EP 71: How Micronutrients Rewire Your Brain with David Stephen, VP of Truehope

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
There's four main classes of nutrients that do the
same thing for our bodies.
And that's vitamins, minerals,amino acids, and omega-fatty
acids.
And I can never get that fingerto go down by itself.
They all work synergisticallytogether.
And if you don't have them,communication breaks down.
We all know what happens.
When communication breaks downin a household, you end up with
dysfunction, right?
And eventually maybe thedissolution of that family,

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right?
Couples.
Communication breaks down, done.
Communication stops in the body,done.
You're ending up with disease.

SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
Welcome to the upside of bipolar.
I am your host, MichelleReidinger, and I'm going to have
a phenomenal guest today.
We've actually had him as aguest before, but I'm so excited
to have him back.
I have uh David Stefan, who overthe past 22 years has worked
extensively with True Hope, anorganization on a mission to
help individuals overcome mentalillness through the use of

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groundbreaking micronutrientsolutions.
During this time, he has beeninvolved in discoveries that
have not only providedsignificant transformation in
thousands of lives, but havealso been scientifically
validated in dozens ofindependent studies from
universities around the world.
As such, David feels it aprivilege and a duty to share

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the knowledge that not onlychanged his life, but has
allowed for well over 100,000others to transform their lives
as well.
Thank you so much for being onthe podcast today, David.
I'm so excited for thisconversation.

SPEAKER_02 (01:44):
Well, thank you so much for having me back on
again, Michelle.
It's always a pleasure to behere.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Just for my audience, this is the first of
three episodes we're going torecord together because when I
had David on, and I think it'sbeen a couple of years actually
since I had you on last time.
It was the first time that I hadgone over an hour.
I think most of my episodes upto that point had been maybe 35,
40 minutes.
And I didn't even realize howlong we've been going until all

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of a sudden I looked at my clockand I'm like, oh my gosh, it's
been over an hour.
We need to stop.
Like, this is going on too long.
And so I we talked, and I'mreally excited for our
conversation today because oneof the things that I think is so
important for people tounderstand is how true hope got
started in the first place.
I think that the foundation ofTrue Hope, the reason why it

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started, is very instructive inhow the discovery was made that
micronutrients actually couldhelp benefit people who are
struggling with severe mentalhealth conditions.
But also talking about the storyand how that evolution has come
to provide such a powerfultreatment that is enabling

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people to get off medications tohelp heal their brains and to
resolve symptoms that that wethought were incurable.
So can we start with this thetrue hope story?

SPEAKER_02 (03:01):
All right.
You want me to start at thebeginning, I suppose.

SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
Let's begin at the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 (03:05):
All right.
Yeah, you know, the story ofTrue Hope is is really quite a
phenomenal story.
It's had numerous documentariesand films produced on it.
And the reason being is that somany people can relate to it.
And it's uh it's a story ofovercoming, really overcoming
that which was deemed to be, youknow, incapable of being
overcome.
We're told that mental illness,you know, there's no cure for

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it.
There's nothing that we canreally do other than you know
provide lifelong treatments ofdrugs that you know have to
switch from one to another toanother.
And this is what people havebeen told in Western
civilization for decades now,and not given any sense of hope.
And yet the story of true hopeis exactly that.
It's a story that provides realauthentic hope that has really

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gone on to bless hundreds ofthousands of people across the
world at this point in time.
And so it really all began withmy own family going back into
the 70s when my grandfather tookhis own life, coming from a
history of mental illnesshimself.
I can see it in my cousins, mysecond cousins, my aunts.
You know, it's it is justpervasive on my mother's side,

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mental illness.
And my father my grandfatherended up taking his own life
five years before I was born.
Well, my mother, starting about1983, began to really have a lot
more severe bipolar disorderthan she'd otherwise had, and
struggled, really had, you know,ups and downs and ups and downs.

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And, you know, she she wastrying all sorts of stuff.
You know, back in the 80s, Ithink everybody is aware of
Shackly.
Uh, I remember, I can stillremember distinctly the taste of
that gritty protein.
I mean, I'm just glad proteindoesn't taste like it did then.
Yeah.
And so, you know, she was doingall sorts of stuff for her
health, and she was stillstruggling with this bipolar

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disorder.
And at times it was worse thannot.
And so finally, by um January of1994, she went to the doctor to
get help.
It had gotten that bad.
We were, we had just moved aboutsix months previous.
Um, my father had sold a veryprominent business.

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Unfortunately, like, you know,we had a very large family, and
my my parents didn't managetheir money like really
awesomely.
So it's not like there was abig, you know, nest egg of you
know, money left for us to beable to have a buffer during
that move.
My father sold the prominentbusiness and started new, and
things weren't going as great ashoped.

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So we were strugglingfinancially.
And um, there's multiple factorsall coming together at once that
made it a little bit worse forher.
So she went to the doctor to getthe help that she was looking
for so that she couldultimately, you know, be the
mother that she needed to be.
There were still seven childrenliving under the roof.
Two had moved out at that pointin time.
And so she went and she got aprescription for Prozac, was

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told that it was going to helpher.
And within three weeks, she hadtaken her life.
And unfortunately, um what didtake place and still does take
place in relation to the drugapproval model that's being
applied is that it's a veryexpensive and onerous process

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for pharmaceutical companies toget approval for their drugs.
And part of the reason is thatthey have to provide studies,
good studies that will highlightthe benefit.
And oftentimes they'll go and doabout two or three times the
amount of studies as what'srequired.
And they'll throw out the badstudies that didn't give them

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the results they were lookingfor, and they'll take the
studies that would allow for theFDA to approve these drugs or
Health Canada here in Canada.
And so we would discover adecade later in the early 2000s
when the evidence would surfacethat Prozac, alongside all other
SSRI medications, are known forthe fact that they will increase

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your risk of suicide by twotimes.
So you better off take a sugarpill because the therapeutic um
effect is so close in theplacebo versus the actual SSRI
antidepressant, but yet the SSRantidepressant is providing a
host of side effects, includingincreased risk of suicide.

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Now, in some instances, giventhe conditions that somebody may
be in, the Prozac can actuallyincrease her risk of suicide by
eight, twelve times.
And that evidence wassuppressed.
And so unfortunately, my motherbecame a statistic at that point
in time where she was one of theones that didn't respond proper
or the way that she had hoped tothe Prozac.

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And so that was really kind ofthe beginning, was the traumas
that our family had suffered.
Incredible traumas thatunfortunately way too many
people can relate to.
I mean, our family's not specialin any way, shape, or form.
We we are struggling with thesame severe illnesses that many
families have across Westerncivilization.
And so my father was in thissituation where it wasn't just

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he had lost his wife of 22years.
He was seeing how his childrenwere following in the same
footsteps as their mother andtheir grandfather.
And my brother, just older thanme, was suicidal, homicidal.
He was on a large dose oflithium.
He didn't like the way it madehim felt.
And so compliance was an issue.

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But when they were able to getinto him, he just felt like
garbage.
And so that's why the compliancewas an issue.
Here it was supposed to bemaking him feel good, and yet he
was feeling like garbage, butyet it was reducing some of the
severe symptoms of the bipolardisorder that he had been
diagnosed with.
My sister, Autumn, she's about10 years older than me.

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So at this point in time, she'sin her early 20s.
She is suicidal, homicidal, inand out of the psych wards on a
very regular basis.
And when she wasn't in the psychwards, she had to be on 24-hour
supervision because of the riskthat she was to herself and her
three-year-old son, because shewould actually obsess about
killing herself and herthree-year-old son, thinking
that that was somehowappropriate.
Fortunately, she had a fantastichusband, still does, and they're

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still married to this day, buthad a fantastic husband that was
willing to do anything it tookto look out for her, to watch
over her, even though they'donly been married at this point
in time for about three and ahalf, four years.
And so, you know, um, it wasjust a real, real terrible thing
that my father was observing inrelation to our family, and he

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saw the path that his childrenwere going down and that the
medications weren't working.
Autumn was on a cocktail of fivemedications: Haldol, Rivitrol,
Adavan, cogentin, andrespiradol.
And at best, she was left in asedated state.
And at worst, she was in apsychotic state.
And that's when she, you know,that's why there was a revolving
door with her in the psychpsychiatric institutions that

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she was in and out on a regularbasis.
And so my father's looking atthis and he's seeing where
they're going, and he's notwilling to lose any more family
members, and he's looking at,you know, the their future,
right?
He's looking at the all of ourfutures, but really it's two of
my siblings that have it theworst that made the rest of us
in comparison look good, butnobody was doing well.

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Nobody was doing well, not withthe the prevalence of mental
illness in our family, and notwith the trauma that we had just
suffered with the loss of mymother.
And so my father exhaustseverything available to him in
the medical system becausethat's where his hope was.
And so he goes and he eventuallyends up meeting with the head
psychiatrist out of theFoothills Hospital in Calgary,

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Alberta, and has a sit-down withher.
This is early 1995, and he'stelling her about how bad it is
at home, how Joe is soincredibly violent, my my
brother just older than me, andhow if things didn't change,
like he'd have to be in thepsych ward as well.
And she just at one point intime just said, you know, Mr.

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Stefan, spare me the details.
I I work with thousands ofclients a year.
This isn't gonna do you anygood, it's not gonna do me any
good.
You know, he has the bestmedications available to him.
This is what we're working with.
This is as good as it's gonnaget.
And he wasn't willing to acceptthat as an answer.
So she eventually just said, youknow, can you escort your wife
and son out the door?
Now, at this point in time, myfather had been remarried, and
so they were all sitting in thein this office together.

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Joe's there, my stepmom's there,and my dad's there.
And she, the psychiatrist says,Please escort, you know, your
son and and wife out the door.
And so he did.
And then she had a real straightconversation with him, if you
will, where she just said, Mr.
Stefan, you need a realitycheck.
This is as good as it's gonnaget.
So she went to her bookshelf andpulled off the DSM 4 and read

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that it was a recurrent disorderand said, Mr.
Stefan, do you know do you knowwhat that means?
And she he said, No.
It means that these disorders donot go away and oftentimes they
get worse.
You have the best of medicationsavailable to you right now.
This is as good as it's gonnaget, and you need to face the
reality that someday you mayhave to plan more funerals.
My father said it's like ashotgun going off in his ears.

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It was the last thing that he'dgone there to hear because he
was meeting with her to get abetter sense, a better grasp on
this and better medications forJoe.
Then hopefully that wouldtranslate over to better
medications for Autumn as well.
And he realized, I mean, anyhope that he had had was
shattered, but he didn't knowwhere else to turn now.

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So this is early 1995.
So in his, you know, workings insmall rural southern Alberta,
small town.
No, he's a property manager over26 large buildings.
He's meeting with a lot ofpeople, he's talking with a lot
of people in the community,asking what they knew about
mental illness.
He heard a lot of stories, neveronce did he hear a story of
somebody recovering, though.

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But he a lot of people hadthings to offer, saying, Hey,
well, have you tried maybe, youknow, the magnetic therapy or
have you tried Tahiti Noni juiceis really good.
It feeds the body, you know, allthis stuff, all great things.
And so there was all sorts ofstuff coming through our house.
I remember the freezer, I don'tknow where my dad got it.
I'll have to ask him at somepoint in time and see if he
recalls.
But our freezer ended up likewith probably about 20 or 30

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bottles of flax oil.
So I'm not sure where he got theflax oil from, but so omega-3
fatty acids, which are known tohelp um alleviate some of the
symptoms of things like at leastADHD, because it's good
nutrition.
But all of these things werebeing tried on Joe and nothing
was really working.
And so then my father just, youknow, by mid-1995 comes this

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realization that there was noknown answer for mental illness.
So he began in desperation tojust spend a lot of time in
fasting and prayer and justseeking for some divine
inspiration that would lead toultimately a restoration for our
family.
And nothing miraculous happenedovernight.
My father persisted in this.
He lost, you know, a fair bit ofweight that summer just due to

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the amount of fasting that hewas doing, but he was desperate,
like really desperate.
And something really interestinghappened.
Now, bits and pieces ofinformation would come into his
life.
I remember it was that same yearthat somebody gave him the tape
set called Dead Doctors Don'tLie.
It's a really fascinating tapeset.
It's really a classic, if youwill.

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And it was a doctor writing thisbook, but it was put onto the
tapes to listen to.
And I remember, you know, youknow, 12 years old.
I'm sitting here listening tothis, 12, 13 years old, and I'm
having to listen to these tapesas he's driving down the road
because he's so enthralled bythem.
For a 12, 13-year-old, you'renot, right?

unknown (14:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:46):
Albeit the value has applied because I think I
retained some of the informationand now it applies in my line of
work.
But at the time I saw no valuein it.
So stuff like that was cominginto his life that would
ultimately really pave the wayfor what he was going to hear in
November of 1995, when as aproperty manager over 26 large
buildings down in southernAlberta, he's in the hallway of

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one of these buildings one dayand he's talking with a
colleague about replacingcarpets.
And he's overcome with thisimpression that he needs to tell
his colleague about what'shappening at home.
So he does.
And uh, you know, it would bedeemed unprofessional,
irrelevant.
I mean, they're talking aboutimprovements to the building,
and yet all of a sudden, now mydad, who's overseeing all of

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these operations, is confidingin, you know, this individual
who's going to be assisting inthe process of those
restorations to the building.
And uh, you know, it was aninteresting, very interesting
dialogue that they end uphaving.
Uh, because it the colleaguethat he had confided in, his
name is David Hardy, and he'she's fairly well known, just

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like my father is now.
Unfortunately, he passed awayabout eight years ago, but you
know, he le he left a mark onsociety that won't be so easily
forgotten.
And it all began with this.
He said, You know, Tony, that'smy father, by the way.
I've never dealt with mentalillness.
I've got a large family likeyours of interest that's

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actually larger.
I believe it was 13 kids thatthey had.
And he said, you know, they'reall well, they're fine.
I've never had to deal withmental illness.
My wife, she's fine.
So I can't relate to you in thatway.
However, I spent over 20 yearsformulating feed for hogs across
the western states and and uhand western Canada for hogs

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that, you know, oftentimes wouldend up with a condition called
ear and tail biting syndrome,where these hogs would become
irritable with each other,they'd bite chunks of their ears
and tails off each other, and ifyou didn't pen them away from
each other, they could actuallyend up killing each other.
Now, if you had that type ofbehavior in a human, it would
definitely be found withinwhat's now known as the DSM V,

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the Diagnostics StatisticalManual.
And so he says, you know, welearned in the animal feed
industry that you couldcompletely eradicate that
condition simply by putting theproper nutrition into their
feed.
Now, at this point in time, myfather had already tried a bunch
of stuff.
You know, there was the TahitiShinoni juice, the magnetic
therapy, the flax oil, uh, thestuff that Joe still refers to

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as rust water.
I don't even know what that was,but it was, I'm sure it was rich
in some minerals.
And my father had already triedall this stuff and to no avail.
And so now he hears this.
And you'd think that the initialresponse would actually be
somewhat dismissive for myfather, like, we've tried that
type of stuff, right?
We've tried nutrition.
But in that moment, my fatherhad this profound spiritual

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confirmation that he says justwent from his head to his toes,
and he knew it was the answer.
Now, this was significantlyimportant in relation to the
discovery that would be madethat would then go on to be
scientifically validated, thatwould prove that vitamin and
mineral supplementation when inthe proper form and the proper
balances would actually be themost significant treatment in

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relation to alleviating thesymptoms or correcting mental
health conditions.
And so, with that, that youknow, spiritual confirmation my
father just received, him andDavid Hardy went down to a
health food store and theygrabbed all of these products in
November of 1995 and put themon, put Joe onto taking these

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nutritional supplements.
And it didn't work.
And so they tried some more andit didn't work.
Now, my father would have givenup at this point in time,
probably saying, Well, there'sone more thing to check off,
saying vitamin mineralsupplementation, rust water,
tahitianoni juice, magnetictherapy, flax oil.
It doesn't work.
So, because of that spiritualconfirmation he received, he

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didn't give up so easily.
And by January 18th of 1996,four products arrived from the
from the US side that were alittle bit different in nature.
The ingredients were the same,but what was happening to the
minerals was two things.
One, the minerals were being putinto a proper balance in some of
the supplements.
And that's crucial.

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And we had learned that uh aboutthat balance and how necessary
that is in relation to uh makingcorrections in the body rather
than you know upsetting thecrucial balances in the body and
actually disrupting everything,right?
Creating disease.
And the second thing is that theminerals were being processed in
such a way that they wereactually being made bioavailable

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that the body could actuallyabsorb them, that they could be
crossed the intestinal wall,that they could be assimilated
into the bloodstream, that theycould then work on the cellular
level.
And so what those four productsconsisted of is really just a
colloidal mineral supplement, amultivitamin mineral supplement
that was chelated, a calcium,magnesium, phosphorus
supplement.
Once again, talking aboutbalance, calcium, magnesium,

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phosphorus, the three have toreally be working in synergy
together.
And if you're buying um a CalMegsupplement out there for bone
health and it doesn't havephosphorus, the saying in the
agricultural industry wascalcium and magnesium without
phosphorus is preposterous.
And that was something thatDavid Hardy really came to the
table with, right?
Was that understanding already?
And so, and then grapeseedextract, which was helpful in

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getting a lot of these nutrientsto go to the brain.
So these four products were putinto use, and within five days,
Joe said it's like a fog lifted,and he could now see what was
right and wrong.
Boom.
That's huge.
We're talking aboutself-awareness now, because
before he had been engaging inall of this incredibly
destructive behavior, and yet itwas everyone else was the

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problem.
And now he's looking at himselfand saying, Whoa, that's not
working.
That behavior isn't serving mevery well.
It's not serving those aroundme.
And his behavior began to changejust because of the
self-awareness.
After about 30 days, he wouldhave no longer received a
diagnosis for bipolar disorder.
He was now operating in thenormal range.
So normal good days, normal baddays, but not the high highs,

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the manic highs going intopsychosis and not the low lows
and of depression and just beingjust dark, sullen.
That was gone.
And as time went on, I mean, 30days wasn't where everything it
maxed out.
As time went on, he got more andmore and more stable, where
basically everything tightenedup, that his his good days, his

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high days were less manic, lessmanic, and his depressive days
were less depressed, depressed,to the point that it finally
came into a very consistentday-by-day, stable life, if you
will.
But within 30 days, significantimprovements have been made.
Now, my father's looking at thisand saying, Wow.
Like wouldn't answer to prayer.

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Now, Autumn, though, she'sliving five hours north of us.
She was not willing whatsoeverto do this.
My dad phoned her up excited,and she's she just said, Dad,
no, no.
My psychiatrist said, if I rockthe boat, that I'll die.
And so she was probably thinkingto herself that at that point in
time my dad was in need of somepsychiatric help himself, you

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know, being an engineer bytrade, right?
That that's his education.
He's an engineer and it like a aboiler room engineer at that.
And so he's all of a sudden comeup with this solution that all
of these specialists don't have,that the whole medical system

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doesn't have, right?
Like it just seemed sooutlandish.
And it wouldn't be until 30 dayslater that my sister needing to
be on 24-hour supervision, herhusband working a night shift at
a factory for a week, that sheneeded somebody to watch out for
her.

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And so my brother-in-law drivesher down to Red Deer.
My fat my father goes to RedDeer, they rendezvous there, and
uh my father takes my sisterAutumn and brings her down south
to where we're living.
Well, a day and a half into herstay, she went severely
suicidal, and my father justsaid, No, we're not doing this.

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I have an answer.
It worked for Joe.
Now at this point in time, Joeis 30 days into it, and he is
doing fantastic.
Like it's a it's a new Joe.
And not just in his behavior,but people are able to pick up
on it just in how he presentedhimself.
His countenance had justchanged.
And so it it's so tangible thechanges that are taking place in

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Joe at this point in time.
So my father's saying, Lo, look,we got this, you're gonna do
this.
And so, you know, he he says tobe politically correct, he
didn't force her to take thesupplements, he just merely
compelled her to take thesupplements.
Either way, I'm sure there'ssome legality issues there, but
in essence, she was a mentalhealth patient under his care

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and she was suicidal.
So I I'm not sure where the thelegal boundaries would uh would
fall on that one.
But um she started taking thesupplements or was being kind of
forced to do so.
And when her husband found outabout what was happening, five
hours south of him, it's just areal good thing that there was
that distance because he wouldhave come in and intervened and

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he would have stopped theprocess, and it may have been
more than just words between himand my dad, I don't know.
Well, five days later my fatherdrives Autumn back to Red Deer.
Her husband Dana drives downfrom Edmonton and they
rendezvous there, and Dana isnot happy.

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But my father just says, Look,why don't you just go have a
conversation with her?
See how she's doing.
Because at that point in time,there'd already been significant
changes.
Now I'm not saying by any meansthat she would have been deemed
to be well, not even close, noteven close, but she was no

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longer hallucinating, seeingthings, which was a problem for
her because when she'd go into abathroom, there's mirrors, and
she would see things in themirrors, which prevented her
from taking care of her ownhygiene.
She avoided those places, andshe would cover up any
reflective glass or mirrorsbecause of what she would see in
it.
And now she's taking care ofherself, she's taking care of

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her hygiene, and she's startingto have appropriate
conversations, rationalconversations.
She now has a sense of logicthat she didn't have before.
So Dana and Autumn sit down inthe car, they have a
conversation.
Dana comes back to my dad andsays, That's the best
conversation I've ever had withher.

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Here he's seeing who his wifecan actually be.
And so they continued on withit.
And within 45 days, they had heroff of all five medications.
And we that's when we learnedthat we had to develop a support
system to help people come offthese medications.
Now, it wasn't that one instancebecause at that point in time
there was actually no intentionof making this into a business

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at all.
My father had a good job, hisprayers had been answered, his
family was receiving therestoration that he had been so
desperately pleading for,dynamics in the relationships
were changing, especially forAutumn and Dana.
Dana now had to view Autumn as,you know, an equal partner in
the marriage that was capable oftaking care of herself rather
than being a care patient.

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And so there were major shiftsthat had to take place there.
But it was just a beautifulthing because my father's
prayers had been answered.
Now, in relation to how truecame into this, so this is early
1996.
Well, word starts to spread.
People start asking my fatherquestions.
We lived in a community of 3,500people, and almost everybody

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knew who Joe was because he was,you know, he's either out
vandalizing your property,wrecking stuff on weapons
charges with the RCMP.
It was just persistent.
In fact, he was basically thenext schoolyard shooting waiting
to happen, in and out of theprincipal's office on a regular
basis.
My father was accustomed tophone calls coming from the
school in relation to Joe'sconduct.

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Well, all of a sudden, peopleare asking questions saying,
What have you done with Joe?
He's a completely differentperson.
And now phone calls start toroll in from the school, the
junior high school, saying, Hey,no issue with your son Joe, but
hey, we have this otherindividual here in the office
right now, and you know, heseems to have similar issues to
Joe.
Do you think that uh that Icould put you in touch with his

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parents and you could work withthem?
Because they had seen thetransformation in Joe.
It was so hopeful for so manypeople.
It was actually really quitetearing in the in the community
because the doctors were nothappy about it because it went
against their paradigm.
Here they had been, you know,educated for seven plus years,
indoctrinated in relation to howto deal with mental illness,

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being told over and over thatyou cannot correct mental
illness, but you can treat itwith these medications and it'll
reduce some of the symptoms.
And here's how you manage yourpatients.
But never are you going to get apatient off of the medication
and they're going to do well andthat they're going to be able to
go live a normal life.
But yeah, Joe was a walkingcontradiction to that.

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And then a bunch of other peoplestarted to become walking
contradictions to that.
And then a lady just a blockdown from us, who almost nobody
knew was even living therebecause all you would see is her
elderly husband.
He would go to church, you hewould be in the community, but
you didn't even know that he hada wife because you never saw her
with him.
And the reason being is she wassuffering with schizophrenia and

(28:33):
extremely agoraphobic.
So she never left her house.
All of a sudden, she's well andshe's walking around the
neighborhood, conversating withpeople, being social, showing up
at church.
So, you know, we saw theseextreme examples of individuals
getting well on thesesupplements that we had no idea
would work.
My father would get the questionsaying, Do you think that this

(28:54):
would work for my my wife withdepression or my son with ADHD?
Or, or obviously my, you know,my wife with schizophrenia and
agoraphobia.
Do you think it'd work for that?
And my father would just say, Idon't know.
It worked for my son withbipolar disorder.
It wouldn't hurt to try.
It's just nutrition.
And it did work.
And so it began to spread likewildfire.
And that's when we got into thewhole process of looking at it

(29:16):
from a scientific perspective.
My father and David Hardy werelooking at this saying, wow,
this is clearly a medicalbreakthrough.
Think of all the people that canbe blessed.
We need to get this into thehands of doctors.
And so they attempted to dothat.
And so they they really poundedon the doors of academia.
They ended up going first to theCanadian Center for Behavioral
Neuroscience, which it was onlya 45-minute drive from where we

(29:38):
were living.
And it was it was headed up byuh a world renowned
neuroscientist by the name ofDr.
Brian Kolb.
Uh, reason why he knows or whathe was renowned is because of
the fact that he discovered thatbrain cell regeneration could
take place in rats after theyhad literally removed brain
material, they could actuallyincite some regrowth.

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So he disproved the old.
Theory that when you have braindamage, the damage is done.
So he becomes a world-renownedneuroscientist and and of
interest, how he was able togenerate the regrowth was
through the use of 22 vitaminsand minerals, by the way.
So this and the reason why Ibring that up is you know, part
of the the whole discovery oftrue hope, it'll circle back to

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to a follow-up study thatactually took place on rat
brains and complete regrowththat occurred as well as a
complete recovery in cognitionafter having large portions of
their brains removed and thenputting them onto the true hope
supplements.
But I digressed for a momentthere.
But they went and that that wasthe beginning, that was the
opening into the doors ofacademia, where we would begin

(30:43):
to have our findings validatedthrough proper scientific
studies.
And the first study would occurout of the University of
Calgary.
And now, before we get too far,we're still working with the
four products.
The study showed significantresults.
But then halfway throughout thestudy, people began to relapse

(31:04):
and their symptoms werereturning.
And we were left looking thenafter this, the University of
Calgary did an analysis on thefour different products.
They found that the colloidalmineral supplement varied in its
levels of minerals depending onthe batch.
So from one batch to the next,you had inconsistencies.
You can't study that.
You cannot study a variablebecause you're obviously going

(31:24):
to get varying results from it.
So that's not scientificallysound.
So the study was shut down oncewe were fully into that batch
and we were left looking forreplacement for those within our
community and within our ownhome.
And that's actually how, afterabout a year of, you know, hit
and miss, kind of more failuresthan not in relation to trying
to replace that colloidalmineral supplement, that my

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father and David Hardydetermined that they needed to
create their own all-in-onesupplement that would generate
the same results at minimum andreally provide people with the
healing that they needed andalso make it more economically
viable at the same time byputting it all into one.
And so they set up to do that.
And it was no small venture.

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And they would end up teaming upwith, at the time, a fantastic
nutraceutical company that hadwhat was arguably the best
processes at that time forchelating minerals.
And so they would end up doingthe chelation of our minerals
for us.
And my father and David Hardywould put together the 36
ingredient formula, and theylaunched it and it worked.

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And people were ecstatic aboutit.
And they would have had to havebeen ecstatic about it,
otherwise, it would have gonenowhere.
And here's the reason being isthat right off the bat, with the
first launch of the product,well-balanced minerals, 16
minerals in the proper balance,chelated every one of them.
Right.
So they're, and that means beingbound to an organic molecule
because we don't absorb rockform mineral.

(32:50):
You can't just go, you know, andgrab a good-looking rock, right,
that has all sorts of colors init, which is saying that you
have various minerals in there.
And you can't just go grind itup and then be like, hey, here,
here, sprinkle a teaspoon overyour food here, right?
First of all, it'd be way toomuch.
Second of all, you wouldn'tabsorb a whole lot of it.
So we don't absorb rock formmineral.

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What actually happens in natureis that you have a natural
breakdown of mineral in healthysoil, and you have a conversion
of it into an organic form thatthe plant can then uptake, and
then you eat the plant, andthat's the delivery system for
minerals and vitamins into yourbody that is in the proper form
and you're going to thrive.
But we have an issue.

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The soil's been destroyed, it'sbeen depleted of minerals, and
it's been sterilized throughsynthetic herbicides,
pesticides, and fungicides.
So no longer do you have thatconversion taking place.
And even though you're sittingat about 50% or just under of
the mineral content that wasonce there, you don't have a 50%
uptake.
So you're actually seeing abouta um about a one-fifth to

(33:52):
one-sixth uptake in mineralsinto plants today compared to
what your great-grandparentswould have had accessible to
them in the same plant.
So if you're eating a reallyhealthy meal, maybe it's a
really colorful meal, you had agreat spinach salad that has all
sorts of you know vegetables inthere, you know, you have to eat
about five to six times theamount as your
great-grandparents did to getthe same nutrient value out of

(34:12):
that based on modern farmingmethods today and what we've
done to the soil.
So hence the need forsupplementation, the unfortunate
need, by the way, because I'd Iwould rather just eat healthy.
I'd rather just eat healthy, andI'd rather just be educating
people on eating healthy, justavoid boxed food, avoid
processed food, and you'llyou'll thrive in life.
That would be way nicer thansaying, no, you need to

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supplement.
You need to get more vitaminsand minerals than what you're
getting out of your food becauseit's not there even when you're
making healthy choices.
That's how the the M Power Pluswas first produced was over the
failure in during the study timein the University of Calgary
with the four products.
It worked and then it didn'twork because the batch changed,
the levels of minerals changed.

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And so this is this is where weend up with a bit of a twist in
the story because, you know,it's looking hopeful for my dad
and David Hardy in relation totheir dreams coming about in
getting this into the hands ofdoctors.
There was still no concept ofmaking this into a business that
would then become a familybusiness where their children

(35:16):
would largely work for thatbusiness and all that.
That wasn't the concept at all.
The concept, the the model thatthey were moving forward with
was get this into the hands ofdoctors so that everybody has
equal and easy access to thesesupplements rather than doing
medications that don't work,right?
Or at best work to a degree fora time, but then you have all

(35:41):
the side effects, right?
Short term and long term.
And so they end up coming upwith their own all-in-one
supplement and it's gettingstudied and it's looking
fantastic, and everyone'sexcited, and the researchers are
so excited that they presenttheir preliminary results, and
it ends up on nationaltelevision.
So now it's like, wow, this isamazing.

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Look at this, you know, thisgodsend, really, right?
Like, look, like it's an answerto prayers.
It saved our family, and it'snow going on to save a lot of
other families.
And at this point in time, we'renow four years into this, right?
Four and a half years into it,after the when the first study's
getting published.
And by that point in time, likethere's thousands and thousands

(36:23):
of people across the world,mainly in the US and Canada, but
across the world at this pointin time, that are receiving that
help.
And and so it really, everythingjust looks fantastic, like it's
going to make it into the handsof doctors.
It's now being scientificallyvalidated, over three times more
effective than antidepressantswithout the side effects.
Well, the day after the firstnews clip aired on it across

(36:47):
Canada, national television,Health Canada came in and they
informed my father that he wasin contravention of section 3-1
and 3-2 of the Food and DrugsAct.
And in order to help people withbipolar disorder, he required a
drug identification number forthis multivitamin supplement
that was being used to helppeople with bipolar.

(37:08):
So my father said, Oh, I had noidea, right?
How do I get one?
And he would attempt for abouttwo years to work with Health
Canada to finally come to therealization that they had no
intention of granting him a drugidentification number.
And in fact, the very regulationset up to qualify for a drug

(37:29):
identification number wasimpossible to meet the
requirements with a 36ingredient multivitamin
supplement.
The protocols were establishedfor one and two ingredient
pharmaceutical drugs.
So there was no way he couldmeet the criteria.
So the only option was to getwhat was called a ministerial
exemption where the Minister ofHealth would then provide an

(37:51):
exemption saying, here's yourdrug identification number.
We recognize that there's no waythat you can pass the testing
that's designed for a drug modelwith a 36 ingredient broad
spectrum micronutrientsupplement.
So here, it's helping people,it's being scientifically
validated, let's do this.
No, they refused to give it andinstead they came in and shut
down any further studies fromtaking place, the same studies

(38:13):
that you'd actually need toqualify for the drug
identification number.
So on one end, they're sayingyou need a DIN number.
And on the other end, they'rethey're removing the ability for
us to even have a hope ofgetting a DIN number by going,
and at this point in time, therewas a$544,000 double-blind
placebo control trial study thatwas just beginning to take

(38:36):
place.
And it was actually funded bythe Alberta government, and
Health Canada came in and shutit down, preventing further
scientific validation of thesesupplements in the treatment or
correction of mental healthconditions.
And so that would become a10-year battle with Health
Canada, where it wouldeventually lead to a full-on

(39:01):
gun-drawn raid on ourheadquarters after my father
just said, you know what, Idon't need the permission of
some bureaucrats in Ottawa tohelp other families that have
been helped.
So we're moving forward withthis.
And so he just continued toignore Health Canada after he
realized that they had anagenda.
Actually, in fact, they reallysolidified that they had an
agenda when they stated to him,you know, Mr.
Stefan, if you want to continuedoing what you're doing, perhaps

(39:23):
you want to move south of theborder.
Right?
And I actually remember thosedays because we were looking at
moving to Utah at that time, touh Alpine is where my father was
looking at.
And it looked, I mean, I wastelling my friends, hey guys,
probably moving in in the nexttwo months, my family, right?
Um there's a level ofexcitement, a level of
trepidation around it, concern,you know, I had established

(39:44):
friends, but uh, you know, thethe concept of going to Alpine,
living in in uh right inmountain territory and all that,
based on on what my activitylevel was with snowboarding and
all that, I was there was alevel of excitement I can I can
make it happen.
That that's how serious it wasthat my father was going to do
that.
But then him and David Hardysaid, you know what?
No, no, we're not doing that.

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We're not abandoning the missionhere in Canada.
Who is the government to tell uswhether or not we can provide an
answer to prayer that came fromGod, going back to nature,
correcting our bodies the waythat they're supposed to be,
giving our bodies what they weresupposed to be getting all
along.
Who is the government to deny usfrom being able to do that?

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So that's when my father juststarted boldly rejecting their
cease and desist orders and allthat.
And that's when finally theycame in, they raided us, they
they cut it off at the border,put 3,000 Canadians in a major
crisis, caused suicides,unfortunately, and that would
come out later on under oath.
I was in uh court hearingsbecause then they would charge
us criminally and we would endup in the courts and we'd end up

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beating them when it was proventhat our products did what we
claimed they were doing, becauseHealth Canada attempted to shut
down all the studies, but theycould only have jurisdiction
within Canada.
Fortunately, there wereresearchers in the US,
researchers like Dr.
Charles Popper, who's also aworld-renowned
psychopharmacologist andpsychiatrist out of Harvard
University.
And the reason why he'sworld-renowned, and you know, I

(41:12):
just want to be clear here,because there's a lot of
world-renowned people that arepopping up on the scene here,
and it sounds actually reallyfantastical or unbelievable, but
just do a do a name search onhim, Dr.
Charles Popper.
He's responsible for bringinglithium into North America as a
treatment for child andadolescent bipolar.
That was his favoritemedication.

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It was he found it to be themost effective lithium, which of
interest is just a mineral,wrong form and wrong dosing,
really, really high dosing onit.
But he found that the mineralwas more effective than all the
synthetic drugs that thepharmaceutical companies were
popping out in relation to histreatment of depression and

(41:55):
bipolar.
And so he took it on and hestudied it.
And he, not willingly at first,actually, he was incredibly
skeptical.
He couldn't believe what he washearing because Dr.
Bonnie Kaplan from theUniversity of Calgary, who did
the first study, went down thereand met with him.
And he just said, no, no, no,this is this is this is a bunch
of hogwash.
And so he he ended up uh makingup an excuse to get out of this

(42:18):
presentation that he had beeninvited to in Harvard, uh,
because he'd gone down there andmy father was there and David
Hardy was there.
And he's like, Oh, you know, Igot some appointments I got to
go to because he had his ownprivate practice as well that he
was working with clients andhe's like, I gotta go.
And so before he went, though,they said, Oh, here, we'll take
a bottle of the Empower Plus.
Now, at this point in time, it'sa huge bottle because it's 48

(42:40):
capsules per day, right?
The first batch that we put out,48 capsules per day, even though
it's a fantastic supplement,chelated balanced, but um, so
it's in this huge 448-capsulebottle that's being supplied.
And he's like, I don't, I don't,I don't know what to do with
this.
I don't even want to be seenwith this.
And he was so embarrassed by itthat rather than just throwing
it in the garbage, he actuallytook some books off his

(43:03):
bookshelf and tucked it backbehind so as to hide it because
he didn't even want the cleanerperson to see it and then be
like, hey, what are you what areyou doing with this company?
Right.
He had nothing to do with thiswhole concept.
And well, I don't want tobelabor this too much, a long
story, but what ended uphappening is one of his
colleagues had a 10-year-old sonwho was tantruming for hours a

(43:23):
day, going into rage.
And he didn't want to put him onmedications, and so he wanted to
get a second opinion from hiscolleague, Dr.
Charles Popper.
So he went and met with them.
And Dr.
Charles Popper took a look atthe 10-year-old son, you know,
did a secondary diagnosis andjust said, Yeah, okay, you don't
want to do this?
Well, you know what?
Actually, I've got this stuff.
I will not, I do not, you know,I'm not gonna vouch for it in

(43:45):
any way, shape, or form.
But if you're not wanting to domedications, I don't know, try
it, see it, whatever, whatever.
And so he he handed off to them,and that was it.
Well, he hears back a few weekslater, and his colleague is
saying, Hey, we're almost out ofthat product, and my son is far
better than he was before.

(44:07):
How do we get more of it?
And Dr.
Charles Popper couldn't believehis ears.
Couldn't believe it.
So he goes down to a health foodstore and he he he gets a bottle
from his colleague, he goes downto a health food store and he
tries to match ingredient foringredient uh from all these
different supplements and say,here, just do this.
And it didn't work, not nearlyas well.
It's there was statistically, Ibelieve he was saying around

(44:30):
like the 50% mark-ish kind oflike we're talking extremely
complicated.
I don't know how manysupplements he ended up with,
but it was a handful ofdifferent products that he ended
up with to match the 36ingredients in the Empire Plus.
And so then they reordered somefrom us and they got it.
They put the 10-year-old sonback on um after his tantruming

(44:51):
had started coming back while hewas using the other supplements,
got him back on the Empire Plus,boom, better.
And now we got a really strongcase where Charles Popper is
looking at this and saying,maybe there's something to this.
So then he he took 22 patients,put them on it, saw
statistically significantresults with 19 out of the 22

(45:13):
patients.
Now that's before we evenrefined a lot of things,
including the product and ourprotocols on how to get people
well.
And Dr.
Charles Popper wasn't reallytrained that well on our
protocols either.
And at that point in time, ourprotocols, anyways, were in
their infancy.
And so now we get back to courtand we've got researchers like
Dr.
Charles Popper, who's testifyingand being qualified as a
world-class expert who has hisown medical journal, who has

(45:38):
authored or co-authored manypsychiatric textbooks that
university students are learningfrom, that is responsible for
bringing lithium in as atreatment for child and
adolescent bipolar.
And now he's testifying, sayingthat the M Power Plus is more
effective than any medication orcombination of medications that
he's used before.

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And so we proved in the courtsthat our products did what we
were claiming they were doing,that already at that point in
time, tens of thousands ofpeople had already come to
realize in their own lives, andthat our protocols in helping
people come off medications,because at that point in time
we'd helped probably about10,000 people come off
medications, psychiatricmedications, by about the time

(46:21):
that the court proceedings werehappening, which was in 2005.
And what was um what ended upcoming out of it was a victory
where we weren't just found notguilty, but also a mandate came
down that the judge said you hadno choice but to disobey Health
Canada, because otherwise, hadyou listened to them, you could

(46:45):
have found yourself guilty ofcriminal negligence resulting in
death.
And the reason why he came downwith that is was the vast amount
of evidence that came forwardthat it was well known Health
Canada had killed people throughtheir actions by depriving them
access to the M Power Plus, andthat many people weren't willing
to ever even conceive going backon the medications after they

(47:06):
had finally seen life for whatit could be.
And there was a lot of scaredpeople and there's a lot of
stuff going on, and HealthCanada persisted, regardless of
the fact that they'd receivedover a thousand phone calls and
with people desperately pleadingfor their lives, and Health
Canada's script was you won'thave access to this dangerous
drug anymore.
I go back to your psychiatristand receive the help that you
need basically, get back onmedications.

SPEAKER_01 (47:30):
Okay, I've got all kinds of notes, and I this is
why we need three episodesinstead of just one, because
there's like so much here.
So I want to start with uh Iwant to kind of go back and
explore a little bit theevolution of the treatment that
you provide because your father,you talked a little bit about
how they, you know, they learnedabout chelation.

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You know, there were some thingsthat they kind of discovered
along the way.
And oftentimes I hear people saythings like, I tried, you know,
I tried vitamins and it didn'twork, or I tried, you know, and
they'll say all of these naturalthings that they tried.
And so they use that to discountthe micronutrients from true
hope because they said, Ialready tried that and it didn't
work.
And I try to help themunderstand, and this is one of

(48:13):
the things I'm I'm super excitedto talk to you about today, is
you can't just go to thedrugstore and get get vitamins
off the off the shelf.
I, in fact, I tried after Istarted True Hope in 10 in 2010,
there were two times that myhusband and I were kind of
getting sucked into multi-levelmarketing schemes.
And and I thought, well, I can'tsell this stuff if I'm not

(48:35):
taking it.
And so I, you know, I looked at,I compared the backs of the
bottles, you know, the thesupplement.
I'm not going to say the namesof the companies because I'm not
trying to disparage them, butum, you know, the true hope
supplement, the my, you know,the Empower Plus, and then this
other product from these othercompanies.
And they looked similar to eachother.
There were some, there were somevariations in the amount of

(48:55):
minerals.
The, you know, the minerals inTrue Hope's products were
higher, but it didn't seemsignificant to me.
And so I tried on two separateoccasions.
In a, you know, one time it was,it was about four years in.
And then the second time, Ithink it was about two years
later.
And both times within like amonth, I became uh I became

(49:16):
symptomatic again.
Like the symptoms were comingback.
And as soon as the symptoms cameback, I'm like, oh, that was a
mistake.
And I went right back on TrueHope's products, and within, you
know, about a week I was fineagain.
And so I want to talk aboutthat.
You know, what what was the whatnumber one, what's the
difference between True Hope'smicronutrients and all the other
stuff that's on the market?

(49:36):
Because a lot of doctors willtell people, you know, vitamins
are totally useless.
You pee the, you pee it rightout, like it doesn't, it doesn't
get absorbed into your body.
People will say, I've tried thisbefore.
So what is the difference?
Because there is a massivedifference between the True Hope
product and and almosteverything else out there.
I think Harding Nutritionals isa similar type of product, but

(49:57):
other than that, like most ofthe other stuff out there is it
doesn't provide the samebenefits.

SPEAKER_02 (50:02):
Yeah, to qualify what you're saying, as far as
we're aware, there's only twobrands out there right now that
are doing what they're doing bysupplying the fundamental
nutrients that we need to thriveon a daily basis, regardless of
what ailment we have.
But there's only two companiesI'm aware of that are supplying
the fundamental nutrients andhelping to correct mental health
conditions, and that's HardyNutritionals and True Hope

(50:25):
Nutritional Support.
And the reason being uh thatHardy Nutritionals is also
supplying the same uh, you know,a similar product, not the same
product, but a similar productand achieving similar results is
the fact that um in 2011 therewas a split in the company going
back to David Hardy and hisfamily, and then um Anthony
Stefan, my father, and and hisfamily, and there was a split.

(50:49):
Um we have a good relationshipwith them.
Uh we see that there is a lot ofpeople out there that need help
that we haven't even scratchedthe surface yet.
And so there's still elements ofcollaboration and and good, warm
discussion between us, and uh,but we're the only two companies
that I'm aware of that are doingthis.
And you know, if there was othercompanies that were doing it in

(51:10):
the 90s, we would have latchedonto them rather than producing
our own, and we would have justsaid, hey, supply that.
And my dad would have kept onwith the the really good job
that he had that allowed him tobe home every night.
And so the difference betweenour broad spectrum multivitamin
mineral supplement, I'll justcall it that, you know,
micronutrient supplement,multivitamin, because when you
look at the label, it's reallyjust a broad spectrum

(51:33):
multivitamin.
The reason why it's producingdifferent results than what
you'd expect from a regularmultivitamin is the level of
effort that we go that goes intoit to ensure that your body's
actually able to utilize it.
Now, oftentimes we would like acompany that has an offering
would compare to other companiesthat are deemed their

(51:54):
competition.
We don't need to even do that.
We could do that.
We could say, look, you can gograb a multivitamin, see if it
corrects, see if it correctsyour depression to the point
that you come off yourantidepressants and you feel
fantastic.
Try it.
Right?
Proofs ultimately in thepudding.
The chances that that's gonnahappen is incredibly, incredibly
low.
It may happen, and and if itdoes, fantastic.
Like at the end of the day, thiswill get better.

(52:17):
But really, when we're tryingwhen we when we look at the
generations of product that wehave had, that in itself
communicates that not allnutrition is created equal.
So to start off with, theproduct that we supply today is
the exact same ingredients inthe exact same balance, the same

(52:38):
ratios as what we first suppliedin 1998 when Empower Plus was
first created.
Okay?
So just to put that out thereand yet today, same ingredients,
same label, you can takeone-fourth or less and get the
same results as what you wouldhave had to have taken back in

(53:02):
1998.
So back in 1998, if you wereseverely depressed, if you were
coming to us and saying, hey,look, you know, I'm thinking
about taking my life, themedications aren't working, you
know, like you're you're my lasthope.
And we heard that so many times.
Not you're my true hope, you'remy last hope.
And and and if if that doesn'twork, then you know, we're going
to plan B.

(53:23):
And that oftentimes that was,you know, a suicide plan.
And so, you know, we have thesepeople coming to us like that,
and they're taking 48 capsulesper day.
Now you think that'd be adeterrent, except for the fact
that it's radically transformingtheir lives, so they continue to
take it.
Why?
Even though they're takingliterally like a handful, a full
handful of capsules a day,obviously split out in three
doses, but they're taking, youknow, a meal's worth of capsules

(53:46):
in a day, the fact that it'schanging their life would get
them to continue taking it.
So I'll go through thegenerations real quick.
In 2000, we changed thechelating agent that we had
previously been using.
So now the the minerals arebeing chelated or bound to a
different organic molecule.
It improved the absorption.

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It went down to 32 capsules perday just by doing that.
Same formula, same ingredients,but just a different chelating
agent.
In 2001, we began to micronizethe minerals, grinding them up
into an incredibly fine particlesize.
And we know in in nutrition,when you reduce the particle
size, you increase theabsorption.

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And so by doing that, sameformula, just micronized
chelated minerals now, 18 perday.
18 per day is now producing thesame results that 48 capsules
per day we're producing threeyears previous.
Now in 2005, we developed ourown chelation technology, start
chelating in a more unique way,the same way that you'll find in

(54:50):
certain circumstances withinnature, right?
But in a very ideal way.
And we didn't have it reallydown pat at that point, but we
were able to get down to 15capsules per day was the
therapeutic dose.
Same, same, same formula,different chelating agent,
mycronized minerals.
In 2013, 2014, we startedplaying around with stuff.
And then coming up into closerto 2020, we really developed

(55:16):
some some phenomenal technology.
And when I say we, it's it wasmainly my older brother, um,
kind of a mad scientist, if youwill, uh, very intelligent that
way.
And he came up with someprocesses to really improve the
myconization and chelationtechnology.
And by doing that, uh, they'reat at this point in time playing

(55:36):
around with that one a day,which uh you're familiar with.
Uh, for some people, the one aday is enough.
Uh, for some people, two ofthem.
We don't use it here in theCanadian market to put on the
health food, health food storeshelves.
And the reason why we don't dothat is because it's very
powerful.
But for some people, without theproper education and having
direct connection to us, that wecan help guide them through, it
can be somewhat unpredictable aswell.

(55:58):
But there are many people thatare, they've reduced the amount
of capsules significantly andare seeing profound results.
We still use here in Canada uhwhat we would call the six a day
in Canada, and it ensures morestable results across the board,
and we can play with the dosinga little bit easier, and we can
also use it more easily withinmedication reductions taking

(56:18):
place, whereas uh because youdon't want to overpower people
with too much nutrition whilethey're coming off the
medications, otherwise you'llput them into a state of over
medication.
So we can play with the dosing alot better with the six a day.
But the fact of the matter is,is in Canada, we're working with
a six a day that is producingthe same results that 48
capsules per day were producingback 1998.
And yet, when you look at thelabels, as a lay person, if

(56:41):
you're just reading the label,you don't know what the chelate
is, the label will literallyread the same.
The same ingredients, the sameproportions, everything looks
the same.
But yet what we've done to ithas allowed for it to be more
readily usable by the body insuch a way that we've been able
to reduce the dosing down toless than one-fourth in most

(57:03):
instances and achieve thosefantastic results that people
are looking for.

SPEAKER_01 (57:08):
Yeah.
And I think one of the thingsthat is so important to remember
in all of this is that themission of True Hope at the from
the very outset was helpingpeople heal the underlying
sources of the symptoms thatwere leading to these severe
mental health conditions.
And most vitamin and mineralsupplements out there are for
general health and they canmarket them.

(57:29):
I know when I read um Dr.
Kaplan's book, Dr.
Bonnie Kaplan and Dr.
Julia Reklidge are leadingresearchers in this field.
Bonnie Kaplan was one of thekind of pioneers in this field
of research for, you know,micronutrition for healing
mental health issues.
And they talk about in theirbook that they went to other
companies and offered to studythem.

(57:50):
And the other companies turnedthem down.
They're like, we're selling justfine.
Like we don't need that.
Because there was, my guess isthat they didn't, you know, they
didn't want the potential for abad review.
Like they didn't want thepotential for something going
wrong.
And they were selling just fineand they didn't feel like they
needed additional study on theiron their product.
And so in their book, the onlytwo that they will recommend are

(58:12):
Hardy Nutrition and True Hope,because those are the only ones
that allowed their products tobe tested.
And it's been tested, I think,between the two of your
companies, there's like 55 over55 tests, you know, studies that
have been done across the US andCanada.
And even I think down in, Ibelieve Dr.
Reckledge is down in in NewZealand.

(58:33):
I mean, this is around the worldthat they've been doing studies
on these products for years andshowing the efficacy of these
products and helping to addressthe underlying sources of the
symptoms.
And that's one of the thingsthat I one of the thoughts that
I had when you were talking isthe marketing language that is
used for psychotropic drugs,that the names of the drugs

(58:55):
themselves is marketinglanguage.
I don't think people reallyunderstand that.
When you hear the wordantidepressant, that is
marketing language.
It is it there is no there is nofoundation for that from a
scientific standpoint.
It is just it is strictly usedas marketing language to make
people think that this is goingto resolve their depression.
Same thing with antipsychotics,same thing with, you know, all

(59:17):
mood stabilizers.
That one drives me nuts becausenow once I understood what was
actually happening with thosedrugs, it made me really angry
because when I was diagnosedwith bipolar and I was given a
mood stabilizer, it was supposedto stabilize my mood.
It did not do that.
It made things way worse.
But the the language of chemicalimbalance lends itself to us
thinking that our chemicals areout of balance and we need

(59:39):
chemicals to fix the balance,which which then kind of
justifies the use of these drugsthat are chemical in nature,
that are messing with our brainchemistry in an in an abnormal
way.
When in fact, and I want to Iwant to ask you about this,
sorry, as this is a long way toget to this question, but why is

(01:00:00):
Micronutrition, why does thathelp resolve these issues?
What is actually happening inthe brain?
Why is it that micronutrients,that you know, the vitamins and
the minerals, why is thatresolving these?
Because we've been led tobelieve that there's this
disease that we have, thisdisorder that we have that
requires chemical.
It's a chemical imbalance, whichwe've we know now is totally

(01:00:22):
false, but a chemical imbalancethat requires chemicals to fix.
So why are micronutrientsactually the solution?
What is actually happening withthe micronutrients that help
resolve those symptoms?

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:34):
Yeah, fantastic question there.
So in 1996, when we first madethe discovery, we wouldn't have
been able to tell you anythingabout why the nutrition was
working other than it's working,the proof's in the pudding,
right?
What was interesting at the sametime in 1996, a project began um
called the Kyoto uh Encyclopediaof Genes and Genomes, where they

(01:00:56):
begin mapping out the differentpathways in the brain, what was
taking place, or differentbiochemical pathways in relation
to the production of, let's say,serotonin, the production of uh
dopamine, epinephrine, that typeof thing.
And that would then start to bepublished, and it's still not
awesome, it's not well-knownknowledge.
I mean, you have to be a bit ofa geek to really get into that

(01:01:18):
type of stuff.
So here I am, right?
And so I I I love it because itgives me a more understanding.
I want to understand why, right?
I see, I see what is, but I wantto understand why.
And so if we were to take, forexample, um, let's take an
individual who, let's say,hypothetically, isn't producing

(01:01:39):
enough serotonin.
So medically they're gonna betreated with selective serotonin
reuptake inhibitors or SSRmedications, which is gonna
prevent the reuptake of theserotonin so that you have more
serotonin available, being thatserotonin is known to help, you
know, stabilize mood or or toprevent depression.
Okay.

(01:01:59):
So what's taking place though,or what's not taking place, but
what would be taking place underideal circumstances in relation
to the production of serotonin,is that you end up with
tryptophan being made available.
So you're consuming, let's say,turkey, right?
Or anything with protein in it.
Uh tryptophan is one of theessential amino acids, but

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turkey is very high intryptophan.
Pumpkin seeds are high intryptophan.
That's why they're actually usedas uh, especially in pumpkin
seeds, like it's used as a sleepaid because it enhances the
level of tryptophan.
And we'll get into why that canhelp with as a sleep aid in a
moment.
That's exactly it.
So you went and ate a bunch ofturkey and boom, right?

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And your body does that foractual protective reasons,
because if you produce too muchserotonin, it's dangerous and
it's damaging to the brain.
And the next thing down the linefrom serotonin is melatonin.
So what your body will do toprotect itself is it will start
converting serotonin rapidlyinto melatonin, even though you

(01:03:04):
shouldn't have melatonin yet.
Sun's not down.
But yet here you have melatoninbecause your body's preserving
itself from serotonin syndrome.
And that's where one of themajor risks can come into play
with using SSRI medications.
You can enhance the serotonin somuch that you will do brain
damage.
Right?
So tryptophan is made available.

(01:03:24):
Now, in order for tryptophan toconvert into
5-hydroxytryptophan, and manypeople know they'll they know
what 5-HTP is because anybodywho's ever been depressed, if
they've gone to a health foodstore, they've likely been
recommended 5-HTP.
In order for tryptophan tonaturally convert into the
appropriate amount of 5-HTP, youhave to have five nutrients made

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available to you to incite thetryptophan hydroxylase enzyme
that will facilitate theconversion into 5-HTP.
Those five nutrients are iron,methylfolate, vitamin C D, and
B3.
If you're locking any one ofthose nutrients, that enzyme
isn't working.
Tryptophan isn't being convertedinto 5-hydroxyptophan.
So let's say hypothetically youhave all those nutrients

(01:04:10):
available.
Now you have 5H.
In order for 5 HTP or5-hydroxyptophan to convert to
5-hydroxytryptamine, which isknown better as serotonin, you
just need one nutrient to incitethe enzyme reaction.
And what it is, it's P5P orpyrodoxine 5-phosphate, which is
just a really fancy term foractivated vitamin B6.

(01:04:35):
That's it.
So you have six nutrientsnecessary to take one nutrient,
which is the amino acidtryptophan, and convert it into
serotonin.
And so when you're lacking anyof those nutrients, it doesn't
happen, though.
You have a breakdown in theconversion, and none of those
nutrients can be replaced withanything else.
There's no herb you can takethat will replace that nutrient.

(01:04:56):
Don't get me wrong, there'sherbs that will stimulate the
body's production of things likedopamine and serotonin, even
coffee.
The reason why a lot of peoplewill are addicted to coffee is
because it will stimulate theproduction of serotonin.
Now, you still need thosenutrients available, but it puts
a demand on the system whereyour body's then making sure
those nutrients are going tobecome made available,

(01:05:17):
potentially to the detriment ofother areas of the body that
needed those nutrients, right?
If you're in a deficient state,your body's gonna be constantly
robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:28):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:28):
That's the way it goes.
And your bones, your bones aregonna take a hit because your
bones are a major mineral store.
So if you're lacking minerals,there's a good chance that your
body's ability to survive,utilizing the intelligence, is
that it's gonna rob from yourbones so much that you are gonna
be a candidate for osteoporosissooner.
Uh well, I'm not gonna saysooner, because people that get

(01:05:50):
proper levels of nutrients arenever candidates for
osteoporosis.
But you're gonna you're gonna goosteoporotic much faster.
If you're in a deficient stateand you are inciting the
production, maybe you'redrinking a lot of coffee, it's
it's saying produce serotonin,that's why it's so comforting to
drink the coffee.
And so there are certain herbsand stuff like that, or like

(01:06:12):
marijuana enhances dopamineproduction that will get you to
your body to do it, but it's notreplacing the fact that you need
on a daily basis adequate levelsof those nutrients to facilitate
the conversions of those aminoacids into the various
neurotransmitters.
And so I just want to kind ofdigress for a moment here back

(01:06:32):
to the SSRI issue.
If somebody's not producingenough serotonin and they're put
on an SSRI medication thattargets specifically serotonin
reuptake, the problem with thatis we also need dopamine.
And dopamine is a differentpathway that looks nearly
identical to the serotoninpathway, except that it starts
with, rather than tryptophan, itstarts with L-tyrosine, which is

(01:06:53):
oftentimes converted fromphenylolanine, an essential
amino acid.
So you start with tyrosine asthe precursor, and the tyrosine
is going to be converted throughthe tyrosine hydroxylase enzyme
into L-dopa.
Now, what's of interest is thatthe exact same five nutrients,
iron, methylfolate, vitamin C,D, and B3, are necessary to

(01:07:14):
incite that enzyme to convertthe tyrosine into the L-dopa.
The L-dopa then requires, or theenzyme for the uh the conversion
of L-dopa into dopaminerequires, once again, the P5P
pyrodoxine 5-phosphate, whichonce again activated B6.
So that you have the exact samesix vitamins and minerals

(01:07:36):
necessary to take tyrosine andconvert it into dopamine as you
do tryptophan into serotonin.
So if you aren't producingserotonin, there's a good chance
you're not producing dopamine.
So if you get on an SSRImedication, you've only targeted
one pathway, you're stilldeficient in the other pathways.
And what happens when you don'thave adequate levels of

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dopamine?
You don't really feel that highfor life naturally, right?
Yeah.
Your reward circuitry iscompromised.
You don't feel like you'reachieved, even if you are
achieved.
You may just accomplish thebiggest thing out there, but
you're not getting that rewardchemical that's saying, wow,
amazing.
I'm high, right?

(01:08:17):
And so your ability to be highfor life naturally is
eliminated.
And so that's where one of theissues comes with the whole drug
model targeting one specificthing versus going back to the
fundamentals of health.
And I'm gonna digress one moretime here and then grab give you
the time again.
There are four main classes ofnutrients.

(01:08:39):
A number of your audience rightnow watching this are sitting on
a chair, probably a four-leggedchair.
Imagine removing one of thoselegs.
Can you sit?
Yes.
But are you unstable?
Yes.
Are you balancing?
Yes, are you comfortable?
Probably not.
You're dysfunctional, but you'restill upright.
Now remove another leg.
Maybe you can do it.
Maybe you're skilled.

(01:09:00):
Remove one more leg.
Now you're down to one leg.
Some people can do that.
But it's an incredibly balancingact, or incredible balancing act
that just doesn't right.
That's not what we were made todo.
You're not stable, you're notcomfortable, you're not, you're
not reclining, right?
And so there's four main classesof nutrients that do the same
thing for our bodies.
And that's vitamins, minerals,amino acids, and omega fatty

(01:09:22):
acids.
And I can never get that fingerto go down by itself.
So they all work synergisticallytogether.
The two examples I just gaveshowed how the protein that
you're that you're digesting inyour in your intestinal tract
and it's breaking down intoseparate amino acids before it
uptakes into the bloodstream.
So now you're getting thingslike the tyrosine and you're
getting things like thetryptophan, how those amino

(01:09:44):
acids coming from the proteinwill then be converted through
the help of vitamins andminerals.
If you're locking those aminoacids, it doesn't matter about
those vitamins and minerals.
They got nothing to start with.
There's nothing to be convertedin the first place.
Or maybe you have the aminoacids, but you're locking some
of those vitamins and minerals,doesn't matter.
You've got the amino acid, butit's not going to do anything

(01:10:05):
because you don't have thevitamins and minerals to
facilitate the conversion intothe various neurotransmitters
that you needed to regulatewhat's going on in the body.
The same thing goes forhormones.
So when we're talkingneurotransmitters, we're also
talking hormones because they'realmost identical in how they
operate.
And they're both messengermolecules.
They're both considered what'scalled the first messenger

(01:10:27):
molecule in the body, theneurotransmitter and the
hormone.
They're there to tell your bodywhat to do.
They're there to tell cells whatto do.
Right?
And if you don't have them,communication breaks down.
We all know what happens whencommunication breaks down in a
household, you end up withdysfunction, right?
And eventually maybe thedissolution of that family,
right?
Couples.

(01:10:48):
Communication breaks down, done.
Communication stops in the body,done.
You're ending up with diseasebecause crucial functions are no
longer taking place, and you'regoing to get a diagnosis.
And ultimately, if it's notremedied appropriately through
supplying the coenzyme factorsand the precursors necessary to
produce those molecules, thoseneurotransmitters and hormones,

(01:11:08):
if it's not remedied, you willend up inevitably suffering a
premature death.
That's just the way it goes.
And leading up to that, it's notgoing to be the most pleasant
experience either because yourbody is going to be just in a
state of discomfort balancingon, you know, one or two legs
type of thing on the on thatchair.
And it gets it gets old overafter a while, right?

(01:11:28):
And so but the same thing goesto the omega fatty acids, also
play into that in relation tothe synergistic aspect of all
that.
So here's one example there.
Omega-3 fatty acids arephenomenal, people recognize it,
but many people are beingtrained in the health food store
settings now that if you're nottaking omega-3 fatty acids from

(01:11:51):
fish oils, that you're notgetting a whole lot out of them.
And the reason why is that inthe fish oil, it's pre-converted
already to the DHA and the EPAform of the omega-3 fatty acids,
DHA being for cognition, EPAbeing for uh cardiovascular
health, right?
And obviously that's that's amyopic approach, but those are
the main things that they'reknown for.
Well, the flax oil or thingslike flax oil, the omega-3 fatty

(01:12:15):
acid coming from flax oil orchia or camelina or hemp, that's
an ALA form.
It's in a more inactive form.
And most people aren'tconverting it into the DHA, the
EPA, and the DPA that you needfor other particular functions
in the body.
But when you break it rightdown, you take a look at what's
going on, the only thing thatyour body needs to get the

(01:12:37):
enzyme to convert the ALA intothose various other substrates
is magnesium, zinc, vitamin B3,and B6.
That's it.
That's it.
So if you're locking thevitamins and minerals, that
omega fatty acid in that in thatparticular form isn't going to
do you any good.
So they all work synergisticallytogether.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:59):
When you're talking about the all of these, it's so
complicated.
Like the way that all of thesethings interact in our bodies
and interact with each other isso complex, right?
And when I up, I frequently willsee people say, you know, we
just need to add more magnesiumin, or we need just need to add,
you know, they'll they'll talkabout single minerals or amino

(01:13:23):
acids, or they'll they'll talkabout them individually as if
that is the solution.
If you just take this, thenthat's gonna solve the problem.
And and I've also heard peopletalk about how like they take
something and then it made themmanic, or you know, like and so
that's the that is the issuethat most people don't really
understand.
We don't understand how all ofthese things interact with each

(01:13:45):
other.
The way that you just explainedit, even though I've read a lot
about this, I've never heardthat kind of that level of
explanation related to how themicronutrients and and the amino
acids and you know the you knowall of these things interact
with each other and how theyplay into the production of
these neurotransmitters that areout of balance, that are not,

(01:14:08):
you know, that are notfunctioning in a healthy way,
that are leading to these mentalhealth symptoms.
So, why is a broad spectrum?
I guess I kind of answered it,but I want I want to ask you
that question.
Why is it so important to use abroad spectrum micronutrient
rather than single dosing theseminerals and these nutrients?

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:26):
Awesome question.
So we'll kind of rewind realquickly here to, you know, where
our knowledge base was when wewere first creating the product.
It was well understood inagricultural practices that if
you were to supplement withcalcium alone rather than having
calcium, magnesium, andphosphorus in the proper
balance, that you couldincrease, you know, from a, you
know, doing a scan, you couldincrease the bone density, or it

(01:14:50):
appeared that you wereincreasing the bone density in
these animals.
But in in reality, you'reactually creating more of like a
crystallization and the densitywas there, but it was a weak
structure for these animals.
And in agriculture, it'sincredibly expensive when you
end up with an animal thatbreaks its leg because that's
you're not putting it into acast and then tending to it.

(01:15:11):
No, it's done.
It's gone, right?
And so they learned early on inthe agricultural industry, in
the animal feed industry, thatyou need to supply proper
balance to ensure a good healthoutcomes.
And so a more modern examplethat many people will be able to
relate to is during COVID, a lotof naturally minded people were

(01:15:31):
being instructed to go and takezinc.
Take zinc.
It's good for the immune system.
Go take zinc, take zinc, takezinc, right?
Alongside other stuff, right?
Well, that was one of thegreatest disservices that that
that we could have done tohumanity at that point in time.
Don't get me wrong, there's alot of egregious things that
took place during COVID, butthat's one of that in in

(01:15:52):
relation to the misinformationand the outcome that it would
have provided to otherwisepotentially healthy people, and
they would have been in aposition that they wouldn't have
been able to understand causeand effect because there's
multiple facets to this duringthose circumstances.
But when you take zinc out ofthe 10 to 1 ratio with the
copper, and the copper is alsoreally good for the immune

(01:16:13):
system as well, so it shouldhave never been separated, it
should have never beenrecommended on its own.
But when you take it out ofbalance with copper and you
overload the body, thepropensity of you developing or
becoming very agitated,developing irritability, hyper
irritability, going into thatelevated state of agitation and
all of that, potentially evenworse into diagnosably psychic

(01:16:36):
psychiatric issues that couldend, you know, end you up in a
psych ward.
If you offset the balance ofzinc uh extreme enough, you will
get there.
And so it's so crucial that youkeep it in the proper balance.
But here's the issue is thatduring that time, the
circumstances dictated thatpeople could have been naturally
agitated, or at least they wouldhave said it's the
circumstances, not the fact thatI'm taking elevated levels of

(01:16:58):
zinc and I've thrown off thecopper zinc balance of my body.
So it's so crucial that, yes,zinc, is it good?
Is it good for testosteroneproduction?
Yes, it's good.
You find it in test boosters,all that type of stuff.
You know, if I ever play aroundwith that, and I I love I love
to play around with all sorts ofstuff, to be honest with you,
right?
I've got my foundationalsupplements, my my true
supplements, the amino acids,I've got the M Power Plus, and I

(01:17:20):
make sure that I'm I'm good withthat.
But I still play around withother stuff just to see, because
I'm constantly in a state wherepeople are coming to me and
saying, Would you recommend,would you recommend, would you
recommend?
And I could share my personalexperience and I can also share
um you know what what maybe theliterature is saying on it as
well.
And so it puts me in a betterposition to make good

(01:17:40):
recommendations when I myselfhave tried all sorts of stuff.
And I and I've played aroundwith some of these test boosters
that uh that have isolated zinc,so even just like the um the
aspartic acid with zinc, and I'mtelling you, if I don't deal
with it appropriately, it willthrow me into a state of
agitation like none other.
And it's not just because I'mtesty from increased test uh

(01:18:00):
testosterone levels, but thezinc is an issue.
So now when I'm playing aroundwith that, you'll see that I'm
also drinking out of a copperbottle.
Right?
So I'm hitting it, right?
So if I'm gonna be playingaround with it, I'm gonna make
sure that I'm gonna be gettingcopper and I'm gonna be getting
zinc.
Otherwise, you throw off thatthat balance in the body far
enough, you become anundesirable person to be around.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:21):
Yeah.
Well, and and so the when youtake it in a broad spectrum,
meaning, and when we say broadspectrum, it's it is you how
many?
You said 32?
Is it 32 minerals and vitamins?

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:32):
There's 36 ingredients total.
Yeah, so 16 minerals, 14vitamins, three amino acids,
three antioxidants.
Actually, in Canada, it's fouramino acids now, so it's 37.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:41):
Right.
And so what what we're doing isactually giving the body the
correct ratios.
And so when, you know, and I'vehad this experience with true
hope.
I've been taking this since2010, with the the brief
exceptions when I triedsomething else.
But I I have gone throughperiods of like tremendous
stress.
My husband lost his job and wasout of work for two years, and I

(01:19:02):
could feel myself sliding intodepression.
And I called True Hope, youknow, kind of in a panic.
I'm like, what's happening?
And they said, Well, you'reunder a tremendous amount of
stress right now.
Your body is burning throughthese nutrients faster.
You need to increase yourintake.
And so for a year, I increasedthe intake.
And it was pretty incrediblebecause at that point, like I
had gone through all of the,like my body had been off of

(01:19:23):
medication for 10 years at thatpoint.
So I was done with all of themed releases and that.
And anybody who's listening whodoesn't know what I'm talking
about, we're talking about thisin a later episode.
So we will get into what medreleases are.
But but within a couple days, Iwas back to normal.
Like I was back to feelinghealthy, everything was fine.
I, you know, I wasn't feelingdepressed any longer.

(01:19:44):
So it's pretty incredible howand and the thing that I love
about that too is all I had todo was increase the empower.
I didn't have to, I didn't haveto mess with anything.
I didn't have to like experimentwith anything.
All I had to do was increase myintake of the empower because
everything was in balance, theratios were all on the correct
balance.
And simply by increasing theamount that I was giving my

(01:20:04):
brain, my body then had exactlywhat it needed to distribute
throughout the body and to togive the building blocks, you
know, the the brain that what itneeded to build and um to
produce, I should say, notbuild, but to produce the
neurotransmitters in the correctratios so that my brain was able
to function in a healthy way andhandle all the stress that we

(01:20:25):
were under during that time.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:27):
Exactly.
Yeah, to put that in in anotherperspective, anybody who's into
fitness knows that when you areengaging in some intense
physical stress, right?
You're you're you maybe you'veadopted a new program, maybe
you're just hitting the weightsreally hard, whatever it is.
Anyone that's into that knowsthat they need to increase their

(01:20:49):
protein intake during that timebecause of the fact that you can
be building new tissue tissue,you're you're tearing muscle
fibers, they're regrowing.
Um, there's all sorts ofprocesses taking place in the
body that requires increasedamino acids being made available
for building muscle tissue anduh just general reparation.
The same thing goes, uh, firstof all, that's that's myopic if

(01:21:11):
you're only focusing on protein,because protein doesn't do what
it fully needs to do unless youhave the vitamins and minerals.
So realistically, nutrientuptake needs to happen when
you're under physical stress.
And I say nutrient uptake on awhole.
The same thing happens whenwe're under mental stress.
When you're under mental stress,you your body is regulating and
it's trying to preserve you frombeing overcome by that stress,

(01:21:34):
right?
Like I can go through astressful situation.
If you put me in one stressfulsituation and it's the exact
same as someone else next to me,and it's the exact same
situation, there's no, there'sno different factors involved
other than I'm taking thenutrition, they're not, I'm
gonna deal with that situationfar better than they will.
And I'm not trying to say thatfrom an arrogance standpoint,

(01:21:55):
it's just the reality of it.
In fact, there's a number ofstudies that that highlight that
where uh Christchurch NewZealand earthquake, uh, Dr.
Julia Ruckledge and her team dida study with the Empire Plus and
found that those that took theEmpire Plus did far better.
Circumstances were the same,infrastructure was down, right?
It was it was bad.
Everybody was suffering.
And yet there was significantstatistical differences between

(01:22:18):
those that were taking theEmpire Plus versus those that
were taking another multivitaminversus those that weren't taking
anything.
And then they did a replicatingstudy of it in 20 out of the
University of Calgary inrelation to the high river
flood, where high river peoplelost their homes.
It was absolutely devastatingfor a lot of people.
And they did another study wherethey found that those that were
taking the Empire Plus did farbetter than those that were not

(01:22:40):
taking any nutrition at all.
So when you're under stress,your body's trying to protect
you from that.
You are producing a lot morehormones and neurotransmitters
to help regulate thoughtprocesses and to keep you in a
calm state and to keep youfocused and logical and able to
move forward.
But it's using nutrition to dothat.
And so, under any stress, mentalor physical stress, nutrition

(01:23:05):
needs to be increased.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:07):
Yeah.
Uh okay, we've got an hour and ahalf.
I do this every like thishappened last time.
Like I just I kept looking,thinking, okay, I've got to try
and keep this.
It's gonna happen.
Okay, so we are going to stophere.
For anybody who's listeningwho's like, no, I want more.
Don't worry.
I'm having David on next time.
So we have it, we have himscheduled right now for two
more.
We may need to go to fourepisodes at this rate.

(01:23:30):
But it's been phenomenal talkingto you today, David.
And I and what we're going to dois next time, I want everybody
to come back.
We're going to talk more indepth about how this is actually
helping people, like with whythis helps.
And what are the some of thedrawbacks?
Like, what are some of theexperiences that people have
when they go from when theyswitch from uh not drawbacks,

(01:23:50):
but the experiences, thesymptoms that people are
experiencing, when they switchfrom medication to
micronutrients, because that Ithink is a big stumbling block
for people when they, when theydecide they're going to try
this, if they don't understandwhat they're doing and they
don't understand what'shappening, we have been so
conditioned to believe thatthese symptoms indicate illness
or disorder that when weexperience the symptoms and we

(01:24:11):
don't understand what they are,we freak out and think, oh, this
isn't working.
I got to go back in my meds,right?
So next time we're going toexplore that in depth because
it's very important for peopleto understand what is actually
happening when you experiencethese symptoms, how these
micronutrients are helping toactually heal the brain and heal
the underlying sources of thesymptoms so that you are not,

(01:24:32):
this isn't, this isn't, you'renot in remission, you're
actually healed.
Like the brain is healed, right?
You don't call yourself inremission from illness when you
eat properly.
Like you just healed the body,right?
And the same thing is happeningwhen we take the micronutrients
and give our brain what it needsto function in a healthy way.
It's actually healing the brain,not just putting it in
remission, right?

(01:24:54):
Wonderful.
All right.
Okay, well, we will talk to younext week.
And until next time, upsiders.

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