December 6, 2024 • 23 mins
Adam Johnson, Drill Sergeant in the U.S. Army and co-host of the "Whiskey and Windage" podcast - Adam shares his journey of joining the Army later in life at age 29 after working as a personal trainer. He discusses the role of a drill sergeant and the unique challenges of training new soldiers. - Adam talks about his passion for the 2nd Amendment and how he co-founded the "Whiskey and Windage" podcast, which covers gun culture, companies, and influencers. The podcast has grown significantly and was nominated for a "Gundy Award" this year (go give him your support!)
Adam opens up about overcoming alcohol addiction and taking personal responsibility for his life, emphasizing that it's crucial not to make excuses or blame others. - Advice for those considering joining the military: Treat it as a serious career choice, not just something to do. Use the benefits like education assistance to set yourself up for success. - Find Adam on Instagram @AdamJ_Official and check out the "Whiskey and Windage" podcast at whiskeyanwindage.com.
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Hello, everybody. You're listening to Wake Up with
Patty Catter and I have Adam Johnson on the show.
Welcome, Adam. Patty, thanks for having me.
I'm excited to be here. Yeah, I'm really happy that
you're here, actually, because you're taking time off of your
crazy job as a drill Sergeant. I expected you to bark orders at
me right away, but you didn't. No, no, no.
So you know, the, the thing withthe drill Sergeant is I always
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tell people it's like being a professional wrestler.
You know, there's the bad guys in pro wrestling, but it's an
act, right? You're not really a bad guy.
So when I'm the hat's on, there's there's Drill Sergeant
Johnson and then when the hat's off, it's Adam.
So you, you kind of have to havetwo sides of it.
If you were like that all the time, man, I'd be.
I'd be exhausted. Oh my goodness, I can't imagine.
It seems like you would be exhausted anyways.
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What time do you wake up in the morning?
It depends on the shift, but most days around 3:30 in the
morning. I'm up in the morning, first
formation is around 4:45 for thetrainees, so we are there prior
to that and we just go all day. Oh man, I actually didn't plan
on talking to you too much aboutthis, but I changed my mind
because I'm already so. So tell me this.
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You get up at that time in the morning, do you eat your chow
first or do you go yell at people first?
That's a good question. So I, I intermittent fast.
So technically I don't eat at all.
I, I typically fast around 16 to18 hours a day.
So I don't eat until about lunchtime.
Normally it's like that's my first meal for the day.
So I'm, I'm on just a little bitof caffeine in the morning and
we just go. But I'm used to it.
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I've been doing it for years. So a drill Sergeant, let's back
it up a little for our listenerswho don't know.
Now, mind you, a lot of my listeners are military veterans,
but there's some people who listen who really don't know
what a drill Sergeant does, other than, you know, you have
the on the TV, you have SergeantPayne and all that.
Yeah, exactly. So drill Sergeant, there's two,
there's two sides of the house in the Army.
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So in the Army you're either a basic training drill Sergeant or
you're in an advanced individualtraining, which they've
graduated basic training, now they go to train for their job
and there's drill sergeants there as well.
So I am on the advanced individual training side.
I'm there with the combat medics.
So they've already graduated basic training, but a drill
Sergeant is there to indoctrine the army into the soldiers, to
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take them from civilian to soldier to It's cliche, but we
break them down and build them up.
And it really is that that in that essence.
Now when they get to us, they'resoldiers already.
They've completed basic and now we are just reminding them that
they have not completed their mission yet.
Their mission is to be a combat medic.
So we still have to install the discipline and the Army values
onto them and make sure they're doing the right thing.
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And that's really what we're there for.
We're there to make sure they'redoing the right thing.
How long have you been doing this?
I'm on my third year as a drill Sergeant and that's a little
long. So two years.
It's a 24 month obligation once you complete the Drill Sergeant
Academy for all drill sergeants in the Army.
I volunteered to do a third yearso.
Nice. I'm sure they need it actually,
right? I mean, I've heard that there is
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there downsizing that's happenedor is that a rumor?
Not really. I mean, the thing with drill
Serge is some are DA selected. So Department of the Army
selects a good portion says hey,congratulations, you're going to
be a drill Sergeant. I was one of the crazy ones.
I volunteered, so I went to HRC.Hey, HRCI want to be a drill
Sergeant? I've never seen the Army move so
quickly. Within a week I had orders, so
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fastest ever seen the Army do anything.
And I volunteered for it, but not really.
Sometimes we're more of a need than others.
That's why they'll give incentives, pay incentives for a
third year if we're short drill sergeants, and that's how they
got me so. Pretty cool.
And you have your own podcast. Do you talk about this on your
show? A little bit on our podcast, but
not too much. I mean, we're a Second Amendment
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podcast, the Whiskey and Winnagepodcast.
I have myself with two of the Cohosts, Mike and Matt, and we
primarily talk about Second Amendment related things, gun
companies, YouTube influencers, come on that are in the gun
industry. We poke fun at a little bit.
My Co host will poke fun of me being a drill Sergeant but I
don't really too much only because a lot of the trainees
that I have watched the podcast sometimes so I try to keep that
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separate as possible. Yeah, I get that.
So one thing I did see on your social media, I think you posted
it maybe like a week or two ago,you had your hat on.
And So what is the story of the hat?
Do you even know or is it just part of the uniform?
The campaign hat goes back to like the original drill
sergeant's. It was just the hat.
There's a whole story behind it.But that was the when they when
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we wanted to indoctrine soldiersin I can't remember all the
dates we had to go through and drill sergeant's we had to learn
all the history and I can't remember any of it, of course.
But it, it goes back to the, youknow, the, the campaign hat is
one of the original, like it wasin World War One, worn by non
commissioned officers, of course, and then in the Calvary
and then it kind of got adopted into the drill sergeant's in the
campaign hats. Been there ever since for the
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males and the females wear the Bush hats.
So it's more of an Australian Bush hat they wear, which we're
about to change. And now females are all going to
be wearing the drill Sergeant hat, the campaign hat soon, very
soon. So.
So when they do a change of uniform, I have heard funny
rumors like there's a new commander coming in, so we're
going to change the uniform again.
Is that how it works? Or who decides that the uniforms
are going to change? Are uniforms big army?
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So big army decides all that. I mean, that's going to be, I
mean, I guess commanders, you'reright, but it's going to be like
high generals ranking that decide all those things.
I mean, uniforms change, but when it comes to the hat, like
the hat's been there forever. The female deciding for females
to go to the drill Sergeant hat,the campaign hat that we wear,
it's been talked about for a while.
The Marine Corps, they all wear drill instructors in the Marine
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Corps all wear this campaign hat.
So it's it's kind of what the Marine Corps, what he does.
So we're kind of just going towards one hat for everyone
instead of having females wear adifferent hat.
It's been a big debate forever, but that's about the change.
OK, so that's probably why you wanted to be a drill drill
instructor, just to wear that hat.
I. Know you know what, no, why I
wanted to be a drill instructor or drill Sargent was I saw as a
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platoon Sergeant in the Army thesoldiers that were coming
through and I really wasn't happy with someone coming out of
basic their proficiencies. I'm just like, you know, like we
need non commissioned officers and CE OS to step up and not
just be voluntold to be there because you know, we talked
about the Army taking the top 5%of non commissioned officers to
be drill sergeants. Well, the truth is they are
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taking the top 5% that's available that didn't really get
another job. It's not selected for this.
I wanted to volunteer. I wanted to get back to the
Army. It was almost my time to get
back to the Army, and if I wouldn't have volunteered to be
a drill Sergeant, the Army wouldhave told me I was going to do
something, whether it's a recruiter, an instructor, a
drill Sergeant, possibly. I decided to take that fate into
my own hands and volunteer and get back to the Army.
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Good for you, and how long have you been in?
Oh, I've been in a little over 11 years.
I came in late. I was one of those old privates.
I was 29 when I joined the Army.Wow, I just you and somebody
before you, he said he was 26. And it's really funny because
nowadays a lot of 262728, you know, they don't know what the
heck they're going to do. Heck, I know people who are in
their 40s who don't know what exactly they're going to do.
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So I mean, you have a lot going for you because you did start.
That's pretty young really to still start, you know, a career.
And then to be 11 years in, you know, what is it 20?
You get to fully retire. So you're over half done.
I am. It's Army old though To be in
the Army. I mean, I would have joined when
I was 18. I'd be retired right now.
So from the military. So it's kind of it's Army.
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It's young in a career, but in the Army essence it's old.
Like to be in my position, I'm old.
I'm as old as most battalion commanders that are Lieutenant
colonel's. We're about the same age
typically. So, and it's one of those things
I've dealt with when I went through basic training, I was
older than most Montreal sergeants.
So, you know, it, it, it was fun.
The thing, the advantage was being a little more mature,
realizing things that this is myfirst time away from home.
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I'm not 18. I understand.
Hey, look, this is a game in essence, at basic, this is a
game when you become a private, you just gotta shut up and do
what you're told. And it's that easy.
It really is. I hate to say it.
It's that easy. Just shut up in color, do what
you're told, and you're gonna get yelled at regardless and
just accept it. And I was it was a little easier
being a little older. Yeah, I could see that.
Because otherwise you have a kidfresh out of high school who
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never probably have less left home, never went explored, and
so at least you knew exactly what you were getting into.
Probably right? Oh, yeah.
I mean, the kids that come through now, it's, we know we
are mentors to them. It's crazy.
It's simple things like it's Christmas block leave.
They get to go home for Christmas leave, right.
Well, they don't know how to go through an airport.
They've never checked. We're teaching them the most
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basic Rudimental things, like how to check into an airport,
how to do this. Like they, some of them have
never done anything in their life.
They, they are 18 years old. They've never experienced
anything outside of their house.Their parents, you know, this
kind of sheltered them and now we're teaching them.
They, I've had to teach people how to shave before.
It's just the most simplest things that we do for these kids
because you're right, they come right out of their house.
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They're 18 and they don't know anything.
That's pretty cool, though, because you're really the
ultimate mentor, right? I mean, and you're giving good
advice. And it's really great to have
people like you in the military because you know, our younger
generations, they definitely need to to know what it's like
to serve and lead at the same time.
So thank you. No for sure.
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Thanks. So how did you decide to go?
Well, let me back it way up. How did you decide to get out of
high school and then join the military?
You had that break. You said like till you're 26.
So what did you do in between that time frame?
Oh, I had a huge break. So I was 29 actually, so I was
29. So I when I got out of high
school, I went to an automotive school.
I left cars. I got a degree in automotive
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technologies, realized I hated that, and I realized fitness has
always been something I've loved.
I've always been loved just working out.
And I was trying to play collegefootball in high school and that
didn't work out. So at between automotive school
and not playing sports anymore, I decided to eat the same way I
was eating during playing sportsin high school.
And I gained a bunch of weight in that, you know, 20/19/20 year
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range. I put on like 80 lbs and I'm
like, oh, man. And then I lost it in a year.
I kind of just started educatingmyself on, you know, nutrition
and actually worked out properly.
And then I, I got a love for it.And I actually took a job as a
personal trainer in downtown Chicago with my story.
I came into a gym and I just told this one trainer my story.
He was a head trainer. He's like, you want, you want a
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job? And I was trying to move to the
city. I'm a young kid.
I'm like 22 years old. Like, yeah.
So I started being a personal trainer in the city of Chicago,
downtown, in the heart of the financial district.
And I did that for eight years and that was my, my career.
I, I moved from a gym, some people on the date myself,
Bally, Total Fitness. Then I moved to Lifetime Fitness
and I became a training manager where I developed personal
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trainers to train. And I that was my life through
most of my 20s. Wow.
So not only do you like talking about guns, you have some guns.
I mean, I'm not going to say that, but I, I try to say, you
know, being fit at 40 is important to me.
It's the older I get. I try to stay.
I try to stay as fit as I can. I mean, I could have you flux on
camera, but I'll just make a look at your picture.
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You know what's funny? I've done that on the podcast so
much that everyone else, it's not like it hasn't happened
before, so. Oh well, we'll go ahead.
There, Yeah, we can. We can get the guns out there
so. There you go.
They got the gun show. Got a free ticket to the gun
show. So then, OK, so you're in the
military, you're doing this drill instructor thing, and then
you're just like, out of the blue.
I'm going to start a podcast because why?
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So I did not start the podcast. Mike, our founder of Whiskey and
Windage, he was the founder of the podcast.
Mike's probably one of my best friends.
He decided that he wanted to start a two way podcast and he's
like he knew me through Instagram and he knew my other
Co host Math through Instagram. We were friends and he was
trying to find people that were a diversity.
So even in our podcast, the three of us, Mike is a SOTFFL so
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he can have build machine guns, he's an expert, he can transfer
firearms. He's kind of a firearms expert.
And then he wanted to bring someone on the military side of
it because he's a civilian. So he wanted military side.
And then we brought on Matt because Matt is more of a gun
collector, can tell you everything about the history of
firearms, super educated on guns.
So even in our realm where threepeople that are a little
different in the gun world and it started as just a fun thing
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to do for a hobby. And we did that for 16 episodes,
which we no longer have on YouTube because some of them
were when we call it whiskey andwindage.
Well, there was definitely some whiskey involved at the time.
And that's a story too. And we've now got rid of some of
those. And we started getting some
actual like CEO's of gun companies coming on.
And all of a sudden 1 turned into two, then turned into this
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gun company and this and this major influencer.
Before we knew it, it just started getting like, this is
serious. And then the views started going
up and the YouTube channel started growing and Spotify
started and Apple started growing.
It's like whoa. And this year it's kind of
become like a full time job. That's amazing.
I'm super happy for you about that.
You know, a lot of podcasters, they give up within the first
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couple episodes because they're like, oh, I didn't automatically
get a million viewers or listensor whatever.
So congratulations to you on this.
So yeah. Have you been interested in guns
since you were a kid or did thatjust kind of start spiraling
when you were in the military or?
Yeah, so I was super interested in guns as a kid.
I grew up in Chicago. Very, my parents were very
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liberal. We didn't have guns.
We weren't allowed to have guns.They were anti gun.
I wasn't around. I was loved.
I was watching, I'm a kid of thelate 80s.
So you know that this, you know,Arnold, you know, Sylvester
Stallone movies like that's, that was my, that was my jam.
So I've always loved firearms. Had a want to learn more When I
got a little bit older and I wasin Chicago still, I had some
buddies that were cops. So I got to learn a little bit
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about firearms, shooting from them, and then I joined the
military and that was actually the first time I shot a rifle
like, like an AR platform rifle was in the military.
And that's kind of where it all just my love for firearms came
and started educating myself. Yeah.
Never would have thought all of that like especially like coming
from Chicago the most what democratic city basically anti
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gun you can get. And it's like, OK, I'm going to
rebel and I'm going to love freedom and give me guns and and
let me hang out with cops who right now, I mean, you know,
they kind of get a bad rap and hopefully that's changing.
But that's interesting. I've heard that a lot of us, you
know, we take from our childhoodwhat we didn't like and we
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really go full throttle with it,whatever it's going to be.
That's interesting. I did not expect that answer.
I'm sure most of our listeners didn't expect.
That no, it's, it's a love now. It's a passion.
Firearms, it's my passion. It's not just firearms.
It's the advocacy of the Second Amendment.
It's the constitutional rights. I've become more of a
constitutionalist and that is something it's very near and
dear to my heart is, you know, our rights as people, the
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citizens. And so it goes deeper than just
having guns. And I, I love building guns.
I love shooting them, of course,but you know, the Second
Amendment is really what's important to me.
Absolutely freedom. I have to ask because I know my
listeners are probably going to want to know.
Are your parents still living? How are they with all of us?
Oh, it's so. Yeah.
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Great question. So my dad, he passed away a few
years ago from a form of Miss So.
He was sick most of his life with the disease and he did.
He did pass, unfortunately, a few years back.
My mom is alive and well. She is, she's not a gun person
herself, but she's not against what I do.
She's probably surprised at whatI do and how it came about.
I think most of my family that knows about it is they're kind
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of like, oh, that's cool. You're doing this little podcast
thing at 1st. And it was, it was like, oh,
this is cute. You know, we have 40 people that
watch it a week and then all of a sudden, you know, we go from
that and it just kind of it, it's just blown up and it's
getting bigger and it's kind of like, Oh no, this is a serious
thing. Like we're actually going to
Vegas after a SHOT Show, which is the biggest gun show in the
country every year in January. And we're actually hopefully
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we'll find out in a about 15 days if we're nominated for a
Gundy award. So we're we're we hopefully will
be nominated for best second in the podcast of the year.
So probably won't win, but beingnominated will be cool.
So we'll be there on the red carpet on the award show and
it's going to be exciting. We don't know.
We might not be nominated that nominate top five podcasts.
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You know who who knows? So.
You were nominated, and I'm telling you, it's not that easy
just to get your foot into podcasting.
I've been doing it for 17 years and it took me a long time to
build my audience and all that stuff.
I also very, very rarely ever have another podcast host on my
show. But your show was really
interesting. I am not even positive how we
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ended up connecting on Instagram.
I'm sure it was like I followed a hashtag or something along the
lines. But I'm telling you, you guys
who are listening, you've got tocheck it out.
So Adam, share your Instagram account and whatever other
social media you're on. Yeah, so my personal Instagram
is Adam J under score official. And that's really my big one's
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Instagram. I don't do TikTok.
I have an ex, but I haven't evenlike messed with it.
I I'm, I'm that's where I feel bad.
I don't mess with my ex a lot. And then for the podcast, it's
just whiskey and windage. It's whiskey and windage.com.
It's at whiskey and windage on Instagram.
You can just Google whiskey and windage for the first Google.
Like the first page is just going to be, you're going to see
our dumb asses on the first page.
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So it's we're everywhere. Apple, Spotify, iHeartRadio, you
name it, we're on it. You're really incredible though,
because I will say you popped upin my feed a few times before I
was like, okay, what is this? Oh.
I'm the annoying guy. So I've had people tell me that
and they never say I'm the annoying guy.
But I've heard people say, oh, you popped up my feed, you
popped up my feed. I'm like, yeah, I'm the annoying
guy. It's always there.
And then finally, you know, you just like, let me see what this
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guys about. And they're like, oh, he's a
dumbass, but. You weren't a dumbass and you're
not annoying. But they keep popping up in my
feed because finally I was just like, OK, there's another
podcaster, right? That's my automatic first
response every time I see a podcast pop up in my feed
because I'm like, oh, it's just because I podcast.
So another one's just popping up.
Yeah, but no, you literally get on there almost every day.
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Like today I opened up my Instagram and the first thing I
heard was you saying it's Thursday.
And I'm like, it is Thursday andhe just made this again, like
another video again. It's good.
I mean, OK, there is a trick to it and I'll just say the trick.
Sometimes we might pre record things too in the week.
Then we make them, we we load them.
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But that that's a trick to it. Consistency is a trick.
I don't care what you do. And I want to say this since you
are a fellow podcaster and anyone listening to that wants
to start a podcast, because I think we found out this election
how important podcasts are. We found out that I think the
future of real media, getting the truth outs going to come
through podcasts. If you want to start one, anyone
listening, please go out and start a podcast.
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Do it. It takes work.
Patty will tell you it takes a lot of grind, but a fun fact,
I'm sure Patty knows this as well.
If you can make it the twenty straight episodes in a podcast,
you're in the one percentile of people that ever do that.
Yeah, and you know, consistency is huge and a lot of my
listeners know I pre record my shows because we don't have time
every single day to sit there and interview.
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No, not at all. We do it all time.
It's all of our shows are pre recorded.
You have to. I don't.
If you could do a live show, great, but that's tough.
Yeah, it is. It's really tough.
So oh man, thank you for being on the show.
I have another question I ask all my guests though.
So what's 1 trial in your life and how did you overcome that
trial? With Triumph?
Or are you still working on it? That's that's a great question.
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So it's a 2 parter. It's, it starts with overcoming
my additional alcohol, being in the military and then having
some things happen in my life. Of course, like a lot of people
in the military turn alcohol. So being able to conquer that.
But while conquering that, I also conquer the fact that
taking responsibility for me andnot making excuses.
No matter what happens to your life, no matter who does you
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wrong, you can't blame them. It's, it's on you to fix it.
It's on you to put yourself in abetter position.
So being able to conquer addiction, alcohol, and allow
myself to conquer the fact that I hold the responsibility to my
future have been the biggest things in my life, which we're
all every day is a trial for allof us, right?
We all question ourselves every day and like you want to blame
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someone else, but holding yourself accountable every day
in the mirror has been my biggest triumph.
And you're realizing I control my fate.
Oh my gosh, preach. So that's one of the biggest
things I've noticed over, I would say like the last five
years or so of my life is like, you can't blame anybody else for
how you react to something. So you're going to have a
circumstance that might hit you upside the head, but how you
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respond is really how you're going to move forward or you're
going to stay stagnant, right? So.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah, I love it. Love it.
I want you to. Yeah.
I'm going to replay this like somany times on my feet.
It is so important. I have met somebody not that
long ago that is just like blaming everybody for
everything. He's the same as he was, you
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know, when he was a kid because he just keeps blaming his whole
life. Everybody who he runs into, it's
somebody'd fault for something and he can't do that.
I love it. So what is one word of advice
for somebody who might be listening to the show?
Maybe some kid in high school orthat 29 year old who might want
to join the military? What would you tell them?
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Realize it's a career choice, it's not just a thing to do.
And if you do it, give it your all.
Because the military will use you, but there's lots of things
they use back like school. I'm about to finish my
bachelor's degree in two and next month I graduate with my
bachelor's in sports, Health Science, all paid for by the
military. You know, it might have taken me
7 years. The military paid for it.
So take it seriously. Use the military because they're
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going to use. You.
That's very true and very good advice.
So do you plan on finishing out and making this a career or
you're not sure yet? Well, in another year and a half
I have my last contract that I'll go either indefinite or I
can get out and it's up in the air.
Gotta wait and see. Yeah, it's gotta wait and see.
You can't. I can't predict that far ahead
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in my life. I'm not gonna say yes or no.
I'm gonna say we'll see what thefuture holds and we'll make that
decision when it comes. Good for you for taking that
accountability and facing that hat on.
That's a good answer because I know too many who would say, Oh
yeah, I'm going to stay in. And then the next year comes and
I have them back on my show. They're eating their words.
That's why I get your education.That's why I'm working my
master's degree now, and I plan on getting my master's before I
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get out if I choose to get out early.
That way I'm prepared to set myself up for success.
So you got to have a plan. Don't just say I'm going to get
out. I've seen so many people do that
in the military. If you get out, have a plan.
Your plan isn't go to school. Your plan is you should have
went to school while you're in the military and now you have
lined up a job. That's a plan.
What are you taking for classes?Right now, so my my bachelor's
will be in sports Health Science.
So and then if I do my master's,which I'm about to start when I
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graduate, I'll probably be AMBA.Good for you.
It's amazing. All right, well, go ahead and
share your social media again. Tell everybody about your
podcast again before we wrap it up.
And then those of you listening,it's also going to be in the
show notes. Awesome.
Yeah. So whiskey and windage, you can
go to whiskeyandwindage.com is our website.
We got the merch there as well. Instagram is whiskey and windage
on X. It's whiskey and the letter N
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windage. And then you can find me over on
Instagram at Adam J on digital. It's blue checked.
So anything else? There's a bunch of phony
accounts that people make phony accounts at me.
I'm not that cool. And there's phony accounts.
Not sure why. It's because you have so much
good content. They know I'd rather try to make
some money off of you. And I'm not even monetized yet.
I'm like good luck. They're not, but they're going
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to get, they're going to be funny.
Yeah. No, thank you so much Adam for
being on the show. I had a lot of fun today and you
guys make sure you go to his Instagram because he has so
much. You have so much good fresh
content. It's amazing.
But also, I really am into guns.I was raised with guns.
I don't remember a time where there wasn't guns around me.
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So it's like in my penis. I love.
It love it. Thanks everybody, and thank you
Adam again for being on the show.
Thank you, Patty.
Hello, everybody. You're listening to Wake Up with
Patty Catter and I have Adam Johnson on the show.
Welcome, Adam. Patty, thanks for having me.
I'm excited to be here. Yeah, I'm really happy that
you're here, actually, because you're taking time off of your
crazy job as a drill Sergeant. I expected you to bark orders at
me right away, but you didn't. No, no, no.
So you know, the, the thing withthe drill Sergeant is I always
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tell people it's like being a professional wrestler.
You know, there's the bad guys in pro wrestling, but it's an
act, right? You're not really a bad guy.
So when I'm the hat's on, there's there's Drill Sergeant
Johnson and then when the hat's off, it's Adam.
So you, you kind of have to havetwo sides of it.
If you were like that all the time, man, I'd be.
I'd be exhausted. Oh my goodness, I can't imagine.
It seems like you would be exhausted anyways.
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What time do you wake up in the morning?
It depends on the shift, but most days around 3:30 in the
morning. I'm up in the morning, first
formation is around 4:45 for thetrainees, so we are there prior
to that and we just go all day. Oh man, I actually didn't plan
on talking to you too much aboutthis, but I changed my mind
because I'm already so. So tell me this.
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You get up at that time in the morning, do you eat your chow
first or do you go yell at people first?
That's a good question. So I, I intermittent fast.
So technically I don't eat at all.
I, I typically fast around 16 to18 hours a day.
So I don't eat until about lunchtime.
Normally it's like that's my first meal for the day.
So I'm, I'm on just a little bitof caffeine in the morning and
we just go. But I'm used to it.
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I've been doing it for years. So a drill Sergeant, let's back
it up a little for our listenerswho don't know.
Now, mind you, a lot of my listeners are military veterans,
but there's some people who listen who really don't know
what a drill Sergeant does, other than, you know, you have
the on the TV, you have SergeantPayne and all that.
Yeah, exactly. So drill Sergeant, there's two,
there's two sides of the house in the Army.
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So in the Army you're either a basic training drill Sergeant or
you're in an advanced individualtraining, which they've
graduated basic training, now they go to train for their job
and there's drill sergeants there as well.
So I am on the advanced individual training side.
I'm there with the combat medics.
So they've already graduated basic training, but a drill
Sergeant is there to indoctrine the army into the soldiers, to
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take them from civilian to soldier to It's cliche, but we
break them down and build them up.
And it really is that that in that essence.
Now when they get to us, they'resoldiers already.
They've completed basic and now we are just reminding them that
they have not completed their mission yet.
Their mission is to be a combat medic.
So we still have to install the discipline and the Army values
onto them and make sure they're doing the right thing.
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And that's really what we're there for.
We're there to make sure they'redoing the right thing.
How long have you been doing this?
I'm on my third year as a drill Sergeant and that's a little
long. So two years.
It's a 24 month obligation once you complete the Drill Sergeant
Academy for all drill sergeants in the Army.
I volunteered to do a third yearso.
Nice. I'm sure they need it actually,
right? I mean, I've heard that there is
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there downsizing that's happenedor is that a rumor?
Not really. I mean, the thing with drill
Serge is some are DA selected. So Department of the Army
selects a good portion says hey,congratulations, you're going to
be a drill Sergeant. I was one of the crazy ones.
I volunteered, so I went to HRC.Hey, HRCI want to be a drill
Sergeant? I've never seen the Army move so
quickly. Within a week I had orders, so
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fastest ever seen the Army do anything.
And I volunteered for it, but not really.
Sometimes we're more of a need than others.
That's why they'll give incentives, pay incentives for a
third year if we're short drill sergeants, and that's how they
got me so. Pretty cool.
And you have your own podcast. Do you talk about this on your
show? A little bit on our podcast, but
not too much. I mean, we're a Second Amendment
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podcast, the Whiskey and Winnagepodcast.
I have myself with two of the Cohosts, Mike and Matt, and we
primarily talk about Second Amendment related things, gun
companies, YouTube influencers, come on that are in the gun
industry. We poke fun at a little bit.
My Co host will poke fun of me being a drill Sergeant but I
don't really too much only because a lot of the trainees
that I have watched the podcast sometimes so I try to keep that
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separate as possible. Yeah, I get that.
So one thing I did see on your social media, I think you posted
it maybe like a week or two ago,you had your hat on.
And So what is the story of the hat?
Do you even know or is it just part of the uniform?
The campaign hat goes back to like the original drill
sergeant's. It was just the hat.
There's a whole story behind it.But that was the when they when
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we wanted to indoctrine soldiersin I can't remember all the
dates we had to go through and drill sergeant's we had to learn
all the history and I can't remember any of it, of course.
But it, it goes back to the, youknow, the, the campaign hat is
one of the original, like it wasin World War One, worn by non
commissioned officers, of course, and then in the Calvary
and then it kind of got adopted into the drill sergeant's in the
campaign hats. Been there ever since for the
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males and the females wear the Bush hats.
So it's more of an Australian Bush hat they wear, which we're
about to change. And now females are all going to
be wearing the drill Sergeant hat, the campaign hat soon, very
soon. So.
So when they do a change of uniform, I have heard funny
rumors like there's a new commander coming in, so we're
going to change the uniform again.
Is that how it works? Or who decides that the uniforms
are going to change? Are uniforms big army?
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So big army decides all that. I mean, that's going to be, I
mean, I guess commanders, you'reright, but it's going to be like
high generals ranking that decide all those things.
I mean, uniforms change, but when it comes to the hat, like
the hat's been there forever. The female deciding for females
to go to the drill Sergeant hat,the campaign hat that we wear,
it's been talked about for a while.
The Marine Corps, they all wear drill instructors in the Marine
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Corps all wear this campaign hat.
So it's it's kind of what the Marine Corps, what he does.
So we're kind of just going towards one hat for everyone
instead of having females wear adifferent hat.
It's been a big debate forever, but that's about the change.
OK, so that's probably why you wanted to be a drill drill
instructor, just to wear that hat.
I. Know you know what, no, why I
wanted to be a drill instructor or drill Sargent was I saw as a
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platoon Sergeant in the Army thesoldiers that were coming
through and I really wasn't happy with someone coming out of
basic their proficiencies. I'm just like, you know, like we
need non commissioned officers and CE OS to step up and not
just be voluntold to be there because you know, we talked
about the Army taking the top 5%of non commissioned officers to
be drill sergeants. Well, the truth is they are
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taking the top 5% that's available that didn't really get
another job. It's not selected for this.
I wanted to volunteer. I wanted to get back to the
Army. It was almost my time to get
back to the Army, and if I wouldn't have volunteered to be
a drill Sergeant, the Army wouldhave told me I was going to do
something, whether it's a recruiter, an instructor, a
drill Sergeant, possibly. I decided to take that fate into
my own hands and volunteer and get back to the Army.
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Good for you, and how long have you been in?
Oh, I've been in a little over 11 years.
I came in late. I was one of those old privates.
I was 29 when I joined the Army.Wow, I just you and somebody
before you, he said he was 26. And it's really funny because
nowadays a lot of 262728, you know, they don't know what the
heck they're going to do. Heck, I know people who are in
their 40s who don't know what exactly they're going to do.
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So I mean, you have a lot going for you because you did start.
That's pretty young really to still start, you know, a career.
And then to be 11 years in, you know, what is it 20?
You get to fully retire. So you're over half done.
I am. It's Army old though To be in
the Army. I mean, I would have joined when
I was 18. I'd be retired right now.
So from the military. So it's kind of it's Army.
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It's young in a career, but in the Army essence it's old.
Like to be in my position, I'm old.
I'm as old as most battalion commanders that are Lieutenant
colonel's. We're about the same age
typically. So, and it's one of those things
I've dealt with when I went through basic training, I was
older than most Montreal sergeants.
So, you know, it, it, it was fun.
The thing, the advantage was being a little more mature,
realizing things that this is myfirst time away from home.
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I'm not 18. I understand.
Hey, look, this is a game in essence, at basic, this is a
game when you become a private, you just gotta shut up and do
what you're told. And it's that easy.
It really is. I hate to say it.
It's that easy. Just shut up in color, do what
you're told, and you're gonna get yelled at regardless and
just accept it. And I was it was a little easier
being a little older. Yeah, I could see that.
Because otherwise you have a kidfresh out of high school who
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never probably have less left home, never went explored, and
so at least you knew exactly what you were getting into.
Probably right? Oh, yeah.
I mean, the kids that come through now, it's, we know we
are mentors to them. It's crazy.
It's simple things like it's Christmas block leave.
They get to go home for Christmas leave, right.
Well, they don't know how to go through an airport.
They've never checked. We're teaching them the most
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basic Rudimental things, like how to check into an airport,
how to do this. Like they, some of them have
never done anything in their life.
They, they are 18 years old. They've never experienced
anything outside of their house.Their parents, you know, this
kind of sheltered them and now we're teaching them.
They, I've had to teach people how to shave before.
It's just the most simplest things that we do for these kids
because you're right, they come right out of their house.
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They're 18 and they don't know anything.
That's pretty cool, though, because you're really the
ultimate mentor, right? I mean, and you're giving good
advice. And it's really great to have
people like you in the military because you know, our younger
generations, they definitely need to to know what it's like
to serve and lead at the same time.
So thank you. No for sure.
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Thanks. So how did you decide to go?
Well, let me back it way up. How did you decide to get out of
high school and then join the military?
You had that break. You said like till you're 26.
So what did you do in between that time frame?
Oh, I had a huge break. So I was 29 actually, so I was
29. So I when I got out of high
school, I went to an automotive school.
I left cars. I got a degree in automotive
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technologies, realized I hated that, and I realized fitness has
always been something I've loved.
I've always been loved just working out.
And I was trying to play collegefootball in high school and that
didn't work out. So at between automotive school
and not playing sports anymore, I decided to eat the same way I
was eating during playing sportsin high school.
And I gained a bunch of weight in that, you know, 20/19/20 year
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range. I put on like 80 lbs and I'm
like, oh, man. And then I lost it in a year.
I kind of just started educatingmyself on, you know, nutrition
and actually worked out properly.
And then I, I got a love for it.And I actually took a job as a
personal trainer in downtown Chicago with my story.
I came into a gym and I just told this one trainer my story.
He was a head trainer. He's like, you want, you want a
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job? And I was trying to move to the
city. I'm a young kid.
I'm like 22 years old. Like, yeah.
So I started being a personal trainer in the city of Chicago,
downtown, in the heart of the financial district.
And I did that for eight years and that was my, my career.
I, I moved from a gym, some people on the date myself,
Bally, Total Fitness. Then I moved to Lifetime Fitness
and I became a training manager where I developed personal
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trainers to train. And I that was my life through
most of my 20s. Wow.
So not only do you like talking about guns, you have some guns.
I mean, I'm not going to say that, but I, I try to say, you
know, being fit at 40 is important to me.
It's the older I get. I try to stay.
I try to stay as fit as I can. I mean, I could have you flux on
camera, but I'll just make a look at your picture.
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You know what's funny? I've done that on the podcast so
much that everyone else, it's not like it hasn't happened
before, so. Oh well, we'll go ahead.
There, Yeah, we can. We can get the guns out there
so. There you go.
They got the gun show. Got a free ticket to the gun
show. So then, OK, so you're in the
military, you're doing this drill instructor thing, and then
you're just like, out of the blue.
I'm going to start a podcast because why?
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So I did not start the podcast. Mike, our founder of Whiskey and
Windage, he was the founder of the podcast.
Mike's probably one of my best friends.
He decided that he wanted to start a two way podcast and he's
like he knew me through Instagram and he knew my other
Co host Math through Instagram. We were friends and he was
trying to find people that were a diversity.
So even in our podcast, the three of us, Mike is a SOTFFL so
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he can have build machine guns, he's an expert, he can transfer
firearms. He's kind of a firearms expert.
And then he wanted to bring someone on the military side of
it because he's a civilian. So he wanted military side.
And then we brought on Matt because Matt is more of a gun
collector, can tell you everything about the history of
firearms, super educated on guns.
So even in our realm where threepeople that are a little
different in the gun world and it started as just a fun thing
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to do for a hobby. And we did that for 16 episodes,
which we no longer have on YouTube because some of them
were when we call it whiskey andwindage.
Well, there was definitely some whiskey involved at the time.
And that's a story too. And we've now got rid of some of
those. And we started getting some
actual like CEO's of gun companies coming on.
And all of a sudden 1 turned into two, then turned into this
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gun company and this and this major influencer.
Before we knew it, it just started getting like, this is
serious. And then the views started going
up and the YouTube channel started growing and Spotify
started and Apple started growing.
It's like whoa. And this year it's kind of
become like a full time job. That's amazing.
I'm super happy for you about that.
You know, a lot of podcasters, they give up within the first
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couple episodes because they're like, oh, I didn't automatically
get a million viewers or listensor whatever.
So congratulations to you on this.
So yeah. Have you been interested in guns
since you were a kid or did thatjust kind of start spiraling
when you were in the military or?
Yeah, so I was super interested in guns as a kid.
I grew up in Chicago. Very, my parents were very
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liberal. We didn't have guns.
We weren't allowed to have guns.They were anti gun.
I wasn't around. I was loved.
I was watching, I'm a kid of thelate 80s.
So you know that this, you know,Arnold, you know, Sylvester
Stallone movies like that's, that was my, that was my jam.
So I've always loved firearms. Had a want to learn more When I
got a little bit older and I wasin Chicago still, I had some
buddies that were cops. So I got to learn a little bit
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about firearms, shooting from them, and then I joined the
military and that was actually the first time I shot a rifle
like, like an AR platform rifle was in the military.
And that's kind of where it all just my love for firearms came
and started educating myself. Yeah.
Never would have thought all of that like especially like coming
from Chicago the most what democratic city basically anti
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gun you can get. And it's like, OK, I'm going to
rebel and I'm going to love freedom and give me guns and and
let me hang out with cops who right now, I mean, you know,
they kind of get a bad rap and hopefully that's changing.
But that's interesting. I've heard that a lot of us, you
know, we take from our childhoodwhat we didn't like and we
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really go full throttle with it,whatever it's going to be.
That's interesting. I did not expect that answer.
I'm sure most of our listeners didn't expect.
That no, it's, it's a love now. It's a passion.
Firearms, it's my passion. It's not just firearms.
It's the advocacy of the Second Amendment.
It's the constitutional rights. I've become more of a
constitutionalist and that is something it's very near and
dear to my heart is, you know, our rights as people, the
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citizens. And so it goes deeper than just
having guns. And I, I love building guns.
I love shooting them, of course,but you know, the Second
Amendment is really what's important to me.
Absolutely freedom. I have to ask because I know my
listeners are probably going to want to know.
Are your parents still living? How are they with all of us?
Oh, it's so. Yeah.
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Great question. So my dad, he passed away a few
years ago from a form of Miss So.
He was sick most of his life with the disease and he did.
He did pass, unfortunately, a few years back.
My mom is alive and well. She is, she's not a gun person
herself, but she's not against what I do.
She's probably surprised at whatI do and how it came about.
I think most of my family that knows about it is they're kind
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of like, oh, that's cool. You're doing this little podcast
thing at 1st. And it was, it was like, oh,
this is cute. You know, we have 40 people that
watch it a week and then all of a sudden, you know, we go from
that and it just kind of it, it's just blown up and it's
getting bigger and it's kind of like, Oh no, this is a serious
thing. Like we're actually going to
Vegas after a SHOT Show, which is the biggest gun show in the
country every year in January. And we're actually hopefully
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we'll find out in a about 15 days if we're nominated for a
Gundy award. So we're we're we hopefully will
be nominated for best second in the podcast of the year.
So probably won't win, but beingnominated will be cool.
So we'll be there on the red carpet on the award show and
it's going to be exciting. We don't know.
We might not be nominated that nominate top five podcasts.
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You know who who knows? So.
You were nominated, and I'm telling you, it's not that easy
just to get your foot into podcasting.
I've been doing it for 17 years and it took me a long time to
build my audience and all that stuff.
I also very, very rarely ever have another podcast host on my
show. But your show was really
interesting. I am not even positive how we
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ended up connecting on Instagram.
I'm sure it was like I followed a hashtag or something along the
lines. But I'm telling you, you guys
who are listening, you've got tocheck it out.
So Adam, share your Instagram account and whatever other
social media you're on. Yeah, so my personal Instagram
is Adam J under score official. And that's really my big one's
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Instagram. I don't do TikTok.
I have an ex, but I haven't evenlike messed with it.
I I'm, I'm that's where I feel bad.
I don't mess with my ex a lot. And then for the podcast, it's
just whiskey and windage. It's whiskey and windage.com.
It's at whiskey and windage on Instagram.
You can just Google whiskey and windage for the first Google.
Like the first page is just going to be, you're going to see
our dumb asses on the first page.
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So it's we're everywhere. Apple, Spotify, iHeartRadio, you
name it, we're on it. You're really incredible though,
because I will say you popped upin my feed a few times before I
was like, okay, what is this? Oh.
I'm the annoying guy. So I've had people tell me that
and they never say I'm the annoying guy.
But I've heard people say, oh, you popped up my feed, you
popped up my feed. I'm like, yeah, I'm the annoying
guy. It's always there.
And then finally, you know, you just like, let me see what this
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guys about. And they're like, oh, he's a
dumbass, but. You weren't a dumbass and you're
not annoying. But they keep popping up in my
feed because finally I was just like, OK, there's another
podcaster, right? That's my automatic first
response every time I see a podcast pop up in my feed
because I'm like, oh, it's just because I podcast.
So another one's just popping up.
Yeah, but no, you literally get on there almost every day.
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Like today I opened up my Instagram and the first thing I
heard was you saying it's Thursday.
And I'm like, it is Thursday andhe just made this again, like
another video again. It's good.
I mean, OK, there is a trick to it and I'll just say the trick.
Sometimes we might pre record things too in the week.
Then we make them, we we load them.
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But that that's a trick to it. Consistency is a trick.
I don't care what you do. And I want to say this since you
are a fellow podcaster and anyone listening to that wants
to start a podcast, because I think we found out this election
how important podcasts are. We found out that I think the
future of real media, getting the truth outs going to come
through podcasts. If you want to start one, anyone
listening, please go out and start a podcast.
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Do it. It takes work.
Patty will tell you it takes a lot of grind, but a fun fact,
I'm sure Patty knows this as well.
If you can make it the twenty straight episodes in a podcast,
you're in the one percentile of people that ever do that.
Yeah, and you know, consistency is huge and a lot of my
listeners know I pre record my shows because we don't have time
every single day to sit there and interview.
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No, not at all. We do it all time.
It's all of our shows are pre recorded.
You have to. I don't.
If you could do a live show, great, but that's tough.
Yeah, it is. It's really tough.
So oh man, thank you for being on the show.
I have another question I ask all my guests though.
So what's 1 trial in your life and how did you overcome that
trial? With Triumph?
Or are you still working on it? That's that's a great question.
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So it's a 2 parter. It's, it starts with overcoming
my additional alcohol, being in the military and then having
some things happen in my life. Of course, like a lot of people
in the military turn alcohol. So being able to conquer that.
But while conquering that, I also conquer the fact that
taking responsibility for me andnot making excuses.
No matter what happens to your life, no matter who does you
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wrong, you can't blame them. It's, it's on you to fix it.
It's on you to put yourself in abetter position.
So being able to conquer addiction, alcohol, and allow
myself to conquer the fact that I hold the responsibility to my
future have been the biggest things in my life, which we're
all every day is a trial for allof us, right?
We all question ourselves every day and like you want to blame
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someone else, but holding yourself accountable every day
in the mirror has been my biggest triumph.
And you're realizing I control my fate.
Oh my gosh, preach. So that's one of the biggest
things I've noticed over, I would say like the last five
years or so of my life is like, you can't blame anybody else for
how you react to something. So you're going to have a
circumstance that might hit you upside the head, but how you
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respond is really how you're going to move forward or you're
going to stay stagnant, right? So.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah, I love it. Love it.
I want you to. Yeah.
I'm going to replay this like somany times on my feet.
It is so important. I have met somebody not that
long ago that is just like blaming everybody for
everything. He's the same as he was, you
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know, when he was a kid because he just keeps blaming his whole
life. Everybody who he runs into, it's
somebody'd fault for something and he can't do that.
I love it. So what is one word of advice
for somebody who might be listening to the show?
Maybe some kid in high school orthat 29 year old who might want
to join the military? What would you tell them?
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Realize it's a career choice, it's not just a thing to do.
And if you do it, give it your all.
Because the military will use you, but there's lots of things
they use back like school. I'm about to finish my
bachelor's degree in two and next month I graduate with my
bachelor's in sports, Health Science, all paid for by the
military. You know, it might have taken me
7 years. The military paid for it.
So take it seriously. Use the military because they're
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going to use. You.
That's very true and very good advice.
So do you plan on finishing out and making this a career or
you're not sure yet? Well, in another year and a half
I have my last contract that I'll go either indefinite or I
can get out and it's up in the air.
Gotta wait and see. Yeah, it's gotta wait and see.
You can't. I can't predict that far ahead
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in my life. I'm not gonna say yes or no.
I'm gonna say we'll see what thefuture holds and we'll make that
decision when it comes. Good for you for taking that
accountability and facing that hat on.
That's a good answer because I know too many who would say, Oh
yeah, I'm going to stay in. And then the next year comes and
I have them back on my show. They're eating their words.
That's why I get your education.That's why I'm working my
master's degree now, and I plan on getting my master's before I
(21:47):
get out if I choose to get out early.
That way I'm prepared to set myself up for success.
So you got to have a plan. Don't just say I'm going to get
out. I've seen so many people do that
in the military. If you get out, have a plan.
Your plan isn't go to school. Your plan is you should have
went to school while you're in the military and now you have
lined up a job. That's a plan.
What are you taking for classes?Right now, so my my bachelor's
will be in sports Health Science.
So and then if I do my master's,which I'm about to start when I
(22:11):
graduate, I'll probably be AMBA.Good for you.
It's amazing. All right, well, go ahead and
share your social media again. Tell everybody about your
podcast again before we wrap it up.
And then those of you listening,it's also going to be in the
show notes. Awesome.
Yeah. So whiskey and windage, you can
go to whiskeyandwindage.com is our website.
We got the merch there as well. Instagram is whiskey and windage
on X. It's whiskey and the letter N
(22:33):
windage. And then you can find me over on
Instagram at Adam J on digital. It's blue checked.
So anything else? There's a bunch of phony
accounts that people make phony accounts at me.
I'm not that cool. And there's phony accounts.
Not sure why. It's because you have so much
good content. They know I'd rather try to make
some money off of you. And I'm not even monetized yet.
I'm like good luck. They're not, but they're going
(22:56):
to get, they're going to be funny.
Yeah. No, thank you so much Adam for
being on the show. I had a lot of fun today and you
guys make sure you go to his Instagram because he has so
much. You have so much good fresh
content. It's amazing.
But also, I really am into guns.I was raised with guns.
I don't remember a time where there wasn't guns around me.
(23:19):
So it's like in my penis. I love.
It love it. Thanks everybody, and thank you
Adam again for being on the show.
Thank you, Patty.
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