October 16, 2024 • 33 mins
On this episode we welcome Elizabeth from Lanier Ghost Tours and the new podcast "Uncorked Spirits: Under The Water". We are chatting about the history and hauntings of this massive man made lake in central Georgia. We also discuss the towns, graveyards, and native burial mounds that remian submerged in the flooded valley. Book your own Lanier Ghost Tour and check out their podcast at the links below!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Join us as we dive into the history, hauntings, and
high strangers of the world to try to better understand
the paranormal. I will be your guide. I am paranormal
researcher and investigator Eric Freeman Simms. Welcome to The Unseen
Paranormal podcast. Everybody, Welcome back to season five, Episode one
(00:24):
seventy three of The Unseen Paranormal. Thank you so much
for tuning in, Thank you for listening. I love y'all.
I have so much fun and I couldn't do it
without you, So thank you so much for tuning in
and listen to the show of your week. And we
got a fun episode for you this week, a little short,
quick episode. And we got some other episodes coming up
for spooky season since we're still in October, some really
(00:46):
cool ones too, So stay tuned and tune in. And
before we get there, I want to talk today about
success and people's jealousy. I've experienced this over the past,
especially especially since we bought the Nighthouse. I think people
that I thought would be supportive and be excited for
(01:09):
what the new adventure that we're taking on, I found
they haven't been so supportive and excited and actually Some
of my bestest friends who have known my entire life
haven't said one fucking word to me of congratulations or
what y'all are doing is awesome, or I'm proud of
you or any of that, and it kind of hurts.
It kind of hurts because these are people that I thought,
(01:31):
you know, I have their back and I'm cheerleading and
champion the wins in their life. But I don't know
if it's jealousy or because they're not in the same
place maybe financially, or or responsibility or willing to work
for what they want don't. I don't know what it is.
I don't, but it sucks. It really sucks to weed
(01:55):
out who is your supporter and your cheerleaders and who's not.
And some of it's family that you know are jealous
or whatever whatever their issue is. And the ones that
really hurt, though, are the friends that you are always
there for and when you do something major good in
life and are winning at life, they sometimes seem to
(02:18):
be the biggest critics and I just don't I don't
get it. But at the same time, I am going
to keep working my ass off to be successful and
to make the night how successful to keep the podcast
going and have it continue its success. And uh, working
on my book. We're going to work my ass off
to make it successful because that's who I am. And
(02:38):
I'll still put good things out in the world and
treat people the way they should be treated and no
matter if they're they want to, you know, champion me
or not. But just siding that's something that's been on
my mind because just certain people that I'm close to
I thought would be in my corner a lot more
and it kind of you know, kicks you right in
(02:59):
the ass when they're or not. But all we can
do is keep our head up and keep working and
you know, make them more jealous. If that's the problem,
fuck them, make them more jealous, work your eyes off,
become more successful, and that's their problem, not mine. So anyway,
with that, that's my soapbox rant for the day. I
know we all deal with that shit and it's ridiculous,
(03:20):
but it is part of human nature and I try
not to be that way towards anybody else. I try
to support everybody and as they say, a rising tideless
all ships. So I like to try to help everybody out.
I'm not perfect, but at the same time, I work
every day to be a better person than I was yesterday.
So just treat everybody with kindness and do something good
(03:42):
for somebody else today in my house small whether it's
just holding the door open for them or just saying
hi to them. You never know what you're gonna do
that's gonna change somebody's day, and you don't ever know
what somebody else is going through. So anyway, that is
my two cents for the day. Today we are talking
to Elizabe and she is from Lake Lanier Ghost Tours
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and from the new podcast Spirits Uncorked under the Water,
and she is now offering Haunted ghost tours on Lake
Lanier down in Georgia. And this is an infamous lake.
It is surrounded Boyut legend, urban legend, and lots of
paranormal goings on. They flooded this valley that basically flooded
a whole town and a bunch of cemeteries and all
(04:26):
that stuff. So we get into talk about that, and
she has a new podcast out talking about the history
and the hauntings of Lake Lanier called Spirits Uncorked under
the Water, So go check that out anywhere that you'll
listen to the show. You can find that show. So
without any further ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.
We'll talk to you next time. Hey, Lisbith, thank you
for joining the show today.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Hi there, it's a pleasure for me to be here.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, when I got your email, I was like, it's
a topic I have not talked about yet, so really yeah,
maybe excited and so I just hadn't found anybody to
a person topic. So today we're going to talk about
late Lanier and you have decided to start doing ghost
tours on the lake and by boat and other things
(05:08):
around the lake. So how did you get involved with
the paranormal to want to come to do these tours.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
First of all, I'm not from Atlanta. I'm originally born
and raised in Nebraska, but I've lived in the Atlanta
area for about ten years. So I've been coming to
Lake Whan year for several years and just enjoyed it
as a lake, not knowing anything about it really. Yeah,
(05:33):
and about four years ago my husband actually got a
job at Lake. When here he worked for the US
Army Corps of Engineers. And when he got a job
there is when we started going more often, and then
I really started hearing the stories from people, and once
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I heard the little bit of history, I was hooked.
And I think obsession would be the right word. And
I just couldn't read enough about it and learn enough
about it. I just got so fascinated with Blake Whenear
and its origin and its history and everything that people
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see around the lake and steel around the lake, that
I just could have stopped reading about it. And I
got the idea probably maybe a year and a half ago.
I thought, what, I really didn't know of anybody that
did ghost tours by boat. I'd love doing walking tours.
I do them everywhere that I go. I love doing them,
(06:40):
and I just thought, we need to do we need
to do one by boat on Lake Whenear. And so
that's where the idea came from. And this was our
first summer doing the tours and it's just been interesting
and fascinating and exciting and it's been really great. So
that's kind of the story of how we started.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, and Lake Lanier is in Georgia, as you said,
you live in Atlanta, and it's actually it's a pretty
massive lake. Is built back in the nineteen fifties thirty
eight thousand acres and fifty nine square miles. So for
people that are familiar, We've talked on the show here
about lam between the Lakes before, and Lake Landier's kind
of along those same lines as they flooded these towns
(07:25):
and valleys with the Chattahoosee River to make Lake Landier
and to use it for hydro electric power for Atlanta
and all tho surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Right, it's a massive lake and it actually actually covers
five different counties in North Georgia.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, big, big place, and we're strying to find out lake.
You know, we talk about triangles in the paranormal, you know,
you have all these different triangles and all these different
weird areas, and now you're starting to hear about like
Lamonton Lakes and they got Lake Lanier has all these
weird things. It's interesting how these certain spots grow these
(08:02):
legends and focalore and not even that they're not true stories,
but they are very weird, odd places. Just doing research
for this and I've never been to Lakeland the year,
but doing research for this episode and seeing people talk
about it, people just talk about how eerie and weird
Late Land near area is.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, it's you'll hear a really broad spectrum of experiences
from Oh I didn't. I never felt anything too. I
got a weird vibe that I could place my finger
on it to just outright like something touched me or
I saw something with my own eyes or I heard
something with my own ears. So it's interesting because, like
(08:44):
I said, when I first started going to lake, I
didn't know any of the stories. I just thought it
was a beautiful lake and I did just feel like
a connection to it. But I didn't get an eerie
vibe from it. I just thought this was a special place.
It's interesting the range you know of experiences that people
have at that lake.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah. Yeah. And there's even been some TV shows I
remember seeing I think it Expedition X did a whole
episode on Lake Lanear, So it's even caught the attention
of the of the TV shows. But interesting place. There's
hundreds of people have died on this lake since its inception,
which is interesting. I don't know how that compares to
(09:26):
like other places that are like those, but the deaths.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Are Yeah, there's been over seven hundred deaths since the
lake was created in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And on average there's about thirteen people a year who
die for various reasons. There's of course drownings, there's boat accidents,
and then there's accidents that happen on land too that
that are still in the area. So it is a
disproportionate amount of fatalities and injuries that happened on that lake,
(09:58):
although it is there's a massive lake, and there are
eleven million visitors who come there every year.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Right, Yeah, so out of eleven million, I mean that's
kind of the every year eleven million. You think of
that over it says likely fifty something. That's kind of
drop in the bucket. The seven hundred people really, right,
I mean, it's still a lot, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's a lot of people, right well, because like when
you're local here and the local news reports on you know,
another death at lakes than here, so it feels like
a lot more y you know, when you're living here,
because it's in the news, but you know in the
summer there'll be like five in one summer, and so
it just feels like you're hearing it often.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, And there's all different kind of different stories of
different parts of the lake being either haunted or the
reason for paranormal things. You have everything from Native American
Bureau grounds to where they flooded the towns, you know,
having graveyards one of those.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right, yeah, there's yeah, there's the Native American Burial site
and we actually we go by that area on our tour.
That's a Cherokee burial site. And the other thing that
you can't talk about lake when near without talking about
(11:20):
the city of Oscarville. And they're just they're connected. You
can't talk about one without the other. And Oscarville is
the most well known city or community that used to
be in that area. So before it was a lake,
there was a community there called Oscarville, and that was
(11:40):
in the early nineteen hundreds. The lake wasn't created until
the nineteen fifties. But the reason why that everyone is
so fascinated with Oscarville is because it was an up
and coming, thriving community of mostly black residents. And in
nineteen twelve, something happened to one of the white residents.
(12:02):
Her name was May Crow. She was found murdered and
three African American men were blamed and ultimately murdered for
the crime. After that, the white residence of Oscarville chased
the remaining black residents out, and so that's what that
(12:22):
is really well known for. And it's a controversial subject.
A lot of people don't like to talk about the
uncomfortable portion of history, but it absolutely did happen. And
so that happened in nineteen twelve. Like I said, the
lake was the dam was built in the fifties and
flooded in the fifties. But you know, and then you've
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got the Chercube burial site that was you know, one
hundred years before or more so, a lot of history
in that area before it was ever a lake, and
I think that leads to, you know, just a lot
of thought about the energy there, the lasting effects, about
negative energy or traumatic events. They're emotional events.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, and with native burial grounds, I mean those are
those are revered places and so yeah, yeah, the natives
believe that if you desecrate those in any way, you know,
there's curses and hauntings and things that are associated with
those as well. Right, one of the things I was
watching is that they didn't really even discover that the
barrel grounds were still there because the Army engineer said
(13:27):
they moved all the bodies until the lake got real low,
and they still found some of the mounds.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yep, that's absolutely correct, the burial mounds. In the fifties,
there was an archaeologist named Joseph Caldwell and he he
did discover structures that he believed were associated with Native
American burial practices, but he didn't really they weren't documented
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very well, and so as a result, damned the lake
and flooded the lake as was planned. It was in
the nineteen eighties when the water got really low and
there was a treasure hunter. His name was Chris Robinson,
and he made the discovery and he thought it looked like,
(14:17):
you know, Native American burial practices, and he documented his findings.
He sent his finding two Cherokee elders who confirmed that, yes,
that is consistent with the I think they said that
the burial of someone of high status, like a chieftain.
So yeah, that was that wasn't until the nineteen eighties.
(14:37):
And so they really are underwater. You can see them
when they're when the water gets low still, but it
just looks like a giant rock pile. So I don't
know if you've seen photos of Native American burial sites,
but that they're they're basically giant rock piles, and sometimes
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they can be confused with like farmers who have cleared
their fields. Yeah, but these would be you know, more substantial.
They would be like five foot high and you know,
really really wide diameter. And that's when, like, you know,
if anybody sees that, you should notify the proper authorities,
you know, to make sure that it's treated how it's
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supposed to be treated now with all the protection laws
and everything.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
But yep, yeah, like Lambon between the Lakes is really weird.
Have you ever been to leamontween the Lakes?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It is it's half intendency and half in Kentucky. They've
actually flooded two valleys for it. There's there's a Tennessee
River on one side and the Cumberland on the other,
and it made Lake Barkley and Kentucky Lake, so you
have I think it's the biggest inland peninsula in the
United States. But the weird thing about it is they
have all these trails that you can drive because there
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is so much land there and you'll just see like
staircases to nowhere and like chimneys of houses that used
to be there. Because they ran so many people out,
and I was wondering if there's anything like that around
Lakeland the year, because I know it's manly just a lake,
not necessarily land. I don't know if any of the
islands or anything like that still had, you know, remnants
of where people live there.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, there are many small islands throughout the lake. The structures, though,
are there are buildings under the water. There are bridges
under the water, there's roads, there are chicken houses, and
they are under there. You can only see them with
like underwater sonar or special imaging because they're so far
(16:34):
down at this point, but we do know where some
of them are. And there are like really excellent photos
of just entire like an entire brick building and it
just looks like, you know, it's just waiting for somebody
to come back in and breathe, you know, breath life
into it. So it's really amazing. The thing that you
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may see more is there are trees. There's underwater forests,
and they left a lot of those trees. And I
think the idea was that it could be a place
for fish. It was sort of like coral to kind
of protect the fish, be a place where the fish
could hide from boats or human activity. But on the
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other side of that, it creates these underwater hazards and
that can be a reason, you know why Lake Lanier
is often attributed to be so dangerous because there are
so many underwater structures that people don't know about. You
can't see them. Boats run into them, swimmers get tangled
into them. It's hard for first responders to get to
(17:41):
them if they do get you know, in a tree
or something like that. So that is one thing that Yeah,
there's there's underwater forests, there's bridges, there are graves, lots
of structures underneath. Still there's a racetrack underneath. Yeah, the
racetrack you can see the risers were made out of
(18:05):
concrete and you can still see those when the water
gets low. I think the last time they were seeing
was maybe two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Wow. Yeah, that's and that's just eerie, you know itself.
And the thing that you know, there are still cemeteries
and churches and things and all this. You know, people
put all this energy into living there and having businesses,
and you know, some of them probably had multiple generations
of their families on these farms and things and then
just we run out of there and leave all that
(18:36):
behind with you exactly. And of course the government's not
paying them top dollar, you know, they're using imminet domain
and things like that for people that didn't want to leave.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Right, Yeah, exactly. A lot of the people just got
maybe enough value to basically break even, you know, once
they had left their you know, their piece of property.
And the government. I know, the government did relocate a
lot of structures, but back in that time, it was
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such a remote area where you didn't really have roads
that could relocate an entire building, right, and so if
it was in a place where you couldn't relocate it easily,
it was just left.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah. I looks him in some of the legends that
we talked about, the naive American stuff, but there's there's
one that's kind of pervasive that you kind of found everywhere.
Is the Lady of the Lake.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yes, the Lady of the Lake. Yes, that comes from
two women. Actually, this happened in nineteen fifty eight, Susie
Roberts and Delia May Parker Young. They were they went
out dancing. Delia made Parker Young was wearing a blue dress.
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They went out dancing. They stopped at a gas station
they filled up for gas and then they were never
seen again after that. And then about eighteen months later
they found the remains of Susie Roberts, but the other
woman daily made Parker Young. She was never She wasn't
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found for decades later, and when she was found, she
was finally identified. But witnesses say that she is seen
in spirit form around that area. It was about Highway
fifty three bridge, Dawsonville Highway Bridge and they see a
woman wearing a blue dress and she was wearing a
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blue dress that night and they say when they see her,
she doesn't have hands, and when her remains were found,
she did not have hands.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Wow, that would be that would be something to drive
through there at night and see a lady walkerun no hands.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yes, And we tried to contact her once with the
spirit box, my sister and I, and we got some
interesting responses. I think we did get one response from
her where we asked her if she was at Pea
and if she had her hands, and she replied a
perfect universe. And so then we felt good about that,
like she's at keys yeah, and then we're in the
(21:11):
same location. Uh. I think we were talking to different
spirit and that one wasn't so friendly. And we asked
if they if they wanted us to tell their story,
and it was a firm no, and so we said, okay,
we're not gonna tell your story. We packed up and
we called it a night.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
But yeah, there's another thing that I found interesting because
we kind of have this legend Intendessee in some of
our big reservoir lakes in Nashville, actually a lake called
Percy Priest and another like called Old Hickory, and it's
monster catfish. And here they call them cat zilla and
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there's divers that say they've seen them the side of
like volks facking bugs, and so people think of like lannear,
there's some of these catfish as well that maybe you know,
eating people or pulling people down.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Or or eating their hands. That was one of our
theories that why she didn't have her hands. But yeah,
that's that's whe they say wheelbar a sized or smart
car sized catfish.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Wow, that's the only place I've ever heard that until
now is, like I said, around Tennessee. That's one of
the Tennessee cryptids. If you look at Tennessee cryptids. So
it's pretty interesting have Katzilla. What other kind of things
have you all experienced with doing the tours and kind
of investigating The.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Main thing that I hear from visitors of like when
you're the absolute number one thing that I hear is
when I was in the water, I felt a hand.
I hear it all the time. I felt something. I
felt that someone, not just and it's easy to be like,
oh it was a fish. When buy you, people say
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you know what a hand feels like. Some people will
even say it grabbed my ankle, it tugged at my ankle,
it was a grip or or something like that. And
that is the number one thing that I hear from
people in the water. And we had one guest on
our tour on the boat and she said on the boat,
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she said she felt something touch her. And she looked around,
and I know her and I know she wouldn't make
it up, but she said, I felt something touch me
and there was nobody around to touch me. So that
is definitely the number one thing that I hear from
locals and tourists alike.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, that would be weird. Yeah, well, I mean you
really don't think of I mean we think of ghosts
and habiting buildings and things not necessarily you know, you're
out on the lake having fun and you know something
that you can't see grabs you like that.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think it just comes from so many, so many
depths in that lake, and there are unrecovered bodies in
that lake. I believe that there's twenty seven known unrecovered bodies.
And then you have the people who were in cemeteries
and maybe their cemetery did not get removed before the
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lake flooded, and so you know, it just creates this
this huge mystery, like why do people feel hands in
that water? You know? And then a lot of people say,
I didn't feel it wasn't ominous. I didn't feel like
somebody was trying to hurt me. I didn't feel like
somebody was trying to drown me. It just felt like
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somebody was reaching out, maybe just to be like, hey,
like I'm down here, we're here, like, don't acknowledge us.
You know, there's the major history in that area, and
I found that not everybody's comfortable about talking, you know,
about those difficult parts of history, and maybe they just
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want to be acknowledged and not forgotten.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Is there any reports like this somebody voices, are seeing
any other apparitions other than the lay of.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
The that is by far the most commonly reported apparition
is the Lady of the Lake. I've not heard any
reports of voices, but I do hear people say, you know,
I felt like I was being watched. I couldn't explain it,
and just a general vibe. And I always wondered why
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I've never really heard very many witness accounts near the
Native American burial sites, because I would have thought there
would be more activity. But that's one that I don't
hear as often, even though you know, we know that
it's there, and we know how much turmoil happened in
this area was you know, this was the homelands of
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the Cherokee and several other tribes too, who were you know,
removed in the eighteen thirties. So I always wondered why
there wasn't more activity around my area. But it's just
not as common.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So on the Late Land near ghost tours, how do
you how does those work? And what can people expect
when they when they book.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
One, Well, we were going all the way through Halloween
and then we'll start back up again in April, and
they just you know, you just took a tour. You
show up to the dock and we get you on
the boat and we start. We start in the oscar
Oscarville area and then we go up north. Our turnaround
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point is actually the old race track is the Gainesville
Motor Speedway. We sort of do a lap around the
track that's under the water. And then when we come back,
you know, and we stop at the Highway fifty three bridge,
and we stop at near the Cherokee Burial Mounds and
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we talk about these other these other things that have
happened in between. And you know, a lot of people
don't believe in spirits or don't believe in ghosts or whatever,
but they are interested in history. And we talk a
lot about the history and the tour and it's just
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it's nothing else. You're on a boat, you're on a lake,
and you hear some really fascinating stories and history and
it's I mean, it's just it's a great time. I
love every time we go out. It's just I just
I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, And you don't hear especially not ghost tours, but
not really too many history tours on both either. I mean,
unless you're like on the coast.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And there is just so much about this lake. Linear
project was just so massive in the nineteen fifties. Yeah,
and so we do kind of just talk about that,
you know, what it took to create this massive lake
and the building of the dam and just the whole
project was just an unbelievable scale and it really is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a massive, massive lake. And and you're
not for people just geography wise, you're not too far
outside of Atlanta, so.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know, not at all. In fact, I live I
actually live closer to Atlanta than I do to gain Still,
so it's you know, just drive up the Interstate eighty five.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And also you have a new podcast that you're doing
kind of surrounding like Lindear and the Stories.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah. Actually, my sister Erica and I we post our
podcast together and it's called Spirits Uncorked under the Water.
Because there just seemed to be so much subject matter
about this about lake when you're and everything that we
we just we're like, we just let's get some microphones
(28:53):
and let's make a podcast about it. So you like
never went out of the stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, and we also we also drink wine on it,
so we talk about some wine because we're trying to
get better at, you know, learning about wine and how
to talk about wine. So we thought I was to
mix the two. We'll drink wine and talk about lakes
in here, and we're so interested in pretty much anything
per normal, and so we have a good time on
that podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
But yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of history there,
and I talk a lot about that on the show
that you know, within the paranormal world, eighty percent of
what we do is history for the most part, because
you have to understand the history to understand why a
place would be haunted, Yeah, and why you know, also
who you're trying to contact, you know. And also if
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you look at that history, you can say, well, there
really is a history there for this place to be
haunted and for these things that are people are seeing
and experiencing, you know, like the Lady of the Lake. Okay,
well you know the history behind that. It's not just
some legend or folkal or you know story that's been
handed down. Is that there's actually a reason behind why
people would see this lady.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, exactly. And the other thing I think about too,
with places like Lake the Near with such emotional and
traumatic events that have happened in that area, and then
they get recorded into the concrete, you know, the concrete
that was made to make the view for dam or
(30:24):
the trees or the water, and then replay it over
and over. And then when you've got everything is touched
by water, which you know, I still like transmits the
energy everywhere. It just I mean to me, that makes
a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And like you said, especially with the
this turmoil of history, especially with the black community, and
there's a there's a lot more stories there as well,
with the night Riders and and kind of the the
KKK and things like that, and you know, black people,
black men especially getting accused crimes they didn't commit and
(31:01):
being hung and things like that. So yeah, there's tragic history,
like you said, a lot of people don't want to
talk about. But yeah, at the same time, as part
of our history, and we need to make sure that
we talk about it so we don't go.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Back there exactly. It's so important to just acknowledge the
historical facts of something that happened. I mean, yeah, it's yeah,
it's extremely important, and.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's important to keep those people's story alive as well.
They were just as important as white people or anybody else. Yeah,
if not maybe a little more important because they're so
marginalized and people don't want to talk about it, so
we need to make sure they're not forgotten.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Right And you know, although that we talk about ghost
stories and you know, things like that, and maybe people
don't believe in those things, but we still need to
be very careful that we're representing people's stories accurately and
respect and so we try very hard to always always
do that.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So if people want to listen to your podcast, where
can they find the podcast?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
You can listen to Spirits Uncorked anywhere you get your.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Podcasts anywhere there listening to this show, listen to the
Unseen Paranormal. You can get Spirits Uncorked under the water.
And they can go to linear ghostours dot com if
they want to check out more info and book a
tour exactly. And are you'll on social media as well, yes.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And that's also under the handle linear Ghost Tours.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Thank you so much Elizabeth for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Absolutely totally my pleasure. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, and another problem, I had to get down there
and take a tour out on the lake sometime. That'd
be fun.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, please let me know when you do.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah for sure. All right, everybody, y'all stay safe out there,
have a good day. We'll see you next time. Thank
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Join us as we dive into the history, hauntings, and
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seventy three of The Unseen Paranormal. Thank you so much
for tuning in, Thank you for listening. I love y'all.
I have so much fun and I couldn't do it
without you, So thank you so much for tuning in
and listen to the show of your week. And we
got a fun episode for you this week, a little short,
quick episode. And we got some other episodes coming up
for spooky season since we're still in October, some really
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cool ones too, So stay tuned and tune in. And
before we get there, I want to talk today about
success and people's jealousy. I've experienced this over the past,
especially especially since we bought the Nighthouse. I think people
that I thought would be supportive and be excited for
(01:09):
what the new adventure that we're taking on, I found
they haven't been so supportive and excited and actually Some
of my bestest friends who have known my entire life
haven't said one fucking word to me of congratulations or
what y'all are doing is awesome, or I'm proud of
you or any of that, and it kind of hurts.
It kind of hurts because these are people that I thought,
(01:31):
you know, I have their back and I'm cheerleading and
champion the wins in their life. But I don't know
if it's jealousy or because they're not in the same
place maybe financially, or or responsibility or willing to work
for what they want don't. I don't know what it is.
I don't, but it sucks. It really sucks to weed
(01:55):
out who is your supporter and your cheerleaders and who's not.
And some of it's family that you know are jealous
or whatever whatever their issue is. And the ones that
really hurt, though, are the friends that you are always
there for and when you do something major good in
life and are winning at life, they sometimes seem to
(02:18):
be the biggest critics and I just don't I don't
get it. But at the same time, I am going
to keep working my ass off to be successful and
to make the night how successful to keep the podcast
going and have it continue its success. And uh, working
on my book. We're going to work my ass off
to make it successful because that's who I am. And
(02:38):
I'll still put good things out in the world and
treat people the way they should be treated and no
matter if they're they want to, you know, champion me
or not. But just siding that's something that's been on
my mind because just certain people that I'm close to
I thought would be in my corner a lot more
and it kind of you know, kicks you right in
(02:59):
the ass when they're or not. But all we can
do is keep our head up and keep working and
you know, make them more jealous. If that's the problem,
fuck them, make them more jealous, work your eyes off,
become more successful, and that's their problem, not mine. So anyway,
with that, that's my soapbox rant for the day. I
know we all deal with that shit and it's ridiculous,
(03:20):
but it is part of human nature and I try
not to be that way towards anybody else. I try
to support everybody and as they say, a rising tideless
all ships. So I like to try to help everybody out.
I'm not perfect, but at the same time, I work
every day to be a better person than I was yesterday.
So just treat everybody with kindness and do something good
(03:42):
for somebody else today in my house small whether it's
just holding the door open for them or just saying
hi to them. You never know what you're gonna do
that's gonna change somebody's day, and you don't ever know
what somebody else is going through. So anyway, that is
my two cents for the day. Today we are talking
to Elizabe and she is from Lake Lanier Ghost Tours
(04:04):
and from the new podcast Spirits Uncorked under the Water,
and she is now offering Haunted ghost tours on Lake
Lanier down in Georgia. And this is an infamous lake.
It is surrounded Boyut legend, urban legend, and lots of
paranormal goings on. They flooded this valley that basically flooded
a whole town and a bunch of cemeteries and all
(04:26):
that stuff. So we get into talk about that, and
she has a new podcast out talking about the history
and the hauntings of Lake Lanier called Spirits Uncorked under
the Water, So go check that out anywhere that you'll
listen to the show. You can find that show. So
without any further ado, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.
We'll talk to you next time. Hey, Lisbith, thank you
for joining the show today.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Hi there, it's a pleasure for me to be here.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, when I got your email, I was like, it's
a topic I have not talked about yet, so really yeah,
maybe excited and so I just hadn't found anybody to
a person topic. So today we're going to talk about
late Lanier and you have decided to start doing ghost
tours on the lake and by boat and other things
(05:08):
around the lake. So how did you get involved with
the paranormal to want to come to do these tours.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
First of all, I'm not from Atlanta. I'm originally born
and raised in Nebraska, but I've lived in the Atlanta
area for about ten years. So I've been coming to
Lake Whan year for several years and just enjoyed it
as a lake, not knowing anything about it really. Yeah,
(05:33):
and about four years ago my husband actually got a
job at Lake. When here he worked for the US
Army Corps of Engineers. And when he got a job
there is when we started going more often, and then
I really started hearing the stories from people, and once
(05:56):
I heard the little bit of history, I was hooked.
And I think obsession would be the right word. And
I just couldn't read enough about it and learn enough
about it. I just got so fascinated with Blake Whenear
and its origin and its history and everything that people
(06:19):
see around the lake and steel around the lake, that
I just could have stopped reading about it. And I
got the idea probably maybe a year and a half ago.
I thought, what, I really didn't know of anybody that
did ghost tours by boat. I'd love doing walking tours.
I do them everywhere that I go. I love doing them,
(06:40):
and I just thought, we need to do we need
to do one by boat on Lake Whenear. And so
that's where the idea came from. And this was our
first summer doing the tours and it's just been interesting
and fascinating and exciting and it's been really great. So
that's kind of the story of how we started.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, and Lake Lanier is in Georgia, as you said,
you live in Atlanta, and it's actually it's a pretty
massive lake. Is built back in the nineteen fifties thirty
eight thousand acres and fifty nine square miles. So for
people that are familiar, We've talked on the show here
about lam between the Lakes before, and Lake Landier's kind
of along those same lines as they flooded these towns
(07:25):
and valleys with the Chattahoosee River to make Lake Landier
and to use it for hydro electric power for Atlanta
and all tho surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Right, it's a massive lake and it actually actually covers
five different counties in North Georgia.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, big, big place, and we're strying to find out lake.
You know, we talk about triangles in the paranormal, you know,
you have all these different triangles and all these different
weird areas, and now you're starting to hear about like
Lamonton Lakes and they got Lake Lanier has all these
weird things. It's interesting how these certain spots grow these
(08:02):
legends and focalore and not even that they're not true stories,
but they are very weird, odd places. Just doing research
for this and I've never been to Lakeland the year,
but doing research for this episode and seeing people talk
about it, people just talk about how eerie and weird
Late Land near area is.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, it's you'll hear a really broad spectrum of experiences
from Oh I didn't. I never felt anything too. I
got a weird vibe that I could place my finger
on it to just outright like something touched me or
I saw something with my own eyes or I heard
something with my own ears. So it's interesting because, like
(08:44):
I said, when I first started going to lake, I
didn't know any of the stories. I just thought it
was a beautiful lake and I did just feel like
a connection to it. But I didn't get an eerie
vibe from it. I just thought this was a special place.
It's interesting the range you know of experiences that people
have at that lake.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah. Yeah. And there's even been some TV shows I
remember seeing I think it Expedition X did a whole
episode on Lake Lanear, So it's even caught the attention
of the of the TV shows. But interesting place. There's
hundreds of people have died on this lake since its inception,
which is interesting. I don't know how that compares to
(09:26):
like other places that are like those, but the deaths.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Are Yeah, there's been over seven hundred deaths since the
lake was created in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And on average there's about thirteen people a year who
die for various reasons. There's of course drownings, there's boat accidents,
and then there's accidents that happen on land too that
that are still in the area. So it is a
disproportionate amount of fatalities and injuries that happened on that lake,
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although it is there's a massive lake, and there are
eleven million visitors who come there every year.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Right, Yeah, so out of eleven million, I mean that's
kind of the every year eleven million. You think of
that over it says likely fifty something. That's kind of
drop in the bucket. The seven hundred people really, right,
I mean, it's still a lot, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's a lot of people, right well, because like when
you're local here and the local news reports on you know,
another death at lakes than here, so it feels like
a lot more y you know, when you're living here,
because it's in the news, but you know in the
summer there'll be like five in one summer, and so
it just feels like you're hearing it often.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, And there's all different kind of different stories of
different parts of the lake being either haunted or the
reason for paranormal things. You have everything from Native American
Bureau grounds to where they flooded the towns, you know,
having graveyards one of those.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right, yeah, there's yeah, there's the Native American Burial site
and we actually we go by that area on our tour.
That's a Cherokee burial site. And the other thing that
you can't talk about lake when near without talking about
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the city of Oscarville. And they're just they're connected. You
can't talk about one without the other. And Oscarville is
the most well known city or community that used to
be in that area. So before it was a lake,
there was a community there called Oscarville, and that was
(11:40):
in the early nineteen hundreds. The lake wasn't created until
the nineteen fifties. But the reason why that everyone is
so fascinated with Oscarville is because it was an up
and coming, thriving community of mostly black residents. And in
nineteen twelve, something happened to one of the white residents.
(12:02):
Her name was May Crow. She was found murdered and
three African American men were blamed and ultimately murdered for
the crime. After that, the white residence of Oscarville chased
the remaining black residents out, and so that's what that
(12:22):
is really well known for. And it's a controversial subject.
A lot of people don't like to talk about the
uncomfortable portion of history, but it absolutely did happen. And
so that happened in nineteen twelve. Like I said, the
lake was the dam was built in the fifties and
flooded in the fifties. But you know, and then you've
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got the Chercube burial site that was you know, one
hundred years before or more so, a lot of history
in that area before it was ever a lake, and
I think that leads to, you know, just a lot
of thought about the energy there, the lasting effects, about
negative energy or traumatic events. They're emotional events.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, and with native burial grounds, I mean those are
those are revered places and so yeah, yeah, the natives
believe that if you desecrate those in any way, you know,
there's curses and hauntings and things that are associated with
those as well. Right, one of the things I was
watching is that they didn't really even discover that the
barrel grounds were still there because the Army engineer said
(13:27):
they moved all the bodies until the lake got real low,
and they still found some of the mounds.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yep, that's absolutely correct, the burial mounds. In the fifties,
there was an archaeologist named Joseph Caldwell and he he
did discover structures that he believed were associated with Native
American burial practices, but he didn't really they weren't documented
(13:55):
very well, and so as a result, damned the lake
and flooded the lake as was planned. It was in
the nineteen eighties when the water got really low and
there was a treasure hunter. His name was Chris Robinson,
and he made the discovery and he thought it looked like,
(14:17):
you know, Native American burial practices, and he documented his findings.
He sent his finding two Cherokee elders who confirmed that, yes,
that is consistent with the I think they said that
the burial of someone of high status, like a chieftain.
So yeah, that was that wasn't until the nineteen eighties.
(14:37):
And so they really are underwater. You can see them
when they're when the water gets low still, but it
just looks like a giant rock pile. So I don't
know if you've seen photos of Native American burial sites,
but that they're they're basically giant rock piles, and sometimes
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they can be confused with like farmers who have cleared
their fields. Yeah, but these would be you know, more substantial.
They would be like five foot high and you know,
really really wide diameter. And that's when, like, you know,
if anybody sees that, you should notify the proper authorities,
you know, to make sure that it's treated how it's
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supposed to be treated now with all the protection laws
and everything.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
But yep, yeah, like Lambon between the Lakes is really weird.
Have you ever been to leamontween the Lakes?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It is it's half intendency and half in Kentucky. They've
actually flooded two valleys for it. There's there's a Tennessee
River on one side and the Cumberland on the other,
and it made Lake Barkley and Kentucky Lake, so you
have I think it's the biggest inland peninsula in the
United States. But the weird thing about it is they
have all these trails that you can drive because there
(15:52):
is so much land there and you'll just see like
staircases to nowhere and like chimneys of houses that used
to be there. Because they ran so many people out,
and I was wondering if there's anything like that around
Lakeland the year, because I know it's manly just a lake,
not necessarily land. I don't know if any of the
islands or anything like that still had, you know, remnants
of where people live there.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, there are many small islands throughout the lake. The structures, though,
are there are buildings under the water. There are bridges
under the water, there's roads, there are chicken houses, and
they are under there. You can only see them with
like underwater sonar or special imaging because they're so far
(16:34):
down at this point, but we do know where some
of them are. And there are like really excellent photos
of just entire like an entire brick building and it
just looks like, you know, it's just waiting for somebody
to come back in and breathe, you know, breath life
into it. So it's really amazing. The thing that you
(16:55):
may see more is there are trees. There's underwater forests,
and they left a lot of those trees. And I
think the idea was that it could be a place
for fish. It was sort of like coral to kind
of protect the fish, be a place where the fish
could hide from boats or human activity. But on the
(17:20):
other side of that, it creates these underwater hazards and
that can be a reason, you know why Lake Lanier
is often attributed to be so dangerous because there are
so many underwater structures that people don't know about. You
can't see them. Boats run into them, swimmers get tangled
into them. It's hard for first responders to get to
(17:41):
them if they do get you know, in a tree
or something like that. So that is one thing that Yeah,
there's there's underwater forests, there's bridges, there are graves, lots
of structures underneath. Still there's a racetrack underneath. Yeah, the
racetrack you can see the risers were made out of
(18:05):
concrete and you can still see those when the water
gets low. I think the last time they were seeing
was maybe two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Wow. Yeah, that's and that's just eerie, you know itself.
And the thing that you know, there are still cemeteries
and churches and things and all this. You know, people
put all this energy into living there and having businesses,
and you know, some of them probably had multiple generations
of their families on these farms and things and then
just we run out of there and leave all that
(18:36):
behind with you exactly. And of course the government's not
paying them top dollar, you know, they're using imminet domain
and things like that for people that didn't want to leave.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Right, Yeah, exactly. A lot of the people just got
maybe enough value to basically break even, you know, once
they had left their you know, their piece of property.
And the government. I know, the government did relocate a
lot of structures, but back in that time, it was
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such a remote area where you didn't really have roads
that could relocate an entire building, right, and so if
it was in a place where you couldn't relocate it easily,
it was just left.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah. I looks him in some of the legends that
we talked about, the naive American stuff, but there's there's
one that's kind of pervasive that you kind of found everywhere.
Is the Lady of the Lake.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yes, the Lady of the Lake. Yes, that comes from
two women. Actually, this happened in nineteen fifty eight, Susie
Roberts and Delia May Parker Young. They were they went
out dancing. Delia made Parker Young was wearing a blue dress.
(19:51):
They went out dancing. They stopped at a gas station
they filled up for gas and then they were never
seen again after that. And then about eighteen months later
they found the remains of Susie Roberts, but the other
woman daily made Parker Young. She was never She wasn't
(20:11):
found for decades later, and when she was found, she
was finally identified. But witnesses say that she is seen
in spirit form around that area. It was about Highway
fifty three bridge, Dawsonville Highway Bridge and they see a
woman wearing a blue dress and she was wearing a
(20:33):
blue dress that night and they say when they see her,
she doesn't have hands, and when her remains were found,
she did not have hands.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Wow, that would be that would be something to drive
through there at night and see a lady walkerun no hands.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yes, And we tried to contact her once with the
spirit box, my sister and I, and we got some
interesting responses. I think we did get one response from
her where we asked her if she was at Pea
and if she had her hands, and she replied a
perfect universe. And so then we felt good about that,
like she's at keys yeah, and then we're in the
(21:11):
same location. Uh. I think we were talking to different
spirit and that one wasn't so friendly. And we asked
if they if they wanted us to tell their story,
and it was a firm no, and so we said, okay,
we're not gonna tell your story. We packed up and
we called it a night.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
But yeah, there's another thing that I found interesting because
we kind of have this legend Intendessee in some of
our big reservoir lakes in Nashville, actually a lake called
Percy Priest and another like called Old Hickory, and it's
monster catfish. And here they call them cat zilla and
(21:54):
there's divers that say they've seen them the side of
like volks facking bugs, and so people think of like lannear,
there's some of these catfish as well that maybe you know,
eating people or pulling people down.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Or or eating their hands. That was one of our
theories that why she didn't have her hands. But yeah,
that's that's whe they say wheelbar a sized or smart
car sized catfish.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Wow, that's the only place I've ever heard that until
now is, like I said, around Tennessee. That's one of
the Tennessee cryptids. If you look at Tennessee cryptids. So
it's pretty interesting have Katzilla. What other kind of things
have you all experienced with doing the tours and kind
of investigating The.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Main thing that I hear from visitors of like when
you're the absolute number one thing that I hear is
when I was in the water, I felt a hand.
I hear it all the time. I felt something. I
felt that someone, not just and it's easy to be like,
oh it was a fish. When buy you, people say
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you know what a hand feels like. Some people will
even say it grabbed my ankle, it tugged at my ankle,
it was a grip or or something like that. And
that is the number one thing that I hear from
people in the water. And we had one guest on
our tour on the boat and she said on the boat,
(23:18):
she said she felt something touch her. And she looked around,
and I know her and I know she wouldn't make
it up, but she said, I felt something touch me
and there was nobody around to touch me. So that
is definitely the number one thing that I hear from
locals and tourists alike.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, that would be weird. Yeah, well, I mean you
really don't think of I mean we think of ghosts
and habiting buildings and things not necessarily you know, you're
out on the lake having fun and you know something
that you can't see grabs you like that.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think it just comes from so many, so many
depths in that lake, and there are unrecovered bodies in
that lake. I believe that there's twenty seven known unrecovered bodies.
And then you have the people who were in cemeteries
and maybe their cemetery did not get removed before the
(24:13):
lake flooded, and so you know, it just creates this
this huge mystery, like why do people feel hands in
that water? You know? And then a lot of people say,
I didn't feel it wasn't ominous. I didn't feel like
somebody was trying to hurt me. I didn't feel like
somebody was trying to drown me. It just felt like
(24:34):
somebody was reaching out, maybe just to be like, hey,
like I'm down here, we're here, like, don't acknowledge us.
You know, there's the major history in that area, and
I found that not everybody's comfortable about talking, you know,
about those difficult parts of history, and maybe they just
(24:55):
want to be acknowledged and not forgotten.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Is there any reports like this somebody voices, are seeing
any other apparitions other than the lay of.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
The that is by far the most commonly reported apparition
is the Lady of the Lake. I've not heard any
reports of voices, but I do hear people say, you know,
I felt like I was being watched. I couldn't explain it,
and just a general vibe. And I always wondered why
(25:27):
I've never really heard very many witness accounts near the
Native American burial sites, because I would have thought there
would be more activity. But that's one that I don't
hear as often, even though you know, we know that
it's there, and we know how much turmoil happened in
this area was you know, this was the homelands of
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the Cherokee and several other tribes too, who were you know,
removed in the eighteen thirties. So I always wondered why
there wasn't more activity around my area. But it's just
not as common.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So on the Late Land near ghost tours, how do
you how does those work? And what can people expect
when they when they book.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
One, Well, we were going all the way through Halloween
and then we'll start back up again in April, and
they just you know, you just took a tour. You
show up to the dock and we get you on
the boat and we start. We start in the oscar
Oscarville area and then we go up north. Our turnaround
(26:35):
point is actually the old race track is the Gainesville
Motor Speedway. We sort of do a lap around the
track that's under the water. And then when we come back,
you know, and we stop at the Highway fifty three bridge,
and we stop at near the Cherokee Burial Mounds and
(26:56):
we talk about these other these other things that have
happened in between. And you know, a lot of people
don't believe in spirits or don't believe in ghosts or whatever,
but they are interested in history. And we talk a
lot about the history and the tour and it's just
(27:16):
it's nothing else. You're on a boat, you're on a lake,
and you hear some really fascinating stories and history and
it's I mean, it's just it's a great time. I
love every time we go out. It's just I just
I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, And you don't hear especially not ghost tours, but
not really too many history tours on both either. I mean,
unless you're like on the coast.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And there is just so much about this lake. Linear
project was just so massive in the nineteen fifties. Yeah,
and so we do kind of just talk about that,
you know, what it took to create this massive lake
and the building of the dam and just the whole
project was just an unbelievable scale and it really is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a massive, massive lake. And and you're
not for people just geography wise, you're not too far
outside of Atlanta, so.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know, not at all. In fact, I live I
actually live closer to Atlanta than I do to gain Still,
so it's you know, just drive up the Interstate eighty five.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
And also you have a new podcast that you're doing
kind of surrounding like Lindear and the Stories.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah. Actually, my sister Erica and I we post our
podcast together and it's called Spirits Uncorked under the Water.
Because there just seemed to be so much subject matter
about this about lake when you're and everything that we
we just we're like, we just let's get some microphones
(28:53):
and let's make a podcast about it. So you like
never went out of the stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, and we also we also drink wine on it,
so we talk about some wine because we're trying to
get better at, you know, learning about wine and how
to talk about wine. So we thought I was to
mix the two. We'll drink wine and talk about lakes
in here, and we're so interested in pretty much anything
per normal, and so we have a good time on
that podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
But yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of history there,
and I talk a lot about that on the show
that you know, within the paranormal world, eighty percent of
what we do is history for the most part, because
you have to understand the history to understand why a
place would be haunted, Yeah, and why you know, also
who you're trying to contact, you know. And also if
(29:43):
you look at that history, you can say, well, there
really is a history there for this place to be
haunted and for these things that are people are seeing
and experiencing, you know, like the Lady of the Lake. Okay,
well you know the history behind that. It's not just
some legend or folkal or you know story that's been
handed down. Is that there's actually a reason behind why
people would see this lady.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, exactly. And the other thing I think about too,
with places like Lake the Near with such emotional and
traumatic events that have happened in that area, and then
they get recorded into the concrete, you know, the concrete
that was made to make the view for dam or
(30:24):
the trees or the water, and then replay it over
and over. And then when you've got everything is touched
by water, which you know, I still like transmits the
energy everywhere. It just I mean to me, that makes
a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And like you said, especially with the
this turmoil of history, especially with the black community, and
there's a there's a lot more stories there as well,
with the night Riders and and kind of the the
KKK and things like that, and you know, black people,
black men especially getting accused crimes they didn't commit and
(31:01):
being hung and things like that. So yeah, there's tragic history,
like you said, a lot of people don't want to
talk about. But yeah, at the same time, as part
of our history, and we need to make sure that
we talk about it so we don't go.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Back there exactly. It's so important to just acknowledge the
historical facts of something that happened. I mean, yeah, it's yeah,
it's extremely important, and.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's important to keep those people's story alive as well.
They were just as important as white people or anybody else. Yeah,
if not maybe a little more important because they're so
marginalized and people don't want to talk about it, so
we need to make sure they're not forgotten.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Right And you know, although that we talk about ghost
stories and you know, things like that, and maybe people
don't believe in those things, but we still need to
be very careful that we're representing people's stories accurately and
respect and so we try very hard to always always
do that.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So if people want to listen to your podcast, where
can they find the podcast?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
You can listen to Spirits Uncorked anywhere you get your.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Podcasts anywhere there listening to this show, listen to the
Unseen Paranormal. You can get Spirits Uncorked under the water.
And they can go to linear ghostours dot com if
they want to check out more info and book a
tour exactly. And are you'll on social media as well, yes.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
And that's also under the handle linear Ghost Tours.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Thank you so much Elizabeth for coming on today.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Absolutely totally my pleasure. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, and another problem, I had to get down there
and take a tour out on the lake sometime. That'd
be fun.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, please let me know when you do.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah for sure. All right, everybody, y'all stay safe out there,
have a good day. We'll see you next time. Thank
you for listening to The Unseen Paranormal. Join me next
Wednesday with a brand new guest, and please rate, review, share,
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Speaker 3 (33:09):
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