November 18, 2025 • 31 mins
After losing three jobs and nearly everything he had, U.S. Army Veteran Eric M. Wohlwend turned the last of his savings into his first real estate investment — a decision that would change the course of his life forever. Within two years, he and his wife had rehabbed, rented, and refinanced 20 properties, achieving financial freedom by the age of 30.
Two decades later, Eric has repositioned and rehabbed over a thousand properties, built multiple successful companies, and mastered the art of creating systems that eliminate, automate, and delegate work—giving him more of what money can’t buy: time with his family.
Today, he controls hundreds of residential and commercial units, speaks across the globe, and co-authors best-selling books with his family. His kids began buying real estate at just seven years old—without their parents’ money or credit—and one became a millionaire by fifteen.
In this episode of The Vault Expert, Eric unlocks how he built multiple streams of income across real estate —and how anyone can start building Time Freedom and Location Freedom today.
He’s living proof that wealth isn’t just about numbers—it’s about choice, legacy, and living life on your own terms. From rehabbing homes to flying private planes with his family, Eric shows what’s possible when you integrate Family, Business, and Investing into one purpose-driven life.
🔑 Inside the Vault:
How Eric went from broke to financially free by 30
The mindset behind scaling from 1 to 1,000+ properties
Teaching financial literacy to kids who became millionaires
Turning systems into freedom
What true wealth really means beyond money
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Hello everybody, You're listening to a transition
episode. I don't even know if I love that
word, but it is what it is. So you're listening to Wake Up
with Patty Catter, which has become the Vault expert.
If you listened to the intro, you totally get what this is
about. And I have an amazing guest for
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you today, Eric Will Wind. Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having me,Patty.
It's an honor to be your first guest.
And I got to tell you, being an expert in the vault sounds a lot
better to me than waking up early.
So thanks for starting this showwith me.
Yeah, you're welcome. And you know, for transparency,
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after I started my show Wake Up with Patty Catter, there were
like 100 wake up shows popping up.
So I I had to do something different.
I understand, and there's the fact that I don't like to wake
up early anyways. Yeah, I hear that.
I I always wake up early, but I don't love it every morning.
I mean, I guess I'm glad that wewake up, right?
It's better than the alternative.
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Yeah, I think so. At least right now it is.
It absolutely he is. Ask me in 20 years, we'll see.
30 years maybe. Hopefully we both stay in great
health. That would be wonderful.
Yes, yes. So, Eric, if you could tell my
listeners just a little bit about yourself, where did you
come from? All right, I grew up in a small
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town in Ohio, lived here most ofmy life.
I'm actually not that far away right now.
Then went off did a toured Fort Bragg Army airborne Sapper,
spent 13 years jumping out of airplanes, blowing stuff up,
being a medic, teaching medicineand survival and stuff in the
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army. Then my degrees and pre Med that
turned out to be totally uselesswhen I decided not to go to
medical school and I went in search of my life for a few
years. Ended up buying a single family
home and rehabbing it. Two years later I had done 20 of
them. Fast forward now, I've done more
than 1000. I have still own hundreds of
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those. Working on buying another 200
plus in Alabama and Tennessee. So I own property in two states
right now working on the 3rd. And that's, I don't know, dozens
of companies. Not quite two dozen companies
that I own that basically all revolve around real estate and
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everything that goes into it, including training and education
about real estate and business. What?
That's amazing. Oh my goodness.
So Fort Bragg, you, you know, I have to ask because we have a
lot of military veterans, especially 82nd Airborne
veterans. I have a whole nother story on
that. But I have to ask, do you have
home rentals around Fort Bragg? I do not.
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I am considering getting into that.
In fact, I'm looking at buying acomplex called Campbell and I'm
like, Oh yeah, maybe it's near Fort Campbell, KY.
No, it's not. But for your paratroopers at
Bragg, we know they're just dopes on a robe, but you got to
love the aerosol anyways. That's awesome.
We have so many military jokes. So tell me about that first time
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you bought a house. I'm kind of curious about that
now. All right, I was activated after
911. So we're going back a couple of
years here and I'm sitting in a garden shack as an E6 and I have
absolutely no job other than to make sure the landline look
works once an hour at random intervals in log head and make
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sure the radio works once an hour at random intervals.
And babysit for more or less mature, grown up adults that
were private through Pfc, through specialist.
And so you, there's not a lot todo there.
And I drove, I was one of the only people that we were
activated here stateside guarding the dirt.
And I could drive home where everybody else was sleeping in
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the barracks. So I spent 40 minutes driving
each day, working 6 1/2 hours a day, seven days a week.
So we get there before 6:00 AM and then I get done at 12:30,
just afternoon, go out to lunch and I had the rest of the day
free. About that time I read my first
book and it was actually Pfc Clappy.
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She kept saying, hey, Sergeant, you got to read this, Sergeant,
you got to read this. And I being the nice, polite
Sergeant that I was, I said, I'll tell you if you say that
one more time, you're sitting inthe snowdraft for the rest of
the shift. And she gave me this book, Rich
Dad, poor dad. I read it, said, Oh my God, this
is awesome. I almost finished the whole book
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and that six hour period. And I mean, what do we do?
We check an ID, we open a gate, we close the gate.
Hey, Sergeant Smith, you look the same as before.
Specialist Jones. Yep, just like yesterday.
Wait, is threat count? Charlie, are there any bombs in
your trunk or underneath? And to eat, really.
I just sat and read for probably5 of the 6 1/2 hours we were
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there. And then I listened to cassette
tapes and CDs for all of the youngsters on here.
That's what we used to call podcast.
We actually had to go to the library and get these things and
now they're just beamed right toyour phone immediately.
It's fantastic. We can get such up to date
information. So we would do that.
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And I started learning about real estate and then right
before I left and I realized I'mactive and I'm making decent
enough money as an E6 working seven days a week.
And then when I left there, I went back to my duty station and
pretty much immediately got promoted to E7.
But I'm getting paid for weekendduty only, and you can't support
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a family on two days a month. So I decided, well, I had bought
my first house just a couple months before that deployment
ended and fixed it up. Remember, I could drive there.
So I worked on it every afternoon.
And I thought, yeah, let's do this.
And rather than telling my wife that I lost my third job in two
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years, meaning I went from sevendays a week to two days a month,
I went home and I'm like good news honey, I am a full time
real estate investor. And remember she is making, I
don't know, 8/8/50 an hour. And I am bringing in no income 3
1/2 weeks a month at like suddenly.
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And we own exactly 1 rental property that we just barely got
rented. So it's not like we can afford
to pay our mortgage or anything else.
And she looked at me and says, does that mean you lost another
job? No.
But Fast forward two years and we were doing fine.
We had bought enough real estatethat it paid all our bills
without us working. She had quit her job by then and
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we were financially free. I was 30 and she was 28.
Wow. So how do you educate other
people about this? In all kinds of different ways.
First, we have half a dozen bestselling books.
I trained my children. They're my examples if you will,
and they turned out OK. They've never been to a day of
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school in their life. Well, technically the one that
just turned 18, he started College in person classes at 12
at Kent State and got his 60 hours of credit, which he needed
to get a license to do somethingand stopped before he got an
associate's degree, two classes short.
So grandma, the school teacher with the master's degree is all
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upset just, well, you've got to get your degree.
And I never taught them that wasimportant.
The only reason he went to school was not necessarily for
the knowledge. It was just to check a box.
And so we, we've homeschooled, we've taught them outside of the
box ways of thinking and they ended up doing pretty well
enough so that Devin has three books out there.
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They both, I've never given themallowance.
I have never given them a dollarto buy anything.
They had to figure out how to come up with money on their own.
And both of them now 15 and 18, own 40 or 50 properties without
me giving them money. Both of them are buying into
this new big set of six different apartment buildings.
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So they're each buying one of them on their own, and both of
them became millionaires before they could drive.
And that is incredible. And I'm a huge advocate of home
schooling, especially nowadays. Oh my goodness.
Yeah. So.
Really. I mean, the government
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indoctrination system, I mean, the public school system is
really set there. If you look since the late 80s
when we were kids, we came up with this federal Board of
Education, you know, at the federal level, every single
year, test scores have dropped, reading comprehension has gone
down, basic math skills have dropped, and people are freaking
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out because the newest guy in power wants to get rid of it.
But look at what it's done to the education system we need.
It could be decent other than the fact that the whole system
is based on an ancient system, which was great for Carnegie,
who helped set it up because he needed factory workers to do the
same mundane task over and over.And if you think about it, your
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children, whether you believe inwhat they are preaching or not,
they're definitely being indoctrinated in one way or
another, especially based on theschool they go to in the
underlying, the bedrock of the school system as sit down, be
quiet, do what you're told, raise your hand.
You're not allowed to have an original thought.
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The answers are what's in the back of the book.
Even if you can prove them wrong.
It's no, this is what's in the back of the book and there's
just no originality or thinking.I really think we'd be far
better with 20 or 30 people sitting in A1 room schoolhouse
and have one in every little teeny community and neighborhood
where the 8th graders are learning how to be in charge
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teaching the first graders. Oh, I agree.
I homeschooled, so you know, it wasn't by choice at first, but
I'm so thankful that I did. And I will say once the kids do
end up in college, you know, my son said it best.
He's like, mom, I can't put up with some of the things that
they're teaching in college. I know that morally some of
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these things are wrong, and he was right, you know, so I, I'm
a. Listener on our radio show and
that's an I mean we have half a dozen best selling books, the
last four published by the Mark Victor Hansen Library.
We have our own show here on theBrushwood Media Network.
It's on 2 hours a day, Monday through Friday, same one hour
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show, just run twice. And so I'm trying to get the
message out as much as I can to,you know, take responsibility
for everything. Buy more hard assets.
Quit counting on anybody, especially the government, to
take care of you, whether it be for your health services or your
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retirement. You've got to take control of
your own life. Absolutely.
And that's how you can make the world a better place.
Absolutely. And Speaking of assets, so we're
going to get into your head a little bit.
That's your fault. And we are going to talk about
assets. We can talk about financial
assets or we can talk about personal assets and that's going
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to be up to you. Whatever it is, I'm asking that
whatever you have to say is going to be a value to my
listeners. It can be good, it can be bad,
it can be ugly, it can be amazing.
It is whatever you have in your head of yours that you have to
share with the listeners, and the listeners are investing
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their time to get inside this vault of yours.
Well, let's you can't do 1 without the other and what we
have my whole thing, we are the real power family.
Everybody, everywhere we went, we walk in and at one event
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where it's so many different events across the country,
somebody's like, is that guy with her over there?
Like, man, what a power couple. And then some other attendee
just started laughing like, you obviously haven't met the kids.
That's a power family. And this is when they're like,
you know, 7 and 10 years old. So we are all out there starting
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and running our own businesses and doing everything.
And people kept asking me to write a book.
I'm not going to write a book. Why would I write another book
on real estate? There's a million books out
there. You know, there's 100,000 really
good books on real estate. Why would I try and compete with
these greats? And I finally, I'll actually
Mark Victor Hansen said, Hey, Eric, when you write your book,
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of course I'll write the forward.
And what I thought was, are you kidding me?
I told everybody I don't want towrite a book.
And what came out of my mouth was, yes, Sir, I'll get right on
that. And so that's exactly what I
did. I, I sat down and I realized
nobody has raised their kids, orat least their kids haven't
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achieved the success. They believe that they can't buy
a house until they're 18, which is ridiculous.
Of course you can. They believe that they can't get
a loan. Well, maybe not through a bank,
but honestly, and this I told everybody, of course you, your
15 year old can't get a loan through the bank.
Well, guess what? My kids both signed on multiple
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commercial loans before they turned 18.
Now that's not normal. That's not going to happen at
Chase Bank. And yes, they had to have an
adult as part of that, but sincethey were majority owners of the
company, they had to sign. And you know, these small
community banks that we work with allowed that to happen.
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So it really allowed me to question everything, even the
things that I didn't want to push the limit.
I have found that, hey, the limit can be pushed if you
question off and find the right person and he do the right
things. So what our book is is family
success triangle and the bottom line is the more might should.
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All right, let's start with my fear in life.
I didn't want to build an empireand then watch the second or
third generation ruin it. Is it?
Why would I? Sometimes people ask you, but
you already own so much, have such a high net worth.
Why do you keep building? And I said, I don't know.
I mean, what else am I going to do?
I'm not going to sit there bored.
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I'm only 51 right now. I'm not going to just quit and
retire. I tried retirement.
It was horrible. That was the closest my wife
ever came to throwing me out, and that's saying a lot.
But she said you will find something to do with your life,
Eric. And I'm not pleasant to be
around when I'm bored. So I decided to teach my kids
how to do this. And I realized that the more
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that they know, the better off they will be to control and grow
whatever I build by the time I'mdone.
And the more they know about it and work at it, the better the
business gets. And the better the business
gets, the more passive investments we can buy.
And the more passive investmentswe can buy, the more money we
have. So I can hire a maid, I can hire
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a lawn, there's somebody to mow the yard.
I can hire out all this stuff and spend more time with my
family. And it's just a positive
feedback cycle. The family leads into the
business leads into the investing which feeds the family
and it just keeps growing biggerand bigger.
So I have to ask, does your family live together or did the
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kids go ahead and buy their own places?
Because I've heard so many timesthat families who live together,
they become more and more wealthy.
Yes, well obviously my wife and I are together.
I only remember 2 trips that I took without her and they were
extreme circumstances where it was like me and one of the
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children or something went somewhere and she said so yes,
we travel. She does have an office 5
minutes away from here, but we don't work in the same building
even. She runs the real estate
brokerage and I run a construction company and
aviation company and some other things.
But the kids, Devin just turned 18 and March, yeah, he still
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lives here. Ethan does have his own house
that he is going to live in. Right now.
We just use it as our guest house.
It's 2 doors down and whenever friends come to visit.
I got a buddy that comes up fromGeorgia every month.
He stays in there for a couple of days to a week.
And so, yeah, we have, you know,bonfires and stuff over there.
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It's on 10 acres of its own and that is where Ethan will
eventually live. When will he move out?
I don't know, sometimes after he's 18, but well before he
turns 30. I'm a Devon.
The neighbor has already more orless agreed.
They haven't set a price for anything but agreed to sell the
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Devon. So we will have a 25 acres at
our plot in Ohio and then we have more than 250 acres down in
Tennessee where we're planning. Ethan's planning on building his
own house down there and picked out where he wants it.
I've already started site work for where Lila and I are going
to build our house. So yeah, we'll have basically a
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compound in Tennessee as well asour own place in Ohio depending
on the weather or whatever we want to do.
And we'll have houses, right, you know, the three of them on
the same area, if you will, thatwe had ride our four Wheelers or
walk back and forth if we want to.
I. Love that.
Have the kids complained ever? Because I know, you know, my
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kids grew up having to volunteerso much of their time and you
know how kids can be. Sometimes they would complain
like, oh, do we have to go do that again?
You know, they've typically had a really great attitude.
But I have to ask, is it one of those things where they love
what they do? Or is that one of those things
they do what they do because it's work and that's what they
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know? Or how?
Trying to remember, Devin was incredibly little, probably 5.
Ethan was too little, you know, like one or two.
They're about three years apart and he was too young to really
know. But they get to go to my mom's
house every single week. And so on Sunday night, we would
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drive them and there's a Walmartabout halfway in between.
And we'd sit there in the Walmart parking lot.
When my mom showed up, we put them in grandma's vehicle.
And I had bought a small mobile Home Park that was like a few
blocks away from this Walmart. So when we're going in, I want
to check that out first. So it didn't get dark.
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And we were doing a major renovations.
We had just bought it. It was not in good shape.
We had trenches dug. People are walking across the
city says, yeah, you can do this, you don't need a permit
for this part. Then they came in and shut us
down. And then the guy in charge went
on vacation. So we have mounds of dirt.
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We had dug up and put in all newwater lines, but we're not
allowed to tie in the new water lines until they sign off on the
permit. And we are, you know, pickets
and caution. It's a disaster.
And this goes on for a couple ofweeks.
Do we get it cleaned up and reasonable?
But now here we are, you know, 10 or 15 years later, it's still
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great. And there's no water leaks.
So while it was worth it, it wasstressful.
And I thought, hey, let's just stop in and check on this.
It's such a great time. I can see what is done and then
give orders on Monday morning. All right, this is our main
focus. This is what we're going to do.
And so it's maybe the third or fourth time this has happened.
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And we go there on the way to grandma's and Devin said, dad,
why do we always have to come tothis mobile Home Park?
And I said, you're right, this is not fair.
You should be playing with your ya ya what?
What we'll do is I will take youthere and I will never, ever ask
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you to come here again. And he's kind of looking at me
because he's smart enough to know there's a catch.
And I said, and none of the money that I make off of this
park or any of my other real estate will ever go to pay for a
toy for you or take you on vacation or do anything fun at
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all. And he thinks really hard and we
drive to Walmart and he's reallysilent back and I don't know
what's happening. And before he gets out of the
car, he goes, hey, dad, he goes,you don't have a job.
I said, no, son, I don't. He goes, you don't really make
any money other than real estate, do you?
I was like, no, son, I don't. And then he went and jumped in
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grandma's car. And that's the last I heard of
it. So we take him to Walmart the
next week and we're sitting there waiting for, he's like,
dad, aren't we going to check onthe park?
And he goes, I'm, I'm willing togo.
I'm OK to go. Do you want me to get out and
help you at all? And I was like, oh, no, we
finished that project up last week.
Now we're moving on to somethingelse that's not near here.
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He goes, well, I'll go if you want me to, dad.
But yes, that was the one time that he decided this is really
interfering with my childhood. That is amazing.
So now that the kids are, you know, teenagers, really, how are
they with everything? And what do their friends think
about all of this? They have interesting friends,
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like they're texting Sabrina Cardone.
They run their own radio show. It's an hour every Wednesday.
Wow. And I mean, you know, Mr.
O'Connor, he got this great idea.
I agreed to talk for an hour a day and, you know, have the
whole family on real Power Family Radio show.
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And he said hey, you should do this every day of the week.
I'm like, no, no, no, I, I offered one hour, which I know
is going to take me 3 or 4 hoursto prepare for.
Well, I got easier. I mean, stuff just material
presents itself. It's so easy to talk for an hour
a day. He said you should just do your
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own show. I go.
You mean I don't have to always have a guest?
So now we have a family show Monday and Thursday.
Friday is family, and we only talk about finances.
And he goes, yeah, just have a guest once or twice a week and
then let the kids talk once a week.
And I said, let me get this straight.
They're 13 and 15 years old at that time.
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You want me to give a microphoneto my teenagers without out of
golf supervision and you're going to play in front of 2
million people? And sure enough, they started
out and they've gotten significantly better.
Their teenager takeovers, which come out every Wednesday, are
the most listened to their frequently but one or two of the
top five shows of the month. So yeah, they've grown up,
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gotten more mature. They're buying their own real
estate. Devon runs.
He is the manager for the operation side of the real
estate brokerage, managing more than 500 units and looking.
He's already, He got his real estate license right after he
turned 18, went in, got a bank loan on his own to refinance and
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pull a lot of money out of only half a dozen, so about 10% of
his properties and use that to buy multiple more properties.
I've never seen. He never asked me.
He just does what he does. So he has turned into a pretty
good entrepreneur even at 18. And then he meets people that,
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you know, he's connected with, acouple of publishers, multiple
authors, people whose parents have done incredible things, and
they're following in the footsteps.
So he doesn't necessarily have friends that ride their bike
over course. We live in the middle of
nowhere. That's hard to do that.
There's people that he hangs outaround here with, like from Boy
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Scouts and stuff. And Ethan's very strongly to Boy
Scouts still. So he's working, trying to get
his Eagle by next year. And so, yeah, they have one
there. And the Boy Scouts really don't
understand at all about. So I go, Devin, how do you feel
about that? He goes, I just don't talk about
business at all. They don't understand.
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They think I'm nuts. So I don't talk about it.
But when they're talking about doing all the homework, I also
understand that I don't have to do any of that.
I finished school when I was 16.So they they have a different
lifestyle, but it's not like they're they've missed anything.
And he did pick up a girlfriend a couple hours away.
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He's like, hey, dad, we fly me down to Columbus so I can see my
girlfriend. So it's nice that they have
access to an airplane and they can do that.
Absolutely. And it's funny how quickly kids
can graduate from high school because you don't have all of
the different breaks that the school has, you know, 10 minutes
here, 10 minutes there, and you have the opportunity just to
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knock out your work. And I don't know a a child that
homeschools who doesn't want to just know what work they have to
accomplish and they'll get it done as quickly, efficiently and
you know, as fast as really theycan.
And then if they have questions they have worded.
For that. Yeah.
It helps them run their own business and don't get paid for
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time. That's what schools train you to
be an employee to get paid for time.
Yeah, per hour. Right, if you get paid to get
the job done like a business owner, that's what home
schooling teaches. It teaches you how to own and
run a business and provide jobs or apartments.
You providing more for the worldand in return as you give out
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that much more value, you get more value in the return of your
free time and money back if you set it up right.
When you were younger, before you joined the military, could
you even imagine yourself in this situation?
Or was it one of those things where you wanted to join the
military and that's all you wanted to do?
Oh, no, I didn't want to join the Army.
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I just thought it'd be cool to get paid to jump out of an
airplane and shoot a machine gun.
And my dad was a platoon Sergeant and Nam, so that kind
of was easy. But I actually graduated.
I should have graduated at 16 and they wouldn't let me.
So I graduated at 17, went to Kent State, one of the branches,
for a year, and then realized I need to do something to get
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accepted to medical school. And putting on my resume that I
was a medic in the Army for fouryears sounds like a good thing.
And that was the main goal of joining the Army was just to
have some experience in medicineand it to help me get into
medical school. I never considered that I
wouldn't be a doctor. I never considered that I
wouldn't graduate medical school.
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I was just worried about gettingaccepted to Med school.
I mean. That's what I did.
Yeah, that's a very common story, especially amongst 17
year olds who we don't know whatwe really, really want at the
end of the day when we're 17 typically.
Not even a little bit. But yeah, that it turned out to
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be good. And the leadership I got out of
the Army was far, far better forme than the rest of my
bachelor's degree. Absolutely.
So what would you tell my listeners who want to learn more
about real estate? And what if they're in their 50s
and they want to, you know, start dabbling in real estate?
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Or even if they're, you know. Sandlers started with nothing
when he was 10 to 15 years olderthan you.
If you're 50 right now, there are so many people that have
done this. The best time to do it is when
you're 30, and the second best time is today.
Don't hesitate another moment. Don't go anywhere without
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listening to a podcast like Patty's.
Learn from people that have donewhat you want to do.
Don't just go out and buy the books or listen to people who
are great speakers. Some of the best education is
from the people that aren't as good as speakers.
But I've already accomplished what you want to accomplish.
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And everywhere I drive, the first instrument I put into my
airplane was a transponder with Bluetooth so I could listen to
podcast while I was flying. Everywhere I travel, I'm always
listening to podcast that teach me something new like this.
I read my entire family. We don't have a lot of T VS.
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We have one really old TV in ourbasement that almost never gets
turned on. But we do have a huge library
that our whole family sits in for an hour every morning and
reads before we start our day. Read books, read magazines.
We have a free newsletter. You can get it.
Real Power family.com. We have our radio show, the Real
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Power Family Radio show. Patty's got her vault.
Learn from the people that are there and doing what you want to
do and then, as Devin would say,be creative and take action
because nothing is going to happen unless you make it
happen. Absolutely.
And on that note, again, just tell everybody your website,
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tell everybody one more time where they can reach you.
You can find us at realpowerfamily.com and make
sure you tune into the BrushwoodMedia Network, listen to the
Real Power Family Radio Show, we're on every podcast network
there is and multiple radio stations.
And no matter what you do, learn, get education 1st and
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then take action and buy more hard assets faster.
That's how you can improve the world.
Thank you, Eric, and thank you everybody for joining in on
listening today. If you don't know this, which
you may not because it's brand new on the website, the Vault
dot expert, you can head over there and you can join our forum
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and have some really intimate conversation about the things
that we've talked today. And Eric, I appreciate your
time. I know my guests are just eating
this up and thank you for your service.
Thank you very much. It was a pleasure talking to
you, Patty. I hope we meet soon.
Absolutely. In Ohio.
Oh my goodness, I have to throw in there.
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I'm a Michigander so we have a lot to talk about.
Hey, we can be there in no time and then maybe I'll fly it on
South when it's cold here. That sounds good.
All right, you take care. I'll talk to you soon.
And everybody, I hope to talk toyou soon in the forum.
Hello everybody, You're listening to a transition
episode. I don't even know if I love that
word, but it is what it is. So you're listening to Wake Up
with Patty Catter, which has become the Vault expert.
If you listened to the intro, you totally get what this is
about. And I have an amazing guest for
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you today, Eric Will Wind. Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having me,Patty.
It's an honor to be your first guest.
And I got to tell you, being an expert in the vault sounds a lot
better to me than waking up early.
So thanks for starting this showwith me.
Yeah, you're welcome. And you know, for transparency,
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after I started my show Wake Up with Patty Catter, there were
like 100 wake up shows popping up.
So I I had to do something different.
I understand, and there's the fact that I don't like to wake
up early anyways. Yeah, I hear that.
I I always wake up early, but I don't love it every morning.
I mean, I guess I'm glad that wewake up, right?
It's better than the alternative.
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Yeah, I think so. At least right now it is.
It absolutely he is. Ask me in 20 years, we'll see.
30 years maybe. Hopefully we both stay in great
health. That would be wonderful.
Yes, yes. So, Eric, if you could tell my
listeners just a little bit about yourself, where did you
come from? All right, I grew up in a small
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town in Ohio, lived here most ofmy life.
I'm actually not that far away right now.
Then went off did a toured Fort Bragg Army airborne Sapper,
spent 13 years jumping out of airplanes, blowing stuff up,
being a medic, teaching medicineand survival and stuff in the
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army. Then my degrees and pre Med that
turned out to be totally uselesswhen I decided not to go to
medical school and I went in search of my life for a few
years. Ended up buying a single family
home and rehabbing it. Two years later I had done 20 of
them. Fast forward now, I've done more
than 1000. I have still own hundreds of
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those. Working on buying another 200
plus in Alabama and Tennessee. So I own property in two states
right now working on the 3rd. And that's, I don't know, dozens
of companies. Not quite two dozen companies
that I own that basically all revolve around real estate and
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everything that goes into it, including training and education
about real estate and business. What?
That's amazing. Oh my goodness.
So Fort Bragg, you, you know, I have to ask because we have a
lot of military veterans, especially 82nd Airborne
veterans. I have a whole nother story on
that. But I have to ask, do you have
home rentals around Fort Bragg? I do not.
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I am considering getting into that.
In fact, I'm looking at buying acomplex called Campbell and I'm
like, Oh yeah, maybe it's near Fort Campbell, KY.
No, it's not. But for your paratroopers at
Bragg, we know they're just dopes on a robe, but you got to
love the aerosol anyways. That's awesome.
We have so many military jokes. So tell me about that first time
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you bought a house. I'm kind of curious about that
now. All right, I was activated after
911. So we're going back a couple of
years here and I'm sitting in a garden shack as an E6 and I have
absolutely no job other than to make sure the landline look
works once an hour at random intervals in log head and make
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sure the radio works once an hour at random intervals.
And babysit for more or less mature, grown up adults that
were private through Pfc, through specialist.
And so you, there's not a lot todo there.
And I drove, I was one of the only people that we were
activated here stateside guarding the dirt.
And I could drive home where everybody else was sleeping in
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the barracks. So I spent 40 minutes driving
each day, working 6 1/2 hours a day, seven days a week.
So we get there before 6:00 AM and then I get done at 12:30,
just afternoon, go out to lunch and I had the rest of the day
free. About that time I read my first
book and it was actually Pfc Clappy.
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She kept saying, hey, Sergeant, you got to read this, Sergeant,
you got to read this. And I being the nice, polite
Sergeant that I was, I said, I'll tell you if you say that
one more time, you're sitting inthe snowdraft for the rest of
the shift. And she gave me this book, Rich
Dad, poor dad. I read it, said, Oh my God, this
is awesome. I almost finished the whole book
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and that six hour period. And I mean, what do we do?
We check an ID, we open a gate, we close the gate.
Hey, Sergeant Smith, you look the same as before.
Specialist Jones. Yep, just like yesterday.
Wait, is threat count? Charlie, are there any bombs in
your trunk or underneath? And to eat, really.
I just sat and read for probably5 of the 6 1/2 hours we were
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there. And then I listened to cassette
tapes and CDs for all of the youngsters on here.
That's what we used to call podcast.
We actually had to go to the library and get these things and
now they're just beamed right toyour phone immediately.
It's fantastic. We can get such up to date
information. So we would do that.
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And I started learning about real estate and then right
before I left and I realized I'mactive and I'm making decent
enough money as an E6 working seven days a week.
And then when I left there, I went back to my duty station and
pretty much immediately got promoted to E7.
But I'm getting paid for weekendduty only, and you can't support
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a family on two days a month. So I decided, well, I had bought
my first house just a couple months before that deployment
ended and fixed it up. Remember, I could drive there.
So I worked on it every afternoon.
And I thought, yeah, let's do this.
And rather than telling my wife that I lost my third job in two
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years, meaning I went from sevendays a week to two days a month,
I went home and I'm like good news honey, I am a full time
real estate investor. And remember she is making, I
don't know, 8/8/50 an hour. And I am bringing in no income 3
1/2 weeks a month at like suddenly.
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And we own exactly 1 rental property that we just barely got
rented. So it's not like we can afford
to pay our mortgage or anything else.
And she looked at me and says, does that mean you lost another
job? No.
But Fast forward two years and we were doing fine.
We had bought enough real estatethat it paid all our bills
without us working. She had quit her job by then and
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we were financially free. I was 30 and she was 28.
Wow. So how do you educate other
people about this? In all kinds of different ways.
First, we have half a dozen bestselling books.
I trained my children. They're my examples if you will,
and they turned out OK. They've never been to a day of
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school in their life. Well, technically the one that
just turned 18, he started College in person classes at 12
at Kent State and got his 60 hours of credit, which he needed
to get a license to do somethingand stopped before he got an
associate's degree, two classes short.
So grandma, the school teacher with the master's degree is all
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upset just, well, you've got to get your degree.
And I never taught them that wasimportant.
The only reason he went to school was not necessarily for
the knowledge. It was just to check a box.
And so we, we've homeschooled, we've taught them outside of the
box ways of thinking and they ended up doing pretty well
enough so that Devin has three books out there.
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They both, I've never given themallowance.
I have never given them a dollarto buy anything.
They had to figure out how to come up with money on their own.
And both of them now 15 and 18, own 40 or 50 properties without
me giving them money. Both of them are buying into
this new big set of six different apartment buildings.
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So they're each buying one of them on their own, and both of
them became millionaires before they could drive.
And that is incredible. And I'm a huge advocate of home
schooling, especially nowadays. Oh my goodness.
Yeah. So.
Really. I mean, the government
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indoctrination system, I mean, the public school system is
really set there. If you look since the late 80s
when we were kids, we came up with this federal Board of
Education, you know, at the federal level, every single
year, test scores have dropped, reading comprehension has gone
down, basic math skills have dropped, and people are freaking
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out because the newest guy in power wants to get rid of it.
But look at what it's done to the education system we need.
It could be decent other than the fact that the whole system
is based on an ancient system, which was great for Carnegie,
who helped set it up because he needed factory workers to do the
same mundane task over and over.And if you think about it, your
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children, whether you believe inwhat they are preaching or not,
they're definitely being indoctrinated in one way or
another, especially based on theschool they go to in the
underlying, the bedrock of the school system as sit down, be
quiet, do what you're told, raise your hand.
You're not allowed to have an original thought.
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The answers are what's in the back of the book.
Even if you can prove them wrong.
It's no, this is what's in the back of the book and there's
just no originality or thinking.I really think we'd be far
better with 20 or 30 people sitting in A1 room schoolhouse
and have one in every little teeny community and neighborhood
where the 8th graders are learning how to be in charge
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teaching the first graders. Oh, I agree.
I homeschooled, so you know, it wasn't by choice at first, but
I'm so thankful that I did. And I will say once the kids do
end up in college, you know, my son said it best.
He's like, mom, I can't put up with some of the things that
they're teaching in college. I know that morally some of
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these things are wrong, and he was right, you know, so I, I'm
a. Listener on our radio show and
that's an I mean we have half a dozen best selling books, the
last four published by the Mark Victor Hansen Library.
We have our own show here on theBrushwood Media Network.
It's on 2 hours a day, Monday through Friday, same one hour
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show, just run twice. And so I'm trying to get the
message out as much as I can to,you know, take responsibility
for everything. Buy more hard assets.
Quit counting on anybody, especially the government, to
take care of you, whether it be for your health services or your
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retirement. You've got to take control of
your own life. Absolutely.
And that's how you can make the world a better place.
Absolutely. And Speaking of assets, so we're
going to get into your head a little bit.
That's your fault. And we are going to talk about
assets. We can talk about financial
assets or we can talk about personal assets and that's going
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to be up to you. Whatever it is, I'm asking that
whatever you have to say is going to be a value to my
listeners. It can be good, it can be bad,
it can be ugly, it can be amazing.
It is whatever you have in your head of yours that you have to
share with the listeners, and the listeners are investing
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their time to get inside this vault of yours.
Well, let's you can't do 1 without the other and what we
have my whole thing, we are the real power family.
Everybody, everywhere we went, we walk in and at one event
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where it's so many different events across the country,
somebody's like, is that guy with her over there?
Like, man, what a power couple. And then some other attendee
just started laughing like, you obviously haven't met the kids.
That's a power family. And this is when they're like,
you know, 7 and 10 years old. So we are all out there starting
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and running our own businesses and doing everything.
And people kept asking me to write a book.
I'm not going to write a book. Why would I write another book
on real estate? There's a million books out
there. You know, there's 100,000 really
good books on real estate. Why would I try and compete with
these greats? And I finally, I'll actually
Mark Victor Hansen said, Hey, Eric, when you write your book,
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of course I'll write the forward.
And what I thought was, are you kidding me?
I told everybody I don't want towrite a book.
And what came out of my mouth was, yes, Sir, I'll get right on
that. And so that's exactly what I
did. I, I sat down and I realized
nobody has raised their kids, orat least their kids haven't
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achieved the success. They believe that they can't buy
a house until they're 18, which is ridiculous.
Of course you can. They believe that they can't get
a loan. Well, maybe not through a bank,
but honestly, and this I told everybody, of course you, your
15 year old can't get a loan through the bank.
Well, guess what? My kids both signed on multiple
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commercial loans before they turned 18.
Now that's not normal. That's not going to happen at
Chase Bank. And yes, they had to have an
adult as part of that, but sincethey were majority owners of the
company, they had to sign. And you know, these small
community banks that we work with allowed that to happen.
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So it really allowed me to question everything, even the
things that I didn't want to push the limit.
I have found that, hey, the limit can be pushed if you
question off and find the right person and he do the right
things. So what our book is is family
success triangle and the bottom line is the more might should.
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All right, let's start with my fear in life.
I didn't want to build an empireand then watch the second or
third generation ruin it. Is it?
Why would I? Sometimes people ask you, but
you already own so much, have such a high net worth.
Why do you keep building? And I said, I don't know.
I mean, what else am I going to do?
I'm not going to sit there bored.
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I'm only 51 right now. I'm not going to just quit and
retire. I tried retirement.
It was horrible. That was the closest my wife
ever came to throwing me out, and that's saying a lot.
But she said you will find something to do with your life,
Eric. And I'm not pleasant to be
around when I'm bored. So I decided to teach my kids
how to do this. And I realized that the more
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that they know, the better off they will be to control and grow
whatever I build by the time I'mdone.
And the more they know about it and work at it, the better the
business gets. And the better the business
gets, the more passive investments we can buy.
And the more passive investmentswe can buy, the more money we
have. So I can hire a maid, I can hire
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a lawn, there's somebody to mow the yard.
I can hire out all this stuff and spend more time with my
family. And it's just a positive
feedback cycle. The family leads into the
business leads into the investing which feeds the family
and it just keeps growing biggerand bigger.
So I have to ask, does your family live together or did the
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kids go ahead and buy their own places?
Because I've heard so many timesthat families who live together,
they become more and more wealthy.
Yes, well obviously my wife and I are together.
I only remember 2 trips that I took without her and they were
extreme circumstances where it was like me and one of the
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children or something went somewhere and she said so yes,
we travel. She does have an office 5
minutes away from here, but we don't work in the same building
even. She runs the real estate
brokerage and I run a construction company and
aviation company and some other things.
But the kids, Devin just turned 18 and March, yeah, he still
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lives here. Ethan does have his own house
that he is going to live in. Right now.
We just use it as our guest house.
It's 2 doors down and whenever friends come to visit.
I got a buddy that comes up fromGeorgia every month.
He stays in there for a couple of days to a week.
And so, yeah, we have, you know,bonfires and stuff over there.
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It's on 10 acres of its own and that is where Ethan will
eventually live. When will he move out?
I don't know, sometimes after he's 18, but well before he
turns 30. I'm a Devon.
The neighbor has already more orless agreed.
They haven't set a price for anything but agreed to sell the
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Devon. So we will have a 25 acres at
our plot in Ohio and then we have more than 250 acres down in
Tennessee where we're planning. Ethan's planning on building his
own house down there and picked out where he wants it.
I've already started site work for where Lila and I are going
to build our house. So yeah, we'll have basically a
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compound in Tennessee as well asour own place in Ohio depending
on the weather or whatever we want to do.
And we'll have houses, right, you know, the three of them on
the same area, if you will, thatwe had ride our four Wheelers or
walk back and forth if we want to.
I. Love that.
Have the kids complained ever? Because I know, you know, my
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kids grew up having to volunteerso much of their time and you
know how kids can be. Sometimes they would complain
like, oh, do we have to go do that again?
You know, they've typically had a really great attitude.
But I have to ask, is it one of those things where they love
what they do? Or is that one of those things
they do what they do because it's work and that's what they
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know? Or how?
Trying to remember, Devin was incredibly little, probably 5.
Ethan was too little, you know, like one or two.
They're about three years apart and he was too young to really
know. But they get to go to my mom's
house every single week. And so on Sunday night, we would
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drive them and there's a Walmartabout halfway in between.
And we'd sit there in the Walmart parking lot.
When my mom showed up, we put them in grandma's vehicle.
And I had bought a small mobile Home Park that was like a few
blocks away from this Walmart. So when we're going in, I want
to check that out first. So it didn't get dark.
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And we were doing a major renovations.
We had just bought it. It was not in good shape.
We had trenches dug. People are walking across the
city says, yeah, you can do this, you don't need a permit
for this part. Then they came in and shut us
down. And then the guy in charge went
on vacation. So we have mounds of dirt.
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We had dug up and put in all newwater lines, but we're not
allowed to tie in the new water lines until they sign off on the
permit. And we are, you know, pickets
and caution. It's a disaster.
And this goes on for a couple ofweeks.
Do we get it cleaned up and reasonable?
But now here we are, you know, 10 or 15 years later, it's still
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great. And there's no water leaks.
So while it was worth it, it wasstressful.
And I thought, hey, let's just stop in and check on this.
It's such a great time. I can see what is done and then
give orders on Monday morning. All right, this is our main
focus. This is what we're going to do.
And so it's maybe the third or fourth time this has happened.
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And we go there on the way to grandma's and Devin said, dad,
why do we always have to come tothis mobile Home Park?
And I said, you're right, this is not fair.
You should be playing with your ya ya what?
What we'll do is I will take youthere and I will never, ever ask
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you to come here again. And he's kind of looking at me
because he's smart enough to know there's a catch.
And I said, and none of the money that I make off of this
park or any of my other real estate will ever go to pay for a
toy for you or take you on vacation or do anything fun at
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all. And he thinks really hard and we
drive to Walmart and he's reallysilent back and I don't know
what's happening. And before he gets out of the
car, he goes, hey, dad, he goes,you don't have a job.
I said, no, son, I don't. He goes, you don't really make
any money other than real estate, do you?
I was like, no, son, I don't. And then he went and jumped in
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grandma's car. And that's the last I heard of
it. So we take him to Walmart the
next week and we're sitting there waiting for, he's like,
dad, aren't we going to check onthe park?
And he goes, I'm, I'm willing togo.
I'm OK to go. Do you want me to get out and
help you at all? And I was like, oh, no, we
finished that project up last week.
Now we're moving on to somethingelse that's not near here.
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He goes, well, I'll go if you want me to, dad.
But yes, that was the one time that he decided this is really
interfering with my childhood. That is amazing.
So now that the kids are, you know, teenagers, really, how are
they with everything? And what do their friends think
about all of this? They have interesting friends,
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like they're texting Sabrina Cardone.
They run their own radio show. It's an hour every Wednesday.
Wow. And I mean, you know, Mr.
O'Connor, he got this great idea.
I agreed to talk for an hour a day and, you know, have the
whole family on real Power Family Radio show.
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And he said hey, you should do this every day of the week.
I'm like, no, no, no, I, I offered one hour, which I know
is going to take me 3 or 4 hoursto prepare for.
Well, I got easier. I mean, stuff just material
presents itself. It's so easy to talk for an hour
a day. He said you should just do your
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own show. I go.
You mean I don't have to always have a guest?
So now we have a family show Monday and Thursday.
Friday is family, and we only talk about finances.
And he goes, yeah, just have a guest once or twice a week and
then let the kids talk once a week.
And I said, let me get this straight.
They're 13 and 15 years old at that time.
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You want me to give a microphoneto my teenagers without out of
golf supervision and you're going to play in front of 2
million people? And sure enough, they started
out and they've gotten significantly better.
Their teenager takeovers, which come out every Wednesday, are
the most listened to their frequently but one or two of the
top five shows of the month. So yeah, they've grown up,
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gotten more mature. They're buying their own real
estate. Devon runs.
He is the manager for the operation side of the real
estate brokerage, managing more than 500 units and looking.
He's already, He got his real estate license right after he
turned 18, went in, got a bank loan on his own to refinance and
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pull a lot of money out of only half a dozen, so about 10% of
his properties and use that to buy multiple more properties.
I've never seen. He never asked me.
He just does what he does. So he has turned into a pretty
good entrepreneur even at 18. And then he meets people that,
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you know, he's connected with, acouple of publishers, multiple
authors, people whose parents have done incredible things, and
they're following in the footsteps.
So he doesn't necessarily have friends that ride their bike
over course. We live in the middle of
nowhere. That's hard to do that.
There's people that he hangs outaround here with, like from Boy
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Scouts and stuff. And Ethan's very strongly to Boy
Scouts still. So he's working, trying to get
his Eagle by next year. And so, yeah, they have one
there. And the Boy Scouts really don't
understand at all about. So I go, Devin, how do you feel
about that? He goes, I just don't talk about
business at all. They don't understand.
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They think I'm nuts. So I don't talk about it.
But when they're talking about doing all the homework, I also
understand that I don't have to do any of that.
I finished school when I was 16.So they they have a different
lifestyle, but it's not like they're they've missed anything.
And he did pick up a girlfriend a couple hours away.
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He's like, hey, dad, we fly me down to Columbus so I can see my
girlfriend. So it's nice that they have
access to an airplane and they can do that.
Absolutely. And it's funny how quickly kids
can graduate from high school because you don't have all of
the different breaks that the school has, you know, 10 minutes
here, 10 minutes there, and you have the opportunity just to
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knock out your work. And I don't know a a child that
homeschools who doesn't want to just know what work they have to
accomplish and they'll get it done as quickly, efficiently and
you know, as fast as really theycan.
And then if they have questions they have worded.
For that. Yeah.
It helps them run their own business and don't get paid for
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time. That's what schools train you to
be an employee to get paid for time.
Yeah, per hour. Right, if you get paid to get
the job done like a business owner, that's what home
schooling teaches. It teaches you how to own and
run a business and provide jobs or apartments.
You providing more for the worldand in return as you give out
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that much more value, you get more value in the return of your
free time and money back if you set it up right.
When you were younger, before you joined the military, could
you even imagine yourself in this situation?
Or was it one of those things where you wanted to join the
military and that's all you wanted to do?
Oh, no, I didn't want to join the Army.
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I just thought it'd be cool to get paid to jump out of an
airplane and shoot a machine gun.
And my dad was a platoon Sergeant and Nam, so that kind
of was easy. But I actually graduated.
I should have graduated at 16 and they wouldn't let me.
So I graduated at 17, went to Kent State, one of the branches,
for a year, and then realized I need to do something to get
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accepted to medical school. And putting on my resume that I
was a medic in the Army for fouryears sounds like a good thing.
And that was the main goal of joining the Army was just to
have some experience in medicineand it to help me get into
medical school. I never considered that I
wouldn't be a doctor. I never considered that I
wouldn't graduate medical school.
(27:52):
I was just worried about gettingaccepted to Med school.
I mean. That's what I did.
Yeah, that's a very common story, especially amongst 17
year olds who we don't know whatwe really, really want at the
end of the day when we're 17 typically.
Not even a little bit. But yeah, that it turned out to
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be good. And the leadership I got out of
the Army was far, far better forme than the rest of my
bachelor's degree. Absolutely.
So what would you tell my listeners who want to learn more
about real estate? And what if they're in their 50s
and they want to, you know, start dabbling in real estate?
(28:36):
Or even if they're, you know. Sandlers started with nothing
when he was 10 to 15 years olderthan you.
If you're 50 right now, there are so many people that have
done this. The best time to do it is when
you're 30, and the second best time is today.
Don't hesitate another moment. Don't go anywhere without
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listening to a podcast like Patty's.
Learn from people that have donewhat you want to do.
Don't just go out and buy the books or listen to people who
are great speakers. Some of the best education is
from the people that aren't as good as speakers.
But I've already accomplished what you want to accomplish.
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And everywhere I drive, the first instrument I put into my
airplane was a transponder with Bluetooth so I could listen to
podcast while I was flying. Everywhere I travel, I'm always
listening to podcast that teach me something new like this.
I read my entire family. We don't have a lot of T VS.
(29:40):
We have one really old TV in ourbasement that almost never gets
turned on. But we do have a huge library
that our whole family sits in for an hour every morning and
reads before we start our day. Read books, read magazines.
We have a free newsletter. You can get it.
Real Power family.com. We have our radio show, the Real
(30:02):
Power Family Radio show. Patty's got her vault.
Learn from the people that are there and doing what you want to
do and then, as Devin would say,be creative and take action
because nothing is going to happen unless you make it
happen. Absolutely.
And on that note, again, just tell everybody your website,
(30:26):
tell everybody one more time where they can reach you.
You can find us at realpowerfamily.com and make
sure you tune into the BrushwoodMedia Network, listen to the
Real Power Family Radio Show, we're on every podcast network
there is and multiple radio stations.
And no matter what you do, learn, get education 1st and
(30:50):
then take action and buy more hard assets faster.
That's how you can improve the world.
Thank you, Eric, and thank you everybody for joining in on
listening today. If you don't know this, which
you may not because it's brand new on the website, the Vault
dot expert, you can head over there and you can join our forum
(31:14):
and have some really intimate conversation about the things
that we've talked today. And Eric, I appreciate your
time. I know my guests are just eating
this up and thank you for your service.
Thank you very much. It was a pleasure talking to
you, Patty. I hope we meet soon.
Absolutely. In Ohio.
Oh my goodness, I have to throw in there.
(31:34):
I'm a Michigander so we have a lot to talk about.
Hey, we can be there in no time and then maybe I'll fly it on
South when it's cold here. That sounds good.
All right, you take care. I'll talk to you soon.
And everybody, I hope to talk toyou soon in the forum.
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