August 31, 2024 • 78 mins
So many cuckolds dream of having a live-in bull with their wife, but seemingly few ever make it happen. Chas is here to share his story of how his wife decided she wanted a live-in bull and how they all agreed that she would be "black-owned" by him. It's a fascinating conversation about how this dynamic works in real life, the cuckold rules they've established together, and how it all took many years of growing, communicating, and evolving to get where they are now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is what's coming up on the show.
Your wife has been what youcall black-owned right Correct.
And you have a live-in bullCorrect.
And you are, I believe, abisexual cuckold right Correct.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Now my wife and the bull sleep together at night and
I sleep in the next bedroom.
I have to knock and ask forpermission to enter.
That's one of our rules that weestablished.
And they might say you can'tcome in, you just have to stand
there and watch in.
(00:49):
You just have to stand thereand watch.
I am not allowed to touch mywife without permission from the
bull first.
Really, yes, wow.
And to elaborate on that, it'slike we have penetrative sex but
I have to have permission fromher bull.
I'm not allowed to havepenetrative sex with her unless
(01:12):
she's had the bull first and thebull has left a cream pie in
her Sloppy seconds.
And one other thing I can'thave sex with my wife for more
than 10 minutes at a time.
That's because I can't.
When I, when I do have sex withher, the bull has to watch.
(01:32):
I have to be quote what hecalled supervised.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
This is the Venus Cuckoldris podcast a place to
learn all things cuckolding forthe curious, for the passionate
and for the sexually empoweredwoman who wants it all.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Welcome to the show everyone.
I'm your host, venus.
Thanks so much for joining me,and what a show I have, as you
can tell by that trailer thatyou just listened to, it is a
crazy one.
I mean crazy in a really goodway, and I'm so excited to be
able to have Cuckboy Chaz on theshow to talk about this dynamic
that he's in this likethree-way relationship between
(02:44):
his black owned wife and theirbull, who lives with them, is
just, it's truly amazing, likeit's an awesome, awesome story.
So I'm excited for you to beable to listen to this one.
He's definitely living his bestcuck life, that's for sure.
Um, but first, um, oh, Iactually before we get to news
(03:05):
and events.
Okay, so listen up.
We talked about a lot today inthis episode and there was so
much more that we really wantedto get into.
So what we decided was thatwe're going to do a live event
in the Queens Quarters communitywhere Cockboy Chaz and I are
going to talk a little bit moreabout his story and you can join
(03:27):
, and it'll be free to join, andyou can ask questions, and it's
a little bit more interactiveand stuff like that.
So it's going to be a lot offun.
So make sure you join theQueens Quarters community If you
haven't already.
The link is going to be in thedescription notes and then keep
an eye out in there.
I'll post the day and time inthere once we have that.
So okay news.
Let's move on to news.
(03:48):
I do have some news.
So I've had a great summer.
I mean, I started out thesummer I had my surgery.
That went okay, and then I wentto Las Vegas and that was like
so fucking fun.
And then last week I went andgot the oh shot, which many of
you I'm sure have never fuckingheard of, because I didn't hear
(04:09):
about it until I met a woman whotold me about it and she was
like, oh my god, venus, you haveto, you have to get this.
And I was like what she's like?
It changed my fucking life.
So thank you to grunky, one ofmy helpful cucks.
He paid for me to go and getthis done and I swear to god, oh
my god, it is insane.
(04:29):
So the o shot is short for theorgasm shot, and what it is is
it's the actual medicalprocedure.
You go to a doctor's office,they do it.
It's a.
You get injected with plateletrich plasma which they take from
your own blood and they injectit into you.
So for the women that who getthis done, they inject it like
around your clit and like inyour G spot and stuff like that.
(04:51):
And this is like this, oh myGod.
Okay, let me first say it hurtslike a fucking bitch.
You can't be a little pussy ifyou're gonna get this done,
because this is not for thefaint of heart.
It hurts like a bitch, okay,but it lasts a year and I was
kind of skeptical because I waslike I don't know if this is
(05:12):
going to work.
I had it a week ago.
I used my vibrator for thefirst time and I was like oh,
what was that?
I'm fucking serious, by the way.
I like they don't sponsor, Idon't sponsor, they don't
sponsor me.
Whatever, I'm good, I'm good,paid to say any of the shit
(05:33):
about the O shot, okay, and butit is.
I was like what the fuck wasthat mind bending orgasm that I
just had?
Like it was so insane.
I don't even like I and I'mlike mad I didn't get this done
sooner.
I was like holy shit, that wasinsane, it's insane.
(05:55):
So, anyway, it's only been aweek and um, I, this weekend I
am going to go see one of my newbulls, and so I am really,
really looking forward to theresults.
Like, I'm happy as fuck thesedays.
Anyway, it's called the O shot.
(06:18):
So for all of you husbandslistening in, trust me, you're
going to want to look into thisfor your wife, if she's not
already doing it, because, like,oh my god, it is so worth it.
Okay, events there's a couple ofreally good events that are
coming up, so I'm doing aninterracial chat for all of you
(06:41):
in interracial enthusiasts andfor those of you listening to
today's episode.
That's probably what you'reinto.
Um, I'm going to do a live chatin the Queens quarters
community and I do a monthly oneabout interracial.
So the one I'm going to do forSeptember is going to be Friday,
the 13th at 1 PM, and it'sgoing to be all about race play.
(07:04):
So I've invited Pagan from theFour Horsemen, cuck, next Door,
is going to be there, crystalWelch is going to join me as
well as, I'm hoping, a fewothers, and we're going to be
talking about race play, what itis, what it sounds like, what
it looks like and why is thissuch a thing for some people.
(07:25):
So if you want to join that,it's totally free, just go to
the Queens Quarters communityand click on the events tab and
you can RSVP there.
The other event I have coming upin September, which is the fall
, I believe, the following week,it's a pillow talk event and
it's going to be Friday, the20th, at noon.
(07:45):
This is going to be DocChocolate Fun, charlie Blonde on
the Bay and her husband andthey were the group that I went
to Las Vegas with, or I met inLas Vegas, and we went to Blonde
on the Bay's amazing vowcuckold vow renewal ceremony.
So they're going to join melive on Pillow Talk on Crowdcast
(08:08):
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It's free to join live.
If you would like to, youcertainly can.
You can just go and sign up atvenuscukkledresscom.
Just click on the events page.
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Okay, that's it for events.
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(09:58):
It's Joy Mode.
Okay, joining me on the showtoday.
I have a special guest.
Name is cuck boy chas, and Ifirst came across him in the
queen's quarters community.
I'm so excited to have himshare his story with you today,
because I've been waiting solong to be able to have somebody
(10:19):
share their story about havinga live-in bull.
This is a fantasy that I'vecome across very often, with a
lot of cucks who've reallywanted this aspect, but it's
been difficult for me toactually find real-life couples
who are living with their bull.
So, chaz, I'm so excited tohave you on the show today.
(10:39):
Welcome, say hello to everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, thank you very much, and I'm very honored to be
here.
I mean, I couldn't think of anymore wonderful place to be than
right here, right now, with you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So I know that you guys have been together, for you
and your wife have beentogether for, I think, around 25
years, but for the past sevenyears your wife has been what
you call black owned right andyou have a live in bull and you
are, I believe, a bisexualcuckold right Correct, Okay.
(11:17):
And so you serve both your wifeand the bull and or whoever
else you're told to serve, rightCorrect and the bull, or
whoever else you're told toserve, right Correct, Okay.
So this is so fascinating.
Please go into detail aboutwhat this actually looks like on
a real-life basis.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, currently, because we have had a live-in
for seven years, my wife haddecided at a particular point
that, hey, I think I want tohave a live-in, because she
always enjoyed the fantasyconcept of being quote owned.
(11:59):
But what did that mean?
So we would always have theconversations about what does it
mean to you to be owned?
And when we finally came to aconclusion of what it meant and
we both agreed upon it, theconcept of having somebody live
with us would mean that sexually, she would belong to that
(12:28):
person and he would dictate thesexual situations for her.
And it didn't mean that he tookover the household or anything
like that.
It was more like hey, we have alarge home, we're going to rent
out a small little apartment inthe house, you know, and to
somebody, and then that's moreof the way it is.
(12:51):
So once we decided on how thatworked, she finally said okay,
let's do it.
And I said do you have anybodyin mind?
And she did, because there wassomebody that was a professional
, that worked at where sheworked and she has a
(13:12):
professional career.
And she said I would like to,you know, approach them.
Now, this particular person wassomebody that she saw and we had
, you know, played with manytimes and it just so happened
that he had an apartment and hislease was coming up and he
(13:36):
didn't want to sign like anotherI think it was a two or three
year lease and so it was just afortunate thing that, you know,
she said, well, hey, why don'tyou come live with us?
And that's how he ended up withus.
Okay, but the sexual aspect,you know, evolved when he first
(13:59):
came.
The whole concept of theownership was the fact that he
would be there all the time andthat he could dictate and set
sexual situations for her andthat she agreed to.
Whatever he says, I'll do.
That's the whole concept of theI'm owned.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
OK, so she's very submissive to him.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Correct.
Ok, absolutely, yes, okay, soshe's very submissive to him
correct.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Okay, absolutely yes, so there's like a power dynamic
totem pole there, right, likehe's at the top, she's
underneath and then you're atthe bottom right.
Okay, and so like you all livetogether and is it just like fun
sexy times all the time, or isit just like you go grocery
shopping together?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The shopping has to be done.
No, I do a lot of the shoppingand I'm a cook.
I'm not a cook actually, but Icook and my wife never was big
into cooking but she did manageto, you know, learn and she has
certain things she likes to cook, but you know I do, I'd say,
(15:11):
the majority of that kind ofthing you know.
So we had to establish who doeswhat over time, because once you
start living with three peoplein a house like that, you
realize okay, somebody's got tochange the bed linen, somebody's
got to do laundry, somebody'sgot to go to the grocery store,
somebody's got to do this.
(15:32):
You know, and hell, I'm notgoing to do all of it because
that's impossible, you know.
So we had to change things upthere and once we decided who
does what and sometimes there'ssome shared things, you know,
like cooking, for example wewill, we'll go.
Somebody might say I want to, Iwant to do barbecue, like our
(15:55):
bull will go, I want to dobarbecue over the weekend.
Which would mean I'll say, well, do you want me to do it, or do
you want to do it, or what doyou want to do?
And he'll go well, why don'tyou do it?
Or he'll say I want to do it, Iwant to make ribs, and I do
better than you do, and so thatkind of thing.
So it's.
You know it's a shared sort ofthing.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, so you're very much like roommates with him
right.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
In a way, that's a term that I suppose could be
used.
But you know, in a way, aroommate is a classification you
could say, but it's entirelydifferent.
For example, it took a numberof years to evolve, but we've
(16:40):
got down to where we had abedroom suite with its own bath,
shower, walk-in closet and soforth, and we had another
bedroom that was connected tothat, that there was a door
between them.
Where you know because when webuilt the house, that's the way
I set it up set it up.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And so we evolved to the fact that now my wife and
the bull sleep together at nightand I sleep in the next bedroom
.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Oh, so every night yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I can yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Now I have to knock and ask for permission to enter.
That's one of our rules that weestablished.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, but it's part of the stimulation for her and
him and me.
I mean, I can stand there inthe doorway and watch them and
they might say you can't come in, you just have to stand there
and watch them and they mightsay, uh, you can't come in, you
can just have to stand there andwatch.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
so you know, that's a very huge stimulation for me
yeah yeah okay, so how, like howoften is your wife playing with
the bull?
So do you?
And you just sort of talkedabout how you know sometimes
you're not allowed in, you juststand there, you can watch or
whatever, but are you usuallypart of it?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
and part of it, yes, but in what way?
That's the question.
In what way?
Um, on a daily basis, there'salways some interaction.
It can be something as minor asin the mornings.
They're, you know, doing theirthing and I'm making.
I'm downstairs making breakfastfor all three of us.
(18:31):
Work schedules are a thing thatI'm flex I'm the most flexible
one in the household, the two ofthem.
They have set schedules bywhere they work.
You know so, and there'ssometimes there's a conflict
there, you know so.
There may be a day or two whereyou don't really have much
going on sexually in thehousehold because of work
(18:54):
schedules.
And I'm not allowed this is oneof our rules.
I am not allowed to touch mywife without permission from the
bull first.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Really.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yes, wow, and to elaborate on that, it's like we
have penetrative sex, but I haveto have permission from her
bull, or a bull that is therethat knows that he's the one
that can give permission.
(19:27):
I just can't have permission,and so I'm not allowed to have
penetrated sex with her unlessshe's had the bull first and the
bull has left a cream pie inher.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Sloppy seconds.
Yes, I love it.
Oh my, my god, that's soawesome.
So I can totally see how thishaving a live-in bull allows so
much more opportunity for playand for fun and for interaction
and for stimulation.
Right then then, mostcuckolding relationships, most
cuckolding relationships, youhave to, like you know, plan
(20:06):
ahead.
Okay, I'm gonna go see my bullthis weekend, like him, you know
, we're gonna do this and we'regonna get a hotel room and we're
gonna go and do that and whichis fun and everything like that.
But um this, what you have rightnow, this sounds like 24 hour
fun times I mean mixed in withreal life.
But like, the opportunities arethere.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh, the opportunities are endless.
Actually, they're endless, andreal life is always there.
But the opportunity to haveplay and interaction sexually
can pop up in all kinds of funways, and so you have that, and
(20:53):
we still, on weekends, caninvite people over and so forth
and we do so.
You know there is that.
So you know there is that it'sa stimulation for all three
people, because whatever thingthat's happening, there's a
stimulating aspect for me,there's a stimulating aspect for
(21:17):
the bull and there's astimulating aspect for my wife,
and they aren't like incompetition, they're in mutual
agreement, basically Right, andmutual celebration.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, because, like a long time ago, I had lots of
people always ask me, like youknow, oh you know, would you
want a live-in bull or whatever,or like a polyamorous
relationship with a bull andstuff and like that, and I was
just like I don't know, I candefinitely see the benefits of
having your bull just livingthere with you.
(21:51):
Like it's so much easier,especially if you do have this
dynamic with your cuck where,like that rule that you guys
have where there's no piv sexuntil she's, you know, fucked a
black guy first, right, I mean,normally that rule would suck as
a woman because, like you gotto plan this, okay, so I'm going
to see my bull this weekend.
That means I can be with myhusband after that, but not
(22:13):
before, like you know, rightright.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, the interesting part about that is that that
was the bull's idea once hemoved in.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So that was an addition that he added.
That was hey, that's great, youknow, that's great because he
knew a lot about At that pointwhen he suggested that he knew
what stimulated me really andknew what stimulated her.
So his suggestion of, hey, whatabout this?
And then we go wow, hell, yeah,so awesome.
(22:46):
And then one other thing I can'thave sex with my wife for more
than 10 minutes at a time,because I can't.
When I do have sex with her,the bull has to watch, I have to
be quote what he calledsupervised.
And if there is other bullsthere and and and it's time that
(23:08):
I they've given me permissionto have sex, he might say to his
other bulls now you got to timehim, he can only have 10
minutes.
But see, that stimulates me.
I mean, that drives me crazy.
It's just like wild.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
That's so awesome.
10 minutes is a long time.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, I'm usually so excited that, yeah, you're done
before the 10 minutes get there.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But you know yeah, because she's like stretched out
and she's like, you know, gotthe 10 minutes get there.
But you know yeah, becauseshe's like stretched out and
she's, like you know, all likegot cum in her and stuff Like
that's hot.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, the more she's stretched out and the more full
she is.
It's just hell, it's just.
You can't hardly controlyourself, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And that's so hot.
Like I've talked about thisbefore, but like if if I were
having sex with my cuck husbandafter I'd fucked a black guy and
I was full of cum, like I wouldexpect him to be so turned on
by the fact that he could barelyfeel me and like it's slippery
and like just, and if the bullwas watching, like I feel like
(24:11):
that would be so hot for himthat if he lasted.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh, it's indescribable.
It's indescribable, it's one ofthe greatest things sexually,
you know.
I mean as far as a turn on it,and it's just amazing, it's
amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
If Mike Huck lasted a long time, I'd be so offended
I'd be like the fuck is wrongwith you.
You're not turned on Like getthe fuck out.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Exactly, you're not turned on Like get the fuck out
Exactly.
Well, there's no way you canlast.
I mean, hell, there's no wayyou can last.
I mean there are times whenmaybe I last two minutes.
Maybe then I might go five orsix minutes, but 10 minutes no,
I don't hardly ever make 10minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
That's so awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I love that so what other kind of like interesting
little rules have you guys comeup with?
Well, now I have a cum fetish.
Okay, I like to eat it, swallowit, everything, and to answer
(25:10):
the question in particular aboutquestion in particular about my
wife.
After I come in her, sometimesI can eat her because she's not
only mixed with my come, but shehas the bulls comes in her too.
But then I have to havepermission, and either the bull
(25:32):
can give me the permission orshe can, if the bull lets her,
okay, and I never know what thehell they're going to tell me.
Do they ever say no, oh yeah,oh yeah.
I never know what I'm going toget it or not.
I never know when I think, oh,you know, I'm real cocky, and I
go hey, I know I'm going to getto eat this because four guys
(25:54):
fucked her Cum in her man.
I came in her and she's sooverflowing with cum and her
thighs are.
I'm just going to get my facein there and I'm going to have
cum from head to toe and thenI'm going to get to eat this
pussy and eat and swallow somuch cum and then all of a
sudden, they'll go nope, andI'll go.
(26:15):
Well, I'll go.
Well, fuck god damn I.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I admire cucks who really like to eat cum because,
like I can't stand that I I itmakes me gag like I can't.
I've never been good with I,which is annoying because like I
wish I was a total like cumchampion, you know.
But like I, I just can't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But to me I I tease and I say, well, hell, cum
champion, you know.
But like I just can't do it,well, to me, I tease and I say,
well, hell, the cum you know inher is made for me, you know,
it's made for a cook to eat, youknow, that's you know.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's cook lunch.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
It's a cook snack.
Yeah, it's a cook lunch.
It's a cook breakfast.
It's a cook, you know snack.
Whatever the heck you want tocall it, you know snack time.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
It really is.
Oh my God, no wonder I don'tlike it.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, you know, I mean you have.
The thing is, I think it's likeanything, you know you, your
first experiences probably setyou up for the future.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
So if you have a bad experience when you first tasted
it or first got to eat pussyfull of cum, whatever you know,
suck a dick and he comes in yourmouth, whatever it is If you
had a bad experience you're notprobably going to go forward
positively.
And you got you.
Even the people say, oh, let metry it a second time.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,can't do it, can't do it.
(27:40):
So if you had a good experience, which I did, I mean I've
always just, you know, loved it.
I mean it's like I don't knowwhat to.
I just love it.
You know there's no, I feel letdown if I can't participate in
(28:03):
it.
Like my God, what are you doing?
You're in the bathtub, you'rewashing the.
Oh, my God, let me clean you upfirst.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Oh, that's so amazing .
See, I love cleanup.
I love the fact that, like theactual act of it, I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But part of the reason why I love it is because
it is kind of humiliating forthe cuck in my mind anyway To me
it's rewarding, yeah, but it'sa way for you to show your
dedication and sheer pleasurefor being with this person, for
(28:41):
being allowed to be with thisperson, and to me, if it's your
wife, then that's the ultimatething, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, absolutely, I 100% agree.
I wanted to ask you about thebisexual aspect of your
relationship or of you.
So, like, help me to understandthis.
Like, are you bisexual as faras?
Like, only in sexual service toa bull, or do you, like, are
you attracted to men or like,have you had relationships with
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men before?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
like, help me understand this okay, um, go way
back in life.
When I was young, I I wasfascinated with my own dick you
and every other guy yes well, Iwas gonna say, yeah, that's not
unusual.
But what was unusual was how Iwas fascinated with other guys'
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dicks.
I would notice that I didn't.
Whenever I saw another guy'sdick it wasn't like ooh or you
know anything like that, it waslike holy crap, I want to see
that again.
You know, and I had these blackfriends and I'm fairly well
endowed.
I'm not a little guy.
I'll have to say that that waspart of one of the things my
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wife noticed about me when wequote first met.
You know that I was not little,so I always liked the fact that
I'm fairly thick and long andlarge and I always liked the
fact when I would put my ownhand around myself to masturbate
, jack off, whatever you want tocall it.
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You know, I liked that feelingof that hot dick in your hand
and how the skin felt, the touchand all of that stuff, you know
.
And and then when you startedto shoot your cum, you know I
would, I would sample, likeholding my dick tight, loose,
how you know different ways, youknow to feel it, you know, and
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you can feel the sperm pulsatethrough, boom, boom, you know,
and all of this.
So you know, I, I like, bathedmyself in this for years,
growing up as a kid and then asan adult the same thing.
So the first chance I ever hadI was with some black guys and
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they were with some girls thereand everybody was fucking and
everything.
And all of a sudden, you know,I just had an opportunity to put
my mouth on this big black cockthat had just come out of this
woman and he was all covered incum and everything you know, and
just kind of suck him off andlick him off, clean him off and
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everything, and that was the endof that.
That's that.
But that began, that you know.
So then I would.
I was always interested in God.
Now, to me, though, personalitycomes first.
If a guy's got a great lookingcock, and he's good looking guy,
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if he's got a crappypersonality, he's an asshole I'm
not going to be interested inhim, period, end of story.
And so it's personality first,you know.
And if the guy's into it youknow, some guys are into it and
not until my wife and I gotmarried and she, you know, she
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knew of, you know, myinclinations right away, and she
kind of urged me to go ahead,you know, or she would, she
would with some black guys thatwere.
She would say, hey, so, and sois he's by, you know.
If you want to suck his dickafter he fucks me, go ahead, you
know.
Or or if you want to suck theirdick and get them hard before
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they fuck me, go ahead, you knowso.
And that way I didn't have toask you know.
It was like she was like theinner intermediary that would go
hey, it's OK, do it, I do it,you know.
If you want to do it, do it,you know.
And she got.
She, she gets turned on by guys.
She, she likes to watch guystoo.
She likes to watch guys too,but she likes to watch guys
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while something's happening toher.
She isn't the kind that's justgoing to sit down and watch guys
.
Do it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Okay, so she's got to be like getting fucked or her
pussy eat or something like that, right, right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And then she really gets off on it.
It's like that's cool, becauseusually after the guys do
something, then she might wantto get involved.
You know, in some way shape orform as a continuation of what's
going on.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Right, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay, so how did you meet this extraordinary woman?
I mean, this is what your guys'life looks like right now,
which is so, so interesting.
But how did you guys get?
Where did this start and howdid you get to where you are
right now?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
older than she is and I had some black friends that I
partied with and you know weshared some ladies with and
stuff.
And just one particular friendyou know I was a real close
friend he said, hey, I got this,I got this.
He called her a slut.
He said I got this slut thatwe're fucking, that you've got
to meet, because a lot of timeswe would talk about things you
know and I would talk about your.
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You know your fantasy woman andyou know I'd like to have my
woman to be like this.
I, like you know, I'd like tofind a woman that did this or
was like.
And so one day, just out of theclear blue, he goes I got this
slut.
You really got to meet.
I said, ok, what's she like?
He said I'm not telling you,I'm not telling you, you just
got to meet her.
I don't want to put anything inyour head.
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You got to come with me and youknow, said like what?
It was a Saturday or something.
I'm pretty sure it was aweekend, it may have been a
Friday night, but anyway.
So I go with him and we go tothis party house that some other
guys you know were at, and wego in and there is my future
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wife on a bed spread as wide asyou can get, with this guy
fucking the hell out of her andfour or five other guys standing
around the bed talking you knowand like, and she's fucked some
of them, and some of them arewaiting to do her first time and
some of them are wanting moreto do her second time.
And I was like holy crap.
And so my friend he goes, yeah,yes, and he pushes a couple of
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guys out of the way and we walkright up to the edge of the bed
and she's being fucked and hereyes are glazed over but she
looks over and my friend goes,tells her name and said this is
blah, blah, blah and that's howwe were introduced.
She's still getting pounded andit's like she looks over and
they're like hello.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I'm sorry, I'm busy.
Oh my God, that's an amazingfirst impression.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So I was like oh my God, you know, you know, and so
that's the beginning of that.
I mean, so there was, thequestions were not the typical
kinds of questions, you know,once she was freed up and we
actually had a chance to talk,normally it's not the typical
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kind of oh, you meet somebody oryou're introduced by somebody
and you go on a first date andblah, blah, blah.
I mean it was just completelyupside down and backwards, you
know.
And we didn't even, we didn'teven fuck the first time.
What do you mean?
We didn't do anything.
I was so in shock I mean I just,I literally just watched her be
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fucked for like hours until shefinally took a break, you know.
And then I was like so scaredto say anything to her Like, oh,
I want to.
I didn't want to say I want tofuck you, it was just like, oh
my God, All I did was sit thereand go like a blubbering idiot.
You are fucking amazing.
You are so fucking hot.
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You are, you know, just like.
All of these things comespilling out of me because I
didn't know what else to say,you know.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Like, hey, what are you doing tomorrow?
You know, it's just all I coulddo was just be a complete ding
dong in front of her.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Well, obviously it worked out, but it sounds like
you guys have really, you know,grown and evolved over the years
.
Like what has inspired you todo that?
And have you made any decisionsover the years where you're
like, oh, that was, that didn'twork out, like that was not,
that didn't fit, that wasn't theright thing?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
well.
Well, once we kind of did alittle you know dating, so I'll
call it dating um and I got upthe courage to ask her to get
married and I was scared to evendo that and she was like okay.
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And I was shocked.
So then it was like okay, nowthat she said yes, what do we do
next?
So then it was like okay, nowthat she said yes, what do we do
next?
So we had to start talkingabout, you know, what are we
going to do, you know.
And so for how are we going tolive, where are we going to live
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?
That sort of thing.
And so I had this property andI said, hey, let's just build a
house, let's build somethingthat we can use and enjoy for
years to come.
And that's kind of what Istarted doing.
And while we were building, youknow, we rented for several
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years and I did this slowly andshe gave her input on everything
you know design, how, what youwant on the interior, all this
kind of stuff.
You know we I mean, when we hadto make a decision about
something hell, it would take usmaybe a month we'd sit and talk
about it, you know, andeverything.
So it was like a love of laborto establish what we wanted, and
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then we just kept building itup and making it better and
everything.
But our conversations about thesexual dynamic of what we
wanted to do with our lives, shewasn't about to.
I mean, she told me when Iasked her to get married and she
said yes, she said, but thereare some conditions.
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Number one I'm not going tostop fucking other guys, period.
So you need to know that.
And that's fine.
I didn't, you know, expect youto.
And so you know, when we gotall of the conditions out of the
way, that's fine, got all ofthe conditions out of the way,
that's fine.
Well, we just kind of did theswinging thing, because we knew
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some other couples we'd met,going to parties where there'd
be couples there, you know, andwe made some swinging friends
and everything.
And so it evolved.
It evolved and it evolved into,as I think, the whole black
superiority, black new worldorder, all of that kind of stuff
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started coming about and youstarted seeing it in the porn
and all of that kind of thing.
So what you were doing was youwere adopting new vernacular to
some of the same things you werestill doing.
You know that you'd been doing.
You just had different ways totalk about it and it was
stimulating New stimulation youhave a new term for something
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that can be a stimulant, no, andso we would meet other couples
that were like my wife, wholiked pretty much nothing but
black guys.
You know, what do you think ifwe just kind of go mostly for
black guys, you know, that'sfine with me.
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You're the one that's makingthat choice.
I'm fine with whatever you knowyou want to do.
If the Martians come down hereand land in the backyard and you
want to fuck everybody on thespaceship, that's fine with me.
It doesn't make any difference,you know.
You know, whatever you want todo, you're the one.
My pleasure comes from seeingyour pleasure type of thing, you
know, and that gets reinforcedover time as you have
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experiences.
The female will recognize themale's excitement and
stimulation and she will knowokay, that really got him
excited.
I fucked two guys in front ofhim and he just went bonkers.
How about if I fuck three guys,or five guys, or nine guys?
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And so that's an evolutionaryprocess.
I think that pretty much allcouples go through in some way,
shape or form, no matter whattheir inclinations are Like ours
is interracial.
Even if you aren't interracial,you still have to go through
that kind of thing that youlearn from each other and once
you learn and you trust eachother, there's no lie.
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Nobody sneaks around.
We hate the word cheating.
I hate when people say cheat,because cheating is just like a
lying and so we don't do that.
You know, everything's got tobe open and above board, you
know.
So we just kind of advancedalong until we got to this point
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of where, you know, we startedtalking about the owned aspect
and we talked about that forquite a while before, you know,
putting a definition that weboth felt comfortable with and
could wrap our heads and mindsaround and everything, and then
she said, yeah, let's do it.
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You know.
So that kind of takes usthrough 20-some years, but you
know, there's a lot of things inbetween there, specifics, but
it's just an evolution, justevolved, just an evolution just
evolved.
Same way with my cuckoldnessand bisexuality evolved too.
(43:29):
So it started with just playingaround, but now it's a big part
of your cuckold identity, right,yeah, right.
But if nothing happens, if wehave a party, we have people
over and nothing happens, for me, in that regard I'm not
disappointed or anything.
Okay, If they denied meeverything for three weeks, four
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weeks, I would probably explode.
When they finally gave me achance to okay, you now can have
sex with your wife.
Hell, I would probably not last30 seconds.
I would be built up so muchthat it was like kaboom.
You know, but that's hard totell people how freaking
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fantastic that moment ofexplosion is.
And it lasts.
It can last 30 seconds.
I mean, it's almost like thisgiant high that you just can't
describe.
You know it's just kaboomLights flashing.
You know your head spinning,you know the feelings are
indescribable.
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I wanted to ask you there's a few other things I
want to ask you about, but sincewe're talking about this and
what it feels like for you, so Iwanted to ask you about, like,
what's, what do you get out ofthis dynamic?
Most Like what is in it for you, because a lot of people will,
people who don't understand thisdynamic, will think you know,
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oh my God, like you're in, youlive poor, you, you live in this
house where you are at thebottom of the totem pole and you
know you have to ask permissionto go into the bedroom and like
, it seems so unfair.
So, for people who don'tunderstand it, what you?
How would you explain to this?
Like, what's, what do you getout of this?
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What is this as a benefit foryou?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
okay.
Well, now that's a very goodpoint and I'm sure there's many,
many, many people have thatquestion, thought and whatnot?
Because I was so enamored withmy own damn dick when I was a
kid I'm still enamored with myown damn dick.
So you know, I can masturbatewatching them and and, and it
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feels fantastic to me.
Now my thing is then I can tellmyself, and sometimes I get
told you can masturbate but youcan't ejaculate.
Okay, so you are gettingpleasure.
That is a pleasure that Iembrace personally.
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Now some guys may not get thatexcited, get that kind of
pleasure from just masturbatingand watching.
I can get that.
I know what's going to happenwhen I finally have a release of
some kind, and so it's achallenge for me, it's a turn on
for me, a self turn on for meto go.
Okay, I can be hard for hourswatching her and watching him.
(46:39):
Yeah, I'm not going to letmyself go because I'm saving
myself for when I finally amtold you now have permission to
have your wife.
So it's a feeling of contentment, of real joy, of satisfaction.
(47:01):
There's nothing like it.
I mean it's a huge love way.
I mean it really is.
I, since I don't do thehumiliation thing.
It's not a humiliation thing tome, it's a pure joy thing.
And I know that she knows thatand that the bull knows that.
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And they're into providing mewith what stimulates me.
As I'm providing them with whatstimulates them, my acceptance
of it is a providing them ofwhat they do, because I don't
have any stipulations on oh, youcan't fuck my wife, you know,
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on Wednesday, you know I want todo that, you know I let that be
set because I like those thingsset for me, because they
stimulate me.
You know they make me go crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Isn't that a form of humiliation though I know you
say you're not really into thehumiliation.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Well see, that's the thing I don't think it is.
Now, somebody that's intohumiliation might think that
that's humiliating To me, that'sstimulating to the point where
my masculinity isn't threatenedat all around these bulls.
It's not threatened at all,bulls, it's not threatened at
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all.
You know, if a bull tells me,get over here and suck my dick,
I'm like over there as fast asyou can get.
You know, and to me it's not.
It's, they know that that'swhat my serving them is a big,
big, huge turn on.
Okay.
So if I'm, if I'm like, if abull says, come over here and
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suck me off, I'm over theresucking him off.
I get hard as hell.
He might say don't you fuckingcome, just keep sucking my dick,
don't you suck, don't you come.
And he might say he might yellacross the room to two or three
other bulls saying look at thisson of a bitch, suck my dick.
You ought to try it, you know.
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So that stimulates the hell outof me and I don't feel
emasculated, you know, by that.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
But I don't know that humiliation means emasculation
or degradation.
It just means fun.
It's like a mental striptease,it's like teasing right.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Exactly, exactly, yeah, and how you individually,
as an individual, take that intoyour own.
Stimulation is the difference,I think.
To me it's like a joy to me.
Whoopee, yeah, I love that shit.
Now another guy might go ohgosh, you know, that just makes
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me cringe, but I'm going to doit and I love it, but it makes
me cringe.
I'm not that way, you know.
So there's different ways, youknow.
I mean, maybe, maybe you'reright, humiliation is got a huge
kind of a description to it, orif you want to think about it
that way, yeah, it sounds likethe angst.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
you don't get the angsty part, the cuck angsty
part, that kind of likeuncomfortable, like it's it's a
turn on, but it's uncomfortable.
It sounds like it's thoroughlya turn on for you, but it is
rooted in humiliation or teasing.
Okay, now I think I understandit.
This is so fascinating.
I love this way.
I love talking to cucks andgetting the cuck experience in
the perspective because, like,it seems like there's such a
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range and it's just fascinatingto me how your mind works.
Like it's so cool.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Well, it's definitely something that I get.
If you put 10 Cucks in a roomand you had them all having this
same conversation, you're goingto get 10 different answers
about everything.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean there's a lot of commonthemes, but it's so varied.
Yeah, absolutely, I meanthere's a lot of common themes,
but it's so varied, which is sointeresting.
So I want to ask you, though,quickly, before I get to my next
question.
I just want to ask you quickly,your wife OK, so you guys have
evolved so much and you knowyou've gone down the black owned
road and the living bowl andstuff like that, and there's
this power totem pole andeverything like that Do you feel
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like your wife has looked atyou?
Does she ever look at youdifferently?
Does she maybe not respect youas much as she used to, or
something?
Speaker 2 (51:11):
No, no, because this is a big fear that cucks have.
I know, I know I heard youmention that on some of your
podcasts.
Yeah, no, and I think thereason is because we both have
spent a lot of time over a lotof years having periodical
conversations about this andexpressing to each other our
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sincerity about how the otherperson is treating the other
person, and that is.
There's no question aboutsomebody loving you.
You know, if there's acatastrophe, she's going to be
the first person there, period.
Same way, if there's acatastrophe, I'm going to be the
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first person there.
She knows that.
We know we can count on eachother.
That's always there, period,end of story.
So that dedication came from thevery beginning, all the way
through, and it's one of thosethings that you just nurture and
grow it.
It's like growing a garden, youknow, and it just gets stronger
(52:18):
and stronger as you go along,because you're going to face all
sorts of medium-sized, littleand large things that are going
to happen.
That's just part of life.
That's going to test that, andwhen you have those tests and
you get through those tests, yousee that I can count on him.
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He's, he's always going to bethere for me.
I can count on her.
She's always going to be therefor me.
I can count on her.
She's always going to be therefor me.
I'm not going to questionanything about her sexual likes
and everything.
That's what she wants, becausethat's what she loves, you know.
I mean she loves the person sheis, and she will tell you that
she can be that way because Iallow her to be that way and I
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can say the same thing.
I couldn't be me without her.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
It is like a gift that you give each other.
I just love that so much.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
And it's not, it's typical.
You can find a married couplethat's not into swinging, not
into anything that's justtraditionally vanilla, and they
can say that very same thing,that's that trust and sincerity
and caring about each other.
So that's a thing that's got tobe there.
You don't even have to bemarried to have that, because we
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have some couples that havebeen together for 12 or 20 years
, that aren't married, butthey've been together, but they
have that thing that cementstheir souls together, right,
right.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Okay, I want to ask you about the relationship
between your live-in bull andyour wife.
Is it like a love feelings,romantic relationship, or is
this just like a roommate kindof situation?
Speaker 2 (54:03):
It's a combination of both.
It's an interweaving of both.
Think about a garment that'scrocheted.
It's how it's put together,it's got both in there.
It's a thing that her and I,when we talked about this
concept of ownership, ofownership what she felt that
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ownership was was turning do andthat she would basically not
have any say.
He could say I want you to comeover here and do this, I want
you to do that, and she'd justdo it.
(54:55):
So in the years that they'vebeen there, he's been there and
they've been developing this, weall three have been developing
this.
It's a combination of, like avisual, romantic sort of thing,
like dating, romantic-like.
New people can come that wedon't know, and when we get
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introduced, you know, she mightsay to her in front of these
people well, this is my man, andshe will point, you know, or
put her arm around her bull.
Then she would go now, but thisis my husband over here, and
then I would come, you know, soshe has this here, and then I
will come, you know, so she hasthis, we have this language, you
(55:48):
know, oh, and that, and thatdifferentiates the thing.
You know, this is my husband,my husband is always my husband,
this is my man, though and isthis live-in bull that you guys
have?
Speaker 1 (56:02):
is he content with the situation?
Like he is not looking for awife one day.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Oh no, he's fine because, number one, he had been
married once.
It didn't last very long andhe's not younger than her or
anything like that.
We're all in the same age range.
So, no matter of fact, when hewas asked, do you want to like
(56:32):
live with us?
He was like ecstatic.
You know.
He thought hell, yeah, yeah,this is great.
You know, and you know.
And the financial aspects youknow.
And the financial aspects is hecontributes and that's all that
we ever wanted.
I'm not going to put anyamounts in, but he contributes.
(56:55):
So food and everything,utilities, all that kind of he
contributes with things, becausehe would have been paying rent,
absorbent rent in anotherapartment for four or five years
and all he would be doing wascoming over and seeing us on a
weekend or something.
This way he's there all thetime.
So it changed everything, itelevated everything, it made
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everything more happy.
I like to say it makes us allhappy, you know, because it's an
interaction that once we satdown at a table and came up with
rules and this process took alittle while it wasn't like, oh,
let's sit down with a clipboardand we're going to come up with
some rules tonight, and that'sthe way it's going to be.
(57:40):
We had deep discussions aboutthese things, right, and because
every rule had to have.
Why do we have this rule?
It has some kind of dynamicthat is a positive stimulant and
turn on for us you have toenjoy it.
(58:01):
Right, it can't just be a rule,Just, you know.
Saying it all, there's a threeway mutual situation here.
So you know, once you establishthose things, they work.
They can work wonders.
You know, you got to have rules.
If you don't have rules, yougot chaos.
You know nothing works in chaos.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah, and I can assume that and I say I've
always felt this way.
When people ask me, like do Iwant to have like a relationship
, like a romantic relationshipwith a bull and stuff like that,
I would always assume that likethese, like three-way
relationships, just require alot more, uh, careful
coordination, a lot of checkingin, a lot of um.
(58:42):
There's a lot of moving partsthat you have to balance and
figure out along the way, and Ijust thought it seemed like
maybe a bit more work than justregular, like a regular
relationship, um.
So it sounds like you guys havetaken a lot of great care and
attention to sit down and reallytalk things out, and the time
that you've taken, um to makesure that everything is working
(59:02):
okay and adjusting things likethat.
So it seems like really likeit's worked for you guys.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Well, yeah, and you, I mean you have to do that, you
just have to um it.
To me, it's not not anydifferent than as a couple.
You just sat down and you gotto have rules and you got to
have coordination there.
For the third person, isn'tthat more?
Isn't that much more difficult?
(59:28):
Not in a lifestyle settingsituation like this, because we
all have schedules we have towork with and we already had
been playing together for a longtime, so we knew him quite well
and he wasn't the kind that Imean, he loved us.
You know, and it still does.
You know, he, he, he liked usas people, period.
(59:50):
Take the sex away, take thataway.
As people, we like each other.
That's the main thing.
When I said earlier that youhave the character and
everything of the person, youhave to like that.
You have to be into that,because you can find people that
would go, hey, yeah, I'd loveto do that, but they don't have
the character and thepersonality to fit into that
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place.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Does your wife consider herself a queen of
spades?
Does she identify with thatlabel?
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
But she doesn't have tattoos or anything.
You know, she'll wear thelittle temporary things and
stuff because we have parties.
We have parties a lot, becausewe have a big swimming pool, a
big cabana that's out, and Imean a big swimming pool Like
(01:00:42):
you could maybe see that kind ofsize pool in a city park for
kids.
It's really big.
I mean, we can host 35, 40people, and we have this big
cabana and we have this gigantic12-person hot tub.
Then we have another likesix-person hot tub.
That's on the back porch,because we built a house where
(01:01:06):
all of the pool and all of thatstuff's on the east side, on the
backside of the house.
It faces the sunset.
It's a huge, long porch, runsthe whole way of the house, so
you can sit out there and watch,and then there's a little lake
down below too, so we get towatch the sunset every night,
you know.
And so we got a porch there andwe got a hot tub there too.
(01:01:27):
It's a six-person one, you knowso, and it's three stories and
one story is just bedrooms andplay big, huge playroom.
But it also has a small littlekitchenette area, you know, down
there, with refrigerators andstuff, you know, so you can keep
all your beverages and thingsdown there.
And it has a couple ofdifferent bathrooms down there,
(01:01:49):
because when you have a largeparty you got to have bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
You can't have just one bathroom.
It does not work.
So downstairs in the party room, we actually have four
full-size baths with showers,and because people get sloppy
enough that they want to take ashower, you know, I mean,
because a lot of times in likethis time of the year during the
summer, we'll have partiesoutside, people will be fucking
outside and they'll want to goin and clean up because I mean,
(01:02:15):
they're, they're a sweaty mess,forget to come and all that
stuff.
They're sweating, you know, andthey need to go in and take a
shower, you know, or they wantto, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
So you know yeah, wow , it sounds like you're living
your best cuck boy life,honestly, yeah yeah, and you
know the term cuck boy.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
You know, one of the reasons that I joined your site
is because, as I would listen toyour podcasts and everything, I
would think you know there'smore to this than is being
talked about or being said.
So I said I need to join thesite and I was kind of a little
shy because I didn't know whatthe first thing to do.
(01:02:57):
So I kind of did theintroduction there and then
waited to see some of the thingsthat were said and tried to
chime in with some stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
And you know, so I'm still that's still a work in
progress- but it's that yourstory is really amazing and I
think that it's inspirational onso many levels because you are,
like I said, you live in yourbest cuck boy life and you're it
sounds like you and your wifeand your living bull are just
(01:03:27):
really fucking enjoying yourlife right now and that you've
got to a point where everyonehas so much joy together,
creating so much joy togetherand just like this is a very
fulfilling situation and dynamicthat you have in these
experiences that you're having,like I have so much jealousy
right now.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Oh no, don't be jealous.
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
No, in a good way.
I'm like I need okay, I'mmaking a list I need a house
like that, four fuckingbathrooms with the playroom.
I need a big ass pool.
I need all of this shit, okayMaking a list over here.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Well, you got to have the cabana.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Don't forget the cabana, because you got to get
when you get out.
You can't be in the sun all day.
You got to have the shade outthere by the pool, that's right.
So I'm over here fucking makinga list because this is amazing,
um, but it's going to beinspirational for a lot of
people because, especially, um,for guys who really fantasize
about the live in bull situationor the bisexual cuck situation
or whatever, like all of thesedifferent aspects of this
dynamic.
People fantasize a lot aboutthis.
Very few, actually, that I knowof that have made it happen for
(01:04:33):
real.
You're one of them.
But I do come across guys who,like, feel like this is what
they want, and so they'relooking for a woman who will
sign up for exactly what youhave, almost exactly like what
you have right now, thesituation that you have right
now.
Do you think that this is it isrealistic for guys to be able
to like, almost like, shop for acurated cuck relationship like
(01:04:56):
the one you have, or is thissomething that?
Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I think that it's possible if you're on a some
kind of site, like we when yearsago we used to use adult friend
finder.
If you're on some kind of site,like we when years ago we used
to use adult friend finder, ifyou're on some kind of site and
you are very specific about whatyou're looking for and you and
you then it's a matter of look.
If somebody comes across youand you are able to talk with
(01:05:20):
them and I don't know how youwould do it, like just meeting
somebody in public, you know forthe first time.
First of all, how in hell doyou let them know what you're
interested in?
You know?
So, I think it's possible, butyou can't force it to happen,
you can't make it happen.
(01:05:41):
I got lucky, that's all I cansay and that's all I tell guys.
I got lucky.
Yeah.
How many guys walk in with yourbuddy?
You're single, your future wife.
The first time you see her, herlegs are spread open and she's
having the hell fucked out ofher, and by a black guy, and
(01:06:02):
there's four or five standingaround her waiting to fuck her
or are they?
already fucked her.
I didn't know at that point.
You know, and I mean, even whenI talk about it today, it's
like your mouth drops open andyou go.
Well, how do you describe this?
You know, this is like crazy,you know.
But I have talked to guys.
(01:06:24):
We have a couple we know andthey met at a swingers swingers
kind of party thing where theywent to one of those hedonism
things down in the.
Bahamas or something like that.
Yeah, and they met and theywere both married to different
people at the time, but they metand they they their partners.
(01:06:46):
They ended up getting divorcedand they remembered each other
and they contacted each otherand they got together and they'd
been together for like 15 yearsand they were having a great,
swinging, cuckold life situation.
So you never know how this isgoing to happen and you can't
(01:07:07):
force it.
All you can do is takeadvantage of.
Maybe here's what I always tellpeople a wise person makes more
opportunities than they find.
So you have to make youropportunities.
What are those?
Well, join some sites, adultfriend finders, some of these
specialty sites.
State what you're looking for,be specific.
(01:07:30):
Don't cheat on what you say.
Put everything out there infront and wait and see.
It's kind of like fishing.
You got the right bait, youmight catch a fish.
There's no guarantee but you'recertainly not going to catch
that fish if you don't get thefishing pole, get the line, get
the bait, go out to the placeand drop the line in.
(01:07:50):
You got to do those things.
Yeah, yeah, agreed, and youknow it's not going to, it's not
going to find itself for you.
Yeah, and when guys say, well,I'm just too shy for that.
Well, that's fine, I'll tellyou.
A lot of guys have fantasies andthat's all they're ever going
to have is a fantasy For us.
(01:08:12):
If you ask me what's my fantasy, I don't.
I can tell you what I love, butI think most of the things that
are fantasies are things we do.
You know, things we do.
My wife has made a commentbefore when people ask her about
fantasies and she'll say I onlyhave one fantasy, she says I
want to eat Katy Perry's pussywhile Snoop Dogg fucks me doggy.
(01:08:34):
So she knows that's never goingto happen, but that's because
that's a fantasy.
But she says it's a greatfantasy.
Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
That's funny.
Your wife sounds amazing andyou're right, you did get lucky
Like.
I can't even believe the storyabout how you guys met.
That is so fantastic.
It sounds like she is just theright person for you and you
guys were really fortunate to beable to meet each other and
connect like that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
It is A lot of.
It is pure luck, being in theright place at the right time
and that sort of thing.
But you can kind of fudge.
Like I said, if you putyourself out there on some of
these sites and you say exactlywhat you're looking for and
you're honest about that andpeople contact you and talk to
you, you might meet somebodythat way.
(01:09:27):
You're certainly not going tomeet anybody if you don't do
something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
That's right.
Yeah, absolutely Okay.
We have run out of time, whichis unfortunate because I still
have all of these questions Iwanted to ask you.
However.
Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
We'll have to do it again.
Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
We'll have to do it again.
And for those of you who arelooking to connect with Cuckboy
Chaz, he is in the QueensQuarters community.
That's a free community.
If you want to join, you can goto venuscuckledresscom or the
link is in the show notes fortoday and you can see where he
has posted his introduction postin the thread in the Q&A.
(01:10:04):
I think it's in the Q&A thread.
Anyway, it's in the feedsomewhere.
Um, but we are going to do alive meetup event, a live event
together, myself and CuckboyChaz.
We're going to be talking aboutthis episode and expanding on
on some things that we've talkedabout and also going over some
things that we didn't get achance to cover.
(01:10:24):
So make sure you join theQueens Quarters community, if
you haven't already, and thenkeep an eye out for that event.
We will post the day and timein there and those are a lot of
fun because as a member of thecommunity, you can actually join
that live event and you can askquestions, you can interact and
you can.
It's just a lot of fun.
(01:10:46):
So, kakboi Chaz, thank you somuch for being on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Thank you, my thanks go to you.
Podcast Venus has ever done isvery enlightening, informative
and just absolutely fuckingfantastic, and you're not going
(01:11:12):
to find a woman in the worldthat's any more supportive of
this lifestyle outside of mywife than Venus is, and so you
just need to.
You need to listen toeverything she's got to say.
Just worship her like shedeserves.
She's amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Damn right.
So those are your instructionboys, whoever's listening right
now.
You got to go back and you gotto listen from episode one all
the way to this one.
That's right and then commenton it in the Queens Corners
community.
Absolutely, that's yourhallmark.
Thank you so much for showing,sharing your story.
I think it's so inspirationaland it's so unique and so
(01:11:56):
amazing, and I've just learned alot from you today.
So thank you for being on.
Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Oh, you're welcome.
Thank you for having having methanks for joining me today.
Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Make sure you go to venuscuckledresscom.
That's where you can bookaprivate chat with me, you can
check out any cuckolding eventsthat might be happening, and you
can even ask a question for theshow, as well as, of course,
join the queen's quarters fanclub and get all the benefits
for that.
You can also also follow me onInstagram, the Venus Kuckledrist
(01:12:27):
podcast.
I haven't been banned there.
Well, I have, but not recently.
You can also follow me onTwitter, or whatever the fuck
you want to call it.
My handle is at Kuckledrist V.
That's it for today.
We'll see you next time.
This is what's coming up on the show.
Your wife has been what youcall black-owned right Correct.
And you have a live-in bullCorrect.
And you are, I believe, abisexual cuckold right Correct.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Now my wife and the bull sleep together at night and
I sleep in the next bedroom.
I have to knock and ask forpermission to enter.
That's one of our rules that weestablished.
And they might say you can'tcome in, you just have to stand
there and watch in.
(00:49):
You just have to stand thereand watch.
I am not allowed to touch mywife without permission from the
bull first.
Really, yes, wow.
And to elaborate on that, it'slike we have penetrative sex but
I have to have permission fromher bull.
I'm not allowed to havepenetrative sex with her unless
(01:12):
she's had the bull first and thebull has left a cream pie in
her Sloppy seconds.
And one other thing I can'thave sex with my wife for more
than 10 minutes at a time.
That's because I can't.
When I, when I do have sex withher, the bull has to watch.
(01:32):
I have to be quote what hecalled supervised.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
This is the Venus Cuckoldris podcast a place to
learn all things cuckolding forthe curious, for the passionate
and for the sexually empoweredwoman who wants it all.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Welcome to the show everyone.
I'm your host, venus.
Thanks so much for joining me,and what a show I have, as you
can tell by that trailer thatyou just listened to, it is a
crazy one.
I mean crazy in a really goodway, and I'm so excited to be
able to have Cuckboy Chaz on theshow to talk about this dynamic
that he's in this likethree-way relationship between
(02:44):
his black owned wife and theirbull, who lives with them, is
just, it's truly amazing, likeit's an awesome, awesome story.
So I'm excited for you to beable to listen to this one.
He's definitely living his bestcuck life, that's for sure.
Um, but first, um, oh, Iactually before we get to news
(03:05):
and events.
Okay, so listen up.
We talked about a lot today inthis episode and there was so
much more that we really wantedto get into.
So what we decided was thatwe're going to do a live event
in the Queens Quarters communitywhere Cockboy Chaz and I are
going to talk a little bit moreabout his story and you can join
(03:27):
, and it'll be free to join, andyou can ask questions, and it's
a little bit more interactiveand stuff like that.
So it's going to be a lot offun.
So make sure you join theQueens Quarters community If you
haven't already.
The link is going to be in thedescription notes and then keep
an eye out in there.
I'll post the day and time inthere once we have that.
So okay news.
Let's move on to news.
(03:48):
I do have some news.
So I've had a great summer.
I mean, I started out thesummer I had my surgery.
That went okay, and then I wentto Las Vegas and that was like
so fucking fun.
And then last week I went andgot the oh shot, which many of
you I'm sure have never fuckingheard of, because I didn't hear
(04:09):
about it until I met a woman whotold me about it and she was
like, oh my god, venus, you haveto, you have to get this.
And I was like what she's like?
It changed my fucking life.
So thank you to grunky, one ofmy helpful cucks.
He paid for me to go and getthis done and I swear to god, oh
my god, it is insane.
(04:29):
So the o shot is short for theorgasm shot, and what it is is
it's the actual medicalprocedure.
You go to a doctor's office,they do it.
It's a.
You get injected with plateletrich plasma which they take from
your own blood and they injectit into you.
So for the women that who getthis done, they inject it like
around your clit and like inyour G spot and stuff like that.
(04:51):
And this is like this, oh myGod.
Okay, let me first say it hurtslike a fucking bitch.
You can't be a little pussy ifyou're gonna get this done,
because this is not for thefaint of heart.
It hurts like a bitch, okay,but it lasts a year and I was
kind of skeptical because I waslike I don't know if this is
(05:12):
going to work.
I had it a week ago.
I used my vibrator for thefirst time and I was like oh,
what was that?
I'm fucking serious, by the way.
I like they don't sponsor, Idon't sponsor, they don't
sponsor me.
Whatever, I'm good, I'm good,paid to say any of the shit
(05:33):
about the O shot, okay, and butit is.
I was like what the fuck wasthat mind bending orgasm that I
just had?
Like it was so insane.
I don't even like I and I'mlike mad I didn't get this done
sooner.
I was like holy shit, that wasinsane, it's insane.
(05:55):
So, anyway, it's only been aweek and um, I, this weekend I
am going to go see one of my newbulls, and so I am really,
really looking forward to theresults.
Like, I'm happy as fuck thesedays.
Anyway, it's called the O shot.
(06:18):
So for all of you husbandslistening in, trust me, you're
going to want to look into thisfor your wife, if she's not
already doing it, because, like,oh my god, it is so worth it.
Okay, events there's a couple ofreally good events that are
coming up, so I'm doing aninterracial chat for all of you
(06:41):
in interracial enthusiasts andfor those of you listening to
today's episode.
That's probably what you'reinto.
Um, I'm going to do a live chatin the Queens quarters
community and I do a monthly oneabout interracial.
So the one I'm going to do forSeptember is going to be Friday,
the 13th at 1 PM, and it'sgoing to be all about race play.
(07:04):
So I've invited Pagan from theFour Horsemen, cuck, next Door,
is going to be there, crystalWelch is going to join me as
well as, I'm hoping, a fewothers, and we're going to be
talking about race play, what itis, what it sounds like, what
it looks like and why is thissuch a thing for some people.
(07:25):
So if you want to join that,it's totally free, just go to
the Queens Quarters communityand click on the events tab and
you can RSVP there.
The other event I have coming upin September, which is the fall
, I believe, the following week,it's a pillow talk event and
it's going to be Friday, the20th, at noon.
(07:45):
This is going to be DocChocolate Fun, charlie Blonde on
the Bay and her husband andthey were the group that I went
to Las Vegas with, or I met inLas Vegas, and we went to Blonde
on the Bay's amazing vowcuckold vow renewal ceremony.
So they're going to join melive on Pillow Talk on Crowdcast
(08:08):
, and that's going to be tons offun.
It's free to join live.
If you would like to, youcertainly can.
You can just go and sign up atvenuscukkledresscom.
Just click on the events page.
It's going to be a ton of fun.
Okay, that's it for events.
Now we're going to jump intothis episode right after this
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Okay, joining me on the showtoday.
I have a special guest.
Name is cuck boy chas, and Ifirst came across him in the
queen's quarters community.
I'm so excited to have himshare his story with you today,
because I've been waiting solong to be able to have somebody
(10:19):
share their story about havinga live-in bull.
This is a fantasy that I'vecome across very often, with a
lot of cucks who've reallywanted this aspect, but it's
been difficult for me toactually find real-life couples
who are living with their bull.
So, chaz, I'm so excited tohave you on the show today.
(10:39):
Welcome, say hello to everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, thank you very much, and I'm very honored to be
here.
I mean, I couldn't think of anymore wonderful place to be than
right here, right now, with you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So I know that you guys have been together, for you
and your wife have beentogether for, I think, around 25
years, but for the past sevenyears your wife has been what
you call black owned right andyou have a live in bull and you
are, I believe, a bisexualcuckold right Correct, Okay.
(11:17):
And so you serve both your wifeand the bull and or whoever
else you're told to serve, rightCorrect and the bull, or
whoever else you're told toserve, right Correct, Okay.
So this is so fascinating.
Please go into detail aboutwhat this actually looks like on
a real-life basis.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, currently, because we have had a live-in
for seven years, my wife haddecided at a particular point
that, hey, I think I want tohave a live-in, because she
always enjoyed the fantasyconcept of being quote owned.
(11:59):
But what did that mean?
So we would always have theconversations about what does it
mean to you to be owned?
And when we finally came to aconclusion of what it meant and
we both agreed upon it, theconcept of having somebody live
with us would mean that sexually, she would belong to that
(12:28):
person and he would dictate thesexual situations for her.
And it didn't mean that he tookover the household or anything
like that.
It was more like hey, we have alarge home, we're going to rent
out a small little apartment inthe house, you know, and to
somebody, and then that's moreof the way it is.
(12:51):
So once we decided on how thatworked, she finally said okay,
let's do it.
And I said do you have anybodyin mind?
And she did, because there wassomebody that was a professional
, that worked at where sheworked and she has a
(13:12):
professional career.
And she said I would like to,you know, approach them.
Now, this particular person wassomebody that she saw and we had
, you know, played with manytimes and it just so happened
that he had an apartment and hislease was coming up and he
(13:36):
didn't want to sign like anotherI think it was a two or three
year lease and so it was just afortunate thing that, you know,
she said, well, hey, why don'tyou come live with us?
And that's how he ended up withus.
Okay, but the sexual aspect,you know, evolved when he first
(13:59):
came.
The whole concept of theownership was the fact that he
would be there all the time andthat he could dictate and set
sexual situations for her andthat she agreed to.
Whatever he says, I'll do.
That's the whole concept of theI'm owned.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
OK, so she's very submissive to him.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Correct.
Ok, absolutely, yes, okay, soshe's very submissive to him
correct.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Okay, absolutely yes, so there's like a power dynamic
totem pole there, right, likehe's at the top, she's
underneath and then you're atthe bottom right.
Okay, and so like you all livetogether and is it just like fun
sexy times all the time, or isit just like you go grocery
shopping together?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The shopping has to be done.
No, I do a lot of the shoppingand I'm a cook.
I'm not a cook actually, but Icook and my wife never was big
into cooking but she did manageto, you know, learn and she has
certain things she likes to cook, but you know I do, I'd say,
(15:11):
the majority of that kind ofthing you know.
So we had to establish who doeswhat over time, because once you
start living with three peoplein a house like that, you
realize okay, somebody's got tochange the bed linen, somebody's
got to do laundry, somebody'sgot to go to the grocery store,
somebody's got to do this.
(15:32):
You know, and hell, I'm notgoing to do all of it because
that's impossible, you know.
So we had to change things upthere and once we decided who
does what and sometimes there'ssome shared things, you know,
like cooking, for example wewill, we'll go.
Somebody might say I want to, Iwant to do barbecue, like our
(15:55):
bull will go, I want to dobarbecue over the weekend.
Which would mean I'll say, well, do you want me to do it, or do
you want to do it, or what doyou want to do?
And he'll go well, why don'tyou do it?
Or he'll say I want to do it, Iwant to make ribs, and I do
better than you do, and so thatkind of thing.
So it's.
You know it's a shared sort ofthing.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, so you're very much like roommates with him
right.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
In a way, that's a term that I suppose could be
used.
But you know, in a way, aroommate is a classification you
could say, but it's entirelydifferent.
For example, it took a numberof years to evolve, but we've
(16:40):
got down to where we had abedroom suite with its own bath,
shower, walk-in closet and soforth, and we had another
bedroom that was connected tothat, that there was a door
between them.
Where you know because when webuilt the house, that's the way
I set it up set it up.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And so we evolved to the fact that now my wife and
the bull sleep together at nightand I sleep in the next bedroom
.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Oh, so every night yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I can yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Now I have to knock and ask for permission to enter.
That's one of our rules that weestablished.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, but it's part of the stimulation for her and
him and me.
I mean, I can stand there inthe doorway and watch them and
they might say you can't come in, you just have to stand there
and watch them and they mightsay, uh, you can't come in, you
can just have to stand there andwatch.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
so you know, that's a very huge stimulation for me
yeah yeah okay, so how, like howoften is your wife playing with
the bull?
So do you?
And you just sort of talkedabout how you know sometimes
you're not allowed in, you juststand there, you can watch or
whatever, but are you usuallypart of it?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
and part of it, yes, but in what way?
That's the question.
In what way?
Um, on a daily basis, there'salways some interaction.
It can be something as minor asin the mornings.
They're, you know, doing theirthing and I'm making.
I'm downstairs making breakfastfor all three of us.
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Work schedules are a thing thatI'm flex I'm the most flexible
one in the household, the two ofthem.
They have set schedules bywhere they work.
You know so, and there'ssometimes there's a conflict
there, you know so.
There may be a day or two whereyou don't really have much
going on sexually in thehousehold because of work
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schedules.
And I'm not allowed this is oneof our rules.
I am not allowed to touch mywife without permission from the
bull first.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Really.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yes, wow, and to elaborate on that, it's like we
have penetrative sex, but I haveto have permission from her
bull, or a bull that is therethat knows that he's the one
that can give permission.
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I just can't have permission,and so I'm not allowed to have
penetrated sex with her unlessshe's had the bull first and the
bull has left a cream pie inher.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Sloppy seconds.
Yes, I love it.
Oh my, my god, that's soawesome.
So I can totally see how thishaving a live-in bull allows so
much more opportunity for playand for fun and for interaction
and for stimulation.
Right then then, mostcuckolding relationships, most
cuckolding relationships, youhave to, like you know, plan
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ahead.
Okay, I'm gonna go see my bullthis weekend, like him, you know
, we're gonna do this and we'regonna get a hotel room and we're
gonna go and do that and whichis fun and everything like that.
But um this, what you have rightnow, this sounds like 24 hour
fun times I mean mixed in withreal life.
But like, the opportunities arethere.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh, the opportunities are endless.
Actually, they're endless, andreal life is always there.
But the opportunity to haveplay and interaction sexually
can pop up in all kinds of funways, and so you have that, and
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we still, on weekends, caninvite people over and so forth
and we do so.
You know there is that.
So you know there is that it'sa stimulation for all three
people, because whatever thingthat's happening, there's a
stimulating aspect for me,there's a stimulating aspect for
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the bull and there's astimulating aspect for my wife,
and they aren't like incompetition, they're in mutual
agreement, basically Right, andmutual celebration.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, because, like a long time ago, I had lots of
people always ask me, like youknow, oh you know, would you
want a live-in bull or whatever,or like a polyamorous
relationship with a bull andstuff and like that, and I was
just like I don't know, I candefinitely see the benefits of
having your bull just livingthere with you.
(21:51):
Like it's so much easier,especially if you do have this
dynamic with your cuck where,like that rule that you guys
have where there's no piv sexuntil she's, you know, fucked a
black guy first, right, I mean,normally that rule would suck as
a woman because, like you gotto plan this, okay, so I'm going
to see my bull this weekend.
That means I can be with myhusband after that, but not
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before, like you know, rightright.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, the interesting part about that is that that
was the bull's idea once hemoved in.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So that was an addition that he added.
That was hey, that's great, youknow, that's great because he
knew a lot about At that pointwhen he suggested that he knew
what stimulated me really andknew what stimulated her.
So his suggestion of, hey, whatabout this?
And then we go wow, hell, yeah,so awesome.
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And then one other thing I can'thave sex with my wife for more
than 10 minutes at a time,because I can't.
When I do have sex with her,the bull has to watch, I have to
be quote what he calledsupervised.
And if there is other bullsthere and and and it's time that
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I they've given me permissionto have sex, he might say to his
other bulls now you got to timehim, he can only have 10
minutes.
But see, that stimulates me.
I mean, that drives me crazy.
It's just like wild.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
That's so awesome.
10 minutes is a long time.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well, I'm usually so excited that, yeah, you're done
before the 10 minutes get there.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But you know yeah, because she's like stretched out
and she's like, you know, gotthe 10 minutes get there.
But you know yeah, becauseshe's like stretched out and
she's, like you know, all likegot cum in her and stuff Like
that's hot.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, the more she's stretched out and the more full
she is.
It's just hell, it's just.
You can't hardly controlyourself, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And that's so hot.
Like I've talked about thisbefore, but like if if I were
having sex with my cuck husbandafter I'd fucked a black guy and
I was full of cum, like I wouldexpect him to be so turned on
by the fact that he could barelyfeel me and like it's slippery
and like just, and if the bullwas watching, like I feel like
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that would be so hot for himthat if he lasted.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh, it's indescribable.
It's indescribable, it's one ofthe greatest things sexually,
you know.
I mean as far as a turn on it,and it's just amazing, it's
amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
If Mike Huck lasted a long time, I'd be so offended
I'd be like the fuck is wrongwith you.
You're not turned on Like getthe fuck out.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Exactly, you're not turned on Like get the fuck out
Exactly.
Well, there's no way you canlast.
I mean, hell, there's no wayyou can last.
I mean there are times whenmaybe I last two minutes.
Maybe then I might go five orsix minutes, but 10 minutes no,
I don't hardly ever make 10minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
That's so awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I love that so what other kind of like interesting
little rules have you guys comeup with?
Well, now I have a cum fetish.
Okay, I like to eat it, swallowit, everything, and to answer
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the question in particular aboutquestion in particular about my
wife.
After I come in her, sometimesI can eat her because she's not
only mixed with my come, but shehas the bulls comes in her too.
But then I have to havepermission, and either the bull
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can give me the permission orshe can, if the bull lets her,
okay, and I never know what thehell they're going to tell me.
Do they ever say no, oh yeah,oh yeah.
I never know what I'm going toget it or not.
I never know when I think, oh,you know, I'm real cocky, and I
go hey, I know I'm going to getto eat this because four guys
(25:54):
fucked her Cum in her man.
I came in her and she's sooverflowing with cum and her
thighs are.
I'm just going to get my facein there and I'm going to have
cum from head to toe and thenI'm going to get to eat this
pussy and eat and swallow somuch cum and then all of a
sudden, they'll go nope, andI'll go.
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Well, I'll go.
Well, fuck god damn I.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I admire cucks who really like to eat cum because,
like I can't stand that I I itmakes me gag like I can't.
I've never been good with I,which is annoying because like I
wish I was a total like cumchampion, you know.
But like I, I just can't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But to me I I tease and I say, well, hell, cum
champion, you know.
But like I just can't do it,well, to me, I tease and I say,
well, hell, the cum you know inher is made for me, you know,
it's made for a cook to eat, youknow, that's you know.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's cook lunch.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
It's a cook snack.
Yeah, it's a cook lunch.
It's a cook breakfast.
It's a cook, you know snack.
Whatever the heck you want tocall it, you know snack time.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
It really is.
Oh my God, no wonder I don'tlike it.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, you know, I mean you have.
The thing is, I think it's likeanything, you know you, your
first experiences probably setyou up for the future.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
So if you have a bad experience when you first tasted
it or first got to eat pussyfull of cum, whatever you know,
suck a dick and he comes in yourmouth, whatever it is If you
had a bad experience you're notprobably going to go forward
positively.
And you got you.
Even the people say, oh, let metry it a second time.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,can't do it, can't do it.
(27:40):
So if you had a good experience, which I did, I mean I've
always just, you know, loved it.
I mean it's like I don't knowwhat to.
I just love it.
You know there's no, I feel letdown if I can't participate in
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it.
Like my God, what are you doing?
You're in the bathtub, you'rewashing the.
Oh, my God, let me clean you upfirst.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Oh, that's so amazing .
See, I love cleanup.
I love the fact that, like theactual act of it, I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But part of the reason why I love it is because
it is kind of humiliating forthe cuck in my mind anyway To me
it's rewarding, yeah, but it'sa way for you to show your
dedication and sheer pleasurefor being with this person, for
(28:41):
being allowed to be with thisperson, and to me, if it's your
wife, then that's the ultimatething, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, absolutely, I 100% agree.
I wanted to ask you about thebisexual aspect of your
relationship or of you.
So, like, help me to understandthis.
Like, are you bisexual as faras?
Like, only in sexual service toa bull, or do you, like, are
you attracted to men or like,have you had relationships with
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men before?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
like, help me understand this okay, um, go way
back in life.
When I was young, I I wasfascinated with my own dick you
and every other guy yes well, Iwas gonna say, yeah, that's not
unusual.
But what was unusual was how Iwas fascinated with other guys'
(29:41):
dicks.
I would notice that I didn't.
Whenever I saw another guy'sdick it wasn't like ooh or you
know anything like that, it waslike holy crap, I want to see
that again.
You know, and I had these blackfriends and I'm fairly well
endowed.
I'm not a little guy.
I'll have to say that that waspart of one of the things my
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wife noticed about me when wequote first met.
You know that I was not little,so I always liked the fact that
I'm fairly thick and long andlarge and I always liked the
fact when I would put my ownhand around myself to masturbate
, jack off, whatever you want tocall it.
(30:23):
You know, I liked that feelingof that hot dick in your hand
and how the skin felt, the touchand all of that stuff, you know
.
And and then when you startedto shoot your cum, you know I
would, I would sample, likeholding my dick tight, loose,
how you know different ways, youknow to feel it, you know, and
(30:45):
you can feel the sperm pulsatethrough, boom, boom, you know,
and all of this.
So you know, I, I like, bathedmyself in this for years,
growing up as a kid and then asan adult the same thing.
So the first chance I ever hadI was with some black guys and
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they were with some girls thereand everybody was fucking and
everything.
And all of a sudden, you know,I just had an opportunity to put
my mouth on this big black cockthat had just come out of this
woman and he was all covered incum and everything you know, and
just kind of suck him off andlick him off, clean him off and
(31:29):
everything, and that was the endof that.
That's that.
But that began, that you know.
So then I would.
I was always interested in God.
Now, to me, though, personalitycomes first.
If a guy's got a great lookingcock, and he's good looking guy,
(31:50):
if he's got a crappypersonality, he's an asshole I'm
not going to be interested inhim, period, end of story.
And so it's personality first,you know.
And if the guy's into it youknow, some guys are into it and
not until my wife and I gotmarried and she, you know, she
(32:12):
knew of, you know, myinclinations right away, and she
kind of urged me to go ahead,you know, or she would, she
would with some black guys thatwere.
She would say, hey, so, and sois he's by, you know.
If you want to suck his dickafter he fucks me, go ahead, you
know.
Or or if you want to suck theirdick and get them hard before
(32:34):
they fuck me, go ahead, you knowso.
And that way I didn't have toask you know.
It was like she was like theinner intermediary that would go
hey, it's OK, do it, I do it,you know.
If you want to do it, do it,you know.
And she got.
She, she gets turned on by guys.
She, she likes to watch guystoo.
She likes to watch guys too,but she likes to watch guys
(32:58):
while something's happening toher.
She isn't the kind that's justgoing to sit down and watch guys
.
Do it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Okay, so she's got to be like getting fucked or her
pussy eat or something like that, right, right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And then she really gets off on it.
It's like that's cool, becauseusually after the guys do
something, then she might wantto get involved.
You know, in some way shape orform as a continuation of what's
going on.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Right, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay, so how did you meet this extraordinary woman?
I mean, this is what your guys'life looks like right now,
which is so, so interesting.
But how did you guys get?
Where did this start and howdid you get to where you are
right now?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
older than she is and I had some black friends that I
partied with and you know weshared some ladies with and
stuff.
And just one particular friendyou know I was a real close
friend he said, hey, I got this,I got this.
He called her a slut.
He said I got this slut thatwe're fucking, that you've got
to meet, because a lot of timeswe would talk about things you
know and I would talk about your.
(34:20):
You know your fantasy woman andyou know I'd like to have my
woman to be like this.
I, like you know, I'd like tofind a woman that did this or
was like.
And so one day, just out of theclear blue, he goes I got this
slut.
You really got to meet.
I said, ok, what's she like?
He said I'm not telling you,I'm not telling you, you just
got to meet her.
I don't want to put anything inyour head.
(34:41):
You got to come with me and youknow, said like what?
It was a Saturday or something.
I'm pretty sure it was aweekend, it may have been a
Friday night, but anyway.
So I go with him and we go tothis party house that some other
guys you know were at, and wego in and there is my future
(35:14):
wife on a bed spread as wide asyou can get, with this guy
fucking the hell out of her andfour or five other guys standing
around the bed talking you knowand like, and she's fucked some
of them, and some of them arewaiting to do her first time and
some of them are wanting moreto do her second time.
And I was like holy crap.
And so my friend he goes, yeah,yes, and he pushes a couple of
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guys out of the way and we walkright up to the edge of the bed
and she's being fucked and hereyes are glazed over but she
looks over and my friend goes,tells her name and said this is
blah, blah, blah and that's howwe were introduced.
She's still getting pounded andit's like she looks over and
they're like hello.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I'm sorry, I'm busy.
Oh my God, that's an amazingfirst impression.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So I was like oh my God, you know, you know, and so
that's the beginning of that.
I mean, so there was, thequestions were not the typical
kinds of questions, you know,once she was freed up and we
actually had a chance to talk,normally it's not the typical
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kind of oh, you meet somebody oryou're introduced by somebody
and you go on a first date andblah, blah, blah.
I mean it was just completelyupside down and backwards, you
know.
And we didn't even, we didn'teven fuck the first time.
What do you mean?
We didn't do anything.
I was so in shock I mean I just,I literally just watched her be
(36:50):
fucked for like hours until shefinally took a break, you know.
And then I was like so scaredto say anything to her Like, oh,
I want to.
I didn't want to say I want tofuck you, it was just like, oh
my God, All I did was sit thereand go like a blubbering idiot.
You are fucking amazing.
You are so fucking hot.
(37:10):
You are, you know, just like.
All of these things comespilling out of me because I
didn't know what else to say,you know.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Like, hey, what are you doing tomorrow?
You know, it's just all I coulddo was just be a complete ding
dong in front of her.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Well, obviously it worked out, but it sounds like
you guys have really, you know,grown and evolved over the years
.
Like what has inspired you todo that?
And have you made any decisionsover the years where you're
like, oh, that was, that didn'twork out, like that was not,
that didn't fit, that wasn't theright thing?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
well.
Well, once we kind of did alittle you know dating, so I'll
call it dating um and I got upthe courage to ask her to get
married and I was scared to evendo that and she was like okay.
(38:06):
And I was shocked.
So then it was like okay, nowthat she said yes, what do we do
next?
So then it was like okay, nowthat she said yes, what do we do
next?
So we had to start talkingabout, you know, what are we
going to do, you know.
And so for how are we going tolive, where are we going to live
(38:28):
?
That sort of thing.
And so I had this property andI said, hey, let's just build a
house, let's build somethingthat we can use and enjoy for
years to come.
And that's kind of what Istarted doing.
And while we were building, youknow, we rented for several
(38:50):
years and I did this slowly andshe gave her input on everything
you know design, how, what youwant on the interior, all this
kind of stuff.
You know we I mean, when we hadto make a decision about
something hell, it would take usmaybe a month we'd sit and talk
about it, you know, andeverything.
So it was like a love of laborto establish what we wanted, and
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then we just kept building itup and making it better and
everything.
But our conversations about thesexual dynamic of what we
wanted to do with our lives, shewasn't about to.
I mean, she told me when Iasked her to get married and she
said yes, she said, but thereare some conditions.
(39:38):
Number one I'm not going tostop fucking other guys, period.
So you need to know that.
And that's fine.
I didn't, you know, expect youto.
And so you know, when we gotall of the conditions out of the
way, that's fine, got all ofthe conditions out of the way,
that's fine.
Well, we just kind of did theswinging thing, because we knew
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some other couples we'd met,going to parties where there'd
be couples there, you know, andwe made some swinging friends
and everything.
And so it evolved.
It evolved and it evolved into,as I think, the whole black
superiority, black new worldorder, all of that kind of stuff
(40:24):
started coming about and youstarted seeing it in the porn
and all of that kind of thing.
So what you were doing was youwere adopting new vernacular to
some of the same things you werestill doing.
You know that you'd been doing.
You just had different ways totalk about it and it was
stimulating New stimulation youhave a new term for something
(40:48):
that can be a stimulant, no, andso we would meet other couples
that were like my wife, wholiked pretty much nothing but
black guys.
You know, what do you think ifwe just kind of go mostly for
black guys, you know, that'sfine with me.
(41:10):
You're the one that's makingthat choice.
I'm fine with whatever you knowyou want to do.
If the Martians come down hereand land in the backyard and you
want to fuck everybody on thespaceship, that's fine with me.
It doesn't make any difference,you know.
You know, whatever you want todo, you're the one.
My pleasure comes from seeingyour pleasure type of thing, you
know, and that gets reinforcedover time as you have
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experiences.
The female will recognize themale's excitement and
stimulation and she will knowokay, that really got him
excited.
I fucked two guys in front ofhim and he just went bonkers.
How about if I fuck three guys,or five guys, or nine guys?
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And so that's an evolutionaryprocess.
I think that pretty much allcouples go through in some way,
shape or form, no matter whattheir inclinations are Like ours
is interracial.
Even if you aren't interracial,you still have to go through
that kind of thing that youlearn from each other and once
you learn and you trust eachother, there's no lie.
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Nobody sneaks around.
We hate the word cheating.
I hate when people say cheat,because cheating is just like a
lying and so we don't do that.
You know, everything's got tobe open and above board, you
know.
So we just kind of advancedalong until we got to this point
(42:39):
of where, you know, we startedtalking about the owned aspect
and we talked about that forquite a while before, you know,
putting a definition that weboth felt comfortable with and
could wrap our heads and mindsaround and everything, and then
she said, yeah, let's do it.
(43:00):
You know.
So that kind of takes usthrough 20-some years, but you
know, there's a lot of things inbetween there, specifics, but
it's just an evolution, justevolved, just an evolution just
evolved.
Same way with my cuckoldnessand bisexuality evolved too.
(43:29):
So it started with just playingaround, but now it's a big part
of your cuckold identity, right,yeah, right.
But if nothing happens, if wehave a party, we have people
over and nothing happens, for me, in that regard I'm not
disappointed or anything.
Okay, If they denied meeverything for three weeks, four
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weeks, I would probably explode.
When they finally gave me achance to okay, you now can have
sex with your wife.
Hell, I would probably not last30 seconds.
I would be built up so muchthat it was like kaboom.
You know, but that's hard totell people how freaking
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fantastic that moment ofexplosion is.
And it lasts.
It can last 30 seconds.
I mean, it's almost like thisgiant high that you just can't
describe.
You know it's just kaboomLights flashing.
You know your head spinning,you know the feelings are
indescribable.
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I wanted to ask you there's a few other things I
want to ask you about, but sincewe're talking about this and
what it feels like for you, so Iwanted to ask you about, like,
what's, what do you get out ofthis dynamic?
Most Like what is in it for you, because a lot of people will,
people who don't understand thisdynamic, will think you know,
(45:01):
oh my God, like you're in, youlive poor, you, you live in this
house where you are at thebottom of the totem pole and you
know you have to ask permissionto go into the bedroom and like
, it seems so unfair.
So, for people who don'tunderstand it, what you?
How would you explain to this?
Like, what's, what do you getout of this?
(45:21):
What is this as a benefit foryou?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
okay.
Well, now that's a very goodpoint and I'm sure there's many,
many, many people have thatquestion, thought and whatnot?
Because I was so enamored withmy own damn dick when I was a
kid I'm still enamored with myown damn dick.
So you know, I can masturbatewatching them and and, and it
(45:49):
feels fantastic to me.
Now my thing is then I can tellmyself, and sometimes I get
told you can masturbate but youcan't ejaculate.
Okay, so you are gettingpleasure.
That is a pleasure that Iembrace personally.
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Now some guys may not get thatexcited, get that kind of
pleasure from just masturbatingand watching.
I can get that.
I know what's going to happenwhen I finally have a release of
some kind, and so it's achallenge for me, it's a turn on
for me, a self turn on for meto go.
Okay, I can be hard for hourswatching her and watching him.
(46:39):
Yeah, I'm not going to letmyself go because I'm saving
myself for when I finally amtold you now have permission to
have your wife.
So it's a feeling of contentment, of real joy, of satisfaction.
(47:01):
There's nothing like it.
I mean it's a huge love way.
I mean it really is.
I, since I don't do thehumiliation thing.
It's not a humiliation thing tome, it's a pure joy thing.
And I know that she knows thatand that the bull knows that.
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And they're into providing mewith what stimulates me.
As I'm providing them with whatstimulates them, my acceptance
of it is a providing them ofwhat they do, because I don't
have any stipulations on oh, youcan't fuck my wife, you know,
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on Wednesday, you know I want todo that, you know I let that be
set because I like those thingsset for me, because they
stimulate me.
You know they make me go crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Isn't that a form of humiliation though I know you
say you're not really into thehumiliation.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Well see, that's the thing I don't think it is.
Now, somebody that's intohumiliation might think that
that's humiliating To me, that'sstimulating to the point where
my masculinity isn't threatenedat all around these bulls.
It's not threatened at all,bulls, it's not threatened at
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all.
You know, if a bull tells me,get over here and suck my dick,
I'm like over there as fast asyou can get.
You know, and to me it's not.
It's, they know that that'swhat my serving them is a big,
big, huge turn on.
Okay.
So if I'm, if I'm like, if abull says, come over here and
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suck me off, I'm over theresucking him off.
I get hard as hell.
He might say don't you fuckingcome, just keep sucking my dick,
don't you suck, don't you come.
And he might say he might yellacross the room to two or three
other bulls saying look at thisson of a bitch, suck my dick.
You ought to try it, you know.
(49:08):
So that stimulates the hell outof me and I don't feel
emasculated, you know, by that.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
But I don't know that humiliation means emasculation
or degradation.
It just means fun.
It's like a mental striptease,it's like teasing right.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Exactly, exactly, yeah, and how you individually,
as an individual, take that intoyour own.
Stimulation is the difference,I think.
To me it's like a joy to me.
Whoopee, yeah, I love that shit.
Now another guy might go ohgosh, you know, that just makes
(49:46):
me cringe, but I'm going to doit and I love it, but it makes
me cringe.
I'm not that way, you know.
So there's different ways, youknow.
I mean, maybe, maybe you'reright, humiliation is got a huge
kind of a description to it, orif you want to think about it
that way, yeah, it sounds likethe angst.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
you don't get the angsty part, the cuck angsty
part, that kind of likeuncomfortable, like it's it's a
turn on, but it's uncomfortable.
It sounds like it's thoroughlya turn on for you, but it is
rooted in humiliation or teasing.
Okay, now I think I understandit.
This is so fascinating.
I love this way.
I love talking to cucks andgetting the cuck experience in
the perspective because, like,it seems like there's such a
(50:25):
range and it's just fascinatingto me how your mind works.
Like it's so cool.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Well, it's definitely something that I get.
If you put 10 Cucks in a roomand you had them all having this
same conversation, you're goingto get 10 different answers
about everything.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean there's a lot of commonthemes, but it's so varied.
Yeah, absolutely, I meanthere's a lot of common themes,
but it's so varied, which is sointeresting.
So I want to ask you, though,quickly, before I get to my next
question.
I just want to ask you quickly,your wife OK, so you guys have
evolved so much and you knowyou've gone down the black owned
road and the living bowl andstuff like that, and there's
this power totem pole andeverything like that Do you feel
(51:03):
like your wife has looked atyou?
Does she ever look at youdifferently?
Does she maybe not respect youas much as she used to, or
something?
Speaker 2 (51:11):
No, no, because this is a big fear that cucks have.
I know, I know I heard youmention that on some of your
podcasts.
Yeah, no, and I think thereason is because we both have
spent a lot of time over a lotof years having periodical
conversations about this andexpressing to each other our
(51:34):
sincerity about how the otherperson is treating the other
person, and that is.
There's no question aboutsomebody loving you.
You know, if there's acatastrophe, she's going to be
the first person there, period.
Same way, if there's acatastrophe, I'm going to be the
(51:55):
first person there.
She knows that.
We know we can count on eachother.
That's always there, period,end of story.
So that dedication came from thevery beginning, all the way
through, and it's one of thosethings that you just nurture and
grow it.
It's like growing a garden, youknow, and it just gets stronger
(52:18):
and stronger as you go along,because you're going to face all
sorts of medium-sized, littleand large things that are going
to happen.
That's just part of life.
That's going to test that, andwhen you have those tests and
you get through those tests, yousee that I can count on him.
(52:42):
He's, he's always going to bethere for me.
I can count on her.
She's always going to be therefor me.
I can count on her.
She's always going to be therefor me.
I'm not going to questionanything about her sexual likes
and everything.
That's what she wants, becausethat's what she loves, you know.
I mean she loves the person sheis, and she will tell you that
she can be that way because Iallow her to be that way and I
(53:05):
can say the same thing.
I couldn't be me without her.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
It is like a gift that you give each other.
I just love that so much.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
And it's not, it's typical.
You can find a married couplethat's not into swinging, not
into anything that's justtraditionally vanilla, and they
can say that very same thing,that's that trust and sincerity
and caring about each other.
So that's a thing that's got tobe there.
You don't even have to bemarried to have that, because we
(53:34):
have some couples that havebeen together for 12 or 20 years
, that aren't married, butthey've been together, but they
have that thing that cementstheir souls together, right,
right.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Okay, I want to ask you about the relationship
between your live-in bull andyour wife.
Is it like a love feelings,romantic relationship, or is
this just like a roommate kindof situation?
Speaker 2 (54:03):
It's a combination of both.
It's an interweaving of both.
Think about a garment that'scrocheted.
It's how it's put together,it's got both in there.
It's a thing that her and I,when we talked about this
concept of ownership, ofownership what she felt that
(54:26):
ownership was was turning do andthat she would basically not
have any say.
He could say I want you to comeover here and do this, I want
you to do that, and she'd justdo it.
(54:55):
So in the years that they'vebeen there, he's been there and
they've been developing this, weall three have been developing
this.
It's a combination of, like avisual, romantic sort of thing,
like dating, romantic-like.
New people can come that wedon't know, and when we get
(55:28):
introduced, you know, she mightsay to her in front of these
people well, this is my man, andshe will point, you know, or
put her arm around her bull.
Then she would go now, but thisis my husband over here, and
then I would come, you know, soshe has this here, and then I
will come, you know, so she hasthis, we have this language, you
(55:48):
know, oh, and that, and thatdifferentiates the thing.
You know, this is my husband,my husband is always my husband,
this is my man, though and isthis live-in bull that you guys
have?
Speaker 1 (56:02):
is he content with the situation?
Like he is not looking for awife one day.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Oh no, he's fine because, number one, he had been
married once.
It didn't last very long andhe's not younger than her or
anything like that.
We're all in the same age range.
So, no matter of fact, when hewas asked, do you want to like
(56:32):
live with us?
He was like ecstatic.
You know.
He thought hell, yeah, yeah,this is great.
You know, and you know.
And the financial aspects youknow.
And the financial aspects is hecontributes and that's all that
we ever wanted.
I'm not going to put anyamounts in, but he contributes.
(56:55):
So food and everything,utilities, all that kind of he
contributes with things, becausehe would have been paying rent,
absorbent rent in anotherapartment for four or five years
and all he would be doing wascoming over and seeing us on a
weekend or something.
This way he's there all thetime.
So it changed everything, itelevated everything, it made
(57:18):
everything more happy.
I like to say it makes us allhappy, you know, because it's an
interaction that once we satdown at a table and came up with
rules and this process took alittle while it wasn't like, oh,
let's sit down with a clipboardand we're going to come up with
some rules tonight, and that'sthe way it's going to be.
(57:40):
We had deep discussions aboutthese things, right, and because
every rule had to have.
Why do we have this rule?
It has some kind of dynamicthat is a positive stimulant and
turn on for us you have toenjoy it.
(58:01):
Right, it can't just be a rule,Just, you know.
Saying it all, there's a threeway mutual situation here.
So you know, once you establishthose things, they work.
They can work wonders.
You know, you got to have rules.
If you don't have rules, yougot chaos.
You know nothing works in chaos.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Yeah, and I can assume that and I say I've
always felt this way.
When people ask me, like do Iwant to have like a relationship
, like a romantic relationshipwith a bull and stuff like that,
I would always assume that likethese, like three-way
relationships, just require alot more, uh, careful
coordination, a lot of checkingin, a lot of um.
(58:42):
There's a lot of moving partsthat you have to balance and
figure out along the way, and Ijust thought it seemed like
maybe a bit more work than justregular, like a regular
relationship, um.
So it sounds like you guys havetaken a lot of great care and
attention to sit down and reallytalk things out, and the time
that you've taken, um to makesure that everything is working
(59:02):
okay and adjusting things likethat.
So it seems like really likeit's worked for you guys.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Well, yeah, and you, I mean you have to do that, you
just have to um it.
To me, it's not not anydifferent than as a couple.
You just sat down and you gotto have rules and you got to
have coordination there.
For the third person, isn'tthat more?
Isn't that much more difficult?
(59:28):
Not in a lifestyle settingsituation like this, because we
all have schedules we have towork with and we already had
been playing together for a longtime, so we knew him quite well
and he wasn't the kind that Imean, he loved us.
You know, and it still does.
You know, he, he, he liked usas people, period.
(59:50):
Take the sex away, take thataway.
As people, we like each other.
That's the main thing.
When I said earlier that youhave the character and
everything of the person, youhave to like that.
You have to be into that,because you can find people that
would go, hey, yeah, I'd loveto do that, but they don't have
the character and thepersonality to fit into that
(01:00:12):
place.
Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Does your wife consider herself a queen of
spades?
Does she identify with thatlabel?
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
But she doesn't have tattoos or anything.
You know, she'll wear thelittle temporary things and
stuff because we have parties.
We have parties a lot, becausewe have a big swimming pool, a
big cabana that's out, and Imean a big swimming pool Like
(01:00:42):
you could maybe see that kind ofsize pool in a city park for
kids.
It's really big.
I mean, we can host 35, 40people, and we have this big
cabana and we have this gigantic12-person hot tub.
Then we have another likesix-person hot tub.
That's on the back porch,because we built a house where
(01:01:06):
all of the pool and all of thatstuff's on the east side, on the
backside of the house.
It faces the sunset.
It's a huge, long porch, runsthe whole way of the house, so
you can sit out there and watch,and then there's a little lake
down below too, so we get towatch the sunset every night,
you know.
And so we got a porch there andwe got a hot tub there too.
(01:01:27):
It's a six-person one, you knowso, and it's three stories and
one story is just bedrooms andplay big, huge playroom.
But it also has a small littlekitchenette area, you know, down
there, with refrigerators andstuff, you know, so you can keep
all your beverages and thingsdown there.
And it has a couple ofdifferent bathrooms down there,
(01:01:49):
because when you have a largeparty you got to have bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
You can't have just one bathroom.
It does not work.
So downstairs in the party room, we actually have four
full-size baths with showers,and because people get sloppy
enough that they want to take ashower, you know, I mean,
because a lot of times in likethis time of the year during the
summer, we'll have partiesoutside, people will be fucking
outside and they'll want to goin and clean up because I mean,
(01:02:15):
they're, they're a sweaty mess,forget to come and all that
stuff.
They're sweating, you know, andthey need to go in and take a
shower, you know, or they wantto, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
So you know yeah, wow , it sounds like you're living
your best cuck boy life,honestly, yeah yeah, and you
know the term cuck boy.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
You know, one of the reasons that I joined your site
is because, as I would listen toyour podcasts and everything, I
would think you know there'smore to this than is being
talked about or being said.
So I said I need to join thesite and I was kind of a little
shy because I didn't know whatthe first thing to do.
(01:02:57):
So I kind of did theintroduction there and then
waited to see some of the thingsthat were said and tried to
chime in with some stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
And you know, so I'm still that's still a work in
progress- but it's that yourstory is really amazing and I
think that it's inspirational onso many levels because you are,
like I said, you live in yourbest cuck boy life and you're it
sounds like you and your wifeand your living bull are just
(01:03:27):
really fucking enjoying yourlife right now and that you've
got to a point where everyonehas so much joy together,
creating so much joy togetherand just like this is a very
fulfilling situation and dynamicthat you have in these
experiences that you're having,like I have so much jealousy
right now.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Oh no, don't be jealous.
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
No, in a good way.
I'm like I need okay, I'mmaking a list I need a house
like that, four fuckingbathrooms with the playroom.
I need a big ass pool.
I need all of this shit, okayMaking a list over here.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Well, you got to have the cabana.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Don't forget the cabana, because you got to get
when you get out.
You can't be in the sun all day.
You got to have the shade outthere by the pool, that's right.
So I'm over here fucking makinga list because this is amazing,
um, but it's going to beinspirational for a lot of
people because, especially, um,for guys who really fantasize
about the live in bull situationor the bisexual cuck situation
or whatever, like all of thesedifferent aspects of this
dynamic.
People fantasize a lot aboutthis.
Very few, actually, that I knowof that have made it happen for
(01:04:33):
real.
You're one of them.
But I do come across guys who,like, feel like this is what
they want, and so they'relooking for a woman who will
sign up for exactly what youhave, almost exactly like what
you have right now, thesituation that you have right
now.
Do you think that this is it isrealistic for guys to be able
to like, almost like, shop for acurated cuck relationship like
(01:04:56):
the one you have, or is thissomething that?
Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I think that it's possible if you're on a some
kind of site, like we when yearsago we used to use adult friend
finder.
If you're on some kind of site,like we when years ago we used
to use adult friend finder, ifyou're on some kind of site and
you are very specific about whatyou're looking for and you and
you then it's a matter of look.
If somebody comes across youand you are able to talk with
(01:05:20):
them and I don't know how youwould do it, like just meeting
somebody in public, you know forthe first time.
First of all, how in hell doyou let them know what you're
interested in?
You know?
So, I think it's possible, butyou can't force it to happen,
you can't make it happen.
(01:05:41):
I got lucky, that's all I cansay and that's all I tell guys.
I got lucky.
Yeah.
How many guys walk in with yourbuddy?
You're single, your future wife.
The first time you see her, herlegs are spread open and she's
having the hell fucked out ofher, and by a black guy, and
(01:06:02):
there's four or five standingaround her waiting to fuck her
or are they?
already fucked her.
I didn't know at that point.
You know, and I mean, even whenI talk about it today, it's
like your mouth drops open andyou go.
Well, how do you describe this?
You know, this is like crazy,you know.
But I have talked to guys.
(01:06:24):
We have a couple we know andthey met at a swingers swingers
kind of party thing where theywent to one of those hedonism
things down in the.
Bahamas or something like that.
Yeah, and they met and theywere both married to different
people at the time, but they metand they they their partners.
(01:06:46):
They ended up getting divorcedand they remembered each other
and they contacted each otherand they got together and they'd
been together for like 15 yearsand they were having a great,
swinging, cuckold life situation.
So you never know how this isgoing to happen and you can't
(01:07:07):
force it.
All you can do is takeadvantage of.
Maybe here's what I always tellpeople a wise person makes more
opportunities than they find.
So you have to make youropportunities.
What are those?
Well, join some sites, adultfriend finders, some of these
specialty sites.
State what you're looking for,be specific.
(01:07:30):
Don't cheat on what you say.
Put everything out there infront and wait and see.
It's kind of like fishing.
You got the right bait, youmight catch a fish.
There's no guarantee but you'recertainly not going to catch
that fish if you don't get thefishing pole, get the line, get
the bait, go out to the placeand drop the line in.
(01:07:50):
You got to do those things.
Yeah, yeah, agreed, and youknow it's not going to, it's not
going to find itself for you.
Yeah, and when guys say, well,I'm just too shy for that.
Well, that's fine, I'll tellyou.
A lot of guys have fantasies andthat's all they're ever going
to have is a fantasy For us.
(01:08:12):
If you ask me what's my fantasy, I don't.
I can tell you what I love, butI think most of the things that
are fantasies are things we do.
You know, things we do.
My wife has made a commentbefore when people ask her about
fantasies and she'll say I onlyhave one fantasy, she says I
want to eat Katy Perry's pussywhile Snoop Dogg fucks me doggy.
(01:08:34):
So she knows that's never goingto happen, but that's because
that's a fantasy.
But she says it's a greatfantasy.
Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
That's funny.
Your wife sounds amazing andyou're right, you did get lucky
Like.
I can't even believe the storyabout how you guys met.
That is so fantastic.
It sounds like she is just theright person for you and you
guys were really fortunate to beable to meet each other and
connect like that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
It is A lot of.
It is pure luck, being in theright place at the right time
and that sort of thing.
But you can kind of fudge.
Like I said, if you putyourself out there on some of
these sites and you say exactlywhat you're looking for and
you're honest about that andpeople contact you and talk to
you, you might meet somebodythat way.
(01:09:27):
You're certainly not going tomeet anybody if you don't do
something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
That's right.
Yeah, absolutely Okay.
We have run out of time, whichis unfortunate because I still
have all of these questions Iwanted to ask you.
However.
Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
We'll have to do it again.
Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
We'll have to do it again.
And for those of you who arelooking to connect with Cuckboy
Chaz, he is in the QueensQuarters community.
That's a free community.
If you want to join, you can goto venuscuckledresscom or the
link is in the show notes fortoday and you can see where he
has posted his introduction postin the thread in the Q&A.
(01:10:04):
I think it's in the Q&A thread.
Anyway, it's in the feedsomewhere.
Um, but we are going to do alive meetup event, a live event
together, myself and CuckboyChaz.
We're going to be talking aboutthis episode and expanding on
on some things that we've talkedabout and also going over some
things that we didn't get achance to cover.
(01:10:24):
So make sure you join theQueens Quarters community, if
you haven't already, and thenkeep an eye out for that event.
We will post the day and timein there and those are a lot of
fun because as a member of thecommunity, you can actually join
that live event and you can askquestions, you can interact and
you can.
It's just a lot of fun.
(01:10:46):
So, kakboi Chaz, thank you somuch for being on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Thank you, my thanks go to you.
Podcast Venus has ever done isvery enlightening, informative
and just absolutely fuckingfantastic, and you're not going
(01:11:12):
to find a woman in the worldthat's any more supportive of
this lifestyle outside of mywife than Venus is, and so you
just need to.
You need to listen toeverything she's got to say.
Just worship her like shedeserves.
She's amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Damn right.
So those are your instructionboys, whoever's listening right
now.
You got to go back and you gotto listen from episode one all
the way to this one.
That's right and then commenton it in the Queens Corners
community.
Absolutely, that's yourhallmark.
Thank you so much for showing,sharing your story.
I think it's so inspirationaland it's so unique and so
(01:11:56):
amazing, and I've just learned alot from you today.
So thank you for being on.
Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Oh, you're welcome.
Thank you for having having methanks for joining me today.
Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Make sure you go to venuscuckledresscom.
That's where you can bookaprivate chat with me, you can
check out any cuckolding eventsthat might be happening, and you
can even ask a question for theshow, as well as, of course,
join the queen's quarters fanclub and get all the benefits
for that.
You can also also follow me onInstagram, the Venus Kuckledrist
(01:12:27):
podcast.
I haven't been banned there.
Well, I have, but not recently.
You can also follow me onTwitter, or whatever the fuck
you want to call it.
My handle is at Kuckledrist V.
That's it for today.
We'll see you next time.
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