Do Women Owe Men An Apology? with Dr. Carole Hooven

This episode starts with a Very Special introduction in which I explain what's been going on with the podcast over the last six months (lots of different offerings, which possibly caused some confusion) and talk about the ongoing challenges of the subscriber model. (Short version, please stick around!)

I then have the great pleasure of interviewing evolutionary biologist Dr. Carole Hooven, who's been a speaker at several Unspeakeasy events but never actually a guest on the podcast. As we approach the four-year anniversary of the publication of her book, T: The Story of Testosterone, the Hormone that Dominates and Divides Us, Carole recounts how a media appearance defending "male" and "female" as meaningful scientific categories led to unexpected controversy and her eventual departure from Harvard, where she'd taught for many years. She talks about how ideological influence has made even basic scientific facts about sex contentious and cites the importance of precise use of language, especially on topics like sex differences and women's rights, which she feels have been muddied by cultural and political agendas.

Most fascinatingly (to me, anyway), Carole argues that a predominantly female, progressive teaching culture favors girls' learning styles—while boys, wired differently by biology, are stigmatized and alienated. Meanwhile, it's become culturally verboten to even acknowledge men's intense sexual drives and emotional vulnerability, and she calls for a return to rites of passage that acknowledge male biology without shame.

Finally, we talk about a recent controversy surrounding her husband, MIT philosophy professor Alex Byrne (who was a guest on the podcast back in March 2024), after he was invited to contribute to a U.S. Health and Human Services report on sex and gender. Although the team was politically diverse, Alex's name was leaked via PDF metadata, and he faced fierce criticism from activist students and colleagues. He responded with a Washington Post op-ed explaining his position.

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Dr. Carole Hooven is a human evolutionary biologist, the author of T: The Story of Testosterone, the Hormone that Dominates and Divides Us, and a nonresident senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

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