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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Venus
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learn all things cuckolding forthe curious, for the passionate
and for the sexually empoweredwoman who wants it all.
Let's go.
(00:33):
Welcome to the show everyone.
I'm your host, venus.
Thanks for joining me today.
Today is another confessionsepisode, and it's a good one.
There's a couple of callers andI'm joined by Crystal Welch,
who's going to help me answerone of the questions posed on
the show for today.
It's a caller who is not surewhat to do because he's brought
(00:55):
up this cuckolding thing withhis wife and she's like sure
I'll sleep with other guys.
But they agreed in thebeginning that she doesn't need
to tell him about it, shedoesn't need to involve him, he
doesn't need to be there towatch, she doesn't need to take
pictures.
She signed up for that and now,two years into it, he's like I
(01:16):
kind of want to be there, I kindof want to get pictures, I kind
of want you to tell me about it.
I'm feeling like this kind ofsucks without being involved.
What do I do?
She doesn't want to do any ofthe above.
So Crystal is going to help megive some advice to this caller
about what he can do in thissituation.
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The second one, the secondconfession, is super hot.
I think so, anyway.
You might not agree, I don'tknow.
Anyway, this guy is enjoyingthe cuck life with his wife.
They're having a fucking greattime, you know, living it up
doing the cuck thing.
She's a total size queen.
(01:59):
Okay, guy finds out his bestfriend has a big dick.
Okay, happens to mention it tohis wife.
My best friend has a big dick.
Okay, happens to mention it tohis wife.
My best friend has a big dick.
She starts teasing him about it.
They start dirty talking aboutthis, about his best friend
having a big dick in theirforeplay and stuff.
And now he's like, oh my god,what have I done?
(02:21):
Like she seems really turned onby it.
Do I make this a hard limit?
Am I making a mistake here byus, you know, having fun with
this and dirty talk, or do Ijust let it go and let whatever
might happen happen if it wereto go there?
Very good question.
So I'm going to tackle thosetoday and, oh yeah, coming up
(02:45):
soon, I'm going to be doinganother cuck porn rate and
review show.
I haven't done one of these in,I think, like two or three
years.
It's been a minute, uh, andI've done I don't know, I've
done a few of them before, butit's been a long time.
They're always really, reallypopular shows.
(03:06):
What you do is you send me, youemail me please don't bombard
my social media email me yourfavorite cuck porn videos.
I mean like the, really thebest of the best, and then I'm
going to of the best and thenI'm going to watch it, rate it
and review it, maybe possibly onthe show.
(03:29):
So you can also feel free tosend me the most fucking hideous
, ridiculous ones that you comeacross too, because why not?
It's entertaining.
In the past, though, I've beena little bit savage with my
rating and reviews of people'scuck porn videos.
So, um, anyways, just givingyou fair warning, uh, so send me
(03:51):
your favorite cuck porn videosand it might make it onto the
show and, uh, we'll see how thatgoes.
Anyway, it's definitelyabsolutely going to be a great
one when that comes out.
Absolutely going to be a greatone when that comes out.
So email me, venus, atvenuscuckledresscom, or you can
just see the link with theinformation in the show notes
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for today.
Okay, that's it forannouncements.
I just have a couple quickmessages before we jump in for
today's Confessions show here wego.
Today's Confessions show here wego.
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Speaker 3 (07:28):
Hello, my wife and I
are in our mid-twenties.
We've been married for fiveyears, going great.
So I'll set the backstory formy question a bit.
We've been in the lifestyle forabout two years.
She's had a handful of partnersover that time and from the
start we've had a rule that shedidn't have to film it or tell
me about it at all if she didn'twant to, at least the first few
times she was a new guy.
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I've never minded that rule andI don't mind all that much if I
don't get a video or don't getto hear about it.
But I have noticed thatwhenever my wife brings up it
getting filmed or, even better,me being in the room, she just
isn't a a fan.
She talks about how she hatessomeone herself.
She doesn't like to talk dirtyto me about it after I've even
tried to see if you'd be dumb tojust voice record while she's
(08:12):
with the guy um and many otherthings you've recommended as
sort of stepping stones toprogress whatever through the uh
, cuckolding lifestyle, and sheshot down, shoots down every
single one of them, and I'vealso explored some kinks with
(08:34):
her as well.
So I guess my question iswhat's going on with her, do you
think how can I make her feelmore safe or comfortable to
include anyone in this?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Thank you All right,
crystal, I'm excited to have you
jump in with me on this onebecause I, surprisingly, have
not tackled this question on theshow before.
I don't think, anyway, if I did, it was a long time ago.
But I've come across thissituation a few times, more than
a few times, over the years,and it's a real dilemma and I
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really do feel for this caller.
So I'm excited to have you onthe show so we can talk about
this, about what this guy shoulddo.
So basically, they've beenmarried for five years.
They're in their mid-20s andthey've been I guess she's been
sleeping with other guys for acouple of years.
They're in their mid twentiesand they've been, I guess she's
been sleeping with other guysfor a couple of years.
But what I found interesting wasthat he said in the beginning
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they had a rule where she didnot have to tell him about it
and she did not have to film it.
He did not have to be there towatch or anything.
Basically, he did not.
He told her I don't need to beinvolved, and so she signed up
for this and was like okay, Ican do this.
And a couple years later he'slike well, this kind of sucks
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Like.
I kind of want to be involved.
You know a little bit something, something Right right.
And so he's tried to adjust thatrule and boundary as they go
and is having no success.
So, Crystal, what are yourinitial thoughts on this
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situation?
Have you come across thisbefore?
You've heard about this fromguys.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yes, I've been asked
the same question and a couple
things come to mind.
Number one they're super young.
When they're young and theydon't have a lot of life
experience to begin with, andthey start this thing that's
completely outside the nine dotsof what everybody thought their
marriage was going to be.
There's a lot of hesitation andthere's some trepidation,
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probably more on the part of thefemale, like whatever they get
afraid of, like maybe my husbandwill end up rejecting me after
I do this, or something likethat.
I think it's in that area.
But but just in the same way,my initial answer to him would
probably be something like inthe same way that you, when you
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guys decided to do this, youmade some agreements and you can
change those agreements.
I think that's where you start.
You've got to start bycommunicating.
So perhaps if he would sharewhat it is he feels like he's
missing, what he wants to bemore a part of and then work
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with her to find a level ofcomfortability, it might come
with just more experience.
But you can't bypass the partwhere you talk deeply to your
partner Like he's feeling alittle left out.
He wants to be involvedsomewhere.
Maybe she could have some ideasabout how that might be, but
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you start where you are and youtake baby steps.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And so that's what I
would advise is to acknowledge
that you had an agreement thathe wasn't going to be involved
and that, you know, somethinghas shifted and changed for him
and he'd like to be moreinvolved.
Maybe he could share with herlike I would love it if you
would let me take pictures, Iwould love it if you would maybe
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send me out of the room andhumiliate me a little bit.
That has to come from him.
Whatever it is that he'sthinking in his own mind that he
would like to experience, thoseare the things he needs to
share with her, because thatthen, you know, it may not be
something that's so outlandishthat she go.
(12:49):
Oh yeah, sure, that's easy, wecan do that.
But to just acknowledge thatthey've made an agreement and
it's time to revisit theagreements that they made,
that's, that's how I guess Iwould approach that.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, I do feel like
I I can understand why she would
be hesitating.
I do feel like I can understandwhy she'd be like nah, I don't
want you, I don't want to dirtytalk this, I don't want to tell
you about it afterwards, I don't.
I just don't feel comfortabledoing that, embracing that side
of me.
I get that, especially because,as you said, they're young.
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They're young, you know theygot married when they were like
what?
20 or something like.
Like you don't even really knowyourself at that age, right,
nevermind your partner.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Right and no frame of
reference to anything.
And so yeah, so, yeah, so theygot to start with A cutting
themselves a break.
But the other thing you knownot only, I think, if he would
share kind of what's in his mindabout how he might like to be
involved Ask her some genuinecuriosity questions like what
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are you most afraid of?
What kind of gives you the ick?
Are you embarrassed about somepart of this?
You got to just unleash all ofthat stuff to each other so that
you really kind of this is thepart of cuckolding that so many,
I think, especially youngcouples miss is that it can be a
pathway to just profoundintimacy.
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But that starts with theseconversations that might be
tough or might feel like they'retricky in the beginning, but if
you're willing to march intothem and be really transparent,
really vulnerable, yourself withwhat it is you're wanting,
encourage your partner to do thesame, you could end up with a
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much, much more intimaterelationship between the two of
you and it's worth everything towork toward that, because
that's one of the gifts incuckoldry that keep on giving,
it builds and it can continue tobuild over time.
But to establish thatmethodology of you know we've
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been doing this for a while.
I'm feeling like I want tochange something.
I want to change something.
Let's talk about how we mightadjust our agreements so that
we're both benefiting from thesedecisions that we're making and
you'll feel closer to yourpartner, you'll respect them
more, you'll know them better.
I mean, this is the stuff thata 20-something.
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They haven't had experiencedoing this in any part of life
and now they're in the thick ofa marriage and taking on some
hard stuff.
But, man, it pays big benefitsif they can get that part.
If they can get that part, thenit pays really big dividends if
you find the courage to just bereal transparent with your
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partner.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, Years ago I
surveyed the women in the Venus
Connections program and I askedthem what draws you into that?
Why do you want this kind ofrelationship?
Why do you want a cuckoldingrelationship Like, what is the
pull, what's the gravity here?
And they all said the samething it was because it's a
one-sided, open relationship.
But the second question that Iasked them was now that you know
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more about it or you'veexperienced it, what is the
biggest pull for you?
And it was still the one-sidedopen relationship part.
But the interesting part was theother thing they said was I
didn't realize that next levellove, trust and connection that
you get from this.
I didn't know that that was athing.
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And now that I know that it's athing, I actually really love
and appreciate that.
And that's what you're talkingabout, that next level kind of
emotional intimacy that you havewith the person who you love.
And this wife, this young wife,probably doesn't know that that
exists because because it'sbeen presented to her as
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cuckolding, as you sleeping withanother guy, it's you letting
another guy put his dick in yourpussy and that's that's the
fantasy and that's what I want,that's what the probably what
the husband said to her.
I want you to sleep with otherdudes, which I get that so many
guys are focused around that oneact that that's how you pop
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your cuck cherry is only whenshe sleeps with other guys.
But like you're missing thewhole fucking point.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's it
.
That's it that you Becausereally, when I advertised for a
function of everything, we'vebeen programmed to believe that
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marriage and relationships aresupposed to be from a woman's
standpoint, that whole thinggets thrown into the fire in
cuckoldry.
It was a benefit that you canonly experience it by
experiencing it.
And they're in a perfectposition.
As young people, they probablystill have other curiosity about
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each other.
You got a lot to learn yet andlet it be part of that where you
can really figure out,understand that you have to take
it on trust to begin with,because nobody talked about this
to me when I started.
It's just that we discovered it.
We ran right into it Like, ohmy gosh, I've never felt closer
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to you in my life and when youshared this about that and I
shared that and we shared thisthing and we got in and it on
trust for now.
And open up that communicationwith her and be really
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vulnerable about what it is thatyou're wanting to see and ask
her, be curious about her andher experience, because really
it isn't just about having sexwith other guys.
It really isn't.
It looks like that's what it ison the surface.
It's so much more than that,and so, for those young people
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you know the stage that they'reat they need to take that on
trust and be willing to pay theprice to get to that deep, deep,
deep intimacy that many peoplewon't reach if they're married
for 30 years, exactly, andthat's the truth, yep.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I agree, I think yeah
, absolutely.
And I have come across guysbefore where they're married to
a woman who refuses to cuckoldthem but does agree to sleep
with other guys, as long as shedoesn't have to tell him or
anything.
The same agreement, basically.
And he's just so desperate tobe what he thinks is cucked that
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he's like, okay, that'll do,that's good enough, it's not
perfect, I don't have to bethere or whatever.
I would like to be there, butshe won't let me.
So it's fine, as at least she'ssleeping with other guys.
And they realize the hollowness, the emptiness that comes with
that after a couple of yearswhere they're like this is not
fulfilling Right.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Not like I thought it
would be.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Not like what I
thought it would be Exactly.
Where's the fun in this,where's the joy in this?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's missing Exactly,
and I think there's also should
be an acknowledgement that forthose women that feel like they
have to keep it hidden or thatsomehow maybe they get off a
little bit on oh, I'm cheating,or whatever there's a certain
amount of shame involved.
There's a lot of sexual shame,I know in our culture, here in
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the US, in westernized cultures,a lot of shame that women that
want to sleep with people otherthan their husbands, you know we
get slut shamed and you knowwe're less than in some way.
And so the acknowledgement thatyou know for her, the
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reluctance to openly share thatexperience and really tell them
all the you know gory detailsand all of that stuff that she's
going to have to tackle her ownshame mechanism to do that, and
that's, you know, that's askingquite a bit.
You should ask it because,again, every one of those doors
that you open will take youcloser to that intimacy and
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understand that there's a giftin doing it.
It's not just to torture you.
But you know, and it's the samefor the cuck.
You know I saw, I saw Bichardunfold as a human being when he
acknowledged you know some ofthe things that he enjoys, that
normally, you know, a machoalpha, you know, successful male
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like he was, you know, wouldnever admit that in a million
years.
When he did, and I justaccepted him and I encouraged
him and then I gave him more ofthat, he blossomed like a flower
.
Oh, I bet he blossomed like aflower and it brought us so
close that, I'm telling you,dynamite couldn't blow us apart
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after this many years of doingit.
But I allowed him, I gave him apathway to walk into his own
shame mechanism and to accepthim there, to see him right
there and accept him right there.
All of a sudden the shameshackles are off.
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We started making fun of himand calling him a little penis
and a little sissy faggot boyand all kinds of stuff which now
we laugh about it.
But when you think about whereyou start, you can't start there
.
You have to work up to that.
But if you can get to the partwhere everybody can expose their
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shame mechanism and then youcan start to play with that, you
know the world will become youroyster and I'm telling you
it'll take you to an intimacythat I believe.
Yeah, it's not possible in atraditional relationship unless
somehow in a traditionalrelationship you recognize that
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everybody brings a certainamount of sexual shame to the
table and you're embarrassedabout everything that you feel
shame about, everything thatyou've been taught to be
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shameful about, and your partnercan lovingly accept you right
where you are.
That's a ticket to relationship, nirvana, I'm telling you it is
.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
And that goes both
ways for men and women.
Absolutely, women deal with alot of sexual shame.
They have to unravel a lot ofshit.
Yeah, and that's probably whereshe's at right now in her
mid-20s.
She's probably, like you know,got all of that.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, no thinking
female in our culture, I know,
wants to be slut shamed.
Yeah, no, thinking female wantsthat.
And so we hide it and we'resecretive.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Even to our own
partner, that we're married to.
Absolutely yes.
Yes, there are things that I'venever, ever, ever said to a
partner before and I probablynever will.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But the bigger issue
too is that that you're.
You know, for many womenthey're hiding it from
themselves Absolutely, and itgives you a pathway into your
own spirit and a pathway intoyour partner that I'm not sure
you know cause I'm pretty old.
I'm not sure I would have everhad a chance at that.
You know in any other way andI'm grateful and I'm grateful
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for it.
You know I can laugh, I canlaugh and you know he can tease
me all he wants about being aslut and I go, yeah, wearing it
proudly.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I love it For this
couple.
I feel like I think akink-friendly counselor or
therapist would be really greatfor this couple.
Yeah, because, like the shit'sreally difficult for anybody to
navigate it is, but there's somuch at stake here.
(25:29):
They've got their you knowyoung marriage.
Who knows if they're, you know,working on kids or family,
whatever, like there.
There's so much at stake thatthey really do need to work
through this in a way that ishopefully not going to harm each
other or their marriage, and akink friendly therapist or
counselor can help them so muchin that can help them.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So much in that I
agree completely A sex positive
therapist.
If they can hear what we'resaying and they recognize that
there might be some truth inthat for them, it will be a lot
to take on for a 20-year-old, Ithink.
And so getting somebody that'sa pro in the field, a sex
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positive therapist, could bejust so invaluable, because I'm
telling you, it will paydividends that you can't even
imagine.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yes, yes, it costs
money in most cases, right?
Yes, it's very worth it.
So I will post the link to.
I've got two resource links forsex positive therapists, kink
aware therapists, and where youcan look one up in your area,
and a lot of them will dovirtual sessions as well.
(26:44):
So it's super easy to accessand, yes, it costs some money,
but absolutely worth everyfucking penny.
So yeah, yeah, absolutelyCrystal thank you so much for
coming on.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Thank you for taking
on this topic, because I think
it's probably more common thannot and it's, and I think it's,
you know, it's just a greatopportunity to talk about that
stuff.
So I thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Hi, I had a question.
So me and my wife been into thecuckolding world for some time.
She's cucked me four times andwent perfect.
Our cuckolding relationship ishealthy.
We trust each other, we telleach other everything.
(27:34):
She knows that she's doing itfor me because that's what I'm
into, but at the same time she'screating me a cuck hold because
a cuck, I should say, becauseshe's a size queen.
So it's just a full circlewhere now I'm into cuckolding
(27:54):
and she understands it and she'sgetting her satisfaction on
being able to go get big dickand knowing that.
I'm okay with it, as long as wetell each other everything and
do this the right way.
So, and like how you say youknow women should have it all
and that's basically what I'mgiving her, like you can have it
(28:17):
all.
So it's healthy, it's good, welove it.
Um, you know it spices it upbig time.
I feel like like it's boostedup the sex life and so
everything's all good.
So my question is well, so onenight out of we were out
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drinking with a couple of ourbest friends and later that
night, while we were at home, meand my wife were having some
foreplay before sex and I hadbrought up that while we were
out drinking, when me and myfriend Frank was in the bathroom
, I by accident saw his dick andI had told my wife while we
(29:04):
were having foreplay I wastelling her that I was jealous
because he had a big dick, andyou know I'm small.
So we were like laughing,joking about that and I seen
that she got turned on when Iwas telling her that he had a
big dick and you know she was.
We were at an airbnb togetherthat night.
(29:27):
We're out on a trip and youknow she was like we know that
we both know that him and hiswife have a horrible sex life.
He probably gets sex probablyonce a month if he's lucky.
She's not it.
She will never be into no typeof fantasies like cuckolding or
any anything like I thought theyeven have any foreplay like
(29:51):
it's just horrible the way hetells me and my wife.
So while me and my wife werehaving foreplay that night, you
know I seen that she got turnedon and she was.
She was like I don't know howit came up, but we were like
saying we should add him, tellhim to come to the room and, you
know, have a threesome this,this and that, and ever since
(30:15):
that night his name will come upin our foreplay a lot now.
So we'll always bring him upand you know my wife will say
you know she wants his big dick,you know she wants to suck it,
she wants me to catch herbouncing on it and all that.
And you know it's hot that andyou know it's hot.
(30:35):
You know it's hot and I meanfuck, we're into the cuckolding.
So it's no different of youknow, like I like me getting
jealous about it.
But the whole difference isit's our friend.
Well, my question is is like,did I make a mistake on telling
my wife that our friend has abig dick?
Or should I, if I can't controlit and not allow her to have
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any type of sex with him?
You know, because there's timesI'll jokingly say to her like
oh, like I'm I'm not gonna share.
Like you know, if we're havingforeplay, I'll like I'll slap
her ass or and all that, andI'll be like I'm not gonna share
this with him and she'll justlike laugh and be like too late,
I want his big dick now.
(31:26):
And he's like I don't know ifshe's joking, like I've never
asked her, but I don't know if Imade a mistake on including him
into this foreplay.
And now it can happen it canreally happen or I don't know
like if it was to happen, I willobviously be turned down by it.
It will be hot and I know thatmy wife would like not fucking
(31:53):
leave me for him.
But the whole point is like, ifI can control it, should I stop
it or should I just let it goand let it be in?
If it happens, it happens.
I love this question.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I love this story.
Oh, my love this story.
Oh my god, this story is reallyfucking hot Because my first
cuck boyfriend we loved to talkfantasy, talk about all sorts of
really naughty shit like that.
He loved the idea of me fuckinghis clients because he was a
(32:31):
business owner.
He loved the idea of me fuckinghis friends or even fucking his
dad.
Like we went there.
As far as fantasy talk goes, wedidn't go there in real life,
but we went there and it was sofun and like.
I know that you know thisdoesn't appeal to a lot of
people.
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This talk is like crossing aline or whatever.
It's just too taboo.
Okay, so I get that it's nothot for everybody, but oh my god
, it was really fucking hot forme.
So I love this story and I lovethe fact that you guys are
having fun with it and you know,as you're doing foreplay, you
are talking about it, you'regetting off on it, you're
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talking dirty about it.
I mean it's a lot of fun in thebedroom and that's great.
I say, fucking, go for it andlet her have fun and tease you
about it.
I mean there's absolutely noharm in that.
Now, when there is, harm is, orcould potentially be, harm is
when you go and decide.
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If your girlfriend decides, orwife, partner whatever decides
to go and do this for real, thenthat's where you can be
potentially harming thisfriendship.
And you said that this is yourbest friend, these are your best
friends, that you go away on atrip together with and share an
Airbnb with.
This is obviously reallymeaningful, important friendship
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in your life.
I would definitely not want torisk that.
I would say only go for anexperience with your best friend
if you have his wife's total,complete, 100% on board consent
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with him playing with yourpartner, your girl, and that's
well, I don't want to say notlikely, because I'd like to
think that we live in a worldwhere the monogamy, non monogamy
, is not weird, but like for alot of people that is, and in I
would probably guess that shewould be not down for that.
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But you never know, you neverknow, right.
Maybe she would be okay withlike, yeah, go ahead, get banged
by this hot chick, um, and.
But you know, probably not.
But there that's a conversationthat they could have together.
Who knows, I don't know.
And if she says yes, thenfucking go for it, and that
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would be super hot and whatever,not to say that it still
wouldn't be a lot of drama atsome point or difficult at some
point, I don't know.
But for now, have fun with itin the bedroom Like fuck, yes,
you know, I would be all overthat.
I think that would be just sofun.
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Oh, but just yeah, I as far aslike taking that fantasy into
reality.
Oh, be careful on that one.
Really honestly, be careful.
There's a lot of landminesaround that one.
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