The True Story of Spencer's Ghosts with Al Cooley

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Join us as we dive into the history, hauntings, and
high strangers of the world to try to better understand
the paranormal. I will be your guide. I am paranormal
researcher and investigator Eric Freeman Simms. Welcome to the Unseen
Paranormal Podcast. Hey everybody, welcome to episode one seventy five.

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Just treat each other with kindness and respect, and what
you put out is what you get back. I'm just
gonna say, I'm so glad this fucking election seasons over it,
feel likes has been going on for three years. Just
glad all the ads and the signs and everything will
go away. Anyway, I think a lot of y'all probably
share that sentiment as well. Anyway, that's enough of the
business there, and I'm gonna jump right into the episode,

(01:55):
because episodes an hour and a half long. So today
we're talking to you, mister our Cooley. Al is a
fellow podcaster Paranormal Podcasters. He has a great show. I
listen to a show. We're fans of each other as
far as the podcast go. He listens to the show here.
But he wrote a new book that is autobiographical about
himself growing up in a haunted house from the ages

(02:17):
of twelve to sixteen. It is called Spencer's Ghost The
Guardian and it is first in the book series Ghost Valley.
So he's got some more planned that will follow this
book and kind of carry on from where this book
leaves off. Yeah, just a great conversation. Like I said,
sometimes when you get in a conversation that you're enjoying,
it just keeps going. So that's why this episode so long.
And so y'all go grab a copy of his book,

(02:39):
Spencer's Ghost The Guardian. It's available on Amazon, Kendall Barnton
double dot com, anywhere else fine books are sold. Also,
he is trying to get his website up and going
author Alcooley dot com to get autograph copies up there
where you can order them directly from him and he
will personalize it for you. But Stanley look out for
that and just said relax and enjoy the show. Hey ill,

(03:03):
thanks for joining us today.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, I really enjoyed the new book, Spencer's Ghost The Guardian.
And uh, you put Ghost Valley book one because your
your podcast is Ghosts in the Valley and I've been
a fan of your podcast forever. We kind of known
each other online for for quite a while and on
on our podcast journeys.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, and yours was my years was of my directory,
I at one of my top ten. So that's the
one I listened to regularly.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, yeah, your yours is on my list as well,
on top list as well when I get a chance
to listen to podcast. But uh yeah, busy life. But
congratulations on the new book. It is awesome. I love
it and I think it is a it would be
a great read for everybody. So even like kids could
read this book and uh not too young, you know,
not to scare them, but definitely young adults and and

(03:50):
anybody you know on up until older age. It's just a.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Just a great publishers. Yeah, the publishers want to target
the young adult. But I'll tell you what, I've had
people seventy five and older tell me they really took
you know, they really enjoyed it, took them back, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is it's autobiographical.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
It's running through my eyes at least Atlee Spencer is
the person the main character in the book. You know,
that's me, So it's through my eyes between the years
of twelve years age and sixteen.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Wow, that's there's a lot packed between those years with
the Like I was telling you before we started recording,
I thought I had a paranormal life with things starting
now when I was young and just kind of snowballing.
But man, and it all started when y'all moved into
this new house.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right, you know. And I never had any experience like that.
I've never seen a ghost or her spirit or any
of that, you know. And you know, can you imagine,
you know, the first day of pulling up the drivel
and you see a girl up in the front in
the window, you know, Yeah, I mean in your label crazy,
you know, I mean, yeah, that's the thing. Back in
nineteen sixty seven, Man, it's like there was no internet.

(05:01):
So who do you go to? Who you talk to?
Because your parents think you're nuts, you know, because actually,
you know, the four years would have been in this house,
my parents never experienced anything.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
So it was just my sister, myself, my brother, a
few family members, and a couple of friends that actually,
I mean I was never you know, physically attacked, you know,
or my sister you know, But my two uncles were
My two uncles were physically attacked, you know. But even

(05:35):
if they came to my parents and said, you know,
the house was hauled, they were thinking, I'm putting this
ship in their head, you know what I'm saying. So
I'm the one. I'm the one to feed them, feeding
them this stuff. Yeah, you know. And so I was
like a no win situation, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
So yeah, and that had to be tough, especially between
twelve and sixteen, because you're kind of you're changing anyway
and getting into being cooming an adult and all that
hard enough by itself without you know, dealing with all
of this crazy shit that you're going through in this
house and your parents won't even listen to you because
they think you're lying.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Great, you know, I had one I was on the
podcast other night and now the h one of the girls,
she asked me, you know why why now you know?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's like, well, because I couldn't do it then, you know,
because who's going to believe you? And who's going because
right now, I mean, paranormals accepted a whole lot better
than it was in nineteen sixty seven. We're even nineteen
ninety and I mean it's it's different. It's a different world,
right now. Yeah, So I mean how many podcasts you
have out there or faced group rooms that you know

(06:42):
have the paranormal.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, it's it's definitely. I mean there are tens of
thousands of paranormal podcasts between the videocast online and with
the podcast apps and things. And yeah, I'm a member
of probably one hundred and twenty Facebook groups just for
paranormal and some of them have hundreds of thousands of
people in them. So yeah, yeah, and back in the
sixteen seventies, I mean, you start talking about seeing things
that aren't there, they might put you a straight jack

(07:05):
and take you, take you to the asylum.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
You know, that's right, you know, because I remember one
night it was so bad, it was so active that
I mean, this isn't this is't not not in the book,
you know, but I remember it was so bad that
we were going to call the police, you know, and
because my parents were going that night, it was just
my sister and my brother and I and it was
so bad that's what we got to call the cops. Man.

(07:28):
It's like it was, it was just really fierce. Yeah,
and then my sister says before I called you, like,
what are you gonna tell them when they when they
get here. Yeah, because there's nobody here, but you have
all this stuff going on. H Yeah, they're going to
go put you up in the straight jacket. Yeah you know.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, you're gonna be medicated, drooling on yourself definitely.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah. And like you said, this started, I mean from
from the get go, not only the ghost girl, but
the first day y'all were there and you were chained
the light bulb in the basement, something stop you from falling.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, that's all on day one, you know. So you know,
me seeing the girl in the window, me saying hello
in my in my bedroom that was empty at the time.
It was just a wooden floor and the furniture's not
there yet. You know, I'm saying hello, and I get
this echo back. Well, you know, tolly year old boy.
I'm thinking that was pretty cool, man. I got this echo,
so I said it louder and then she answered back hello.

(08:24):
So I'm thinking it's my sister. Yeah, you know, they
came up sis stair because she bought the same age
as me, and I'm thinking that same age as a girl.
The girl I seen was about ten, ten years old.
I'm going to guess, so I'm guessing it was her,
you know. She wasn't upstairs. It was just me, and
so I went back downstairs. And that's when my dad
said about going downstairs and the changing that light bulb,

(08:47):
you know, and I'm thinking, okay, you know, I go downstairs.
I'm thinking, God, I don't like it down here, you know,
because it's dark and like a dungee basement, you know,
musty smell them. And I'm up on this brick block
I brought over, you know, and I uh, I fellow,
I'm balling off this block backwards, trying to put this

(09:08):
light bulb in, and this sand grubs it back and
I could feel a hand like on the back of
my leg. I thought it was my dad, you know,
And I looked down and said, he thanks. He's my
h my step dad at the time, he was I'm
not his boyfriend. And they end up becoming my stepfather. Yeah,
So he says, I said, thanks thanks to me. I mean,

(09:30):
you know, thanks a lot. I looked down. There's nobody there. No.
I just ran like help, I'll get up them steps,
you know, on what am I going to say there's
a ghost in the basement. You know, they already didn't
believe me about the girls ghosts in the window, so
I just kept quiet, you know. Yeah, And I mean
it was all on day one and uh, you know,
had another question was asked me, well did it follow

(09:53):
you to the following houses? You know, no it didn't.
You know, I'd never this was like a one and
done for me in this house and a lot of
these people that it just kept happening to, you know,
because I didn't.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, how did you how did you narrow down the stories?
Because I know, I mean, like you said there the
story you just told a minute ago was you didn't
put in the book? So how did you narrow down
the stories to kind of keep it flowing?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, there was a lot in there, so I had
to between the editors and uh, you know, people reading
a book, I'm thinking first or first of all, I
had to drop a like thirty five f bombs. They
said it was too many in the book, because if
you know, if you're targeting young adults, you know they
can get you can get around different ways like you
know the f ford or Yeah. I'm like, well, okay,

(10:40):
you know, if I did leave one in there because
I thought it was appropriate because you know the seven
seven's in the book. You know, she was a foul mouth.
I mean, there was not a sentence she could say
without cursing, you know. Yeah, so I'm thinking I can't.
I can't leave all her stuff out, you know, because yeah,
it's just who he was, and so there's some certain

(11:01):
things I have to leave in. So being based on
a true story, you know, I in assists it was
like fifty seven years ago this happened. I started writing
this like five years ago. So I'm like adding each
time I do it, that switch a couple of chapters around.
I dropped a couple of chapters out only because they said,

(11:24):
when I say, they guess the editors a lot that
was didn't flow right, you know, yeah, and they're probably right,
you know, maybe it wasn't ghostly. And you know, I
always I always saw people, you know, if you're looking
for blood and guts and somebody putting their hands through
somebody's chest and ripping off the heart with this is
this book game for you, you know, But if you
want to talk about like a true story, like what

(11:45):
happened to me then yeah, you know, it was just
outside that. It wasn't just in the house, it was
outside the house as well, So I mean different events
that happened that was just crazy, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, other people being affected, and it kind of
ran the whole gammut of of I would say between
intelligent and residual. Because there was a time when you
and your sister heard somebody come through the door, run
through the house, went back to out the door.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Right that. Yeah, that was a friend of mine that
came over. Actually he is he was spending the Yeah. Yeah,
and that's another thing, man. He he never came back,
and so we were always friends. To this day, we're friends.
But he never came back to that, to that house.
He was just he didn't like the house begin with.
And I assured him that there was no activity during

(12:34):
that time because it has basically it had slowed down
that before he spent the night. I thought, okay, you know,
it's pretty cool now. And when we were sitting there
on the couch, imagine your couch is like in the
middle of the living room, so the back behind the
couch was facing the back door, so we could hear
the screen doors squeaking open. We both turned around. There

(12:56):
was anotherbody back there. Okay, you know, maybe it was
a wind, you know, the wind blew the door open.
Then we heard like the footsteps, you know, coming through
the kitchen, and like, I really, I don't know if
you ever felt this like a cold breeze coming through you.
So it was just like a breeze, like a cold ice,
cold breeze. It was a hot summer night too, it
was we didn't have air conditioning, so the breeze just

(13:18):
came right through our bodies. The footsteps went back to
the kitchen. Door, door shut, Sam shut. He got up
and called his mother, says, you need to come pick
me up, madam, and I'm out of here. What turned
out his mother worked with my mother, and so my
mom now she's double mad at me because I'm feeding

(13:39):
him these stories about this ghost girl or this ghost
in the house. And plus his mother tells her friends
at work that we should have our house blessed or something,
you know, so she's mad at me. Now her friends
think she's crazy because of me, you know. So it
was like it's always my fall, you know, but I

(14:00):
understand it now because I'm looking back on it, you know,
it's like like I said before, like it it's like,
you know, if you don't experience something, then you really
don't know. I mean you hear about it like cancer
or Alzheimer's or but you know, have that in your
family or you yourself, you really don't know, you know.
So I can understand this stuff never happened to her.

(14:22):
So yeah, but I was hoping that even before she
passed away, as I've been come on just one time
on and just you don't see see what it's like
either you're blind or you're turning in a blind eye,
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, it seemed and it seems like it's weird how
cases are like that, because I've been investigating for a
long time, and yeah, it just affects certain people. Certain
people see stuff. And it's always amazed me that you
can have five or six people in the same room
and you can hear a voice, but everybody experiences it
a little differently. Or you can have something manifest right

(14:58):
in front of you, and I've had this happened with
a group of people, but everybody sees it differently. Somebody
will see that the shadow figure, somebody see a full body apparition.
Some people see a mist and different things, and I
find that interesting. And then some people won't see anything
at all, or that.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Spirit will connect with somebody that you didn't think they
were going to connect with, like say you have a
medium or whatever, it's on your team and this this
like I was on one one night where investigation where
the spirit then, uh, there was like two paranormal groups
in this house, in the mansion, and it didn't go

(15:35):
to any of the group it was. It went to
the tour guide that was taken the tour on the house.
And know what I'm saying, And she was Hispanics. Yeah,
so evidently this spirit could was just speaking Spanish. So yeah,
I thought that was strange, you know, but that uh,

(15:55):
and she was she didn't have any equipment. She was
just getting this like a what do you call that?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, like telekinesis or like a yeah, yeah, using that
premise that they will talk to some people. Whenever I
do public gohostcuns Or, I lead a group of like
novice investigators, we always do something called a roundtable EVP session,
and so everybody will ask the same question in a
clockwise manner and we always give fifteen or twenty seconds
in between to give them time to answer, and inevitably

(16:22):
they will answer one person, one or two people in
the group every time. And I don't know, I think
some of it too, with some of the historic locations.
It may be because if it's a man asking the question,
you know, back seventeen eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, you know,
women didn't they more so talked with women. Strange men

(16:45):
they wouldn't have anything to do with because of the
culture and things. Or and also if you're in the
woman's bedroom back then, she would not have a man
in her bedroom at all. It would have been her
husband and only to procreate that some of the time
they s levet in the same room, and so or
even like little kid spirits, they might feel comfortable and
more comfortable talking to a female than a male. And
so we always do that because we get good results

(17:08):
and we'll usually have that person. So if it's just
one person in the group that they send to respond to, well,
the rest of the night will have them predominantly asking
questions and trying to get interactions because okay, well, if
that spirit can only hear them, or only it is
only reacting to them, or whatever the reason is why
they're on that person. Okay, well how about you ask
them to set the rampot off? You know, if it

(17:29):
goes off, then if I ask and it doesn't happen,
all right, we may be seen some correlation or you know,
if a f meter or something that they're asking for
to answer questions. But it's findly interesting that it's like that.
And I've been I've heard many different theories. One of
them was that we're all on different you know, level
of vibration, planes of vibration, which makes sense to me

(17:50):
because our entire universe in existence is different levels of vibration.
I mean, you know, the light spectrum, sound spectrum, microwaves,
everything is a wave and it's a vibration. So but yeah,
just kind of interesting that that.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Would you say vibrations, would you say like energy?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's all energy and it's all on a wave.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah. Like years ago, we were at a I travel
with my family. We came across an Indian uh like
a little Indian talm where selling artifacts and it was
like a deli, but everything was American Indian. So I'm thinking,
there's this old man on the front porch and he's
like doing his coffee cup, you know, dripping his coffee

(18:32):
back in that cup, And I asked, you, what are
you doing? So I'm getting the evil spirits all the coffee.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
It says everything it's living on this planet has a spirit,
you know. And so his thinking was, I'm just maybe
to what ten years old. And I remember him telling
me that it whether it be a plant or tree
or human animal, they all have spirit, you know. On
I'm thinking, okay, you know he so his thinking is,

(19:01):
it's if a place is haunted, and not how we
got in this conversation. I'm just I'm just a little
kid in my family since iide this store, and I
had a really great connection with this old man. And
he was just saying that everything it comes from ground up.
So all this activity and spirits that were coming from
ground up. So my thinking is was a building actually

(19:25):
haunted or was those spirits in the house been there
in the ground, you know, Because I was talking to
a member of our city hall because I'm doing some
research on this house. I want to get all the
research i can, you know, And he was telling me
the person on the city hall that the area that

(19:45):
I lived in, that whole area was highly saturated with
spirit activity because they a lot of these homes were
built on very old grounds. So and in that book,
I you know, I had mentioned certain things of the talent.
It happened in Warren, Ohio. So I'm doing a book

(20:06):
signing last weekend at the Ghostwalk and I was sitting
at the church. I'm looking at the log cabinets in
the book. I'm looking. I'm looking at the courthouses in
the book. You know, this brought back a lot of
memories and I'm thinking, wow, you know, and I think
that's why my book did so well there sold out
because the people knew an author from the town I

(20:29):
wrote the story about, you know, and I know the area.
They know the area, you know. So there's a lot
of activity even the in the at the church we had.
The ghostwalk started out at that church alone has a
tunnel that goes under that church. I know the main
road to the river, so that was a for the

(20:50):
underground railroad back in the early eighteen hundreds. So that
was a very active area. A lot of death in
that area, so oh, you know, it was it was interesting,
you know, and meeting the people that came up to
talk to me. You know, I'm thinking naturally a couple
of people give out side. I like, okay, whatever, you know,

(21:11):
but there was more than that that they came to
me and tell told me their story, you know, and
I thought that was really interesting.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah. And one of the thing I love about books
like yours as well, is not only are they true
stories and they're fascinating because you get to hear one
person's account, you know, throughout the years of things happened
to them, but also, like you said, this happened in Warren, Ohio. Otherwise,
who's heard about hauntings in warn Ohio?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I mean, you know what I'm saying, like nobody. And
so people that live there who experience the same things
maybe in their house that you did, or when they're
grown up or whatever, you know, they can relate because
they're like, oh my god, somebody at Nails actually had
this happen to them too.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I was just gonna say that, you know, because you know,
you probably know as well as I do of all
the guests you had on your show. You know, it
doesn't matter if you're from Ostrolia or England or Italy
or the little backwoods towns in Tennessee. You know, I mean,
everybody has almost the same ghost story. So it doesn't
matter where you live, in a language to speak or whatever.

(22:11):
You have a story, you know. And I had one
guest on and she's telling me her story. I was like,
oh my god, you're going to think I told your
story from my book, you know, because what happened to
you had happened to me, and she's she's And I
thought that was so strange. You know, honestly, I can
send you my script and tell you that what I
have down here is what you went through, you know.

(22:34):
So it was a lot for a twelve year old boy,
I think, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
And I think also, you know, since it happened during
that time of your life, I think it is a
good thing to market it towards young adults because some
of them might be going through it now, especially kids
with abilities, because I know I grew up as an
impath and I've heard you talk about being an impact
as well, And I think part of the reason why
we experience those things as kids, I think it is
when that that ability is starting to ramp up. Like

(23:00):
you said, it only happened in those years, but maybe
when you moved out of there. You were kind of
settled in those abilities, so it wasn't as crazy. You
weren't attracting. I like to I like to liken it
to us. You know, a lighthouse in the dark, right.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
You know. I was like, I don't go out and say, okay,
come to me, come to me. It doesn't work right,
you know, But I can say that. I mean a
couple of times since then, i've and I say that
I'm not just like, I'm not a medium, but I
can you You probably can't contest it. You know, you
can go somewhere and you know you don't need your equipment.

(23:33):
You know for a fact that there there's something there. Yeah,
and that's not just like my stepdad said. You know
it was a tree pounding against the wall. It's a
car going down the street. That's a light you've seen
across the wall. Sometimes, Yeah, that's right, that's true. But
when you know it's not, I mean, it's hard to like.
Last year went on on and uh, I actually went

(23:55):
to the gentleman's house because he wanted to be on
my show. But he didn't want to do the zoom thing. Right.
He to me to come to his house. Because his
house was extremely haunted. I said, okay, you know I
had travel like sixty sixty miles went down to his house,
and it was I tell you what that that that
house was, I got out of their mouths. I'll tell
you what I was. I would say it was probably

(24:15):
worse than the house I was in I grew up in,
because it was it was. It was like I he
called it a funhouse because the steps all kind of
angled going up the stairs, like they weren't flat, they
were just angled up. So it made it tough going
up the steps and coming down. Are you going to
fall on your ass? You know? Right? And but the
steps were angled up. The one side of the wall

(24:37):
was angled down, the other side it was angled up.
It did look like a funhouse. But what he was
telling me was they moved the house there with the
team of horses on a bunch of logs and back
in late seventeen hundreds, early eighteen hundreds. I'm thinking it
was built on Indian barrel grounds because when he dug
is filled out for the garden, he unearthed some Indian

(25:00):
artifacts and some bones. So I'm thinking that could be,
you know, uh, with the spirits, you know, anytime you
put a house on top of a body that you
know couldn't.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, you're also digging and disturbing things you shouldnt be disturbing.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right, you know. And like I said before, i'd never
call anybody but coming on my show crazy, you know. Yeah,
I'm asking them to show the share their story because
I've never seen a UFO. I've never seen bigfoot, but
you know these people that have, I'm not going to
say they haven't when they could tell me, well, you
never had that experience in your house. Just like the

(25:36):
kid in my book, Alex. You know, he's one of
my best friends, you know, And I'm like, why don't
you and we were playing in the band together, why
don't you come over to my house when we rehearse
at my house? Well, I can't. I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I knew it wasn't because if he knew the houses, well,
it turned out he didn't because he didn't want to
share your story where he was having connections with UFOs. Yeah,
you know, a mental to let you know and what
he's seen, what his brother seeing his cousins seen. So
I can't call him crazy. I can't say that didn't happen,

(26:09):
you know, Uh, because a lot of things he told
me back then. When I have these guests come on
my show to this day, they tell me what he
told me. What are you fifty years ago? Yeah, and
it's happening, you know So. I mean, who am I
to say your your story is not true? And that's
one thing I don't I don't really care for what
people think of me. I would like to have, you know,

(26:31):
somebody explain to me, you know, why this happened to her, Yeah,
or why certain events happened that just they shouldn't have happened,
you know so, and that's what I'm looking for. It
back basically as a twelve year old could That's why
I had a connection with my one teacher, even though
everybody thought she was nuts in school, because he's seen
little green men and she we all thought she was

(26:52):
out there. And then my one friend said, how can
you call her crazy when she basically almost has the
same story.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
You have, right right?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I mean really, I mean she sees people that you
don't see. You see people that people can't see. Yeah, so,
and she's the one who actually I give in contact
with that basically said my house had more than one spirit.
So yeah, you know, it's all who you come across
and what's led in your path on the way, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, my favorite stories are here are from the people,
especially when I do conventions and things like that and
meet and greets and things like that. They'll come up
to you and they'll say, I don't believe in ghost
but here's my ghost story. Because they don't want to.
They want to preface it with that so you don't
think they're crazy. And I just wanted to tell them,
and I don't because I don't want to. I want
to hear their story and I don't want to make
them nervous, but I want to tell them I wasn't there.

(27:43):
I don't know. I don't want you to dis credit anything,
you know, like you're saying, I don't want to discredit
my stories and say, well, you're not an impath, you know,
when I know what I've been through and so but
I love that because people for so long, people would
have been looked at like they're crazy, and like we're
talking about earlier, it's a lot more accepted now. But
I get a lot of people, even with bigfoot stories,
still come and want to tell me Bigfoot stories and
be like, I don't really believe in Bigfoot, but this

(28:04):
is what I saw. And I'm like, well, I think
you saw Bigfoot, you know, so you probably should believe
in Bigfoot. Now that's like a.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Friend of mine, you know, he goes hunting, you know,
he goes up in the Alaska and they drop him
off and this wilderness for and they go in with
what they call the airplane that we call it goes
on water told of water and yeah, drops them off
and they then the wilderness. They pick him up two
weeks later. Well, you're on your way. You're on your own, dude.
I mean you got to hunt your own food, you
got to do all. You know, You're you're really uh,

(28:32):
you're really live in a life as a off the grid. Yeah.
And he never believed in this stuff. Man, he never
believed in anything paranormal. I'll tell you when he came
back and was telling me, I got to tell you something.
I don't want you to put this on your podcast.
I don't want I just want to share it between
you and me. I'm not want to see his name,

(28:54):
so he won't care. But it was like, uh, he said,
he's seen baby bigfoot. So it was like and I
thought I saw her laughing in snow. Hear me out. Man.
We all we couldn't all sleep. And there was like
seven or eight of them. They couldn't all sleep in
the cabin, so some had to sleep outside in the tent.
So whoever draw the short stick, I guess right. So

(29:17):
he said, they've heard some stuff, you know. They heard
some like they've seen a big light. First in the
middle of the wood. It's like a huge light. And
I said, what the hell is that general, because you're
out the wilderness. There was no light, you know. So
they went and checked it, couldn't see nothing. They came
back with the tent and then they heard some like
some ruffling of branches and stuff. And then his tent

(29:38):
opened up and it was like a little like he said,
if you ever seen like these images, like a big
big foot. It was like a little kid, but he
was like a big foot.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
And then he heard and when the mother came out
of the woods, I'm guessing this month was a bigger
one came out of the woods, and the other one
started shooting at him from the cabin. So he said,
I don't know if we hit anybody, any of them,
but they just ran off. So when we went back,
the light with the light kind of faded. So I
don't I don't know when I heard this. One guest

(30:09):
coming on my share show a couple of years ago,
he asked me a question if I thought bigfoot and
ufools were connected. I didn't know how to answer that
because I never was hit with that before. So as
you know, I don't know. It sounds it's interesting because
you know, usually when there's abundance of bigfoots or uphoes
that they're they're kind of together or around the water

(30:31):
or near water. So that's one theory I had, you know.
And then so he was I'm just telling you, man,
what I seen was not a kid dressed up and
I costume. It was actually like a half human, half
eight type of thing that was trying to just opened
up our tent opening and he I don't know if

(30:54):
he touched his other guy's foot or how that happened.
I thought, well, will come up and that he's jumped
jumped up, and that little one ran all soon's a
big one came out and he said, I just want
to I just want to share that with you, you know, yeah,
and I'm like, you know, how do you how do
you answer it? I don't I'm thinking, okay, you know,

(31:16):
and if this is a person who would never into
this day, he doesn't believe in, but he he knows
what happened that night.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Right right. Yeah. And I've been asked that that Bigfoot
question too. If I think they're a real creature, there's
something you know, extraterrestial or interventional. And I go back
to some of the Native American legends. The Cherokee legend
about Bigfoot is that they walked in two worlds, so

(31:43):
they believe they were physical beings, but they could also
go to the spirit room, so like another dimension. And
that was kind of and that was kind of to me.
He kind of sums it up the way that Bigfoot
can disappear. People follow tracks for so long and they
just poof, they're gone, you know, things like that. Also,
I think one of the things I've come up with
talking to different Bigfoot researchers and stuff and talking about
time slips and all the other paranormal is why caldn't

(32:06):
it be a time slip that we're seeing not just Bigfoot,
but also ghost you know, sometimes seeing ghosts and things.
Why can't that be a time slip. We don't go
poke a bear in the ass in the woods to
make sure it's real, But it could be a time slip,
you know, right right?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Well, you know, sometimes you get your four eleven cases.
I had heard that one guest yet on you have
you have quite a few times. I can't think of his.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Name, Steve Stalkton.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yes, I love I do, man. He had some really
great stories and actually that's what turned me on the
four loven because I heard your show. I did some
research on these for eleven the cases. You know, I'm thinking,
I mean, what happened? I mean, who's to say that's
not inner dimensional threshold being? I mean, because these people,

(32:54):
like the one kid on your show, I listened to
another one. The kid was like what three miles away
in a matter of five minutes? Yeah, and there's no
way he could have made it that far. Yeah, So
how did he get from point A to point B
that quick? And he was? You know? That fascinates to me.
And I don't know how those wur Twore eleven cases

(33:17):
are connected with Bigfoot, you know, yeah? Or or is
it something else as a extratrustril being.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, there are a few that have big food, you know, right, yeah, yeah.
One that comes to mind having here in East Tennessee
back in the fifty or sixties, the Dennis Martin case
is a famous missing person case. Dennis Martin was three
or four years old and he's playing hide and seek
with his brothers and friends at this campsite on the

(33:47):
mountain in the mountains, and his dad saw him and
he kind of hid behind a bush and then he's
never seen again. But at the same time, there was
a family on down the mountain that was looking for
wildlfe life, and so they have binoculars and they're looking,
you know, through this tree clearing on top of the mountain,
down this valley and stuff, and they saw what they
described as like a hairy looking man with what looked

(34:10):
like a body a kid over his shoulder, walking up
the mountain. And that correlation that that they told that
to the FBI and to the people, but nobody ever
put it two and two together until many years later.
That was that big foot that kidnapped Dennis Martin, because
they I mean, that's what they described was that it was,
you know, what looked like a bigfoot creature with a
person over his shoulder. So, and that kid was never found,

(34:33):
no trace of him was ever found to this day.
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, that's what I like about my podcast. I'm sure
you do yourself, you know, you learn, you learn things
on there from something you didn't know before, you know.
So I'm a constantly learning on here, you know. Yeah,
I had to. I guessed on how they called the
bigfoot wood buggers. Yeah, you know, so I had never
heard of a wood bogger, and I'm like, okay, man,

(34:57):
I never heard that.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
That's a that's a palachin thing. That's where you get up.
That's where we get boogie monster from.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Men.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, it's it's a shortening of wood boogers, the boogeymen.
And yeah, that was the wood boogers are gonna come
get you if you don't behave you know, in East Tennessee.
But uh yeah, not just eat Tendency, but the Appalachian
Mountains into North Carolina, South Carolina and down in Georgia.
But uh yeah, a lot of the stories come from

(35:27):
from there, a lot of the folklore surrounding things like that.
It's it's interesting to look into, Like I said, Boogeyman
comes from Woodbooger. But the vernacular even changes with you know,
we have the Tennessee wild Men at one time that
even I've even found newspaper articles about. And it's a
bigfoot type creature but more man than than beast, look

(35:49):
more man like and uh. But yeah, all these different
these different legends and and stories and but uh, the
thing I found fascinating was they put in the news
paper back in like the eighteen forties, eighteen fifties, they
were serious about this, like keep your kids and your
women and your animals inside at night or the Tennessee
Wildman is going to come snatch them up. You know.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Uh. Yeah. It's like people that paint their houses, but
they haint blue. You know. Yeah, yeah, someone paint their
whole house with it.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I've seen it, you know. And because my family
mostly almost all the coolies. My family live in Alabama,
so and I just know from traveling from my hold,
Alabama through Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, you know, there's a
lot of blue houses. I mean yeah, blue shutters, blue porches,
and I know why it's there, you know, And it

(36:38):
was yeah, the book, you know, the Haint Blue team
from my grandmother. You know it has a haint.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Blue Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I heard that. Yeah, like what was that? You know?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Right? Yeah, the tenor year old house that we just bought,
there was an old back door that used to be
I'm guessing used to be a small covered porch and
it was probably a servant entrance at one time, but
it had been boarded up. So we ended up taking
the door in, the window, the transit window out, but
the whole inside of that was painted haint blue. And

(37:10):
that's why I'm pretty sure it was an outside porch
at one time. Because they wouldn't painted the inside haint blue,
it would have been an outside porch. And yeah, that
would have been with the spiritualist movement.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
But also people, did you know the house was kind
of when you bought it? That why you bought it?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, we were pretty sure when we when we went
through it that it was active, very active. And we
also talked to the neighbors and they were talking about
the previous owners having experiences. But then when we asked
the previous owner, the owner we bought it from, he
wouldn't tell us anything. His wife wasn't at the closing
because they live in California now, but he told us
with a poker face that I didn't believe that he

(37:50):
had never had the experiences, which everybody that's been in
the house has had experiences in the past six months.
So even my mother and father in law, he don't
do anything with the paranormal, you know, working on the house,
they've had experiences. But the neighbor said that his wife
would come over and tell them all the time because
she worked from home and they owned the house for
eight years and so their house tied.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, oh yeah, so you're you're out, You're okay with
the what's in there?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Oh yeah, yeah. We've had teams. The Nighthouse, the Nighthouse
as it's called that we bought is it's over two
are of years old and it has a rich, rich
history and it's always been a residence, so people have
always lived and died there. It's never been abandoned, and
you know, all the energy of people living there and
dying there, and it's it's good and it's welcoming. I mean,
even my house right here that I live in outside

(38:36):
of Nashville is haunted, but I think that's more so
because I'm haunted, you know, with the old Imbath things.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Like I asked that guy last year I was in
his house. I said, well, why don't you have somebody
move these spirits on? You know yeah, and he said
he didn't want to, you know. Yeah, he was out
of it about that, you know, because he didn't tell us, right,
you know, they were here before me, And who am
I to say, this isn't your house? And right? So
I thought, okay, you know, so he's learning, learning the

(39:04):
how to love with it?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, at the nighthouse is I
think there's a couple of resonant spirits that are intelligent.
There's definitely a lot of residual as well sounds of
furniture moving things like that, but there's definitely some intelligent there.
And I look at it like who am I to
upset the balance? Like I don't know why they're still here,

(39:28):
and it may be their choice, may not. It may
be the process they have to go through to move on,
you know, I have to go through a certain death
process or to admit to themselves are dead or something
before they move on. So I'm not going to go
in with anybody and say, hey, move these these spirits
on because I don't know what the you know, none
of us know what the deal is over there, so

(39:48):
maybe I'm fucking up karma or something, you know, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
So you know, the uh, well we were moving out
of that house, I'd say, you brought that up up,
you know, the you thought you owner pret was on
her had to know, right, yeah, the landlord of this
house when we went out. I still remember to this
day because I was so happy this dude got my
He he he agrees with me, you know, because he

(40:15):
that's my mother, you know. He well, first he said, yeah,
he thanked her for staying there for as long as
we did because he with great tenants and blah blah blah.
She said, well, I'm the kids are happy to move
because they claim the house is hon And she's laughing
about like, you know, I'm going to look this off
because you know, she's making fun of me right in
front of this guy, you know, And he said, oh, man,

(40:35):
but the house is haunted. I'm surprised you stayed here
as long as you did. Yeah, And uh, I'm like, yeah, sweet,
you know, and she's and she's after driving away. My
mom says like, man, that dude is weird. I'm thinking
you still don't believe him. And he owns the home, yeah,
and so, but my thing he is. I don't know

(40:58):
it was like this back then, but I thought they
had to tell you if the house was handed or
not if you're moving in, if they know it is,
they're supposed to disclose that.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I think there are certain states. I think there's I
want to say twenty something states that have that as
a regulation for relatives and if you're at least in
the property. But it's not I don't think it's everywhere
in Tennessee. I don't think that's you don't have to
be that in Tennessee, I know. But yeah, occasionally you
see those those posts on Facebook of a for sale

(41:30):
sign that says not haunted on top of it. You know.
So uh, but yeah, there are some states.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah. I think it was hg G TV or one
of those yeah shows. I don't know if you've seen
the house was haunted and they had that crew across
the street, was lented and all these signs are showing
that the stuff happened. Ever, make them old jokes along
the way and during a show, you know, and they said,
I wonder if this house was haunted, you know as well.

(41:55):
Nobody's nobody said nothing to me, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, so yeah, And there are certain states that really
have to tell you if there's a murder in the
house or suicide anything with that too, like that just
closed all of that, like anything weird about the house
or history. But Tennessee, no, they just sell your house,
you know, they don't tell you anything. And even Kentucky
because the nighthouses in Kentucky, and we were just lucky
that he we asked a question, he somewhat answered it,

(42:19):
you know, to his wife had had lots of experiences,
but he never had any experiences, you know. But but
I've also had people on Facebook message me too and say, hey,
have you heard the piano play by itself yet? Have
you heard the ghost parrot? Well, now I have because
I've caught it on camera. You know, there's a camera
sitting right on top of the piano, and I've heard
the piano play, you know, sitting off the camera and

(42:39):
a ghost parrot as well, because one of the families
had of a call parrot for you know, fifty sixty years.
But so it's interesting to have to get people message
me now to where I guess the people that owned
it before wasn't very receptive to it.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Mm hmm. You're married. You're married, right, yeah, yeah, so
what do they think think about what I'm on the paranormal?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, Roger, he could not care less. He couldn't care less.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
He really, I was gonna say, I was gonna say,
because uh uh, either either he's with you or ah,
he's doesn't doesn't believe. Like my wife, she's not she's
a nomal. I wouldn't say she's a non believer. She
just doesn't like the paranormal. Yeah, if I go somewhere,

(43:29):
she knows it's going to be one of these trips.
She won't go. You know. Well, he's coming with me
to this paracon I'm doing Saturday. So I'm surprised, you know.
So he says, okay, okay, cool, I mean you're gonna
protect me raight.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
So yeah, yes, sir, No, he doesn't. He doesn't care
about it at all. He doesn't mind that I do it.
He we first got it, we were together almost twenty years,
and uh, he didn't believe any of it at first,
and so I was kind of the first couple of years.
I didn't really tell Hm about the impath thing or
until we were gonna go on a trip and I

(44:02):
told him, I got a bath feeling about this. We're
gonna go to Chattanooga for a weekend, and I staid,
I got bath feeling about this. We don't need to go.
Something's gonna happen. He would not listen to me. He's like,
you're just having anxiety or whatever. It's raining and storming,
We'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
No.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
We ended up having a major wreck, and locally, neither
one of us were hurt, but the carp the truck
flicked upside down and all those shit on the interstate.
And after that he was like, I'm gonna start listening
to you, you know. And so it's kind of snowball
from there with the impath shit, and then with me
investigating for so many years because I started investigating when
I was a teenager, so long before me and him
got together, and and so he's just and then with

(44:37):
our house being haunted, he's seen and heard stuff here,
and you know, he was on board to buy the
Nighthouse to make it not only a business, but to
the house has always been a residence, so we wanted
to share the history as well as the hauntings because
this is it's the oldest house in that county still
standing and in that city of Hawkinsville. So he was
on board with that. But he's had plenty of experiences

(44:58):
at the Nighthouse too in the past six months, and
like I said, his parents have had experience and stuff too.
But he's not on board with seeking it out. He
does not want to. He's not there when anybody investigates.
I'm the only one there. I spend the night there
with him and stuff. But he's experienced it and become
a believer.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So maybe did he say that he see or hear anything, Well,
you weren't home, you know, and you know, explained his
his what he experienced.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, occasionally, if I'm not here at our house, he'll
tell me this happens so and so. Or if he
gets up because I work from home with the podcast
and the other the night house and stuff, so he
gets up before me and goes to work early, and
he'd be like, yeah, I saw that damn shadow figure
behind me in the mirror in the bathroom this morning
or something, you know, or I heard him knocking, you know,
And then even at the nighthouse. He's experienced stuff by himself.

(45:43):
When he's been in the house by himself. He didn't
know he's in the house by himself when he heard knocks.
He shut a door. He's locking up, and he shut
the door between the dining room kitchen, and you hear
three knocks on it, and he thought I locked one
of us in there, and he opens the door and
when not in there, and he sees me, my brother,
and my brother's girlfriend out on the front lawn or
on the side lawn, and nobody's in the house. And

(46:03):
so you know, he hardly locked up and came outside.
But yeah, he he kind of doesn't have a choice,
like I've just drugged into this paranormal life. He did
grow up in a two hundred year old farmhouse, but
nothing intelligent. I don't think they always heard footsteps of
and down steps and doors up and closing, but it
was it sounds like it was always residual stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, I mean, I've never had since we moved out
of house. I didn't have any other experiences in any
other houses we lived in, except to someone the one
we're living in now. And it's just something small, like
you know, uh, maybe the three years ago. I we
know that the lady that we bought this house off
of she died in those houses. But that didn't bother me,

(46:44):
you know. But the U she was a heavy smoker.
So they say she smoked four to five packs a
day and so did her husband. So my wife and
I we don't smoke, but I know, you know, I
grew up with it. So it's like, you know the
difference between sig smoke and somebody blowing smoke in your face,
right yeah. So and it was like I'm sitting in

(47:05):
the in the dining room and I just smelt the
whole pufflic in my face. Wow, And I'm like, wow,
you know, it happened. It just kept happening, you know.
And I told my wife, boss, uh, maybe you don't
have too many paranormal shows, you know. And well then
what about a year ago She's sitting there and she
smelled and her name was Greta. So my woye said, okay, Greta,

(47:28):
take it outside. They just quit. Yeah you know, uh,
but I mean people have said they smell, you know,
it could be a perfume or cigar smoke or whatever.
You know, you can still smell that smell. I just
wonder if you ever smelled that, like a like a
perfume or something and doing an investigation.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Even in my own house, both
of my parents had passed away, and my mom wore
Jovon musk. And my parents were my grandparents. They adopted
me when I was like two months old. Uh, And
so when I say they were older, and so she
wore Jovon musk, which is kind of now like an
old lady perfume, it's not, you know, nothing like the
perfumes that when we're now. But occasionally and our and

(48:12):
I inherited their house, but the whole house has been
gutted with like new drywall and everything, so there's nothing
for the perfume smelled of stuck in the house, you
know what I'm saying. And so, but occasionally I'll be
walking through my house and I'll just get whiff of it,
and I'll turn back around and try to smell it again,
but now, and it'll be a strong whiff too, like
enough to catch my attention when my mind's not even
I mean, in the middle of the day, my mind's
not even on anything with that, But I just take

(48:33):
it as her saying hi, yeah, and other investigations. I
smelled cigar smoke and things like that too, just out
of nowhere, especially in some older houses where you know,
you're in the men's parlor or whatever. They made deals
and they smoke cigars, you know, in there, and occasionally
you get a you'll get a whiff of something like that.
The nighthouse. We actually the other day, I was taking
another paranormal author and investigator, Steve Asher, through and he

(48:57):
walked over towards one of the windows and caught a
smell of perfume. And I didn't really smell it. His
girlfriend smelled it. He smelled it real quick. But then
two days later, I'm up there, turn the lights on
and things in the in the parlor and I smelled
it where he did for a brief second. But there's
nothing out there, you know, with the perfume smell. So
that was interesting that he smelled that, and that's the

(49:19):
first time that's happened in the house. But for me
to smell it and then validate, you know, his experience
was kind of cool. Yeah, the fenom smells are interesting,
but yeah, when it happens here at my house, I
just I just think it's my mom saying Hi, checking
in on me. So getting back to the book, I
will say this one thing about the bought that one

(49:40):
story I didn't really touch on too many.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I mean people having on their shows. You know. I
was thinking about this, you know, the other day because
I did that book signing last weekend. Yeah, I have
a story in their work because my grandmother said they
come in threes. That always bothered me, like somebody, you know,
our loves kind of die with another week or so. Yeah,
you that they come in too, and they they did.
You know, well I had two. I thought. One my

(50:06):
my friend in high school. He was my lab partner
and we would joking and laugh that day in school. Again,
I never never thought he would have any type of problem. Uh,
Christian know somebody you know and he said, how about hoo,
come at so and so's house to night. We're having
a party over the pizza and beer. And I said, oh, yeah, okay,

(50:26):
you know, and what sixteen year old wouldn't you know?
So well, maybe my might hook up, you know, we'll
see what's going on. And we were sitting at McDonald's
that night and uh, and we've seen all these parmics
come running in in McDonald's and they were so upset.
One the one she even threw up in the middle

(50:47):
of McDonald's. Wow, and like she never seen anything like
this before. You know where he actually laid across the
road tracks right behind McDonald were sitting Wow, and uh
the train ran over him. Well, uh, he's And I'm like,
I put that in a book because he was. He
was one of the three. And I never put his
name in there because I didn't want to. I don't

(51:09):
want to even give him affectations because I just thought
I couldn't do that. I put him in there, but
I ain't give him a name. Well, this past weekend,
I'm doing that book signing and a lady walks up
to me and she buys one of my books and
she says, uh, the kid that laid across those rowad tracks.

(51:29):
I'm very glad you didn't put his name in that book.
And I thought, so, you have already read this book.
She said, I got the I got the E book.
I want the okay, you know, cool, thank you, you
know yeah, And she says, uh, I don't. I can't remember.
She had her head down. She just talking to me.
Kind of the muffled. And I don't know if she
was related to him or she knew somebody it was
related to him, And so that was very personal to her.

(51:52):
And she says, I'm glad you put him in there
because it brought back a lot of so many memories.
But and that even took them by surprise because he
didn't have any suicidal tendence. You know, you wouldn't think
if he tried just before, or he was just depressed
or whatever. He was none of that. I mean, even
to though him was cool. He was always the one

(52:13):
that was the one, you know, like the leader, you know. Yeah,
And I never I never would have thought that. So
that that kind of struck me too, that that you
never know who what story in that book will affect
somebody the most that actually went through something like that.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Right right, whether whether they knew that guy specifically or not,
or they went through a similar experience. And I woke up,
like in the middle of the night one night, young
I'm thinking about this, and you know, and I just
woke up like a dead sweat, you know, and I
had this I guess it was a dream, you know,
And it was like and he was standing at in front.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Of me like say, you know, thank you. I woke
I woke up in the middle of the night, was
just so, what's wrong with you? I just dreaming about
the chapter in the book, you know, so you know,
but uh so you know that was that was I
really loved them to them four weekends there, four nights.
I was there because I met so many interesting people.
So I've had other authors come on the show and

(53:08):
they would tell me, you know, don't go out and
do books signing. Don't go do this. You know. You
know you're gonna sit there for hours. You're not going
to sell nothing and go home depressed. And I'm you know,
I just like to talk to people, meet people. They
don't buy the books, that's fine, you know. I was
expecting to go there to sell my books. I was,
you know, have a good time and sell a few copies. Fine,
you know, and uh so see you He was telling me, well,

(53:32):
just go ahead, go online. That's just put them on
the amazonlmost if you just sit back and expect your
books to kind of sell, that's not going to happen, right,
I mean, you got to go into some type of
footwork or some type advertising. Yeah, you know I was
going to ask you this question. I get your input
on this, uh in a book. When we jumped the
train and we went, we ended up we were going

(53:54):
to go to Kent State the protest the shootings there,
and that's only like maybe twenty five miles from my house.
We ended up going instead of going west, we went
east in the train because it was at the time
we had train trained that went in Warren box car
and passenger train. But we were on a box car
and we went west, thinking, well, the kid we're with,

(54:19):
he knows the train yard, he had PaperWorks where we're going. Well,
we end up in New York. It was Kent, New York,
not Kent, Ohio. So uh well, long story short, we
come across this man in the in the New York
Uh he called himself box car, box car billy back
start remember, And when we went when they finally the

(54:40):
rest of the people in that train yard came and
took us back to basically interrogates so, what what's three
teenagers doing in our train yard? And because I had a
rash of burglaries all kind of stuff happened back then,
and thinking we were those burglars. So now We're we
just two stupid k three stupid kids. He got to
jumped to the train and ended up in New York
with this guy. We went back to the depot and

(55:02):
the guys starting to getting mad at us because we
keep talking about Billy Baxter. You know, he said, enough
enough of this, just enough of it. You all know
that Billy Baxter died thirty years ago. Yeah, I said,
maybe it's not the same guy we're talking about. Right. Well,
then the secretary was working at shift to night. She
comes out holding a like a eight by eleven picture

(55:25):
of Billy Baxter that she had down on the wall
because he died an explosion in a train yard like
in nineteen thirty. Well, no, this is what I seen.
The man we seen as Billy Baxter looked just like
that picture, but he was just older. So he wasn't
that thirty year old. He was a sixty year old. Now,

(55:45):
my aunt, of two things I could come up with,
is it's Billy Baxter that was still hanging around there
that was never caught, or he was the ghost of
Billy Baxter. Well, she claims that they they found his
boot when he was died an explosion there in nineteen thirty.
He worked there and they put a picture on the

(56:07):
wall and put picture in it all these years, so
he was known as box car Billy Baxer, and that's
how he introduced himself to us. He looked just like
that picture. My thing was, I never seen where a
ghost can age, you know. Well, I had a guest
on the other night when she was saying that, yes,
you know, they can change yourself into another, you know,
something else. You don't have to be the same person.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, yeah, kind of like a shape shifter.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Shape shift. So yeah, that was what I'm looking for,
a shape shapehifter. Yeah, so was he that? Was he
a shape shifter or was he just somebody else? But
he looked just like Billy Baxer and we just called
him that and that that was interesting, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah, I think in my experience, I think there are
some spirits with something like that. Maybe he was put
there as kind of a guardian for y'all to keep
you out of trouble.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
He definitely did.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
And also maybe he made himself look older so that
to disarm y'all, so you weren't scared of him, because
if he was a thirty year old you know, y'all
might have been worried about him robbing you were hurting
you or something, but an old man, you know what
I'm saying, uh a little less.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
He took the depot and it's like, you know, he
was taking care of us. He actually felt sorry for
us because he found out, you guys jumped the wrong
freaking train end up here, and so you're gonna get
your ass cake when your dad's gonna pick you up
to take young with a six hour right back to Ohio. Yeah,
And like I'm like, uh, it was just something that
I never forgot, you know, And uh so I added

(57:41):
that story into the book. I was going to take
it out, and uh, my boy, he said, not that's
a good story, you know that said's uh mean, yeah,
I mean we did so much that you guys says,
you guys jumped the train, and he went six miles
on this box and back then, you know, trains didn't
go thirty thirty five mile an hour through this town.
They went sixty seventy one hour. Yeah, so we're on

(58:03):
this train and it was like rock and rolling across
Pa and through the mountains, and it was uh and
then we got that and he stayed with us all
wait until the authorities came, right yeah, and we turned around,
you're gonna stick with it. We even ask him, you're
gonna stick with us, right, I mean, and tell him
that we we got here accidentally, you know, and he

(58:24):
never answer us. So we turned back around to look
at him. He was gone. So where did he go?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
You know?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
We it was just it wasn't just me. It was
me and my two buddies. We all three seen him. Yeah,
so we were all there and uh, unfortunately the other
two guys that was on a train with me A're
no longer here. But it was that was something, you know,
I like some of these stories. They would kind of order.
My sister would call me and say, did you put

(58:50):
this in your book? Because this is what happened? You
remember this one? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
and she's a preacher, she's she's ah, she was a
pretty tired, amouthist preacher.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Won't you talk about this stuff in church? You know?
You know, so I got my bosses too, you know,
I got answer to you, right right. I guess they
still can't talk about that. Yeah, like a Catholic church,
you know, it's a purgatory, you know, that would that
be the time that the spirit is still here?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I mean you don't know. I mean I don't know
if I would know.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
But yeah, yeah. And to me, like with all of
the mythology and angels and demon stuff, you figure the
Catholics would go with the ghost stuff too because it
fits right into their I don't want to say stories
because I'm not trying to find anybody, because you know,
if that's your religion, that's what you believe in, that's fine.
Also I'm the type of person that I'm agnostics. I

(59:43):
don't believe in any particular religion. But if there was
one religion, I would hope it be true, it would
be Catholicism because I love the room. I guess we
romanticize it too, the angels, demons fighting and like that
behind the scenes and you know, I guess. And one
of my favorite movies is Constantine with Karen Reeves. So
if that's the world that we live in, I want
to be a part of that, you know, Like that's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
One thing I'd like to talk about religion either, because
you know that really gets on the whole topic subject
I get email on, like you just blasted the Catholic Church. Well,
it's not that I'm blasting Catholic Church. I've had some
people on the show, like Bishop Long, you know, yeah,
and we've talked after the show, and the most stories
she told me after the show was so interesting. I
wish you would have put on the episode, you know, yeah,

(01:00:26):
because I had a question, like, you know, for the Catholics, mainly,
I mean because I always was told I had to
convert to Catholic to marry my wife. So you have
to be Catholic to be married in the Catholic Church.
So I remember them saying that they didn't believe in
this back then, being cremated, you know, you had to
be buried. Yeah, And I was asked. I just touched

(01:00:48):
on it with him, you know, he says, I don't
see a problem with cremation, only you have to make
sure you're all there, yeah, you know, and I it
took me back to when I went to investigation in
Erie Erie, PA. They have an eerie cemetery. That's the
name of the cemetery, Erie Cemetery, and I went there

(01:01:11):
to check out the vampire crypt that's there. There's a
myth on a vampire crypt But my thing was after
going to the cemetery, was say, the cemetery is built
in eighteen fifty or found in eighteen fifty, but you
come across the headstone of eighteen twenty five or seventeen
ninety nine, So how did that get there? If there

(01:01:33):
wasn't put there toy tune fifty, Well, then the ground
speak keep it. What I was talking to says, you'll
find out that these spots that are before that eighteen
fifty are very active because they would look like sually
you take your Sims family, you wanted to bring uncle

(01:01:53):
Charlie t you know, to that cemetery. If we're going
to take him from somebody else, someplace else, maybe you
didn't bring the whole body. Maybe there's a there's something
you left behind a while. Yeah, that was his theory,
you know, and uh that that led me to James Long,
you know, because you know, so there's some some people
I know personally that the family member was cremated. Something

(01:02:16):
they all want to have like a little locket of
this cremation. So now you're separating those ashes. Yeah, and
I know two of them right now. They're extremely have
problems on the house and they're where this locket is
or the boxes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Uh so I don't know that that that that ties
in anything, but you know, I just I love hearing,
you know, stories like that. You know, I never thought
about that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
You know. Yeah, I had James Long's Demonologists on but
great guy Greg gott I talked to you. He's also
apparent on Investigator and so we had a great conversation
about demonology and things like that because he's a real
deal demonologis see the Catholic Church to where there's not
many of them. What's his name, I think when you're
talking Bob Rich Rich Valdez something like that. I hate

(01:03:09):
that I'm butchering his name because he's a great guy.
But it's something along those you can go back. It
was of the episode last year. But he was a great,
great guy to talk to you about religion and the
difference between the demonic cases in paranormal and and he said,
you know, as a parent of Investigator, he's never come
across anything demonic, but as a demonologist he's dealt with
several cases of exorcisms and you know, and things like that.

(01:03:32):
But but yeah, I great got to talk to you
and especially the religious aspect of it, because of course
he's a religious guy and separating religion from the paranormala
and be an investigator. And I grew up in the
Bible belt, so I still here to this day from
Baptist or Church of Christ, that everything I do is demonic.
And one of my one of my best friends, she's
really religious, and she's like, do whatever you want to do,

(01:03:54):
but what you do is demonic. There's noose, things goes.
And I find it interesting because the entire Bible is supernatural.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
So you, like Bishop Long said, there's fifty eight fifty
eight exorcisms in the Bible. Yeah, Or you believe in
the Holy Spirit, right right right? You can't see him, yeah,
you can't touch him. Yeah, but you don't believe in
the house can be hot it or or if it is,
you have to get because it's because it's a devil.
It's to we're going to burning hell. Yeah, you know,

(01:04:23):
I grew up with that, you know. So, uh, that's
what I'm talking about in the in the early days,
in the early sixties, and you just didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, and uh they still kind of they still don't today,
even in churches. Yeah, not the ones i've been to
any way, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah, I haven't been any that they that they talk
about it. I don't go to church in urger basis either,
and haven't I don't think I've been putting in church
since I was eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
And like the old Indian, I like the Indian the
I think the Indigenous people have it right on the
spirituality because there's a difference put between spirituality, spirituality and Christianity,
a huge difference.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I like to like that in the and you know everything.
Who's to say that our God isn't the same god
for Muslims or Indians or uh, you know who's We
don't know? I mean. And I another thing is, you know,
the Bible is written by all men.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Right, uh, and it's been translated and changed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
What what the you know? I don't know. I don't
get in all that, but I do believe that the
I kind of stay off to those subjects, you know,
try to anyway, But a lot of times you have
to go to spirituality because of either you bring in
like a rekae or uh you know, reky master or

(01:05:44):
people like that to h do that type of rituals.
You know, Yeah, and what are you moving Really, what
do you moving in a spirit on time? After years?
You're you're agnostic? Agnostic? Okay, So I think I said
before it, you know, I had a on him. He's
his whole team, His whole team paranormal team, were all
agnostic and atheist because I had because I brought up

(01:06:07):
this subject. Do you believe you can move a spirit on?

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
And uh he said what are you moving on to?

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
And I said, well, Heaven or or wherever you know,
hell right, I mean that's always brought up. So when
he said, you're not moving on anywhere, you're you're killing
the spirit. So that was his thought. Yeah, well I've
had that more and more than more than the others,
saying you're move You're moving the spirit on to another realm.

(01:06:36):
I like that. Yeah, so is that realm Heaven? You know,
it's that realm Earth? I don't know, you know, so
you know that's a kind of another touchy subject, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, I respect all religions. I just be an agnostic.
I believe in something beyond us because I can wait
too much shit. Of course in the paranormal, but also
my own parents coming back and visiting in dreams and things,
And like I said, my mom with the perfume stuff,
and she's not around all the time, she's not stuck here,
you know, there's no need to move her on anywhere.
She's wherever she's supposed to be most of the time.

(01:07:08):
And yeah, that's my belief and I respect I respect
everybody's beliefs. I mean, you have your right to believe
in whatever. I just I'm more of a scientific minded person.
And I also I don't know who's right and who's wrong.
That's my biggest thing. And I don't know if the
Christians right, I know, if the Muslims are right, Buddhist
I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
In my in my.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Mind, it's a bit conceited if you are a certain
religion to say we have the answers and everybody else
is wrong. And when it's when. Religion to me is
kind of like the paranormal. None of us are experts
because you can't be an expert something you can't prove, I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Think of life's a lot of problem with the with
exorcisms and because everything all these TV shows they want
to make histories us an actually you know the devil, Yeah,
and it's not you know, I know the nine times,
all the ten I go to a place, you know,
like you were saying before, I think I think I
heard on your show. I want you to go to a

(01:08:01):
funeral and say, you know, oh he was such a
nice man. They like, no, he wasn't. He was an asshole. Yeah,
you know, you know, he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't
a nice guy at all. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
It's kind of like like the spirit. You know, you
can have a pissed off spirit, an angry spirit, an
ornery spirit. That doesn't make that doesn't make them demonic,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah. Yeah, My motto is if you're an asshole life,
probably gond be an ass on death, right right, right,
That's that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Yeah, used that a couple of times, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Yeah, yeah, Rich valdez I was right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I did not ri right, I know it was. I
know that the valdez I did him the first name.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah, so I did. I just give it to make
sure because like I said, he's a great guy. He's
a great guest to talk too. I need to have
him back on. But uh, we just kind of scratched
the surface on what we were talking about with him.
But uh, yeah, I found the whole thing fascinating and
like I said, each their own. Uh, it's to me,
it's the same as like we were talking about earlier
with with ghost stories, like things that happened to you.

(01:08:57):
You don't want somebody else to discredit you know, you're
what's happened to you. And so I'm not going to
discredit somebody's religion because I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Finds out when you're when you're doing like a talk
or speaking a lecture, and you know, if somebody sticks
around it, you know they're the ones that was during
that whole time you're talking. You know, you know it's
a bunch of bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I don't believe in that. No, no, you know. But
at the end of what I did want and the
I forget where was that anyway, he came up and
he he said he was he stuck wrong. The longest
I think there was answers he wanted me to try
to clear I can't clarify it, man, I you know,
I'm not up. I don't play if anybody is an expert,

(01:09:36):
I says, But because what are you an expert in?
I mean the paramormals, the unexplained. You can get close
with some of the equipment, I said, but you know,
the I just tell the story, you know, and if
you could take for what it is, what it's worth, you know. Uh,
I'm not out here to puff myself up or I
got told on this other show that tonight. I wish

(01:09:59):
it would never happen to me. Really, I mean, I
wish I never had that experienced guy. I wish I
could have said a regular twelve year old kid went
to school hung out, and you know, and as soon
as you talk one thing about the house to the
wrong person, actually you know that the whole school your
label is crazy coolly. You know. Yeah, I don't. I
don't really care. I don't really cry. They know I don't.

(01:10:20):
I don't care. I never got Oh yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Also, reading the book, it seems like you're grounded your
entire teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Oh my god. You know that maybe my mother looked
like she was a bad person. She wasn't. You know,
she would have more than time, more time than not.
She had my back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah. Just about every chapter you get grounded to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Mom, give me a break. I just I'm just coming
up coming off and being grounded, right, you know, that's
a big the whole summer. I was like in my room.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
You know one of the stories you got grounded for
and you got your sister grounded for it too, is
And I found this fascinating because I never heard a
story like this. But you had laid down on the
couch and took your glasses off, and you heard what
sounded like a body falling down the stairs, like a
person falling down the stairs, and to end up knocking
a picture off the wall and breaking your glasses.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Right right, I imagine where you're sitting, okay, and across
the room the other side, the focus part of your
room is where that rumble came down the stairs. Yeah, okay,
So you're laying on this side, and I put my
glasses up on top of the back of the couch.
So I just laid my head and I kissed my
head on my hand across my head. Then I heard

(01:11:28):
like the rumble and took my hand off, and at
the same time, this picture came off the wall and
hit my glass on the back of the couch and
broke the right in half. I'm thinking, most thinking to myself,
I'm I gonna explain this to my mother right that
somebody felt and that tumbling you heard down the stairs
was like like a body fumbling down the steps. That's

(01:11:50):
what that was the exact sound of. If you can
imagine a body falling down the stairs, that's what it
sounds like. And I says, I told my sister, I'm
going to tell my mom that ghosts fell on the chair.
She came in the back doors and as soon as
I said that, so it's like, yeah again, now I'm
grown it again. For we're trying to get my sister into,

(01:12:10):
you know, live for me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Yeah. Yeah, just said something about your pillow fight, and
your mom's like, now you're lying on your line.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah, you know, and she brought that story she she
brought up and she tells us about your classes being
broken as a picture. I said, I forgot about that one.
There were so many things that, you know, it was
so constant, so I probably, you know, it's something just
took forever to come back to me. You know. Then,
like the part where we were shot at in the Crudge,

(01:12:38):
I was going to ask you about that story to
really that one of all those stories in the book,
that one affected me the most because you're you know,
you imagine trying to shoot you at those shot and
you're gonna kill you. Yeah, this is this is a
real person trying to give me real and I'm getting
history on this. I'm now going to the library and
getting the newspaper article from that house from that weekend. Yeah,

(01:12:59):
I want that article because it really did happen. And
so my thinking is, if somebody blows out your door,
your garage with the shot gun, and and then they
do it second shot, it blows out the glass windows,
I mean there's a big hole in that garage or
right right, My next thought was he's going to come

(01:13:19):
in and kill us. Yeah, and uh, luckily the neighbor
next door, she's the one that yelled out the police
run the way, he got in this car and took off.
Well that next morning when I get we go but
done in the basement or into the garage. Can you imagine,
like if you're looking behind yourself, from the one corner

(01:13:40):
of your wall to the other corner of the wall
is all peppered with buckshot. So how is it that
you didn't get shot? Right because you're standing right in
front of all of that. You're right behind that garage door,
and not me or Mike was in the garage and Alex.
So it's me and Mike Canal likes, there's the three
of us. Alex was actually Alex wasent right in front

(01:14:02):
of me because he's between me and that door. And
right before that that shotgun blast went off. We all
three seemed like a like a shadow figure move across
all Could that been his shadow and a car went
down the street. I don't know, yeah, but I do
know that that shadow figure went across us, and when
he fired them two shots, we weren't hit with one pallet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
So that's why I say my guardian So I'm thinking
I have some type of guardian angel, because all through
this book, I mean, things should have happened where I
could have getten been hurt or killed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Yeah. And then and then the one story where you're
going to go with your uncle to Woodstock to the
famous Woodstock concert.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, we never got a talent for that one. That one,
that one, that one was that was wild yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's that was a wild one. And ours blew yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Yeah yeah, And people had to read that. But yeah,
all four tired blue at once in the van and
you'll just have to read the book to get the
rest of that story.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
But uh yeah, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
But what I found fascinating too is I like the
way that you wrote it because I'm the type person
that I think the journey is just as important as
the destination. So the way that you tell the stories
leading up in each chapter to the to the ghost
part that happened, I think it is just as important
to understand why the ghost part may have happened, you

(01:15:28):
know what I'm saying. So, so especially with like the
van story like we're talking about, you have to know
the story to know why what happened happened, and and
like even just conversations that led to paranormal things happening
and telling that backstory. So I find those stories fascinating
as well, along with the paranormal Like. It's because because

(01:15:50):
like you're talking about, you, you know, you did some
crazy stuff as a teenager, and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Right, ye know like that I wasn't a perfect kid.
I mean we did some rough shit. I mean, you know,
I think, what boy, doesn't you go back and you
smoking your cherry cigars? And we had the bounds for
him back then, you know, so yeah, uh, you know,
so we were always getting in some type of trouble.
I think I can understand my mom wanted to put
me into the boys home, you know. But you know,

(01:16:14):
I wasn't the perfect kid, you know. But I'll tell
you what you know. So I think that might have
made a little even harder to believe me, because I
lied myself out of so many different situations I got
in trouble with. Yeah, so I could understand some of
the time she she did grow me, you know. I
was like, well, I deserve that, you know. Yeah. I

(01:16:34):
even thought even I take the part where she was
looking to put me away for after that one incident,
I'm thinking I wasn't afighting. It's like I deserve to go.
I got out some type of problem that I'm getting
in too much trouble, you know. And so I'm I'm
I can understand her. I didn't I after reading a book,

(01:16:56):
I'm like, man, I kind of like put her out
to be like the bad I didn't mean to do that,
you know. Uh, she guess she wasn't. Here's a perfect
I mean, she's a beautiful one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
I didn't get that sense at all. She was a
concern good No, I think she was a concern parent
and didn't want you to get in trouble, you know.
So later on in life, did she believe you and
your sister?

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
No, she never, never, she denied it, you know the
whole time. I thought the time when the bat flaw
of the attic and got into her hair, we heard
we heard a rumbling up up in the attic, you know,
and it was like a kid running across the floor.
I mean, it's not a bat. So he had somebody
running across that attic. If you're sitting in your house,
you got an addict, you know, when somebody's walking across

(01:17:40):
that floor. And we heard that. I heard that, My
sister heard that. Uh then my mom and dad heard
that as late, because they're at the attic doors right
above their bed in their bedroom. So as we ran
out into the hallway, figure, what the hell is this shit?
You know, and my dad says, he give me a flashlight.
I'm gonna get up in the attic, you know. So

(01:18:01):
he did, and soon he that that latch. I mean,
this bat I can imagine like it looked like a
huge hawk. So they flew out of the attic. It
was the biggest bat ever seen and it went straight
to my mother's hair and Uh, after my dad, my
dad killed the bat. Yeah, so they're all laughing. My mom,

(01:18:23):
my mom was laughing. She's still screaming. Uh so she
my dad said, you know, there's your ghost. Yeah, okay, okay,
whatever you know. So, uh, he ran downstairs. We all
came downstairs and called my mom down and he went
back up to with the box he's gonna put this
bat into and the bat's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
So we're at the back because he went back into
the attic and it wasn't there. We like, we all
of us checked every nook and cranny of that house
up there. We couldn't find it. And the biggest bat
was you'd you'd see it. Yeah, So it wasn't like
a guide somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Uh did he ever believe?

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I think he did. I think he did, but he
he would never say he did because he was Uh.
He'd always say with my mom, yeah, no matter what
she said something that it happened. If he's he disagreed
with her, he was dever with her because he was
he was. I mean, it's like, uh, man, you gotta
speak up and speak speak for yourself, you know. Yeah,
And but no, he would never go against what she said.

(01:19:22):
You know. So she says, yeah, there's nothing up there,
that there's nothing up there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
So I think that time, that time there, I think
he knew there was something up there at the time
when he was knocked down on the landing by the basement,
I think he knew something knocked him down. Yeah, but
he would never say he got up and I got
a muscle spousal Yeah, I think. I think that's in
the book Muscle plus yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Yeah yeah. And then his own brother. This thing is
trying to kill his own brother.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
I'll tell you what that was. And I use his
real name, NICKI. Yeah, Nicky was a little rough neck man.
He was. He was okay, if you wan't got into
a bar fight, yes, he's the one you want to
take with you, you know. So he was and he
was and I think because he had so much activity
against him in that house because he was so rough.

(01:20:15):
I mean, I wouldn't say mean, he was just he
was a roley. He was a foul mouth. And hell
long with the times he was in his week week
staying with us, turn in like three months. Yeah, so
the time he was there, he got blasted. Man, I
tell you, uh shit, happened to him that never happened
to us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Any of my other arbum cale too, you know, so
they they just I couldn't understand that, you know. That's
that's why I don't. I didn't understand, like you're talking
about Christianity because my girlfriend at the time, she was
over the house almost every day because she's also my
sister's best friend, so she's constantly at the house, and
every time she's there, and if there was activity before

(01:20:54):
she got there, it just completely stopped. So every time
she was in the house, there was nothing that happened.
Every time my best friend Joseph was in the house,
it never happened. So, yeah, there was people with my mother,
it never happened.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
I think my grandmother because I think she is she
was a either an EmPATH or because she she had
all her remedies there passed down. She believed in all
the superstitions and she believed my stories. Yeah, so she
had her own story. So I'm thinking, you know, it

(01:21:30):
never happened while she's in the house. But my two uncles,
like you're talking about the Nikki, when he was in
the house, it was it was bad. It was just bad.
You know, I could never understand. Like you know, a
lot of people say, well it goes to Ursperre was
pick and choose who they want to connect with. I
think I connected the bes. I called her Alice in
a book. Yeah, I had a name, or sometimes I

(01:21:52):
named her Alice, you know. And here's the thing, man,
My wife and I were doing some research at this house,
going back on a history. I think I got back
to nineteen twenty four. And the lady in the house's
name is Alice.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah, that blew my that's chills on my spine. While
we were I had already wrote that. So I'm looking
in this girl's and my wife says, oh my god.
Actually she came across it. She look at this lady's
name is Alice. I said, wow. So I want to
do some more research on the people. Now, now they
got the house and the people that lived there chronologically,

(01:22:30):
I want to go back on their history. I want
to find out if there was a little girl that
actually did die in that house.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Yeah, have you talked to anybody else that lives in
the house.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
I did. Well, that'll be in the next book because
it'll pick up in nineteen eighty five. This one stopped
at nineteen seventy one. Yeah, it'll pick up in eighty five.
Because the friends of our two sets of friends of
mine that lived in the house was extremely haunted. It
was evil. It was like the evil type of shit.
Uh that would then happen with us, I mean to

(01:23:02):
the uncle NICKI and yeah, okay, But to me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
No, Yeah, Well that's interesting to have that continued history
where you're hearing from other people, because for one, it's
nice to have the validation for yourself that I wasn't
fucking crazy one of them. This sounds like this shit
really did happen to me?

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Oh yeah, Because even the one that was burned down
in two thousand and five, I heard two different stories.
I still can't get that story straight, even going on
the city hall, into the title, that office, land, that
office in in town, on the deeds and everything. I
can't get Did this person die in the house in

(01:23:39):
two thousand and five? Now I heard about that time
when it burnt that a man died in the house. Yeah,
So I'm trying to find out. I'm trying to still
have I gotta I gotta somebody that's my sticking with me.
On this in city. Y'all just hop on me now,
trying to investigate. Now he's he's curious, Yeah, because I

(01:24:01):
don't know. What do you know about in your town?
If house burns down? Who do you go to for
the records?

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
So who do I go to? It's like it's all
only thing I have right now is the library, you know,
for the books and try to go through the fish
of the people. And I never did put the address
of the house in that book, you know. Yeah, so
I wanted to leave that out because I knew before
on another episode I did on my Ghost in a
Valley documentary I made back in the nineties based on

(01:24:32):
true stories out of Ohio and Pennsylvania. This didn't make
my documentary because a person moved in the house like
you did right now, your house is you find out
the house is haunted. Well, it turned out that it
was violent. Violent He wants his money back. He already
paid your deposit and a guy wasn't giving his money back,

(01:24:53):
So we took him the court. I was going to
do the documentary on his story, and I there was
a joke going on between the judge and the lawyers
that if the judge was stay in that house for
one overnight, he would give the money back, you know,
yeah or no, he wouldn't have to give the money back.
But if if he had to leave early, then the

(01:25:14):
guy had the landlord how to give the money pack. Well,
the judge only stayed like half hour in the house.
I was going to I was told by the judge
not to put that in the book, not to put
that into my movie, So I didn't, you know, So
I was just curious, you know, on my house. Yeah,
you know, I do know. The two couples, two different families.

(01:25:35):
My mother, my sister worked. She had a job where
she had clients. And one client came in and this
was like thirty years after the fact, and he told her, oh, no,
she's looking at the address where he lived. I said, oh,
my god, you lived in the house we grew up in,
you know, the haunted house. She is the haunted the

(01:25:55):
house we lived in, he says. He asked her, was
that house haunted when you live there?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
And she said, oh yeah. He said no, I mean,
I mean really viciously evil. It's just no, no, it
was it wasn't like that. He's, oh, it's it's very bad.
But then again, like I'm saying that this is your
energy if it's a if you're say a rough neck,
or you you're a bad seed anyway in your family,

(01:26:25):
are you attracting that? Are you running that out? I
don't say it. That's what I'm thinking, you know, because
but my friend it came over, they spent the night
that had to leave early and never came back. He
was a Christian, so he never and his mother was
my girlfriend was. But so I'm thinking that it's not
gonna it's not gonna mess with the Christians. Well, it

(01:26:48):
messed with my friend who's a guy Christian, then didn't
mess with your girlfriend who a female Christians. So that
through that's the out the window. So and so it's
not so well, its just and choose who they want
to which it connects with who? Yeah, you know, yeah
that makes sense to me. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Yeah, it's definitely fascinating book. Everybody needs to go check
it out. For sure. I enjoyed it. Go go pick
up your copy today. Is there anywhere that they can
order it where? I know people like to get autograph copies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Right now, I'm working on that, you know, I'm trying
to put up a link to my website to where
you can go there and pay. Then me and I
would send He be like, cover the shipping and handling
in a graph copy. Yeah, I'll ship it to you,
you know, in the Continental US. I just had to
talk to my friend of mine who just did that,

(01:27:40):
and she didn't put in the Continent non USA, right. Yeah,
she's asking twenty dollars for her book, you know, the
covered shipping everything. She didn't put that. Well, the guy
that ordered it, she just put Continental. He ordered it
from like I think a Sauce Droy or New Zealand
or somewhere. Her shipping was like seventy five dollars. Yeah,

(01:28:01):
so yeah, you couldn't get all of that. So I'm thinking, no,
it's gotta be Continental, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Yeah, yeah, I was, I've been.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
I'm working on that right now. I'm like the pretty
soon have that. I have a lot of people that
contact me. Can I get an autograph copy?

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
You know? And your website's author Aalcooley dot com and
you're also on all the social media's and everybody needs
to go check out your podcast Ghost in the Valley.
It was definitely an excellent show. I love the show.
Listen to it. Like I said, when I get a
chance to listen to anything, but it's one of my
favorite go to podcasts for the paranormal. And everybody go
check out Spencer's Ghost The Guardian. You can get it

(01:28:35):
on Kindle and through Amazon a physical copy, but I'd
wait until Al gets it up on the website so
you actually get autographed copy. Also, the great thing is
if you order it straight from the author, the money's
all going to you and it's not going to you know,
forty percent or whatever sh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
It is to Amazon Amas like killshon man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
It's like it's a necessary evil. But Jeff Bezos is
fucking rich enough, So all right, yeah, in the world
or something or second to eat on a musk or something.
So but uh yeah, I'm gonna go check out the book,
grab you yourself a copy. And thanks for coming on today.
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
I appreciate it. Thank you Eric.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
All Right, everybody, y'all stay safe other We'll see you
next time. Have a good day. Thank you for listening
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