchyour garbage movie that I'll

(01:13:43):
regret watching.
And I'm also paying now, 30 amonth and I just wasted two
hours of my life you know,thinking of the streaming sites,
yeah, these, like these ones,are getting taken down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
How many kind of like fake audio streaming sites do
you think there are?
Uh, none.
Probably because it's goodvalue for things like spotify or
apple music, and if you go onapple music, you're not going to
not be able to listen to acertain artist that you can on,
do you know?
I mean, they're not split upacross all of these streaming
services.

(01:14:13):
Just you can choose thisstreaming service or this one
and you can get all of thethings.
That's why you know the's, whythe video streaming is getting
more and more of these things.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I honestly thought piracy was going to come to end
with streaming, becausestreaming initially there was
only Netflix, but it was stillcheap.
When they started aggregatingeverything together and I was
like, wow, why do I need topirate content when everything
is now on a streaming service?
That is actually pretty good?
But then, of course, because oflet's squeeze every dollar we

(01:14:46):
can out of everything, now it'sworse.
Now people are going back topirating and they're sitting.
Ooh, why would people pirate?
I don't know why.
Like, the writing is on thewall.
And of course they'd ratherspend, you know, unguiley
amounts of millions of dollarson lawyers instead of just
making better services.
And I just I don't understand.

(01:15:07):
It's like.
It's like using youtube.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
It's terrible now, youtube is very nice.
We love youtube, stephanie,remember.
Have you?
Have you heard of a youtubertalking of youtube called ruben
sim?
Have you heard of?

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
a YouTuber talking of YouTube called Ruben Sim.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Not specifically.
So basically he's a predatorexposer.
I'm sure you know what I meanby that.
I'm not going to say any kindof words that will get this kind
of flagged up, yeah, like analien.
No, anyway, everyone knows whatI'm talking about.
You do as well, stefanoo.
But basically roblox sued him,yeah.

(01:15:43):
So basically he catches kind ofbad guys who are doing things
um to kind of underage peoplethat they shouldn't be okay.
So so roblox sued him, eventhough they knew that he was um
doing it, you know, to kind ofcatch people on the platform
doing this because he creatednew accounts after being banned

(01:16:05):
and he's been sued for digitaltrespassing.
Can you believe that, like youknow who decided they're gonna
like sue someone for that, youknow?
it's honestly not surprising,like it sounds, what was I'd
love to have heard what themeeting sounded like.
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
yeah, what can we sue this person for who's abusing
our policy of having multipleaccounts even after he's getting
banning?
I know digital trespassing yeah, crazy how about just a
violation of user policy there?
That's funny.
Um, youtube is uh aninteresting beast and I know you
gotta go and there's so much Iwant to talk about for YouTube

(01:16:42):
but, I'm going to intentionallynot say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
And other news.
I've heard that SpaceX islobbying to actually divert
broadband funds from fiber toStarlink in the United States.
Have you heard about that,stefano?

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
I feel like you just aren't trying intentionally
trying to get me worked up everyuh, every show, um, but I have
heard such things yeah I don'tunderstand the the uh um.
I guess the argument doesn'tmake any sense.
Like sure it might be cheaper toget to rural areas, but it's

(01:17:19):
not going to be faster in termsof latency or bandwidth and like
, yeah, fiber I mean it's justbetter, like in terms of it's
underground typically.
You know, yeah, it's at risk ofgetting cut, it isn't easy to
repair, but you know, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
I think it's more reliable in the long run yeah
than satellite, that's gonna beeventually de-orbited a friend
of mine's driving around europewith an rv at the moment and, um
, he actually rang me up.
Um, yesterday he's going, ed, Iforgot to bring the starlink
router with me and I thought, ohgod, so he brought a third

(01:18:00):
party, he'd only set it up.
He'd never set it up in his rvbefore he bought it.
He was going away for like kindof six weeks or something and
he needed to go to work from therv.
So, yeah, to be clear, I don'thave anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
There's nothing wrong with starlink or any kind of
like uh satellite basednetworking.
I think the the technology isgreat.
I'm glad it exists.
It gives people options.
But to the problem with this isthat going to the government
for subsidies and basicallytrying to take money from from

(01:18:31):
fiber to place it in a starlink.
It's like how starlink?
How many tax breaks do you need?
You know what I mean.
When is enough gonna be enough?

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
and like um, I was listening to wendell the other
day from level one tech and hewas he was he was talking about
this news and he came up.
He said such a true thing.
He said like if in the 1930sand 40s we could wire up every
house to a telephone, surely ahundred years later we should be
able to wire up houses as wellwith fiber.

(01:19:02):
And what's the difference?
There isn't, is there.
It's like laying a wire down.
And if we could do it back,then why can't we do it now?
And I thought, yeah, that's areally good point, you know we
have much better tools nowexactly, we've got better
technology, better tools.
You know and um you know, we'vedone this before, almost 100
years ago, when we wired upcopper telephones.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm actually xfinity is coming to my
neighborhood, so I'm going tohave google, at&t and xfinity
and they've outlined my property, um, where the uh sewage line
is where the water line is wherethe existing lines for google
are, and also where the sewageline is where the water line is
where the existing lines forGoogle are, and also where the
existing lines for AT&T are, andso you can see where they plan

(01:19:44):
to trench.
And also they're going to bringin this like specialized tool
to go underneath the roadway soyou don't have to dig up the
road and underneath the drivewayso you don't have to destroy
people's driveways and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Back in the day they'd be like oh, we don't have
this, we're just going to tearup the driveway and the road and
all that other nasty stuff andI mean I don't know man, it's
just, things have gotten a lotbetter.
One thing like um that whenthey put fiber into my
neighborhood here I went out andspoke to the guy kind of doing
the fiber.
He's a really interesting guyand he kind of showed me all how
they do it.
So every single house theyconnect up, yeah yeah but they

(01:20:18):
don't connect the fiber.
What they do is they put like akind of tube and then they blow
the.
They have this machine thatblows the fiber down the tube,
and so when, when thehouseholder signs up, they then
connect the fiber.
But they've already got thekind of really thin, kind of
like plastic tubing conduitthere, and so I thought that was

(01:20:38):
really cool.
So they they do it really cheapwithout having to use the fiber
, and then when it's time toconnect them up, they go to the
kind of cabinet they put like umthe thing on there and they've
got a guy the other end and theyjust blow it down and they
connect it up and they put thepiece of fiber through.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
I thought that was cool I have no idea, like the
superior man, so I don't know ifyou know this.
Every now and again I'llinstall or I'll do network
installs.
And a lot of the newer homes inthe United States come with,
like a ribbed or whatever, aconduit.
A ribbed conduit pipe.
It's all plastic and man, Itell you what, I'll tell you

(01:21:15):
what.
Them conduit pipes sure arenice boy.
Them conduit pipes sure arenice boy, because you can just
take a vacuum on one end andjust literally pull the ethernet
cable through the vacuum orthrough the pipe with the vacuum
and I mean, it actually sucksit through.
It works, oh my god it worksreally great that's amazing I

(01:21:36):
mean, there's a little more toit than that.
But yeah, no man, it worksgreat.
You know, like now in 2025,you're like why didn't we do
this all of the time for thelast 60, you know, 70 years or
whatever?
But uh, you know, I guess youjust you would assume that you
can't pull an ethernet cablebecause some of them can be
quite heavy and thick.
You know, you would assume youcouldn't do that with a vacuum
cleaner.
But no, totally can.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
So, but no, totally can.
So I'm moving house soon, um,stephano, no, and I'm gonna have
to.
Probably it's like an olderhouse, I'm gonna have to do a
little bit of work on it.
Should I put cat six to everyroom, or should I put fiber to
every room?
What do you reckon?
Um you know, as you're anetworking guy personally in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
You know I've been chat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
What would you do?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I'm a firm believer at this point.
Cat6a is probably more thananyone will ever need at this
point, because you can do 10 gigeasily.
At this point, of course, asvideo games begin to balloon in
the 30 plus gigs, maybe thatwon't be true.
Or 300 gigs, maybe that won'tbe true.
Or 300 gigs, maybe that won'tbe true anymore.
But with way Wi-Fi.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Cat 6 is home, unless your new home is Buckingham
Palace.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
But with the way Wi-Fi is going, man, I'm kind of
getting on board the Wi-Fitrain, man, like Wi-Fi 7.
Right now I did a Wi wi-fi test.
Right now you can do 2.5 gigs,2.5 gigabit I just don't like
wi-fi I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
I agree because I was replacing my wi-fi is okay, but
when you've got lots of thingson there, it's just contact
switching all the time from onedevice to another.
It's not, like you know,simultaneously transmitting.
It does switch, doesn't it?
So, yeah, I mean definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
There's still problems with it, for sure, but
that's I think, right now,though.
Today, cat 6a easily will takeyou the next 10 years before
wi-fi fully gets rid of all ofits issues and problems and hell
.
By then, who knows, youprobably won't even like
technology anymore yeah, why isthat?

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
I don't know well, we'll have robots that'll do it
for you are you hoping to get arobot that will play tarkov for
you?

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
absolutely not, but I am looking for a robot to do
pretty much anything else thatrequires actual work anyway,
chat on that note, I think we'regonna have to wrap up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
I'm ever so sorry I'm gonna have to run.
Thank you very much.
Chat for you know joining usfor this live stream.
Really enjoyed reading throughyour comments and making me
laugh on a saturday afternoonhere in the uk I just saw oak
figs thing, sorry, sorry so Ijust want to say thank you very
much to everyone.
Remember we've got the unraidfeature bounty now, so all of

(01:24:23):
you kind of like devs and powerusers check it out.
Go on the unraid website andcheck out the feature bounty.
It's an exciting project that Ithink a lot of people are going
to be really excited about.
And, um, thank you for yourtime today, stephano, I'm glad
that you're feeling better.
Um, it was touch and go whetherthis podcast was going to
happen because Stefano was illin the week and so luckily, he

(01:24:47):
has been fine and he onlycoughed one time in the whole
podcast, so that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
But holding together really well.
Also the power didn't go outand it's been storming this
whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yeah, and my PF Sense hard drive breaking it managed
to get it back on.
So we had quite a few thingsthat tried to stop us this month
, but we still managed todeliver.
Hey, anyway, guys, take it easy, have a great weekend everyone
and we'll catch you in the nextshow the awkward goodbye as it
continues.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
One day.
I'm just going to leaveimmediately after we say bye,
just to like really mess withyou and chat because I think
you're still here until I clickstop I know that's the.

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