February 23, 2025 • 38 mins
Rebecca Shaper shares her transformative journey through loss, trauma, and healing, emphasizing the profound connection between humans and their dogs. She highlights the role of nature and spirituality in overcoming grief, offering insights on how to find messages from our loved ones beyond death.
• Exploring the historical bond between humans and dogs
• Rebecca's personal experiences with loss and trauma
• The healing power found in nature and shamanism
• Communication with spirits through animal companions
• The significance of the book "Roses to Rainbow"
• Encouragement to embrace grief as a path to joy
• Recognizing signs from loved ones in the natural world
• The transformational journey of turning pain into purpose
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John (00:36):
The relationship between humans and dogs is a tale as old
as civilization itself.
From ancient wolves who firstwandered into our ancestors'
fireside glow to the devotedcompanions curled up beside us
today, dogs have always found away into our hearts.
This bond, built on centuriesof mutual benefit and deep
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connection, speaks to anunspoken understanding between
two very different species.
For us, dogs are more than justpets.
They are family healers andsteadfast friends.
They greet us withunconditional love, offering
solace during our hardest daysand joy in our simplest moments.
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Their presence can lower ourstress, ease our loneliness and
remind us to find the beauty inthe present moment.
Their ability to read ouremotions and respond with
empathy is a testament to howintertwined our lives have
become.
Rebecca (01:38):
My mother was an alcoholic because she was trying
to mask her feelings ofhallucination and whatever.
I think she was channelingother entities and it just
haunted her.
But then, 11 years later, myfather died by suicide.
He shot himself in the heart inthe shower and I just remember
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going into his room shower and Ijust remember going into his
room.
I asked him if he was going tokill himself and he said no.
But I knew down deep inside atsome point it would happen.
John (02:14):
Our guest today is a gentle soul with a warrior's
heart.
She has journeyed throughprofound loss, childhood trauma
and the complexities of mentalillness with her family, yet
merged with deep compassion andunwavering connection to the
unseen world.
Her story is one oftransformation, finding healing
through nature, exploringshamanic traditions and sharing
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her truth through film andwriting.
Welcome back, I'm John Moore,your host.
You are listening to the UrbanGrease Shamans.
Rebecca (02:47):
I was sitting out in the back of our house and I was
talking to his best friend,who's a preacher, days after he
had passed and he wanted acertain way on how my brother's
funeral should be.
And these two hawks are sittingin the tree and they were
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screaming I mean screeching andI knew that was my brother.
Intuitively, I knew he wassaying no.
John (03:18):
This is our guest, rebecca Shaper.
Rebecca dedicates her life toguiding others on their healing
journey, drawing from her ownprofound experiences of trauma,
loss and spiritual awakening.
Through her work as a filmmaker, author and spiritual seeker,
she shares stories that inspireresilience and hope.
Join us in our conversation.
Rebecca (03:40):
When I reflect back in my childhood and after what you
were saying.
When I reflect back in mychildhood and after what you
were saying, I felt a guardianangel with me.
I felt because it was almostlike knowing what was going on
with both of my parents and Iunderstood it at a deep level.
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I knew this is happening for areason At the age of 15, I'm not
sure if you were the caretakerof your parents, but I saw some
very traumatic situations, but Ialways felt protected.
I had a very inner strengthwithin me when my brother Carl,
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who was diagnosed with paranoidschizophrenia, he left in 1980,
was it 1977?
He left for 20 years and he washomeless, but I always knew he
was alive.
When we found each otherthrough a miracle, that's when
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the healing really started withhim and with me.
Because he was oldest, I feltlike he took on a lot of the
trauma and I took on a differenttype of trauma.
We just dealt with itseparately.
I went away and he wenthomeless.
He was the catalyst of the filmA Sister's Call.
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Without him it never would havebeen made and I wouldn't have
been able to have theopportunity to help so many
people who've gone through suchtragedies, but I also felt like
it was a soul calling.
It wasn't me, it was my soulsaying you need to do this.
It was almost like my brotherknew when we met, when we found
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each other through a miracle, heknew the same thing, but we
never really exchanged thatpurpose with each other.
We just did it, and it took 14years.
But I feel very blessed foreverything that happened in my
life because I've been able tohelp people.
John (05:57):
I just wanted to step back a few steps as we move back to
your younger years.
But you also had mentioned wasit both your parents committed
suicide.
Rebecca (06:08):
Both died by suicide.
My mother was an alcoholic andtrying to mask her feelings I
think she was channeling otherentities and it haunted her.
11 years later, my father diedby suicide.
He shot himself in the heart inthe shower.
I remember going into his room,the bedroom, talking to him and
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asking him and I said I need asign Plus.
I asked him if he was going tokill himself and he said no.
But I knew deep inside it wouldhappen.
John (06:48):
Was it triggered just from his being an abuser?
Rebecca (06:53):
He abused me and I found out later that he abused
my older daughter, which wasdevastating.
John (07:02):
He suffered with PTSD from the war and I also found out
that he was abused by a scoutleader.
How did you, when you wereyounger, cope with the?
Rebecca (07:18):
abuse.
I remember I would kick him outof the bed and he would come in
and I would just kick him outof the bed and he would come in
and I would just kick him out,I'd kick him out of the bed and
finally, honestly I don'tremember how I think I just told
him to stop and then it stoppedand unfortunately my mother
never knew because she was inheavy drug medication.
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But yeah.
John (07:48):
Was shame a big burden for you at that age, or was it
buried?
Rebecca (07:53):
It's interesting.
You ask that I never felt shame.
I didn't feel guilty.
I didn't think it was my fault.
I just knew I had to do what Ihad to do.
That's the best way I canexplain it.
It needed to stop.
John (08:12):
How do you, when you look back on your life I mean, it's
an odd way of looking at it, butall our challenges seem to be
for some kind of a purpose.
The grief that we carry is thatgrinding stone that hones us
into diamonds you know if wehave that inclination.
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How did you look back on thatyounger self?
Rebecca (08:43):
Are you asking how I look back at myself growing?
John (08:48):
up those early life experiences?
How do they contribute to whoyou are now?
Rebecca (08:54):
Oh wow, a lot more compassion for people, a better
understanding for people.
Really at a deep, deep soullevel.
Intuitively I can sense where aperson is.
It gave me a lot of experienceas well.
I'm very grateful for it.
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The callings I've had in mylife Go back to how I grew up.
You can take it on and use itto serve others, or it could
really debilitate you.
I chose to serve others throughmy experience.
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I have no psychology degree,it's just all experience.
John (09:44):
It gave me a lot of strength In your life with Carl.
Did you have much time togetheras teenagers before he?
Rebecca (09:52):
left?
That's a very good question.
Yeah, and I could see the angerwith him, but then when he left
, I was still in high school andhe went on to college.
In high school and he went onto college and then I got
married later on and then hetook off and left for over 20
years back and forth, but Inever saw him.
John (10:14):
What was that relationship like when you were still in
school?
Rebecca (10:19):
He had anger towards me .
How did that?
John (10:22):
affect you towards me.
Rebecca (10:28):
How did that affect you ?
I had a great high school years.
I mean honestly, my high schoolyears were phenomenal, so I was
very grateful for that.
But when he disappeared, Ialways knew he was alive and we
found each other.
It's like our relationshipbecame very, came very close.
His angle was gone.
John (10:46):
You reunited.
You're saying Go ahead, whatfilled in the relationship for
you after that, the comingtogether?
Rebecca (10:55):
I saw the person and and within it I saw his soul and
I saw my brother, who reallywas down deep inside.
His anger was not towards me,it was towards my parents.
I wanted to show people that,even though he was diagnosed
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with paranoid schizophrenia, hehad a soul and he was a gentle
giant and I remember times hewould call me on the phone and
ask about hey, Rebecca, how'syour daughter?
It's almost like he was verytelepathic and could pick up on
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energy.
She was going through strugglesherself.
He taught me patience.
He taught me patience.
He taught me patience.
John (11:47):
When did you start writing the book about him?
Rebecca (11:51):
The film came first and that exposed everything as I
was growing up.
And then I was done and I hadanother soul calling that I
needed to write the book.
He had already passed in 2012,.
And 2015 was when the book waspublished and he was telling me
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Rebecca, you're not done.
John (12:17):
What was said in the book that wasn't said in the film?
Rebecca (12:20):
It was a lot more spiritual In the book that
wasn't said in the film.
It was a lot more spiritual.
It connected nature into it andhow he would be present with me
when I would see hawks.
I'll never forget one time.
I'll give you a very goodexample.
I was sitting out in the backof our house and I was talking
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to his best friend who's apreacher days after he had
passed, and he wanted a certainway on how my brother's funeral
should be, and these two hawksare sitting in the tree and they
were screeching.
I knew that was my brother,intuitively.
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The funeral plans were hisfavorite songs.
My daughter, who was sitting inthe kitchen.
She came out and she goes Mom,what is that noise?
So she witnessed it as well.
I knew that was himcommunicating At the funeral.
We all went to our beach housemy husband, my two daughters and
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myself.
There were nine hawks flyingright above us.
I just get tears and goosebumpsbecause I love how nature
speaks to us if we just listen.
John (13:38):
The thing that made it such a delight meeting you for
the first time was your joy, andwe had a good laugh and I
really had a good time.
It wasn't a long time, but Icertainly enjoyed myself.
I was even receiving a littleenergy from you, a little power
energy, you know a little top up.
I was just wondering do you cryoften?
Rebecca (14:01):
I have, yes, I do, and I'm not always hippie, hot or
joyful.
No, yeah, there are times whenI have bad days and I think,
okay, what's going on?
And I go with them.
John (14:14):
Do you think our grief makes extra room for joy, if we
allow it?
Rebecca (14:24):
Sure, I think I understand what you're saying.
Yeah.
John (14:28):
The reason why I mentioned it.
I know I've said it before.
On a podcast, this man whoteaches a lot of grief workshops
, Francis Weller, was telling astory about this woman and an
African.
He was surprised at just howbeaming this lady was, with the
smiles and laughing reallypresent, but the village was
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obviously a place that didn'thave a lot of wealth or
abundance.
He was wondering why she's sohappy, why is she laughing so
much, when all around kind oflooks a bit dark.
And she says that's because Icry so much and I never forgot
that quote of his.
And I don't know.
I find a lot of joy andhappiness but a lot of laughter
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comes my way, Either the peoplethat I meet or myself, and I
think that growing up with thesedifferent periods of grief does
work.
Rebecca (15:20):
Yeah, absolutely does work.
Yeah, absolutely.
John (15:22):
So after your brother's passing there was a bit of time
there.
I'm trying to figure out whendid your shamanic path start, or
was it Gus who came first?
Rebecca (15:36):
Well, I always wanted to learn about shamanism ever
since I was little, and so whenGus passed away I think it was a
month prior is when I startedwith the Peruvian shamans in
Peru and I just felt like I washome and Gus was.
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Then, when he passed away, itbroke my oh, my gosh, that was
grief.
That hit me hard.
John (16:07):
So you had started on your path before.
Rebecca (16:09):
About a month prior to his passing, he passed December
7th, 2023.
And that was worse than losingmy parents.
He was like my soul dog.
He was my cold pilot.
There was just somethingextremely special about both of
us.
It's almost like we knew eachother in past life.
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He knew me, I knew him, I couldlook at him, he could look at
me and we could speak to eachother telepathically when he
passed.
I still get choked up.
He taught me a lot on the otherside through Sunny, who was the
pet communicator.
She would communicate to my dog, gus, in the afterlife and some
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of the messages that he wouldreveal to her is that I needed
to get going on my shamanicpractice.
He was very adamant about me.
I had some roadblocks in theway and I'm still learning a lot
.
It's kind of a slow process forme, but I absolutely love it
and he was pushing me.
John (17:15):
What was the draw for you to turn to shamanism?
Rebecca (17:21):
It's all about nature.
What was it you were seeing innature?
Wow, I feel like nature speaksto me.
I speak to nature.
It's an energy that I just feelsuch a connection to everything
the trees, the birds, theanimals.
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I've been totally blessed bythe messages I've gotten ever
since I started the documentary.
I would start getting messagesfrom nature.
That's pretty much when itreally started with me, when
that was 20, no, yeah, 2000.
To me, it's being present,being aware and just absorb
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yourself in all the beauty andand listening, just listening
because they want to help us.
Look at, I got so manyincredible messages and all
throughout and in the book, andthen gus.
John (18:19):
It's funny.
My thoughts that I always had,or certainly believed in, was
that the universe was alwayswhispering.
You just have to be still andopen.
But at that time it was justlike you just have to listen.
They're talking, things arewhispering.
You know, it took me a while toreally get drawn into it.
I was resisting for a while.
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But you can only push back somuch when the obvious is just
hitting you on the head, right.
Rebecca (18:45):
Exactly, yeah, exactly.
They throw little pebbles andthen you get a brick and then
you get really hit on the head.
It's like, okay, I'm going tohave to show you this to really
understand what we're all about.
And Gus came into some of myinitiations too.
I had to be initiated, and hewas there with me during the
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initiations.
John (19:09):
You mentioned that you and Gus were on the same path
together.
Being on a shamanic path isn'tso much about healing others or
doing other things for people oranimals.
It really seems to come firstthat the soul is trying to reach
out.
For you to take notice of thisstrong connection that we have
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with each other and with so muchmore.
When we're in bad ways,grieving just so much discontent
, whatever the feelings may be,it's really that we need to take
care of that first, to open usup so we can really start
walking that particular path byhealing ourselves somewhat
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further along.
Rebecca (19:54):
Yes, I feel like nature opened up my heart to really
healed.
I just feel like that it justexpanded my heart and the grief
you know and it was I definitelyfeel Gus was the forefront of
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that.
John (20:20):
Yeah, I can remember sleeping one night and I woke up
.
This is again before all thishappened and I think it was like
3.30 in the morning and I waswoken up by a robin calling just
outside the window.
I turned to my wife because Iwoke her up.
It's so unusual to hear asongbird at 3.30 in the morning.
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The first thing I thought ofwas this fellow his name was
Terry.
He was a good friend and abookkeeper for us who had died
suddenly.
I just knew that was Terrycoming by to just say hello and
thank you.
Actually, and I'll beteverybody who's listened to the
podcast could think back oftimes when they just were quiet
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and something touched them,something called to them, they
saw a sign in something.
Rebecca (21:11):
Absolutely.
To me it's like, just like you,the robin came at 3.30 in the
morning.
You're like what is and that's,but you're aware people that
you just got to be present, openand listen, listen.
It's like music to my ears whenI wake up in the morning,
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because I love to see everything.
Wake up and hearing the birdssinging, it's pretty amazing.
They just do their thing and gowith life.
John (21:45):
So talking about spirits, my partner had this little
Mickey for 17 years.
He had some seizures and after17 years his back end decided
not to move.
My partner, patricia, called ina vet who goes around
euthanizing animals dogs andcats and Patricia saw her
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picture in a web page and sheknew right away that this is the
lady to do it.
And, funny enough, when shecame she was just so quiet, soft
and a real soft energy came inwith her and Patricia got to
hold on to the name of the dogLegend.
I called him Spike the wholetime.
I don't know why she wentthrough the procedures and
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whatnot, but when she was all ofa sudden there, we were just
making some small talk it turnedout that she herself has been
through the basic shamanic workand then also came back to the
foundations death and dying andwe all shared the same mentor, a
lady's name, nan Moss.
A wonderful shaman taught, forI think I don't even know how
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many students she may have had.
I've heard thousands kickedaround, but that might be a bit
much, but a wonderful teacher.
She's retired now, but thecoincidence, as people would say
, that a shaman walks in to dothis job for us and that we all
know each other through Nan.
Rebecca (23:09):
That's amazing.
I understand it's hard andthank goodness you had that
opportunity to be with the whenit passed.
John (23:21):
So I just want to step back again.
Met an animal communicator,sunny Mann.
Can you share a little bit ofthat relationship and how
effective is she?
Rebecca (23:34):
I found her through Karen Anderson, who wrote the
book Pets in the Afterlife andshe's written probably two or
three and incredible petcommunicators.
She no longer takes anyone butshe trains people.
So Sunny was one of the onesshe had trained through this
email.
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I had gotten from KarenAnderson mass email newsletter
and I thought, okay, I'm goingto contact her because it was
probably a week after Gus haddied and she lives in Australia.
I told her about Gus and I saidwould you do a session?
Would you please talk to himand let me know if there's
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anything that he wants to say?
So one thing led to another andshe did 10 sessions with him.
She's an incredible animalcommunicator.
She also does past life and sohe did well, what is a session?
Okay, so what she does is shecommunicates with him first that
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was her time and she would callin on him, or he was very
persistent in wanting to talk toher and sometimes when she was
doing her website, he would showup on her website because he
wanted to be the first one onher website and so she would
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come back to me.
She said he really wants totalk to me, so what she would do
, she has quiet time and Gustalks to her and she talks to
him, asks questions, and thenafter that everything's in
transcripts.
She transcribes everything andthen she would call me up and
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tell me about the session.
After each session I would readover what Gus had said and the
questions she asked and I wouldcomment on it.
Everything flowed together.
He just knew where I was in mylife at that time.
I knew he would reincarnate,because it talks about him in
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the book that he would come back, but different.
He would come back and be withme and help me.
God threw me through myshamanism and I got so many
signs about him coming back andnow present today through so
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much synchronicity that led upthat we have a dog named Zeke.
He's now seven months old fromthe same breeder and I see so
much of Gus in him and it hasdefinitely filled a void in both
my life and in my husband bothmy life and my husband.
And it was just a knowing thathe would come back and the
sessions that Sonny had with himhe would always talk about.
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He would come back.
I will come back.
And he talked about certainsituations at the beach that
there was no way she would haveknown.
Then we decided to write a booktogether and then things didn't
work out and Gerald helped me.
He's the one who wrote my firstbook.
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Gerald helped me write the book.
It's a three-way conversationin the book and it talks about
everything.
Mm-hmm.
John (27:02):
Since we're talking about the book, tell us more about the
book and then we'll come backto talking about the Quiro
natives.
Was it a Peru that you wereworking with?
Rebecca (27:14):
Yeah, they're the last Apazi family in the Inca why?
John (27:19):
don't we talk about the book and Gus and give us more
detail on the book?
I'd like to talk more aboutPeruvian shaman.
Rebecca (27:28):
Okay, is there something that you would like to
ask me that is coming to theforefront with you?
John (27:36):
I want to know like a book has a beginning, a middle and
an end.
A book has a beginning, amiddle and an end and I was
wondering if you could just kindof use those brackets to just
kind of talk about differentparts of the book that really
stand out for you like yourfavorite parts.
So other people can get a senseof what sounds like an
interesting book.
Rebecca (27:54):
Okay, well, I will tell you one situation that happened
.
That happened when I went toPeru in 2017, my husband and I
went there with NationalGeographic and on September 14th
of 2017, I found this heartstone To me that was very
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precious.
So when Gus was alive, he andStella would always get up on
the fire pit.
They'd walk around and try toget chipmunks in the fire pit.
When he passed, during one ofmy sessions with the Peruvian
shaman, I took out a stone thatI had found in Peru and I
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accidentally broke it and I wasdevastated.
I thought is Gus telling me myheart is broken?
What is this?
And I was devastated.
The next day, I went down bythe fire pit because I always
feed the birds.
There was a heart-shaped stonein the fire pit because I always
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feed the birds.
There was a heart-shaped stonein the fire pit and to me, that
was like Gus saying here's yourstone back.
So I've got a stone that wasbroken, but my husband glued it
together.
Here's the stone that was inthe fireplace.
John (29:20):
Wow, that is a heart shape .
Here's the stone that was inthe fireplace.
Rebecca (29:21):
Wow, that is a heart shape.
Another story is probably aweek after he had passed.
I was on my computer and he hadsuch a big block head.
He was a wired-head beastler.
And when I would take.
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He and Stella, that's mydaughter's dog I'd take him on
walks and his head would bop upand down like Bobblehead.
You know the Bobbblehead, soI'd always call him.
We'd walk and I'd always callhim bobblehead.
Well, when I was on my computerI opened up the browser and I
took a picture of it.
It said bobblehead and I knewthat was him communicating to me
that he was with me.
And then the song Over theRainbow by the Hawaiian guy.
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I can't remember his name, hewas a big, heavy set Hawaiian
guy and he sang that song Overthe Rainbow.
You, I knew that was himcommunicating to me, like I am
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with you.
There's so much that I couldsay of the messages I received
from him.
It was incredible.
John (30:36):
Okay, let's step back.
I want to know how you foundthis Peruvian shaman family.
Rebecca (30:42):
This is another story.
All right, I got to back uphere that time when my husband
and I in 2017, went withNational Geographic.
We hiked from the lodge toMachu Picchu.
John (30:58):
Is that an adventure tourism thing?
Rebecca (31:00):
Yeah, there was a group of us staying in this lodge,
get up the next morning and hiketo Machu Picchu.
So prior to that, we had tostay in Cusco and I knew there
were shamans outside of Cusco.
So I thought you know what I'mkind of a rebel and I thought
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I'm going to detour and find outwho one of these shamans are.
And I went to a healing session.
They took me and did a healingsession with me.
Then they brought me back tothe hotel and the tour director
was a little wigged out, buteverything was fine.
Everything was fine Fastforward to 2023,.
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I thought, okay, I want to do aworkshop with the Peruvian
shamans.
It just so happened it was thesame shaman that did the
ceremony and his family.
So that's how I got hooked up.
I thought, okay, this is reallymeant to be.
So there you go.
John (32:04):
Do you remember his?
Rebecca (32:04):
name Justin and Alejandro.
John (32:09):
Yeah, no, the only reason I was asking because my partner
she's been to the same places.
They did a lot of ceremony work.
Just a group that anothercolleague of ours did a
three-year program with and hedoes this, traveling to Peru and
Mongolia and I forget whereelse the Amazon.
So it'll take up to 12 peopleand they'll do all this
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exchanging of shamanic peoplewith Peruvian shamans and
they're just as interested inknowing how we do things and how
we see things as we are of them.
Rebecca (32:45):
Do you know who she was with?
John (32:47):
I'm going to ask.
Rebecca (32:48):
I would love to know.
It's the APAZA family.
Don Alejandro, he's theheadmaster.
John (33:02):
I just finished a six-month program with Alberto
Valodo.
He does a lot of Peruvian andAmazon teaching.
He did a lot of studying withthem for years.
Yeah, it's quite a remarkablestory that he has.
His organization is called theFour Winds Society.
Rebecca (33:20):
Yes, I saw him at a workshop, he's remarkable.
John (33:24):
Yes, yeah, yes.
Rebecca (33:24):
I saw him at a workshop .
He's remarkable.
John (33:25):
Yes.
Rebecca (33:25):
Yeah, yes, yes.
Do you know Linda Star Wolf?
No, who's the shaman as well.
I know of him.
I have a couple of books of his.
He's kind of my mentor.
Is he really yes?
John (33:39):
You're hanging out with all the old Woodstock shamans.
That era is the way I look atit.
Rebecca (33:44):
Linda Starr Wolfwood is yes, she was for sure.
John (33:49):
So was Nan she was another Elaine at Digital.
She worked with Nan a lot andshe went to Woodstock with her
husband.
Isn't that interesting?
Yeah, just remarkable Thingsthat you studied.
What can you touch on?
Rebecca (34:05):
Different modalities on healing, like one with the
chakra system, the other one,soul retrieval, soul extraction.
Let's see here what else Anusta, which is a female that works
with the chakras in the rainbow.
John (34:25):
The work that you did with the chakras.
They call that illumination.
Rebecca (34:30):
You bought their ribbons and you bought all the
tools from them, and each chakracolor, like the yellow or the
red, represents something andyou ask the client prior to it
what's going on, and then youwork that certain color with
them, so and to do it a certainway yeah, do you remember how
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they did the soul retrieval, howthey taught that?
yeah, you slightly start withthe ceremony, you get your cocoa
leaves and then you askPachamama and then you ask for a
picture of them when they wereborn and the place they were
born.
So those are the three thingsthat you ask prior to working
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with the client.
You do it like a ceremony forPachamama and you just kind of
download, like distance healing,just kind of download it like
distance healing.
John (35:24):
Yeah yeah, the remarkable work of the program that I went
through with Alberto was it waskind of there was a lot of
similarities to what I wastaught through the Foundation
for Shamanic Studies, so much ofthat stuff that was different
was quite different.
There was some really goodstuff that I've incorporated and
other stuff I thought, well, Ilike that, but I'm going to keep
(35:46):
this other particular practicedifferently so that you can
bring different philosophies orteachings together.
Rebecca (35:52):
Yes, I don't stick to it completely.
I kind of use my own intuitionand intertwine what I feel,
because I feel the body says alot the energy, I start
something.
And I feel I feel the body saysa lot that you're the energy
and I start something.
Then I feel this doesn't feelright and then, yeah, lift it.
John (36:10):
I think just about all out of time.
Is there anything that you wantto say at all, rebecca?
Rebecca (36:16):
I just hope that people can resonate with this book if
they feel a calling to read it.
There's so many beautifulpassages.
Okay, the title of the book IsRoses to Rainbow by Dog Gus in
the Afterlife.
What helped me grieve throughlosing him was going through all
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the memories, like walking onthe beach with him doing our
adventures.
That really helped the grievingfor me.
I would offer that to people.
They're always with you andthey want to be with you.
If you're in deep grief, theydon't show up, but once your
heart is open and you'reprocessing the grieving, they
will send you messages.
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You just got to be quiet andlisten and tune in, because I've
experienced it.
I've had just messages and I'vejust been very grateful for the
messages that I have receivedfrom him Because I know he's
always with me.
Well, thank you, sure, andthank you.
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Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
John (37:23):
Well, it was a nice conversation and I thoroughly
enjoyed it.
So thank you, Thank you forhaving me.
Rebecca (37:27):
I appreciate it.
Well, it was a niceconversation and I thoroughly
enjoyed it, so thank you.
Oh good, I'm glad you did.
So did I?
You asked some very wonderfulquestions, deep questions, which
I like it had to make me think.
John (37:39):
Don't tell my friends, they won't believe it.
Rebecca (37:43):
Well, I will tell them.
John (37:45):
Thank you so much.
Rebecca (37:46):
All right, take care.
John (37:48):
Bye-bye.
Thank you for joining myconversation with Rebecca Shaper
.
If her story has touched you insome deep and meaningful way, I
invite you to share thisepisode with those who may need
a gentle reminder that healingis possible and that our loved
ones in this life and beyond arealways with us.
The relationship between humans and dogs is a tale as old
as civilization itself.
From ancient wolves who firstwandered into our ancestors'
fireside glow to the devotedcompanions curled up beside us
today, dogs have always found away into our hearts.
This bond, built on centuriesof mutual benefit and deep
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connection, speaks to anunspoken understanding between
two very different species.
For us, dogs are more than justpets.
They are family healers andsteadfast friends.
They greet us withunconditional love, offering
solace during our hardest daysand joy in our simplest moments.
(01:19):
Their presence can lower ourstress, ease our loneliness and
remind us to find the beauty inthe present moment.
Their ability to read ouremotions and respond with
empathy is a testament to howintertwined our lives have
become.
Rebecca (01:38):
My mother was an alcoholic because she was trying
to mask her feelings ofhallucination and whatever.
I think she was channelingother entities and it just
haunted her.
But then, 11 years later, myfather died by suicide.
He shot himself in the heart inthe shower and I just remember
(02:03):
going into his room shower and Ijust remember going into his
room.
I asked him if he was going tokill himself and he said no.
But I knew down deep inside atsome point it would happen.
John (02:14):
Our guest today is a gentle soul with a warrior's
heart.
She has journeyed throughprofound loss, childhood trauma
and the complexities of mentalillness with her family, yet
merged with deep compassion andunwavering connection to the
unseen world.
Her story is one oftransformation, finding healing
through nature, exploringshamanic traditions and sharing
(02:36):
her truth through film andwriting.
Welcome back, I'm John Moore,your host.
You are listening to the UrbanGrease Shamans.
Rebecca (02:47):
I was sitting out in the back of our house and I was
talking to his best friend,who's a preacher, days after he
had passed and he wanted acertain way on how my brother's
funeral should be.
And these two hawks are sittingin the tree and they were
(03:07):
screaming I mean screeching andI knew that was my brother.
Intuitively, I knew he wassaying no.
John (03:18):
This is our guest, rebecca Shaper.
Rebecca dedicates her life toguiding others on their healing
journey, drawing from her ownprofound experiences of trauma,
loss and spiritual awakening.
Through her work as a filmmaker, author and spiritual seeker,
she shares stories that inspireresilience and hope.
Join us in our conversation.
Rebecca (03:40):
When I reflect back in my childhood and after what you
were saying.
When I reflect back in mychildhood and after what you
were saying, I felt a guardianangel with me.
I felt because it was almostlike knowing what was going on
with both of my parents and Iunderstood it at a deep level.
(04:00):
I knew this is happening for areason At the age of 15, I'm not
sure if you were the caretakerof your parents, but I saw some
very traumatic situations, but Ialways felt protected.
I had a very inner strengthwithin me when my brother Carl,
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who was diagnosed with paranoidschizophrenia, he left in 1980,
was it 1977?
He left for 20 years and he washomeless, but I always knew he
was alive.
When we found each otherthrough a miracle, that's when
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the healing really started withhim and with me.
Because he was oldest, I feltlike he took on a lot of the
trauma and I took on a differenttype of trauma.
We just dealt with itseparately.
I went away and he wenthomeless.
He was the catalyst of the filmA Sister's Call.
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Without him it never would havebeen made and I wouldn't have
been able to have theopportunity to help so many
people who've gone through suchtragedies, but I also felt like
it was a soul calling.
It wasn't me, it was my soulsaying you need to do this.
It was almost like my brotherknew when we met, when we found
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each other through a miracle, heknew the same thing, but we
never really exchanged thatpurpose with each other.
We just did it, and it took 14years.
But I feel very blessed foreverything that happened in my
life because I've been able tohelp people.
John (05:57):
I just wanted to step back a few steps as we move back to
your younger years.
But you also had mentioned wasit both your parents committed
suicide.
Rebecca (06:08):
Both died by suicide.
My mother was an alcoholic andtrying to mask her feelings I
think she was channeling otherentities and it haunted her.
11 years later, my father diedby suicide.
He shot himself in the heart inthe shower.
I remember going into his room,the bedroom, talking to him and
(06:33):
asking him and I said I need asign Plus.
I asked him if he was going tokill himself and he said no.
But I knew deep inside it wouldhappen.
John (06:48):
Was it triggered just from his being an abuser?
Rebecca (06:53):
He abused me and I found out later that he abused
my older daughter, which wasdevastating.
John (07:02):
He suffered with PTSD from the war and I also found out
that he was abused by a scoutleader.
How did you, when you wereyounger, cope with the?
Rebecca (07:18):
abuse.
I remember I would kick him outof the bed and he would come in
and I would just kick him outof the bed and he would come in
and I would just kick him out,I'd kick him out of the bed and
finally, honestly I don'tremember how I think I just told
him to stop and then it stoppedand unfortunately my mother
never knew because she was inheavy drug medication.
(07:44):
But yeah.
John (07:48):
Was shame a big burden for you at that age, or was it
buried?
Rebecca (07:53):
It's interesting.
You ask that I never felt shame.
I didn't feel guilty.
I didn't think it was my fault.
I just knew I had to do what Ihad to do.
That's the best way I canexplain it.
It needed to stop.
John (08:12):
How do you, when you look back on your life I mean, it's
an odd way of looking at it, butall our challenges seem to be
for some kind of a purpose.
The grief that we carry is thatgrinding stone that hones us
into diamonds you know if wehave that inclination.
(08:36):
How did you look back on thatyounger self?
Rebecca (08:43):
Are you asking how I look back at myself growing?
John (08:48):
up those early life experiences?
How do they contribute to whoyou are now?
Rebecca (08:54):
Oh wow, a lot more compassion for people, a better
understanding for people.
Really at a deep, deep soullevel.
Intuitively I can sense where aperson is.
It gave me a lot of experienceas well.
I'm very grateful for it.
(09:16):
The callings I've had in mylife Go back to how I grew up.
You can take it on and use itto serve others, or it could
really debilitate you.
I chose to serve others throughmy experience.
(09:36):
I have no psychology degree,it's just all experience.
John (09:44):
It gave me a lot of strength In your life with Carl.
Did you have much time togetheras teenagers before he?
Rebecca (09:52):
left?
That's a very good question.
Yeah, and I could see the angerwith him, but then when he left
, I was still in high school andhe went on to college.
In high school and he went onto college and then I got
married later on and then hetook off and left for over 20
years back and forth, but Inever saw him.
John (10:14):
What was that relationship like when you were still in
school?
Rebecca (10:19):
He had anger towards me .
How did that?
John (10:22):
affect you towards me.
Rebecca (10:28):
How did that affect you ?
I had a great high school years.
I mean honestly, my high schoolyears were phenomenal, so I was
very grateful for that.
But when he disappeared, Ialways knew he was alive and we
found each other.
It's like our relationshipbecame very, came very close.
His angle was gone.
John (10:46):
You reunited.
You're saying Go ahead, whatfilled in the relationship for
you after that, the comingtogether?
Rebecca (10:55):
I saw the person and and within it I saw his soul and
I saw my brother, who reallywas down deep inside.
His anger was not towards me,it was towards my parents.
I wanted to show people that,even though he was diagnosed
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with paranoid schizophrenia, hehad a soul and he was a gentle
giant and I remember times hewould call me on the phone and
ask about hey, Rebecca, how'syour daughter?
It's almost like he was verytelepathic and could pick up on
(11:37):
energy.
She was going through strugglesherself.
He taught me patience.
He taught me patience.
He taught me patience.
John (11:47):
When did you start writing the book about him?
Rebecca (11:51):
The film came first and that exposed everything as I
was growing up.
And then I was done and I hadanother soul calling that I
needed to write the book.
He had already passed in 2012,.
And 2015 was when the book waspublished and he was telling me
(12:15):
Rebecca, you're not done.
John (12:17):
What was said in the book that wasn't said in the film?
Rebecca (12:20):
It was a lot more spiritual In the book that
wasn't said in the film.
It was a lot more spiritual.
It connected nature into it andhow he would be present with me
when I would see hawks.
I'll never forget one time.
I'll give you a very goodexample.
I was sitting out in the backof our house and I was talking
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to his best friend who's apreacher days after he had
passed, and he wanted a certainway on how my brother's funeral
should be, and these two hawksare sitting in the tree and they
were screeching.
I knew that was my brother,intuitively.
(13:03):
The funeral plans were hisfavorite songs.
My daughter, who was sitting inthe kitchen.
She came out and she goes Mom,what is that noise?
So she witnessed it as well.
I knew that was himcommunicating At the funeral.
We all went to our beach housemy husband, my two daughters and
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myself.
There were nine hawks flyingright above us.
I just get tears and goosebumpsbecause I love how nature
speaks to us if we just listen.
John (13:38):
The thing that made it such a delight meeting you for
the first time was your joy, andwe had a good laugh and I
really had a good time.
It wasn't a long time, but Icertainly enjoyed myself.
I was even receiving a littleenergy from you, a little power
energy, you know a little top up.
I was just wondering do you cryoften?
Rebecca (14:01):
I have, yes, I do, and I'm not always hippie, hot or
joyful.
No, yeah, there are times whenI have bad days and I think,
okay, what's going on?
And I go with them.
John (14:14):
Do you think our grief makes extra room for joy, if we
allow it?
Rebecca (14:24):
Sure, I think I understand what you're saying.
Yeah.
John (14:28):
The reason why I mentioned it.
I know I've said it before.
On a podcast, this man whoteaches a lot of grief workshops
, Francis Weller, was telling astory about this woman and an
African.
He was surprised at just howbeaming this lady was, with the
smiles and laughing reallypresent, but the village was
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obviously a place that didn'thave a lot of wealth or
abundance.
He was wondering why she's sohappy, why is she laughing so
much, when all around kind oflooks a bit dark.
And she says that's because Icry so much and I never forgot
that quote of his.
And I don't know.
I find a lot of joy andhappiness but a lot of laughter
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comes my way, Either the peoplethat I meet or myself, and I
think that growing up with thesedifferent periods of grief does
work.
Rebecca (15:20):
Yeah, absolutely does work.
Yeah, absolutely.
John (15:22):
So after your brother's passing there was a bit of time
there.
I'm trying to figure out whendid your shamanic path start, or
was it Gus who came first?
Rebecca (15:36):
Well, I always wanted to learn about shamanism ever
since I was little, and so whenGus passed away I think it was a
month prior is when I startedwith the Peruvian shamans in
Peru and I just felt like I washome and Gus was.
(15:59):
Then, when he passed away, itbroke my oh, my gosh, that was
grief.
That hit me hard.
John (16:07):
So you had started on your path before.
Rebecca (16:09):
About a month prior to his passing, he passed December
7th, 2023.
And that was worse than losingmy parents.
He was like my soul dog.
He was my cold pilot.
There was just somethingextremely special about both of
us.
It's almost like we knew eachother in past life.
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He knew me, I knew him, I couldlook at him, he could look at
me and we could speak to eachother telepathically when he
passed.
I still get choked up.
He taught me a lot on the otherside through Sunny, who was the
pet communicator.
She would communicate to my dog, gus, in the afterlife and some
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of the messages that he wouldreveal to her is that I needed
to get going on my shamanicpractice.
He was very adamant about me.
I had some roadblocks in theway and I'm still learning a lot
.
It's kind of a slow process forme, but I absolutely love it
and he was pushing me.
John (17:15):
What was the draw for you to turn to shamanism?
Rebecca (17:21):
It's all about nature.
What was it you were seeing innature?
Wow, I feel like nature speaksto me.
I speak to nature.
It's an energy that I just feelsuch a connection to everything
the trees, the birds, theanimals.
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I've been totally blessed bythe messages I've gotten ever
since I started the documentary.
I would start getting messagesfrom nature.
That's pretty much when itreally started with me, when
that was 20, no, yeah, 2000.
To me, it's being present,being aware and just absorb
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yourself in all the beauty andand listening, just listening
because they want to help us.
Look at, I got so manyincredible messages and all
throughout and in the book, andthen gus.
John (18:19):
It's funny.
My thoughts that I always had,or certainly believed in, was
that the universe was alwayswhispering.
You just have to be still andopen.
But at that time it was justlike you just have to listen.
They're talking, things arewhispering.
You know, it took me a while toreally get drawn into it.
I was resisting for a while.
(18:40):
But you can only push back somuch when the obvious is just
hitting you on the head, right.
Rebecca (18:45):
Exactly, yeah, exactly.
They throw little pebbles andthen you get a brick and then
you get really hit on the head.
It's like, okay, I'm going tohave to show you this to really
understand what we're all about.
And Gus came into some of myinitiations too.
I had to be initiated, and hewas there with me during the
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initiations.
John (19:09):
You mentioned that you and Gus were on the same path
together.
Being on a shamanic path isn'tso much about healing others or
doing other things for people oranimals.
It really seems to come firstthat the soul is trying to reach
out.
For you to take notice of thisstrong connection that we have
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with each other and with so muchmore.
When we're in bad ways,grieving just so much discontent
, whatever the feelings may be,it's really that we need to take
care of that first, to open usup so we can really start
walking that particular path byhealing ourselves somewhat
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further along.
Rebecca (19:54):
Yes, I feel like nature opened up my heart to really
healed.
I just feel like that it justexpanded my heart and the grief
you know and it was I definitelyfeel Gus was the forefront of
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that.
John (20:20):
Yeah, I can remember sleeping one night and I woke up
.
This is again before all thishappened and I think it was like
3.30 in the morning and I waswoken up by a robin calling just
outside the window.
I turned to my wife because Iwoke her up.
It's so unusual to hear asongbird at 3.30 in the morning.
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The first thing I thought ofwas this fellow his name was
Terry.
He was a good friend and abookkeeper for us who had died
suddenly.
I just knew that was Terrycoming by to just say hello and
thank you.
Actually, and I'll beteverybody who's listened to the
podcast could think back oftimes when they just were quiet
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and something touched them,something called to them, they
saw a sign in something.
Rebecca (21:11):
Absolutely.
To me it's like, just like you,the robin came at 3.30 in the
morning.
You're like what is and that's,but you're aware people that
you just got to be present, openand listen, listen.
It's like music to my ears whenI wake up in the morning,
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because I love to see everything.
Wake up and hearing the birdssinging, it's pretty amazing.
They just do their thing and gowith life.
John (21:45):
So talking about spirits, my partner had this little
Mickey for 17 years.
He had some seizures and after17 years his back end decided
not to move.
My partner, patricia, called ina vet who goes around
euthanizing animals dogs andcats and Patricia saw her
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picture in a web page and sheknew right away that this is the
lady to do it.
And, funny enough, when shecame she was just so quiet, soft
and a real soft energy came inwith her and Patricia got to
hold on to the name of the dogLegend.
I called him Spike the wholetime.
I don't know why she wentthrough the procedures and
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whatnot, but when she was all ofa sudden there, we were just
making some small talk it turnedout that she herself has been
through the basic shamanic workand then also came back to the
foundations death and dying andwe all shared the same mentor, a
lady's name, nan Moss.
A wonderful shaman taught, forI think I don't even know how
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many students she may have had.
I've heard thousands kickedaround, but that might be a bit
much, but a wonderful teacher.
She's retired now, but thecoincidence, as people would say
, that a shaman walks in to dothis job for us and that we all
know each other through Nan.
Rebecca (23:09):
That's amazing.
I understand it's hard andthank goodness you had that
opportunity to be with the whenit passed.
John (23:21):
So I just want to step back again.
Met an animal communicator,sunny Mann.
Can you share a little bit ofthat relationship and how
effective is she?
Rebecca (23:34):
I found her through Karen Anderson, who wrote the
book Pets in the Afterlife andshe's written probably two or
three and incredible petcommunicators.
She no longer takes anyone butshe trains people.
So Sunny was one of the onesshe had trained through this
email.
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I had gotten from KarenAnderson mass email newsletter
and I thought, okay, I'm goingto contact her because it was
probably a week after Gus haddied and she lives in Australia.
I told her about Gus and I saidwould you do a session?
Would you please talk to himand let me know if there's
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anything that he wants to say?
So one thing led to another andshe did 10 sessions with him.
She's an incredible animalcommunicator.
She also does past life and sohe did well, what is a session?
Okay, so what she does is shecommunicates with him first that
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was her time and she would callin on him, or he was very
persistent in wanting to talk toher and sometimes when she was
doing her website, he would showup on her website because he
wanted to be the first one onher website and so she would
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come back to me.
She said he really wants totalk to me, so what she would do
, she has quiet time and Gustalks to her and she talks to
him, asks questions, and thenafter that everything's in
transcripts.
She transcribes everything andthen she would call me up and
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tell me about the session.
After each session I would readover what Gus had said and the
questions she asked and I wouldcomment on it.
Everything flowed together.
He just knew where I was in mylife at that time.
I knew he would reincarnate,because it talks about him in
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the book that he would come back, but different.
He would come back and be withme and help me.
God threw me through myshamanism and I got so many
signs about him coming back andnow present today through so
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much synchronicity that led upthat we have a dog named Zeke.
He's now seven months old fromthe same breeder and I see so
much of Gus in him and it hasdefinitely filled a void in both
my life and in my husband bothmy life and my husband.
And it was just a knowing thathe would come back and the
sessions that Sonny had with himhe would always talk about.
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He would come back.
I will come back.
And he talked about certainsituations at the beach that
there was no way she would haveknown.
Then we decided to write a booktogether and then things didn't
work out and Gerald helped me.
He's the one who wrote my firstbook.
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Gerald helped me write the book.
It's a three-way conversationin the book and it talks about
everything.
Mm-hmm.
John (27:02):
Since we're talking about the book, tell us more about the
book and then we'll come backto talking about the Quiro
natives.
Was it a Peru that you wereworking with?
Rebecca (27:14):
Yeah, they're the last Apazi family in the Inca why?
John (27:19):
don't we talk about the book and Gus and give us more
detail on the book?
I'd like to talk more aboutPeruvian shaman.
Rebecca (27:28):
Okay, is there something that you would like to
ask me that is coming to theforefront with you?
John (27:36):
I want to know like a book has a beginning, a middle and
an end.
A book has a beginning, amiddle and an end and I was
wondering if you could just kindof use those brackets to just
kind of talk about differentparts of the book that really
stand out for you like yourfavorite parts.
So other people can get a senseof what sounds like an
interesting book.
Rebecca (27:54):
Okay, well, I will tell you one situation that happened
.
That happened when I went toPeru in 2017, my husband and I
went there with NationalGeographic and on September 14th
of 2017, I found this heartstone To me that was very
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precious.
So when Gus was alive, he andStella would always get up on
the fire pit.
They'd walk around and try toget chipmunks in the fire pit.
When he passed, during one ofmy sessions with the Peruvian
shaman, I took out a stone thatI had found in Peru and I
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accidentally broke it and I wasdevastated.
I thought is Gus telling me myheart is broken?
What is this?
And I was devastated.
The next day, I went down bythe fire pit because I always
feed the birds.
There was a heart-shaped stonein the fire pit because I always
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feed the birds.
There was a heart-shaped stonein the fire pit and to me, that
was like Gus saying here's yourstone back.
So I've got a stone that wasbroken, but my husband glued it
together.
Here's the stone that was inthe fireplace.
John (29:20):
Wow, that is a heart shape .
Here's the stone that was inthe fireplace.
Rebecca (29:21):
Wow, that is a heart shape.
Another story is probably aweek after he had passed.
I was on my computer and he hadsuch a big block head.
He was a wired-head beastler.
And when I would take.
(29:43):
He and Stella, that's mydaughter's dog I'd take him on
walks and his head would bop upand down like Bobblehead.
You know the Bobbblehead, soI'd always call him.
We'd walk and I'd always callhim bobblehead.
Well, when I was on my computerI opened up the browser and I
took a picture of it.
It said bobblehead and I knewthat was him communicating to me
that he was with me.
And then the song Over theRainbow by the Hawaiian guy.
(30:03):
I can't remember his name, hewas a big, heavy set Hawaiian
guy and he sang that song Overthe Rainbow.
You, I knew that was himcommunicating to me, like I am
(30:24):
with you.
There's so much that I couldsay of the messages I received
from him.
It was incredible.
John (30:36):
Okay, let's step back.
I want to know how you foundthis Peruvian shaman family.
Rebecca (30:42):
This is another story.
All right, I got to back uphere that time when my husband
and I in 2017, went withNational Geographic.
We hiked from the lodge toMachu Picchu.
John (30:58):
Is that an adventure tourism thing?
Rebecca (31:00):
Yeah, there was a group of us staying in this lodge,
get up the next morning and hiketo Machu Picchu.
So prior to that, we had tostay in Cusco and I knew there
were shamans outside of Cusco.
So I thought you know what I'mkind of a rebel and I thought
(31:22):
I'm going to detour and find outwho one of these shamans are.
And I went to a healing session.
They took me and did a healingsession with me.
Then they brought me back tothe hotel and the tour director
was a little wigged out, buteverything was fine.
Everything was fine Fastforward to 2023,.
(31:51):
I thought, okay, I want to do aworkshop with the Peruvian
shamans.
It just so happened it was thesame shaman that did the
ceremony and his family.
So that's how I got hooked up.
I thought, okay, this is reallymeant to be.
So there you go.
John (32:04):
Do you remember his?
Rebecca (32:04):
name Justin and Alejandro.
John (32:09):
Yeah, no, the only reason I was asking because my partner
she's been to the same places.
They did a lot of ceremony work.
Just a group that anothercolleague of ours did a
three-year program with and hedoes this, traveling to Peru and
Mongolia and I forget whereelse the Amazon.
So it'll take up to 12 peopleand they'll do all this
(32:33):
exchanging of shamanic peoplewith Peruvian shamans and
they're just as interested inknowing how we do things and how
we see things as we are of them.
Rebecca (32:45):
Do you know who she was with?
John (32:47):
I'm going to ask.
Rebecca (32:48):
I would love to know.
It's the APAZA family.
Don Alejandro, he's theheadmaster.
John (33:02):
I just finished a six-month program with Alberto
Valodo.
He does a lot of Peruvian andAmazon teaching.
He did a lot of studying withthem for years.
Yeah, it's quite a remarkablestory that he has.
His organization is called theFour Winds Society.
Rebecca (33:20):
Yes, I saw him at a workshop, he's remarkable.
John (33:24):
Yes, yeah, yes.
Rebecca (33:24):
I saw him at a workshop .
He's remarkable.
John (33:25):
Yes.
Rebecca (33:25):
Yeah, yes, yes.
Do you know Linda Star Wolf?
No, who's the shaman as well.
I know of him.
I have a couple of books of his.
He's kind of my mentor.
Is he really yes?
John (33:39):
You're hanging out with all the old Woodstock shamans.
That era is the way I look atit.
Rebecca (33:44):
Linda Starr Wolfwood is yes, she was for sure.
John (33:49):
So was Nan she was another Elaine at Digital.
She worked with Nan a lot andshe went to Woodstock with her
husband.
Isn't that interesting?
Yeah, just remarkable Thingsthat you studied.
What can you touch on?
Rebecca (34:05):
Different modalities on healing, like one with the
chakra system, the other one,soul retrieval, soul extraction.
Let's see here what else Anusta, which is a female that works
with the chakras in the rainbow.
John (34:25):
The work that you did with the chakras.
They call that illumination.
Rebecca (34:30):
You bought their ribbons and you bought all the
tools from them, and each chakracolor, like the yellow or the
red, represents something andyou ask the client prior to it
what's going on, and then youwork that certain color with
them, so and to do it a certainway yeah, do you remember how
(34:52):
they did the soul retrieval, howthey taught that?
yeah, you slightly start withthe ceremony, you get your cocoa
leaves and then you askPachamama and then you ask for a
picture of them when they wereborn and the place they were
born.
So those are the three thingsthat you ask prior to working
(35:14):
with the client.
You do it like a ceremony forPachamama and you just kind of
download, like distance healing,just kind of download it like
distance healing.
John (35:24):
Yeah yeah, the remarkable work of the program that I went
through with Alberto was it waskind of there was a lot of
similarities to what I wastaught through the Foundation
for Shamanic Studies, so much ofthat stuff that was different
was quite different.
There was some really goodstuff that I've incorporated and
other stuff I thought, well, Ilike that, but I'm going to keep
(35:46):
this other particular practicedifferently so that you can
bring different philosophies orteachings together.
Rebecca (35:52):
Yes, I don't stick to it completely.
I kind of use my own intuitionand intertwine what I feel,
because I feel the body says alot the energy, I start
something.
And I feel I feel the body saysa lot that you're the energy
and I start something.
Then I feel this doesn't feelright and then, yeah, lift it.
John (36:10):
I think just about all out of time.
Is there anything that you wantto say at all, rebecca?
Rebecca (36:16):
I just hope that people can resonate with this book if
they feel a calling to read it.
There's so many beautifulpassages.
Okay, the title of the book IsRoses to Rainbow by Dog Gus in
the Afterlife.
What helped me grieve throughlosing him was going through all
(36:38):
the memories, like walking onthe beach with him doing our
adventures.
That really helped the grievingfor me.
I would offer that to people.
They're always with you andthey want to be with you.
If you're in deep grief, theydon't show up, but once your
heart is open and you'reprocessing the grieving, they
will send you messages.
(36:59):
You just got to be quiet andlisten and tune in, because I've
experienced it.
I've had just messages and I'vejust been very grateful for the
messages that I have receivedfrom him Because I know he's
always with me.
Well, thank you, sure, andthank you.
(37:20):
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
John (37:23):
Well, it was a nice conversation and I thoroughly
enjoyed it.
So thank you, Thank you forhaving me.
Rebecca (37:27):
I appreciate it.
Well, it was a niceconversation and I thoroughly
enjoyed it, so thank you.
Oh good, I'm glad you did.
So did I?
You asked some very wonderfulquestions, deep questions, which
I like it had to make me think.
John (37:39):
Don't tell my friends, they won't believe it.
Rebecca (37:43):
Well, I will tell them.
John (37:45):
Thank you so much.
Rebecca (37:46):
All right, take care.
John (37:48):
Bye-bye.
Thank you for joining myconversation with Rebecca Shaper
.
If her story has touched you insome deep and meaningful way, I
invite you to share thisepisode with those who may need
a gentle reminder that healingis possible and that our loved
ones in this life and beyond arealways with us.
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