October 2, 2024 • 43 mins
On this episode we welcome back Dr. Kris Sumner and Miranda Young, co owners of The Historic Scott County, to give us an update on the ghostly happening of the jail and Celly the jail house cat. We also talk about their new paranormal venture with Historic Rugby After Dark Tours and Investigations! They are now providing ghost walks, guided paranormal investigations, and private paranormal investigations of the Historic Village of Rugby in East Tennessee!
"Rugby is a Victorian village that was founded in 1880 and is located on Tennessee’s Cumberland Plateau. Placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1972, the National Trust for Historic Preservation calls Rugby “one of the most authentically preserved historic villages in America”. History, Highways, and Haunts, LLC has partnered with this historic location as the sole provider of after dark tours and events. During our tours, guests will be guided through some of the original buildings and structures within the village, all the while hearing the history, legends, and ghost stories that surround this historic and haunting site."
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"Rugby is a Victorian village that was founded in 1880 and is located on Tennessee’s Cumberland Plateau. Placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1972, the National Trust for Historic Preservation calls Rugby “one of the most authentically preserved historic villages in America”. History, Highways, and Haunts, LLC has partnered with this historic location as the sole provider of after dark tours and events. During our tours, guests will be guided through some of the original buildings and structures within the village, all the while hearing the history, legends, and ghost stories that surround this historic and haunting site."
Description of Rugby courtesy of www.HistoryHighwaysHaunts.com
For more information and to book your own advernture check out
https://www.historyhighwayshaunts.com/
Miranda Young and Dr. Kris Sumner on Social Media
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100092459812966
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100070351264947
https://www.facebook.com/@GhostBikerExplorations
https://www.facebook.com/soulsistersparanormal
Host Eric Freeman Sims and the show on the interwebs
https://www.facebook.com/TheKnightHouseKY
https://www.theknighthouseky.com/
https://www.facebook.com/eric.freeman.1048
https://www.instagram.com/theunseenparanormalpodcast/
https://twitter.com/TheUnseenPara
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7Nm2o2t_a1TlqDgqlpxxUg
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Join us as we dive into the history, hauntings, and
high strangers of the world to try to better understand
the paranormal.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I will be your guide.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I am paranormal researcher and investigator Eric Freeman Simms. Welcome
to the Unseen Paranormal Podcast. Hey everybody, welcome back to
the Unseen Paranormal. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you
for listening to the show and supporting the show. Y'all
are amazing, and thank you for jumping right back in
(00:33):
after allowing me to take a break for a couple
of months.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And thank you for supporting the Nighthouse.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We've had some awesome teams in so far and the
house has been active for him and the spirits have
been wanting to chat with them. So we had K
two Paranormal in was the very first official team we
had in a few weeks ago and they were amazing.
Kelly and her team are just a group of good people.
And then last weekend we had Stevie from True of
(01:00):
Demon's podcast and her crew in and they were a
lot of fun as well.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And then this weekend we had.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Beer Booze and Boogeymen do a live stream investigation on
YouTube and that was a lot of fun. A little
stressful at times to do live streaming, but there's a
lot of fun. They're a good group with Damian, Kristen
and Kelly unfortunately two of their members. Because of the hurricane,
we're stuck in Asheville, North Carolina and still having issues
(01:27):
out there with the flooding in the mountains. So y'all
send all the good vibes and jugu out that way
for all those people who are suffering in towns that
have been wiped off the map. And you know, people
lost their homes and their lives and their livelihoods with
their businesses and things, and so send all the good
vibes and jugu out that way. And you know, we
have to be nice each other and take care of
(01:48):
each other because we're all in this together, and even
though we all have differences in different opinions, we all
want the same things in life. And we have to
kind of remind ourselves of that because things like social
media and the Internet can kind of get in the
way of that make us think that we're divided into
more ways than what we really are, and it makes
us forget that it's okay to have your own opinion
and have your own thoughts and to put up boundaries
(02:11):
and not let people tell you how you should feel
what you you should think about something. But just treat
your fellow man kindly today, and like I said, send
a little extra prayers, juju vibes, whatever you do to
all the people that have been affected by Hurricane Helene.
And unfortunately we got some more rain and stuff coming
it looks like with some other hurricanes. So also, you know,
(02:35):
just do something nice for me to day, whether it's
just to say hi, or open the door, hold the
door open for somebody you going to the gas station
or the grocery store or something. You know, you never
know what that small gesture might do for that person
in their life. And it'll make you feel better too
about you know, it's always good to do something good
for somebody else. And so yeah, anyway, that's enough of
(02:56):
my ramblings for today. We're going to bring you doctor
Chris Sunder and Miranda Young. Y'all can find all their
links in the show notes to everything that got going on.
The best way to get a hold of them if
you want to do one of the tours is to
go to History Highways haunts dot com and they have
everything they have going on they have on that website.
(03:18):
All right, without further ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy
the show. Hey, doctor Chris, Mirenda, welcome back to the show.
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Thanks for having us, Eric, We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, it's always a pleasure. I always love talking to
both of y'all and being on your show, Mirenda and
chatting that so long ago. And congratulations on Honda Discovery.
I'm a Honda Discovery alumni as well. So my episode
just come out a couple of weeks ago, and you
also are coming out as of us recording in a
couple of days, so that'll be awesome for the jail.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, thank you, thank you, and congrats on yours as well.
We've been trying to watch it on sling and so
we're gonna we're trying to catch up now on our
our viewing of the episode. But so far theyve been great.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, and they've just been wonderful to work with. I mean,
you know, just just a class act team and just
great investigators. So we can't wait to we can't wait
to see what they do here.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The jail.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad to call them friends there. They
are awesome people and fun to just hang out with,
not even just take the paranorm out of it. They're
just good people in general. Yeah, and the whole the
whole crew.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I was about to say, everything from the camera guys,
to the sound people to you know, everybody involved is
just a class act group of people.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, So you have that going on with the jail.
What else is new with the jail and the and
the paranormal and the ghosties of the jail.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Actually, you know, we're rolling into October, so we're extremely busy.
We've got obviously our paranormal investigations, we've got day tours,
we've got guided ghost tons, we've got flashlight tours throughout
the jail as well. So, you know, the feedback that
we've gotten from our from our flashlight tours and from
our ghost hunts and paranormal investigations have been great. The
(04:56):
evidence that we've captured that other people have captured. You know,
our jail still loves to talk.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, and we're coming up on our third year anniversary here,
I guess it'd be what September fourth will be the
three years that we've been open there at the Jail,
and so it's been cool. We've kind of had milestones
every year of really cool things that we've been able
to accomplish by either expanding and adding rugby, adding different
(05:24):
tours to the mix, doing more guided tours. It's been
nice to kind of have these elements that we've been
able to add and so hopefully here soon we'll be
going to on our day tours and more guided format
instead of the self guided format that we've got, and
expanding opening the bank building. That's just been something that's
(05:46):
taken a minute with the logistics and everything. But yeah,
lots of cool things going on there.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Good I was going to say, for anybody doesn't know that,
here's the cat in the background. That's Selly. She's the
famous cat. If you go online, you'll see her ghost
video where the ghosts interact with her as well. So
she's got to get on her fifteen minutes of favre.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, Yeah, Shelly the jailcat. She she definitely has done
her part on this employee team. Believe maybe go to
our website. You'll see that she's had of guest relations
and she takes her role very seriously.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
She loves going on the tours with people, and even
some of the paranormal investigation teams will ask if they
can take her out for a few, you know, for
a few rounds whenever they're doing their investigations then see
if she brings any results.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, some of the video, I mean, stuff that y'all
caught at night because of her, and like maybe if
you hadn't had her around the jail, they might not
interact it, you know, like especially the one where they
like hold the door open for her to go into
the gift shop.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yes, that was That was an amazing piece of footage
that you know, we can't explain or debunk. Really, it
was captured in our gift shop and there's a we keep.
The door were typically closed. It's about two hundred and
fifty pounds steel door, and the security camera at five
am one Thursday morning captured it opening and something letting
(07:10):
Celly in. And we think it's because she really likes
that room. She likes to go in and lay on
the T shirts and the sweatshirts and stuff, and so
we think the spirits were like, here you go, Shelly,
you wanted to go in. Here you go.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
If I remember quickly, that door spring loaded too.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It is to some extent.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, to some extent. We have to actually prop
it open to keep the door open because it automatically closes.
And that's one of the things I always show on
my after dark tours and also with the investigations. I
like to let the teams try it because it's one
thing to see it on video, but when you actually
see that this still door. It was a former cell door,
(07:46):
so there's no scene. I mean, these doors were meant
to be closed and locked. So even if Celly was
you know, a very large cat, like a main coon
or something, and she could not get her claws or
her feet under the door or to the side of
the door to pull it open. So we'd like to
let the teams try that and look at that whenever
(08:08):
they come in.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, and she'd had to have some type of superhuman
strength to jump to the fifteen pound cat. Like I said,
that's a two hundred fifty pound steel door, so it'd
be very difficult for her to get that open. So yeah,
that's a great piece of footage. You know, there's been
several that we've captured where she's been involved in it.
About two weeks ago, we captured the footsteps I. Shelly
(08:31):
and I were the only two beings in the jail
at the time. This was during the day, and there
were some very loud footsteps bamming overhead, and she sends
them too. She jumped up on the display case and
she's looking up at the ceiling trying to figure it out.
So yeah, like I said, our jail has been extremely active. Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
We've done multiple live streams from there. We did a
live stream back on August eleventh, which would have been
the anniversary of Sheriff Richard Ellis's death. We did a
dueling trip wire session there where I was outside and
Chris was inside. So that was really cool, you know,
(09:13):
because we were actually getting hits on both of the
trip wires.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That we were not getting.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I mean, they were in response to the questions.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I saw an awesome piece of evidence that y'all posted
from somebody with a thermal camera.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yes, that was on one of our guided ghost hunts,
and those have become very popular because most of those
are our novices who have never investigated before, so they're
three hour guided ghost hunts. And we were up on
the second floor where one of the shadow figures is
commonly seen there in room two. And so we were
(09:47):
upstairs and one of the girls was using There was
three of us up there or excuse me, four three
counting me, and they saw something there just blip real
quickly on the thermal, and the girl had the presence
of mine to snap it, do a snapshot of it,
and when she showed me, I mean, it was it
(10:09):
was incredible. We were all just kind of gathered around
and that's the room where someone is often seen sitting
rocking on the bunk in that room.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, that's amazing to the thermal and and I mean
it looks just like a person there on the thermal.
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, it does. And you know, we can we can
honestly say that there's nothing in there that's reflective, so
it's not like they're from across the hall and you
can see a great outline of it. So it was
it was a really cool piece of evidence, and it
kind of validates again what we've seen and what teams
have seen, and to know that that is the area
it is, that's specifically the area where people have seen stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, it's the same room that we caught the shadow
figure on the live I was the only person in
the building. Christy was moderating it on stream Yard from
Virginia and we had the trip wires set up there.
And also and while we were doing the session, about
fifty people saw this this shadow come past that room
(11:08):
and basically just walk up right in front of me
and stand there, and it was pretty wild. So it's
really cool to be able to hear about these experiences,
experience them on ourselves, and then also be able to
take the evidence that everyone is capturing and look at
the similarities that people are experiencing in these areas.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, that's what I'm excited for most to get teams
coming into the Nighthouse because we've investigated a little bit,
but we have stuff happen all the time, like y'all do,
just randomly while you're there. You don't have to be
investigator or anything. You know, they're just there anyway. So
I'm yeah, definitely excited to have teams in multiple teams
like y'all had to validate that for yourself to say well, hey,
(11:48):
I've heard that or I've seen that, or you know,
and then for somebody else that captured. It's definitely validating,
especially when you're in there by yourself, you know, and
stuff and see stuff. So yeah, I'm looking forward to
that with a nighthouse. But so y'all have also taken
on so the jail is awesome. I need to come
back out there soon. We had a blast last time
and it's just an incredible place in incredible history. And
(12:09):
like you said, stuff happens all the time and they
want to tell their story and they want to share.
But y'all have recently taken on historic Rugby, as if
you weren't busy enough.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
With the jail, Like we're just saying about.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But Rugby after dark, So let's talk about because Rugby
is a is a a little village of like Victorian
style houses and buildings, and it's kind of unique in
that it survived from the eighteen eighties until now and
it's still a thriving little community. It's not just like
a history village. People actually live there. So for people
(12:43):
that don't know what, you know, what is Rugby more
than I just kind of described.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It well, Rugby to your point, Rugby, it was billed
as a Christian socialist community, was built in eighteen eighty
by a gentleman by the name of Thomas Hughes. Or
Is founded in eighteen eighty by a gentleman named Thomas
Hughes who was an author. He was a British author
and basically what he wanted was essentially a safe haven
(13:09):
for the second sons of England, those who were born
into gentry, but that were the second born, and so
the second born didn't get any riches, they didn't get
any titles. They were highly educated, but you know, the
inheritance went to the firstborn son, not the second born,
(13:31):
so they just essentially got a small allowance. Anyway, Thomas
Hughes came over in eighteen eighty. He brought a lot
of the second sons with him who wanted to come
to America. But the dream was that you were going
to become laborers, and so they have the thriving community
where in a toyday between eighteen eighty three and eighteen
eighty five, we had about four hundred and fifty colonists
(13:51):
in the colony of Rugby at time. But as I said,
these were gentlemen who were born into gentry. They're not
suited for this environment. They're not suited for hard labor.
That's not what they wanted to do. They wanted to
have drama societies and literary clubs. And so while they
had about sixty eight structures that were built houses, schoolhouse, commissary, church,
the library, it just really wasn't a great population for
(14:16):
the dream of Rugby to survive. So really Rugby was
encompassed between the years of eighteen eighty and eighteen ninety.
After that it kind of went into disrepair a little bit,
and then it revived again in nineteen sixty six with
a gentleman by the name of Brian Stagg. He really
encompassed the dream of Rugby as well, and he wanted
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his former glory, so he formed Historic Rugby Incorporated, which
is still the nonprofit that oversees Rugby today, and he
started to rebuild some of the houses in the exact
same style as they were before. So currently, of the
sixty eight original structures, there are fifteen. There are fourteen
that are still surviving. Some of them are privately owned,
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some of them aren't owned by Historic Rugby in Corporated.
And so what we did last year is we formed
a partnership with Historic rug Being Corporated and we run
all of their after dark programming, so lantern tours, we
have two of those. We do guided ghost hunts as
well as paranormal investigations. And it's a great way for
us to contribute to the historic preservation of Rugby because
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we split the ticket costs with Rugby, so every ticket
sold half goes to Rugby and half comes to us,
and it's a great partnership. We get access to the
houses that Historic rug Be Incorporated own and so they've
been very generous with allowing us to have access to
pretty much anything that we want to need out there.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, and I think one of the cool things is
they've been very guarded from what I've seen with the
paranormal stuff, which I think is great. The only show
I've ever seen in there was I think ghost Hunters
did an episode in one of the private homes.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Not aware of been ghosts have been there now, No,
they've only had a few teams, like I think Stones
River came and it's really only been recently that they've
been open. Now they'll tell you, they'll talk about their
their haunted history and their their occurrences that happens, But
(16:13):
it wasn't really until we sat down and had a
meeting with them back last year, and this was kind
of about a partnership that was about took about six
months to really get together, and they they met with us,
they came to the jail, they took several tours to
see how we do things here. They really liked what
(16:33):
they saw and it really you know, there took several
meetings of sitting down and coming up with what both
of our goals were, you know, to to utilize this
for preservation and restoration and then also for opening it
up to a different group of people that might not
visit Rugby because they're into the paranormal. And so they
(16:59):
have just been you know, greeted us with open arms,
everyone from the villagers who live there to the people
who who work at Rugby, and we've we've seen them
really open up to the fact because we can't make
a trip there to Rugby without sitting down with Chrissy,
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the head of housekeeping there, or Gerald that's over maintenance,
or even Annie that's you know, the operations manager, and
have them tell us about occurrences that they experience on
a daily basis over there.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, and to go back to your point, Eric, you
know they are guarded because this is living history. We
do there are residents that live there, like Miranda says,
but you know, you can't replace a house from the
eighteen eighties, you can't replace a library from the eighteen
eighties that still has all of the original books in it.
So they are very much guarded. You know, we had
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to really show them that, you know, we are very
much against the quote unquote demon chasers, and unfortunately that
what is very prevalent on YouTube and on paranormal media
right now, and so we had to really walk them
back and say, this is not what we do, this
is not what we're about, and we're not going to
allow people in that do that. So we have a
(18:15):
very stringent policy on teams and what they can say
and what they can investigate for, and demons is not
one of them. And so when they realized that we
were very staunch in that stance, they absolutely wanted to
partner with us. Into Moranda's point, they've been it's been
a great partnership. So while you know it is quote
unquote accessible, it is very guarded. They do have patrols
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and there's no trespassing, only sanctioned paranormal investigations are allowed now.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And you have to realize as well that this is
a different situation than the jail, more than a hospital
or even you know, your house there in Kentucky. This
is a living villain village. And so because it's a
living village, and because they have people coming on a
daily basis who are not paranormal investigators or maybe even
(19:05):
not into the paranormal side of things. You can't have
somebody sitting in one of the locations doing an unsanctioned
scance in one of the lodging rooms while you've got
you know, grandma and grandpa. They're just there for a
leisurely weekend. So this has been one of those things
that's really kind of not only made it accessible to
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people in the paranormal community, but also sort of helped
to put a control on trying to knock out some
of these unsanctioned investigations that they're having there.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I wish people just follow the rules because because
like you're saying, there really is a problem with people
just trying to go to these places and do whatever
they want. You know, I see there's a problem now
with airbnbs people trying to do that. Yes, and filming
and things, and you know that's against the rules of
Airbnb and Verbo and all of them, you know, to
come in and do that to somebody's house and they
(20:00):
don't know what you're doing in their in their property,
you know. So it's unfortunate that people do do things
like that and try to trespass and sneak and.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
All that stuff. But unfortunately it's a it's a factiful life.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, But I mean that being said, we do have
the like I said, the paranormal investigators who have come
in and even us ourselves have experienced some amazing things
at Rugby, you know, the all of the houses and
buildings that we get access to. It's it's incredible, the
the the amount of activity, disembodied voices, seeing apparitions, the
trip wire, the rempod, the periscope, these things are all
(20:39):
actively being you know, hit upon, and it's pretty pretty
amazing to see.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, and it's throughout the entire village. That's what's that's
what's cool about it is you have all these different
buildings that have all these different stories and all these
different spirits that are connected with them. Just on our
tours alone, and you know, with our tours, they're not active.
The Lantern tours are not active ghost hunt sessions, but
(21:05):
we do little sessions on each one. And I don't
think we've had hardly a single tour that has not
had something, you know interesting. The spirits there, they like
the people coming in and communicating and and the responses
are they're timely, and they are consistent with the exception
(21:26):
of the theater, which is a newer building there. They're
they're consistent with the time frame we're finding during that
the original colonist time.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, do you think that because it doesn't seem like,
you know, there's some tragedy or bunce people died there
or anything like that. So do you think it's just
because it was a place that people wanted to be
so that maybe they're coming back to.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Now or Yeah. And I mean we do have have
tragic history in that timeline between eighteen eighty eight. I
mean we had typhoid fever that hit in eighteen eighty one,
so we do have some deaths from that. Yeah, murder
suicides we've had. You know, in nineteen thirty there was
a young kid who was killed there Hire and Lowhorn
and we think his apparition is is very playful. He's
(22:12):
a spirit that is very energetic. He moves from house
to house. We captured a great picture of him, one
of our guests did and that we show on the tours.
And I think Content Discoveries had some interactions with him
as well, and so we had to have some tragedy
in our past. But to your point, I think that
Rugby is just it was such a welcoming and encompassing
(22:33):
location that it's even when you when you drive up
to it, it's just it's a different feel, you know,
I can't really explain it. It's just a different feel.
It's kind of like stepping back in time, but someplace
that you know, everybody seems to be jovial, everybody seems
to be welcoming, you know, not much strife or negativity throughout.
(22:55):
And it's just one of these places that it's right
in the middle of the big South Fork, so you
have all this nature it as well, and it's just
I think, just kind of a mecca of energy the
best way I can describe it.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's cool to have that many historic buildings,
you know, still around in that history. That's pretty neat,
especially because those buildings are not they're not brick. Most
of them are are wooden, you know. Yeah, and so
you know a lot of that stuff. So for somebody
to come in and preserve that's pretty awesome as well
in that history and agree, So how did so if
(23:28):
he came in and in the sixties you said the
guy came in and kind of saved the place, were
their private people still living there or did he they
sell those houses to the people that private people live
there now or how did that happen?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, so it never really became a ghost town.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Really after nineteen hundred, a lot of the original colonists
moved on to other places. You did have a handful,
you know, the Walden's who were the general managers there.
They kind of carried that on and you had some
people who lived in some of those homes that essentially
kept them up. And so it's interesting because Brown was
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really young whenever he got enamored with rugby and founded
his cause of the Historic Rugby Restoration Association there, he
was sixteen years old, and so that was his goal
and essentially his legacy that where he got a group
of people together and was able to get Historic Rugby
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put on the National Historic Registry and get it to
what it was today, even though there is only that
essentially ten to twenty year time span of all the
things that happened with the colonists. Really it's a pretty
amazing story when you think about how it's still successful
today and then being here in the middle of the
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Appalachian Mountains, a British community surrounded with little Appalachian homesteads,
it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, yeah, and just the idea of it, like you
were saying, trying to help people, and I could see
to where, like I was saying, some of the spirits
who resided there, even though they may have moved on
in life when they died, maybe wanted to come back
there because that was some of the happiest moments of
their life.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And you know, they enjoyed being there.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And kind of got out of their situation in England,
you know, even though they were you know, to do
well to do they're kind of just stown on their
butts and like here you go, you.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Know, yeah, yeah, their families were wealth do absolutely so
they would they would come over here with just just
a small allowance or inheritance. But you know, for example,
Madame Margaret Hughes, she was the mother of Thomas Hughes,
the founder, and you know, she came over at the
age of eighty three and to support her son in
eighteen eighty one, and so she knew that this was
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going to be her last office, and she knew she
was going to die here. She'd probably never go back
to England. So she packed up all her stuff, sailed
across the ocean and came up over here, and she
lived till the age of ninety. She died in Rugby.
She is the only member of the Hughes family that's
buried in the Laurel Dale Cemetery there in Rugby. And
so I think that because she gave up all of
that and and she was happy there at Rugby, I
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think that's why we have a very strong connection with
her presence. I think she's in several of the houses there,
and that's just one example, you know. So it's just
a very unique location.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, and it sounds like a lot of intelligent haunting
very much.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So, yeah, very much. So. I can honestly say I
think there is probably more intelligent. I'd almost say ninety
percent intelligent, more so than residual. I think the only
residual that that I think we could probably pinpoint is
the snoring guy in Kingstone Lyle and horse and carriage
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and some footsteps. Yeah, you know, and even those footsteps
may be intelligent, but you know, very intelligent sponsors audible responses.
Even on our lantern tours, like Brandon said, you know,
we'll do a small session on our lantern tours, and
it is common to get disembodied voices, to the point
where I actually had one guy on our lantern tours
get up and bolt out of the schoolhouse because this
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little this little girl's voice just popped up right beside
him and he was gone. So audible voices, it's uh.
And and basically any type of paranormal equipment seems to
be active in that in those buildings.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean, and it's and and that's that's that's
the really cool thing about that is it does seem
to be mostly intelligent. There are some era areas that
you know, you may have some activity that's not quite
related to the colonists at the time, but but you
would have that in the village, you know, because it's
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you know, you had several different families and households that
lived in those houses. So it's it's really great to
watch how it's grown with the activity, and that the
activity has gotten more comfortable with us, know when we're
coming in and talking to it, because they didn't for
so long.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I didn't have a voice. Nobody was
in there trying to talk to them, and probably a
lot of people scared of them. I mean even people
that live there kind of scared of that phenomenon because
you know, don't know, that's pretty awesome. Ninety percent is
intelligent stuff because usually it's you know, y'all know the
flip of the reverse. Usually it's ninety percent, you know, residual,
and you may you got a little ten percent chance
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to get intelligent stuff going on.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
But yeah, and it's it's interesting. I think one of
the things that I find to be very fascinating is,
you know, Rugby was really good at documenting their their
their existence. Yeah, they had you know, Emily Hughes, Thomas
Hughes's niece, was a wonderful photographer. So the photos that
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we show on the tours and the photos that are
throughout there are legit photos that were and there during
the eighteen eighties by Emily Hughes and other people that
were involved. Also the letters and the diaries and journals,
and then just Rugby had two newspapers that you can
go back and you can read all of that, so
you can really get a good picture of what life
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was like during that time. And according to what some
of the current colonists tell us is that when you
look at some of the different journals, they were reporting
some odd activity back during the eighteen eighties and eighteen
nineties there, so they were reporting seeing things. We're right
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there on the timeline shift, so we're in the eastern
Central time zone, and you know, it's it's just an
interesting place for different types of supernatural phenomena.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, So why did they pick that particular spot because
it is kind of out in the middle of nowhere
and like you said, kind of this foresty area with
the river.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
And all that it is. So in eighteen seventy seven,
there was a gentleman by the name of Charles Smith
Franklin W. Smith, and he was head of what was
called the Border of Aid to land ownership, and the
US was in a recession at that time, and so
he was good friends with the folks that ran the
Southern Railroad, and so they wanted a place where they
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could bring the laborers down from Boston. So he bought
sixty thousand acres on the Cumberland Plateau for a variety
of reasons. One, he thought that the farming would be
good there. He also was trying to convince the railroad
to bring a spur into Rugby from the line that
went down to Atlanta from Cincinnati to Atlanta, so he
was pretty confident that that was going to happen. The
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land was cheap, and so he knew he could bring
the laborers from Boston down to work the land, so
there was and also he was also going to tout
the medicinal purposes or the medicinal attributes of the mountains
and the water because there's a big river that runs there.
So he had the tavern in built. The idea was
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that these summer visitors could come and stay the summer
for the medicinal remedies of the water and the mountains.
But by eighteen seventy nine the recession is over. He's
stuck with this the sixty thousand acres. So coincidentally he
meets Thomas Hughes and Thomas Hughes said, well, I'll take
it over for you. And so since he already had
several structures built, the tavern in being one of them,
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it just kind of fit into what Thomas Hughes was
looking to do with his second son's colony.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, was there was there any other towns, like major towns,
because I know, Rugby's not far from y'all, I mean
from Huntsville in Oneida, which on that is kind of
like the bigger town up there, it is. So it
was like, I'm not in Huntsville around then, or were
they They were?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
They were, so you know, so this would have been
in eighteen eighty when this was established. Scott County was
founded there in eighteen forty nine, and Rugby essentially straddles
both part of Scott and part of Morgan County, and
so the largest town you know, at that point in
time when Rugby was being established, a lot of these
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little areas that are nothing now, I mean not even
not even a stop sign in some of these areas.
They had two and three thousand people that were living
in these areas. So the community, the current community of Elgin,
which is seven miles I think at that time it
was called either Sedgwick or Sagebrush, I can't remember, but
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at that time there was a train station there. There
was also it was very big for mining and lumber,
and so that was actually a really big community. So
it was seven miles from Rugby. Plus you had all
of these other little areas that were other communities, like
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all art Armathwaite, they were larger at the time. Those
were German communities, and so you had all these little
small ethnic communities that were popping up not far but
when you look at Scott County as a whole at
that point in time, a lot of the areas were
just they were booming towns at that point. So it
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was only seven miles from what at the time would
have been a big town.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So they weren't just kind of out in the middle
of nowhere without any kind of support or like, you
know anything. I mean, they kind of work a seven
miles by yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Take a yeah, well yeah, I mean, so as far
as like they they were isolated, especially from because some
of the letters that Emily Hughes rights. She would take trips,
especially up to Cincinnati during her time when she was
here from eighteen eighty one to eighteen eighty seven. They
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would take those trips. They would also go like down
to down to Texas and some of these larger areas.
That's where they would have to go to get clothing
and to get some of the amenities that I guess
they were used to. But you know it, you could
say it's isolated for for what they were able to
have access to, but as far as as being just
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completely off and out of nowhere. Again seven miles you know,
give or take, was would have been your closest.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a fascinating community.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I love the Victorian look.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Anyway, we had looked at several Victorian houses, but beautiful,
just the architecture and then also the time. I guess
it's one of those times that we probably romanticize. Now,
it probably wasn't as romantic as it as we make
it seem with you know, the Spiritualist and all that stuff,
but you know, you had Houdini and stuff like. Then
you have the Spiritualist doing table tippings and you know ectoplasm,
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which is all you know, we know it's all bs now,
but you know it was, I don't know, it kind
of kicked off the paranormal thing I guess.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
In a way it is.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
And you know, the Victorians were so fascinated by the
occult and in spiritualism, it was in the supernatural. It
was something that was death was a common thing, It
was a daily thing for folks there at that time,
and they did they they kind of romanticized it and
it became sort of a a fantasy of theirs with
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with uh, you know, the occult and supernatural.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, in that era. Like I said, I'm sure
we romanticize it like we do other eras. Uh so
you mentioned the bank earlier at first. How can people
book investigations and tours for Historic Rugby? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
So, so the best way to find that you can
you can go and look up Historic Rugby after Dark
on Facebook or look it up online. But the best
way to find a book is to go visit history
Highways Haunts dot com and once you go to that page,
you can choose whether you want to go to Rugby's
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site or go to the jails. We've got everything set
up to where it's it's basically contactless and easy. We've
got our frequently asked questions if people want to get
more information, and then we have our online booking calendar
for all of our tours that we have, our guided
ghost hunts as well as our private investigations.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So you had mentioned the bank earlier, So what are
you what are your plans with the bank? Now this
is in Huntsville, not far from the jail, so yeah,
it's yeah. I was just gonna say, what are you
all plans with the bank?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, So the bank is literally about one hundred feet
from the jail and it's built in the same time timeframe.
So the jail was built in nineteen oh four, the
bank was built in nineteen oh nine, and up until
COVID it was operation operating as the first national bank building.
It started as a bank, it transitioned into during the
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depression to transition into a clinic, a medical clinic, and
then in the nineteen sixty that transition back into a bank.
But long story short, So what we're going to do
is we're going to set up some museum displays in
that building, but primarily it's going to be our gift
shop and our point of sales system, so basically a
true ticketing office, if you will, And so that's going
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to allow us to free up two different rooms in
the in the jail. So that'll open up a little
bit more space for paranormal investigators. And at that point
we will be off site from the investigations. You'll still
have to we'll start to monitor you with a walkie talkie,
but otherwise we won't be physically on site. Will be
about one hundred feet away in the bank building. But yeah,
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it's basically going to become our point of operations, is
what we're hoping to do.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
That's pretty cool. So got the bigg original vaults in there.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Oh it does, Yeah, it does all the original save yeah,
the marbles, safety deposit boxes and.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Such, the actual teller cages. Yeah, it's really pretty.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And some carpet that's suspicious some in some places, but
you know how some of the carpet is. But uh,
it looks it looks kind of interesting. But now we've
already got display cases that we've we've earmarked for over there.
We've got displays that we're gonna be putting up, you know.
Right now, it's just really a matter of getting our
internet connected. It's kind of been a hassle in the
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last couple of weeks trying to work with them, and
they're trying to piece meals together some stuff, but otherwise
we're really excited about it. It's going to be a
great addition. It's going to allow us to do some
different things, to allow us to start our walks from
a different location and tell you the history of that
building as well as the history of Huntsville. Uh, So
we're really excited about it. We're really blessed that the
town of Huntsville, the mayor and the aldermen unanimously agreed
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that we've done such a great job with the bank
or the jail that they allowed us to have the
bank building. So we're really grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, I was gonna I was going to ask if
you're gonna do some like walks, so you have multiple
buildings now and kind of do a ghost walk.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah, we've actually been doing a ghost walk. This will
be our third year doing it. We don't offer it
year round, just because our flash slight tours are so popular,
but we offer it usually in the summer. We offer
it or certain times during the summer, we offer it
during the spooky season, and then we offer it at Christmas.
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We actually won an award last year for it for
the Christmas one we do, and so it's a forty
five minute walk around town talking about the history and
the haunts there, and then it ends with about an
hour and fifteen minute flashlight tour of the jail.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
That's awesome. Anything special coming up for October this year.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, basically just our walks, our landing tours, our parallel investigations,
you know, those are extremely popular. Also, we already have
several of those books both at the jail and at Rugby.
Rugby does some programming of their own that they've been
doing for several years, so we're going to kind of,
you know, kind of go with ours while they're simultaneously
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doing theirs. Also, so a lot of things will be
happening at Rugby during October, but also also the jail
just it's never ending.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Pretty much every at least every Friday through Sunday, there's
something going on, you know. And again our calendar, we've
got it completely open to where you basically pick your
adventure if you want flashlight guid a ghost hunt, lantern,
what have you. And then the dates that we have
available are there and you book them and we might
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open We've talked about extending hours in September on some
of the investigations, extending it by an hour. We've got
to get that information put out decide for sure, and
we may extend the investigations by an hour, or we
may we may do a Thursday night add that during
spooky season, but we'll we'll get all that information put
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out there, just to create as many options as possible
for people that want to do something cool.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, So have y'all been able to actually go investigate
other places? I know y'all been really busy because of
course Miranda, you got Ghost Biker and doctor Christ you
got Soul Sisters. Have y'all been able to do anything
like that this year? It's been a while since I
talked to you.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's been a little tough. And Miranda will have her
season coming up in October. She was real smart. She
put everything condensed it into one month. Unfortunately, Soul Sisters
has not had an opportunity to do any investigations for
about a year. But I am working on our next video,
which will detail our investigation of hospital on College Hill.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Awesome, Yeah, I miss your videos. The videos are awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I know, yeah, I know, yeah, So thank you for that.
I appreciate it. But we're working diligently on trying to
get some stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, I mean there's only two of you. You need
to clung yourselves.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, I mean with all the stuff going on between
Rugby and the jail.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah yeah, we haven't even talked about life, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Lots of y'all have had lots of things going on
in life too, with buying, buying new houses and things
like that as well in the area and all that. Yeah,
lots of things going on. But I appreciate y'all coming
on and talking. It's been a while, so it's nice
to think it the chat.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, Eric, thank you so much for having us, and
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
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I am paranormal researcher and investigator Eric Freeman Simms. Welcome
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for listening to the show and supporting the show. Y'all
are amazing, and thank you for jumping right back in
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after allowing me to take a break for a couple
of months.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And thank you for supporting the Nighthouse.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We've had some awesome teams in so far and the
house has been active for him and the spirits have
been wanting to chat with them. So we had K
two Paranormal in was the very first official team we
had in a few weeks ago and they were amazing.
Kelly and her team are just a group of good people.
And then last weekend we had Stevie from True of
(01:00):
Demon's podcast and her crew in and they were a
lot of fun as well.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
And then this weekend we had.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Beer Booze and Boogeymen do a live stream investigation on
YouTube and that was a lot of fun. A little
stressful at times to do live streaming, but there's a
lot of fun. They're a good group with Damian, Kristen
and Kelly unfortunately two of their members. Because of the hurricane,
we're stuck in Asheville, North Carolina and still having issues
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out there with the flooding in the mountains. So y'all
send all the good vibes and jugu out that way
for all those people who are suffering in towns that
have been wiped off the map. And you know, people
lost their homes and their lives and their livelihoods with
their businesses and things, and so send all the good
vibes and jugu out that way. And you know, we
have to be nice each other and take care of
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each other because we're all in this together, and even
though we all have differences in different opinions, we all
want the same things in life. And we have to
kind of remind ourselves of that because things like social
media and the Internet can kind of get in the
way of that make us think that we're divided into
more ways than what we really are, and it makes
us forget that it's okay to have your own opinion
and have your own thoughts and to put up boundaries
(02:11):
and not let people tell you how you should feel
what you you should think about something. But just treat
your fellow man kindly today, and like I said, send
a little extra prayers, juju vibes, whatever you do to
all the people that have been affected by Hurricane Helene.
And unfortunately we got some more rain and stuff coming
it looks like with some other hurricanes. So also, you know,
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just do something nice for me to day, whether it's
just to say hi, or open the door, hold the
door open for somebody you going to the gas station
or the grocery store or something. You know, you never
know what that small gesture might do for that person
in their life. And it'll make you feel better too
about you know, it's always good to do something good
for somebody else. And so yeah, anyway, that's enough of
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my ramblings for today. We're going to bring you doctor
Chris Sunder and Miranda Young. Y'all can find all their
links in the show notes to everything that got going on.
The best way to get a hold of them if
you want to do one of the tours is to
go to History Highways haunts dot com and they have
everything they have going on they have on that website.
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All right, without further ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy
the show. Hey, doctor Chris, Mirenda, welcome back to the show.
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Thanks for having us, Eric, We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, it's always a pleasure. I always love talking to
both of y'all and being on your show, Mirenda and
chatting that so long ago. And congratulations on Honda Discovery.
I'm a Honda Discovery alumni as well. So my episode
just come out a couple of weeks ago, and you
also are coming out as of us recording in a
couple of days, so that'll be awesome for the jail.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, thank you, thank you, and congrats on yours as well.
We've been trying to watch it on sling and so
we're gonna we're trying to catch up now on our
our viewing of the episode. But so far theyve been great.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, and they've just been wonderful to work with. I mean,
you know, just just a class act team and just
great investigators. So we can't wait to we can't wait
to see what they do here.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The jail.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad to call them friends there. They
are awesome people and fun to just hang out with,
not even just take the paranorm out of it. They're
just good people in general. Yeah, and the whole the
whole crew.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I was about to say, everything from the camera guys,
to the sound people to you know, everybody involved is
just a class act group of people.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, So you have that going on with the jail.
What else is new with the jail and the and
the paranormal and the ghosties of the jail.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Actually, you know, we're rolling into October, so we're extremely busy.
We've got obviously our paranormal investigations, we've got day tours,
we've got guided ghost tons, we've got flashlight tours throughout
the jail as well. So, you know, the feedback that
we've gotten from our from our flashlight tours and from
our ghost hunts and paranormal investigations have been great. The
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evidence that we've captured that other people have captured. You know,
our jail still loves to talk.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, and we're coming up on our third year anniversary here,
I guess it'd be what September fourth will be the
three years that we've been open there at the Jail,
and so it's been cool. We've kind of had milestones
every year of really cool things that we've been able
to accomplish by either expanding and adding rugby, adding different
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tours to the mix, doing more guided tours. It's been
nice to kind of have these elements that we've been
able to add and so hopefully here soon we'll be
going to on our day tours and more guided format
instead of the self guided format that we've got, and
expanding opening the bank building. That's just been something that's
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taken a minute with the logistics and everything. But yeah,
lots of cool things going on there.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Good I was going to say, for anybody doesn't know that,
here's the cat in the background. That's Selly. She's the
famous cat. If you go online, you'll see her ghost
video where the ghosts interact with her as well. So
she's got to get on her fifteen minutes of favre.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, Yeah, Shelly the jailcat. She she definitely has done
her part on this employee team. Believe maybe go to
our website. You'll see that she's had of guest relations
and she takes her role very seriously.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
She loves going on the tours with people, and even
some of the paranormal investigation teams will ask if they
can take her out for a few, you know, for
a few rounds whenever they're doing their investigations then see
if she brings any results.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, some of the video, I mean, stuff that y'all
caught at night because of her, and like maybe if
you hadn't had her around the jail, they might not
interact it, you know, like especially the one where they
like hold the door open for her to go into
the gift shop.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yes, that was That was an amazing piece of footage
that you know, we can't explain or debunk. Really, it
was captured in our gift shop and there's a we keep.
The door were typically closed. It's about two hundred and
fifty pounds steel door, and the security camera at five
am one Thursday morning captured it opening and something letting
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Celly in. And we think it's because she really likes
that room. She likes to go in and lay on
the T shirts and the sweatshirts and stuff, and so
we think the spirits were like, here you go, Shelly,
you wanted to go in. Here you go.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
If I remember quickly, that door spring loaded too.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It is to some extent.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, to some extent. We have to actually prop
it open to keep the door open because it automatically closes.
And that's one of the things I always show on
my after dark tours and also with the investigations. I
like to let the teams try it because it's one
thing to see it on video, but when you actually
see that this still door. It was a former cell door,
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so there's no scene. I mean, these doors were meant
to be closed and locked. So even if Celly was
you know, a very large cat, like a main coon
or something, and she could not get her claws or
her feet under the door or to the side of
the door to pull it open. So we'd like to
let the teams try that and look at that whenever
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they come in.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, and she'd had to have some type of superhuman
strength to jump to the fifteen pound cat. Like I said,
that's a two hundred fifty pound steel door, so it'd
be very difficult for her to get that open. So yeah,
that's a great piece of footage. You know, there's been
several that we've captured where she's been involved in it.
About two weeks ago, we captured the footsteps I. Shelly
(08:31):
and I were the only two beings in the jail
at the time. This was during the day, and there
were some very loud footsteps bamming overhead, and she sends
them too. She jumped up on the display case and
she's looking up at the ceiling trying to figure it out.
So yeah, like I said, our jail has been extremely active. Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
We've done multiple live streams from there. We did a
live stream back on August eleventh, which would have been
the anniversary of Sheriff Richard Ellis's death. We did a
dueling trip wire session there where I was outside and
Chris was inside. So that was really cool, you know,
(09:13):
because we were actually getting hits on both of the
trip wires.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That we were not getting.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I mean, they were in response to the questions.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I saw an awesome piece of evidence that y'all posted
from somebody with a thermal camera.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yes, that was on one of our guided ghost hunts,
and those have become very popular because most of those
are our novices who have never investigated before, so they're
three hour guided ghost hunts. And we were up on
the second floor where one of the shadow figures is
commonly seen there in room two. And so we were
(09:47):
upstairs and one of the girls was using There was
three of us up there or excuse me, four three
counting me, and they saw something there just blip real
quickly on the thermal, and the girl had the presence
of mine to snap it, do a snapshot of it,
and when she showed me, I mean, it was it
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was incredible. We were all just kind of gathered around
and that's the room where someone is often seen sitting
rocking on the bunk in that room.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, that's amazing to the thermal and and I mean
it looks just like a person there on the thermal.
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, it does. And you know, we can we can
honestly say that there's nothing in there that's reflective, so
it's not like they're from across the hall and you
can see a great outline of it. So it was
it was a really cool piece of evidence, and it
kind of validates again what we've seen and what teams
have seen, and to know that that is the area
it is, that's specifically the area where people have seen stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, it's the same room that we caught the shadow
figure on the live I was the only person in
the building. Christy was moderating it on stream Yard from
Virginia and we had the trip wires set up there.
And also and while we were doing the session, about
fifty people saw this this shadow come past that room
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and basically just walk up right in front of me
and stand there, and it was pretty wild. So it's
really cool to be able to hear about these experiences,
experience them on ourselves, and then also be able to
take the evidence that everyone is capturing and look at
the similarities that people are experiencing in these areas.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, that's what I'm excited for most to get teams
coming into the Nighthouse because we've investigated a little bit,
but we have stuff happen all the time, like y'all do,
just randomly while you're there. You don't have to be
investigator or anything. You know, they're just there anyway. So
I'm yeah, definitely excited to have teams in multiple teams
like y'all had to validate that for yourself to say well, hey,
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I've heard that or I've seen that, or you know,
and then for somebody else that captured. It's definitely validating,
especially when you're in there by yourself, you know, and
stuff and see stuff. So yeah, I'm looking forward to
that with a nighthouse. But so y'all have also taken
on so the jail is awesome. I need to come
back out there soon. We had a blast last time
and it's just an incredible place in incredible history. And
(12:09):
like you said, stuff happens all the time and they
want to tell their story and they want to share.
But y'all have recently taken on historic Rugby, as if
you weren't busy enough.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
With the jail, Like we're just saying about.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But Rugby after dark, So let's talk about because Rugby
is a is a a little village of like Victorian
style houses and buildings, and it's kind of unique in
that it survived from the eighteen eighties until now and
it's still a thriving little community. It's not just like
a history village. People actually live there. So for people
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that don't know what, you know, what is Rugby more
than I just kind of described.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
It well, Rugby to your point, Rugby, it was billed
as a Christian socialist community, was built in eighteen eighty
by a gentleman by the name of Thomas Hughes. Or
Is founded in eighteen eighty by a gentleman named Thomas
Hughes who was an author. He was a British author
and basically what he wanted was essentially a safe haven
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for the second sons of England, those who were born
into gentry, but that were the second born, and so
the second born didn't get any riches, they didn't get
any titles. They were highly educated, but you know, the
inheritance went to the firstborn son, not the second born,
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so they just essentially got a small allowance. Anyway, Thomas
Hughes came over in eighteen eighty. He brought a lot
of the second sons with him who wanted to come
to America. But the dream was that you were going
to become laborers, and so they have the thriving community
where in a toyday between eighteen eighty three and eighteen
eighty five, we had about four hundred and fifty colonists
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in the colony of Rugby at time. But as I said,
these were gentlemen who were born into gentry. They're not
suited for this environment. They're not suited for hard labor.
That's not what they wanted to do. They wanted to
have drama societies and literary clubs. And so while they
had about sixty eight structures that were built houses, schoolhouse, commissary, church,
the library, it just really wasn't a great population for
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the dream of Rugby to survive. So really Rugby was
encompassed between the years of eighteen eighty and eighteen ninety.
After that it kind of went into disrepair a little bit,
and then it revived again in nineteen sixty six with
a gentleman by the name of Brian Stagg. He really
encompassed the dream of Rugby as well, and he wanted
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his former glory, so he formed Historic Rugby Incorporated, which
is still the nonprofit that oversees Rugby today, and he
started to rebuild some of the houses in the exact
same style as they were before. So currently, of the
sixty eight original structures, there are fifteen. There are fourteen
that are still surviving. Some of them are privately owned,
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some of them aren't owned by Historic Rugby in Corporated.
And so what we did last year is we formed
a partnership with Historic rug Being Corporated and we run
all of their after dark programming, so lantern tours, we
have two of those. We do guided ghost hunts as
well as paranormal investigations. And it's a great way for
us to contribute to the historic preservation of Rugby because
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we split the ticket costs with Rugby, so every ticket
sold half goes to Rugby and half comes to us,
and it's a great partnership. We get access to the
houses that Historic rug Be Incorporated own and so they've
been very generous with allowing us to have access to
pretty much anything that we want to need out there.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, and I think one of the cool things is
they've been very guarded from what I've seen with the
paranormal stuff, which I think is great. The only show
I've ever seen in there was I think ghost Hunters
did an episode in one of the private homes.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Not aware of been ghosts have been there now, No,
they've only had a few teams, like I think Stones
River came and it's really only been recently that they've
been open. Now they'll tell you, they'll talk about their
their haunted history and their their occurrences that happens, But
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it wasn't really until we sat down and had a
meeting with them back last year, and this was kind
of about a partnership that was about took about six
months to really get together, and they they met with us,
they came to the jail, they took several tours to
see how we do things here. They really liked what
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they saw and it really you know, there took several
meetings of sitting down and coming up with what both
of our goals were, you know, to to utilize this
for preservation and restoration and then also for opening it
up to a different group of people that might not
visit Rugby because they're into the paranormal. And so they
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have just been you know, greeted us with open arms,
everyone from the villagers who live there to the people
who who work at Rugby, and we've we've seen them
really open up to the fact because we can't make
a trip there to Rugby without sitting down with Chrissy,
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the head of housekeeping there, or Gerald that's over maintenance,
or even Annie that's you know, the operations manager, and
have them tell us about occurrences that they experience on
a daily basis over there.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, and to go back to your point, Eric, you
know they are guarded because this is living history. We
do there are residents that live there, like Miranda says,
but you know, you can't replace a house from the
eighteen eighties, you can't replace a library from the eighteen
eighties that still has all of the original books in it.
So they are very much guarded. You know, we had
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to really show them that, you know, we are very
much against the quote unquote demon chasers, and unfortunately that
what is very prevalent on YouTube and on paranormal media
right now, and so we had to really walk them
back and say, this is not what we do, this
is not what we're about, and we're not going to
allow people in that do that. So we have a
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very stringent policy on teams and what they can say
and what they can investigate for, and demons is not
one of them. And so when they realized that we
were very staunch in that stance, they absolutely wanted to
partner with us. Into Moranda's point, they've been it's been
a great partnership. So while you know it is quote
unquote accessible, it is very guarded. They do have patrols
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and there's no trespassing, only sanctioned paranormal investigations are allowed now.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And you have to realize as well that this is
a different situation than the jail, more than a hospital
or even you know, your house there in Kentucky. This
is a living villain village. And so because it's a
living village, and because they have people coming on a
daily basis who are not paranormal investigators or maybe even
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not into the paranormal side of things. You can't have
somebody sitting in one of the locations doing an unsanctioned
scance in one of the lodging rooms while you've got
you know, grandma and grandpa. They're just there for a
leisurely weekend. So this has been one of those things
that's really kind of not only made it accessible to
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people in the paranormal community, but also sort of helped
to put a control on trying to knock out some
of these unsanctioned investigations that they're having there.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I wish people just follow the rules because because
like you're saying, there really is a problem with people
just trying to go to these places and do whatever
they want. You know, I see there's a problem now
with airbnbs people trying to do that. Yes, and filming
and things, and you know that's against the rules of
Airbnb and Verbo and all of them, you know, to
come in and do that to somebody's house and they
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don't know what you're doing in their in their property,
you know. So it's unfortunate that people do do things
like that and try to trespass and sneak and.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
All that stuff. But unfortunately it's a it's a factiful life.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, But I mean that being said, we do have
the like I said, the paranormal investigators who have come
in and even us ourselves have experienced some amazing things
at Rugby, you know, the all of the houses and
buildings that we get access to. It's it's incredible, the
the the amount of activity, disembodied voices, seeing apparitions, the
trip wire, the rempod, the periscope, these things are all
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actively being you know, hit upon, and it's pretty pretty
amazing to see.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, and it's throughout the entire village. That's what's that's
what's cool about it is you have all these different
buildings that have all these different stories and all these
different spirits that are connected with them. Just on our
tours alone, and you know, with our tours, they're not active.
The Lantern tours are not active ghost hunt sessions, but
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we do little sessions on each one. And I don't
think we've had hardly a single tour that has not
had something, you know interesting. The spirits there, they like
the people coming in and communicating and and the responses
are they're timely, and they are consistent with the exception
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of the theater, which is a newer building there. They're
they're consistent with the time frame we're finding during that
the original colonist time.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, do you think that because it doesn't seem like,
you know, there's some tragedy or bunce people died there
or anything like that. So do you think it's just
because it was a place that people wanted to be
so that maybe they're coming back to.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Now or Yeah. And I mean we do have have
tragic history in that timeline between eighteen eighty eight. I
mean we had typhoid fever that hit in eighteen eighty one,
so we do have some deaths from that. Yeah, murder
suicides we've had. You know, in nineteen thirty there was
a young kid who was killed there Hire and Lowhorn
and we think his apparition is is very playful. He's
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a spirit that is very energetic. He moves from house
to house. We captured a great picture of him, one
of our guests did and that we show on the tours.
And I think Content Discoveries had some interactions with him
as well, and so we had to have some tragedy
in our past. But to your point, I think that
Rugby is just it was such a welcoming and encompassing
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location that it's even when you when you drive up
to it, it's just it's a different feel, you know,
I can't really explain it. It's just a different feel.
It's kind of like stepping back in time, but someplace
that you know, everybody seems to be jovial, everybody seems
to be welcoming, you know, not much strife or negativity throughout.
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And it's just one of these places that it's right
in the middle of the big South Fork, so you
have all this nature it as well, and it's just
I think, just kind of a mecca of energy the
best way I can describe it.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's cool to have that many historic buildings,
you know, still around in that history. That's pretty neat,
especially because those buildings are not they're not brick. Most
of them are are wooden, you know. Yeah, and so
you know a lot of that stuff. So for somebody
to come in and preserve that's pretty awesome as well
in that history and agree, So how did so if
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he came in and in the sixties you said the
guy came in and kind of saved the place, were
their private people still living there or did he they
sell those houses to the people that private people live
there now or how did that happen?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, so it never really became a ghost town.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Really after nineteen hundred, a lot of the original colonists
moved on to other places. You did have a handful,
you know, the Walden's who were the general managers there.
They kind of carried that on and you had some
people who lived in some of those homes that essentially
kept them up. And so it's interesting because Brown was
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really young whenever he got enamored with rugby and founded
his cause of the Historic Rugby Restoration Association there, he
was sixteen years old, and so that was his goal
and essentially his legacy that where he got a group
of people together and was able to get Historic Rugby
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put on the National Historic Registry and get it to
what it was today, even though there is only that
essentially ten to twenty year time span of all the
things that happened with the colonists. Really it's a pretty
amazing story when you think about how it's still successful
today and then being here in the middle of the
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Appalachian Mountains, a British community surrounded with little Appalachian homesteads,
it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, yeah, and just the idea of it, like you
were saying, trying to help people, and I could see
to where, like I was saying, some of the spirits
who resided there, even though they may have moved on
in life when they died, maybe wanted to come back
there because that was some of the happiest moments of
their life.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And you know, they enjoyed being there.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And kind of got out of their situation in England,
you know, even though they were you know, to do
well to do they're kind of just stown on their
butts and like here you go, you.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Know, yeah, yeah, their families were wealth do absolutely so
they would they would come over here with just just
a small allowance or inheritance. But you know, for example,
Madame Margaret Hughes, she was the mother of Thomas Hughes,
the founder, and you know, she came over at the
age of eighty three and to support her son in
eighteen eighty one, and so she knew that this was
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going to be her last office, and she knew she
was going to die here. She'd probably never go back
to England. So she packed up all her stuff, sailed
across the ocean and came up over here, and she
lived till the age of ninety. She died in Rugby.
She is the only member of the Hughes family that's
buried in the Laurel Dale Cemetery there in Rugby. And
so I think that because she gave up all of
that and and she was happy there at Rugby, I
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think that's why we have a very strong connection with
her presence. I think she's in several of the houses there,
and that's just one example, you know. So it's just
a very unique location.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, and it sounds like a lot of intelligent haunting
very much.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So, yeah, very much. So. I can honestly say I
think there is probably more intelligent. I'd almost say ninety
percent intelligent, more so than residual. I think the only
residual that that I think we could probably pinpoint is
the snoring guy in Kingstone Lyle and horse and carriage
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and some footsteps. Yeah, you know, and even those footsteps
may be intelligent, but you know, very intelligent sponsors audible responses.
Even on our lantern tours, like Brandon said, you know,
we'll do a small session on our lantern tours, and
it is common to get disembodied voices, to the point
where I actually had one guy on our lantern tours
get up and bolt out of the schoolhouse because this
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little this little girl's voice just popped up right beside
him and he was gone. So audible voices, it's uh.
And and basically any type of paranormal equipment seems to
be active in that in those buildings.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean, and it's and and that's that's that's
the really cool thing about that is it does seem
to be mostly intelligent. There are some era areas that
you know, you may have some activity that's not quite
related to the colonists at the time, but but you
would have that in the village, you know, because it's
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you know, you had several different families and households that
lived in those houses. So it's it's really great to
watch how it's grown with the activity, and that the
activity has gotten more comfortable with us, know when we're
coming in and talking to it, because they didn't for
so long.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I didn't have a voice. Nobody was
in there trying to talk to them, and probably a
lot of people scared of them. I mean even people
that live there kind of scared of that phenomenon because
you know, don't know, that's pretty awesome. Ninety percent is
intelligent stuff because usually it's you know, y'all know the
flip of the reverse. Usually it's ninety percent, you know, residual,
and you may you got a little ten percent chance
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to get intelligent stuff going on.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
But yeah, and it's it's interesting. I think one of
the things that I find to be very fascinating is,
you know, Rugby was really good at documenting their their
their existence. Yeah, they had you know, Emily Hughes, Thomas
Hughes's niece, was a wonderful photographer. So the photos that
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we show on the tours and the photos that are
throughout there are legit photos that were and there during
the eighteen eighties by Emily Hughes and other people that
were involved. Also the letters and the diaries and journals,
and then just Rugby had two newspapers that you can
go back and you can read all of that, so
you can really get a good picture of what life
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was like during that time. And according to what some
of the current colonists tell us is that when you
look at some of the different journals, they were reporting
some odd activity back during the eighteen eighties and eighteen
nineties there, so they were reporting seeing things. We're right
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there on the timeline shift, so we're in the eastern
Central time zone, and you know, it's it's just an
interesting place for different types of supernatural phenomena.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, So why did they pick that particular spot because
it is kind of out in the middle of nowhere
and like you said, kind of this foresty area with
the river.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
And all that it is. So in eighteen seventy seven,
there was a gentleman by the name of Charles Smith
Franklin W. Smith, and he was head of what was
called the Border of Aid to land ownership, and the
US was in a recession at that time, and so
he was good friends with the folks that ran the
Southern Railroad, and so they wanted a place where they
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could bring the laborers down from Boston. So he bought
sixty thousand acres on the Cumberland Plateau for a variety
of reasons. One, he thought that the farming would be
good there. He also was trying to convince the railroad
to bring a spur into Rugby from the line that
went down to Atlanta from Cincinnati to Atlanta, so he
was pretty confident that that was going to happen. The
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land was cheap, and so he knew he could bring
the laborers from Boston down to work the land, so
there was and also he was also going to tout
the medicinal purposes or the medicinal attributes of the mountains
and the water because there's a big river that runs there.
So he had the tavern in built. The idea was
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that these summer visitors could come and stay the summer
for the medicinal remedies of the water and the mountains.
But by eighteen seventy nine the recession is over. He's
stuck with this the sixty thousand acres. So coincidentally he
meets Thomas Hughes and Thomas Hughes said, well, I'll take
it over for you. And so since he already had
several structures built, the tavern in being one of them,
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it just kind of fit into what Thomas Hughes was
looking to do with his second son's colony.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, was there was there any other towns, like major towns,
because I know, Rugby's not far from y'all, I mean
from Huntsville in Oneida, which on that is kind of
like the bigger town up there, it is. So it
was like, I'm not in Huntsville around then, or were
they They were?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
They were, so you know, so this would have been
in eighteen eighty when this was established. Scott County was
founded there in eighteen forty nine, and Rugby essentially straddles
both part of Scott and part of Morgan County, and
so the largest town you know, at that point in
time when Rugby was being established, a lot of these
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little areas that are nothing now, I mean not even
not even a stop sign in some of these areas.
They had two and three thousand people that were living
in these areas. So the community, the current community of Elgin,
which is seven miles I think at that time it
was called either Sedgwick or Sagebrush, I can't remember, but
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at that time there was a train station there. There
was also it was very big for mining and lumber,
and so that was actually a really big community. So
it was seven miles from Rugby. Plus you had all
of these other little areas that were other communities, like
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all art Armathwaite, they were larger at the time. Those
were German communities, and so you had all these little
small ethnic communities that were popping up not far but
when you look at Scott County as a whole at
that point in time, a lot of the areas were
just they were booming towns at that point. So it
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was only seven miles from what at the time would
have been a big town.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So they weren't just kind of out in the middle
of nowhere without any kind of support or like, you
know anything. I mean, they kind of work a seven
miles by yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Take a yeah, well yeah, I mean, so as far
as like they they were isolated, especially from because some
of the letters that Emily Hughes rights. She would take trips,
especially up to Cincinnati during her time when she was
here from eighteen eighty one to eighteen eighty seven. They
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would take those trips. They would also go like down
to down to Texas and some of these larger areas.
That's where they would have to go to get clothing
and to get some of the amenities that I guess
they were used to. But you know it, you could
say it's isolated for for what they were able to
have access to, but as far as as being just
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completely off and out of nowhere. Again seven miles you know,
give or take, was would have been your closest.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a fascinating community.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I love the Victorian look.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Anyway, we had looked at several Victorian houses, but beautiful,
just the architecture and then also the time. I guess
it's one of those times that we probably romanticize. Now,
it probably wasn't as romantic as it as we make
it seem with you know, the Spiritualist and all that stuff,
but you know, you had Houdini and stuff like. Then
you have the Spiritualist doing table tippings and you know ectoplasm,
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which is all you know, we know it's all bs now,
but you know it was, I don't know, it kind
of kicked off the paranormal thing I guess.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
In a way it is.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
And you know, the Victorians were so fascinated by the
occult and in spiritualism, it was in the supernatural. It
was something that was death was a common thing, It
was a daily thing for folks there at that time,
and they did they they kind of romanticized it and
it became sort of a a fantasy of theirs with
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with uh, you know, the occult and supernatural.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, in that era. Like I said, I'm sure
we romanticize it like we do other eras. Uh so
you mentioned the bank earlier at first. How can people
book investigations and tours for Historic Rugby? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
So, so the best way to find that you can
you can go and look up Historic Rugby after Dark
on Facebook or look it up online. But the best
way to find a book is to go visit history
Highways Haunts dot com and once you go to that page,
you can choose whether you want to go to Rugby's
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site or go to the jails. We've got everything set
up to where it's it's basically contactless and easy. We've
got our frequently asked questions if people want to get
more information, and then we have our online booking calendar
for all of our tours that we have, our guided
ghost hunts as well as our private investigations.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So you had mentioned the bank earlier, So what are
you what are your plans with the bank? Now this
is in Huntsville, not far from the jail, so yeah,
it's yeah. I was just gonna say, what are you
all plans with the bank?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, So the bank is literally about one hundred feet
from the jail and it's built in the same time timeframe.
So the jail was built in nineteen oh four, the
bank was built in nineteen oh nine, and up until
COVID it was operation operating as the first national bank building.
It started as a bank, it transitioned into during the
(37:01):
depression to transition into a clinic, a medical clinic, and
then in the nineteen sixty that transition back into a bank.
But long story short, So what we're going to do
is we're going to set up some museum displays in
that building, but primarily it's going to be our gift
shop and our point of sales system, so basically a
true ticketing office, if you will, And so that's going
(37:21):
to allow us to free up two different rooms in
the in the jail. So that'll open up a little
bit more space for paranormal investigators. And at that point
we will be off site from the investigations. You'll still
have to we'll start to monitor you with a walkie talkie,
but otherwise we won't be physically on site. Will be
about one hundred feet away in the bank building. But yeah,
(37:44):
it's basically going to become our point of operations, is
what we're hoping to do.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
That's pretty cool. So got the bigg original vaults in there.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Oh it does, Yeah, it does all the original save yeah,
the marbles, safety deposit boxes and.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Such, the actual teller cages. Yeah, it's really pretty.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And some carpet that's suspicious some in some places, but
you know how some of the carpet is. But uh,
it looks it looks kind of interesting. But now we've
already got display cases that we've we've earmarked for over there.
We've got displays that we're gonna be putting up, you know.
Right now, it's just really a matter of getting our
internet connected. It's kind of been a hassle in the
(38:25):
last couple of weeks trying to work with them, and
they're trying to piece meals together some stuff, but otherwise
we're really excited about it. It's going to be a
great addition. It's going to allow us to do some
different things, to allow us to start our walks from
a different location and tell you the history of that
building as well as the history of Huntsville. Uh, So
we're really excited about it. We're really blessed that the
town of Huntsville, the mayor and the aldermen unanimously agreed
(38:47):
that we've done such a great job with the bank
or the jail that they allowed us to have the
bank building. So we're really grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, I was gonna I was going to ask if
you're gonna do some like walks, so you have multiple
buildings now and kind of do a ghost walk.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah, we've actually been doing a ghost walk. This will
be our third year doing it. We don't offer it
year round, just because our flash slight tours are so popular,
but we offer it usually in the summer. We offer
it or certain times during the summer, we offer it
during the spooky season, and then we offer it at Christmas.
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We actually won an award last year for it for
the Christmas one we do, and so it's a forty
five minute walk around town talking about the history and
the haunts there, and then it ends with about an
hour and fifteen minute flashlight tour of the jail.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
That's awesome. Anything special coming up for October this year.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, basically just our walks, our landing tours, our parallel investigations,
you know, those are extremely popular. Also, we already have
several of those books both at the jail and at Rugby.
Rugby does some programming of their own that they've been
doing for several years, so we're going to kind of,
you know, kind of go with ours while they're simultaneously
(40:07):
doing theirs. Also, so a lot of things will be
happening at Rugby during October, but also also the jail
just it's never ending.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Pretty much every at least every Friday through Sunday, there's
something going on, you know. And again our calendar, we've
got it completely open to where you basically pick your
adventure if you want flashlight guid a ghost hunt, lantern,
what have you. And then the dates that we have
available are there and you book them and we might
(40:38):
open We've talked about extending hours in September on some
of the investigations, extending it by an hour. We've got
to get that information put out decide for sure, and
we may extend the investigations by an hour, or we
may we may do a Thursday night add that during
spooky season, but we'll we'll get all that information put
(41:01):
out there, just to create as many options as possible
for people that want to do something cool.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, So have y'all been able to actually go investigate
other places? I know y'all been really busy because of
course Miranda, you got Ghost Biker and doctor Christ you
got Soul Sisters. Have y'all been able to do anything
like that this year? It's been a while since I
talked to you.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's been a little tough. And Miranda will have her
season coming up in October. She was real smart. She
put everything condensed it into one month. Unfortunately, Soul Sisters
has not had an opportunity to do any investigations for
about a year. But I am working on our next video,
which will detail our investigation of hospital on College Hill.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Awesome, Yeah, I miss your videos. The videos are awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I know, yeah, I know, yeah, So thank you for that.
I appreciate it. But we're working diligently on trying to
get some stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, I mean there's only two of you. You need
to clung yourselves.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, I mean with all the stuff going on between
Rugby and the jail.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah yeah, we haven't even talked about life, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Lots of y'all have had lots of things going on
in life too, with buying, buying new houses and things
like that as well in the area and all that. Yeah,
lots of things going on. But I appreciate y'all coming
on and talking. It's been a while, so it's nice
to think it the chat.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, Eric, thank you so much for having us, and
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, my pleasure. All Right, everybody, y'all stay safe out there.
We'll see you next time. Have a good day. Thank
you for listening to The Unseen Paranormal. Join me next
Wednesday with a brand new guest, and please rate, review, share,
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Speaker 2 (42:47):
Until next time, remember some of the scariest things for unseen. Woof,
I've can bear your.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
If you pass the other side as a bike and
not hide side away the way.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
It's God and that
Speaker 3 (43:27):
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