July 4, 2024 • 26 mins
On this episode I spoke with Allen about his "Southern Ghost Stories: Ghost of Gallatin" book. Allen Sircy is the author of the Southern Ghost Stories series of books, creator of the Ghost Map App, and Co-Host of the Southern Ghost Stories Podcast.
"As the most haunted city in Tennessee, Gallatin's history is filled with fires, executions, cholera outbreaks and other terrible misfortunes . Beneath the town square and stately antebellum mansions lies a complicated history of the paranormal and mysterious. From the dastardly General Eleazer Paine, who killed Confederate soldiers and sympathizers, to deadly fires that reduced buildings on the square to a smoldering rubble, Gallatin is filled with countless spirits. Some of the ghosts in these stories are friendly, while others are quite mischievous. With each ghostly tale, Southern Ghost Stories: Ghosts of Gallatin invites you to explore the town square to see what you might find." Amazon book description.
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"As the most haunted city in Tennessee, Gallatin's history is filled with fires, executions, cholera outbreaks and other terrible misfortunes . Beneath the town square and stately antebellum mansions lies a complicated history of the paranormal and mysterious. From the dastardly General Eleazer Paine, who killed Confederate soldiers and sympathizers, to deadly fires that reduced buildings on the square to a smoldering rubble, Gallatin is filled with countless spirits. Some of the ghosts in these stories are friendly, while others are quite mischievous. With each ghostly tale, Southern Ghost Stories: Ghosts of Gallatin invites you to explore the town square to see what you might find." Amazon book description.
www.southernghoststories.com
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https://www.amazon.com/stores/Allen-Sircy/author/B0B192C43S?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1720101743&sr=8-1&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
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Join us as we dive into thehistory, hauntings, and high strangers of
the world to try to better understandthe paranormal. I will be your guide.
I am paranormal researcher and investigator EricFreeman Simms. Welcome to The Unseen
Paranormal Podcast. Hey, everybody,welcome to a special edition of The Unseen
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Paranormal. We have Throwback Thursday foryou. I've had quite a few people
reach out and wonder where the firstbeginning episodes of the show are, and
just to explain it to you,we have, you know, one hundred
and sixty something episodes. Now we'rein season five, and the podcast host
that hosts the show and distributes itout to Amazon and Spotify and all those
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awesome places for y'all to listen,they only allow you to host so many
episodes. So as we add,as I more episodes, they drop episodes
off. The very first episodes theydrop off, and I think there's probably
six or seven missing now from thevery beginning of the show. So I
want to a couple times a month, I want to do throwback Thursdays,
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and I figured today would be appropriatebecause here in July we are celebrating the
fifth season and fifth year of theUnseen Paranormal Podcast, and today that I'm
putting this out is July fourth,and so the founding of the show,
the founding of our nation, andy'all get to hear the very first Unseen
Paranormal podcast today. And our guestwas mister Allen Searcy, and I owe
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him a big thank you for takinga chance on a baby fledgling podcaster interviewing
him and dealing with me as ahorrible interviewer, and me and him have
become friends and he's a great guy, and we've done many things together now
over the past five years. AndAllan's put out way more books now.
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But yeah, such a fun time. I just listened to this. I
kind of cringed because the editing ishorrible. The quality is not that great.
I definitely didn't do my research likeI should have, and you can
tell that I didn't know what Iwas doing, or at least I can
tell. But I want to putthese episodes out soe y'all cane where the
show, how far the show's come, and and how far I've grown as
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an you know, as an interviewerand doing the show and it's fun to
be nostalgic sometimes, so enjoy thisthrowback Thursday episode with mister Allen Sarcy.
We chat about his Ghost of Gallatinbook and his Murphy's Borough Spirits of Stones
River book, and those are fromhis Southern Ghostory series of books. But
go check out all Allen's books.He's got many more. He's written many
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more books since then. He's agreat author, lots of history in there
as well as the hauntings. Andhe's branched out from doing Tennessee to a
lot of other states now and alot of other cities. So I'll put
all those links in the show notesfor mister Searcy. So y'all go check
out his books and and buy themand read them. They're they're great.
But without much further ado, sitback, relax, enjoy the show.
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We will see you next week withan all new episode of The Unseen Paranormal
Podcast. Welcome to the Unseen ParanormalPodcast. I am your host, Eric
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Freeman. Today we were talking toAlan Cercy. He is the author of
several books under the title Southern GhostStories. How you doing today, Alan,
I'm great, Thanks for having me. Alon. I have no problem
thanks for coming on. So howdid you get interested in the paranormal to
start out writing these books. Well, it's kind of a two pong answer.
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I used to live in a houseover a pre Paul find Traveler's Rest,
I guess in the forties or fifties. Traveler's Rest was John Overton's plantation.
He was Andrew Jackson's best friend anda campaign manager. But he had
the big plantation over there. Andas he died off and the family started
selling off lots of land, MineKrek gamber Its bought two acres and they
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lived there for years. And whenshe and I Craig grandmother's put in a
nursing home, I moved into thehouse for ten years and the first time
I was there, a trash canby the front door of the kitchen moved
eight feet overnight. Wow. Ihad lights that would come off and on
TV's would go off, and onfriend of mine told me they saw a
woman standing in the corner of ourbedroom. This weird things happened. So
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it only a Travelers Rest to talkto him about it, and they kind
of shot me down. And thenthis is kind of the the start of
it, I suppose. But howI really got into it was my wife
and I went to Savannah several times. My daughter went to Georgia Southern,
so we go visit her and goto Savannah and take all the ghost tours
and see all the historical places andyeah, you know, you go to
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go to or you pay twenty orthirty books and you go to five places,
and it's kind of it's fun,but it's kind of quick. So
my wife was on me. She'slike, you know, somebody should make
an app for two dollars has allthe haunted places. So I came back
home and started puddling around with thecomputer and I talked myself out of code,
and I went back to Savannah startedresearching, and I maybe a hap
with fifty or sixty places, howevermany it is. Then I got bored
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a few months later, and Imade one for Nashville, and I got
bored, made one for Louisville,and kept expanding with the New Orleans,
Salem, Saint Augustine, Boston andkind of the apps turned into books and
now I'm me deeping all this stuff. So it's been a lot of fun,
right right? So, uh sowat specific like Gallatin? Well as
I worked on the Nashville app.You know, it's really drawing the places
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like Merbysbur and Gallat and there's alot of history, right. And I
went to Gallatus walking around the squareto talk to people, and every place
I went, somebody had a storyof you know, something moving around or
seeing a shadow or hearing footsteps,and just a lot of weird stuff.
And I started digging and researching,and there were multiple fires on the square,
like North Water burned down numerous times. And back in the nineteen hundreds
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there were no codes. So hehad a wooden building. Typically there was
a storefront on the first floor andthe second stories where the shop owner lived.
It was a dwelling. Well,every building had you know, a
stove and multiple candles, well onespark, like the whole block on fire.
It's had been so much in Gallaton. But then the thing is in
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the Civil War they were occupied aboutthe Union. A guy named a laser
pain from up north. He camedown here and he was just you know,
you're always told in high school thatthe good guys won the Union,
they freed the slaves, and that'strue, but the tagis the Union used
to win the war is pretty underhanded. You know, if you were
related to somebody who was a Confederatesoldier, you were considered the Confederate synthothis.
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They could take you to jail orjust taken the field and shoots that
they wanted to. Right, heis retal back then. Yeah, so
you have a there's a lot ofhistory in Gallatin from the from Civil War.
And then you were talking about thetown square burning down? Did do
you think any of the hauntings camefrom the the square burning down? Did
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anybody perishing those fires? Yeah,especially in the north water multiple buildings,
talking about children hear footsteps running aroundupstairs, or to hear children giggling.
There's one place, the Endless Centerup there on the square. Lady told
me she brought her son in towork one day with her as a pet
groomer, and they came in thenight door and little boy looks upstairs,
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Oh, Mama, I go playat the babies upstairs. And she looked
upstairs like there's nobody up there.And a couple of days later or a
week later, the lady's mother cameto s her grandson outside, and little
boy came back and said, Mama, I saw the babies they are outside
playing today. This is really creepy, you know. I mean, supposedly
that area there was a lot ofbrothels because it was right there on the
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railroad, and supposedly the ladies ofthe night they would wave to the gausays
of trains and they'd come back andvisit them. So if those ladies had
children and there was a fire andthey got called up in it, I
don't really know. Yeah, SoNorth Water Avenue in West Maine seemed to
kind of be the hot spots inGallatin that you read about other than the
fires. What other kind of historyrevolves kind of around the square or is
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there any other just the fire?Well, one thing they kind of jumped
out at me. I thought Iwas almost done with the book, and
I was a Slainy Swiss tbing toan elderly lady who knew everything, and
she was telling me that that theslaining Swiss is a restaurant, but at
one time there was a pharmacy andhow a little girl there died from the
plague. So I was thinking,well, what was the plague? So
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I started digging in research and itturns out cholera was a big deal in
Gallaton and got in the water andkilled all the poor people. Well,
one in fifteen people in Gallatin diedin eighteen seventy three from colera. So
on top of the fires, thewar, you going cholera. It's just
the small little corner of the universeor all these terrible awful things happen.
Yeah, And not too far fromGallatin, up north, you've got Waverley
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Hills, which is, you know, theorius notoriously haunted sanatorium from TV.
So I'm sure TV probably played afactor in the Gallatin as well. I'm
sure it did. I mean,back then there's no inoculations and vaccines of
that, so now it's commonplace.And then also in the book, you
write about Rosemont House. Rosemont's areally cool place. It's kind of tucked
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away and it's like a little secretno one knows about. But it's a
wonderful historic building and a lot ofhistory there. Andrew Johnson, Andrew Jackson,
James K. Polk all stayed inthe home. It was home to
Judge John Siepiscoon Guild. He wasa he fault in the Seminal Indian War,
and he was really close to AndrewJackson, but I was up there
researching the book and I was recordingmy conversation with the caretaker there and he
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was talking to me and I recentlyhad a little boy, and I was
explained it to the caretaker. Howyou know, I'm the last time my
grandfather's name, so the little boy, the name carries on. And at
the end of our recording, aleady goes, oh cool. It was
as clear as day. And Isent it to the caretake here and he's
like, oh, that's Catherine Gille. They say that she occupies as part
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of the house, so it's Iwas there for a festival back this is
October and November and was talking tothis little this girl. She's like,
you know, I can send stationand field things and so really, what
do you sense in the house.She's like, Well, went upstairs and
there's a child hiding under the benchtrying to get me to play with it,
as opposed to there's a child thatlikes to play hide and seek upstairs.
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Wow. So Gallatin is a hugethat sounds like it's a huge hotspit
of paranormal activity. You hear about, you know, Nashville, and just
because of it being in the city, you hear about the Ryman Auditorium being
haunted and you know, those typetours, but you know, you don't
you don't really hear these stories aboutthe smaller towns in Tennessee like Gallatin in
this surrounding area having so much historyand a lot of people don't think about.
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You know, there's that history theretoo, that those towns were around
some towns in Tennessee around you know, before Nashville was even even founded,
and uh, and a lot ofthese little towns have a lot more history
than people think. Oh yeah,I mean Sumner County was one of the
first areas kind of it was partof North Carolina and James Winchester came here.
It kind of established Christinia Springs andSumner County and it grew from there.
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But yeah, you think the railroadcame through Gallaton during the Civil War.
The Union was trying to get intoGeorgia. They were trying to get
at Chattanooga, like the Three Bellsin Murdysboro. It was pretty much for
those railroads to get into Chattanooga.And that's where a lot of stems from,
is the Cumberland River of the waterwaysand the railroad that ran to Chattanooga.
So for your book, you youtalked to lots of people with their
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first hand accounts and over sixty locations. I'm not sure. I mean here,
and there was a whole bunch.That sounds probably about right because it's
all around the square and sphere View. There's so many haunted places in Gallaton,
it's it's crazy. Yeah. Uh, based on your experience and talking
to all the people, what wouldyou say is the the most haunted polace
in Galaton? It's hard to say. I mean Phaby Plantation. It's kind
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of like the Oberton Plantation Travelers rest. It's been chopped up and forcing off,
and there's a golf course there andlittle ends you can stay in,
and there's subdivisions. There's a gasstation, there's a grocery store, and
all those places are part of theplantation experienced things, So that's kind of
a cool little piece of history.Of course, Fairview is owned by Isaac
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Franklin. He was the husband ofAdalisia Franklin, who became Adelicia Belmont founded
Belmont Mansion. He was one ofthe large slave traders in the country and
one of the wealthiest men in thecountry at the time. He had slaves
and supposedly he got a slave pregnantand he married Adelicia Franklin. It sent
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to sleep off in New Orleans.So, but there's just a lot of
history of your fairview. Recommend comingto Gallaton and just talk to people on
ghost floor. It's a great littlesmall town that so much history up here.
Yeah. Yeah, Gallaton's a nicelittle town. I've been there quite
a few times. And if ifpeople are interested in your book, where
can they find them to purchase them? Right now? They're available at a
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few places in Gallatin up your pickletreats across the street from Rosemark, some
of the bootics on the square havethem, and Amazon dot Com always has
them online. Awesome. And doyou have anything planned for the future,
any more books or any any moreof the ghost apps? Oh man,
I've been needed to murvys Burro sincelast year. I'm I'm a book available.
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It'll be little longest it would beavailable. But Murbysburg, I've been
digging around up there because there's soMurgisburg is a big Gallaton. It was
the same stuff fires Colar and theCivil War, he said. Murvysboro,
Gallaton was occupied made some skirmishes.Murverysbury had three battles through the Civil War,
so there's just a lot more drawfrom Thursbor. Yeah, can you
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give us a little taste of what'sgoing to be in the book? Oh
God, we're gonna even start.The thing is the battlefield. I always
heard the battlefield, and it's true. The battle is haunted. The Rangers
don't want to talk about it.But the battlefield is just fifteen percent of
the area where the battle was fought. It started up there on ninety six
over on Gresham Lane and then wentfor several miles all the way over to
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the fad His Forward over there wherethe Harley Davison dealership is, and all
these little businesses they see soldiers walkingaround, they hear noises. I was
in a storage unit place over offof Medical Center Parkway a few weeks ago,
and this African American gentleman was tellingme how when he goes upstairs and
lights turn off, and his experienceis he believes that the Union soldiers are
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trying to got into safety. Theythink he's not safe and trying to help
him. So as we're talking,I was recording from the book. I
play it back and there's a ghostis laughing at him. He's like,
huh, he can't get around it, like the ghost is playing a joke
on it, but he thinks theywere helping him. So it's just funny
hearing an EVP of a ghost laughingat somebody's telling a story. Right out
of all the all the research andall the experiences you've had, what do
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you make of the so called ghostand spirits you know we had. I've
done this for several years. I'venever seen a ghost. I lived at
Haunted House, but I've seen alot of weird things I can't explain.
I've heard things I can't explain.I had a friend of mine I referred
to in the book as an EmPATH, and she is before the book came
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out, she was telling me thingsonly I knew when I wrote the book.
I met a man on the square, mister Rory. He's an attorney.
He bought a building, manaj Jacksonpractice law in and supposedly there's some
soldiers there. And I met withhim and he was so generous with this
time and talked to me and toldme all the stories. And he died
a few weeks later. So Iwas honored to you. I got to
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hear those stories and I got toshare them with people. And before the
book came out, this impath wastelling me the stories that he had told
me. And she had no businessknowing this stuff, but she told me.
Her theory, which makes sense tome, goes to somebody who was
raised in the church and they believe, you know, that when they died,
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they weren't good enough to go towardsthe light or go to heavens.
They stuck around. That's that's hertheory and it makes a lot of sense
to me. And I don't reallyknow for sure, but that's kind of
the theory I've give the most Kreeinstitutance I've been doing all this. Yeah,
there's lots of theories out there.That's the first time I've heard that
one. Yeah, with that kindof unfinished business aspect of the spiritual world.
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That's as you know, this psychin kristin Meerbersborough. She was telling
me that this is a different lady. She goes to the battlefold occasionally,
well like she calls it cleaning outthe battlefield. Like she'll see soldiers just
say go to the light, goto the light, and they're scared to
go to the light, which maybegives some credibility of the first theory that
they're scared to go because they don'tthink they're worthy. Yeah, or I've
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heard the theory also that maybe theydon't know the battle is over. Yeah,
they just you know, they're stuckin a in a what they call
a time loop I guess of whereyou know it's going on, and they
don't think their job is done.Yeah, I mean, no one knows,
right, And that's and that's thewhole thing of paranormal field. And
like all the research that you're doingand telling the stories is you know,
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because everybody's curious and wants to figureout where we go when we die,
and you know, if all thisstuff is true. And I think it's
awesome that you've got so many peopleto give you first hand accounts for your
books. Yeah, it's funny somefolks to talk to you, and it's
all for an hour. The samefolks you're like shamed or scared. They
think their friends will think they you'recrazy. It's kind of all over the
board. And you talk to peopleabout paranormal Yeah, did you have anybody
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who who kind of pulled you asideand talked to you in secret and was
like, you know, I kindof want to be anonymous, or oh
yeah, I mean probably a partof the book was like don't use my
name. But a lot of peoplethey don't really care. But some people
in particular, and I found likeespecially in Murby'sboro, a lot of the
businesses don't want anything to do withthe paranormal. Yeah, they think it's
uh. There's a place in thesquare. It's one of the oldest buildings
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in Murphysboro. My wife and Iwere shopping in there one day and a
girl was like, oh, yeah, our building's haunted, and tell us
about the ghost. So when Istarted the book, I went there and
talked to the owner and I said, you know, one of your courachs
told my wife is places haunted.She said, oh, well, we
can't tell you that. I said, well why, she's like feet scared
that my employees. I said,manm your employees told my wife like yeah,
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that we don't want to talk aboutit. So I said, okay,
you're prerogative. Yeah, some places, they you know, embrace that
history and some places are a littlemore you know, want to want to
keep their distance from it, butthat's understandable too. So can you get
to places like Savannah, New Orleans. It's it's really hardcore embrace they it's,
you know, part of the economydown there put up here any seeking
little towns like Gallanton or Murdersboro.You're very conservative here too, so it
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could be something where like it goesagainst some religious principles. Right. You're
full of so much historical information andkind of giving them back stories. That's
always good to hear some of theirresearch. Yeah. I like to tie
things back, Like if I hearsomething is haunted, I want to figure
out why it's haunted. I liketo go back and dog and like there's
the place in Gallatin. Sorry ifI'm long winded. This guy told me
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the psychic National came in and shetouched the rail of the staircase. She
said, I can't come my rightarm and up my head. I got
a splitting headache. So I starteddigging and digging and digging. It took
me several weeks, but I foundout the owner of the building was a
considered soldier. He's a veteran,and he also his right arm and got
shot in the head. Wow.So I sent that when I definite.
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When I found that out, Isent a text message to the guy with
the information and he said, Ohmy God, like the hearing back of
my neck is standing up right now. Yeah, those those correlations are crazy,
especially for somebody to have that experienceand then you find out that history.
It's a lot of fun. Ienjoy it. I love the history
part. Have you ever you everbeen on a paranormal hunt with any any
ghost teams or I have, andthey're fun. But it's like I was
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on one a while back here inmil Tennessee, and I will say with
who it was, and this guyhe'd been on TV is telling me,
oh, I heard this. Iheard this, and I'm like, dude,
I just don't hear it. What'sit called? Those little boxes?
Were the ghost boxes? Yeah,if you want to hear something, you're
gonna hear something like can I goout out of EMF meter or digital recorder?
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I don't know. I try todisprove stuff, but sometimes I can't.
So yeah, I like to Ilike to refer to myself as a
skeptical believer because if I can,if I can prove it, otherwise then
it's not paranormal. I mean,that's the whole definition of paranormal was,
you know, the unexplainable. Youknow a lot of people are quick to
jump to noises or you know,something moving. I was at the Martiall
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House in Savannah a couple of yearsago, and I have a meter in
some equipment and I was a longend of the lobby and they told me
that a lady plays tricks in thebathroom and lost people in the stalls.
So I'm walking around and like,my ef met is just going nuts.
I call the managers and hey,once you know what I've got over here,
And he's like, well, sir, we just rewired this wall over
here. I said, okay,you got me. You're right I'm wrong.
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Yeah, yeah, And that happensmore than not. And then and
then also, you know, certainpeople are sensitive more sensitive the EMF and
it can cause all kinds of crazythings like hallucinations, you know, visual
and auditory hallucinations, and you know, people just that feeling of being watched
or like you're not alone. Yeah, I sty experience on the square pane
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Gallaton. Of course, tunnels area big thing in Middle Tennessee, and
you had them in Nashville, runningover Nashville. You had him under Murray
Garden. You had him in Gallaton. Supposed that they were used to move
troops or for the underground railroad.I have a different theory. But I
was down in the base of abilityin Gallatin and I was trying to take
a picture of this tunnel. Interestin the tunnel was stilled off and I
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took two pictures in my camera wouldn'twork. It was just like just a
my scream in black. So finallythe third picture I took, and I
took it showed. So I gothome, I showed my wife and it
turns out the first few picture actuallytook, but there's a big orb right
in the middle level. So thatwas just kind of weird that well,
I couldn't take a picture where Ithought I can't think a picture actually took
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it, but there was or pregnantlove it. Yeah, And it's weird
how you get some effects on yourequipment with you know, battery drains and
that type of stuff and just electronicsnot want to work. And so you
said you had a podcast, yes, sir, Southern Ghost Stories, Okay,
why did I do? And wedo put up two episodes each week,
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just places we've been to and justtry to have fun with it.
They're about ten minutes long each weekor each episode. It's nothing. You
know, some of these podcast forlike thirty forty five minutes or an hour
and yeah, I like, Ilike, just knock it out and get
it done. Yeah yeah. Wherewhere can people find that podcast? Always
in iTunes or people play Just whereveryou find podcasts, you'll find it,
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tit shirt and Spotify. Okay,all right, and you said that your
books available on Amazon or at someof the shops in Gallaton. If people
on the physically going there, ifthey go into a bout your book.
Are some of the shops, willthey be willing to talk to people about
the haunt history of the buildings?Oh yeah, two of the point well,
one of the places they moved.But at the other place almost Treasures
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on the Square. It's featured inthe book. A recent experience I had
back in the hall. There's anapp what is it called the Ghost Radar
or something, and it spits outwords occasionally. You know, I didn't
put a lot of stock in theapp. It's like a dollar or two.
I've always kind of silly well,I was walking with the owner of
the stairs and an old lady wasover on the side pigeon or something that
she dropped it as we were walkingup the stairs, so I needed the
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top of the stairs and my littleapp things is dropped. It was really
creepy. Yeah, I guess theycan get those things are kind of silly,
but you know, I guess theghosts can co manipulate that stuff sometimes
where it's actually you know, yeah, I thought it was just a joke.
I've tried to use it for wordto see people catching any anything in
places I knew where things were goingon. It never worked, but one
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it did. It was like onincidents, but it was a pretty leak coincidence.
Right. And then with your withyour book Southern Ghostories Historical Hauntings,
that's kind of just all around theSouth, just different locations. Yeah,
that was the first book we did. We had so many apps and there's
so many really cool stories and Ireally going in depth about travelers rest in
that book, about some of myexperiences over there living in Three Paul.
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I think I have the Roman Auditoriumin there. Some places in Savannah.
We've been to every place that Iwrite about I've been to and try to
talk to people and experience some ofthe stuff firsthand. Yeah, what kind
of experiences did you have when you'rewriting the historical Hauntings book. Well,
we talk about there's a place calledthe Currell Wheathhouse in Savannah, Georgia,
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and that's a really cool place.And supposedly the legend or lore is that
there is a wealthy man who washaving affair at his slave and his wife
found out about it and she jumpedfrom the second story of the building to
the coryard blow and kill herself.Well, supposedly Francis Cerell went and he
killed the slave, he hung herin her slave quarters, and ever since
then weird things happen in those slavequarters at little carriage house. Well,
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I was up there with my wifeand I said, Hey, anybody want
to talk to us? And assee as I said that, my camera
like shrows of these little slanted,squiggly lines. And it's never done that
before. Now I've had an Applelistence it came out. It's never happened
before, and it's never happened since. So that was something really kind of
cool. And I'd heard stories aboutpeople being touched or pushed, or hearing
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things or hearing noises and scrow Whehouseis a really cool plason Tonanta to check
it out. I think that's aboutall we got time for. I appreciate
you coming on with me today,you sir. You can find more information
about Allen and his books on Southernghost Stories dot com or check him out
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Join us as we dive into thehistory, hauntings, and high strangers of
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I am paranormal researcher and investigator EricFreeman Simms. Welcome to The Unseen
Paranormal Podcast. Hey, everybody,welcome to a special edition of The Unseen
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Paranormal. We have Throwback Thursday foryou. I've had quite a few people
reach out and wonder where the firstbeginning episodes of the show are, and
just to explain it to you,we have, you know, one hundred
and sixty something episodes. Now we'rein season five, and the podcast host
that hosts the show and distributes itout to Amazon and Spotify and all those
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awesome places for y'all to listen,they only allow you to host so many
episodes. So as we add,as I more episodes, they drop episodes
off. The very first episodes theydrop off, and I think there's probably
six or seven missing now from thevery beginning of the show. So I
want to a couple times a month, I want to do throwback Thursdays,
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and I figured today would be appropriatebecause here in July we are celebrating the
fifth season and fifth year of theUnseen Paranormal Podcast, and today that I'm
putting this out is July fourth,and so the founding of the show,
the founding of our nation, andy'all get to hear the very first Unseen
Paranormal podcast today. And our guestwas mister Allen Searcy, and I owe
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him a big thank you for takinga chance on a baby fledgling podcaster interviewing
him and dealing with me as ahorrible interviewer, and me and him have
become friends and he's a great guy, and we've done many things together now
over the past five years. AndAllan's put out way more books now.
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But yeah, such a fun time. I just listened to this. I
kind of cringed because the editing ishorrible. The quality is not that great.
I definitely didn't do my research likeI should have, and you can
tell that I didn't know what Iwas doing, or at least I can
tell. But I want to putthese episodes out soe y'all cane where the
show, how far the show's come, and and how far I've grown as
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an you know, as an interviewerand doing the show and it's fun to
be nostalgic sometimes, so enjoy thisthrowback Thursday episode with mister Allen Sarcy.
We chat about his Ghost of Gallatinbook and his Murphy's Borough Spirits of Stones
River book, and those are fromhis Southern Ghostory series of books. But
go check out all Allen's books.He's got many more. He's written many
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more books since then. He's agreat author, lots of history in there
as well as the hauntings. Andhe's branched out from doing Tennessee to a
lot of other states now and alot of other cities. So I'll put
all those links in the show notesfor mister Searcy. So y'all go check
out his books and and buy themand read them. They're they're great.
But without much further ado, sitback, relax, enjoy the show.
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We will see you next week withan all new episode of The Unseen Paranormal
Podcast. Welcome to the Unseen ParanormalPodcast. I am your host, Eric
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Freeman. Today we were talking toAlan Cercy. He is the author of
several books under the title Southern GhostStories. How you doing today, Alan,
I'm great, Thanks for having me. Alon. I have no problem
thanks for coming on. So howdid you get interested in the paranormal to
start out writing these books. Well, it's kind of a two pong answer.
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I used to live in a houseover a pre Paul find Traveler's Rest,
I guess in the forties or fifties. Traveler's Rest was John Overton's plantation.
He was Andrew Jackson's best friend anda campaign manager. But he had
the big plantation over there. Andas he died off and the family started
selling off lots of land, MineKrek gamber Its bought two acres and they
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lived there for years. And whenshe and I Craig grandmother's put in a
nursing home, I moved into thehouse for ten years and the first time
I was there, a trash canby the front door of the kitchen moved
eight feet overnight. Wow. Ihad lights that would come off and on
TV's would go off, and onfriend of mine told me they saw a
woman standing in the corner of ourbedroom. This weird things happened. So
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it only a Travelers Rest to talkto him about it, and they kind
of shot me down. And thenthis is kind of the the start of
it, I suppose. But howI really got into it was my wife
and I went to Savannah several times. My daughter went to Georgia Southern,
so we go visit her and goto Savannah and take all the ghost tours
and see all the historical places andyeah, you know, you go to
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go to or you pay twenty orthirty books and you go to five places,
and it's kind of it's fun,but it's kind of quick. So
my wife was on me. She'slike, you know, somebody should make
an app for two dollars has allthe haunted places. So I came back
home and started puddling around with thecomputer and I talked myself out of code,
and I went back to Savannah startedresearching, and I maybe a hap
with fifty or sixty places, howevermany it is. Then I got bored
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a few months later, and Imade one for Nashville, and I got
bored, made one for Louisville,and kept expanding with the New Orleans,
Salem, Saint Augustine, Boston andkind of the apps turned into books and
now I'm me deeping all this stuff. So it's been a lot of fun,
right right? So, uh sowat specific like Gallatin? Well as
I worked on the Nashville app.You know, it's really drawing the places
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like Merbysbur and Gallat and there's alot of history, right. And I
went to Gallatus walking around the squareto talk to people, and every place
I went, somebody had a storyof you know, something moving around or
seeing a shadow or hearing footsteps,and just a lot of weird stuff.
And I started digging and researching,and there were multiple fires on the square,
like North Water burned down numerous times. And back in the nineteen hundreds
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there were no codes. So hehad a wooden building. Typically there was
a storefront on the first floor andthe second stories where the shop owner lived.
It was a dwelling. Well,every building had you know, a
stove and multiple candles, well onespark, like the whole block on fire.
It's had been so much in Gallaton. But then the thing is in
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the Civil War they were occupied aboutthe Union. A guy named a laser
pain from up north. He camedown here and he was just you know,
you're always told in high school thatthe good guys won the Union,
they freed the slaves, and that'strue, but the tagis the Union used
to win the war is pretty underhanded. You know, if you were
related to somebody who was a Confederatesoldier, you were considered the Confederate synthothis.
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They could take you to jail orjust taken the field and shoots that
they wanted to. Right, heis retal back then. Yeah, so
you have a there's a lot ofhistory in Gallatin from the from Civil War.
And then you were talking about thetown square burning down? Did do
you think any of the hauntings camefrom the the square burning down? Did
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anybody perishing those fires? Yeah,especially in the north water multiple buildings,
talking about children hear footsteps running aroundupstairs, or to hear children giggling.
There's one place, the Endless Centerup there on the square. Lady told
me she brought her son in towork one day with her as a pet
groomer, and they came in thenight door and little boy looks upstairs,
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Oh, Mama, I go playat the babies upstairs. And she looked
upstairs like there's nobody up there.And a couple of days later or a
week later, the lady's mother cameto s her grandson outside, and little
boy came back and said, Mama, I saw the babies they are outside
playing today. This is really creepy, you know. I mean, supposedly
that area there was a lot ofbrothels because it was right there on the
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railroad, and supposedly the ladies ofthe night they would wave to the gausays
of trains and they'd come back andvisit them. So if those ladies had
children and there was a fire andthey got called up in it, I
don't really know. Yeah, SoNorth Water Avenue in West Maine seemed to
kind of be the hot spots inGallatin that you read about other than the
fires. What other kind of historyrevolves kind of around the square or is
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there any other just the fire?Well, one thing they kind of jumped
out at me. I thought Iwas almost done with the book, and
I was a Slainy Swiss tbing toan elderly lady who knew everything, and
she was telling me that that theslaining Swiss is a restaurant, but at
one time there was a pharmacy andhow a little girl there died from the
plague. So I was thinking,well, what was the plague? So
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I started digging in research and itturns out cholera was a big deal in
Gallaton and got in the water andkilled all the poor people. Well,
one in fifteen people in Gallatin diedin eighteen seventy three from colera. So
on top of the fires, thewar, you going cholera. It's just
the small little corner of the universeor all these terrible awful things happen.
Yeah, And not too far fromGallatin, up north, you've got Waverley
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Hills, which is, you know, theorius notoriously haunted sanatorium from TV.
So I'm sure TV probably played afactor in the Gallatin as well. I'm
sure it did. I mean,back then there's no inoculations and vaccines of
that, so now it's commonplace.And then also in the book, you
write about Rosemont House. Rosemont's areally cool place. It's kind of tucked
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away and it's like a little secretno one knows about. But it's a
wonderful historic building and a lot ofhistory there. Andrew Johnson, Andrew Jackson,
James K. Polk all stayed inthe home. It was home to
Judge John Siepiscoon Guild. He wasa he fault in the Seminal Indian War,
and he was really close to AndrewJackson, but I was up there
researching the book and I was recordingmy conversation with the caretaker there and he
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was talking to me and I recentlyhad a little boy, and I was
explained it to the caretaker. Howyou know, I'm the last time my
grandfather's name, so the little boy, the name carries on. And at
the end of our recording, aleady goes, oh cool. It was
as clear as day. And Isent it to the caretake here and he's
like, oh, that's Catherine Gille. They say that she occupies as part
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of the house, so it's Iwas there for a festival back this is
October and November and was talking tothis little this girl. She's like,
you know, I can send stationand field things and so really, what
do you sense in the house.She's like, Well, went upstairs and
there's a child hiding under the benchtrying to get me to play with it,
as opposed to there's a child thatlikes to play hide and seek upstairs.
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Wow. So Gallatin is a hugethat sounds like it's a huge hotspit
of paranormal activity. You hear about, you know, Nashville, and just
because of it being in the city, you hear about the Ryman Auditorium being
haunted and you know, those typetours, but you know, you don't
you don't really hear these stories aboutthe smaller towns in Tennessee like Gallatin in
this surrounding area having so much historyand a lot of people don't think about.
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You know, there's that history theretoo, that those towns were around
some towns in Tennessee around you know, before Nashville was even even founded,
and uh, and a lot ofthese little towns have a lot more history
than people think. Oh yeah,I mean Sumner County was one of the
first areas kind of it was partof North Carolina and James Winchester came here.
It kind of established Christinia Springs andSumner County and it grew from there.
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But yeah, you think the railroadcame through Gallaton during the Civil War.
The Union was trying to get intoGeorgia. They were trying to get
at Chattanooga, like the Three Bellsin Murdysboro. It was pretty much for
those railroads to get into Chattanooga.And that's where a lot of stems from,
is the Cumberland River of the waterwaysand the railroad that ran to Chattanooga.
So for your book, you youtalked to lots of people with their
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first hand accounts and over sixty locations. I'm not sure. I mean here,
and there was a whole bunch.That sounds probably about right because it's
all around the square and sphere View. There's so many haunted places in Gallaton,
it's it's crazy. Yeah. Uh, based on your experience and talking
to all the people, what wouldyou say is the the most haunted polace
in Galaton? It's hard to say. I mean Phaby Plantation. It's kind
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of like the Oberton Plantation Travelers rest. It's been chopped up and forcing off,
and there's a golf course there andlittle ends you can stay in,
and there's subdivisions. There's a gasstation, there's a grocery store, and
all those places are part of theplantation experienced things, So that's kind of
a cool little piece of history.Of course, Fairview is owned by Isaac
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Franklin. He was the husband ofAdalisia Franklin, who became Adelicia Belmont founded
Belmont Mansion. He was one ofthe large slave traders in the country and
one of the wealthiest men in thecountry at the time. He had slaves
and supposedly he got a slave pregnantand he married Adelicia Franklin. It sent
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to sleep off in New Orleans.So, but there's just a lot of
history of your fairview. Recommend comingto Gallaton and just talk to people on
ghost floor. It's a great littlesmall town that so much history up here.
Yeah. Yeah, Gallaton's a nicelittle town. I've been there quite
a few times. And if ifpeople are interested in your book, where
can they find them to purchase them? Right now? They're available at a
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few places in Gallatin up your pickletreats across the street from Rosemark, some
of the bootics on the square havethem, and Amazon dot Com always has
them online. Awesome. And doyou have anything planned for the future,
any more books or any any moreof the ghost apps? Oh man,
I've been needed to murvys Burro sincelast year. I'm I'm a book available.
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It'll be little longest it would beavailable. But Murbysburg, I've been
digging around up there because there's soMurgisburg is a big Gallaton. It was
the same stuff fires Colar and theCivil War, he said. Murvysboro,
Gallaton was occupied made some skirmishes.Murverysbury had three battles through the Civil War,
so there's just a lot more drawfrom Thursbor. Yeah, can you
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give us a little taste of what'sgoing to be in the book? Oh
God, we're gonna even start.The thing is the battlefield. I always
heard the battlefield, and it's true. The battle is haunted. The Rangers
don't want to talk about it.But the battlefield is just fifteen percent of
the area where the battle was fought. It started up there on ninety six
over on Gresham Lane and then wentfor several miles all the way over to
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the fad His Forward over there wherethe Harley Davison dealership is, and all
these little businesses they see soldiers walkingaround, they hear noises. I was
in a storage unit place over offof Medical Center Parkway a few weeks ago,
and this African American gentleman was tellingme how when he goes upstairs and
lights turn off, and his experienceis he believes that the Union soldiers are
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trying to got into safety. Theythink he's not safe and trying to help
him. So as we're talking,I was recording from the book. I
play it back and there's a ghostis laughing at him. He's like,
huh, he can't get around it, like the ghost is playing a joke
on it, but he thinks theywere helping him. So it's just funny
hearing an EVP of a ghost laughingat somebody's telling a story. Right out
of all the all the research andall the experiences you've had, what do
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you make of the so called ghostand spirits you know we had. I've
done this for several years. I'venever seen a ghost. I lived at
Haunted House, but I've seen alot of weird things I can't explain.
I've heard things I can't explain.I had a friend of mine I referred
to in the book as an EmPATH, and she is before the book came
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out, she was telling me thingsonly I knew when I wrote the book.
I met a man on the square, mister Rory. He's an attorney.
He bought a building, manaj Jacksonpractice law in and supposedly there's some
soldiers there. And I met withhim and he was so generous with this
time and talked to me and toldme all the stories. And he died
a few weeks later. So Iwas honored to you. I got to
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hear those stories and I got toshare them with people. And before the
book came out, this impath wastelling me the stories that he had told
me. And she had no businessknowing this stuff, but she told me.
Her theory, which makes sense tome, goes to somebody who was
raised in the church and they believe, you know, that when they died,
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they weren't good enough to go towardsthe light or go to heavens.
They stuck around. That's that's hertheory and it makes a lot of sense
to me. And I don't reallyknow for sure, but that's kind of
the theory I've give the most Kreeinstitutance I've been doing all this. Yeah,
there's lots of theories out there.That's the first time I've heard that
one. Yeah, with that kindof unfinished business aspect of the spiritual world.
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That's as you know, this psychin kristin Meerbersborough. She was telling
me that this is a different lady. She goes to the battlefold occasionally,
well like she calls it cleaning outthe battlefield. Like she'll see soldiers just
say go to the light, goto the light, and they're scared to
go to the light, which maybegives some credibility of the first theory that
they're scared to go because they don'tthink they're worthy. Yeah, or I've
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heard the theory also that maybe theydon't know the battle is over. Yeah,
they just you know, they're stuckin a in a what they call
a time loop I guess of whereyou know it's going on, and they
don't think their job is done.Yeah, I mean, no one knows,
right, And that's and that's thewhole thing of paranormal field. And
like all the research that you're doingand telling the stories is you know,
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because everybody's curious and wants to figureout where we go when we die,
and you know, if all thisstuff is true. And I think it's
awesome that you've got so many peopleto give you first hand accounts for your
books. Yeah, it's funny somefolks to talk to you, and it's
all for an hour. The samefolks you're like shamed or scared. They
think their friends will think they you'recrazy. It's kind of all over the
board. And you talk to peopleabout paranormal Yeah, did you have anybody
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who who kind of pulled you asideand talked to you in secret and was
like, you know, I kindof want to be anonymous, or oh
yeah, I mean probably a partof the book was like don't use my
name. But a lot of peoplethey don't really care. But some people
in particular, and I found likeespecially in Murby'sboro, a lot of the
businesses don't want anything to do withthe paranormal. Yeah, they think it's
uh. There's a place in thesquare. It's one of the oldest buildings
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in Murphysboro. My wife and Iwere shopping in there one day and a
girl was like, oh, yeah, our building's haunted, and tell us
about the ghost. So when Istarted the book, I went there and
talked to the owner and I said, you know, one of your courachs
told my wife is places haunted.She said, oh, well, we
can't tell you that. I said, well why, she's like feet scared
that my employees. I said,manm your employees told my wife like yeah,
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that we don't want to talk aboutit. So I said, okay,
you're prerogative. Yeah, some places, they you know, embrace that
history and some places are a littlemore you know, want to want to
keep their distance from it, butthat's understandable too. So can you get
to places like Savannah, New Orleans. It's it's really hardcore embrace they it's,
you know, part of the economydown there put up here any seeking
little towns like Gallanton or Murdersboro.You're very conservative here too, so it
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could be something where like it goesagainst some religious principles. Right. You're
full of so much historical information andkind of giving them back stories. That's
always good to hear some of theirresearch. Yeah. I like to tie
things back, Like if I hearsomething is haunted, I want to figure
out why it's haunted. I liketo go back and dog and like there's
the place in Gallatin. Sorry ifI'm long winded. This guy told me
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the psychic National came in and shetouched the rail of the staircase. She
said, I can't come my rightarm and up my head. I got
a splitting headache. So I starteddigging and digging and digging. It took
me several weeks, but I foundout the owner of the building was a
considered soldier. He's a veteran,and he also his right arm and got
shot in the head. Wow.So I sent that when I definite.
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When I found that out, Isent a text message to the guy with
the information and he said, Ohmy God, like the hearing back of
my neck is standing up right now. Yeah, those those correlations are crazy,
especially for somebody to have that experienceand then you find out that history.
It's a lot of fun. Ienjoy it. I love the history
part. Have you ever you everbeen on a paranormal hunt with any any
ghost teams or I have, andthey're fun. But it's like I was
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on one a while back here inmil Tennessee, and I will say with
who it was, and this guyhe'd been on TV is telling me,
oh, I heard this. Iheard this, and I'm like, dude,
I just don't hear it. What'sit called? Those little boxes?
Were the ghost boxes? Yeah,if you want to hear something, you're
gonna hear something like can I goout out of EMF meter or digital recorder?
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I don't know. I try todisprove stuff, but sometimes I can't.
So yeah, I like to Ilike to refer to myself as a
skeptical believer because if I can,if I can prove it, otherwise then
it's not paranormal. I mean,that's the whole definition of paranormal was,
you know, the unexplainable. Youknow a lot of people are quick to
jump to noises or you know,something moving. I was at the Martiall
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House in Savannah a couple of yearsago, and I have a meter in
some equipment and I was a longend of the lobby and they told me
that a lady plays tricks in thebathroom and lost people in the stalls.
So I'm walking around and like,my ef met is just going nuts.
I call the managers and hey,once you know what I've got over here,
And he's like, well, sir, we just rewired this wall over
here. I said, okay,you got me. You're right I'm wrong.
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Yeah, yeah, And that happensmore than not. And then and
then also, you know, certainpeople are sensitive more sensitive the EMF and
it can cause all kinds of crazythings like hallucinations, you know, visual
and auditory hallucinations, and you know, people just that feeling of being watched
or like you're not alone. Yeah, I sty experience on the square pane
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Gallaton. Of course, tunnels area big thing in Middle Tennessee, and
you had them in Nashville, runningover Nashville. You had him under Murray
Garden. You had him in Gallaton. Supposed that they were used to move
troops or for the underground railroad.I have a different theory. But I
was down in the base of abilityin Gallatin and I was trying to take
a picture of this tunnel. Interestin the tunnel was stilled off and I
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took two pictures in my camera wouldn'twork. It was just like just a
my scream in black. So finallythe third picture I took, and I
took it showed. So I gothome, I showed my wife and it
turns out the first few picture actuallytook, but there's a big orb right
in the middle level. So thatwas just kind of weird that well,
I couldn't take a picture where Ithought I can't think a picture actually took
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it, but there was or pregnantlove it. Yeah, And it's weird
how you get some effects on yourequipment with you know, battery drains and
that type of stuff and just electronicsnot want to work. And so you
said you had a podcast, yes, sir, Southern Ghost Stories, Okay,
why did I do? And wedo put up two episodes each week,
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just places we've been to and justtry to have fun with it.
They're about ten minutes long each weekor each episode. It's nothing. You
know, some of these podcast forlike thirty forty five minutes or an hour
and yeah, I like, Ilike, just knock it out and get
it done. Yeah yeah. Wherewhere can people find that podcast? Always
in iTunes or people play Just whereveryou find podcasts, you'll find it,
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tit shirt and Spotify. Okay,all right, and you said that your
books available on Amazon or at someof the shops in Gallaton. If people
on the physically going there, ifthey go into a bout your book.
Are some of the shops, willthey be willing to talk to people about
the haunt history of the buildings?Oh yeah, two of the point well,
one of the places they moved.But at the other place almost Treasures
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on the Square. It's featured inthe book. A recent experience I had
back in the hall. There's anapp what is it called the Ghost Radar
or something, and it spits outwords occasionally. You know, I didn't
put a lot of stock in theapp. It's like a dollar or two.
I've always kind of silly well,I was walking with the owner of
the stairs and an old lady wasover on the side pigeon or something that
she dropped it as we were walkingup the stairs, so I needed the
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top of the stairs and my littleapp things is dropped. It was really
creepy. Yeah, I guess theycan get those things are kind of silly,
but you know, I guess theghosts can co manipulate that stuff sometimes
where it's actually you know, yeah, I thought it was just a joke.
I've tried to use it for wordto see people catching any anything in
places I knew where things were goingon. It never worked, but one
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it did. It was like onincidents, but it was a pretty leak coincidence.
Right. And then with your withyour book Southern Ghostories Historical Hauntings,
that's kind of just all around theSouth, just different locations. Yeah,
that was the first book we did. We had so many apps and there's
so many really cool stories and Ireally going in depth about travelers rest in
that book, about some of myexperiences over there living in Three Paul.
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I think I have the Roman Auditoriumin there. Some places in Savannah.
We've been to every place that Iwrite about I've been to and try to
talk to people and experience some ofthe stuff firsthand. Yeah, what kind
of experiences did you have when you'rewriting the historical Hauntings book. Well,
we talk about there's a place calledthe Currell Wheathhouse in Savannah, Georgia,
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and that's a really cool place.And supposedly the legend or lore is that
there is a wealthy man who washaving affair at his slave and his wife
found out about it and she jumpedfrom the second story of the building to
the coryard blow and kill herself.Well, supposedly Francis Cerell went and he
killed the slave, he hung herin her slave quarters, and ever since
then weird things happen in those slavequarters at little carriage house. Well,
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I was up there with my wifeand I said, Hey, anybody want
to talk to us? And assee as I said that, my camera
like shrows of these little slanted,squiggly lines. And it's never done that
before. Now I've had an Applelistence it came out. It's never happened
before, and it's never happened since. So that was something really kind of
cool. And I'd heard stories aboutpeople being touched or pushed, or hearing
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things or hearing noises and scrow Whehouseis a really cool plason Tonanta to check
it out. I think that's aboutall we got time for. I appreciate
you coming on with me today,you sir. You can find more information
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