April 29, 2025 • 37 mins
What's the single most powerful force behind sustainable transformation in leadership and life? According to leadership expert Dave Campbell, it's consistency.
In this deeply personal conversation, Dave reveals how he achieved the best physical shape of his life at age 55 through unwavering daily disciplines that transformed not just his body, but his leadership impact. His journey illuminates the critical connection between personal wellbeing and leadership effectiveness—"You have to take care of yourself, because your presence, your ability to show up, is absolutely critical."
Dave unpacks his "mind, body, soul" framework for holistic growth, explaining how carefully curating your daily inputs fundamentally shapes your leadership outputs. He challenges listeners with the confronting truth that "you get what you are, not what you want," prompting deeper reflection on the alignment between aspirations and current reality.
The conversation explores how identity shifts create lasting behavioral change, why environment is stronger than willpower, and the game-changing principle of "consistency before intensity" for anyone struggling to begin their transformation journey. Rather than aiming for dramatic overnight change, Dave advocates starting with small daily wins that compound over time.
Whether you're looking to elevate your leadership influence or transform any aspect of your life, this episode offers practical wisdom for sustainable growth. Start your journey today by choosing one small daily habit that aligns with your vision, committing to consistency, and watching as small wins compound into remarkable transformation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm going to exercise because of the way I feel and
look and I think my health isbenefiting from it.
I'm going to continue thatjourney for health because, at
the end of the day, even whenyou get into leadership, the
most important thing for you todo not only is to grow yourself
and learn and become a betterleader.
You have to take care ofyourself, because your presence,
your ability to show up, isabsolutely critical and if
(00:21):
you're not healthy, there'sgoing to be a point where you
just can't show up anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, uncommon Leaders , welcome back.
This is the Uncommon LeaderPodcast.
I'm your host, john Gallagher.
Another great guest for youtoday.
This is four-time guest, davidCampbell.
Now, when I think about that,dave, as we go through this
conversation, at the end Iprobably need to get your jacket
size, because it'll be thefifth time where you get the
five-timer jacket and you'll bethe first one that goes.
(00:53):
So, if you're the first time,that's been on the episode four
times as well.
It's been since November 2023,since we've had Dave on as a
guest, so about a year and ahalf but I know a lot's changed
for him on this journey and Ilook forward to hearing what he
has to share about that,including being in the best
physical shape of his life andwearing a Bible in a year badge
that he's gone through as well,and some of the changes,
(01:16):
especially in leadership andlastly, maybe most importantly,
but he's got this title oftwo-time grandfather-to-be as
well, coming up here real soon,and maybe we'll get a chance to
talk about that.
So, dave Campbell, welcome backto the Uncommon Leader Podcast.
How are you doing, man?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Thanks, john, I'm excited right, it's great to be
here.
I always love being on yourpodcast.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Good, well, I'm glad you are and I'm glad you
accepted the invitation to comeback on again to talk about it.
Let's really think about thattransformation in the last 18
months, since we had you on herebefore.
What was the catalyst for this?
In the best shape of your life,at 55 years old, reading
through the Bible in a year?
What's been the catalyst foryou and your continued change?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, I think, if I could put it into one word, it's
consistency, and I kept hearingthat word over and over again
and as I was growing as a leaderand developing myself, the
consistency kept coming in andit's like, hey, I've got to be
the example.
And then the only way I can bethe example is if I actually
(02:20):
build in the consistency tobecome disciplined.
So, you know, I started thistransformational journey several
years ago.
Probably 2018 is where itreally started, but the
consistency over the lastprobably two years is where I'm
really starting to see thecompound you brought up my
fitness journey.
So we're on kind of a I don'twant to say it an overhaul.
Right, I'm in my mid-50s, justlike you, and thinking ahead
(02:42):
into the next decade of how Iwant to be, how I want to be
able to perform, has beenextremely motivating for me.
But again, I'll come back tothat one word it's consistency.
Right, it's.
What are you doing on a dailybasis?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Love that and I know that's been something that we go
back a lot of years.
We won't mention that eventhough we are 55.
That's something that's beenthere for you and I just think
you've taken it to another level, which is really cool.
And what I what I like aboutwhere you've taken it as well as
not just in your own personaljourney, but in the development
of others, and you've kind ofclarified what you would say is
your personal mission is to helpothers recognize and ultimately
(03:18):
realize that aha moment, uh,and their development, where
they need to improve and make achange.
And was there, first of allfirst kind of part of the
question was there a moment inyour journey with regards to
that whether you go back to 2018or something different on that
consistency?
And then, secondly, how are youhelping others to find that aha
(03:38):
moment as well?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So, yeah, I would say 2018, when I got certified with
John Maxwell in coaching andteaching and training was
probably the start of the veryintentional journey.
As far as an aha moment, Idon't know that there was a day
in particular, but I juststarted noticing that my
behavior and the way I acted andthe way I presented myself
(04:02):
really did affect everybody thatsaw me or heard me or
interacted with me, and Istarted thinking that, you know,
wow, if I could share thispower with everyone else right,
and really start to enlarge anorganization, to think about
leadership in the sense ofinfluence.
You know, I had the opportunitya few months ago to meet with
(04:24):
John Maxwell and I was talkingto him particularly about the
five levels of leadership,because that's where I start
with so many people now in ourorganization and, just in
general, start walking themthrough the five levels of
leadership.
It tends to be an aha momentfor a lot of people, but when I
was talking to John at dinner, Isaid you know, when I say
leadership, I get differentexpressions from people because
(04:47):
their minds start to turn andthey think position.
They think different thingswhen they hear leadership.
And he said, dave, when I firststarted teaching the five levels
of leadership.
I had to call it the fivelevels of influence just to get
in the door of influence, justto get in the door.
And that for me was aneye-opening moment to say, hey,
(05:11):
here's my mentor of so manyyears and I give you credit for
getting me started reading hisbooks, by the way saying you've
got to use the terminology andmeet people where they are, and
I think that's kind of the keyis that so many folks don't
understand or haven't becomeaware of.
They can understand and theywill understand.
They're just not aware of theirinfluence on others.
So I take it on as a personalmission to help people awaken to
(05:35):
their influence, right, and thepotential that they actually
hold inside of them.
So many times we think ofleadership as a position and it
really is the fact that theleadership is just your ability
to affect someone's characterthat impact their behaviors or
let them see you as an example,right?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
so love that, when I think about that too, like you
mentioned, and first of all, thethe recognition of being being
with john maxwell and havingthat conversation with him is
really cool and his own, to yourpoint, his own, uh own
reflection on what that meanswith regards to influence the
moments for us in that journey,and we can look back on many
(06:13):
years and probably think of somepivotal moments that exist
inside of that space.
But I know you're starting tohear stories of those aha
moments from others who aresharing with you.
Prior to those stories, interms of successes, what are you
recognizing as some of thebarriers?
One of those things is mindset,but what are the barriers?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
that folks have to really recognizing what that aha
moment is and making thedecision to change, wow so you
know, I think the big thing isthat people need to understand
the change that they want to seein an environment, in their
family or in a company reallyneeds to start with them.
And it comes down to threethings really of hey, what am I
(06:52):
filling my cup with on a dailybasis?
Right, what's kind of thatinput, because we are nothing.
We're kind of like thiscomputer diagram.
Right, it's an input output,and the outputs really can't be
that different from the inputsand the outputs really can't be
that different from the inputs.
And you know, I will tell youthat for the first several
decades of my life I was justthinking I could take in
whatever I wanted and thenfilter it out and have an output
of my selection.
(07:13):
And that's not really the case,right?
So you have to first start withyourself and say what am I
always thinking about?
What am I reading about?
What am I listening to?
What am I hearing on a regularbasis?
Reading about what am Ilistening to?
What am I hearing on a regularbasis?
And then, how am I actuallyturning that into my external
behavior?
You know, what are peopleseeing when they interact with
me?
What are they hearing when theyinteract with me, and so you
(07:34):
really get the three things ofwhat am I thinking about all the
time, what's playing in thebackground, how am I behaving?
And then how am I interactingwith people?
Right, and so I think that'swhere people start to come alive
, when they realize that theyneed to just start with
themselves, right?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
and be the example.
Well, I love that.
And you think about thoseinputs.
If we just take a, an inventoryof those things that we allow
into our minds on a daily basis,whether it's to, frankly, the
news and we've, you know, we'vehad that conversation before
many times in terms of why wouldwe ever try to watch the news,
which is, you know, really, uh,focused so much on creating
(08:11):
drama and talking aboutnegativism, regardless of which
station?
Yeah, fear to get people tolisten in, you know.
But also, what are we consumingon a daily basis in our
nutrition is one, but in our uh,when it comes to leadership,
certainly, uh, basis in ournutrition is one, but in our uh,
when it comes to leadership,certainly.
Uh, in our reading, and who arewe allowing to influence us?
Think very good, and then weknow that our thoughts will lead
to our behaviors right,absolutely, and so understanding
(08:32):
what we need to change there aswell.
You know, you, you've had thatpersonal transformation for you.
What have been the, the, thephysical transformation, what
have been the barriers for yourphysical transformation as
well's, what's been difficultfor you because, dude, you're,
you're doing stuff.
That's, that's just hard rightnow I mean, I saw just as soon
as recently as this morning uhand sharing what I saw as one of
(08:54):
your biggest calorie burningworkouts, uh, that you've had so
far and susan kind of gave me ahard time when I got home.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
She's like you're still of breath, but I know it's
a 10 minute drive back from thegym and I was still soaked in
sweat Barriers, Wow.
You know, I think the biggestbarrier is just my own mind,
right and being willing to bepatient with the process.
Because I will tell you, somany years and I remember even
way back in Susan, in our earlyin our marriage, we joined a gym
(09:23):
.
We just never went right.
You know, you still, you paythe dues but you don't go.
And I think even when you and Iwere in college maybe we lifted
weights twice, right, orsomething like that we just
weren't willing to be patientwith the process.
And I think the barrier for meis continuously and daily
(09:44):
reminding to myself that youknow, I have to have faith in
the process, right, I have toactually believe in it.
And the cool part is that kindof releases after a while.
If you have that patience forsix months or a year, you start
to see results, right, youactually start to carry yourself
, you know, and if you thinkabout what James Clear says, you
(10:04):
got to change your identityright, and I made a conscious
decision several years back,probably five years back.
I wanted people, or I wanted toidentify myself as an athlete
and I wanted people to recognizeme as an athlete.
And I will say that in myentire 55 years I've probably
never had that kind of thoughtwhere I would say, hey, I want
to walk into a room and somebodysay, hey, you look fit, Are you
(10:26):
an athlete?
It was never at the top of mylist.
It was never at the top of mylist.
And when I decidedintentionally to change my
identity and say I want to beknown as, or I want to reflect
and carry myself as an athlete,everything changed.
Because you asked about thatbarrier.
Some of those workouts are, youknow, I don't want I'm trying
(10:47):
not to use the word, but they'reterrible, right, and they hurt.
And it doesn't just hurt inthat hour, it hurts the next day
or sometimes even after this.
I'll stand up and my legs aretight right.
So it's like this constantwillingness to endure right and
be willing to suffer for thelong-term goal.
You know, and I learned a lotof that when I was in the
(11:08):
cycling industry, but I willtell you, when I was in the
cycling industry I got reallygood shape.
I was using events, so goals, asmy motivation, and that was.
It worked for a while, but thenit became detrimental.
I would finish an event andthen I'd take two, three weeks
off of training and loseeverything I had gained because
I hadn't actually changed myidentity or didn't keep that
(11:30):
vision far enough ahead of me.
So I was thinking more goalconsciousness rather than growth
consciousness, right?
And so now I have this journeyin front of me.
That's never ending, right?
I mean, I'm going to exerciseit because of the way I feel and
look and I think my health isbenefiting from it.
I'm going to continue thatjourney for health because at
(11:50):
the end of the day, even whenyou get into leadership, I often
tell folks when I do ourleadership workshops, the most
important thing for you to donot only is to grow yourself and
learn and become a betterleader.
You have to take care ofyourself, Because your presence,
your ability to show up, isabsolutely critical, right?
And if you're not healthythere's going to be a point
(12:10):
where you just can't show upanymore, right, and I know that
happens to all of us.
I mean, we're not going to,none of us are going to live
forever, but it's like where'show far can you move that needle
out to where you can still beimpactful and productive?
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Yeah, I mean, that's the book Iread recently with a longevity
(13:06):
guidebook.
I believe is the name of thebook, but one of the things that
stuck in my head was it's notabout lifespan, it's about
healthspan.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
How far can I?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
get that health to increase in journey.
Now you touched on and almostanswered my next question, but
I'll say that where's theoverlap, or how much overlap is
there in your fitness journey aswell as your leadership
development journey?
Where are the similarities thatexist?
I think it's yeah greatquestion, it's the same.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I don't know that there's.
If you would ask me that fiveyears ago, which you probably
did there was.
There were the definite silosof, hey, my fitness journey, my
leadership journey, and nowthere's no difference.
Because one of the things Ifirmly believe is, as you get on
a leadership and a growth and adevelopment journey, you have
(13:52):
to tell your team and yourfamily what you're doing, so
that you can make them awarethat, hey, I am setting an
example for you and hold meaccountable.
I'm going to hold myselfaccountable, but the behaviors
that you build by doing thingson a daily basis, through
getting fit or eating well, allflow right over into leadership.
(14:13):
It's like what are you reading?
What are you listening to?
How are you expanding your mindand your understanding and
growing and learning on a dailybasis?
So, at the end of the day, itcomes back to the first word I
said right, it's consistency.
And where can you apply that toyour mind?
Body and soul is what I call it.
Right, it's?
Hey, what am I doing every dayfor my mind, what am I doing
every day for my body and whatam I doing every day for my soul
(14:35):
?
And start getting into thathabit of having daily wins.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Love that.
I see that.
I mean there's such an overlapbecause you touched on it.
You said you know, if we'regoing to be a good leader, we
have to take care of ourselvesphysically as well.
We have to be there, we have tobe present, but if we're going
to be a good leader, we have totake care again, as you say,
consistently, what are weconsuming on a daily basis?
From what we're reading, whatwe're listening to, how we're
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growing regularly and youtouched on that that it
ultimately leads to how you growothers as well.
So what are some of the thingsthat you do in your daily work
that are helping to also growothers that you work with or
outside of your sphere of workas well?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So hopefully, if you ask some of the folks I work
with on a daily basis, I amalways challenging them to grow
on a daily basis.
We talk daily.
They've probably heard me saythe word daily ad nauseum, right
where they're going.
Okay, dave, we get it, we getit, and you know a few of the
things that I've done inside thecompany where I work is, you
(15:37):
know, I've introduced a weeklybasis now, kind of a mindset
reset.
Every Monday morning I do anopen call with whoever wants to
listen in and talk about gettingyour mind right and your
mindset right for the beginningof the week.
I think.
You know, on Wednesdays I do myWednesday wake up call, just
kind of a little pop to get youthrough the hump of the week.
(15:58):
And you know, just on a dailybasis I'm talking to people all
the time and encouraging them,sharing what I'm up to and then
asking them what they're up tohey, what are you reading?
You know, what are you workingon, what's your vision for the
future?
So I'm just trying to be thatactive leader and listener at
the same time and reallycontinue to share what I'm doing
(16:19):
and how I'm growing and howit's impacting my life and how
it can impact theirs.
Once that light turns on forothers, I get really excited
right when I see someone go ohmy gosh, I hadn't thought about
that, dave, and I'm so glad youtaught us the five levels of
leadership.
Or, I have an engagement modelthat I've developed and a lot of
it's from the years of readingand learning, and I've pulled
(16:40):
this together so that I teachthis as much as people will let
me.
I get invited to differentplants and business units to
come talk to them about what isa huge issue in, really in
corporate America probablyglobal corporate companies where
we have active disengagement,and you know many companies will
come forward and say you knowwe need better engagement.
(17:01):
I don't disagree, but weactually, as leaders, have to be
the example for what engagementlooks like.
Right, it's time for us to holdthat mirror in our face and say
this is what I want.
Am I that?
Am I actually being the leaderin the change?
Am I growing?
Am I committed to it?
Do I understand the vision?
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Am I talking about it every day?
What are people hearing from me?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So again, back to am I being the example right.
Not a do what I say, not what Ido mentality.
But am I being the example?
Can I check my behaviors?
Can I again take that inventoryof what I've been doing to make
that happen?
You touched on the three areasmind, body and soul.
One of the hard things you'vealso chosen to do was to read
(17:45):
through the Bible in a year forthe first time.
How has that changed you andyour leadership in going through
that journey?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So, yeah, that was something I did last year, you
know, added it to my dailystandard work and I'll give you
credit again because you did itthe year before and I was like,
ok, if John can do this, I cando this.
You know, in several influencesyou've had on me, where you
know some books that we've readat the same time, like the 5 am
club, it's like setting up that,you know, that hour in the
morning.
So reading the Bible for me wasit was, I'll say it was
(18:15):
transformational, because Ifinally was able to put a lot of
those stories together, becauseI'd never read the Bible before
, cover to cover.
Of course I've been going tochurch the majority of my life.
There were some years where Ididn't, but there was always
that you know little pieces ofscripture here and there and
pieces of stories.
So to actually read throughthat and now be able to kind of
(18:38):
draw the thread through theentire book has been really
meaningful for me.
And now it helps withconversations, it helps with
understanding.
You know we just startedwatching the House of David and
I'm like, oh gosh, okay, Iremember this right.
Or different stories where youknow what's your favorite story
in the Bible and I just think ofthe story of Joseph and that,
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to me, is one of those storiesthat always helps me understand
that there's a plan, right,regardless of all the bad things
that may happen, there's a planand things are happening to you
and through you for a reasonright, and sometimes it's so
easy to get distracted from thatmessage right or lose that
message.
So I would say that's the, itwas transformational and that's
(19:21):
the story I keep in front of meall the time is the story of
joseph, right?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
so yeah, it's good well, I think those stories to
be able to pull back on are socool.
You know, I've the analogy thegreatest story ever told in some
of my teaching, but after I hada chance to read through the
Bible in a year, uh, no doubtthat that is the greatest story
that's ever been told and neverbeen lived.
And to to your point thatthrough line, all the way
through, uh, and understandingthe stories, understanding the
(19:47):
uh, the hymns that are out thereand that all of those are
really really scriptural basedand the worship songs that we
really love to listen to andwhere they come from the, the
Psalms and different verses inthe Bible.
I just think is uh can bereally powerful, but it's you
know, you, you touched on it'slike it's something that many
say you know.
What I really need to do is I'dlike to read through the Bible.
(20:08):
But it takes a decision, ittakes a mindset to say that I'm
going to choose to do it.
I mean, it takes time.
It's a 15 to 20 minute a daydiscipline to make it happen in
a year.
Having a plan for me in termsof what that was made it much
easier and to put thatdiscipline the first thing in
the morning certainly makes thata little bit easier.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But those are all those disciplines.
Yeah Right, I had to adjust.
And it's funny because you knowI read the 5 am Club and that
was one of the books that kindof helped me set my morning up.
And when I added the Bible, thereading of that, because I read
20 minutes every day and then Iadded in the Bible and I've got
my exercise, and then Susan andI added in a 6 am Every we have
(20:49):
a cup of coffee, you know sothat 5 am became 4.15 am.
So that was kind of our runningjoke is, you know, the new 5 am
is 4.15.
You, just you got to kind ofadjust your schedule and say,
hey, I'm going to commit to this.
Where do I need to turn theclock a little bit right and
make sure it fits?
And you have to be willing toadjust.
(21:11):
I'm very much in tune with kindof that.
This is what I do every day,this is how I get through the
day, this is my routine, if youwill.
But you've got to be willing todo things that serve you and
then stop doing things that areno longer serving you.
Right, and add and adjust, andwe all have the same 24 hours.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's just what we choose to do with it right,
that's right what we choose todo with it.
I love the idea of the 6 ammorning coffee that you have
with Susan, chris and I stolethat idea from you.
So there's influence, the otherthing I said influence and other
leaders back and forth, butours isn't 6 am.
We're not ready to do that at 6am.
It has that meeting around 7 amwith us.
Sure, sure Again.
(21:50):
All these things, the behaviorsthat you're changing, the
mindset that you talk about, theteaching methodologies that you
use with others to developothers and helping them to
develop their teams Is there astory that's impacted you over
the past year and a half of awin and that somebody else has
communicated with you, whereyou've made a difference?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, I mean, stories are coming in pretty regularly,
right, and I'll tell you acouple of very, very short ones.
This morning I noticed someonethat has been through my Leaders
Developing Leaders workshop acouple of times now has started
reposting leadership things onLinkedIn and using the hashtag
you get what you are.
(22:29):
And I love that, because one ofthe I think one of the most
influential slides I put up onthere during it's a picture of a
.
It's a stick figure of a personstaring at themselves in the
mirror and it says you get whatyou are, not what you want.
And then it's that reflectionperiod of I want this and you
have to ask yourself am I thosethings?
So it's so cool to see somebodynow starting to maybe go through
(22:51):
a transformation and I willtell you, some folks that I work
with pretty close have takendifferent paths with their
growth and their health, and towatch them, give me feedback or
listen to them, give me feedbackon why they're doing it and
then report out almost daily onhey, here's what I'm doing now.
I'm going off to this seminar,I'm going to go do this tough
(23:14):
exercise.
You know, one of the folks thatI work with is working on
getting certified with Wim Hof,right, for the breathing methods
.
So I like to think that I wasinfluential in kind of that
growth pattern of going hey, gopick something you can get
passionate about and developanother skill and then come back
and be able to share it withother people.
And so he's doing that now,right, he's sharing the
(23:35):
breathing techniques even insideour company.
It's amazing, right.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Really good.
That's so cool because that'sthe other side right.
So now that they've learned askill, they're sharing it with
others.
They've made that decision thatthey want to transform that.
That aha moment for them maynot have been there until you've
made that influence, dave,fantastic, well done, good job
there.
The other thing I touched onthe introduction was the you
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know two-time grandfather to beas well.
Like how has the future ofbecoming a grandfather kind of
affected you?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Well, I mean, there's this underlying excitement, and
maybe I don't want to say it'snot angst, for sure it's a
little anxiousness, right,Because we've heard for so many
years.
You know, being a grandparentis transformational because you
get to now just spoil thiswonderful child.
They're now children because wehave our daughter-in-law is
expecting in July and then ourdaughter is expecting in August.
(24:31):
So Susan and I are just elatedand I'm not sure what it all
holds for us, but we're excitedabout it.
We're looking forward to thattransformation.
It's been rewarding, right, Towatch the children grow up and
then get married and now they'regoing to start their own
families.
You know and that's anotherthing that comes out in
leadership there's so muchparallel, right, Leadership and
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parenting.
And even now I even reflect andsometimes mention it to my
children.
You know, I wish I had knownwhat I know now when I was
raising you, but your kids arein for a treat, right?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So yeah, so we're going to sit down I don't know
18 months from now again, andwe'll.
Well, you'll make you a fivetimer on the show, and that'll
be when I present your jacket.
What's your jacket size?
40?
It's 40 long.
You probably get the shouldersover there.
Well, I'll get you somedimensions.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, it's one of the cool things on my fitness
transformation journey.
I was getting fitted for ajacket last month and I had to
actually, they had to go up alittle bit on some of the
dimensions.
I was like, okay, that's cool,things are starting to sneak up
right.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
And it wasn't around the waistline, which is really
good.
Exactly.
Even better, yeah, when it's upat the top.
No, that's very, verynoticeable, but what are we
going to?
What are we going to talk about?
What's going to be differentfor Dave in 18 months?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You.
You know, one of the thingsthat I'm really working on right
now is, in addition to theleadership, is building out.
So not only am I in JohnMaxwell the leadership, I'm also
a corporate facilitator.
I have access to severalprograms there.
But inside, where I work rightnow, there's such a wonderful
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appetite to understand andimprove our culture.
We have a great culture at ourcompany, but there's always room
for improvement and to get thatmore widespread.
So just really teaching on andhelping people understand how
they can build and understandwhere they stand within the
level of the culture they've gotinside their business unit or
their plant or the companyoverall, just being so, when we
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get together, you know, togetherin 18 months I'll be able to
share with some of thoseexperiences of how we've gotten
into a business or into a plantand work with them on their
leadership first, but then howthey expand that out to really
create the culture that justdrives and enables continuous
improvement and growth right,excellent, can't wait to hear
(26:57):
about it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I want to take you through a speed round here, just
so folks can get to know you alittle bit more and learn from
you and put some other things inplace.
Just real quick answers.
They can be short or go as faras you want to Influencer you
follow on social media.
Who's had the most impact onyou?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That's a good question.
There's several and I don't payattention to too many
influencers like on Facebook orInstagram, but more on LinkedIn.
There's a lady named Erin Kingthat I follow who really talks
about your energy and howcontagious it is, but in making
sure you're bringing the rightenergy, so I enjoy listening to
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her little snippets.
There's another gentleman thatI saw he was our keynote speaker
last fall Brendan Hall.
He wrote an amazing book calledTeam Spirit that is about his
journey around the world in asailboat.
It was a race Highly recommend.
If you haven't read that bookbefore, grab a copy.
It is a leadership manual,right, it's his journey of
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building up this team and allthe checks and balances of being
a leader.
But having the opportunity tomeet him last fall, read his
book, follow him on LinkedIn.
You know it's been really, uh,inspirational.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Cool Least favorite exercise that you just don't
like doing.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
but you know you got uh, I'm still feeling the, uh,
the, the lung, the weightedlunges lunges from a Tuesday.
So probably those are theBulgarian squats, right yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Bulgarian split squats.
There we go.
Absolutely, those are brutal,especially if they're weighted
as well.
All right, what's your favoritego-to healthy snack then
nowadays that keeps you going,keeps you.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So I've really tried to eliminate snacking.
So that's my healthiest snackis to not snack.
Um, when I do, it's either Itry to, maybe it's either an
apple, or Costco now has theseone or two three ingredient
protein bars.
I try not to eat too manyprotein bars, but every once in
a while I just have a hungerpang and it's like I need
something.
Uh, and I try to eat thingsthat have as few ingredients as
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possible.
So they have a.
I think it's an IQ bar, is whatit's called.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Just a few ingredients in it Lots of
protein Um yeah, all right, youruh go to uh pump up song during
a workout, or do you listen tothe podcast during workouts?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know I, so I flip flop on music while I'm working
out.
But there's a Christian rockband called Skillet and I listen
to Skillet, or I listen, I lovelistening to acoustic music.
There's a, there's a groupcalled um let's see Rodrigo y
Gabriela, and they are acousticguitarists, or they're not the
(29:49):
the one lead guitarist, notalways acoustic, um, but man,
that's some great music tolisten to to uh, work out.
So yeah, between that, andskillet.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna look this skillet one up.
I think that sounds pretty cool.
I know uh that one will keepyou moving.
No doubt about it.
Uh best book you've read in thelast 18 months.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh, wow, so many there's.
Um, I think this one that'ssitting here I happen to have it
here, right, it's like uh,tender warrior by Stu Weber.
Uh was an amazing book.
Um, yeah, highly recommend thatone.
I just started reading outliveby, uh, peter Atiyah.
Um, so it's hard to put them ona list, of which one's the best
(30:32):
right Because they're thefavorite One brings something
different.
I just finished Outliers byMalcolm Gladwell last week.
That's eye-opening right, so Ilove that too.
It's cool.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I'm actually reading two books at the same time right
now.
Hey, if you're going to readthat many, you got to have
multiple going at one time,right?
Yeah?
How do you do that?
How do you keep multiple booksgoing?
How do you keep them separate?
I mix it up.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
So the two books.
So, for example, the way myworkout schedule is my sauna
time, I usually mix in readingtime.
If I'm working out at the house, if I go to the gym, then I
read up here in my office.
So I've got one book down there, one book up here.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay, one book up here.
Okay, also, it's location morethan else.
That's cool more location yougot any guilty guilty pleasures,
though, that you still havethat.
You, uh, it could be food, itcould be a tv, it could be
something uh it's probably alittle bit of it's food.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And in binging, uh, shows, right, you know, my wife
and I'll get into a show andit's like, if it's there, we'll
watch it, we'll, we'll kill aday if we're not careful, right?
So, oh, so you're like, okay,we've got to get to this
productivity part and then we'llwatch the show, but sometimes
it gets flip-flops, right, we'llwatch the show and then go.
Okay, now we're going to needto go do something productive.
Um, yeah, the food.
(31:46):
Um, it's a weakness, right, youknow, if it's one of those
things where you say, hey, yourenvironment is stronger than
your will.
If the sweets aren't around,you don't eat them, but if
they're there, man, that's tough, right, and I've got, you can
only be disciplined for so long,and then you're finally going
to reach into the cookie jar,right?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, you think I mean that's exactly where the I
love that I hadn't heard it likethat before.
Your environment is strongerthan your will.
There's no doubt of no suchthing really as willpower.
If it's there, it's going to bevery difficult to get in touch
with.
Excellent, that was fun.
I have a few more, but we'lljust kind of pause that on the
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time.
Dave, I think it's a matter ofsaying again the transformation
you've been through is veryinspiring, very encouraging, and
certainly you're an equipper aswell in terms of helping folks
to get to those aha moments, andsome folks really struggle to
get started.
I want to kind of finish thisas the last question for today,
like if somebody is reallywanting to get started and bring
it down to the lower shelf forthem, what's the one thing they
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need to do to get started onthat journey?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, and you know what's funny is it goes full
circle, right.
That journey, yeah, and youknow what it's funny as it goes
full circle, right.
It comes back to consistency,because a lot of folks will see,
oh, you get up at 4.15 or yougo work out every day, or you
read every day, and then theystart telling you their stories
about how I'm not that or I'mnot motivated, or I'm not as
disciplined as you.
Believe me, I've been down thatroad.
I wasn't disciplined either.
I still don't know howdisciplined I actually am
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because, you know, my alarm goesoff in the morning.
My head does not go.
This is going to be great.
Let's go to the gym.
You start having thatconversation.
The trick is to not listen tothat conversation.
But no, I made a decision lastnight, a year ago, that I'm
going to go to the gym every day.
So you just get out of bed eventhough your brain is going oh,
this is so comfortable.
I think one of the things that Ilearned from Atomic Habits
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really as well is that you needto start small, right.
You need to start with if youwant to read every day, and
you're saying, hey, like you andI, you read 20 minutes a day.
It's somewhere 20, 24 books, Idon't know, reading Outlive.
Outlive is about that thick, sothat's going to take a month
(33:58):
and a half probably.
But start small, read a pageevery day and do it at the same
time, right?
So you know, get up fiveminutes earlier, read a page and
then you're got hey, startchecking the box and getting
those daily wins to, whereas ifyou don't do it, it starts to
feel strange.
Oh gosh, I got to go read today, right, I got to go do this.
That's the kind of trigger, andso where I was going with the
comment of it comes back towhere we started with
consistency.
(34:19):
What I like to remind people of,its consistency before
intensity, right.
And that's where that's wherethe key has been for me and what
works for me is that if I needto start something, just start a
small level of it and build aconsistency, and then you can
ratchet it up, right.
(34:39):
So that for me has beentransformational, just reminding
myself and reminding others.
You know, it's the same thingwhere everybody joins the gym at
the end of December or first ofJanuary and they go in so hard
that it's not sustainable andyou've got to get to where you
know, if you haven't worked outfor a long time and you start
working out, you're probably byday three you're not going to be
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able to walk right.
So I mean it's going to hurt ifyou start that hard.
But if you just start, hey, letme just go do some walking, let
me go do some air squats, letme go do something very, very
minimal, just to see startgetting that awareness back.
Um, then then you're morelikely to continue, right,
because then you're going tostart to notice in a month, two
months, six months, you'restarting to feel better, right,
(35:22):
maybe just stretching, maybe youjust need to stretch, right?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
so, yeah, consistency before intensity I love that
consistency before intensitytweetable, I can't take full
credit for it.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
It's james clear man.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's that's all right , that's, that's good stuff,
it's, uh, it's repeatable right.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
You got to just tell people consistency before
intensity.
And it's a great story to tellpeople when they go I'm not
disciplined, cool me either.
I'm consistent and then itlooks like discipline, right
feels love that very cool stuff,dave.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'll put your LinkedIn connection.
I think folks should definitelyfollow you, get the Wednesday
wake-up call from you on aregular basis and some of the
other things that you're sharingas well.
I appreciate you investing thetime once again with the
listeners of the Uncommon LeaderPodcast and wish you the best
in everything.
Coming up, our Spartan Race,coming up here in a month after
we record this, maybe by thetime it comes out, we've already
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run it and had a great timewith that, becoming a
grandparent and becoming an evenbetter leader on a daily basis.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Thanks, john, I appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
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I'm going to exercise because of the way I feel and
look and I think my health isbenefiting from it.
I'm going to continue thatjourney for health because, at
the end of the day, even whenyou get into leadership, the
most important thing for you todo not only is to grow yourself
and learn and become a betterleader.
You have to take care ofyourself, because your presence,
your ability to show up, isabsolutely critical and if
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you're not healthy, there'sgoing to be a point where you
just can't show up anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, uncommon Leaders , welcome back.
This is the Uncommon LeaderPodcast.
I'm your host, john Gallagher.
Another great guest for youtoday.
This is four-time guest, davidCampbell.
Now, when I think about that,dave, as we go through this
conversation, at the end Iprobably need to get your jacket
size, because it'll be thefifth time where you get the
five-timer jacket and you'll bethe first one that goes.
(00:53):
So, if you're the first time,that's been on the episode four
times as well.
It's been since November 2023,since we've had Dave on as a
guest, so about a year and ahalf but I know a lot's changed
for him on this journey and Ilook forward to hearing what he
has to share about that,including being in the best
physical shape of his life andwearing a Bible in a year badge
that he's gone through as well,and some of the changes,
(01:16):
especially in leadership andlastly, maybe most importantly,
but he's got this title oftwo-time grandfather-to-be as
well, coming up here real soon,and maybe we'll get a chance to
talk about that.
So, dave Campbell, welcome backto the Uncommon Leader Podcast.
How are you doing, man?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Thanks, john, I'm excited right, it's great to be
here.
I always love being on yourpodcast.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Good, well, I'm glad you are and I'm glad you
accepted the invitation to comeback on again to talk about it.
Let's really think about thattransformation in the last 18
months, since we had you on herebefore.
What was the catalyst for this?
In the best shape of your life,at 55 years old, reading
through the Bible in a year?
What's been the catalyst foryou and your continued change?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, I think, if I could put it into one word, it's
consistency, and I kept hearingthat word over and over again
and as I was growing as a leaderand developing myself, the
consistency kept coming in andit's like, hey, I've got to be
the example.
And then the only way I can bethe example is if I actually
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build in the consistency tobecome disciplined.
So, you know, I started thistransformational journey several
years ago.
Probably 2018 is where itreally started, but the
consistency over the lastprobably two years is where I'm
really starting to see thecompound you brought up my
fitness journey.
So we're on kind of a I don'twant to say it an overhaul.
Right, I'm in my mid-50s, justlike you, and thinking ahead
(02:42):
into the next decade of how Iwant to be, how I want to be
able to perform, has beenextremely motivating for me.
But again, I'll come back tothat one word it's consistency.
Right, it's.
What are you doing on a dailybasis?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Love that and I know that's been something that we go
back a lot of years.
We won't mention that eventhough we are 55.
That's something that's beenthere for you and I just think
you've taken it to another level, which is really cool.
And what I what I like aboutwhere you've taken it as well as
not just in your own personaljourney, but in the development
of others, and you've kind ofclarified what you would say is
your personal mission is to helpothers recognize and ultimately
(03:18):
realize that aha moment, uh,and their development, where
they need to improve and make achange.
And was there, first of allfirst kind of part of the
question was there a moment inyour journey with regards to
that whether you go back to 2018or something different on that
consistency?
And then, secondly, how are youhelping others to find that aha
(03:38):
moment as well?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So, yeah, I would say 2018, when I got certified with
John Maxwell in coaching andteaching and training was
probably the start of the veryintentional journey.
As far as an aha moment, Idon't know that there was a day
in particular, but I juststarted noticing that my
behavior and the way I acted andthe way I presented myself
(04:02):
really did affect everybody thatsaw me or heard me or
interacted with me, and Istarted thinking that, you know,
wow, if I could share thispower with everyone else right,
and really start to enlarge anorganization, to think about
leadership in the sense ofinfluence.
You know, I had the opportunitya few months ago to meet with
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John Maxwell and I was talkingto him particularly about the
five levels of leadership,because that's where I start
with so many people now in ourorganization and, just in
general, start walking themthrough the five levels of
leadership.
It tends to be an aha momentfor a lot of people, but when I
was talking to John at dinner, Isaid you know, when I say
leadership, I get differentexpressions from people because
(04:47):
their minds start to turn andthey think position.
They think different thingswhen they hear leadership.
And he said, dave, when I firststarted teaching the five levels
of leadership.
I had to call it the fivelevels of influence just to get
in the door of influence, justto get in the door.
And that for me was aneye-opening moment to say, hey,
(05:11):
here's my mentor of so manyyears and I give you credit for
getting me started reading hisbooks, by the way saying you've
got to use the terminology andmeet people where they are, and
I think that's kind of the keyis that so many folks don't
understand or haven't becomeaware of.
They can understand and theywill understand.
They're just not aware of theirinfluence on others.
So I take it on as a personalmission to help people awaken to
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their influence, right, and thepotential that they actually
hold inside of them.
So many times we think ofleadership as a position and it
really is the fact that theleadership is just your ability
to affect someone's characterthat impact their behaviors or
let them see you as an example,right?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
so love that, when I think about that too, like you
mentioned, and first of all, thethe recognition of being being
with john maxwell and havingthat conversation with him is
really cool and his own, to yourpoint, his own, uh own
reflection on what that meanswith regards to influence the
moments for us in that journey,and we can look back on many
(06:13):
years and probably think of somepivotal moments that exist
inside of that space.
But I know you're starting tohear stories of those aha
moments from others who aresharing with you.
Prior to those stories, interms of successes, what are you
recognizing as some of thebarriers?
One of those things is mindset,but what are the barriers?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
that folks have to really recognizing what that aha
moment is and making thedecision to change, wow so you
know, I think the big thing isthat people need to understand
the change that they want to seein an environment, in their
family or in a company reallyneeds to start with them.
And it comes down to threethings really of hey, what am I
(06:52):
filling my cup with on a dailybasis?
Right, what's kind of thatinput, because we are nothing.
We're kind of like thiscomputer diagram.
Right, it's an input output,and the outputs really can't be
that different from the inputsand the outputs really can't be
that different from the inputs.
And you know, I will tell youthat for the first several
decades of my life I was justthinking I could take in
whatever I wanted and thenfilter it out and have an output
of my selection.
(07:13):
And that's not really the case,right?
So you have to first start withyourself and say what am I
always thinking about?
What am I reading about?
What am I listening to?
What am I hearing on a regularbasis?
Reading about what am Ilistening to?
What am I hearing on a regularbasis?
And then, how am I actuallyturning that into my external
behavior?
You know, what are peopleseeing when they interact with
me?
What are they hearing when theyinteract with me, and so you
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really get the three things ofwhat am I thinking about all the
time, what's playing in thebackground, how am I behaving?
And then how am I interactingwith people?
Right, and so I think that'swhere people start to come alive
, when they realize that theyneed to just start with
themselves, right?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
and be the example.
Well, I love that.
And you think about thoseinputs.
If we just take a, an inventoryof those things that we allow
into our minds on a daily basis,whether it's to, frankly, the
news and we've, you know, we'vehad that conversation before
many times in terms of why wouldwe ever try to watch the news,
which is, you know, really, uh,focused so much on creating
(08:11):
drama and talking aboutnegativism, regardless of which
station?
Yeah, fear to get people tolisten in, you know.
But also, what are we consumingon a daily basis in our
nutrition is one, but in our uh,when it comes to leadership,
certainly, uh, basis in ournutrition is one, but in our uh,
when it comes to leadership,certainly.
Uh, in our reading, and who arewe allowing to influence us?
Think very good, and then weknow that our thoughts will lead
to our behaviors right,absolutely, and so understanding
(08:32):
what we need to change there aswell.
You know, you, you've had thatpersonal transformation for you.
What have been the, the, thephysical transformation, what
have been the barriers for yourphysical transformation as
well's, what's been difficultfor you because, dude, you're,
you're doing stuff.
That's, that's just hard rightnow I mean, I saw just as soon
as recently as this morning uhand sharing what I saw as one of
(08:54):
your biggest calorie burningworkouts, uh, that you've had so
far and susan kind of gave me ahard time when I got home.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
She's like you're still of breath, but I know it's
a 10 minute drive back from thegym and I was still soaked in
sweat Barriers, Wow.
You know, I think the biggestbarrier is just my own mind,
right and being willing to bepatient with the process.
Because I will tell you, somany years and I remember even
way back in Susan, in our earlyin our marriage, we joined a gym
(09:23):
.
We just never went right.
You know, you still, you paythe dues but you don't go.
And I think even when you and Iwere in college maybe we lifted
weights twice, right, orsomething like that we just
weren't willing to be patientwith the process.
And I think the barrier for meis continuously and daily
(09:44):
reminding to myself that youknow, I have to have faith in
the process, right, I have toactually believe in it.
And the cool part is that kindof releases after a while.
If you have that patience forsix months or a year, you start
to see results, right, youactually start to carry yourself
, you know, and if you thinkabout what James Clear says, you
(10:04):
got to change your identityright, and I made a conscious
decision several years back,probably five years back.
I wanted people, or I wanted toidentify myself as an athlete
and I wanted people to recognizeme as an athlete.
And I will say that in myentire 55 years I've probably
never had that kind of thoughtwhere I would say, hey, I want
to walk into a room and somebodysay, hey, you look fit, Are you
(10:26):
an athlete?
It was never at the top of mylist.
It was never at the top of mylist.
And when I decidedintentionally to change my
identity and say I want to beknown as, or I want to reflect
and carry myself as an athlete,everything changed.
Because you asked about thatbarrier.
Some of those workouts are, youknow, I don't want I'm trying
(10:47):
not to use the word, but they'reterrible, right, and they hurt.
And it doesn't just hurt inthat hour, it hurts the next day
or sometimes even after this.
I'll stand up and my legs aretight right.
So it's like this constantwillingness to endure right and
be willing to suffer for thelong-term goal.
You know, and I learned a lotof that when I was in the
(11:08):
cycling industry, but I willtell you, when I was in the
cycling industry I got reallygood shape.
I was using events, so goals, asmy motivation, and that was.
It worked for a while, but thenit became detrimental.
I would finish an event andthen I'd take two, three weeks
off of training and loseeverything I had gained because
I hadn't actually changed myidentity or didn't keep that
(11:30):
vision far enough ahead of me.
So I was thinking more goalconsciousness rather than growth
consciousness, right?
And so now I have this journeyin front of me.
That's never ending, right?
I mean, I'm going to exerciseit because of the way I feel and
look and I think my health isbenefiting from it.
I'm going to continue thatjourney for health because at
(11:50):
the end of the day, even whenyou get into leadership, I often
tell folks when I do ourleadership workshops, the most
important thing for you to donot only is to grow yourself and
learn and become a betterleader.
You have to take care ofyourself, Because your presence,
your ability to show up, isabsolutely critical, right?
And if you're not healthythere's going to be a point
(12:10):
where you just can't show upanymore, right, and I know that
happens to all of us.
I mean, we're not going to,none of us are going to live
forever, but it's like where'show far can you move that needle
out to where you can still beimpactful and productive?
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Okay, let's get back to theshow.
Yeah, I mean, that's the book Iread recently with a longevity
(13:06):
guidebook.
I believe is the name of thebook, but one of the things that
stuck in my head was it's notabout lifespan, it's about
healthspan.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
How far can I?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
get that health to increase in journey.
Now you touched on and almostanswered my next question, but
I'll say that where's theoverlap, or how much overlap is
there in your fitness journey aswell as your leadership
development journey?
Where are the similarities thatexist?
I think it's yeah greatquestion, it's the same.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I don't know that there's.
If you would ask me that fiveyears ago, which you probably
did there was.
There were the definite silosof, hey, my fitness journey, my
leadership journey, and nowthere's no difference.
Because one of the things Ifirmly believe is, as you get on
a leadership and a growth and adevelopment journey, you have
(13:52):
to tell your team and yourfamily what you're doing, so
that you can make them awarethat, hey, I am setting an
example for you and hold meaccountable.
I'm going to hold myselfaccountable, but the behaviors
that you build by doing thingson a daily basis, through
getting fit or eating well, allflow right over into leadership.
(14:13):
It's like what are you reading?
What are you listening to?
How are you expanding your mindand your understanding and
growing and learning on a dailybasis?
So, at the end of the day, itcomes back to the first word I
said right, it's consistency.
And where can you apply that toyour mind?
Body and soul is what I call it.
Right, it's?
Hey, what am I doing every dayfor my mind, what am I doing
every day for my body and whatam I doing every day for my soul
(14:35):
?
And start getting into thathabit of having daily wins.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Love that.
I see that.
I mean there's such an overlapbecause you touched on it.
You said you know, if we'regoing to be a good leader, we
have to take care of ourselvesphysically as well.
We have to be there, we have tobe present, but if we're going
to be a good leader, we have totake care again, as you say,
consistently, what are weconsuming on a daily basis?
From what we're reading, whatwe're listening to, how we're
(15:00):
growing regularly and youtouched on that that it
ultimately leads to how you growothers as well.
So what are some of the thingsthat you do in your daily work
that are helping to also growothers that you work with or
outside of your sphere of workas well?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So hopefully, if you ask some of the folks I work
with on a daily basis, I amalways challenging them to grow
on a daily basis.
We talk daily.
They've probably heard me saythe word daily ad nauseum, right
where they're going.
Okay, dave, we get it, we getit, and you know a few of the
things that I've done inside thecompany where I work is, you
(15:37):
know, I've introduced a weeklybasis now, kind of a mindset
reset.
Every Monday morning I do anopen call with whoever wants to
listen in and talk about gettingyour mind right and your
mindset right for the beginningof the week.
I think.
You know, on Wednesdays I do myWednesday wake up call, just
kind of a little pop to get youthrough the hump of the week.
(15:58):
And you know, just on a dailybasis I'm talking to people all
the time and encouraging them,sharing what I'm up to and then
asking them what they're up tohey, what are you reading?
You know, what are you workingon, what's your vision for the
future?
So I'm just trying to be thatactive leader and listener at
the same time and reallycontinue to share what I'm doing
(16:19):
and how I'm growing and howit's impacting my life and how
it can impact theirs.
Once that light turns on forothers, I get really excited
right when I see someone go ohmy gosh, I hadn't thought about
that, dave, and I'm so glad youtaught us the five levels of
leadership.
Or, I have an engagement modelthat I've developed and a lot of
it's from the years of readingand learning, and I've pulled
(16:40):
this together so that I teachthis as much as people will let
me.
I get invited to differentplants and business units to
come talk to them about what isa huge issue in, really in
corporate America probablyglobal corporate companies where
we have active disengagement,and you know many companies will
come forward and say you knowwe need better engagement.
(17:01):
I don't disagree, but weactually, as leaders, have to be
the example for what engagementlooks like.
Right, it's time for us to holdthat mirror in our face and say
this is what I want.
Am I that?
Am I actually being the leaderin the change?
Am I growing?
Am I committed to it?
Do I understand the vision?
(17:22):
Am I talking about it every day?
What are people hearing from me?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So again, back to am I being the example right.
Not a do what I say, not what Ido mentality.
But am I being the example?
Can I check my behaviors?
Can I again take that inventoryof what I've been doing to make
that happen?
You touched on the three areasmind, body and soul.
One of the hard things you'vealso chosen to do was to read
(17:45):
through the Bible in a year forthe first time.
How has that changed you andyour leadership in going through
that journey?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So, yeah, that was something I did last year, you
know, added it to my dailystandard work and I'll give you
credit again because you did itthe year before and I was like,
ok, if John can do this, I cando this.
You know, in several influencesyou've had on me, where you
know some books that we've readat the same time, like the 5 am
club, it's like setting up that,you know, that hour in the
morning.
So reading the Bible for me wasit was, I'll say it was
(18:15):
transformational, because Ifinally was able to put a lot of
those stories together, becauseI'd never read the Bible before
, cover to cover.
Of course I've been going tochurch the majority of my life.
There were some years where Ididn't, but there was always
that you know little pieces ofscripture here and there and
pieces of stories.
So to actually read throughthat and now be able to kind of
(18:38):
draw the thread through theentire book has been really
meaningful for me.
And now it helps withconversations, it helps with
understanding.
You know we just startedwatching the House of David and
I'm like, oh gosh, okay, Iremember this right.
Or different stories where youknow what's your favorite story
in the Bible and I just think ofthe story of Joseph and that,
(18:59):
to me, is one of those storiesthat always helps me understand
that there's a plan, right,regardless of all the bad things
that may happen, there's a planand things are happening to you
and through you for a reasonright, and sometimes it's so
easy to get distracted from thatmessage right or lose that
message.
So I would say that's the, itwas transformational and that's
(19:21):
the story I keep in front of meall the time is the story of
joseph, right?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
so yeah, it's good well, I think those stories to
be able to pull back on are socool.
You know, I've the analogy thegreatest story ever told in some
of my teaching, but after I hada chance to read through the
Bible in a year, uh, no doubtthat that is the greatest story
that's ever been told and neverbeen lived.
And to to your point thatthrough line, all the way
through, uh, and understandingthe stories, understanding the
(19:47):
uh, the hymns that are out thereand that all of those are
really really scriptural basedand the worship songs that we
really love to listen to andwhere they come from the, the
Psalms and different verses inthe Bible.
I just think is uh can bereally powerful, but it's you
know, you, you touched on it'slike it's something that many
say you know.
What I really need to do is I'dlike to read through the Bible.
(20:08):
But it takes a decision, ittakes a mindset to say that I'm
going to choose to do it.
I mean, it takes time.
It's a 15 to 20 minute a daydiscipline to make it happen in
a year.
Having a plan for me in termsof what that was made it much
easier and to put thatdiscipline the first thing in
the morning certainly makes thata little bit easier.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But those are all those disciplines.
Yeah Right, I had to adjust.
And it's funny because you knowI read the 5 am Club and that
was one of the books that kindof helped me set my morning up.
And when I added the Bible, thereading of that, because I read
20 minutes every day and then Iadded in the Bible and I've got
my exercise, and then Susan andI added in a 6 am Every we have
(20:49):
a cup of coffee, you know sothat 5 am became 4.15 am.
So that was kind of our runningjoke is, you know, the new 5 am
is 4.15.
You, just you got to kind ofadjust your schedule and say,
hey, I'm going to commit to this.
Where do I need to turn theclock a little bit right and
make sure it fits?
And you have to be willing toadjust.
(21:11):
I'm very much in tune with kindof that.
This is what I do every day,this is how I get through the
day, this is my routine, if youwill.
But you've got to be willing todo things that serve you and
then stop doing things that areno longer serving you.
Right, and add and adjust, andwe all have the same 24 hours.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's just what we choose to do with it right,
that's right what we choose todo with it.
I love the idea of the 6 ammorning coffee that you have
with Susan, chris and I stolethat idea from you.
So there's influence, the otherthing I said influence and other
leaders back and forth, butours isn't 6 am.
We're not ready to do that at 6am.
It has that meeting around 7 amwith us.
Sure, sure Again.
(21:50):
All these things, the behaviorsthat you're changing, the
mindset that you talk about, theteaching methodologies that you
use with others to developothers and helping them to
develop their teams Is there astory that's impacted you over
the past year and a half of awin and that somebody else has
communicated with you, whereyou've made a difference?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, I mean, stories are coming in pretty regularly,
right, and I'll tell you acouple of very, very short ones.
This morning I noticed someonethat has been through my Leaders
Developing Leaders workshop acouple of times now has started
reposting leadership things onLinkedIn and using the hashtag
you get what you are.
(22:29):
And I love that, because one ofthe I think one of the most
influential slides I put up onthere during it's a picture of a
.
It's a stick figure of a personstaring at themselves in the
mirror and it says you get whatyou are, not what you want.
And then it's that reflectionperiod of I want this and you
have to ask yourself am I thosethings?
So it's so cool to see somebodynow starting to maybe go through
(22:51):
a transformation and I willtell you, some folks that I work
with pretty close have takendifferent paths with their
growth and their health, and towatch them, give me feedback or
listen to them, give me feedbackon why they're doing it and
then report out almost daily onhey, here's what I'm doing now.
I'm going off to this seminar,I'm going to go do this tough
(23:14):
exercise.
You know, one of the folks thatI work with is working on
getting certified with Wim Hof,right, for the breathing methods
.
So I like to think that I wasinfluential in kind of that
growth pattern of going hey, gopick something you can get
passionate about and developanother skill and then come back
and be able to share it withother people.
And so he's doing that now,right, he's sharing the
(23:35):
breathing techniques even insideour company.
It's amazing, right.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Really good.
That's so cool because that'sthe other side right.
So now that they've learned askill, they're sharing it with
others.
They've made that decision thatthey want to transform that.
That aha moment for them maynot have been there until you've
made that influence, dave,fantastic, well done, good job
there.
The other thing I touched onthe introduction was the you
(23:59):
know two-time grandfather to beas well.
Like how has the future ofbecoming a grandfather kind of
affected you?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Well, I mean, there's this underlying excitement, and
maybe I don't want to say it'snot angst, for sure it's a
little anxiousness, right,Because we've heard for so many
years.
You know, being a grandparentis transformational because you
get to now just spoil thiswonderful child.
They're now children because wehave our daughter-in-law is
expecting in July and then ourdaughter is expecting in August.
(24:31):
So Susan and I are just elatedand I'm not sure what it all
holds for us, but we're excitedabout it.
We're looking forward to thattransformation.
It's been rewarding, right, Towatch the children grow up and
then get married and now they'regoing to start their own
families.
You know and that's anotherthing that comes out in
leadership there's so muchparallel, right, Leadership and
(24:54):
parenting.
And even now I even reflect andsometimes mention it to my
children.
You know, I wish I had knownwhat I know now when I was
raising you, but your kids arein for a treat, right?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So yeah, so we're going to sit down I don't know
18 months from now again, andwe'll.
Well, you'll make you a fivetimer on the show, and that'll
be when I present your jacket.
What's your jacket size?
40?
It's 40 long.
You probably get the shouldersover there.
Well, I'll get you somedimensions.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, it's one of the cool things on my fitness
transformation journey.
I was getting fitted for ajacket last month and I had to
actually, they had to go up alittle bit on some of the
dimensions.
I was like, okay, that's cool,things are starting to sneak up
right.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
And it wasn't around the waistline, which is really
good.
Exactly.
Even better, yeah, when it's upat the top.
No, that's very, verynoticeable, but what are we
going to?
What are we going to talk about?
What's going to be differentfor Dave in 18 months?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You.
You know, one of the thingsthat I'm really working on right
now is, in addition to theleadership, is building out.
So not only am I in JohnMaxwell the leadership, I'm also
a corporate facilitator.
I have access to severalprograms there.
But inside, where I work rightnow, there's such a wonderful
(26:10):
appetite to understand andimprove our culture.
We have a great culture at ourcompany, but there's always room
for improvement and to get thatmore widespread.
So just really teaching on andhelping people understand how
they can build and understandwhere they stand within the
level of the culture they've gotinside their business unit or
their plant or the companyoverall, just being so, when we
(26:34):
get together, you know, togetherin 18 months I'll be able to
share with some of thoseexperiences of how we've gotten
into a business or into a plantand work with them on their
leadership first, but then howthey expand that out to really
create the culture that justdrives and enables continuous
improvement and growth right,excellent, can't wait to hear
(26:57):
about it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I want to take you through a speed round here, just
so folks can get to know you alittle bit more and learn from
you and put some other things inplace.
Just real quick answers.
They can be short or go as faras you want to Influencer you
follow on social media.
Who's had the most impact onyou?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That's a good question.
There's several and I don't payattention to too many
influencers like on Facebook orInstagram, but more on LinkedIn.
There's a lady named Erin Kingthat I follow who really talks
about your energy and howcontagious it is, but in making
sure you're bringing the rightenergy, so I enjoy listening to
(27:40):
her little snippets.
There's another gentleman thatI saw he was our keynote speaker
last fall Brendan Hall.
He wrote an amazing book calledTeam Spirit that is about his
journey around the world in asailboat.
It was a race Highly recommend.
If you haven't read that bookbefore, grab a copy.
It is a leadership manual,right, it's his journey of
(28:03):
building up this team and allthe checks and balances of being
a leader.
But having the opportunity tomeet him last fall, read his
book, follow him on LinkedIn.
You know it's been really, uh,inspirational.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Cool Least favorite exercise that you just don't
like doing.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
but you know you got uh, I'm still feeling the, uh,
the, the lung, the weightedlunges lunges from a Tuesday.
So probably those are theBulgarian squats, right yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Bulgarian split squats.
There we go.
Absolutely, those are brutal,especially if they're weighted
as well.
All right, what's your favoritego-to healthy snack then
nowadays that keeps you going,keeps you.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So I've really tried to eliminate snacking.
So that's my healthiest snackis to not snack.
Um, when I do, it's either Itry to, maybe it's either an
apple, or Costco now has theseone or two three ingredient
protein bars.
I try not to eat too manyprotein bars, but every once in
a while I just have a hungerpang and it's like I need
something.
Uh, and I try to eat thingsthat have as few ingredients as
(29:10):
possible.
So they have a.
I think it's an IQ bar, is whatit's called.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Just a few ingredients in it Lots of
protein Um yeah, all right, youruh go to uh pump up song during
a workout, or do you listen tothe podcast during workouts?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know I, so I flip flop on music while I'm working
out.
But there's a Christian rockband called Skillet and I listen
to Skillet, or I listen, I lovelistening to acoustic music.
There's a, there's a groupcalled um let's see Rodrigo y
Gabriela, and they are acousticguitarists, or they're not the
(29:49):
the one lead guitarist, notalways acoustic, um, but man,
that's some great music tolisten to to uh, work out.
So yeah, between that, andskillet.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna look this skillet one up.
I think that sounds pretty cool.
I know uh that one will keepyou moving.
No doubt about it.
Uh best book you've read in thelast 18 months.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh, wow, so many there's.
Um, I think this one that'ssitting here I happen to have it
here, right, it's like uh,tender warrior by Stu Weber.
Uh was an amazing book.
Um, yeah, highly recommend thatone.
I just started reading outliveby, uh, peter Atiyah.
Um, so it's hard to put them ona list, of which one's the best
(30:32):
right Because they're thefavorite One brings something
different.
I just finished Outliers byMalcolm Gladwell last week.
That's eye-opening right, so Ilove that too.
It's cool.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I'm actually reading two books at the same time right
now.
Hey, if you're going to readthat many, you got to have
multiple going at one time,right?
Yeah?
How do you do that?
How do you keep multiple booksgoing?
How do you keep them separate?
I mix it up.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
So the two books.
So, for example, the way myworkout schedule is my sauna
time, I usually mix in readingtime.
If I'm working out at the house, if I go to the gym, then I
read up here in my office.
So I've got one book down there, one book up here.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay, one book up here.
Okay, also, it's location morethan else.
That's cool more location yougot any guilty guilty pleasures,
though, that you still havethat.
You, uh, it could be food, itcould be a tv, it could be
something uh it's probably alittle bit of it's food.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And in binging, uh, shows, right, you know, my wife
and I'll get into a show andit's like, if it's there, we'll
watch it, we'll, we'll kill aday if we're not careful, right?
So, oh, so you're like, okay,we've got to get to this
productivity part and then we'llwatch the show, but sometimes
it gets flip-flops, right, we'llwatch the show and then go.
Okay, now we're going to needto go do something productive.
Um, yeah, the food.
(31:46):
Um, it's a weakness, right, youknow, if it's one of those
things where you say, hey, yourenvironment is stronger than
your will.
If the sweets aren't around,you don't eat them, but if
they're there, man, that's tough, right, and I've got, you can
only be disciplined for so long,and then you're finally going
to reach into the cookie jar,right?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, you think I mean that's exactly where the I
love that I hadn't heard it likethat before.
Your environment is strongerthan your will.
There's no doubt of no suchthing really as willpower.
If it's there, it's going to bevery difficult to get in touch
with.
Excellent, that was fun.
I have a few more, but we'lljust kind of pause that on the
(32:27):
time.
Dave, I think it's a matter ofsaying again the transformation
you've been through is veryinspiring, very encouraging, and
certainly you're an equipper aswell in terms of helping folks
to get to those aha moments, andsome folks really struggle to
get started.
I want to kind of finish thisas the last question for today,
like if somebody is reallywanting to get started and bring
it down to the lower shelf forthem, what's the one thing they
(32:48):
need to do to get started onthat journey?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, and you know what's funny is it goes full
circle, right.
That journey, yeah, and youknow what it's funny as it goes
full circle, right.
It comes back to consistency,because a lot of folks will see,
oh, you get up at 4.15 or yougo work out every day, or you
read every day, and then theystart telling you their stories
about how I'm not that or I'mnot motivated, or I'm not as
disciplined as you.
Believe me, I've been down thatroad.
I wasn't disciplined either.
I still don't know howdisciplined I actually am
(33:15):
because, you know, my alarm goesoff in the morning.
My head does not go.
This is going to be great.
Let's go to the gym.
You start having thatconversation.
The trick is to not listen tothat conversation.
But no, I made a decision lastnight, a year ago, that I'm
going to go to the gym every day.
So you just get out of bed eventhough your brain is going oh,
this is so comfortable.
I think one of the things that Ilearned from Atomic Habits
(33:37):
really as well is that you needto start small, right.
You need to start with if youwant to read every day, and
you're saying, hey, like you andI, you read 20 minutes a day.
It's somewhere 20, 24 books, Idon't know, reading Outlive.
Outlive is about that thick, sothat's going to take a month
(33:58):
and a half probably.
But start small, read a pageevery day and do it at the same
time, right?
So you know, get up fiveminutes earlier, read a page and
then you're got hey, startchecking the box and getting
those daily wins to, whereas ifyou don't do it, it starts to
feel strange.
Oh gosh, I got to go read today, right, I got to go do this.
That's the kind of trigger, andso where I was going with the
comment of it comes back towhere we started with
consistency.
(34:19):
What I like to remind people of,its consistency before
intensity, right.
And that's where that's wherethe key has been for me and what
works for me is that if I needto start something, just start a
small level of it and build aconsistency, and then you can
ratchet it up, right.
(34:39):
So that for me has beentransformational, just reminding
myself and reminding others.
You know, it's the same thingwhere everybody joins the gym at
the end of December or first ofJanuary and they go in so hard
that it's not sustainable andyou've got to get to where you
know, if you haven't worked outfor a long time and you start
working out, you're probably byday three you're not going to be
(35:01):
able to walk right.
So I mean it's going to hurt ifyou start that hard.
But if you just start, hey, letme just go do some walking, let
me go do some air squats, letme go do something very, very
minimal, just to see startgetting that awareness back.
Um, then then you're morelikely to continue, right,
because then you're going tostart to notice in a month, two
months, six months, you'restarting to feel better, right,
(35:22):
maybe just stretching, maybe youjust need to stretch, right?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
so, yeah, consistency before intensity I love that
consistency before intensitytweetable, I can't take full
credit for it.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
It's james clear man.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's that's all right , that's, that's good stuff,
it's, uh, it's repeatable right.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
You got to just tell people consistency before
intensity.
And it's a great story to tellpeople when they go I'm not
disciplined, cool me either.
I'm consistent and then itlooks like discipline, right
feels love that very cool stuff,dave.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'll put your LinkedIn connection.
I think folks should definitelyfollow you, get the Wednesday
wake-up call from you on aregular basis and some of the
other things that you're sharingas well.
I appreciate you investing thetime once again with the
listeners of the Uncommon LeaderPodcast and wish you the best
in everything.
Coming up, our Spartan Race,coming up here in a month after
we record this, maybe by thetime it comes out, we've already
(36:17):
run it and had a great timewith that, becoming a
grandparent and becoming an evenbetter leader on a daily basis.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Thanks, john, I appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
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Dateline NBC
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!