August 29, 2025 • 41 mins
What happens when the six-figure career you worked so hard to build becomes the very thing that’s draining your soul? In this conversation, we dive into Jeanette Peterson’s bold decision to leave a lucrative cybersecurity job and follow God’s call into business and faith coaching. You’ll hear her story of wrestling with financial risk, walking in faith with her husband Austin, and discovering new doors of provision and legacy on the other side of obedience. This episode is with Jeanette Peterson.
Jeanette Peterson is a business strategist, faith mentor, and military veteran passionate about helping women build Kingdom-driven businesses. As the founder of All the King’s Women and host of the Unapologetically Unstoppable Podcast, Jeanette equips women with strategy, faith, and automation to scale to seven figures—without sacrificing their values or sanity.
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(00:24):
Hey, we are back with another episode of the Unstuck movement.
I am your host, Rob Z. These are true testimonies of
breakthrough. Today we're talking faith and
business, how to scale obediently with God, Kingdom,
leadership, legacy and provisionand unstoppable growth.
It's going to be an amazing episode with Jeanette Peterson
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and Jeanette, I love to jump in with a powerful question right
up front. And of course, we're talking
about the Lord today. Makes me super excited to have
another believer here on the show.
And I want to talk about something that I know is is near
and dear to you and also to me. So talking about the Holy Spirit
versus the devil's misinformation that that can get
tied up in our lives. Can you give like some
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practical, everyday examples of how to discern spiritual truth
from the lies, especially when it comes to business?
Because I know as business owners and as Kingdom business
owners, we want to grow and money's always attached to that,
success is always attached to that.
And I think the enemy can get inthere easily and confuse us.
(01:27):
So can you help us with some practical tips in that area?
Yeah, the devil is a He is so good at his job.
He is so good at his job. He takes everything that is
truth and just slightly pervertsit.
So we think that it's right or think that it's what God is
asking us to do. But we have to know the word.
That's number one. We have to understand what God
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is actually saying. So I, I teach my clients to not
only listen to what I'm saying, but go back to the word, go back
to the word and see what it actually says.
Because when God is speaking to us, we have to do a couple of
things. One, we have to verify.
Does this align with his character?
Does this align with his will for us to multiply?
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Does this will, does this align with his will of love of, of
neighbors and love of our brothers and sisters?
Does that align with that? And if it's no, it's probably
not God. Like we need to test every word
that we get and go back and judge it based on what he's
already said. And he might be not be like, all
right, Rob, I want you to go do this podcast and go do this
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thing. So, so, but, but if you look at
the word, it's saying, I want you to multiply and make
disciples. So how are we going to do that
this day and age? Does that align?
Yes, it does. But he might not be saying, Rob,
I want you to go do this and this and this.
But he also wants his, his yoke to be easy.
So is it making you feel not thefruit of the spirits?
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Is it making you feel like you're behind?
Is it making you feel like you're not good enough?
If that is true, then that's notfrom God for you.
It might be for somebody else for a different time, but you
have to work in your capacity also.
So I, I remind my clients that not everything good is from God.
Wow. That's so good.
(03:11):
Great place to start. I'm going to ask a follow up
question and I hate to put you on the spot, but I'm going to
can you give me a practical example of how this has happened
to you? Like where you thought, oh, wow,
this is this is really good. This is amazing.
This is so good. And then you realize, wait a
minute, that's not that's not God-given that to me.
Yeah, I am obviously a woman. And so because in the church
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women tend to do things like work in children's ministry, I
personally do not enjoy other people's children.
And so when I worked at the church and they had me in
children's ministry, this is notmaking me happy.
This is not bringing me joy. I am resenting every time I come
in here with these crying children.
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So although it is good to work in children's ministry, not for
Jeanette, Jeanette had to say no.
Jeanette was like I can't do this because I am not feeling
any fruits of the Spirit and this is not for me.
So I had to say no. Even though they said it, it is
a good thing to work in children's ministry.
Let's be real, it's good to makedisciples of the next
generation, but not for Jeanette.
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Jeanette could not do that. Yeah, yeah, that's that, That is
good. And I, I actually, I used to
work in the children's ministry too.
And I really, so I do enjoy other people, other people's
kids. But it was also, it was
incredibly draining to me. So I would leave there like
exhausted, like I had to go homeand take a nap after I was done.
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Yeah, I mean, it was. And that's another thing we have
to look for too, right In our life, especially when it comes
to our gifts, is you might be good at it, but it might be
draining you and find things that you're good at and also
give you energy and give you life.
So I had to find different ways of going about that.
So that's that's really good, very good advice.
I think this is a wonderful place to start.
Let me back up real fast. Welcome, everybody, to the
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robzwentz.com. Jeanette Peterson with us today
is AUSAF veteran and former cybersecurity engineer who left
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behind A6 figure career to buildKingdom focused businesses.
Now she equips women to scale with faith, strategy and
systems, providing you can create abundance without
compromising your values. So I want to understand your
story to know how you ended up here because obviously a veteran
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you were in cybersecurity, what led you?
Obviously God LED you to create a Kingdom centred business, but
what was going on previously in your life where you found
yourself stuck? I imagine you were good at what
you did, so why did you have to leave it behind?
So I was, it was one of the things that's good and I was
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good at it, but I, I just did not love it.
It was leaving me dry every single day.
So I got out of the military in 2017.
I was medically separated. I had a, an injury from from
some, some stuff, right? And so when I got out of the
military, I was also pregnant. And so when I was pregnant and
we moved across the country and all of that happened within
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about six months. So it was going from text
Sergeant Peterson to mom to dependent on my husband for
money and things. And I went through like this
whole almost this identity shiftand change and like, who am I
without the military? Who am I as a mom?
Who am I as just a wife? And I didn't like any of those
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feelings 'cause I was like, I'd always outranked my husband.
I'd always made more money than him.
So to like, have to depend on him for something blew my mind.
And I, I hated it. So after I got out of the
military, we moved to a new town.
I started trying to figure out who I was on my own and
discovering what I liked, what Ididn't like.
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And I went through this whole phase of, of just no, no drama,
no, like condemnation to myself,but just trying different
things. I tried real estate.
I tried Poshmark, I tried Youtubing, I tried all of these
different things to see what about each process that I
actually liked. And eventually I went online and
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I started learning about, you know, how to create courses and
how to do IT behind the scenes because I was already really
good at it. And I realized that a lot of
these people don't know how to create a business necessarily.
They know how to create like an offer, but they don't know how
to create the back end. And in the military, we do a lot
of systemization. Everything is systemized because
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people are moving in and out every couple of years.
So you have to have a system to continue the process of
everything flowing no matter where you go.
And so I, I realized that not only did I enjoy that because I
love puzzles, but it was like something that I could help
people with practically. And so as I was coming upon what
I was liking, what I wasn't liking, I was still having my IT
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job and I was like still continuing to grow in that and
get more certifications and all that stuff.
But, but I realized the people over there were just working.
They didn't have a mission, theydidn't have a reason, they
didn't have anything. It was just, I talked to one guy
and he was like, yeah, I'm goingto get my doctorates and and IT
and I was like, why? And he was like, so so I can
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make more money And I was like, but why?
So I can have a bigger house. And I was like.
Jeanette stopped ruining my dream, you know?
I was like, these are stupid reasons.
That's not a good reason. And so I was like, OK, well, I
started working with Christians because I realized that they I
thought I realized that they hada mission too.
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And a lot of them still didn't have a mission.
So I was like, wait a second, you guys still don't know who
you are? I thought that that was
something that I just had to go through since I left the
military, a lot of people don't know their identity.
And so then I was like, let me help you guys figure out your
identity and help you build a business that encompasses who
you are, why you are here, why God created you and make it be
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successful. Like I never thought that I was
supposed to make less than 7 figures.
So I want that for you too. Because God says multiply.
And if I can send somebody to the, the places that I can't go
to because I have kids and I homeschool, then I have the
money to because I can fund these things and I can't give
unless I can give from overflow.So I need the overflow so I can
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give abundantly more than I could imagine, and that's what
I'm supposed to be doing. So I was like, OK, let me do
that. Let me figure that out.
Jeanette, I love that so much. I talk about this all the time.
It's really interesting that ourI mean, maybe, maybe for you
it's different, but for most people, I would say you never
learn about vision. You never learn about your
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values in school. That's never talked about.
I never heard anybody speak about vision until I entered the
church probably. And then when I got into
leadership, right, those things start to come up and then you
start hearing about them. You're like, what the hell?
What does that even mean? It sounds great, but how do you
even craft a vision for your life?
And, and like you said, and those things bring about your
identity, your identity in Christ, your identity in who you
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are. And when, when you are seated
firmly in those things, everything becomes easier.
Your path becomes clear. You don't get pulled into the
shiny object syndrome because you know who you are.
You know what your gifts are, why God created you and what
you're going after. And that and it helps to lay
things out. But if we had to look at it from
the spiritual standpoint, the enemy would not want that to
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happen because then he can pull us in a million different
directions, confuse us, lead us astray, procrastinate all the
different things that come alongwith that.
How for you? Because this is huge.
Identity and vision are huge. And I would say even people in
the church, right, most people never figure these things out.
How did you figure them out for yourself?
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A lot of trial and error becauseI was like, there's got to be
something more than just this, this 6 figure job.
Like it was great, right? Like we had the big house, we
had the good cars and all the things, but I was like, this
still isn't giving me the fruit of the spirit.
Like I don't feel joy when I come home.
It's just like, OK, this is cool, but I want to feel that.
And I knew the stuff wasn't bad,right?
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The stuff is just stuff. But I was like, I also want to
feel lit up in the work that I'mdoing and pouring into the
people that I'm pouring into. And I was just clicking away on
my computer doing all these things.
And so as I was going on this journey with God and discovering
who he was, he was reminding me of who he created me to be.
And I had to look back to what Iwas like as a child and what I
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enjoyed as a child and all thosethings.
And that's kind of a process that I take my clients through
because sometimes they don't remember who they are.
And it's not like they have to to discover who they are.
They have to remember who God created them to be.
So I helped them do that throughthrough this process that I call
the Holy Spirit blueprint. And I like walk them through.
What were you like as a child? What did you enjoy?
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And some people can't remember. And so then I just have them
talk about like a memory that they remember and just go deeply
into it. And through that, God gives me
this discernment where I can partner with him and he shows me
things about their lives. And I'm like, well, what about
this? And I start asking the questions
and pulling things out and I'm like, you have always been a
healer. You are in healing ministry.
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Even though you are assigned to the marketplace to do work here,
your number one function as somebody in the Kingdom is to
heal. So you need to lean into that
more. And they're like, oh, I thought
I was supposed to do this coaching thing because everyone
was saying coaching was making money.
I was like, maybe it is coaching, but it's through the
lens of healing. It is not just coaching for
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business or coaching for XY and Z.
It's also this, so I had to learn how to do that for myself
so I can bring my clients through.
Remembering who God created you to be and going after only that.
And like really focusing, like you said, like the devil wants
us to forget who we are, forget all the things, forget what
we're supposed to be doing and all these, we live on the
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Internet, right? So like every 5 seconds there's
a new ad or a new thing that we should be doing or we're behind
in this. And all those feelings are
straight from the devil because God says you were right on time.
God says you are perfectly and wonderfully made.
And so if that is true because Ibelieve the Word, then there's
nothing that I am behind on. And I just have to remember that
continuously. Yeah, that's so good because if
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we read the word, we can get to know who God is.
So that's that's step number one.
You've got to be in your word and you have to you have to
spend time and you build that relationship and that that can
be really hard. It can be the hardest part with
all the distractions, everythingpulling us in different
directions. But that is the key component
because we have to learn number one, who got us.
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Once we know who he is, then we can learn who we are, who we
created us to be, and we can follow his fruits, the spirit
through that. And without that, you can be LED
astray so easily. And I don't know about you, but
I get, I get distracted every day about 6 billion times.
And every day I forget. Like every day I wake up and I
like, forget. It's like a reset.
And I was asking God, one day, like, why?
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Why are there days like, why can't one, if it was all one,
can you stay? I feel like I wouldn't have to
restart. And he's like, well, that's,
that's part of the challenge, right?
That's that's why you need me because you need to reset
yourself every single day to come back to what the truth is.
And you were saying about this is exactly what I do too, is
we're so good because you were saying about helping people go
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back to their childhood. There's one question that I
always ask people when they're when they're lost, when they're
trying to navigate, figure out what's the right thing, What's
the what's the thing for them tobe doing?
What are their gifts? I always ask them what did they
want to be when they were 10 years old?
At 10 years old, you were old enough to know what you love to
do without. You didn't need a reason why you
loved it. You just loved it.
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And you're young enough that theworld hadn't influenced you too
much out of that thing. So that's like you can go back
to that point and pinpoint that thing.
It might not be the exact thing that you wanted to do, but what
is the what are the essence of that thing?
What did what did you want to bewhen you were 10?
What was it A. Pediatrician.
I want to be a doctor. Cool, so how does that apply to
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what you do now? I get to help people.
It's almost like going back to their childhood.
I get to help people be childrenagain and be children of God and
stay in that spot. And then I, I don't do a lot of
like the healing and all the other stuff, but I get to refer
them to other people. So I'm like the general doctor
that refers them to specialists,which I actually really love to
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do. Yeah, because now you're serving
the Kingdom, right? You're a part of the body
advising to go to other pieces. That's that's that's really
good. This example.
I can think about that too. I had a woman on, I was working
with her one time and I asked her that question and she said
that she wanted to be a archaeologist or what's what?
What things things up dinosaur bones?
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Is that paleontologist? Paleontologist.
Yeah. She wanted to be a
paleontologist. And I was like, that's
interesting. So I was like, what are the
components? Why did you want to do that?
And she was saying it was like, you know, uncovering mysteries,
solving mysteries, like the whole puzzle of like unearthing
this ancient truth, finding the truth.
We went deep into this. And then she, her job at the
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current point in time was like acounselor, some sort of like
counselor, therapist in, in thatrealm.
And I was like, I mean, you're, you're, you're doing that now
for people. You're uncovering their truth,
uncovering these secrets that they've forgotten about.
It's going to help them understand their story.
And so we look at the componentsof the thing when we were 10,
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you can find like, OK, that matches what I'm doing now.
If it doesn't match what you're doing now, how can you bring
those parts out? So it does lend to what you're
doing now or you got to find something new to do, right?
It's it's kind of a journey in that.
But I love that it's so good. It's so powerful.
And OK, so we covered the identity part, which I
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absolutely love. Has God always been a part of
your life? Has he always been there with
you? Or is that or did you find him
along the path? So like growing up, we went to
church sporadically. We'd go for a season and stop
going and then go. And I was saved when I was about
12 at like a church camp. But I was never really walking
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with God. I was never really walking
underneath his wing until after I got out of the military, after
I was on that search of who am I?
And then I realized that I have always wanted to work for the
bigger pitcher, the bigger, the bigger thing, right?
Which is why I joined the military, because I wanted to
help the bigger pitcher. And, and now I realize that I'm,
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I'm still a soldier for Jesus, but just for Jesus, right?
Not just for the military anymore.
And I work in a way that is easier for me to be my full self
because in the military, there'sa set of rules that you have to
conform to, right? But it doesn't really allow for
personalization of who you are, where in the Kingdom it's, you
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can only be the fullest version of yourself.
That is the only way to be. Obviously there are soul rules
like like don't covet your neighbor and stuff.
But it's, it's stuff that you want to, you want to do because
you want to be the full version of yourself.
And so after I started walking with God and I started like
really deferring to him for everything and like asking the
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Holy Spirit to guide my life, I realized how much I had always
tried to be my own God. And the fact of like, I'm going
to do this. The the world ends with me.
If I don't do it, everything's going to fall to the ground.
And now I'm like, I can't do anything by myself.
I'm completely dependent on the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, please tell me what to do.
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And I was talking to my friend the other day about this, this
analogy. And people always say, Jesus,
take the wheel. I don't want you to take the
wheel because that means that I'm not involved in my own life.
I want to be driving the car, but I want to be blindfolded.
I want everything that I do God to direct me, and I want God to
tell me to slow down, speed up, to turn right, to turn left.
I will drive the car but I want to be completely dependent on
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him blindfolded as I'm driving my life the car.
Amen to that. Can you be a soldier for Jesus
and a soldier in the military atthe same time?
Yes, it is hard though. My husband's still active duty
and so we are both Holy Spirit led.
And so he has to tote the line of instead of being overtly
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where I'm very overt in my faith, he has to be more covert.
But I think that that's how God made him to be anyways, very, a
very covert person. And the way that he approaches
things and the way he talks to people, and he's always showing
God's character through everything he does.
But he might not say this is because of this.
Or sometimes people do ask him, man, you're just like, always so
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positive and always just, like, cool about all these things that
are happening. You just don't care that much.
He's like, yeah, it's because God.
And they're like, what? And then it opens up the
conversation. He doesn't have to like, you
know, be like me. I'm like, you need Jesus or not.
But like, so yes. But it's just harder and
different. That's that's really true.
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It's the way we walk where we live.
People see by our fruit and theyask a question that it's, it's
one of the, it's one of those like Trojan horse ways of, of
teaching somebody about Jesus islike, what's, why are you doing
this? This way?
It doesn't seem like you're bothered by that.
And then you get a chance to share.
And I, I love that. That's one of the, that's one of
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the best ways to share because it's like, that's the last thing
they expect you to say and they're like thrown off by it,
right? It's so good.
So that's that's awesome. We got to take a break real
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When we come back, though, I want to talk about discernment
through prayer, fasting, scripture.
So you've talked before even about watching for recurring
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numbers and things like that. So I want to dive into like a
faith method. How is this faith method
structured where we can practically develop our
discernment with signs and things of that nature?
We'll talk about that in one minute.
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Take care, Jeanette. I'm loving this conversation
because I, I love to talk practicality and often times,
especially when it comes to biblical things, we talk a lot
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of theory and ideas we don't getlike specific and practical.
And so this, this faith method, practically developing our
discernment to interpret signs and things of that nature.
Can you walk us through that a little bit?
Yeah. So the faith method is an
acronym for Fast, Ask, Intercede, FAIT think H here.
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Sorry, I was like, OK. Nuts.
Spelling is hard. You come from the military.
Acronyms are like a way of life,right?
It's like it all blend together.So.
So fasting is the first part, right?
And so when we fast, it allows us to take out anything that is
not from God that we know is a distraction and hear his voice
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even clearer. So when I fast, I ask God how I
should fast. There are different methods of
fasting, right? And I don't think that it's just
food because what do you call the Facebook thing, the feed, It
is food for your brain. So we take away the feed of
social media, we take away food,we take away anything that is a
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distraction. Phone games, I don't know,
whatever. And then we, we are asking God
for a specific thing or specifica specific thing this direction
or maybe even a thought. I, I've been seeing the numbers
818 lately and I've just been asking God what 818 means.
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I've got a book that talks aboutnumbers 18 eights and I've just
been like asking God what that means.
And so like when I fast, those are some of the questions I ask
and I and I'm more tuned in to see those numbers, to see the
things that he's showing me to listen to people because he
talks through people too, right?And, and listening for if, if
I'm hearing something that's coming from God through somebody
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else. And, and a lot of times we don't
like to hear from other people because we're like, they don't
know the Bible as much as I do. They're not as smart as I do.
But God used the donkey so he can use literally anybody to
give you a message. So just be tuned into him and
not the person that you're necessarily talking to.
Yeah, and I've had that happen multiple times my other place,
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especially recently. Two of the recent breakthroughs
that I've had, I'm asking God for an answer, like really
asking him sometimes yelling at him, and I'm not getting
anything. He's not saying.
I'm not, I'm not getting anything.
God. And then I'm having a
conversation later that day and somebody gives me the exact
word. And I didn't recognize it at
first because I'm like, well, this person's not going to give
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me the word that God's going to like he, why hasn't he said
anything to me yet? And this person said the thing
to me. So being aware of that and
paying attention to what other people say to you is incredibly
important. Yeah, I love that.
That's great advice. He can do it through anything
too, like like the clocks, like he's always trying to speak to
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us. You might see birds and like,
I'm not trying to like overly spiritualize everything, like
everything is not a sign. But when you're looking for God
to speak to you in a certain wayand the way that you and him
talk, you can be more aware of that.
And so you're looking out for those specific signs?
Well, and I think of it like this too.
You know, the reticular activating system in our brain,
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right? If you want a car and you're
thinking about that car, you start seeing that car are
everywhere. It works to God works that way.
I want an answer from God and I'm focusing on that.
I'm going to start seeing signs all over the place, right?
You're, you're going to see things you wouldn't necessarily
see. It's something that's in front
of your face every single day. You might see it differently one
day because you're thinking about you're asking God for an
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answer, looking for those clues.And like you said, don't over
spiritualize it. But remember, if you're really,
truly, honestly looking for thatthing, God's going to reveal it
to you. So pay attention.
Yeah, I just real quick for the story I I'm in this program with
this lady and she her price is anumber, right?
And I've been in this program for I don't know how long and
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I've been asking God for like these these signals for certain
things. And I realized the price of her
program was the signal. And I didn't see it for months
until I like, I paid an invoice three months in.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, that's the first that I've been
like looking at. This is what God has been saying
to me. This is what he's been speaking
to me this entire time. And I was just like, oh man, now
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I'm tuned in because I'm paying attention to those signs and I
see it. It's like one of those things.
Yeah, it's why it's so importantalso to stay in prayer
throughout the day, like making those reconnections with God,
because if we're not, if we're not like focused on him, we
won't see the stuff. Yes, and then we're going to
intercede, but that's the prayerpart.
We're going to intercede and we're going to ask the Holy
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Spirit to intercede on behalf aswell.
And like I like to do fasting with people because I don't
know, I think it's more powerfulif you do it with people.
You don't have to, you can do iton your own.
Sometimes God wants you to do iton your own for a certain thing,
but always be asking the Holy Spirit how you want me to fast,
how you want me to do this. And then when we're thanking
him, we're thanking him for the answer in advance for what he's
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going to do. We're thanking him because we
believe in faith that he's goingto bring us the thing that we've
been asking for. So that is a huge part of it
because we're just asking heavento align with his will on earth,
right? Like I feel like everything in
heaven is a certain way and we're just asking it to become
manifest on earth when we're thanking him in advance for that
thing coming because we believe and we have faith for it to
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happen. So that's, that's kind of what I
do is like in the faith method, we sometimes we do this as a
group in my programs, but, but that's what it is.
It's it's we're fasting, we're asking, we're interceding, we're
thinking and we're hearing what his answer is.
And then we're not just sitting on the answer, we're going,
we're acting in reckless obedience.
We're going to do that thing, even if it's scary, even if it
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doesn't make sense in the natural, because a lot of times
it doesn't make sense. And so we're just like, all
right, God, I'm trusting you. When Peter walked out on the
water, do you think that that made sense?
No, it didn't make sense. And he only started to go down
when he took his eyes off Jesus.So we had to keep our eyes on
Jesus. Reckless obedience.
We're going to do this thing. God, I'm, I'm following you and
I'm going to just keep my eyes on you because I don't, I don't
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want to be distracted and I don't want to worry about
anything that if it's not from you, I don't want to like just
keep walking. Yeah, that's that's really, I'm
actually in a in a period of that right now.
I do business coaching, but I, the church that I go to is also
a school and the school asked methis year if I wanted to teach
at the school and I felt led to teach for years.
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It wasn't the right, I could tell that it was not like for me
to go do a full time teaching job, but I did take one day a
week and then this one day a week.
I just, I just started yesterdayand I'm basically kind of
teaching phys Ed to the kids. Like we're doing like, you know,
we're exercising, but also it's like leadership activities mixed
with the exercising. But yesterday I'm there and I'm
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like, God, what am I? I'm working with like, you know,
6 year olds up to probably 17 year olds.
And I'm like, what am I doing here?
Like I'm here for 3 1/2 hours a week.
It feels out of place with the rest of my life.
But I know I'm supposed to be here.
So it's like staying curious. Like what do you, what do you
have for me here? I don't know.
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But I know something's going to come out of this and distrusting
the process. And like you were saying
earlier, you like kids. And so like, this is a way for
you to watch them grow, watch them come to this new version of
what loving Jesus looks like through their bodies.
Because a lot of times we don't treat our bodies like we should
because our body is the temple of the Lord.
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And so maybe you're showing them, look, keep your body,
right? And you don't know exactly what
you're going to change. You could be changing
generations through just you being you with these kids.
And that's a great point too. It's not always always about
you. And I tend to make things about
me. I'm like, what is what about me?
What does it have to do with me?And of course I'm going to
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learn. I know I'm going to learn a lot
through it. But the way you just reframed it
too is like, well, no, this could just be for one kid that
can make a giant impact on like,shut up, Rob.
It's not all about you. Just be patient.
So that's good advice too. Thank you for that because I
needed to hear that. I think one of the hardest parts
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in life. I know for me it can be self
starting, can be one of those difficult things to do, just
like take the first step, right?God expects us to make the first
movie, can give us a vision for the thing.
But if we don't make the moves, you know, God gave Noah the map
for the ark. He had to build the ark.
He had to actually do it. God wasn't going to build it for
him. So where we can get paralyzed in
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the analysis paralysis, What if we get it wrong?
What are the most critical, likeinternal checks or safeguards
that you encourage to discern between divine leading and like
a personal ambition to take an initial leap to go do something?
Sometimes they are combined, right?
Sometimes they are both. Sometimes it is your ambition,
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but that's because you have aligned your thoughts in your
mind with the mind of Christ. So sometimes it is, but you, you
almost stop yourself because you're like, is it just me?
Is it just something that I want?
And that's when I start praying prayers that are like, all
right, God, I think this is fromyou because we don't always know
exactly right? I think this is from you.
And if this is from you, I'm going to step 100% into it.
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And if it's not from you, shut the door in my face because I
don't want it if it's not from you.
So like sometimes it's just like, we just have to make them
move and act like God is behind us.
And if he's not allowing him to redirect us and not being mad
about the outcome because sometimes if we don't move, he
can't redirect us because there's no momentum.
So we have to make a move no matter what it is small or big,
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but start making those moves because then he can realign us
if we are out of line and being OK with that.
My I've always been a type of person to be like, well, it's
not perfect. I don't know the answers yet.
It's not, I don't get it fully yet.
So I'm not going to do it. I don't see how the math is math
and I'm not going to do it. And God reminded me, you don't
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have to. I don't need you to know all the
things. I just need you to trust me.
And that is obviously one of thehardest things to do because
it's he's the unseen God and youwant to be in control because
it's your life, right? I don't want to do this God.
This doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I, I keep thinking of
examples as you're talking aboutthese things.
There's a guy at the old church I used to go to.
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I remember that he was, he was in his early 20s, didn't have a
job. I've been going to the church
for a little while and hadn't had a job the whole time.
And I was talking to him about it one day and like, man,
there's lots of jobs out there. I mean, I can help you find a
job and get some income coming in.
And he's like, I'm waiting for, for God to give me that job.
I'm waiting for that job to showup.
And I was thinking, OK, I hear you.
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So God's going to want you to move, you do something, do
anything, and God's going to start to steer that shit.
But he wants you to go. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want
you sitting around all day not doing anything and just praying.
I mean, sitting around and praying, sure.
I doubt you're praying 24 hours a day.
So I'd imagine there's a good eight hour gap in those days
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where you could be working somewhere you need to go, go get
a job. It's going to start doing
anything and you'll start to to hear from God and figure that
out. That's really good advice too,
because we can just sit and waitand sitting and waiting that
we're supposed to work. We're supposed to be out there
making things happen. So very important to remember
that. That is a huge piece of the
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puzzle. I love talking about mindset
blocks, things that hold us back.
I know you. You have a 7 figure systems
workshop. What is 1 common but maybe often
overlooked mindset block that keeps people back from scaling
effectively from six to seven figures, even if you're going
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from 5:00 to 6:00 figures, whatever it might be.
But what do you often see as a common overlooked mindset block
for people? A lot of people that are in the
church feel like they shouldn't make money and that is like the
most, it's like abhorrent thing that I hear people saying
because if we are supposed to get from overflow, if we are
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supposed to have have influence over people to bring people back
to Jesus, so to work in the Kingdom, how can we do that?
If we don't have money, how can we affect real change that we
live in a world where money is the currency of how we make
things happen here. I can't build a house for
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orphans if I don't have money like this.
Just like I can't buy plane tickets for people to go to
Africa to evangelize without money.
So we have to have money. And so, so people are like, I
just want to just have just enough for me and my family, you
know, just make a couple of endsmeet, maybe go to get coffee.
I'm like, that is selfish. That is selfish if you're only
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thinking about you. If you only want enough money
for you, that is completely selfish.
And that is not Kingdom at all. That is just what the devil
wants you to think because he will be happy if you can't
affect anything else because that is how we're supposed to
live. Is is in abundance and an
overflow. Not so that we can have jets and
like Lambos. That's not the point.
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The point is to affect the Kingdom.
So if we have a lot, we can givea lot and we can affect a lot.
So every time somebody tells me that they aren't supposed to
make a lot of money or they feelbad about making a lot of money,
I'm like, you were assigned to the marketplace, you were
assigned to business. God told you to make this
business. So that means you were supposed
to make money, which means he wants you to make money so you
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can give money because he trustsyour heart to do the right
things with the money. So what is your problem?
And I kind of get mad at them. I kind of get all like Sergeant
to net on them and like, but sometimes they need that.
Sometimes they need that tough love of no, you have to make
money. You have to, you can't continue
to give away your services. If they can't afford your
services, that's fine, but they're not the people you were
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assigned to. You have to go find the people
you're assigned to that have themoney to buy your services.
Like that's just what it is. You are assigned to the
marketplace, so go make money. What do you say to somebody?
Who? Who, you know, you say that to
me and they say, well, if if Godwants me to have overflow to
give more, he's going to providethat because that I've heard
that argument too, is like, yes,I agree.
God wants us our cup to be overflowing so we can give
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freely, but God's going to provide that overflow.
What What is your response to that argument?
Yeah, he will, but you have to partner with him.
You have to do something. You can't just sit there and
expect him to bring you the overflow.
Like the woman with the oil. She she called that in in my
mind, she called that to Jesus and was well, God before this
Old Testament called that to Godand was like, hey, I need I need
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something. And Elijah came and was like,
what do you have? You have to use what you have.
Ask to borrow some stuff from your neighbors.
I need more vats I will fill, but you have to have something
to partner with me with. It's not just I'm just going to
give you all this overflow of oil and the oil stopped flowing
when she had when she ran out ofcontainers.
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So if you have more containers, you have more oil, which means
you can give more. So what are you doing, girl?
Like, let's get it together. I love that.
That's so. That's so true.
Great example. This has been a wonderful
conversation. I wish we had more time.
I've really enjoyed talking to you.
I want to make sure we touch on some stuff before we finish up.
I know that you have a boot campon it.
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Make sure we plug this. So learn how to do business
God's way. You can go to
kingdomwarriorbootcamp.com. What can people expect when they
go there? They can expect to shed
everything that has not been assigned to them by God to
discern what that is, to actually follow God's design for
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your life and business and to pare everything down.
And then to learn how to hear God for your business.
Because everybody's assigned to certain things, right?
Like you are here on this podcast, but God didn't tell you
to go make a TikTok because otherwise you'd be on TikTok and
that's where your people would be.
So it's it's finding what there's certain frameworks of
right business, everybody, we all need social media.
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We all need to have an offer, all of these things.
But what is what are those specific things for you and how
do you do them effectively? So that's what you're going to
learn in Kingdom worry boot campis how to hear God, how to know
what your blueprint is, your specific jobs are and how to do
it God's way where you are living in overflow and the rich
and rested life where like in the Garden of Eden, they were
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working, but they were not toiling.
It's. We are still supposed to work,
but it's supposed to be fun and it's supposed to be a place.
From where we have joy and that's what that's what you're
going to learn how to do in Kingdom Warrior Boot camp
because I am, I am a full homeschool mom.
I'm after this. I'm going to go hang out with my
kids, but I am still working like I do the thing and I'm
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going to do the thing how God created me to do it in the
season that I'm in. So also just starting last
season, it's going to be so good.
So good, I love that Kingdom Warrior bootcamp.com The link is
also in the bio. Jeanette, this has been
absolutely amazing. Love talking to you.
So glad we got connected. Now let's just say you and I,
let's just pretend you and I arenever going to talk again.
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Anybody watching or listening never hears from you again.
What is a lasting message that you would like to leave with us?
If God called you to it, he willmake it happen.
Don't try to be your own God anddo it for him.
Just do what God is saying to do.
Easier said than done, but I love that advice.
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But great advice for sure. Thank you.
Another true testimony of breakthrough.
Until next time. This has been the unstuck
movement.
Hey, we are back with another episode of the Unstuck movement.
I am your host, Rob Z. These are true testimonies of
breakthrough. Today we're talking faith and
business, how to scale obediently with God, Kingdom,
leadership, legacy and provisionand unstoppable growth.
It's going to be an amazing episode with Jeanette Peterson
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and Jeanette, I love to jump in with a powerful question right
up front. And of course, we're talking
about the Lord today. Makes me super excited to have
another believer here on the show.
And I want to talk about something that I know is is near
and dear to you and also to me. So talking about the Holy Spirit
versus the devil's misinformation that that can get
tied up in our lives. Can you give like some
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practical, everyday examples of how to discern spiritual truth
from the lies, especially when it comes to business?
Because I know as business owners and as Kingdom business
owners, we want to grow and money's always attached to that,
success is always attached to that.
And I think the enemy can get inthere easily and confuse us.
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So can you help us with some practical tips in that area?
Yeah, the devil is a He is so good at his job.
He is so good at his job. He takes everything that is
truth and just slightly pervertsit.
So we think that it's right or think that it's what God is
asking us to do. But we have to know the word.
That's number one. We have to understand what God
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is actually saying. So I, I teach my clients to not
only listen to what I'm saying, but go back to the word, go back
to the word and see what it actually says.
Because when God is speaking to us, we have to do a couple of
things. One, we have to verify.
Does this align with his character?
Does this align with his will for us to multiply?
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Does this will, does this align with his will of love of, of
neighbors and love of our brothers and sisters?
Does that align with that? And if it's no, it's probably
not God. Like we need to test every word
that we get and go back and judge it based on what he's
already said. And he might be not be like, all
right, Rob, I want you to go do this podcast and go do this
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thing. So, so, but, but if you look at
the word, it's saying, I want you to multiply and make
disciples. So how are we going to do that
this day and age? Does that align?
Yes, it does. But he might not be saying, Rob,
I want you to go do this and this and this.
But he also wants his, his yoke to be easy.
So is it making you feel not thefruit of the spirits?
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Is it making you feel like you're behind?
Is it making you feel like you're not good enough?
If that is true, then that's notfrom God for you.
It might be for somebody else for a different time, but you
have to work in your capacity also.
So I, I remind my clients that not everything good is from God.
Wow. That's so good.
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Great place to start. I'm going to ask a follow up
question and I hate to put you on the spot, but I'm going to
can you give me a practical example of how this has happened
to you? Like where you thought, oh, wow,
this is this is really good. This is amazing.
This is so good. And then you realize, wait a
minute, that's not that's not God-given that to me.
Yeah, I am obviously a woman. And so because in the church
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women tend to do things like work in children's ministry, I
personally do not enjoy other people's children.
And so when I worked at the church and they had me in
children's ministry, this is notmaking me happy.
This is not bringing me joy. I am resenting every time I come
in here with these crying children.
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So although it is good to work in children's ministry, not for
Jeanette, Jeanette had to say no.
Jeanette was like I can't do this because I am not feeling
any fruits of the Spirit and this is not for me.
So I had to say no. Even though they said it, it is
a good thing to work in children's ministry.
Let's be real, it's good to makedisciples of the next
generation, but not for Jeanette.
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Jeanette could not do that. Yeah, yeah, that's that, That is
good. And I, I actually, I used to
work in the children's ministry too.
And I really, so I do enjoy other people, other people's
kids. But it was also, it was
incredibly draining to me. So I would leave there like
exhausted, like I had to go homeand take a nap after I was done.
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Yeah, I mean, it was. And that's another thing we have
to look for too, right In our life, especially when it comes
to our gifts, is you might be good at it, but it might be
draining you and find things that you're good at and also
give you energy and give you life.
So I had to find different ways of going about that.
So that's that's really good, very good advice.
I think this is a wonderful place to start.
Let me back up real fast. Welcome, everybody, to the
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robzwentz.com. Jeanette Peterson with us today
is AUSAF veteran and former cybersecurity engineer who left
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behind A6 figure career to buildKingdom focused businesses.
Now she equips women to scale with faith, strategy and
systems, providing you can create abundance without
compromising your values. So I want to understand your
story to know how you ended up here because obviously a veteran
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you were in cybersecurity, what led you?
Obviously God LED you to create a Kingdom centred business, but
what was going on previously in your life where you found
yourself stuck? I imagine you were good at what
you did, so why did you have to leave it behind?
So I was, it was one of the things that's good and I was
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good at it, but I, I just did not love it.
It was leaving me dry every single day.
So I got out of the military in 2017.
I was medically separated. I had a, an injury from from
some, some stuff, right? And so when I got out of the
military, I was also pregnant. And so when I was pregnant and
we moved across the country and all of that happened within
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about six months. So it was going from text
Sergeant Peterson to mom to dependent on my husband for
money and things. And I went through like this
whole almost this identity shiftand change and like, who am I
without the military? Who am I as a mom?
Who am I as just a wife? And I didn't like any of those
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feelings 'cause I was like, I'd always outranked my husband.
I'd always made more money than him.
So to like, have to depend on him for something blew my mind.
And I, I hated it. So after I got out of the
military, we moved to a new town.
I started trying to figure out who I was on my own and
discovering what I liked, what Ididn't like.
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And I went through this whole phase of, of just no, no drama,
no, like condemnation to myself,but just trying different
things. I tried real estate.
I tried Poshmark, I tried Youtubing, I tried all of these
different things to see what about each process that I
actually liked. And eventually I went online and
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I started learning about, you know, how to create courses and
how to do IT behind the scenes because I was already really
good at it. And I realized that a lot of
these people don't know how to create a business necessarily.
They know how to create like an offer, but they don't know how
to create the back end. And in the military, we do a lot
of systemization. Everything is systemized because
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people are moving in and out every couple of years.
So you have to have a system to continue the process of
everything flowing no matter where you go.
And so I, I realized that not only did I enjoy that because I
love puzzles, but it was like something that I could help
people with practically. And so as I was coming upon what
I was liking, what I wasn't liking, I was still having my IT
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job and I was like still continuing to grow in that and
get more certifications and all that stuff.
But, but I realized the people over there were just working.
They didn't have a mission, theydidn't have a reason, they
didn't have anything. It was just, I talked to one guy
and he was like, yeah, I'm goingto get my doctorates and and IT
and I was like, why? And he was like, so so I can
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make more money And I was like, but why?
So I can have a bigger house. And I was like.
Jeanette stopped ruining my dream, you know?
I was like, these are stupid reasons.
That's not a good reason. And so I was like, OK, well, I
started working with Christians because I realized that they I
thought I realized that they hada mission too.
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And a lot of them still didn't have a mission.
So I was like, wait a second, you guys still don't know who
you are? I thought that that was
something that I just had to go through since I left the
military, a lot of people don't know their identity.
And so then I was like, let me help you guys figure out your
identity and help you build a business that encompasses who
you are, why you are here, why God created you and make it be
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successful. Like I never thought that I was
supposed to make less than 7 figures.
So I want that for you too. Because God says multiply.
And if I can send somebody to the, the places that I can't go
to because I have kids and I homeschool, then I have the
money to because I can fund these things and I can't give
unless I can give from overflow.So I need the overflow so I can
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give abundantly more than I could imagine, and that's what
I'm supposed to be doing. So I was like, OK, let me do
that. Let me figure that out.
Jeanette, I love that so much. I talk about this all the time.
It's really interesting that ourI mean, maybe, maybe for you
it's different, but for most people, I would say you never
learn about vision. You never learn about your
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values in school. That's never talked about.
I never heard anybody speak about vision until I entered the
church probably. And then when I got into
leadership, right, those things start to come up and then you
start hearing about them. You're like, what the hell?
What does that even mean? It sounds great, but how do you
even craft a vision for your life?
And, and like you said, and those things bring about your
identity, your identity in Christ, your identity in who you
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are. And when, when you are seated
firmly in those things, everything becomes easier.
Your path becomes clear. You don't get pulled into the
shiny object syndrome because you know who you are.
You know what your gifts are, why God created you and what
you're going after. And that and it helps to lay
things out. But if we had to look at it from
the spiritual standpoint, the enemy would not want that to
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happen because then he can pull us in a million different
directions, confuse us, lead us astray, procrastinate all the
different things that come alongwith that.
How for you? Because this is huge.
Identity and vision are huge. And I would say even people in
the church, right, most people never figure these things out.
How did you figure them out for yourself?
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A lot of trial and error becauseI was like, there's got to be
something more than just this, this 6 figure job.
Like it was great, right? Like we had the big house, we
had the good cars and all the things, but I was like, this
still isn't giving me the fruit of the spirit.
Like I don't feel joy when I come home.
It's just like, OK, this is cool, but I want to feel that.
And I knew the stuff wasn't bad,right?
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The stuff is just stuff. But I was like, I also want to
feel lit up in the work that I'mdoing and pouring into the
people that I'm pouring into. And I was just clicking away on
my computer doing all these things.
And so as I was going on this journey with God and discovering
who he was, he was reminding me of who he created me to be.
And I had to look back to what Iwas like as a child and what I
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enjoyed as a child and all thosethings.
And that's kind of a process that I take my clients through
because sometimes they don't remember who they are.
And it's not like they have to to discover who they are.
They have to remember who God created them to be.
So I helped them do that throughthrough this process that I call
the Holy Spirit blueprint. And I like walk them through.
What were you like as a child? What did you enjoy?
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And some people can't remember. And so then I just have them
talk about like a memory that they remember and just go deeply
into it. And through that, God gives me
this discernment where I can partner with him and he shows me
things about their lives. And I'm like, well, what about
this? And I start asking the questions
and pulling things out and I'm like, you have always been a
healer. You are in healing ministry.
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Even though you are assigned to the marketplace to do work here,
your number one function as somebody in the Kingdom is to
heal. So you need to lean into that
more. And they're like, oh, I thought
I was supposed to do this coaching thing because everyone
was saying coaching was making money.
I was like, maybe it is coaching, but it's through the
lens of healing. It is not just coaching for
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business or coaching for XY and Z.
It's also this, so I had to learn how to do that for myself
so I can bring my clients through.
Remembering who God created you to be and going after only that.
And like really focusing, like you said, like the devil wants
us to forget who we are, forget all the things, forget what
we're supposed to be doing and all these, we live on the
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Internet, right? So like every 5 seconds there's
a new ad or a new thing that we should be doing or we're behind
in this. And all those feelings are
straight from the devil because God says you were right on time.
God says you are perfectly and wonderfully made.
And so if that is true because Ibelieve the Word, then there's
nothing that I am behind on. And I just have to remember that
continuously. Yeah, that's so good because if
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we read the word, we can get to know who God is.
So that's that's step number one.
You've got to be in your word and you have to you have to
spend time and you build that relationship and that that can
be really hard. It can be the hardest part with
all the distractions, everythingpulling us in different
directions. But that is the key component
because we have to learn number one, who got us.
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Once we know who he is, then we can learn who we are, who we
created us to be, and we can follow his fruits, the spirit
through that. And without that, you can be LED
astray so easily. And I don't know about you, but
I get, I get distracted every day about 6 billion times.
And every day I forget. Like every day I wake up and I
like, forget. It's like a reset.
And I was asking God, one day, like, why?
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Why are there days like, why can't one, if it was all one,
can you stay? I feel like I wouldn't have to
restart. And he's like, well, that's,
that's part of the challenge, right?
That's that's why you need me because you need to reset
yourself every single day to come back to what the truth is.
And you were saying about this is exactly what I do too, is
we're so good because you were saying about helping people go
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back to their childhood. There's one question that I
always ask people when they're when they're lost, when they're
trying to navigate, figure out what's the right thing, What's
the what's the thing for them tobe doing?
What are their gifts? I always ask them what did they
want to be when they were 10 years old?
At 10 years old, you were old enough to know what you love to
do without. You didn't need a reason why you
loved it. You just loved it.
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And you're young enough that theworld hadn't influenced you too
much out of that thing. So that's like you can go back
to that point and pinpoint that thing.
It might not be the exact thing that you wanted to do, but what
is the what are the essence of that thing?
What did what did you want to bewhen you were 10?
What was it A. Pediatrician.
I want to be a doctor. Cool, so how does that apply to
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what you do now? I get to help people.
It's almost like going back to their childhood.
I get to help people be childrenagain and be children of God and
stay in that spot. And then I, I don't do a lot of
like the healing and all the other stuff, but I get to refer
them to other people. So I'm like the general doctor
that refers them to specialists,which I actually really love to
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do. Yeah, because now you're serving
the Kingdom, right? You're a part of the body
advising to go to other pieces. That's that's that's really
good. This example.
I can think about that too. I had a woman on, I was working
with her one time and I asked her that question and she said
that she wanted to be a archaeologist or what's what?
What things things up dinosaur bones?
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Is that paleontologist? Paleontologist.
Yeah. She wanted to be a
paleontologist. And I was like, that's
interesting. So I was like, what are the
components? Why did you want to do that?
And she was saying it was like, you know, uncovering mysteries,
solving mysteries, like the whole puzzle of like unearthing
this ancient truth, finding the truth.
We went deep into this. And then she, her job at the
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current point in time was like acounselor, some sort of like
counselor, therapist in, in thatrealm.
And I was like, I mean, you're, you're, you're doing that now
for people. You're uncovering their truth,
uncovering these secrets that they've forgotten about.
It's going to help them understand their story.
And so we look at the componentsof the thing when we were 10,
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you can find like, OK, that matches what I'm doing now.
If it doesn't match what you're doing now, how can you bring
those parts out? So it does lend to what you're
doing now or you got to find something new to do, right?
It's it's kind of a journey in that.
But I love that it's so good. It's so powerful.
And OK, so we covered the identity part, which I
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absolutely love. Has God always been a part of
your life? Has he always been there with
you? Or is that or did you find him
along the path? So like growing up, we went to
church sporadically. We'd go for a season and stop
going and then go. And I was saved when I was about
12 at like a church camp. But I was never really walking
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with God. I was never really walking
underneath his wing until after I got out of the military, after
I was on that search of who am I?
And then I realized that I have always wanted to work for the
bigger pitcher, the bigger, the bigger thing, right?
Which is why I joined the military, because I wanted to
help the bigger pitcher. And, and now I realize that I'm,
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I'm still a soldier for Jesus, but just for Jesus, right?
Not just for the military anymore.
And I work in a way that is easier for me to be my full self
because in the military, there'sa set of rules that you have to
conform to, right? But it doesn't really allow for
personalization of who you are, where in the Kingdom it's, you
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can only be the fullest version of yourself.
That is the only way to be. Obviously there are soul rules
like like don't covet your neighbor and stuff.
But it's, it's stuff that you want to, you want to do because
you want to be the full version of yourself.
And so after I started walking with God and I started like
really deferring to him for everything and like asking the
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Holy Spirit to guide my life, I realized how much I had always
tried to be my own God. And the fact of like, I'm going
to do this. The the world ends with me.
If I don't do it, everything's going to fall to the ground.
And now I'm like, I can't do anything by myself.
I'm completely dependent on the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, please tell me what to do.
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And I was talking to my friend the other day about this, this
analogy. And people always say, Jesus,
take the wheel. I don't want you to take the
wheel because that means that I'm not involved in my own life.
I want to be driving the car, but I want to be blindfolded.
I want everything that I do God to direct me, and I want God to
tell me to slow down, speed up, to turn right, to turn left.
I will drive the car but I want to be completely dependent on
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him blindfolded as I'm driving my life the car.
Amen to that. Can you be a soldier for Jesus
and a soldier in the military atthe same time?
Yes, it is hard though. My husband's still active duty
and so we are both Holy Spirit led.
And so he has to tote the line of instead of being overtly
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where I'm very overt in my faith, he has to be more covert.
But I think that that's how God made him to be anyways, very, a
very covert person. And the way that he approaches
things and the way he talks to people, and he's always showing
God's character through everything he does.
But he might not say this is because of this.
Or sometimes people do ask him, man, you're just like, always so
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positive and always just, like, cool about all these things that
are happening. You just don't care that much.
He's like, yeah, it's because God.
And they're like, what? And then it opens up the
conversation. He doesn't have to like, you
know, be like me. I'm like, you need Jesus or not.
But like, so yes. But it's just harder and
different. That's that's really true.
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It's the way we walk where we live.
People see by our fruit and theyask a question that it's, it's
one of the, it's one of those like Trojan horse ways of, of
teaching somebody about Jesus islike, what's, why are you doing
this? This way?
It doesn't seem like you're bothered by that.
And then you get a chance to share.
And I, I love that. That's one of the, that's one of
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the best ways to share because it's like, that's the last thing
they expect you to say and they're like thrown off by it,
right? It's so good.
So that's that's awesome. We got to take a break real
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Take care, Jeanette. I'm loving this conversation
because I, I love to talk practicality and often times,
especially when it comes to biblical things, we talk a lot
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of theory and ideas we don't getlike specific and practical.
And so this, this faith method, practically developing our
discernment to interpret signs and things of that nature.
Can you walk us through that a little bit?
Yeah. So the faith method is an
acronym for Fast, Ask, Intercede, FAIT think H here.
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Sorry, I was like, OK. Nuts.
Spelling is hard. You come from the military.
Acronyms are like a way of life,right?
It's like it all blend together.So.
So fasting is the first part, right?
And so when we fast, it allows us to take out anything that is
not from God that we know is a distraction and hear his voice
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even clearer. So when I fast, I ask God how I
should fast. There are different methods of
fasting, right? And I don't think that it's just
food because what do you call the Facebook thing, the feed, It
is food for your brain. So we take away the feed of
social media, we take away food,we take away anything that is a
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distraction. Phone games, I don't know,
whatever. And then we, we are asking God
for a specific thing or specifica specific thing this direction
or maybe even a thought. I, I've been seeing the numbers
818 lately and I've just been asking God what 818 means.
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I've got a book that talks aboutnumbers 18 eights and I've just
been like asking God what that means.
And so like when I fast, those are some of the questions I ask
and I and I'm more tuned in to see those numbers, to see the
things that he's showing me to listen to people because he
talks through people too, right?And, and listening for if, if
I'm hearing something that's coming from God through somebody
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else. And, and a lot of times we don't
like to hear from other people because we're like, they don't
know the Bible as much as I do. They're not as smart as I do.
But God used the donkey so he can use literally anybody to
give you a message. So just be tuned into him and
not the person that you're necessarily talking to.
Yeah, and I've had that happen multiple times my other place,
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especially recently. Two of the recent breakthroughs
that I've had, I'm asking God for an answer, like really
asking him sometimes yelling at him, and I'm not getting
anything. He's not saying.
I'm not, I'm not getting anything.
God. And then I'm having a
conversation later that day and somebody gives me the exact
word. And I didn't recognize it at
first because I'm like, well, this person's not going to give
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me the word that God's going to like he, why hasn't he said
anything to me yet? And this person said the thing
to me. So being aware of that and
paying attention to what other people say to you is incredibly
important. Yeah, I love that.
That's great advice. He can do it through anything
too, like like the clocks, like he's always trying to speak to
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us. You might see birds and like,
I'm not trying to like overly spiritualize everything, like
everything is not a sign. But when you're looking for God
to speak to you in a certain wayand the way that you and him
talk, you can be more aware of that.
And so you're looking out for those specific signs?
Well, and I think of it like this too.
You know, the reticular activating system in our brain,
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right? If you want a car and you're
thinking about that car, you start seeing that car are
everywhere. It works to God works that way.
I want an answer from God and I'm focusing on that.
I'm going to start seeing signs all over the place, right?
You're, you're going to see things you wouldn't necessarily
see. It's something that's in front
of your face every single day. You might see it differently one
day because you're thinking about you're asking God for an
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answer, looking for those clues.And like you said, don't over
spiritualize it. But remember, if you're really,
truly, honestly looking for thatthing, God's going to reveal it
to you. So pay attention.
Yeah, I just real quick for the story I I'm in this program with
this lady and she her price is anumber, right?
And I've been in this program for I don't know how long and
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I've been asking God for like these these signals for certain
things. And I realized the price of her
program was the signal. And I didn't see it for months
until I like, I paid an invoice three months in.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, that's the first that I've been
like looking at. This is what God has been saying
to me. This is what he's been speaking
to me this entire time. And I was just like, oh man, now
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I'm tuned in because I'm paying attention to those signs and I
see it. It's like one of those things.
Yeah, it's why it's so importantalso to stay in prayer
throughout the day, like making those reconnections with God,
because if we're not, if we're not like focused on him, we
won't see the stuff. Yes, and then we're going to
intercede, but that's the prayerpart.
We're going to intercede and we're going to ask the Holy
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Spirit to intercede on behalf aswell.
And like I like to do fasting with people because I don't
know, I think it's more powerfulif you do it with people.
You don't have to, you can do iton your own.
Sometimes God wants you to do iton your own for a certain thing,
but always be asking the Holy Spirit how you want me to fast,
how you want me to do this. And then when we're thanking
him, we're thanking him for the answer in advance for what he's
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going to do. We're thanking him because we
believe in faith that he's goingto bring us the thing that we've
been asking for. So that is a huge part of it
because we're just asking heavento align with his will on earth,
right? Like I feel like everything in
heaven is a certain way and we're just asking it to become
manifest on earth when we're thanking him in advance for that
thing coming because we believe and we have faith for it to
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happen. So that's, that's kind of what I
do is like in the faith method, we sometimes we do this as a
group in my programs, but, but that's what it is.
It's it's we're fasting, we're asking, we're interceding, we're
thinking and we're hearing what his answer is.
And then we're not just sitting on the answer, we're going,
we're acting in reckless obedience.
We're going to do that thing, even if it's scary, even if it
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doesn't make sense in the natural, because a lot of times
it doesn't make sense. And so we're just like, all
right, God, I'm trusting you. When Peter walked out on the
water, do you think that that made sense?
No, it didn't make sense. And he only started to go down
when he took his eyes off Jesus.So we had to keep our eyes on
Jesus. Reckless obedience.
We're going to do this thing. God, I'm, I'm following you and
I'm going to just keep my eyes on you because I don't, I don't
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want to be distracted and I don't want to worry about
anything that if it's not from you, I don't want to like just
keep walking. Yeah, that's that's really, I'm
actually in a in a period of that right now.
I do business coaching, but I, the church that I go to is also
a school and the school asked methis year if I wanted to teach
at the school and I felt led to teach for years.
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It wasn't the right, I could tell that it was not like for me
to go do a full time teaching job, but I did take one day a
week and then this one day a week.
I just, I just started yesterdayand I'm basically kind of
teaching phys Ed to the kids. Like we're doing like, you know,
we're exercising, but also it's like leadership activities mixed
with the exercising. But yesterday I'm there and I'm
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like, God, what am I? I'm working with like, you know,
6 year olds up to probably 17 year olds.
And I'm like, what am I doing here?
Like I'm here for 3 1/2 hours a week.
It feels out of place with the rest of my life.
But I know I'm supposed to be here.
So it's like staying curious. Like what do you, what do you
have for me here? I don't know.
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But I know something's going to come out of this and distrusting
the process. And like you were saying
earlier, you like kids. And so like, this is a way for
you to watch them grow, watch them come to this new version of
what loving Jesus looks like through their bodies.
Because a lot of times we don't treat our bodies like we should
because our body is the temple of the Lord.
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And so maybe you're showing them, look, keep your body,
right? And you don't know exactly what
you're going to change. You could be changing
generations through just you being you with these kids.
And that's a great point too. It's not always always about
you. And I tend to make things about
me. I'm like, what is what about me?
What does it have to do with me?And of course I'm going to
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learn. I know I'm going to learn a lot
through it. But the way you just reframed it
too is like, well, no, this could just be for one kid that
can make a giant impact on like,shut up, Rob.
It's not all about you. Just be patient.
So that's good advice too. Thank you for that because I
needed to hear that. I think one of the hardest parts
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in life. I know for me it can be self
starting, can be one of those difficult things to do, just
like take the first step, right?God expects us to make the first
movie, can give us a vision for the thing.
But if we don't make the moves, you know, God gave Noah the map
for the ark. He had to build the ark.
He had to actually do it. God wasn't going to build it for
him. So where we can get paralyzed in
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the analysis paralysis, What if we get it wrong?
What are the most critical, likeinternal checks or safeguards
that you encourage to discern between divine leading and like
a personal ambition to take an initial leap to go do something?
Sometimes they are combined, right?
Sometimes they are both. Sometimes it is your ambition,
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but that's because you have aligned your thoughts in your
mind with the mind of Christ. So sometimes it is, but you, you
almost stop yourself because you're like, is it just me?
Is it just something that I want?
And that's when I start praying prayers that are like, all
right, God, I think this is fromyou because we don't always know
exactly right? I think this is from you.
And if this is from you, I'm going to step 100% into it.
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And if it's not from you, shut the door in my face because I
don't want it if it's not from you.
So like sometimes it's just like, we just have to make them
move and act like God is behind us.
And if he's not allowing him to redirect us and not being mad
about the outcome because sometimes if we don't move, he
can't redirect us because there's no momentum.
So we have to make a move no matter what it is small or big,
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but start making those moves because then he can realign us
if we are out of line and being OK with that.
My I've always been a type of person to be like, well, it's
not perfect. I don't know the answers yet.
It's not, I don't get it fully yet.
So I'm not going to do it. I don't see how the math is math
and I'm not going to do it. And God reminded me, you don't
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have to. I don't need you to know all the
things. I just need you to trust me.
And that is obviously one of thehardest things to do because
it's he's the unseen God and youwant to be in control because
it's your life, right? I don't want to do this God.
This doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I, I keep thinking of
examples as you're talking aboutthese things.
There's a guy at the old church I used to go to.
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I remember that he was, he was in his early 20s, didn't have a
job. I've been going to the church
for a little while and hadn't had a job the whole time.
And I was talking to him about it one day and like, man,
there's lots of jobs out there. I mean, I can help you find a
job and get some income coming in.
And he's like, I'm waiting for, for God to give me that job.
I'm waiting for that job to showup.
And I was thinking, OK, I hear you.
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So God's going to want you to move, you do something, do
anything, and God's going to start to steer that shit.
But he wants you to go. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want
you sitting around all day not doing anything and just praying.
I mean, sitting around and praying, sure.
I doubt you're praying 24 hours a day.
So I'd imagine there's a good eight hour gap in those days
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where you could be working somewhere you need to go, go get
a job. It's going to start doing
anything and you'll start to to hear from God and figure that
out. That's really good advice too,
because we can just sit and waitand sitting and waiting that
we're supposed to work. We're supposed to be out there
making things happen. So very important to remember
that. That is a huge piece of the
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puzzle. I love talking about mindset
blocks, things that hold us back.
I know you. You have a 7 figure systems
workshop. What is 1 common but maybe often
overlooked mindset block that keeps people back from scaling
effectively from six to seven figures, even if you're going
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from 5:00 to 6:00 figures, whatever it might be.
But what do you often see as a common overlooked mindset block
for people? A lot of people that are in the
church feel like they shouldn't make money and that is like the
most, it's like abhorrent thing that I hear people saying
because if we are supposed to get from overflow, if we are
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supposed to have have influence over people to bring people back
to Jesus, so to work in the Kingdom, how can we do that?
If we don't have money, how can we affect real change that we
live in a world where money is the currency of how we make
things happen here. I can't build a house for
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orphans if I don't have money like this.
Just like I can't buy plane tickets for people to go to
Africa to evangelize without money.
So we have to have money. And so, so people are like, I
just want to just have just enough for me and my family, you
know, just make a couple of endsmeet, maybe go to get coffee.
I'm like, that is selfish. That is selfish if you're only
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thinking about you. If you only want enough money
for you, that is completely selfish.
And that is not Kingdom at all. That is just what the devil
wants you to think because he will be happy if you can't
affect anything else because that is how we're supposed to
live. Is is in abundance and an
overflow. Not so that we can have jets and
like Lambos. That's not the point.
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The point is to affect the Kingdom.
So if we have a lot, we can givea lot and we can affect a lot.
So every time somebody tells me that they aren't supposed to
make a lot of money or they feelbad about making a lot of money,
I'm like, you were assigned to the marketplace, you were
assigned to business. God told you to make this
business. So that means you were supposed
to make money, which means he wants you to make money so you
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can give money because he trustsyour heart to do the right
things with the money. So what is your problem?
And I kind of get mad at them. I kind of get all like Sergeant
to net on them and like, but sometimes they need that.
Sometimes they need that tough love of no, you have to make
money. You have to, you can't continue
to give away your services. If they can't afford your
services, that's fine, but they're not the people you were
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assigned to. You have to go find the people
you're assigned to that have themoney to buy your services.
Like that's just what it is. You are assigned to the
marketplace, so go make money. What do you say to somebody?
Who? Who, you know, you say that to
me and they say, well, if if Godwants me to have overflow to
give more, he's going to providethat because that I've heard
that argument too, is like, yes,I agree.
God wants us our cup to be overflowing so we can give
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freely, but God's going to provide that overflow.
What What is your response to that argument?
Yeah, he will, but you have to partner with him.
You have to do something. You can't just sit there and
expect him to bring you the overflow.
Like the woman with the oil. She she called that in in my
mind, she called that to Jesus and was well, God before this
Old Testament called that to Godand was like, hey, I need I need
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something. And Elijah came and was like,
what do you have? You have to use what you have.
Ask to borrow some stuff from your neighbors.
I need more vats I will fill, but you have to have something
to partner with me with. It's not just I'm just going to
give you all this overflow of oil and the oil stopped flowing
when she had when she ran out ofcontainers.
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So if you have more containers, you have more oil, which means
you can give more. So what are you doing, girl?
Like, let's get it together. I love that.
That's so. That's so true.
Great example. This has been a wonderful
conversation. I wish we had more time.
I've really enjoyed talking to you.
I want to make sure we touch on some stuff before we finish up.
I know that you have a boot campon it.
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Make sure we plug this. So learn how to do business
God's way. You can go to
kingdomwarriorbootcamp.com. What can people expect when they
go there? They can expect to shed
everything that has not been assigned to them by God to
discern what that is, to actually follow God's design for
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your life and business and to pare everything down.
And then to learn how to hear God for your business.
Because everybody's assigned to certain things, right?
Like you are here on this podcast, but God didn't tell you
to go make a TikTok because otherwise you'd be on TikTok and
that's where your people would be.
So it's it's finding what there's certain frameworks of
right business, everybody, we all need social media.
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We all need to have an offer, all of these things.
But what is what are those specific things for you and how
do you do them effectively? So that's what you're going to
learn in Kingdom worry boot campis how to hear God, how to know
what your blueprint is, your specific jobs are and how to do
it God's way where you are living in overflow and the rich
and rested life where like in the Garden of Eden, they were
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working, but they were not toiling.
It's. We are still supposed to work,
but it's supposed to be fun and it's supposed to be a place.
From where we have joy and that's what that's what you're
going to learn how to do in Kingdom Warrior Boot camp
because I am, I am a full homeschool mom.
I'm after this. I'm going to go hang out with my
kids, but I am still working like I do the thing and I'm
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going to do the thing how God created me to do it in the
season that I'm in. So also just starting last
season, it's going to be so good.
So good, I love that Kingdom Warrior bootcamp.com The link is
also in the bio. Jeanette, this has been
absolutely amazing. Love talking to you.
So glad we got connected. Now let's just say you and I,
let's just pretend you and I arenever going to talk again.
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Anybody watching or listening never hears from you again.
What is a lasting message that you would like to leave with us?
If God called you to it, he willmake it happen.
Don't try to be your own God anddo it for him.
Just do what God is saying to do.
Easier said than done, but I love that advice.
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But great advice for sure. Thank you.
Another true testimony of breakthrough.
Until next time. This has been the unstuck
movement.
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