Above and Below Paranormal with Brandon Hoch

This episode we welcome the founder of Above and Below Paranormal, Brandon Hoch. Above and Below Paranormal are based in Maryland and have been focused on private cases and helping people and families with their paranormal issues. We chat with Brandon about how he started his team, his thoughts on equipment and investigating, and he even tells us about a few experiences he has had.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Join us as we dive into the history, hauntings, and
high strangers of the world to try to better understand
the paranormal. I will be your guide. I am paranormal
researcher and investigator Eric Freeman Simms. Welcome to the Unseen
Paranormal Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. Thank you for
joining us today. Thanks for tuning in. Today we're talking
to a great guy, Brandon. He is the founder of
Above and Below Paranormal up in the New England States,
up in Maryland of that area, and it's really cool
because their team kind of specializes in private investigations and
have been doing lots of that stuff to help people.

(00:46):
So love talking to people like him just because he's
out there doing good things in the paranormal world. So
without further ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.
Hey Brandon, thanks for joining us today.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh thanks for having me man, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
My pleasure. Man. I wanted to have you on, so
I kind of got to know you through buddy John Curley.
He's a good friend of the show as well. Everybody
should know if they watch everything John's we do live
stream and stuff together and you're you're up in the
kind of the area he is up in Maryland. He's
in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, but you're not too far from him.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, it's about an hour and fifteen minutes. Yeah, pretty close.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's the kind of the same area of the country
and kind of same stomping grounds with Gettysburg and all
those places. So you're the founder of Above and Blow paranormal.
But what got you interest in the paranormal to begin with?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I always kind of believed. I never like I had
a really big experience. I know, a lot of people
say like they had experience like seven eight, yeah, all that.
I never really like had anything that stood out. I
just always kind of believed, you know, I just always
had a feeling and like always had like a pretty
good intuition about stuff. And then I would say probably

(01:54):
right around when ghost Hunters came out, I kind of
started to really follow it and get into it and
start researching it, just looking at different things in a
different perspective, actually trying to like explain these things. You know,
for instance, you hear a knock, well was it a
pipe banging? And you know, like go look things like that.
So it just kind of progressed and then when I
turned eighteen, I had a really really uh whole but

(02:17):
like weird experience. Long story short. Three weeks to the
day after I graduated high school, my grandmother passed by
and I can't. I went and saw her at the hospital,
you know. The night she passed, I came home and
it's like everyone else, you know, I couldn't couldn't sleep,
you know, it's like hard.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm like my grandmother's tattooed on my back, like you know,
she was my purse. So she was one of my people,
like super close. And I'm just laying in bed pitch black,
like you know, I don't want the TV on. I
don't want to sound you know what I mean. Like
I'm like depressed, like I don't want to hear shit.
So I'm just laying there and I just at the
foot of my bed at the time. She just appeared.

(02:55):
Man just had like a like a whitish bluish glow,
and she just looked at me. She gave me like
this grin. The way I interpreted was she was she
was okay, you know what I mean. That's the way
I felt. I felt nothing but like positive energy and
like happiness and as soon as she came, I saw
the grin. She was gone, just like that, and they

(03:17):
went right back to a pitch black room. And that
was the experience. And like, because you know, I grew
up Catholic, so it's like, you know, I want to say,
like hit or miss with the paranol, but you know
what I mean, some people aren't just so accepting. So
I was like I need to know more. So then
I joined a team and then I just been NonStop
since COVID hit. My old team shut down and I

(03:39):
got two calls from a family friends that needed help,
and I said, hey, I called a couple of friends
and said, why don't we start a team and take
one these cases? And you know that was basically been
the past. And you know, almost three years, almost three
years coming up, we've been going.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
So yeah, So did you were you surrounded by like
family who were open to the paranormal as well? Because
I know a lot of kids, I'll talk about it
a lot on the show. I think a lot of
kids are taught out of the paranormal. And then when
we you know, get older, like I wasn't, I was
kind of my family talked about having experiences at different
places when they were kids or growing up or whatever.
My grandparents too, So were you kind of in that

(04:20):
environment where your where your parents kind of believed and
didn't kind of talk you out of it.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
So my parents are a little my well, my parents
are divorced. But there's two like completely different sides of
the spectrum. So my mom was super catholic, you know,
and was like, we don't talk about it. I don't
want to hear about it, you know, more kind of
scared so to speak, you know, type of side.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
My dad is very uh I want to say, I
guess analytical, very you know, skeptic, very set in his ways,
and he's like there's always a reason for something.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
But that's also my dad as an elevator mechanic and
you know, deals with electricity and basically can build a
circuit board from the ground, you know, so like he
always thinks there's a reason for everything. So he's always
supported me and said like, if you believe it, you know,
go find out, like go find their own answers. You know,
they're both really supportive, just in two different ways. I

(05:14):
don't want to know. My dad's like, hey, let me know,
and let's see if we can find a reasoning for it. Yeah, yeah,
get both ways.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Out of all the religions, I would think that Catholicism
would be the more supportive of the supernatural paranormal because
of all the angels and demon stuff and you know,
all of those.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I always make a joke because we had at one point,
we had a woman on the team and I won't
say her name, but she was like super religious, and
you know, she would always bring up like the Holy
Spirit and all that, and I was like, don't you
think a holy spirit is just another word for ghost?
You know what I mean? Like people use ghosts and
spirits interchangeable. Yeah, I mean, whatever you want to you
call it, you know, that's on you. But a lot

(05:53):
of people who interchange them. So if you say holy spirit,
don't you think it just means a ghost?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Right? Well, I grew up in the Bible Belt here
where it's it's mainly Baptist in Church of Christ, and
we have it now it's a bigger population Catholics, But
growing up that's I mean, in small town, that's what
you get, and everything is demonic to them. So anything paranormal,
supernatural in that realm, ghost, they don't believe in it.

(06:19):
It's demonic. It's a demon. If you've got a ghost
in your house, it's a demon. You need to you know,
you have the priests come. So that's what I grew up.
I didn't grow up. I find if there is a
religion that I would ever believe in, because I'm agnostic,
I would want it to be Catholicism because the whole
angels and demons and like, the whole, like because I
love the movie Constantine and you know, like and so

(06:43):
I'd want that to be the true you know, if
there if there is a god and the devil, that
that would be the what's going on behind the scenes,
you know, supernatural wise. But no, I always find it.
I always find it interesting to see how people grew up, because,
like I said, you get so many kids that are
taught out of it that maybe having an imaginary friend
it's not so imaginary things like that, or have experiences

(07:06):
when they're younger. But like you said, a lot of
us do have experiences when we're younger. My first experience
was when I was eight, which is an interesting age
rains to have one, but but yeah, it's interesting. I
was always the weird kid who was looking for the
supernatural books at the book fair and things like that
as well, going to the library and seeking out all
that stuff before the Internet. And I'm a little older

(07:29):
than you, so I was around before I started investigating,
before ghost hunters and TV shows.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
But yeah, it started probably right when I was like
late elementary, early middle school, because I'm thirty one. So, yeah,
you do the math. I think it came out like
two thousand and two something like that, so that was
about ten give or take.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah, yeah, I've got ten years on you on forty one.
So but do y'all focus on mainly residential cases like
private cases or do you do a kind of a
mix of public and private places.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
So it started as a lot of residentials. We always
talked about doing publics because something I believe in is history,
and I'm a firm believer in that if you don't
help keep history alive, somebody will come in and demo
the building. Right Like if you didn't buy the Nighthouse,
it could have turned into an apartment complex. You don't know,

(08:19):
So you know, I try to do my part. All
the proceeds go back to the location. We don't make anything.
The only thing I tell the owners, is hey, if
we host a public ghost hunt, I want, you know,
let's just say sixty bucks. We're just gonna buy pizzas.
And that way the guests can have dinner, everybody has
a good time and we investigate, you know what I mean. Like,
that's the only like fee that I take is just
so hey, help me take sixty bucks. We'll do pizza,

(08:39):
you know what I mean. That's about it. Like I
like I said, everything else one hundred percent goes back,
Like I don't. I don't want anything because I want
you to keep your doors open, because I want to
come and investigate your place. I want the history to
be told.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
You know, you know, I had a good history teacher
that taught me. It was probably seventh grade, and he said,
you learn history so it's never forgotten, right, right, And
I'm a firm believer in that.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's that's the misnomer, especially
with the paranormal shows, is that most of us are
big thing is the history part of it. And I
always tell everybody eighty percent of what we do is history.
The twenty percent is trying to connect to that history. Yeah,
there's the paranormal. And that's what I'm trying to do
with the Nighthouse as well, is not just focus on
the you know, the paranormal stuff that helps, you know,

(09:25):
keep the location alive and help us fix the place
up and all that. But yeah, it's but it's about
keeping that history a live and telling that history. And
like you said, somebody might come along and just torn
it down and build you know, houses or something, and
that history is lost. Especially a lot of these places,
you know, with insane asylums and things like that. A

(09:48):
lot of these places like Pennhurst is somewhere that y'all,
y'all are familiar with. Horrible things happen there, and we
don't need to tear a place like that down. We
need to keep telling that story so that doesn't happen again. Yes,
you know.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
And the first time I went there, I went like
it was either twenty sixteen, it had to be twenty
sixteen because I had my daughter in twenty seventeen, So
about twenty sixteen we went and they had I think
fourteen buildings and now they're down to like six or seven. Yeah,
so it's just it's weird to see it, like there's
shrunk I went, you know, they got rid of like
the dining hall building and stuff like that. It's crazy.

(10:24):
And you know, they host these Perer coins and all that,
and it helps, you know, they have power in some
of these buildings which they never had before. Yeah, so
that's cool and all. But at the same time, you know,
like you said, you hate see that building torn down.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, and I can imagine what a place like that
would cost, you know, with that many buildings and things,
you know, and that big a property to keep to
keep up. You know, that's a lot of manpower and
things to mow and you know, keep nature from taking
it back over and also keep the buildings from falling
down and falling in and yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, and the state of Pennsylvania definitely doesn't help. Yeah,
they're looking forever reason to tear down and turning into
the housing development. So right, So the owner's props because
I'm sure they deal with a lot of shit that
I don't have to deal with.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, the government would like to forget what
happened there because it's a market. It is a bad
mark on them, you know. But yeah, the history is
so important at these locations, and like you said, you know,
it's we need to learn from it and do better
moving on. But what kind of equipment do y'all use?
I know you're you seem to be like a skeptic,
kind like I am looking for, you know, the real

(11:27):
reasons and things instead of just buy into everything. So
what kind of equipment do you like to use?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, so you know, over the years, I think you learned.
I'm sure Eric, there's stuff you used, you know, back
twenty years ago. Let's say when you started to now
You're like, I would never use that equipment. H It's
kind of the same way. You know, I used to
believe in the flashlights and stuff like that, and then
I found out there. Yes, you know, I've never been
a big fan of the spear box, so we have one.

(11:53):
I used it just because I wanted to try the
es this because like everybody was talking about it. But
stuff we really uses camera system them either d v R.
We have a wired wireless uh, you know, so stuff
like that. I'm trying to look up and I have
all the cases above me.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
We use e MF meters more for sweeps than communication
because I think they can throw all false positives. Yeah,
but definitely, you know, it's good to have an idea
of hey there's a you know, circuit board right there,
so good to check out ahead of time. But really
I'm more old school man. I really am. A lot
of voice recorders and a lot of video. That's pretty
much what I stick with here and there. And then

(12:30):
I have an ed I that I like because I
like having a data logger and see if there's any
comparison where I can try to back it up scientifically.
I think it's a cool idea.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
So yeah, if you're if you notice the temperature change
or very much pressure or anything like that, that's the same. Yeah, Yeah, yeah,
I was the I was eedy odds were a lot
more accessible, Like you know, fucking rim pods and and
EMF meters are so accessible and cheap. We need somebody
to come along to make an ed I that this
is that accessible because, like you said, that's actual scientific data.

(13:02):
It's where you know, rim POD's and MF checkers are
a fallible.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah. And the EDI, the people that made it, have
stopped making it. I emailed them and reached out. They
said they just had so many backlog orders that they
were just never going to catch up. Basically, Wow, Now,
I do have a friend that makes equipment and he's
tried to make his n version. He's in the middle
with his brother's a engineer, and they're trying to make one.
So if they do, I'll let you know. But yeah,

(13:26):
I don't know how I was going to work. I'm
not sure yet.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
So yeah, my buddy Austin, My buddy Austin that I
filmed with basically was he was trying to find one
he had to buy. He had end to buying a
guy's whole kit off of eBay because the guy wanted
to sell everything, all of his you know, EMF meters
and all that stuff. So Austin had to end up
paying this guy like eight hundred bucks for all of
it instead because he wouldn't just sell them the media
just so he could get one. You know.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, I bought one right before they shut down, Like
I got really lucky. And I actually was trying to
buy like two or three, and they're like, yeah, we
only have one left. I was like, okay, deal, I'm
taking it.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
So yeah, I'm not a big gadget guy either, but
that's one that I'd love to have one. Well, for sure,
I'm with you, Like I'm video audio. I want to
see it. You know.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I just feel like it's tried and true, you know, like, yeah,
it is what it is. You know, it's really hard
when it's just you. Let's let's just say you and
the nighthouse. You're there alone, and all of a sudden
you hear hello Eric, and you know no one's around,
and it's like, how do you dispute that? Yeah, you know,
it's harder to dispute. So whereas like rampids you can
set off with Walkie, they're K two's yeah, you know,

(14:33):
just there's one hundred things you can set off all
these other equipments.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
With, right, yeah, yeah, And all these people with these
apps they drive me crazy. I see people every day.
I just saw somebody on a group earlier asking what
what phone app? Does anybody recommend it? And I just
wanted to put on their Nune but they won't listen,
and they think, you know that you're hating on them
if you, you know, say, don't trust those apps, you.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Know, yeah, you know that's something I feel like has
been lost in the paranormal community.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I started when I was like sixteen, so a little
bit before eighteen, I went on my first investigation, and
you know, being thirty one now I feel like, yeah,
I got a good amount of experience. I wouldn't say
I'm no expert or anything, but I've learned, I've made
the mistakes, and I feel like when I was younger,
I would listen to people like you know, John for instance,
who has a little bit more experienced, say hey, I've

(15:20):
tried this. You know you really can't get good evidence
with that is you know, and debunked. And that's basically
what John will explain to you. Yeah, give you the
reasons why. So I try to do the same thing,
and they're like, shut up, you're just older. You don't understand,
Like maybe a little bit older, but I'm trying to
save you the embarrassment. Like some of these people are like,
I want to be taken really serious. Well, you can't
use a phone app or it's spear boxer some of

(15:40):
these other things. Say I am one hundred percent serious,
you're not.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, And I don't I don't understand why people won't
take the criticism. The biggest thing right now I see
also is the lens flair stuff. And when when you
say it's a lens flair they'll tell you, no, that's
an angel or it's this or that. I'm like, no,
it's you know, it's a lens flair. And and people
you'll have photographers tell them the same thing, and you know,
they just don't want to listen. And I understand wanting
that connection, you know, with it to be your grandparent

(16:06):
or your parent or whoever passed away, like wanting that connection,
but you know, making everything paranormal is not going to
help anything.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, And that's the worst thing about residential cases.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
I don't know how many you've done, but you know
I've I've gone in and I always interview people and
you go in and they're like, look at this picture
I take and I think it's my grandfather. And then,
like you said, you got to tell them like, hey man,
that's that's just where you like crushed their dreams. And
it's like not trying to crush your dreams. You called
me in, and I just want to be real, like
being realistic, like I want you to know, like I'm

(16:37):
not here to teach your horn, like I'm here to
tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Right. I've done quite a few residential cases, and one
reason that I never really got into doing them heavy
is because I worked in medicine for twenty years, so
I dealt with mental health on the ambulance and then
they are and I don't want to deal with that
in somebody's home, like you know, like I did that
on the ambulance, where I have to deal with them
in their home, and I don't want to try to
convince somebody having mental health issues that it's not a

(17:02):
it's not paranormal, it's not ghost, it's you know, you
it's your brain, it's you know. And I've had a
couple of cases where the people didn't want to listen.
They want to listen to the Psychic Friends Network because
their mom was their mom's friend was a psychic, you know.
But yet their husband was a gamer, so their WiFi
was given off eighteen hundred milligals of the e MF
and you know, it was affecting their two year old,

(17:25):
you know. But she didn't want to hear that because
we didn't tell it was demons. You know. She didn't
even have us back for evidence review.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah yeah, or the you know, or the cribs right
next to the circuit board.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
It was on the other side of the wall.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, it's like a yeah, your kids crying, you know,
you're having all these issues at night, and there you are.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah. And then also, you know, trying to explain people
the difference between residual and intelligent. You know, well you're
hearing the footsteps because it's residual having the same time
every day or you know often enough that it's not
something that's trying to get you. You know, nobody's going
to jump out and possess you. You know, it's it's

(18:04):
a recording the environment, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
And I always love that question, you know, like we
go to residential cases or even businesses, like we just
did a government building nearby and they wanted us to
do a public reveal for all the people and the
employees in the building because they wanted people to be aware,
which I thought was cool, and you know, they gave
us a good chance. I think we had like twenty
four twenty four people show up and they were asking

(18:26):
questions stuff like that. And the first question is is
it haunted? Yeah, I'm and I was like no. And
they're like, well, you have all these vps and you
know stuff like that, why isn't it haunted? And I said,
because I believe I need to come back three, four
or five times and consistently get stuff. We may have
just got lucky the one night right and we were
the first team ever to investigate. Maybe they said their

(18:48):
messages and now they're gone. I don't know. I don't
want to tell you the place is haunted unless I can,
you know, validate back it up and support the claims.
And you know, with all the other bullshit and all
the other stuff going on in the pair normal, I'm
even more of a stick that glitter right now because
everybody just rulesh it as paranormal or everything's just demonic,
or everything's that. So I feel like me, as someone

(19:11):
who has a team and a voice, I need to
stand up against that and say, hey, just because one
thing happened doesn't make it paranormal, right, we got to
find out the reason.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you there. And
there's unfortunately there's people out there putting out bullshit too
on purpose to further their own agendas. And we won't
get into that big topic we're talking about for recording.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh we could have along with it's along with the people.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, but I don't even want to give them the airtime.
To be honest with you, I don't, they're just not
worth it. But uh, but unfortunately they're there. You know,
it's like any other community, and the majority of people
that like listen to my show here, they're not even
in the paranormal world like we are. You know, we
we kind of get tunnel vision. I feel like sometimes
because we everything on our feeds on faceboo becau stuff

(20:00):
is all paranormal, and so that's all we see all
the time when you know, in the normal, normal world,
if you want to call it that. You know, there's
most people that you know, they listen to this show
for entertainment and you know, to be informed because they're
curious about investigations and stuff. But I kind of try
to remind myself that we're immersed in it, so it's
easier to get tunnel vision that they're you know, this

(20:23):
is a bigger issue than what it actually is.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, I mean it is. To me, it's a bigger
issue just because I feel like the people that have
put in the years and I'm not even one of
the people that I've put in you know, a lot
of years. You know, you've put in more jobs, put
in more I just feel like it's kind of a
slap in the face of them. You know. That's that's
that's what gets me.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah. Yeah, and gaslighting people and and fucking overlocations and
things like that. Yeah, it's it's yeah, I'm with you.
I mean, I'm not saying that we shouldn't stand up
against it. I'm just saying we also need to realize
the general public doesn't give a shit.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Get it.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
That's why I said it's a hit or myth line.
You know, anybody listening, you know, it's I don't want
you to like hop on board and like fight a
battle that it doesn't really mean too much for you.
But you know, it's definitely just keep an eye out
and just watch your years, surround yourself with or you know, support,
just because some of these people aren't the greatest people.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, And my biggest thing is to caution people like
you're saying, they're not the greatest people. We unfortunately have
Charlatan's it would take advantage of you and take your
money if they can fake psychics. We have pedophiles that
have been called out a lot here recently.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
People that have dressed up as police officers and pulled
people over.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
The type of that has happened.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, and so don't don't just if you need somebody
to come into your house, make sure you're doing your
due diligence on the people the team that you're bringing
into your house to help you. Or if you're going
on a public ghost hunt, you know, and you take
your children with you, watch your children because some of
these people are that are putting on some of these
events are sexual predators and we're trying to weed them

(22:05):
out now. But just you know, just because you've seen
somebody on TV doesn't mean they're trustworthy, you know. So
it's a it's a sick world unfortunately, and it and
it goes over to the paranormal too, you know, people
will I think people the general public would just think that,
you know, oh it's an innocent you know, ghost hunt whatever.
But yeah, you just need to be skeptical the people

(22:25):
that you that you go to events like that with.
You know, you're sitting in the dark with somebody, like
I said, with your kids or your teenagers or even yourself,
you know, and just make sure that you stay on guard. Yeah,
be mindful and be with with reputable respectable people.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
But yeah, my biggest advice is and Eric, I just
posted it literally right before we came on the show.
I've made a big long post. Is your research on
the teams?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
And I tell everybody, even when I take a phone call,
I may not be the right team for you. Maybe
John's team is. I'm not the right team. I hope
you find the team that you're looking for because to me,
at the end of the I want you to get
the help. You truly believe something's going on. I want
you to have the help. Yeah, you know, you won't
ever hurt my feelings if you call. And I'm sure Eric,
if anybody called you and said I really need help,
I'm sure you're they were in Maryland. You pass them along.

(23:12):
You know what I mean? To me, it's not about it.
Like to me, it's not a competition. Like John has
stuff going on in his life. He goes, hey, can
I borrow a member or two to help out on
the case. I said, yeah, John, And then I took
a case, you know, the government case, and I asked
John and said, hey, can you come along and help?
Because John has experience in it, you know, so why
not use your resources? And help each other out right,

(23:33):
you know what I mean to me, that's more paranormal
community or unity is like supporting each other when you
really need it. Yeah, not just saying it and saying,
oh I support you, you know, like we actually back
it up, we go and help.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right. And also if you if you want a team
to come in and help you because having issues, don't
ever pay anybody. That's ridiculous. They're just trying to take
you for your money and they're going to bullshit you
and they're not they're not going to be honest people
at all.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
We had a team or a location. It was in
Pennsylvania and it was some lady's house and we went
up and she goes, okay, so how much are you
what do you what do you mean how much am I?
And she got, well, we had a team in here
before and they were one fifty just to walk through
the door. Wow, said, I said, so what? I said,
one fifty just to walk through the door. I said,
how much did you pay? And they said like five

(24:22):
hundred dollars for the investigation? I said, are you kidding me? Like,
there's no way I couldn't even ask that, Like people
have handed me twenty bucks as a donation, and I
try to give it back. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Like I feel bad like even them suggesting giving me money,
I'm like, I don't do it for that. I do
it because the way I view it as you know,
me being a single day of two kids, is what

(24:42):
if I wasn't in the paranormal and all that? What
if I needed help? And I called you Eric and
was like, hey, my kids are terrified of their house
and I'm on a budget. I'm not rich by any means,
and you told me it's two hundred dollars. Well, now
my kids are still terrified, and I don't know how
to help them because I don't have the money for it, right,
you know, That's the way I view it. I try

(25:02):
to view it as what would I do or what
if I needed the help?

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah? And also it's ridiculous to pay somebody to come
in and ultimately give you evidence of something we can't
prove as well, you know, because when money's involved, that's
when people get shady and they'll start making things up
to show you, well for your five hundred dollars, we
caught this, you know, type of shit, And.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Well for five hundred more. We can come back and
get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Right right, Yeah, next time we'll bring our psychic with
us and she'll get rid of it. Yeah. So just
just precautionary stuff for people listening who aren't. And background checks. Yeah,
background check. If you're the team you called though did
not have it. I'm not saying don't use them, but
I would be very skeptical because you don't know who's
running in. I know my team, I know John's team.

(25:49):
We're all nationally background check. We're not even locally, we're
nationally background checks.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
So somebody on my team committed to criming you know California,
I would know about it because they don't go on
anything until I have that background check. And I carry
that binder of a book bag I take everywhere in
every case we go on. I literally take the binder
out and I go like this, and I say, if
you want to copy, let me know. I'll be happy
to email with her.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah that's good too, That is good as well. I've
never I've been part of a team, but not I
don't know. I've always been a lone wolf because I
would rather network with different teams and then if they
want my help, or I'll bring a case to them
to say, hey, you want to come in and help
me with this case or whatever. I'd rather do that.

(26:34):
There's just too much of like a not say anything
about your team or John's or anybody else's because seem
to work pretty well. But there's so much dynamics and
teams where you know you have a leader and you
know they some of those people power trip because they're
the leader and yeah blah blah blah. And I'm just
like now, I don't want anybody telling me how to
desiat or what to do or you know. Also, it

(26:54):
came out of when I tried to join teams when
I was younger. Well, you don't have any experience. Well
this is before the TV show and sh how hell
am I supposed to have experience? You don't let me
join your team. We're like, you know, apprentice with your team.
So I said, script, I'll make my own team. And
I think a lot of people do that as well.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. Uh, like I said, the only
reason I started my own team was because of COVID
lady shut down. She was in her seventies and she
said I'm done. Yeah, and I said okay, So I
you know, when I told her I wanted to do it,
she said, you know, hey, you were on my team
for six years, and you know I want to pass.
You're a great person to pass the torch along too.
So I still have her number. I call her anytime

(27:34):
I need her. You know, she's helped us on a
case before, the one actually where somebody paid. You know,
she came out and gave a hand just because there
was some weird stuff that I couldn't explain going on.
You know, having her there, I just felt like was
more of like a comfort thing, but also had a
little more experience as well. So it worked that well.
But we just we just took a leady. She emailed us.

(27:55):
I put out like not like really like an ad AD,
but kind of like an AD and just said we're
looking for another member too. Just need you to be
dedicated and willing to learn. And she literally emailed us
and said, I've never been on an investigation. I've always
been intrigued. I liked it, or like, I like some
of the shows I like all that took her to
Gettysburg and she had like this crazy experience and she's like,

(28:17):
all right, when's the next one, but I gave her
the chance. Like you said, some people won't. So would
I rather have somebody that's new as willing to learn,
and somebody who's maybe older has been on team. And then,
like you said, you have that ego power trip where
they're like, well I shut my team down, but I
still want to be your leader. And it's like, that's
not how the dynamics work. And I try to keep

(28:39):
my ego out of it. I try to say, like
I'm the founder, but like I made somebody else, like
the director of the team, like I make him handle
all this stuff, and I like, let him be the
head voice because I don't want the power trip. You know,
I want to make sure we all run smoothly. You know.
I made my member Debbie, I made her the tech manager.
I said like, hey, you know, you handle this like

(29:00):
I try to divvy it up and I want everybody's opinion.
Like we do every couple of months, we do a
meeting and sit down what can we do better? What
can we not? Because I don't think I'm better than anyone.
Plus I don't have all the ideas. It's the paranormal.
I go with the flow, and I try different experiments
just like you have.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, and I think different people's experiences and fortes come
out in different situations as well, in different locations and things,
so like, depending on the history of the place, you
might get better responses from a female because it's a
child spirit and another female, or even like you know,
in the eighteen hundred seventeen eighteen hundreds, you didn't hear
men going into women's bedrooms. You know, the husband wife's

(29:37):
still up in separate bedrooms. Well, if you're a man
going into that woman's bedroom and you're trying to connect
with her, well, why should we talk? Why should she
talk to you? You're not supposed to be she's supposed
have men in her bedroom, you know, and just simple
cultural things like that. So I think it's yeah, it
takes everybody. It takes a little bit everybody, and everybody's
experiences are different and everybody has different ideas that may
work differently in different locations. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I mean, like we have one of my team members, Angel,
Her sister is special needs and she's a school teacher,
so a lot of childlike cases anywhere there's reported child activity.
If we just put her in a room and we
walk out and it's just her. We will come back.
And I'm not even kidding. You have like one hundred
EVPs just because I, like you said, I think they
feel comfortable, like she deals with that on a daily basis,

(30:23):
Like you know, I agree, just like I think you know.
That's why I always rotate my team, like I'll have
two women go in, I'll have two men go in,
and then I'll do a man and a woman, and
I like rotate us in just because I don't know
what the experience will be. Will it work, will it not?
I know when we went to Fort Mifflin, we took
a DJ set and we blasted a re enactment battle

(30:45):
and this was with John's team, and somebody thought they
saw like a shadow run across the fields and we
stopped the thing and we thought we heard like a gunshot,
you know what I mean. Like, we try different things
because we don't know what will work.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Right right, Yeah, And it's hard to recreate any of it,
which makes it ship for scientific study.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Oh it sucks. It's so cool when you see something
and you're like, especially like shadows because you know a
lot of them are on just as fast as you
see it. Yeah, You're like, how can I even recreate
that when I saw it for about a half a second. Yeah,
but we try. I try, you know, I give it,
I give it a shot.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, there's been a lot of that going on at
the Nighthouse lately because it's with us becoming in fresh
and nobody's ever investigated or you know, other than me
and Austin and me and Sin kind of many investigations.
So catch yourself on video and stuff. I'm constantly trying
to bunk and I'm kind of we're seeing stuff in
here and stuff and I'm so half my time on

(31:41):
the weekends is running around the house trying to bunk
things like doors closing on their own and like that.
So that's why I like the videos that I put
out from the Nighthouse. Any of that stuff, I've scrutinized
the Helen back before I'll ever put it out in public.
And there's there's probably another ten videos I haven't put
out because I don't know, you know what I'm saying.

(32:01):
They could go onewhe or the other. But I think
it's better to be overly cautious and overally skeptical than
like we were talking about, putting everything out there yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
I mean the dragoning video was really cool that you
have where it sounds like the chair for dragging. Yeah,
like that one's cool because like I know, nobody's there,
like like I know, nothing there to like mess with it.
So it was just cool to catch it. But you know,
it's rewarding when you catch something like that too, you're like.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yes, yeah, well it also validates and backs up like
not just of the Nighthouse, but you know for y'all investigating,
whenever you see something like a shadow figure that you
don't catch on film, or or you hear a noise
that you don't catch, but then you do catch something
on film that is similar, you know, just validates. Okay,
I'm not crazy. I really did see that or I
really did hear that, because we hear some of the

(32:46):
similar noises like that in the Nighthouse, and I've been
to other locations that investigated that. You know, you'll you
hear a voice when you're like John famously, when he's
peeing for whatever reason, they like to mess with him.
He's not require you know, and but you know when
you're not recording your her voices and things, so it's
just validating when you get those same type of voices

(33:08):
on recordings in same types of noises. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, back to the John thing. I was there on
one of them examples. We were at uh there's a
Samon Miller mansion in Columbia, PA. And I was in
the room with the owner and one of my team members.
John goes to a bathroom and all of a sudden,
he's like, the door is shaking all this. He comes
in a room and he's like ready to smack me.
He's like, why are you messing with me? I'm like,
what are you talking about it? He's like, why'd you

(33:33):
lock the door? I was like, I can't lock the door.
Like the lock is only from the inside and it's
one you have to like click up or down. Yeah,
And he is like like, dude, you messed with me.
I'm like whatever. They goes home and he plays the
audio and you can actually hear like midstream, sorry to
say it, but midstream you can actually hear the lock
actually click and actually click downy And he was like,

(33:55):
you're not gonna believe this. Sent it to me. I
was like, I told you. I was in the other room,
Like I didn't mess with you. I am a prankster.
I will mess around a little bit, but on this instance,
I really didn't.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I was like, you're the only person, the
only best guy. I've ever heard that three or four times.
You have three or four stories about using the bathroom
and things messing with you. I'm like, you just need
to hold your bladder, man, and not, you know not.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I've only had one myself. It was actually in an
apartment building and we were just going to help this
lady and we were just doing a walk through and
I went to use her bathroom and all of a sudden,
I heard a female whisper in my ear. No clue
what she said. All I know is I definitely jumped,
because I mean, come on, it's like a private time,
you know, it's like, why why in this moment? So

(34:40):
that that was the only time I've ever had it happen,
I hope it never happens again.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're not You're in there to
do your business. You're not looking for anything parane.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
What happened. I didn't have Yeah, I didn't have a
recorder running, but I didn't think like she was so
clear like I heard it. I'm like, I know a
recorder would have caught it. But at the same time,
why do you take one with you?

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah? Right right, yeah, yeah. For me, it's when I'm
getting ready to go to bed in a haunt location
that they like to mess with me, or right after
I'm going to sleep. All the time, multiple locations. I've
had stuff happen to me when I've when I've either
been asleep it wakes me up, or like I said,
right before I'm getting ready to go to sleep, and

(35:19):
I'll be like, look, you've had your chance. I just
investigated for eight hours, Like you know, I'm going to
bed and leave me alone. Why do you want to
you know, mess around.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Now, especially when it's a quiet night and then you
lay down and shit happens. You're like why, Like I
just had eight hours of this and you said nothing.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, it's also after you turn off all the recording
equipment too. Oh yeah, you know, because you're written you're
ready go to bed. I'm not one of those people
that's gonna record myself all night on camera, you know, sleeping,
because anybody want to hear me snore for six seven hours?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know, Like that's a good thing about the or
wired DVR doesn't have sound. What you've been running, we
don't have to listen to it. Yeah, but the drop
recorder we do, and that kind of sucks.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Too.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
So yeah, but we just had that happen when we did.
We did two nights in the Bell Mansion and then
we did want to Bill Manor. At the Bell Mansion,
they have like base stations set up in the basement area,
and uh, we're like the mortgage, you like walk through
the basement door and uh, we were all getting ready
to go to bed and there was like two rooms
next to each other. So we're here, We're here, and

(36:27):
then like the basement here and Doug, I know you've
seen him on the podcast a couple of times for
my team. He was going to sleep in the room
and they have all these toe tags hanging up and
every time the air would blow, you would here like
the toe tags hidden. I was like, I can't sleep
in this room. I'm never gonna go to sleep, Like
I got to have a pretty quiet room or else,

(36:48):
Like I'm super distracted, like I'll be up all night.
So Doug's like making his bed and I'm like sitting there.
There's one sink. I'm like brushing my teeth and all
of a sudden, hear, holy shit. And I turn around
and literally the basement door that leaves to the morgue
is literally creeping open. And then I'm like, all right, whatever.
So I was like, Doug, are you good? And he's
like yeah, he turns out the light whatever, and like

(37:10):
I walked literally around the room, and then I had
air mattress. As soon as I laid down the air mattress,
all of a sudden, I hear nope, And all of
a sudden, you see Doug turn the corner he has
and Doug's like six or four, So it's really funny.
He has an air mattress one hand and it's pillowing
the blankets in the other and he's like, do you
guys have room for me in here? And I'm like why,

(37:31):
and he goes the fen door closed and literally we
walked in there. I was like, no way. So I
walked back in there with him and literally the door
shut on its head and he was like, yep, nope, nope.
And of course we didn't have the camera running because
we shut it off. You know, why do we want
to leave it run for forty eight hours?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (37:48):
So yep, So that was one and then bille Manner.
I got a funny story. So it was a guy
that in like music shop. If anybody knows them, know
the history, definitely go check it out. But then it
turned into an orphanage. Well, I'm pretty good about sleeping
in you know, haunted places for the most part. But
this one man was this one was different. It got me,

(38:10):
It got me good. I I lay in the bed
and you know, come to find out, I find out
that it's the lady that like runs the house. It
was one of her room orphanage. Anyway, I'm laying in
the bed and I'm literally just laying there like this,
and I'm tired. It's like four in the morning. This
is after seventy two hours of investigating because we did
Bell Mansion, Bell Mansion and bille Manner all back to

(38:32):
back to back night.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah. Oh it was a lot uh parent hangovers, ya, dude.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
And then I had to drive That was Fremont, Ohio,
which is over by Cleveland, and then I had to
drive all the way to Maryland the next day. Yes,
very much so.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
But I'm laying there and all of a sudden, I
feel three fingers come across my neck down and I'm
in the room by myself, and I like, I literally
first like, yeah, I'm an investigator. Yeah I'm looking for
stuff like that. But after seventy two hours of investigating,
I don't want to touch the paranorm. I just want
to sleep. So all you hear is on the recorder

(39:07):
is f this not tonight. And I roll over, I
throw the blanket over my stead and I just sleep
like that and I wake up the next morning in
the blanket wasn't like on my head. But yeah, I
literally rolled over and I fell asleep just like that.
I was like, no, like, there's no way this happened,
and yeah, it happened. We actually had they have a
kid in the well. I think it's a kid based

(39:28):
off the stories. They call him the Bier to be
all manner, and they had it was they took in
everybody for orphanage, but they had a special need kid
that was documented there and they said he would spend
a lot of time like working on wood shop stuff
because they would teach at this orphanage. They would teach
you like life skills. That way you could go out

(39:49):
and be a carpenter or do something you know, ductor
for society. So that's what he liked to do. And
one of the guys actually left and he had a
huge mark. With our friend from Arizona, we investigate in
he actually had the mark and it looked like somebody
literally bid him wow out there. So yeah, can't prove it,
but it short of looked like a bite mark.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Well, I mean, I also, you know, would that person
bite themselves or have somebody bite them? You go through
that just to I.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Would say that, but you know it's certain people like
you really trust, like you know, for you it's Austin.
Would you say Austin bit himself? You know what type thing? Yeah,
then that's how we are with them. So we were
with them, both knights at Bell Mansion and then we
went there. So if they bit themselves, what it had
to be a week ago. I mean, there's the bite
mark would have been seen and it was like on
their thighs, so like it would have been seen. It

(40:36):
was July and like I told you, it was like
one hundred and ten degrees so hot.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah. Uh, do you have a favorite I know this
is this is always a loaded question, but you have
a favorite location that you like to go back to
over andever?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
So we just did that government case and they asked
us a host some public ghost hunts. So we're in
the works of working that out. Not that again, and
there's much to work out, but trying to work around
all my people's schedule, yeah, or my whole team there.
And then of course they have their events. So basically
it's just a local historical society. They have a couple
of buildings that we investigated, so they're cool because they're

(41:10):
so new, nobody's ever investigated them. One of the houses
actually from seventeen eighty eight. Wow, so that's really cool.
So that one I want to get back into, just
because we caught so much and I just don't understand
what happened. Yeah, because you know, one time in a location,
it's hard to say what exactly is going.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
For instance, I'm sitting at the table at that house,
it's the seventeen eighty eight house, and I'm just sitting
there kitchen table, and I'm hearing kids crying. Now this
is at like three in the morning. Why you know,
like there's there's there is places around there, but not
like where kids would be, Like there's a local bar
across the street. Yeah, and then there's the local high

(41:51):
school behind it, Like, which kid's going to be there
two thirty three am crying? You know what I mean?
Like it's just isn't logical. And then it was cool
because we called on like three different recorders throughout the house,
so it was like one of the cool things. Yeah,
so that's definitely like favorite, just because it's unknown. I'm
trying to think which was there was one that we
used to do. Oh, there's one that I really want

(42:13):
to get back into. It's called elk Landing. It's over
here in Elkton, Maryland. You can look into it. It
was during you'll you'll like it because of the you know,
history buff but elk Landing was actually there part of
the American Revolution and then ended up being part of
the Civil War and so on and so forth, so
the history was there. And that's actually the first time,
minus my grandma, that was the first investigation where I

(42:34):
actually saw like a full blown operation. It was just
a little boy. There was a little boy that like
went running like I don't know, man, probably like three
feet from me, just happy as can be, had a
little ball and just vanished in like three seconds. So
then I told like the leader at the time of
the team. I said, hey, like, you're not going to
believe what I saw, So I like explained it and

(42:55):
she goes, all right, well come here. So we go
inside and they have a book and this was historical
location kind of like the Nighthouse, but it's actually ran
through like it's called Cecil County government actually runs it.
So they checked this out. So they actually pull up
and it was a death certificate of a boy who
was bit by a poisonous stake that died on property.
I had no clue. I never saw the history book.

(43:16):
I never saw because we were hosting public ghost hunts
there and I was the first one. It was my
first time ever there, so nobody wanted to tell me
what they thought before. So they go in and I
see the death record man of it was like a
five year old kid bit by a snake poison wow
on the property. I was like, what are the chances?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I saw this, and to have the record behind it
that is always awesome.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Oh yeah yeah. When you get yeah, the information you
didn't know or or the location didn't know or didn't
tell you, and they know they didn't tell you, would
you rather know the stories in the history before going
in or not.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I think it depends for me personally. Residentials, I try
to like look up more, yeah, because I feel like
on a residential there's more. I don't want to say,
like to lose. But you know, some of these people
you get calls really scared, you know what I mean?
So I want to make sure I try to help
them the best I can with all the ammunition. Now,
like the place like Bell Mansion, we were there for
two nights, so the first night I didn't want to know,

(44:11):
and then the second night the people actually gave us
a tour and told us about the location. Because I
wanted to see if the evidence compared night one to
night two r with me knowing nothing and me knowing it.
Did I catch the same man's voice? Did I catch
the same female? What did I What are the you
know coincides with each other? That's what I wanted to know.
That was a little experiment to myself.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
So I always like to know the history and the people,
not even in my motto has become we don't investigate hauntings,
we investigate stories of haunting. So I always try to
stay unbiased by just by thinking, Okay, well these are.
This is the stories of what happened these people doesn't
necessarily mean what we're going to experience. And I don't

(44:51):
even like going off of their stories to investigate, because
I just want to investigate wide open and see what
we get, you know, But I want to know the
stories to see that. Okay, Well, if I hear this
voice or these footsteps in one certain place, or I
see somebody in one certain place and it correlates to
what already happened to them, then to me, that you know,
adds to the evidence. But yeah, I always like to

(45:13):
I always like to ask people because yeah, some people
like to know the history and the stories and some
people like to go and completely blond every time. And
I can respect. I see either way, and I respect
either way.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Yeah, I have a couple of team members, a couple
of team members that literally don't want to know. Yeah,
And like I said, for me, most of the time,
I want to know. Plus with me being the founder,
I get all the phone calls a lot of times.
I hear a lot of those stories before we even go,
So I don't really like to have a choice. That's
why I like the Bell Mansion was cool because I
had two nights. To the first night I didn't have
to know, and then the second night I could know.

(45:44):
So I got, you know, I got to go both
ways and experience you know, those presides of the perspective,
like you're saying, so I can see why people don't
like it, and I can see why people do.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, I just for me, I guess the way my
add brain works, I can kind of really to plan
better without going in blind, like if I know, you know,
the claims and things, and like I said, not even
to validate those claims, because that's not my you know, objective.
My objective is go and investigates who would catch But

(46:14):
I also like to know names and things so that
if you're not getting anything, like a lot of times
we don't, then I can break out somebody's name and
I start writing off names and see if you get
you know, somebody to respond that way. Yeah, I don't
think either way is right or wrong. I just think
it's everybody's preference of how you want to investigate.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I tell everybody, you know, experiment with both. Go in
one investigation not knowing, go in the next knowing everything,
and see which one you like better, and then just
go from there. Yeah, especially if you're on a team
like you being lone Wolf, it doesn't you know, I
don't want to say it doesn't matter, but it's not
going to affect seven other people like it would, would
you know. Whereas me, I'm got to be a little

(46:53):
more selective because, like I said, some people don't want
to know.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah. Saying that though, one of the funnest investigations I've
done a long time, me and Austin put out a documentary,
little mini doc about at the Commodore Hotel, our first
filming that we did together. And we didn't know any
claims about that place. There's hardly any history you can find,
and nobody really investigated it, and so we kind of
went in blind there, but we caught quite a few

(47:17):
things and it was a fun night that way. So
I can I can see both ways too. So y'all
have anything special plan for spooky season coming up? You know,
we're at the end of August here recording this and
so September October.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
This weekend, the weekend of Labor Day, will be at Penhurst.
So that's a little fun one coming up. We're investigating
with two other teams that are really like minded and
like us then October we're going to It's called Ramblewood
near us. It used to be an old plantation house

(47:54):
and now it's actually Camp Ramblewood. It's actually like a
summer camp for local youth stuff like that at thest event.
But that that house is old, it's really cool. I
actually up on her YouTube, I actually caught a shadow
running across this field and I watched it with my

(48:14):
own eyes. I'm the only one outside and I will
literally watch it boom. And the path it takes actually
runs to the basement because the basement you actually have
to go from outside. There's no way through the house.
And it actually runs to where there's a tunnel. And
the tunnel still there for the underground river. Now they
just filled it in and they just have the cutout
where you can actually like look down where the hole was.

(48:35):
But uh yeah, and the tunnel ran out to the
Susquehannah River. I think it leads out to the Susquehannah River.
So uh that was pretty cool to like physically see
and that doesn't happen often. I know I've told a
couple of stories with shadows, but you know, I've been
over one hundred heading towards two hundred cases. I've only
seen you know, six to seven real like full body

(48:58):
uperage doesn't have It doesn't happen that often. You're talking,
you know, right right, it doesn't happen. So that one's cool.
And then November we're gone back with John's team and
we're doing four minthro Part two. So last year part one,
this year we're doing part two and uh, we're going
to do a couple more experiments kind of like we

(49:19):
did with speakers and see if we can kind of
recreate what we had the first time.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, I wish I could. I wish I could make
it up there for that. I know y'all am boded
me and I appreciate it. But with the Nighthouse, I
just don't think it's going to be the Cords this year.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I know, I think Stevie's coming up. We invited her
and I think she's going to make the trip. I hope.
I mean, I definitely want to investigate with you guys.
I was talking to my team earlier today about coming
to the Nighthouse, but having you actually investigate with us, Yeah,
because I want to investigate and hang out and like
you know, I talked to everybody online, but I actually
want to like investigate. But if we do it, I

(49:54):
told the team too, and they all agreed, we want
to make it like a four or five day trip,
like we want to go check out one or two
other pla too. Yeah, that way, you know, and plus
you know all the places we could always ask you, hey,
what's nearby type thing, Yeah, and just to make a
little trip out of it as like a you know,
team bonding I too.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
So yeah, there's definitely a difference between up north where
you live and down here. I mean, of course, there's
you know, one hundred years more of history in New England,
but there's more y'all have more of the Revolutionary War stuff,
and I know there's some you know, of course with
Antietam and Gettysburg and things. There's some huge Civil War
stuff up there, but a lot of what you ran

(50:32):
into down here, majority of it's going to be Civil
War type stuff, and a lot with the South, it
was a lot more steeped in the you know, the
Confederacy in the Civil War and that that type. Yeah. History,
but there's some amazing places around here. It amazing history,
some amazing places just to go do the historical tours
as well.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, that's awesome. That's why I like from Maryland where
I am. I'm like thirty minutes from the Mason Dixon line,
so like I'm right on the line where there's some
houses here, like I've investigated where uh you know, the
left side of the road is Confederates, right side of
the road is Union, and you know they had people
trying to hunt the people across the way and vice versus. Like, uh,

(51:14):
it's one of them things. It was cool, and I
want to say, well in a bad way, but like
cool because being a mile apart, you would think they
would all be the same way. Really, they weren't the
same way. Some of them improved with slavery and other things.
So and then, like you said, we have the American Revolution,
you know that New England and all that had the
whole witch trials stuff like that. So you kind of

(51:34):
got that kind of bled a little bit down the coast,
not all the way to Maryland, but you know, kind
of still hears about some of that stuff. So we
got a good little mixture of everything.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it's just a different type of in a way,
it's just a different type of history, I guess is
when I'm when I'm getting at and it's but it's
it's still steeped in history just as much as New England. Yeah,
i'd love to have y'all. I'd love to investigate with y'all,
and I could show y'all around all the historic plays
and show you to some of the places that you
definitely need to investigate.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Oh yeah, man, always down to check out new places especially,
that's like something I want to do. You know, you
asked me earlier, residential stuff like that. You know, ever
since I started, I did residentials and like local businesses.
So doing a Penhurst, doing a Fort Miflin, They're like
cool and exciting because it's something different for me, right,
going checking out at different places also, so I'm always
down to suggestion.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yeah, I think. Also it's not having to be as
serious and on point as you have to do. Like
when you're dealing with families and things, you can kind
of let loose, you know, going to Fort Miflin or
coming to a nighthouse or something. You know, it's a
little more of a fun, hangout type of investigation.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yeah, you make a stupid joke. It's not like, oh crap,
I said that, it's more like hah, Eric just laughed
for the last ten minute because I said a stupid joke, right,
you know that's that's kind of nice, like unwind and
not be so serious.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, yeah, and have full of your friends, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Oh absolutely, so.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I know you'll have a website that people can go
check out above and below paranormal dot home. And I'm
sure they signed you on all the social media's.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yeah. Really, Facebook is the only one that I really answer.
We have a TikTok, but I can't even tell you
the last time we posted on it. The TikTok thing
was cool to like research some places and like check
out other teams, but like I can't. I can't get
down with it, Like the investigations are so bad and
sorry to anybody on TikTok. That's like really serious, but

(53:24):
the investigation.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Is and y'all people can go watch some videos on
YouTube as well, right.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah, yeah, we have a few up there, not too many.
I'm really selective about what we post one just because
I'm one of the biggest biggest critics about myself. Yeah,
you know, I can have John, you and six other
people tell me, Hey, that's a really good piece of evidence,
and I'll still be like, are you sure? Yeah, So
it's just it's how I am, you know. I just

(53:49):
don't want to put out anything fake, yeah, or you know,
especially like we talked about earlier, with all the bullshit
going on in the paranormal Like, it's really hard to
like be a little less critical of myself.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah. But also I think after you've been an investigator
for as long as we both have, I see you
don't have anything to prove to anybody anyway, you know,
by putting out evidence. I mean, I just yeah, it's
it's not anything to prove to anybody. I don't care.
I'm not I'm not in some pissing match with another team.
My evidence is better than yours or I don't care, you.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Know, And I don't want to get paid, Like yeah,
a lot of people that piss a lot of the
shit on YouTube is they're looking for money gains.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Like, again, I didn't start the team to make money. Yeah,
but it'd be great. Sure, who wouldn't like to get
paid to investigate? But it's not why I started it,
So to me, it doesn't make a difference.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Well, thanks for coming on Brandon enjoying the conversation.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
All Right, I got a question for you before we go. Yeah,
what is a place you've always wanted to check out?
Anywhere in the world. It doesn't have to be just
the US, Like, what's one place you really like to
check out?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
M that's a lot of places.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
I always get crap from my answer, So that's why
I asked you.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
If I could do if I could go anywhere, I'd
say one of the places will definitely be the White House,
just because of the people that have gone through there
over the years, not just presidents, but you know, dignitaries,
smallow of the world, famous people and everything else. Yeah,
and the you know, being burned down during the Civil
War and rebuilt and all these different things in the

(55:22):
history of the place is just it's one of those
buildings that it would be hard to compare any other
building in the world. There's not many other buildings in
the world that compare to the history that the White
House has, with the type of people and the historical
figures that have been through there. So I think it
would be amazing to spend a weekend in there and
spend the night and investigate. I think it would be.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
I take one night. I don't even need a whole weekend. Yeah,
just have the pleasure of saying, hey, you're the first
team in or the first people like, it'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, that would be the one for sure. Now you've
gotta be curious what yours is a lot?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, Well it's just because people are like, you're insensitive,
and I actually think it's the opposite, because I don't
think it's insensitive. I think not exploring this place is
kind of like, you know, a disservice to these people,
and it's like all Schwitz or like a concentration camp. Yeah,
because what was done was so wrong and just the

(56:17):
genocide on that level. I just feel like if somebody
really had a message that they really wanted to give
to a loved one, yeah, that would be the place.
And you know, and just going over and you know,
like America was involved in, you know, freeing a lot
of people and all that. Being an American, what if
I came over and like that was a relief to them,
you know, right, and not even just American, but just

(56:38):
take different ethnicities and take each one and just put
them in there as like a social experiment and have
everybody as a paranormal investigator and you know, maybe from
somebody from Japan, somebody from Germany and put us all
there just see the different types of activity you get
with people in the different areas. I think would be
really cool just to like see what happens.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah, and try to help them move on so hopefully
they're not stuck or sticking around.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Yeah, you know, and like I said, it's not insensitive
to me. I just it's a person that really likes history.
I think it's a way to really get the history told.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah. Yeah, well those are the same people that are
exploiting Lizzie Borden and the Liska Aximter house where the
whole family was killed, you know, in places like that,
so you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
You know, everybody's sensitive about something, so I gotta be careful.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Especially now that is ridiculous. Yeah all right, Brenny, Well
thanks for coming on and we'll definitely chat soon and
hopefully I have you and your team at the nighthouse.
That'll be awesome.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, man, absolutely, we'll work it out.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
All right. Everybody, y'all stay safe out there. We'll see
you next time. Have a good day.

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