October 30, 2024 • 57 mins
On this epsiode we welcome Geraldine Sutton Stith. She joins us on the show to share the story of her families horrifying experience on August 21, 1955. On this day her families lives would be changed forever. After hearing the story from her father for the first time at the age of 8, she has carried the family torch to share this incredible close encounter with the world.
Geraldine has written several books on the subject. Her families incredible experience would become famously known as "The Kelly Green Men" or "The Hopkinsville Goblin Incident"
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Geraldine has written several books on the subject. Her families incredible experience would become famously known as "The Kelly Green Men" or "The Hopkinsville Goblin Incident"
Geraldine Sutton Stith's links on the web
https://www.etsy.com/shop/aliensandgoblins?ref=shop-header-name&listing_id=801897470&from_page=listing
https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_27%3AGeraldine+Stith&s=relevancerank&text=Geraldine+Stith&ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/%22Geraldine%20Sutton%20Stith%22?Ntk=P_key_Contributor_List&Ns=P_Sales_Rank&Ntx=mode+matchall
Host Eric Freeman Sims and the show on the interwebs
https://www.facebook.com/TheKnightHouseKY
https://www.theknighthouseky.com/
https://www.facebook.com/eric.freeman.1048
https://www.instagram.com/theunseenparanormalpodcast/
https://twitter.com/TheUnseenPara
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7Nm2o2t_a1TlqDgqlpxxUg
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Join us as we dive into the history, hauntings, and
high strangers of the world to try to better understand
the paranormal. I will be your guide. I am paranormal
researcher and investigator Eric Freeman Simms. Welcome to the Unseen
Paranormal podcast. Hey everybody, welcome back to the Unseen Paranormal.
(00:27):
Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for
listening to the show. I hope you're enjoying our guests
this season. I am having a blast recording these shows
and sorry about last week. No episode last week, but
got a little busy at the Night House. We had
a tour bus load of people come to the house
and have dinner and I got to tell them the
history and the hauntings of the house and just had
a blast of that. So it's a very busy week
(00:47):
last week. And big thank you to Visit Hopkinsville for
helping make that happen. And miss Amy and missus Jenny
are amazing. I look forward to working with them a
lot more in the coming months and over the next years.
But if you have not checked out the Nighthouse yet,
it is a teen or year old hounted house that
me and my husband bought and we're not only opening
it to the paranormal, it is open for history tours
(01:09):
as well. I've been diving deep in the history of
the house and trying to find out all the fun
details of the Night family and the other families that
live there, and it has an extensive history. It was
built between eighteen fifteen and eighteen twenty. And so if
you love history or love the paranormal, go check out
our website, the nighthouse ky dot com and night you
spell k nijht or check us out on Facebook and
(01:30):
PLEAGUSEI follow, and you can also book an overnight or
three hour guide a ghost tour. And we'll have plenty
more events coming in the next couple of months that
we're planning on some cool stuff. So keep updated on
the website and on the Facebook page. And that's enough
the business today. I just want to tell you, what
you put out in the world is what you get back.
(01:51):
So if you treat people like shit, then you should
be treated like shit, and hopefully the universe and Carmen
comes back and treat you like shit and you get
what you put out. I very much believe that, and
I believe that if you put good things on the
world and you treat people well, yeah, shit will still happen,
but more opportunities will open for you, more networking opportunities
will open for you. And it's just good to be
(02:11):
a good person. So just don't be a cuting today.
How about that, you know, do something good for somebody else,
and let's get out of this headspace of being selfish
and self important and realize there are other people around
us that are just as important as we are. And
it doesn't take It doesn't mean you're less important. It
just means that we need to take care of each other.
We're all in this together. I don't give a shit
(02:32):
about the election. I don't care who you're voting for.
Don't give a shit. We're all in this together, and
we have to treat each other with respect and with kindness.
If not, shit goes wrong. And so please just do
something nice for somebody today. Say something nice to somebody.
It takes two seconds to smile at somebody and say
thank you or please, or you know, five seconds to
(02:53):
hold a door open for somebody and just be nice
and just put that out in the world and you
know it'll it'll come back up. It will come back
to you how you treat people. So anyway, that's my
rant for the day. Without any further ado, we have
Jerdine Sutton Stiff on the show today talking about the
Hobbinsville Kelly Greenman incident. And it was her family, her
(03:16):
dad and aunts and uncles and grandmother and a few
other family friends that went through this back in nineteen
fifty five. And she has written several books on the
story of what happened in that little country house in Kelly, Kentucky,
which is just a little bit outside of Hopkinsville, and
these little goblin men and they were actually silver. They
weren't even green, which is funny. I don't know I
(03:37):
got the Kelly Green men, but they were silver. But
she come on today to talk about her books and
tell us about tell us the story of the Hopbinsville
Goblin incident. And so sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Hey, Jerdine,
thank you for joining us on the Unteen Paranom today.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, thank you Eric for having me. I appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, I was. I was happy to meet you. Hopkinsville
just had a little festival for the sixty ninth anniversary
of the Kelly Hoppinsvil Goblin incident and yeah who set
up there selling your books?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And yeah, so kick off event for next year.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah, y'all used to do one in Kelly, didn't
you every year?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, Yes, we did one for I take about eleven years.
And then when COVID hit, it just killed it killed it. Yeah,
And I guess it was a lot of work. It
was hard, and I think once COVID hit and we
didn't do it for a couple of years, it was like, well,
you know, hey, let's quit.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot. I've put on a paranormal
expo and helped with several others in the It's a
lot to put on a big event like that.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It is, it really really is. People don't realize what
it is to put on something like that. It costs
so much money, yeah, so much time, you know, it is.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, it's one of those things too. You're hoping that,
like the Field of Dreams, if you build it, hopefully
they will come.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know, you don't know, you don't know, you don't
you don't. I mean, it's just a hope and wish game,
I guess, but try and see. I think it'll be
really good. In Hopkinsville because Hopkinsville has the money and
they can do more than Kelly could. Yeah, they have
places to where Kelly we headed outside every year, you know,
(05:26):
and that's a darned if you do and darned if
you don't, think too because of weather. Now, August is
always sweltering hot anyway, and then if you got a
little rain on top of that, it makes it worse.
And yeah, so you know, that was one of those
things where hopkins still has a convention center and a
sports plex and all kinds of stuff where they can
have it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah. So yeah, we're kind of talking about next year
is the seventh anniversary of the incident. Yeah, so there's
gonna be a big don't know a whole lot of
details yet because it's sill in the planning phase. Well,
there's gonna be a big to do convention, I believe.
I believe the name kicked around is Goblin con.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes, that's what we're kicking around. So we should be starting.
I know. The director that's doing all this was wanting
to wait till they had Summer Slam done in Hopkinsville,
which that was last weekend, so she can get started
on this and put all our efforts toward it. So
we should be getting together and finally finalizing the name,
(06:23):
and we're gonna have as mascot. We got to pick
out somebody to do an art thing for us, and
we got a lot planned. So yeah, yeah, it's gonna
be nice.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And just everybody to know out there, because a lot
of people I found since we bought because I bought
that two hundred year old house in Hopkinsville, and I
found that a lot of people don't know really where
Hopkinsville is. So just explain to everybody. It's not far
from Fort Campbell, Kentucky in Tennessee exactly, and Clarksville, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right right, it's about ten miles from Fort Campbell, I think,
and you know Clarksville is what just a little bit
down the road, you know, Clarksville is, and then nast
Fill and so you know, it's just really all right
there together.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, and only only a couple hours from Evansville, Indiana,
a couple hours from st.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's not far. I mean, it's I guess
you could say it's centrally located. Actually, you know, we've
got Paducah. Paducah's not that far, so you got all
these six cities around hopkins Field.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So yeah, yeah, and as far and like Louisville. Think
it's only like a three or four hour drive too,
is so yeah, it's kind of central located.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, we live up here in Brandenburg. We live about
forty five minutes from Louisville. Yeah, and you get to Hopkinsville.
It takes two hours and fifteen minutes from where we live.
So actually it's probably three hours to Louisville, you know,
from Hopkinsville.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, So everybody be on the lookout for that coming
next year for the seventieth anniversary, and that's on August.
It'll be around August twenty first, because that's the actual anniversary,
so I think.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So we've got to decide a date too. We haven't
really sided that because that's a big thing too, because
Summer Slam. That was what hurts the Kelly Festival too,
is Summer Slam was always be the weekend of the
Kelly Festival in hopkins Field. So you know, it kind
of did bad. They had a big rodeo and you know,
they really do the Summer Slam up. So I'm going
(08:17):
to try to get the director to change that weekend.
He may you know. Yeah, I'd rather change the weekend
and have a weekend open instead of a weekend where
we're gonna have to compete with something out right, right.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah. And also it's a perfect time a year because
football is just getting started, so people aren't that deep
into it. I planned my convention on the day that
that UT played Alabama, and so oh yeah, yeah, I
won't make that mistake over again.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Right right. You learn by doing, You learn by doing.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, and uh. Before we get into the story,
For people that don't know the story of the Kelley
Hofical incident, a lot of people have heard of like
hell You're in like western Kentucky. Of course you got
moss Man right across the river and that type of stuff.
And people have heard it because of the documentaries of
Hell You're and all the high strangers and weirdness in
Western Kentucky. Well, it's all of Kentucky that's weird, and
(09:11):
and here lately behind the two year old house, I've
learned that Eastern I mean Western Kentucky. I'm talking about
Eastern Kentucky. Sorry, backwards, Eastern Kentucky. Everybody knows is weird
with Hellyer and all that stuff. Western Kentucky is just
as weird, and Hopkinsville even has a page called keap
Hawkinsville Weird. That's a group on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So right right, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And the cool thing is Kentucky kind of leans into it.
They have a website called Kentucky after Dark that is
all about the holly places and weird places and stuff.
So it's just all of all of Kentucky. And I
don't know if it's the Cave system or what you know,
that goes all under Kentucky exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah. I just wonder too if that's part of it,
because you know, that's all Kentucky is cave. We all
live on the cave, you know. Yeah, so is it?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, with man in the cave system being the largest
in the world and they haven't even explored a portion
of it, you know exactly?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, you know. And you got the Beast at lbl right, yes,
right down the road, you know. So yeah, there's a
lot a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah. Lambltoon Lakes is just weird in general, not just
not just the dog men stuff, but Bigfoot and ghost
and all kind of weight and stuff just because of
the land with people being kicked out and things like that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So so everybody out there who doesn't who who's never
heard of the It's got many names. I just call
it the Kelly Hawksville incident or the Goblin incident. And
this happened to your family. You were you were not
born yet when this happened to happen in the fifties,
and a lot of people say the heyday of UFOs
because a few years before you had roswell kind of
(10:52):
kicked up, and then some other UFO sightings and stuff.
So what actually happened to your family on on that day?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay, of course you know. It was Kelly Kelly, Kentucky,
And it was in August, August twenty first, and it
was nineteen sixty five. And my grandmother, missus Glennie Langford,
had a small, like a twenty seven acre farm that
her and her husband had and she was a widow
he had passed, but she had three small children who
were twelve, ten and seven at the time. Also staying
(11:22):
with her on farm was my uncle Jay c and Auntileen,
and every once in a while Opi Baker, who was
Eileen's brother, would stay there with them. And this weekend
of the occurrence happened. It just so happened. My dad
and his wife at the time, Vera, and their friends
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Billy Ray and June Taylor, had come in from the
for the weekend. They were stationed in Evansville. My dad
and Billy Ray worked with a carnival. He'd worked with
a carnival for years and years, and since they were
so close to home, they decided to come in, you know,
visit his mom and just have some good old home
(12:04):
cooking for the weekend. You know, I'm sure carnival foods
that oh left for a while. So anyway they can
for the weekend. And so they've been there a couple
of days and so we go to Sunday evening when
this occurred. And what happened was Billy Ray went out
to the well to get water. They didn't have a
plumbing in the house, so he went out there to
(12:25):
get some cold water. Like I said, it was a
hot August. And as he's out there, he hears something odd.
He looks to where this noise is coming from and
looks up in the sky and there's this silver object
with all the colors of the rainbow flowing behind it.
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He didn't know what it was. It scared him. He
ran into the house, slamming the door behind him, and
everybody looks at him and know what's wrong with you?
And he tells him I just saw something. I don't
know what it is. There's something out here, and they
just totally you know, it could have been anything. And
my grandmother, Miss Glenny, told him, said to listen, maybe
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it was a shooting star and he told her, no,
I know what those look like. I've seen those. And
she said, well, we've bet we've been having meteor showers
all months. Maybe that's what it was. No, he said,
I know I've seen those too. It was neither of those.
So he kept on and kept on, and finally my
dad got out of age and then told said, let's
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go back out here and you tell me again what
you saw. So they go out to the Wealey points
toward the sky where he's seen it, and he tells
him again. My dad tries the reason with him again
about the shooting star and the meteor shower. No, no, no,
I know what those looked like. It was none of those.
And my dad tells him that ll ray, well, there's
nothing out here. Let's go back in the house enjoy
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our last evening of being here and I'll go back
to work tomorrow. So as they're heading towards the house,
of course the old hound dog comes running by him
with his tail tucked and ears down and runs under
the house. Well, my dad thought nothing of it. He thought, well,
they'd done got out here and got in trouble somehow,
and so just kept on walking toward the house and
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blowing the cold out. From back toward the woods. Comes
this little being that he's about three and a half
it tall. He has huge glowing eyes, a big round head,
huge ears, arms almost touching the ground, and he's floating
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on top of the ground. Well, they don't know what
this is. They go running the house, slam the door
behind him. Everybody stops fucking doing, looks at him and says,
what is wrong with you two? Of course they're telling
them there's something out here, we just saw something. Of
course they're thinking is well, Billy Ray doesne got lucky,
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which that was my dad's nickname, Lucky done got lucky
out there to go along with this little scheme to
try to scare the girls, because those were all young people.
Billy Ray's wife was either eighteen or nineteen years old.
You know, these were the people in their twenties, and
so that was their first thoughts. And they just kept
on and my grandmother told him, says, listen, you to
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I got to get these three kids to bed, and
you two aren't helping any And my dad told her, says, mom,
there's something out here. We saw it. Yeah, and she
knew it was really getting serious when one grabbed the
rifle and one grabbed the shotgun. One went to the
front door, one went to the back, and she thought, okay,
(15:43):
so she decides to go to the back door where
Billy Ray is. So she steps out there and uh,
squat's downside, isn't it. She says, Billy Ray, what what
sack was? Did you see? And he told her he said,
Miss Glennie, I don't know what it was, but I
hope it's something that you never see. And so she's okay.
(16:05):
So they sat there in silence, and you know, they
could hear him in the house talking and carrying on,
and it's not long before there comes one around the
corner of the house where my grandmother was setting. She
screams everybody. She must have scring pretty loud, because everybody
came or running to see what was going on, and
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I helped her up off the floor and she said,
I saw it. There is something out here. I just
saw it. About that time, I sot rang out in
the front of the house and they go running to
the front where mua, they see, you just saw one
through the window. So Billy ray Go's running out the
front door, and as he's standing there, there's this little
stoop over the front door and it's hand with these
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big claws talons on it breaches down and tries to
grab his hair. Well, my aunt I Len grabs him
and he yanks him back in the house. When my
dad i'ms out the front door, points toward where the
hand came from and there it sat. He suits it.
It rolls and floats away. Somebody screams, there's one in
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the tree. He turns round because they had these huge
maple trees in the front yard and there sat one
on a big limb. He suits it, It floats to
the ground, rolls away. By the time it's all said done,
they're suiting them away from the windows. They're trying to
keep them away from the doors. They suit them off
the back fence. I mean, they're just everywhere, and they
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they're not killing these things, they're getting up and coming back.
What are they gonna do well, The kids are hysterical,
the women are crying. June Billie Ray's Wife's abouts just
completely lose it. And my dad tells them, says, listen,
we're gonna go to Hopkinsville and we're gonna get help.
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He says, just try to get quiet, try to settle down.
It'll be all right, we'll get help. So they're all
setting there and he's, you know, trying to calm down.
All of a sudden, they hear this thing going across
the tin roofs. They can hear little like metal nails
going across the roof, and so this really sends everybody
(18:19):
into hysteria. My dad tries to calm him down again,
and he says, listen, we're gonna get out of here.
Just hold on. So they wait. It gets silent again.
They're not coming up to the doors and windows, so
he says, let's go. So they hit the trucks and
they head to hopkins Still, which hopkins Fill's at the
time was about seven miles from Hostfille. It's spread out
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now it's a little closer, but so they head to Hopkins.
Still they running to the police department in the middle
of the night. And you've got one little officer on duty.
This is nineteen fifty five. You didn't have a horde
of them back then.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Here you've got eleven people from the a of seven
to fifty running into the police station in the middle
of the night. He's trying to understand what's going on,
and they're all trying to tell him what just happened.
And he's like, you're trying to tell me there's little
men attacking your farm, and my dad told him. He says,
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you're not listening. You're not understanding what we're trying to
tell you. And he says, okay, just calm down, come down.
I know what to do. So he gets on the
phone and calls the chief. He calls Chief Russell Greenwald.
The Chief tells him, says, listen, just try to settle
them down. I'll be right there. In the process, also
calls Fort Campbell, army base, call the paper, the radio,
(19:44):
just whoever you can get some more police officers. Just
get everybody out there. He says, we're going to Kelly.
So they get everybody together and by the time, it's
all said, you've got this caravan of vehicles going out
to it's a bit to Kelly in the middle of
the night. Now, at the time, Kelly was a population
of maybe fifty maybe, and these were all sparse, little
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farm situated out there. So anyway, it's dark. They pull
up at the house. I mean it's pitch black dark.
They don't have lights out there. It feels funny, it
feels eerie. They get out and start looking around. Something
happened because there's shotgun and rifle cells all over the
(20:29):
ground outside, shotgun and rifle cells all inside the house.
Woodwork's been shot up, holds through the screens. Something's happened
to the family. But what Because they couldn't find anything.
The only thing they saw is when they pulled up
the car with some of the officers in it, saw
a glowing substance on the back fence where they had
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sought one. Of course, they ran to it first thing,
and when they'd go up to it, you couldn't see
it anymore. The only time you could see the substances
if he backed away from it. So that was kind
of odd, but that's the only thing they could find.
So Chief went to my grandmother. It's just missus, glennya.
I I'm so sorry, but there's nothing here. We can't
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do anything. Yeah, And so they all leave. My grandmother
tries to get the kids to bed. She finally does
and gets them settled down. She goes to her bed
and lies down, and my dad is setting aside her
in the rocking chair, which shot going to cross his lap.
I mean, they're physically and mentally exhausted by now. And
she's laying there in bed and she opens her eyes
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and along the hold she sees one in the window again,
and she's thinking, I'm just tired. I'm just tired, So
she closes her eyes back. She opens the second time,
and sure enough, the little sucker is still standing there.
And the third time she does it, she screams at
my dad that they're back. He gets up and they
start shooting again. And this goes on till daylight, when
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the sun comes up a league and the only thing
they can figure is the light must have hurt their
eyes because the eyes were so big, and that's the
only thing they could figure. So the sun was through
saving grace. My Dad's set everybody down and he tell
them he says, listen, nothing good could come of this.
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He says, I heard them last night. They were laughing
at us. Yea, So just forget this ever happened. Let's
just go on with our lives and just forget it.
So anyway, the men take off the town to do
something real quick, and the women stay there. And while
the men are gone, of course we got the invasion
of the people coming. Now. People are coming from everywhere
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because word has gotten out that something was in Kelly
the night before. So you had people camping out in
their yards. You had people walking through their house taking things,
walking in their yard, taking souvenirs. It was just terrible.
And my grandmother told my dad when he got back,
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he says, they're just taking everything we've got. Says, what
are we going to do? So my dad talked to
one of the police officers and told them what was
going on, and they came and ran them off. But
as soon as the police was gone, the people would
just come right back. Well, my dad, Billy Ray and
the girls had to go back to work. They had
to leave. So my grandmother was left there, you know,
(23:26):
with three kids, and uncle jac and Aileen old p
Baker was there once in a while, but if these
things came back, could they handle it. She was scared.
She didn't know what to do. The only thing, Sika
figure was just sell the farm and get the heck out,
and that's what she did. She selled the farm within
two weeks, moved her and the kids to Hopkinsville to
(23:48):
an apartment complex. Wow, so did jac and Aileen. And
the family that bought the house was a family members
and the kids, you know, they're older now of course
because it's been almost seventy years, but they would tell
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you that they didn't want to move to the house.
They were scared to death. Everybody in Kelly was scared. Yeah.
My mama and her first husband actually lived in Kelly
also and they had seven kids, and she said they
were scared to death because nobody knew what these things were.
And they believed the family wholeheartedly, because well, number one,
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my grandmother was a pillar of the community. You know,
she was a church going, god fearing a woman and
she went in life or life depended on it. Yeah,
and so people believed her, you know, they believed the family,
and so yeah, I mean the community was scared, of course,
everybody else was, and they just made fun of the situation.
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It would just swept under the rug and that was it.
You know. The military did come out the next morning.
They did it search grid. There was stuff flying over
you know, and all that was going on the next morning,
which didn't help matters any and that just made people
want to come even more. But that's that's what happened.
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That's the story.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, and you can imagine, I mean a little town
like that back then, there was nothing to do, so
any excitement like that, yeah, would.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Attract right, and anything too. You know, my grandmother and them,
you know, they were poor and they didn't go to
the movies and stuff like a lot of people did.
So they had no clue what a spaceman would have
been or anything like that. You know. That's one reason
why they were called goblins to begin with, because she
thought it was some kind of goblin or something that
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the devil had brought forth. Because like I said, she'd
been church that evening, she'd just gotten home from church
when all this happened. Yeah, and so that was her
first thought, these little beings or something the devil had
brought I.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Always like to point out with stories like this, they
had nothing to gain is anything. They lost a lot
because they would sell the farm and all that because
we were taking stuff, and like they lost a lot because.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Of it, right, and they're you know, their dignity hacks
lee because you know, people are cruel, the kids are cruel,
and you know, the kids probably just gave them heck
when they went back to school. And you know, because
they don't talk about it. You know, my aunt, two
uncles just don't talk about it. And my older uncle
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yed that they didn't talk about it anymore. But he's
gotten some of me. I think he's eighty one now,
so his mind is just not like it used to be.
And I think he's afraid the saying thing because he's
afraid he'll forget something. But the two smaller ones, it's
just it's just terrified them. My aunt Mary, like I said,
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she was seven and she's a little bitty thing now.
I can't imagine how tiny she was back then. These
things were probably bigger than she was. Yeah, so I
know it was horrified to them.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well also not to mention that, you know, they're shooting
at their own house. What would be the purpose of that,
you know exactly back then that stuff they would have
had to fix themselves. They didn't. It's not long. They're
gonna payly and fix it, right, you.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Know, and they couldn't afford that. You know, you don't
do stuff like that unless something's happening. And that's what
the chief thought too. You know, she's to believe them wholeheartedly.
He knew this family went through something. I mean, he's
seen it. Yeah, and you know he had his own
experience a couple of years before that, so you know,
he believed it. And they One of the police officers
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so heartily believed it too, because he had actually seen
something that he couldn't explain three different times. Plus he
got realize and this didn't come forward till later either
that During the day that day, there was lights and
sounds and stuff. People were seen all over the place.
During the night that night, there was lights going across
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the sky all the way from Clarksville, Tennessee. So it
was going across is going from Clarksville to Fort Campbell,
hitting Hopkinsville and then Kelly, so you know, it was
going across four different towns until it hit Kelly. Yeah,
and you know, people were seeing this, people were hearing
these things, so you know, even that evening, there was
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a couple of young boys that were out working on
a bicycle or something, and they actually saw the lights
and heard it, and then they heard the family carrying on.
You know, so things are being heard and seen that night,
but people didn't come forward to later about it because
they were afraid to because they saw how you know,
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ridiculed my family was you know, you know, made fun
of and everything. So people the state hush huss because
I'm not gonna be made that fun like they were,
you know, made fun of like they were right.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And you did not become aware of the story until
you were a little bit older, because, like I said,
you weren't born yet. You were long after and and
so your family really didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
No knew who moved. This was something that was kept
from us. We never heard about it. And the reason
we dig it here about it is by chance, I guess,
because it was a Sunday afternoon and this man and
woman come knocking at our door. I was eight years
old and wanted to talk to my dad and he said,
you know, I guess mom, and dad thought, well, I guess,
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you know, they need to hear it anyway, they're going
to find out sooner or later, yeah, and shut us down.
And that's when we heard the story, and it scared
me to death. And the haad thing about this whole
thing was, even at eight years old, I already loved
science fixing and I loved horror. Yeah, so that's really
ruined my science fixing thing because it scared me so
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bad at night that I would go around and shut
all the doors, winds and curtains and shades, and because
I was afraid these things are going to come back. Yeah,
and look at our windows and doors, right, So you
know this really scared me being eight years old. So yeah,
you know, even to this day, it's still scary. And
we're out at night, you know, I'm always looking at
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the sky, you know, I look out every night before
I go to bed. I always open up the curtains
to look out at the sky. Yeah, because you just
you don't know, but I made sure they're closed afterwards.
But yeah, it's scary because you know the reason it
was so scary is because my when my dad would
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talk about it, if you could get him to talk
about it, you could tell it was something that really
affected his life. Yeah, and the following weekend after we
heard the story, he took us out to Kelly to
show it's where it all happened. At the wells still there,
it's still there today. And then he took us the
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house is gone, but he took us out back to
where this craft had landed, and sure enough, it happened
in fifty five. This was like sixty nine. So he
takes us back there, and sure enough there is a
round place on the ground, perfectly round, where nothing is growing.
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And people that lived in Kelly back then have come
up to me that of course they're railed er now,
but they have come to me and told me that
when they were kids and teenagers, they would walk through
that circle going back through they're going hunting and stuff.
So there are people that remember that circle being on
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the ground. But you know, the proper protocol was never
taken for this. They never took samples, you know, they
never roped the area off. Of course, it was contaminated
by the time all the people started coming and going
over everything. But you know, proper protocol was never taken
with this situation. And like I said, it was just
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swept under the rug and they just wanted to get
rid of it.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, and the police kind of they kind of separated
your family and got the same story from different members,
so it wasn't like they could get their story together, right, And.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Bud led with he was a reporter back then. He
was the one that took them aside separately and did
the drawing, you know, the three drawings that everybody knows that. Yeah,
he's the one that did the drawing. You know, that's
another reason why people believe it so well. It's because
you know, here this guy took them one at a time,
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asked him, you know, describe this thing, and they're so similar. Yeah,
and they never changed their story. I mean it it
is what it is. It's a great story.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah. The thing about it is it's so credible, right,
this is what I was getting at, Like because like
you're saying, you know, they went separately and they all
come up with the same, very same sketch of what
these creatures look like, the same details and everything. You know,
we're exactly the same in individual stories. And you know, right,
people that make up stories, the story always changes because
they forget what they said, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And so exactly when you're telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
The story never changes. Because you're exactly and so it's
affected your family even up until today. I heard you
tell a story about your sister even ten years ago,
had some issues at a place that she worked.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, which really shocked me because this is back when
the Kelly Festival was starting up and somebody has found
out that she was a sutton that did people at
work started kidding there about and making fun of it,
and it really upset her over it, you know, you know,
and you would think that people today wouldn't do that,
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but they do, they do. You know, you gotta have
thick skin when you've got a story like this and
your family, let me tell you, because you have people
that don't know what a good word would be for
you know, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, I just think that you have a whole family
full of crazy people, you know, hallucinate or make up
stories or yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Right. This happened to an innocent family that had no
blew what was going on, what was happening to him? Yeah,
you know, and that was a great sphere with them
because they didn't know what the things were there for
in the first place. Why did they come to their house,
why did they pick their house? Would they come back
because they didn't get what they wanted. You know, that
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was a big spear. And I always tell people my
daddy was a small man, but he was fight a
bear for what he believed in. And there's two things
on this earth that frightened him more than anything. One
was tornadoes because he had been in one and tornadoes
terrified him. The other was the goblins. You know, nothing
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else ever secared to spend. Those two things frightened him to.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
The day that yeah. And I hate when people dismiss
it and try to say, well, it was you know
the big the big excellenation I always heard was owls, right,
And I think that is that's ridiculous because that's saying
I mean, you're talking about your family who hunted on
that land. They knew every animal, They probably knew every tree,
you know what I'm saying, Like because they on the
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they worked the wind.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Not only that, Eric, you got saying these are boys,
they could probably hunt by the time they could walk practically, right,
But they had a twelve gauge, a twenty gage and
a twenty two rifle. You telling me they're not hitting
these things? And if they were owls, there would be
owl pieces everywhere, any other kind of animal or even
human if it was a human out there doing it,
(35:40):
they were hitting them, yeah, and they'll be pieces of
them everywhere. You know. It blows my mind how people
don't put that in perspective, that these guys could shoot
and hit a target and anything they were hitting, they
were hitting these things because when they were hitting them,
their hanging. So they were hitting these things. And you know,
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it blots of time mind that people think it could
have been a monkey or an hour or even cats.
You know, I've heard the cat theory too. You think
cat no, right, right?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And also why would a whole group of animals like
that be trying to get in the house and attacking.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And like ry all night long?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, And you know, they were more connected to nature
than we are today for sure, working the land and
working outside and hunting for their food and and all that.
And so yeah. I think one of the things is
that for some people to believe in anything paranormal, whether
it be you know, creatures or ghosts or anything, I
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think it scares them. And because they want everything in
little boxes that make sense in their life, you know,
and anything outside of that, well, I can't handle that,
you know, so it just scares them, so they dismiss
it and trying to, you know, make excuses, and it
makes fun of people because of their own insecurities, right, and.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think too, you got to realize we live in
the Bible bell here, right, and sometimes it can get
really bad. For an example, one year, I was doing
the fair there in Hopkinsville and had a boot set up,
and I actually had these teenagers, I mean, these probably
fifteen sixteen seventeen year olds come up to my booth
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and tell me that I did not believe in God
because I believed in aliens.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Oh wow, I told him.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I said, that's not true. Yeah, now that's not true
at all. I wholeheartedly believe in God. You know, he's
the one that made these aliens out of here people.
You know, you may not want to believe that, but
he may supposed to have made everything. So you know,
but if you've got people that you set, like you said,
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live in a box, they do not want to believe
there is anything on this.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Earth side us.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
We are it. There is no other beings out here,
so you know, and they wholeheartedly believe that.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
And to me, I mean there's millions of planets, so
why you've been the only ones?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Oh my god, the solar system is massive and you've
got to be just Dince in the head. I'm sorry,
but Dnce in the head to believe we are the
only living beings. Yeah, you know, that's crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, yeah, has because I know with a lot of
people who especially have close encounters like that. Has your
family ever experiencing the other paranormal activity or any other
UFO weird?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, let me tell you something I just found out
here recently that my uncle Jay C actually made the
statement that if he'd ever seen anything like that again,
he would never mention it because of what they went
through with this story. And let me tell you my
uncle j C with a Korean war bet okay, and
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these little beg three and a half the tap beings
scared him more than what he went through in the war.
That's telling you something.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
There, because you learned of the story, of course from
your family, and you've kind of been tasked with being
the torch bearer to carry it on. What other kind
of experience have you had throughout your life as far
as paranormal.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh gosh, you got time because I've got one great
story that people just blows their mind in their This
back for mut Brandenburg. We lived in Princeton, Kentucky. We
had a little thirty two acre farm there. I want
to suit myself every day for giving it up. But anyway,
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we lived there several years, never had an issue what soever.
Now this was thirty acres. Most of it was woods, thick,
thick woods. I loved it that way. So we had
a little metaphysical shop in Princeton, and we actually had
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a tarot reader. We had a person that did reiki,
and we had a person that could talk to dead people.
Now I know people are probably laughing their heads off
right now. But anyway, one night, the little girl that
talked to dead people, we were good friends, and she
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come and spent the night with us since she was
in the guest room. And the next morning she told
me she said, I had an Indian kept coming to
my room last night. I said really, She said yes,
she said it kept coming to the room. So she said,
I finally got up and followed it. Oh it's a hymn.
Followed him and she said, I follow him into the
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dining area and we had a huge windows in this house, huge,
huge windows, and she says, I looked out the back
yard and there was like fifty Indians back there.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I'm like really, she says, yeah, Well I got cold
tails right now just thinking about this. And so we
get to the shop and I tell my king person
and my tarot person, you know what, details on what
just happened, Like, oh, okay, so anyway, it's not I
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don't know. A week or two later, my husband and
iron bed and our bedrooms on the top floor, and
we had this big deck out the back with French doors.
And like I said, our land was out there was
we'd have no neighbors and it was just thick woods.
And so at night I didn't shut the shades on
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the doors. We just left them open. You couldn't get
to the deck because there was no stairs or nothing
to it, so you couldn't get to the deck from
the ground and it was way high. So never worried us. Right, well,
we're laying there in bed and all of a sudden, bam,
something hits the glass. We're thinking, okay, maybe it was
a bat, you know, maybe or something. So my husband
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gets up and looks out there. There's nothing there, nothing
on the deck. Nothing on the ground. Okay, so he
gets back in bed. It ain't. Two minutes later, bam
hits again, and we're like, what the heck. So I'm
take my flashlight and I take it. Now. Look, I'm
expecting to see a big old bigfoot looking over our deck.
(42:36):
You know, well, nothing there. I don't see nothing laying
on the deck. Something in the flashlight. Now it ain't.
A couple of minutes later, bam, third time, something hits
that glass. I look at my husband. He looks at me,
and I'm like, uh uh no more. I just cover
my head up and I try to go to sleep
the rest of the night. Next morning, get up grows
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there and look there's nothing. Nothing, So we're thinking, what
the heck? You know, no, I'm nuts now, nothing on
the derreck, So we let it go. Well it ain't.
A week or two later, my husband has to get
up go to work. He's usually left at six o'clock
in the morning, and I'll get up with him get him.
Often I go lay that down because we didn't open
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up the shop for twelve No physical people don't come
out till later in the day. So I'll go back
to bed and usually sleep for another hour hour and
a half. When we have cats, some of my cats
jumped into bed with me. I'm laying there and all
the sudden, boy, there is a tap tap on that
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glass on the French door. I look, there ain't nothing there.
The cats, their ears are all standing straight up. They're
all looking toward that door, and they're not taking their
eyes off of it. I'm like, uh, I get my
butt up, I get ready and I head on down
to shop. I get out of there. So when my
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people come in that day, I tell them what happens,
and I tell them about the couple of weeks before,
about the something getting hit against the glass. Then they're like, oh,
we need to come out and look at your land
and check it out, see what's going on. So they
come out, all three of them. They go walking around
and they're sensing this stuff and saying that, well, your
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land is angry. And one of them says it's something
to do with fire. And the little girl sees the
dead people see keeps seeing a woman. So anyway, they
tell me, says, well, we need to come out here
and bless your land. We need to settle your land
back down. It's gotten angry for some reason. I said, okay,
you can I here, and you just want to I
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don't care. So anyway, they come out during the weekend
and they bring their saved and all the other little stuff,
and that they actually give what I mean, they do
the whole nine yards on this and if you know what,
we didn't have any more problems after that.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Well, I find out a few days after all this
we do all this ceremony stuff, the trail of tears
actually went through that land. And I'm like, oh, well,
this makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
And on top of that, when we bought the land,
of course we walked it. There sees huge, three huge
mounds back in the woods, perfectly round, beautiful mounds, you know,
grasses growing on fig trees growing out of them, I mean,
(45:38):
and it got us wandering. Could these be burial mounds?
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You know. And after I found out a trail of
tears went through it, I mean, it all makes perfect sense.
But like I said, after they came out did that
little ceremony, we had no more problems. Now, ain't that off?
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah? If everybody doesn't know, there's actually a Tiller Tears
Park in Hopkinsville, And so yeah, it very much ran
through that.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Whole area, Yes, it did. It ran through Princeton. Yeah,
they have a little monument down at the park in
Princeton where it ran through there. And apparently it came
out our area too and walked through there. So you know,
it made perfect sense, you know, her seeing the Indians. Yeah,
all of it made perfect sense after we found out,
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so amazing stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, so your your grandmother sold off the farm. Whatever
happened to me to all the land.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Well, it's actually I think let me think, there's like
four different families. I mean, you know they sold them
off in you know little lots. Yeah, the part that
the well is on and the house was on and
where the landing happened. Actually it is owned by the
same person. They bought that whole strip down through there,
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so one person owns all that happened on it, and
the other three sections are three sections where other families.
But they won't let you on it. You can't get
back there. They just had so many people harassed them
over the years, banging on their door in the middle
of the night, want to see where the aliens landed,
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you know, So they just they just don't let anybody
back there anymore or ever really ever. Yeah, we've been
lucky enough to get back there a couple of times.
They've let us if that's it.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah, I could see I could see people trespassing and
sneaking on the property, and it's oh yeah, yeah, we've
we've had issues with that, just buying the two year
old house. Yeah. People, we've had to put a sign,
a big sign out on the driveway when we're not
there that blocks the driveway because yeah, we people pull
up there and get out and look around the house
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and like, you know, privately owned, this is not public property,
like we're going to allow people in, you know for
history and normal stuff. But you know, you just got
to wait right right, So I couldn't even imagine with
a story like that and the you know, the legend
like that of people going on to the property and
bugging them. I don't know what it is with people.
They think just because the stories they hear, stories that
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they have permission to do things like that.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Right, Well, they've let all that into fat behind the
house grow up. I mean it's just full of trees
and brush and really really sick. Yeah, so you really
can't get back in. You can get back in there,
and they'd never see it because they can't see you
from their house because of all the woods. But you know,
you don't know really where the area is unless you
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go back in there and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah. So, I know, in the past few years, the
only person that I've seen that's done really kind of
an in depth, die a deep dive into it was
Ben Hanson when he had his show.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah we did that show. Yeah, yeah, we snuck back
there that day. We sure did. He figured out where
it was. Yeah, sure enough. There's an area back there
that stuff still isn't growing very well as well as
the rest of the forest. And you know, he took
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a Geiger counter and he was able to get reading
and hell detector and you know, so it was kind
of exciting.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, I'm surprised because like a lot of those cases,
the military came back and investigated when when Jay Allen Heineck,
the scientist, they had him investgating a lot of those
I'm surprised that that that wasn't one of the things
they had him investigate. He's the one that come up
with the swamp gas explanation for the government, and yeah,
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I'm surprised he didn't. That was with it being such
a dominant experience, you know, they didn't put more investigation
into it.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
You know, I've heard two different stories. I've heard he
didn't like it, and I've heard that he did like
the stories. So, you know, I'm not really sure what
he believed or how he believed.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, he came out later and said that he all
the things he had seen, he believed, but for the
government report he had to put things like swamp gas
and in with the balloons and stuff. You know, it's
the gas light people like our government's done with the
UFO staff.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
They didn't want him to say it was UFOs. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that it was something from another world, right, No, we
can't have aliens here, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah. So you've written a few books about the incident
and about UFOs and that subject, and they're available on Amazon,
I know, Yes, you can.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Get them if you get them through my Etsy shop.
I think they're seaper actually, and I will sign them
for you also.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, yeah, I bought a copy. I bought a copy
and you signed it for me. Yes, yes, but yeah,
the Kelly green Men alien legacy revisited. You have alien
legacy in the world.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yes, I've actually talked to my husband and we're actually
I'm actually thinking about once I shell out of all
these books I've got Right now, I'm thinking about doing
one book and just getting rid of the two. Yeah,
and just redoing the whole thing and just making one
book instead. Like I said, having the two, I think
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it'd be much better and I put more into them
because I know some more stuff now.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
You know, just start again with another book. But that'll
be a while yet, Yeah, because I gotta get myself
down and make myself right, write it and everything. You
got to be in the moods, right, Yeah, Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I've been working on a book for a year and
a half now, almost two years, and yeah, it's about
half done. Yeah, it's about time. I have a d
D two So that doesn't help. You had to force
myself sit on it, right. But uh, I saw where
you You did a convention earlier this year in Texas.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
I believe, Oh that was the Moufon Symposium.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah. I want to Yeah, I hope that you have
those printed goblins at the I think convention next year.
I want to.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yes, yes, we are going to yeah, yeah, people, oh
less we love them myself. I'm constantly off my epsy.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Shop and I had to go order one.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
They're cute, it could be, but it took us a
while to perfect about the thing and learn how to
run a three D printer, but we finally got it down.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, and we're all the only people that have all three.
We have all three of the drawings.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I was able to find somebody that could do it
a file. It's called STL file, and we were able
to get that done so we can do all three.
So yeah, we're pretty proud of them.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go order. I'm gonna have
to go order anyone. I love things like that, and
just to put and putting my office on the bookshelves
and stuff. But uh, I'll put all your links in
the in the show notes so people can check out
your books and your and your Etsie shop. And well
you said if you if you order the books from
Etsie her eie shop, she gets all the money. None
of it goes to you know, corporate Amazon, which is
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making plenty of money.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
But right, yeah, and don't take too believe me.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, but you can also also get it personalized and signed.
The Bud Geraldine exactly. And and you got anything coming
up for We got spooky season coming up. You've got
any other conventions or anything you're doing this year?
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, I'm doing Cumberland con in October. I've got another one.
I forget what it's called. I'm doing Louisville terrible. I
forgot what it's called in Louisville. I've got something I'm
doing in Russell. I'm I've always I'm always getting called
to do stuff for libraries and centers and stuff. I
even do nursing homes. Believe it or not, Yes, I
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think it's kind of sweet. I mean, you'd be amazed.
It's the little little people at nursing homes that love
to be talked to and hear stuff like this. You know,
I've done schools based. Let if somebody ask me, I
will do it for them.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
That's just me.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
I just got asked the other day. Somebody called me
to do one in Madisonville, which I've done Madisonville three
times already, but they want me to come back to
another one. People love the story, they just love to
hear it, and they'll come back and come back and
come back. And you know, I don't how many conventions
I've done where people have come up to me and said,
you're the reason I'm at this convention. I'm like, oh,
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my goodness. That makes you feel so good when people
tell you that.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to do some stuff like that
at the Nighthouse. I'd love to have you out there
and yeah, people come.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
I would love to come there. I would love to
come to that.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah that out. Yeah, I would definitely be seeing you
with the Goblin Con stuff because I think she wants
me to be part of that as well, to help
plant planet and all that stuff. So right, but yeah,
I'd love to have you out and people stay tuned
for that, and also stay tuned for all the info
for the Goblin Con stuff next year because that's gonna
be really fun convention in Hopkinshill, all about UFOs and
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the paranormal and uh I will definitely be there as well.
So but thank you, thank you for coming on today,
Jodie and talking about your family story and it's I've
been fascinated by it for a long time, so it's
awesome we get to talk to you about it.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Well, thank you, And like I say, any day you
could talk about the green Man is a good day,
right right, right.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
All right, everybody, y'all stay safe out there, have a
good day. We'll see you next time. Thank you for
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Join us as we dive into the history, hauntings, and
high strangers of the world to try to better understand
the paranormal. I will be your guide. I am paranormal
researcher and investigator Eric Freeman Simms. Welcome to the Unseen
Paranormal podcast. Hey everybody, welcome back to the Unseen Paranormal.
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Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for
listening to the show. I hope you're enjoying our guests
this season. I am having a blast recording these shows
and sorry about last week. No episode last week, but
got a little busy at the Night House. We had
a tour bus load of people come to the house
and have dinner and I got to tell them the
history and the hauntings of the house and just had
a blast of that. So it's a very busy week
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last week. And big thank you to Visit Hopkinsville for
helping make that happen. And miss Amy and missus Jenny
are amazing. I look forward to working with them a
lot more in the coming months and over the next years.
But if you have not checked out the Nighthouse yet,
it is a teen or year old hounted house that
me and my husband bought and we're not only opening
it to the paranormal, it is open for history tours
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as well. I've been diving deep in the history of
the house and trying to find out all the fun
details of the Night family and the other families that
live there, and it has an extensive history. It was
built between eighteen fifteen and eighteen twenty. And so if
you love history or love the paranormal, go check out
our website, the nighthouse ky dot com and night you
spell k nijht or check us out on Facebook and
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PLEAGUSEI follow, and you can also book an overnight or
three hour guide a ghost tour. And we'll have plenty
more events coming in the next couple of months that
we're planning on some cool stuff. So keep updated on
the website and on the Facebook page. And that's enough
the business today. I just want to tell you, what
you put out in the world is what you get back.
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So if you treat people like shit, then you should
be treated like shit, and hopefully the universe and Carmen
comes back and treat you like shit and you get
what you put out. I very much believe that, and
I believe that if you put good things on the
world and you treat people well, yeah, shit will still happen,
but more opportunities will open for you, more networking opportunities
will open for you. And it's just good to be
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a good person. So just don't be a cuting today.
How about that, you know, do something good for somebody else,
and let's get out of this headspace of being selfish
and self important and realize there are other people around
us that are just as important as we are. And
it doesn't take It doesn't mean you're less important. It
just means that we need to take care of each other.
We're all in this together. I don't give a shit
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about the election. I don't care who you're voting for.
Don't give a shit. We're all in this together, and
we have to treat each other with respect and with kindness.
If not, shit goes wrong. And so please just do
something nice for somebody today. Say something nice to somebody.
It takes two seconds to smile at somebody and say
thank you or please, or you know, five seconds to
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hold a door open for somebody and just be nice
and just put that out in the world and you
know it'll it'll come back up. It will come back
to you how you treat people. So anyway, that's my
rant for the day. Without any further ado, we have
Jerdine Sutton Stiff on the show today talking about the
Hobbinsville Kelly Greenman incident. And it was her family, her
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dad and aunts and uncles and grandmother and a few
other family friends that went through this back in nineteen
fifty five. And she has written several books on the
story of what happened in that little country house in Kelly, Kentucky,
which is just a little bit outside of Hopkinsville, and
these little goblin men and they were actually silver. They
weren't even green, which is funny. I don't know I
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got the Kelly Green men, but they were silver. But
she come on today to talk about her books and
tell us about tell us the story of the Hopbinsville
Goblin incident. And so sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Hey, Jerdine,
thank you for joining us on the Unteen Paranom today.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, thank you Eric for having me. I appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, I was. I was happy to meet you. Hopkinsville
just had a little festival for the sixty ninth anniversary
of the Kelly Hoppinsvil Goblin incident and yeah who set
up there selling your books?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And yeah, so kick off event for next year.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah, y'all used to do one in Kelly, didn't
you every year?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, Yes, we did one for I take about eleven years.
And then when COVID hit, it just killed it killed it. Yeah,
And I guess it was a lot of work. It
was hard, and I think once COVID hit and we
didn't do it for a couple of years, it was like, well,
you know, hey, let's quit.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot. I've put on a paranormal
expo and helped with several others in the It's a
lot to put on a big event like that.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It is, it really really is. People don't realize what
it is to put on something like that. It costs
so much money, yeah, so much time, you know, it is.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, it's one of those things too. You're hoping that,
like the Field of Dreams, if you build it, hopefully
they will come.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know, you don't know, you don't know, you don't
you don't. I mean, it's just a hope and wish game,
I guess, but try and see. I think it'll be
really good. In Hopkinsville because Hopkinsville has the money and
they can do more than Kelly could. Yeah, they have
places to where Kelly we headed outside every year, you know,
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and that's a darned if you do and darned if
you don't, think too because of weather. Now, August is
always sweltering hot anyway, and then if you got a
little rain on top of that, it makes it worse.
And yeah, so you know, that was one of those
things where hopkins still has a convention center and a
sports plex and all kinds of stuff where they can
have it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah. So yeah, we're kind of talking about next year
is the seventh anniversary of the incident. Yeah, so there's
gonna be a big don't know a whole lot of
details yet because it's sill in the planning phase. Well,
there's gonna be a big to do convention, I believe.
I believe the name kicked around is Goblin con.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes, that's what we're kicking around. So we should be starting.
I know. The director that's doing all this was wanting
to wait till they had Summer Slam done in Hopkinsville,
which that was last weekend, so she can get started
on this and put all our efforts toward it. So
we should be getting together and finally finalizing the name,
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and we're gonna have as mascot. We got to pick
out somebody to do an art thing for us, and
we got a lot planned. So yeah, yeah, it's gonna
be nice.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And just everybody to know out there, because a lot
of people I found since we bought because I bought
that two hundred year old house in Hopkinsville, and I
found that a lot of people don't know really where
Hopkinsville is. So just explain to everybody. It's not far
from Fort Campbell, Kentucky in Tennessee exactly, and Clarksville, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right right, it's about ten miles from Fort Campbell, I think,
and you know Clarksville is what just a little bit
down the road, you know, Clarksville is, and then nast
Fill and so you know, it's just really all right
there together.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, and only only a couple hours from Evansville, Indiana,
a couple hours from st.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's not far. I mean, it's I guess
you could say it's centrally located. Actually, you know, we've
got Paducah. Paducah's not that far, so you got all
these six cities around hopkins Field.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So yeah, yeah, and as far and like Louisville. Think
it's only like a three or four hour drive too,
is so yeah, it's kind of central located.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, we live up here in Brandenburg. We live about
forty five minutes from Louisville. Yeah, and you get to Hopkinsville.
It takes two hours and fifteen minutes from where we live.
So actually it's probably three hours to Louisville, you know,
from Hopkinsville.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, So everybody be on the lookout for that coming
next year for the seventieth anniversary, and that's on August.
It'll be around August twenty first, because that's the actual anniversary,
so I think.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So we've got to decide a date too. We haven't
really sided that because that's a big thing too, because
Summer Slam. That was what hurts the Kelly Festival too,
is Summer Slam was always be the weekend of the
Kelly Festival in hopkins Field. So you know, it kind
of did bad. They had a big rodeo and you know,
they really do the Summer Slam up. So I'm going
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to try to get the director to change that weekend.
He may you know. Yeah, I'd rather change the weekend
and have a weekend open instead of a weekend where
we're gonna have to compete with something out right, right.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah. And also it's a perfect time a year because
football is just getting started, so people aren't that deep
into it. I planned my convention on the day that
that UT played Alabama, and so oh yeah, yeah, I
won't make that mistake over again.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Right right. You learn by doing, You learn by doing.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, and uh. Before we get into the story,
For people that don't know the story of the Kelley
Hofical incident, a lot of people have heard of like
hell You're in like western Kentucky. Of course you got
moss Man right across the river and that type of stuff.
And people have heard it because of the documentaries of
Hell You're and all the high strangers and weirdness in
Western Kentucky. Well, it's all of Kentucky that's weird, and
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and here lately behind the two year old house, I've
learned that Eastern I mean Western Kentucky. I'm talking about
Eastern Kentucky. Sorry, backwards, Eastern Kentucky. Everybody knows is weird
with Hellyer and all that stuff. Western Kentucky is just
as weird, and Hopkinsville even has a page called keap
Hawkinsville Weird. That's a group on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So right right, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And the cool thing is Kentucky kind of leans into it.
They have a website called Kentucky after Dark that is
all about the holly places and weird places and stuff.
So it's just all of all of Kentucky. And I
don't know if it's the Cave system or what you know,
that goes all under Kentucky exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah. I just wonder too if that's part of it,
because you know, that's all Kentucky is cave. We all
live on the cave, you know. Yeah, so is it?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, with man in the cave system being the largest
in the world and they haven't even explored a portion
of it, you know exactly?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, you know. And you got the Beast at lbl right, yes,
right down the road, you know. So yeah, there's a
lot a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah. Lambltoon Lakes is just weird in general, not just
not just the dog men stuff, but Bigfoot and ghost
and all kind of weight and stuff just because of
the land with people being kicked out and things like that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So so everybody out there who doesn't who who's never
heard of the It's got many names. I just call
it the Kelly Hawksville incident or the Goblin incident. And
this happened to your family. You were you were not
born yet when this happened to happen in the fifties,
and a lot of people say the heyday of UFOs
because a few years before you had roswell kind of
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kicked up, and then some other UFO sightings and stuff.
So what actually happened to your family on on that day?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay, of course you know. It was Kelly Kelly, Kentucky,
And it was in August, August twenty first, and it
was nineteen sixty five. And my grandmother, missus Glennie Langford,
had a small, like a twenty seven acre farm that
her and her husband had and she was a widow
he had passed, but she had three small children who
were twelve, ten and seven at the time. Also staying
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with her on farm was my uncle Jay c and Auntileen,
and every once in a while Opi Baker, who was
Eileen's brother, would stay there with them. And this weekend
of the occurrence happened. It just so happened. My dad
and his wife at the time, Vera, and their friends
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Billy Ray and June Taylor, had come in from the
for the weekend. They were stationed in Evansville. My dad
and Billy Ray worked with a carnival. He'd worked with
a carnival for years and years, and since they were
so close to home, they decided to come in, you know,
visit his mom and just have some good old home
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cooking for the weekend. You know, I'm sure carnival foods
that oh left for a while. So anyway they can
for the weekend. And so they've been there a couple
of days and so we go to Sunday evening when
this occurred. And what happened was Billy Ray went out
to the well to get water. They didn't have a
plumbing in the house, so he went out there to
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get some cold water. Like I said, it was a
hot August. And as he's out there, he hears something odd.
He looks to where this noise is coming from and
looks up in the sky and there's this silver object
with all the colors of the rainbow flowing behind it.
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He didn't know what it was. It scared him. He
ran into the house, slamming the door behind him, and
everybody looks at him and know what's wrong with you?
And he tells him I just saw something. I don't
know what it is. There's something out here, and they
just totally you know, it could have been anything. And
my grandmother, Miss Glenny, told him, said to listen, maybe
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it was a shooting star and he told her, no,
I know what those look like. I've seen those. And
she said, well, we've bet we've been having meteor showers
all months. Maybe that's what it was. No, he said,
I know I've seen those too. It was neither of those.
So he kept on and kept on, and finally my
dad got out of age and then told said, let's
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go back out here and you tell me again what
you saw. So they go out to the Wealey points
toward the sky where he's seen it, and he tells
him again. My dad tries the reason with him again
about the shooting star and the meteor shower. No, no, no,
I know what those looked like. It was none of those.
And my dad tells him that ll ray, well, there's
nothing out here. Let's go back in the house enjoy
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our last evening of being here and I'll go back
to work tomorrow. So as they're heading towards the house,
of course the old hound dog comes running by him
with his tail tucked and ears down and runs under
the house. Well, my dad thought nothing of it. He thought, well,
they'd done got out here and got in trouble somehow,
and so just kept on walking toward the house and
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blowing the cold out. From back toward the woods. Comes
this little being that he's about three and a half
it tall. He has huge glowing eyes, a big round head,
huge ears, arms almost touching the ground, and he's floating
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on top of the ground. Well, they don't know what
this is. They go running the house, slam the door
behind him. Everybody stops fucking doing, looks at him and says,
what is wrong with you two? Of course they're telling
them there's something out here, we just saw something. Of
course they're thinking is well, Billy Ray doesne got lucky,
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which that was my dad's nickname, Lucky done got lucky
out there to go along with this little scheme to
try to scare the girls, because those were all young people.
Billy Ray's wife was either eighteen or nineteen years old.
You know, these were the people in their twenties, and
so that was their first thoughts. And they just kept
on and my grandmother told him, says, listen, you to
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I got to get these three kids to bed, and
you two aren't helping any And my dad told her, says, mom,
there's something out here. We saw it. Yeah, and she
knew it was really getting serious when one grabbed the
rifle and one grabbed the shotgun. One went to the
front door, one went to the back, and she thought, okay,
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so she decides to go to the back door where
Billy Ray is. So she steps out there and uh,
squat's downside, isn't it. She says, Billy Ray, what what
sack was? Did you see? And he told her he said,
Miss Glennie, I don't know what it was, but I
hope it's something that you never see. And so she's okay.
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So they sat there in silence, and you know, they
could hear him in the house talking and carrying on,
and it's not long before there comes one around the
corner of the house where my grandmother was setting. She
screams everybody. She must have scring pretty loud, because everybody
came or running to see what was going on, and
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I helped her up off the floor and she said,
I saw it. There is something out here. I just
saw it. About that time, I sot rang out in
the front of the house and they go running to
the front where mua, they see, you just saw one
through the window. So Billy ray Go's running out the
front door, and as he's standing there, there's this little
stoop over the front door and it's hand with these
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big claws talons on it breaches down and tries to
grab his hair. Well, my aunt I Len grabs him
and he yanks him back in the house. When my
dad i'ms out the front door, points toward where the
hand came from and there it sat. He suits it.
It rolls and floats away. Somebody screams, there's one in
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the tree. He turns round because they had these huge
maple trees in the front yard and there sat one
on a big limb. He suits it, It floats to
the ground, rolls away. By the time it's all said done,
they're suiting them away from the windows. They're trying to
keep them away from the doors. They suit them off
the back fence. I mean, they're just everywhere, and they
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they're not killing these things, they're getting up and coming back.
What are they gonna do well, The kids are hysterical,
the women are crying. June Billie Ray's Wife's abouts just
completely lose it. And my dad tells them, says, listen,
we're gonna go to Hopkinsville and we're gonna get help.
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He says, just try to get quiet, try to settle down.
It'll be all right, we'll get help. So they're all
setting there and he's, you know, trying to calm down.
All of a sudden, they hear this thing going across
the tin roofs. They can hear little like metal nails
going across the roof, and so this really sends everybody
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into hysteria. My dad tries to calm him down again,
and he says, listen, we're gonna get out of here.
Just hold on. So they wait. It gets silent again.
They're not coming up to the doors and windows, so
he says, let's go. So they hit the trucks and
they head to hopkins Still, which hopkins Fill's at the
time was about seven miles from Hostfille. It's spread out
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now it's a little closer, but so they head to Hopkins.
Still they running to the police department in the middle
of the night. And you've got one little officer on duty.
This is nineteen fifty five. You didn't have a horde
of them back then.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Here you've got eleven people from the a of seven
to fifty running into the police station in the middle
of the night. He's trying to understand what's going on,
and they're all trying to tell him what just happened.
And he's like, you're trying to tell me there's little
men attacking your farm, and my dad told him. He says,
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you're not listening. You're not understanding what we're trying to
tell you. And he says, okay, just calm down, come down.
I know what to do. So he gets on the
phone and calls the chief. He calls Chief Russell Greenwald.
The Chief tells him, says, listen, just try to settle
them down. I'll be right there. In the process, also
calls Fort Campbell, army base, call the paper, the radio,
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just whoever you can get some more police officers. Just
get everybody out there. He says, we're going to Kelly.
So they get everybody together and by the time, it's
all said, you've got this caravan of vehicles going out
to it's a bit to Kelly in the middle of
the night. Now, at the time, Kelly was a population
of maybe fifty maybe, and these were all sparse, little
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farm situated out there. So anyway, it's dark. They pull
up at the house. I mean it's pitch black dark.
They don't have lights out there. It feels funny, it
feels eerie. They get out and start looking around. Something
happened because there's shotgun and rifle cells all over the
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ground outside, shotgun and rifle cells all inside the house.
Woodwork's been shot up, holds through the screens. Something's happened
to the family. But what Because they couldn't find anything.
The only thing they saw is when they pulled up
the car with some of the officers in it, saw
a glowing substance on the back fence where they had
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sought one. Of course, they ran to it first thing,
and when they'd go up to it, you couldn't see
it anymore. The only time you could see the substances
if he backed away from it. So that was kind
of odd, but that's the only thing they could find.
So Chief went to my grandmother. It's just missus, glennya.
I I'm so sorry, but there's nothing here. We can't
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do anything. Yeah, And so they all leave. My grandmother
tries to get the kids to bed. She finally does
and gets them settled down. She goes to her bed
and lies down, and my dad is setting aside her
in the rocking chair, which shot going to cross his lap.
I mean, they're physically and mentally exhausted by now. And
she's laying there in bed and she opens her eyes
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and along the hold she sees one in the window again,
and she's thinking, I'm just tired. I'm just tired, So
she closes her eyes back. She opens the second time,
and sure enough, the little sucker is still standing there.
And the third time she does it, she screams at
my dad that they're back. He gets up and they
start shooting again. And this goes on till daylight, when
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the sun comes up a league and the only thing
they can figure is the light must have hurt their
eyes because the eyes were so big, and that's the
only thing they could figure. So the sun was through
saving grace. My Dad's set everybody down and he tell
them he says, listen, nothing good could come of this.
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He says, I heard them last night. They were laughing
at us. Yea, So just forget this ever happened. Let's
just go on with our lives and just forget it.
So anyway, the men take off the town to do
something real quick, and the women stay there. And while
the men are gone, of course we got the invasion
of the people coming. Now. People are coming from everywhere
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because word has gotten out that something was in Kelly
the night before. So you had people camping out in
their yards. You had people walking through their house taking things,
walking in their yard, taking souvenirs. It was just terrible.
And my grandmother told my dad when he got back,
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he says, they're just taking everything we've got. Says, what
are we going to do? So my dad talked to
one of the police officers and told them what was
going on, and they came and ran them off. But
as soon as the police was gone, the people would
just come right back. Well, my dad, Billy Ray and
the girls had to go back to work. They had
to leave. So my grandmother was left there, you know,
(23:26):
with three kids, and uncle jac and Aileen old p
Baker was there once in a while, but if these
things came back, could they handle it. She was scared.
She didn't know what to do. The only thing, Sika
figure was just sell the farm and get the heck out,
and that's what she did. She selled the farm within
two weeks, moved her and the kids to Hopkinsville to
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an apartment complex. Wow, so did jac and Aileen. And
the family that bought the house was a family members
and the kids, you know, they're older now of course
because it's been almost seventy years, but they would tell
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you that they didn't want to move to the house.
They were scared to death. Everybody in Kelly was scared. Yeah.
My mama and her first husband actually lived in Kelly
also and they had seven kids, and she said they
were scared to death because nobody knew what these things were.
And they believed the family wholeheartedly, because well, number one,
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my grandmother was a pillar of the community. You know,
she was a church going, god fearing a woman and
she went in life or life depended on it. Yeah,
and so people believed her, you know, they believed the family,
and so yeah, I mean the community was scared, of course,
everybody else was, and they just made fun of the situation.
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It would just swept under the rug and that was it.
You know. The military did come out the next morning.
They did it search grid. There was stuff flying over
you know, and all that was going on the next morning,
which didn't help matters any and that just made people
want to come even more. But that's that's what happened.
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That's the story.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, and you can imagine, I mean a little town
like that back then, there was nothing to do, so
any excitement like that, yeah, would.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Attract right, and anything too. You know, my grandmother and them,
you know, they were poor and they didn't go to
the movies and stuff like a lot of people did.
So they had no clue what a spaceman would have
been or anything like that. You know. That's one reason
why they were called goblins to begin with, because she
thought it was some kind of goblin or something that
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the devil had brought forth. Because like I said, she'd
been church that evening, she'd just gotten home from church
when all this happened. Yeah, and so that was her
first thought, these little beings or something the devil had
brought I.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Always like to point out with stories like this, they
had nothing to gain is anything. They lost a lot
because they would sell the farm and all that because
we were taking stuff, and like they lost a lot because.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Of it, right, and they're you know, their dignity hacks
lee because you know, people are cruel, the kids are cruel,
and you know, the kids probably just gave them heck
when they went back to school. And you know, because
they don't talk about it. You know, my aunt, two
uncles just don't talk about it. And my older uncle
(26:28):
yed that they didn't talk about it anymore. But he's
gotten some of me. I think he's eighty one now,
so his mind is just not like it used to be.
And I think he's afraid the saying thing because he's
afraid he'll forget something. But the two smaller ones, it's
just it's just terrified them. My aunt Mary, like I said,
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she was seven and she's a little bitty thing now.
I can't imagine how tiny she was back then. These
things were probably bigger than she was. Yeah, so I
know it was horrified to them.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Well also not to mention that, you know, they're shooting
at their own house. What would be the purpose of that,
you know exactly back then that stuff they would have
had to fix themselves. They didn't. It's not long. They're
gonna payly and fix it, right, you.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Know, and they couldn't afford that. You know, you don't
do stuff like that unless something's happening. And that's what
the chief thought too. You know, she's to believe them wholeheartedly.
He knew this family went through something. I mean, he's
seen it. Yeah, and you know he had his own
experience a couple of years before that, so you know,
he believed it. And they One of the police officers
(27:33):
so heartily believed it too, because he had actually seen
something that he couldn't explain three different times. Plus he
got realize and this didn't come forward till later either
that During the day that day, there was lights and
sounds and stuff. People were seen all over the place.
During the night that night, there was lights going across
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the sky all the way from Clarksville, Tennessee. So it
was going across is going from Clarksville to Fort Campbell,
hitting Hopkinsville and then Kelly, so you know, it was
going across four different towns until it hit Kelly. Yeah,
and you know, people were seeing this, people were hearing
these things, so you know, even that evening, there was
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a couple of young boys that were out working on
a bicycle or something, and they actually saw the lights
and heard it, and then they heard the family carrying on.
You know, so things are being heard and seen that night,
but people didn't come forward to later about it because
they were afraid to because they saw how you know,
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ridiculed my family was you know, you know, made fun
of and everything. So people the state hush huss because
I'm not gonna be made that fun like they were,
you know, made fun of like they were right.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And you did not become aware of the story until
you were a little bit older, because, like I said,
you weren't born yet. You were long after and and
so your family really didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
No knew who moved. This was something that was kept
from us. We never heard about it. And the reason
we dig it here about it is by chance, I guess,
because it was a Sunday afternoon and this man and
woman come knocking at our door. I was eight years
old and wanted to talk to my dad and he said,
you know, I guess mom, and dad thought, well, I guess,
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you know, they need to hear it anyway, they're going
to find out sooner or later, yeah, and shut us down.
And that's when we heard the story, and it scared
me to death. And the haad thing about this whole
thing was, even at eight years old, I already loved
science fixing and I loved horror. Yeah, so that's really
ruined my science fixing thing because it scared me so
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bad at night that I would go around and shut
all the doors, winds and curtains and shades, and because
I was afraid these things are going to come back. Yeah,
and look at our windows and doors, right, So you
know this really scared me being eight years old. So yeah,
you know, even to this day, it's still scary. And
we're out at night, you know, I'm always looking at
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the sky, you know, I look out every night before
I go to bed. I always open up the curtains
to look out at the sky. Yeah, because you just
you don't know, but I made sure they're closed afterwards.
But yeah, it's scary because you know the reason it
was so scary is because my when my dad would
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talk about it, if you could get him to talk
about it, you could tell it was something that really
affected his life. Yeah, and the following weekend after we
heard the story, he took us out to Kelly to
show it's where it all happened. At the wells still there,
it's still there today. And then he took us the
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house is gone, but he took us out back to
where this craft had landed, and sure enough, it happened
in fifty five. This was like sixty nine. So he
takes us back there, and sure enough there is a
round place on the ground, perfectly round, where nothing is growing.
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And people that lived in Kelly back then have come
up to me that of course they're railed er now,
but they have come to me and told me that
when they were kids and teenagers, they would walk through
that circle going back through they're going hunting and stuff.
So there are people that remember that circle being on
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the ground. But you know, the proper protocol was never
taken for this. They never took samples, you know, they
never roped the area off. Of course, it was contaminated
by the time all the people started coming and going
over everything. But you know, proper protocol was never taken
with this situation. And like I said, it was just
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swept under the rug and they just wanted to get
rid of it.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, and the police kind of they kind of separated
your family and got the same story from different members,
so it wasn't like they could get their story together, right, And.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Bud led with he was a reporter back then. He
was the one that took them aside separately and did
the drawing, you know, the three drawings that everybody knows that. Yeah,
he's the one that did the drawing. You know, that's
another reason why people believe it so well. It's because
you know, here this guy took them one at a time,
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asked him, you know, describe this thing, and they're so similar. Yeah,
and they never changed their story. I mean it it
is what it is. It's a great story.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah. The thing about it is it's so credible, right,
this is what I was getting at, Like because like
you're saying, you know, they went separately and they all
come up with the same, very same sketch of what
these creatures look like, the same details and everything. You know,
we're exactly the same in individual stories. And you know, right,
people that make up stories, the story always changes because
they forget what they said, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And so exactly when you're telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
The story never changes. Because you're exactly and so it's
affected your family even up until today. I heard you
tell a story about your sister even ten years ago,
had some issues at a place that she worked.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, which really shocked me because this is back when
the Kelly Festival was starting up and somebody has found
out that she was a sutton that did people at
work started kidding there about and making fun of it,
and it really upset her over it, you know, you know,
and you would think that people today wouldn't do that,
(33:44):
but they do, they do. You know, you gotta have
thick skin when you've got a story like this and
your family, let me tell you, because you have people
that don't know what a good word would be for
you know, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, I just think that you have a whole family
full of crazy people, you know, hallucinate or make up
stories or yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Right. This happened to an innocent family that had no
blew what was going on, what was happening to him? Yeah,
you know, and that was a great sphere with them
because they didn't know what the things were there for
in the first place. Why did they come to their house,
why did they pick their house? Would they come back
because they didn't get what they wanted. You know, that
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was a big spear. And I always tell people my
daddy was a small man, but he was fight a
bear for what he believed in. And there's two things
on this earth that frightened him more than anything. One
was tornadoes because he had been in one and tornadoes
terrified him. The other was the goblins. You know, nothing
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else ever secared to spend. Those two things frightened him to.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
The day that yeah. And I hate when people dismiss
it and try to say, well, it was you know
the big the big excellenation I always heard was owls, right,
And I think that is that's ridiculous because that's saying
I mean, you're talking about your family who hunted on
that land. They knew every animal, They probably knew every tree,
you know what I'm saying, Like because they on the
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they worked the wind.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Not only that, Eric, you got saying these are boys,
they could probably hunt by the time they could walk practically, right,
But they had a twelve gauge, a twenty gage and
a twenty two rifle. You telling me they're not hitting
these things? And if they were owls, there would be
owl pieces everywhere, any other kind of animal or even
human if it was a human out there doing it,
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they were hitting them, yeah, and they'll be pieces of
them everywhere. You know. It blows my mind how people
don't put that in perspective, that these guys could shoot
and hit a target and anything they were hitting, they
were hitting these things because when they were hitting them,
their hanging. So they were hitting these things. And you know,
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it blots of time mind that people think it could
have been a monkey or an hour or even cats.
You know, I've heard the cat theory too. You think
cat no, right, right?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And also why would a whole group of animals like
that be trying to get in the house and attacking.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And like ry all night long?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, And you know, they were more connected to nature
than we are today for sure, working the land and
working outside and hunting for their food and and all that.
And so yeah. I think one of the things is
that for some people to believe in anything paranormal, whether
it be you know, creatures or ghosts or anything, I
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think it scares them. And because they want everything in
little boxes that make sense in their life, you know,
and anything outside of that, well, I can't handle that,
you know, so it just scares them, so they dismiss
it and trying to, you know, make excuses, and it
makes fun of people because of their own insecurities, right, and.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think too, you got to realize we live in
the Bible bell here, right, and sometimes it can get
really bad. For an example, one year, I was doing
the fair there in Hopkinsville and had a boot set up,
and I actually had these teenagers, I mean, these probably
fifteen sixteen seventeen year olds come up to my booth
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and tell me that I did not believe in God
because I believed in aliens.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Oh wow, I told him.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I said, that's not true. Yeah, now that's not true
at all. I wholeheartedly believe in God. You know, he's
the one that made these aliens out of here people.
You know, you may not want to believe that, but
he may supposed to have made everything. So you know,
but if you've got people that you set, like you said,
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live in a box, they do not want to believe
there is anything on this.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Earth side us.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
We are it. There is no other beings out here,
so you know, and they wholeheartedly believe that.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
And to me, I mean there's millions of planets, so
why you've been the only ones?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Oh my god, the solar system is massive and you've
got to be just Dince in the head. I'm sorry,
but Dnce in the head to believe we are the
only living beings. Yeah, you know, that's crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, yeah, has because I know with a lot of
people who especially have close encounters like that. Has your
family ever experiencing the other paranormal activity or any other
UFO weird?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, let me tell you something I just found out
here recently that my uncle Jay C actually made the
statement that if he'd ever seen anything like that again,
he would never mention it because of what they went
through with this story. And let me tell you my
uncle j C with a Korean war bet okay, and
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these little beg three and a half the tap beings
scared him more than what he went through in the war.
That's telling you something.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
There, because you learned of the story, of course from
your family, and you've kind of been tasked with being
the torch bearer to carry it on. What other kind
of experience have you had throughout your life as far
as paranormal.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh gosh, you got time because I've got one great
story that people just blows their mind in their This
back for mut Brandenburg. We lived in Princeton, Kentucky. We
had a little thirty two acre farm there. I want
to suit myself every day for giving it up. But anyway,
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we lived there several years, never had an issue what soever.
Now this was thirty acres. Most of it was woods, thick,
thick woods. I loved it that way. So we had
a little metaphysical shop in Princeton, and we actually had
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a tarot reader. We had a person that did reiki,
and we had a person that could talk to dead people.
Now I know people are probably laughing their heads off
right now. But anyway, one night, the little girl that
talked to dead people, we were good friends, and she
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come and spent the night with us since she was
in the guest room. And the next morning she told
me she said, I had an Indian kept coming to
my room last night. I said really, She said yes,
she said it kept coming to the room. So she said,
I finally got up and followed it. Oh it's a hymn.
Followed him and she said, I follow him into the
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dining area and we had a huge windows in this house, huge,
huge windows, and she says, I looked out the back
yard and there was like fifty Indians back there.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I'm like really, she says, yeah, Well I got cold
tails right now just thinking about this. And so we
get to the shop and I tell my king person
and my tarot person, you know what, details on what
just happened, Like, oh, okay, so anyway, it's not I
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don't know. A week or two later, my husband and
iron bed and our bedrooms on the top floor, and
we had this big deck out the back with French doors.
And like I said, our land was out there was
we'd have no neighbors and it was just thick woods.
And so at night I didn't shut the shades on
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the doors. We just left them open. You couldn't get
to the deck because there was no stairs or nothing
to it, so you couldn't get to the deck from
the ground and it was way high. So never worried us. Right, well,
we're laying there in bed and all of a sudden, bam,
something hits the glass. We're thinking, okay, maybe it was
a bat, you know, maybe or something. So my husband
(42:13):
gets up and looks out there. There's nothing there, nothing
on the deck. Nothing on the ground. Okay, so he
gets back in bed. It ain't. Two minutes later, bam
hits again, and we're like, what the heck. So I'm
take my flashlight and I take it. Now. Look, I'm
expecting to see a big old bigfoot looking over our deck.
(42:36):
You know, well, nothing there. I don't see nothing laying
on the deck. Something in the flashlight. Now it ain't.
A couple of minutes later, bam, third time, something hits
that glass. I look at my husband. He looks at me,
and I'm like, uh uh no more. I just cover
my head up and I try to go to sleep
the rest of the night. Next morning, get up grows
(42:56):
there and look there's nothing. Nothing, So we're thinking, what
the heck? You know, no, I'm nuts now, nothing on
the derreck, So we let it go. Well it ain't.
A week or two later, my husband has to get
up go to work. He's usually left at six o'clock
in the morning, and I'll get up with him get him.
Often I go lay that down because we didn't open
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up the shop for twelve No physical people don't come
out till later in the day. So I'll go back
to bed and usually sleep for another hour hour and
a half. When we have cats, some of my cats
jumped into bed with me. I'm laying there and all
the sudden, boy, there is a tap tap on that
(43:39):
glass on the French door. I look, there ain't nothing there.
The cats, their ears are all standing straight up. They're
all looking toward that door, and they're not taking their
eyes off of it. I'm like, uh, I get my
butt up, I get ready and I head on down
to shop. I get out of there. So when my
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people come in that day, I tell them what happens,
and I tell them about the couple of weeks before,
about the something getting hit against the glass. Then they're like, oh,
we need to come out and look at your land
and check it out, see what's going on. So they
come out, all three of them. They go walking around
and they're sensing this stuff and saying that, well, your
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land is angry. And one of them says it's something
to do with fire. And the little girl sees the
dead people see keeps seeing a woman. So anyway, they
tell me, says, well, we need to come out here
and bless your land. We need to settle your land
back down. It's gotten angry for some reason. I said, okay,
you can I here, and you just want to I
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don't care. So anyway, they come out during the weekend
and they bring their saved and all the other little stuff,
and that they actually give what I mean, they do
the whole nine yards on this and if you know what,
we didn't have any more problems after that.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Well, I find out a few days after all this
we do all this ceremony stuff, the trail of tears
actually went through that land. And I'm like, oh, well,
this makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
And on top of that, when we bought the land,
of course we walked it. There sees huge, three huge
mounds back in the woods, perfectly round, beautiful mounds, you know,
grasses growing on fig trees growing out of them, I mean,
(45:38):
and it got us wandering. Could these be burial mounds?
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You know. And after I found out a trail of
tears went through it, I mean, it all makes perfect sense.
But like I said, after they came out did that
little ceremony, we had no more problems. Now, ain't that off?
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah? If everybody doesn't know, there's actually a Tiller Tears
Park in Hopkinsville, And so yeah, it very much ran
through that.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Whole area, Yes, it did. It ran through Princeton. Yeah,
they have a little monument down at the park in
Princeton where it ran through there. And apparently it came
out our area too and walked through there. So you know,
it made perfect sense, you know, her seeing the Indians. Yeah,
all of it made perfect sense after we found out,
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so amazing stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, so your your grandmother sold off the farm. Whatever
happened to me to all the land.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Well, it's actually I think let me think, there's like
four different families. I mean, you know they sold them
off in you know little lots. Yeah, the part that
the well is on and the house was on and
where the landing happened. Actually it is owned by the
same person. They bought that whole strip down through there,
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so one person owns all that happened on it, and
the other three sections are three sections where other families.
But they won't let you on it. You can't get
back there. They just had so many people harassed them
over the years, banging on their door in the middle
of the night, want to see where the aliens landed,
(47:21):
you know, So they just they just don't let anybody
back there anymore or ever really ever. Yeah, we've been
lucky enough to get back there a couple of times.
They've let us if that's it.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah, I could see I could see people trespassing and
sneaking on the property, and it's oh yeah, yeah, we've
we've had issues with that, just buying the two year
old house. Yeah. People, we've had to put a sign,
a big sign out on the driveway when we're not
there that blocks the driveway because yeah, we people pull
up there and get out and look around the house
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and like, you know, privately owned, this is not public property,
like we're going to allow people in, you know for
history and normal stuff. But you know, you just got
to wait right right, So I couldn't even imagine with
a story like that and the you know, the legend
like that of people going on to the property and
bugging them. I don't know what it is with people.
They think just because the stories they hear, stories that
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they have permission to do things like that.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Right, Well, they've let all that into fat behind the
house grow up. I mean it's just full of trees
and brush and really really sick. Yeah, so you really
can't get back in. You can get back in there,
and they'd never see it because they can't see you
from their house because of all the woods. But you know,
you don't know really where the area is unless you
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go back in there and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah. So, I know, in the past few years, the
only person that I've seen that's done really kind of
an in depth, die a deep dive into it was
Ben Hanson when he had his show.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah we did that show. Yeah, yeah, we snuck back
there that day. We sure did. He figured out where
it was. Yeah, sure enough. There's an area back there
that stuff still isn't growing very well as well as
the rest of the forest. And you know, he took
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a Geiger counter and he was able to get reading
and hell detector and you know, so it was kind
of exciting.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, I'm surprised because like a lot of those cases,
the military came back and investigated when when Jay Allen Heineck,
the scientist, they had him investgating a lot of those
I'm surprised that that that wasn't one of the things
they had him investigate. He's the one that come up
with the swamp gas explanation for the government, and yeah,
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I'm surprised he didn't. That was with it being such
a dominant experience, you know, they didn't put more investigation
into it.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
You know, I've heard two different stories. I've heard he
didn't like it, and I've heard that he did like
the stories. So, you know, I'm not really sure what
he believed or how he believed.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, he came out later and said that he all
the things he had seen, he believed, but for the
government report he had to put things like swamp gas
and in with the balloons and stuff. You know, it's
the gas light people like our government's done with the
UFO staff.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
They didn't want him to say it was UFOs. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that it was something from another world, right, No, we
can't have aliens here, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah. So you've written a few books about the incident
and about UFOs and that subject, and they're available on Amazon,
I know, Yes, you can.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Get them if you get them through my Etsy shop.
I think they're seaper actually, and I will sign them
for you also.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, yeah, I bought a copy. I bought a copy
and you signed it for me. Yes, yes, but yeah,
the Kelly green Men alien legacy revisited. You have alien
legacy in the world.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yes, I've actually talked to my husband and we're actually
I'm actually thinking about once I shell out of all
these books I've got Right now, I'm thinking about doing
one book and just getting rid of the two. Yeah,
and just redoing the whole thing and just making one
book instead. Like I said, having the two, I think
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it'd be much better and I put more into them
because I know some more stuff now.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
You know, just start again with another book. But that'll
be a while yet, Yeah, because I gotta get myself
down and make myself right, write it and everything. You
got to be in the moods, right, Yeah, Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I've been working on a book for a year and
a half now, almost two years, and yeah, it's about
half done. Yeah, it's about time. I have a d
D two So that doesn't help. You had to force
myself sit on it, right. But uh, I saw where
you You did a convention earlier this year in Texas.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
I believe, Oh that was the Moufon Symposium.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah. I want to Yeah, I hope that you have
those printed goblins at the I think convention next year.
I want to.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yes, yes, we are going to yeah, yeah, people, oh
less we love them myself. I'm constantly off my epsy.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Shop and I had to go order one.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
They're cute, it could be, but it took us a
while to perfect about the thing and learn how to
run a three D printer, but we finally got it down.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, and we're all the only people that have all three.
We have all three of the drawings.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I was able to find somebody that could do it
a file. It's called STL file, and we were able
to get that done so we can do all three.
So yeah, we're pretty proud of them.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go order. I'm gonna have
to go order anyone. I love things like that, and
just to put and putting my office on the bookshelves
and stuff. But uh, I'll put all your links in
the in the show notes so people can check out
your books and your and your Etsie shop. And well
you said if you if you order the books from
Etsie her eie shop, she gets all the money. None
of it goes to you know, corporate Amazon, which is
(53:33):
making plenty of money.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
But right, yeah, and don't take too believe me.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, but you can also also get it personalized and signed.
The Bud Geraldine exactly. And and you got anything coming
up for We got spooky season coming up. You've got
any other conventions or anything you're doing this year?
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, I'm doing Cumberland con in October. I've got another one.
I forget what it's called. I'm doing Louisville terrible. I
forgot what it's called in Louisville. I've got something I'm
doing in Russell. I'm I've always I'm always getting called
to do stuff for libraries and centers and stuff. I
even do nursing homes. Believe it or not, Yes, I
(54:16):
think it's kind of sweet. I mean, you'd be amazed.
It's the little little people at nursing homes that love
to be talked to and hear stuff like this. You know,
I've done schools based. Let if somebody ask me, I
will do it for them.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
That's just me.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
I just got asked the other day. Somebody called me
to do one in Madisonville, which I've done Madisonville three
times already, but they want me to come back to
another one. People love the story, they just love to
hear it, and they'll come back and come back and
come back. And you know, I don't how many conventions
I've done where people have come up to me and said,
you're the reason I'm at this convention. I'm like, oh,
(54:57):
my goodness. That makes you feel so good when people
tell you that.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to do some stuff like that
at the Nighthouse. I'd love to have you out there
and yeah, people come.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
I would love to come there. I would love to
come to that.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah that out. Yeah, I would definitely be seeing you
with the Goblin Con stuff because I think she wants
me to be part of that as well, to help
plant planet and all that stuff. So right, but yeah,
I'd love to have you out and people stay tuned
for that, and also stay tuned for all the info
for the Goblin Con stuff next year because that's gonna
be really fun convention in Hopkinshill, all about UFOs and
(55:34):
the paranormal and uh I will definitely be there as well.
So but thank you, thank you for coming on today,
Jodie and talking about your family story and it's I've
been fascinated by it for a long time, so it's
awesome we get to talk to you about it.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Well, thank you, And like I say, any day you
could talk about the green Man is a good day,
right right, right.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
All right, everybody, y'all stay safe out there, have a
good day. We'll see you next time. Thank you for
listening to the Unseen Paranormal. Join me next Wednesday with
a brand new guest, and please rate, review, share, subscribe
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(57:02):
don't nowhere when it's not
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