The University of Life & Gary Lineham

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Gary, welcome to the University of Life.

SPEAKER_00 (00:03):
Welcome.
I think we should sync out.

SPEAKER_01 (00:06):
Should we sync?

SPEAKER_00 (00:07):
Yeah, I guess.
Nobody will know what we'rethinking about.
Okay.
After you.
Okay, take your right foot over.
Yeah.
Right hand underneath left armpad.
Yeah.
Left hand on top.
Yeah.
Head to the left.
Yeah.
Body to the right.
Express.
Breathe into your mouth.

(00:43):
It's amazing how that works,right?

SPEAKER_01 (00:45):
Yeah, it's a nice start, all right.
Tell me how it works.

SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
Um, if you think about like synchronized swimming
or our dance team, synchronizedswimmers are pretty good.
They when they walk into thewater, they move everything in
step, their eyes, their glaze,everything.
And you know, part of it is justlike nature is how birds fly
together, the synchronization ofmovement with breath in the
exact same movement, um gives afrequency signature to the body.

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Because everything we emit isfrequency.
And when we're on that samefrequency, like it feels like
you're closer and it feels likeeverybody around us is farther
away.
So we're in a bubble.
And I do this before I before Ithink, uh, before I do a
podcast, before I um have aconversation with somebody.
If in a conversation something'sbreaking down, we're talking

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over each other, I do it then.
Is there it's a tool to bring usin the same frequency?

SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
So my feeling, my belief on this is that we tune
into each other.
Our defenses come down and westart to share.
Um, I'm I'm really interested inlike healing, and at the heart
of so much of your work, it'sabout real deep inner healing.
And what I find is that there'salmost this uh this want when

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humans connect, this this behindthe scenes going on of humans
heal each other when they're inconnection.
So, like I I I what I'mscratching at a little bit is um
I believe, and I'd love to knowif this is true, that when
people kiss for the first time,what their bodies do behind the
scenes is that they shareimmunities.
Is that correct?
Sure.
You sure it's like, Jamie, whatkind of a podcast is this?

SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
Well, I I think you you can look at it in one
version of what a human is,that's absolutely true.
We share our biology, but to behonest with you, you walk in a
room and you breathe, and thosemolecules with that biology and
that information is sharing witheverybody else too.
You go into a club and you'redancing and everybody's on the
same vibe.
They're sharing the physical uhbiology, which is actually

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affecting their gut biome andtheir hormones.
And that's why when you walk ina place that's bumping and
feeling really good, you feelreally good.
But but there's a bigger part toit too.
There's an energetic part of itthat we don't really account
for.
And we're so apt to figure outwhat our biology is and protect
ourselves or or who we'resharing our, you know, our

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fluids with or who we share ourphysical contact with.
But the electricity around us isactually more influential on the
body than all of the biologycombined.
Like if I put a bunch of Wi-Fion your body right now, a bunch
of electricity, um, all of yourbiology will respond
instantaneously and it'll beharmful to you.

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So around you, you have thisfield of energy that that it
that is a part of you that'sconstantly sending information
and energy emotion or emotionsinto you, translated through
your fascia.

SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
So yeah, you do share the biology, but before
you share the biology, when youwalk into a room, you start
sharing the energy.

SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
And there's so much more going on in that energy.
Yeah.
I I I sorry, I scratch onto thatpoint because I I'm all the time
trying to simplify philosophies.
And what I believe is that as wecalm and as we connect, and a
way to complement that connectcould be perhaps that I mirror
how you're sitting right now.
Sure.
I could mirror your tonality, orwe could do an exercise like

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we've just done, and we willfeel more connected as we as a
result.

SPEAKER_00 (04:24):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
And when we connect, our nervous system calms, we
start to calm and naturally westart to recover or start to
heal in the background.

SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (04:32):
On the opposite side of that, in disconnect, say
we're just not getting on.
In actual fact, then theopposite is stress starts to
build, dis-ease starts to buildin the body.

SPEAKER_00 (04:41):
Correct.

SPEAKER_01 (04:41):
Um yeah, in my kind of simplified philosophy, you
are either having a positive ora negative effect on somebody.

SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
Yeah, you're having an effect and positive or
negative is you know it'sdetermined by perception because
sometimes poison is what youneed.
So what may be seen as negativein my perception or my belief
systems actually is positive.
I I believe that everything ispositive.

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But it took me a long time toget through that because I had
to go through a lot of the shitin life that felt negative in
order to realize it waspositive.
And there's like a lot of stuffhappening in the world today.
For example, we're we're beingtoxed and we're being
politicized out, we're beingprogrammed in in all these ways
that seem harmful to us, right?

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Um, the pandemic was one ofthose, one of those things.
It's just one of the manythings.
And this isn't the first timethat it's been done, and it's
not gonna be the last timeeither.
But it seems like there's thisevil intent to hurt people.
But what about this?
If you believe in a creator, Ibelieve in a creator, and in the

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aspect of a creator who controlsall that or sets it or lets it
be, then it's all good at theend.
So maybe it's not evil, maybeit's just darkness.
And maybe the whole point ofthat darkness increasing is so
that we move towards the light.
Because human beings typically,when the pain of staying the
same is greater than the pain ofchanging, as a society we

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change.
Like you and I, we push theenvelopes and we change in
advance.
But as a society, as groups ofpeople, we wait.
We wait till it's too painful tostay the way we were.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
So the naive type would like to see black and
white, would like to see goodand evil.
Um But in actual fact, whatyou're saying is look, beyond
the horizon, actually, most ofthe times, most of the times of
challenge, they come to serveus.
In actual fact, then if we stoplooking at times of disease and
challenge as bad, and we startto see them in the bigger
picture, ultimately see we seethem as serving us.
And so why not see life as awhole with this philosophy that

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everything is here to serve us,everything is good?

SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
Absolutely.
So you can take your worstsituation in your life, whatever
it is, and most people that arehelping people or changing the
world in some way have somethingreally negative that that
happened in their life.

SPEAKER_02 (07:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
And then years later, 20, 30, 40 years later,
they're using that as apropelling statement or or as
driving a mission to dosomething to help people.

SPEAKER_02 (07:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:15):
So what does it take for us to see that that positive
aspect of these events in ourlife?
What does it take to see itright now?
Yeah.
Like what do I have to do to go,okay, that's good for me right
now.
How is it good for me right now?

SPEAKER_01 (07:27):
So what's going on in my head is that we neutralize
it.
We take away the bias.
We just actually surrender toacceptance, this idea of this
trust, this faith that we don'tknow how things are going to
turn out.
But in all eventuality, there'sa way of metabolizing for the
good.
So perhaps it is for the good.
Why not surrender to that good?
That's going to ultimately serveus all the best rather than

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contaminate our kind of way ofbeing with this bias that
something was bad and we need todo different as a result.

SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Well, the reason why we want to know how things are
going to turn out is becausewe've been built around this
aspect of control.
But if we just accept and inacceptance and acknowledgement
presence, then we have theability to adapt.
Human beings are the mostadaptive species on the planet

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Earth.
We can adapt to anything.
The more we resist, the harderit is for us to adapt.
And, you know, part of what youwere talking about earlier is us
sinking together when two ormore come together in presence.
Um, and the Bible says, in myname, there I shall be.

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When two or more presenttogether, in other words, not
resisting, there's a magic ofcommunication that's happening
between us, even if we don't sayanything.
That magic of communicationfeeds some bigger system.

SPEAKER_01 (08:48):
So this this is what this is what I'm really
interested in.
I've kind of been jumping rightback since I met you.
I met you two years ago.
I kind of jumped on a flightover to Texas.
And what I was trying to do atthat time was tune into as many
people in the space of healingas possible.
And what I find is that most ofthe really interesting healers,
they don't kind of over-involvethemselves.

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What they really do is stimulatethe body's own sense of healing.
But what they do is in that verypractice that you've just shared
of like meeting someone withpresence, allowing for
connection, and somethingmagical starts to unfold as a
result.
So that's what I kind of wasalluding to earlier on when I
was like, I'm really interested.
Like when people come intoconnection together, when they

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breathe together, when theyrelax together, when they start
to almost do the same things,say, for example, they get at a
rave, they dance together, thismagic opens up, this healing
effect opens up.
And I'm kind of conscious ofdefinitely when I see a pattern
one way, I like to see theopposite.
And I definitely say that whenpeople are disconnected, a
negative magic, let's say ablack magic starts to take

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effect where people just startto disconnect and stress all the
more.

SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah, there's a there's a immeasurably defined
distance for the average person.
Six feet.

SPEAKER_01 (10:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
That's why social distancing is six feet.
Because our hearts, the magneticfield of our heart, the average
person goes six feet.
Now, some people push it wayout.

SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
But when those magnetic fields come together,
we we feel connected, we feelbonded, we feel like there's
purpose or sense or meaning.
And when we disconnect, we losethat connection, then we feel
angry, agitated, depressed.
And you know, that's part of thearchitecture of what's been
going on right now is todisconnect people.

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I mean, right down to right downto things like sharing biology.
The idea of of oh, I don't wantto touch you, I don't want to
get what you have.
You know, biologically, everydisease and dysfunction, whether
you believe in viruses or not,but everything that that that's

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ever happened in in humanhistory is already encoded in
your DNA.
And that means that that if welook far enough, we can spin up
your DNA.
We can find Ebola, we can findAIDS, we can find everything
else that we've ever diagnosedor had had some sort of social
outbreak from.
Already within us.
Yeah, it's already in our DNA.
So that means I don't catchanything from you.

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I when I come into presence, itmay reveal something to be
brought up to be understood orto be healed.
But the whole I wholearchitecture of the germ theory,
even Louis Pasteur on hisdeathbed says I was wrong.
Don't take me for what I wrote.

SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
I find, like obviously, we're alluding to
COVID with the six feetdistancing.
I found that time so horriblyfrustrating in that so much of
what was being shared was socounter to what I just know.
The idea of like stay indoors,socially isolate, disconnect.
Uh, God, I think all the fastfood companies were being
incentivized to give itdiscounts on their food.

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It was like, what is going onhere?
It seems like in a time of need,everything that was being
advertised was to further thatdisadvantage, further that
disconnect, further that disease.
It's really sad.

SPEAKER_00 (12:06):
Well, it's actually so obvious that that's what's
happening, that as people wakeup to what was obvious, then
they go through this period oftransformation: anger,
frustration, uh, hopelessness.
And then it's acceptance.
And at that point, then theystart going, okay, well, that's
what's happening.

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I'm just gonna live my life.
I'm gonna work with whoever.
And so that's actually pushed usinto this space where
everybody's starting toaccelerate.
And it's gonna be ugly for abit, but think about it.
I mean, Human Garage was aclinic before, we're well known,
but we didn't have a globalimpact like we do today.

SPEAKER_01 (12:45):
Yeah.
Sorry, it's it's so funny thatwhat you're sharing with me,
this idea of accepting all as itis, with the with the bias that
it's for the good, is a verynew, very present practice for
me.
And even when I'm going back toCOVID, I'm like, oh, that was so
wrong.
But yes, you're completelyright.

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For however bad circumstanceswere in that moment, it was the
catalyst for so much change onan individual level.
So many individuals tookpersonal leadership of
themselves.
They also disconnected from thissubscription to, well, what I'm
told is what I should believe.
People took much more, much moreuh conscious effort to actually
come to their own decisions as aresult, which has been a really,

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really healthy evolutionarychange off the back of that.

SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
So if it was um organized in advance, which you
know I propose it was, uh, I'lljust give you one little
example.
Um, how long do you think itwould take in Ireland or Canada
or the United States to print upstickers that give people
directions in stores or makesigns for parks that were out of

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metal that said park closed ordue to COVID or whatever?
How long do you think, if allthe printing presses in Ireland
or the United States or Canada,how long do you think it would
take to print all those signsthat were appeared two to three
weeks after the lockdown?
It would take it years to printall the signs that were

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distributed all over thecountry.
So that means somebody wasprinting those before said
trauma.
And you know, I just look atthings in a very practical way.
So let's just say that there wassome sort of orchestration to
it.
If you're big enough toorchestrate that kind of
worldwide system approach, thenyou probably understand the

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psychology and the reaction ofpeople.
And then you wouldn't make it soobvious that these are the
things they're doing.
You'd be more, you'd have morecover-up or more things that
weren't so obvious.
So what if it was just all doneto help human beings wake up?
Uh can I ask you a question,Karen?
Sure.

SPEAKER_01 (14:52):
Can you put your hand on your heart?
Sure.
Right bang in the middle.
Okay.
I remember a time when we putour hand on our heart and
observe our left breast.

SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
Yeah, that's just another one of the myths, like
so many of them that I've beenbreaking up around the human
body.
I mean, we just go on and on andon.
How many, how many lies have webeen told about who we are and
how we operate?

SPEAKER_01 (15:13):
So the so I have this kind of idea, this, this,
this uh, this concept that weare literally a petri dish.
And I find, I believe almostlike there's somebody standing
standing aside, and they'relike, let's poke this.
Let's poke it with a differentissue, a different trouble, a
different challenge, and justsee how things unfold.

SPEAKER_00 (15:32):
You mean are humans as a society of species being
experimented on?
Yeah, constantly.
Absolutely.
Come on.
I mean, if you look at it 5,000years ago, our DNA record jumped
by 9%.
Somebody poked something in somesort of species that that made
us what we are today.
And and then all of the storiesof how we're made and all the
science and all the history,which is now unraveling in front

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of everybody's mind, even thehistory of America.
It's unraveling right now atthese.
Just look at the Chicago World'sFair and tell me where all those
buildings went.
They were supposedlytemporarily, but the but the
library is still there.
And that library looks prettysolid to me, and all the
buildings around it are nolonger there.

SPEAKER_01 (16:13):
Yeah, I was I was just in San Francisco and I saw
the remnants of the World's Fairin Chicago.
Sorry, in in San Fran.
And oh my god, it's spectacular.
It's such uh unbelievablearchitectural beauty.
Um, but apparently all the restwas just demolished.
But that little bit was kept,it's a bit strange.

SPEAKER_00 (16:30):
Or go into New York and look at the Empire State
Building in the early 1900s, youknow, late late 1800s.
And the primary method oftransportation was horse and
buggy.

SPEAKER_01 (16:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:42):
And look at the Empire State Building and tell
me how horse and buggy carriedthemes and concrete and did
that.
Like we have been told the storyof history that is fundamentally
not correct.
And we've grown up with it, andwe treat that history as truth.
And everything from therevolution in the United States

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all the way through, it's justbeen a series of misinformation
or lies that have created thisbelief system of who we are.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:17):
I um I have this belief that when you know who
you are, when you know who youcame from, when you know your
family line, you you naturallyare much, much stronger.
You're more resilient tochallenges because you have
roots, you know, you have yourheritage, you have your faith,
you have your beliefs, andthey've been passed down by
generation by generation.
But when people start to screwaround with that, when people

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start to disconnect you fromyour roots, when suddenly it
becomes uncool to be with yourfamily past the age of 18, uh,
when the encouragement is thatyou should move out at age 18,
you should get your mortgage atage 20, you should isolate
yourself.
I I see things in that regard,and I think there's almost,
let's say, this tacticalisolation, this tactical

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disconnection.
Why?
Because when people are out ontheir own, they're all the more
vulnerable, they're all the moresusceptible to influence.
Whereas when people are in a sethome, set family, set roots,
connection with theirgrandfathers, and a complete
idea of who they were, how theyare as a people, they're much,
much harder to influence.

SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
We were talking about this on the way here.
There, the used to be a time,I'm I'm from the last
generation, I'm 56.
And it wasn't for everybody myage, but if you're like 70, they
grew up in this generally.
You were born into the village,and that village may have been
your neighborhood at that point.
But the all the mothers in theneighborhood took care of me.

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They all knew if I was doinggood in school or not.
They knew if I had a girlfriendor not.
They knew if I needed a littlebit of uh discipline or not.
And there was a there was athere was a feeling that
happened throughout the worldwhen that was there, a feeling
of safety because people knewme.

SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
And it's like when you go to a place and you go to
a restaurant and they they knowwhat you like and what you
order, and you feel good whenyou walk in and you go places
and people know you and theythey say hi and they greet you
and stuff like that.
That feeling of community is wasthe heartbeat of the human
civilization.
And that feeling of communityover the last 40 years has been

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extracted systematically to butwhat you're talking about.
And COVID was one of the finalones where we took the the
children and we separated fromthe grandparents.

SPEAKER_01 (19:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:34):
And think about this.
The the reason why the closestto the light on both ends are
the ones that are supposed towork to inform the middle.
So children are coming from aplace of source or knowledge.
And as people progress towardsthe end of their life, they
actually come into this wisdomand knowledge again.

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And uh you come into the worldwith diapers and you pretty much
go out of the world withdiapers.
There's there's some truth tothat, and it's not for every
case, but the idea was theelders are meant to play with
the children to bring thisinnate wisdom to inform the
daughters and uh and sons sothat they knew how to act in

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society.
These were mechanisms that werebuilt into the architecture of
society in order to make themwork.
And that's one of the firstthings that we did during COVID
is we said, grandkids, if you gonear your parents, you might
kill them.

SPEAKER_01 (20:33):
So I I feel very I feel very um hurt when I think
about this.
The idea that, you know, for theaverage kids, uh, they're
shipped off to crushes andthey're brought up and raised in
that sphere by people thatreally, you know, are
disconnected from them.
At the same time, grandparentsare shipped off to homes.
Yeah.
And uh, you know, some peoplecould say, oh, some homes are

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nice, some homes are not.
But it's like, yeah, they'redisconnected from the family.
Like the kids are disconnectedfrom the family, and kids grow
up without that connection.
Uh grandparents pass away, orfamily members pass away without
that sense of connection.
I find that heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_00 (21:07):
But it's not in every culture.
You go to the Asian cultures, alot of them that doesn't happen.
You go to the Indian cultures.

SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
It's not here.
In Bali, it's fascinating.
Like in Bali, um, the wholetown, exactly as you said, will
celebrate um the birth of achild with a ceremony.
Um, it's actually after 40 days.
The idea is you have a kid andthen you go you the kid will
stay at home with the with justthe mother and father and the
direct family for the first 40days.
And then after the 40 days, thekid comes outside, touches soil,

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and the whole community comesaround and has a ceremony to
greet them and welcome them.
And here there is this sense ofbelonging, of connection.
Like when I come back, I mightnot have seen some of the local
people here for six months.
They'll say, Jamie, how are you?
Welcome back, we're so happy tosee you.
It's um it really meets me in away in which unfortunately I

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just haven't experiencedelsewhere.
And um and it's it's verytouching, it's very impacting.

SPEAKER_00 (22:02):
It's so that's the way the world used to be.

SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
And um we we have changed, but this is all social
programming.
This came through the books weread, the schools.
The the education system inAmerica is actually came from
China.
It's called Dungang.
And if you want to take a lookat it, um, there's um the
Underground History of Americaneducation and is a book that you

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can read.
And it talks about the fact,like when I grew up, I was at at
the stage where you went atgrade nine and you chose you're
gonna go to trade school.
It's either seven to nine.
You started going trade school,you go to academia.
The majority of people weregoing still into trades.
So they went into locally workin their communities.
And very few people actuallywent into academia to teach

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originally.
And I was at that very firstpart in the 80s where they said,
hey, you have to go to college,you want to go to college, and
they started promoting itbecause before they didn't.
My grandfather my grandfatherstarted working, he went to
school until he was nine and hestarted working.
And he learned a trade, heintegrated with the community,

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he became productive in now inthose times.
So part of the core attributesof being growing up in those
informative years, between 9,10, 11, 12, 13, and 30, those
are the years where you imprintyourself and how you're gonna
you're gonna act in the world.
They were brought into aproductive uh society

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relationship.
And then what we did is we saidyou need to go get more
information, uh, education.
We said you can't even have ajob without education.
And that that was put oneverybody through the 80s,
starting the 80s, through the90s, 2000.
And the idea of the Dunk Gangeducation system was to keep
people, uh, the parents or thechildren away from the parents

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long enough that you couldprogram the architecture of how
they interact with society.

SPEAKER_02 (23:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (23:57):
That's what they and that that was done in in Asia.
That was brought into our schoolsystems.
And right now, right now I saythis to parents all the time: if
you're 50 or 60, you think yourchildren are going to a
university education that youwent to, it's not the same
education.
It just has the samearchitecture, has the same

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structure of sophomor,sophomore, you're uh you have
your junior year, you have thesame structure, but that
education is very, very, verydifferent.
And we had the conversation theother day, and um Mackenzie may

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disagree with me, but there isno archetype of there's no
measure of society today that'sactually better than it was 50
years ago.
We don't even make we don't livelonger, we're not healthier, we
don't um our familyrelationships are worse, mental
disorders are up.
There's not one part of thatthat was better.

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And and but the stories thathave been told to your
generation in particular abouthow it was, like I just happened
to be old enough that I canactually go back and remember, I
was there to witness what washappening.
And everybody else has to readin a book about what happened.
And the difference is is that Ican tell you that what your

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generation is being told abouthow we lived is not actually the
way we lived.
I am I had a lot of safety, bythe way.
I could, I I went, I traveledthe world, I left house, left
the house, you know, in the whenit wasn't school, I left the
house in the morning, came backat night.
As long as I was back beforedark, no one knew where I was,
there's no cell phones.
Nobody worried about that stuff,and that was all over.

SPEAKER_01 (25:46):
So bear in mind if I go to your philosophy of
acceptance and all of this, andnot just acceptance, but that
it's all for the good, where isthis good taking us?

SPEAKER_00 (25:55):
Well, that's where I used to be angry.
I thought it was breaking usapart.
But society has to change inorder for us to evolve.
And if if we don't make thingsuncomfortable, people don't
change.
And right now we're makingthings the world is very
uncomfortable in so manydifferent ways.

SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:16):
Yeah.
There's not a level of comfortanywhere.
And and that is forcing peopleto find new behaviors and new
ways of looking at things.
So this is where I went throughthis depression during um during
the pandemic.
Because I like, why am I here?
Why these people are doing thisto hurt us?
This is gonna be the world likethis.
It's like the the George Orwellnovel novel, it looked like

(26:41):
2000, it looked like we werehere 20 years late.
And and I went through thisdepression time and like, do I
even want to be here?
I want it, I didn't even want tobe here.
I didn't want to kill myself,but I I didn't want to be alive
either.
And and and I, because I waslooking at the bigger picture
and I was saying, how can weallow this as a world?

(27:01):
This world's going into thisslavery or whatever.
And I and then then I had amoment of change and I thought,
well, what if it was good?
What if this all was for ourgood somehow?
And that doesn't sound contrary,like what if poisoning the skies
is for our good?
Because I I I do believe that Ido believe in a creator of some

(27:22):
sort.
Okay, I believe in this higherlevel of consciousness.
So that means that even thethings that we call evil,
they're not evil, they'redarkness.
Darkness was around long beforethe light.
And without darkness, lightdoesn't exist.
Light's the new kid in theblock.
It's well, what science tells isfour and a half billion years,
maybe, maybe it's 40 billionyears.

(27:44):
Who knows?
Maybe it was 400 million years,maybe it's four million years.
Who really knows?
But light is the new kid on theblock.
And without the darkness, lighthas no option to shine.
And right now, like we said,coming into the pandemic, it's
it's revealing the light inpeople.
And adversity, I used to thinkadversity made people, but now I

(28:08):
don't think that way.
Adverse like adversity revealsthe character of people, and and
that's really what it is.
It adversity reveals character,it doesn't make us into who we
are, it reveals who we are.
And we have a lot of adversityin our society today, and it's
it's super revealing, and it'sshowing the cracks and the

(28:31):
fragments and all the thingsthat just don't fit together.
And human beings are likenature's amazing.
You can put concrete over top ofgrass, and eventually the grass
grows through that concrete.
And human beings, we're thegrass, and that's what's
happening.
They put a bunch of concreteover us, and some of it's gonna
sprout up on the other side,some of it's gonna stay

(28:52):
underground, maybe never make itabove the concrete.
But but realistically, that'swhat I believe is happening.
This is my belief, and noteverybody has to share this.
This is through my experience,and I've had a tremendous amount
of world experience, tremendous.

SPEAKER_01 (29:08):
As you're sharing that, what's coming up for me is
this this remembrance that we asindividuals, we are nature.
And we we look at nature as acollective.
Like when we see a plane ofgrass, we don't see individual
notes of grass, we see the planeof grass.

SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (29:21):
And we as humans, we kind of we like to think of
ourselves as individual, but ifwe trace those trends of DNA, we
start to realize we're actuallyin existence among so many
others simultaneously.
And we we see that perhapsperhaps perhaps there's yeah,
perhaps there's a greater wisdomat play, and perhaps we might
not get we might not be the onesrealizing that, but the lessons

(29:41):
might be serving others.

SPEAKER_00 (29:42):
I think um I think in history, we look back, we can
always see um the the lawn, notthe grass.

SPEAKER_01 (29:51):
Good point.

SPEAKER_00 (29:53):
So the architecture for me to move through the world
the way I do today and bringsomething to the World that I'm
bringing to the world is torealize that I'm actually part
of the lawn.

SPEAKER_01 (30:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
I'm not the blade of grass.

SPEAKER_01 (30:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:08):
And I remind myself that all the time because this
individual aspect,individuality, and free will,
people want to, they want toexercise their free will.
And I'm like, the way Iunderstand consciousness and
I've channeled and been aroundand had near-death experiences,
I don't see free will the sameway people see it.

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You had free will when you camehere as a soul and you chose a
body and you chose parents.
That free will is what youchose.
And and you chose a journey fora set of experiences, and you're
going to get to thoseexperiences one way or another.
And there's a thousand differentways to get to it, but you're
going to have that experience.
And free will is accepting theagreements that I came here

(30:54):
with, not trying to exercise myfree will here today.

SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
So I kind of have this image of a river.
And once you've kind of plantedyourself into life, you are
flowing down that river.
And that river has its inbuilt,tosses, turns, everything.

SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:07):
And you might like see a bar on the side of that
river and be like, oh, I want toI want to swim there, but you're
swimming against the current.
And it's hard.
And you might get to that bar,but you're like pulled back
almost.
Yeah.
I kind of find that's actuallyhow I'm starting to recognize
life.
That exactly there aretemptations left, right, and
center.
But as I go after them, as I asI tried to, let's say, exercise

(31:28):
that free will, I'm quitesurprised at how challenging
circumstances start to get.
But if I and it's an oddexpression to say, but if I fall
back in line or fall back intothe flow, I'm pleasantly
surprised at how complimentingand easy that flow can be for
me.

SPEAKER_00 (31:43):
Right.
And that comes down to if youlike kind of feel all this
resistance in your life andyou're at heads with everybody
in arguments and things aren'tworking the way you want.
Maybe you're trying to exercisethe free will you created up
here rather than the one youcreated here.

SPEAKER_01 (31:58):
So this is like I again going to the heart of your
work and the idea that traumawill literally manifest itself
physically in the body.
It'll radiate as stress, it willcause disease, it will cause
pain.
And the cure to that actually isstop the resistance.
Actually just accept.

SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
100% of disease.
Disease is the blockage ofenergy in the body.

SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
100%.

SPEAKER_01 (32:23):
So my like my my meditations, I've I've found
myself, it's odd.
I I sit with myself and kind ofdifferent messages come.
And the latest one is I'msitting with myself and it's
just like surrender.
That's it, surrender, feelwhat's coming up?
Accept, surrender, feel, accept.
And I kind of find that everytime I do, it's like I drop into
myself a little bit, a bit, uh,a little bit deeper.

(32:43):
My body becomes a little bitlighter.
And it's very simple.
It's like, yeah, it's a very,very simple practice of instead
of instead of chasing after lifeor trying to manifest life or
really interfere with life,actually just accept it.
Surrender to it.
Show up as best as you can inthat flow, undistracted by the

(33:05):
future or the past, and justmake the most of the present and
be pleasantly surprised ofwhat's on the horizon.

SPEAKER_00 (33:10):
If life is hard, you're probably doing it wrong.
Great saying.
And listen, I I had someexperiences.
Um I'm sitting in the back of aprison transport van after 17
months in solitary combinement.
Seventeen months.
And I'm shackled cuffed, hooded.

(33:33):
Real crazy experience.
And I had this shocking moment.
It was like this rush ofmemories.
And the memory was every singletime that I saw a prison
transport van drive on the roadanywhere around me, I remembered

(33:56):
them all at once, like thousandsof incidences from the time I
was five years old.
And I was I got back into mycell and I'm like, what was
that?
Did I did I manifest this?
Did I create this?

(34:16):
Like, why would I do that?
And could I change it?
Could I have done somethingdifferent?
And at this point in my life, Irealized that no, I picked the
experience because thatexperience is what transformed
me into who I am today.
And if I had anything else butthat level of experience, I

(34:40):
would not be here talking to youtoday.
And so this part of us, youknow, I see this all the time,
people trying to avoid, youknow, like getting hurt or
relationships or business ordoing the wrong thing.
I see them, it's like trying toprotect themselves.
And there's a simple law inenergetics.
What I resist persists.

SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
I am finding every time I'm trying to manipulate,
I'm trying to changecircumstances, it's coming back
and it's slapping me twice ashard on the face.

SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
Yeah.
And and by the way, you're ayoung guy in comparison to me.
And and I've been consistentlyimpressed with the way that you
handle yourself and acceptresponsibility.
I was I watched um a mainstreamcelebrity tear a strip out of
you in front of me.

(35:31):
And he was wrong, but you didn'tsay a word.
And you just took it all in, andit was painful.
I could see it really hurt you.
But it's painful, and youaccepted that he was in a spot
and that wasn't directed at you.
I don't see that from almostanybody, never mind anybody your

(35:51):
age.
And that's part of why Icontinue to want to be around
you and to engage with you, isbecause you have this old soul
wisdom that just comes out everyonce in a while, or quite often,
every time you pop up.
Thank you.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (36:06):
Yeah, I um this practice that we're talking
about, this acceptance and thiswonder for how when however
challenging something might be,uh, how will it come to serve?
I find fascinating.
I I can't look back at a momentin my life, uh, any of the
challenging moments in my life,and not see how incredibly

(36:29):
positively impacting they havebeen to me now.
Uh, this idea that all of thosehave come to stand to me is so
true.
And so it it yeah, it stops mein my tracks generally when I
really want to impulsivelyreact.
And I used to when I wasyounger, I got into such messes,
but now I'm yeah, I'm hit andconfronted by this wonder of
how's this going to unfold?

(36:50):
Where's this gonna lead me?
And I can I can I ask you, I I'mcurious as I'm like tuning into
your wisdom, and I I and thisthis philosophy now, as I said,
this is something that I'mreally curious about.
I'd love to ask you when youlook at the man you are now, and
when you touch into the wisdomthat you have and all that

(37:10):
you've built, what's theearliest memory you have that
you feel led you on the courseto where you are right now?

SPEAKER_00 (37:17):
Um when I was five years old, I was in Banff,
Canada.
And I've had this constantinteraction with homeless people
my whole life.
And there's a homeless guysitting on a bench and I saw him
out there, and we'd got in, wewent to get donuts, and so I

(37:40):
decided I was gonna go give thisguy some food.
And I went over to sit by himand I gave him a uh lemon jelly
donut clear as day.
And I said, Here's some food foryou.
And he goes, Thank you.
And I said, he says, I wasreally hungry, and I said, I can

(38:03):
see it looks like you're hungry,but why are you hungry?
He says, Well, because I I don'thave a job, I don't work.
And I said, Why don't you work?
And he goes, Well, look at me,I'm unclean.
And he used the words unclean.

(38:24):
And I said, five-year-oldinnocent, we're staying at
campground.
I'm like, I have a campgroundover there, my family was
staying at a campground, it'sgot showers, you can come over
and use our showers.
That was my childhood way ofunderstanding the world and
solving a problem.
And that one stuck, that memorystuck with me my entire life.

(38:48):
And it was really talking aboutsociety and it was talking about
judgment, and it was talkingabout like I'm unclean and I
don't work, and that's why, andI'm sitting out here, everybody
else is okay, but I'm not okay.
I'm in this village, but I'mseparate from the village.
These were all the lessons thatI was learning as a
five-year-old from this guy thatthat I didn't really understand.

(39:12):
I didn't understand themechanics of it, but I felt
those lessons.
And I I felt those deeply.
And through the rest of my life,I had all these interactions
with homeless people.
Now, looking back at it from 51years later, I think things
like, where were my parents?

(39:33):
Um, how did this happen?
But you know, when we grew up,you know, five-year-olds were
just wander around.
You had there was no issues withit.
You know, 10-year-olds wereworking.
I was at that turn of thatgeneration where sometimes 10,
11-year-olds were kicking out ofschool and going to work to
support the family.
So this innate wisdom andhomeless people came to me over

(39:58):
and over and over again.
And I have I have some crazystories where a homeless person
came up and asked me for aninsane amount of money, and um
and it and I didn't have themoney to meet rent or payroll on
Monday, and I was working tosolve it, but somehow, some way
I felt that that I should giveit to him, and I did.

(40:20):
And that Monday the money wasthere in this in the most
bizarre turn of circumstances.
And so I've had theseinteractions, and and I I go to
the bigger part was who arethese homeless people that keep
talking to me?

SPEAKER_01 (40:34):
Yeah.
And I I know now, I do.
So I I love this idea thatsometimes people talk through.
Uh, it's like there's theseangelic moments um where
something channels through.
I love this.
So, kind of a follow-on of thevery practice that we've been
talking to, this idea ofacceptance, this idea of
presence, this idea to tuninginto your heart and just

(40:55):
following whatever instinctivemessage comes up.
Um, I had a lovely moment whereum there was a driver here, he
dropped me off at my place and Igot off the bike and something
inside me said, Jamie, give him100K.
It's nothing.
It's like$10.
Um, I was like, why is thatfeeling coming up?
It's like, don't question it,just give it to him.
I turned around, I was like,he'd already kind of started

(41:17):
driving off.
And I said, Come back, gave himthe 100K.
And he broke down crying.
He explained to me that his wifehad had a baby that morning.
He couldn't afford to take thetime off to be with her.
He had to go out and work.
That small extra tip allowed himto go home and spend the day
with his wife, who had justgiven birth to their child.
Now, that's not that that wasn'tme.

(41:40):
That was something that camethrough me.
I found it fascinating toobserve that.
And I found all the moreencouragement, let's say, to
follow that intuitive flow, thelikes of which you got there in
terms of give the money.
I think there's um I I recognizethen in the darkest of moments
that I've had in my life, sointerestingly, people show up so
randomly.

(42:00):
One person came to give me apiece of work when I was about
to go bust, that was my savingpiece of work.
A girl came into my life when mymy image or my impression, let's
say, relationally, was so toxicand it completely switched it
and turned it on its head for mygood.
And moment after moment, I'vehad these experiences, and I
think they're like angelicdivine channel moments.

SPEAKER_00 (42:20):
They are.
And I say these things, I tellyou that story because there's a
point in time I just rememberedit, but I truly have this
understanding or understandingof how the world works or how
this place works that I didn'thave before.

(42:41):
And part of it is what you werealluding to is that inner voice.
I'll say it's my outer voice.
That's that field around me,that's my God source.
And it's always talking to me,but I have to be able to hear
it.
And when people come into mypresence, you've seen it, I just
talk right to them.
It's the exact words at theexact second, it's the exact

(43:02):
thing that they need.
And they usually break down,they cry, or something like
this.
And and they always ask me howyou how I knew.
And I said, Well, I didn't know,but you knew.
You just weren't listening.
And that inner voice is alwaysthere guiding us, providing
solutions.
And if I'm not finding asolution, it's because somehow

(43:22):
I'm blocking that voice.
What I've found is that's thispractice, this fascial maneuvers
practice that we do is whatopened up my connection to that
higher source.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:33):
So I love this idea that we are an antenna.
And the better we look afterourselves, the more tuned that
antenna gets.
And so when you talk aboutfascial maneuvers and really
opening up and clearing thebody, helping the body detox,
helping the body rejuvenate, ithelps tune you all the more.

SPEAKER_00 (43:49):
We are literally an antenna.
Our DNA is built as an antenna.
Our our the makeup of our bodyis we're made up of water, sand,
and bacteria.
It's a quartz crystal.
Um, our bones are conductive.
We have all the architecture ofa of a cell phone.

SPEAKER_01 (44:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:09):
We have display screen, shows the information.
We have Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, andwe can connect to people and we
can connect to people indifferent ways.
We have buttons that you canpush that create effects in this
body.
We have a hard drive and memoryand storage.
We we have power sources, we cancharge ourselves up and we can
drain ourselves.

(44:30):
The Apple iPhone was a copy of ahuman existence.
And we operate like that.
And when I started realizingthat, it changed the way that I
even looked at biology andmedicine and helping people.

SPEAKER_01 (44:47):
I I remember from me, if I go back to my earlier
years, I had quite a linear,simplified approach of like, oh,
I'll just train to look goodnaked, or I'll just eat well to
probably to that same end again.
What I love is how life hasrevealed itself in exactly this
tune that the better I lookafter myself, the greater
connection I have with thatinner wisdom and that collective

(45:10):
wisdom, the better I can show upin the world.

SPEAKER_00 (45:13):
So the challenge that we have though is what we
consider to be looking afterourselves.
The the practices that we'vebeen told are healthy for us, or
they're not.
What's a good example of thatthat comes to mind?
Um, I came from a world ofbodybuilding.
You've seen the pictures.
I I firmly believe today thatbuilding muscle outside of

(45:34):
movement actually createsdisease in the body.
Now, everybody's hearing this,it's in the muscle side is gonna
go, there's a mount of evidenceto prove it to be true, not to
be true.
There's also a amount of sciencethat's back that, that's not
true.
And we use this, we use thiscrutch called science to

(45:57):
validate these belief systemsthat we have.
But the way science is beingused right now about the human
body, if it was, if the scienceworked and all these things
work, then why are people sosick?

SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:09):
You know, and and people that seem to do more of
it seem to be, even if they'rekind of healthy in their body
for a while, which a lot of themare, a lot of biohackers that I
worked with back in like 2014,15, 16, they're not looking so
good or doing so good today.
And even if they're taking careof their bodies, their emotions
and their perceptions, theirthoughts, their relationships

(46:30):
are really hurting.
And a human being is holistic.
That means everything.
It means my energy, my thoughts,my beliefs, my relationships,
internal, external, my physicalhealth, my these are all
components of what holistichealth is.
And we can't just look at theone isolated component.
So we've been taught to dothings with our bodies that just

(46:52):
don't work.
Like the idea of biohacking.
Where do we think that we'resmarter than the creation that
that made us?
I really love technology andsolutions that give back the
environment, but I don't believeI'm smarter than this
environment.

SPEAKER_02 (47:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:10):
And and and by the way, top, top, top biohackers in
the world end up somewhere in mypresence fixing things.
And the reason for that is thatthey believe, I believe, is
watching them as they believethat they know that they're
better than than the machine,that they know more.

SPEAKER_01 (47:32):
I I I had a fantastic chat with a
naturopathic doctor who's whoessentially said, look, 95% of
the ailments that I'm dealingwith day to day are just a um a
result of the wrong environment.
When you put a human in theright environment, we just don't
have these issues.
I think that's the like the thecore thing is that he humans,
when they're in the rightenvironment, naturally heal
themselves and perform.

(47:53):
And perform.
And this like if we go back tothe very start of this
conversation, like when youconnect, when you just sit in
presence with another human, youcalm together.
It's like your auric field oryour defenses come down.
And my belief is that it's like,hey, let's share.
Let's share our immunities,let's share our healings, let's
heal together.
I think that's that's somethingthat that I I certainly feel

(48:16):
that like when I have a goodconversation, a good meeting
with somebody, I'm feeling thisnow.

SPEAKER_00 (48:19):
Can I challenge that?
Please do.
Okay.
Your body doesn't understand theword heal.
Okay.
It your body is eitherperforming or not performing.

SPEAKER_02 (48:35):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (48:36):
So if somebody's been there a clinical
practitioner, they're listeningto this, they they'll be able to
understand this.
If somebody has a they wouldoften come in in the clinic,
there'd be a 12-week cycle withus in the clinic, and they would
be six weeks in, they'd be, Ineed an appointment with Gary
now.
I need there's something wrong.
I want to talk to him.
I've spent all this money.
I'm six weeks in.
I've been here, I still have ashoulder problem.

(48:57):
I take their clinical notes andI'm like, hmm, okay.
How's that leg that you came infor?
When the body performs, weliterally biologically forget
about the problem and we justmove on to the next, which is
which we call healing.

(49:18):
So if we're performing betterout of a deficit, we call
healing.
But at some point it changesinto performance.
And what is performance?
It's adaptability to theenvironment.
Healing is a very religious wordthat, because I'm trying to heal
my trauma.
So it me puts me in this box.
It's a measurement that puts me,and this there's no judgment.

(49:40):
I came from um$17.5 million, 35years, 20 years trying to do it
with$2.5 million of healingmyself.
As a practitioner, another$15million,$17.5 million, hundreds
of practitioners, one of thebiggest practices in the world,
only to find out that during thepandemic I did these small
little movements and my bodystarted performing.

(50:01):
And what does performance looklike?
I feel good.

SPEAKER_01 (50:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:04):
What does not performance look like?
I don't feel good.
And if I don't feel good longenough, the accumulation of that
is sickness.

SPEAKER_01 (50:12):
So disease.
What you're saying is look, abody is in either one of two
states sickness or performance.

SPEAKER_00 (50:18):
Or performance or not performance.
Again, sickness is because letme give you, let me just kind of
draw another picture for you.
If you have a flu, yeah, um,everybody says you're sick.
Yeah.
Biologically, scientifically,you're healing.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (50:35):
Yeah, I I totally get that.

SPEAKER_00 (50:37):
I love that idea that's a good thing.
So if you're healing at thatmoment, then what are you
healing from?
Yeah.
What was sick?
That was your life was sick,that's why you're there.
But the things that we callsickness are the healing.
Cancer is not sickness.
Cancer is the body doing itsbest to adapt to an environment

(50:58):
that you put it in over time.
And and these are these are allmechanisms of the body trying to
heal itself.
But we've labeled them and saidthe body's doing the wrong
thing.

SPEAKER_01 (51:12):
Bear with me.
You say hand share so muchsimultaneously that I almost
need to read rewind and likepick apart.
Let me get into that cancerdefinition.
So cancer is the the body'sability, or sorry, the body
trying to um settle into normsthat you're attached to that

(51:33):
aren't actually positive foryou.
Patterns.
Patterns.
Okay, so let's say, for example,like you're forcing yourself to
be in an environment that itreally shouldn't be in.
Your body adapts the best itcan.
The body adapts the best it can,and unfortunately.
And when it can't anymore, itspins out of whack.

SPEAKER_00 (51:48):
Yeah, when it can't anymore, it tells you.
But the first time that you eatuh chemicals in your food, your
body goes, Whoa, wait a second,don't like it.
But then you eat it again, itbalances off with the food, the
drug of the food, and theneventually it goes, Okay, you
want to keep putting this in?
I'll keep doing this, I'll keepbalancing this way because I
want the the other part of it.

SPEAKER_01 (52:08):
But unfortunately, you'll pay the end result down
the line.
And you will.
Okay.
And that is not just the same asa meal, that is the same as an
environment, that is the same asa relationship.
Everything.
Everything.
Okay.
Perfect.
I get that.
I actually understand that.
I I really, really like that.

SPEAKER_00 (52:23):
Um and then when you remove the intolerant, like
people go get healthy or theythey clean up their act and
their food and theirenvironment, and they introduce
that intolerant again, your bodywill violently react against it.
It goes, wait a second here,dude.
I held on with you for the last14 years while you went through

(52:45):
this shit.
I I created enough pain that youfinally did something about it.
Now we're out of it, and youwant to do it again?
No way.
And that's where adjutants causethis adverse reaction when
people clean up their lives.

SPEAKER_01 (52:58):
Lovely, this hypersensitivity that comes.

SPEAKER_00 (53:00):
Yeah, it's not hypersensitivity.
Your body's just saying,uh-uh-uh-uh.
Yeah.
It's you know, it's because youwere so unsensitive for so long,
your body just says, No way,dude, we're not doing this
again.

SPEAKER_01 (53:12):
Okay, so let me look at that because my idea is my my
belief is that nothing willshape you, impact you, or impact
on you like your environment orthe company you keep.
And so when so many people areare thinking about disease and
they're thinking, oh, you know,this will cause disease, or this
will cause disease, really, whatI'd be thinking is actually your
environment and the peopleyou're in connection with are
the greatest catalysts fordisease.

SPEAKER_00 (53:32):
Absolutely 100%.
But let me break down the worddisease.
Disease is the body's not atease.
So if you have fear in your bodyright now or grief in your body,
are you at ease?

SPEAKER_01 (53:41):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (53:42):
No.
If you leave that fear in yourbody and you fear your spouse is
going to leave you, your job isgonna be ending, your fear that
the World War III is coming,whatever that fear is.
When you go, that low-level fearpumps adrenaline in your system.
When you have adrenaline in yoursystem, the blood leaves your
core, your organs, it goes tothe limbs for fight or flight.
So now you go eat food.

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That food doesn't properlydigest.
And then it doesn't digestproperly, it goes into the large
intestine, sits there, and itwastes, and the body has to use
more liver energy or energy toprocess the toxins for
unprocessed food.
And you keep doing that over acourse of years while you have
this low-level fear.
Well, eventually we'll be ableto measure the biological effect

(54:23):
of you holding that fear whenyour body started being at
disease.

SPEAKER_01 (54:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:29):
And so you said that environment is the key thing.
And I'll I'll tell you this.
After doing all of the things tobe healthy in the environment
and the cities and stuff likethat that I lived in, during the
pandemic, I went into themountains in Canada.
And a little village, Hamlet, Ithink it was, or village, no,

(54:50):
it's a village, at Lines Bay,and we're on the mountain.
Um, and we have virtuallynothing around us, very little
Wi-Fi, very we have electricity,but just very little.
We have bears and everythingwalking through.
Um, we we look over the top ofthe ocean, we go to the ocean
every day.
Out of all the money I spent,biohacking and clinical and IVs

(55:13):
and all that stuff, that two anda half, three years in that
environment is what radicallyshifted everything.

SPEAKER_01 (55:21):
I experienced something somewhat similar with
you.
Yeah.
We over in Texas on Molly'sfarm, yeah, where we were
staying in a regenerative farmtogether.
And so literally we were eatingfarm to table, as in whatever we
were eating was picked orslaughtered that day.
And almost like we despite thelong flying and getting there
and everything like that, withinabout two or three days of

(55:42):
eating that food, the energythat I experienced was unlike
anything I've experiencedbefore.
The need for sleep is welldiminished.
I was getting by a four or fivehour sleep and feeling
fantastic.
I it's like I couldn't sleepanymore.
I just had this buzz inside me.
There was obviously no Wi-Fi.
We were walking around in naturethe whole time.
It was very, uh, very similarlyimpacting, although obviously

(56:03):
that was only two weeks for me.
It was two years for you on theother hand.
It's I think it's I love thatsaying that once you see
something, you can't unsee it.
Right.
Once you experience it, youcan't not.
And we as humans were fantasticat settling as well, settling
into the wrong environment,putting up with things we
shouldn't have and just gettingon with it.
But when we experience theopposite and we see how negative

(56:25):
that is, yeah, we have thisreaction.
We cannot go back to it.
Um I had a similar, a somewhatsimilar experience in COVID,
where the home that I'd lived infor 10 plus years and thought
nothing of the ill effects of itin COVID, when all the building
stopped and people left thecities and things went quiet, I
experienced quiet and my nervoussystem just calmed.

(56:49):
I felt amazing.
And then when they when thebuilding started again and
people started coming into town,the noise was so repulsive to me
that I immediately had to leave.
I couldn't put up with itanymore.
Which I I yeah, I people wouldlook at me with like have 10
heads, being like, Why can't youlike a city?
But once I've experienced thequiet of elsewhere, it's it's
you know, you can do it for afew days, but after a while, you

(57:10):
just know the negative impactthat it's having on you.
And it's there's this impulsiveheart calling of get out of
there, it's not serving you.

SPEAKER_00 (57:17):
Yeah, we we like for me when I separated myself, you
know, from people in nature, andalso too, we had a very little
limited contact.
We only had a small group ofpeople we saw personally, very,
very small, and for for threeyears, it gave me the ability to
find myself again.
Because what happens is that Igo into an environment, I don't

(57:39):
know if it's the environmentthat's causing me to react a
certain way, the chemicals,maybe the people, but there's so
much input coming, we no longerknow where it's coming from.
And being three years lockedaway in the in the mountains,
uh, that clarity and working onmy my holistic health and my

(58:04):
fascia, my ability to perceiveand receive.
Um that's what allowed me totransition and and change the
way that I came out in the worldbecause all of a sudden I could
separate the granular feelings.
That's the environment, that's aperson, that's actually me, or
that's triggering something inme, or that's trigger that

(58:24):
person's triggering something inme.
But it I was able to separate mefrom the environment and the
other people.
That's where the magic started.
That's where everythinghappened.
And and to be honest with you, Idon't I don't know a lot of
people.
I mean, Jason, Cynthia, Aisha,um, Anella, they've been able to

(58:45):
do those things.
Um, but I don't know a lot ofother people that that have
really been able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (58:51):
Can almost detach themselves societally, simplify
their lives, and really seewhat's working for them, what's
not, and rearrange their livesto suit.

SPEAKER_00 (59:01):
Yeah, or just know where I stand in amongst that
sea of information.
Because we have so much stimulustoday.

SPEAKER_01 (59:09):
That that's when you were sharing that, what I was
thinking of is yeah, when whenthere's so much going on, we're
so overstimulated that the bodyactually has to numb just to put
up with that.

SPEAKER_00 (59:20):
And that's what we get when we work with people and
they're like, I don't feelanything.
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
But when you do feel something,you're gonna feel it in a big
way because if you're notfeeling something from that's
changing in your body, if you'renot aware, that means you've
means that you've dumbed down,numbed down everything so long

(59:41):
that you no longer have theability to sense or feel how you
differentiate yourself from theenvironment.
And um, by far, the majority ofpeople are there right now.
90% of the people are in thatstatus in some degree or not.
And there's a few people thatactually can sense.
Um, A lot of people that arepractitioners or healers or

(01:00:03):
whatever, they're just soshell-shocked in their own world
of dealing with people like Iwas when I came out of the
clinic, that people's energy, Ijust needed to be away.
I would go in and help peoplefor a period of time and then
retreat because they overwhelmedme.

(01:00:23):
And if this is something Ilearned when I met you, when we
met on the beginning of theworld tour.
That world tour, I met tens andtens and tens of thousands of
people in person and touchedsometimes six, seven hundred
people in a single day.
And if I had tried to do thatwhile I was in clinic, I would
have crashed the first day andnever would have recovered.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:44):
So something in me allowed that capacity and that
flow to change.
And this is where I see part ofthe problem is with people is
that they've never emptied theirbucket.
Yeah.
And to empty your bucket, you intoday's world, you pretty much
need to disconnect for a periodof time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:06):
I'm getting this big philosophy of life.
It's like uh a path, but the butit it it really starts with that
that disconnect.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:16):
You have to disconnect to reconnect.
And you have to do it longenough that when you reconnect,
you can feel the granulardifferent differences in those
connections.
And and honestly, you need todisconnect, reconnect for a bit,
come back, reconnect, come back,so that you get good at it like
anything else that you do inyour life.

(01:01:37):
You need to do it a bunch oftimes.
And by the way, the mostpowerful way I did this is I
would with uh Jason and Aisha,we did a 44-day fast.
That disconnected me from food,from life, from everybody.
And then, and then for the twoyears after that, I went seven,
10, 15, 20 days every monthfasting.

(01:01:57):
That disconnection was literallythe turning point in my life.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:03):
It's also another one that you've we we've kind of
touched on a little bit, butit's it's the disconnecting from
media.
It's the disconnecting from thenews, it's disconnecting from
your thoughts around the news ofhow things should be or how
things shouldn't be, and a bigacceptance.
Um, like I know that acceptanceis you know, it's about personal
situations, but it's also like Ifind myself, I can very quickly

(01:02:25):
find myself triggered by what'sgoing on in the news, what I
should know.
And a lot of the philosophy thatI'm hearing from you is like,
Jamie, don't think you knowbetter than how or how events
should be unfolding, differentto how they actually are.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:39):
And you and listen, I I came from the world of
keeping secrets for governments.
What you're reading in the newsis not the news.
It never is.
It's it it never is.
So people that want to becurrent in the news, you're
actually current in infallacies, because the news is
it's designed to give a veryspecific impression on you and

(01:03:04):
create an effect on yourbiological, emotional
well-being.
It's not authentic in any way,shape, or form.
There is no news anywhere that'sauthentic.
It's skewed by somebody'sopinion.
And the people that thinkthey're telling the news
authentically, they're getting aline of something from somebody
who's got a propaganda machinethat's up against it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:25):
I had a weird experience recently.
I um found myself really upsetby a piece of um content very
pro-Palestine in thePalestine-Israel conflict.
And uh and so I shared it.
And I just thought, oh God, thisis heartbreaking.
Some of my Israeli friends sentme a message and they said,
Jamie, do you realize that's allpropaganda?
Look at what we're watching.
And I saw pretty much a carboncopy of what I had seen, just

(01:03:47):
with the other side to it.
Yeah.
Look at this call the colorrevolution.
That frightened me of like howexactly similar they were.
The conviction, the tone, theeverything, the production, like
literally mirrors of each other.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:00):
Children being held by the same people, images used
in different wars.
It's called the colorrevolution.
The CIA has been running colorrevolutions around the world to
control and make the US dominantin the military force and the
control aspects of the world.
It's been happening for a longtime.
You can go read about it.
And people look at it and theygo, we know the US has been

(01:04:23):
running this color revolutionworldwide, throwing and bringing
dictators like Osama bin Laden,he worked for us.
We we sent them money, wetrained him.
These color revolutions arecoming and going, but
simultaneously it's happeninginside of us.
It's happening in the way uh thescripting in Hollywood.
Like if you want to dig underthe covers, like the programming

(01:04:47):
that that that makes us sick isis it's at the deep level.
Like you can't watch a Netflixfilm or a Hollywood budget of
film without somebody beinggoing to a doctor, being sick,
taking a prescription.
Yeah, this is actually I can'twatch movies anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:03):
I don't I don't watch any of them.
I don't even watch the good onesanymore because you know when
they're panicked or stressed,they go to the bar to drink
alone.
Um when an issue like actually,so many of the issues that we're
experiencing in our lives, youjust see them played out and
essentially almost broadcast areprogrammed through to the point
that it's yeah, to the pointthat I feel like I'm getting a
raw deal.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:22):
So I had I remember once when I I realized the level
of programming, but uh in adifferent way.
I in about 30 years, no, about25 years ago, we I took my kids
to the movie and watched A Bug'sLife.
And I had my mom there too.
So we have three generationswatching the movie.
And at certain intersectionpoints in the movie, we're all

(01:05:44):
laughing.
But I realized that we'relaughing for different reasons.
So it's comedy that thestoryline was so brilliantly
made that my kids were laughingbecause of something funny.
I was laughing because ofsomething funny, and my mother
was laughing because ofsomething funny, but there were
three different viewpoints ofwhy that was funny at the same

(01:06:04):
time.
I'm like, wow, what aninteresting piece of
architecture to explain humaninteraction.
So I went off and teachingpeople about businesses and
motivation and how to runthings, and and I use these
examples from a bug's life.
I'd literally take take slidesout and situations because
everybody had seen it.
And I'd and I'd use it and say,see, this is a the hero's

(01:06:29):
journey, you know, like um Isomebody's got to stand up
against them.
They come, they eat, they do.
And insectopia, all of these bigconcepts.
And what happened is during thepandemic, uh, we were inside, we
had disconnected from media fora long time, and we decided to
watch a movie and we put on BugsLife.

(01:06:50):
And I hadn't watched anything inmaybe a year, and all of a
sudden it's like, oh my gosh,that wasn't the Bug's Life
wasn't a good example of of whatwas going on in society.
It was, I realized that we'reshowing these very complex
situations, and we're showing itto kids who are forming their

(01:07:14):
viewpoint of how society works.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:17):
Like the one where the ants are all marching and
they're carrying stuff, and astick falls in the ant line, and
they answer it on their side.
Oh my god, we're gonna die.
We're gonna, we're never gonnamake it, we're gonna starve out
here, and all the ants behind,like, it's over, throw it all
up.
And then they the the supervisorcomes and says, Hold on, I'm the
supervisor ant.
I have a solution to theproblem.

(01:07:37):
He surveys it and he goes, Walkaround the twig.
And it was, oh, we're saved.
And then I thought, at that timeit was really funny when I
watched it 25 years ago.
But when I watched it with neweyes, um, without my kids,
without a media, I realizedthose are the things that we're

(01:07:58):
telling our kids the way thatthe world works.
So it wasn't a funnyrepresentation, it was pure
programming.
And I knew there wasprogramming, but I I was even
shocked at the levels ofprogramming that there are.
And when you go into mediatoday, the programming is
prolific and thick.
So I don't, and even socialmedia, for the most part, I

(01:08:19):
don't consume social media, eventhough ironically we're a
massive social media company.
Yeah, I consume our content, Ilook at it, I look at people
whose contents like it to seewhat they're saying and doing a
little bit, like 10%.
But the attributes ofprogramming, the the human body

(01:08:41):
is a fluid adaptive biologicalcomputing system.
It can be programmed by wind,sound, touch, light, words,
inflection, everything.
And they all of these thingstrigger something in our nervous
system.
And that's when I realized thatthat's what was going on.
That's when I no longer wantedto be in this world of privacy

(01:09:02):
and encryption and part of thesystems that that were
programming us.
That was my first thing.
I don't want to be in thisprogramming engine anymore.
And I, you know, I've I've I'veshared some stuff with you
privately, but I can share somestuff, I won't publicly share
it, but there's stuff that thatI've shared with you privately
that are just shocking to a coreat the level of what is being

(01:09:24):
done to us or programming to us.
And for the most part the yourgeneration, 30 somethings right
now, 70% of what your baselineof what reality is is just stuff
that's been programmed hardcorethrough media since you were

(01:09:47):
born.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:47):
Which is a kind of a a uh so there's a lot in that.
There's a lot to kind of takein, there's a lot to process of
like the idea that we have beenprogrammed at an early, early
age.
And we still are it's funny, thethought it might be disruptive.
The thought might be a bit like,no, no, no, that's not the case.
But we have no problem lookingback to Nazi Germany and looking

(01:10:09):
at Goebbels and saying, oh, hewas the minister of propaganda,
and they had the Hitler youth,and they were programming them
with their ideology at the time.
We've no idea no problemthinking that, well, one second,
a nation had that sophistication80 years ago to do that, but
that couldn't be done now.
That I find quite I find there'sa there's clues for the present

(01:10:30):
in the past.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:31):
We were just talking about that earlier.
The the the the the to be themaster architect of your own
life, it's to realize thepattern when you're in it, not
when it's gone.
Whether that's emotional,whether that's a relationship
pattern, it's to realize thatit's happening right now.

(01:10:53):
Like we are going through uhdisintermediation of society
right now.
And we're gonna look back atthis in 20 years and go, that's
the time it changed.
But while it's happening, Imean, look around right now.
Basically, everything that'sgoing on in the world, natural
disasters, families breaking up,uh, mother and children, and
father and son splitting up, um,birds falling out of skies, uh,

(01:11:16):
all this stuff.
We actually wrote about all thisstuff.
It was biblical, it was all overthe place.
We are in biblical end times.
That doesn't mean the world'sgonna end, it means that the
times that we were, which werethe age of Pisces, is ending.
And we know it's gonna endbecause we were told thousands
of years ago, or at leasthundreds from what we can read,

(01:11:38):
that it was gonna end with thesesigns.
And these signs are here now,and people are like, whoa,
that's look at that naturaldisaster.
Look at those birds dying, lookat all the oceans happening and
all these things.
So the mastery in all of this isto recognize where I am in space
and time right now.
And I always say to people, whatare we doing today?
What am I doing right now?

(01:11:59):
That in 30 years I'm gonna lookback and say, that was stupid.
And I ask myself that questionevery day.
And by asking myself thatquestion, I can go, oh, wait a
second here.
That probably isn't the smartestthing.
I mean, it felt good at themoment, or or it seemed like it
worked, but probably somewherealong the line, that's not gonna
be the best thing.
And that's whereself-actualization comes from.

(01:12:22):
It's to recognize that I'm inthe pattern before I get out of
the pattern.
And that just speeds myevolution.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:28):
So let me let me ask, because all of that seems
to tee up this this this futurevision.
What is your future vision?
Where do you feel all of this isleading towards?
What is the world of 10 years'time, 20 years' time from here?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:40):
Well, I think people that are messing around trying
to figure out what crypto sourceis going to be in the next
currency completely crazy.
Um like for example, currency,current, it's supposed to be a
current.
And when you block a current, itcreates a dam and it and then
the water becomes putrid.
Currency, it's supposed to be aflow.

(01:13:01):
It never was supposed to beblocked and dammed.
It's supposed to be in the flow.
And money currently is ablockage of currency.
So what we index our valueagainst is gonna change.
Like, I'll give you one.
Everything in all this equipmentthat we're using here, um, the

(01:13:22):
resources to make all this stuffis free of charge.
It's on the earth.
And what we pay for is somebodyto come up with the idea,
someone to find the resources,someone to put together, someone
to sell it, ship it, fix it, andthen dispose of it.
So what we're paying for in allof these things that we have is
human time.

(01:13:43):
That's what it is.
Because if it wasn't for thehuman time, the cost of this
stuff is is nothing.
So we have robots right now,which is a real thing, and we
have AI, and those robots can doeverything that you that us
humans can do better.
And I can buy a robot and I canI want to dish in my house, I

(01:14:04):
can build it.
I don't have the lumber.
Those trees out there, I can gocut the trees.
It's tools, or I can 3D printthe tools.
At some point, because we usedto pay for human time, human
time's um involvement in thingsthat we need to survive is going
to drop very rapidly over thenext couple of years.

(01:14:27):
But the way our economic systemis based is based on scarcity.
And what is it scarce?
What is scarce?
Human time.
You're paying for human time, sothe money that we use is to pay
for part of the life of a human.
When I give you a dollar bill,I'm giving you somebody's life.
That's what I'm giving you.
Because somebody had to findthat rare resource or that value

(01:14:49):
and accumulate it, save it.
So I'm giving you when I'mgiving around money, I'm
actually giving away people'slives.
That's gonna change.
Now, what that looks like, I'mnot even clear.
But I know that the economicsystems that we currently barter
on and trade up on are all gonnachange.
And what that does to the fabricof society.

(01:15:11):
I'll tell you another one.
It's gonna be a fun one to comeup.
Um, I was part of a project inthe late 80s where we created
the first digital signature,binding legal signature over the
internet.
Changed the notary public law inthe state of Washington.
The company's called ID certify.
You can go look at it.
I provide the bandwidthsolution, I was part of a team.

(01:15:32):
So we created the first digitalsignature, sold it to Boeing.
Boeing used it.
And that identified, thatallowed to identify who you
were.
Like your identity and yourauthority is what you need to
create legality in a signature.
That's why you go in a bank,it's like, here's my ID, I can

(01:15:52):
see, sometimes a thumbprint inthe United States, to prove that
that's you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:56):
And then what authority you have.
So we put this into a piece oftechnology, it's first
blockchain technically.
Um, and we're using it in themid-80s or sorry, mid-90s.
Now, now we currently we'resigning everything with
DocuSign.
Everybody signs it.
So there's contracts.
At first it was just simplecontracts, but now it's like

(01:16:19):
contracts about governments andcontracts about buying and
selling houses.
But I can take your phone andsign your document, right?
Somewhere, somebody's who has abillion dollars out is gonna
challenge that signature andthey're gonna win.

(01:16:40):
And you know when a lawyer uh orwhen a cop and in in uh messes
with evidence and they getcaught, then all of their cases
get reviewed.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:52):
Somewhere, somebody's gonna go, that wasn't
me, and they're gonna prove it.
And look at all of the transferof assets in the world and
agreements that have been beendone under this guise of you
signed it and I signed it.
And we're gonna have to, it'sgonna force us to fall back on
the instead of I have yoursignature, to the heart of the
agreement, which is I made anagreement with you, we shook

(01:17:13):
each other's hands, we lookedeach other in the eyes, we
believe in each other, we stillwant to have this agreement.
So it's gonna force agreementpeople to have agreements that
either they either they agreed,and that's true nature of the
agreement, or they disagreed andthey were trying to do something
wrong.
That's gonna come up in the nextcouple of years.
So these things are gonnadisintermediate society in ways

(01:17:36):
that nobody can even begin toimagine.
I'm a very, very future thinker,like in this insane way.
And I think of these littledetails all the time.
It's in my mind all the time.
And that's this is going toshift the other one, which is
which is the one I came from,privacy.

(01:17:58):
Everything that you've said for30 years, everything that you've
ever said has been recorded.
You don't you're you're in aroom like this, you don't have
your phone on.
You first of all, you think yourphone's turned off, it's not.
You don't have your phone on,you don't have your phone with
you, but somebody else's phoneis in the room.
So that's all called metadata.

(01:18:19):
You go to a bank teller, ittakes your picture.
You walk across the street, ittakes your picture.
All those things, you get in theUber car, and it's recorded.
All these things have beenrecorded, but right now there's
very few people and very fewsystems in the world that have
the power to go and assimilatethat data to make it useful.

(01:18:39):
Within two years, my kids, mygrandkids will be able to go and
look and find my voice throughthat signature with AI from
every device where it's everbeen stored anywhere in the
world.
So every shitty thing I've eversaid about anybody, every lie
that I've ever told is going tobe up for grabs and exposed.

(01:19:01):
And what that's gonna do isbring about uh guilt and shame.
And these are things that arevalue of society, agreements,
guilt and shame for what I am orwhat I've done.
These are the things that theworld is about to face, and it's
coming fast, like a freighttrain over the next 48 months.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:20):
That image, um, I'm thinking of Enemy of the State
with Will Smith, where they kindof demonstrated, and that was, I
think that's like 15, 20 yearsold now as a movie.
But even that level of trackingand uh an insight into
somebody's world was shocking.
And by the way, fast forward 20years.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:37):
They were doing that 15 to 20 years before that
movie.
That's the world I came from.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:41):
But that idea, yeah, of to with AI read someone's
data, read someone's image, andthen trace it through the whole
library of content.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:50):
Like an anthropologist, I'll not only be
able to follow and and and lookat where you went and where you
ate and stuff like that, I'll beable to listen to the
conversations and see thepictures that you showed on your
phones and the text messages.
So I wrote a thing calledPrivacy is my disease in 2020
when I realized this.
And I first of all, I startedtelling everything in my life
that that I'd ever done wrong.

(01:20:12):
I just put it out there becauseI knew that that it like just
even from a simple PRperspective, get ahead of it.
Tell the world, if the world'sgoing this way, I might as well
be the first one.
Just jump in the water.
I just jumped in the water andstarted sharing everything that
I've ever ever done in my lifeand exposed it all and took all
the secrets away.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:30):
But also, again, circling right back.
That's acceptance.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:33):
That's just, hey, I am who I am.
Well, we come all the way backto the beginning of the
conversation and and acceptancefor me was taking away the veil,
the the lies that I told topeople through the story.
It is who I am that I am.
And and the idea that today Ihave cameras on me almost 24
hours a day.

(01:20:54):
And and there are things thatare that I say in some, there's
every once in a while I go,maybe I shouldn't have said it
that way.
But I did.
And for the most part, likethat's open game and open source
for people.
Because I say stuff on in opensettings where people recorded
me and I don't know.
It happens every single day,ends up on social networks or

(01:21:15):
something like that.
I get recorded all the time.
And what if I just live my lifelike every moment was recorded,
every moment was public.
What kind of person would I be?
And what would that do to me?
How would my healing go?
Or how would my life be?
And this is where we are today.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:34):
As I'm hearing that, I'm thinking that's a hell of a
tool to find yourself present.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:38):
Well, people are people are either gonna, Jamie,
people are either going toproactively do this or they will
be reactively put into thissituation.
This will happen in the next 24to 36 months.
No matter, no matter what peoplethink, this is happening.

(01:22:00):
It's here.
And I think it's the best thingbecause like the greatest relief
when I wrote Privacy is mydisease, nobody knew that I'd
gone to prison in them in theworld that I'd become famous in,
which was medicine andhealthcare.
And when I wrote it, people eventhat were close to me go, Wow, I
can't believe you shared that.

(01:22:20):
I mean, looking back at it, it'snothing now, but they're like,
Wow, I can't believe you sharedthat.
That's so authentic.
That touched me in a way.
And here's what I found out.
It's like when I found out I'dbeen sexually abused, I shared
it.
I hold no secrets, and because Ihold no secrets, I hold no
shame.
And I hold no shame that I canfunction.
And listen, I don't doeverything, right?

(01:22:41):
I I screw up daily.
But screwing up and and how Ideal with that, that's just part
of who I am.
And and I'm okay.
Like, well, I send text messagesto you, like 90% of this they're
90% of the time they're spellingerrors.
I don't care.
Yeah, that's just who I am.
I don't try to make it sociallycorrect.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:03):
It's a piece, it's a taking the pressure off your
shoulders, it's a, you know,there's you're not trying to be
a perfectionist, you're justbeing true to who you are, how
you are.
And with that, you're relievingyourself of an enormity of
stress, the likes of which lotsof people put on themselves,
lots of people allow the worldto put on themselves.
And then even for what you'resharing about this idea of
metadata with regards to people,it's like, do you know what?

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:26):
So what?
Yeah.
And and that's the only way.
Listen, I'm I'm I'm bringingsomething to the world, and I
have a team of people doing it,but this was my this is my
vision coming to life.
I'm bringing something to theworld, and I cared so deeply
that people would experiencefascial maneuvers and the

(01:23:47):
transformation that happened.
Like my biological age last yearwas 30, and and uh the last I
have to redo it, but said it was24, but I have to redo it.
I'm getting younger, feelingbetter by these practices, which
isn't a lot of technology, it'sreally a lot of radical
acceptance and and moving mybody and cutting out chemicals

(01:24:08):
and all the things that I do.
I so badly wanted people toexperience this level of
transformation that I didn'twant to be the guy who screwed
it up.
I'd screwed up so many otherthings in my life.
And the only thing that can hurtthe movement of human garage

(01:24:30):
right now, the only thing thatcould hurt us would be would be
deception or me not being who Iam, or some untruth or unspoken.
And it's it's like I own it.
It is what I am and who I am,and everything I've done or am
doing or have done, it's clearbecause shame is what takes

(01:24:53):
things down in society, it takespeople down, and shame is
feeling wrong because I didsomething.
And I'm I'm not, but it it's awild tool that wields society
and and it starts like if youlook at shame, which is which
people are gonna deal with,shame starts in programming.
You know where it starts?

(01:25:13):
Things like the game of tag.
Tag, you're it's because I don'twant to be it, you're it.
That's actually shame.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:21):
And the opposite to shame, the weapon to shame is
acceptance.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:25):
Which where we started it off.
So we have this big bowl andcircle, and we've talked about
all of these things, but thecore of it all is to accept who
I am.
And I have accepted who I am,and I accepted, accepted why I'm
here, and accepted, and for thefirst time in my life, I

(01:25:48):
actually really, really, reallylike who I am and where I'm
going.
And there's things I want tochange.
It's I'm always bombarded bythings, and I want to be better
in every way, which doesn't meanI'm not good.
I want to improve and makethings happen.
But this acceptance that I haveof myself and and this also

(01:26:09):
acceptance of the journey thatI, with my free will and some
other place, pick to be here isthe coolest thing that I could
ever share with you.
It's like, how cool is it toknow why you came here to this
earth to be 100% crystal clearto the point where this is it.
If I if I die doing this today,I've done it.

(01:26:32):
I've already accomplished thegoal that I came here as a human
being.
And I think there's a lot moreto go, but I'm okay if this ends
right now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:42):
That's your mic drop moment.
That's our end.
Gary, thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Jamie.

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