May 10, 2025 • 70 mins
Emma joins the show to share the story of her cuckolding marriage.
"We are a married couple in our late thirties, and we have an active cuckolding relationship with sissy dynamic. We have also had a pussy free marriage ever since we got married a few years ago. Ever since we met five years ago, we started talking about cuckolding. The concept was very familiar to him, and I realized immediately after looking into it that this may have been what I've hoped for my entire life. It only took a few months after I had my first hot date with my first lover (who just happened to be black). It has since evolved into an inseparable and loving part of our relationship. Scary and unknown at first, but with open communication we very quickly realized that this was perfect for us. I always play alone, and have through experience found my love for black men. I think a key lesson has been that even a very regular couple (on the surface) can be like this and do some quite wild and unconventional things while being very balanced, truly happy, and in a sustainable cuckolding relationship without it feeling like something from a porn fantasy."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Venus Cuckoldress podcast, a place to
learn all things cuckolding forthe curious, for the passionate
and for the sexually empoweredwoman who wants it all.
Let's go.
(00:32):
Welcome to the show everyone.
I'm your host, venus, thanksfor joining me today.
And today I have such a greatstory.
Emma's on the show.
She's going to share her storyabout their cuckold, pussy free
marriage, pussy free as of theirwedding day.
She pegged him on their weddingnight and then ever since then
he's been pussy-free.
(00:53):
And I know that a lot ofcouples actually most couples
that I've come across in thislifestyle who enjoy cuckolding,
are not pussy-free, meaning thatthere is no sexual denial
between wife and husband orpartner and partner, and and so
it's usually just, you know, afun cuckolding is a fun little
thing that they use to kind ofspice things up in the bedroom.
(01:15):
But for some couples they dowant to go down this road of
sexual denial and like I get it.
I understand for many reasons Iget that why that can be such a
strong desire for couples.
For a lot of the times it'sjust a lot less pressure for the
(01:35):
husband to perform sexually andhe appreciates that part of it.
But also some guys reallyhonestly think that.
Or they feel like being pussyfree and giving their wife this
gift of you know, sex with otherguys is very much like a form
of devotion to her or a sense ofdevotion to her.
(01:56):
So I get that.
And then there's other people,you know, when they're in just
like a power dynamic, and thisis all part of that.
This is the part that's thequote, unquote, unfairness of it
all.
So I get it.
There's a lot of reasons whypeople want to do the pussy free
thing.
There's a lot of guysfantasizing about the pussy free
thing.
If that's what gets you off,you're going to love this
(02:18):
episode because she talks aboutwhat it's actually like for her
and why they love it and why itworks for them.
But first, events I recentlywent to Europe to do a couple of
meet and greets events withfans and I put it out there that
on these couple of days I wouldbe in these different places
(02:43):
and at these times and you knowit was open to anybody to come
and say hello, to meet me, tocheers for a drink or whatever,
and and that's, it was going tobe like a casual, fun meeting
Great thing.
One of them was in Dublin.
One of them was in London andthey were a lot of fun.
Ok, dublin was a mix of, likecouples and singles, and lots of
(03:04):
my helpful cucks came in fromall different parts of the world
actually uh, to to hang out andspend some time with me while I
was there in Dublin, and it wasawesome.
It was so fun.
The meet and greet was great.
I got to meet some couples andsingles and, um, and they were
able to, you know, tell me abouttheir stories and stuff like
(03:25):
that, and I loved it.
Okay, for those of you who arelistening who got to meet me in
Dublin, that was so much fun.
So thank you so much for comingout to that.
Dublin was my favorite city ofall the cities I went to.
It was just such a vibe.
I love it there.
I definitely want to go back toIreland and spend like at least
(03:45):
a week exploring, because fourdays was not enough, but it was
so great to spend some time withmy helpful cucks.
There was four of them who wentout and spontaneously decided
that they were all the next daygoing to go out and get owl
tattoos and, for those of youwho have not heard, this is the
(04:06):
new symbol for Cucks is the owl.
And why the owl, you ask?
Well, because owls are alwayswatching, and always watching in
the night.
So we thought I thought thiswould be a great symbol for
Cucks.
And so, anyway, they all wentout and got owl tattoos and
matching owl tattoos.
(04:27):
So they all agreed on onedesign.
It's a really nice blacksilhouette of an owl and they
each got it on different partsof their bodies, and for two of
them it was the very firsttattoo that they'd ever gotten
and it was just awesome.
They all went to the sametattoo parlor, got it all done
all at the same time, and I wasjust thrilled because it turned
(04:50):
out it's so well and I was justlike so happy that they all went
and did this.
So thank you to all my helpfulcucks out there who got owl
tattoos.
That was awesome.
And then London the London meetand greet was at this really
cool kind of like loungy pubkind of place and they set aside
(05:11):
like a meeting room not ameeting room but a space for me
to have my meet and greet there,which was pretty cool, and
there were lots of people thatcame.
It was a kind of a mix ofcouples, singles and bulls and
my helpful cucks, and so it wasso fun.
It was such a fun vibe, likeeverybody was just kind of
mingling and having a great timeand talking to each other and I
(05:35):
got to meet everybody and itwas just it was, it was awesome,
it was we were there for a fewhours, like it was great, but at
the very end well, the end forme everybody went out after this
together.
But anyway, the end for me itwas kind of fucking crazy and I
have decided that from now on,unfortunately, if I ever do any
(05:57):
kind of event like this again,that I need to hire a security
guard or a team of securityguards, because it was actually
really quite scary what happened.
But I was just sitting therehaving a great time on the
outdoor area.
I was sitting there with one ofmy fans from the show and we
(06:19):
were just having a conversationand all of a sudden this fucking
weird ass guy walked in,immediately, sat down right
across from me and there wasnobody else out there and he
stared at me.
And I mean, when I might, whenI say stared at me, this guy
would not take his eyes off ofme and he looked like he wanted
(06:43):
to rape and kill me.
It was the most uncomfortablestare.
I immediately was like what thefuck is up with this guy?
I'm looking over and I'mlooking.
I'm what the fuck?
I was wearing a dress and hewas like staring at my crotch
and it was so scary for me.
I was just like I said to theguy I was talking to.
(07:05):
I said I need to go insidebecause this guy's making me
really uncomfortable.
And as soon as I went and satinside and I started talking to
the other people from my group,I said this guy outside is
really weird.
He's staring at me strange andmaking me feel very
uncomfortable.
And they were like what, what?
And then, as I was saying that,this creepy stalker dude from
(07:27):
outside, we started looking inthe window, looking for me,
looking, trying to find where Iwent, and that's when I was like
really started to panic.
I'm like, oh my god, who isthis fucking creep and why is he
here and why is he like lockedin on me, like I felt like prey.
It was so fucking scary.
Anyway, all of the people who Iwas with my group of fans were
(07:49):
so amazing because theyimmediately were like okay,
we'll take care of this.
We're going to go and talk tothis guy and ask him to leave,
and so they did that andeventually he did leave.
But then he came back and waslike following me with his eyes
all around the whole venue and Iwas so fucking freaked out
(08:11):
because I was like, all right,this guy's a full-on stalker.
Like this guy wants to kill me.
I was so fucking scared, I waslike shaking.
I don't know.
For a lot of you guys listening, because it's mostly guys
listening to this podcast youprobably don't know what this
feels like.
But for any of the ladies whoprobably don't know what this
feels like but for any of theladies who are listening, you
know what this feels like whenyou get really scared by a man
who's fucking crazy and wants tokill you or acts like he wants
(08:41):
to kill you.
This is absolutely terrifying.
And Iuck, who took this guy outof the building down around the
corner and basically liketurned the guy around so that he
could not see me as I ran outof there and into an Uber to get
the fuck out.
So thank you to Sergio forhelping me escape a very awful
(09:06):
situation and from now on I'mabsolutely going to have an
entourage of security team,unfortunately, so that part
sucked, but otherwise everythingwas incredible.
After that I did go to Paris.
Paris is outstandingly,unbelievably, romantically
beautiful.
I have never seen so manybeautiful buildings in my life,
(09:29):
but a weird vibe and just likemobbed by tourists.
So I don't know.
It was a cool place to go andvisit once, but I'm not sure I
want to go back.
But London and Dublin werefucking amazing.
I would absolutely love to goback and explore some more
amazing.
I would absolutely love to goback and explore some more.
So that was.
That's the update regarding thecrazy ass fucking stalker and
(09:50):
the amazing, really great meetand greats that I went to.
So I'm slowly recovering fromjet lag and I'm back in the
swing of things.
So that's it for.
Oh wait, there is one moreannouncement.
Actually, um, becca and Drewthey were on the show about a
month ago and shared their superhot stories of their marriage,
(10:10):
their cuckolding marriage.
Okay, it was so hot, likeinsanely hot, so hot indeed,
that YouTube even though I onlypublished the audio version of
that episode, I didn't evenpublish the video one yet and
they took it down and they put astrike on my account and
warning.
They were like that you can'tdo that.
(10:31):
Like you know, you're introuble.
And so anybody listening tothis right now if you are like,
well, what episode?
If you listen to my show onYouTube, you know what episode
are you talking about.
It's because it got taken down,so listen to it on Spotify or
Apple.
It's there.
And, anyway, becca and Drew aregoing to join myself and Doc
Chocolate for the next PillowTalk event, which is a live
(10:53):
event and it's free to attend,and if you want to check it out,
the link is in the show notes.
It's going to be Friday, May16th, at 12 pm Pacific that's 3
pm Eastern and it is live.
So you got to catch it live.
But, yeah, they're going to bethere.
So if you have some questionsor comments about them or their
marriage or the show that theydid, make sure that you join us
(11:16):
for that pillow talk on May 16th.
Okay, that's it forannouncements and news and all
that good stuff.
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Okay, joining me on the show?
I have a special guest.
Her name's Emma.
She's joining me all the wayfrom Europe.
I'm excited for you to shareyour story.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Say hello to all the listeners, emma Hi everyone Very
excited to be here and hoping Ican share some insights with
you.
Great, let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, so we came across each other online and I
am thrilled to have you shareyour story, because the
beginning part is somewhatsimilar to like how I was
introduced to cuckolding.
I met my first cuck boyfriendon Tinder of all places, and I
(13:25):
understand that that's where youmet your husband as well, so
tell us about how that allhappened?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yes, so we did meet on Tinder.
We did share some historytogether, so we were not
completely unknowns to eachother, so that may have helped a
little bit.
But yes, we did meet on Tinder.
We had a, had a great firstdate, um, and actually quite
quickly after the first date,the first first indications uh
(13:55):
came from him that he actuallymight be into uh, cuckolding a
little bit.
And, um, he asked me if theterm was term was something I
was familiar with.
And surprise, surprise, I wasactually quite excited myself to
hear that.
So that's how we did start.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So how soon did he bring it up?
And how like?
How is that how he said it?
Like, oh, have you heard ofcuckolding?
Do you know what that is?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, that was.
You know, that came after a bitof discussion about you know,
preferences and stuff like that,but we were quite comfortable
with each other from the verybeginning.
So, okay, it was actually quitequick and it felt it resonated
with me quite well.
Um, my history had been suchthat I was always in the kinds
(14:43):
of slightly very traditionalrelationships and and did not
have a lot of this.
This freedom or like openrelationships were never
discussed or sexuality was notvery out there.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So it was something that was very very interesting
to me to hear that he had theseideas.
Okay, and so you didn't knowthat this kind of relationship
existed before that?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I, I kind of did, but so the term was, was, was
familiar to me, but I did domention.
Do mention that I did have toGoogle it first, just to make
sure that I was really.
You know, I had the right idea,which I did.
But yes, that's how it actuallystarted.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Oh no, you Googled it .
Oh God, I could just imaginewhat showed up.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But he knows it, and I was just making sure that I
was making a fool out of myself.
So I didn't want to say yes tosomething that I was thinking to
be, mistakenly, somethingcompletely different.
So I wanted to make sure thatthat was actually what I thought
it was and, yes, I was correct.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Okay.
So he brought up the word, youGoogled it and you were like
okay, but you said before thislike open relationships and
sexuality was just like.
It was just not like a thing inrelationships before that.
So how come?
You were open to it.
How come you were not one ofthose many women who were like,
oh hell, no, that sounds weird.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, I have always been very sexual myself and I've
been very interested in allsorts of things throughout my
life, from a very young age, andso I always did feel a little
bit like something or a big partof me was invisible when I was
in these very, very normal, veryvanilla relationships where you
(16:31):
know, you don't talk about sexand it happens once a week,
right On a Saturday with, youknow, with the lights out.
So for me it was.
I was that kind of personalways and I was actually even
during my previous relationshipI was thinking that you know,
maybe I want an openrelationship, maybe that's
something I want.
I have always been maybe notthe best girlfriend in in the
(16:55):
general sense of the term, so Ihave been been the asshole at
times.
You know some history of ofbeing unfaithful and I didn't
quite realize that maybe thatwas just me acting out, that any
the normal way of being wasnecessarily not for me.
Yeah, but I just didn't knowhow to, how to think about that,
(17:15):
because when you grow up in a,in a circle but that's very,
quite conservative, quite, youknow, traditional you're not
supposed to be that woman.
Yeah, it's.
It's hard to give yourself thepermission to even think about
that?
That you know.
Could you're not supposed to bethat woman?
Yeah, it's, it's hard to giveyourself the permission to even
think about that.
That you know.
Could I, yeah, maybe live thislife, um?
So yes, and I'm not proud ofthose years, but I am proud of
(17:36):
the person I am today, that Iactually dare to say yes to this
, and now I feel like I'm, youknow, know, being myself.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yes, oh my God, I can relate so much.
I cheated on every boyfriendthere ever was and I couldn't
help it.
I was just like that.
I just I don't know.
I went out.
I was left feeling like what'swrong with me, why can't I, why
can't I do what I need to do,you know?
And like I just, oh my God.
So I was the same way when Ifelt, when I found cuckolding, I
(18:06):
was like, oh, this is perfectfor me, yes, and and that's
pretty much how I felt.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So I was like, hey, this is perfect for me, yeah,
okay.
So I don't think I was thatperson that would have wanted
just an open relationship toboth of us.
I think I needed there to besomething more to it, like more,
something more sexual.
I always wanted to commit toone person.
I didn't necessarily want thewhole, you know, let's just be
(18:29):
open, both of us to datingwhoever we want.
Yeah, not so much to dating.
More about the sex and thatside of things.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So okay, and then how did it happen, or how did it
evolve from there?
So he told you about it.
You were open-minded to it andyou were like, okay, I'm willing
to give this a try.
Was it just a talking about it,sharing fantasies and then
eventually trying something?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yes, so we started out by just talking about it
quite a bit.
Um, obviously, talking about,like, our previous relationships
, previous experiences, was abig part of it.
Um, so, not so much fantasizingabout what would happen in the
future, but just for me to beable to share what I've done
before was a huge thing.
Um, because normally that's notthe type of thing that guys
(19:22):
necessarily want to listen orhear if, if they've been you
know wild, wilder or you knowmore than they can handle.
But we spoke about that quite abit.
Obviously, it took a while.
I was scared as well.
It was not normal for me to bevery in love, very in the, you
know, first stages of dating andyou know, you're all about that
(19:42):
.
One person then thinking youknow, can I actually have sex
with another person?
Yeah, or that, you know, if Ido it, will I, if he's not ready
for it, will this destroyeverything that we have?
Like, even if he brought it up,what if he's not ready for it?
So if after the firstexperience, he's like, well, no,
this doesn't feel good, Iactually want to break up with
(20:05):
you, that was like my worst fear.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, Very, very legitimate fears, by the way,
because, let's face it, this isa very emotional.
This can be very emotionallytaxing for the, for everyone
involved, but especially for him, but especially for him.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So and I think, as we didn't have like the background
of you know, you know, 10 yearsmarried, you know kids, where
you kind of might know alreadythat well, even just for the
kids he wouldn't leave Right.
But we were just like you know,freshly dating and very, you
know, old Tyle, in that sensethat you know it was all very
new and both of our insecuritiescame up, and so it was, it was
(20:45):
a fear, but yeah, yeah, yeah so,um, eventually you guys decided
to that you wanted to do this,and what was like the first kind
of step towards that?
um, well, we did.
Well, the first step was thatwe did speak about it a lot and
(21:07):
we actually even drafted likethis, this paper of like what we
promised to do if we go furtherwith this, so that you know, we
promised to, you know, talkabout things, and and so we kind
of laid it out that you knowwhat was, what would be the
rules, what would would you knowhow we?
would promise to to treat eachother how we would promise to
(21:30):
you know, so that we were reallyprepared to you know to
actually do it.
And then I went on Tinder thatwas what we figured out was the
like the easiest way of doing it.
There's not a lot of like veryspecific dating apps for this
kind of thing.
Um, yeah, and, and that wouldhave been even, I think, more
(21:53):
daunting, because then thatwould have usually they're like
very fetish or kink oriented.
So we didn't want to do that,so I just went on tinder and
swiped away for a little whileand then we found someone that
seemed like a good one, andthat's how I started.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I had this very similar to what I did too.
I had and I had pretty goodsuccess with Tinder.
I found that, like once I justflat out explained you know, I'm
just looking for friends withbenefits, I'm with I.
You know, I'm just looking forfriends with benefits, I'm with
I.
You know, I'm in a relationship.
Guys were like okay, cool, likeyeah yeah, the same here.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
So I did not pretend I was single, um, but no, um, so
it was.
But we didn't mention the wordcuckolding necessarily in the
beginning, because that's still,I think it kind of comes with a
stigma of a sort that you know,some guys might just take it
the wrong way.
Yeah, because even in our caseit was me just going on a date
with the guy and then we didn'teven really talk about it much
(22:57):
afterwards, I mean, or that wasnot the point point of it, so it
wasn't like, you know, sharingevery detail of him to my
husband or my current husband.
So, um, we didn't mention that,but he knew that I was, I was
in a relationship and he wastotally, or that he knew that my
husband was completely finewith it and, um, yeah, I knew
(23:18):
that I was mainly just, you know, looking for for sex or
friendship benefits instead oflike anything more serious.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So so you were looking for the guys um and yeah
, and was your husband involvedat like, helping you choose
these guys or no?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Not really.
No, I mean he was there as anemotional support, but like he
didn't have any any say, or hedidn't want to have any say as
to, you know, who would be okay,who would not be okay, for
example.
So, and there was quite, aquite a long period when he
didn't really even want to likeknow what they, what the guys
(23:59):
looked like, or or too manydetails about them.
I think he wanted me to havelike this kind of space where,
where I could make my owndecisions and he didn't want to,
you know, have an effect on whowould I, you know, pick or
Really, oh, that's, that's great.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
That's not typical.
Usually cucks are like littlemini Steven Spielbergs.
They want to be all up in thescript.
They want to be all up in thechoosing the who's going to be
involved and what they look likeand sound like and how big
their dick is.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, but in the beginning we, we, we didn't have
that at all.
I mean, we don't either now.
But now it nowadays, I mean hehas met, met those people.
You know they've shook handsand you know they've, you know,
said hi to each other.
So it's a bit different.
But uh, in the beginning he, hewanted to kind of stay out of
it for me, which was was, Ithink, very nice, because it
didn't it also didn't put meunder any pressure to to choose
(25:00):
guys that were, you know, morehis type than mine, for example,
or Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, I could imagine that that makes it feel less
performative for the fantasy andmore doing it for your own
pleasure and that's big.
So for anybody listening, thatis big.
For women, I think that'sthat's a lot.
I mean, there are women outthere who are just going to be
like yes, I really want, I don'twant to have to find these guys
(25:30):
.
Yes, you can do that, like,offload those tasks, delegate
those tasks to your husband andhe could do it for you and
whatever.
I get that.
But if you want to have moresay and more ability to choose,
then that's amazing.
That's awesome.
There can be a big benefit tothat.
So what happened when you okay,you found a guy on Tinder, you
(25:54):
really liked him and then youmade plans to hook up.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, so basically yes.
So it was always in the in thebooks that you know, if
everything goes well, we willend up having sex, um, but it
was.
It was the first time for himas well, so, despite him kind of
always knowing that this is histhing, so from an early, early
(26:23):
age he didn't know that this wassomething that he thought about
a lot and, um, he really wanted, wanted this, and, but it was
still the first time that youknow in an adult relationship
that he's done this.
So it was.
It was scary, um, and it wasactually quite.
For me, it was, in the end,quite easy.
I realized while I was on thatdate that I can do this and that
(26:49):
I am exactly what I thought Iwould be, so quite detached from
sex and a good wife so that Ican just enjoy it, have fun, and
it doesn't destroy my feelingsor cause any issues if I'm very
(27:09):
much in love, like I was and Istill am.
But for him it was a slightlydifferent experience.
So it was different than heexpected.
It wasn't like a constant hardon and being super aroused when
I was on the date.
It was actually quite theopposite.
He was quite scared, quite notthere the whole thing.
(27:36):
You know the way that we aredoing it, that he doesn't have
to be aroused whenever I see aguy, or it's not about him.
You know being turned on whenI'm on a date, but it's more
about me enjoying myself and heenjoys the pleasure that I get
to do what I want and then so itdoesn't have to be a constant
turn on when things arehappening.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yes, Okay, I love this and I this is why we need
more of the female perspectiveout there, because I love a few
things about what you said.
The first where you said youknow, for me this was about, um,
detaching myself from sex, andyou know, and that is key,
absolutely, especially in thebeginning for women who are
nervous about doing this ifyou're going to be sleeping with
(28:15):
someone other than the guy whoyou're in love with, this is
about just exploring someoneelse's body and seeking sexual
pleasure from that together andthat's it.
Like that's a compartment.
You can compartmentalize thesethings in your life.
You do not have to be fallingin love with this dude just
because he put his dick in yourpussy.
So, no strings attached, friendwith benefits, literally that's
(28:41):
it, or even just a dude withbenefits, that's all it needs to
be, or doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that.
But I also love what you saidabout your husband.
Okay, so he was not there.
Was that your choice to nothave him there to watch, or did
he not want to be?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Both of ours.
So he actually, to this day,he's only seen me once with a
guy.
Yeah, and we've been prettyactive throughout these you know
five, six years that we've beentogether, but he actually
enjoys that I just get to do mything alone.
Interesting Now, at least.
I mean it's not too long agosince he had his first time
(29:25):
where he was actually therepresent.
But I don't he, he quite doesnot enjoy the fact that you know
he would just be there or he.
He knows that it might affectme, it might affect the other
guy.
Yeah, yeah, it's not aperformance for him, it's about
us having fun, yeah, and it's.
But he still thinks that it's.
It's our sex, it's almost it'sour date as well when I'm out.
(29:49):
So he feels connected to, towhat I'm doing, but, uh, he
doesn't necessarily want to bethere or doesn't think that he
has to be there.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
This is so fascinating.
I feel like for him, it must bemore about compersion, about
he's just, he's really fulfilledand satisfied and enjoying the
process, knowing that you arereceiving pleasure from this
other person Right.
And more about that and lessabout his own fantasy, which is
(30:18):
just so fascinating to me.
I think that's, that's awesome.
But the fact that he said yousaid that this was very, very
uncomfortable for him, thatfirst time, that this was not so
much about him getting off, asit was for him to almost lean
into that discomfort in thatmoment which I've heard this so
(30:40):
many times, and this is onething you'll see from online and
hear from other people is thatreality versus fantasy is so
different when it comes to thiswhole cuckolding thing.
You watch porn.
There's the script, there's theoh my God, it's so hot and I'm
wanking off and it's just thebest orgasm of my life and it's.
(31:02):
I've dreamed about this all youknow.
All my life I'm wanting towatch my woman cuck me or
whatever.
Reality is like a whole bunchdifferent.
Like it is I mean, guys say thatthey're almost like I feel like
they're going to throw up, likeit is so uncomfortable and this
is why I talked about in thebeginning of this conversation
(31:23):
very real concerns around.
Will this damage myrelationship?
Because this is not easy forthe guy to go through.
This is something that when hedoes, he's either going to be
able to get through it or he'sjust going to freak out and be
like I cannot fucking do thisLike this is the worst thing
ever.
Whatever.
It's not easy for him no,definitely not.
(31:45):
But and I love the fact thatyou talked about like this is
not about him getting a bonerevery time you're with somebody
else or you know, talking aboutbeing with somebody else that
this is more than that, which isgreat, but I think it's like a
fascinating that he's not there,that he went through it, that
(32:07):
he it was very uncomfortable,but that he still loved it.
So what happened afterwards?
When you were, after you werewith this guy?
Was there any kind of likeaftercare you did with your cug?
Like when you came home and youtold him about it?
Was there some bonding thathappened there?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Well, yes, I mean, we , we did see each other very,
very quickly after it hadhappened, um but, um, but, and
and funny thing you say thatthat it was definitely a an
experience for him, where he hedid say after it that I'm not
sure if this is, you know, theright thing for me, if I, if I
actually really want this.
Luckily enough, it did not makeme feel like I had just damaged
(32:51):
our relationship, so it wasmore like, you know, he's not
sure if this cuckolding thing isfor him, but we were still fine
, which was lovely, so that Ididn't have to, you know, go
through the panic of like have I?
Have I destroyed this by, bydoing, because it's hard to be
the active person, it's hard tobe the one that goes through
with it, does something, andthen, you know, someone has a of
(33:15):
heart with what you did.
But quite quickly we did talkabout it.
If I remember correctly, itwasn't like we had any sort of
reclaimed sex and we still don't.
Afterwards, it was more liketalking, more like comforting
him and also, I guess, in a way,me as well as well, that you
know, it was pretty big for bothof us, um, but then it wasn't
(33:40):
too long after that that, youknow, it sort of came back to
our into our conversations againand again and it was quite
clear that you know, maybe itwas the after, you know, the
first shock, and then that thiswas maybe here to stay, and it
turns out it was so yeah, it'sso interesting how that happens
(34:02):
because I've heard that toowhere it's such an unpleasant
experience that that's theknee-jerk reaction is like, oh,
I don't think that this issomething I want to do again.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
But then funny enough , yes, funny enough, he wants to
do it again.
It's almost like you.
Just, he just got like slappedin the face by the cuckolding
fantasy and and didn't like itgetting slapped, but then all of
a sudden realized actually thatwas kind of fun, like I wanted
that again.
But anyway, I I think that'sfantastic that you guys did have
(34:37):
that kind of like um talkthrough it afterwards and then
you worked through it and andthat he was explicit about the
fact that your relationship wasokay, regardless, your
relationship was okay, cause Ithink that that you're right,
like as a woman going throughthat, being the one who's taking
the action, who's doing thething, that is such a big risk
that you take that you don'twant to hurt your partner, you
(34:58):
don't want to hurt yourrelationship, you don't want to
be the one who causes harm.
Yeah, that's not fun foranybody.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Definitely not, and it would have been devastating
if it had ended, so that youknow he would.
He was like well, I don't, Idon't think I can see you the
same way again ever, or that wehave to break up or something it
would have you know.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
It would have been devastating yeah, my first cuck
boyfriend, the one I met ontinder, the one who wanted this,
his whole fucking adult life,like absolutely desired this to
no end um, he was confusing asfuck because he would like, want
this, we would do it.
And then he would pull away andhe'd be like like just ghosting
(35:36):
, and like I was like what isgoing on?
All these like mixed signalsand stuff.
It took me forever to realizethat he was going through that
like self-hatred afterwards of Ican't believe, I'm into this, I
don't want to do this, like,and then, oh, I'm thinking about
it again, I want it, I want todo this again, nevermind what I
(35:56):
said.
Like fuck, so confusing.
Like fuck off with that shit.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I'm glad that didn't happen.
Yeah, it's not easy for them.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Oh, it's really not yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I wouldn't be able to be on his side of the his side
of the relationship.
So you know.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I can say I can say that, that I I wouldn't, you
know, I wouldn't want that yeah,I, I, I, I truly love and
admire cucks so much for havingthat mental strength to be able
to go through that and loving itat the same time and it's just
like wow.
But there is that potential fordamage.
There is that to to the, to thecuckoldress, to the cuck, to
(36:37):
the relationship.
So I don't want to downplaythat.
But, yeah, all right, where didit go from there?
So, obviously, things kind ofworked out well and you guys,
eventually, you know you weremadly in love.
You decided to get married.
Like what was all going onduring that time?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, I mean, that was just the well.
The first time was, I guess,the stepping stone and then
during the first year, almost itwas very, very active life.
I would say it was also mefiguring out what I like in
terms of this cuckoldingrelationship, what kind of guys
I like, if I can really do this,you know, with more and more
(37:18):
people, for example, or if I'm,you know, convincing myself as
well that I'm not cheatingmyself or I'm not lying to
myself that I can do this.
Yes, so it was quite an activelife we ended up doing.
I had my first threesome umquite quickly during the first
year with two guys.
(37:38):
Um.
I had my first interracial umfoursome during the first year.
Um, I had a lot of crazy thingshappen during the first year
that you would not.
You know you have a hard time.
You know comprehending ifyou're, if you're, if you're
maybe from like my circle offriends or somewhere from the
(38:02):
kind of the normal, you knowdownplaying it kind of couple
that we did quite a bit of weirdthings, but it was a very
exciting first year and thensome.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Wow, so an interracialial foursome.
Does that mean you had likefour or three black guys?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
yes, oh, wow, and and and uh.
Maybe a funny story to that wasthat they were very, they were
the big kind and um.
Actually what happened was thatI did have um two you know, I
had sex with two of them at thesame time that time, and then
(38:40):
actually my boyfriend at thetime, my husband, asked if that
happened and he asked mestraight after I came home and I
could just tell that he wassuch in a distressed state that
I actually lied to him that no,that didn't happen.
But then a few months after, Iconfessed that yes, it did, but
I that didn't happen.
But then, um a few months after, I confessed that yes, it did,
but I just didn't think he couldhandle it, handle it, but I
(39:03):
would you know, I would havesaid yes to that Um, but yes, so
I mean, I haven't been perfectat this either.
So I do admit that I have comeup with some, some white lies at
times, but it was fine in theend.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
So I'm sure he was turned on by it anyway.
Yes, yes, he was.
Yes, Well, if your pussy canhandle both those dicks, then
your cuck can handle listeningto the story.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yes, yes, it was fine .
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So these are all guys you found on Tinder, no, so?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
we found them here and there.
Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But yes, so did you.
Did that kind of spark apreference for black guys?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
It did.
I'll have to also say that thefirst one that I was with was
did fit that picture as well,but, um, yes, I think experience
kind of dragged me there, eventhough it's not like um.
So where I live it's it's notlike, you know, half the
population is black, so it'sit's kind of hard to to find,
yeah, men like that, um, but uh,we just went through some
(40:14):
experiences, ended up in in afew parties.
They're actually, you know,becoming more and more popular
as well, and, um, I just kind ofrealized that the vibe is also
quite different.
Yes, they have just this verypositive energy, very, you know,
it's not so much about, youknow, for them to you know that
they're, you know, proud ofthemselves because they get to
(40:37):
be with a, be with a woman, butit's more like just just shared
joy and it's so.
It's so much more about, youknow, just having fun, not
really being so bothered aboutthe fact that I have a boyfriend
or getting coffee about it,that they're somehow somehow
better than my boyfriend becauseI want to be with them instead.
But it's just this vibe thatyou know, they're quite, very
(41:00):
laid back, very and very goodlovers, I have to say as well.
It's just like they're just abit more than you know, the
usual suspects.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So yeah, they're very hard to come by here where I
live too in Canada like it'sjust, there's just not a lot of
them.
But I yeah, it's funny how thathappens because, like I I it
was my first cuck boyfriend thatthat suggested I seek out black
men and I was just I had hadone or two really good
(41:36):
experiences with black menbefore that.
So I was just like, oh yeah,like I had, it was good.
So I was like, all right, sure,yeah, great idea.
And I was not exclusivelylooking for black men, um, after
that, but it just ended upbeing like the the ones not all
of them, but some of most of theones that I did, um, find and I
(41:57):
had really great experienceswith.
And you're right, they just gowith the flow, chill, kind of
like, yeah, we're good, kind ofattitude, and it was just like,
so it's such a great experiencefor all around that I just ended
up just seeking out those guys.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Pretty much the same for me.
It was just seeking out thoseguys.
Pretty much the same for me.
It was just it ended up being,yes, just a preference, also
just because of the way theywere.
So it was very, no drama, very,very laid back, you know.
You know you didn't have tothink if you're being too slutty
or you know, or anything.
It was just two people enjoyingeach other and yeah, and
actually you know being able toadmit it, that you can be like
this and just have fun, and yeah, and actually you know being
(42:35):
able to admit it that you can belike this and just have fun,
and yeah, and we both reallyenjoy it and yes, did your
husband have, uh like fantasiesabout interracial cuckolding
stuff?
not in that sense.
So he did, didn't know that.
You know, for example, where wefound these, these, um, these
(42:57):
men, that this was a thing alsoin here and that it would be
possible to have that sort ofexperience if I wanted to.
Okay, but it was the same forme.
So I have, you know, throughoutmy life I have been, you know,
drawn and drawn to, you know,like BBC porn, been drawn to,
(43:18):
you know, like BBC porn, but Ididn't really think ever that
that was for me or that it wouldbe like reality, for example,
for me, or that, you know, yeah,possible in any way.
So I didn't really have thatsort of preference.
I mean, yes, but it was alwaysthat I found it through
experience and not somepredetermined you know fetish
that, yeahish, that it must bethis way, but no, I mean, if
(43:39):
they weren't as great as Iexperienced them to be, I
wouldn't have ended up this way.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, there's a reason for it.
Yeah, Okay and then.
So when you guys were makingplans to get married and stuff
like that, did you ever thinkabout any kind of cuckolding
scenarios, fantasies around that?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well, yes, very, very funny for you to ask that,
because when I first met myboyfriend, or now husband, one
of the first resources that Idid actually find very helpful
was your podcast, so I listenedto that since I've maybe, well,
whenever it started it wasdefinitely the early years and I
(44:24):
listened to that.
There were quite a few goodepisodes about just like how
great Kirk husbands are, but youalso shared quite a bit of your
experiences, and you had this.
I remember you speaking aboutthis like wedding night fantasy,
where it was actually agangbang with a bunch of black
guys, and it so turned out to bethat I had a few lovers when I
(44:47):
got married and we were actuallythinking about that maybe I
would have had sex with one ofthose guys instead during our
wedding night.
And we even asked one of theguys that I knew and he actually
said, yes, but a few things gotin the way, but so we never
went through with that, but wewere actually very serious about
(45:09):
doing something wild like thatfor our wedding night.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
So I love that so much.
Yes, I have spoken about thatover the years.
Having a BBC gang bang on mywedding night is my biggest
fantasy that I've always had.
Who knows if it'll ever happen.
But, um, you know what's sofunny?
Uh, one of the guys from myhelpful cuck supporter tier was
telling me, I think with thisweek or last week he week he
(45:34):
said, yeah, so blackcom has anew cuckolding porn website.
It's just for cuck porn andit's called wifeycom.
And I was like okay, wifey.
And then he said he's like,yeah, there's.
I think.
He said something like there'slots of videos on there with the
he's seeing more and morevideos of the wedding night BBC
(45:57):
gangbang kind of theme going on.
I was like I wonder if I'veinfluenced this, because I've
talked about this for like adecade now.
I wonder if there's a wholebunch of people all over the
world who are thinking aboutthis specific fantasy and now
(46:18):
they're consuming all of thiswedding night BBC porn.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
But I mean that didn't happen.
But as it turns out, weactually did start a pussy free
relationship with my husbandfrom our wedding day, and what
did happen was that I ended uphaving sex with a black guy as
the last person before I gotmarried, and then with the same
guy also after I got married.
(46:45):
So so he he was still the firstone that I actually had
intercourse with after I gotmarried.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
So I love that.
That is so hot.
Um and what.
And so you guys decided that,as of your marriage, your
wedding day, that he would nolonger get sex.
So you guys had sex on yourwedding night and that was it
after that.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I know we actually didn't have sex on our wedding
night, or we did, but it wasstrap on and um all sorts of
other sex, but not not him rightum having sex with me in the
traditional way.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
So you pegged him on your wedding night?
Yes, I did and we had.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
We had some experiences with with like um
trying a pussy free relationshipbefore that um, so we did have
like a sexist september orsomething like that that we kind
of like um introduced to intoour relationship at very in the
very beginning.
But then, as as time went on,we realized that we were more
(47:46):
and more inclined that way that,um, he he would still get like
because he was never that umthat great of a lover himself
and he would always feel quite abig pressure, yeah, in relation
to intercourse and like beingable to satisfy me in the
(48:06):
traditional way.
And then then we realized thatwell, maybe starting from our
wedding would be like a you knowa big enough date to start it.
And then now it's been now it'sbeen more than two years and,
um, we're still very, very happywith that choice.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
So so you guys still have a sex life together.
It's just that your sex lifelooks different than most people
think is the default for sex,which is PIV sex.
So all you've done is like cutout the PIV sex right and but
you're still having all sorts ofother fun fulfilling,
(48:44):
satisfying sexual pleasure.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yes, and that was.
That's definitely what we bothwant.
So, you know, none of us want,you know, the whole like that.
There's nothing sexual betweenus, quite the contrary.
I mean, we are very drawn toeach other in that way and we
want to keep our relationshipthat way, that we are very, very
sexual beings and we, we loveto go to go into parties and
love experiencing you know allsorts of things, but we just
(49:10):
decided to cut cut out the uh,the PIV sex.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
And how has that been for you?
I do you feel like you'remissing out on anything with
your husband?
Speaker 2 (49:19):
No, Okay, no, it's actually been.
It's been very great to us, Imean, and I it's, it's a
philosophical sense as well toboth of us that it's it's more
like you know, I don't have to,you know, think about.
Also also, you know, giving sexto him, yeah, with these other
people, and it's just kind of,and for him as well, it's about
(49:42):
him not having to worry aboutyou know, disappointing me when
we have have sex in, you know,in the normal sense of the word,
and it's just a very how toexplain it.
It's a philosophical way tolive, it way of living as well.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
So Two of the podcasts that I listened to on
the regular Dr Justin LeeMiller's sex and psychology and
Dan Savage's Savage Lovecast andI've noticed the theme that
people need to like expand thescript or change the script when
it comes to sex, because PIVsex for women is generally not
that pleasurable for us as it isfor men, and so I've just heard
(50:24):
a lot about like couples.
Really, I mean, it would begreat to like have a month where
you don't have PIV sex andinstead, as a couple, you expand
your possibilities of tryingall of these other things, and
how beneficial that would be forcouples, and I'm like listening
to this going.
Yes, we absolutely need to dothat, Because if there's one
(50:48):
thing about cuddling that I havelearned is that this is a great
expansion of your sex life, andfor some people, it does
include actually cutting down ordecreasing the PIV sex and
having all of this other fun,whether it be some kinky stuff
like pegging or whatever, orjust learning how to eat pussy
like a champion or enjoying that, reconnecting sex afterwards or
(51:14):
whatever Lots of other thingsother than just put your dick in
me and you know in five minutesyou're going to have an orgasm
and I won't that kind of thingand so, like I love hearing
about this and there's but Ishould say there's also this
very like common misconceptionthat cucks don't have sex with
(51:35):
their wife and that in mostcuckolding relationships there's
this very hard and fast rule ofno PIV.
She does not want to have sexwith him, she has no interest in
that, and blah, blah, blah andhe's just basically left out of
the sexual equation.
And that's not true.
I would say definitely the mostcommon situation with cuckolding
(51:59):
couples out there is that theystill have a very healthy,
robust, PIV sex life togetherand for anybody listening
doesn't know what PIV meanspenis and vagina, that's the
like typical default sex thing,whatever.
But but for couples who doengage in this kind of like
sexual denial PIV sexual denialso many times he's not left out
(52:24):
of the sexual equation that thismeans it's actually lots of fun
for him in many different waysand I love and adore that you
guys have gone there and donethat and that it's benefited in
your relationship, right?
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yes, yes definitely, and I mean for him example, for
example, he, he, he comes veryquickly.
So if we do have, or if we hadhad, sex, you know sometimes
time that it was less than aminute and he was ready to come,
or something like that at theend where we decided to give up
(52:58):
on PIViv sex, you know, I didn'teven have time to come myself,
even going, yeah, quite quick,quick, normally to to have an
orgasm and quite easy to do so.
But I didn't have, you know,time for it and, um, it was just
it.
It took away a lot of the noisein in the sexy.
It kind of opened up both ofour eyes to you know what else
(53:19):
is there for us and and that weweren't always so focused on, on
just that.
And I mean I, I'm the one youknow sort of to blame there as
well that I grew up in a societywhere I used to think that way
as well.
Like, you know, if I wentwithout a week, you know,
without having like the normalpenetrative sex, I thought that
you know what's wrong with me,you know why doesn't he want me,
(53:43):
for example?
Like it was a measure of, youknow, a successful sex life,
right, and you know I was happyto you know kind of, you know,
reintroduce that whole world,that you know what if it's not
about you know the penetrationitself, but what if it's, you
know everything else, and thatit doesn't have to be so.
You know intercourse focused.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yes, Uh, yes, I love this.
Um, have there been anyinstances where he's like, oh, I
really want to have PIB sexwith you tonight and you were
like no not really.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
I mean some, but they they're they haven't been, you
know, a serious at all.
I would say so just like youknow, kind of like you know a
very, very small instance, butwe both know that that wasn't a
very serious moment of like.
Should we reconsider this, thischoice that we've made?
So, no, not at all.
Actually, I've been very, very,very proud of him that it
(54:38):
hasn't been about me having todeny him because I'm I'm not
that kind of a.
I've been very, very, veryproud of him that it hasn't been
about me having to deny himbecause I'm not that kind of a
person.
I'm not like a very you knowdominatrix.
You know I enjoy denying himthings.
You know being ruthless type ofperson.
Quite the contrary.
I'm like, if I see you thatyou're actually really
struggling, then I want to bringit up and you know be like are
(54:59):
you OK?
Like, are you really fine?
I, I want to bring it up andyou know be like are you okay?
Like, are you really fine?
Do you want to continue this orare you suffering?
So I'm very proud of him thatit hasn't been like a lot of
begging or a lot of like.
You know, I want you to say noto me and I want you to you know
, be rough with me, that youknow that hasn't entered the
equation, so I'm very proud himdoes he like do you guys do
(55:20):
chastity at all?
um, a little bit.
We're, we're getting there.
So he has a, he has a chastitybelt and and we've, we've, uh,
started to experiment with it sothat, um, he would be, but, but
that is a desire for both of us, that we would like to
introduce that more and more forour relationship, and he does,
he does enjoy it, and we found acage that fits in them.
(55:43):
So, yes, it's just about youknow, having having the uh, the
guts to actually try it out abit more.
Yes, you know, to go through afew hours in the public, for
example, or at home for a full,you know, a whole day or
something.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, Are there any other things, fantasies, desires
that you are, that you wouldlike to have realized in the
next little while or a few years?
Or is there, like a bucket list, that you have going on?
Speaker 2 (56:12):
We do have, you know, a kind of a bucket list.
It's it's more about, you know,things that we have talked
about, maybe not so much likethe, the ultimate things that we
want to do, but you know, we'vetalked about quite a bit
because he's um, a little bit oflike um by, by, curious, within
the cuckolding um aspect, sonot not really by, but enjoys
(56:36):
the idea of like, beingsubmissive to a, to a better man
, for example.
So we have thought about, youknow what, if I saw him with
another guy, like, yeah, see mewith another guy.
So maybe that's something thatwe want to want to do, that I
see him being a little, you know, a little sissy to a proper guy
, and things like that.
(56:57):
But, yes, how do you feel aboutthat?
Very excited, very excited.
I would be thrilled, I would beeasily turned on by that and,
yes, I know that it would be hotto see that.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
Wow, and you said so.
He's watched you with a blackguy once, yes, once, yes, and
that was at a sex club orsomething.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yes, it was a party.
It was a BBC, cuckolding BBCtype of party, so mainly hot
wives and black men, which wasactually a very refreshing
experience as well to see thatin real life as a, as a, you
know, publicly announced party.
Yes, which which made me feelas as if, you know, the black
(57:46):
guys also want it, and it wasorganized by this um, by this
group of black men, so it mademe feel like I'm not doing
anything wrong here by wantingthis sort of interaction myself
either.
That it's it's actuallysomething that they want as well
.
Yeah, um, that it doesn't,because I mean, these things do
come with a bit of a you know,is this really right?
Or, yes, you know, should thisbe, you know?
Speaker 1 (58:07):
do you still struggle with that like the moral
dilemma?
Speaker 2 (58:12):
not so much anymore, not so much anymore.
After I've seen so much of it,you know, unfolding, you know,
in front of my own, it's notthat much of an issue anymore.
It was in the beginning becauseI, you know, it was a bit of a
you know, are we, you know,being rude or insensitive or
whatever?
Speaker 1 (58:32):
At that party when your husband was watching you.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Was that weird, like was it odd watching you Was that
weird, like, was it odd.
It was scary at first, notnecessarily scary, but it was,
it was.
It was nerve wracking, um, buteven that, that quite went the
way I expected.
So it wasn't like you know himjerking off in a corner in a
(58:58):
cock chair of a hotel room, butit was.
It was more more of him, justyou know, watching and being,
quite, you know, unbothered in acock chair of a hotel room, but
it was, it was more more of him, just you know, watching and
being quite, you know,unbothered in a good way, I
guess you know, just taking itall in.
But you know, without anypressure on him either, that he
should be a certain way.
Yeah, and I didn't expect himto be a certain way when he was
watching me.
So I didn't, you know, feel letdown when he wasn't jerking off
(59:18):
when he was watching that itfelt quite natural that it
happened the way it did, that itis the first time you're seeing
your, you know your belovedpartner with anyone that you
know it might be.
You know you might be closer tothrowing up than you know.
(59:39):
Yes, yes, no matter how muchyou've heard about it or you
know seeing some videos at times, but it might still be pretty,
pretty, pretty, a big thing.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
So at that party were you able to meet other couples
and talk to other people in thesame lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yes, yes, we did, and that was very eyeopening as
well, cause we don't we don'treally have a community where
know where we're from.
So, yeah, it was.
It was very nice to be actuallyto be able to speak, to speak
to other people that are like usand enjoy the same things and,
you know, kind of get thefeeling that this is, this is
perfectly fine and this isnormal and and um, yeah, it was,
(01:00:15):
it was very nice um, I want togo back a little bit to that uh
document that you guys made thathad your rules, your boundaries
, your limits, your expectationsand all of that on there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Was that just something that you used in the
beginning, or is that a documentthat you still use today?
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I would have to say we used it in the beginning and
since then quite a bit of therules have relaxed quite a bit,
but with good intention and withus thinking about them.
So it hasn't been just like weforgot about them, but it's just
something that we have thoughtabout that maybe this is not so
(01:00:58):
important anymore anymore, thatmaybe we don't have to be this
strict um anymore, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
So would you recommend that for other couples
, or is there any other helpfuladvice that you would give to
couples like that, um, who arethinking about doing this
together?
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I would.
I would really recommend it,not necessarily, you know, you
don't have to come up with adocument, but I think it was
just.
It just helped us to reallyreally talk about things.
So it's really considered sothat we didn't, you know, just
rush into something withoutactually thinking about it.
So you know we had to, you know, voice our concerns, both of
(01:01:39):
our concerns, and be very clearabout, for example, you know we
had to, you know, voice ourconcerns, both of our concerns,
and be very clear about, forexample, you know, protection
very.
You know minute issues, like youknow.
Should you always useprotection?
Should you always tell theother person when you're seeing
someone, or you know what, ifsomeone, when they've been horny
, they've said that I'd like you, you know, you just sometimes
tell me about it afterwards, butis that really what they're
(01:02:02):
thinking, or would they stillactually want to know beforehand
, for example?
Or just basically all the rulesthat you can think of or all
the concerns that I wouldrecommend it, because I don't
think that you can be toocareful when you're starting
this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
You can be too careful when you're starting
this thing.
Yeah, I know I've heard of oneother couple who did a document
together and they basically likecame up with all of the
scenarios that might happen intheir mind, like what happens if
this happens, and everythinglike that, and they came up with
this document and they wouldeach like go through each one of
those scenarios or questions orissues that might come up and
(01:02:40):
they would write it out likeexactly this is what we would do
, kind of like this is what Iforesee, blah, blah, blah.
And it helped them kind of feelprepared for going into this
together.
Okay, we've thought about that,we've talked about that.
This is kind of how weanticipate it going if that
happens, kind of thing, and Ithink that is really helpful for
(01:03:00):
couples and so if anybody'slistening who thinks that that
might be a good idea?
go for it, do it.
Yes, okay, that's it for theshow.
We've run out of time.
Emma, I am so grateful for youto come on the show and share
your story.
This has been such a greatexperience to be able to hear it
(01:03:20):
from your perspective and thejourney that you've been on, all
of the things that you guyslike to do together and how your
relationship has evolved.
It's been fascinating for me,so I have really enjoyed this.
Thank you so much for comingonto the show.
Thank you so much as well.
(01:03:42):
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Welcome to the show everyone.
I'm your host, venus, thanksfor joining me today.
And today I have such a greatstory.
Emma's on the show.
She's going to share her storyabout their cuckold, pussy free
marriage, pussy free as of theirwedding day.
She pegged him on their weddingnight and then ever since then
he's been pussy-free.
(00:53):
And I know that a lot ofcouples actually most couples
that I've come across in thislifestyle who enjoy cuckolding,
are not pussy-free, meaning thatthere is no sexual denial
between wife and husband orpartner and partner, and and so
it's usually just, you know, afun cuckolding is a fun little
thing that they use to kind ofspice things up in the bedroom.
(01:15):
But for some couples they dowant to go down this road of
sexual denial and like I get it.
I understand for many reasons Iget that why that can be such a
strong desire for couples.
For a lot of the times it'sjust a lot less pressure for the
(01:35):
husband to perform sexually andhe appreciates that part of it.
But also some guys reallyhonestly think that.
Or they feel like being pussyfree and giving their wife this
gift of you know, sex with otherguys is very much like a form
of devotion to her or a sense ofdevotion to her.
(01:56):
So I get that.
And then there's other people,you know, when they're in just
like a power dynamic, and thisis all part of that.
This is the part that's thequote, unquote, unfairness of it
all.
So I get it.
There's a lot of reasons whypeople want to do the pussy free
thing.
There's a lot of guysfantasizing about the pussy free
thing.
If that's what gets you off,you're going to love this
(02:18):
episode because she talks aboutwhat it's actually like for her
and why they love it and why itworks for them.
But first, events I recentlywent to Europe to do a couple of
meet and greets events withfans and I put it out there that
on these couple of days I wouldbe in these different places
(02:43):
and at these times and you knowit was open to anybody to come
and say hello, to meet me, tocheers for a drink or whatever,
and and that's, it was going tobe like a casual, fun meeting
Great thing.
One of them was in Dublin.
One of them was in London andthey were a lot of fun.
Ok, dublin was a mix of, likecouples and singles, and lots of
(03:04):
my helpful cucks came in fromall different parts of the world
actually uh, to to hang out andspend some time with me while I
was there in Dublin, and it wasawesome.
It was so fun.
The meet and greet was great.
I got to meet some couples andsingles and, um, and they were
able to, you know, tell me abouttheir stories and stuff like
(03:25):
that, and I loved it.
Okay, for those of you who arelistening who got to meet me in
Dublin, that was so much fun.
So thank you so much for comingout to that.
Dublin was my favorite city ofall the cities I went to.
It was just such a vibe.
I love it there.
I definitely want to go back toIreland and spend like at least
(03:45):
a week exploring, because fourdays was not enough, but it was
so great to spend some time withmy helpful cucks.
There was four of them who wentout and spontaneously decided
that they were all the next daygoing to go out and get owl
tattoos and, for those of youwho have not heard, this is the
(04:06):
new symbol for Cucks is the owl.
And why the owl, you ask?
Well, because owls are alwayswatching, and always watching in
the night.
So we thought I thought thiswould be a great symbol for
Cucks.
And so, anyway, they all wentout and got owl tattoos and
matching owl tattoos.
(04:27):
So they all agreed on onedesign.
It's a really nice blacksilhouette of an owl and they
each got it on different partsof their bodies, and for two of
them it was the very firsttattoo that they'd ever gotten
and it was just awesome.
They all went to the sametattoo parlor, got it all done
all at the same time, and I wasjust thrilled because it turned
(04:50):
out it's so well and I was justlike so happy that they all went
and did this.
So thank you to all my helpfulcucks out there who got owl
tattoos.
That was awesome.
And then London the London meetand greet was at this really
cool kind of like loungy pubkind of place and they set aside
(05:11):
like a meeting room not ameeting room but a space for me
to have my meet and greet there,which was pretty cool, and
there were lots of people thatcame.
It was a kind of a mix ofcouples, singles and bulls and
my helpful cucks, and so it wasso fun.
It was such a fun vibe, likeeverybody was just kind of
mingling and having a great timeand talking to each other and I
(05:35):
got to meet everybody and itwas just it was, it was awesome,
it was we were there for a fewhours, like it was great, but at
the very end well, the end forme everybody went out after this
together.
But anyway, the end for me itwas kind of fucking crazy and I
have decided that from now on,unfortunately, if I ever do any
(05:57):
kind of event like this again,that I need to hire a security
guard or a team of securityguards, because it was actually
really quite scary what happened.
But I was just sitting therehaving a great time on the
outdoor area.
I was sitting there with one ofmy fans from the show and we
(06:19):
were just having a conversationand all of a sudden this fucking
weird ass guy walked in,immediately, sat down right
across from me and there wasnobody else out there and he
stared at me.
And I mean, when I might, whenI say stared at me, this guy
would not take his eyes off ofme and he looked like he wanted
(06:43):
to rape and kill me.
It was the most uncomfortablestare.
I immediately was like what thefuck is up with this guy?
I'm looking over and I'mlooking.
I'm what the fuck?
I was wearing a dress and hewas like staring at my crotch
and it was so scary for me.
I was just like I said to theguy I was talking to.
(07:05):
I said I need to go insidebecause this guy's making me
really uncomfortable.
And as soon as I went and satinside and I started talking to
the other people from my group,I said this guy outside is
really weird.
He's staring at me strange andmaking me feel very
uncomfortable.
And they were like what, what?
And then, as I was saying that,this creepy stalker dude from
(07:27):
outside, we started looking inthe window, looking for me,
looking, trying to find where Iwent, and that's when I was like
really started to panic.
I'm like, oh my god, who isthis fucking creep and why is he
here and why is he like lockedin on me, like I felt like prey.
It was so fucking scary.
Anyway, all of the people who Iwas with my group of fans were
(07:49):
so amazing because theyimmediately were like okay,
we'll take care of this.
We're going to go and talk tothis guy and ask him to leave,
and so they did that andeventually he did leave.
But then he came back and waslike following me with his eyes
all around the whole venue and Iwas so fucking freaked out
(08:11):
because I was like, all right,this guy's a full-on stalker.
Like this guy wants to kill me.
I was so fucking scared, I waslike shaking.
I don't know.
For a lot of you guys listening, because it's mostly guys
listening to this podcast youprobably don't know what this
feels like.
But for any of the ladies whoprobably don't know what this
feels like but for any of theladies who are listening, you
know what this feels like whenyou get really scared by a man
who's fucking crazy and wants tokill you or acts like he wants
(08:41):
to kill you.
This is absolutely terrifying.
And Iuck, who took this guy outof the building down around the
corner and basically liketurned the guy around so that he
could not see me as I ran outof there and into an Uber to get
the fuck out.
So thank you to Sergio forhelping me escape a very awful
(09:06):
situation and from now on I'mabsolutely going to have an
entourage of security team,unfortunately, so that part
sucked, but otherwise everythingwas incredible.
After that I did go to Paris.
Paris is outstandingly,unbelievably, romantically
beautiful.
I have never seen so manybeautiful buildings in my life,
(09:29):
but a weird vibe and just likemobbed by tourists.
So I don't know.
It was a cool place to go andvisit once, but I'm not sure I
want to go back.
But London and Dublin werefucking amazing.
I would absolutely love to goback and explore some more
amazing.
I would absolutely love to goback and explore some more.
So that was.
That's the update regarding thecrazy ass fucking stalker and
(09:50):
the amazing, really great meetand greats that I went to.
So I'm slowly recovering fromjet lag and I'm back in the
swing of things.
So that's it for.
Oh wait, there is one moreannouncement.
Actually, um, becca and Drewthey were on the show about a
month ago and shared their superhot stories of their marriage,
(10:10):
their cuckolding marriage.
Okay, it was so hot, likeinsanely hot, so hot indeed,
that YouTube even though I onlypublished the audio version of
that episode, I didn't evenpublish the video one yet and
they took it down and they put astrike on my account and
warning.
They were like that you can'tdo that.
(10:31):
Like you know, you're introuble.
And so anybody listening tothis right now if you are like,
well, what episode?
If you listen to my show onYouTube, you know what episode
are you talking about.
It's because it got taken down,so listen to it on Spotify or
Apple.
It's there.
And, anyway, becca and Drew aregoing to join myself and Doc
Chocolate for the next PillowTalk event, which is a live
(10:53):
event and it's free to attend,and if you want to check it out,
the link is in the show notes.
It's going to be Friday, May16th, at 12 pm Pacific that's 3
pm Eastern and it is live.
So you got to catch it live.
But, yeah, they're going to bethere.
So if you have some questionsor comments about them or their
marriage or the show that theydid, make sure that you join us
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Okay, joining me on the show?
I have a special guest.
Her name's Emma.
She's joining me all the wayfrom Europe.
I'm excited for you to shareyour story.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Say hello to all the listeners, emma Hi everyone Very
excited to be here and hoping Ican share some insights with
you.
Great, let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay, so we came across each other online and I
am thrilled to have you shareyour story, because the
beginning part is somewhatsimilar to like how I was
introduced to cuckolding.
I met my first cuck boyfriendon Tinder of all places, and I
(13:25):
understand that that's where youmet your husband as well, so
tell us about how that allhappened?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yes, so we did meet on Tinder.
We did share some historytogether, so we were not
completely unknowns to eachother, so that may have helped a
little bit.
But yes, we did meet on Tinder.
We had a, had a great firstdate, um, and actually quite
quickly after the first date,the first first indications uh
(13:55):
came from him that he actuallymight be into uh, cuckolding a
little bit.
And, um, he asked me if theterm was term was something I
was familiar with.
And surprise, surprise, I wasactually quite excited myself to
hear that.
So that's how we did start.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So how soon did he bring it up?
And how like?
How is that how he said it?
Like, oh, have you heard ofcuckolding?
Do you know what that is?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, that was.
You know, that came after a bitof discussion about you know,
preferences and stuff like that,but we were quite comfortable
with each other from the verybeginning.
So, okay, it was actually quitequick and it felt it resonated
with me quite well.
Um, my history had been suchthat I was always in the kinds
(14:43):
of slightly very traditionalrelationships and and did not
have a lot of this.
This freedom or like openrelationships were never
discussed or sexuality was notvery out there.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So it was something that was very very interesting
to me to hear that he had theseideas.
Okay, and so you didn't knowthat this kind of relationship
existed before that?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I, I kind of did, but so the term was, was, was
familiar to me, but I did domention.
Do mention that I did have toGoogle it first, just to make
sure that I was really.
You know, I had the right idea,which I did.
But yes, that's how it actuallystarted.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Oh no, you Googled it .
Oh God, I could just imaginewhat showed up.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But he knows it, and I was just making sure that I
was making a fool out of myself.
So I didn't want to say yes tosomething that I was thinking to
be, mistakenly, somethingcompletely different.
So I wanted to make sure thatthat was actually what I thought
it was and, yes, I was correct.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Okay.
So he brought up the word, youGoogled it and you were like
okay, but you said before thislike open relationships and
sexuality was just like.
It was just not like a thing inrelationships before that.
So how come?
You were open to it.
How come you were not one ofthose many women who were like,
oh hell, no, that sounds weird.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, I have always been very sexual myself and I've
been very interested in allsorts of things throughout my
life, from a very young age, andso I always did feel a little
bit like something or a big partof me was invisible when I was
in these very, very normal, veryvanilla relationships where you
(16:31):
know, you don't talk about sexand it happens once a week,
right On a Saturday with, youknow, with the lights out.
So for me it was.
I was that kind of personalways and I was actually even
during my previous relationshipI was thinking that you know,
maybe I want an openrelationship, maybe that's
something I want.
I have always been maybe notthe best girlfriend in in the
(16:55):
general sense of the term, so Ihave been been the asshole at
times.
You know some history of ofbeing unfaithful and I didn't
quite realize that maybe thatwas just me acting out, that any
the normal way of being wasnecessarily not for me.
Yeah, but I just didn't knowhow to, how to think about that,
(17:15):
because when you grow up in a,in a circle but that's very,
quite conservative, quite, youknow, traditional you're not
supposed to be that woman.
Yeah, it's.
It's hard to give yourself thepermission to even think about
that?
That you know.
Could you're not supposed to bethat woman?
Yeah, it's, it's hard to giveyourself the permission to even
think about that.
That you know.
Could I, yeah, maybe live thislife, um?
So yes, and I'm not proud ofthose years, but I am proud of
(17:36):
the person I am today, that Iactually dare to say yes to this
, and now I feel like I'm, youknow, know, being myself.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yes, oh my God, I can relate so much.
I cheated on every boyfriendthere ever was and I couldn't
help it.
I was just like that.
I just I don't know.
I went out.
I was left feeling like what'swrong with me, why can't I, why
can't I do what I need to do,you know?
And like I just, oh my God.
So I was the same way when Ifelt, when I found cuckolding, I
(18:06):
was like, oh, this is perfectfor me, yes, and and that's
pretty much how I felt.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
So I was like, hey, this is perfect for me, yeah,
okay.
So I don't think I was thatperson that would have wanted
just an open relationship toboth of us.
I think I needed there to besomething more to it, like more,
something more sexual.
I always wanted to commit toone person.
I didn't necessarily want thewhole, you know, let's just be
(18:29):
open, both of us to datingwhoever we want.
Yeah, not so much to dating.
More about the sex and thatside of things.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So okay, and then how did it happen, or how did it
evolve from there?
So he told you about it.
You were open-minded to it andyou were like, okay, I'm willing
to give this a try.
Was it just a talking about it,sharing fantasies and then
eventually trying something?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yes, so we started out by just talking about it
quite a bit.
Um, obviously, talking about,like, our previous relationships
, previous experiences, was abig part of it.
Um, so, not so much fantasizingabout what would happen in the
future, but just for me to beable to share what I've done
before was a huge thing.
Um, because normally that's notthe type of thing that guys
(19:22):
necessarily want to listen orhear if, if they've been you
know wild, wilder or you knowmore than they can handle.
But we spoke about that quite abit.
Obviously, it took a while.
I was scared as well.
It was not normal for me to bevery in love, very in the, you
know, first stages of dating andyou know, you're all about that
(19:42):
.
One person then thinking youknow, can I actually have sex
with another person?
Yeah, or that, you know, if Ido it, will I, if he's not ready
for it, will this destroyeverything that we have?
Like, even if he brought it up,what if he's not ready for it?
So if after the firstexperience, he's like, well, no,
this doesn't feel good, Iactually want to break up with
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you, that was like my worst fear.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, Very, very legitimate fears, by the way,
because, let's face it, this isa very emotional.
This can be very emotionallytaxing for the, for everyone
involved, but especially for him, but especially for him.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So and I think, as we didn't have like the background
of you know, you know, 10 yearsmarried, you know kids, where
you kind of might know alreadythat well, even just for the
kids he wouldn't leave Right.
But we were just like you know,freshly dating and very, you
know, old Tyle, in that sensethat you know it was all very
new and both of our insecuritiescame up, and so it was, it was
(20:45):
a fear, but yeah, yeah, yeah so,um, eventually you guys decided
to that you wanted to do this,and what was like the first kind
of step towards that?
um, well, we did.
Well, the first step was thatwe did speak about it a lot and
(21:07):
we actually even drafted likethis, this paper of like what we
promised to do if we go furtherwith this, so that you know, we
promised to, you know, talkabout things, and and so we kind
of laid it out that you knowwhat was, what would be the
rules, what would would you knowhow we?
would promise to to treat eachother how we would promise to
(21:30):
you know, so that we were reallyprepared to you know to
actually do it.
And then I went on Tinder thatwas what we figured out was the
like the easiest way of doing it.
There's not a lot of like veryspecific dating apps for this
kind of thing.
Um, yeah, and, and that wouldhave been even, I think, more
(21:53):
daunting, because then thatwould have usually they're like
very fetish or kink oriented.
So we didn't want to do that,so I just went on tinder and
swiped away for a little whileand then we found someone that
seemed like a good one, andthat's how I started.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I had this very similar to what I did too.
I had and I had pretty goodsuccess with Tinder.
I found that, like once I justflat out explained you know, I'm
just looking for friends withbenefits, I'm with I.
You know, I'm just looking forfriends with benefits, I'm with
I.
You know, I'm in a relationship.
Guys were like okay, cool, likeyeah yeah, the same here.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
So I did not pretend I was single, um, but no, um, so
it was.
But we didn't mention the wordcuckolding necessarily in the
beginning, because that's still,I think it kind of comes with a
stigma of a sort that you know,some guys might just take it
the wrong way.
Yeah, because even in our caseit was me just going on a date
with the guy and then we didn'teven really talk about it much
(22:57):
afterwards, I mean, or that wasnot the point point of it, so it
wasn't like, you know, sharingevery detail of him to my
husband or my current husband.
So, um, we didn't mention that,but he knew that I was, I was
in a relationship and he wastotally, or that he knew that my
husband was completely finewith it and, um, yeah, I knew
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that I was mainly just, you know, looking for for sex or
friendship benefits instead oflike anything more serious.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So so you were looking for the guys um and yeah
, and was your husband involvedat like, helping you choose
these guys or no?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Not really.
No, I mean he was there as anemotional support, but like he
didn't have any any say, or hedidn't want to have any say as
to, you know, who would be okay,who would not be okay, for
example.
So, and there was quite, aquite a long period when he
didn't really even want to likeknow what they, what the guys
(23:59):
looked like, or or too manydetails about them.
I think he wanted me to havelike this kind of space where,
where I could make my owndecisions and he didn't want to,
you know, have an effect on whowould I, you know, pick or
Really, oh, that's, that's great.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
That's not typical.
Usually cucks are like littlemini Steven Spielbergs.
They want to be all up in thescript.
They want to be all up in thechoosing the who's going to be
involved and what they look likeand sound like and how big
their dick is.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, but in the beginning we, we, we didn't have
that at all.
I mean, we don't either now.
But now it nowadays, I mean hehas met, met those people.
You know they've shook handsand you know they've, you know,
said hi to each other.
So it's a bit different.
But uh, in the beginning he, hewanted to kind of stay out of
it for me, which was was, Ithink, very nice, because it
didn't it also didn't put meunder any pressure to to choose
(25:00):
guys that were, you know, morehis type than mine, for example,
or Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, I could imagine that that makes it feel less
performative for the fantasy andmore doing it for your own
pleasure and that's big.
So for anybody listening, thatis big.
For women, I think that'sthat's a lot.
I mean, there are women outthere who are just going to be
like yes, I really want, I don'twant to have to find these guys
(25:30):
.
Yes, you can do that, like,offload those tasks, delegate
those tasks to your husband andhe could do it for you and
whatever.
I get that.
But if you want to have moresay and more ability to choose,
then that's amazing.
That's awesome.
There can be a big benefit tothat.
So what happened when you okay,you found a guy on Tinder, you
(25:54):
really liked him and then youmade plans to hook up.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, so basically yes.
So it was always in the in thebooks that you know, if
everything goes well, we willend up having sex, um, but it
was.
It was the first time for himas well, so, despite him kind of
always knowing that this is histhing, so from an early, early
(26:23):
age he didn't know that this wassomething that he thought about
a lot and, um, he really wanted, wanted this, and, but it was
still the first time that youknow in an adult relationship
that he's done this.
So it was.
It was scary, um, and it wasactually quite.
For me, it was, in the end,quite easy.
I realized while I was on thatdate that I can do this and that
(26:49):
I am exactly what I thought Iwould be, so quite detached from
sex and a good wife so that Ican just enjoy it, have fun, and
it doesn't destroy my feelingsor cause any issues if I'm very
(27:09):
much in love, like I was and Istill am.
But for him it was a slightlydifferent experience.
So it was different than heexpected.
It wasn't like a constant hardon and being super aroused when
I was on the date.
It was actually quite theopposite.
He was quite scared, quite notthere the whole thing.
(27:36):
You know the way that we aredoing it, that he doesn't have
to be aroused whenever I see aguy, or it's not about him.
You know being turned on whenI'm on a date, but it's more
about me enjoying myself and heenjoys the pleasure that I get
to do what I want and then so itdoesn't have to be a constant
turn on when things arehappening.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yes, Okay, I love this and I this is why we need
more of the female perspectiveout there, because I love a few
things about what you said.
The first where you said youknow, for me this was about, um,
detaching myself from sex, andyou know, and that is key,
absolutely, especially in thebeginning for women who are
nervous about doing this ifyou're going to be sleeping with
(28:15):
someone other than the guy whoyou're in love with, this is
about just exploring someoneelse's body and seeking sexual
pleasure from that together andthat's it.
Like that's a compartment.
You can compartmentalize thesethings in your life.
You do not have to be fallingin love with this dude just
because he put his dick in yourpussy.
So, no strings attached, friendwith benefits, literally that's
(28:41):
it, or even just a dude withbenefits, that's all it needs to
be, or doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that.
But I also love what you saidabout your husband.
Okay, so he was not there.
Was that your choice to nothave him there to watch, or did
he not want to be?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Both of ours.
So he actually, to this day,he's only seen me once with a
guy.
Yeah, and we've been prettyactive throughout these you know
five, six years that we've beentogether, but he actually
enjoys that I just get to do mything alone.
Interesting Now, at least.
I mean it's not too long agosince he had his first time
(29:25):
where he was actually therepresent.
But I don't he, he quite doesnot enjoy the fact that you know
he would just be there or he.
He knows that it might affectme, it might affect the other
guy.
Yeah, yeah, it's not aperformance for him, it's about
us having fun, yeah, and it's.
But he still thinks that it's.
It's our sex, it's almost it'sour date as well when I'm out.
(29:49):
So he feels connected to, towhat I'm doing, but, uh, he
doesn't necessarily want to bethere or doesn't think that he
has to be there.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
This is so fascinating.
I feel like for him, it must bemore about compersion, about
he's just, he's really fulfilledand satisfied and enjoying the
process, knowing that you arereceiving pleasure from this
other person Right.
And more about that and lessabout his own fantasy, which is
(30:18):
just so fascinating to me.
I think that's, that's awesome.
But the fact that he said yousaid that this was very, very
uncomfortable for him, thatfirst time, that this was not so
much about him getting off, asit was for him to almost lean
into that discomfort in thatmoment which I've heard this so
(30:40):
many times, and this is onething you'll see from online and
hear from other people is thatreality versus fantasy is so
different when it comes to thiswhole cuckolding thing.
You watch porn.
There's the script, there's theoh my God, it's so hot and I'm
wanking off and it's just thebest orgasm of my life and it's.
(31:02):
I've dreamed about this all youknow.
All my life I'm wanting towatch my woman cuck me or
whatever.
Reality is like a whole bunchdifferent.
Like it is I mean, guys say thatthey're almost like I feel like
they're going to throw up, likeit is so uncomfortable and this
is why I talked about in thebeginning of this conversation
(31:23):
very real concerns around.
Will this damage myrelationship?
Because this is not easy forthe guy to go through.
This is something that when hedoes, he's either going to be
able to get through it or he'sjust going to freak out and be
like I cannot fucking do thisLike this is the worst thing
ever.
Whatever.
It's not easy for him no,definitely not.
(31:45):
But and I love the fact thatyou talked about like this is
not about him getting a bonerevery time you're with somebody
else or you know, talking aboutbeing with somebody else that
this is more than that, which isgreat, but I think it's like a
fascinating that he's not there,that he went through it, that
(32:07):
he it was very uncomfortable,but that he still loved it.
So what happened afterwards?
When you were, after you werewith this guy?
Was there any kind of likeaftercare you did with your cug?
Like when you came home and youtold him about it?
Was there some bonding thathappened there?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Well, yes, I mean, we , we did see each other very,
very quickly after it hadhappened, um but, um, but, and
and funny thing you say thatthat it was definitely a an
experience for him, where he hedid say after it that I'm not
sure if this is, you know, theright thing for me, if I, if I
actually really want this.
Luckily enough, it did not makeme feel like I had just damaged
(32:51):
our relationship, so it wasmore like, you know, he's not
sure if this cuckolding thing isfor him, but we were still fine
, which was lovely, so that Ididn't have to, you know, go
through the panic of like have I?
Have I destroyed this by, bydoing, because it's hard to be
the active person, it's hard tobe the one that goes through
with it, does something, andthen, you know, someone has a of
(33:15):
heart with what you did.
But quite quickly we did talkabout it.
If I remember correctly, itwasn't like we had any sort of
reclaimed sex and we still don't.
Afterwards, it was more liketalking, more like comforting
him and also, I guess, in a way,me as well as well, that you
know, it was pretty big for bothof us, um, but then it wasn't
(33:40):
too long after that that, youknow, it sort of came back to
our into our conversations againand again and it was quite
clear that you know, maybe itwas the after, you know, the
first shock, and then that thiswas maybe here to stay, and it
turns out it was so yeah, it'sso interesting how that happens
(34:02):
because I've heard that toowhere it's such an unpleasant
experience that that's theknee-jerk reaction is like, oh,
I don't think that this issomething I want to do again.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
But then funny enough , yes, funny enough, he wants to
do it again.
It's almost like you.
Just, he just got like slappedin the face by the cuckolding
fantasy and and didn't like itgetting slapped, but then all of
a sudden realized actually thatwas kind of fun, like I wanted
that again.
But anyway, I I think that'sfantastic that you guys did have
(34:37):
that kind of like um talkthrough it afterwards and then
you worked through it and andthat he was explicit about the
fact that your relationship wasokay, regardless, your
relationship was okay, cause Ithink that that you're right,
like as a woman going throughthat, being the one who's taking
the action, who's doing thething, that is such a big risk
that you take that you don'twant to hurt your partner, you
(34:58):
don't want to hurt yourrelationship, you don't want to
be the one who causes harm.
Yeah, that's not fun foranybody.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Definitely not, and it would have been devastating
if it had ended, so that youknow he would.
He was like well, I don't, Idon't think I can see you the
same way again ever, or that wehave to break up or something it
would have you know.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
It would have been devastating yeah, my first cuck
boyfriend, the one I met ontinder, the one who wanted this,
his whole fucking adult life,like absolutely desired this to
no end um, he was confusing asfuck because he would like, want
this, we would do it.
And then he would pull away andhe'd be like like just ghosting
(35:36):
, and like I was like what isgoing on?
All these like mixed signalsand stuff.
It took me forever to realizethat he was going through that
like self-hatred afterwards of Ican't believe, I'm into this, I
don't want to do this, like,and then, oh, I'm thinking about
it again, I want it, I want todo this again, nevermind what I
(35:56):
said.
Like fuck, so confusing.
Like fuck off with that shit.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I'm glad that didn't happen.
Yeah, it's not easy for them.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Oh, it's really not yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I wouldn't be able to be on his side of the his side
of the relationship.
So you know.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I can say I can say that, that I I wouldn't, you
know, I wouldn't want that yeah,I, I, I, I truly love and
admire cucks so much for havingthat mental strength to be able
to go through that and loving itat the same time and it's just
like wow.
But there is that potential fordamage.
There is that to to the, to thecuckoldress, to the cuck, to
(36:37):
the relationship.
So I don't want to downplaythat.
But, yeah, all right, where didit go from there?
So, obviously, things kind ofworked out well and you guys,
eventually, you know you weremadly in love.
You decided to get married.
Like what was all going onduring that time?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, I mean, that was just the well.
The first time was, I guess,the stepping stone and then
during the first year, almost itwas very, very active life.
I would say it was also mefiguring out what I like in
terms of this cuckoldingrelationship, what kind of guys
I like, if I can really do this,you know, with more and more
(37:18):
people, for example, or if I'm,you know, convincing myself as
well that I'm not cheatingmyself or I'm not lying to
myself that I can do this.
Yes, so it was quite an activelife we ended up doing.
I had my first threesome umquite quickly during the first
year with two guys.
(37:38):
Um.
I had my first interracial umfoursome during the first year.
Um, I had a lot of crazy thingshappen during the first year
that you would not.
You know you have a hard time.
You know comprehending ifyou're, if you're, if you're
maybe from like my circle offriends or somewhere from the
(38:02):
kind of the normal, you knowdownplaying it kind of couple
that we did quite a bit of weirdthings, but it was a very
exciting first year and thensome.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Wow, so an interracialial foursome.
Does that mean you had likefour or three black guys?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
yes, oh, wow, and and and uh.
Maybe a funny story to that wasthat they were very, they were
the big kind and um.
Actually what happened was thatI did have um two you know, I
had sex with two of them at thesame time that time, and then
(38:40):
actually my boyfriend at thetime, my husband, asked if that
happened and he asked mestraight after I came home and I
could just tell that he wassuch in a distressed state that
I actually lied to him that no,that didn't happen.
But then a few months after, Iconfessed that yes, it did, but
I that didn't happen.
But then, um a few months after, I confessed that yes, it did,
but I just didn't think he couldhandle it, handle it, but I
(39:03):
would you know, I would havesaid yes to that Um, but yes, so
I mean, I haven't been perfectat this either.
So I do admit that I have comeup with some, some white lies at
times, but it was fine in theend.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
So I'm sure he was turned on by it anyway.
Yes, yes, he was.
Yes, Well, if your pussy canhandle both those dicks, then
your cuck can handle listeningto the story.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yes, yes, it was fine .
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So these are all guys you found on Tinder, no, so?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
we found them here and there.
Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
But yes, so did you.
Did that kind of spark apreference for black guys?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
It did.
I'll have to also say that thefirst one that I was with was
did fit that picture as well,but, um, yes, I think experience
kind of dragged me there, eventhough it's not like um.
So where I live it's it's notlike, you know, half the
population is black, so it'sit's kind of hard to to find,
yeah, men like that, um, but uh,we just went through some
(40:14):
experiences, ended up in in afew parties.
They're actually, you know,becoming more and more popular
as well, and, um, I just kind ofrealized that the vibe is also
quite different.
Yes, they have just this verypositive energy, very, you know,
it's not so much about, youknow, for them to you know that
they're, you know, proud ofthemselves because they get to
(40:37):
be with a, be with a woman, butit's more like just just shared
joy and it's so.
It's so much more about, youknow, just having fun, not
really being so bothered aboutthe fact that I have a boyfriend
or getting coffee about it,that they're somehow somehow
better than my boyfriend becauseI want to be with them instead.
But it's just this vibe thatyou know, they're quite, very
(41:00):
laid back, very and very goodlovers, I have to say as well.
It's just like they're just abit more than you know, the
usual suspects.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So yeah, they're very hard to come by here where I
live too in Canada like it'sjust, there's just not a lot of
them.
But I yeah, it's funny how thathappens because, like I I it
was my first cuck boyfriend thatthat suggested I seek out black
men and I was just I had hadone or two really good
(41:36):
experiences with black menbefore that.
So I was just like, oh yeah,like I had, it was good.
So I was like, all right, sure,yeah, great idea.
And I was not exclusivelylooking for black men, um, after
that, but it just ended upbeing like the the ones not all
of them, but some of most of theones that I did, um, find and I
(41:57):
had really great experienceswith.
And you're right, they just gowith the flow, chill, kind of
like, yeah, we're good, kind ofattitude, and it was just like,
so it's such a great experiencefor all around that I just ended
up just seeking out those guys.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Pretty much the same for me.
It was just seeking out thoseguys.
Pretty much the same for me.
It was just it ended up being,yes, just a preference, also
just because of the way theywere.
So it was very, no drama, very,very laid back, you know.
You know you didn't have tothink if you're being too slutty
or you know, or anything.
It was just two people enjoyingeach other and yeah, and
actually you know being able toadmit it, that you can be like
this and just have fun, and yeah, and actually you know being
(42:35):
able to admit it that you can belike this and just have fun,
and yeah, and we both reallyenjoy it and yes, did your
husband have, uh like fantasiesabout interracial cuckolding
stuff?
not in that sense.
So he did, didn't know that.
You know, for example, where wefound these, these, um, these
(42:57):
men, that this was a thing alsoin here and that it would be
possible to have that sort ofexperience if I wanted to.
Okay, but it was the same forme.
So I have, you know, throughoutmy life I have been, you know,
drawn and drawn to, you know,like BBC porn, been drawn to,
(43:18):
you know, like BBC porn, but Ididn't really think ever that
that was for me or that it wouldbe like reality, for example,
for me, or that, you know, yeah,possible in any way.
So I didn't really have thatsort of preference.
I mean, yes, but it was alwaysthat I found it through
experience and not somepredetermined you know fetish
that, yeahish, that it must bethis way, but no, I mean, if
(43:39):
they weren't as great as Iexperienced them to be, I
wouldn't have ended up this way.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, there's a reason for it.
Yeah, Okay and then.
So when you guys were makingplans to get married and stuff
like that, did you ever thinkabout any kind of cuckolding
scenarios, fantasies around that?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well, yes, very, very funny for you to ask that,
because when I first met myboyfriend, or now husband, one
of the first resources that Idid actually find very helpful
was your podcast, so I listenedto that since I've maybe, well,
whenever it started it wasdefinitely the early years and I
(44:24):
listened to that.
There were quite a few goodepisodes about just like how
great Kirk husbands are, but youalso shared quite a bit of your
experiences, and you had this.
I remember you speaking aboutthis like wedding night fantasy,
where it was actually agangbang with a bunch of black
guys, and it so turned out to bethat I had a few lovers when I
(44:47):
got married and we were actuallythinking about that maybe I
would have had sex with one ofthose guys instead during our
wedding night.
And we even asked one of theguys that I knew and he actually
said, yes, but a few things gotin the way, but so we never
went through with that, but wewere actually very serious about
(45:09):
doing something wild like thatfor our wedding night.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
So I love that so much.
Yes, I have spoken about thatover the years.
Having a BBC gang bang on mywedding night is my biggest
fantasy that I've always had.
Who knows if it'll ever happen.
But, um, you know what's sofunny?
Uh, one of the guys from myhelpful cuck supporter tier was
telling me, I think with thisweek or last week he week he
(45:34):
said, yeah, so blackcom has anew cuckolding porn website.
It's just for cuck porn andit's called wifeycom.
And I was like okay, wifey.
And then he said he's like,yeah, there's.
I think.
He said something like there'slots of videos on there with the
he's seeing more and morevideos of the wedding night BBC
(45:57):
gangbang kind of theme going on.
I was like I wonder if I'veinfluenced this, because I've
talked about this for like adecade now.
I wonder if there's a wholebunch of people all over the
world who are thinking aboutthis specific fantasy and now
(46:18):
they're consuming all of thiswedding night BBC porn.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
But I mean that didn't happen.
But as it turns out, weactually did start a pussy free
relationship with my husbandfrom our wedding day, and what
did happen was that I ended uphaving sex with a black guy as
the last person before I gotmarried, and then with the same
guy also after I got married.
(46:45):
So so he he was still the firstone that I actually had
intercourse with after I gotmarried.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
So I love that.
That is so hot.
Um and what.
And so you guys decided that,as of your marriage, your
wedding day, that he would nolonger get sex.
So you guys had sex on yourwedding night and that was it
after that.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I know we actually didn't have sex on our wedding
night, or we did, but it wasstrap on and um all sorts of
other sex, but not not him rightum having sex with me in the
traditional way.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
So you pegged him on your wedding night?
Yes, I did and we had.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
We had some experiences with with like um
trying a pussy free relationshipbefore that um, so we did have
like a sexist september orsomething like that that we kind
of like um introduced to intoour relationship at very in the
very beginning.
But then, as as time went on,we realized that we were more
(47:46):
and more inclined that way that,um, he he would still get like
because he was never that umthat great of a lover himself
and he would always feel quite abig pressure, yeah, in relation
to intercourse and like beingable to satisfy me in the
(48:06):
traditional way.
And then then we realized thatwell, maybe starting from our
wedding would be like a you knowa big enough date to start it.
And then now it's been now it'sbeen more than two years and,
um, we're still very, very happywith that choice.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
So so you guys still have a sex life together.
It's just that your sex lifelooks different than most people
think is the default for sex,which is PIV sex.
So all you've done is like cutout the PIV sex right and but
you're still having all sorts ofother fun fulfilling,
(48:44):
satisfying sexual pleasure.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yes, and that was.
That's definitely what we bothwant.
So, you know, none of us want,you know, the whole like that.
There's nothing sexual betweenus, quite the contrary.
I mean, we are very drawn toeach other in that way and we
want to keep our relationshipthat way, that we are very, very
sexual beings and we, we loveto go to go into parties and
love experiencing you know allsorts of things, but we just
(49:10):
decided to cut cut out the uh,the PIV sex.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
And how has that been for you?
I do you feel like you'remissing out on anything with
your husband?
Speaker 2 (49:19):
No, Okay, no, it's actually been.
It's been very great to us, Imean, and I it's, it's a
philosophical sense as well toboth of us that it's it's more
like you know, I don't have to,you know, think about.
Also also, you know, giving sexto him, yeah, with these other
people, and it's just kind of,and for him as well, it's about
(49:42):
him not having to worry aboutyou know, disappointing me when
we have have sex in, you know,in the normal sense of the word,
and it's just a very how toexplain it.
It's a philosophical way tolive, it way of living as well.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
So Two of the podcasts that I listened to on
the regular Dr Justin LeeMiller's sex and psychology and
Dan Savage's Savage Lovecast andI've noticed the theme that
people need to like expand thescript or change the script when
it comes to sex, because PIVsex for women is generally not
that pleasurable for us as it isfor men, and so I've just heard
(50:24):
a lot about like couples.
Really, I mean, it would begreat to like have a month where
you don't have PIV sex andinstead, as a couple, you expand
your possibilities of tryingall of these other things, and
how beneficial that would be forcouples, and I'm like listening
to this going.
Yes, we absolutely need to dothat, Because if there's one
(50:48):
thing about cuddling that I havelearned is that this is a great
expansion of your sex life, andfor some people, it does
include actually cutting down ordecreasing the PIV sex and
having all of this other fun,whether it be some kinky stuff
like pegging or whatever, orjust learning how to eat pussy
like a champion or enjoying that, reconnecting sex afterwards or
(51:14):
whatever Lots of other thingsother than just put your dick in
me and you know in five minutesyou're going to have an orgasm
and I won't that kind of thingand so, like I love hearing
about this and there's but Ishould say there's also this
very like common misconceptionthat cucks don't have sex with
(51:35):
their wife and that in mostcuckolding relationships there's
this very hard and fast rule ofno PIV.
She does not want to have sexwith him, she has no interest in
that, and blah, blah, blah andhe's just basically left out of
the sexual equation.
And that's not true.
I would say definitely the mostcommon situation with cuckolding
(51:59):
couples out there is that theystill have a very healthy,
robust, PIV sex life togetherand for anybody listening
doesn't know what PIV meanspenis and vagina, that's the
like typical default sex thing,whatever.
But but for couples who doengage in this kind of like
sexual denial PIV sexual denialso many times he's not left out
(52:24):
of the sexual equation that thismeans it's actually lots of fun
for him in many different waysand I love and adore that you
guys have gone there and donethat and that it's benefited in
your relationship, right?
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yes, yes definitely, and I mean for him example, for
example, he, he, he comes veryquickly.
So if we do have, or if we hadhad, sex, you know sometimes
time that it was less than aminute and he was ready to come,
or something like that at theend where we decided to give up
(52:58):
on PIViv sex, you know, I didn'teven have time to come myself,
even going, yeah, quite quick,quick, normally to to have an
orgasm and quite easy to do so.
But I didn't have, you know,time for it and, um, it was just
it.
It took away a lot of the noisein in the sexy.
It kind of opened up both ofour eyes to you know what else
(53:19):
is there for us and and that weweren't always so focused on, on
just that.
And I mean I, I'm the one youknow sort of to blame there as
well that I grew up in a societywhere I used to think that way
as well.
Like, you know, if I wentwithout a week, you know,
without having like the normalpenetrative sex, I thought that
you know what's wrong with me,you know why doesn't he want me,
(53:43):
for example?
Like it was a measure of, youknow, a successful sex life,
right, and you know I was happyto you know kind of, you know,
reintroduce that whole world,that you know what if it's not
about you know the penetrationitself, but what if it's, you
know everything else, and thatit doesn't have to be so.
You know intercourse focused.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yes, Uh, yes, I love this.
Um, have there been anyinstances where he's like, oh, I
really want to have PIB sexwith you tonight and you were
like no not really.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
I mean some, but they they're they haven't been, you
know, a serious at all.
I would say so just like youknow, kind of like you know a
very, very small instance, butwe both know that that wasn't a
very serious moment of like.
Should we reconsider this, thischoice that we've made?
So, no, not at all.
Actually, I've been very, very,very proud of him that it
(54:38):
hasn't been about me having todeny him because I'm I'm not
that kind of a.
I've been very, very, veryproud of him that it hasn't been
about me having to deny himbecause I'm not that kind of a
person.
I'm not like a very you knowdominatrix.
You know I enjoy denying himthings.
You know being ruthless type ofperson.
Quite the contrary.
I'm like, if I see you thatyou're actually really
struggling, then I want to bringit up and you know be like are
(54:59):
you OK?
Like, are you really fine?
I, I want to bring it up andyou know be like are you okay?
Like, are you really fine?
Do you want to continue this orare you suffering?
So I'm very proud of him thatit hasn't been like a lot of
begging or a lot of like.
You know, I want you to say noto me and I want you to you know
, be rough with me, that youknow that hasn't entered the
equation, so I'm very proud himdoes he like do you guys do
(55:20):
chastity at all?
um, a little bit.
We're, we're getting there.
So he has a, he has a chastitybelt and and we've, we've, uh,
started to experiment with it sothat, um, he would be, but, but
that is a desire for both of us, that we would like to
introduce that more and more forour relationship, and he does,
he does enjoy it, and we found acage that fits in them.
(55:43):
So, yes, it's just about youknow, having having the uh, the
guts to actually try it out abit more.
Yes, you know, to go through afew hours in the public, for
example, or at home for a full,you know, a whole day or
something.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, Are there any other things, fantasies, desires
that you are, that you wouldlike to have realized in the
next little while or a few years?
Or is there, like a bucket list, that you have going on?
Speaker 2 (56:12):
We do have, you know, a kind of a bucket list.
It's it's more about, you know,things that we have talked
about, maybe not so much likethe, the ultimate things that we
want to do, but you know, we'vetalked about quite a bit
because he's um, a little bit oflike um by, by, curious, within
the cuckolding um aspect, sonot not really by, but enjoys
(56:36):
the idea of like, beingsubmissive to a, to a better man
, for example.
So we have thought about, youknow what, if I saw him with
another guy, like, yeah, see mewith another guy.
So maybe that's something thatwe want to want to do, that I
see him being a little, you know, a little sissy to a proper guy
, and things like that.
(56:57):
But, yes, how do you feel aboutthat?
Very excited, very excited.
I would be thrilled, I would beeasily turned on by that and,
yes, I know that it would be hotto see that.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
Wow, and you said so.
He's watched you with a blackguy once, yes, once, yes, and
that was at a sex club orsomething.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yes, it was a party.
It was a BBC, cuckolding BBCtype of party, so mainly hot
wives and black men, which wasactually a very refreshing
experience as well to see thatin real life as a, as a, you
know, publicly announced party.
Yes, which which made me feelas as if, you know, the black
(57:46):
guys also want it, and it wasorganized by this um, by this
group of black men, so it mademe feel like I'm not doing
anything wrong here by wantingthis sort of interaction myself
either.
That it's it's actuallysomething that they want as well
.
Yeah, um, that it doesn't,because I mean, these things do
come with a bit of a you know,is this really right?
Or, yes, you know, should thisbe, you know?
Speaker 1 (58:07):
do you still struggle with that like the moral
dilemma?
Speaker 2 (58:12):
not so much anymore, not so much anymore.
After I've seen so much of it,you know, unfolding, you know,
in front of my own, it's notthat much of an issue anymore.
It was in the beginning becauseI, you know, it was a bit of a
you know, are we, you know,being rude or insensitive or
whatever?
Speaker 1 (58:32):
At that party when your husband was watching you.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Was that weird, like was it odd watching you Was that
weird, like, was it odd.
It was scary at first, notnecessarily scary, but it was,
it was.
It was nerve wracking, um, buteven that, that quite went the
way I expected.
So it wasn't like you know himjerking off in a corner in a
(58:58):
cock chair of a hotel room, butit was.
It was more more of him, justyou know, watching and being,
quite, you know, unbothered in acock chair of a hotel room, but
it was, it was more more of him, just you know, watching and
being quite, you know,unbothered in a good way, I
guess you know, just taking itall in.
But you know, without anypressure on him either, that he
should be a certain way.
Yeah, and I didn't expect himto be a certain way when he was
watching me.
So I didn't, you know, feel letdown when he wasn't jerking off
(59:18):
when he was watching that itfelt quite natural that it
happened the way it did, that itis the first time you're seeing
your, you know your belovedpartner with anyone that you
know it might be.
You know you might be closer tothrowing up than you know.
(59:39):
Yes, yes, no matter how muchyou've heard about it or you
know seeing some videos at times, but it might still be pretty,
pretty, pretty, a big thing.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
So at that party were you able to meet other couples
and talk to other people in thesame lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yes, yes, we did, and that was very eyeopening as
well, cause we don't we don'treally have a community where
know where we're from.
So, yeah, it was.
It was very nice to be actuallyto be able to speak, to speak
to other people that are like usand enjoy the same things and,
you know, kind of get thefeeling that this is, this is
perfectly fine and this isnormal and and um, yeah, it was,
(01:00:15):
it was very nice um, I want togo back a little bit to that uh
document that you guys made thathad your rules, your boundaries
, your limits, your expectationsand all of that on there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Was that just something that you used in the
beginning, or is that a documentthat you still use today?
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I would have to say we used it in the beginning and
since then quite a bit of therules have relaxed quite a bit,
but with good intention and withus thinking about them.
So it hasn't been just like weforgot about them, but it's just
something that we have thoughtabout that maybe this is not so
(01:00:58):
important anymore anymore, thatmaybe we don't have to be this
strict um anymore, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
So would you recommend that for other couples
, or is there any other helpfuladvice that you would give to
couples like that, um, who arethinking about doing this
together?
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I would.
I would really recommend it,not necessarily, you know, you
don't have to come up with adocument, but I think it was
just.
It just helped us to reallyreally talk about things.
So it's really considered sothat we didn't, you know, just
rush into something withoutactually thinking about it.
So you know we had to, you know, voice our concerns, both of
(01:01:39):
our concerns, and be very clearabout, for example, you know we
had to, you know, voice ourconcerns, both of our concerns,
and be very clear about, forexample, you know, protection
very.
You know minute issues, like youknow.
Should you always useprotection?
Should you always tell theother person when you're seeing
someone, or you know what, ifsomeone, when they've been horny
, they've said that I'd like you, you know, you just sometimes
tell me about it afterwards, butis that really what they're
(01:02:02):
thinking, or would they stillactually want to know beforehand
, for example?
Or just basically all the rulesthat you can think of or all
the concerns that I wouldrecommend it, because I don't
think that you can be toocareful when you're starting
this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
You can be too careful when you're starting
this thing.
Yeah, I know I've heard of oneother couple who did a document
together and they basically likecame up with all of the
scenarios that might happen intheir mind, like what happens if
this happens, and everythinglike that, and they came up with
this document and they wouldeach like go through each one of
those scenarios or questions orissues that might come up and
(01:02:40):
they would write it out likeexactly this is what we would do
, kind of like this is what Iforesee, blah, blah, blah.
And it helped them kind of feelprepared for going into this
together.
Okay, we've thought about that,we've talked about that.
This is kind of how weanticipate it going if that
happens, kind of thing, and Ithink that is really helpful for
(01:03:00):
couples and so if anybody'slistening who thinks that that
might be a good idea?
go for it, do it.
Yes, okay, that's it for theshow.
We've run out of time.
Emma, I am so grateful for youto come on the show and share
your story.
This has been such a greatexperience to be able to hear it
(01:03:20):
from your perspective and thejourney that you've been on, all
of the things that you guyslike to do together and how your
relationship has evolved.
It's been fascinating for me,so I have really enjoyed this.
Thank you so much for comingonto the show.
Thank you so much as well.
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