Gone: Mysterious Disappearances with Gemma Jade

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Episode Transcript

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Join us as we dive into thehistory, hauntings, and high strangers of
the world to try to better understandthe paranormal. I will be your guide.
I am paranormal researcher and investigator EricFreeman Simms. Welcome to the Unseen
Paranormal Podcast. Hey everybody, welcomeback to the show. Thank you for

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joining us today, and thank youfor all the longtime listeners for continuing to
support the show. And we havequite a few new listeners here lately who
are following the Facebook page and joiningthe Facebook group. So thank y'all for
tuning in. Hopefully I'll go backand listen to the older episodes and enjoy
the enjoy the show, and y'allseem to like to throwback Thursday episode I

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did last week with the very firstepisode of the show, So next week
we'll be doing episode two. Isnot available online anymore. We'll put it
back out there and y'all can listento it. A lot of y'all reached
out and wanted to know the originsof the show because you kind of jumped
in, you know, maybe alittle later where the shows aren't available anymore.
So you gonna start putting those outa couple times a month as they
drop off and people can get caughtup with the early shows that I'm so

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glad I've grown as an interviewer andas a podcaster. But thank y'all for
allowing me to do this. Thankyou for tuning in today. We have
a great guest. Before you getto that, I'm not going to do
a big, long rant today aboutmental health, but I just want to
tell you, you know, whenyou feel like you're alone in the world,
you're really not. There are lotsof us out here who do care
about you, that do understand you. And sometimes you can kind of get

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in your own head and get thatstupid self pity bullshit ped party of one
bullshit that you know you feel soalone, but I guarantee you're not.
And please, if you need help, reach out to somebody, and you
know we are always there are alwayspeople out here for you that we'll just
talk to you or just listen andjust know that you're not alone and that

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you're worth it, and then it'sworth you getting up every day and there
are people out in this world thatlove you. And just have a good
day today and take that attitude thattoday is going to be my day and
it's going to be good. Andso anyway, let's get to missus Jimmy
Jade of course returning guests for allof y'all who's listening to show a long
time. If not, go backand listen to the other episodes. We

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all usually talk to her about missingperson stuff. But she has a new
book series out called Gone the SeriousDisappearances of Volume one and two are out
now. She's going to bring outvolume three here very soon, and some
really crazy stories about how people justup and vanish and how the paranormal may
play into some of those. So, without further ado, y'all sit,

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I relaxed and enjoy this episode withJimmy Jade. We'll see you next time.
Have a good day, stay safeout there. Hey Jimmy, welcome
back to the show. Thanks forjoining us today. Thank you so much
for having me. I'm super excitedto be here. It's always a pleasure
to have you on. I loveour conversations and your books. You have
a new series of books out calledGone the Serious Disappearances, and you have

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volume one and two out now,and you were telling me that you're working
on volume three. Yeah, Iwanted to kind of change it up a
little bit from well, I guessit's not really changing it up from the
Power Normal, even though it kindof is. I mean, these are
real life cases. I had tobe a lot more careful with making sure
I got the facts, because whenyou're dealing with stuff like the Black Eyed

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Kids or shadow entities, it's allabout perception, you know, my experiences,
what I perceive, what others haveperceived that they've told me. And
with this new series, it's factualcases of actual human beings who have gone
missing and their families have endured tragedies, and I wanted to make sure I

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I acknowledge that before getting into whatI think is happening and going on in
these cases, because nobody else seemsto want to talk about the power normal
or supernatural otherworldly angle to these casesfor fear of I guess offending, and
I certainly don't want to offend anyoneeither, But I do feel like it's

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it's time that we start looking ina different direction to bring some closure to
these families, or just to maybeunderstand a little better for ourselves what's going
on out there. Yeah, Ithink with some of these cases especially the
ones that are older. I thinkif I was a family member, this
is just my opinion. In myview, I would want somebody coming with

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a different view and a different wayof looking at it that can maybe generate,
you know, new leads or becausesometimes I think a fresh out of
eyes. That's why a lot oftimes, like cold cases are solved when
a cold case, you know,unit comes in who think outside the box
and do different things. And soI think looking at it from through a
paranormal lens, that some of thesecases that are just so weird that it's

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it seems like it's something supernatural,paranormal that's going on, because these people
just disappear off the face of theplanet with no you know, no explanation,
no reason, no rhyme to it, and and the evidence that stacks
up doesn't make any sense. Andso looking at it through the paranormal lens,
maybe even if there is a realworld explanation, maybe just you know

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what I'm saying, looking at itoutside of the box through a different lens
may be held to solve some ofthese as well. Right, It could
bring to light a different clue ora different way of thinking. And that's
all I wanted to do to bringa different lens to a lot of these
cases. I mean, some ofthem are so fantastical that I had to
actually check and be like, Okay, so this did actually happen, right,

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This isn't you know, this isn'ta made up story that someone told
at some point about a missing person, because they're just I don't know.
I don't know how else to explainit except to say that, you know,
most of the ones that I covered, if not all of them,
are just so out there as faras like what the evidence is and what
it isn't and what has probably happenedto these people? Children, elderly,

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you know, middle aged, alllike that. I just thought it was
time. I get very frustrated.And here's how this series came about.
I get frustrated when I read otherpeople who've compiled lists of mysterious disappearances and
they stop short of telling you whattheir ideas are. They just present the

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facts and the information. And youknow, that's okay because they're presenting the
facts. But at the end ofthe day, I would get to the
end of these books and be like, Okay, but what do you think
happens? Like what does this personwhat does this author think happened? And
there would be no answer because youknow, again, nine and a half
times out of ten, the personis afraid of offending the families. And

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I did struggle with that too,But I thought it was more important to
shed a light on these cases thanit was to tiptoe around the facts.
Well, I think I reading thebooks, I think a lot of the
cases the people were either into thesupernatural paranormal in some way, shape or
form that they found evidence of ina lot of these cases that you wrote

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about, So that I think thatthat's already in there with a lot of
these anyway, and a lot ofweird things that were surrounding their lives before
they went missing, and even someof them that were found, even the
way they were found is very mysteriousin supernatural otherworldly. So I think the
cases that you picked it kind ofa lot of them lend themselves to that
anyway, and your mind goes thereno matter if you're into the paranormal or

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not. And so so I don'tthink you kind of went out on a
limb and trying to make connections,you know what I'm saying, Where there's
not any with the paranormal. Youknow, a lot of them make a
lot of sense. I appreciate thatbecause I definitely tried not to. I
tried to just I tried to justpresent the facts as well, just as
they were. But there's a paragraphafter every case that I just talk about,

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you know, well, what ifthis happened, or what if this
happen? And sometimes I have severalideas because I'm not coming into this claiming
to know what happened. I justreally think it's important that we look at
what's other in the cases that,you know, very recent ones, but
mainly I think I've covered a lotof older ones where the possibility wasn't even

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there, you know, it wouldhave been taboo for someone to say,
you know, was it extraterrestrials orAnd then I do try to go into
why I believe, you know,it could be X, Y or Z
as well, so as not toleave anyone hanging on a thread at the
end of the book. But eachcase is different, you know. I
really carefully chose these cases for specificreasons, and I just hope that it

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it opens up the people who arereading the book's minds to the fact that
there is a whole other world,many worlds surrounding the one that we live
in. We are not all thereis. And I think one people come
to that realization and come to acceptanceof that, the easier it'll be to
solve some of these cases and tobe able to point out, you know,

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without being ridiculed or without having tobe fearful of saying it that sometimes
it is extraterrestrials, and sometimes itis cryptozoological, and sometimes you know,
it is I don't even know,other worldly beings, interdimensionals. Yeah,
and even I mean, we evenhear stories of, you know, people
who have gone into time slips andwe're fortunately able to get out of them.

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But these people, you know,there's still a lot of stories out
there like that. And maybe someof these people went into a time slom
and could get out, like youknow, but you have people that have
come back from things like that.And then of course we have all the
stories of people having encounters with UFOsand other worldly beings, maybe interdimensional beings
or even cryptids. Like you're saying, so, why I'm with you,
why couldn't some of these explanations bewhy some of these people are missing?

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Yeah? I think I Actually I'mnot sure, because I cover a lot
of key, but I think I'veactually covered not many, but maybe a
handful or a little less of peoplewho have come back and who have had,
you know, some stories to tellabout what they saw, or they
have like fuzzy memories, which isreminiscent to me of people who have been

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abducted and their memories were screened orblocked. So I think I think the
people reading these new books are goingto be able to understand where I was
coming from, not only from theparanormal community, but I think the people
from the paranormal community are going tounderstand what I was trying to do here,
because I do include some cases wherepeople, you know, one guy

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put his foot through this fuzzy lookingthere was just a fuzzy looking something in
the atmosphere, and he went andstuck his foot and his foot disappeared,
and he took his foot back outand turned and went running the other way,
because he was like, heck,no, so what if someone wasn't
paying attention, it was looking fora deer or something and walked through that,
well, their whole body would appear, right, So why is that

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not happening. It could be andyou hit it right on the head exactly.
Well. I've even been to acouple of panormal locations to investigate that
I've been. We've been told ifyou see, if you're out on the
grounds, like on the property investigatingat night, you see like shimmering looking
air, like, steer clear ofit. Like we don't know exactly what
it is with people have seen itand they don't want you to like disappear

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somewhere or something, you know,things like that. So I've even been
warned that by serious investigators who runthese places, you know, that something
could happen. So it's out thereand it sounds far fetched, but it's
really not. Yeah, it soundsfar fetched until it's you that it's happening
to. And a part of megets a little bit of joy when a

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person comes back from it and theywere a complete and total non believer and
they ended up running into something likeyou know, a fake creature or or
a glimmer man or the portals.You know, portals come in all shape
sizes and they all look different,but a lot of the time they are
shimmering air. As you put it, that's actually a great way to put

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it. That's what they look like. So if you see something like that,
guys, whoever's listening in the woodsand you don't want to be disappeared,
to stay far away from it,because it really is it really is
true. And I wouldn't even suggestlike putting your legger arm through it,
because there are other beings on theother side of those portals, whether again

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you believe that or not. Youknow, just because I don't believe it's
gonna rain tomorrow doesn't mean that raindoesn't exist and that it's not going to
happen, you understand. So Ijust caution people to, you know,
especially as a medium, seeing thethings that I've seen my whole life,
I just caution people to be moreaware and to try their very best,

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especially when out in you know,the woods are out in, cause then
they normally would be you know,don't go drunk and don't don't act a
fool, I guess when you're dealingwith things like this, because you will
pay for it one way or theother. Yeah, yeah, And I
can hear the audience saying, justget into the stories already, So yeah,

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let's dive into some of the storiesbecause they're, like you said,
there's plenty of them with you workingon volume three now. One of the
ones that caught my attention in volumetwo. And we're just going to kind
of jump around because we want peopleto go read the books, so we'll
just jump around here to some ofthese stories. Jerry Irwin is a very
interesting story with this guy was inthe military and this story is one of

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the longer ones because all the stuffhappened to this guy that was just insane
that points toward definitely the paranormal,especially something to do with like aliens and
things like that. He was aprivate in the military. Yeah, so
Private first class Jerry Irwin, andhe worked as a Nike missile technician in

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Fort Bliss, Texas. On thenight of February twenty eighth, nineteen fifty
nine, is when all of thiskind of started happening and coming together for
him. He had just had aone month leave that he spent in Nampa,
Ohio. So he's just driving backto base to report and check in,
making sure he gets there on time. And he I'm just going to

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maybe read a paragraph because I thinkthat'd be even me trying to explain it.
As he drove, he came toa section of southern Utah near a
town called Cedar City. Suddenly therewas a bright flash above him in the
sky. It was almost blinding,and as he looked up, he saw
a brilliant white light traveling across thesky directly in front of him where the
flash had just been. So brightand dazzling was this light that it completely

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illuminated the dark, barren, anddesolate landscape that surrounded him, Jerry decided
he had to travest was headed andpulled over to the side of the road
until it eventually seemed to disappear behinda ridge somewhere beyond the horizon. The
light was very low to the ground, alarmingly so, especially considering Jerry thought
that it was because, you know, his rational brain, he thought that

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it was a low flying plane orsome other air crash, and when he
watched it full even lower beyond theridge, he worried he had possibly just
witnessed a plane crash. So Jerrydecided to leave behind his car after getting
back into it in order to scribbleout a quick note. The one who
parked there and came to investigate.The note read, I have gone to
investigate a possible plane crash. Pleasecall law enforcement officers. He left the

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note in full view of his steeringwheel, and then took some black shoe
polish he had handy in his carand wrote in large letters with it along
the sides of the vehicles. Stop. He then ventured out over and across
the aforementioned dark and desolate landscape thatsurrounded him, and walked straight into the
unknown, speaking of what was whathas become known as not only the earliest

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report of alien abduction, but alsoone of the strangest in history. Because
that's not it, right, andI'm not reading anymore, but that's not
it. He definitely this was justthe beginning of a long journey into the
extraterrestrial world for him. So,you know, to sum it up,
someone did find the car. Theydid call the Cedar City Sheriff's Sheriff's office.

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They responded very quickly. At firstthey couldn't find him, but then
they found him. They found noevidence of any plane crash, and they
rushed him. They found him nearsome you know, in the middle of
the desert, kind of where hehad parked his car. They rushed into
the hospital, but he was unresponsiveto any and all efforts. It was

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like something had knocked him out whereeven like their usual methods, smelling salts,
whatever they would use, would notwake him up. They just had
to leave him and wait for himto wake up on his own. So
that to me is like the firstreally strange thing about his condition, right,
because he could not be brought outof whatever this was. The nurses

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were actually joking while he was theresleeping because he was talking in his sleep
and seeing things like jacket on bush, like very strange but very specific things
that didn't make sense to them,but that would kind of make sense later
on through the story. And whenhe did wake up the following morning he
finally did, he was panicked,still thinking that he was looking for a

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plane crash, so there was nomemory of, you know, whatever it
was that had happened to Jerry.This is a really long story. Basically
in summation, you know, hewas released from the hospital. He was
assured he would be fine. Theyfound nothing physically mentally wrong with him at

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all, but he kept having thesepaintings else immediately after that he had never
had before, So this came onas a result of whatever it was.
That happened to him in the desert. It happened for like the third time.
He was walking down a street inal Paso. He was off duty.

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But again when he when someone foundhim and he was brought to the
hospital, he was in a deepsleep that he could not be revived.
He tried every could call him outit. He woke up in a panic
and wondering if there were any survivorsof lane crash. So he not only
lost like the original amount of timethat he was out there that night,

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but he lost what had happened tohim since the last time. He had
woken up in the hospital as well, and he had just gone back to
duty and was doing his regular thing. He thought the date was still February
twenty eighth, and had no recollectionof the medical staff whom he had just
spent like a week with a coupleof weeks earlier, didn't know who they

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were. But eventually, after anotherweek or two, he was released with
a clean bill of health from thedoctors in medical staff at that hospital,
and everything on the outside seemed tobe, you know, business as usual,
back to normal with Jerry Irwin,but his mind was kind of messed

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up. Now, he kept feelingcompelled to return to the spot where he
had originally passed out the first time, meaning in the desert when he was
looking for the plane crash on thefirst night. Yeah, okay, and
that's he had no reason to wantto go there. One day, the
urgent need to return was so overwhelmingthat he left his post on base while

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there, like he went a walland started wandering around the area where this
bizarre odyssey seemingly started in the firstplace. He was just kept being drawn
back there. Now, how anyonewho's listening to this or who read this
story at this point, isn't thethe extra Treshill is beyond me. I

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forget. There are people who don'tbelieve in that sort of thing, and
I guess I understand that, butyou know, I can't imagine what else
could be going on here. Sohe was just kind of wandering around.
At that point, he did actuallyfind his jacket that he had been missing.

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If you remember, he woke upsaying jacket on bush and like muttering
all these things while actually while sleeping, and he found his jacket. It
was on top of a bush,which is why he was probably saying jacket
on bush in his sleep, andthere was a pencil with a note.
And this is the most frustrating forme. There was a pencil with a
note attached to it, jammed intoone of the buttonholes of the jacket.

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But Jerry was overwhelmed by an urgeto burn the note instead of reading it,
and he did burn it. Hedidn't even glance at what was written
on it. So to me,I'm like, man, I wish he
would have just read what was writtenon that note, and it probably would
maybe it wouldn't, but I thinkthat it might explain like a little bit
of what all this was. Butyeah, I feel like he was definitely

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my controlled to burn that. Yeah, the fact that he kept having those
episodes where you just pass out andthey couldn't explain it at all, and
eventually he just disappeared. Yeah,there's a lot more to the story.
I wasn't sure like where to end, but I know we have a lot
to cover. But yes, hedid eventually disappear. There's a researcher that

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wrote a book and I give thename of the book in my book,
where he claims to have found JerryIrwin and that he's alive and well and
or that at least he was atthe time this book was written. I
don't believe that for one minute.He showed no proof that Irwin was alive.
And you know, there's no evidenceto suggest that Jerry Irwin is on

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this Earth right now. And Ido believe he was aally abducted, and
I believe that he was taken toanother planet or another dimension because extra trestials
sometimes I refer to them as wellas interdimensionals because they're kind of one and
the same. Sometimes he was takensomewhere other and he's probably you know,

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even though he was what in histhirties and forties in nineteen fifty nine,
I do believe he could still bealive out there in another galaxy somewhere,
or in another dimension somewhere. Andhe was picked for whatever reason, either
because he was the one that sawthe light that night, which I don't
really believe. I believe there wassomething special about him that these EPs saw,

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just like with all the other victimsin all the other cases, there's
something in them, either DNA wiseor just with their personality, with their
aura, whatever it is. Thesepeople are being chosen for a reason.
Yeah, and so many different andthese The crazy thing about these cases that
they're so many different environments. Solike you know, we've talked about I've

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talked about with you and with Steve'stalkton you know about the missing persons in
parks and things, and those area lot of the same criteria, you
know, like David Pilotti stuff andin the same criteria. But all of
these stories, a lot of themare just different, different environments and different
circumstances and things like that that don'treally match up with some of those same

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criteria. One of the ones that'salways caught my attention was this one actually
is a national park that I've justfound this weird. Is Karen Sykes.
She was an experienced hiker and allthat, and her and her boyfriend were
hiking and she kind of went arounda corner and just disappeared into thin air.
YEP. I purposely did that asfar as them. I didn't want

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to just cover the missing in thewoods. I have a series of books,
well there's two right now called CampfireStories, which are my reader and
subscribers. They sent in their ownencounters with things in the woods, you
know, whatever those things might havebeen. But the I wanted to show
people that this I think the missingin the Woods thing has become very well

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known even to people outside of thecommunity, and I wanted people to understand
that this is not just happening inthe woods to you know, German athletes.
This is happening all over the place. It's happening on city blocks.
It's happening. It didn't matter.And I'll get more into that in volume
three when that comes out. I'mgonna be covering, you know, some

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of them that happened more in thecity. But Karen Sykes was one I
just kind of stumbled across while researchingfor this book. And she is not
the only person who has, youknow, turned a corner and disappeared into
the clear blue sky, despite youknow she was, wasn't she I'm just

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trying to go by memory now,but wasn't she kind of like, Oh,
she was an expert hiking and yeah, climber, and she knew the
trail specifically where she was with herpartner or her friend in Mount Rainier specifically,
so she was in an area thatshe had been on or in so

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many other times, hiking trails thatshe had had hundreds of other times and
this happened in twenty eighteen, sothis is not an older case. This
is something new. And I didthose cases to show people like, this
has been happening since the dawn oftime basically, and it's happening right up
to this very day. Yeah,yeah, yeah. And they did finally
find her body, but it wasway far away from where she disappeared.

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And you know, the person thatshe was with never heard anything, never,
no screams, no nothing, andshe was, you know, especially
just go around the corner and comeright back, because she was just scouting
up the trail and she was gonnabe writing an article and this was a
well worn trail that lots of peoplehike on. It's not like they were
off the beaten path. But yeah, they found her days later, and

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she's up some rugged terrain, wayfar off the trail, and they found
no injuries on her, and theyjust concludely died from you know, a
heart condition of hypothermia kind of justyou know, exposure, I guess.
But that case is always I alwaysfound interesting because it is one of those
where she just walked around the cornerand poof, she's gone, and then

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why do they find her? Up. Yeah, I mean five thousand feet
up a mountain, you know,is insane, especially when the search started
almost right away, like the personshe was with looked for her or called
for her, but not for longbefore calling the authorities. In what happened,

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she made it all the way upthis very treacherous, very steep ridge,
very far up just to what youknow, just to die mysterious.
And this is one I think.This is the case where I start talking
about something that I've discuss with myspirit guides and my team, about this

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new Earth that is being developed ina dimension that's similar to ours. And
if you guys want to hear moreabout that, you have to get the
book. But I do think they'rerunning experiments on certain types of human beings,
and I think they're running experiments onhuman beings who happen to be in
the wrong place at the wrong timetoo. There is no one thing,

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and that's why these cases are.They're happening everywhere all over the place.
Because I didn't want to stick tojust one place. I wanted the wider
community and even the people outside ofit to understand that this can literally happen
when you walk out your front doorin the suburbs doesn't matter. And it's
not only happening at night or atdawn. It's happening all hours of the

(27:48):
day and night. Sometimes people arecoming back, sometimes they're not. But
when they come back, they eitherhave nothing to say because they can't remember,
or they have a lot of strangethings to say. We're people are
like, Oh, they're just exhausted. They can't think straight right now.
I want to hear what they haveto say. I don't want to hear
they're exhausted. I want to hearall about it because I believe them.
Yeah, yeah, What are someof the cases? I mean, that's

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a few that stuck out in mymind that I found fascinating. What are
some of the cases that stick outfor you? So the very first story
in the very first book that Italked about was one that has kind of
haunted me ever since I came acrossthis story years ago. But there wasn't

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enough information for me to do awhole video about it on my channel because
my videos ranged from thirty to fortyminutes, and it's pretty straightened to the
point. It's Eric Lewis. Ithappened in twenty ten. He was mountain
climbing at Mount Rainier, which isin Washington State, the same place where
Terry Sykes are What was it KathySykes had gone missing. He was with

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two men, his climbing companions,a guy named Don and a guy named
Trevor. So Don was the leader. They were climbing the side of the
mountain. The leader was Don,so he was up front, then Trevor.
Then Eric was at the bottom ofthe rope. They looked back to

(29:18):
check on him. They were atabout thirteen nine hundred feet up the side
of the mountain. They were experiencedclimbers. This wasn't like a one off
for them. They knew what theywere doing. They were well prepared.
Don and Trevor had looked down,they saw Eric. Eric gave them the
thumbs up, and about two secondslater they decided to kind of swing into
a little cubby hole on the sideof the mountain because the wind was getting

(29:40):
a lot and they wanted to regroup. There was snow on the ground.
But when they looked down to makesure that was good with Eric, and
this was literally two seconds after theyhad just looked down and he had given
them the thumbs up, Eric wasgone. He was not there. Now
they are hanging thirteen nine hundred feetup the side of a mountain, so
you'd think, okay, he fell, right, Maybe something happened where he

(30:04):
fell. They never found his body. They never found any footprints. Now,
they did find his backpack at Ibelieve it was. It was a
few hundred feet lower than where theywere, Like he maybe had swung into
a little cubby because something had happenedwith him. But they didn't find any
of his footprints there, and theywould have because there was fresh snow.

(30:26):
They found his backpack and his climbinggear. They never found his body,
either right below where they were oranywhere else, and he kind of just
disappeared literally into thin air. Yeah. Eric's backpack, climbing harness, and
a snowshovel were found in a snowcave at an altitude of thirteen thousand and
six hundred feet, But there werenever any more clues as to what happened

(30:48):
to him, what became of him, and there are no leads in this
case at all to this day.He's still missing. I mentioned him in
my first book, Missing the FaithTheory because I believe that it's possible that
some pixie fairies or some similar typeof flying small fairy were messing with him

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to the point where they kind ofunclipped him and took him with Here's the
thing, there was no tug onthe rope. Yeah, so the other
two guys, Eric and Trevor didn'tfeel him cut himself free. They didn't
even feel that there there was youknow, however much he weighed less weight
on the rope, They didn't feela tug, they didn't feel a swing,

(31:32):
they felt nothing abnormal, out ofthe ordinary. So something had to
have happened to take that feeling awayfrom them. You're gonna notice when I
don't know, maybe two hundred,two hundred and fifty pounds solid guy falls
from the bottom of your rope,there's going to be a difference there.
But there just wasn't. So Ido feel something supernatural happened here which stopped

(31:56):
them from realizing that he was gone. And that one really, yeah,
that one really has always gotten mebecause I just can't imagine what could have
happened to this guy. Well,even on like Mount Everest, which is,
you know, way bigger than MountRainier and way more treacherous conditions,
they know where all the bodies are, you know, of the people who

(32:20):
have died of there, even ifthey've gone missing. When there's a thaw
that happens, they you know,other climbers find the bodies and they actually
use them. And as morbid asit say is, they don't bring them
downrom the mountain because it's more dangerousto bring the bodies down, But a
lot of the climbers now use themas markers to see how far they've gotten,
you know, up the mounta whenthey're climbing. And so you know,
there's hundreds of bodies on Everest andthey've identified, i think all of

(32:43):
them. They knew who they allare. So it's interesting that Mount Rainier,
which is not as dangerous, notas tall. I'm not saying it's
not dangerous a mountain climb, butyou know, this guy just disappears in
the thin air. You think thatwould happen somewhere like Mount Everest where you
have the bigs and things that openup, you know, and Mount rain
Neier you got a lot more peopleclimbing it because it's a lot easier,

(33:07):
easier in air quotes to climb thatmountain than Mount Everest, And so you
figure they would least find something elseother than you know, his backpack and
stuff. And also, you know, if he would have fallen into like
a a crevis or something, whydid they find his backpack in his ice
cave? You know? And hisstuff? That stuff what it went with
him? That made it even strangerfor me. It was like wherever he

(33:30):
was going, they were like,no, you got to leave your stuff
here, do you know what I'msaying? Or this stuff was put there.
One other one that I was hopingto talk about is Matthew Pendergrass.
Matthew Pendergrass was a gold mine ofinformation from my paranormal author's perspective. It
was the year two thousand. Theworld, or at least America, had

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gone a little crazy with the Ytwo K stuff for the most part.
But this this guy was about tograduate from Rhodes College in Memphis, and
he was like two weeks away fromgraduation. His family was well off financially.
His dad was a surgeon. Hisdad made a ton of money.
So according to everyone who knew him, he was well adjusted. He was
heavy, go lucky. He wasn'tinto drinking or drugging or anything like that.

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He was really school oriented, familyfocused. But on December first,
in the year two thousand, heleft his house where he shared with summ
roommates, to go to Spanish classat the college. I mean, it
was something he had done every daythat he had Spanish class. He'd never
had. It was a very ordinaryact. He was last seen leaving his

(34:35):
house at seven thirty that morning.He had a navy colored Toyota four erunner
and he was heading towards campus andhe only lived four blocks away from campus.
He never made it and he wasnever seen or heard from again.
What he didn't show up Later on, his friends that he lived with started
to call him, started to callfamily members. All of the calls went
on answered to Matthew. He hadspoken with a friend from Atlanta, Georgia,

(34:58):
where his family lived. He lived, I guess in Memphis because he
was going to college there, butnobody had heard from him, and the
friend who said she spoke to himthat morning said that he was perfectly fine.
He was just talking to her abouthow he was going to the Spanish
class. But it was out ofcharacter for him. So he was reported
as missing and the vehicle was foundthough, which I was like, oh,

(35:20):
okay, cool, but no,not cool because it was found in
Lenoke County, Arkansas, Okay,all the way in another state where he
had no business being. He hadno known association to Arkansas. The Internet
in two thousand isn't what it istoday, so it would be very rare
unlikely that he had, you know, formed this secret relationship with someone and

(35:40):
like snuck off to leanok Arkansas,in the middle of the woods by the
way swampland to meet him. Butto make a long story short, because
this was another very long one,they found, you know, a bunch
of what they described as weird poetryand quote, a rambling stream of consciousness
thoughts under the nature of life anddeath. That's what they were saying the

(36:01):
authorities what they found. But theyfound everything was laid out in the open,
so his clothes were neatly folded nextto where the vehicle was. And
this was the middle again of theswamp in the woods in Arkansas. Some
hunters randomly came across the car andeverything they found in the trunk was like
plain as day, except in ahaydden compartment. In his trunk they found

(36:24):
a journal and in the journal hetalked about the silver elves. So the
silver elves to me are moon elves, and moon elves are traveling fay creatures
who will sometimes recruit human beings totravel with them. But they're kind of
no nonsense. They're very very neat, orderly, tidy. They stay in

(36:47):
one place. I'm wondering if somehowthis college student, that Matthew Pendergrast,
connected with the moon alps in someway some point and decided to go and
follow them. Now, his mothersaid, there's no way that he left
his clothes there because he was very, very messy and didn't even know how

(37:07):
to fold his own clothes. Butthe moon elves would have known how to
fold the clothes, because they're againa very neat species. They're known to
be very neat, tidy, orderly, they're no nonsense, but they are
known to have human beings traveling withthem in their packs. And I put
a lot more information about the silveror moon elves in the book in this

(37:30):
story, But to me, it'spretty cut and dry that he decided to
go with them and maybe learn fromthem, and he might still appear one
day with all of this knowledge.That's just my take on it. Yeah,
yeah, it's just weird that hewent out in the swamp and got
naked, like you know, yeah, and they never found him. I

(37:51):
mean, they dredged the swamp.They looked. They were like, did
he accidentally maybe get shot? Yeah, but why didn't someone hide the car,
like yeah, you know, ifyou're going to come forward? And
he found his car. They lookedinto the two hunters that stumbled across it.
Nobody, there were no laites.Why was this journal so hidden?
Yeah? Right, because there wereother rovers that were talking about like whatever

(38:13):
the cops said it was like Macob'sstuff or whatever, and this rambling stream
of consciousness. So I wonder washe messing around with like some some drug
or something that might have opened hismind a little bit to allow these elves
to penetrate. I don't know,Yeah, and it was. It took
them a couple of searches of thecar before they ever found this really well
hidden journal as well. It waswell hitting. Yes, yeah, yeah,

(38:35):
that that story is really weird andinteresting, especially since he was writing
about those and what compelled him thatday, you know, instead of another
day to just go off to Arkansas, you know, when he was like
for all intense purposes completely normal thatday from people talking to him, He's
going to finish class and wasn't oneto like miss class or anything. And

(38:59):
yeah, on case, it's likethey turned his brain on or something.
I have a feeling that perhaps hehad, because the way the moonelves come
to a lot is if you're experimentingwith LSD. I'm not saying Matthew was.
I'm just speculating here that maybe theyhad encountered him at another time and

(39:19):
it was time that random day inDecember two thousand for him to be able
to go with them. So peoplewere like, did he pick up a
hitchhiker? Was he carjacked? Okay? Even if he was, what was
he doing in Lenou County, Arkansas? So there was a psychic who worked
for I guess the Lanou County Sheriffs. The only thing I could find was

(39:43):
that she worked for Lenox County,So I'm assuming that means the law enforcement,
because some law enforcement does work closelywith the psychics. Her name's Carol
Pete, and she said that shebelieved that Matthew wanted and was attempting to
quote be reborn as a silver endquote and some kind of strange and misguided,
like fantasy. Right. She alsosaid something that was so profound to

(40:07):
me. She said, quote,I believe that he felt that he was
in a battle for his soul,that he was battling demons and he lost
end quote. But he never mentionedany of this to anyone, so he
knows if she's correct or not right. Psychic not a medium, so I
know that works a little bit differently. Yeah, Yeah, that case is
very fascinating and there's a lot moredetail, Like you said, in the

(40:29):
book, people can read the story. Another one that really caught my attention
that I just think is interesting andit is a completely different environment than what
we've been talking about. But BrianSchaefer, Oh my gosh, I know
that came in the back of myhand. Yeah, there's video of him
going into this bar but never comingout, and he just disappeared. Yes,
he went into the lazy Tuna salunaor the ugly Tuna saluna. Sorry,

(40:53):
And that was in April of twothousand and six. He was a
second year medical student at Ohio StateUniversity of Medicine. He enjoyed everything about
college life. I mean, hewas just a really popular, well like,
well spoken well bred young man.He was about to propose to his
longtime girlfriend Alexis. Everyone like hewas just doing so well. The only

(41:17):
thing in his life that, youknow, he was struggling with was he
had recently lost his mom, whowas very very close with a self proclaimed
mom's boy, to a form ofcancer, some sort of cancer earlier I
guess in March or February of thatsame year. But people said he was
pulling through. He wasn't like completelydepressed. He would just get upset about
his mom sometimes. So on Marchthirty first, two thousand and six,

(41:40):
it was the height of spring breakand it was Friday night, so he
decided to go out to dinner withhis dad because he was very you know,
family oriented, very you know,he's just a good kid, right.
He was going out with his friendWilliam. After having the dinner with
his dad, they met up atthe Ugly Tuna Saluna. The main thing
I want everyone to take from thisbecause this is one that I did have

(42:02):
more information than usual on. Again, so if you want to just grab
the book, this is in Gonevolume two. So, like you said,
he was seen going in, hewas seen into the bar. He
was seen on camera several different timesthroughout the night. Now he told his
friends he had to use the bathroom. He was seen getting up and walking

(42:23):
towards the bathroom. He was neverseen again. He was not seen on
any of the massive surveillance that wasoutside of this bar, all up and
down the street. This is acollege town, their cameras, especially nowadays,
but even back in two thousand andsix, they were everywhere. He
was never seen going out any ofthe exits, including that some people say

(42:45):
he went out maybe the construction exitbecause they were renovating a certain area.
They searched, you know, highand low for this kid, and they
just never found him. He literallydisappeared into thin air. And for me,
I have to really stop myself becausea lot of the time in cases
like this, okay, I immediatelythink where did they go? They went

(43:07):
up, right, Like where doyou go? You just go up when
no one's looking. But I'm wonderingwith the college age kids that are all
disappearing and ending up in water sources. But they haven't been, you know,
deceased as long as they've been inthe water. You guys know what
I'm talking about. David Politis wrotea book about it. Was this a
part of that. I really don'tknow. Did he meet someone or something

(43:31):
in the bathroom that did something tohim? And I'm not saying this as
like a human being. I'm talkingabout, you know, one of the
extraterrestrial races that live among us,or some kind of dark spirit that you
know. Again, it sounds veryfantastical, guys, but you have to
understand in my world of the thingsthat I see every day, this is

(43:52):
pretty normal, average stuff that thiskid, this bright young man who was
going to contribute a lot to thegood in the world and the light of
the world being a doctor or amed student, saving the life of human
beings, that he would be accostedby something possibly demonic or lower vibrational,

(44:12):
something much darker that did not wanthim doing this, Yeah, and took
him. Yeah, it's just becausethere was so much surveillance of this bar
and even on the street and tojust yeah, to see him on the
video and they definitely had the interestscovered and the exits and yeah, no

(44:32):
tracing him. Even the police arejust on their hands up, like what
the hell, you know, Like, how do you go into a bar?
Yeah and disappear? They are adamantthat you know, people were saying,
well, maybe he did leave,but the police missed him. The
police said, they are adamant thatthey don't know what in the world happened,
and they can't explain it, butthey are They said, we have

(44:54):
searched every single square inch, everysingle second of frame from the time he
walked intoto that bar until the nextmorning. He did not leave, and
they even searched. They picked throughevery dumpster within like a six block radius.
They brought in sniff for dogs.He didn't show up on a single

(45:17):
frame of footage over multiple cameras.Not to mention, he wasn't like in
the background of anyone's pictures either,right, so now you take a picture,
you catch people in the background.It's like after he said he was
going to the bathroom, he wasgone. And I'm sorry, but I
don't think someone did this like somesort of ninja like evasion tactic, that

(45:44):
they managed to carry him out somehowwithout ever being seen or found out.
It just it's more unlikely to methan something paranormal otherworldly happening to him,
that a human being was the causeof this. I just don't believe for
a second human being had something todo with this disappearance. And this is
one that I can say that Iam. I am adamant that this was

(46:07):
not done by a human being,especially in today's society with all the cameras
and and like you're saying, withpeople taking photos and and all that stuff,
for somebody to just disappear in withinair, especially you know, downtown
in a bar somewhere, it's justcrazy, I know, I know,
like Nashville, how many people,Yeah, like Nashville. It's we just

(46:27):
had that case with Riley Strain andthey finally found his body in the water
eight days later, but you know, all these cameras and he still was
missing for eight days and there's stillquestions around that. We were talking about
that. I was kind of catchingup on that before we're recording, but
he was sound missing. Is cowboyboots, his paints and his underwear?
He only had a shirt on.And my question is, you know,

(46:47):
we all know if you wear cowboyboots, you know how hard they are
to put on and take off.And the Cumberland River, I mean,
it's it has a current, butit's not something that would pull your boots
off, you know, And theyfound this. Yeah, they just found
his debit card by itself on theon the bank of the river as well,
So it's a weird, weird disappearance. And then of course they're calling

(47:09):
it a accidental drowning. But heonly had one drink at the bar and
then drank two waters and then theykicked him out because they found he was
too drunk. So that's a littlesuspicious. But they didn't find from the
autos support, I don't think theyfound that he was even drunk. But
they didn't find the other drugs inthe system either. So there are a
lot of cases that I've come acrosslike that, And that's kind of a

(47:32):
reoccurring theme in the sobering coincidence stuff, right that Dave Politis talked about,
where the college kids do you gomissing they've had a drink or two and
they're so inebriated. You see themstumbling banging into people. I do feel
like and you know there's a smileyFaced killer element of it. Brian Sheefer

(47:54):
is a lot of the times includedin the Smiley Face Killer. Listen,
guys, this has been going onas far as the Smiley Face Killer since
the Internet started, because they believeit's a group of people on the dark
web who got together and decided tomurder. Okay, but that can't possibly
be what's happening because it's been goingon for so long now that there would

(48:16):
have been one shred of evidence,one tiny clue. And to me,
I can't think of any names ofcases off the top of my head.
But there's there's a lot of timesin these quote unquote accidental drownings where the
person the young man, that wasalways a young man. I've looked for

(48:39):
women dying in the same way orbeing victims of the same circumstances. I
cannot find. I found maybe Iactually recently found on that. I'm gonna
be talking about my channel. Butanyway, so they say they're deceased for
you know, five days. Theautopsy shows they are deceased for five days.
Well, they've been in the they'vebeen missing for thirty days, or

(49:00):
they've been in the water. I'msorry for five days, they've been missing
for thirty Right, no one wantsto talk about what could have possibly happened
that other twenty five days. Andthis happened way more than once or twice.
Yeah, and the similarities with theages and college kids and college guys
and all that is just crazy.So always the young men. Yeah,

(49:22):
yeah, and there's always weird stuffsurrounding it. But for your third book
you're working on it now, Isthere any stories that you can kind of
share with us, kind of sneakpeak the third one. Yeah, just
if you can give me one second, okay. Stacy Airis So this happened
in July of nineteen eighty one.She was fourteen years old. She went
with her father and a group often other people on a riding trip to

(49:46):
Yosemite National Park. It was Julytwenty fifth. They were going to be
out there for about four days.So they get there. Her legs are
kind of tired because they rode horseor camels, depending on who on which
source you abide. Bye, upup the mountain. They were riding all
day. So she got into oneof the cabins that they had rented.

(50:08):
She was there with her dad.She took a shower. She said,
you know, I'm just gonna walkdown one of the trails and take some
photos. She really liked taking pictures. She During her walk, she ran
into a guy named Gerald Stort.He was an elderly member. He was
like seventy years old. He walkeda little bit with her down the trail,
but then he got really tired,so he sat there and was watching

(50:29):
her. She was standing on topof a rock taking pictures overlooking this small
lake. He turned around to lookat someone who way behind called to something
similar, and when he turned backaround, so this was a two second
turnaround, she was gone. Theonly thing they ever found was the lens
of her camera. Wow. Shedisappeared right in front of at least witnesses

(50:51):
within two seconds. Yeah, thatis that makes me not want to go
in the woods. Stories like that. Yeah. You know. One other
thing crazy about Stacy's case is DavePolitis. He would get you know,
he gets tons of foy as weall do when we're doing this kind of
work, and we're entitled to itas the public right to the Freedom of

(51:12):
Information Act. To get the casefiles. He was told in this case,
you will never ever get that casefile. And when he asked why,
the guy was like, because youwon't. Wow. And Stacy is
not listed as a missing person onany database. She's now on the Charlie
Project, but as far as neckMac she was not because at the time,

(51:36):
in nineteen eighty one, the nationalparks did not have to report missing
people. So they do not onlydon't have her listed as missing in a
national park, they are refusing togive out the Freedom of Information Act paperwork
on her case. There's something herethat we are missing that lot of people
higher up perhaps know about that happenedto and I believe it's something similar to

(52:01):
you know, why the Green Beretsshow up for a missing two year old
and they're they're there to quote unquotehelp with the search. And this has
happened more times than I can count. Yeah, everyone has to stay away
from the areas in what they're searchingand can't communicate with them in any way,
right, or the FBI is showingup and taking over the case when

(52:22):
they don't do missing persons unless itcrosses state borders and they can prove this
somebody's kidnapped or something. That's whenthe FBI gets evolved. But not in
a missing not a national park.But they show up a lot of these
cases, and I've even heard storiesabout Yeah, and I've heard stories about
even some of those in Canada wherethe Canadian government has showed up for missing
persons with like special forces with youknow AR fifteen's and all this all this

(52:45):
keV laren stuff on to go throughthe woods looking for a missing persons.
Well, why would you need allof that tactical year unless you know something
we don't. Yeah, And ifyou're there to help with the search,
shouldn't you be coordinating with the othersearchers you be speaking to the lead investigators
on the case. It's like,no, Now, I'm not saying this
did happen in Stacy's case, butit was very reminiscent to me of those

(53:08):
times when they do come in andjust totally overtake the case for like a
day and then everything's back to businessas usual as they watch everyone's search.
When I believe they actually know what'sgoing on. Yeah, and there's some
cases where they've even kicked the searchand rescue out of the woods and won't
want them back in, you know, Yes, and things like that that
they're just weird and no explanation,know nothing to the family, to anybody.

(53:31):
Yep. And you know it hasn'thappened again, Like it doesn't happen.
And that's the thing. It doesn'thappen enough that like the general public
would be aware of it, right, But it happens enough that if you're
researching, you'll see it coming uptime and time again. Yeah. Yeah,
it's just weird strange things in thisworld that we can't explain. Yeah,

(53:52):
you know, even with all theweird strange things that I deal with
on a dal on a day today daily basis, it's still strange to
me, and that this is oneof the reasons I barely leave my house,
let alone go into the woods.You know, I am fearful.
I am because this is happening toyour average regular person and me being as
connected and as sensitive as I am. You know, I'm terrified, I

(54:14):
really am. And I caution peoplein my books too, you know,
I'm not trying to put fear inpeople's hearts. Go out, explore or
connect with nature, but make sureyou know the area where you're going,
make sure you know the legends ofthat area. It sounds ridiculous, but
you should know the legends of thearea on wich you're going into, and

(54:35):
maybe bring you know, a littleoffering in case you do run into something
like some tobacco or a little airplanebottle of liquor or something. Yeah,
And I always tell my listeners thisis why I don't camp. Well,
I don't camp. Yeah. No, that little thin layer of fabric between

(54:58):
you and the outside world in thatten is not enough to protect you.
Not just from things that you can'tsee or that we don't understand, but
I mean even bears and mountain lionsand things. That's not gonna protect you
for anything. So yeah, I'mnot a camper and never will be.
Oh I've never been. Yeah,yeah I will glamp. Got you got
a cabin for me to stay inor something. I'm fine with that,

(55:19):
but I'm not. Oh my god, I can't believe you just said that.
Last week I was talking about campingand I was like, I don't
camp, guys, but I wouldbe more than willing to go glamping.
Like, I'm totally totally in forthe glamping. The pine barrens here in
New Jersey it's about two hours awayfor me, not not that far but
almost where they have these small cabins. And I figured, if we get

(55:42):
one cabin for the males, onecabin for the females, everybody chips in
and whoever wants to come can justcome and we can look for the Jersey
Devil and I can do a spiritcall and we could you know, live
stream some of it and I putvideos together. So I've been trying to
do that for a couple of yearsnow, just I can never seem to
find the right time. But Ithink this year or definitely next year,
I'm going to get it together andwe're gonna do that. So that'll be

(56:04):
my first taste of camping, butit'll be inside of a cabin at least,
you know, Yeah, yeah,a little more protected. Yeah,
and yeah, I've got something inthe work for this fall where I'm gonna
I'm gonna go out in the woods. Maybe not camping, but I'm going
out in the woods for a documentaryproject. But uh people awesome. Yeah,
everybody'll find out more about that laterwith the Stranger That Haunted documentary stuff.

(56:27):
But these books are fascinating. Thankyou so much for coming on Jim
and talking about them today. Thankyou for having me. I appreciate the
support. And it's always a goodtime talking with you. I really enjoy
doing these interviews with you. Andyeah, thank you so much. Yeah,
it's always a pleasure to have youon. All right, everybody.
Y'all go check out Jim's books.I will have the links in the show

(56:47):
notes as usual and look for Volumethree. Come out very soon and we
will see you next time. Y'all, stay safe, other have a good
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