September 14, 2024 • 55 mins
Gianni AKA Confident Cuck is back and this time he shares an incredible story of how he and his hotwife girlfriend went to a swingers club for the first time.
It's common to assume that cuckolding couples wouldn't necessarily be able to have the kind of experiences they seek at a swingers club but that's just not the case. Listen in to discover just how sexy and thrilling a night out at a sex club together can be - with some cuck spice added in!
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So she looks back at him and Iwas like are you okay with that?
So she like turns around andlike shakes her ass at him and
(00:47):
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Speaker 1 (01:06):
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(01:33):
Welcome to the show everyone.
I'm your host, venus.
Thanks so much for joining me.
And today on the show I haveconfident cuck returning and he
is going to be talking about howhim and his girlfriend went to
a swinger's sex club and,although they are a couple who
enjoy cuckolding activities intheir sex life, they were able
(01:54):
to make a swinger's sex clubnight out totally fucking
thrilling and fun.
So you're going to love thisstory.
You're going to learn a lotabout how, as a cuckolding
couple, you can still have lotsof fun in a swinger's sex club
and, oh my god, some of myfavorite parts in this.
I can't wait for you to listen.
It's so good.
Anyway, it's such a great story.
(02:16):
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It's Joy Mode Joining me on theshow.
I have a recurring guest,johnny also goes by the name
Confident Cuck and he has anamazing blog.
He's been on the show severaltimes, as well as a guest on
Pillow Talk too.
(06:40):
I always love our conversations, so welcome back to the show,
johnny.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Thanks for having me, Venus.
I appreciate being here.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So today we're going to have a fun little
conversation about this recentexperience that you had.
You and your partner went to aswingers club and I'm dying to
know how that was like, becausethat's something I've actually
never talked about on the showbefore about couples who are
interested in cuckolding or arein a cuckolding relationship or
(07:09):
just have like spicy littlecuckolding moments in their sex
life.
If they go to a sex club,what's it going to be actually
like for them?
So I'm really excited for youto share this story, but before
we get into it, do you want tojust have like a quick little
blurb for the people who don'tknow who you are?
Just a quick little blurb aboutwho you are and about your
(07:30):
relationship dynamic.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, so I am Confident Cook.
As Veena said, I have a blogwhere I talk about the positive
benefits of cookholding as wellas the masculinity that I feel
with it.
And, as a disclaimer too, I wasgoing to say that normally I
don't go into too much detail onwhat's going on in my personal
relationship at the moment, justbecause I feel like that's
(07:56):
giving a lot of details of theother person's story too.
But I have talked with mypartner and she's okay with me
sharing what we had here,because it was such a positive
experience as well.
So, yeah, so currently, mycurrent partner is pretty new in
a cuckolding.
I've had a few cuckoldingrelationships in the past.
This is definitely her firstone, much more traditional, but
(08:18):
she's been open-minded.
Like you said, we've had somespicy moments and sprinkled it
in.
I haven't done some of thecrazier things that I might have
talked about in previous times,so we went to a swingers club
recently, and that's what we'rehere to talk about.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Okay.
So how did this all happen?
Like, how did you guys decideyou're going to go to a swingers
club together?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, and you know we have an everyday life like
everybody else.
You know we have the bills topay, we got to go to work, we
got to, you know, take care ofeverything in the household, so
we don't always get the mosttime to go out and do crazy
things.
But my partner, she actuallyhas a really good friend.
They've been friends since theywere very young and she said I
(09:11):
have to tell you something.
She's recently divorced.
Her current boyfriend is alsorecently divorced and they went
to the swingers club and theyhad a great time there.
And she was nervous abouttelling my girlfriend and she
ended up just laughing about itand being like oh, you have no
idea, johnny's a cuck.
And she's like well, what's acuck?
So they got to talking about itand she was like okay, you guys
have to come to the next one.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, wait a second.
So she's been friends with thisgirl for a really long time and
obviously like they'd never hadlike the real kinky
conversations before.
But your girlfriend was liketotally okay with just dropping
that to her Like oh yeah,johnny's a cuck, and did she ask
you about this beforehand?
(09:49):
Is it okay if I tell my friend?
Or she just was like nah, youwon't care, or how did that even
happen?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
She knew I wouldn't care.
Yeah, I mean, my family knows,like literally my mom and like
everybody in my family knowsit's not something.
I'm shut up.
It's like I tell everyone atthanksgiving different.
Then they're like, hey, youguys are gonna have the
marshmallow, I'm gonna have thecream pie.
Like no, we don't, um, but they, you know, know about it, we've
talked about it before, um, andjust like, talking about you
(10:18):
know how you talk about likeintimacy, like with you know,
your family, and so sometimes itcomes up and oh hey, this works
for us, you know, yada, yada,yada.
So, yeah, everyone in my familyalready.
And so sometimes it comes upand oh hey, this works for us,
you know, yada, yada, yada.
So, yeah, everyone in my familyalready knows.
So she definitely had no ideaor no problem telling her friend
about it.
So, and when she told me, I waslike oh yeah, that's great,
let's go, I'm down.
She's like I figured you wouldbe.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So you had never been to it like a sex club before
you said you've been to likehouse parties that were like
that, but not an actual club,right?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Correct.
Yeah, I had been to houseparties in the past that you
know there was like a, basicallyan orgy room and then other
bedrooms that were locked offfor certain people and you know
drinking like in the kitchen andstuff like that, but I had
never been to an actual club orprofessional one like that.
So it was definitely a newexperience for um, for me and my
(11:05):
partner and then, um, herfriend had just been there the
one time with with her nowboyfriend that that are together
with them.
So it was a theme night.
It was a G?
Uh Egyptian theme.
We didn't go super into thethemes but I kind of wish we we
did more Um, but uh, but yeah itwas.
It was great.
There were people wearingeverything from pull out pharaoh
costumes and Nefertiti to, youknow, just wearing a polo and
(11:28):
some slack.
So it was a good time.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I've been to sex clubs before and I I think
in the beginning I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to
totally get into like the themeand stuff like that.
But then I realized, man, it'sa lot of work every time to have
to do that.
So I was like, ah, fuck it,whatever, but it is fun to get
(11:51):
dressed up and it is fun to likejust, it's a, it's a great way
to feel like you're doingsomething really out of the
ordinary, kind of fun, kind oflike Halloween, but like
throughout the year dressing up.
But exactly, yeah, that's funthat you guys got to do this
together as a first, because yousaid like you're way more, you
know, experienced with kinkyshit than your girlfriend and
(12:11):
yeah, right, yeah that's nicethat you, you, you guys both got
to do that as like a first.
So, um, so you guys, you saidyou sort of got like dressed up
so you went, went all togetherlike there was you, you as a
couple and then her friend as acouple as well, right, yeah, so
the way that this place workedis, on one side of it was the
(12:34):
actual bar where there's dancing.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You know, there's a place to sit down, there's a
place to go out and and smoke orvape.
I was a designated driver I'mnot really a big drinker anyway
and I was like I'm gonna lovethis no matter what.
I don't, I don't need my mood,but I want to be tuned in to all
this, so, um, so I wasn'tdrinking, but they were all
drinking, having fun, um, havinga good time.
So first we're out there, uh,dancing and having a good time
(12:58):
there, and then the other sideof it, um, that's the actual
like sex part of it, and to getin there it's because it's the
swingers only you have to be incouples, so you can't go in as
um a single person.
I'm sure they probably wouldhave let single women in there,
because you know that's the waythat works, but, um, but yeah,
there were no, uh, single guys.
Well, I really didn't see anysingle people.
It was all um couples on theother side of it.
(13:20):
But we just started the nightjust dancing and having a good
time with, you know, peoplewearing very revealing clothing.
My partner really likes todance, so we were getting really
raunchy on the dance floor butalso kind of giggling that we're
in our older ages now and ourknees aren't as good as some of
the other, some of the otheryounger 20 somethings that were
breaking it down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now, did you guys get it like a tour of the club?
Because I've only been to thesex club here locally and it's
run by this woman and she'sincredible and she, the way she
has it set up, is that when yougo in as a first time couple,
that you have to.
Well, she had you watch a videoand then you had to get shown
(14:02):
around the club and theyexplained all the rules to you
and everything like that, and itwas like there was a lot of
emphasis on consent andetiquette.
So was it like that there?
I'm just curious to know if itwas the same.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So there wasn't really there.
Normally is they take you on awhole tour for it, but this
night was a sold out night andwe just got in because her
friend actually signed up forthe membership and then they had
a plus one to bring it in, soit was all regulars that were
there.
I don't know if they do anyvideo or anything outside of it,
but they um instead, let the um, let the people that we were
(14:38):
with give us a tour.
So, basically, they led thetour, and then, when we went
into um, like in the club sideof it, it's just a club anyway,
so there wasn't anything goingon there.
But you do, like sign a consentthing and they talk about that
and they ask you a few questionslike are you okay?
You know that you make thenudity and all this kind of
stuff.
Um, you know, if you, you know,feel bad, do this, uh, they
also have the wristbands.
Uh, like let's say what you'reokay with.
Nobody wore them, though, but um, but uh, and the other side of
(15:04):
it was really just a bar, the um, the sex side of it.
That's where it was um a lotmore.
You know, there was, there wasstaff all around, there were a
few, uh, security guards hereand there.
Um, there was really nice staff.
There was a, uh, a vendingmachine yep, it was like a fancy
vending machine, um, and Inoticed that they sell tums
there, which sometimes I getindigestion, so I appreciated
(15:26):
that.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
My partner saw that she's like, oh they have tums, I
want to ask you this otherquestion, because in the sex
club that I've been to allthroughout the club, the play
areas of the club there'sbaskets of condoms, lube, wipes,
like I mean, dental dams, likefucking everything just sitting
(15:50):
there for you to take and use.
Was it like that there too?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, there's.
So basically, when we walked in, we went through the tour.
There's the individual roomsand they all have a theme and if
you want the room, you just askfor them.
You get it for an hour at atime and you can open or close
the blinds in there and thenthere at the back of that
there's like a shower area andthen there is a watching room
where it has the glass open tothe big couples area that I'll
talk about in a second and thathas a little area where you can
(16:19):
hook up, but it's mainly forpeople like to watch and look
out, because the mirror is, orit's a, it's a uh, whatever,
whatever.
Where you, it's a mirror on oneside and a window on the other.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
A one way mirror.
A one way mirror right.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, so, uh.
So then we went through thatand then there's like a little
store area I was talking about,where they have the different
things there.
I'm not really a store, butjust like a little booth in the
middle of it, um, and then onthe other side of that you have
to be, uh, oh, wait.
First there was a dungeon, um,which we walked into, uh, the
dungeon, and we saw themflogging and everything, yeah,
and during this whole time mypartner had already been, uh,
(16:53):
dancing and grinding on me, sowe were like really turned on on
the dance floor and everything.
And we came in there and I wasstill like grinding on her and
feeling her.
And then her friend looks at herand she goes are you okay with
this?
Is everything okay?
And for a second my heartskipped a beat.
I was like wait a minute, isshe seeing something I'm not
seeing?
Is she not okay with this?
Is this too much for her?
Um, but she's like no, she's,but she's like no, no, this is,
she's like I'm very interestedin this.
(17:15):
Uh, so, uh, she was asking, likewhat the rules were for
flogging, like if you can go upand look, and she just straight
free, walked up and just juststarted inspecting it for five
minutes and it's not really herkink, she was just interested in
it and everything.
And then the dungeon mastergave us some more rules on what
to do in there and the cleaningmeasures, the safe words that
(17:36):
they have.
And then we saw the big openroom where couples were, and
this just had beds with thewaterproof sheets, and then you
had stations there that hadsheets, the waterproof sheets,
and then you had like stationsthere that had sheets, they had
towels, they had lube, they hadcondoms, they had sprays and all
that kind of stuff.
There's like three or four ofthose, like throughout the,
throughout the whole area.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, okay, so okay, when you guys went from like you
, you started in like thedancing area and then you went
over into, like the play areaswhat was your girlfriend, just
like I know you said she waslike all curious and stuff like
that.
But what did you guys have to belike, okay, are you ready for
(18:15):
this?
Like?
Are you like?
Because I felt like that waslike a big thing for me.
When I first went to the club Iwas just like you know, in my
mind imagining, okay, there'sgonna be all these people like
having sex everywhere.
But then I was like it can't,it can't possibly actually be
like that.
Right, I kept thinking it can't, it's not, it's not gonna be
(18:35):
like what I'm imagining.
Oh, it was, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And I was just like wow.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And I was just like, wow, so yeah, when we were on
the dancing side, we had startedto talk about the revealing
clothes people were wearing and,oh, maybe we should have gone a
little bit more intense on thecostumes.
I was like I told you guys,because I was looking on Amazon
for stuff, she's like you're notgoing to wear animal print
stuff.
I was like it's Egypt, I can belike a cheetah, it's great.
(19:05):
I was like it's Egypt, I can belike a cheetah, it's great.
I was having fun with it.
Um, so, when we were dancingand grinded, they were all, they
were all drinking and, like Isaid, my partner really likes to
dance.
There was like nineties, twothousands like rap and R and B,
which is her jam, I mean, to thewindow, to the wall, like we
were, we were having fun with it.
Um, and we were grinding a lotand and she was feeling, you
(19:26):
know, really aroused by it aswell.
Um, she did wear something thatwas like very like bejeweled
and like bedazzled, so it kindof looked like it was, um, one
of like those really like thicknecklaces, but it was like on
her shirt, um, and the shirt waslike a onesie thing too.
So, and like the sexy leatherdress, it was great.
And she's very um, she, uh, herass is definitely her, her most
prominent feature, um, it's,it's a really nice ass.
(19:48):
It's big.
I like big ass.
Um, and she also the way herbody proportions, everything.
Her upper body is much smallerthan her lower body, so it like
accentuates it even more.
Um, so we were like kind ofplaying, like you know, showing
that office, and like she wasgrinding on me and talking you
know people watching a littlebit, who I see this over here,
um, and then once they're alllike loose and ready, uh, we see
(20:11):
some people like starting inthe head out, and then we're
like all right, do we like wantto do it?
And we're like, yeah, I waslike is everybody comfortable?
And I'm from New York, so I'mlike I got no problem with a
metal detector in a club, likeyep, that'll be safe, that's
fine with me.
Um, I was happy.
I didn't wear my cage though,because she didn't want.
(20:31):
She didn't like want to exposethem that much.
So the couple things, um, she'slike, but we go through, they
give us that little tour andthen when we get to that last
area I told you, the couplesarea.
That's where, like you said,people are just having sex.
There's one area with, like,the lights on, but then there's
(20:53):
a room in the back and this iswhere that one-way mirror is and
it's just got a red light inthere.
There's porn on the big TVthere and when we walked back
there, we started just likekissing and her friends started
like to go off to one area.
Um, because they're the clubreally felt more like an
exhibition and voyeurism ratherthan trying to hook up with
(21:15):
other people.
Pretty much everybody stayed ontheir island, um, but when we
first walked in there, um, herfriend, before she went off with
, uh, her boyfriend, she pointedout this one guy in there who
had like a 10 inch big blackcock, super thick, super dark,
and this super pale, very skinny, uh, uh like tall, slender,
white girl there and just shewas just like stroking it and
(21:37):
like everybody could see it, andthis was still like at the
beginning of the night.
So there were only like maybeeight, ten couples like in this
whole big area and we were justlike starting to watch that as
she went out and as her friendwent out.
And I asked my partner becausewe said on the beginning of the
night we were like, okay, we'regoing to do hot, cold, warm and
(21:57):
cool, just for you know, how areyou feeling about it?
And I was like how are youfeeling?
I was like hot or cold, andshe's like let's go get a room.
She's like let's go get a room.
So it only took her about likefive, ten minutes like of like
grinding on me like you know,watching uh that, and she was
like looking right at him andstuff too.
(22:18):
And the reason she was doingthat too is before before her
friend went away.
She's like most of the peoplein here they like if you watch
them when you do that, so uh, soyeah, she's like looking at it
and just like really turned onby it.
Um, so we go get our own room.
Um, and it wasn't too eventfulin the room.
It was just, you know, uh,normal, normal sex going on, but
we forgot to get a sheet, so wejust have the towels and, um,
(22:39):
cleanliness is a big thing formy partner, so we had the.
She didn't want to be on the,you know, on the bare stuff
herself, so we're like trying tonavigate that.
Um, and my hands were on things, so she didn't really want me
like to finger her too much, soI was just eating her out with
like no hands at all.
Um, and yeah, and just like theway everything worked, I wasn't
like able to like come in themoment.
I was kind of likeoverstimulated, so I was just.
(23:02):
I was like I'm not going to besome good sex in there, some
raunchy sex, uh, and that waslike fantastic.
Everything was good, um, andthen we get out of there and as
we get out of there, I I want,like other people like to see
what we're doing, like I, youknow it's starting to be on the
thought of everybody in there.
So we go back to the area andthen we start to to people watch
(23:22):
more and as we're, as we'redoing, the people watching she's
like looking one way and I'mlooking another, and as we hear
the moans from different people,we're describing what we're
seeing on either side and thatwas like it was just like such a
little thing, but it was suchlike a sexy turn on Cause, like
we couldn't see what each otherwas looking at and oh, and
unfortunately, the cause we weretalking about like trying to
find that that guy before,because she really likes 10 inch
(23:47):
BBC yeah.
Yeah, but he was, he was gonealready.
He was gone.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
We came out and we were like he was suffocating
under a pile of women somewhere.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.
We looked for him but yeah, hewas already gone by the time
that we got there, unfortunatelydone with everything that we
did.
So we're just like grindinglike that and having that talk
right there was really good.
And then I started telling herbecause I knew that, like she
was like she didn't want tostart getting busy on anything
right away, like she wanted tomake sure we got a sheet.
This time we got everything,especially because we were out,
(24:21):
like where other people were.
And so I started telling herabout how, when we get back to
the hotel, I'm going to get allclean for her and then I'm going
to fuck her in the hotel andI'm going to.
And she was loving that.
I was like, yep, I was likewe'll just get all dirty here
and have this, have this, youknow, nice watching time here.
I was like, and don't worry,I'll just use my mouth here, but
(24:44):
then I'll go like to sober up abit, as it's, you know, getting
later on the night.
So her friend is still there,like going to town, going crazy
over there, and I'm worried thatbecause she's sobering up and
like we're kind of not stuckthere.
But you know what I mean.
We're with other people that,um, that it might, you know, uh,
they kind of go away that themood might shift.
But as we're doing that, westart just like kind of, uh, we
(25:06):
get a sheet and we just lay onthis one big circle bed and it
was kind of weird putting it onbecause it was like a triangle
that we had to put a squaresheet on.
But I made it work and Isprayed it all down nice before,
and she's like thank you forcleaning up for me.
And I was like, of course, mydear, and just like those like
little chore each other anddoing stuff, and and I start
(25:27):
telling her how she can have anycock in here that she wants,
but, um, but my cock is the onlyone that's hers and that, um,
and that I'm not going to haveany pussy, that's the only pussy
that I can have is hers.
She can have any cock, but Ican only have her pussy.
And like that dichotomy waslike turning us on so much, so
like it started hitting us likea wave and we started to get
into it again and she was likekind of nervous about like
(25:49):
having sex in front of people,so I didn't know how far she
wanted to go with it.
So I'm like slowly undoing mypants and pulling out my cock
and we started doing it and shehas a onesie on and I just start
pressing against like that, youknow, like fabric in the middle
without like taking it off andwe like start to see like a few
eyes on us or anything.
So I'm just doing that andgrinding in on it and because of
(26:10):
like the angle that we're at,like I said, she has a big ass
kind of hard for me to get likethat deep in there.
So that kind of like denialpenetration sex was actually
like really really hot Cause youknow, it looks like we're
having sex Everybody's seeing usdo that, but I'm not
penetrating her and that waslike a really really sexy denial
thing.
Um, and then this is it's got tobe like almost 1 am at this
(26:31):
time.
Um, I like look up and thewhole night it was a very
diverse crowd.
There was um people of every,every creed, every color, um 20s
, 30s, 40s, 50s, like 50s, likea lot of different people tall,
penny people, skinny people, youknow, um short people, fat
people, every every day you canimagine.
So it was definitely like avery diverse crowd just in
(26:52):
general.
And then towards the end of thenight I'm like looking up as
we're in the middle of this andthere's like five to seven
couples that come in and it'sall black guys with all black
girls and a few of the blackguys just come in and like
starting to like flirt withdifferent couples and it was
like it was funny.
(27:12):
I told my partner after I waslike it was like they're running
out of the bowl.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Funny how that happens.
Huh, they just come in and theystart flirting.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's funny how that happens so, yeah, and like the
mood like definitely shifted andI looked like off at the porn
like on the tv and there waslike some bbc porn on the TV and
there was like some BBC porn onthe TV and I'm like, okay, this
is cool or whatever, um, andlike a few guys like I saw got
turned down.
But this one guy was likelooking at my girl's ass and I
told my girl about it and she'slike, yeah, she's like does he
(27:39):
look good?
I just like hear the clip upand like see the cause.
It was like elastic, just likesee it like fly out like from
her ass.
And just I was, I was like inheaven, right there, and and and
(28:04):
like he like puts on his condomand he's like slow, and she's
like looking at me and I'm justlike looking at her and then
like she starts like to stroke,like me right there, um, but
like she's focused on him, soshe's not really like stroking
me.
She just like ends up justgrabbing my balls and just like
squeezing my balls as we'rethere and she starts like just
fucking him and they just likego to town, yeah, and just like
(28:25):
she, just they just startfucking.
It's, it's amazing.
You know, I'm like watching itand um, and he goes until um, he
comes, and it was probably like15, 20 minutes.
Um, he didn't really like uh,wait for her to come.
She told me after that she didlike she goes, eat my pussy
(28:45):
right now, eat my pussy afteryou get it done.
And I'm we are right in frontof the like the mirror, like
everybody can see right where weare there, and when she lays
down there, I just put my facein and start like eating her out
and she ends up coming and likesquirting and like it hits the
mirror and I couldn't breathefor a little bit Cause she's
(29:11):
like holding my head in and I'mlike and like it's all wet and
crazy and just it's like we likeheard something like on the
other side of the mirror.
Turns out that there was likefive or six people watching um,
so uh, so yeah, that happened,uh and uh.
And then we like get our stufftogether and then we find out
that our, our friend, was overthere.
Actually, uh, they weren't likewatching us because there was
other people to watch too, butthey told us when they were in
the watch side, because they hadalready finished, that they
weren't doing that too.
(29:33):
So then they ended up like,seeing that you guys got really
intense.
They're like, yeah, you know,we're kind of into that.
And then we ended up likeleaving.
I drove everybody back.
We went to the hotel where wedid end up having that clean sex
.
I got in the shower.
Well, first she got in theshower and she's like let me
just have a minute to put myselfin the shower.
And I'm like, all right, and alittle bit of me is worried that
(29:54):
, damn, maybe they're not goingto hang out Because I haven't
came.
This whole time I am on edgeand I'm sober, I'm just ugh.
So I'm like, okay, hopefullythis happens.
So she gets out of the showerand then she comes to me and she
gives me the coffee and she wascleaning this off too.
She goes and I want you to comeout hard with that on.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
So I'm like okay.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So I get all clean, I take a nice steamy shower, I
come out and she just gets ontop of me and starts riding me.
And we have this thing where,like if I'm, if I'm feeling like
more in a submissive mood, I'llsay like my penis and I'm
feeling more like masculine.
I'll say like ah, and that'sjust, you know, like a like good
indicator between us, like whatmood we're feeling for
everything.
(30:37):
And it's also like if I'm, ifI'm like more like on the limp
side, cause sometimes you isn'talways like crazy wet and
everything.
You know what I mean.
There's different, there'sdifferent moods for that.
So it's like fun to have thatplay like with a penis and then
like, have this hard cock.
So she starts fucking me andI'm like, damn, like my cock
feels so good inside of you.
She's like that cock.
She's like that cock is so hard.
She gets harder than I felt,she gets bigger than I felt, um,
(30:59):
I've ever felt and I'm doingthat.
And as she does that more, um,she starts going.
She starts going, but it's notas big as him.
She goes.
I want more, I want more cock,I want bigger cock and I am.
I am like off my mind and asshe keeps going like that, I was
like what do you want?
I was like, tell me what youwant.
I want big black cock, I wantbig black cock.
And she ends up coming and Icome, and it was probably only
like 45 seconds but it was likethe most intent, like completely
(31:23):
unloaded, um yeah.
And then she made me go down toher one more time and like
eating out the cream pie, um uh.
And then like I fingered herand stuff too, like to really,
like you know, give her apenetrating one.
But like at that time we werejust our minds, were like so
fuck, we didn't even like sayanything, we're just like uh, uh
, the same thing.
In the morning, like I was likeI woke up and I was like that
(31:46):
was amazing and she like saw Ihad a hard cock and she got
right on top of it and she'slike I was like how does that
feel?
She was like I can barely feela thing.
She goes, she's like I needthat and she goes I need more
cock and just same thing.
And just came to her and shehad never been into the any type
of like race play or anythingbefore.
Not that she's against it, likeshe's has no problem ho up with
black guys, but it's just not.
(32:06):
She doesn't care one way oranother and it's not that big of
a deal to me, like I'm muchmore into like the cuckolding,
you know, side of anyway.
I want her to get off with whoshe's with, so it doesn't really
matter to me who it is.
But there's an extra level of,you know, sex appeal there and
it was kind of funny how, youknow, the mood definitely
shifted a little bit there.
She found one and it was great.
(32:29):
It was a great time.
That was my night.
I had to share it with you,venus, because I knew that you
loved it, especially those timeswhen we were just talking in
there, when we were seeing theother stuff.
That was so hot, just tellingeach other that my cock can't
have any other pussy but she canhave any cock in here that she
wanted, and just like gettingoff on that, like that was.
(32:51):
It was so hot because as a guy,like the default expectation is
kind of like you would get withany pussy you could get.
You know what I mean.
It's like all right if we canget pussy, take it.
So there's almost like adesperation there, like if you
do like go out and just fuckeverybody, whereas the girl's
only more reserved and stuff.
So that way if you are going tohave sex with someone like
you're, you're putting up a highbar like for who you're
actually allowing inside of you.
(33:11):
So like having the guy like dothat, uh, uh, contrary role
there, um, and kind of subvertthat expectation there and be
that in that denial and andholding being in control and
taking what she wants and beingable to have any cock that she
wants, and just it was.
It was so good, even though hewasn't as big as the first guy
(33:31):
that we saw, um, it was still itwas.
So really he was like a good,like eight, eight and a half
inches that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I love how that all played out because, like, I mean
, how many okay was that thefirst time she slept with
another guy since you guys havebeen together?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
no, we have, um, we've had one that we've done
like a full-on couple dayexperience, um, and then we've
had, uh, a few that she's goneout um and hooked up with guys,
either texted me or called melike during that um, and then I
told you some things havehappened in my life that have
made, you know, going out onthat stuff a little bit more fun
.
So we've done a lot of dildoplay, um, and she's gotten very
(34:08):
comfortable with the dildo playas well, because there isn't an
expectation, there's not theinsecurity of another person
there, and with insecurity Imean, you know the fact that
there are safety concerns thatyou have to take into account
when you're bringing somestrange horny guy in.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, that's what you guys experienced at that club
is probably like I don't knowsuch a great way to sort of dip
your toes into it, because, likethere's no, when you go to this
club, there's no expectationthat you're going to do anything
right.
You're going to just playtogether and whatever.
You can just like go and watch.
I mean, there's like noexpectation, no pressure to do
anything, or at least thereshouldn't be any pressure from
your partner to do anything at aplace like that, but for her to
(35:06):
be able to just go and watchand explore and talk and, you
know, get turned on and thenstill not feel like she has to
do anything is a great kind oflike no pressure scenario for
her to feel comfortable toexplore if she wants to.
That's exactly what happened.
(35:26):
I mean and that's that's thegreat part about it because she
was allowed to like, like, bereally turned on, get really
turned on and make thosedecisions in that moment where
she was just like OK, I'mfeeling good, I want to do this,
and look how it turned out.
Like that is hot.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, fuck.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah it was.
And when we had left theprivate room I had said I was
like I'm probably not going tobe able to come.
I was like, just cause, likethere's so much going on and you
know, we like we're not at goodangles and you know all that
kind of stuff Um, I was like mymind's in a thousand places.
I was like, so the only thingthat I would like is if, when
we're out there is if you justlike, stroke me off.
I was like, and you can do that, not even you can keep it in my
(36:10):
pants.
You're going to love, you'regoing to love this.
So, because we don't have thecage, whenever we don't have the
cage and I'm wearing jeans, wecall it the denim dungeon.
So I was like you can even playwith it in the denim dungeon.
So so that that was the onlyexpectation.
(36:31):
I was like that's the.
And she was like, yeah, I'mtotally fine with doing that.
She's like I don't think I'mgoing to want to do anything.
But then it just once it wasthere and once, like you know,
she saw the you're okay withthis, alright, and it was really
.
It was really great and, yeah,just giving her that freedom to
do whatever she wanted.
That also made me feel reallyat peace, that I knew that I
(36:51):
could do.
I could know that could just be.
I could know that, whatever Iwas doing, that she was okay
with it, that we had our safewords, we had, um, I didn't feel
any off vibes the whole time.
Um, and we had talked aboutthat before, like what happens
if we feel this way, whathappens if we feel off?
And I was like you can juststart at any time, there's no
expectation, but you don't haveto hook up with anyone.
Um, and because it was muchmore of like an exhibitionist,
(37:12):
voyeuristic vibe, at least atfirst there and there weren't
that many people intermingling,it was just kind of like okay,
we're all in this sexy moodtogether, everybody's just
having fun and having sex.
Not necessarily that we're likein a ball all having sex
together and like everybody'stouching everybody.
Cause, like I said, thecleanliness is always her
biggest thing, which is why shejust did doggy with him.
(37:32):
She was like I don't even wantto lay down in this thing, I
just want to be up here, andthat's why it was more
satisfying for her when we gotback to our place.
Well, the hotel was just good.
We just let loose and had fun,with no expectations.
She knew everything was clean.
At that time there were parts ofme that wanted to like, finger
her at a time.
There were parts that wanted togo farther at a time when she
(37:53):
was holding me back.
But the cheat code that iscuckolding allows you to bask in
that denial for a minute.
It allows you to and this issomething I wish all guys in all
relationships would takeadvantage of Like when she
doesn't want you, like you don'thave to do every single thing
at every time.
You can just enjoy thattantalization.
You can enjoy that distance whenmagnets, when they're getting
(38:14):
close to touch together, likethat little buzz that you feel.
That's something that you canbask in.
You don't have to use that as anegative.
So it just made it hotter everytime that we did that.
So then, when she finally tookmy cock out of the denim dungeon
, that was hot and the fact thatshe was calling it a cop and
she knows what that means to me.
As she's telling me she wantsmore, she's like no, I know this
is your biggest.
I know you feel the mostmasculine.
(38:35):
I know that this is the mostthat you can give me.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I still want a bigger black and the way you described
when the vibe changed when theblack guys came in.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Damn yeah, it was.
Uh, it definitely, yeah, itdefinitely.
I like I, I have no idea whatthe plan was, but like.
And then all their girls werejust like, watching them.
It was like I want to know thestory of how that happened,
because it looks so organizedand it was just like what is
going on oh my god, that's likeokay, that's Splash Mocha, where
(39:09):
you have, like you know, 500black men.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
all of a sudden, you know and you're like, holy fuck,
you guys need to go to SplashMocha.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, I definitely want to.
We've talked about it a littlebit too, so we'll see if we can
organize it.
It was funny too, becausebefore that now listen,
everybody can do everything incake, everybody can have fun.
But there was a funny momentwhere, like in the middle of
everything, like where we're onlike one of our breaks because
it was kind of like wavy thewhole night where we were like
up, like on highs and reallyhorny and stuff, and then other
(39:41):
times we were kind of down andjust like talking and giggling
and then we'd go up and downagain.
So there were a couple of timeslike we did like talk with her
friends really quick, or herfriend that was there.
And there was one time that shewas like well, we had to move
because there was a littleperson over there and I was like
, oh, okay, and like I looked atI saw this guy that was like
kind of short and I'm like helooks, he looks fine, he's like
maybe like five, two, it's notthat big of a deal, um, but uh,
(40:04):
uh, like there weren't likesuper, super tracking people
there first, but then it was.
It was funny because then I sawwhat she meant.
There was a, there was anactual.
He came off the bed and, um, hewas very, he was very short,
but he was like the most jackedperson I've ever seen.
But he was like like underperformance, like just the
expectation there got me.
Um, but yeah, there was a lotof different people there.
(40:25):
But then, like when all theseblack guys looking like tall,
like dark hands of black guys,it was just like, oh okay, shit,
okay, shit just got real.
Um, and that's like why, when,when she like looked at me, like
we, we didn't even say anythingin the moment, she was just
giving me looks and she was justlike, is this okay?
And I was just like, yeah andum, and I would look at him and
I was just like, yeah, like wedon't know his name, we don't
(40:45):
know.
Like, all I know, all I know isthat he put on the comm.
That was the only thing that Imade sure.
And, like I said, when he undidthat button, I just heard that
snap and then it fling open theelastic on it.
I was just like, oh, like he's.
I was just in that pussy.
I felt how much more room therewas for more cock in that pussy
and he's about to fill it upwith his big black cock.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Oh, so are you guys planning your next Swingers Club
night out, or what?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yes, and we actually we were looking at the events on
it and we saw that we had justmissed the Hot Wives night.
We're like, no, we could havegone there a couple weeks ago,
like I definitely would have wonmy cage, that one.
So, yeah, we're looking forwardto the next one.
I think the next one is like anall white and then like wet
t-shirt contest thing, so wemight go to that.
But we want to go hard in thenext team and obviously, with
(41:34):
you know, a lot of stuff goingon, we can't just go every
single weekend.
That'd be nice, but insteadwe'll have to plan it around a
little bit for when we can go.
But, yes, we are.
We are diligently planning thenext one.
Basically, we're letting theladies plan and, uh, me and, you
know, her friend's boyfriendare just gonna tag along for the
fun time.
Um, and the only rule that likewe had going in was that nobody
(41:56):
like in our party would hook upbecause they're just too close
to friends.
Um, yeah, and I also, yeah, Ijust felt like that would be.
That's one one of the rulesthat we have, like no family or,
uh, like close friends orco-workers, something where the
dynamic could get weird about it.
I'm not that we couldn't becomeclose friends with people that
we hook up with, but you knowwhat I mean.
The difference there, somethingthat you don't have in that
sexual avenue of your life.
You don't want to insert thatthere, which works out too.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, that's totally understandable and I think
that's a good general boundaryfor couples to have, at least to
start out with.
I think that's a good idea.
Yeah, okay, yeah, least tostart out with.
I think that's a good idea,yeah um, okay, yeah, I fucking
thoroughly enjoyed this storyand I knew you would.
My favorite parts about thisstory?
Definitely the part where theblack guys come in.
(42:43):
The vibe shifts like hell.
Yes but, I also really love thatpart where you guys were both
explaining to each other aboutwhat you were looking at and how
much of a turn on that was.
I think there's so muchemphasis put on the watching the
chick get fucked by another guyin cuckolding that I think it's
(43:03):
that part so fucking overratedand I would love to draw more
attention to these littlemoments where you're just having
this kind of psychological,mental striptease together,
which is sounds like what youguys are doing in that moment
where you're talking about whatyou're seeing and it's like so
hot and such a turn on for eachother, so I would love to share.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
That was like seeing it from her eyes yeah, like
seeing it from her eyes what shefound sexy, what she was
talking about, like, oh, thenepotism there over.
I just see her breast startingto pop out and I can see just
the edge of her nip and I waslike, oh my like all these
details.
It was, yeah, it was.
It was so, it was so hot andand also my like, as you said,
that too, I think that myfavorite part of it was when
(43:48):
she's just stroking me.
When I'm in the denim dungeon,she, she, was rubbing on the
outside of my pants and I'mtelling her that this is your
cock.
You can have any cock in herethat you want.
I was like, but this is theonly one that's really yours.
And I was like, and I can'thave any other pussy, there's no
other pussy for me Like otherthan you.
I like like I'm completelypussy free and you have you own
this cock.
I was like and you can haveanybody in here and like that.
(44:09):
Just, she told me after that itmade her feel like a queen.
She's like I just felt sopowerful in that moment that,
like I could have anybody andyou still were going to not just
be with me but love me more,like the more that I take, like
that, that I can get this and Ican also have more of it that
abundance mindset Like she shedidn't say it in those words,
but that's exactly what she wasand that like was a lot for me.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, she was the queen of Egypt that night.
She absolutely was.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
So you put her on the throne.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I was a Julius Caesar .
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yep, yep, you did it.
Oh, I did, I did Well.
I have absolutely loved thisstory, Johnny.
I'm so happy that you could becoming back on the show and
sharing this experience.
I'm sure that everybodylistening is going to love this
story as well, so thank you somuch for that.
Where can people go to learnmore about you or your blog?
(44:57):
All that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, my blog is on my Twitter, confidentcuff.
It's confidentcuffwordpresscom.
You can find me there.
You can also find me arguingabout some stupid political
people.
Um, uh, having fun with that.
Um, going after trolls thatdon't really know what they're
talking about with cuckoldingdynamics.
Um, and having fun.
Because one thing I do justwant to say before I go here is
(45:20):
that you know some people willhear this and be like well, you
had sex with her, so it's not atrue cuck, and they missed the
whole point of what a lovingcuck couple relationship is Like
.
First, it's a relationship andyou can have those vanilla times
, you can have those fun timeswhere you're just having normal
sex.
It doesn't always have to beyour crazy fantasy and I think
that a lot of men especially butso much emphasis on finding
(45:43):
this fantasy instead of justconnecting with the person that
you're with and trying to letthem feel comfortable.
Because when they're comfortable, especially if you're in
coupling, if you, if you reallyget off on the compersion not
that you just want to have yourown porn star to do what you
want as if you're a director,but no, if you really love that
compersion and you love seeingher get off and you love her
being satisfied and you want tomake that happen, even if it's
something beyond your ownphysical body, then just let her
(46:15):
know that you're into it, andif you guys are intimate enough
together, then it's going tonaturally happen.
Um, so yeah, just like focusingon that relationship side of it
, because even if, even if allwe did was she did just stroke
me, uh, and the club and wedidn't even do anything else, or
if we just went out dancingwith our friends, that would
have been enough, just becausewe were together with each other
.
And I think that if that isn'thappening first, then you have
(46:35):
to reevaluate the relationship.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Oh, I agree A hundred percent and I think there's a
major misunderstanding, I guess,or that idea that people have
around cucks and that cucksdon't have sex with their
partner.
I'm like I don't know wherethis is perpetuated, because
there are some couples whoengage in total sexual denial,
(46:58):
like that.
It doesn't mean that their sexlife isn't completely full it
really is but they may havecomplete sexual denial, but
those are couples that have beentogether forever and this is
something they slowly evolvedinto.
This is not something that theywere just, you know, met on
Tinder and they were like hey,so I want this, okay, oh, okay,
(47:20):
sure, I'll do that for you.
And then they, you know, havethis relationship.
It just doesn't work like that.
So I and the that, from what myexperience over the year, the
vast majority of cuckoldingcouples actually have very
robust sex life together, pivsex life together.
So I feel like that cuckoldingpart just adds this different
(47:40):
aspect to it, another layer, andit just accentuates this
amazing sex life that theyalready have.
That's the norm, that's thecommon, common thing.
So I get it.
With like porn, mainstream porn, scripts and stuff like that,
the sexual denial part is reallyamped up because that's a hot
fantasy.
I totally get it, but let's,let's base ourselves in the
(48:02):
reality of a actual, real lovingrelationship and understand
that.
You know that's just a, that'sa playtime thing for most people
, for sure, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
We'll have to do another episode talking about
the pussy free thing too.
But there's a lot to unpackwith some of that and you know,
some of it's hot, some of it'sweird and we'll have to talk
about that one another time.
That's a whole, nother episode.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I know?
Have you done a blog post onthat?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I should ask you actually, Um, I don't think I
have done one on that actually,Um, because it's yeah, it's it's
not something that I've engagedwith so much, and it was hot
when we were in the club and and, uh, and we were talking about
that, when I said to her, I'mlike I'm pussy for you, except
for you, Like she, she thoughtthat was so hot and everything
and that that was a cool way tointeract with it, where I still
get to have her and we have ourrelationship and then I'm denied
(48:51):
to everybody else.
So that way you get to playwith those denial emotions
without actually completelygiving up the PIV sex there.
And even though she wanted morethe whole time, she did end up
orgasming on my cock as we weredoing it, because orgasms happen
in the brain, not in the body.
So you've got to make surethat's done first.
So, yeah, that was yeah forsure.
(49:12):
I should write one on that.
That's actually a good idea.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yes, let me take it.
Yes, there you go, all right.
Well, we've run out of time forthe show today.
Thank you so much for joiningme, and I know I'll have you
back at some point soon, sothank you.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
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Bye.
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And there was like some bbcporn on the tv and I'm like okay
, this is cool or whatever.
Um, and like a few guys like Isaw got turned down.
But this one guy was likelooking at my girl's ass and I
told my girl about it and she'slike, yeah, she's like does he
look good?
I was like you tell me.
So she looks back at him and Iwas like are you okay with that?
So she looks back at him and Iwas like are you okay with that?
So she like turns around andlike shakes her ass at him and
(00:47):
he comes over and he startsgrinding on her and then he
takes off like the onesiebuttons and I just like hear the
clip up and like see the cause.
It was like elastic, just likesee it, like fly out like from
her ass.
And just I was.
I was like in heaven rightthere.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
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Welcome to the show everyone.
I'm your host, venus.
Thanks so much for joining me.
And today on the show I haveconfident cuck returning and he
is going to be talking about howhim and his girlfriend went to
a swinger's sex club and,although they are a couple who
enjoy cuckolding activities intheir sex life, they were able
(01:54):
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thrilling and fun.
So you're going to love thisstory.
You're going to learn a lotabout how, as a cuckolding
couple, you can still have lotsof fun in a swinger's sex club
and, oh my god, some of myfavorite parts in this.
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It's so good.
Anyway, it's such a great story.
(02:16):
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(02:38):
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Like this in.
That was in the summer, at theend of July.
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You probably heard us talkabout it on the podcast.
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(03:01):
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It's Joy Mode Joining me on theshow.
I have a recurring guest,johnny also goes by the name
Confident Cuck and he has anamazing blog.
He's been on the show severaltimes, as well as a guest on
Pillow Talk too.
(06:40):
I always love our conversations, so welcome back to the show,
johnny.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Thanks for having me, Venus.
I appreciate being here.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So today we're going to have a fun little
conversation about this recentexperience that you had.
You and your partner went to aswingers club and I'm dying to
know how that was like, becausethat's something I've actually
never talked about on the showbefore about couples who are
interested in cuckolding or arein a cuckolding relationship or
(07:09):
just have like spicy littlecuckolding moments in their sex
life.
If they go to a sex club,what's it going to be actually
like for them?
So I'm really excited for youto share this story, but before
we get into it, do you want tojust have like a quick little
blurb for the people who don'tknow who you are?
Just a quick little blurb aboutwho you are and about your
(07:30):
relationship dynamic.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, so I am Confident Cook.
As Veena said, I have a blogwhere I talk about the positive
benefits of cookholding as wellas the masculinity that I feel
with it.
And, as a disclaimer too, I wasgoing to say that normally I
don't go into too much detail onwhat's going on in my personal
relationship at the moment, justbecause I feel like that's
(07:56):
giving a lot of details of theother person's story too.
But I have talked with mypartner and she's okay with me
sharing what we had here,because it was such a positive
experience as well.
So, yeah, so currently, mycurrent partner is pretty new in
a cuckolding.
I've had a few cuckoldingrelationships in the past.
This is definitely her firstone, much more traditional, but
(08:18):
she's been open-minded.
Like you said, we've had somespicy moments and sprinkled it
in.
I haven't done some of thecrazier things that I might have
talked about in previous times,so we went to a swingers club
recently, and that's what we'rehere to talk about.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Okay.
So how did this all happen?
Like, how did you guys decideyou're going to go to a swingers
club together?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, and you know we have an everyday life like
everybody else.
You know we have the bills topay, we got to go to work, we
got to, you know, take care ofeverything in the household, so
we don't always get the mosttime to go out and do crazy
things.
But my partner, she actuallyhas a really good friend.
They've been friends since theywere very young and she said I
(09:11):
have to tell you something.
She's recently divorced.
Her current boyfriend is alsorecently divorced and they went
to the swingers club and theyhad a great time there.
And she was nervous abouttelling my girlfriend and she
ended up just laughing about itand being like oh, you have no
idea, johnny's a cuck.
And she's like well, what's acuck?
So they got to talking about itand she was like okay, you guys
have to come to the next one.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, wait a second.
So she's been friends with thisgirl for a really long time and
obviously like they'd never hadlike the real kinky
conversations before.
But your girlfriend was liketotally okay with just dropping
that to her Like oh yeah,johnny's a cuck, and did she ask
you about this beforehand?
(09:49):
Is it okay if I tell my friend?
Or she just was like nah, youwon't care, or how did that even
happen?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
She knew I wouldn't care.
Yeah, I mean, my family knows,like literally my mom and like
everybody in my family knowsit's not something.
I'm shut up.
It's like I tell everyone atthanksgiving different.
Then they're like, hey, youguys are gonna have the
marshmallow, I'm gonna have thecream pie.
Like no, we don't, um, but they, you know, know about it, we've
talked about it before, um, andjust like, talking about you
(10:18):
know how you talk about likeintimacy, like with you know,
your family, and so sometimes itcomes up and oh hey, this works
for us, you know, yada, yada,yada.
So, yeah, everyone in my familyalready.
And so sometimes it comes upand oh hey, this works for us,
you know, yada, yada, yada.
So, yeah, everyone in my familyalready knows.
So she definitely had no ideaor no problem telling her friend
about it.
So, and when she told me, I waslike oh yeah, that's great,
let's go, I'm down.
She's like I figured you wouldbe.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So you had never been to it like a sex club before
you said you've been to likehouse parties that were like
that, but not an actual club,right?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Correct.
Yeah, I had been to houseparties in the past that you
know there was like a, basicallyan orgy room and then other
bedrooms that were locked offfor certain people and you know
drinking like in the kitchen andstuff like that, but I had
never been to an actual club orprofessional one like that.
So it was definitely a newexperience for um, for me and my
(11:05):
partner and then, um, herfriend had just been there the
one time with with her nowboyfriend that that are together
with them.
So it was a theme night.
It was a G?
Uh Egyptian theme.
We didn't go super into thethemes but I kind of wish we we
did more Um, but uh, but yeah itwas.
It was great.
There were people wearingeverything from pull out pharaoh
costumes and Nefertiti to, youknow, just wearing a polo and
(11:28):
some slack.
So it was a good time.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I've been to sex clubs before and I I think
in the beginning I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to
totally get into like the themeand stuff like that.
But then I realized, man, it'sa lot of work every time to have
to do that.
So I was like, ah, fuck it,whatever, but it is fun to get
(11:51):
dressed up and it is fun to likejust, it's a, it's a great way
to feel like you're doingsomething really out of the
ordinary, kind of fun, kind oflike Halloween, but like
throughout the year dressing up.
But exactly, yeah, that's funthat you guys got to do this
together as a first, because yousaid like you're way more, you
know, experienced with kinkyshit than your girlfriend and
(12:11):
yeah, right, yeah that's nicethat you, you, you guys both got
to do that as like a first.
So, um, so you guys, you saidyou sort of got like dressed up
so you went, went all togetherlike there was you, you as a
couple and then her friend as acouple as well, right, yeah, so
the way that this place workedis, on one side of it was the
(12:34):
actual bar where there's dancing.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You know, there's a place to sit down, there's a
place to go out and and smoke orvape.
I was a designated driver I'mnot really a big drinker anyway
and I was like I'm gonna lovethis no matter what.
I don't, I don't need my mood,but I want to be tuned in to all
this, so, um, so I wasn'tdrinking, but they were all
drinking, having fun, um, havinga good time.
So first we're out there, uh,dancing and having a good time
(12:58):
there, and then the other sideof it, um, that's the actual
like sex part of it, and to getin there it's because it's the
swingers only you have to be incouples, so you can't go in as
um a single person.
I'm sure they probably wouldhave let single women in there,
because you know that's the waythat works, but, um, but yeah,
there were no, uh, single guys.
Well, I really didn't see anysingle people.
It was all um couples on theother side of it.
(13:20):
But we just started the nightjust dancing and having a good
time with, you know, peoplewearing very revealing clothing.
My partner really likes todance, so we were getting really
raunchy on the dance floor butalso kind of giggling that we're
in our older ages now and ourknees aren't as good as some of
the other, some of the otheryounger 20 somethings that were
breaking it down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now, did you guys get it like a tour of the club?
Because I've only been to thesex club here locally and it's
run by this woman and she'sincredible and she, the way she
has it set up, is that when yougo in as a first time couple,
that you have to.
Well, she had you watch a videoand then you had to get shown
(14:02):
around the club and theyexplained all the rules to you
and everything like that, and itwas like there was a lot of
emphasis on consent andetiquette.
So was it like that there?
I'm just curious to know if itwas the same.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So there wasn't really there.
Normally is they take you on awhole tour for it, but this
night was a sold out night andwe just got in because her
friend actually signed up forthe membership and then they had
a plus one to bring it in, soit was all regulars that were
there.
I don't know if they do anyvideo or anything outside of it,
but they um instead, let the um, let the people that we were
(14:38):
with give us a tour.
So, basically, they led thetour, and then, when we went
into um, like in the club sideof it, it's just a club anyway,
so there wasn't anything goingon there.
But you do, like sign a consentthing and they talk about that
and they ask you a few questionslike are you okay?
You know that you make thenudity and all this kind of
stuff.
Um, you know, if you, you know,feel bad, do this, uh, they
also have the wristbands.
Uh, like let's say what you'reokay with.
Nobody wore them, though, but um, but uh, and the other side of
(15:04):
it was really just a bar, the um, the sex side of it.
That's where it was um a lotmore.
You know, there was, there wasstaff all around, there were a
few, uh, security guards hereand there.
Um, there was really nice staff.
There was a, uh, a vendingmachine yep, it was like a fancy
vending machine, um, and Inoticed that they sell tums
there, which sometimes I getindigestion, so I appreciated
(15:26):
that.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
My partner saw that she's like, oh they have tums, I
want to ask you this otherquestion, because in the sex
club that I've been to allthroughout the club, the play
areas of the club there'sbaskets of condoms, lube, wipes,
like I mean, dental dams, likefucking everything just sitting
(15:50):
there for you to take and use.
Was it like that there too?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, there's.
So basically, when we walked in, we went through the tour.
There's the individual roomsand they all have a theme and if
you want the room, you just askfor them.
You get it for an hour at atime and you can open or close
the blinds in there and thenthere at the back of that
there's like a shower area andthen there is a watching room
where it has the glass open tothe big couples area that I'll
talk about in a second and thathas a little area where you can
(16:19):
hook up, but it's mainly forpeople like to watch and look
out, because the mirror is, orit's a, it's a uh, whatever,
whatever.
Where you, it's a mirror on oneside and a window on the other.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
A one way mirror.
A one way mirror right.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, so, uh.
So then we went through thatand then there's like a little
store area I was talking about,where they have the different
things there.
I'm not really a store, butjust like a little booth in the
middle of it, um, and then onthe other side of that you have
to be, uh, oh, wait.
First there was a dungeon, um,which we walked into, uh, the
dungeon, and we saw themflogging and everything, yeah,
and during this whole time mypartner had already been, uh,
(16:53):
dancing and grinding on me, sowe were like really turned on on
the dance floor and everything.
And we came in there and I wasstill like grinding on her and
feeling her.
And then her friend looks at herand she goes are you okay with
this?
Is everything okay?
And for a second my heartskipped a beat.
I was like wait a minute, isshe seeing something I'm not
seeing?
Is she not okay with this?
Is this too much for her?
Um, but she's like no, she's,but she's like no, no, this is,
she's like I'm very interestedin this.
(17:15):
Uh, so, uh, she was asking, likewhat the rules were for
flogging, like if you can go upand look, and she just straight
free, walked up and just juststarted inspecting it for five
minutes and it's not really herkink, she was just interested in
it and everything.
And then the dungeon mastergave us some more rules on what
to do in there and the cleaningmeasures, the safe words that
(17:36):
they have.
And then we saw the big openroom where couples were, and
this just had beds with thewaterproof sheets, and then you
had stations there that hadsheets, the waterproof sheets,
and then you had like stationsthere that had sheets, they had
towels, they had lube, they hadcondoms, they had sprays and all
that kind of stuff.
There's like three or four ofthose, like throughout the,
throughout the whole area.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, okay, so okay, when you guys went from like you
, you started in like thedancing area and then you went
over into, like the play areaswhat was your girlfriend, just
like I know you said she waslike all curious and stuff like
that.
But what did you guys have to belike, okay, are you ready for
(18:15):
this?
Like?
Are you like?
Because I felt like that waslike a big thing for me.
When I first went to the club Iwas just like you know, in my
mind imagining, okay, there'sgonna be all these people like
having sex everywhere.
But then I was like it can't,it can't possibly actually be
like that.
Right, I kept thinking it can't, it's not, it's not gonna be
(18:35):
like what I'm imagining.
Oh, it was, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And I was just like wow.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And I was just like, wow, so yeah, when we were on
the dancing side, we had startedto talk about the revealing
clothes people were wearing and,oh, maybe we should have gone a
little bit more intense on thecostumes.
I was like I told you guys,because I was looking on Amazon
for stuff, she's like you're notgoing to wear animal print
stuff.
I was like it's Egypt, I can belike a cheetah, it's great.
(19:05):
I was like it's Egypt, I can belike a cheetah, it's great.
I was having fun with it.
Um, so, when we were dancingand grinded, they were all, they
were all drinking and, like Isaid, my partner really likes to
dance.
There was like nineties, twothousands like rap and R and B,
which is her jam, I mean, to thewindow, to the wall, like we
were, we were having fun with it.
Um, and we were grinding a lotand and she was feeling, you
(19:26):
know, really aroused by it aswell.
Um, she did wear something thatwas like very like bejeweled
and like bedazzled, so it kindof looked like it was, um, one
of like those really like thicknecklaces, but it was like on
her shirt, um, and the shirt waslike a onesie thing too.
So, and like the sexy leatherdress, it was great.
And she's very um, she, uh, herass is definitely her, her most
prominent feature, um, it's,it's a really nice ass.
(19:48):
It's big.
I like big ass.
Um, and she also the way herbody proportions, everything.
Her upper body is much smallerthan her lower body, so it like
accentuates it even more.
Um, so we were like kind ofplaying, like you know, showing
that office, and like she wasgrinding on me and talking you
know people watching a littlebit, who I see this over here,
um, and then once they're alllike loose and ready, uh, we see
(20:11):
some people like starting inthe head out, and then we're
like all right, do we like wantto do it?
And we're like, yeah, I waslike is everybody comfortable?
And I'm from New York, so I'mlike I got no problem with a
metal detector in a club, likeyep, that'll be safe, that's
fine with me.
Um, I was happy.
I didn't wear my cage though,because she didn't want.
(20:31):
She didn't like want to exposethem that much.
So the couple things, um, she'slike, but we go through, they
give us that little tour andthen when we get to that last
area I told you, the couplesarea.
That's where, like you said,people are just having sex.
There's one area with, like,the lights on, but then there's
(20:53):
a room in the back and this iswhere that one-way mirror is and
it's just got a red light inthere.
There's porn on the big TVthere and when we walked back
there, we started just likekissing and her friends started
like to go off to one area.
Um, because they're the clubreally felt more like an
exhibition and voyeurism ratherthan trying to hook up with
(21:15):
other people.
Pretty much everybody stayed ontheir island, um, but when we
first walked in there, um, herfriend, before she went off with
, uh, her boyfriend, she pointedout this one guy in there who
had like a 10 inch big blackcock, super thick, super dark,
and this super pale, very skinny, uh, uh like tall, slender,
white girl there and just shewas just like stroking it and
(21:37):
like everybody could see it, andthis was still like at the
beginning of the night.
So there were only like maybeeight, ten couples like in this
whole big area and we were justlike starting to watch that as
she went out and as her friendwent out.
And I asked my partner becausewe said on the beginning of the
night we were like, okay, we'regoing to do hot, cold, warm and
(21:57):
cool, just for you know, how areyou feeling about it?
And I was like how are youfeeling?
I was like hot or cold, andshe's like let's go get a room.
She's like let's go get a room.
So it only took her about likefive, ten minutes like of like
grinding on me like you know,watching uh that, and she was
like looking right at him andstuff too.
(22:18):
And the reason she was doingthat too is before before her
friend went away.
She's like most of the peoplein here they like if you watch
them when you do that, so uh, soyeah, she's like looking at it
and just like really turned onby it.
Um, so we go get our own room.
Um, and it wasn't too eventfulin the room.
It was just, you know, uh,normal, normal sex going on, but
we forgot to get a sheet, so wejust have the towels and, um,
(22:39):
cleanliness is a big thing formy partner, so we had the.
She didn't want to be on the,you know, on the bare stuff
herself, so we're like trying tonavigate that.
Um, and my hands were on things, so she didn't really want me
like to finger her too much, soI was just eating her out with
like no hands at all.
Um, and yeah, and just like theway everything worked, I wasn't
like able to like come in themoment.
I was kind of likeoverstimulated, so I was just.
(23:02):
I was like I'm not going to besome good sex in there, some
raunchy sex, uh, and that waslike fantastic.
Everything was good, um, andthen we get out of there and as
we get out of there, I I want,like other people like to see
what we're doing, like I, youknow it's starting to be on the
thought of everybody in there.
So we go back to the area andthen we start to to people watch
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more and as we're, as we'redoing, the people watching she's
like looking one way and I'mlooking another, and as we hear
the moans from different people,we're describing what we're
seeing on either side and thatwas like it was just like such a
little thing, but it was suchlike a sexy turn on Cause, like
we couldn't see what each otherwas looking at and oh, and
unfortunately, the cause we weretalking about like trying to
find that that guy before,because she really likes 10 inch
(23:47):
BBC yeah.
Yeah, but he was, he was gonealready.
He was gone.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
We came out and we were like he was suffocating
under a pile of women somewhere.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.
We looked for him but yeah, hewas already gone by the time
that we got there, unfortunatelydone with everything that we
did.
So we're just like grindinglike that and having that talk
right there was really good.
And then I started telling herbecause I knew that, like she
was like she didn't want tostart getting busy on anything
right away, like she wanted tomake sure we got a sheet.
This time we got everything,especially because we were out,
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like where other people were.
And so I started telling herabout how, when we get back to
the hotel, I'm going to get allclean for her and then I'm going
to fuck her in the hotel andI'm going to.
And she was loving that.
I was like, yep, I was likewe'll just get all dirty here
and have this, have this, youknow, nice watching time here.
I was like, and don't worry,I'll just use my mouth here, but
(24:44):
then I'll go like to sober up abit, as it's, you know, getting
later on the night.
So her friend is still there,like going to town, going crazy
over there, and I'm worried thatbecause she's sobering up and
like we're kind of not stuckthere.
But you know what I mean.
We're with other people that,um, that it might, you know, uh,
they kind of go away that themood might shift.
But as we're doing that, westart just like kind of, uh, we
(25:06):
get a sheet and we just lay onthis one big circle bed and it
was kind of weird putting it onbecause it was like a triangle
that we had to put a squaresheet on.
But I made it work and Isprayed it all down nice before,
and she's like thank you forcleaning up for me.
And I was like, of course, mydear, and just like those like
little chore each other anddoing stuff, and and I start
(25:27):
telling her how she can have anycock in here that she wants,
but, um, but my cock is the onlyone that's hers and that, um,
and that I'm not going to haveany pussy, that's the only pussy
that I can have is hers.
She can have any cock, but Ican only have her pussy.
And like that dichotomy waslike turning us on so much, so
like it started hitting us likea wave and we started to get
into it again and she was likekind of nervous about like
(25:49):
having sex in front of people,so I didn't know how far she
wanted to go with it.
So I'm like slowly undoing mypants and pulling out my cock
and we started doing it and shehas a onesie on and I just start
pressing against like that, youknow, like fabric in the middle
without like taking it off andwe like start to see like a few
eyes on us or anything.
So I'm just doing that andgrinding in on it and because of
(26:10):
like the angle that we're at,like I said, she has a big ass
kind of hard for me to get likethat deep in there.
So that kind of like denialpenetration sex was actually
like really really hot Cause youknow, it looks like we're
having sex Everybody's seeing usdo that, but I'm not
penetrating her and that waslike a really really sexy denial
thing.
Um, and then this is it's got tobe like almost 1 am at this
(26:31):
time.
Um, I like look up and thewhole night it was a very
diverse crowd.
There was um people of every,every creed, every color, um 20s
, 30s, 40s, 50s, like 50s, likea lot of different people tall,
penny people, skinny people, youknow, um short people, fat
people, every every day you canimagine.
So it was definitely like avery diverse crowd just in
(26:52):
general.
And then towards the end of thenight I'm like looking up as
we're in the middle of this andthere's like five to seven
couples that come in and it'sall black guys with all black
girls and a few of the blackguys just come in and like
starting to like flirt withdifferent couples and it was
like it was funny.
(27:12):
I told my partner after I waslike it was like they're running
out of the bowl.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Funny how that happens.
Huh, they just come in and theystart flirting.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's funny how that happens so, yeah, and like the
mood like definitely shifted andI looked like off at the porn
like on the tv and there waslike some bbc porn on the TV and
there was like some BBC porn onthe TV and I'm like, okay, this
is cool or whatever, um, andlike a few guys like I saw got
turned down.
But this one guy was likelooking at my girl's ass and I
told my girl about it and she'slike, yeah, she's like does he
(27:39):
look good?
I just like hear the clip upand like see the cause.
It was like elastic, just likesee it like fly out like from
her ass.
And just I was, I was like inheaven, right there, and and and
(28:04):
like he like puts on his condomand he's like slow, and she's
like looking at me and I'm justlike looking at her and then
like she starts like to stroke,like me right there, um, but
like she's focused on him, soshe's not really like stroking
me.
She just like ends up justgrabbing my balls and just like
squeezing my balls as we'rethere and she starts like just
fucking him and they just likego to town, yeah, and just like
(28:25):
she, just they just startfucking.
It's, it's amazing.
You know, I'm like watching itand um, and he goes until um, he
comes, and it was probably like15, 20 minutes.
Um, he didn't really like uh,wait for her to come.
She told me after that she didlike she goes, eat my pussy
(28:45):
right now, eat my pussy afteryou get it done.
And I'm we are right in frontof the like the mirror, like
everybody can see right where weare there, and when she lays
down there, I just put my facein and start like eating her out
and she ends up coming and likesquirting and like it hits the
mirror and I couldn't breathefor a little bit Cause she's
(29:11):
like holding my head in and I'mlike and like it's all wet and
crazy and just it's like we likeheard something like on the
other side of the mirror.
Turns out that there was likefive or six people watching um,
so uh, so yeah, that happened,uh and uh.
And then we like get our stufftogether and then we find out
that our, our friend, was overthere.
Actually, uh, they weren't likewatching us because there was
other people to watch too, butthey told us when they were in
the watch side, because they hadalready finished, that they
weren't doing that too.
(29:33):
So then they ended up like,seeing that you guys got really
intense.
They're like, yeah, you know,we're kind of into that.
And then we ended up likeleaving.
I drove everybody back.
We went to the hotel where wedid end up having that clean sex
.
I got in the shower.
Well, first she got in theshower and she's like let me
just have a minute to put myselfin the shower.
And I'm like, all right, and alittle bit of me is worried that
(29:54):
, damn, maybe they're not goingto hang out Because I haven't
came.
This whole time I am on edgeand I'm sober, I'm just ugh.
So I'm like, okay, hopefullythis happens.
So she gets out of the showerand then she comes to me and she
gives me the coffee and she wascleaning this off too.
She goes and I want you to comeout hard with that on.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
So I'm like okay.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So I get all clean, I take a nice steamy shower, I
come out and she just gets ontop of me and starts riding me.
And we have this thing where,like if I'm, if I'm feeling like
more in a submissive mood, I'llsay like my penis and I'm
feeling more like masculine.
I'll say like ah, and that'sjust, you know, like a like good
indicator between us, like whatmood we're feeling for
everything.
(30:37):
And it's also like if I'm, ifI'm like more like on the limp
side, cause sometimes you isn'talways like crazy wet and
everything.
You know what I mean.
There's different, there'sdifferent moods for that.
So it's like fun to have thatplay like with a penis and then
like, have this hard cock.
So she starts fucking me andI'm like, damn, like my cock
feels so good inside of you.
She's like that cock.
She's like that cock is so hard.
She gets harder than I felt,she gets bigger than I felt, um,
(30:59):
I've ever felt and I'm doingthat.
And as she does that more, um,she starts going.
She starts going, but it's notas big as him.
She goes.
I want more, I want more cock,I want bigger cock and I am.
I am like off my mind and asshe keeps going like that, I was
like what do you want?
I was like, tell me what youwant.
I want big black cock, I wantbig black cock.
And she ends up coming and Icome, and it was probably only
like 45 seconds but it was likethe most intent, like completely
(31:23):
unloaded, um yeah.
And then she made me go down toher one more time and like
eating out the cream pie, um uh.
And then like I fingered herand stuff too, like to really,
like you know, give her apenetrating one.
But like at that time we werejust our minds, were like so
fuck, we didn't even like sayanything, we're just like uh, uh
, the same thing.
In the morning, like I was likeI woke up and I was like that
(31:46):
was amazing and she like saw Ihad a hard cock and she got
right on top of it and she'slike I was like how does that
feel?
She was like I can barely feela thing.
She goes, she's like I needthat and she goes I need more
cock and just same thing.
And just came to her and shehad never been into the any type
of like race play or anythingbefore.
Not that she's against it, likeshe's has no problem ho up with
black guys, but it's just not.
(32:06):
She doesn't care one way oranother and it's not that big of
a deal to me, like I'm muchmore into like the cuckolding,
you know, side of anyway.
I want her to get off with whoshe's with, so it doesn't really
matter to me who it is.
But there's an extra level of,you know, sex appeal there and
it was kind of funny how, youknow, the mood definitely
shifted a little bit there.
She found one and it was great.
(32:29):
It was a great time.
That was my night.
I had to share it with you,venus, because I knew that you
loved it, especially those timeswhen we were just talking in
there, when we were seeing theother stuff.
That was so hot, just tellingeach other that my cock can't
have any other pussy but she canhave any cock in here that she
wanted, and just like gettingoff on that, like that was.
(32:51):
It was so hot because as a guy,like the default expectation is
kind of like you would get withany pussy you could get.
You know what I mean.
It's like all right if we canget pussy, take it.
So there's almost like adesperation there, like if you
do like go out and just fuckeverybody, whereas the girl's
only more reserved and stuff.
So that way if you are going tohave sex with someone like
you're, you're putting up a highbar like for who you're
actually allowing inside of you.
(33:11):
So like having the guy like dothat, uh, uh, contrary role
there, um, and kind of subvertthat expectation there and be
that in that denial and andholding being in control and
taking what she wants and beingable to have any cock that she
wants, and just it was.
It was so good, even though hewasn't as big as the first guy
(33:31):
that we saw, um, it was still itwas.
So really he was like a good,like eight, eight and a half
inches that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I love how that all played out because, like, I mean
, how many okay was that thefirst time she slept with
another guy since you guys havebeen together?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
no, we have, um, we've had one that we've done
like a full-on couple dayexperience, um, and then we've
had, uh, a few that she's goneout um and hooked up with guys,
either texted me or called melike during that um, and then I
told you some things havehappened in my life that have
made, you know, going out onthat stuff a little bit more fun
.
So we've done a lot of dildoplay, um, and she's gotten very
(34:08):
comfortable with the dildo playas well, because there isn't an
expectation, there's not theinsecurity of another person
there, and with insecurity Imean, you know the fact that
there are safety concerns thatyou have to take into account
when you're bringing somestrange horny guy in.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, that's what you guys experienced at that club
is probably like I don't knowsuch a great way to sort of dip
your toes into it, because, likethere's no, when you go to this
club, there's no expectationthat you're going to do anything
right.
You're going to just playtogether and whatever.
You can just like go and watch.
I mean, there's like noexpectation, no pressure to do
anything, or at least thereshouldn't be any pressure from
your partner to do anything at aplace like that, but for her to
(35:06):
be able to just go and watchand explore and talk and, you
know, get turned on and thenstill not feel like she has to
do anything is a great kind oflike no pressure scenario for
her to feel comfortable toexplore if she wants to.
That's exactly what happened.
(35:26):
I mean and that's that's thegreat part about it because she
was allowed to like, like, bereally turned on, get really
turned on and make thosedecisions in that moment where
she was just like OK, I'mfeeling good, I want to do this,
and look how it turned out.
Like that is hot.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, fuck.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah it was.
And when we had left theprivate room I had said I was
like I'm probably not going tobe able to come.
I was like, just cause, likethere's so much going on and you
know, we like we're not at goodangles and you know all that
kind of stuff Um, I was like mymind's in a thousand places.
I was like, so the only thingthat I would like is if, when
we're out there is if you justlike, stroke me off.
I was like, and you can do that, not even you can keep it in my
(36:10):
pants.
You're going to love, you'regoing to love this.
So, because we don't have thecage, whenever we don't have the
cage and I'm wearing jeans, wecall it the denim dungeon.
So I was like you can even playwith it in the denim dungeon.
So so that that was the onlyexpectation.
(36:31):
I was like that's the.
And she was like, yeah, I'mtotally fine with doing that.
She's like I don't think I'mgoing to want to do anything.
But then it just once it wasthere and once, like you know,
she saw the you're okay withthis, alright, and it was really
.
It was really great and, yeah,just giving her that freedom to
do whatever she wanted.
That also made me feel reallyat peace, that I knew that I
(36:51):
could do.
I could know that could just be.
I could know that, whatever Iwas doing, that she was okay
with it, that we had our safewords, we had, um, I didn't feel
any off vibes the whole time.
Um, and we had talked aboutthat before, like what happens
if we feel this way, whathappens if we feel off?
And I was like you can juststart at any time, there's no
expectation, but you don't haveto hook up with anyone.
Um, and because it was muchmore of like an exhibitionist,
(37:12):
voyeuristic vibe, at least atfirst there and there weren't
that many people intermingling,it was just kind of like okay,
we're all in this sexy moodtogether, everybody's just
having fun and having sex.
Not necessarily that we're likein a ball all having sex
together and like everybody'stouching everybody.
Cause, like I said, thecleanliness is always her
biggest thing, which is why shejust did doggy with him.
(37:32):
She was like I don't even wantto lay down in this thing, I
just want to be up here, andthat's why it was more
satisfying for her when we gotback to our place.
Well, the hotel was just good.
We just let loose and had fun,with no expectations.
She knew everything was clean.
At that time there were parts ofme that wanted to like, finger
her at a time.
There were parts that wanted togo farther at a time when she
(37:53):
was holding me back.
But the cheat code that iscuckolding allows you to bask in
that denial for a minute.
It allows you to and this issomething I wish all guys in all
relationships would takeadvantage of Like when she
doesn't want you, like you don'thave to do every single thing
at every time.
You can just enjoy thattantalization.
You can enjoy that distance whenmagnets, when they're getting
(38:14):
close to touch together, likethat little buzz that you feel.
That's something that you canbask in.
You don't have to use that as anegative.
So it just made it hotter everytime that we did that.
So then, when she finally tookmy cock out of the denim dungeon
, that was hot and the fact thatshe was calling it a cop and
she knows what that means to me.
As she's telling me she wantsmore, she's like no, I know this
is your biggest.
I know you feel the mostmasculine.
(38:35):
I know that this is the mostthat you can give me.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I still want a bigger black and the way you described
when the vibe changed when theblack guys came in.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Damn yeah, it was.
Uh, it definitely, yeah, itdefinitely.
I like I, I have no idea whatthe plan was, but like.
And then all their girls werejust like, watching them.
It was like I want to know thestory of how that happened,
because it looks so organizedand it was just like what is
going on oh my god, that's likeokay, that's Splash Mocha, where
(39:09):
you have, like you know, 500black men.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
all of a sudden, you know and you're like, holy fuck,
you guys need to go to SplashMocha.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, I definitely want to.
We've talked about it a littlebit too, so we'll see if we can
organize it.
It was funny too, becausebefore that now listen,
everybody can do everything incake, everybody can have fun.
But there was a funny momentwhere, like in the middle of
everything, like where we're onlike one of our breaks because
it was kind of like wavy thewhole night where we were like
up, like on highs and reallyhorny and stuff, and then other
(39:41):
times we were kind of down andjust like talking and giggling
and then we'd go up and downagain.
So there were a couple of timeslike we did like talk with her
friends really quick, or herfriend that was there.
And there was one time that shewas like well, we had to move
because there was a littleperson over there and I was like
, oh, okay, and like I looked atI saw this guy that was like
kind of short and I'm like helooks, he looks fine, he's like
maybe like five, two, it's notthat big of a deal, um, but uh,
(40:04):
uh, like there weren't likesuper, super tracking people
there first, but then it was.
It was funny because then I sawwhat she meant.
There was a, there was anactual.
He came off the bed and, um, hewas very, he was very short,
but he was like the most jackedperson I've ever seen.
But he was like like underperformance, like just the
expectation there got me.
Um, but yeah, there was a lotof different people there.
(40:25):
But then, like when all theseblack guys looking like tall,
like dark hands of black guys,it was just like, oh okay, shit,
okay, shit just got real.
Um, and that's like why, when,when she like looked at me, like
we, we didn't even say anythingin the moment, she was just
giving me looks and she was justlike, is this okay?
And I was just like, yeah andum, and I would look at him and
I was just like, yeah, like wedon't know his name, we don't
(40:45):
know.
Like, all I know, all I know isthat he put on the comm.
That was the only thing that Imade sure.
And, like I said, when he undidthat button, I just heard that
snap and then it fling open theelastic on it.
I was just like, oh, like he's.
I was just in that pussy.
I felt how much more room therewas for more cock in that pussy
and he's about to fill it upwith his big black cock.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Oh, so are you guys planning your next Swingers Club
night out, or what?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yes, and we actually we were looking at the events on
it and we saw that we had justmissed the Hot Wives night.
We're like, no, we could havegone there a couple weeks ago,
like I definitely would have wonmy cage, that one.
So, yeah, we're looking forwardto the next one.
I think the next one is like anall white and then like wet
t-shirt contest thing, so wemight go to that.
But we want to go hard in thenext team and obviously, with
(41:34):
you know, a lot of stuff goingon, we can't just go every
single weekend.
That'd be nice, but insteadwe'll have to plan it around a
little bit for when we can go.
But, yes, we are.
We are diligently planning thenext one.
Basically, we're letting theladies plan and, uh, me and, you
know, her friend's boyfriendare just gonna tag along for the
fun time.
Um, and the only rule that likewe had going in was that nobody
(41:56):
like in our party would hook upbecause they're just too close
to friends.
Um, yeah, and I also, yeah, Ijust felt like that would be.
That's one one of the rulesthat we have, like no family or,
uh, like close friends orco-workers, something where the
dynamic could get weird about it.
I'm not that we couldn't becomeclose friends with people that
we hook up with, but you knowwhat I mean.
The difference there, somethingthat you don't have in that
sexual avenue of your life.
You don't want to insert thatthere, which works out too.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, that's totally understandable and I think
that's a good general boundaryfor couples to have, at least to
start out with.
I think that's a good idea.
Yeah, okay, yeah, least tostart out with.
I think that's a good idea,yeah um, okay, yeah, I fucking
thoroughly enjoyed this storyand I knew you would.
My favorite parts about thisstory?
Definitely the part where theblack guys come in.
(42:43):
The vibe shifts like hell.
Yes but, I also really love thatpart where you guys were both
explaining to each other aboutwhat you were looking at and how
much of a turn on that was.
I think there's so muchemphasis put on the watching the
chick get fucked by another guyin cuckolding that I think it's
(43:03):
that part so fucking overratedand I would love to draw more
attention to these littlemoments where you're just having
this kind of psychological,mental striptease together,
which is sounds like what youguys are doing in that moment
where you're talking about whatyou're seeing and it's like so
hot and such a turn on for eachother, so I would love to share.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
That was like seeing it from her eyes yeah, like
seeing it from her eyes what shefound sexy, what she was
talking about, like, oh, thenepotism there over.
I just see her breast startingto pop out and I can see just
the edge of her nip and I waslike, oh my like all these
details.
It was, yeah, it was.
It was so, it was so hot andand also my like, as you said,
that too, I think that myfavorite part of it was when
(43:48):
she's just stroking me.
When I'm in the denim dungeon,she, she, was rubbing on the
outside of my pants and I'mtelling her that this is your
cock.
You can have any cock in herethat you want.
I was like, but this is theonly one that's really yours.
And I was like, and I can'thave any other pussy, there's no
other pussy for me Like otherthan you.
I like like I'm completelypussy free and you have you own
this cock.
I was like and you can haveanybody in here and like that.
(44:09):
Just, she told me after that itmade her feel like a queen.
She's like I just felt sopowerful in that moment that,
like I could have anybody andyou still were going to not just
be with me but love me more,like the more that I take, like
that, that I can get this and Ican also have more of it that
abundance mindset Like she shedidn't say it in those words,
but that's exactly what she wasand that like was a lot for me.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, she was the queen of Egypt that night.
She absolutely was.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
So you put her on the throne.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I was a Julius Caesar .
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yep, yep, you did it.
Oh, I did, I did Well.
I have absolutely loved thisstory, Johnny.
I'm so happy that you could becoming back on the show and
sharing this experience.
I'm sure that everybodylistening is going to love this
story as well, so thank you somuch for that.
Where can people go to learnmore about you or your blog?
(44:57):
All that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, my blog is on my Twitter, confidentcuff.
It's confidentcuffwordpresscom.
You can find me there.
You can also find me arguingabout some stupid political
people.
Um, uh, having fun with that.
Um, going after trolls thatdon't really know what they're
talking about with cuckoldingdynamics.
Um, and having fun.
Because one thing I do justwant to say before I go here is
(45:20):
that you know some people willhear this and be like well, you
had sex with her, so it's not atrue cuck, and they missed the
whole point of what a lovingcuck couple relationship is Like
.
First, it's a relationship andyou can have those vanilla times
, you can have those fun timeswhere you're just having normal
sex.
It doesn't always have to beyour crazy fantasy and I think
that a lot of men especially butso much emphasis on finding
(45:43):
this fantasy instead of justconnecting with the person that
you're with and trying to letthem feel comfortable.
Because when they're comfortable, especially if you're in
coupling, if you, if you reallyget off on the compersion not
that you just want to have yourown porn star to do what you
want as if you're a director,but no, if you really love that
compersion and you love seeingher get off and you love her
being satisfied and you want tomake that happen, even if it's
something beyond your ownphysical body, then just let her
(46:15):
know that you're into it, andif you guys are intimate enough
together, then it's going tonaturally happen.
Um, so yeah, just like focusingon that relationship side of it
, because even if, even if allwe did was she did just stroke
me, uh, and the club and wedidn't even do anything else, or
if we just went out dancingwith our friends, that would
have been enough, just becausewe were together with each other
.
And I think that if that isn'thappening first, then you have
(46:35):
to reevaluate the relationship.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Oh, I agree A hundred percent and I think there's a
major misunderstanding, I guess,or that idea that people have
around cucks and that cucksdon't have sex with their
partner.
I'm like I don't know wherethis is perpetuated, because
there are some couples whoengage in total sexual denial,
(46:58):
like that.
It doesn't mean that their sexlife isn't completely full it
really is but they may havecomplete sexual denial, but
those are couples that have beentogether forever and this is
something they slowly evolvedinto.
This is not something that theywere just, you know, met on
Tinder and they were like hey,so I want this, okay, oh, okay,
(47:20):
sure, I'll do that for you.
And then they, you know, havethis relationship.
It just doesn't work like that.
So I and the that, from what myexperience over the year, the
vast majority of cuckoldingcouples actually have very
robust sex life together, pivsex life together.
So I feel like that cuckoldingpart just adds this different
(47:40):
aspect to it, another layer, andit just accentuates this
amazing sex life that theyalready have.
That's the norm, that's thecommon, common thing.
So I get it.
With like porn, mainstream porn, scripts and stuff like that,
the sexual denial part is reallyamped up because that's a hot
fantasy.
I totally get it, but let's,let's base ourselves in the
(48:02):
reality of a actual, real lovingrelationship and understand
that.
You know that's just a, that'sa playtime thing for most people
, for sure, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
We'll have to do another episode talking about
the pussy free thing too.
But there's a lot to unpackwith some of that and you know,
some of it's hot, some of it'sweird and we'll have to talk
about that one another time.
That's a whole, nother episode.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I know?
Have you done a blog post onthat?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I should ask you actually, Um, I don't think I
have done one on that actually,Um, because it's yeah, it's it's
not something that I've engagedwith so much, and it was hot
when we were in the club and and, uh, and we were talking about
that, when I said to her, I'mlike I'm pussy for you, except
for you, Like she, she thoughtthat was so hot and everything
and that that was a cool way tointeract with it, where I still
get to have her and we have ourrelationship and then I'm denied
(48:51):
to everybody else.
So that way you get to playwith those denial emotions
without actually completelygiving up the PIV sex there.
And even though she wanted morethe whole time, she did end up
orgasming on my cock as we weredoing it, because orgasms happen
in the brain, not in the body.
So you've got to make surethat's done first.
So, yeah, that was yeah forsure.
(49:12):
I should write one on that.
That's actually a good idea.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yes, let me take it.
Yes, there you go, all right.
Well, we've run out of time forthe show today.
Thank you so much for joiningme, and I know I'll have you
back at some point soon, sothank you.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Thanks a lot, Venus thanks for joining me today.
Make sure you go tovenuscuckledresscom.
That's where you can bookaprivate chat with me, you can
check out any cuckolding eventsthat might be happening, and you
can even ask a question for theshow, as well as, of course,
join the queen's quarters fanclub and get all the benefits
(49:46):
for that.
You can also follow me onInstagram, the Venus Kuckledris
podcast.
I haven't been banned there.
Well, I have, but not recently.
You can also follow me onTwitter, or whatever the fuck
you want to call it.
My handle is at Kuckledris V.
That's it for today.
We'll see you next time.
Bye.
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