September 11, 2025 • 25 mins
Ever feel like your spiritual readings aren't hitting the mark with certain clients? The answer might lie in elementary school psychology. Maslow's hierarchy of needs—that familiar triangle from your school days—could be the missing framework for understanding why some client connections feel misaligned.
When we examine this hierarchy through a spiritual lens, something fascinating emerges. The pyramid begins with physiological needs (food, water, shelter), builds through safety, love/belonging, and esteem, finally reaching self-actualization at the top. As metaphysical practitioners, we typically position our services at that upper tier—helping clients fulfill their potential, connect with departed loved ones, or understand their soul's journey. But what happens when your client is actually focused on the bottom rungs?
The current sociopolitical climate has created a collective downward shift on this pyramid. Many who were previously concerned with self-actualization now worry about affording groceries, securing housing, or maintaining healthcare. Even those whose personal circumstances remain stable are absorbing collective anxiety, creating a psychological focus on more fundamental concerns. When someone comes to you worried about losing their job but you're prepared to discuss their soul contracts, the disconnect is inevitable.
This misalignment doesn't mean these clients aren't meant for you. Rather, they've been guided to you precisely because your unique perspective can help them navigate these challenges. They may not be your "ideal client" yet, but Spirit has determined you're exactly the practitioner they need right now. By meeting clients where they are—addressing immediate concerns about employment, health, or relationships—you create the foundation that eventually allows them to climb back toward spiritual growth.
Ready to transform your practice? Start recognizing where your clients fall on Maslow's hierarchy and adjust your approach accordingly. When you channel exactly what each client needs in the moment, regardless of where it falls on the pyramid, you'll discover deeper connections and more meaningful impact. Your spiritual gifts aren't just for those already at the top—they're for helping everyone climb higher.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone, welcome back to empower your
soul.
We're going to go back in timetoday to elementary school to
talk about I know you didn'texpect me to say this, but
Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
We are going there because thiscame up in a recent recent
mediumship mastermind coffee andchat session that I had with
the lovely ladies and it wasreally interesting to talk about
(00:25):
maybe some of those moredifficult clients and or clients
that were deemed not yourtarget audience and how that
impacted your reading or how thereading overall was maybe not
your best reading and spirit.
Immediately, as everyone wastalking about misaligned clients
, misaligned readings, readingsthat didn't feel good, it was
(00:47):
really interesting to see in myhead the Maslow's hierarchy of
needs from spirit and I broughtit up and we talked about it in
the mastermind and I just I lovethis so much that I wanted to
talk about on the podcast withall of you today.
So we're going to talk abouthow this triangle, this
hierarchy needs, impacts yourreadings, whether you like it or
not.
I'm so sorry about that.
(01:07):
So, just as a reminder as we gointo go rewind time back to
elementary school.
Maslow's hierarchy needs is amotivational theory in
psychology proposed by AbrahamMaslow.
So it organizes the human needsinto five different levels and
it's often visualized as apyramid.
(01:29):
So this, this is a hierarchythat suggests that human
motivation progresses from basicsurvival needs to complex
physio, physiological and selffulfillment goals.
Okay, so it is a triangle.
It is split horizontallybiggest at the bottom, smallest
at the top into five differentsections and I'm just as a
refresher because I know it'sbeen a while for all of us.
(01:50):
The five different rows,starting from the bottom, are
the physiological needs first.
So these are needs related toyour physical body, what your
body needs to survive.
Okay, so, as we start at thebottom, this is food, this is
water, this is warmth, this isrest.
This, you know, and this isthings that your physical body
(02:10):
needs to stay alive.
This is our caveman brain,everybody.
Again, these are very basicneeds that we need.
As we go up to the next row,this is your safety needs.
This is security, this issafety, making sure you have a
home, making sure that you havethe physical space around you
(02:31):
that makes you feel safe.
Again, very, very basic need aswe go up above safety is
belongingness and love.
So this is you're needing tohave relationships, intimate
relationships, friendrelationships, and we're
starting to get into, like, thephysiological needs a little bit
here as we move up.
One more thank you spirit.
We have our esteem needs.
(02:53):
So this is feeling important,this is feeling accomplishment,
this is prestige, right?
This is you feeling like I'vedone a good job.
And then, as we get to the verytop, this is self-actualization
.
So this is achieving one's fullpotential, including creative
activities.
Okay, so, as we look at thistriangle, we're again at the
(03:15):
bottom.
We're starting with, like, ourbasic human needs, we're moving
into maybe more social, lovingrelationship needs, and then, at
the very top, this is ourpersonal self-actualization, our
self-fulfillment needs.
And isn't that reallyinteresting?
No, not really, but we're goingto get there.
So, as we're talking aboutthese different rows within the
(03:37):
triangle, wait, wait, wait, hangon, I have someone coming in
interrupting me in the spiritworld.
Please hold just one moment.
Please enjoy this awkward pausefor a moment.
Okay, and so they want me tostart with what's been going on
in society lately first, and Ireally feel like I have Mr
(04:00):
Maslow here himself.
Hello, mr Maslow, because he'she's kind of putting a circle
around all of it and he's sayingthat this is a cycle.
So, even though.
Thank you for validating thatspirit, because what I'm seeing
as he's really like drawing acircle and he's like, at any
given moment you can be in everyone of these.
And I think the basic of thistheory is that if you have your
(04:21):
food and water and sheltering,and if you have your safety, you
know, then you're kind ofworking on the next one, and
then you're working on the nextone, and then you're working on
the next one, but they all gotogether is kind of what he's
telling me, and it goes in acycle.
Some days you're going to feelreally good about your
relationships and then somethingwill happen, and then you're
going to go down, right, you'regoing to go back into that
loving and belonging categorythat needs a little more work,
(04:46):
that that need goes away.
So it's almost like itshouldn't be a triangle, but
we're going to leave it as isfor a moment here, but it is.
It is this cycle across all ofthese things that at any given
moment you can kind of be in oneand then down, dip down, two
levels, and then it's.
It's not.
It's not linear, I guess is theway that I want to say it.
Thank you for clarifying that.
(05:08):
So, as we talk about what hasbeen going on recently, let's
say this year, with what's beengoing on.
So I'm going to, I'm going tosay it before Trump went in
office, I think we were allfeeling relatively okay,
probably before he was elected,let's be honest, and we were all
feeling probably good.
We, you know, I know, thingswere a little more expensive in
terms of groceries and gas,right, but generally we all had
(05:30):
food, we all had water, we allhad shelter, we all had, you
know, jobs, we had securityright.
We all had a very predictablelifestyle with our family, with
our friends, and we wereprobably more in as collective,
in like the self esteem, likeconfidence, achievement, respect
of others, that kind of thing.
So a lot of the clients thenwere really focused on like
(05:54):
probably the top two self esteem, self actualization, because we
were feeling really secure witheverything that was going on.
Now, fast forward probably ayear at this point, and now we
have been through the ringer,socially, economically.
(06:14):
I mean you're everything that'sgoing on in the world today
wars, etc.
You know I don't have torevisit that, but there has been
a lot going on that make usfeel a lot less stable.
So, as historically, we've beenfeeling more good about
everything that's going on andwe're just working on our
self-esteem andself-actualization.
That's not necessarily trueanymore as a society.
Now we're really focused onliteral food and water.
(06:37):
Right, groceries prices arethrough the roof right now.
Right, clothing prices arethrough the roof right now.
A lot of people are stressedabout basic needs, basic
physiological needs to just stayalive.
We have a lot of safety andsecurity issues.
Right, with Medicare gettinggutted.
Right, with these systems inplace that have gotten gutted,
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that had provided a lot ofservices to people who needed
them.
A lot of our safety andsecurity structures have been
kind of torn apart a little bit,and so that doesn't feel so
good either.
And then, in terms of lovingand belonging, I think that
right now this is why Spiritthis year has focused on the
idea of community is because Ithink a lot of people are not
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feeling so great about safety,security and physiological needs
, and so it's like, hey, let'stry to bring everybody together
to help everybody.
So I do see, I do see thatloving and belonging at least
for me personally I'm seeingthat being a little more strong
than the previous two that Imentioned.
But when it comes to thistriangle, here you have to think
about the collective as a whole, worrying in about the
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stability and safety andphysiological needs, about going
on.
And so when you're talkingabout the collective energy,
where do you think it is Right?
Why do you think you wake upevery day like anxious for no
good reason when in your lifeyou're looking around and
nothing and everything feelslike it's okay and it's in place
?
But as a collective energy,we're feeling really anxious
(08:04):
because of all of these systemsand structures and basic needs
that we need are being changedand pulled out from under us and
even if it doesn't impact younow, there's this feeling of
insecurity with it, there's thisfeeling of lack of stability
with it.
And so this is where you'regoing to see a lot of people in
(08:25):
this space.
Let me rephrase that You'regoing to see a lot of people who
just don't feel as well off asthey used to.
So we might see, as a trend,people more in that lower half
of the triangle, thisphysiological, the safety, the
love and belonging that needmore attention and affection
there, versus maybe theself-esteem and
(08:46):
self-actualization.
Now, I know this is a verybroad statement and I don't
think and I barely want to gointo this, but I think they're
going to make me.
But reality can be verydifferent than mindset, right?
Because reality for a lot of usnot everybody, so for those of
(09:07):
you that this is not true, Iapologize, but the reality is,
for a lot of us, things haven'tchanged too much in since the
beginning of the year.
It has felt very uncomfortable,but when you look around you,
do you still have food and waterand shelter, right?
Do you still have healthbenefits?
Do you still?
(09:27):
Are you still employed?
Right?
Do you still have your property?
Right?
Do you still have yourrelationships?
Do you still have that sense ofconnection with people?
And so the reality of what canbe going on around you can be
very different than maybe howyou feel about what's going on
around you, because maybe youfeel, as a collective, you're
(09:50):
picking up on the energy of thewar in Israel and Gaza, and so
maybe you are worried about that, and that takes a hit to your
physiological needs, right?
You feel like, mentally, youfeel like there's something to
worry about there, when inreality, you're here in your 3D
self, looking around you sayingI have food and water, I'm okay,
(10:10):
right?
Maybe you're looking around.
You're hearing all thesereports about the housing market
and how, like, our kids are notgoing to be able to afford
homes.
Right, people today are notable to afford homes, that rent
is through the roof, theinterest rates are really high,
and then all the news is talkingabout how a lot of people are
(10:30):
having trouble with housing andhomelessness.
But reality is, is that you, youare still OK, right and no
offense, the fact that you'relistening to this podcast right
now tells me you're probably nothomeless, right, like, I'm
sorry, right, like.
The reality is that you'reprobably doing okay in terms of
(10:50):
the collective right, and that'snot a judgment.
I don't mean that to sound likean asshole like you know,
pulling a coal here, but thereality is, if you have time and
the technology to listen likeyou know, pulling a coal here
but the reality is, if you havetime in the technology to listen
to podcasts, you're probablyokay, right, but it doesn't mean
that you're not feeling theimpact of collective energy that
does have physiological needsthat have not been met, that
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does have safety concerns, thatdoes feel like they're not
connected to a community, and sothe reality is going to be very
different than the mindset insome of these cases, and that's
okay.
And so, like, this is a reallycomplex idea and thought pattern
that we have to be aware ofwhen it comes to our clients.
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Because, when it comes to ourclients, we don't know where
they are showing up on thespectrum.
We don't know if they have truephysiological needs, like, do
they have enough food and water,you know, are they about to be
kicked out of their house, right?
We don't know if they've losttheir job or if they have major
health issues.
(11:54):
Maybe we do, if we're psychic,I don't know.
We don't know if they've lostthe big romantic relationship of
their life or if somebody hadpassed, because, and you know,
someone that was reallyimportant to them had passed and
we're going to go connect withthem in an evidential mediumship
, reading, right.
We don't know what theircommunity around them looks like
, whether they have support ornot.
(12:15):
And so I think it's reallyinteresting because, as a whole,
I want to say and this is goingto be a big jump I want to say
as a whole, me and what I do, Ifeel like I'm more in the
self-actualization triangle,like I want people to become
their best selves.
I want people to live theirsoul's journey.
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I want people to live theirsoul's journey.
I want people to have theself-esteem and confidence to go
after what they want, right.
I want to be able to connectpeople with love and belonging
with their departed loved ones.
So a lot of my personal serviceofferings are at the top half
of that triangle, ideally thevery tippy top, because that
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tells me that you haveeverything else done, sorry, but
, and you're just trying andyou're still not happy.
So what's going on?
So addressing that in the tophalf, right?
And so when a client comes to me, or if you're similar to me and
you want to focus more onhelping people live their best
lives or healing their trauma sothat they can really feel that
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love and belonging that theyhave, that self-esteem, helping
them live their best lives interms of self-actualization, if
those are your typical clients,but the collective is worried
about safety and security andphysiological needs, there can
be a really big disconnect interms of the clients that you're
getting.
This is why I'm going to say itpricing is so important and the
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people who want your $20reading are going to be the
people at the bottom of thetriangle.
I'm sorry, but it's true,because they don't have enough
money to pay for water andshelter or safety needs, and so,
oh God, I sound like such anasshole, but it's true.
But what I'm saying is fact andit doesn't change the
circumstances of what people arein.
But if you are finding that youare getting people from the
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bottom half of this triangle andthat's not the typical
demographic of the people thatyou serve, then you need to look
at how you're marketing, howyou're selling, what your prices
are, because that means you'renot reaching the right people.
And this is a giant slap on thewrist for me too, because I
keep saying things are reallyslow.
(14:35):
I mean things are.
I'm going to say there doesn'tfeel to be as much demand on the
marketplace overall.
I know that's true in pocketsand not true in others.
That's fine.
I'm seeing it across all thedifferent people that I talked
to.
I'm seeing that there's not asmuch demand in the marketplace
as there was before Trump camein office, and I think that's
(14:56):
absolutely true because I thinksome of the people that were in
the top of the triangle or maybenow at the bottom, and I think
that has shifted a little bit,but the reality is I've never
marketed to the bottom of thetriangle anyway.
Right, we as metaphysicalpractitioners, we wouldn't.
Right, we wouldn't.
Because if you were catering tothe bottom half of the triangle
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, wouldn't you be like anelectrician and a plumber right?
Or a carpenter, or somebodythat does physical, like
somebody that's maybe like Idon't want to say a teacher, but
kind of like a teacher right,like because you are caring for
basic human needs at that point,yeah, and so I don't even know
(15:39):
where I'm going with this, butisn't this an interesting idea
in theory that check yourself,check yourself in these readings
.
If you are coming in hopingthat you're reading, for example
, akashic Records I love thoseis at the top half of the
triangle and your client'scoming in with, oh my God, I
just lost my job Like you haveto pivot because nothing that
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you say from you can be yourbest self.
You're so amazing.
I'm going to keep you know,working on their confidence,
their achievement, etc.
It's going to fall on deaf earswhen they don't have their
basic, you know, employmentneeds met.
And so, even though I know, asmetaphysical practitioners, we
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get the shit at the top of thetriangle, every time we connect
with people, we see people atthat soul level we see people
for the potential of who theyare, what they're meant to do
right, how they can live theirbest life.
They can't get there withoutsolving the bottom half of the
triangle first, and so sometimeswe are going to get people at
the bottom of the triangle first, and so sometimes we are going
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to get people at the bottom ofthe triangle, and that's okay.
But I don't want that to scareyou.
If it's a one-off anomaly, Idon't want that to make you
raise your prices, right.
But I also need to say thatthose people are coming to you
for a reason.
So, for some reason, if thereis a disconnect between you
always providingself-actualization services and
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someone coming in becausethey've lost their job, they
have health issues, et cetera,there's a reason.
They have landed in your lap.
What is that reason?
You are probably the onlyperson that Spirit, thanks can
get through to them to give themthat loving guidance,
perspective.
But also you need to meet themwhere they're at and they can
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get guidance from you in termsof their job, in terms of their
health, right, and I thinkthat's so important for a lot of
people to get that help.
Important for a lot of peopleto get that help and maybe once
they get that help and they'vesecured the bottom rung of this
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triangle, maybe they'll comeback to you when they're ready.
For I'm hearing in my mind the Iwas listen.
I was nine when the Lion Kingcame out.
I loved that movie.
I was obsessed with that movie.
I'm hearing the Scar song of beprepared.
So just be prepared that someclients are going to come in
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that maybe you wouldn'ttypically see, because maybe
they used to be at the purple,but now they've gone down to the
or sorry, I'm looking at acolored chart.
They used to be at theself-actualization level or the
self-esteem level, but nowthey've moved down to safety and
physiological needs, just giventhe current administration, and
they're normally up there atthe self-actualization level,
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and so they might still need tocome to you right now to make
them feel good, to know whatclear next steps are, to help
them get jobs, find the healthcare provider that they needed
and be ready for that.
And don't think that that'sdumbing down your skill set or
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your services, because there'ssome reason again.
They have landed in in yoursessions with you because they
trust you, and instead I wantyou to think differently about
clients that are coming to youthat feel like they're not your
ideal client, because that thatjust means they're not your
ideal client, because that justmeans they're not your ideal
client yet.
In case you couldn't hear thatthey're not your ideal client
(19:26):
yet, but spirit has deemed themthe ideal client for you.
So take that, no matter wherethey fall in this triangle,
obviously do what we all do withintegrity and show up and give
them your best reading and knowthat they're with you for a
reason and trust that even ifit's not your best reading or
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even if it's not your idealreading, it was still valuable
for the client who needed it atthe time, and so I guess I take
back.
See, I'm so fast at lettingspirit slap me across the face,
so I take back what I said, sofast at letting spirit slap me
across the face.
So I take back what I saidbefore because you're right, I'm
not necessarily marketingtowards the safety and
physiological, physiologicalneeds people, but there are
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people who used to be my targetdemographic that are having
difficulties right now and wehave to show up, no matter what,
regardless of where they are inthis triangle, so that they can
get back to their best life andwhere they're supposed to be.
So, yeah, super interesting,right, I like, I feel, I feel
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like it was really reallyhelpful.
Because if, as I look back atsome of my past readings of, as
I think back at those readingsthat really were not me hitting
out of the park, I think backthat it was my personal ego
driven expectation that I want,I want all the self actualized
clients.
I want to help you, I want tolook at your contracts.
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I want to, I want to do thiswith you.
I want to make sure we are onyour best path.
But really they needed me tohelp them with very basic things
Because they trusted me as thepractitioner for something that
was so important to them, soimportant to their literal basic
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needs and livelihood basicneeds and livelihood.
And so that was 100% my egogetting in the way of a reading
and thinking that this clientwas misaligned to me.
But they actually weren't,because a lot of those clients
who felt misaligned in the firstsession because I was reading
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basic needs have become my rideor dies and they are amazing,
fucking people who were justhaving a moment where they
needed help to get back up tothe self-esteem,
self-actualization, part of theprocess, and so we can't judge
people by their worst moments.
We can't judge people by 60minutes, 45 minutes in a session
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, because they've come to youbecause they have a problem and
that problem can fall anywhereon that triangle and your job is
to channel spirit to help themmove up to the next part of the
triangle.
So, yeah, don't judge it.
Don't judge it.
I've learned very hard not tojudge it, as you can hear, I
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will continue to try hard not tojudge it.
I've learned.
I've learned very hard not tojudge it, as you can hear, I
will continue to try hard not tojudge it.
But I hope this helps.
I hope this framework with theMaslow's hierarchy of needs
helps give you a basis forunderstanding of maybe where
your clients at, maybe whereyou're at, seeing if there's a
disconnect there, but really itdoesn't matter, because spirit
will show up regardless of whereon the triangle your client is,
because they know exactly whatyour client needs to be their
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best self and to help them intheir journey.
So, just again, let spirit lead, as always.
Trust them, trust that theclients have landed with you for
a reason and give it your all,as always.
All right, that's all I had fortoday.
I hope you have a wonderful day.
Take care.
Hello everyone, welcome back to empower your
soul.
We're going to go back in timetoday to elementary school to
talk about I know you didn'texpect me to say this, but
Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
We are going there because thiscame up in a recent recent
mediumship mastermind coffee andchat session that I had with
the lovely ladies and it wasreally interesting to talk about
(00:25):
maybe some of those moredifficult clients and or clients
that were deemed not yourtarget audience and how that
impacted your reading or how thereading overall was maybe not
your best reading and spirit.
Immediately, as everyone wastalking about misaligned clients
, misaligned readings, readingsthat didn't feel good, it was
(00:47):
really interesting to see in myhead the Maslow's hierarchy of
needs from spirit and I broughtit up and we talked about it in
the mastermind and I just I lovethis so much that I wanted to
talk about on the podcast withall of you today.
So we're going to talk abouthow this triangle, this
hierarchy needs, impacts yourreadings, whether you like it or
not.
I'm so sorry about that.
(01:07):
So, just as a reminder as we gointo go rewind time back to
elementary school.
Maslow's hierarchy needs is amotivational theory in
psychology proposed by AbrahamMaslow.
So it organizes the human needsinto five different levels and
it's often visualized as apyramid.
(01:29):
So this, this is a hierarchythat suggests that human
motivation progresses from basicsurvival needs to complex
physio, physiological and selffulfillment goals.
Okay, so it is a triangle.
It is split horizontallybiggest at the bottom, smallest
at the top into five differentsections and I'm just as a
refresher because I know it'sbeen a while for all of us.
(01:50):
The five different rows,starting from the bottom, are
the physiological needs first.
So these are needs related toyour physical body, what your
body needs to survive.
Okay, so, as we start at thebottom, this is food, this is
water, this is warmth, this isrest.
This, you know, and this isthings that your physical body
(02:10):
needs to stay alive.
This is our caveman brain,everybody.
Again, these are very basicneeds that we need.
As we go up to the next row,this is your safety needs.
This is security, this issafety, making sure you have a
home, making sure that you havethe physical space around you
(02:31):
that makes you feel safe.
Again, very, very basic need aswe go up above safety is
belongingness and love.
So this is you're needing tohave relationships, intimate
relationships, friendrelationships, and we're
starting to get into, like, thephysiological needs a little bit
here as we move up.
One more thank you spirit.
We have our esteem needs.
(02:53):
So this is feeling important,this is feeling accomplishment,
this is prestige, right?
This is you feeling like I'vedone a good job.
And then, as we get to the verytop, this is self-actualization
.
So this is achieving one's fullpotential, including creative
activities.
Okay, so, as we look at thistriangle, we're again at the
(03:15):
bottom.
We're starting with, like, ourbasic human needs, we're moving
into maybe more social, lovingrelationship needs, and then, at
the very top, this is ourpersonal self-actualization, our
self-fulfillment needs.
And isn't that reallyinteresting?
No, not really, but we're goingto get there.
So, as we're talking aboutthese different rows within the
(03:37):
triangle, wait, wait, wait, hangon, I have someone coming in
interrupting me in the spiritworld.
Please hold just one moment.
Please enjoy this awkward pausefor a moment.
Okay, and so they want me tostart with what's been going on
in society lately first, and Ireally feel like I have Mr
(04:00):
Maslow here himself.
Hello, mr Maslow, because he'she's kind of putting a circle
around all of it and he's sayingthat this is a cycle.
So, even though.
Thank you for validating thatspirit, because what I'm seeing
as he's really like drawing acircle and he's like, at any
given moment you can be in everyone of these.
And I think the basic of thistheory is that if you have your
(04:21):
food and water and sheltering,and if you have your safety, you
know, then you're kind ofworking on the next one, and
then you're working on the nextone, and then you're working on
the next one, but they all gotogether is kind of what he's
telling me, and it goes in acycle.
Some days you're going to feelreally good about your
relationships and then somethingwill happen, and then you're
going to go down, right, you'regoing to go back into that
loving and belonging categorythat needs a little more work,
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that that need goes away.
So it's almost like itshouldn't be a triangle, but
we're going to leave it as isfor a moment here, but it is.
It is this cycle across all ofthese things that at any given
moment you can kind of be in oneand then down, dip down, two
levels, and then it's.
It's not.
It's not linear, I guess is theway that I want to say it.
Thank you for clarifying that.
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So, as we talk about what hasbeen going on recently, let's
say this year, with what's beengoing on.
So I'm going to, I'm going tosay it before Trump went in
office, I think we were allfeeling relatively okay,
probably before he was elected,let's be honest, and we were all
feeling probably good.
We, you know, I know, thingswere a little more expensive in
terms of groceries and gas,right, but generally we all had
(05:30):
food, we all had water, we allhad shelter, we all had, you
know, jobs, we had securityright.
We all had a very predictablelifestyle with our family, with
our friends, and we wereprobably more in as collective,
in like the self esteem, likeconfidence, achievement, respect
of others, that kind of thing.
So a lot of the clients thenwere really focused on like
(05:54):
probably the top two self esteem, self actualization, because we
were feeling really secure witheverything that was going on.
Now, fast forward probably ayear at this point, and now we
have been through the ringer,socially, economically.
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I mean you're everything that'sgoing on in the world today
wars, etc.
You know I don't have torevisit that, but there has been
a lot going on that make usfeel a lot less stable.
So, as historically, we've beenfeeling more good about
everything that's going on andwe're just working on our
self-esteem andself-actualization.
That's not necessarily trueanymore as a society.
Now we're really focused onliteral food and water.
(06:37):
Right, groceries prices arethrough the roof right now.
Right, clothing prices arethrough the roof right now.
A lot of people are stressedabout basic needs, basic
physiological needs to just stayalive.
We have a lot of safety andsecurity issues.
Right, with Medicare gettinggutted.
Right, with these systems inplace that have gotten gutted,
(06:57):
that had provided a lot ofservices to people who needed
them.
A lot of our safety andsecurity structures have been
kind of torn apart a little bit,and so that doesn't feel so
good either.
And then, in terms of lovingand belonging, I think that
right now this is why Spiritthis year has focused on the
idea of community is because Ithink a lot of people are not
(07:20):
feeling so great about safety,security and physiological needs
, and so it's like, hey, let'stry to bring everybody together
to help everybody.
So I do see, I do see thatloving and belonging at least
for me personally I'm seeingthat being a little more strong
than the previous two that Imentioned.
But when it comes to thistriangle, here you have to think
about the collective as a whole, worrying in about the
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stability and safety andphysiological needs, about going
on.
And so when you're talkingabout the collective energy,
where do you think it is Right?
Why do you think you wake upevery day like anxious for no
good reason when in your lifeyou're looking around and
nothing and everything feelslike it's okay and it's in place
?
But as a collective energy,we're feeling really anxious
(08:04):
because of all of these systemsand structures and basic needs
that we need are being changedand pulled out from under us and
even if it doesn't impact younow, there's this feeling of
insecurity with it, there's thisfeeling of lack of stability
with it.
And so this is where you'regoing to see a lot of people in
(08:25):
this space.
Let me rephrase that You'regoing to see a lot of people who
just don't feel as well off asthey used to.
So we might see, as a trend,people more in that lower half
of the triangle, thisphysiological, the safety, the
love and belonging that needmore attention and affection
there, versus maybe theself-esteem and
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self-actualization.
Now, I know this is a verybroad statement and I don't
think and I barely want to gointo this, but I think they're
going to make me.
But reality can be verydifferent than mindset, right?
Because reality for a lot of usnot everybody, so for those of
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you that this is not true, Iapologize, but the reality is,
for a lot of us, things haven'tchanged too much in since the
beginning of the year.
It has felt very uncomfortable,but when you look around you,
do you still have food and waterand shelter, right?
Do you still have healthbenefits?
Do you still?
(09:27):
Are you still employed?
Right?
Do you still have your property?
Right?
Do you still have yourrelationships?
Do you still have that sense ofconnection with people?
And so the reality of what canbe going on around you can be
very different than maybe howyou feel about what's going on
around you, because maybe youfeel, as a collective, you're
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picking up on the energy of thewar in Israel and Gaza, and so
maybe you are worried about that, and that takes a hit to your
physiological needs, right?
You feel like, mentally, youfeel like there's something to
worry about there, when inreality, you're here in your 3D
self, looking around you sayingI have food and water, I'm okay,
(10:10):
right?
Maybe you're looking around.
You're hearing all thesereports about the housing market
and how, like, our kids are notgoing to be able to afford
homes.
Right, people today are notable to afford homes, that rent
is through the roof, theinterest rates are really high,
and then all the news is talkingabout how a lot of people are
(10:30):
having trouble with housing andhomelessness.
But reality is, is that you, youare still OK, right and no
offense, the fact that you'relistening to this podcast right
now tells me you're probably nothomeless, right, like, I'm
sorry, right, like.
The reality is that you'reprobably doing okay in terms of
(10:50):
the collective right, and that'snot a judgment.
I don't mean that to sound likean asshole like you know,
pulling a coal here, but thereality is, if you have time and
the technology to listen likeyou know, pulling a coal here
but the reality is, if you havetime in the technology to listen
to podcasts, you're probablyokay, right, but it doesn't mean
that you're not feeling theimpact of collective energy that
does have physiological needsthat have not been met, that
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does have safety concerns, thatdoes feel like they're not
connected to a community, and sothe reality is going to be very
different than the mindset insome of these cases, and that's
okay.
And so, like, this is a reallycomplex idea and thought pattern
that we have to be aware ofwhen it comes to our clients.
(11:34):
Because, when it comes to ourclients, we don't know where
they are showing up on thespectrum.
We don't know if they have truephysiological needs, like, do
they have enough food and water,you know, are they about to be
kicked out of their house, right?
We don't know if they've losttheir job or if they have major
health issues.
(11:54):
Maybe we do, if we're psychic,I don't know.
We don't know if they've lostthe big romantic relationship of
their life or if somebody hadpassed, because, and you know,
someone that was reallyimportant to them had passed and
we're going to go connect withthem in an evidential mediumship
, reading, right.
We don't know what theircommunity around them looks like
, whether they have support ornot.
(12:15):
And so I think it's reallyinteresting because, as a whole,
I want to say and this is goingto be a big jump I want to say
as a whole, me and what I do, Ifeel like I'm more in the
self-actualization triangle,like I want people to become
their best selves.
I want people to live theirsoul's journey.
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I want people to live theirsoul's journey.
I want people to have theself-esteem and confidence to go
after what they want, right.
I want to be able to connectpeople with love and belonging
with their departed loved ones.
So a lot of my personal serviceofferings are at the top half
of that triangle, ideally thevery tippy top, because that
(12:59):
tells me that you haveeverything else done, sorry, but
, and you're just trying andyou're still not happy.
So what's going on?
So addressing that in the tophalf, right?
And so when a client comes to me, or if you're similar to me and
you want to focus more onhelping people live their best
lives or healing their trauma sothat they can really feel that
(13:23):
love and belonging that theyhave, that self-esteem, helping
them live their best lives interms of self-actualization, if
those are your typical clients,but the collective is worried
about safety and security andphysiological needs, there can
be a really big disconnect interms of the clients that you're
getting.
This is why I'm going to say itpricing is so important and the
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people who want your $20reading are going to be the
people at the bottom of thetriangle.
I'm sorry, but it's true,because they don't have enough
money to pay for water andshelter or safety needs, and so,
oh God, I sound like such anasshole, but it's true.
But what I'm saying is fact andit doesn't change the
circumstances of what people arein.
But if you are finding that youare getting people from the
(14:15):
bottom half of this triangle andthat's not the typical
demographic of the people thatyou serve, then you need to look
at how you're marketing, howyou're selling, what your prices
are, because that means you'renot reaching the right people.
And this is a giant slap on thewrist for me too, because I
keep saying things are reallyslow.
(14:35):
I mean things are.
I'm going to say there doesn'tfeel to be as much demand on the
marketplace overall.
I know that's true in pocketsand not true in others.
That's fine.
I'm seeing it across all thedifferent people that I talked
to.
I'm seeing that there's not asmuch demand in the marketplace
as there was before Trump camein office, and I think that's
(14:56):
absolutely true because I thinksome of the people that were in
the top of the triangle or maybenow at the bottom, and I think
that has shifted a little bit,but the reality is I've never
marketed to the bottom of thetriangle anyway.
Right, we as metaphysicalpractitioners, we wouldn't.
Right, we wouldn't.
Because if you were catering tothe bottom half of the triangle
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, wouldn't you be like anelectrician and a plumber right?
Or a carpenter, or somebodythat does physical, like
somebody that's maybe like Idon't want to say a teacher, but
kind of like a teacher right,like because you are caring for
basic human needs at that point,yeah, and so I don't even know
(15:39):
where I'm going with this, butisn't this an interesting idea
in theory that check yourself,check yourself in these readings
.
If you are coming in hopingthat you're reading, for example
, akashic Records I love thoseis at the top half of the
triangle and your client'scoming in with, oh my God, I
just lost my job Like you haveto pivot because nothing that
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you say from you can be yourbest self.
You're so amazing.
I'm going to keep you know,working on their confidence,
their achievement, etc.
It's going to fall on deaf earswhen they don't have their
basic, you know, employmentneeds met.
And so, even though I know, asmetaphysical practitioners, we
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get the shit at the top of thetriangle, every time we connect
with people, we see people atthat soul level we see people
for the potential of who theyare, what they're meant to do
right, how they can live theirbest life.
They can't get there withoutsolving the bottom half of the
triangle first, and so sometimeswe are going to get people at
the bottom of the triangle first, and so sometimes we are going
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to get people at the bottom ofthe triangle, and that's okay.
But I don't want that to scareyou.
If it's a one-off anomaly, Idon't want that to make you
raise your prices, right.
But I also need to say thatthose people are coming to you
for a reason.
So, for some reason, if thereis a disconnect between you
always providingself-actualization services and
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someone coming in becausethey've lost their job, they
have health issues, et cetera,there's a reason.
They have landed in your lap.
What is that reason?
You are probably the onlyperson that Spirit, thanks can
get through to them to give themthat loving guidance,
perspective.
But also you need to meet themwhere they're at and they can
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get guidance from you in termsof their job, in terms of their
health, right, and I thinkthat's so important for a lot of
people to get that help.
Important for a lot of peopleto get that help and maybe once
they get that help and they'vesecured the bottom rung of this
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triangle, maybe they'll comeback to you when they're ready.
For I'm hearing in my mind the Iwas listen.
I was nine when the Lion Kingcame out.
I loved that movie.
I was obsessed with that movie.
I'm hearing the Scar song of beprepared.
So just be prepared that someclients are going to come in
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that maybe you wouldn'ttypically see, because maybe
they used to be at the purple,but now they've gone down to the
or sorry, I'm looking at acolored chart.
They used to be at theself-actualization level or the
self-esteem level, but nowthey've moved down to safety and
physiological needs, just giventhe current administration, and
they're normally up there atthe self-actualization level,
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and so they might still need tocome to you right now to make
them feel good, to know whatclear next steps are, to help
them get jobs, find the healthcare provider that they needed
and be ready for that.
And don't think that that'sdumbing down your skill set or
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your services, because there'ssome reason again.
They have landed in in yoursessions with you because they
trust you, and instead I wantyou to think differently about
clients that are coming to youthat feel like they're not your
ideal client, because that thatjust means they're not your
ideal client, because that justmeans they're not your ideal
client yet.
In case you couldn't hear thatthey're not your ideal client
(19:26):
yet, but spirit has deemed themthe ideal client for you.
So take that, no matter wherethey fall in this triangle,
obviously do what we all do withintegrity and show up and give
them your best reading and knowthat they're with you for a
reason and trust that even ifit's not your best reading or
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even if it's not your idealreading, it was still valuable
for the client who needed it atthe time, and so I guess I take
back.
See, I'm so fast at lettingspirit slap me across the face,
so I take back what I said, sofast at letting spirit slap me
across the face.
So I take back what I saidbefore because you're right, I'm
not necessarily marketingtowards the safety and
physiological, physiologicalneeds people, but there are
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people who used to be my targetdemographic that are having
difficulties right now and wehave to show up, no matter what,
regardless of where they are inthis triangle, so that they can
get back to their best life andwhere they're supposed to be.
So, yeah, super interesting,right, I like, I feel, I feel
(20:32):
like it was really reallyhelpful.
Because if, as I look back atsome of my past readings of, as
I think back at those readingsthat really were not me hitting
out of the park, I think backthat it was my personal ego
driven expectation that I want,I want all the self actualized
clients.
I want to help you, I want tolook at your contracts.
(20:54):
I want to, I want to do thiswith you.
I want to make sure we are onyour best path.
But really they needed me tohelp them with very basic things
Because they trusted me as thepractitioner for something that
was so important to them, soimportant to their literal basic
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needs and livelihood basicneeds and livelihood.
And so that was 100% my egogetting in the way of a reading
and thinking that this clientwas misaligned to me.
But they actually weren't,because a lot of those clients
who felt misaligned in the firstsession because I was reading
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basic needs have become my rideor dies and they are amazing,
fucking people who were justhaving a moment where they
needed help to get back up tothe self-esteem,
self-actualization, part of theprocess, and so we can't judge
people by their worst moments.
We can't judge people by 60minutes, 45 minutes in a session
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, because they've come to youbecause they have a problem and
that problem can fall anywhereon that triangle and your job is
to channel spirit to help themmove up to the next part of the
triangle.
So, yeah, don't judge it.
Don't judge it.
I've learned very hard not tojudge it, as you can hear, I
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will continue to try hard not tojudge it.
I've learned.
I've learned very hard not tojudge it, as you can hear, I
will continue to try hard not tojudge it.
But I hope this helps.
I hope this framework with theMaslow's hierarchy of needs
helps give you a basis forunderstanding of maybe where
your clients at, maybe whereyou're at, seeing if there's a
disconnect there, but really itdoesn't matter, because spirit
will show up regardless of whereon the triangle your client is,
because they know exactly whatyour client needs to be their
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best self and to help them intheir journey.
So, just again, let spirit lead, as always.
Trust them, trust that theclients have landed with you for
a reason and give it your all,as always.
All right, that's all I had fortoday.
I hope you have a wonderful day.
Take care.
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