Behind the Notes with Sarah Beth Lewis

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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Okay, all right, and we are going to edit this out
just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Towel, gal Stanley, and towelTowel-y, towel-y, we're towel-y.
It's so cool.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Okay, well, let's get this show going girl, it's so
good to see you again.
It's so good to see you.
I was listening to the oldepisode on the way over here and
I was like what I would tellthat sound.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
We grew so much.
We grew so much.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh yeah, it's what?
15 months, if we want to countspecifically.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, like those people that count their baby's
age.
It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
For sure, it is not raining or the wind blowing
today, which is amazing.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I don't hear an invisible train.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
No, exactly Exactly.
So I'm going to do a cut rightquick to get us like the welcome
to the okay Awesome.
So hello everyone, welcome, fixthe mic.
Welcome to the UnstoppablePodcast.
I have a repeat guest, my firstever repeat guest, because I

(01:10):
love her so much Sarah BethLewis in the house SB the Queen.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Back again, back again, back again.
Hey guys, yeah, I wasn't evenSB the Queen last year.
You wasn't, I was just SarahBeth Lewis.
I know, I didn't even know Ihad this other you identified as
SB the Queen.
Yeah, this other.
You identified as Espy theQueen.
Yeah, this other.
Yes, I identify as Espy theQueen.
I did not, I didn't give myselfthat name.

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However, there have been a fewinstances throughout my personal
history, like my students usedto call me the Shade Queen the
Shade Queen, which I think wasfunny, and then, you know, sm
smose the king of the country.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
So it just, it just was it worked.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, you had a lot of people call me espy you
know, sarah beth is just so muchafter so long that it would
just be espy and so espy, thequeen just yeah, I think I think
I got you as espy on my phone.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, on my, yeah.
So that's guys.
I'm telling you, if you haven'tchecked out our first episode,
you've got to go back.
It's kind of like watching thesequel of, like Jurassic Park or
something Like.
You've got to go watch one, twoand three to get here, but
you're going to see that's areally good episode.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I have a lot of compliments the way over here
and I was like I should listento this more often and remind
myself of some of these ownthings I have said myself.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Just like I told you, I gave us a little pep talk
this morning with the video.
No, that's what I'm like.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I have to remember what I tell other people self.
You know, and I mean justlooking at the transpiration of,
like you know, maybe there aresome relationships that have
come and gone in just this 15months and new people that are
in our lives and people thatwe've just gotten to get closer

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through this time.
I've just been really excitedto see what, from living like
what we had talked about in thatpodcast and continuing that
journey, like where it's takenme just in this amount of time,
Girl, you have blown up, youhave blown up.
Oh my gosh, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I already consider you a larger than life friend
because you get it.
Your energy is good.
Every time I know we're goingto hang out, I'm like I could be
having a bad day, which I'vehad.
A day before you got here Icould be having a bad day and
I'm like I know I got some SBtime coming today, so we're
going to have some fun.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
We just had too much fun, I was thinking about how
silly we were acting when wewent to Burrow Bowls not too
long ago.
I have this footage and that'son social media, if you want to
go and find it.
I have this footage of us atBurrow Bowls and I can see the
girls in the background.
Like who are these ladies?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
we don't care, you're gonna borrow this.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I've started to have a little eye water now you're
good giggling already.
That's all right, yeah, so, um,yeah, I'm so thankful, yeah,
about how crazy this past yearhas been, and I mean it's not
been all good.
There have been some highs andlows this year but we're gonna
get into it, girl, let's, let'sdive into all these things so
tell me a little bit.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
When they say SB the Queen, if you're just now
following her you're missing out, but you know today's the day
to start.
So how did the music?
Because now you've got yourmusic videos out, yeah, You've
got your EP going out, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Doing singles right now.
Yeah, I have a song coming outtomorrow actually.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I have that on my calendar Called Get Down, get
down.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
With Nitty Gritty Greg Roberts.
He's so good, he's so good he'sso cool.
Yeah, so he and Smo have twocollabs, the Proud to Be an
American song, which is so fun.
I love that one and it was shot.
The video was shot inFayetteville with some really
good people.
We had a great time with that.
And then they have Clap yourHands, which we did in Maggie
Valley with the J Creek Cloggersand Dance and Boss Kristen

(04:49):
Clove, who's out of LA, who doesline dancing.
She's phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Check her out.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay, I like the Clap your.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Hands, that was so catchy.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
It's so fun.
And so in the treatment for thevideo, nitty Gritty has his
dancer, which is Jeb from theJCreek Cloggers, and then
Dancing Boss is Smo's kind oflike, you know, fighter in this
dance-off.
And so Kristen and Zeb excuseme team up and fussing against

(05:17):
each other and clap your hands,do a little dance-off.
So yeah, it was so much fun Igot to be the little round one
get to be the ring girl.
Oh, we have added it up that inmy in my small career time I've
been over 20 music video.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You're like the seven degrees of Kevin Bacon.
Where's Waldo?
Oh, where's Waldo.
Sp.
The Queen made an appearanceyet again.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, and we did a video not too terribly long ago
and I wore like three differentwigs in it, so I'm like three
different characters within theone video, girl.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I love that.
That's some good stuff.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
But with Get Down the collaboration came because I
have done the songs with Smough.
I've recently done my solorelease Ball and Chain, which
has been a whole otherexperience.
But I knew I wanted to do acollab with an artist that we
have worked with and NittyGritty has always just been like
a big brother to me.
And so we love a lot of the samethings.

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We have oddly similarbackground stories even though
we are from such differentplaces and times, and it's just
really cool that we like thesame kind of stuff and we're
able to get that sound together.
And Smell helped with thewriting.
The executive producing, joshBright Productions.
I had to wear this todaybecause I owe so much to our

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producer.
He and his wife and theirfamily is so phenomenal and I
tell him all the time.
He has such incredible patiencein me because I'll tell you
something just on get down.
The yeehaw at the beginningtook me like 20 minutes to hit
time, you know, because you'llbe like yeehaw but you have to
do it to a metronome on a clickwith a this and you know there's

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been things I've learned aboutmyself in the studio.
It's not easy, and Josh Bright'sPatience, something I challenge
.
If you are new to the SBmovement, go listen to so Muddy,
which was my first release.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I love so, muddy, that's when you were in Texas
and filmed that one, right, ohmy gosh, you guys had some fun.
Let me just talk about being ashade queen.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
You guys have some fun.
Let me just talk about speakingof Shade Queen.
Just this week, smo receiveshate mail of one.
It said fake it till you makeit, and I feel like that was a
very incorrect usage of theexpression, but it was like you
shouldn't rub mud on you, youshould actually get in and get
dirty and I'm like well, reallife is.
We filmed so muddy in a droughtin June in Houston, so quite

(07:46):
the irony there that it shouldhave been like so dusty, so dry
like your personality like yourhater yeah, so fake it till you
make it.
Um, we actually did have to fakeit to make it muddy because it
was a drought in June in Houstonand thank you so much.

(08:09):
Our Houston Texas chem folk outthere.
They came out, man, they showedup.
Oh, my goodness To know that atany moment I have like the
number to a woman that can getme a whole crew of people with
all the toys and all the gadgetsand all the know how and like.
Just have a good time like thatfriendship is so special to me

(08:31):
because candace helped me aheadof the video getting ready and
then getting that video ready.
So yeah, I challenge.
Though go listen to my deliveryon so muddy and then go listen
to Get Down tomorrow, becauseyou're going to be like, oh,
you've grown a little.

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You may have found yourself alittle, you know, because Josh
Bright has been incrediblypatient with helping me find my
tone and helping me work on mydelivery.
And it's way different singingin the shower and singing in a
little quiet box with a.
You know one o'clock tickingand you know everybody kind of
people are watching you.

(09:12):
Yeah, and and it's somethingthat I always have this like
effective filter builds up thatyou know, that inner voice gets
more powerful than like myability to perform and you
stifle yourself, you know.
So I'm able to express to himlike I really struggle with this
.
I really struggle with thatwhen I'm creating sound or, you

(09:33):
know, trying to hit certainnotes.
And I mean he, he's been waymore than a producer, he's
coached me as a vocal coach.
That's awesome, though, that'syes and so we're really proud of
how get down has turned outfrom from where we started and
all the things in between,because you know we did so muddy
.
Then we did country till I diein that video.
We we talked in the old episodeabout pleasing our inner child.

(09:56):
Yes, let me tell you, my 10year old self is like completely
fulfilled knowing that country.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
It was so fun I remember you're like hey, hey,
it's out, and I'm like I watchedit, I was like, okay, I'm with
the movie, I know.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I'm like can we do the whole thing?
Can we do the whole thing?
Yeah, so this moment I have weare in the beginning We've got
at least a novel written.
It's not in its entirety, butwe have like the whole premise
and everything of a cinematicexperience like a movie that
we've written a horror film.
That, because we're both bighorror fans, we love cinema, we
love being on camera too, and soCountry Till I Die was kind of

(10:34):
us, like dipping our toe intowhat it would be like if we did
the whole movie.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
And it was so fun to get to be like because I'm the
news at the beginning it's likethe news article of it, so it's
fun to get to be like cause I'mthe news.
At the beginning it was likethe news article that, so it was
fun to get to like.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Just be a voice, you know, like a voiceover.
That's cool.
Josh produced that one too.
Oh, yeah, yes, and it was um,we wrote on that one with D Ray
Stevens, songwriter of the yearthis year.
You know, so like to get to bearound these people that are
doing such great things, youknow, and Josh is working with a
lot of incredible people andyou know, to get to be in this
position where I'm meeting withthese people, I'm collaborating
with them, we're sharing ideasand, you know, sharing that

(11:15):
space together.
It's been really cool, you know, because so often I've always
said, you know, if I were, if Iwere able to tell my story as a
fly on the wall in the studio,because so often I have just
been, you know, in thebackground working on things for
Simone and you know, assistantadministrative, assistant,
physician, so to be in thisartist chair with him, you know
I and I'm so thankful I've beenvery well received.

(11:39):
You have I have been incredible.
I was worried, you know, andthere's always like a handful.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
A handful compared to the million I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I'll tell you, you know, haters are my motivators
because, like, they'll make memad and I have to like re-go,
use that energy.
But I am entirely moremotivated knowing that there are
people trying to watch mebecause they want to see me win
and they want to see us succeedand they're proud of us, like
I've gotten so much moremotivation now leaning into you

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know, our fans are ourmotivators.
And the haters man they're socool and the people.
We went to florida this weekend.
We had a show in florida and,like now, I'm on stage the whole
performance.
I perform my song to open up smoshow you know, like, yeah, just
weird things that have nothappened before in in our
timeline together.
And so um, in Florida, you know, getting to see people that

(12:32):
I've had this relationship withonline because they are my fans,
and getting to actually meetthese people, you know, it's
just been so powerful, that'sawesome.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, and they're so loyal Like I watch you know the
comments sections and stuff.
I loyal like I watch, you knowthe comment sections and stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I mean, yeah, you have a couple haters, you know,
like I said, musty attitudepeople, but you know the
majority of them just love youguys and support so thankful to
you because we I, we try so hardto be as available, um, and,
you know, within the limitationsthat we talk about of having
boundaries that you have to havefor your mental health and

(13:06):
stuff, but we, we share all ourinformation about our lifestyle,
about our music, about, youknow, our our new business.
You know, now I never wouldhave known a community with our
kinfolk, because there have beenkinfolk that are able to
provide things for us.
You know, you even give us anavenue and a platform to get to

(13:33):
share our story Absolutely, andso that network that we have
among the following, you know,some of them have turned into
family and so it's so cool tohave this experience of like
they enjoy our art, they enjoyour lifestyle, but also, you
know, for the most part, whenpeople get to spend time with us
, just enjoy our company.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
And I'm thankful for that, because we try to be so
real online that when you meetus this is what you get, you
know.
So I'm thankful that we tryreally hard to at least keep
that authenticity andavailability to people.
And you do a good job with thattoo Well, and I want everyone
to know that anyone can bewhoever they want to be.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
You are the prime example I want to hit on that
for a second of living in theabundance mindset.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Because I have lived in the famine.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, oh, cause I have lived.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I have lived in the famine.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, but the thing is, though, like I mean me and
you, like you know I can I can.
Like you said family, Iconsider you family now Cause we
have been so close and being inour best friendship is one of
those that we can be busy and goa month without seeing each
other.
You're on tour and I'm runningaround and doing events and
podcasts, and then we're likehey, are you okay?
Or send a funny meme.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's always like look at this on Instagram.
This is yeah, so, but, but that?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
that, to me, is aligning yourself with the right
people.
Yeah, and I think why we hitoff in our friendship is because
you're so authentic and you'reso real and you're just.
It's just easy that you.
You know we talked about beforeour last podcast there's energy
suckers and drainers and theyexist and they're out there and
sometimes that's keeping youfrom like expanding to the next
level.
I'm looking at the camerabecause I'm talking to you guys,

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because it's true, like it'sbecause they're there.
They're there, I mean, they'rethere because and sometimes
there's even energy sucking.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Circumstances like because, looking at like the
last episode to this episode,when we did that last episode,
john's mom had not passed awayyet and she was very sick.
And so the grief that we wentthrough this past year and to be
on the other side of thatexperience and how much you grow
from that because you know youtake care of someone so much and

(15:42):
then you lose that relationship.
You know it take care of someoneso much and then you lose that
relationship.
You know it's tough, butthere's also been a freedom of
we feel so blessed to know thatshe's no longer suffering and we
get to live in that faith thatwe'll see her again.
So, having that freedom to moveforward, you know, and live a
life now with a responsibilitythat has that season has changed

(16:06):
, you know, and we don't havethat responsibility anymore.
Looking back to that episodeand going, wow, I was like
drowning in the midst of aboutto lose my mother-in-law, you
know, and like it was.
And now, looking at it, justlike the grief peeled back and
everything of like, wow, I'mokay, like I knew what was
coming then and I was so worried.
And now I'm like, oh, you knownow there's just such a a joy

(16:30):
for her to be free of hersuffering that we had
experienced.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
You know that you said something.
I wish we had the max hotbefore we were talking.
Well, actually I don't because,yeah, but, but you said
something in it and I want towrite it down in my little
motivational book because it'sstood out.
You know, you said it's likeyou know, just because you're
positive all the time and youhave to be positive doesn't mean

(16:53):
that you don't have unpositivesituations that happen, yeah,
because you know, like today,like just a little bit, like I
had an engine blow up yesterdayand things like that, and so I
told her I gosh, I feel like allI've done is dump on you since
you've been here.
But she's a friend and that'swhat we do.
We talk about the good, the bad, the ugly together.
But you stopping and sayingthat gave me permission to be in
my feelings for a minute.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And you have to, because it's not fair to expect
that, just because you try to doright things all the time, to
expect everything to go rightand, um, because that
expectation that everything willgo right typically is what
causes the disappointment.
I mean, if you expect it'salways going to be bad, um, but
there there is a reassurance ofyou have to be allowed to feel

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those feelings.
It's just how you react.
Absolutely, you know, we wereheaded headed to florida this
past weekend.
We hit a mud flat before weeven made it to chattanooga and
and so it's like we just made itover the mountain but we hadn't
made it to the city and hadknocked the alignment out on the
van.
And you find yourself fallinginto this like why, me, if only
this?
And you know, and we ended uphaving like a really cool

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afternoon in Chattanooga, and itwas unplanned and unexpected,
and, yeah, we didn't get toFlorida until 3am, but
everything still happened.
It happened for a reason, youknow, and I just have to yeah, I
have to sit back and trust that.
You know, and we tried ourhardest during those moments to
not fuss at each other and tonot point blame and to not
wallow in how angry we were thatour plans had been derailed.

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But like that was the plan,because that's what happened
exactly and it's all how wechose to react to that.
You know, and I'm guilty, I waskind of like you know, but I
was also the one that hit it, soI was like they're all gonna be
like this girl driving the car.
I'm so thankful these men, theylove me driving them around.
They joke that I'm like theirold school bus driver.
But but the people on theinternet, so much yeah right
yeah, but you, you do have badthings happen to you, um, when

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you're a good person, but it'show you choose to react to those
around you especially you know,and yourself.
Like you have to treat yourselfwith some grace.
You got to you're not perfect.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
No, and that's the thing.
Like guys listen to what she'ssaying here you can have an
abundance mindset.
To grow the next level, youhave to have an abundance
mindset Absolutely.
But that doesn't mean that badthings aren't going to happen.
It's only the first one.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's only the first one.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
We've said absolutely like 20 times, me and her
together.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
If you're looking for a good drinking game, go watch
to catch up on your waterhydration.
Go watch the last episode andgo watch the last episode, and
every time I say absolutely, youwill have your whole water
intake for the week.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
I was like yes.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I was on the local on 2, I was on television and I
told myself this is my firstever television appearance.
I tell myself, I say do not sayit.
And then I watch the replay andof course, absolutely, I
screamed when I watched thereplay.
And of course, absolutely, Iscreamed when I watched it.
I was like no, you said it.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I'm sure it wasn't as set out as we thought it was.
You know why it's funny?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
because I grew up watching Pee Wee's Playhouse.
We're going to have a word ofthe day.
Every time I say absolutelyeverybody.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Jump out and scream who thinks she needs to make a
swag shirt.
It's absolutely SB.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Absolutely SB the queen Love it.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
That's so funny you go into so much, going on, so
much happening Before wetransition real quick.
I want to say this cause thiswas something that this was hit
on, because we want to talkabout you, uh, in what your
career is, but we both believein pouring into others too, so
so this is one thing that Iheard on the way over here.
Uh, Tim Grover, I've actually,uh, he trained, he coached

(20:37):
Michael Jackson and he coached.
You know all the, all, the, someof the greats in the sports
industry and he was speakingthis morning and I've got to see
him backstage and Sherry, hisright-hand woman, and love both
of them, and he said somethingthat stuck to me that said dig
deep.
Sometimes, you know, when theygo to build a skyscraper, you
know they don't start at the topand they don't start up here at

(20:59):
the foundation.
They dig down at the bottom andthe pits and they dig and they
build up that way and sometimes,if you're finding yourself, if
you're listening to us today andyou're like y'all are talking
about abundance, mindset andyour year has changed for the
best and all this stuff, like Isaid, we've all went through it.
We just choose not to stay init, to keep digging and keep
building, and that's when theabundance hits.
So, so if you take anything awayfrom what we're saying, please

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take that If you're in a moment,right now, life's hard for
everybody.
Right now, please keep digging,keep digging deep and knowing
that maybe you're digging for areason, maybe God's cleaning
things out of your path for youto be able to succeed, or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, and one of the things that we're really leaning
into right now is the power ofsaying no, you know because for
you and it's been something thatyou know, small for you, and
it's been something that youknow, smo, if you want to talk
about an abundance mindset andbelieving in anything, you know
he he is very good, he's thedreamer and doer at the same
time.
And you know, we've had thisvision of trying to keep all

(21:59):
these you know plates spinningand going and everything.
And now we've had to step backand say, you know, no, we're not
going to tour here, there andyonder anymore, we're going to
stay put in this one place andwe're going to pour into this
one passion.
Because we have been so dividedwith our passions and interests

(22:19):
that everything was justgetting a little of attention.
And now we're trying to giveone thing all of our attention
and that has taken digging deep.
Because you know and we eventalked about this on the last
episode we love being on stage,we love performing, and to know
that you're saying no tosomething you really love but
have found something you loveeven more, that was the digging

(22:42):
deep.
This time last year we werereally digging because smoke had
had to take time away fromtouring and the idea of going
back out into it.
You know, because ourlifestyles are so night and day,
from where we're expected towork, oh yeah, absolutely, you
know.
So, florida this past weekend,um, as wonderful as our kinfolk

(23:02):
were and as amazing as the venuewas and how great it was to be
on stage, we didn't go on until1030.
And, like, smo's usually in thebed at like 730 tops, because
he's at the gym by 6am, you know.
And we eat a certain way.
So to have to eat out of acooler for three days gets
challenging after a while.

(23:22):
And people are drinking and wedon't drink and we can be around
it.
It just gets exhausting, youknow.
And when you're in beautifulflorida weather, you want to be
outside and we're outside people, but we're in a bar all day
getting ready for.
So there have just been so manythings that our vocation is now
misaligned with our lifestyle.

(23:43):
Yeah, and we have had the.
We are blessed enough and Smohas worked very, very hard to be
able to be in a position thathe said you know, but he's been
touring and rapping andeverything since 1999.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I was going to say we grew up with Smo yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
We grew up.
I know I do too, even weirder.
So it's like you know, like Didshe?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Did I stalk him?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
She did not stalk him .

Speaker 1 (24:09):
y'all, I'm just kidding, only slightly.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
He's aware of all the times he was stoned.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's another podcast.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh man.
So you know he's been in thisindustry since 1999.
And he's like I'm tired yeah.
You know and it's even I've evenfallen victim to like we've
been to some of these placesmultiple times now to perform,
which is awesome, because I lovegetting to go back to the same
places, you know but like Ididn't even realize that where

(24:42):
we performed Saturday, I was atin 2019.
I walked in and I was like, oh,I've been here before, whoa, so
I've now been in it for fiveyears and so I've seen a lot of
touring as far as what it's liketo be on the road and that
aspect, and we're ready to stepinto a position where people

(25:04):
know where to find us.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
We're not far from our home.
We're not far from our old pets, right.
Because, the pets are old ladiesnow and you know, even from the
podcast last year, we're emptynesters now, I know so like we
want to be home.
Yeah, exactly yeah.
And we've been able to changethe house in a position that
fits our lifestyle.

(25:27):
You know, we've expanded ourgym, we now have a studio in our
house that we're able to workwith and stuff.
So saying no and digging deepinto the love for our own
lifestyle and seeing the need toshare it with people and seeing
the need to share it withpeople, because now when we're
on tour and we're talking topeople, people want to talk

(25:48):
about the lifestyle way morethan they want to talk about the
music.
That's awesome, and people haveseen now the overnight oats
recipes more than they have thenew releases, you know, and a
lot of that has to do with thealgorithm and advertising and
things like that, but food hasbeen a way for Smo to feel some
therapy from some of the thingsthat just aren't good in the

(26:10):
music industry.
Like the music industry, it'sexactly what they tell you it is
and so that you know when youhave to operate in an industry
as a light source yourself andprotecting your torch, you know,
sometimes it's easier to juststep away from the wind, and so

(26:30):
that's really what Smo's leanedinto of.
It's easier to be light whenyou're in light and when you're
around light and instead ofhaving to be put in some of
these positions andcircumstances and places that
just aren't aligned with you,know who we are in our value
system and our choices anymore.
So not to say that it'stempting, but sometimes I am

(26:50):
reminded of who I was when I wasmore into that scene, and
sometimes I get embarrassed andI do not want to live in shame
because I don't regret anythingI did, but I'm reminded
sometimes of like, oh, mygoodness what was I thinking?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's easy to get caught up in it.
You know, like I'm not amusician or a rapper.
I mean, I write songs butobviously it's it's for my own,
it's for my own therapy, not foranybody else's.
But you know, like I, I fellinto the music industries,
helping to promote a few artistsalong the way, and I and I love
it because I'm a huge fan ofindependent artists.
Yes, we have a.

(27:28):
We have a ton of independentartists on the everyday Joe show
and stuff, and you know and Iunderstand that journey and
understanding that.
And but the one thing that I'verealized just by dabbling in the
music and when I say dabbling Imean putting in the music
industry.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
When I say dabbling, I mean putting my toe in and
accidentally put my toe in.
I didn't know I was doing it.
You weren't seeking it out.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It found me.
I love music so I was like,okay, cool, I was interested.
Nashville is a beast man In agood way.
It's a beast that can take youand make you great or it can
break you.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
We say all the time and this is what Smose says all
the time the devil is alive.
The devil is alive.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
But there are some wonderful people that I have met
there, wonderful producers,wonderful labels, great people.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yes, I've been very thankful to only get to be
around the good.
You have, but that doesn't keepyou from hearing about the
other.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
You hear about the bad and, like I said, that's
just me dabbling in it.
So I totally get why you'reselective there and why a lot of
artists that come on the showare selective and some of them
have been really burnt by theindustry and, like I said, I'm a
huge advocate for music andlike.
I said independent artists.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
And even people that are signed with labels.
I'm a huge advocate for.
I think that's great, that youguys have made it and doing
things that you're wanting to doand now understanding on the
backside what a music label andall of that can can be for the
good and for the bad.
You know it's I was a teachertoo, so I understand like
bureaucracy and the trickle downof things and how things are
what you wish they would be, butthat's just how they are of
things and how things aren'twhat you wish they would be, but
that's just how they are, youknow.
So, like there, there arethings I've been able to pull

(29:07):
from the different industriesI've been in and see power and
money are always going to ruinthings.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
First of all, you know, I mean look what's been on
the news.
Now we read earlier on hisnotes I mean that's a lot going
on and then we try to stay outof all that you know because,
like I, let people you know dotheir own thing and you know and
pick their path that they wantto pick.
But I will say that it is verycliquish in some areas and I

(29:33):
found that out just by, like Isaid, just dabbling in it.
I can only imagine.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Talking about the abundance mindset also, is the
intention.
Like what someone is, whattheir intention is.
I never made music to be richor famous.
There you go, uh, I never.
I never got that was what Isaid.
Um, I never got with smo to berich or famous.
Um, it was just one of thosethings.
I just fell in love with who hewas as a person and I just saw

(29:58):
that as his job.
Yeah, you know, um, and I evenfamous.
It's just so silly becausepeople will be like oh you're my
famous friend.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
And I'm like I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
But then, like this lady stopped me at Walmart
yesterday.
She's like are you Smo's wife?
I was like yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Right now, today I am Yesterday, he was just an
acquaintance Earlier thismorning, earlier this morning.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I get it, yeah, I was like, yeah, no, I'm definitely
Smo's wife, but so to be in aposition where I'm recognized,
but like I was always recognizedeither by my people knowing my
dad or because I was a teacher,yeah, you know we would joke
about who had more paparazzi,miss Lewis or Big Smo at the
time, you know, yeah, because wego to walmart and they'd be
like that's my Spanish teacher.

(30:47):
so like being recognized placesand stuff, I never have
considered that fame, I justconsidered that being a
byproduct of being somewhere toolong.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
You have a contagious personality, you know, like
they always say when we goplaces, it's like are y'all
running for mayor?
No, which is that we lovepeople and y'all love people,
and and it's you love to talk,like I love to talk, like
obviously we love to talk andI'm real bad about.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I go to the same places all the time, so I have
to speak to the people who arelike ultimately I'm going to
look incredibly rude If you'vewaited on me three times this
week at Walmart, like I mean,like the grocery store people
know us, like we have now madefriends at Buckle, like they
know us, you know Frenches.
I go in Frenches, I'm likewhat's up guys, you know.

(31:30):
But all that's been through,any sort of relationship we've
made, you know, and I'm a bigfan of, and maybe it's just
being like old school traditionin me but like, speak to those
people.
They're at work, Like they're,they're providing a service for
you.
Just be civil, Um, that's hardenough.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Don't be a jerk, you know?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, and I've been guilty of like maybe not seeing
another human for you know a fewhours, and then I'll just talk
to the grocery clerk Likethey're my best friend.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
They're like grocery clerk, like they're my best
friend.
That's so funny that that is.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
That's funny when you say that because it is.
It is human interaction.
That's not that I'm famous, Ijust go to the same places all
the time no, you are, you'remaking a name for yourself.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
You are and it's like , yeah, when we go places to get
you know together, like youknow, the burrow bells and stuff
like that, they haven't been.
You've actually did a musicvideo oh man, tasha's amazing.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yes, so, okay.
So smells wrote a song for mecalled something about love,
which, if you've peeped the songabout love is sar Beth Lewis.
Oh, ow See, isn't that so cute?
That is so cute.
I didn't even catch it, Ididn't even catch it, he was
clever like that, though he's sosneaky clever.

(32:53):
I wish I was that clever.
Sometimes he says stuff and Ijust like die laughing.
I'm like why didn't I think ofthat?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I was watching y'all's Juicy GC's video.
My eyes are watering out whowe're laughing at.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh my goodness, where he's rolling up the collared
wraps.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
He's just so good.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, and he and Mary Beth are just wild when they
get together.
She's so funny anyway, and theyboth have these really
charismatic spirits that whenthey get together they just
crack me up.
He's so funny, he's so silly.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I mean we genuinely have a goodtime together.
I think when people are likeyou need another show, you need

(33:27):
another show, I was like, well,just be us getting following
around doing normal things.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I think.
I think it would be a mustwatch because I'm telling you,
guys are hilarious y'all.
Y'all's energy is good, youvibe off each other good and
you're just real people and youdon't like, like you said what
you see on the line is what yousee in person.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
And he's way better on camera than me.
He catches me off guard and I'mjust like I didn't even know
you were about to vote and he'sjust like I could walk off just
any time with the camera andhe's ready to go and I'm like,
well, I wasn't ready for allthis.
I told Travis we could retire.

(34:05):
If we went on a live sitcom,however, we probably would get
ridiculed because your tiktokthough your couple's tiktok is
really entertaining.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
We gotta do more, but like we like that's just us
like people like did y'all skipthat?
I'm like no, we just rememberto turn the camera on no,
because it's just our life.
It's just our life, yeah,because we just we're like you
guys, we have fun together.
That we're we would be totallyraw in reality.
Show like we would be like getup, get off your a double s and
do this.
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
I mean, yeah, okay, the what I'm struggling with the
most if you follow, because I'mI'm big into content creation,
I love all the digital mediastuff and this dadgum bite who's
here for the dadgum bite?
If you're watching to smose, ifyou're following him to real
big smoe, who's here for thedadgum bite?
Has become his tagline.
I don't know how it came out ofnowhere.

(34:49):
Someone said he stole it fromsomeone else.
I was like I don't even knowwho this someone else has been.
Anyway, I hate, I despise thesound of people eating.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I knew it.
I knew it, I was going to askyou that.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I hate it.
We struggle, we have struggled,like last night he was eating
an apple.
I had had to go in the otherroom because I and I have read a
lot about like that's a normalthing.
Well, it's like normal forpeople who are as normal as me,
um, to experience that, you know, like cringe, oh it makes you
cringe a little bit and hewasn't raised by my mother and

(35:23):
my mother wouldn't let peoplesmack or scrape their teeth, or
I'm not, you know, and so I justam like this, bewildered, like
this heather and eating overhere I tell him he reminds me of
on beauty and the beast, whenthe beast is smacking his soup
and I mean I love him and heknows that this is something.
But now it's like I have to filmit and there have been a few

(35:47):
where I'm just like cut.
I'm like I'm sorry, I justcan't.
I can't take it, you'resmacking y'all, this is so funny
.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
We have not had this conversation at all.
I swear to you, when I watchedit, I was like Sarah Beth is
slowly dying.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I know she's like who's here for the bat, who's
here for the dadgum bite?
And I'm like, okay, I'm ready,go okay I'm high mascaras
running.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I try, I try, I mean like even like he likes watching
these eating, competition foodsand stuff.
And there's even like certainpoints where I have to turn my
head because, like I like,eating is just nasty.
If it's not, I would be totallyfine eating by myself forever.
Like eating is not somethingthat has to be social for me it
doesn't?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
it's funny, I'm going into the food business but like
sometimes that you do need toget a good ugly eat it's what I
call it like you want, you're sohungry and you want to taste it
and you just want to be uglywhen you eat you know what I
mean, like just by myself, so Ican smack and not feel like
anybody's eating.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe it's just my owninsecurity is why I hate other
people.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I don't know, I'm kind of like that too, Like I
have to.
I hear it's way more common inwomen, it is it is Because women
like I think I smack right, Iknow, I think I do, I think I
don't know.
I know that my son does andTravis is like at him and I'm
like, please don't give him aninsecurity about eating.
You're getting ready to givehim an insecurity about eating?

(37:11):
No, I love the kid Megan, butoh my God, it's like he has a
microphone times 12.
And so I get it.
But then, Travis, when he eatsRice Krispie Treats, it's like
it's like the spoon, it's likeare you trying to start a fire
over there?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Like, what are you doing?
Oh, we have some wooden bowlsthat are like.
No, I you know, and when youtalk about even it's something
that we have, like in the pastyear, been diving into more,
I've really been trying to payattention better to just some
things about me that are alittle more particular, I think,
than most people you know.
Um, on a spectrum sense of like, oh well, that really bothers

(37:52):
me, but I found, like a wholegroup of people, that it also
bothers, so I feel affirmed.
The eating is one um for balland chain.
For the music video, theopening scene, I run my hand
down.
Oh, even talking about it, Ijust got that feeling like I run
my hand on the metal walloutside the barn and like
filming it was, like it wastorture it was torture.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I don't like touching metal like that.
What about and I want to throwup thinking about this what
about?
What about wood spains?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
okay, so this wooden bowl at our house we were
talking about getting samplesmoothie spoons and I was like
whatever it is do not let it bethose little tongue depressor
things.
But we have a wooden bowl andhe scrapes a spoon over it and
I'm just like, wow, that soundgets me so bad?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
why are you in couples therapy?
He's eating this wooden spoon.
Won't let it go.
Did you get spanked with awooden spoon or something when
you were little?
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I thought maybe that I was like oh God, it's just
something about how it's dry andthen it sucks.
To you it does it's weird.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
If you have this, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
No, because when I posted I posted it on the SB the
Queen page I was like, fyi,this gave me the heebie-jeebies
filming this part.
Because I grew up with pop-upvideo.
I grew up with VH1, behind theMusic.
I want to know every littlething that went into making this
video.
So I was like, yeah, pop-upvideo, this made me have the

(39:27):
heebie-jeebies and I shared itand people were like, yeah, and
like construction paper andpaper straws and all these, oh,
paper straws.
I understand what they do forthe environment, but if we're
not going to eliminate allplastic, why are we isolating
just the straws?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Girl, where was I?

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Oh gosh, I hope we're not getting home.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I love this place.
It was so good and they broughta freaking milkshake out with a
paper straw.
I'm like how in the world am Isupposed to do this and enjoy my
milkshake?
I did, and I was like I'll beskinny if I have to keep doing
this.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
This is crap, Wait, Lost Secrets.
Use all paper utensils Paperstraws, paper forks.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Don't come at us.
We're all about keeping theenvironment safe.
Don't come at us.
We don't want the texture.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Well, and I mean, if you're not eliminating all
plastics.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I don't know how the straw.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I mean I do understand straws, specifically
their argument, but I would saythere are a lot of.
I mean I feel guilty every timeI get my nails done for the
environment, do you?
I mean not guilty enough, Iquit.
But I think about it.
I'm like my.
That's a lot of waste.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think about that, but
that's true.
But you know what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I got the we're saving the world one cup at a
time.
Is yours Tally or Tilly Tally.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
I'm a Tao gal and I'm a Stanley.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Tao gal and Stanley.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
They have to use the worst vowels for Southern people
.
They do Especially me Like whenI go in, I just learn to lean
into it, hey, but I do have thebubba as well, I got bubba and
Tao.
I'm good to go, sounds like aninterview in a trailer park, but
anyways, that's good.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Hey, that's good, that's just fine in that
interview.
Um, so I you know the diggingdeep thing talking about that.
That's one of the things thatwe've really been digging deep
in is trying to share more ofourselves with people.
You know if I am, if I'm outthere with him, you know people
got to get to know, you knowwhat makes up this partnership.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
So but he supported you and embraced you.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Oh man, he pushed me, he pushed me because you know,
he we've, we've been able totalk so much.
You know we're now about to be10 years together and and so
much of getting to know eachother in a relationship is
reflecting on who you were as achild.
And I'm such a firm believer inyour inner child has to be

(41:50):
healed and you have to be, youhave to be fulfilling those
wishes and dreams that you hadwhen you were basically
untainted.
Um, and that's not to say notall of us, you know, some people
have had unfortunateexperiences young and that's,
you know, had some sort ofimpacts on things.
But I remember who I was andand I very much remember the

(42:12):
things that gave me joy and thethings that motivated me as a
child.
And, um, you know, john sees howI act when I have a microphone.
He sees how I act when the beatstarts.
I've been singing small, smallsongs.
We joke that if anythinghappened to him I'd go on a do
an impersonation tour, but heknows that somewhere deep inside

(42:35):
of me there was this joy fromperforming and he loved seeing
his partner feeling joy and ifyou've ever seen your partner
doing something they love, itjust makes you so happy.
And if you have the same thingthat makes you happy and you get
to do it together.
You know, when we sing Ain'tNone Free together, there is not

(42:55):
a single person in there that'snot captivated.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
That's going to be in my head the rest of the night.
Yep, I don't know.
I don't know.
I was thinking that and I'mlike, because the kids are in
the car right now.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Dang it, stop it.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I know, and it's one that you know, it has a
wonderful message, but so muchtruth.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
But it also is a way for us to get to be playful for
people, and we get to be playfultogether and so often in your
relationship you don't get to beplayful, or the circumstances
are like you say, you have somuch going on that being playful
is not a priority.
But being playful is so much ofwho we are as humans, that's

(43:38):
who we are as our spirit.
I believe as many references todancing and singing as there
are in the Bible.
Our creator wanted us to makenoise for him, absolutely.
Now, a lot of the noise that Ihave been making has been for
myself, getting it off my chest,uh, getting it out of that
creative space, um, and that hasbeen so healing for so many

(44:03):
doubts in my mind and so manyinsecurities and so many
resentments and regrets, andlike, getting all this music out
has really healed a lot ofthings that I felt were undone.
I didn't realize I had been, youknow, because you say, oh, I'll
get around to it, oh, I'll gothere one day, oh, I'll do that
sometime, you know.
But I was actually getting on toa point where, like, okay, this

(44:24):
, this has to be the time orthere will be no time and I
think he saw that and he sawthat I was really tired of
seeing people wasting theiropportunities.
Smoll has given so manyopportunities to people and I
have watched so many people andyou know I've gotten the trickle

(44:44):
down of all the information andthe knowledge and I just told
him I was like you know, I'mtired of you pouring all your
energy and effort into theseartists that won't listen to you
or choose not to prioritize thethings that you've said that'll
help their career or advancewhat they're trying to do.
I'm ready like I've beenlistening all this time I've

(45:06):
been.
You know I've funded all my ownmusic stuff, so there are a lot
of people that there's aninsinuation, you know, like, yes
, he shares his platform with me, but I'm working as an
independent artist as well, youknow financially.
He helps, you know produce yeah,he helps us write, he helps
with the production, he's my ear, you know.
He's coached me with my tonetone and it's something as a

(45:31):
partner.
And it's been very tough for mebecause I'm very indignant and
I don't like being told when I'mnot good enough.
You know that's something thatwe hear, that we you know.
But when someone looks at youand says I know you can do it
better and you feel like you'regiving it your all, sometimes
that can create something if youreact to it the wrong way.
But I had to look at him, as heknows what I'm capable of.

(45:52):
He just also knows I'm just, inmy own way, right now and he
believes in you too.
Oh and man, how many times I'vebeen crying and have to walk
away and be like that hurts myfeelings, but then come back and
go, okay, but he's right.
I listened to the playback andI'm like, oh, he's so right.

(46:21):
And he has such an incredibleear, um, that I listened to the
playback and I'm like, oh, he'sso right.
Yeah, and he has such anincredible ear that I had to
trust his guidance, you know,and trust being pushed by my
partner, because some peoplewould buck up and shut down to
that, and I was very, verytempted to do that, to just be
like I don't like being told howto do this.
I don't think he's right, youknow and do my own.
Be like I don't like being toldhow to do this, I don't think
he's right, it's not you knowand do my own.
And I had to just trust thatprocess that he knew, as an
artist, what I needed as apartner, what I was capable of,
and he pulled that right out ofme and, and you know, couple

(46:43):
with people like Josh Bright andhis talent and then, um,
linking with other people towork with that also see that in
me, you know, we've really beenable to push each other.
Because I believe in his food100%.
Yeah, Like he feeds me all thetime, I do that.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I saw the vibe.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
So I really push him in, like no, that's restaurant
quality, I would pay for this.
You know all the things andit's oh, you're just my wife.
So you that that's restaurantquality, I would pay for this?
You know all the things andit's all.
You're just, you're just mywife.
So you have to say these things.
But you know, we really try ashard as we can to play into each
other's talents and to pusheach other in our strengths and
to really encourage what we knowthe other one's capable of.

(47:27):
And it's not comfortable.
No, it is not comfortable at all, um, but oftentimes, and I
would say every time on theother side, I'm so thankful that
he didn't just, yes, man me andjust go.
Yep, sounds great.
Okay, because I can't evenimagine what the cuts of so
muddy would have been if Ihadn't got to the point that I

(47:47):
was like crying and I'm like I'mdone with music.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, this is too hard, but he kept pushing you,
not, but he knows how to do itin a way to motivate you, but
also, yes, correct what needs tobe corrected, but also not
discouraging no, no, it's any ofthe crying and all that comes
from me.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I'm feeling like I'm not good enough and he, yeah,
and he always knew and he would.
There'd be times I would do acut and he would look through
the glass and he'd be likethat's it.
I knew it and and knowing thathe has an expectation that he
knows I'm capable of and willkeep being persistent until I
can achieve that, like it takesa lot to have that from your

(48:24):
partner and from your husband,but I've been so gracious
because I've seen so many peoplehave that same opportunity and
same thing and they didn't stickwith it.
Yeah, and a lot of that wasbecause they didn't get to live
with him, you know 100 percent.
They didn't get to be as closeto him as I am.
But I'm very thankful that hedecided to take his time and
energy and effort and pouredinto me, because now Big Smoke

(48:47):
Inc is my label, so he gets to,you know, act and represent me
as a label and he pretty muchmanages me.
Um, on those things, we manageourselves and our brand and
stuff collaboratively.
But you know how we've grown asa couple, even just from
listening to the podcast thistime last year to now to have
opened a whole new business withsmall issues.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I can't wait small issues mobile eatery whole food,
plant-based, oil-free,gluten-free.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
It's so good, and let's just I've opened a whole
new business with Smolicious.
I can't wait.
Smolicious Mobile Eatery.
Whole food Plant-based,oil-free, gluten-free.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
It's so good and let's pull a plug for that right
quick, because I was going toget that too.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
That's opening soon, oh my gosh, earth Day, earth Day
.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Earth Day 422.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
And it's going to be where 401 North Cannon Boulevard
in Shelbyville, tennessee,parked in the Best Way Rent to
Own parking lot and ours will be7 am.
We're opening 7 am.
We're going to try to go until5.
But if we sell out, I think youwill.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
I don't know.
I mean, these are the things,those look phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
These are the things that I'm having a hard time with
.
Like I've never opened arestaurant before.
I mean it's a food trailer, soI hate to say like restaurant.
That's kind of soundsmisleading.
But you know, like anticipatinghow much to order and who's
going to want blueberry andwho's going to want strawberry,
or you know, like just littlestrange things that I'm having

(50:05):
to think about ahead of time andlearning all these new things
at the same time.
That's been a lot of growth forus, as these new things at the
same time, that's been a lot ofgrowth for us as a couple.
We got the trailer.
It seemed almost serendipitous.
They had never cooked any meatin it, no oil had ever been
cooked in it.
They had only been servingbaked goods out of it that had
been baked somewhere else, andlemonade, wow yeah.

(50:25):
And you got it wrapped.
I mean it's brand new,beautiful.
And then we took it down toTupelo and had our friends at
Fast Wraps wrap it in Tupelo,mississippi, which was fun,
because when we didn't have thetrailer, you get to take the
Natchez Trace.
Commercial trailers can't go onthe Trace, which I understand,
so at least half of the journeywas very scenic and fun.
I love being on the NatchezTrace and thinking about all the
history that passed throughthere, so that was like a little

(50:49):
mini trip in and of itself.
Got the trailer wrapped and nowwe're ordering all our fast
wraps.
If you need anything, yeah,fast wraps.
And then I've got them taggedon all our stuff.
If you want to look at theirstuff.
I can send you their contact.
So we got the trailer wrappedand we've got 12,000 straws that
are not paper.
That are not paper.

(51:10):
Thank you, sitting ready to beused.
Yeah, you know, ordering likeforks and squeezy bottles.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Things you don't think of right.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, my oatmeal bowl , my bowl to make my overnight
oats, which if you have not seenthe overnight oats, do yourself
a favor.
I'm really big on if I can makesomething ahead of time in a
huge batch and it just getbetter.
Yeah, so like soups and oatsare like my big thing.
Yeah, for preparing and thisbowl that I got for my oatmeal,
we joke and call it thesatellite dish it's huge, it's

(51:42):
huge so that's something I lookforward to bring in.
If you do follow smo on thesocials, all of his recipes for
the oats um that are online aregoing to be there available for
you to try anything, guys, allthe ingredients.
So if you're not anything,that's what we we push, we want
people, because creating foodand making your meals is the

(52:03):
most intimate thing other than asexual relationship you can
have, if you think about it,because it's what you're putting
right in your mouth.
You know, um, and so that wehave just made it so casual and
so let someone else you know soconvenient, and a lot of the
same ways that we have, uh, as aculture, um, watered down our,

(52:24):
our significance of our intimacyin our relationships.
The importance of our diet hascompletely been hijacked from us
as far as that intimacy of itshould be.
Now I'll even get down to thepoint and this is a long-term
goal with Smolicious, we want tobe vertically integrated and
start growing our own.
That's great.
I want to be SB Queen of theGreens.

(52:44):
SB Queen of the Greens and usprovide our own greens and
produce to everyone.
I just provide our own greensand produce to everyone and it's
small steps because, likeeverybody knows, even though
that probably was the design forus to cultivate and share for
ourselves and create our ownfood for ourselves with the help
of our creator, that we move soaway from that and how our

(53:08):
society operates now.
So we try to do the best we canwhen we shop, to be intentional
.
Who we shop with, um alwaysgratitude when you're, when
you're purchasing, and we shopproduce like everything that we
buy is like living and alive.
So other hands very much playeda part in that being a part.
The sun was there, the waterwas there, the elements were
apart and I mean, granted, to anextent I guess, everything gets

(53:31):
touched by it, but when it getstoo far into a box that and
chemical and all the otherthings.
But um and I don't want to evenget into the argument of the
soil and the non-gmo andeverything I know we're screwed
like.
I know, I know it's not good.
I toured monsanto.
I know I had to sign an NDA orNDA to go in there.
Yeah, so if you have to sign anNDA to go in somewhere you know

(53:56):
it's not good.
There's probably somethinggoing on.
You shouldn't be talking aboutit.
So, and and from being from thatperspective of um, being one
that would just be all consuming, would eat anything that was in
front of me and and didn't useany sort of discernment, now to
be at the position that we shopwith intention, we shop with
gratitude.

(54:17):
Um, we try to choose things,you know, because everybody's
like it's so expensive to eathealthy.
I, we, I'm one of the mostfrugal people we will ever meet.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I will always try and save money and so that's just
said that, because I was gettingready to talk about and we want
our food yeah, food has to beaffordable for people.
They just don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
They just don't know that, if you think about, it's
really not that more expensiveno, and let's look at what your
quality of calories is thatyou're consuming and you're
paying for.
Because what's expensive?
If it does absolutely nothingfor you, who cares?
If it was only 98 cents, that's98 cents you could have applied
to something that was good foryou, exactly, you know.
So we don't have a dollar menuapproach.

(54:59):
Things will all be adjusted,you know, as they would be at a
price, but I will guarantee youthat our smoothie is going to be
incredibly more nutritious foryou than the dunk and drink of
the day.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Let's talk about that .
I mean, you're going to havefiber.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
You're going to have, you know, protein, a healthy
fat, good complex carbohydratesto energize you through the day,
no refined sugar, you know.
So these are all things that wehave found so much success with
how we feel, and if you haven'tseen the old episode, simone and
I have lost over 300 poundstogether and through this
lifestyle, and we believe thatthe way we live has gotten us

(55:41):
more in touch with our creatorand more in touch with um.
Our, our spirituality is so muchmore robust now, um, and we
want to share that with people.
We want to share people themessage that you need to touch
your food.
You need to put that food, youknow, in a position where it is
a priority, that you are able tobe grateful to its creation and

(56:08):
all of its journey, that ittook to get to you and what, in
turn, you can do with the energythat that it took to get to you
and what, in turn, you can dowith the energy that it's going
to provide to you, because wehope, by feeding good, that the
consequences in the city willonly be good.
Yeah, because, you know, I'vereally believed that good begets
more good, and and so I hopethat, by giving people light,

(56:28):
they will be spreading light,because we talked about it in
the podcast last time likeliving living things show light
and you know, when you're ableto eat living foods, those
living foods in turn are lightfor you to shine to other people
.
So that's that's our message,with small issues yeah, I love
that.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I love that because, like, I feel better when I sit
outside in the sun, you like, Ifeel better when I sit outside
in the sun, you know, I feelbetter when my bare feet are on
the ground, you know and I'm nottrying to sound like I'm a
flower child, even though I'vegot things that say flower child
on there um, oh, I am a flowerbecause because I was kicked out
of a garden.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Heaven to me is getting back to a garden yeah
yeah, exactly exactly heaven tome is getting back to being able
to be what our creator intended.
Your hands are supposed to bein the dirt.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
You're supposed to pray for the rain you know, and
that is fully kind of gettingback to that understanding that
because I was going down thepath and still, bad habits are
hard to break, y'all.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
I still like look, I love cereal, that is my
confession.
I love cereal, that is myconfession.
I love cereal from a box likecorn puffy who knows what this
actually was?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I love cereal, but you just make a choice, not to
do it?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah, now.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I'm trying to have a one-star.
You have your fries once a yearfor your birthday.
Y'all want to see a video.
Man, you thought she found herlost child.
I may cheat because we're goingthere for my sister's birthday
Maybe like oh, it's my sister'sbirthday, Making a good choice.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
But this is coming from the girl that lived behind
McDonald's parking lot.
I ate french fries all day,every day, all the time.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
It's fun to have those moments of like a slip,
but you don't stay in it.
Most of it is good and that'swhy I tell people all the time
get in the gym.
If you don't go every day, justgo some.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
And, speaking of French fries, like I steam
potatoes and I eat my steamedpotatoes and no, it is not a
French fry but like I don'tvillainize potatoes anymore.
But there was nothing wrongwith the potato.
It was that the potato wasdunked in milk sugar and fried
in beef tallow.
It wasn't the potato's fault,it was the.

(58:34):
That's what it is.
Yeah, it's all the other nicestuff.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, travis makes fun of me because I label read
and I'll be in his food truck.
He's like stop reading labelsand I'm like, okay, sorry.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Oh yeah, if you want to ruin anyone's day, just pick
up what's sitting in front ofthem and be like do you know how
much sugar that is?
Yeah, you want to keep drinkingthat.
You want to keep drinking that.
No, and like there's such adifferent dynamic in men and
women because Smoke willstraight up like shame people.
And maybe that's just him.
He's a food shamer, he is.
He shames me all the time.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
He's like oh, cereal, we have all this oatmeal and
you're going to have cereal.
And I'm like, yes, well, hesaid on that podcast before I
was like you know, it's hard tolive in the south.
He's like that is not an excuse.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Oh, he will call you out so quick and then you know
he's like notorious for beinglike, so where are you going to
eat?
Make good choices.
Make good choices.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Daddy Smoe, I love Daddy Smo, I love it.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Papa Smo, make sure you go eat Papa Smo and you know
, I think it was one of thosethings that, like you, can only
sell so many Smo relatedt-shirts and so many keychains
and so many this and so manythat.
And he is.
He's always had food as a partof his brand.
He always has, and even when wefirst got together, we were

(59:52):
taking Mama Smo's recipe bookand we were changing them to be
more aligned to his lifestyleafter his heart surgery.
So, like on YouTube there's avideo of him making Mama's Quick
Chick for like a fraction ofthe calories with Greek yogurt
and like more qualityingredients instead of the
canned cream with chicken andall that stuff.
So we had substituted FrostedFlakes instead of Ritz crackers.

(01:00:16):
So there have been efforts theentire time I've known him, and
even before that, with the meatmud and the smoke sauce and all
those things that he's alwaystried to incorporate his love of
food.
That's awesome.
Yeah, he was a chef at.
Country awesome.
Yeah, he was a chef at countryclub when he was a kid and did
that for years, and then I myfavorite job was fox's pizza den

(01:00:37):
.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I worked there when I was a senior in high school I
loved fox's pizza.
Got you some big gluten in thatone.
Oh man, they had these wedgies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
They were like sandwiches.
Oh my gosh, that's so good,yeah, and then, um, I worked at
la siesta on church street,murphysboro.
So, like I love the restaurantenvironment, I love food service
.
Um, so we're thrilled.
This is like getting to be inlike a concession stand.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I love it because it gives you a choice, like I mean,
obviously I don't live whereyou live, but I would make that
40 minute drive to you because Iwant to try this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
And so many people want to see Smoe and they're
like I want to see Smoe.
Next time you're in town, comesee Smoe.
And Smoe has been so I mean,he's toured for so long.
He's been incredibly availablethat it's on a calendar within
months in advance where you'regoing to go.
If you really wanted to seesome more, you could.

(01:01:31):
Now, I understand financiallyand work and all those things.
However, now you know where weare all the time and if you are
anywhere near Shelbyville,tennessee, shetville, if you're
near Shetville, tennessee, comedown the best way rent a home
parking lot.
Get you some If you're nearSheffield, tennessee, yeezy,
yeah, come down the best wayRent a home Park a lot Get you

(01:01:52):
some, and I'm just thankfulbecause, like I'm local too, you
know, my dad's side of thefamily is all from Sheffield and
then I grew up in Murfreesboro,so to be somewhere where I'm
going to get to see my peopleand my people can come see me
and be.
You know, because so often likethe small, small as the artist,

(01:02:13):
singing and things isn't alwaysthe most family friendly
environment, depending on howyour family is, you know, and so
I can't exactly bring, like mynieces and nephews to come see
us at work and so to have anopportunity that my family is
going to be able to be a part ofour business, you know, to come
and see us and, um, help shareour message and stuff.

(01:02:36):
It's so great you know, and wefeel like we're in total
alignment, not to say that thethings we sing about are not
real.
I don't want to discredit anyof the things we've ever done or
to say that what we're not,what we're writing, is not
factual.
It's all happened at some point.
I may not have gotten up anddone all those things this
morning, but at some point in mylife.

(01:02:58):
Everything I've sang about I'vedone exactly, and I may not
ever do them again.
That's why I sang about it,because it was that memorable,
exactly you know and and and sonow to be in a position of like
you can have a variety of thingsfrom us, because you can have
different kinds of soups thatyou try, and there's four

(01:03:19):
different salads, and thenthere's like six different
smoothies, and I'm going torotate the oats flavors every
day.
So it's going to be somethingnew.
Even if you're local and you'rearound all the time, there's
going to be something differentto try every time.
So that's something that wehope to show people is that the
way we eat is not boring, it'svery affordable, it's easy to
get variety and that when youeat better, you will feel better

(01:03:44):
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
That's the main thing , and so yo energy levels better
.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
That is what we want everyone to experience and we
talked about it last time thatyou get sick and tired of
feeling sick and tired, and I'lltell you, this is like the
altar call Come down at the end.
This is your song, like it'stime.
If you don't feel good, we aregoing to offer something that
may be an easier way to getstarted to feel better it tastes

(01:04:13):
good and how to do itaffordably.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, and you show them on the website, like go to
the website and do it.
I mean I'm going to go try itbecause I want to try it.
Like I can't wait to try it.
Like your soft opening, I can'twait to be a part of that.
I'm so excited for the invitethere.
But but you know, it's likesmoke.
Smoke and and Sarah Beth, theyare so two of the most genuine
people and they are who they areand that's what I love about

(01:04:37):
you guys, and you truly have aheart to serve others.
You have a heart to serve yourcommunity.
So when you both could havedone a million things with your
platform, you could be out ontours every night, if you want
it to, with your talent but youchose not to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
You chose to give back to your community.
Well, and we we have beencalled.
We have been called forsomething that, through serving
others, is serving us greatly,because we're very alone in this
lifestyle like we.
You know it's very difficult tolike just go out and so we
really lack this sense ofcommunity and we're really
striving to the people that arewithin our community, that live
this lifestyle with us or thatare interested in they would

(01:05:20):
probably live like this but theyfeel so alone.
We want to offer that chem folkfeeling, uh, just through your
lifestyle, it it I.
It is the most bewilderingexperience to me the way people
have been so hateful oversomething as small as changing

(01:05:42):
your diet.
You know, and and it is a bigdeal because you do eat all day
and things but we're reallytrying to open.
I especially pity the men, whatthe industry has done to trying
to open.
I especially pity the men whatthe industry has done to men and
their masculinity andespecially in the correlation of
what they have to eat and how.
You know that education is just.
It's so sad that you knowthey've been pushed into this

(01:06:04):
corner to believe they have tobe a certain way to be a man,
and I'm very thankful that myhusband has been manly enough
and brave enough to step up andsay meat is what was killing my
manliness, you know, and thatterrible lifestyle and all the
excessive oil and eatingwhatever you wanted to, because
you're the man and you paid forit.

(01:06:25):
You know he had to let go of alot of arrogance and a lot of
his ego that defined that and Ifeel like, has become a bigger
man because of it, you know, andthat ultimately, I feel like
being able to share that healthymasculinity.
We've just got so many examplesof toxic, toxic masculinity.
We're really striving to show,like, what a positive message of

(01:06:52):
a balance of masculinity andfemininity and how that
partnership, um can really workas a force for good in the world
.
And and that's our vision forour food, you know, it's our
vision for our music, for you tohave a good time, you know and
feel that in a good time, mostof the music I've written has
been for therapy for me, becauseI needed ball and chain was all
about me.
Yeah, that the message even isnot something I even stand

(01:07:16):
beside, but it was somethingthat I had to get off my chest,
that's you know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
yeah, let's.
If you haven't listened to that, let's.
Let's talk about that realquick, I'm into ball and chain
for a second, because that isabout essentially.
You listen to your like oh mygod, she's talking about dating
a married man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yeah oh, when you hear that, when you hear it if
you were to hear ball and chainwithout knowing me and without
knowing the story, you would belike oh well, this is about
celebrating adultery, um, andthat's exactly the position it
was written from.
But it was not in celebration.
I was very ashamed like thatwhole.
I want more.
Give me some more all that thatgot added in the in production,

(01:07:56):
in in the studio, for the flairof the sound.
What I really wanted was Iwanted the wife in the position
to play the role of wife, um,because I was being given the
title of side piece, side girl,all those things, but I was not
playing that role.

(01:08:16):
There were so many assumptionsthat were made about me for my
involvement in smo's life, andreally what I was trying to do
is to help the wife in the storyheal herself.
Yeah, um, and and through thatand through that indignance to
not in in her choice in thatsituation, ultimately Smo and I
got together, but there was achunk of time in our

(01:08:39):
relationship that I thought Iwas going to forfeit being able
to be with the man that Ithought I really felt passionate
that I was meant to be with,because it was not the right
timing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
And and that song.
I mean I remember the night Iwrote that song, I stayed up way
too late and I was very upsetand it was.
I was just very hurt because Ifelt like why on earth would God
send me someone in a one atiming that he doesn't agree
with you know, and and someonethat it's just.
It just seemed so apparent thatwe had so much chemistry and

(01:09:19):
you know, now, being this far,and we had to wait to let Ball
and Chain's been written sincewe met I mean, I met him in May
and I had given him Ball andChain by August.
I had given him ball and chainby August and, um, even before
we even had had any sort of realintimate relationship to speak
of, as far as you know, in thatregard, and and I was like this

(01:09:39):
is how I feel, you know.
And now, seeing all the thingsthat have transpired through
that, I wanted to wait for hisgirls to be grown.
Um, cause, even though theyknow the story and they know the
backstory, even more transpiredthrough that.
I wanted to wait for his girlsto be grown Because, even though
they know the story and theyknow the backstory even more
than me, because they lived moreof it even than I did.
I just wanted to be respectfulthat they were at a grown enough

(01:10:03):
age for, you know, this ladywho plays the role of their
stepmom to be singing somethinglike this.
You know, we had to live somelife things for me to be able to
tell my truth, and sometimes Ithink that's timing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I think that that is awesome that you wrote it like
that, because, like I knew yourstory, so I knew exactly what
you were saying, and so forsomebody that, like you said,
that doesn't know the story.
that's why I wanted to talkabout it today, because that's a
story.
Because that's a story I mean,that's y'all's story to tell
privately, but you know what Imean.
But that's something that somany people have found
themselves in divorce.
I've been divorced more thanonce, and so has Travis, and

(01:10:39):
we're getting ready to getmarried and people can judge all
they want to and say what theywant to.
They're like oh, they did thisin that marriage and they did
this in that marriage, and theirex did this and their ex did
that, and yeah, we all bring ourown baggage to every
relationship?
Yeah, but I really I feel, and Iknow within my whole heart of
hearts, that every lesson that Iwent through in those

(01:10:59):
relationships, we get ahead ofGod sometimes and we pick things
that maybe aren't, or in themoment or in our self, unhealed
self, and we make an excuse andwe bring our baggage and toxic
stuff and they bring theirbaggage and toxic stuff and it
just blows up.
It doesn't work.
And then you see these people,the same people that had a
terrible toxic marriage happy,yeah, like my ex-husband's.

(01:11:22):
Happy, I'm happy, yeah, that'sa win.
Yeah, does that mean that we'reboth bad people?
No, yeah, does that mean thatwe're both bad people?
No, no, do we both make mistakes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
But it took us growing and healing our traumas
to be able to find that, becauseI'm the happiest I've ever been
.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Happiest you've ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
And it's okay to talk about the things that we're not
proud of in life sometimes,because they happen, yeah, and
they help make us who we are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Well, and it was such a weird experience to be in the
position that I was in, likeSmo was so public you know to be
with somebody who's incrediblypublic to where you had a
reality show at the time, right,yeah, yeah.
Because we met in between seasonone and season two.
So you know, he was having tovery much be married in a

(01:12:08):
professional sense, but nobodyknew what was going on.
Professional sense because,yeah, and people didn't know
what was going on behind closeddoors and, um, you know, all of
that's not really my story totell, because it wasn't my
experience other than being inthe position of you know,
there's like articles onlineabout this other woman and like
people were sending me stuff andthey're like, are they talking

(01:12:30):
about you?
And just, you know, peoplesaying they were gonna like post
pictures of us at the grocerystore, just weird stuff was
happening and and I just am likeI had been given this title,
you know, and, and if you listento the song, at the very end
you'll hear that I'd been giventhis title.
But you know, it really reallywas not the role I was playing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
It wasn't, or you as a person.
Yes, nothing near that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
So one of the things that I have liked to say about
Ball and Chain and whether it'stimely or untimely because of
the new Jolene release, I feellike Ball and Chain is like if
Jolene had a chance to say herperspective.
Yeah, and you know,unfortunately not every wife is
Dolly, you know, and sometimesJolene is not the bad guy uh,

(01:13:19):
depending on what thecircumstance is, and neither is
the wife.
But, um, in this scenarioeither, it's just some people
aren't willing to change withothers, and if you're with
someone and you're making a bigchange and this is something
Simone and I talk about all thetime even with you know, our
lifestyle change.
When I met him, he had hadheart surgery, and that's when I
quit drinking, because he wassober and I very much felt like

(01:13:43):
I could not be who I needed tobe for him if I wasn't willing
to do what the person before mewasn't willing to do either.
And so, you know, if he'sdivorcing someone because of
their lack of sobriety, then I'mgoing to have to make that
choice if I want to be with thisperson.
So, ultimately, his influenceis what led me to quit drinking

(01:14:05):
and it saved my life.
Um, because I did, I.
I drank a lot and, and had wemet at any other time before
that, before his heart surgery,we may have been each other's
demise, you know, because ofwhat our personalities and
tendencies and habits were, youknow.
And so having ball and chainout as an opportunity for people

(01:14:29):
to hear I'm finally speaking onit, because it is kind of like
an elephant in the room whenpeople are like what happened to
the girl on the TV show, I'mlike, well, I'm right here, I
probably shouldn't talk abouther, it's all in the book.
But ultimately the TV show hadrun its course, smollett was

(01:14:51):
done.
That was all he wanted to doanyway, and a lot of people
don't know this before the a ande show aired, they had already
done a pilot and sizzle for vh1and mtv.
So you only saw two years ofwork, which actually took more
like four years, and they hadalready done like two and a half

(01:15:11):
years before that.
So, like they as a family, bythe time season two had come out
, they had been filming for likesix years that's crazy and we
only got to see under two I'mmaking
well, and I've got to see andhear the sizzle and pilot for
vh1 and they they wanted thediscord and the chaos and they

(01:15:33):
were creating the turmoil.
And they were creating turmoilin smo's relationship with his,
with his you know partner at thetime and and creating and so I
cannot imagine and I have anincredible amount of compassion
and sympathy for everybody thatparticipated in that tv show,
because I could not imagine whathaving onlookers in your home

(01:15:55):
all the time, you know it, takesan incredible toll on someone
you know and then living in theaftermath of having been
recognized and having been soavailable.
You know, I especiallysympathize with the girls, with
John's girls, you know, becauseto move on and live a normal
life when people constantlyremind you who you are and where

(01:16:17):
you came from is probablydifficult or what they are, who
you were on tv, so who youshould have grown up to be, you
know.
So, um, and and I sympathizewith that so much because my
dad's a minister, so, like, allI grew up with was people
expecting me to be a certain wayand ultimately feeling like I
was constantly disappointingthem because.

(01:16:37):
I wasn't necessarily, you know,um, quiet and meek and mild, and
you know I was pretty outgoingand opinionated and things, and
the things that people loveabout me now have are also the
things that other people hateabout me and I'm aware of that,
you know what people love, yeahyeah.

(01:16:57):
So, um, it's just something thatI've tried to be incredibly
humble with where I came intothe, the position, so to speak,
of um, what my place has been inthe family, and the dynamic and
, professionally, what I've comein on the tail end of things,
and I really, really, reallyhave only tried very hard to

(01:17:21):
only wish grace and mercy andsuccess to anyone that feels
like I took their place, and Icontinually pray for people to
find the help that they need andseek out their real truth so
that they can live a good lifefor themselves, because,

(01:17:43):
ultimately, being with Smo isnot what makes me happy.
Being with him is a very, verybeautiful part.
But he says something aboutlove.
I'm just a piece of the puzzle,because he knows how hard I've
had to work to find thathappiness in myself and the
troubles I've had to go throughand the struggles I've had to
overcome just to even lovemyself enough to accept Smo's

(01:18:05):
love.
You know and he's watched allthat happen on anybody, anybody
today especially, but anybodythat comes across this that
thinks I have any ill willtoward them.
I'm wishing everyone to win,because everyone has a place to
win, and if your opportunitieshave passed you by.

(01:18:28):
That has happened to all of us.
We can all sit back with regretand think about when we should
have jumped at something thatmaybe we let pass us by, but I'm
a firm believer, like we'vetalked about before, always
dwelling on that stuff, you'remissing the opportunities right
in front of you, yeah, and ifyou're constantly thinking well,
you know what could have beenlike, you're going to miss out

(01:18:49):
on opportunities to do bettertomorrow.
That even goes with people andtheir diets.
People have said me they'relike well, I ate this this
weekend, so I'm just gonna havepizza today.
And I'm like well, don't starttoday yeah, don't don't keep a
loss going with another loss.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
You know so, and it's like I heard this this morning
too.
I think god was preparing mefor the news.
I got my vehicle oh god I heardthis this morning too, and it
is so freaking true worry comesfrom living in the past.
Anxiety comes from living inthe future yeah, yeah and people
that are depressed areconstantly living in the past

(01:19:24):
yeah you know, being we.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
we talked about this on the last episode because, yes
, we have to be where our feetare and, and I would say I'm
more distracted now than ever oh, God, I have my ADD, like I
mean, look my phone and I knowyou like professionally, we've
changed a lot of stuff recentlyand then you know like your kids
are getting so big they are,your kids are getting so big

(01:19:49):
that I know, I just know you'reall over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I am, I am, and then you know, constantly managing
work, making sure.
I'm there for them, you know,trying to like launch your
career so you're able to breakthe generational curse of.
Well, you know what do you callit Generate?
I want to give my familygeneration.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Yeah, so I'm constantly at a battle with that
and balance it.
Balance.
It's so hard sometimes andthat's and that's where you know
friendships come in and beingaround your people that are
going to motivate you.
Like Smo says, I know you cando.
I know you can do betterbecause that's one thing that,
like me and Travis have like,I've had some hard conversations
with him and he took it and nota way that I'm like you.

(01:20:29):
I'd never would demand that manCause I have so much respect for
him.
But I'm looking at him and hewas like that man because I have
so much respect for him.
But I look at him and he waslike when I he was complaining
about something, he wouldn'tcare.
He would tell you this too.
And he was like man, this isthis.
I'm like what did you do?
You could have done this, thisand this, and you didn't do that
and that's you know, you, youshould have done it and he
looked at me.
He was like you're right andyeah, but the same as I would do
that to him, he does that to meand hold, because that's what

(01:20:52):
true relationships are, and toknow that I love him enough and
he loves me enough.
That's not coming out of placeof being ugly.
That's coming out of place ofsaying I know you're better than
this.
I know you got more yeah, let'spull it up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Well, and constructive criticism is way
different, you know, becauseyou're trying to encourage ways,
that and a lot of things thatour partner does they're aware
they're doing them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Like they know.
They just need somebody to callthem on it.
Yeah, yeah, very much so In aloving way, in a loving way, in
a very loving way, in a lovingway A gentle reminder.
Sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah,sometimes it's swift kicking the
pants.
Sometimes it's swift kickingthe pants, Depending on what
time of month it is we might bea little bit of a get out of
here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that's okay, that's all menand women in the world today.
Oh, and you know, if you reallywant to get to know your
partner, like start a businesstogether?
Yeah, we have like all these Bein a confined space.
Yeah, put yourself in a trailertogether.
And we have a lot of thingsthat we like test people.
Like if you want to get married, you should do this first.
Like, one of our things is growa garden together, because we

(01:21:58):
learned a lot when we had to orwhen we chose to.
We didn't have to, but we did.
We had a garden during thepandemic and I mean we were like
out there, like it was ourlives.
Yeah, and it was really how wewere dealing with not knowing
how to deal with what all wewere dealing with, with not
knowing how to deal with whatall we were dealing with.
Uh, you know, but you learn alot from your partner when

(01:22:19):
you're like tilling and weedingand toting heavy stuff and
slinging straw and all that, andso manual labor I really
encourage doing with yourpartner and um, I, I really, I
really think this being able tohave this entrepreneurship
together as a couple- you'rebuilding something together.
We're very excited that this issomething that we're building

(01:22:41):
together.
Uh, you know, because even themusic stuff it's so much still
of like him and then I'm comingup and so to a degree, it still
has to stay separate at somepoint.
You know, um, but smalliciousis ours, like this is our, this
is our creation and this is ourhard work and our experience.
You know, I would say, evenmore than just a food trailer,

(01:23:03):
it's an experience, um, smos gotplans for a little workout
circuit to set out while youwait, if you get stuck in a
position where you have to waitfor us to make you something, um
, and we've got all theinformation available.
So, if you have not ever takenthe time to just go to the
website, go to the website.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Let's talk about how they can find you, because,
before you wrap this up, I wantthem to know how they can find
you on social and how they canfind this food truck Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
So wwwtherealbigsmocom is the
ultimate.
And everybody online makes funof me for always saying the www,
but TheRealBigSmocom is theultimate and everybody online
makes fun of me for alwayssaying the www, but I think
that's the best part of having acom.
I like it.
Wwwtherealbigsmocom.
There you go.
So we have the e-zines that areon there.
If you've seen those, we haveSmo e-zine 1.
It's the healthy zine, and thenwe have the e-zine 2.

(01:23:51):
So it's kind of like how thejourney started and into the
refinements, and it's a pdf fileyou can download.
We have our grocery shoppinglist on there.
We have soups, smoothies,salads.
I mean literally anything thatwe make is on the website they
don't keep it a secret.
We don't please don't put it.
Um, the only few things thathaven't made it on there from
the trailer, just things that wehaven't made the recipe like.

(01:24:13):
We've just been too busy to putit on the website.
But it's not for lack of notwanting to disclose, I just
haven't got around to it yet.
Um, and then, uh, on socials onFacebook and on Instagram you
can find the real big smoke isthe real big smoke, and then I
am.
I am SB the queen on Instagramand then on Facebook, it I am SB

(01:24:33):
the queen on Instagram and thenon Facebook it's SB the queen.
But if you go to this most page, you'll eventually find me
linked to it.
Um, if you're having a hardtime finding me, uh, sb the
queen.
But now if you're on Spotify,you know I've got over 11,000
monthly listeners.
So to know that this time lastyear I had zero girl, I mean

(01:24:55):
like listeners, is great.
It's so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
It's so weird.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yes, I'm proud of you Because I remember when I saw
it, it was like you have twomonthly listeners.
I was like I want to find thosetwo people and hug them, but I
think it was me and Smo.
Oh my gosh, when we did thewrapped artist.
This is so funny.
So you do the Spotify wrappedat the end of the year, you know
, and it's like this is your topartist.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Smo and I both got Smo.
That's awesome, because that'show we rehearse is from the live
set list.
We have the set list on Spotify.
Yeah, we just rehearse fromthat.
And so it was like, hey, thereare Kim Vogue, thanks for
listening.
I was like, oh my goodness, I'mthe number one fan.
I was my number two rep, so.
But you know, it's cool to getto see what other people see

(01:25:42):
when you're on the creation side.
I know you do a lot of contentcreation, and to be in the film
production side and then seewhat the finished product comes
out is like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
It does.
It's so cool and people don'tunderstand.
I know I keep watching.
I karate chop this microphoneLike in the last episode I kept
smacking it, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Obviously Hope I've grown in my media experience you
have.
Josh would be so glad to haveyou, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Thank you, josh would be so proud of us.
We haven't derailed too muchtoday.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
That's good.
I'm proud of it.
I love that we never have atopic that we we don't really
have to stick to anything, wedon't?
This is like when you givepeople their ADD to stream yes,
we're going to let these people,this neurodivergence take over.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Travis is going to come into his show and be like I
have no more storage.
What did y'all do?
What did you do?
But I love it.
But now a little combo, exactly,but I but I love that, though,
like I love people that aregetting out and they're doing
things like a year ago, today,you said yes to your calling,
which was a big dream of yours.
People say a big hairy dream.
That was.

(01:26:45):
That was a big hairy dream.
That takes a lot of guts to getout there and be like I'm going
to do it and there's so manypeople that like it, besides a
couple of the haters who cares?
Who cares?
There's going to be haterseverywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Okay, this is what's perplexing to me, and I don't
know if this is just things Ithink about because my
circumstance is slightlydifferent than other people's
and you understand, becauseTravis is out there and people
recognize him and stuff.
But say, for instance, if myhusband were a plumber and he
was just posting about how muchhe loved his wife, would someone
get on there and be like I onlywant you to be a plumber and

(01:27:22):
only talk about plumbing thingsand I don't want to see this
wife crap anymore.
Yeah, like it's just sobewildering that it's like and
what was crazy is the personthat said they didn't want to
see the SB crap anymore.
He was sharing Nitty Gritty'spost.
I just happened to be on it, Iwasn't even.
Yeah, so it's like oh mygoodness, like this discouraging

(01:27:44):
, like this want to discouragepeople to inspire others is so
strange that you would want tobe that hindrance.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
I think it comes from them being so unhealed, Like
the health stuff you're makingthem look in the mirror to see
that they're not healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
If I could tell you how many men come back from,
because Smo, talking aboutcalling people out, he got some
hate not too terribly long agoand it like struck a nerve
because it was like way toopersonal and very incorrect that
he found this man's contactinformation, because he too has

(01:28:20):
a food trailer and of course hisbusiness is on his Facebook.
So he just called him becauseif you're going to have your
phone number on the Internet,people can call you.
And so Smo called him and hewas like do you know who this is
?
And so Smo called him and hewas like do you know who this is
?
And the guy was like oh, youknow, because if you've ever
heard my husband talk, you'llknow it when you hear him again,
you know, and and the guy.

(01:28:43):
He admitted he was having a badday.
He said I woke up on the wrongside of bed and I saw what
you're posting and it just mademe mad and so I took it out on
you and the guy apologized.
He publicly went on Facebookand apologized.
I mean I I will say nine timesout of 10, when there is a hater
and smoke goes directly to thehater and talks to them they

(01:29:04):
apologize and say they werehaving a bad day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
See it's behind those keyboard warriors, man Like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
That's why we have to not act out of emotion Like and
this is why we have to startsharing the message of like,
positive energy of like.
If you are feeling a need toproject something angry and ugly
onto someone else, that's adirect reflection of what's
inside of you.
That fire is not lit or it does, it does or is lit and is out
of control.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
I've got, I've got this girl stalker girl that has
made this fake facebook.
You have a stalker?
well, it's that, well, she, sheinternet stalks me, obviously
but she trolls it's so funnybecause, like everybody like
I've ever dated, I'm like, hey,you're gonna get a message from
this person when we go public.
Or like I work, I'm like, hey,you're probably gonna get a
message from this person, blah,blah, blah.

(01:29:49):
And it's never failed.
Same crap every time.
Like you know, she's beendivorced and blah, blah, blah,
blah and talking bad about me,and I'm like, oh my God, it's
become comical.
So when I told Travis, I waslike, hey, it's going to happen
soon, and she messaged the showpage and stuff and it's so funny
.
Like I think that that meansthat you made it in life.

(01:30:10):
You know, you got your stalkersright.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Yeah, I got a couple of stalkers.
Yeah, I made it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
You know what it is, though I think I'm well.
I know enough that I probablycould took legal action if I
wanted to, but I haven't at thistime, because it's just why.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Well, and if you know who the person is, you
typically can come from a placeof empathy and compassion to
understand what's driving themto have these behaviors.
If you, I behaviors, um, if you,I mean if you are healed and
healthy you will be so otherpeople's intentions and
motivations become so much moreobvious, exactly, and the red

(01:30:48):
flags fly so much they do, uh,stronger.
And and I think I think it isthis constant Smo doesn't want,
he doesn't want to quit touring,because I think ultimately it
doesn't want to feel like hequit doing something that he
loves.
But talking about these kind ofinstances and encounters with
people, the false intimacy thatpeople will project on you in

(01:31:10):
social settings, especially withhis persona, I feel sorry for
him.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
He's a very strong man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
He's incredibly strong.
Like right before I went onstage in Florida, a lady said to
me I just want you to rememberSB the Queen.
You may be his wife, but he'smy husband and I was like what,
I don't even understand how thatworks.
Works, I'll send you a tab ifyou do.

(01:31:41):
You get weekends like how wasthat, you know?
But but also that, like I alsoam very compassionate and
empathetic to john can make youfeel like the only person in the
room.
Um, that's one of the thingsthat I love so much about being
his wife, but that's also one ofthe things that, being his wife
, I'm very cautious of and watchhim, not because of him but

(01:32:04):
because of other people mistakehis big giving, heart and
kindness as attraction and he hegets so bumfuzzled that he
doesn't understand some of theseladies misinterpreting his
affections.
Yeah, and he's coming from acompletely platonic, kind
affectionate place and it'sbeing malperceived or

(01:32:26):
misinterpreted as some differentlevel of intimacy and the
projection of the false intimacythat gets put on him and the
sexual harassment.
And the projection of the falseintimacy that gets put on him
and the sexual harassment.
I mean there are stuff thatwomen do to my husband that if
men were doing to me yeah, andI'm not even trying to be like
me to equality.
I don't even want to get intothese kind of talks.

(01:32:46):
But, ladies, some of what someof our behavior is foul, or like
feeling like you should get totouch someone or feeling like
you should say things to or dogestures, like there were
gestures done to us at this showthat I was like ma'am, watch
yourself.
Because if there was a man onthe front row doing that,
security would have come and gothim, you know.

(01:33:07):
So so there, there are somethings that I've had to witness
as a woman that I'm notnecessarily proud of how other
women behave, to witness as awoman that I'm not necessarily
proud of how other women behave,um, and not even necessarily
towards me, like, but treatingmy husband as this object and
things, and, and I understand,like ultimately some people,
that's the whole goal of things.
But Simone never wanted to be asex symbol, you know, like that

(01:33:30):
was never on his, that wasnever on his radar to to be in
that position.
So I'm really hoping steppinginto this food trailer thing
will be something for him to beable to shine in a way that
people haven't got to experiencehim.
I've been very fortunate.
You said you saw him on theJuicy's thing.
You know that was a year ago,so he's got a whole year worth

(01:33:51):
of kitchen time.
He's been doing that.
He's ready and we're ready foryou all to come out and just
experience what we've beengetting to live for the past.
You know past year, especiallyin preparation for this.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
So that's awesome.
Well, let's not make it a yearbefore we come back again,
because I definitely we couldtalk oh my goodness, we would
have a weekly segment, we couldtalk all day like maybe you can
come set up one day at thetrailer.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
We'll just have like an outside podcast thing we
would do it, and I'll just talkabout the food and that's the
fun thing that, you know, artand food can go so well together
and these community things cango so well together.
We have so many big dreams forwhat we want to do with this and

(01:34:39):
it's not isolated to just soup,salads and smoothies.
There's a lot of speakingopportunities and education
opportunities and you know,we're going to have some friends
of ours come and showcase theirown music to keep people
company while they're, you know,enjoying their food.
So this, this collaborativenetworking energy that we're
experiencing from offeringsomething different than music,
you know, exclusively, I'mreally hoping is going to be a

(01:34:59):
really positive impact on thecity I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
I can't wait.
I can't wait to see y'all there.
Well, guys, you know how tofollow them.
Thank you so much for comingtoday.
Thanks for having me again.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Thanks for having me again, thanks for having me
again.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Yeah guys, remix, yes , remix so definitely give them
a follow, please.
I can't wait.
Thank you so much.
Just think about the biggerthings that are going to happen
next year.
I had a ring in my finger Ididn't have before.
Oh yo yeah.
I almost forgot to give a shoutout to that Travis will meet me
.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
That's so funny because I even thought on the
way over here is.
I was like, oh my gosh, you'reengaged now I'm engaged.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Yeah, we're painting.
We're painting rooms right now.
Let's get serious permanent.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Baby, if you don't make me paint some, it better
last we're painting roomfurniture and all the things
that looks like a bombing off ofeverything I'm so proud of you,
I appreciate that.
I'm so excited to see whaty'all have and I love seeing
that, um, so many of theparallels in our relationship of
like really trying to, you know, lean into that that content

(01:36:02):
creation and showcasing yourlove for each other to everyone,
because you can be veryinspiring when you model good
love for other people.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
I think so I think people need to see that it's
okay for men to love and womento love and let their guard down
because there's so many.
That's a show we're going to do.
We went to do before we forgot.
It just hit me Feminine energyand masculine energy, for men
and female, both.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
I think that having that spouse that lets you do
that both ways, I think that'samazing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Thank you, and I think us using our opportunities
to showcase that for otherpeople.
I think that that's ourresponsibility.
I think God has called us toshare our message, and so I'm
thankful he's brought people inour path that helped make that
possible.
So thank you for having me,thanks for coming guys.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Be sure to tune into our next one.
Follow, uh.
You can like our YouTube or ourApple or anywhere where where
it's it, or Apple or anywherewhere it's Unstoppable Podcast
Series where podcasts are formedor listened to.
You can follow us there, yay.
We'll see you there, see ya,thanks, stop this and just pray
to God that it didn't?

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Oh my gosh, did it run out of time?
It did.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
It did.

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