What Are Aliens Doing on Earth? With Leslie and Stephen Shaw

On the Season 4 Finale we welcome UFO Researchers and authors Leslie and Stephen Shaw! We discuss their experiences with extraterrestials and UAP's, hear some of their new theories and opinions on the subject, and chat about their new book "Who Are They and What They're Up To".

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Episode Transcript

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Join us as we dive into thehistory, hauntings, and high strangers of
the world to try to better understandthe paranormal. I will be your guide.
I am paranormal researcher and investigator EricFreeman Simms. Welcome to The Unseen
Paranormal podcast. Hey everybody, welcometo the season four finale of The Unseen

(00:26):
Paranormal. I'm your host, EricFrememan Sims as usual, welcome back.
Thank you so much for listening tothe show. I want to say thank
you for all of the allfretending inthe season four. The show is growing
and growing and growing more and morefollowers every day, and if you could
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and that subscribe button that helps YouTubethrow it up in the algorithmrom where people
discover the show is grown by leapsand bounds on YouTube as well. We're
up to seven hundred followers on there, so that is awesome. But I'm
gonna take a break for about amonth or so and then we'll be back

(01:10):
with season five. Everybody needs abreak so we don't get burnt out.
I know some of you are gonnabe sad because you look forward to the
show every week, but hey,I still be here. So we're doing
things, stuff's and things. Wegot a strange of honey going on.
We got some more videos of Strangerof Haunted coming out. If you ain't
checked it out yet, go overto the YouTube page and please follow them.
Like on Facebook, we're up tothirty thousand views, which is insane.

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We've only put out two episodes ofthis docu series and some shorts and
we're up to thirty thousand views.So we don't have some big production crew
nothing like that. It is meand my buddy Austin Lawrence. We do
all of it the same as likehere on the show. I do everything
behind the scenes as well. Also, if you haven't heard yet, me
and my husband we bought a twohundred year old haunted house in hopkins Ol,
Kentucky. It's called the JM Nighthouseand that's k n IGHD and you

(01:57):
can go follow that page on Facebook. The JM nighthouse on Facebook and see
all of our renovations all that stuff. We're like eight hundred some followers already
and only on the house for goingon three weeks. So, but I
will be putting a lot of thehistory and we become an amateur archaeologist,
amateur genealogists and historians with this house. And nobody's ever dove into it and
got kind of the complete history.There's bits and pieces and stories here and

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there. But it is the oldeststructure in Hopkinsville and the oldest structure in
Christian County, Kentucky. So it'sa very historical house, very important house
to that community, and we wantto treat it as such. So coming
up very soon, we will alsohave the house open for private paranorm investigations.
You can rent the house out overnight. There're gonna be two price points.

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You can rent it from seven tothree. I think that's what we're
gonna start out with, and thenlater on the summer we will open it
up to actual sleeping in the housewhere you get the house from like seven
till nine am, and we'll havethat treaty of sleep in and all that
good stuff. So kind of aunique opportunity there. You don't get to
sleep in a lot of haunted locations. This house is amazing. There's nothing
evil, nothing demonic, none ofthat stuff over there. It's just a

(03:06):
really welcoming, awesome feeling. Thehouse is really weirdly built, but it's
amazing how to build at six differentlevels. But and it's massive. It's
five thousand square feet, so Icould sit here talking about the house all
day. I am in love withit. It feels like we have always
belonged there, and it just feelslike home, which is weird. A
completely different town, different state,and a different house than what I'm used

(03:30):
to. But anyway, that's enoughof that. Today we have two great
guests. They are the co authorsand husband and wife. They wrote a
book called Who they Are and WhatThey're up To, and it is Leslie
and Stephen Shaw, and we're talkingto both of them about their experiences with
what we would call aliens, extraterrestrialsUFOs, that type of stuff. They

(03:52):
have some new opinions and theories onwho they are and what they're up to
while they're here. What are theydoing on Earth? And this is not
your typical tenfold hat conspiracy theory,you know, thrown out you know,
conjecture and and all that stuff.Actually, I've been waiting on guests like
them to approach the subject of somesort of you know, visitation and impossible

(04:13):
abduction. They are very well educatedpeople. They have a very well educated
and thought out argument and opinions.And that's what we look for here on
the show. When people who arewho are credible, and whether you agree
with them or not, or believethat they believe or not, I think
it at least opens us up tothinking about what's beyond us and why they're
here, even if you don't thinkthat they're you know, interdimensional or anything

(04:38):
like that, whatever you believe theyare. If they are extraterrestrial, why
are they here? What are theydoing here? And they're they're posing their
side of the story of what theythink. And like I said, they
are very well educated people, verywell spoken people, and I really enjoyed
the chat with them. We willdefinitely have them back on the show to
talk about the uap UFO phenomenon again, extraterrestrials, interterrestrials stuffing. And we

(05:01):
have some great guests that I'm liningup for season five So that's enough the
business and the rambling. We willbe back in a month or so with
season five, So enjoy this episode. You all stay safe up there,
have a good day. We'll seeyou very soon, all right. Hey,
Leslie, Hey Stephen, thanks forjoining us today. Hi, thank
you for having us. Thank you. Yeah, it's my pleasure, my

(05:24):
pleasure. I really enjoyed the book, and for the the listeners out there,
they have a book out called Whothey Are and What They're up To
about the Alien Extraterrestrial UFO Phenomena UAP, whatever term you want to use.
Nowadays, they just keep coming upwith different terms. And they both have
had experiences with abduction and contact,and they have some new theories on who

(05:49):
these beings are and why they're hereand things like that. So I wanted
to have them on the show andtalk about the different aspects of kind of
not your normal tenfold hat alien conversation, which is what I really like.
So, Leslie, what are yourexperiences and what got you to believe in
this phenomenon and what's going on?Well, I had a completely non experience

(06:14):
life up until two thousand and five, but Stephen he had had experiences his
whole life, and I had been. To be honest, I was a
bit jealous. I really wanted something. I wanted an experience. Yeah,
And then in two thousand and fivethere was we were driving home at night
from an art meeting in twenty ninePalms and we were in Joshua Tree,

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heading towards our Yucca Valley home andI was driving and I was looking up
through the windshield forward and there wasa bright white light in the sky and
I thought at first it was aplane flying into Palm Springs Airport. But
it didn't have those extra lights thatplanes have, you know, the little
blinking running lights, And it wasn'tbehaving like a plane. It was just

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hovering there. And as we gotcloser and closer, it got brighter and
brighter and brighter, and then suddenlyit took off north and was gone over
the northern horizon in a quarter ofa second. When I guessed the speed,
I guess at around twenty thousand milesan hour, definitely a supersonic speed.

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And it went instantly at that speed. It didn't like ramp slowly up
to that speed, just instantly atthat full speed at poof gone, and
you know, a white light inthe sky can be any number of things,
but when it takes off at twentythousand miles an hour, and now
it can't be anything else, youknow. But it was about that moment

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that was kind of a life changingmoment. I had believed Stephen when he
told me his experiences, but untilyou see it yourself, you can only
believe maybe ninety five percent. Andthen once you see it though, then
yes, now I believe one hundredpercent. But Steven's experience has started when
he was like three, and itstarted with his actually goes back like multiple

(08:13):
generations. Yes, yeah, okay, this my term, I guess right,
Okay, when I was three yearsold, I would be fairly regularly
visited by this invisible being that wouldjump on my chest and my stomach and
my bed kind of like almost likea cat would jump playfully. It would

(08:37):
be you'd be fun, it willbe menacing, whatever, And I just
accepted it because my parents had toldme about the family spirit guide called old
gleggle O. Gleggley is a termthat apparently in Tunisian means my friend.
But anyway, so anyways, Iknew that we had this family spirit guide

(08:58):
that's what I was led to believe, so I did think too much about
it, and I certainly didn't tellmy friends at school. They think I
was in a haunted house, orI was weird, or is lying whatever.
So I was fast forwarding to aboutthe age of nine or ten.
I was sleeping in a bunk bed, on the top of a bunk bed,
and I was awakened by this strangesound that I did not recognize,

(09:20):
and I knew it wasn't the dogbecause the dog wasn't there. It was
just it was something weird. SoI got out of bed and I walked
down. I was walking down thehallway and it was dimly lit because the
light was on in the kitchen,and my heart was pounding, and I
was really kind of scared. Soin other words, I was in a

(09:43):
dreanal mode. So it was basicallyI wasn't sleepwalking. I was definitely awake,
and as I went to go turnthe corner to go into the living
room, I just black out.To this day, I still can't remember
what or what I saw. Theonly thing I remember is that a few
hours later, I'm back in thebunk bed, nicely tucked in and have

(10:09):
no memory of it, and hewas afraid when this happened. It's not
like he just rolled over and wentback to sleep or something, you know.
It was It wasn't like I wassleep walking. I was definitely my
heart was pounding all that, allthe type of stuff. Yeah, Interestingly,
a couple of years before that,I remembered kind of vividly seeing these

(10:30):
what I call a shimmery garden gnomes, about four of them, maybe five,
that were walking into my bedroom andI was I was again sleeping on
the top bunk bed, and mybrother Philip was sleeping on the bottom,
and I saw these these garden nomesand I kind of wasn't afraid, but

(10:52):
I was kind of a little scared, and so I kind of turned over.
But they were just like, youknow, like you think of a
garden number were about like about abouttwelve inches tall or something like that.
And so then anyway, so fastforwarding my brother Philip, when he was
about six to seven years of age, she spent two years full two years

(11:13):
sleeping in the closet in our room. And I asked Philips, said,
Philip, why are you sleeping inthe closet. He said, well,
you know, Steven, I'm afraidof the little men that come at night.
And I believed him because I hadremembered that, you know, yeah,
I'd seen the little men myself,okay, and so you know,

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I understood why he was why hewas scared. So anyways, I saw
my first UFO at about the ageof ten or eleven, and I saw
it at nighttime, about nine o'clockat night. I just happened to be
looking out the front door, lookingtowards the east, and I saw this
large orange globe that was just coveringand then moving from from south to north.

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And it certainly wasn't an airplane.It definitely was not an airplane.
It was solid. It was big, pretty big. And I called Griffith
Park Observatory the next night and askedhim about that, and they said,
you know, young man, youknow, said, you know, we
don't we don't have our our ourtelescope pointed that way. But I reported
it. So that was my firstwhen I saw that one. So but

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I was like again, I wasraised in the family that it was understood
that we had this protector called o'gleggley that would would help us out in
time to meet and indeed, OGleggley has and had helped out people that
were not even like see, mymy family bloodline came from Germany, uh

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my, the Newmans, which werepart Jewish German Jews, and then came
to England, became the Rose andthe Shaws, and then came to you
know, came to California. Sobut anyways, one of the interesting things
is that my uncle, Doug,Doug Griffiths, who is now passed,

(13:09):
he was married to my mom's oldersister and he was a pilot in the
Royal Air Force of the Great Britainand he was stationed in post World War
Two Ceylon, which is now SriLanka, so he knew about this protector,

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Okay. So anyway, he wasin a multiman tent that usually housed
about like, you know, twentyto forty guys, and he was awakened
in the middle of the night bythis tall, slender, dark figure with
a RedFest and this dark figure said, Douglas, you need to get out
right now. There's going to bea rating party coming through in the next

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minute or two and you will bekilled most likely. And he just intuitively
knew that this figure was old leglythat he'd heard about. So he just
he got up, got out ofhis cot, got out, got out
of the tent, and sure enough, a minute or two later, a
rating party came through and with machetesand with guns and killed several of the

(14:16):
officers. So he really he recountedthe story to me a couple of times.
Did he say that it also vanishedright in front of Yeah. Yeah,
also, yes, also vanished afterafter uh, after getting a warning,
give him the warning. But itwas it was one of these things
where again, you know, andmy uncle Douglass was not not a person

(14:37):
for you know, being fanciful atall. He was a very very wealthy
man, and he was very veryvery his cognitive skills were were terrific.
Okay, So yeah, he toldme this when I was when I was
like fifteen and sixteen years of age, and it just kind of, you
know, it melded with what Ihad seen from my mother. My mother

(15:00):
was an automatic writer, so washer mother and her mother's sister and by
the before then and also as anexample, when I was nine years old,
my mother picked me up from elementaryschool and she was bawling. She
was just absolutely in tears and Isaid, Mommy, what's wrong? He
said, my mother just died andsaid, well, she's in England,

(15:22):
and I know, how do youknow that? This is in nineteen sixty
nine, so you know telephones werenot like you, no internet anything like
that, right, So I said, well, she said no, I
got, I got contacted by byol Glegly, I got, I got
told I went into a trance andI was I had to go into the
trance and I wrote it down andmy mom died and so I said,

(15:45):
okay, and she told them.She told my dad when he came back
from from work, and my dadknew about Old Legley, so he didn't
like, see, no, let'scome on Irene but away. So the
next day, the next day,we get a call from England and official
word that you know that her momhad died. And this was like only

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one of three times that I knowof. When my grandfather died ten years
later, the same thing she knew, and then when Uncle Clifford died also
she knew before. And I'd seenmany of the things she had written down,
the stuff that she shouldn't have anyability to know. So this is
something that you know now. Mysister has decided to take up the automatic

(16:30):
writing and using spirit boxes, andapparently she has some talent too. I've
done it myself in the past whenI was young, and I did not
like it. I did not likethe feeling. So but anyway, so
long story short. For many,many, many years I thought that this
was like a family spirit guy.But what changed my mind was what happened

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in nineteen seventy nine, in Januaryof nineteen seventy nine, that my whole
family experienced in two different places,three of us, my father, my
sister, and myself in the FalberHouse in Woodland Hills, California, and
my brother and my mother that wereliving in the house that we were building

(17:14):
in Sonora, California, which isabout three hundred and fifty miles away.
So it started out the first nightwhere my dad in the morning time he
said that Noe, Stephen, mycloset doors opened and closed on me last
night, and I just kind ofbrushed it off, like, you know,
Okay, it was a dream,dad, right. So the next
night I had given my dad thisbook to read by paramounts Or Yogananda about

(17:38):
metaphysical meditations. So about nine thirtyabout half an hour after that, he
came into my room and he hadthis quizzical, you know, expression on
his face. He said, Stephen, I'm hearing silver bells. Now,
myself, being a lifelong musician,I know what a silver bell sounds like.
Right. So I went into theliving room, and sure enough,

(18:02):
by the fireplace, there was thesound of a shining silver bell inside the
wall, inside the two by farwall by the fireplace. So we looked
at each other and then I said, let's get Karen. My sister.
Karen is five years younger than me, so she was thirteen. I was
eighteen at the time, by theway, and she was kind of like

(18:22):
not wanting to have anything to dowith this kind of stuff, right,
So we got her to come inand she said, well, where's that
silver bell coming from? And sureenough, we all heard it at the
same time, and we banged onthe wall and looked at the chimney,
and you know, it went onfor about good ten or fifteen minutes and
then just stopped. Now, thenext morning, my dad would always call

(18:44):
my mom at the Sonora house tosay, you know, no, because
you know they're married, and wantto say how things are going. And
my mom said, you know,the weird thing was Jeffrey. Last night,
about about nine o'clock at night,nine point thirty that I heard this
bell and I thought it was thephone, and I picked up the phone
and there was this voice, amale voice on the other side that said,

(19:07):
I am the invisible on Beachie orsomething to that effect. I still
was, I have no idea tothis day my brother. I talked to
my brother Philip, who was sixyears younger than me, and I said,
Philip, did the phone ring.He said, no, the phone
didn't ring, but she picked upthe phone and this is what she said.

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So he this is happening at theexact same time that we were hearing
the silver Belt. So the nextnight, I was sleeping in my bedroom
and I was awakened by a whizzingsound in the ear. I go and
I just thought maybe there was abug or something like that. So I
just, you know, looked downthe hallway and I went back to bed

(19:47):
and ignored it, you know,and I rolled on my left side,
and then the bed was pushed fromthe base of the bed to gentle times,
like somebody was pushing the bed,And I thought, well, southern
California. Maybe it's an earthquake,so can you I continue to ignore it,
and then it gets pushed two timesagain a little stronger, and then

(20:10):
three times, then again a thirdtime, even stronger. And at this
point I'm getting kind of nervous.And then I get these three taps,
like somebody has an index finger andthey're tapping on my right deltoy, kind
of below the shoulder. There's atap, tap tap, And I thought,
you know, is somebody playing agame on me? Is somebody like
screwing with me? And I justrolled over and said what And there was

(20:34):
something there but I couldn't see it, and I knew something was there,
and then I just black out.And so the next night I told my
dad about in the morning at breakfast. But the next night I basically was
afraid to sleep in that bedroom,so I slept in my work clothes because
I was a cabinet maker, andwith my dad and I decided to sleep

(20:56):
in the living room on the sofa. So about five point thirty in the
morning, I awake. I'm layingon my back, face up, and
I look at my piano, thinkingabout what I was going to play that
day. Because I'm into this musicianand play the piano a lot. And
I listened to the little fountain inthe other room, so I was awake.

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I was alert, didn't want toget up, it was too early
because it was dark. And thenfrom behind me, from the front door,
which about twenty five feet behind me, this tall blue white energy being
or entity maybe six to seven feettall, just floated walked towards me,

(21:37):
almost like it knew that I wasawake, and the whole room was filled
with this intense blue white light.Again, tall blue white, and it
stopped by my right side. Tookmaybe about a second half to two seconds
to get there, and stopped.When it stopped, my whole right side
of my body just like you bicyctedright down the middle. The whole right

(21:57):
side of my body just went completelyfrozen. Not in a scary way,
but I could not move. Itcouldn't even like change with the position of
my eye. And it bent downto me and it set into my ear
from outside. It's send into myear, why Steve, and I couldn't

(22:18):
tell whether it was male or female, but I was thinking, I think
it because I make teen years ofage, you know, I think oh,
I'm going to see old Glegly.I'm going to see the spirit guy
that I've heard about my whole entirelife. And I was kind of excited,
but the other half of me wassaying, dude, you can't move.
You are you are immobilized. Sothe logical side of my my brain

(22:41):
is saying, you know, youcan't move. It was like saying curiosity.
So that went on for like,I don't know, five to fifteen
seconds or something like that, andthen the being just basically left and then
I just black out. Now,the thing that was interesting that I haven't

(23:04):
heard from anybody else so far isthat six hours later after this incident,
it was eleven thirty in the morning, and my dad and I were both
getting hungry for lunch, and Idecided to I'll go get lunch dad.
So I reached into my right handside pocket that had the money I had,
and I had a bunch of coinsand some nails and whatever. I

(23:25):
pulled them out, put them onthe table, and all the coins,
just standard American coins. They wereall magnetized. My dad myself didn't matter.
I could pick up the coins bythe edge, by the face.
They were all magnetized, it was. And I've tried to magnetize coins myself

(23:45):
for American points and I just havenot even with strong, strong magnets,
I have not been able to doit. Now they're specifically designed American coins
not to be magnetized so that theycan go in vending machines. And the
final the final occurrence was that Ihave no memory of whatsoever, but my
dad does. Was he woke upin the middle of the night and he

(24:07):
saw this intense blue white wall ofenergy. He called it. That was
outside of my bedroom because I decidedto go back to sleep my bedroom and
he was said, you know,being a British guy going through like World
War Two and also being in themilitary, he wanted to get up and
find out what the heck is goingon. So it was he was getting

(24:29):
out of bed and a voice insidehis head said, Jeffrey, just go
back to sleep. Nothing to seehere. Everything was okay, and he
went back to sleep. And Ihave absolutely no eric. I have no
recollection at all about what happened there. I mean, if he hadn't told
me that happened, I I was, I would have been clueless. It

(24:53):
seems like in our family that theseincidents tend to come in clusters like that.
This was in like five incidents infive or six days. We're not
sure if there was a day inthe middle Stone and my brother had his
set in nineteen eighty two. Yeah, he was. He was awakened in
bed. This is in the Sonorahouse where so central California, and his

(25:15):
bedroom window faced out over a dropoff about twenty five feet down to a
creek, and then on the otherside of the creek rose up a hill,
a steep hill with heavily forested andhe was looking out the window and
there was these two intense, brightwhite lights shining in his bedroom, and
because of the topography, we knewit couldn't have been a road or you

(25:37):
know, or something like that atall. And as he was staring at
him, then suddenly he blacked outinexplicably to him And then he was sixteen,
by the way at the time.Yes, And the very next night
he heard a scrabbling sound while he'slaying in bed, and he thought,
oh, it's a cat, it'sone of our cats, and he reached
down to pet it, and insteada hand abbed his wrist and he immediately

(26:03):
felt this shock of adrenaline and fear, but immediately after blacked out. And
then the third night, he actuallysaw a tall gray alien in his room
standing staring at him. He thoughtit was about six foot tall, and
as he was staring at it andat him, he suddenly blacked out again.

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And this is where after we startedcomparing notes of this is where we
start realizing what's going on. Atfirst we thought it is it a haunting
because it's it's in all different locations. It even followed us from Europe.
It followed from Europe. Yeah,and it matches a lot of different phenomena
too with haunting. The more researchwe did, we realized that this is

(26:44):
the signature for the alien abduction phenomenon. This this thing where you'll see something
and you might be terrified by it, but then suddenly you're just blackout and
have no memory of it till you'retucked nicely in bed. Yeah, the
lines being magnetized and the intense bluewhite you know, of being and I

(27:04):
have other stories that we actually haveon our Instagram page and that kind of
stuff at Leslie dot Shaw dot author. I wrote all the family experiences into
these series of it it's been,you know, for me. Basically around
about the age of thirty, Idecided to like know, things aren't adding

(27:25):
up for me, you know,you know, things were just like so
strange. I've had my life savedat least on a couple of different occasions
by what some people would call likean angel or a protector or your guide.
But for sure, even one ofthe dates was April first, nineteen
ninety two and Nicholas Canyon Beach,which is about fifteen miles north of Malibu,

(27:48):
and there's no way I should havelived, you know, So you
know, it's it's just like youknow, I really kind of you know,
especially when we found out from mybrother about what he saw, a
gray alien in his room. Thenit went dinged because one thing that is
a commonality in all the people thatI've known that I've seen, oh glegly,
it's always tall and skinny. Okay, tall and skinny, about six

(28:14):
to seven feet tall. Just appearsdifferently to different people, you know.
I think this when Steve describes andthe family does this too, when they
describe memory as being kind of glitteryor shimmery, I think this is evidence
of memory tampering. Because we knowthe Grays do this. They frequently people
will remember parts of their abduction,but when it comes to the face of

(28:37):
their abductor, they don't remember that, or they'll remember it as something else,
like Garden Knows, for example.The more I've always seeing homes,
Yeah, yes, so I thinkthat's them tampering with memories, which we
know for a fact they do.And as we looked into the phenomenon,

(29:00):
for one thing, it's bizarre.The theories at the time were that the
aliens are just curious about us andthey're taking samples for scientific research purposes,
but it turns out that really wasn'twhat was going on. What happens is
they pick a family that meets theirparticular criteria for whatever they're after, and

(29:22):
they'll pray on that family again andagain and again, taking them again and
again through their lives, and thenthey'll start taking their children and grandchildren.
And we think that's the phenomenon that'sbeen happening in Stephen's family, and that
this old Glegly person is really they'realien. They're gray alien handler, and
like any handler, they prey onyou, but they're also protecting you.

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And I think that's why there havebeen these a couple of life saving interventions
in the family too, by somespiritual entity that saved a family member.
Yeah, less, he's got agood announ you about that as far as
like ye, how the farmer andthe cow, it seemed to me that
they're not taking samples for scientific study, but rather harvesting a needed product.

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And I make an analogy in thebook of the farmer and his cow,
like the cow is out in thefield, and the farmer abducts the cow
every morning to remove the milk,and then he puts the cow back out
into the field to slowly generate moremilk so he can abduct it again and
take it again. And the farmerprotects his cow from predators so that he
doesn't lose his source of milk andhis prize cow. So I think that's

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what's going on with the phenomenon.And then we started reading more and more
about it and finding that about tenpercent of people that are abducted are women
who are impregnated while they're abducted,and then later four months later and then
they become pregnant, and then fourmonths later they're taken again and the fetus

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is stolen and this sometimes happens threeor four times in their lives. And
once I realized that they were doingthis sort of breeding program, this hybrid
alien breeding program, it occurred tome that that's that's more like you're trying
to infiltrate or possibly reintegrate with us. You know, we we don't think

(31:29):
that these beings are coming here fromdistant star systems. Now. We think
that they are cohabitating with us inour Solar System in underground bases here on
Earth too much. Yeah, andalso we believe they have bases on the
Moon and Mars and possibly other placesin our Solar system. So yes,

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they're extraterrestrials in that they come herefrom Mars or the Moon, but not
extraterrestrials and that they're coming here fromdistant star system. One of the things
we found that was very interesting asfar as like astronauts to go up on
you know, to go to theyou know, the space stations and just
go up on the for any anyany type of extended period of time.

(32:17):
UH. Their bioarrhythmic clocks, theysynchronize the circadian rhythm synchronizes to the UH
to the day on Mars within avery period of time. I mean,
this is the thing that that thiskind of blows my mind too, is
like, okay, what did weactually come from? Mars? And for

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instance, we can't even look atour own sun. You know, we
get we get, we get youknow, skin cancer really easily. We
don't take care of ourselves or alot. We're weird under it our entire
life. Yeah, it's it's asit's like we are not native to this
planet. You know, why whydo we? Why don't we? Why

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do we sink and eyes to tothe day of Mars? You know,
within like less than a week,you know, you go up in the
space. And what does to dealwith that? And we think the human
rights shows signs of you know,the story of the Ananachi and Sitchen's work
translating the Sumerian tablets and and uh, you know the Onanachy claim in these

(33:22):
tablets to have taken Homo erectus andturned us and uplifted us into Homo sapiens
so that we could be slaves forand they used their own DNA in order
to do this. And so ifif this is true, and it seems
like it might be true in thatour genome in the part of the speech

(33:46):
centers and the part of our girgenome brocus brain section of the genome actually
shows like a little add on stuckon the side. It's like shows signs
of actual tampering. And the neocore text it looks like it was tampered
with. According to what's his name, Jason Martel, Yes, it looks

(34:07):
like it was. You know,we're doing the similar thing with Crisper technology.
That's why we're tampering around, like, you know, curing certain types
of blindness and looking into like bringingback the mammoth and even the Dodo bird
for whatever reason. But no,you know me and heck and and for
anyone that doesn't know what crisper is. They basically can take and snip out

(34:30):
a piece of DNA and put inwherever they want, and it's it's just
technology is fairly new. It's beenaround, but they hadn't perfected it until
with like the COVID vaccine and things. That is what they're using it for
now in a way they maybe blindnesswith a certain type of blindness and what's
the sickle cell anemia. They've actuallycured their first patient with it. You

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know. Yes, that's the funnything is the human you know, twenty
four based pairs for the human genomes. For so the DNA, it was
fairly easy. Once they started gettingcomputers. They thought it was going to
take you ten years to decode it, and it only took a couple of
years whatever, And so it's reallyreally simple. In fact, the octopus

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is a lot more complex than weare in that way. But I've been,
you know, preparing to write thebook, I was reading UFO accounts,
by the thousands of them, andI started seeing this recurring pattern where
people were seeing UFOs launched rather fromnot coming from outer space, but coming

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up out of our planet somehow.In fact, Stephen's second sighting, yes
he saw one coming up out ofthe ocean off of Malibu. Yes.
And I kept hearing this again andagain. UFO is coming up out of
lakes, umfos coming up out ofthe ocean, up out of mountains and
volcanoes, out of ridge and massAnd I thought, well, and they're

(36:06):
scenes so often. That's another thingthat put me off, the they're coming
here from distant star systems. Ideawas that these sightings are actually about ten
thousand worldwide per year every year forhundreds of years, maybe thousands of years,

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and it just was streaming credulty thatthey're coming here from these incredible distances.
And when I read this book thatStephen has on Admiral Byrd's original diary,
most people have heard of it,but a lot of people, most
people haven't fully read it. Andhe's describing a meeting he had with these

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beings that live under the ice sheetof antarcticacy and like a city under the
ice sheet. Yeah, luckily I'vegot an original copy that came out in
nineteen ninety two when I was apupuncturist, and I was lucky enough to
get an original copy of that.And before that, before I read that,
I was trying to compare all thedata I had with this idea that

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they were coming here from distant starsystems, and it just wasn't making sense
again and again. But as soonas I read this account of Admiral Birds,
and then I heard about the Operationhigh Jump incident where Birds armado.
He was tasked in nineteen forty sevenwith taking an armada to Antarctica destroy what

(37:32):
they thought was a Nazi base underthe ice sheet, and when he got
to Antarctica, the armada was attackedby flying saucers that flew up out of
the water and attacked the ships,and it sank a destroyer and down about
half of his carrier based aircraft andkilled dozens of men. And I believed

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that this diary afterwards, that afterthis happened, they turned tail and ran.
This six month operation was over intwo months, and they ran back
to South America. And he wasquoted he gave an interview to an Argentinian
magazine, I believe, and theysaid he said that America now has an

(38:22):
enemy that can travel from pole topole in a matter of seconds. And
then he went back to Washington andwas debriefed there and muzzled for the rest
of his life, you know,except that his diary was found in his
amongst his personal effects by his sonand posthumously published. And in this diary

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he describes this meeting with these peoplethat live under the ice sheet, and
again so many times. These people, I'll call them, they're essentially human
looking. He described him as aman with a Germanic accent, and you
know, a tall, blonde man, you know, I meant, and

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what was the Valiant Thoor is thisguy who landed a spaceship in Virginia and
I think it was fifty three,right, and he'd asked me taken to
our leader and he spent three yearsat the Pentagon and he was a Caucasian
red haired man. And Mortic aliensare described as men as far as they're

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indistinguishable from Swedes, Scandinavians, tall, blonde, blue eyed, green eyed
people. And the more I heardthis, I kept thinking, well,
I think that these are cousins tous that possibly separated from us thousands of
years ago. And we go agreat deal into the book as to our

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theories as to when this separation occurred. We can definitely support in our books,
definitely support with scientific fact as faras ca Yeah, one of the
things has always fascinated me with thetopic. And for whatever reason, I
was a kid, I was alwaysfascinated by by UFOs and aliens and I
you know, iconography of it,and as a kid, I just had

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all these you know, black lightposters of aliens and I was into it
for I don't even know why,you know, it just fascinated me.
But one of the things that I'vealways thought as I've gotten order and got
more educated and dove down these rabbitholes and done the research. Is they
there's a huge jump in the fossilrecord. We have all these fossil records
for dinosaurs and these other animals thathave evolved, and we can show their

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evolution, you know, but withhumans going from the caveman Homo erectus even
on back to the more primate typeupright walk and humanoids, there's this huge
jump and this huge gap in thetree, and it seems like we just

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jumped straight into being what we arenow from those earlier versions. So it
seems to me, like, whywhy don't we have that fossil record?
And then when they do find fossilsit may be a tooth or something like
that. There's never yeah, there'sthere's no full skeletons or anything like that
that they ever find. And whywouldn't we be fossilized just like you know,

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all the dinosaur bones we find,are all of the other fossils that
are easily found missing links, biggaps in the fossil record for humanity between
Ostrolopithecus and Homo habilists. This isthis first missing link, and this is
the biggest missing link really, becauseOstrolopithecus has a foot like an ape.

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The big toe is a thumb,like she'll look some kind of thing.
And then Homo habilis has a humanlike foot, and where's this? And
you know, unfortunately, we dohave big gaps in the fossil record because
fossils need a very specific type ofclimate in order to to to be created,

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and if, for instance, anythingthat was in the tropics, we'll
never have a fossil record of itbecause it's gone. And they I heard
something like we only have about twopercent of the fossil record for so there
could be there could be missing linksthat we just don't have. But uh
yeah, but especially with the secondus missing link is from Homo erectus to

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Homo sapien. And this is anothervery large gap in that it looks like
a couple of million years worth ofevolution took place about in a couple of
thousand years, you know, andit just makes no sense. And except
and then we look at the Brocusbrain and this bizarre add on to the

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genome and it starts to make sense. In fact, that Carl Sagan wrote,
you know, forty years ago nowright about broken his brain. That
was one of his books as faras the evolution of our ability to all
of a sudden gain the ability tospeak and understand language and communicate makes such
a huge difference. You know,for instance, like you can't understand blueprints,

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You can't understand so many things.You can't get things built in any
type of way, like the pyramids, unless you have a written language and
you can understand how to be ableto communicate. You can't just say,
let's just do this. You know, it has to be a plan.
You have a blueprint. And thebig difference between Homo erectus and Homo sapien

(43:50):
is the creative abstract thinking. Yess. The way the analogy I make is
that Homo erectus would have drunk froma streams just like an ape does.
They with it maybe cupped water intheir hand or leaned over to slurp it
up. But Homo sapien makes ahouse and a chair and a cup and

(44:15):
drinks from and sits down comfortably todrink from these things because you can imagine
and invent. And it was anenormous difference in the brain from this short
and we're currently Homo sapient sapient,which means we have a neo cortex and
we have much more ability to havecreative imagement thinking. So we're like the

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next the next generation. So andyou know, we're already looking at you
know, like star children. They'rebeing born that are actually actually more more
of an evolution from Homo sapient sapien. It's pretty pretty amazing. Like I
saw a video not long ago wherean eighteen eighteen month old boy was sitting

(44:59):
at a piano, just like apianist would sit, just sitting at a
piano, and he was he wasplaying without music. He was playing a
simplified version of Claire de Loom byClaude Debousse and just eighteen months of age,
just knows. And you're seeing thata lot more. You're seeing kids
that are being born with telepathy,that just have you know, advanced advanced

(45:23):
abilities. And this is I thinkis part of the whole part of the
breeding program, part of the upliftingI think I think we are. Wasn't
I think both on agreement to thatthat you know that the human race is
being uplifted, and we think it'sstill going on. In fact, I
read a statistic recently where over thelast three thousand years our genetics has changed

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seven percent and this is much fasterthan evolution can account for. Yeah,
so once again we think and weknow they're doing this. I couldn't I
couldn't believe how bizarre it was asI was reading it, and I said,
oh my god, I have towrite about this. Yeah. So
the more we started, the morewe start to look into it from a

(46:09):
logical and also factual basis, thisis what we're being presented with. Plus
also with my background and Lessey's background, with both professional people and also with
my experiences, it all started tolike snick and you know, without going
down rabbit holes, said, youknow what is more likely, You know,
if you hear, if you hearhoof beats, Like in medicine,

(46:30):
we say, if you hear,if you hear hoof beats, look for
horses first and not zebras. Right, you know, so ninety nine point
nine percent of the time it's goingto be horses. You know, I've
been I've been to ken yet,so I've actually seen zebras so so yeah,
but you know, so, yeah, there are those times. You

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know. One thing I liked aboutour theories was it doesn't require any theoretical
science to be in existence. Theoreticalis required. Yeah, you know,
we're not talking about faster than liketravels, so we don't need that,
and we don't need wormholes to exist. We don't need interdimensional travel to be

(47:12):
real, and we don't need timetravel to be real. Yeah, it's
as less. You pointed out toothat in the early text like the Bible
and the Maha Baratah and even theold Chinese texts and the kind of stuff
they talked about, good old rocketrythey talk about by chair dragon. Yeah,
all right, so yeah, we'relooking at you know, sounds like

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rocketry to me, good old fashionedright. Well, and also there,
I mean there's paintings from the twelveand thirteen hundreds that have some of those
things in the background. Yeah.Yeah. And then and then even going
back, even going back to themines and Aztecs, you have carvings that
would look like it's the agent alientheory. It looks like an alien and

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they're they're breathing through apparatus and itlooks like they're in a rocket ship.
Aero damn it, aerodynamically correct aircraftyou know that are little gold pieces you
know, that are actually can buildit also where the thing will fly,
you know. Yeah, And it'sa it's all these pieces that add up
that make it very plausible to meand I and and that's why I want

(48:21):
to have you all on because Ithink the way that y'all go through it,
Like you said, you don't haveto make any leaps in physics or
anything for this theory to be plausibleand to be believable. And and looking
at all the things, all thepieces together. You start the book off
with talking about the history of contactand with the government and things, and

(48:44):
how that kind of fits in andmakes sense as well. And yeah,
it all makes sense together. Forsure. You had to assume with chapter
one, you know, I hadto assume that there'd be people out there
that knew nothing about the UFO phenomenonthat would pick up the book, and
so I did. Like the firstchapter is almost a UFO one oh one
course about eighty years of history andalmost in bullet point form in the US.

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Yeah, and then chapter two isabout the new disclosure policy and the
new incidents that have been released tothe public, the tic TAC, the
go Fast, the gimbal and theyou know, the military witnesses and what
they saw and heard during their encounters, and then we we after that,
I figure we've brought people up tothe level where we can start discussing our

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theories. And I prefer mass sightings, and then I only focused on them
as far as we have a coupleof rare ones where I use just a
single person sighting. But I likemass sightings because you know, one person
seeing something in the sky, theycould be mistaken or crazy or any or

(49:52):
whatever. But when three hundred peoplecall the cops and say there's a UFO
in my backyard, you know,then I figure that's that's definitely a real
incident. And also I'd like tomention Leslie that to the audience that you
were actually a semi retired journalist,and so that's why that's one way the

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reason you sit down to write thebook and had to know how you didn't
just all of a sudden become anauthor like you've been writing for years as
a journey based And although I didthe lion's share of the writing, Steve
wrote his family history for the book, and also Stephen has A. He
was a doctor of a Chinese medicine. He's retired now, so he has

(50:37):
a much more scientific education than Ido. And he also had a lot
more geology and stuff, and Ineeded him. I needed expertise desperately for
the stuff we wrote about the brain. I needed help there, and I
did a lot of the I dida lot of the research for the book,
and also my journey to try anduncover what was going on started about

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when I was thirty. So I'veread you know, a couple of Times
the Gods Have Eaten by Bramley.That goes into a lot of the stuff
of the the woodcuts that show youknow, uh uh you know uh aliens
in the sky that are having battles. And of course I read a lot
of Gream Hancock stuff, and andthen Michael Chemo's stuff, well, yeah,

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forbidden archaeology and archaeology. Yeah,all fascinating. By the way,
my in factor I've read, I'veread, I've read a lot before,
you know, the whole, thewhole, you know, a smartphone type
of I did a lot of theafter. We were a good team,
because you know, I came atmy minord in college in ancient art history

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and that helped a lot with lookinginto the the anomalous architecture of the past.
That makes no sense unless you startlooking at our theory, so then
it makes then it starts to makesense. And still to this that you
still hear people talking about the GreatPyramid as being toombs. I want to

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just shout with them, They're nottombs. For God's sake, you know
what I mean. It'd be likesaying, okay, you put you put
limestone to make them bright white,you put a gold cap on there,
and you might put an it showssign. Get it here. Yeah,
okay, I am buried here.Here, eat it, Joe here,
I am Here's all my goal?No, no, no value the kings.

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Yeah, anyone who studied the ancientEgyptians to at all and knows anything
about their psychology. They were desperatelyafraid of having your tombs shroud and raided
and their corpses defiled, and they'rethey're good stolen and stuff. And so
the idea that they would bury themselvesin the most conspicuous building in the world,

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I can't think of it. Isthere a conspicuous building, you know,
anywhere on the planet. There isdefinitely not. And it was absurd
and it still is. And afterI read Chris Dunn's book, have you
ever read that? Fascinating what's it'sIt's the pyramid power Plant, I think

(53:12):
is the title of the book.He has this theory that's backed up by
a lot of evidence that the pyramidsare actually power plants and sources of energy,
and that makes sense why they wouldhave them all over the world in
all these different pyramid coded that's aboutlike twenty five years old now, But
it also comes down that book verygood. And also the time period at

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which they were built is ridiculous.There they attribute them to copper, not
even bronze copper wielding too makers atthe time. And the main, the
big chamber, the grand chamber ofthe of the Great Pyramid, is lined
with rose courts, very high qualityrose courts, about a seven on the

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most scale of hardness scale. Andyou could take a copper tool and whack
it all day long on this roadcourse and you'll just wreck the roll,
you know, won't make even adent in it. And to think that
these these people built these pyramids,and oh and then they're supposed to have
rolled them up a big ramp withlogs. They don't even have hard woods

(54:22):
in the area. All of thewoods there are soft woods, and it
would it was just these fifty tonblocks that's the average size. The larger
ones are seventy tons. It wasyou know, the fact that they built
this thirty story dirt ramp or moreto get these blocks up to me is
just ridiculous. And then they gota two mile long there's no tailing pile.

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There's no evidence as far as thisis bs as far as we're concerned.
And the Great Pyramid has two pointthree million blocks in it, and
it was supposed to have been builtin twenty years for this this pharaoh,
so it could be his tomb,right and plus during that time, during
that time frame, it was amuch more a tropical environment, and they

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the you know, the denial andeverything like the the actual time for building
was not twenty four seven, threesixty five, so it was also it
was also uh you know U limitedin that way too sore there, you
know it was done. For instance, I always like I was lucky.
My dad and I we we kindof saw eye to eye and a lot

(55:34):
of things. And I didn't wantto be cabinet maker, but I became
a good cabinet maker. But mydad and I about nineteen seventy eight,
nineteen seventy nine, we happen towatch on TV what's called the Coral Castle
there are I was gonna bring it. It's funny bring that up, because
that's what I had in my mindbringing up. Then in modern day you

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had the Coral Castle and the guybuilt all these Yeah, it was fast
saying. We saw that, andbeing builders, you know, we were
just absolutely floored by it because there'sno way this guy one hundred pounds,
dripping wet that was building it forhis fiance that was supposed to come over
from from you know, from EasternEurope that never came over. But he

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made these stincts and he always workedat night. Nobody saw him building stuff.
But he said definitively that I'm notgoing to tell you how I did
it, because I know how theEgyptians built pyramids, and you know,
mankind is not not ready for thisknowledge. So but yeah, he built
this back in the nineteen twenties,nineteen thirties, I agree with him that

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we were ready for He had ahit. He had just like on a
tripod. His tall try body hadthis like little black box that mysteriously disappeared
when he died. But that waslike the tool he was using. He
was used moving twenty ton twenty tonblock of coral by himself. You know.

(57:00):
It was like, you know,this stuff is like amazing. It
just blows my mind. He hadpH d two PhDs one in magnetics,
I believe, and engineering. Yeah, he had a couple of so I
have the feeling that somehow magnetics areinvolved. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
if I remember correctly. He alsodid like a ten that you can push

(57:22):
with one finger. It's a twoand a half ton door. But yes,
I do still amazing trying to movethat by yourself, you know,
and tons and putting it on apivot. You can move it with a
finger. Yeah, you know it'syeah. And then and then you get

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into other places like Goliah and golikely Tapley Teppy, I can't talk to
my res and Machu Pichu, andyou're talking about these stones that fit together.
So I think they said half thewidth of a humans only sixty seven

(58:07):
microns, So half that is likethirty microns, which is like nothing.
And these these places have lasted forthousands of thousand years too, but by
the way that they've built them,and we're talking about Egypt and the Pyramids,
not even to mention the Sphinx,right, and all of the controversy
behind that with them, you know, they they have like you were saying,

(58:27):
it was it was tropical environment atone time, and they have the
evidence on the Sphinx that it waseroded by water rain water, and it
was built way before and I thinkit was Cufu had the face changed to
the Fu himself, but it wasrehabbed by him and it would have been
long gone if he hadn't rehabbed it. But but yeah, there's so many
examples of that. And I usedto think when I was younger and way

(58:50):
more naive and stupid that you know, I thought the h and alien stuff,
you know that first came on TV, it's just crazy people. And
then the more I've actually watched itmore like, no, no, they're
they're providing evidence. And when youactually look at all this stuff, and
like we're saying, put together allthese pieces, it really does make sense.
As crazy as it sounds, itreally there is real evidence. There's

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so many industries like that in theancient art world, like Saksuemon is my
favorite. Actually it's at twelve thousand, four hundred feet I think about,
and the largest blocks are two hundredtons. And these walls that they built
are in this crazy zigzag pattern,triple zigzag pattern, and they don't go

(59:37):
all the way around the facilities,so they have nothing to do with defense.
I think they might be the onuAaki were after gold, right,
that was their big thing. Andif the Onanaki were involved, these these
zigzagging walls kind of look to melike sluices. They look exactly like this.

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The station we were to run likea if you know, run a
ton of water. And remember atSaksuman there's a of at the top.
There's this enormous round circle of foundationthat looks like it may have had a
water tower on it at one point. So I just visualized them filling this
thing up with water and then runningit through this all the water through the

(01:00:21):
sluices to separate out the heavy metalsout of it. And uh and this
uh. All of these areas theywere attributing stuff to the incas, Matupichu,
sakum On, they're all attributed andthe entire road system through the andes

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you know, and this the Incasdidn't have machines, they didn't have beasts
of burden, and they were bronzeage tool makers. And uh Saksuman is
made of andesite, and andesite isthe same hardness as as granite. It's
also a seven on the most scale. And again a bronze tool on granite,

(01:01:07):
it just will wreck the tool,there's no way. And then so
they were attributing the ink this tothe Incas, you know, I think
what five hundred AD or something likethat, and it was here, yeah,
and the Incas themselves said, ohno, we didn't build this stuff.
It was here when we got here, right, you know. And
then not too long ago, oneof the great pyramid cities in Peru called

(01:01:32):
carl Supe, there was a break, one of the stones broke and opened
up this area underneath the pyramid andthey found this grass netting and for once
they're able to you know, wecan carbon date that stuff, right,

(01:01:52):
and so they carbonated it and carbondated to five thousand years old. So
this proves there's a pyramid building culturein this area five thousand years away before
the way, you know, thousandsof years before the ankles of which we
know zip. We know nothing aboutthem, you know, except that they

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love building giant pyramids and giant citiesand Machu pichu Is. It's a little
lower elevation, but it's on thiscrazy steep slope that just plummets a thousand
feet down to a river gorge,and it's on two earthquake faults in the

(01:02:39):
area. And now we know thesethings were built five thousand years ago,
but they're built so well that thecity has not fallen in spite of the
fact being on these earthquake faults.You know, it comes around too when
you say that whenever earthquakes happen,massive magnetic charges are just charged with the

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plates rubbing together. So it's interestingthat they would build it purposely on these
two faults. Probably it was purposelyto maybe, you know, go back
into what we're talking about with themagnetics and things and harness and that incredibly
remote site in the middle of nowherethat makes almost no sense. You know.
Even Tesla said that the Earth isbasically one huge magnet, you know,

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and he was like working with Westinghouse, he was, you know,
famously he was trying to give freeenergy to the world, like around nineteen
nineteen oh one, nineteen oh two, and Westinghouse didn't say, okay,
all right, fine, you cando Niagara Falls or whatever that would be
and make these great generators that arestill working today. You know, when

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it came to the point of likegiving you know, free energy to the
world, so well, not goingto do that. Yeah, how do
we charge him? We can't.Dennis Lee. We used to be good,
big followers with Dennis Lee. I'dhad some of the original tapes.
This guy was famous back in thelate seventies and the eighties. He was
taking solar panels and not using water. He was using what was at liquid

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nitrogen or something like that. Hesaid, you know, he was using
a liquid that basically would would notfreeze unless it got to below like you
know, one hundred degrees below zero. And so I said, if you
use this instead of water, youcan have solar panels and basically free energy.
You put in like one and ahalf units of energy to get back

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to and a half units of energy. And he did this in fifty thousand
houses around the United States, includingeven like motels, and it was so
so effective. And the mistake hemade was he contacted the nuclear power industry
saying, hey, I can makeit more efficient where we can decentralize the

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power where and instead of like havinglike in this central thing, it's like
everybody's got their own little power plantand then we take the power from them
back to the central thing. Thatwill make it more efficient. Well,
once that got known, he washe was basically sued for a million dollars

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saying that he was falsifying data andselling this information in the newspapers. He
called a press conference. In thepress conference, nobody showed up. Well,
actually before that he had his house. He was arrested on a misdemeanor.
But he was immediately jailed and spentlike a year in jail on a

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misdemeanor charge a million dollars. Andyeah, bail was set at a million
dollars, billion dollars from mister Meterand you know it. And then they
rained his workshop and stole absolutely everythingin his workshop and he's never been given
it back. In other words,he was stepping on the toes of the
power industry, and the power industrybought their judge obviously, And and yeah,

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this guy was just droned out ofthe was It was the first person
to be set a million dollars ona misdemeanor and when he got when he
raised a million dollars, the judgesaid, nope, you're not getting out.
Oh yeah, he spent an yearand a half in jail on a
misdemeanor just because you know, hisstuff worked. But this is disc citious

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and how insidio insidious it really is. It really is like, yeah,
they definitely don't want us having freepower. And if that hasn't been telegraphed
well enough, then I hope we'vejust done it again. Don't don't the
free power? That's that's definitely ano no here in the US. Yeah.
So with all the all the latestdisclosure and things of the government,

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where do you think that is going? Do you think they're just kind of
giving us a little taste of allshow up about it? Where do you
think that's going to go? WhenLuis Alesando, the head of a TIP,
released his videos to the New YorkTimes and his story, you know
before that the government was always juststonewalling us, saying all this UFO stuff

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is bunk. It's weather balloons ormass hysteria or swamp gas. And they
were that. They just stonewalled usfor eighty years straight on that, and
then suddenly, when Luis released thestuff, the DoD came out and released
a statement saying, the phenomenon isa real phenomenon and we don't know what

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they are, but this is reallyhappening, and you know, our military
is seeing these things, and allour collective ufology jaws hit the floor because
until that moment they had been justcompletely stonewalling us, and we all thought,
oh, this is great, thisis an new era of transparency and
disclosure. And no, that's notwhat's happening anymore. They're still punishing whistle.

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Fact. Just two months ago,the Pentagon came out basically saying,
okay uh, a new report sayingthat from Arrow, saying that there's that
there are there are no extraterrestrials,there are no aliens. But in our
book, which we basically clarify whythey're actually it's the it's the lie sandwich.

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You know, you know, acouple of couple of lies and there's
the truth in the middle, youknow, over a couple of a couple
of truths with a line in themiddle. So yeah, so when they're
saying that there are no extraterrestrials.They're actually kind of they may be right,
you know there there if they're sharingthe planet with us as we surmise,
and they're cousins to us as wesurmise, you're interrestrials. Yeah,

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we call them intra terrestrials. Sothen yeah, they're they're they're lying without
kind of wine, you know,right, and you know when the but
I will say this when I lastsummer, when the two pilots and the
intelligence officer Grush, David Grush,when they were on the House floor testifying

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into the congressional record, that thisis a real phenomenon. We have their
crash ships, we have dead biologicbodies, we have this, that and
the other thing. Of course,that wasn't news to the ufology circles.
We've known that for decades. Butwhat was news to me was the fact

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that they're seeing this stuff every singletime they go out on maneuvers. The
three videos of Elizondo's that must justscratch the surface of how much video they
have on these things. And they'renot sharing obviously those things anymore. And
the pilots, it was Ryan Gravesthat said this every single time we go

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maneuvers, these things are dogging us. These things are following us, and
we have theories about that. Wethink they're particularly interested or scared of our
nuclear weapons and are monitoring all ofour nuclear weapons all around the world at
all times. Yeah, China,Russia, doesn't matter, UK, which

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I think is more testimony to ourtheory because you know, if they were
from distant star systems, they mightbe slightly concerned that we'll blow ourselves up,
but would they commit those kinds ofresources to following our nukes. Absolutely,
every single time we go out onmaneuvers, including Russia and China and

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anybody else in England, anybody whohas nukes, they're monitoring them all the
time. We think in the game, you know, and there have been
plenty of incidents where they've shut downyes, nuclear sites in the US,
in Russia, China and all yeah, the world to say, look we
can do this. If this iswhat you want to do, we can

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just shut it down. That wecan still, we can shut you down
anytime we want. The Malmsterm incidentcomes to mind, especially a famous one,
you know, that incident to famousone too, and also stuff in
like you know, places, andanytime they go out, I mean anytime

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we have like a nuclear base ora nuclear uh facility of some kind,
even if you're just research and developmentuh, they report UFO activity around them.
They're definitely monitoring and watching it.And when in our book we say
and what they're up to, that'swhat they're up to. They're reading with

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us, interbreeding with us. Ibelieve to infiltrate our numbers and cause us
to you know, denuclearize, youknow, from kind of change just from
the inside. Yeah, you know, Leslie and I are are pretty much
in agreement on that. But theway I see it is that the human

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race is kind of an experiment thatkind of got out of hand, you
know that. I don't think theyexpected to be eight billion and be quite
as barbaric. They even even themeeting with the Master that that Admiral Bird
had, the Master said that,you know, normally we don't you know,

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you know, participate, We don'thave anything to do with you guys,
know whatever. But you know,since you've cracked, you know,
you split the atom. You know, ferme A and Oppenheimer had to do
with that, right, So sinceyou split the atom and you're playing around
the stuff that they had to totake more of an interest because that they

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live here. Okay, they don'twant to have their home blown up to
At the same time, like Isay, again, they have skin in
the game. You've got to lookat what is the most obvious, the
most uh you know, a logicaluh uh possibility. You know, they're
not just interdemi internmentials that are comingfrom God knows where they actually live here.

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And actually you can look at itin the Bible. You can look
in the different places as far asyou know, building an arc, you
know, the disembodied voice. Thereare over twelve hundred different flood myths that
always have one thing important in uh. That's that that is similar as far
as like the disembodied voices either goto the highest place you can build an

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arc or to build a city undergroundlike that Garant Cuyu in Turkey. So
but always they had forewarning. Thatmeans that a year or two in advance
that the human race or whatever hadthe ability to have advance astronomy. Probably
like even if you look into Atlantas, Atlantis apparently had flying vehicles. So

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we had advanced astronomy and we knewin advance that there was going to be
a catastrophe. So and it's alsoin our book too. We go into
detail about that too. As faras the Great Bloody, we now have
evidence that it really did have y. Yeah, it's verifiable, and we
talked about in the book. Unfortunately, since we wrote the book, the

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creator that we thought was the causeof the great flood turns out to be
much older, like forty eight millionyears old. But then right after that
was discovered the younger Dryass comet impactzone just a few hundred miles west of
there. So I apologize to ourreaders who've read the book already when you

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read the word Hiawatha, swap itout for the younger Dryas comed Yeah.
I always make the kind of likehumorous guys. I say, you know,
it's it's it's still kerdel Mustard withthe knife, but he was not
in the kitchen. It's Colonel Mustardwith a pipe in the living room,
in the conservatory. But it's stillColonel Mustard with the knife. Yeah,

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so the same thing happened. It'sjust the same thing happened. We know
that twelve about thirteen thousand years ago, you know, there were these this
mass extinctions of animals and the Clovispeople as well. Yes, in North
America. They were all wiped outabout the same time, the wooly mammoth,
the macodom, the saber chief cat, and the Clovist people and a

(01:15:36):
bunch of other animals. And thenthey discovered nano diamonds around the Labrador Seau
north, you know, northeast quadrantof the North America. And the concentration
was highest in this north region.And the Hiawatha Crater is just five hundred

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miles northeast of the Labradors and theyounger Dryass comet impact zone is like five
hundred miles southwest. So who knewthere were two impact zones within five hundred
miles of the Yeah, And itfooled other scientists. Some of the scientists

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that did the nanodiamond research, theygot fooled as well. But because they
discovered these nanodiamonds and they form inno other way except celestial impact events.
The dust that comes in on themetior the asteroid of the comet exactly,
it brings this dust particles with itand it superheats and forms these little microscopic

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round diamonds, and as soon asthose were discovered in the soil of thirteen
thousand years ago up in this quadrantof the North American continent, then we
knew we had a smoking gun ofa celestial impact of some kind, and
it was just a matter of timebefore we found the crater and the correct
crater. But I think this isthe source of all of the flood myths.

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I read a book in my youngeryears. I read this guy named
Fraser wrote a book in seventeen hundreds. He had isolated five hundred separate cultures
worldwide that had a flood myth thatsounded remarkably like each other, almost exactly
the same. And since then,since the seventeen hundreds, a lot more

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of these flood myths have been discovered. There's something like twelve hundred of them
now. So there's twelve hundred separateNoah stories all around the world, and
every different culture all around the worldalmost has this myth in its most ancient
lore pointing to this. And wethink this may be the cataclysm that separated

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our race into surface people. Thatthe Porschmucks that were almost wiped out to
a man and the few surves ofwhich were thrown back into the Stone Age,
and those that successfully evaded destruction andwith their knowledge and technology intact and

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their culture intact lay in the book. Yeah, and we go into the
uh the ancient Sumeria creation story thatremarkably fits the facts of the setup of
our solar system. It's I hopewe haven't spoiled everything for people. There's
a lot of stuffs aca. Yeah. And the spiritual connection to Stephen is

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a very spiritual person. He wasa tai Chi master and as you know,
taichi is a moving meditation and init opened the chakras, his chakras
a lot, and he became anastral projector. And it seems that it
seems like that that the psychic connection, there is a definite psychic connection between
that and them and the abduction phenomenon. I believe it's one of their criteria

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for choosing a family, and Stevecomes a very incredibly psychic family. He's
still taking my mind, pulling stuffout of my head. I do the
same thing with my husband. We'vebeen together almost twenty years, and when
we first got together, he's likehe didn't believe any of the paranormal stuff.

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And he's not into any of theparanormal stuff, right, And he
didn't even believe about when I toldhim I was an impath and like,
you know, I do all thesethings that I just know. And now
we'll be sitting in the car,you know, twenty minutes not really talking,
list in the radio, and thenone of us will bring up just
a random topic and the other onewas thinking it. And so now over
the twenty years, he's he understands, no, this this stuff is real,

(01:19:45):
and he's seen so many instances ofit that he's gotten a little more
into the paranormal, a little moreinquisitive. I don't think you ever go
out and investigate like I do.But yeah, it took a while to
prove to him, Hey sometimes Ijust know things. Does he ever let
that out? Yeah, he's likeyeah, he's like he's always just saking,

(01:20:06):
Like that's just weird. It's likesomething out of my ard a couple
of months, a couple of monthsago. Like sometimes I will I will
come up with a word that doesn'teven exist, but you know, about
two months ago. So Unlessie waslike really stiff and I have fiber miles,
Jen, I sometimes wait, reallyreally stiff, you know, and

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I just picked out of her minds. I said, detorpify. Yeah,
I was looking for a word todescribe it. I was thinking. He
said, how are you feeling today? And I said, oh, I'm
so stiff. I'm trying to moveand uh And I was thinking, is
detrpify a word? And then hesays detorpify, just pulling the word right

(01:20:49):
out of my blessie and I It'slike it's not like even like a thing
where, you know, you know, we've been together for thirty almost thirty,
like it's it started, you know, from the very beginning, you
know, just yeah, So that'show That's how it was with me and
him. It was one of thosethings. The first time I met him,

(01:21:12):
I just knew that we were supposedto be together. And we've been
together ever since and there was noquestion, there was no there was no
like dating period or we were justtogether and we've just been together from day
one and on the same page witheverything and just like we're supposed to.
Yeah, they're supposed to share thislife together. I kind of I kind
of knew that with Leslie too.Yeah, we both kind of kind of

(01:21:34):
we kind of knew it. Wewere both married to other people at the
times. Yeah, but it's justlike just be completely transparent. It's like
you kind of know when you whenthe person, the person walks into your
life, you may have spent previouslives with that, you just know.

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Yeah, that's how That's how Ifeel as well, like we've we've done
this before, it's time to doit again. Yep. Type of deal.
But I thank y'all so much forcoming on. I've enjoyed the conversation
mentally, thank you. Can wecan I get do a shameless plug of
the book again. I was switchingto get there. Yeah, but you
go right ahead, all right.It's called Who They Are and What They're
up To by Leslie and Stephen Shaw. It's on Amazon and Ingram and our

(01:22:24):
Instagram Where I've I've done series ison our Instagram page. All of the
family's experiences and also some of Karen'shis sister's ghost hunting work as well at
our Instagram page is at Leslie dotShaw dot author and Leslie is the L
E. S l I E spelling, and we have a website at who

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They arebook dot com where we haveblogs, excerpts and of course links to
all our any podcasts we do.So if you'll send me the link when
you post it, I'll smear itall over our social media too, I
promise. Yeah. And all theall y'all's links the website and all the

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links of the book and the InstagramI'll put all those in the show notes
as usual. Yeah, I alwaysdo that. Thank you all again for
coming on. I love this topicthe more I talk about it and getting
into the nitty gritty, and Ilove all the research that y'all did in
the book is amazing. And everybodygo out and check out this book if
you're interested in all these different connectionsand different things. It's it's really fascinating

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and it all makes sense. Yes, that's like again, just really quickly
what we found. What we foundas we were researching really open our eyes.
But it really open our eyes ina way that really just made sense.
Yeah, you know it's you know, Olkham's razor, you know,
or like the kiss method, keepit simple. Yeah, and the zebra

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thing, and the zebra for thehorses, not for the zebras. And
you know, if you're you know, ninety nine percent of the time,
that's really what the answer is it'snot the other things that are going on
right now, we just don't makeany sense. So thanks again so much
for having us. Thank you verymuch. Good night, everybody. All

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