October 15, 2025 • 41 mins
Have you ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or like life was moving too fast to find your direction? In this episode, we dive into the journey from drifting to deciding. David Prosper shares how he transformed his life from chaos and autopilot to clarity, peace, and purpose—and how listeners can do the same. Learn actionable tools to cut through overwhelm, align your actions with your vision, and lead with confidence.
This episode is with David B. Prosper.
David B. Prosper is a clarity coach, speaker, and founder of Clarity Catalyst Solutions. He helps leaders and purpose-driven people stop drifting and start living by design through practical frameworks, spiritual insight, and storytelling that hits the heart. He’s the author of the upcoming book Finding Clarity and host of the “Clarity with David Prosper” podcast. His mission? To help 1 billion people live with peace, purpose, and prosperity.
Find out more about David B. Prosper by visiting: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidprosper/
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This is the unstuck movement. Welcome back.
I'm your host, Rob Z. These are true testimonies of
breakthrough. And today we have the incredible
David B Prosper with us on the podcast.
We're gonna be talking about theclarity cycle, how to be aligned
in your leadership, taking purposeful action, overcoming
that overwhelming what be experiencing in your life and
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living intentionally. And David, I'm really excited to
have you on. And we're gonna talk about, you
know, the, the drifting versus deciding that can happen to us
in life. But I, I love talking
discernment. I, I, it's one of my favorite
subjects. And you know, in the world we
live in right now, there's so many distractions, there's so
many people pulling for our attention.
And you might think you're on the right path, but how Are you
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sure of that? So I wanted to ask you, how do
you discern between your true calling and something that might
look good, but it's just a distraction that's such a good.
Question and thank you Ralph forfor having me on.
I'm excited to just unpack this a little bit more.
I would say like the biggest tell is we can often see what's
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good and then we we practice that good and then we just like,
but what is the great thing thatwe get to do?
So like how I see discernment ishow is my spiritual gifts, what
comes naturally to me that I do like effortlessly,
unconsciously, like unconsciously conscious, like I
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don't know how good I am. I'm just doing it and how much
does it fulfill me in the process.
So for me specifically, I'm a speaker, I'm a coach.
So when I see my audience or my clients have those breakthrough
moments, that feels good for me.It feels rewarding.
But if you put me in a a job where I have to do
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administrative work and I have to work on Excel sheets, like I
literally die inside. Like I can do it, but it takes
so much out of me versus it naturally flows from me.
So I would say the biggest discernment is what naturally
flows and that's where it's leading you.
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But if it feels force, then that's typically where where
you're not as aligned. Boy, man, that is the truth.
I talk about that so much. That's like a common theme on
this show, right? Because that is, it's the truth.
Cause so many of us get caught up in and we get, we get stuck
in a place where we're, we mightbe really good at something, but
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it drains us, right? Like we're really good at
something. People love for us to do that
thing for them. And we're happy to do it because
we want to help others and we can do it.
Like gives us, you know, it might give you satisfaction in
knowing you are good at this thing, but at the end of the
day, like you're drained whenever you do it.
Then there's things that you're just naturally good at that you
could do all day long that like build you up and build others
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up. Like for me, it's probably the
same for you. Podcasting, speaking, connecting
with people. It's like I could do it all day
because it's so fun. And is there's no, there's an
ease to it and like, I just knowthat's where I'm supposed to be.
So that's, that's really good. I want to ask one question
deeper on that too, before we even fully introduce you.
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How do you figure out what thosegiftings are, right?
Because oftentimes when you're naturally really good at
something, you don't really think that much of it because
it's like, well, wouldn't isn't everybody good at that thing?
Because I'm good at it, right? So sometimes you need to look
outside of yourself to figure those things out.
What are some ways you found to reveal people's callings when
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they they might be right under their noses, but they don't see
them? That is, that's a, that's a deep
question. I would say one of the biggest
things for figuring that out is exposure.
So what are we exposed to? Then the second step would be
education. How are we educated about
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understanding? And then the next step is
execution, doing the thing. So for me, I started to learn my
giftings because my mother was apastor and she exposed me to
organizations in the church. And then she educated me on like
what it was like how Jesus served and then execute.
She asked me to start serving. And then she started putting me
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in positions where I could speak, where I could hold space
for people. And now it's like, oh, this
fulfills me. And then she also put me in
other spaces and during Sunday school and, and I had to like
clean and do the manual stuff and clean the toilets and I was
like, I don't like that stuff. So it was all of those things is
exposure. Who are we exposed to?
And the biggest question is who are we connected to?
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So if the first step of somebody's trying to discern,
how do they navigate a purpose filled life, a life of clarity?
Find someone who has clarity, who's living on purpose and be
in their ecosystem. Be curious about how they found
there. And then start putting yourself
in positions, whether it's volunteer work, whether it's
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internship, whether it's findinga mentorship.
And then you start like saying, OK, what works, what doesn't
work? And then when you find the thing
that does fulfill you or that flows, start honing your crap
and becoming a master at that. Yeah, man, that's it.
And like you said, your your momhad you basically volunteer at a
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young age. Probably she what's what are
they? She forced, forced forced you to
volunteer. Right.
Voluntold. Yeah, very.
That's. What I was looking for the word
yeah, voluntold you to do it, and that's how you find your
gifting. That's so good.
I love that because when we isolate ourselves, we try to
figure things out in like a bubble, like you need people
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around. It's for God to reveal your
gifts to you, right? If you're not around people,
he's not going to reveal the gifts because you find through
community where those come from.I mean, I'm sure you could
figure them out by yourself, butit's so much faster.
You see how you naturally serve people so much faster when
you're with people. So that's that's really good.
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I love that. And, and I want to add something
to that as well. When you talk about God, reveal
your gifts to community. Think about an apple tree,
right? An apple tree doesn't benefit
from the apples itself that other people around it.
So it's in community. How we serve others is how we
find our gifting versus how it serves us.
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Yeah, an apple tree is served bythe soil.
The, the, the apples grow, People get the apples or
animals, they eat them. The seeds fall back into the
soil, come back up through it. That's like creates that cycle
just like for people, right? That that that's a beautiful
metaphor. I don't even think I have that
fully put together in my head right now, but there's
definitely something powerful there.
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OK, so anyways, before we get Rockin and rollin, I just want
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stuck many times in my life, David, I'm sure you have also.
We all find ourselves stuck at different points, bottlenecks
at, you know, just places of a fork in the road.
And you've got to find that breakthrough.
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and C5 framework, he teaches actionable steps to create
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purpose, alignment, and prosperous lives.
So what would you say? I want to know your story, but I
also want to know what do you think the biggest myth is about
Clarity that is keeping people stuck.
What's the biggest myth when it can we hear the word clarity a
lot getting clear. What do you think the biggest
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myth is there? That's such a great question,
and I've been interviewed and I've had these conversations
with countless people. The biggest myth about clarity
is that you have to have it all figured out.
So there's this assumption and I've even had debates with
people and it's like, well, you don't need clarity in order to
take your your next step. And I was like, that's the whole
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point of clarity. It's what is my next right step,
not having everything figured out.
It's just like when we're going on a trip and we use our GPS and
we're traveling at night, we canonly see about 200 to 400 feet
ahead of us, but we know the destination that is intended to
go to, but we could only see 200to 400 feet.
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So that's the that's clarity. It's I know eventually I want to
serve people, impact the world and do something that I love.
So what does mine 200 to 400 feet my next step?
So clarity is your next step. And that's the biggest myth that
you have to have it all figured out.
Yeah. And, and it's, it's really
important. I'm curious how your thought is.
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I'm sure it's similar to mine. You have to have a vision,
right? There has to be the vision of
where you're going. Yeah, but the next step might
not be figured out yet, right? But as long as you hold on to
that vision, you're and you're going to trust the discernment
of God to guide you in the rightdirection, right?
OK, so now I know where I want to end up.
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I know what the vision is. But two minutes isn't promised
from right now, right? It's like, I don't know which
direction that's going to go. I don't know where what the
right step is to take, right? So making those conscious
decisions and clarity while having a strong vision, those
2GO hand in hand, do you agree with that?
What are your thoughts on that? I lovingly disagree.
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I lovingly disagree. Awesome.
And, and, and the reason why I say that not a lot of people
have vision, but a lot of peoplehave purpose.
And the distinction between the two for me is vision is how am I
going to serve the world, my community at a greater level?
Like my personal vision is to serve a billion people, to live
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by design. Not everybody has that, but
everyone has purpose. And the purpose is what are my
gifts and talents that can servemy immediate community.
So there's people who have the grandioso vision and there's
people who just have the purposeof like, here's my skill set,
here's my gifts. And those people need to work in
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tandem so that the vision come to pass and people live in their
purpose. So that's, that's my spin on it.
But I, I, I would say like, not everyone has a vision.
That's interesting. And I, I see what you're saying
because, well, I've talked aboutthis a lot for, I would say most
of the population. Nobody talked about vision with
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us when we were growing up. It wasn't talked about in
school. It was not taught to us how to,
how to, you know, discover what our vision is for the future.
Those things weren't taught to us.
I think we're all able to realize our vision, but we're
not taught how to do it. What are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, it it can definitely be developed in in like you said,
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it's not something that is cultivated in a school setting
because it's in those settings. It's built to reinforce
compliance versus creativity or collaboration.
So vision can be cultivated and I believe there's dormanted
visions and there's dormanted micro visions.
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But I think to, to say like thisblanket statements and leaders
like myself and so many others, like we can go on Mount Rushmore
and kind of preach from the top,like everybody needs vision and
that's motivational. But that's not true for
everybody. And that creates this, this
false reality or even the shame culture of, oh, if I don't have
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a vision, then I'm not doing something worthy versus focusing
on what is my purpose in this life?
How can I serve the immediate people with the gifts and the
talents that I have, and then how can I find others who have
vision and come alongside of them?
It's just like a church. Not everybody's going to be the
senior league pastor. He has vision, but there's the
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choir director or the worship director, there's the
administrative staff and they support the vision and move it
forward. So yes, it can be cultivated,
but I don't think everyone has it, and that's why everyone has
their different gifting. And not everyone's a leader of
people, but people can be leaders of themselves.
Very good point that that's actually that's really good.
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We're not all visionaries. Certain people are visionaries,
right? And that's like a unique gift
that they have. Great point.
I love that perspective. That's a whole new flip on how
I've been thinking about it for a while now.
So you just gave me a whole new perspective.
I appreciate that. So your I always ask like
favorite quote or personal philosophy.
You said clarity isn't somethingyou find, it's something you
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build. How have you built clarity?
Let's go back in time like who was David and how did you build?
I mean, there's probably 1,000,000 steps of building in
there, but kind of walk us through that journey of how you
built clarity into your life. First and foremost, it it, it
started with curiosity. Like again, you mentioned the
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school setting, it is built to build compliance versus
curiosity or creativity. So how growing up for me, I had
my mentors, Dr. Harrigan Smith, Harrigan, Junior Peters, George
Fabre, like all of these really great men in my life, was always
having these philosophical questions and debates.
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But I was always curious not so much of what they were saying,
but how they would say it and how they would convince each
other of their perspective when they're talking about football
games. So curiosity was the first
thing. And then like every time they
would Take Me Home. I hated this as a kid.
I was always listening to Tony Robbins, Les Brown, Brian Tracy,
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and I just wanted to listen to the radio.
I'm a I'm a kid. I'm a teenager.
I want to listen to all the rap songs so I can go to school.
But they always was playing thatin in the car.
So I was exposed to a different way of thinking and how clarity
for me was what am I curious about?
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And and then the next step was like, OK, how can I grow my
capacity, which is like, how canI grow the margins in which I
hold other things in? And then how can I grow my skill
set? So that's my competency, my
skill set to do the thing. And the next step was how can I
grow my courage? And courage is not the absence
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of fear, but the presence of faith.
And I'm stepping out of my comfort zone.
And then the last was connection.
So who am I connected to and what am I connected to?
And my grandfather would always say, tell me who your friends
are and I'll tell you who your where your future goes.
So he was always saying your connection leads to your
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direction. And if you want to be around
people who make wise decision, be around wise people.
If you want to be a fool, continue to hang around fools
and stay out of school. So he would say radio on listen.
To the rap music, right? That was.
Or listen to Tony Robbins, right?
Yeah. So that's 100% it.
So he he was, he was planting those seeds and I had to be
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receptive to it. That's so good, man, I love that
so much. What a, what a blessing he had
to have been in your life, man, that's amazing.
And we could all, and I love thinking about that too, 'cause
I, I think with my kids, like I,I try, I, I don't push things on
them, but I give them like they,it's osmosis.
They see who I am, they see whatI do.
They know what I listen to, theyknow what I watch.
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And when they're around me, I expose them to those things and
I know it's rubbing off they because they might, it might be
in one ear out the other, like, wow, whatever, Dad, you know,
that's that's I don't, I don't want to listen to that.
It's boring or whatever. But you know, those things are
getting in there and you can hear it come out through them
over time. You're like, ah, there we go.
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Those little Nuggets are being those seeds are being planted,
whether they realize it or not. I love the the like the
unknowingly being programmed with amazingly good things in
your life, with biblical things in your life is such a powerful
thing. The so you, you mentioned the
the C5 framework there. Can you, what are the the five
CS again? Can you list those?
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100% So the C5 method is capacity, like how, how are we
growing? How do we have margin for the
things that we have in our life and the things that we want in
our lives? Number 2 is competency.
How are we developing the skill set to build the future that we
want? We often aspire for things, but
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we don't have the skill set to do the thing.
So it's competency. And then #3 is courage.
Like how willing are we to step outside of our comfort zone to
do the discomfort things so thatthat we can be comfortable in
the life that we're designing #4IS connection.
Who are we connected to and whatare we connected to?
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And I, I am convinced that the best investments we can make our
relationships and the worst investments we can make our
relationships. And then the last C is
curiosity. What are we exploring?
How are we asking questions? Are we practicing a mindset of I
know what I know and I'm fixed? Or are we practicing a mindset
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of what is this telling me? Like how am I learning what,
what is being revealed? What's season?
So it's just being in the state of a student versus a state of
an expert. Like I've already achieved
everything. Yeah, OK.
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David, I'm loving this conversation.
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I'm bummed that we're almost halfway through things already
because we're barely even scratching the surface.
I want to know for you going to capacity in the C5 formula there
in the framework, what did capacity look like for you in
your life? It was my ability to maintain
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what I have while also making space for what I don't have.
So what that looked like for me specifically in my life, like
post college was my goal was always to be an entrepreneur and
like I would read about it whileworking my 9:00 to 5:00 job.
So I had to maintain my 9:00 to 5:00 job and, and, and do it
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well so that I could take the data that I've learned and the,
the objectives that I have achieved and then transfer it
over. So it was maintaining that while
also building my understanding of what an entrepreneur is and
the mindset of a founder. The, the heart set, the the
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ability to multitask. And it's no longer about you
have this role like a traditional 9 to 5, an
entrepreneur. You have multiple roles and you
have multiple hats. And then how do I lead a team?
How do I inspire vision from a startup to actually moving
things forward? So that that increased my yeah,
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capacity of just like, OK, now Ihave to maintain my role and
then I have to stretch a little bit more if I want to achieve
this goal of becoming an entrepreneur, a successful
entrepreneur. Yeah, it's.
Really important to understand and have, I think have peace and
grace with yourself about capacity because I think
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especially as an entrepreneur, especially when we want
something really bad, we have a really strong purpose, a really
strong vision. Like for me, I want to like
redline it and I'll burn myself out right, 'cause I'm like,
there's so much, there's so muchI want to do I but I don't have
the capacity for all those things yet, you know what I
mean? So you dive into a lot of things
and you can like, you can feel that.
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I can feel that tension. It's like, you know, when it's,
when you're pushing yourself just enough outside of your
comfort zone, you continue to grow, but you also know when
you're like burning yourself out.
And some people, I guess you, I didn't always know that certain
areas. I'm still learning that and it's
like feeling it out of like, OK,this is my capacity right now.
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And it's really interesting. Once as you grow, it's amazing
when you look back and you're like, wow, back at the beginning
I could barely, you know, do this one simple thing.
Now I've stacked and stacked andstacked all these things on top
and God's given me all this extra capacity for other things
in my life. And if you don't take the time
to look back through those things, you never you're not
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going to notice the growth that's happened.
I love going, do you? Do you go back and kind of
recount past years and see how you've grown?
Is that something that that you like to do?
Yeah, that's, that's interestingyou say, especially when it
comes to entrepreneurs and high performers.
There's a amazing book called the The gain in the Gap.
And high performers typically focus on the gap versus the
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gain. And recently one of my prayers
has been just like, God, thank you.
Bye. Like I was speaking to a group
last night and I was telling them like, clarity is looking
past what is and seeing what truly matters.
And I was like in front of you right now you just see a
handsome brother with some dreads.
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But what you don't know is a child who grew up in projects, a
child who was kidnapped, a childwho was abused.
So and I look back and, and, andI, I grew up poor and I remember
drinking carnation milk with cereal.
And I don't know if anybody's had carnation milk.
It's that thick milk. I never had carnation milk.
I never heard of it before. OK.
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It's horrible. It's like if you go to the
bakery section, it's all the wayat the bottom and that means
it's the worst on the shelf. So recently my prayer has been
just God, thank you. Thank you because I shouldn't
have been here, but thank you for getting me to here.
And I look back and just reflecton his, his mercy.
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I look back and I reflect on hisfavor and when people, when I
hear back from different events and and speaking opportunities,
people like best event ever. This is so amazing.
I'm like, and then my team askedme, how does that make you feel?
I'm just like God gets the glory.
They got to experience him. I'm just a pencil.
I'm a vehicle, I'm a vessel and I'm here to serve.
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So so I look back and I'm like, God, you, that's you.
And I'm just, I'm just doing what you asked me to do.
Yeah, Amen. Man, that's so good.
You you said a statement about clarity there a second ago.
I could. Do you know what it was you said
clarity is. Wish I could remember what you
said. It was so good.
Oh, looking past what is and seeing what truly matters.
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Looking past, I'm just writing down notes.
What is and? Seeing what truly matters.
That's really good. Yeah, that's that's real
clarity, being able to look pastwhat's going on right now to
what truly matters in life. Talk about connections, you
know, 'cause like you said it, we, we are the people that we
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spend the most time with, what we consume, those sorts of
things are incredibly impactful.I don't think we can even
necessarily understand how impactful it is fully.
So connections in your life, how, how have you intentionally
created incredible connections in your life 'cause I think this
is an area, especially people who are in, in early
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entrepreneurship, maybe early and ministry, whatever it might
be, might not be something you're that aware of, of the,
the serious importance of it. How have you cultivated that in
your life? Yeah, that that's a good
question. And and I talk about it in my
book Finding Clarity and there'sa distinction of who to connect
to and who not to connect to. So I'll start by who not to
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connect to or manage the access.It's complainers, consumers,
competitors, the unhealthy competitors and and the
criticizers, right? These are the people not to be
around. And then the people to spend
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more time with are the celebrators, the cultivators,
the collaborators, the contributors, and then the yeah,
those four. So how I built my life, even
more so to this day has been when I interact with someone and
the first thing I am listening to is like, are they looking to
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consume or are they looking to collaborate?
Are they looking to compete or are they looking to connect?
Are they looking to. So I'm listening by asking
questions and I believe once we have a blueprint of standards
for our lives, that becomes the,the, the mile marker or the
filtering process on who we givemore access to and who we either
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remove access or even limit access.
And I've had really good conversations with a lot of good
friends and I've, I've had to say to them, I was like, bro, I
love you. But unless we're building
something, unless we're developing something, I don't
have time to just hang out. And there's just like, oh,
really? It's like, yeah, like I want to
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build some, let's do something productive.
Yeah, we can, you know, spend time, but it's like, let's let
the foundation of our connectionbe creating or collaborating
something. If that's not it, I don't have
the time and the space to do it.And then it's like, I wish you
well and I love you. So that's always a hard
conversation because we want to please people and we want
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everyone to be on the boat, but not everybody who's on the boat
is going to help the boat move forward.
So I rather have quality than quantity, and that's allowed me
to design better relationships that is fulfilling for me versus
relationships that I'm just surrounded by people and I'm
deprived from real intimacy. Oh, yeah, so true.
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You know, I was 18 years old. I, I remember I, I only had two
like close friends in high school.
And I just said I, I didn't knowthe Lord back then either.
And I, I just said to myself, I just want to have more friends.
So maybe the worst intention I could have had, because there
was no prerequisites. It was just Lord, if there's
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somebody, not Lord, it was just like, hey, if people like, act
like they want to be my friend, I'll be their friend.
Doesn't matter who they are. So that led to a lot of people
that they weren't bad people. They were lost just like me,
right? So then we ended up doing the
things that lost people do. And that took me down a lot of
paths that I didn't need to go down because I didn't have any
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intention behind the, the connections that I was making as
when I got older. And I, you know, I look back on
that. I'm like, oh, shoot, like I
really set myself up because I was so unaware, like for being
intentional about, these are thekind of people I need to be
around. And like you said, looking for,
you're looking for those people that want to collaborate, that
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it's not like a competition all the time.
And you just, you know, that, you know, when you're around
good people. And I, I love, I also really, I
really look for when I'm around somebody who I, I like, I
absolutely love being around them.
And I'm also intimidated and I feel like uncomfortable because
they're, you know, they might bea few levels above me.
I'm like, I need to be here more.
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Like this is the place I need tobecause it's like it's it's it's
like a healthy discomfort. How do you feel about that?
A healthy discomfort And that I don't mean that in a bad way.
I just mean like this person is challenging me to grow just by
being who they are. Do you put yourself in those
circles? 110% And that's where the
courage comes in, because courage is, I don't have it all
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figured out, but I'm willing to learn.
I'm willing to, I'm willing to look silly in the process.
And a lot of people are a lot ofpeople are in the public prison
of perception. So if someone's a couple of
levels ahead of me, then I don'twant to be around them because I
don't want them to perceive thatI'm not enough.
But if I have a heart set and a mindset that I'm a student or I
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just haven't learned it yet or Ihaven't just I haven't failed
enough times. And we perceive the successful
people like, oh man, you made it.
Think about how many times they've had to fail before they
actually made it. So it's like I haven't failed
enough. I haven't had enough skin in the
game. I haven't had enough seasonal
opportunities at bat. Doesn't make me any difference.
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So I've been in those situationswhere I've been in rooms where
people are millionaires and I'm sitting there and I'm just like,
it was like, so how's your business going?
I was like, oh, we, we're in thewe just have one comma coming
in. We have a couple of commas and
I'm just like, all right, cool, cool, cool.
I love that I'm not there yet, but we working there.
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So it's like, what's your process?
What's your mindset? And I try to learn like the best
practices and how they serve people and how they do it at a
high level while maintaining their close relationship.
So I put myself in those rooms and I love, I love the challenge
of being like, OK, I'm the underdog, but I'm going to get
there. Just give me time.
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I'm going to get there. Yeah, and and being transparent
and asking those questions when you find the right people,
especially the the people that like you said who have a couple
commas, but they're willing to sit down and just share with
because most of those people arelike that.
I've met, I have not met very many who were very guarded with
their information. They're usually pretty free.
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If you ask a question, they're going to provide you with
guidance. And that is some of the, I mean,
just priceless kind of stuff, the rooms that God can put you
in, but you have to step out 'cause I, I, I think about so
often, how many rooms have I been in my life or people I've
been around in my life where I wasn't paying attention or I was
full of fear. So I didn't ask a question.
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I didn't step out. I didn't take the risk of
embarrassing myself in that. Who knows what could have come
from one of those conversations,right?
Who knows what, what, what impact I could have had.
And I don't mean just, I don't mean financially, I just mean
just the wisdom you can get frompeople and the relationships you
can build. It's, it's just, it's
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invaluable. And we should be clear on that.
Speaking of clarity, clear on that, on a daily basis, when I
put this episode together, the word drifting did come up.
And I was like, man, drifting isso important because we can
drift and not realize we're drifting, right.
And the difference between drifting and deciding, being a
decision maker, Was there a point in your life where you
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were drifting and and how would you identify that?
Yeah. So the drifting for me, it's
it's living by the default and it's doing the things that I've
always seen done because we've always done it.
There's this famous story of a grandma making a Turkey and she
cuts off the, the sides of the legs and then the granddaughter
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end up doing it. And then one day she's like, why
are we doing this? Like, well, my great grandma
always on this and they go back in the story and it's just like,
why did you do this? Was like, well, because we
didn't have enough space in the oven.
So we've never questioned thingsbecause we've always seen it and
done it. So for me particularly like when
I just kept on just working fromdoing job to job, like for the
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1st 90 days, I'm an amazing employee.
After 90 days, I'm finding all of the deficiencies, the
inefficiencies and how can make things better.
And, and it's interesting because when they would hire me,
especially in sales management roles, it's like we want a
leader. We want someone to be proactive
and then take initiative. And I started finding the
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loopholes and then I was like, can we improve?
This was like, no, no, no, no. And I was like, that's why we're
not growing. So for me, it was just like, why
am I doing something that that doesn't bring me joy?
And then I started doing that inmy personal relationships.
I was connected to people just by being connected to people.
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And I would take group photos with people and it looks fun on
social media, but I was alone the entire time.
So I was like, this is not real.And so when I started having
those moments that I started to awake or awakened, just like,
no, I don't want to do this justto do this.
If I do this, I want to decide to do this.
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I want to be present in doing this.
I want to be intentional in doing this.
And this has to be enriching or it's non negotiable.
And that's cool. It's I'm going to leave it to
each their own. So those were the moments when I
started noticing my relationships, my workplace, my
environments. I was like, this doesn't fulfill
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me and this doesn't bring me joy.
Feels like it's more chaos than peaceful.
And that's when I started makinga pivot to deciding what type of
life I want to live and who I want to do that with.
Yeah. And you've got to be real
intentional about it because youcan get really when you start to
drift and you don't catch it, it, it, everything is impacted
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by it. And you cannot really
necessarily even predict how faroff course you're gonna go.
I always think of the space shuttle like when they, a space
shuttle's going to the moon or wherever it's going, it's a
constant. It's like every microsecond
there's a recorrection. And so you think about that.
That's like our life, like if we're not paying attention.
So if that space shuttle would micro correct and not recorrect
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for like 1, you know, thousandthof a second, that ship that,
that that space shuttle could end up like hundreds of miles
off its course because it needs those micro corrections.
We need those micro corrections in our life to have that
awareness and to ask God to giveus that clarity, to give us that
awareness to keep us focused. That's really, really good.
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Let's talk about habits for a minute.
We're coming to the end here. And I think habits are so
important. What what habits for you
reinforce clarity versus confusion, say on on a daily
basis? Things we can build in?
So first and foremost is your body.
I'm moving your body from me specifically.
I exercise and I do all sorts ofexercise, yoga, I'm a box
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amateur fighter and and I run. So that helps release a lot of
the things that my body stores. And then the next steps I do
like habit wise is I do a lot ofrecovery.
So I do cold plunges, cryotherapy, red light, so that
gets my body to be in a more relaxed state so I can start
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thinking more clearly. And then the more other physical
things I do is journaling, praying, spending time with God.
Like there's no better clarity than that.
That's my my inspiration. And then habits is having
conversations with people that enriches me and reading and
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listening to different content that I can consume that growth.
So if I can focus on who are my people?
How am I moving forward in my mypurpose and how am I moving my
body each day? Those are the habits that
continue, that allows me to continue, stay in alignment and
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and build clarity from each of those interactions and moments.
Yeah, so good. It's, it's so the things, the
good things, the things of God are simple, right?
They might not be easy all the time, right, to find the
motivation to do the thing, but it's simple.
The concept is always right there in front of our face.
I want to encourage people to check out what you're doing so
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you can take your clarity assessment.
Go to davidbprosper.com. There's a blue button there.
It says your clarity score. Click that button to take that
clarity score. What can they expect from that?
How would you want them to reachout to you if they want to
connect with you? Oh, that's awesome.
So once you connect with, once you complete your assessment,
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it's 46 questions and it's in six different area, areas of
your life, spiritually, financially, personally,
professionally, based off how you respond to it, you're going
to get a clarity score of like where you're at and where your
capacity is AT. And then it's going to create a
30 day blueprint for you as far as like what are your next steps
in the next 30 days that you canstart working on?
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And then if you want to take it a step further, there's a link
after you get your score and your results, you'll click that
link and it will connect to my calendar where you can set up a
call where we have a 30 day, a 30 minute free, no fee blueprint
call. And we talked through things,
see if it's a good fit and if it's a good fit, we'll talk
about what long term coaching looks like.
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Very cool. I love that.
David B prosper.com click the blue button for your clarity
score. Try that out today.
Check it out. And at the end of these
episodes, I like to ask a question just, you know, say we
never speak again. You never somebody's watching,
listening, they never hear from you ever again.
And you wanted to leave them with a lasting message.
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What message would you leave them with?
Progress looks differently everyday and everyday Find
clarity everyday make progress. Progress looks.
Progress looks differently everyday.
Everyday find clarity. Everyday make progress.
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Yeah, you've got to refocus. And like you said, getting in
the Word, spending time with God, that and that always brings
clarity. That's so good.
I love that amazing dude. Great to meet you.
Great to have you on here. Thank you.
Another Unstuck story, another true testimony of breakthrough.
Until next time. This has been the Unstuck
movement.
This is the unstuck movement. Welcome back.
I'm your host, Rob Z. These are true testimonies of
breakthrough. And today we have the incredible
David B Prosper with us on the podcast.
We're gonna be talking about theclarity cycle, how to be aligned
in your leadership, taking purposeful action, overcoming
that overwhelming what be experiencing in your life and
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living intentionally. And David, I'm really excited to
have you on. And we're gonna talk about, you
know, the, the drifting versus deciding that can happen to us
in life. But I, I love talking
discernment. I, I, it's one of my favorite
subjects. And you know, in the world we
live in right now, there's so many distractions, there's so
many people pulling for our attention.
And you might think you're on the right path, but how Are you
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sure of that? So I wanted to ask you, how do
you discern between your true calling and something that might
look good, but it's just a distraction that's such a good.
Question and thank you Ralph forfor having me on.
I'm excited to just unpack this a little bit more.
I would say like the biggest tell is we can often see what's
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good and then we we practice that good and then we just like,
but what is the great thing thatwe get to do?
So like how I see discernment ishow is my spiritual gifts, what
comes naturally to me that I do like effortlessly,
unconsciously, like unconsciously conscious, like I
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don't know how good I am. I'm just doing it and how much
does it fulfill me in the process.
So for me specifically, I'm a speaker, I'm a coach.
So when I see my audience or my clients have those breakthrough
moments, that feels good for me.It feels rewarding.
But if you put me in a a job where I have to do
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administrative work and I have to work on Excel sheets, like I
literally die inside. Like I can do it, but it takes
so much out of me versus it naturally flows from me.
So I would say the biggest discernment is what naturally
flows and that's where it's leading you.
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But if it feels force, then that's typically where where
you're not as aligned. Boy, man, that is the truth.
I talk about that so much. That's like a common theme on
this show, right? Because that is, it's the truth.
Cause so many of us get caught up in and we get, we get stuck
in a place where we're, we mightbe really good at something, but
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it drains us, right? Like we're really good at
something. People love for us to do that
thing for them. And we're happy to do it because
we want to help others and we can do it.
Like gives us, you know, it might give you satisfaction in
knowing you are good at this thing, but at the end of the
day, like you're drained whenever you do it.
Then there's things that you're just naturally good at that you
could do all day long that like build you up and build others
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up. Like for me, it's probably the
same for you. Podcasting, speaking, connecting
with people. It's like I could do it all day
because it's so fun. And is there's no, there's an
ease to it and like, I just knowthat's where I'm supposed to be.
So that's, that's really good. I want to ask one question
deeper on that too, before we even fully introduce you.
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How do you figure out what thosegiftings are, right?
Because oftentimes when you're naturally really good at
something, you don't really think that much of it because
it's like, well, wouldn't isn't everybody good at that thing?
Because I'm good at it, right? So sometimes you need to look
outside of yourself to figure those things out.
What are some ways you found to reveal people's callings when
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they they might be right under their noses, but they don't see
them? That is, that's a, that's a deep
question. I would say one of the biggest
things for figuring that out is exposure.
So what are we exposed to? Then the second step would be
education. How are we educated about
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understanding? And then the next step is
execution, doing the thing. So for me, I started to learn my
giftings because my mother was apastor and she exposed me to
organizations in the church. And then she educated me on like
what it was like how Jesus served and then execute.
She asked me to start serving. And then she started putting me
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in positions where I could speak, where I could hold space
for people. And now it's like, oh, this
fulfills me. And then she also put me in
other spaces and during Sunday school and, and I had to like
clean and do the manual stuff and clean the toilets and I was
like, I don't like that stuff. So it was all of those things is
exposure. Who are we exposed to?
And the biggest question is who are we connected to?
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So if the first step of somebody's trying to discern,
how do they navigate a purpose filled life, a life of clarity?
Find someone who has clarity, who's living on purpose and be
in their ecosystem. Be curious about how they found
there. And then start putting yourself
in positions, whether it's volunteer work, whether it's
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internship, whether it's findinga mentorship.
And then you start like saying, OK, what works, what doesn't
work? And then when you find the thing
that does fulfill you or that flows, start honing your crap
and becoming a master at that. Yeah, man, that's it.
And like you said, your your momhad you basically volunteer at a
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young age. Probably she what's what are
they? She forced, forced forced you to
volunteer. Right.
Voluntold. Yeah, very.
That's. What I was looking for the word
yeah, voluntold you to do it, and that's how you find your
gifting. That's so good.
I love that because when we isolate ourselves, we try to
figure things out in like a bubble, like you need people
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around. It's for God to reveal your
gifts to you, right? If you're not around people,
he's not going to reveal the gifts because you find through
community where those come from.I mean, I'm sure you could
figure them out by yourself, butit's so much faster.
You see how you naturally serve people so much faster when
you're with people. So that's that's really good.
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I love that. And, and I want to add something
to that as well. When you talk about God, reveal
your gifts to community. Think about an apple tree,
right? An apple tree doesn't benefit
from the apples itself that other people around it.
So it's in community. How we serve others is how we
find our gifting versus how it serves us.
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Yeah, an apple tree is served bythe soil.
The, the, the apples grow, People get the apples or
animals, they eat them. The seeds fall back into the
soil, come back up through it. That's like creates that cycle
just like for people, right? That that that's a beautiful
metaphor. I don't even think I have that
fully put together in my head right now, but there's
definitely something powerful there.
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OK, so anyways, before we get Rockin and rollin, I just want
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And you've got to find that breakthrough.
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Prosper. He helps leaders and
entrepreneurs break free from confusion, reclaim focus, and
move forward with confidence. Through his Clarity archetype
and C5 framework, he teaches actionable steps to create
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purpose, alignment, and prosperous lives.
So what would you say? I want to know your story, but I
also want to know what do you think the biggest myth is about
Clarity that is keeping people stuck.
What's the biggest myth when it can we hear the word clarity a
lot getting clear. What do you think the biggest
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myth is there? That's such a great question,
and I've been interviewed and I've had these conversations
with countless people. The biggest myth about clarity
is that you have to have it all figured out.
So there's this assumption and I've even had debates with
people and it's like, well, you don't need clarity in order to
take your your next step. And I was like, that's the whole
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point of clarity. It's what is my next right step,
not having everything figured out.
It's just like when we're going on a trip and we use our GPS and
we're traveling at night, we canonly see about 200 to 400 feet
ahead of us, but we know the destination that is intended to
go to, but we could only see 200to 400 feet.
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So that's the that's clarity. It's I know eventually I want to
serve people, impact the world and do something that I love.
So what does mine 200 to 400 feet my next step?
So clarity is your next step. And that's the biggest myth that
you have to have it all figured out.
Yeah. And, and it's, it's really
important. I'm curious how your thought is.
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I'm sure it's similar to mine. You have to have a vision,
right? There has to be the vision of
where you're going. Yeah, but the next step might
not be figured out yet, right? But as long as you hold on to
that vision, you're and you're going to trust the discernment
of God to guide you in the rightdirection, right?
OK, so now I know where I want to end up.
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I know what the vision is. But two minutes isn't promised
from right now, right? It's like, I don't know which
direction that's going to go. I don't know where what the
right step is to take, right? So making those conscious
decisions and clarity while having a strong vision, those
2GO hand in hand, do you agree with that?
What are your thoughts on that? I lovingly disagree.
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I lovingly disagree. Awesome.
And, and, and the reason why I say that not a lot of people
have vision, but a lot of peoplehave purpose.
And the distinction between the two for me is vision is how am I
going to serve the world, my community at a greater level?
Like my personal vision is to serve a billion people, to live
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by design. Not everybody has that, but
everyone has purpose. And the purpose is what are my
gifts and talents that can servemy immediate community.
So there's people who have the grandioso vision and there's
people who just have the purposeof like, here's my skill set,
here's my gifts. And those people need to work in
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tandem so that the vision come to pass and people live in their
purpose. So that's, that's my spin on it.
But I, I, I would say like, not everyone has a vision.
That's interesting. And I, I see what you're saying
because, well, I've talked aboutthis a lot for, I would say most
of the population. Nobody talked about vision with
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us when we were growing up. It wasn't talked about in
school. It was not taught to us how to,
how to, you know, discover what our vision is for the future.
Those things weren't taught to us.
I think we're all able to realize our vision, but we're
not taught how to do it. What are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, it it can definitely be developed in in like you said,
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it's not something that is cultivated in a school setting
because it's in those settings. It's built to reinforce
compliance versus creativity or collaboration.
So vision can be cultivated and I believe there's dormanted
visions and there's dormanted micro visions.
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But I think to, to say like thisblanket statements and leaders
like myself and so many others, like we can go on Mount Rushmore
and kind of preach from the top,like everybody needs vision and
that's motivational. But that's not true for
everybody. And that creates this, this
false reality or even the shame culture of, oh, if I don't have
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a vision, then I'm not doing something worthy versus focusing
on what is my purpose in this life?
How can I serve the immediate people with the gifts and the
talents that I have, and then how can I find others who have
vision and come alongside of them?
It's just like a church. Not everybody's going to be the
senior league pastor. He has vision, but there's the
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choir director or the worship director, there's the
administrative staff and they support the vision and move it
forward. So yes, it can be cultivated,
but I don't think everyone has it, and that's why everyone has
their different gifting. And not everyone's a leader of
people, but people can be leaders of themselves.
Very good point that that's actually that's really good.
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We're not all visionaries. Certain people are visionaries,
right? And that's like a unique gift
that they have. Great point.
I love that perspective. That's a whole new flip on how
I've been thinking about it for a while now.
So you just gave me a whole new perspective.
I appreciate that. So your I always ask like
favorite quote or personal philosophy.
You said clarity isn't somethingyou find, it's something you
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build. How have you built clarity?
Let's go back in time like who was David and how did you build?
I mean, there's probably 1,000,000 steps of building in
there, but kind of walk us through that journey of how you
built clarity into your life. First and foremost, it it, it
started with curiosity. Like again, you mentioned the
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school setting, it is built to build compliance versus
curiosity or creativity. So how growing up for me, I had
my mentors, Dr. Harrigan Smith, Harrigan, Junior Peters, George
Fabre, like all of these really great men in my life, was always
having these philosophical questions and debates.
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But I was always curious not so much of what they were saying,
but how they would say it and how they would convince each
other of their perspective when they're talking about football
games. So curiosity was the first
thing. And then like every time they
would Take Me Home. I hated this as a kid.
I was always listening to Tony Robbins, Les Brown, Brian Tracy,
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and I just wanted to listen to the radio.
I'm a I'm a kid. I'm a teenager.
I want to listen to all the rap songs so I can go to school.
But they always was playing thatin in the car.
So I was exposed to a different way of thinking and how clarity
for me was what am I curious about?
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And and then the next step was like, OK, how can I grow my
capacity, which is like, how canI grow the margins in which I
hold other things in? And then how can I grow my skill
set? So that's my competency, my
skill set to do the thing. And the next step was how can I
grow my courage? And courage is not the absence
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of fear, but the presence of faith.
And I'm stepping out of my comfort zone.
And then the last was connection.
So who am I connected to and what am I connected to?
And my grandfather would always say, tell me who your friends
are and I'll tell you who your where your future goes.
So he was always saying your connection leads to your
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direction. And if you want to be around
people who make wise decision, be around wise people.
If you want to be a fool, continue to hang around fools
and stay out of school. So he would say radio on listen.
To the rap music, right? That was.
Or listen to Tony Robbins, right?
Yeah. So that's 100% it.
So he he was, he was planting those seeds and I had to be
(16:49):
receptive to it. That's so good, man, I love that
so much. What a, what a blessing he had
to have been in your life, man, that's amazing.
And we could all, and I love thinking about that too, 'cause
I, I think with my kids, like I,I try, I, I don't push things on
them, but I give them like they,it's osmosis.
They see who I am, they see whatI do.
They know what I listen to, theyknow what I watch.
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And when they're around me, I expose them to those things and
I know it's rubbing off they because they might, it might be
in one ear out the other, like, wow, whatever, Dad, you know,
that's that's I don't, I don't want to listen to that.
It's boring or whatever. But you know, those things are
getting in there and you can hear it come out through them
over time. You're like, ah, there we go.
(17:31):
Those little Nuggets are being those seeds are being planted,
whether they realize it or not. I love the the like the
unknowingly being programmed with amazingly good things in
your life, with biblical things in your life is such a powerful
thing. The so you, you mentioned the
the C5 framework there. Can you, what are the the five
CS again? Can you list those?
(17:52):
100% So the C5 method is capacity, like how, how are we
growing? How do we have margin for the
things that we have in our life and the things that we want in
our lives? Number 2 is competency.
How are we developing the skill set to build the future that we
want? We often aspire for things, but
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we don't have the skill set to do the thing.
So it's competency. And then #3 is courage.
Like how willing are we to step outside of our comfort zone to
do the discomfort things so thatthat we can be comfortable in
the life that we're designing #4IS connection.
Who are we connected to and whatare we connected to?
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And I, I am convinced that the best investments we can make our
relationships and the worst investments we can make our
relationships. And then the last C is
curiosity. What are we exploring?
How are we asking questions? Are we practicing a mindset of I
know what I know and I'm fixed? Or are we practicing a mindset
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of what is this telling me? Like how am I learning what,
what is being revealed? What's season?
So it's just being in the state of a student versus a state of
an expert. Like I've already achieved
everything. Yeah, OK.
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your life? Who, how did you intentionally
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Where did fear creep in? And you had to step into faith
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David, I'm loving this conversation.
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I'm bummed that we're almost halfway through things already
because we're barely even scratching the surface.
I want to know for you going to capacity in the C5 formula there
in the framework, what did capacity look like for you in
your life? It was my ability to maintain
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what I have while also making space for what I don't have.
So what that looked like for me specifically in my life, like
post college was my goal was always to be an entrepreneur and
like I would read about it whileworking my 9:00 to 5:00 job.
So I had to maintain my 9:00 to 5:00 job and, and, and do it
(21:47):
well so that I could take the data that I've learned and the,
the objectives that I have achieved and then transfer it
over. So it was maintaining that while
also building my understanding of what an entrepreneur is and
the mindset of a founder. The, the heart set, the the
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ability to multitask. And it's no longer about you
have this role like a traditional 9 to 5, an
entrepreneur. You have multiple roles and you
have multiple hats. And then how do I lead a team?
How do I inspire vision from a startup to actually moving
things forward? So that that increased my yeah,
(22:31):
capacity of just like, OK, now Ihave to maintain my role and
then I have to stretch a little bit more if I want to achieve
this goal of becoming an entrepreneur, a successful
entrepreneur. Yeah, it's.
Really important to understand and have, I think have peace and
grace with yourself about capacity because I think
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especially as an entrepreneur, especially when we want
something really bad, we have a really strong purpose, a really
strong vision. Like for me, I want to like
redline it and I'll burn myself out right, 'cause I'm like,
there's so much, there's so muchI want to do I but I don't have
the capacity for all those things yet, you know what I
mean? So you dive into a lot of things
and you can like, you can feel that.
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I can feel that tension. It's like, you know, when it's,
when you're pushing yourself just enough outside of your
comfort zone, you continue to grow, but you also know when
you're like burning yourself out.
And some people, I guess you, I didn't always know that certain
areas. I'm still learning that and it's
like feeling it out of like, OK,this is my capacity right now.
(23:35):
And it's really interesting. Once as you grow, it's amazing
when you look back and you're like, wow, back at the beginning
I could barely, you know, do this one simple thing.
Now I've stacked and stacked andstacked all these things on top
and God's given me all this extra capacity for other things
in my life. And if you don't take the time
to look back through those things, you never you're not
(23:57):
going to notice the growth that's happened.
I love going, do you? Do you go back and kind of
recount past years and see how you've grown?
Is that something that that you like to do?
Yeah, that's, that's interestingyou say, especially when it
comes to entrepreneurs and high performers.
There's a amazing book called the The gain in the Gap.
And high performers typically focus on the gap versus the
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gain. And recently one of my prayers
has been just like, God, thank you.
Bye. Like I was speaking to a group
last night and I was telling them like, clarity is looking
past what is and seeing what truly matters.
And I was like in front of you right now you just see a
handsome brother with some dreads.
(24:40):
But what you don't know is a child who grew up in projects, a
child who was kidnapped, a childwho was abused.
So and I look back and, and, andI, I grew up poor and I remember
drinking carnation milk with cereal.
And I don't know if anybody's had carnation milk.
It's that thick milk. I never had carnation milk.
I never heard of it before. OK.
(25:01):
It's horrible. It's like if you go to the
bakery section, it's all the wayat the bottom and that means
it's the worst on the shelf. So recently my prayer has been
just God, thank you. Thank you because I shouldn't
have been here, but thank you for getting me to here.
And I look back and just reflecton his, his mercy.
(25:22):
I look back and I reflect on hisfavor and when people, when I
hear back from different events and and speaking opportunities,
people like best event ever. This is so amazing.
I'm like, and then my team askedme, how does that make you feel?
I'm just like God gets the glory.
They got to experience him. I'm just a pencil.
I'm a vehicle, I'm a vessel and I'm here to serve.
(25:44):
So so I look back and I'm like, God, you, that's you.
And I'm just, I'm just doing what you asked me to do.
Yeah, Amen. Man, that's so good.
You you said a statement about clarity there a second ago.
I could. Do you know what it was you said
clarity is. Wish I could remember what you
said. It was so good.
Oh, looking past what is and seeing what truly matters.
(26:05):
Looking past, I'm just writing down notes.
What is and? Seeing what truly matters.
That's really good. Yeah, that's that's real
clarity, being able to look pastwhat's going on right now to
what truly matters in life. Talk about connections, you
know, 'cause like you said it, we, we are the people that we
(26:26):
spend the most time with, what we consume, those sorts of
things are incredibly impactful.I don't think we can even
necessarily understand how impactful it is fully.
So connections in your life, how, how have you intentionally
created incredible connections in your life 'cause I think this
is an area, especially people who are in, in early
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entrepreneurship, maybe early and ministry, whatever it might
be, might not be something you're that aware of, of the,
the serious importance of it. How have you cultivated that in
your life? Yeah, that that's a good
question. And and I talk about it in my
book Finding Clarity and there'sa distinction of who to connect
to and who not to connect to. So I'll start by who not to
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connect to or manage the access.It's complainers, consumers,
competitors, the unhealthy competitors and and the
criticizers, right? These are the people not to be
around. And then the people to spend
(27:30):
more time with are the celebrators, the cultivators,
the collaborators, the contributors, and then the yeah,
those four. So how I built my life, even
more so to this day has been when I interact with someone and
the first thing I am listening to is like, are they looking to
(27:54):
consume or are they looking to collaborate?
Are they looking to compete or are they looking to connect?
Are they looking to. So I'm listening by asking
questions and I believe once we have a blueprint of standards
for our lives, that becomes the,the, the mile marker or the
filtering process on who we givemore access to and who we either
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remove access or even limit access.
And I've had really good conversations with a lot of good
friends and I've, I've had to say to them, I was like, bro, I
love you. But unless we're building
something, unless we're developing something, I don't
have time to just hang out. And there's just like, oh,
really? It's like, yeah, like I want to
(28:39):
build some, let's do something productive.
Yeah, we can, you know, spend time, but it's like, let's let
the foundation of our connectionbe creating or collaborating
something. If that's not it, I don't have
the time and the space to do it.And then it's like, I wish you
well and I love you. So that's always a hard
conversation because we want to please people and we want
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everyone to be on the boat, but not everybody who's on the boat
is going to help the boat move forward.
So I rather have quality than quantity, and that's allowed me
to design better relationships that is fulfilling for me versus
relationships that I'm just surrounded by people and I'm
deprived from real intimacy. Oh, yeah, so true.
(29:22):
You know, I was 18 years old. I, I remember I, I only had two
like close friends in high school.
And I just said I, I didn't knowthe Lord back then either.
And I, I just said to myself, I just want to have more friends.
So maybe the worst intention I could have had, because there
was no prerequisites. It was just Lord, if there's
(29:44):
somebody, not Lord, it was just like, hey, if people like, act
like they want to be my friend, I'll be their friend.
Doesn't matter who they are. So that led to a lot of people
that they weren't bad people. They were lost just like me,
right? So then we ended up doing the
things that lost people do. And that took me down a lot of
paths that I didn't need to go down because I didn't have any
(30:04):
intention behind the, the connections that I was making as
when I got older. And I, you know, I look back on
that. I'm like, oh, shoot, like I
really set myself up because I was so unaware, like for being
intentional about, these are thekind of people I need to be
around. And like you said, looking for,
you're looking for those people that want to collaborate, that
(30:26):
it's not like a competition all the time.
And you just, you know, that, you know, when you're around
good people. And I, I love, I also really, I
really look for when I'm around somebody who I, I like, I
absolutely love being around them.
And I'm also intimidated and I feel like uncomfortable because
they're, you know, they might bea few levels above me.
I'm like, I need to be here more.
(30:47):
Like this is the place I need tobecause it's like it's it's it's
like a healthy discomfort. How do you feel about that?
A healthy discomfort And that I don't mean that in a bad way.
I just mean like this person is challenging me to grow just by
being who they are. Do you put yourself in those
circles? 110% And that's where the
courage comes in, because courage is, I don't have it all
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figured out, but I'm willing to learn.
I'm willing to, I'm willing to look silly in the process.
And a lot of people are a lot ofpeople are in the public prison
of perception. So if someone's a couple of
levels ahead of me, then I don'twant to be around them because I
don't want them to perceive thatI'm not enough.
But if I have a heart set and a mindset that I'm a student or I
(31:34):
just haven't learned it yet or Ihaven't just I haven't failed
enough times. And we perceive the successful
people like, oh man, you made it.
Think about how many times they've had to fail before they
actually made it. So it's like I haven't failed
enough. I haven't had enough skin in the
game. I haven't had enough seasonal
opportunities at bat. Doesn't make me any difference.
(31:55):
So I've been in those situationswhere I've been in rooms where
people are millionaires and I'm sitting there and I'm just like,
it was like, so how's your business going?
I was like, oh, we, we're in thewe just have one comma coming
in. We have a couple of commas and
I'm just like, all right, cool, cool, cool.
I love that I'm not there yet, but we working there.
(32:16):
So it's like, what's your process?
What's your mindset? And I try to learn like the best
practices and how they serve people and how they do it at a
high level while maintaining their close relationship.
So I put myself in those rooms and I love, I love the challenge
of being like, OK, I'm the underdog, but I'm going to get
there. Just give me time.
(32:36):
I'm going to get there. Yeah, and and being transparent
and asking those questions when you find the right people,
especially the the people that like you said who have a couple
commas, but they're willing to sit down and just share with
because most of those people arelike that.
I've met, I have not met very many who were very guarded with
their information. They're usually pretty free.
(32:57):
If you ask a question, they're going to provide you with
guidance. And that is some of the, I mean,
just priceless kind of stuff, the rooms that God can put you
in, but you have to step out 'cause I, I, I think about so
often, how many rooms have I been in my life or people I've
been around in my life where I wasn't paying attention or I was
full of fear. So I didn't ask a question.
(33:19):
I didn't step out. I didn't take the risk of
embarrassing myself in that. Who knows what could have come
from one of those conversations,right?
Who knows what, what, what impact I could have had.
And I don't mean just, I don't mean financially, I just mean
just the wisdom you can get frompeople and the relationships you
can build. It's, it's just, it's
(33:40):
invaluable. And we should be clear on that.
Speaking of clarity, clear on that, on a daily basis, when I
put this episode together, the word drifting did come up.
And I was like, man, drifting isso important because we can
drift and not realize we're drifting, right.
And the difference between drifting and deciding, being a
decision maker, Was there a point in your life where you
(34:02):
were drifting and and how would you identify that?
Yeah. So the drifting for me, it's
it's living by the default and it's doing the things that I've
always seen done because we've always done it.
There's this famous story of a grandma making a Turkey and she
cuts off the, the sides of the legs and then the granddaughter
(34:22):
end up doing it. And then one day she's like, why
are we doing this? Like, well, my great grandma
always on this and they go back in the story and it's just like,
why did you do this? Was like, well, because we
didn't have enough space in the oven.
So we've never questioned thingsbecause we've always seen it and
done it. So for me particularly like when
I just kept on just working fromdoing job to job, like for the
(34:44):
1st 90 days, I'm an amazing employee.
After 90 days, I'm finding all of the deficiencies, the
inefficiencies and how can make things better.
And, and it's interesting because when they would hire me,
especially in sales management roles, it's like we want a
leader. We want someone to be proactive
and then take initiative. And I started finding the
(35:05):
loopholes and then I was like, can we improve?
This was like, no, no, no, no. And I was like, that's why we're
not growing. So for me, it was just like, why
am I doing something that that doesn't bring me joy?
And then I started doing that inmy personal relationships.
I was connected to people just by being connected to people.
(35:27):
And I would take group photos with people and it looks fun on
social media, but I was alone the entire time.
So I was like, this is not real.And so when I started having
those moments that I started to awake or awakened, just like,
no, I don't want to do this justto do this.
If I do this, I want to decide to do this.
(35:49):
I want to be present in doing this.
I want to be intentional in doing this.
And this has to be enriching or it's non negotiable.
And that's cool. It's I'm going to leave it to
each their own. So those were the moments when I
started noticing my relationships, my workplace, my
environments. I was like, this doesn't fulfill
(36:09):
me and this doesn't bring me joy.
Feels like it's more chaos than peaceful.
And that's when I started makinga pivot to deciding what type of
life I want to live and who I want to do that with.
Yeah. And you've got to be real
intentional about it because youcan get really when you start to
drift and you don't catch it, it, it, everything is impacted
(36:32):
by it. And you cannot really
necessarily even predict how faroff course you're gonna go.
I always think of the space shuttle like when they, a space
shuttle's going to the moon or wherever it's going, it's a
constant. It's like every microsecond
there's a recorrection. And so you think about that.
That's like our life, like if we're not paying attention.
So if that space shuttle would micro correct and not recorrect
(36:56):
for like 1, you know, thousandthof a second, that ship that,
that that space shuttle could end up like hundreds of miles
off its course because it needs those micro corrections.
We need those micro corrections in our life to have that
awareness and to ask God to giveus that clarity, to give us that
awareness to keep us focused. That's really, really good.
(37:17):
Let's talk about habits for a minute.
We're coming to the end here. And I think habits are so
important. What what habits for you
reinforce clarity versus confusion, say on on a daily
basis? Things we can build in?
So first and foremost is your body.
I'm moving your body from me specifically.
I exercise and I do all sorts ofexercise, yoga, I'm a box
(37:40):
amateur fighter and and I run. So that helps release a lot of
the things that my body stores. And then the next steps I do
like habit wise is I do a lot ofrecovery.
So I do cold plunges, cryotherapy, red light, so that
gets my body to be in a more relaxed state so I can start
(38:01):
thinking more clearly. And then the more other physical
things I do is journaling, praying, spending time with God.
Like there's no better clarity than that.
That's my my inspiration. And then habits is having
conversations with people that enriches me and reading and
(38:21):
listening to different content that I can consume that growth.
So if I can focus on who are my people?
How am I moving forward in my mypurpose and how am I moving my
body each day? Those are the habits that
continue, that allows me to continue, stay in alignment and
(38:41):
and build clarity from each of those interactions and moments.
Yeah, so good. It's, it's so the things, the
good things, the things of God are simple, right?
They might not be easy all the time, right, to find the
motivation to do the thing, but it's simple.
The concept is always right there in front of our face.
I want to encourage people to check out what you're doing so
(39:03):
you can take your clarity assessment.
Go to davidbprosper.com. There's a blue button there.
It says your clarity score. Click that button to take that
clarity score. What can they expect from that?
How would you want them to reachout to you if they want to
connect with you? Oh, that's awesome.
So once you connect with, once you complete your assessment,
(39:24):
it's 46 questions and it's in six different area, areas of
your life, spiritually, financially, personally,
professionally, based off how you respond to it, you're going
to get a clarity score of like where you're at and where your
capacity is AT. And then it's going to create a
30 day blueprint for you as far as like what are your next steps
in the next 30 days that you canstart working on?
(39:46):
And then if you want to take it a step further, there's a link
after you get your score and your results, you'll click that
link and it will connect to my calendar where you can set up a
call where we have a 30 day, a 30 minute free, no fee blueprint
call. And we talked through things,
see if it's a good fit and if it's a good fit, we'll talk
about what long term coaching looks like.
(40:07):
Very cool. I love that.
David B prosper.com click the blue button for your clarity
score. Try that out today.
Check it out. And at the end of these
episodes, I like to ask a question just, you know, say we
never speak again. You never somebody's watching,
listening, they never hear from you ever again.
And you wanted to leave them with a lasting message.
(40:29):
What message would you leave them with?
Progress looks differently everyday and everyday Find
clarity everyday make progress. Progress looks.
Progress looks differently everyday.
Everyday find clarity. Everyday make progress.
(40:52):
Yeah, you've got to refocus. And like you said, getting in
the Word, spending time with God, that and that always brings
clarity. That's so good.
I love that amazing dude. Great to meet you.
Great to have you on here. Thank you.
Another Unstuck story, another true testimony of breakthrough.
Until next time. This has been the Unstuck
movement.
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