July 23, 2025 • 29 mins
A landmark collection of artifacts and photos from Auschwitz is coming to Cincinnati in October 2025.
“I've paid attention to it as it's been in different places, and talked to the curator and talked to partners who have had it, knowing that in the back of my mind, like that's something that needs to come to Cincinnati, and it clearly needs to be in this building for all the connections that you and I are going to talk about today.”
- Elizabeth Pierce, CEO Cincinnati Museum Center, on Auschwitz. Not long ago. Not far away.
In this limited series, we’ll add insight and local context to this internationally renowned exhibition. In this episode, Jackie Congedo, CEO of the Nancy & David Wolf Holocaust & Humanity Center, sits down with Elizabeth Pierce, CEO of Cincinnati Museum Center, to talk about partnering to bring the exhibition to Cincinnati.
Those who visit will not just see the same exhibition that has been shown around the world. They will also get in-depth local stories of Auschwitz survivors who immigrated to Cincinnati. During WWII, the historic train station where this exhibition will be shown saw millions of American servicemen come through its doors. But there was another group of travelers whose lives would be impacted by Union Terminal. More than 1,000 Jews who survived the Holocaust immigrated to Cincinnati, arriving in the very building where the public will be able to view Auschwitz. Not long ago. Not far away.
It is a special layer of meaning and context that we think will give visitors an even more extraordinary experience.
The opportunity to bring this impactful exhibition to Cincinnati has been generously supported by Rhonda and Larry Sheakley, the Jewish Federation of Cincinnati, the Jewish Foundation of Cincinnati, the Ohio Holocaust and Genocide Memorial and Education Commission and
H.B., E.W. & F.R. Luther Charitable Foundation, Fifth Third Bank, Trustee
Jacob G. Schmidlapp Fund, Fifth Third Bank, Trustee
Helen G., Henry F., Louise Tuechter Dornette Foundation, Fifth Third Bank, Trustee
Western & Southern Financial Group
Les and Renee Sandler
The Kanter/Knue Family
The Neil Bortz Family
Rosenthal Family Foundation
Beth and Louis Guttman
To Bear Witness: Stories from Auschwitz to Cincinnati is part of the Cynthia & Harold Guttman Family Center for Storytelling.
Special thanks to Julie and John Cohen for their support of this series.
Auschwitz. Not long ago. Not far away. was created by Musealia in cooperation with the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum. Presented by NEON.
For more information, please visit:
Musealia
https://www.musealia.net/
Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/
NEON
https://www.neonglobal.com/en/
Auschwitz. Not long ago. Not far away. ticket info, additional resources for both adults and students, travel itineraries and more
https://www.cincymuseum.org/auschwitz/
Visit the Nancy & David Wolf Holocaust & Humanity Center
https://www.holocaustandhumanity.org/
Learn more about Werner Coppel, one of the Cincinnati survivors whose life will be featured in the exhibition
https://youtu.be/bUKLrd3XsXs
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Jackie Congedo (00:01):
Auschwitz is a name the world can't forget. At
the Nancy and David WolfHolocaust and Humanity Center,
we've made it part of ourmission to understand its impact
by learning from those whosurvived and came to Cincinnati.
In this limited series, we sharethose stories of courage loss
and the ripple effects stillfelt today. Hi. I'm Jackie
(00:24):
Congedo, and welcome to aspecial edition of the Upstander
Ripple Effect where we arejoined by the incredible
Elizabeth Pierce, the Presidentand CEO of the Cincinnati museum
center, to talk a little bitabout our collaboration between
the Nancy and David WolfHolocaust and Humanity Center
(00:45):
and the Cincinnati museum centerto bring the Auschwitz traveling
exhibition called "Auschwitz.
Not long ago. Not far away."here to Union Terminal in the
fall of this year, an incrediblyexciting opportunity for our
community, and I think, a timelyone as well. This is the largest
collection of artifacts anddocuments outside of Auschwitz
to ever be presented in NorthAmerica, and it has only made a
few stops in North America. Sowe really will be hosting this
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incredible exhibition forbasically the totality of the
Midwest coming in the fall.
Elizabeth Pierce (01:15):
Yes,
Jackie Congedo (01:16):
tell me a little bit about you know you were in
these conversations before I waseven a thing at HHC, before I
had joined the team here. Talkbring me back to sort of when
this first came across yourdesk, and why this was a real
priority for you and your teamat the museum center.
Elizabeth Pierce (01:33):
So it was created in 2017/2018. It was at
and I are going to today.
the Kansas City Union Stationcenter in 2019 and we do a lot
of benchmarking with that groupthere. They're also in a
restored train station. Theyalso have a large exhibition
(01:54):
space and and I just knew thatit was having a tremendous
impact on that community. Therewere hundreds of, thousands of,
people coming in the GreaterKansas City, Midwest area, there
to see this exhibition. And sothat's how it became on my radar
screen. We, of course, weremoving back into Union Terminal.
(02:16):
Holocaust and Humanity Centerwas opening here at Union
terminal at that time, and thenwe have COVID, so everything got
shut down. So I've paidattention to it as it's been in
different places, and talked tothe curator and talked to
partners who have had it,knowing that in the back of my
mind, like that's something thatneeds to come to Cincinnati, and
(02:39):
it clearly needs to be in thisfor all the connections that
Jackie Congedo (02:41):
Yeah, so let's, let's talk a little bit more
about that. I, one of the thingsI'm so excited about for this
joint effort is, and reallyit's, I say, joint it's you and
I and our teams and theorganizations, but also a number
of other players, World Heritageexhibitions, the Auschwitz
Birkenau State Museum andMusealia, which is, you know,
(03:01):
the curator of this exhibition,and a number of other thought
leaders and scholars who cametogether to put this, this
incredible learning, publiclearning experience together.
What makes it so - what makes itso tough? Let's talk about how
unique it is that it's going tobe in this space that is, as you
(03:22):
said, a train station. And weknow, obviously, in the work
that we do at HHC, thesignificance of trains and the
history. And if you've ever beento HHC, or if you haven't come
down before the Auschwitzexhibition, you can take a look
and learn for yourself. Butthis, this concept of, you know,
trains, of course, during thehistory that brought people to
death, but also in thisbuilding, there
Elizabeth Pierce (03:41):
brought people to their new lives.
Jackie Congedo (03:43):
Yes, and this concept of rebuilding and local
survivors and resilience andhope that I think is anchors us
in our work. So, you know, we'regoing to get to tell this story
in a place where the history, Ialways say, the global history,
became local history. What doesthat you know, as you've been
thinking about the power ofthat, what does that mean to
(04:04):
you?
Elizabeth Pierce (04:04):
Well, it just - we have this incredible moment
and opportunity in this buildingto be able to bring these, these
traveling exhibitions, to bringthe world to Cincinnati. We've
done that consistently over thelast 20 years. We brought the
Vatican exhibition, we broughtthe Cleopatra exhibition. We
brought the Dead Sea Scrollsexhibition, so Auschwitz. Not
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long ago. Not far away. beingable to be a part of that body
of work made so much sense. And,you know, I was jumping up and
down with the exhibit producerswho were like, Oh, we might take
it to Chicago. We might send itto a bigger city. I said, "No,
no, it has to come here. It hasto come here because of the
history of the building, and italso has to come here because
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Nancy & David Wolf Holocaust andHumanity Center has put the
emphasis on humanity and thecall to action of what one does
as one has been presented withthis information." So to be able
to have your unique approach towrap around and channel the
emotion that will be generatedas people bear witness to this
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is unique in every presentationthat it's been around the globe.
So Cincinnati gets to dosomething that nobody else has
been able to do.
Jackie Congedo (05:18):
Yeah, and I think you could tell you know,
when the World Heritage teamcame and were sort of, they
obviously know the museum centerwell, right with you all in
another number of otherexhibitions, but came to see, to
see this space, to see theHolocaust and Humanity Center
Museum, that was, I think,abundantly clear to them that,
you know, we have this approachthat, yes, is anchored in the
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gravity of the history, and youknow the consequences of the
history, but really, you know atits core, and this comes from
our local survivors, right? It'snot enough just to teach the
history. We have to askourselves, "What does that ask
of us today, and how can weactually use this as a
foundation for inspiration? Youknow, we know what, what the
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worst of humanity looks like.
It's really, actually not enoughto say, let's not be the worst.
Let's talk about what it lookslike to be the good." So you
know, I'm excited to see what wecan do in partnership, which our
teams are feverishly planningright now, to make sure that we
can sort of use this experienceas a sort of an alchemist, to
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bring people in in a way that iscompelling and grounded in this,
in the truth and the thehistorical facts of what
happened, And then to sort ofcatalyze this spirit of
upstanding to come out of it. Sowe're doing that in a couple of
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ways. The first things talk alittle bit about, like, what's
going to be different in thispresentation. So the first thing
is, we have the amazing fortuneof sort of being the guardians
of the local stories, people whocame here with nothing and found
the resilience in themselves to,you know, build new lives, to
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contribute to this community, tobuild this incredible
institution, this museum. And sosome of those stories are sort
of people who survivedAuschwitz, right? We're going to
be able to actually integratethose local stories into the
exhibition itself. So when youcome through, if you've been to
the one in Boston or, you know,it's in Toronto right now, you
should still come again, becauseit will be a different
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experience.
Elizabeth Pierce (07:36):
And even if you've gone to DC and seen the
National Museum, this is goingto be a unique a different
experience than what you've seenthere. There will be themes and
threads that are similar. But toyour point, we get to integrate
some of the local stories intoand be a part of this global
exhibition,
Jackie Congedo (07:47):
yeah, yeah. So we'll have, we'll have those
local stories intertwined, andthen we're going to, we're doing
a lot of work on the sort of thebefore and the after aspects of
this that you know, that theeducation and sort of resources
that people will have access tobefore they come in and after
they leave that are grounded inthis call to be the best of
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humanity today. So you know thecharacter strengths which help
us understand our own capacityto be what we call upstanders.
And how do we introduce peopleto that framework and give them
some tools to do something withthe feelings, as you said,
these, I think, veryconsequential and heavy feelings
that that people are going tohave when they leave this
exhibition. Let's talk aboutjust the core of the exhibition
(08:32):
itself. What kinds of things canpeople expect to see when they
when they come in? You know,this is obviously billed as the
largest collection of artifactsoutside Auschwitz to ever be
presented in North America. Whatkinds of things will people be
able to experience andencounter?
Elizabeth Pierce (08:51):
Well, I think the physicality of the camp will
be presented in a way throughconcrete pillars and barbed wire
and a barrack that they've beenable to rebuild and travel. So
you'll get a sense of kind ofwhat it was like to be there.
From that perspective. There area number of art pieces that are
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going to help tell the story alittle bit more, as well as
artifacts from people who wereat the camp. So you will see
things that belong to peoplethat were taken from them when
they arrived. You will also seekind of stories of Auschwitz as
a community prior to it beingdetermined to be the death camp
that it became. It was athriving medieval community for
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800 years before the Nazisshowed up and decided to make it
what we know it as now. And Ithink the reality that it sat on
this transportation crossroadand this economic crossroad is
why they chose it for thisultimate destiny. But you know,
I think understanding thatAuschwitz was a place unto
itself, so you get a littlesense of that and some some
(10:01):
material culture from thecommunity prior to the Nazis
arriving.
Jackie Congedo (10:05):
Yeah. And I think, I actually think that is
so important, particularly forthe times we're living in,
because the more we again cansort of conceptualize this or
put this in a place in our ownminds that's long ago and far
away, to use the branding of theexhibition, the less we can hold
that this was something thathuman beings built, human beings
(10:29):
participated in, you know, and
Elizabeth Pierce (10:31):
that it was happening right over there.
Jackie Congedo (10:33):
Yeah, exactly.
This was a town with people whowent home next door and tended
their gardens and fed theirfamilies and then went back to
work at the at the gas chambers,right? So we have to hold the
weight and complexity of thefact that as people, we are
capable of the best of humanityand the worst of humanity. And I
(10:55):
think Auschwitz, Auschwitz hasbecome this reminder of that for
us, collectively as a society,as a human family, that you know
what happened there? The worst,absolute worst of humanity
happened there, perpetrated byeveryday people and also the
resilience, great stories,incredible stories of survival,
(11:18):
of people who held hope amidstthese incredibly horrific
conditions and dehumanizingframeworks rescue. So we have,
and we we have a lot of thosestories in terms of local people
who you know, who live them. Sowe're really excited to bring
(11:39):
that to folks in Cincinnati, butalso more regionally, right? How
is this curated in a way that'sthat's accessible for people?
Can you talk a little bit about,like, the experience of being in
the exhibition? I think there'sa lot of folks who might feel
like, you know, I'm not surethat I have it in me
Elizabeth Pierce (12:00):
Yes,
Jackie Congedo (12:00):
given the weight of our world to go see this,
what would you say to encouragefolks that you know, this is
something that is accessible,that's built to be consumed.
Elizabeth Pierce (12:10):
You know, there it's built across a number
of learning styles. So therewill be an audio guide. There
will be panels where you canread and take your time and work
your way through things. Thereare large scale objects, like we
talked about, and small scaleobjects. And so it'll flow. And
you know, there's videothroughout - some news footage
(12:31):
of the day, and then familyvideo that shows like life
before and what was lost. And soit's going to be a range of
content in a way that people cankind of consume and dip in and
out. It's not so linear andchronological that you have to,
like, you know, walk through itvery meth in a very specific
(12:58):
way. But, and, you know, andI've seen it now twice, and I've
kind of meandered through andpicked up different things at
each time. And so I think itwill be accessible to, to a high
school audience, a collegeaudience, an adult audience, you
know, maybe junior high as itkind of tracks a little bit
(13:19):
with, with how you guys bringstudents in as well. I didn't
find it. It wasn't overlygraphic and disturbing from that
perspective. It's more justdisturbing that you're standing
in this space that is resonantof and so you know, then being
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able to intersperse that withthe stories of the survivors
that came from the videos thatare there, and then to have our
local stories added to it, Ithink will lift up that holding
of hope and that that energythat that people use to spur
their lives forward.
Jackie Congedo (13:55):
Yeah, I know that, you know, in our survivor
community, the the folks we'vewe work with, and you know who,
who have history, family historytied to Auschwitz, are...
excited is not the right word, Ithink, grateful. And see this as
a real opportunity to infuse thestory that really can be
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centered around dehumanizationwith with the sense of humanity,
and not just humanity, localhumanity. So you know, when you
come into this exhibition, folkslike Steve Coppel, whose father,
Werner, was really at thefoundations of building the
Holocaust and Humanity Center,what is now HHC, arrived in this
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building with a wife, a baby,and a suitcase. And he always
would say, "That started thesecond part of my life, or that
ended the first part of mylife," reflecting on sort of
that, you know, these were twowildly. He was almost like he
lived two different, twodifferent experiences,
experiences, existences. And so,you know. So people will have
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the power before they see any ofthe artifacts, or are sort of
immersed in, you know, thesepieces that that help them get a
sense of what the camp was like.
They will hear from Steve
Elizabeth Pierce (15:17):
Right,
Jackie Congedo (15:17):
that this history
Elizabeth Pierce (15:20):
is my family history,
Jackie Congedo (15:21):
is my family history. And it happened
actually in this building rightthe my the rebirth, the new
life, the new second chapter formy family.
Elizabeth Pierce (15:30):
The number of people that I've already talked
to about this that say, Oh myGod, I've had chills like it. In
their emotional core, theyrespond to it, yeah, just like I
am right now.
Jackie Congedo (15:42):
And that's, I think, that is the power of it.
That's the power of it beingtold here. That's the power of
being able to lift up thesevoices of survivors and their
children, because, because, Ithink, you know, we have
something really, we have astory that we should, we should
be proud to tell here, which isabout resilience and rebuilding
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and hope and new life, and theway this this community is a
city embraced a group of peoplewho were refugees, who were
refugees.
Elizabeth Pierce (16:15):
It's also interesting to put it in the
broader context of the historyof this community, over 200 plus
years of waves of immigrationcoming here, right? So it's
interesting to me to have thedepth of Jewish history in
Cincinnati, to also kind of be apart of that story, because we
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celebrated the bicentennial ofJewish Cincinnati several years
ago, and so just to know thatlike this, is a place that has
is rooted in culture, is rootedin this resilience of community
building over many, many years.
You know, one of the storiesabout this building during the
World War Two is that it's thefirst USO, essentially in the
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country that gets establishedhere, and it's staffed in this
very ecumenical way by women ofProtestant, Jewish and Catholic
traditions coming here to help,like care for the soldiers as
they are crisscrossing thecountry in and out of this train
station. So the just this layerupon layer of Cincinnati that I
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think people are going todiscover also, and this
exhibition is going to createconversations for people to
have. And you know, as peoplesay, "Oh, I knew that person.
Oh, I knew that family. I didn'tknow that part of that family
history, but they've been avibrant member of the community"
is the example, is theresilience, is the thing that we
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want to be teaching the nextgeneration, that we want to be
reminding ourselves of right nowas well. So, yeah, it's, it's
layered and rich,
Jackie Congedo (17:54):
yeah, yeah. I think that's well said. And you
know the magic of museums isthat the story is still, still
isn't written, because themissing piece is the people come
and experience it, and whathappens as a result of, I mean,
we know this in Kansas City andin other cities where this has
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been, you know, folks haveshared that there was actually
sort of a measurable, seismicdifference in the way community
cohesion and this
Elizabeth Pierce (18:27):
uptick in relationships and understanding
and, yeah, yeah,
Jackie Congedo (18:31):
because, you know, there really is nothing
like being confronted with theconsequences of lack of that
right, like unchecked hatred,division, dehumanizing forces,
you know, these can lead totruly catastrophic things. So
when we're you know, when thewhen the consequences of that
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are laid bare, and people canexperience it, can experience it
in a way that's grounded in thehistory, that's grounded in the
personal, local narratives, andthey have the space to sort of
let it transform them and movethem, and then we can tell them,
Okay, well, guys, what does itlook like to actually be the
best of how do we do that? Let'stake this and do something with
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it. I think that, you know, therest of the story really has yet
to be written. I'm reallyexcited to see what happens as a
result of this learning in thiscity. And certainly, you know,
we're living in a moment youreferenced this a little bit.
You know, we have sort of risingforces of hatred, division, you
know, polarized politics. Thetemperature feels like it's just
(19:33):
really hot and high right now.
Antisemitism, of course, is apart of that mix. I guess I
would just ask you, like, ifwe're successful, what does it
look like? Right? That's afterthis leaves.
Elizabeth Pierce (19:53):
That is a great question that I think we
are still maybe going to explorethat, because we've been so
focused on a lot. Logistics andthe details, lighting and
getting it all organized and allof that. But I do think, like
what we've heard from othercommunities, as you said, are
stronger relationships that comeout of it, a greater awareness
of people throughout I thinkCincinnati does that pretty
(20:16):
well, but there's always youknow that that is a fire that
needs to be fed on a regularbasis. We need to keep
encouraging that relationship,building that understanding,
that breadth of humanity that wewant to see. I also think maybe,
as we see, I'd be curious tohear how teachers are going to
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embrace this exhibition, andthen how that will spur their
conversations in theirclassrooms forward. Because I
think the fundamental thing thatwe are struggling with right now
is a lack of productive dialog,and this exhibition gives us
another moment in time to say,let's talk about the power of
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connection and the power ofdialog and see where that takes
us.
Jackie Congedo (21:02):
Yeah, yeah. I - we're doing a lot of work right
now to get ready for the, youknow, teachers and students and
what sort of craft thatexperience holistically, because
certainly there will be the timethey spend in the exhibition. We
want to build a reallycomprehensive experience for
teachers and students that will,you know, equip them with what
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they need to know about, youknow, the human story, as you
said, who Jews are? What isantisemitism? That helps them
understand the gravity of thehistory through the exhibition
that helps them learn a littlebit more about the local
stories. You know, throughadditional time in our space or
with our speakers, and then onthe back end that helps them
connect to the characterstrengths and gives their
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students an actionable tool tosay, great, you know, let's,
let's talk about what this meansfor us today and how we can
activate that. So it'll beinteresting to see. But we
already have a lot of interestfrom, you know, teachers and
school districts saying this isa once in a lifetime opportunity
to be able to bring my kids tosee this. I get the feeling from
teachers and schools that thisis similar to being able to, you
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know, it's the same kind ofexcitement they would have if
they could take their kids to DCto see, you know, the museum in
Washington. So it's just anincredible gift to the
community. I think your yourleadership that has brought this
here, and the partnership, thepartners, make it happen. You
know, I am really hopeful thatit lives up to all of our
(22:30):
expectations and more, and that,like I said, the magic of when
the community can experiencethis, and what happens as a
result of that, it's going to bereally exciting. Is there
anything else that that youwould want to add? Or I would
also ask, like, you've seen thisexhibition a number of different
times in other cities, are, arethere like, moments that still
stick with you from seeing likein the exhibition itself that
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have
Elizabeth Pierce (22:57):
Yeah, well, you know, we talked a little bit
about the fact that I had nowalking in. I was I hadn't even
thought about Auschwitz as a asa community right prior to its
role at the camp. So I so thatwas one thing that really kind
of did take my breath away alittle bit. Oh, wait, Auschwitz
was this thriving place. And sojust the realization that it
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like something can so quickly beturned into something else.
Jackie Congedo (23:24):
Yeah.
Elizabeth Pierce (23:25):
So that very much stayed with me. You know, I
think the survivor testimoniesthat show up in the exhibition
are things that you can see herein your gallery. And so that was
another resonant connection,yeah, as well. And
(23:47):
understanding, like, just how totake some time and not rush
through the exhibition, right?
So museum people are the worstmuseum exhibit attendees. We
walk through very quickly.
Check, check, check, yeah, yeah,yeah. So just, you know, the
notion of, like, just, you know,take a deep breath and soak in
the information. And I think oneof the things, one of the
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tickets that we're going tooffer is the ability to kind of
come and go and, you know, gothrough it and come back again
and go through it another time.
So the ability to take your timethrough and be able to process
but, you know, I guess the otherthing I would say is, like, we
have a lot of pre time, sopeople should do - be curious
about it. They should come hereto your space and see this
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presentation and understand thelocal dynamic before the
exhibition comes. And hopefullythey will also do some
additional research or read upon a number of things that will
give them additional contextaround
Jackie Congedo (24:47):
it. Yeah, yeah.
I think there's a lot ofopportunity for folks to sort of
spend some time preparing.
Elizabeth Pierce (24:56):
Yes.
Jackie Congedo (24:57):
And to your point, I, um, the dwell time in
the exhibition, as compared toother exhibitions, is pretty has
been pretty long, right? Sopeople,
Elizabeth Pierce (25:09):
people want to take their time with the
information,
Jackie Congedo (25:12):
Right. Exactly.
So, you know, being able to comeand experience some of the
stories beforehand to anchoryourself and sort of the core
tenants of the history and thelocal layer of this beforehand,
I think will be really helpfulfor people.
Elizabeth Pierce (25:26):
There's also the Auschwitz State Birkenau
Museum has a podcast called "OnAuschwitz," and the curator from
Poland leads that podcast. He'sbeen a central part of the
presentation as well. So that'sanother resource in addition to
the material that you're puttingout. So there are a variety of
ways to kind of really getyourself grounded in and have a
(25:50):
sense of what you're going tosee, and then still be moved by
seeing the objects and hearingthe information.
Jackie Congedo (25:56):
Yeah. And it's going to be, you know, this is
a, this is a big operation foreven, you know, the incredible,
I would say, the wizards on yourteam at the museum center, you
guys are going to be moving toseven days a week, timed
ticketing. I mean, this is goingto be a lot of people in other
cities, we've seen up to 300,000people.
Elizabeth Pierce (26:17):
Oh, and I really, I'm hoping that we'll be
able to engage local andregional communities to come. So
the way to bring all these otherplaces, they often come for
other exhibitions. This is goingto be similar in that regard.
And I think it's a greatopportunity for the broader
region, because we know thatthere are survivor stories in
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Cleveland, in Columbus, inLouisville, in Indianapolis,
right? This is a place wherethey can come. Visitors from
those communities can organizethemselves and
Jackie Congedo (26:49):
our collective history,
Elizabeth Pierce (26:51):
exactly, yeah, be able to really kind of pull
in a number of differentregional areas,
Jackie Congedo (26:55):
yeah. So tickets are on sale, yes. And we would
recommend that folks get theirtickets in advance. You'll also
see when you go to purchase aticket, there's a special add on
for HHC, which gives sort ofadditional context for the local
history and also the connectionfor our world today and this
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humanity layer and up standard.
And so you get a little discountif you get your Auschwitz ticket
and you bundle it with the HHCticket. So go online the museum
center. Museum Center's website,get your tickets. Sign up for a
time, because it's going to beit's going to be packed, right?
And we're just really excited tobring this to the community, and
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so grateful for the partnershipof our friends at the museum
center for your your leadership,really, and being the driving
force to bring this here. It's,you know, I speaking personally,
and I know for our team, we feellike this is the kind of the
opportunity of a lifetime to beable to share these stories on a
on a really grand scale, and doit at a time when we all feel
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the weight of the world.
Elizabeth Pierce (28:04):
It just makes perfect sense to be able to
bring us here to the Cincinnati,but specifically to this
building. Yeah, I think so.
Jackie Congedo (28:11):
And as I said, what I said, the magic component
is YOU so we can't wait to seewhat your takeaway is when, when
you come see this, and how thischanges us, changes us as a city
and as a region for the better.
Thank you so much for spendingtime with me today and onward.
Elizabeth Pierce (28:28):
Here we go.
Jackie Congedo (28:29):
This is a production of the Nancy & David
Wolf Holocaust & HumanityCenter. The Center's mission is
to ensure that the lessons ofthe Holocaust inspire action
today. This series is part ofthe Cynthia and Harold Guttman
Family Center for Storytelling.
Special thanks to Julie and JohnCohen for their support of this
series. Visit us in person athistoric Union Terminal in
Cincinnati, Ohio, or onlineanytime at
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holocaustandhumanity.org.
Managing producer is AnneThompson. Technical producer is
Robert Mills, and TechnicalDirector is Josh Emerson.
Additional video production byMichael holder. Visit Auschwitz.
Not long ago. Not far away atUnion Terminal, beginning in
October 2025.
Auschwitz is a name the world can't forget. At
the Nancy and David WolfHolocaust and Humanity Center,
we've made it part of ourmission to understand its impact
by learning from those whosurvived and came to Cincinnati.
In this limited series, we sharethose stories of courage loss
and the ripple effects stillfelt today. Hi. I'm Jackie
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Congedo, and welcome to aspecial edition of the Upstander
Ripple Effect where we arejoined by the incredible
Elizabeth Pierce, the Presidentand CEO of the Cincinnati museum
center, to talk a little bitabout our collaboration between
the Nancy and David WolfHolocaust and Humanity Center
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and the Cincinnati museum centerto bring the Auschwitz traveling
exhibition called "Auschwitz.
Not long ago. Not far away."here to Union Terminal in the
fall of this year, an incrediblyexciting opportunity for our
community, and I think, a timelyone as well. This is the largest
collection of artifacts anddocuments outside of Auschwitz
to ever be presented in NorthAmerica, and it has only made a
few stops in North America. Sowe really will be hosting this
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incredible exhibition forbasically the totality of the
Midwest coming in the fall.
Elizabeth Pierce (01:15):
Yes,
Jackie Congedo (01:16):
tell me a little bit about you know you were in
these conversations before I waseven a thing at HHC, before I
had joined the team here. Talkbring me back to sort of when
this first came across yourdesk, and why this was a real
priority for you and your teamat the museum center.
Elizabeth Pierce (01:33):
So it was created in 2017/2018. It was at
and I are going to today.
the Kansas City Union Stationcenter in 2019 and we do a lot
of benchmarking with that groupthere. They're also in a
restored train station. Theyalso have a large exhibition
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space and and I just knew thatit was having a tremendous
impact on that community. Therewere hundreds of, thousands of,
people coming in the GreaterKansas City, Midwest area, there
to see this exhibition. And sothat's how it became on my radar
screen. We, of course, weremoving back into Union Terminal.
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Holocaust and Humanity Centerwas opening here at Union
terminal at that time, and thenwe have COVID, so everything got
shut down. So I've paidattention to it as it's been in
different places, and talked tothe curator and talked to
partners who have had it,knowing that in the back of my
mind, like that's something thatneeds to come to Cincinnati, and
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it clearly needs to be in thisfor all the connections that
Jackie Congedo (02:41):
Yeah, so let's, let's talk a little bit more
about that. I, one of the thingsI'm so excited about for this
joint effort is, and reallyit's, I say, joint it's you and
I and our teams and theorganizations, but also a number
of other players, World Heritageexhibitions, the Auschwitz
Birkenau State Museum andMusealia, which is, you know,
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the curator of this exhibition,and a number of other thought
leaders and scholars who cametogether to put this, this
incredible learning, publiclearning experience together.
What makes it so - what makes itso tough? Let's talk about how
unique it is that it's going tobe in this space that is, as you
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said, a train station. And weknow, obviously, in the work
that we do at HHC, thesignificance of trains and the
history. And if you've ever beento HHC, or if you haven't come
down before the Auschwitzexhibition, you can take a look
and learn for yourself. Butthis, this concept of, you know,
trains, of course, during thehistory that brought people to
death, but also in thisbuilding, there
Elizabeth Pierce (03:41):
brought people to their new lives.
Jackie Congedo (03:43):
Yes, and this concept of rebuilding and local
survivors and resilience andhope that I think is anchors us
in our work. So, you know, we'regoing to get to tell this story
in a place where the history, Ialways say, the global history,
became local history. What doesthat you know, as you've been
thinking about the power ofthat, what does that mean to
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you?
Elizabeth Pierce (04:04):
Well, it just - we have this incredible moment
and opportunity in this buildingto be able to bring these, these
traveling exhibitions, to bringthe world to Cincinnati. We've
done that consistently over thelast 20 years. We brought the
Vatican exhibition, we broughtthe Cleopatra exhibition. We
brought the Dead Sea Scrollsexhibition, so Auschwitz. Not
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long ago. Not far away. beingable to be a part of that body
of work made so much sense. And,you know, I was jumping up and
down with the exhibit producerswho were like, Oh, we might take
it to Chicago. We might send itto a bigger city. I said, "No,
no, it has to come here. It hasto come here because of the
history of the building, and italso has to come here because
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Nancy & David Wolf Holocaust andHumanity Center has put the
emphasis on humanity and thecall to action of what one does
as one has been presented withthis information." So to be able
to have your unique approach towrap around and channel the
emotion that will be generatedas people bear witness to this
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is unique in every presentationthat it's been around the globe.
So Cincinnati gets to dosomething that nobody else has
been able to do.
Jackie Congedo (05:18):
Yeah, and I think you could tell you know,
when the World Heritage teamcame and were sort of, they
obviously know the museum centerwell, right with you all in
another number of otherexhibitions, but came to see, to
see this space, to see theHolocaust and Humanity Center
Museum, that was, I think,abundantly clear to them that,
you know, we have this approachthat, yes, is anchored in the
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gravity of the history, and youknow the consequences of the
history, but really, you know atits core, and this comes from
our local survivors, right? It'snot enough just to teach the
history. We have to askourselves, "What does that ask
of us today, and how can weactually use this as a
foundation for inspiration? Youknow, we know what, what the
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worst of humanity looks like.
It's really, actually not enoughto say, let's not be the worst.
Let's talk about what it lookslike to be the good." So you
know, I'm excited to see what wecan do in partnership, which our
teams are feverishly planningright now, to make sure that we
can sort of use this experienceas a sort of an alchemist, to
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bring people in in a way that iscompelling and grounded in this,
in the truth and the thehistorical facts of what
happened, And then to sort ofcatalyze this spirit of
upstanding to come out of it. Sowe're doing that in a couple of
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ways. The first things talk alittle bit about, like, what's
going to be different in thispresentation. So the first thing
is, we have the amazing fortuneof sort of being the guardians
of the local stories, people whocame here with nothing and found
the resilience in themselves to,you know, build new lives, to
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contribute to this community, tobuild this incredible
institution, this museum. And sosome of those stories are sort
of people who survivedAuschwitz, right? We're going to
be able to actually integratethose local stories into the
exhibition itself. So when youcome through, if you've been to
the one in Boston or, you know,it's in Toronto right now, you
should still come again, becauseit will be a different
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experience.
Elizabeth Pierce (07:36):
And even if you've gone to DC and seen the
National Museum, this is goingto be a unique a different
experience than what you've seenthere. There will be themes and
threads that are similar. But toyour point, we get to integrate
some of the local stories intoand be a part of this global
exhibition,
Jackie Congedo (07:47):
yeah, yeah. So we'll have, we'll have those
local stories intertwined, andthen we're going to, we're doing
a lot of work on the sort of thebefore and the after aspects of
this that you know, that theeducation and sort of resources
that people will have access tobefore they come in and after
they leave that are grounded inthis call to be the best of
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humanity today. So you know thecharacter strengths which help
us understand our own capacityto be what we call upstanders.
And how do we introduce peopleto that framework and give them
some tools to do something withthe feelings, as you said,
these, I think, veryconsequential and heavy feelings
that that people are going tohave when they leave this
exhibition. Let's talk aboutjust the core of the exhibition
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itself. What kinds of things canpeople expect to see when they
when they come in? You know,this is obviously billed as the
largest collection of artifactsoutside Auschwitz to ever be
presented in North America. Whatkinds of things will people be
able to experience andencounter?
Elizabeth Pierce (08:51):
Well, I think the physicality of the camp will
be presented in a way throughconcrete pillars and barbed wire
and a barrack that they've beenable to rebuild and travel. So
you'll get a sense of kind ofwhat it was like to be there.
From that perspective. There area number of art pieces that are
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going to help tell the story alittle bit more, as well as
artifacts from people who wereat the camp. So you will see
things that belong to peoplethat were taken from them when
they arrived. You will also seekind of stories of Auschwitz as
a community prior to it beingdetermined to be the death camp
that it became. It was athriving medieval community for
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800 years before the Nazisshowed up and decided to make it
what we know it as now. And Ithink the reality that it sat on
this transportation crossroadand this economic crossroad is
why they chose it for thisultimate destiny. But you know,
I think understanding thatAuschwitz was a place unto
itself, so you get a littlesense of that and some some
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material culture from thecommunity prior to the Nazis
arriving.
Jackie Congedo (10:05):
Yeah. And I think, I actually think that is
so important, particularly forthe times we're living in,
because the more we again cansort of conceptualize this or
put this in a place in our ownminds that's long ago and far
away, to use the branding of theexhibition, the less we can hold
that this was something thathuman beings built, human beings
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participated in, you know, and
Elizabeth Pierce (10:31):
that it was happening right over there.
Jackie Congedo (10:33):
Yeah, exactly.
This was a town with people whowent home next door and tended
their gardens and fed theirfamilies and then went back to
work at the at the gas chambers,right? So we have to hold the
weight and complexity of thefact that as people, we are
capable of the best of humanityand the worst of humanity. And I
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think Auschwitz, Auschwitz hasbecome this reminder of that for
us, collectively as a society,as a human family, that you know
what happened there? The worst,absolute worst of humanity
happened there, perpetrated byeveryday people and also the
resilience, great stories,incredible stories of survival,
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of people who held hope amidstthese incredibly horrific
conditions and dehumanizingframeworks rescue. So we have,
and we we have a lot of thosestories in terms of local people
who you know, who live them. Sowe're really excited to bring
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that to folks in Cincinnati, butalso more regionally, right? How
is this curated in a way that'sthat's accessible for people?
Can you talk a little bit about,like, the experience of being in
the exhibition? I think there'sa lot of folks who might feel
like, you know, I'm not surethat I have it in me
Elizabeth Pierce (12:00):
Yes,
Jackie Congedo (12:00):
given the weight of our world to go see this,
what would you say to encouragefolks that you know, this is
something that is accessible,that's built to be consumed.
Elizabeth Pierce (12:10):
You know, there it's built across a number
of learning styles. So therewill be an audio guide. There
will be panels where you canread and take your time and work
your way through things. Thereare large scale objects, like we
talked about, and small scaleobjects. And so it'll flow. And
you know, there's videothroughout - some news footage
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of the day, and then familyvideo that shows like life
before and what was lost. And soit's going to be a range of
content in a way that people cankind of consume and dip in and
out. It's not so linear andchronological that you have to,
like, you know, walk through itvery meth in a very specific
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way. But, and, you know, andI've seen it now twice, and I've
kind of meandered through andpicked up different things at
each time. And so I think itwill be accessible to, to a high
school audience, a collegeaudience, an adult audience, you
know, maybe junior high as itkind of tracks a little bit
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with, with how you guys bringstudents in as well. I didn't
find it. It wasn't overlygraphic and disturbing from that
perspective. It's more justdisturbing that you're standing
in this space that is resonantof and so you know, then being
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able to intersperse that withthe stories of the survivors
that came from the videos thatare there, and then to have our
local stories added to it, Ithink will lift up that holding
of hope and that that energythat that people use to spur
their lives forward.
Jackie Congedo (13:55):
Yeah, I know that, you know, in our survivor
community, the the folks we'vewe work with, and you know who,
who have history, family historytied to Auschwitz, are...
excited is not the right word, Ithink, grateful. And see this as
a real opportunity to infuse thestory that really can be
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centered around dehumanizationwith with the sense of humanity,
and not just humanity, localhumanity. So you know, when you
come into this exhibition, folkslike Steve Coppel, whose father,
Werner, was really at thefoundations of building the
Holocaust and Humanity Center,what is now HHC, arrived in this
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building with a wife, a baby,and a suitcase. And he always
would say, "That started thesecond part of my life, or that
ended the first part of mylife," reflecting on sort of
that, you know, these were twowildly. He was almost like he
lived two different, twodifferent experiences,
experiences, existences. And so,you know. So people will have
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the power before they see any ofthe artifacts, or are sort of
immersed in, you know, thesepieces that that help them get a
sense of what the camp was like.
They will hear from Steve
Elizabeth Pierce (15:17):
Right,
Jackie Congedo (15:17):
that this history
Elizabeth Pierce (15:20):
is my family history,
Jackie Congedo (15:21):
is my family history. And it happened
actually in this building rightthe my the rebirth, the new
life, the new second chapter formy family.
Elizabeth Pierce (15:30):
The number of people that I've already talked
to about this that say, Oh myGod, I've had chills like it. In
their emotional core, theyrespond to it, yeah, just like I
am right now.
Jackie Congedo (15:42):
And that's, I think, that is the power of it.
That's the power of it beingtold here. That's the power of
being able to lift up thesevoices of survivors and their
children, because, because, Ithink, you know, we have
something really, we have astory that we should, we should
be proud to tell here, which isabout resilience and rebuilding
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and hope and new life, and theway this this community is a
city embraced a group of peoplewho were refugees, who were
refugees.
Elizabeth Pierce (16:15):
It's also interesting to put it in the
broader context of the historyof this community, over 200 plus
years of waves of immigrationcoming here, right? So it's
interesting to me to have thedepth of Jewish history in
Cincinnati, to also kind of be apart of that story, because we
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celebrated the bicentennial ofJewish Cincinnati several years
ago, and so just to know thatlike this, is a place that has
is rooted in culture, is rootedin this resilience of community
building over many, many years.
You know, one of the storiesabout this building during the
World War Two is that it's thefirst USO, essentially in the
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country that gets establishedhere, and it's staffed in this
very ecumenical way by women ofProtestant, Jewish and Catholic
traditions coming here to help,like care for the soldiers as
they are crisscrossing thecountry in and out of this train
station. So the just this layerupon layer of Cincinnati that I
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think people are going todiscover also, and this
exhibition is going to createconversations for people to
have. And you know, as peoplesay, "Oh, I knew that person.
Oh, I knew that family. I didn'tknow that part of that family
history, but they've been avibrant member of the community"
is the example, is theresilience, is the thing that we
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want to be teaching the nextgeneration, that we want to be
reminding ourselves of right nowas well. So, yeah, it's, it's
layered and rich,
Jackie Congedo (17:54):
yeah, yeah. I think that's well said. And you
know the magic of museums isthat the story is still, still
isn't written, because themissing piece is the people come
and experience it, and whathappens as a result of, I mean,
we know this in Kansas City andin other cities where this has
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been, you know, folks haveshared that there was actually
sort of a measurable, seismicdifference in the way community
cohesion and this
Elizabeth Pierce (18:27):
uptick in relationships and understanding
and, yeah, yeah,
Jackie Congedo (18:31):
because, you know, there really is nothing
like being confronted with theconsequences of lack of that
right, like unchecked hatred,division, dehumanizing forces,
you know, these can lead totruly catastrophic things. So
when we're you know, when thewhen the consequences of that
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are laid bare, and people canexperience it, can experience it
in a way that's grounded in thehistory, that's grounded in the
personal, local narratives, andthey have the space to sort of
let it transform them and movethem, and then we can tell them,
Okay, well, guys, what does itlook like to actually be the
best of how do we do that? Let'stake this and do something with
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it. I think that, you know, therest of the story really has yet
to be written. I'm reallyexcited to see what happens as a
result of this learning in thiscity. And certainly, you know,
we're living in a moment youreferenced this a little bit.
You know, we have sort of risingforces of hatred, division, you
know, polarized politics. Thetemperature feels like it's just
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really hot and high right now.
Antisemitism, of course, is apart of that mix. I guess I
would just ask you, like, ifwe're successful, what does it
look like? Right? That's afterthis leaves.
Elizabeth Pierce (19:53):
That is a great question that I think we
are still maybe going to explorethat, because we've been so
focused on a lot. Logistics andthe details, lighting and
getting it all organized and allof that. But I do think, like
what we've heard from othercommunities, as you said, are
stronger relationships that comeout of it, a greater awareness
of people throughout I thinkCincinnati does that pretty
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well, but there's always youknow that that is a fire that
needs to be fed on a regularbasis. We need to keep
encouraging that relationship,building that understanding,
that breadth of humanity that wewant to see. I also think maybe,
as we see, I'd be curious tohear how teachers are going to
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embrace this exhibition, andthen how that will spur their
conversations in theirclassrooms forward. Because I
think the fundamental thing thatwe are struggling with right now
is a lack of productive dialog,and this exhibition gives us
another moment in time to say,let's talk about the power of
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connection and the power ofdialog and see where that takes
us.
Jackie Congedo (21:02):
Yeah, yeah. I - we're doing a lot of work right
now to get ready for the, youknow, teachers and students and
what sort of craft thatexperience holistically, because
certainly there will be the timethey spend in the exhibition. We
want to build a reallycomprehensive experience for
teachers and students that will,you know, equip them with what
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they need to know about, youknow, the human story, as you
said, who Jews are? What isantisemitism? That helps them
understand the gravity of thehistory through the exhibition
that helps them learn a littlebit more about the local
stories. You know, throughadditional time in our space or
with our speakers, and then onthe back end that helps them
connect to the characterstrengths and gives their
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students an actionable tool tosay, great, you know, let's,
let's talk about what this meansfor us today and how we can
activate that. So it'll beinteresting to see. But we
already have a lot of interestfrom, you know, teachers and
school districts saying this isa once in a lifetime opportunity
to be able to bring my kids tosee this. I get the feeling from
teachers and schools that thisis similar to being able to, you
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know, it's the same kind ofexcitement they would have if
they could take their kids to DCto see, you know, the museum in
Washington. So it's just anincredible gift to the
community. I think your yourleadership that has brought this
here, and the partnership, thepartners, make it happen. You
know, I am really hopeful thatit lives up to all of our
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expectations and more, and that,like I said, the magic of when
the community can experiencethis, and what happens as a
result of that, it's going to bereally exciting. Is there
anything else that that youwould want to add? Or I would
also ask, like, you've seen thisexhibition a number of different
times in other cities, are, arethere like, moments that still
stick with you from seeing likein the exhibition itself that
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have
Elizabeth Pierce (22:57):
Yeah, well, you know, we talked a little bit
about the fact that I had nowalking in. I was I hadn't even
thought about Auschwitz as a asa community right prior to its
role at the camp. So I so thatwas one thing that really kind
of did take my breath away alittle bit. Oh, wait, Auschwitz
was this thriving place. And sojust the realization that it
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like something can so quickly beturned into something else.
Jackie Congedo (23:24):
Yeah.
Elizabeth Pierce (23:25):
So that very much stayed with me. You know, I
think the survivor testimoniesthat show up in the exhibition
are things that you can see herein your gallery. And so that was
another resonant connection,yeah, as well. And
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understanding, like, just how totake some time and not rush
through the exhibition, right?
So museum people are the worstmuseum exhibit attendees. We
walk through very quickly.
Check, check, check, yeah, yeah,yeah. So just, you know, the
notion of, like, just, you know,take a deep breath and soak in
the information. And I think oneof the things, one of the
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tickets that we're going tooffer is the ability to kind of
come and go and, you know, gothrough it and come back again
and go through it another time.
So the ability to take your timethrough and be able to process
but, you know, I guess the otherthing I would say is, like, we
have a lot of pre time, sopeople should do - be curious
about it. They should come hereto your space and see this
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presentation and understand thelocal dynamic before the
exhibition comes. And hopefullythey will also do some
additional research or read upon a number of things that will
give them additional contextaround
Jackie Congedo (24:47):
it. Yeah, yeah.
I think there's a lot ofopportunity for folks to sort of
spend some time preparing.
Elizabeth Pierce (24:56):
Yes.
Jackie Congedo (24:57):
And to your point, I, um, the dwell time in
the exhibition, as compared toother exhibitions, is pretty has
been pretty long, right? Sopeople,
Elizabeth Pierce (25:09):
people want to take their time with the
information,
Jackie Congedo (25:12):
Right. Exactly.
So, you know, being able to comeand experience some of the
stories beforehand to anchoryourself and sort of the core
tenants of the history and thelocal layer of this beforehand,
I think will be really helpfulfor people.
Elizabeth Pierce (25:26):
There's also the Auschwitz State Birkenau
Museum has a podcast called "OnAuschwitz," and the curator from
Poland leads that podcast. He'sbeen a central part of the
presentation as well. So that'sanother resource in addition to
the material that you're puttingout. So there are a variety of
ways to kind of really getyourself grounded in and have a
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sense of what you're going tosee, and then still be moved by
seeing the objects and hearingthe information.
Jackie Congedo (25:56):
Yeah. And it's going to be, you know, this is
a, this is a big operation foreven, you know, the incredible,
I would say, the wizards on yourteam at the museum center, you
guys are going to be moving toseven days a week, timed
ticketing. I mean, this is goingto be a lot of people in other
cities, we've seen up to 300,000people.
Elizabeth Pierce (26:17):
Oh, and I really, I'm hoping that we'll be
able to engage local andregional communities to come. So
the way to bring all these otherplaces, they often come for
other exhibitions. This is goingto be similar in that regard.
And I think it's a greatopportunity for the broader
region, because we know thatthere are survivor stories in
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Cleveland, in Columbus, inLouisville, in Indianapolis,
right? This is a place wherethey can come. Visitors from
those communities can organizethemselves and
Jackie Congedo (26:49):
our collective history,
Elizabeth Pierce (26:51):
exactly, yeah, be able to really kind of pull
in a number of differentregional areas,
Jackie Congedo (26:55):
yeah. So tickets are on sale, yes. And we would
recommend that folks get theirtickets in advance. You'll also
see when you go to purchase aticket, there's a special add on
for HHC, which gives sort ofadditional context for the local
history and also the connectionfor our world today and this
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humanity layer and up standard.
And so you get a little discountif you get your Auschwitz ticket
and you bundle it with the HHCticket. So go online the museum
center. Museum Center's website,get your tickets. Sign up for a
time, because it's going to beit's going to be packed, right?
And we're just really excited tobring this to the community, and
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so grateful for the partnershipof our friends at the museum
center for your your leadership,really, and being the driving
force to bring this here. It's,you know, I speaking personally,
and I know for our team, we feellike this is the kind of the
opportunity of a lifetime to beable to share these stories on a
on a really grand scale, and doit at a time when we all feel
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the weight of the world.
Elizabeth Pierce (28:04):
It just makes perfect sense to be able to
bring us here to the Cincinnati,but specifically to this
building. Yeah, I think so.
Jackie Congedo (28:11):
And as I said, what I said, the magic component
is YOU so we can't wait to seewhat your takeaway is when, when
you come see this, and how thischanges us, changes us as a city
and as a region for the better.
Thank you so much for spendingtime with me today and onward.
Elizabeth Pierce (28:28):
Here we go.
Jackie Congedo (28:29):
This is a production of the Nancy & David
Wolf Holocaust & HumanityCenter. The Center's mission is
to ensure that the lessons ofthe Holocaust inspire action
today. This series is part ofthe Cynthia and Harold Guttman
Family Center for Storytelling.
Special thanks to Julie and JohnCohen for their support of this
series. Visit us in person athistoric Union Terminal in
Cincinnati, Ohio, or onlineanytime at
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holocaustandhumanity.org.
Managing producer is AnneThompson. Technical producer is
Robert Mills, and TechnicalDirector is Josh Emerson.
Additional video production byMichael holder. Visit Auschwitz.
Not long ago. Not far away atUnion Terminal, beginning in
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