October 25, 2025 • 45 mins
Zack joins Venus to talk about how his patient devotion and a wife’s curiosity led to a first BBC experience that was hot, intense, and imperfect, and then map the fixes: clearer roles, gentle involvement, and real aftercare. Power exchange, chastity, and trust reshape what intimacy looks like without traditional PIV sex.
Also discussed:
• vetting bulls and filtering poor etiquette
• feeling overwhelmed without jealousy and stepping back
• missed aftercare and how to repair it
• power exchange dynamics and reward releases
• redefining intimacy without PIV sex
• planning involvement and soft landings next time
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Here's a look at what's coming up on the show.
SPEAKER_02 (00:05):
Yeah, oh yeah.
It's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
But you guys still have PIV sex, right?
Still have dick and pussy sex.
SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
No, oh no.
I haven't had that in probablytwo years.
SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:18):
Okay, but you were talking about like reclamation
sex after the black guy.
Was is that that's off the tablenow?
You guys don't that's not anoption.
SPEAKER_02 (00:26):
No, that uh well I meant looking clear.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Okay.
So clue Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
Is that not allowed?
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
Oh no, no, that's definitely allowed.
SPEAKER_02 (00:37):
Okay, because I'm real hunger afterwards.
SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
Real hungry.
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SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
Let's go.
SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
Welcome to the show.
I'm your host, Venus.
Thanks for joining me today.
I have a guy named Zach who'sgonna share his story today.
And holy shit, it's actually avery surprising story because I
did not realize how kinky theywere until like halfway through
the conversation.
Anyway, it's such a great storyabout getting cucked for your
(01:42):
first time by a beautiful blackbull and what that was actually
really like for this newbiecouple.
So it's a great, interestingstory.
I think you really like it.
Um, but first before we get intoit, um, I recently did a live
chat in the Queen's Quarterscommunity, and the topic was how
to get your wife intointerracial cuckolding.
(02:06):
And so, if this is a desire thatyou have, what are some tips?
What's some advice about how doyou actually make this happen?
And you know, what what do youwhat kinds of things do you need
to think about and how do youapproach that?
And so I was um joined by AnneCuckoldress and uh Crystal
Welch, and it was such a greatconversation, even though it was
(02:26):
a live event, it was recorded,and the recordings are available
for replay to my podcastsupporters.
So any tier, there's two tiers,and both get access to any of
the live um event replays thathappen in the Queen's Quarters
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(02:48):
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And there's of course lots ofother perks as well.
Um, and then also I just did oneof my weekly live hangouts with
my Helpful Cut group, and I dothis every week.
I sit down with them and we havesuch a fun little chat together.
(03:11):
It's about an hour long, and umI wanted to update them on my
weekend recently.
Recently, I went on a trip.
I went to go see um my one of myfavorite bulls, Mo from San
Diego, and it was his birthdayweekend, and fuck me, I had such
a great time.
(03:31):
It was so awesome.
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(03:52):
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(04:14):
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that'll be coming up soon.
So make sure you check that.
Okay, that's it forannouncements.
(04:35):
Let's jump into the show today.
Here we go.
Joining me on the show, I have aguest named Zach, and he's gonna
be talking about his story as acuck.
Zach, welcome to the show.
I'm happy to have you here.
Say hello to all the listeners.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Hi, thank you, Venus.
Hey guys.
SPEAKER_00 (04:59):
Now, I put a call out on social media.
I think it was on Instagram andBlue Sky.
I tried to post it on uh Reddit,but Reddit moderators blocked
it.
They like removed it.
I'm like, fuckers.
Anyway, uh, so I put a post outthere saying that I would really
like to find a guest who's gonnatalk about how post nut regret
(05:23):
or post nut clarity has affectedhis uh cuck holding fantasies or
reality experiences, that sortof thing.
And Zach, you were one of thefirst people to respond.
Actually, I think it was yourwife who who responded and was
like, you need to talk to myhusband.
So I can't wait to get into thiswith you.
(05:45):
Thank you so much for forjoining the show today.
Um, we're gonna talk about allof that, but first let's start
about, let's just start withyour your story about how you
got into cuckolding, what thatrelationship looks like, where
you guys are at today with it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:05):
Uh Venus is kind of a weird, weird scenario.
Um I've always been like a guy'sguy and like a player.
Always had you know a ton ofgirlfriends, blah blah blah.
I finally settled down and Ifound the one, and I was like,
(06:26):
man, she needs more, she needsmore.
And uh it took a lot ofconversations, a lot of hard
talks, a lot of your podcastsfor being honest, a lot of your
podcast, and she's like, Is thiswhat you really want?
I'm like, I can't explain it.
(06:48):
It's just it's something I wantto give to you, and and she's
like, What do you want inreturn?
She's thinking, girls or youknow, three sums of girls.
Yeah, no, none of that.
No, I'm just I just want you tofeel like a princess and then
come home and the house be cleanand like you're just happy.
That's all I want.
(07:09):
And she's like, This is weird.
I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, andthe whole time she's like,
What's the catch?
What's the catch?
I'm like, there is no catch.
And uh, so how I gotta turn onto it.
We we we did a lot of podcasts,a lot of sex books.
Thank you, Amazon, for all yourporn.
(07:33):
Um honestly, it was the podcasthearing her listen to the other
people and the husbands and thewives, and everyone has the same
idea.
It it just it just worked.
And um, that's kind of how wegot into it.
And before we got into it, shewas like, Okay, well, let's post
(07:57):
some pictures.
So we started doing like aTinder profile and then OnlyFans
and then like a fat life thing,and that kind of eased her into
it.
And she's like, Wow, there's alot of comments.
I'm like, Yeah, I told youyou're hot.
That's kind of why I marriedyou.
And she's like, Yeah, but whatdo you want?
I'm like, I just want you to behappy.
And she's like, This is soweird, and it's it's so funny.
(08:24):
Just like literally three daysago, I went down to her for like
20 minutes and I stopped.
And she was like, that wasamazing.
And she was like, What do youwant in return?
I'm like, nothing.
As long as you're happy, I'mhappy.
Like that, your happiness bringsme to so much pleasure, I can't
even explain it.
(08:45):
It's such it's such a bigfeeling.
So, anyways, for about we'vebeen together eight years now.
So, like the first three or fouryears, it was a lot of social
media, pictures, fet life, andjust talking.
And uh then it kind of got tothe point where it's like, okay,
(09:08):
we're gonna have to do this, andthen it came down to finding a
bull, and that's a hard thing todo.
Yeah, it's like you have thisguy that you picture that's
polite and does the right thingsand makes the right moves.
It's so hard to find.
(09:29):
So hard to find.
You know, you got the big guywith the big muscles, and he's
got the tiny dick, or you gotthe guy with a huge slung, and
he can't even keep aconversation or know what wine
to order at dinner, you know.
So it's it it's a struggle.
So uh my thought was let's go toa swingers club.
(09:52):
Never been there.
As soon as we posted ourpictures, we start getting hit.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Half of them, I'm like, I wantto throw up.
Like, I I can do this.
Like, I am a white male, I'mvery attractive, I have a six
pack, I work a labor job, I'mvery good looking.
(10:14):
I don't have a small dick, Ihave a seven-inch dick.
To me, that feels small, youknow, but but it's not I know my
worth, okay.
And then we start getting thesehits, and it's like gross,
gross, gross, gross, gross.
And this one black guy creepsthrough, just so smooth, so
(10:35):
smooth, and he was like, We needa link up.
I show the pictures, and she'slike, Well, fuck, he's really
fit, and she's like, Well fuck,I'm 30.
He's like 22.
I'm like, I I understand that.
Like, he still wants to hook up,and she's like, How do you send
(10:57):
some more pictures?
Send some more pictures.
She's like, Okay, I'm down.
So then it's like, are we goingto the club or are we just gonna
hook up?
Yeah, and her thought is, let'sjust go to the club, have a good
time.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, honey.
You're gonna see these nastypeople, and you're gonna be like
(11:17):
so grossed out.
How about I just get a hotelroom that's super fancy, make it
spectacular, and you enjoy yourtime.
And she's like, What are yougonna do?
I'm like, I'm gonna watch you.
So that's what we did.
And uh we matched this back andforth, and uh, we get a hotel
room, and it was awesome, superawesome hotel.
(11:41):
I'd want to tell you where itis, but it would tell you where
I live.
It's amazing, it's likeliterally people can hear you
walking around the thing.
It is it is spectacular.
It for her first experience, itwas probably the best thing
ever.
And uh, so we got up there and Idid my thing.
(12:03):
Uh I figured ready, helps herwith the lingerie, she gets all
dolled up, it's perfect,perfect, perfect.
Looks awesome between stockingsand everything else.
Amazing.
Um knocks on the door, my heartdrops.
I'm like, oh fuck, here we go.
(12:25):
Here we go.
Here we go.
He comes in, and uh, she'sblindfolded.
She wanted to be blindfolded forsome reason.
That was her thing.
I don't know why.
But uh I felt like that was kindof like part of her thinking she
wasn't cheating, which I kepttelling her it wasn't, but that
was like her way of like youknow, I don't know.
(12:48):
So he walks him, I start goingdown on her, get her nice and
ready, and I pull back, and hemoves in, and it's just like a
whole different thing afterthat.
It's stuff I've never seen.
I didn't know her toes couldcurl that way.
(13:10):
Like, yeah, and like, bro,you've been here like five
minutes, and it was just oh, Imean he left a hand print in her
ass for probably three days.
Oh shit, yes, and and I thinkthe best position was probably
missionary because he was justgoing down and her toes I've
(13:35):
never seen like that.
Her nails on the back of hisback just oh my god, it was
intense.
SPEAKER_00 (13:44):
So, what were you doing this time?
You were sitting there watching,were you like jerking off, or
were you just sitting there?
Like, what were you doing?
SPEAKER_02 (13:53):
So, right before you came in, I said, I'm gonna get
horny as fuck.
I said, I have to put the cageon.
And she said, Okay, okay, so putthe cage on.
And I watched for probably 20minutes, and then I realized
this was gonna take a long time.
This guy was not gonna finishanytime soon.
(14:14):
So I I I just had to step back,it was too much.
It it and it wasn't I wasn'tangry, it was just like it was a
lot, it was a lot to take in.
It was a lot of like, wow, she'snever experienced this before.
Like she's doing things andsaying things she's never done
(14:35):
before.
So I just I kind of walked backtowards the back of the hotel,
and I just I kind of gave myselfsome time.
And then I turn back around andshe's taking the con him off,
and it's just all in her mouth,everything.
Like oh, he came in her mouth.
Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (14:56):
Yes, oh, yes, and that was it, and it was uh did
she snowball it into your mouth?
SPEAKER_02 (15:06):
Uh yes, I knew it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
Okay, and you still hadn't jerked off by that point.
You're still like super horny,right?
SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
Correct.
Okay, so but then but it's thesame thing I've all experienced.
Once she's done, she's done.
So like after the snowball, it'slike she's like, I'm tired, I've
had to get doled up, drive outhere, it's been three hours, I'm
(15:38):
tired.
Yeah, so like we we we didn'thave a good reclaiming part of
it.
Okay, and it's been some time,but then it's been like she
starts seeing these signs, likewhere if she lets me do a couple
things for her, and like if shewants to do this, she's like,
Wow, this is much happier.
(16:00):
So uh that's kind of where we'reat.
We're kind of like on the rink,she's not all in her biggest
downfall.
Oh, I say this, she likes whiteguys, but as soon as they get
into the bedroom, she hateswhite guys.
And I'm like, well, I don't knowwhat you want me to say about
(16:21):
that.
She's like, they're all weird.
I'm like, I know.
Like, like, no, like you don'twant to meet their mom.
Like, you just want to getdicked down.
Like, it's such a weird thing.
The black guards are like, hey,just want to look out, like,
let's do it.
Like, hey, let's just, yeah.
(16:43):
Like, no, like, no connections.
I'm worried when this white guy,she's like, Oh, we're gonna go
to Kinston Garden Mara, or someweird shit.
Like, it's it's so awkward.
The black guys are just sosmooth, just like and her
(17:03):
biggest fear is she's like, OnceI do this, I'll be addicted.
I'm like, well, okay, do it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
So I've yeah, I've heard that before uh from women
in that they're very scared thatit will be so good and so fun
and so great that it will be adetrimental to their
relationship.
And that's valid.
That is valid because for a lotof women, this feels like the
(17:32):
non-monogamy part feels likeplaying with fire.
Like, yes, it's fun and it'sthrilling, and it's all of those
things, but at what point do youget burned?
You must get burned if you'replaying with fire.
So I understand that.
Was that originally what whatwas her biggest fear?
Or like in the beginning, whenyou when you said, you know, you
(17:54):
guys started really slowly justwith with um pictures and stuff
like that.
Was that her setting the pace?
Or were you like ready to divein with the green light?
SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
I've always been ready to dive in.
I I think the biggest issue isuh, and it's hard to explain.
Uh at one point she's saying forher to have sex with someone,
she needs like a connection,like a vibe, yeah, like this
thing.
But then once she has a blackdick in front of her, she
doesn't care.
(18:25):
She blindfolded.
So it's like so it's veryconfusing.
So I don't know that that's myanswer, Vienna.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (18:37):
I mean, I'm assuming you guys have had a lot of
conversations over the yearsabout her, you know, the
concerns that she has, the fearsthat she may have.
And I'm assuming with all ofthese steps that you've taken to
sort of get to where you areright now, there's been
conversations around that.
Uh, how do you navigate thattogether?
(19:00):
How do you guys, is it just amatter of setting boundaries and
limits and rules in order tofeel safe with the level of risk
in each step that you take, orwhat's it been like for you?
SPEAKER_02 (19:14):
You know, honestly, it's kind of been like I pushed
the first one and she she wentthrough with it and she loved
it.
But uh it's like I think she'swanting more of a boy boyfriend
experience, like she's wantingmore, I don't know how to
explain it.
She's wanting more likeconnection and maybe more than
(19:35):
just a one-time thing.
SPEAKER_00 (19:36):
Right.
And how does that make you feelwhen she's saying she wants
that?
SPEAKER_02 (19:43):
Oh, that doesn't bar me at all.
That's no, that's that's allgood.
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Is there any part of you that's scared that she will
like fall in love with somebodyelse?
SPEAKER_02 (19:51):
Um no, no, it's because at the end of the day,
she's mine.
Yeah, um, yeah, he may make hercome better or this or that, or
make her pussy wet, but I'mthere every day.
I take care of the kids, I dothe work, I uh I make sure she's
got everything taken care of,and that's not something a
(20:13):
bull's gonna do.
That's the difference between acuck and a bull.
Yeah, a bull's gonna get his,he's gonna get his, he's gonna
get what he wants, but youcan't.
I don't think you can have both.
Because I'm so focused on her,like at all times.
So uh, no, that doesn't worryme.
(20:33):
It worries her, and maybe Ishould worry about that, but I
guess I don't.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
Uh you mentioned that like when she was, when you
guys had your first cuck holdingexperience where she had this
black bull and she wasblindfolded, and this guy was
gonna fuck for hours.
Um, that it was overwhelming foryou at a certain point when it
felt like the first 20 minuteshad gone by and you were like,
oh god, this is you know, notgonna end anytime soon.
(21:02):
You mentioned that you had justkind of had to pull back a
little bit and collect yourthoughts.
What was going through your mindat that time?
SPEAKER_02 (21:13):
Um, it was just like, wow, how can you keep
going?
Like, it's just going and goingand going.
But what I've come to realize isI'm like hyper sexualized by
her.
Like, she really turns me on.
So, like, I get it why I come sofast.
(21:33):
Like, I honey, four hours?
That's that's a bit much.
Like, let's go for 15 minutes.
Like, it's but I saw in thatevening the legs shake,
everything trembling, the thingsshe said, never with me, never
ever, ever, but that's okay.
(21:54):
And I I'm accepting that, andthat's that's a hard thing to
do, it really is, to just man upand be like, hey, this is what
it is.
SPEAKER_00 (22:02):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I agree with you on that.
So, you guys didn't really havea plan for aftercare.
You talked about the rereclaiming that that didn't
happen because she was tired.
But did you guys discussanything like this is what we
should do after to reconnect oranything like that?
Or you're just gonna we're sofocused on her fucking this
(22:22):
other dude that you hadn'tthought about it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:25):
We hadn't thought about it.
Yeah, and that was that was thatwas the the downfall.
SPEAKER_00 (22:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:32):
And that was that was on me.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
I'm not surprised.
So many guys get so focused onthe her fucking the other dude
that forget about everythingafterwards.
That's also important.
SPEAKER_02 (22:44):
Well, I'm also I'm I'm a little ashamed because
like I done my research, I knowwhat to do.
Uh a lot of it, like I think apart of it was this guy was so
focused on just banging her clitthat he didn't give a shit about
anything else.
I think if there was a little Ithink she wanted some
(23:05):
interaction and I could havebeen more of a cuck in that
moment, because that's kind ofmy thing.
I I definitely am a cuck.
I would have done some stuff,like you know, licking it while
he's fucking her or whatever.
It was total like no off done.
So I I guess I didn't know howto reconnect after that.
(23:26):
Okay.
Like if you would have involvedme just just a smidge, just a
smidge, I could have kind ofworked it a little bit, but uh
yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
And so afterwards, you were all right, you were
horny, she was spent, she waslike, I'm tired, and you're just
all worked up because you've youknow been in chastity for that
whole time.
At what point did you get arelease, or did you?
SPEAKER_02 (23:49):
Oh, I didn't until we got home.
SPEAKER_00 (23:51):
Okay.
Was it amazing when you finallydid come?
SPEAKER_02 (23:55):
Yes, but I came while they were playing around.
So like I already got myrelease.
Wait, what?
SPEAKER_00 (24:01):
You came when you were in your cage?
SPEAKER_02 (24:03):
Yes, just watching them.
SPEAKER_00 (24:07):
Oh, that's so awesome.
It was like dribbling out.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
Oh it was spewing, it wasn't dribbling.
SPEAKER_00 (24:16):
Oh shit.
So you're good.
So do okay, but posting thatregret, did you did it make you
feel different after?
Or was that at the 20-minutemark where you were like, damn,
like no?
SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
I I honestly like uh I loved every moment of it.
I get I just I do I wish for alittle more interaction just to
have that connection, andnothing in like a buy away or
anything like that, just justsomething to where like the cuts
involved.
Lick this, do that, you know.
(24:50):
Right.
Little little more something.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
But that was not something that you guys
discussed in advance where youwere like, This is what I think
I would like.
SPEAKER_02 (24:59):
I'll be honest, she was a trooper.
Uh, we didn't discuss anything.
She was like, just find a blackguy, let's do it.
I'm like, okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Okay, so a lot a lot could have gone wrong there, but
it seemed like it happened, itfluked out.
You guys did good, it worked outokay.
Just wasn't like the best thatit could have been.
SPEAKER_02 (25:17):
Correct.
Okay, correct.
Um, it's just me complaining.
Yeah, she was very happy.
SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Okay, and so you've kind of fluked out.
You found that one guy.
Are you guys gonna see himagain?
Like, what happened to him?
He seemed like he was prettygood.
SPEAKER_02 (25:34):
You know, he deleted his Fet Life account, we can't
find him again.
So uh, and uh we're trying,we're working on Fet Life.
Man, there's a lot of creepsover there, though.
SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
Oh, yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_02 (25:50):
And it and that's the hardest part about
cuckolding.
Like, you've loved this personso much, you cherish them, you
literally worship them, youthink they're pussies like the
best thing ever.
You don't want no gross shit.
Like, yeah, it's that's tough.
SPEAKER_00 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean, that's probably one of the biggest
complaints I hear uh from peopleacross, you know, everywhere in
the last decade.
I've heard it a gazillion timesabout how difficult it is to
find the right kind of bull thatpeople are looking for.
So I get it.
Um I think it is a lot to askfrom a complete stranger that
(26:32):
you know you want them to checkoff your laundry list of wants,
desires, and needs and stufflike that.
Um, and it's you know, it isit's when somebody who's just
you know looking to do this forfun, so who knows whatever
happened to him.
I wonder if he like got agirlfriend and monogamous and
had to, you know, delete it all.
Who the fuck knows?
That's too bad.
(26:53):
You guys had something good andthen you lost him.
SPEAKER_02 (26:57):
Oh no, I know.
Uh uh drives me nuts.
SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
Yeah.
But she's good with doing itagain, like she wants to do this
again.
SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
Oh yes.
So she's so down.
No, yeah, she's back on FatLife, posting pictures.
She's she's ready to go.
Okay.
She had yeah, I think she had togo through a period of like
realizing I'm not gonna get mad.
SPEAKER_00 (27:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
But uh, she's good.
It's just uh she she wants theright guy, which I get.
SPEAKER_00 (27:33):
Yeah.
And so it's almost well, wereyou were you the one who was
like, oh, why don't you look forblack guys, or was that
something that was like heridea?
SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
Oh, it was my idea.
It's gonna sound terrible.
We did attend her, and it was abunch of white guys, and she was
like, Oh, they're all weird.
She doesn't want someone to callher mommy, she just wants dig
down.
SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
Do the white guys call her mommy?
SPEAKER_02 (28:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
What?
SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
Like she like she just wants some guy to manhandle
her, take her pussy, and makeher a squirt.
SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
And it's like, where's the button for that?
I don't know where that is onTinder.
It's not.
Oh, well, it's funny.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
Yeah.
Um, my own experiences oflooking for black guys on Tinder
uh has been really shitty.
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
Like, not yeah, yeah, not great.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Although I've not had a lot of luck with Fet Life
either.
Um, so I don't really know thatthere's a great spot to be able
to find somebody.
Um, you kind of like have tojust lead through the sea of
shit out there.
SPEAKER_02 (28:52):
Like you're the sea of shit.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
The boys calling you mommy and like the fucking
weirdness and like yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:02):
Yeah.
unknown (29:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:04):
Yeah, it's yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:06):
Oh, well, I feel for you on that part of it.
But um, so it's does she have aninterest in black guys now?
Like I saw, I think I saw on herFet Life that she's wears like
Queen of Spades stuff.
Is that just for like fun or isshe really invested in that?
SPEAKER_02 (29:21):
Well no, she's invested, but but like okay,
she's totally invested, but thatshe's also like really on point.
She's like, no socks, the sockscan't be open.
SPEAKER_00 (29:37):
I feel you.
Oh my god, I feel you.
SPEAKER_02 (29:40):
Uh she's like, why is this so hard?
I'm like, I don't know.
I I don't know.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (29:48):
I I don't understand it.
And I know a lot of you guyslistening right now, uh, you
know this about me.
I fucking can't stand it whenguys keep their socks on.
Like your wife doesn't.
Took three hours to get ready,shaving half her body, putting
on the most beautiful, expensivelingerie.
Thank you.
Perfume and makeup, mean lashes,getting her hair done, getting
(30:11):
her nails done, her pedicuredone, doing all of this shit.
Do you think that she's gonnaput leave her socks on?
Her fucking tennis socks?
Oh my, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_02 (30:22):
Yes.
Thank you.
Literally, this weekend she'sgetting her hair and nails done.
It's like$900.
SPEAKER_00 (30:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:29):
And she's like, all these guys are with their socks.
I'm like.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
I know the effort is so ridiculous.
All you have to do is wear somedecent underwear, not shit with
holes in it, and take yourfucking socks off.
Like, I don't understand.
SPEAKER_02 (30:47):
That's her only thing with the black eyes.
She's like, the socks.
The socks.
SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
I know.
And they're like, but my feetget cold.
Like, uh, hello.
Like, my feet get cold.
I don't give a f.
I'm like, you don't see me withmy fucking Nike socks on.
Like, like, what?
Yeah, I don't, I don'tunderstand that.
I never will.
And I think it just but everytime I see it in porn, um,
(31:13):
especially amateur porn, I'mjust like, for fuck's sakes,
take the fucking socks off.
I've even seen guys with theirleave their shoes on, they're
completely butt naked except fortheir socks and their shoes.
They're like, what are youdoing?
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
Yes.
What what is that?
Like the little slip slantelthings?
What what is that?
That's that is crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
I mean, I I kind of think it's hot if like a woman
keeps like her beautifulstilettos on when she's getting
fucked, because like we all wantto see that, those feet in the
air.
Anyway, I wanted to ask youabout chastity.
So was that your idea where youdid you bring that up to her?
And I'm what was her reaction inthe beginning?
And what is how does she feelabout it now?
SPEAKER_02 (31:54):
Um, it was my idea in the beginning.
Uh, but then once I did it, sheloved it.
And I became so like, I don'tknow the word is just like
wanting to please her.
She loved it.
And we've done it ever since.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
So how long does she keep you locked for?
SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Oh, all the time.
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Oh, all the time.
But she must unlock yousometimes.
SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Oh shit.
Oh, you guys just like went fullon, like wow.
SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
It's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
But you guys still have PIV sex, right?
Still have dick and pussy sex.
SPEAKER_02 (32:34):
No, oh no.
I haven't had that in probablytwo years.
SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
Okay, but you were talking about like reclamation
sex after the black guy.
Was is that that's off the tablenow?
You guys don't that's not anoption.
SPEAKER_02 (32:48):
No, that uh well, I meant licking her.
SPEAKER_00 (32:51):
Okay.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (32:53):
Uh uh.
Is that not allowed?
SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
Oh no, no, that that's definitely allowed.
SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
Okay, because I because I'm real hungier
afterwards.
SPEAKER_00 (33:03):
Real hungry.
She's just looking at me, honey.
I don't need to sit on yourface.
Yeah.
Okay, so two years you haven'thad PIV sex.
So, okay, answer the fuck thisquestion for me because I have
so many people think that if youstop having PIV sex as a married
(33:25):
couple, that that is the sign ofsomething really wrong in your
relationship.
Like things have to eventuallygo sour between the two of you.
What are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_02 (33:37):
My thoughts are she came home, I think it was Monday
or Tuesday.
Bad day, just work sucked,pissed off.
She sat down.
I looked at her pussy for like30 minutes, just nonstop, just
going at it.
And she's like, that's the bestthing ever.
SPEAKER_00 (33:56):
Love it.
So she's sat happy, satisfied,fulfilled.
And you, I'm assuming, are too.
Do you feel like you're missingout?
SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
I mean, I I feel like I'm missing out, but like
that's kind of the part of thekink.
SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:13):
So no, I'm I'm good.
I'm good.
SPEAKER_00 (34:17):
So are you allowed to like jerk off once in a
while?
Or like how do you get arelease?
She pegs you?
SPEAKER_02 (34:23):
I only do that.
She doesn't like that.
Uh she no, not it's too muchwork on her part.
So she's like, no.
She's never tried it.
Uh we did it once.
She just, she's just like, thisis a lot of work.
She's like, I'm a mistress.
You should worship me.
I'm like, okay, well, wellfucking shit.
SPEAKER_00 (34:46):
So so how often do you get a release?
How do you get a release?
SPEAKER_02 (34:51):
Uh like cleaning or doing chores.
SPEAKER_00 (34:55):
Okay.
So as a reward.
SPEAKER_02 (34:58):
Yes, correct.
SPEAKER_00 (34:59):
Okay.
And that'll just be you allowedto jerk off, or does like she
jerk you off or something?
Like, how does that work?
SPEAKER_02 (35:07):
Uh no, it's me jerking off.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Okay.
So I think I kind of figured outthe stuff.
So she is really into the powerexchange.
She's really into like some realfemdomy parts of the
relationship.
But she's not fully signed in tothe cuckolding part yet.
SPEAKER_02 (35:29):
Uh she's getting there, and it's gonna be there.
It's just it's just a matter oftime.
SPEAKER_00 (35:36):
So the next time that you guys do find a suitable
bull and one that works for bothof you, having like known what
the first time was like, whatwould you do differently this
next time around?
SPEAKER_02 (35:51):
I would just like to be involved.
Okay.
He was very controlling, it wasall about him.
I would just like to be there.
SPEAKER_01 (36:01):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (36:02):
And that's what she wants to.
Yeah.
He was just very like into likeit's just me.
And uh she wants me involved.
SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (36:14):
Even just a smudge.
SPEAKER_00 (36:16):
And what about aftercare?
Would you guys make a point ofbuilding that in?
SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
Well, that's gonna require her taking cage off.
SPEAKER_00 (36:24):
So if you want to email her about that, doesn't
doesn't necessarily requirethat.
It doesn't necessarily mean thatit's reclamation sex.
The aftercare part, right, canbe a many different things.
SPEAKER_01 (36:40):
Very true.
Very true.
SPEAKER_00 (36:42):
Yeah.
And even just like cleaning upor just, you know, licking her
swollen pussy afterwards, orhelping her apply an ice pack to
her beat up pussy.
I mean it's very loving, tenderjust gesture.
But you could also, there'scuddling, there's like the
little um pillow talk afterwardsthat is part of can be part of
(37:06):
aftercares, whatever works foryou guys, right?
SPEAKER_02 (37:10):
Exactly.
No, I love that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
Okay.
Before we wrap this up, is thereare there any, is there any kind
of like advice, any tips,suggestions, any lessons learned
that you or last thoughts thatyou would like to share with the
listeners?
SPEAKER_02 (37:28):
I'll say yes.
It's uh give your wife time.
She'll get there.
You can't, you can't force it.
You just have to let her do it.
Let her be her own person.
The more you force it, the moreshe'll resist.
Just let her be your person.
Make her happy, make her feelmagical.
(37:48):
It'll happen in in due time.
SPEAKER_00 (37:52):
Yeah, that's a big mistake that I see a lot of guys
make.
And then you see you you I'msure you come across them online
all the time.
Guys looking for advice.
How do I get my wife to do this?
I need to convince her, I needto make this happen, how do I
trick her into it, all of thatsort of stuff?
And they're just so eager and soready to dive right in
headfirst, and she and she'sjust not there.
(38:13):
And yeah, you're right.
The more that you push it, themore you try to force it, the
worse it's gonna turn out.
So very good advice indeed.
Um, all right.
Where can people find either youor your wife online to connect?
Do you have any links that youwould like to share?
SPEAKER_01 (38:31):
I do.
It's uh Brooke 1992 on FellLife.
SPEAKER_00 (38:36):
Perfect.
Okay, I'll put a link to that inthe show notes for today as
well.
Um, Zach, thank you so much forjoining me on the show.
It's been so fun to hear yourstory.
I loved the parts that you'retalking about with your BBC
cuckolding part.
That was the best.
It has been so fun to talk toyou and get to know you.
(38:57):
So thank you so much for beingon the show and sharing your
story.
SPEAKER_02 (39:00):
Oh, thank you, Venus.
Have a great time.
SPEAKER_00 (39:05):
That's gonna be it for today's episode.
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(39:48):
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Alright, that's it for today'sshow.
You guys, we'll see you nexttime.
Here's a look at what's coming up on the show.
SPEAKER_02 (00:05):
Yeah, oh yeah.
It's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
But you guys still have PIV sex, right?
Still have dick and pussy sex.
SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
No, oh no.
I haven't had that in probablytwo years.
SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:18):
Okay, but you were talking about like reclamation
sex after the black guy.
Was is that that's off the tablenow?
You guys don't that's not anoption.
SPEAKER_02 (00:26):
No, that uh well I meant looking clear.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Okay.
So clue Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
Is that not allowed?
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
Oh no, no, that's definitely allowed.
SPEAKER_02 (00:37):
Okay, because I'm real hunger afterwards.
SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
Real hungry.
This is the Venus CuckoldersPodcast, a place to learn all
things cuckolding for thecurious, for the passionate, and
for the sexually empowered womanwho wants it all.
SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
Let's go.
SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
Welcome to the show.
I'm your host, Venus.
Thanks for joining me today.
I have a guy named Zach who'sgonna share his story today.
And holy shit, it's actually avery surprising story because I
did not realize how kinky theywere until like halfway through
the conversation.
Anyway, it's such a great storyabout getting cucked for your
(01:42):
first time by a beautiful blackbull and what that was actually
really like for this newbiecouple.
So it's a great, interestingstory.
I think you really like it.
Um, but first before we get intoit, um, I recently did a live
chat in the Queen's Quarterscommunity, and the topic was how
to get your wife intointerracial cuckolding.
(02:06):
And so, if this is a desire thatyou have, what are some tips?
What's some advice about how doyou actually make this happen?
And you know, what what do youwhat kinds of things do you need
to think about and how do youapproach that?
And so I was um joined by AnneCuckoldress and uh Crystal
Welch, and it was such a greatconversation, even though it was
(02:26):
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So any tier, there's two tiers,and both get access to any of
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And in doing so, you help me umbe able to keep doing these
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(03:11):
It's about an hour long, and umI wanted to update them on my
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Recently, I went on a trip.
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Diego, and it was his birthdayweekend, and fuck me, I had such
a great time.
(03:31):
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(04:35):
Let's jump into the show today.
Here we go.
Joining me on the show, I have aguest named Zach, and he's gonna
be talking about his story as acuck.
Zach, welcome to the show.
I'm happy to have you here.
Say hello to all the listeners.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
Hi, thank you, Venus.
Hey guys.
SPEAKER_00 (04:59):
Now, I put a call out on social media.
I think it was on Instagram andBlue Sky.
I tried to post it on uh Reddit,but Reddit moderators blocked
it.
They like removed it.
I'm like, fuckers.
Anyway, uh, so I put a post outthere saying that I would really
like to find a guest who's gonnatalk about how post nut regret
(05:23):
or post nut clarity has affectedhis uh cuck holding fantasies or
reality experiences, that sortof thing.
And Zach, you were one of thefirst people to respond.
Actually, I think it was yourwife who who responded and was
like, you need to talk to myhusband.
So I can't wait to get into thiswith you.
(05:45):
Thank you so much for forjoining the show today.
Um, we're gonna talk about allof that, but first let's start
about, let's just start withyour your story about how you
got into cuckolding, what thatrelationship looks like, where
you guys are at today with it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:05):
Uh Venus is kind of a weird, weird scenario.
Um I've always been like a guy'sguy and like a player.
Always had you know a ton ofgirlfriends, blah blah blah.
I finally settled down and Ifound the one, and I was like,
(06:26):
man, she needs more, she needsmore.
And uh it took a lot ofconversations, a lot of hard
talks, a lot of your podcastsfor being honest, a lot of your
podcast, and she's like, Is thiswhat you really want?
I'm like, I can't explain it.
(06:48):
It's just it's something I wantto give to you, and and she's
like, What do you want inreturn?
She's thinking, girls or youknow, three sums of girls.
Yeah, no, none of that.
No, I'm just I just want you tofeel like a princess and then
come home and the house be cleanand like you're just happy.
That's all I want.
(07:09):
And she's like, This is weird.
I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, andthe whole time she's like,
What's the catch?
What's the catch?
I'm like, there is no catch.
And uh, so how I gotta turn onto it.
We we we did a lot of podcasts,a lot of sex books.
Thank you, Amazon, for all yourporn.
(07:33):
Um honestly, it was the podcasthearing her listen to the other
people and the husbands and thewives, and everyone has the same
idea.
It it just it just worked.
And um, that's kind of how wegot into it.
And before we got into it, shewas like, Okay, well, let's post
(07:57):
some pictures.
So we started doing like aTinder profile and then OnlyFans
and then like a fat life thing,and that kind of eased her into
it.
And she's like, Wow, there's alot of comments.
I'm like, Yeah, I told youyou're hot.
That's kind of why I marriedyou.
And she's like, Yeah, but whatdo you want?
I'm like, I just want you to behappy.
And she's like, This is soweird, and it's it's so funny.
(08:24):
Just like literally three daysago, I went down to her for like
20 minutes and I stopped.
And she was like, that wasamazing.
And she was like, What do youwant in return?
I'm like, nothing.
As long as you're happy, I'mhappy.
Like that, your happiness bringsme to so much pleasure, I can't
even explain it.
(08:45):
It's such it's such a bigfeeling.
So, anyways, for about we'vebeen together eight years now.
So, like the first three or fouryears, it was a lot of social
media, pictures, fet life, andjust talking.
And uh then it kind of got tothe point where it's like, okay,
(09:08):
we're gonna have to do this, andthen it came down to finding a
bull, and that's a hard thing todo.
Yeah, it's like you have thisguy that you picture that's
polite and does the right thingsand makes the right moves.
It's so hard to find.
(09:29):
So hard to find.
You know, you got the big guywith the big muscles, and he's
got the tiny dick, or you gotthe guy with a huge slung, and
he can't even keep aconversation or know what wine
to order at dinner, you know.
So it's it it's a struggle.
So uh my thought was let's go toa swingers club.
(09:52):
Never been there.
As soon as we posted ourpictures, we start getting hit.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Half of them, I'm like, I wantto throw up.
Like, I I can do this.
Like, I am a white male, I'mvery attractive, I have a six
pack, I work a labor job, I'mvery good looking.
(10:14):
I don't have a small dick, Ihave a seven-inch dick.
To me, that feels small, youknow, but but it's not I know my
worth, okay.
And then we start getting thesehits, and it's like gross,
gross, gross, gross, gross.
And this one black guy creepsthrough, just so smooth, so
(10:35):
smooth, and he was like, We needa link up.
I show the pictures, and she'slike, Well, fuck, he's really
fit, and she's like, Well fuck,I'm 30.
He's like 22.
I'm like, I I understand that.
Like, he still wants to hook up,and she's like, How do you send
(10:57):
some more pictures?
Send some more pictures.
She's like, Okay, I'm down.
So then it's like, are we goingto the club or are we just gonna
hook up?
Yeah, and her thought is, let'sjust go to the club, have a good
time.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, honey.
You're gonna see these nastypeople, and you're gonna be like
(11:17):
so grossed out.
How about I just get a hotelroom that's super fancy, make it
spectacular, and you enjoy yourtime.
And she's like, What are yougonna do?
I'm like, I'm gonna watch you.
So that's what we did.
And uh we matched this back andforth, and uh, we get a hotel
room, and it was awesome, superawesome hotel.
(11:41):
I'd want to tell you where itis, but it would tell you where
I live.
It's amazing, it's likeliterally people can hear you
walking around the thing.
It is it is spectacular.
It for her first experience, itwas probably the best thing
ever.
And uh, so we got up there and Idid my thing.
(12:03):
Uh I figured ready, helps herwith the lingerie, she gets all
dolled up, it's perfect,perfect, perfect.
Looks awesome between stockingsand everything else.
Amazing.
Um knocks on the door, my heartdrops.
I'm like, oh fuck, here we go.
(12:25):
Here we go.
Here we go.
He comes in, and uh, she'sblindfolded.
She wanted to be blindfolded forsome reason.
That was her thing.
I don't know why.
But uh I felt like that was kindof like part of her thinking she
wasn't cheating, which I kepttelling her it wasn't, but that
was like her way of like youknow, I don't know.
(12:48):
So he walks him, I start goingdown on her, get her nice and
ready, and I pull back, and hemoves in, and it's just like a
whole different thing afterthat.
It's stuff I've never seen.
I didn't know her toes couldcurl that way.
(13:10):
Like, yeah, and like, bro,you've been here like five
minutes, and it was just oh, Imean he left a hand print in her
ass for probably three days.
Oh shit, yes, and and I thinkthe best position was probably
missionary because he was justgoing down and her toes I've
(13:35):
never seen like that.
Her nails on the back of hisback just oh my god, it was
intense.
SPEAKER_00 (13:44):
So, what were you doing this time?
You were sitting there watching,were you like jerking off, or
were you just sitting there?
Like, what were you doing?
SPEAKER_02 (13:53):
So, right before you came in, I said, I'm gonna get
horny as fuck.
I said, I have to put the cageon.
And she said, Okay, okay, so putthe cage on.
And I watched for probably 20minutes, and then I realized
this was gonna take a long time.
This guy was not gonna finishanytime soon.
(14:14):
So I I I just had to step back,it was too much.
It it and it wasn't I wasn'tangry, it was just like it was a
lot, it was a lot to take in.
It was a lot of like, wow, she'snever experienced this before.
Like she's doing things andsaying things she's never done
(14:35):
before.
So I just I kind of walked backtowards the back of the hotel,
and I just I kind of gave myselfsome time.
And then I turn back around andshe's taking the con him off,
and it's just all in her mouth,everything.
Like oh, he came in her mouth.
Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (14:56):
Yes, oh, yes, and that was it, and it was uh did
she snowball it into your mouth?
SPEAKER_02 (15:06):
Uh yes, I knew it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
Okay, and you still hadn't jerked off by that point.
You're still like super horny,right?
SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
Correct.
Okay, so but then but it's thesame thing I've all experienced.
Once she's done, she's done.
So like after the snowball, it'slike she's like, I'm tired, I've
had to get doled up, drive outhere, it's been three hours, I'm
(15:38):
tired.
Yeah, so like we we we didn'thave a good reclaiming part of
it.
Okay, and it's been some time,but then it's been like she
starts seeing these signs, likewhere if she lets me do a couple
things for her, and like if shewants to do this, she's like,
Wow, this is much happier.
(16:00):
So uh that's kind of where we'reat.
We're kind of like on the rink,she's not all in her biggest
downfall.
Oh, I say this, she likes whiteguys, but as soon as they get
into the bedroom, she hateswhite guys.
And I'm like, well, I don't knowwhat you want me to say about
(16:21):
that.
She's like, they're all weird.
I'm like, I know.
Like, like, no, like you don'twant to meet their mom.
Like, you just want to getdicked down.
Like, it's such a weird thing.
The black guards are like, hey,just want to look out, like,
let's do it.
Like, hey, let's just, yeah.
(16:43):
Like, no, like, no connections.
I'm worried when this white guy,she's like, Oh, we're gonna go
to Kinston Garden Mara, or someweird shit.
Like, it's it's so awkward.
The black guys are just sosmooth, just like and her
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biggest fear is she's like, OnceI do this, I'll be addicted.
I'm like, well, okay, do it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
So I've yeah, I've heard that before uh from women
in that they're very scared thatit will be so good and so fun
and so great that it will be adetrimental to their
relationship.
And that's valid.
That is valid because for a lotof women, this feels like the
(17:32):
non-monogamy part feels likeplaying with fire.
Like, yes, it's fun and it'sthrilling, and it's all of those
things, but at what point do youget burned?
You must get burned if you'replaying with fire.
So I understand that.
Was that originally what whatwas her biggest fear?
Or like in the beginning, whenyou when you said, you know, you
(17:54):
guys started really slowly justwith with um pictures and stuff
like that.
Was that her setting the pace?
Or were you like ready to divein with the green light?
SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
I've always been ready to dive in.
I I think the biggest issue isuh, and it's hard to explain.
Uh at one point she's saying forher to have sex with someone,
she needs like a connection,like a vibe, yeah, like this
thing.
But then once she has a blackdick in front of her, she
doesn't care.
(18:25):
She blindfolded.
So it's like so it's veryconfusing.
So I don't know that that's myanswer, Vienna.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (18:37):
I mean, I'm assuming you guys have had a lot of
conversations over the yearsabout her, you know, the
concerns that she has, the fearsthat she may have.
And I'm assuming with all ofthese steps that you've taken to
sort of get to where you areright now, there's been
conversations around that.
Uh, how do you navigate thattogether?
(19:00):
How do you guys, is it just amatter of setting boundaries and
limits and rules in order tofeel safe with the level of risk
in each step that you take, orwhat's it been like for you?
SPEAKER_02 (19:14):
You know, honestly, it's kind of been like I pushed
the first one and she she wentthrough with it and she loved
it.
But uh it's like I think she'swanting more of a boy boyfriend
experience, like she's wantingmore, I don't know how to
explain it.
She's wanting more likeconnection and maybe more than
(19:35):
just a one-time thing.
SPEAKER_00 (19:36):
Right.
And how does that make you feelwhen she's saying she wants
that?
SPEAKER_02 (19:43):
Oh, that doesn't bar me at all.
That's no, that's that's allgood.
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Is there any part of you that's scared that she will
like fall in love with somebodyelse?
SPEAKER_02 (19:51):
Um no, no, it's because at the end of the day,
she's mine.
Yeah, um, yeah, he may make hercome better or this or that, or
make her pussy wet, but I'mthere every day.
I take care of the kids, I dothe work, I uh I make sure she's
got everything taken care of,and that's not something a
(20:13):
bull's gonna do.
That's the difference between acuck and a bull.
Yeah, a bull's gonna get his,he's gonna get his, he's gonna
get what he wants, but youcan't.
I don't think you can have both.
Because I'm so focused on her,like at all times.
So uh, no, that doesn't worryme.
(20:33):
It worries her, and maybe Ishould worry about that, but I
guess I don't.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
Uh you mentioned that like when she was, when you
guys had your first cuck holdingexperience where she had this
black bull and she wasblindfolded, and this guy was
gonna fuck for hours.
Um, that it was overwhelming foryou at a certain point when it
felt like the first 20 minuteshad gone by and you were like,
oh god, this is you know, notgonna end anytime soon.
(21:02):
You mentioned that you had justkind of had to pull back a
little bit and collect yourthoughts.
What was going through your mindat that time?
SPEAKER_02 (21:13):
Um, it was just like, wow, how can you keep
going?
Like, it's just going and goingand going.
But what I've come to realize isI'm like hyper sexualized by
her.
Like, she really turns me on.
So, like, I get it why I come sofast.
(21:33):
Like, I honey, four hours?
That's that's a bit much.
Like, let's go for 15 minutes.
Like, it's but I saw in thatevening the legs shake,
everything trembling, the thingsshe said, never with me, never
ever, ever, but that's okay.
(21:54):
And I I'm accepting that, andthat's that's a hard thing to
do, it really is, to just man upand be like, hey, this is what
it is.
SPEAKER_00 (22:02):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I agree with you on that.
So, you guys didn't really havea plan for aftercare.
You talked about the rereclaiming that that didn't
happen because she was tired.
But did you guys discussanything like this is what we
should do after to reconnect oranything like that?
Or you're just gonna we're sofocused on her fucking this
(22:22):
other dude that you hadn'tthought about it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:25):
We hadn't thought about it.
Yeah, and that was that was thatwas the the downfall.
SPEAKER_00 (22:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:32):
And that was that was on me.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
I'm not surprised.
So many guys get so focused onthe her fucking the other dude
that forget about everythingafterwards.
That's also important.
SPEAKER_02 (22:44):
Well, I'm also I'm I'm a little ashamed because
like I done my research, I knowwhat to do.
Uh a lot of it, like I think apart of it was this guy was so
focused on just banging her clitthat he didn't give a shit about
anything else.
I think if there was a little Ithink she wanted some
(23:05):
interaction and I could havebeen more of a cuck in that
moment, because that's kind ofmy thing.
I I definitely am a cuck.
I would have done some stuff,like you know, licking it while
he's fucking her or whatever.
It was total like no off done.
So I I guess I didn't know howto reconnect after that.
(23:26):
Okay.
Like if you would have involvedme just just a smidge, just a
smidge, I could have kind ofworked it a little bit, but uh
yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
And so afterwards, you were all right, you were
horny, she was spent, she waslike, I'm tired, and you're just
all worked up because you've youknow been in chastity for that
whole time.
At what point did you get arelease, or did you?
SPEAKER_02 (23:49):
Oh, I didn't until we got home.
SPEAKER_00 (23:51):
Okay.
Was it amazing when you finallydid come?
SPEAKER_02 (23:55):
Yes, but I came while they were playing around.
So like I already got myrelease.
Wait, what?
SPEAKER_00 (24:01):
You came when you were in your cage?
SPEAKER_02 (24:03):
Yes, just watching them.
SPEAKER_00 (24:07):
Oh, that's so awesome.
It was like dribbling out.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
Oh it was spewing, it wasn't dribbling.
SPEAKER_00 (24:16):
Oh shit.
So you're good.
So do okay, but posting thatregret, did you did it make you
feel different after?
Or was that at the 20-minutemark where you were like, damn,
like no?
SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
I I honestly like uh I loved every moment of it.
I get I just I do I wish for alittle more interaction just to
have that connection, andnothing in like a buy away or
anything like that, just justsomething to where like the cuts
involved.
Lick this, do that, you know.
(24:50):
Right.
Little little more something.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
But that was not something that you guys
discussed in advance where youwere like, This is what I think
I would like.
SPEAKER_02 (24:59):
I'll be honest, she was a trooper.
Uh, we didn't discuss anything.
She was like, just find a blackguy, let's do it.
I'm like, okay.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Okay, so a lot a lot could have gone wrong there, but
it seemed like it happened, itfluked out.
You guys did good, it worked outokay.
Just wasn't like the best thatit could have been.
SPEAKER_02 (25:17):
Correct.
Okay, correct.
Um, it's just me complaining.
Yeah, she was very happy.
SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Okay, and so you've kind of fluked out.
You found that one guy.
Are you guys gonna see himagain?
Like, what happened to him?
He seemed like he was prettygood.
SPEAKER_02 (25:34):
You know, he deleted his Fet Life account, we can't
find him again.
So uh, and uh we're trying,we're working on Fet Life.
Man, there's a lot of creepsover there, though.
SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
Oh, yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_02 (25:50):
And it and that's the hardest part about
cuckolding.
Like, you've loved this personso much, you cherish them, you
literally worship them, youthink they're pussies like the
best thing ever.
You don't want no gross shit.
Like, yeah, it's that's tough.
SPEAKER_00 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean, that's probably one of the biggest
complaints I hear uh from peopleacross, you know, everywhere in
the last decade.
I've heard it a gazillion timesabout how difficult it is to
find the right kind of bull thatpeople are looking for.
So I get it.
Um I think it is a lot to askfrom a complete stranger that
(26:32):
you know you want them to checkoff your laundry list of wants,
desires, and needs and stufflike that.
Um, and it's you know, it isit's when somebody who's just
you know looking to do this forfun, so who knows whatever
happened to him.
I wonder if he like got agirlfriend and monogamous and
had to, you know, delete it all.
Who the fuck knows?
That's too bad.
(26:53):
You guys had something good andthen you lost him.
SPEAKER_02 (26:57):
Oh no, I know.
Uh uh drives me nuts.
SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
Yeah.
But she's good with doing itagain, like she wants to do this
again.
SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
Oh yes.
So she's so down.
No, yeah, she's back on FatLife, posting pictures.
She's she's ready to go.
Okay.
She had yeah, I think she had togo through a period of like
realizing I'm not gonna get mad.
SPEAKER_00 (27:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
But uh, she's good.
It's just uh she she wants theright guy, which I get.
SPEAKER_00 (27:33):
Yeah.
And so it's almost well, wereyou were you the one who was
like, oh, why don't you look forblack guys, or was that
something that was like heridea?
SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
Oh, it was my idea.
It's gonna sound terrible.
We did attend her, and it was abunch of white guys, and she was
like, Oh, they're all weird.
She doesn't want someone to callher mommy, she just wants dig
down.
SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
Do the white guys call her mommy?
SPEAKER_02 (28:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
What?
SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
Like she like she just wants some guy to manhandle
her, take her pussy, and makeher a squirt.
SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
And it's like, where's the button for that?
I don't know where that is onTinder.
It's not.
Oh, well, it's funny.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
Yeah.
Um, my own experiences oflooking for black guys on Tinder
uh has been really shitty.
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
Like, not yeah, yeah, not great.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Although I've not had a lot of luck with Fet Life
either.
Um, so I don't really know thatthere's a great spot to be able
to find somebody.
Um, you kind of like have tojust lead through the sea of
shit out there.
SPEAKER_02 (28:52):
Like you're the sea of shit.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
The boys calling you mommy and like the fucking
weirdness and like yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:02):
Yeah.
unknown (29:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:04):
Yeah, it's yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:06):
Oh, well, I feel for you on that part of it.
But um, so it's does she have aninterest in black guys now?
Like I saw, I think I saw on herFet Life that she's wears like
Queen of Spades stuff.
Is that just for like fun or isshe really invested in that?
SPEAKER_02 (29:21):
Well no, she's invested, but but like okay,
she's totally invested, but thatshe's also like really on point.
She's like, no socks, the sockscan't be open.
SPEAKER_00 (29:37):
I feel you.
Oh my god, I feel you.
SPEAKER_02 (29:40):
Uh she's like, why is this so hard?
I'm like, I don't know.
I I don't know.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (29:48):
I I don't understand it.
And I know a lot of you guyslistening right now, uh, you
know this about me.
I fucking can't stand it whenguys keep their socks on.
Like your wife doesn't.
Took three hours to get ready,shaving half her body, putting
on the most beautiful, expensivelingerie.
Thank you.
Perfume and makeup, mean lashes,getting her hair done, getting
(30:11):
her nails done, her pedicuredone, doing all of this shit.
Do you think that she's gonnaput leave her socks on?
Her fucking tennis socks?
Oh my, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_02 (30:22):
Yes.
Thank you.
Literally, this weekend she'sgetting her hair and nails done.
It's like$900.
SPEAKER_00 (30:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:29):
And she's like, all these guys are with their socks.
I'm like.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
I know the effort is so ridiculous.
All you have to do is wear somedecent underwear, not shit with
holes in it, and take yourfucking socks off.
Like, I don't understand.
SPEAKER_02 (30:47):
That's her only thing with the black eyes.
She's like, the socks.
The socks.
SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
I know.
And they're like, but my feetget cold.
Like, uh, hello.
Like, my feet get cold.
I don't give a f.
I'm like, you don't see me withmy fucking Nike socks on.
Like, like, what?
Yeah, I don't, I don'tunderstand that.
I never will.
And I think it just but everytime I see it in porn, um,
(31:13):
especially amateur porn, I'mjust like, for fuck's sakes,
take the fucking socks off.
I've even seen guys with theirleave their shoes on, they're
completely butt naked except fortheir socks and their shoes.
They're like, what are youdoing?
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
Yes.
What what is that?
Like the little slip slantelthings?
What what is that?
That's that is crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
I mean, I I kind of think it's hot if like a woman
keeps like her beautifulstilettos on when she's getting
fucked, because like we all wantto see that, those feet in the
air.
Anyway, I wanted to ask youabout chastity.
So was that your idea where youdid you bring that up to her?
And I'm what was her reaction inthe beginning?
And what is how does she feelabout it now?
SPEAKER_02 (31:54):
Um, it was my idea in the beginning.
Uh, but then once I did it, sheloved it.
And I became so like, I don'tknow the word is just like
wanting to please her.
She loved it.
And we've done it ever since.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
So how long does she keep you locked for?
SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Oh, all the time.
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Oh, all the time.
But she must unlock yousometimes.
SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Oh shit.
Oh, you guys just like went fullon, like wow.
SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
It's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
But you guys still have PIV sex, right?
Still have dick and pussy sex.
SPEAKER_02 (32:34):
No, oh no.
I haven't had that in probablytwo years.
SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
Okay, but you were talking about like reclamation
sex after the black guy.
Was is that that's off the tablenow?
You guys don't that's not anoption.
SPEAKER_02 (32:48):
No, that uh well, I meant licking her.
SPEAKER_00 (32:51):
Okay.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (32:53):
Uh uh.
Is that not allowed?
SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
Oh no, no, that that's definitely allowed.
SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
Okay, because I because I'm real hungier
afterwards.
SPEAKER_00 (33:03):
Real hungry.
She's just looking at me, honey.
I don't need to sit on yourface.
Yeah.
Okay, so two years you haven'thad PIV sex.
So, okay, answer the fuck thisquestion for me because I have
so many people think that if youstop having PIV sex as a married
(33:25):
couple, that that is the sign ofsomething really wrong in your
relationship.
Like things have to eventuallygo sour between the two of you.
What are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_02 (33:37):
My thoughts are she came home, I think it was Monday
or Tuesday.
Bad day, just work sucked,pissed off.
She sat down.
I looked at her pussy for like30 minutes, just nonstop, just
going at it.
And she's like, that's the bestthing ever.
SPEAKER_00 (33:56):
Love it.
So she's sat happy, satisfied,fulfilled.
And you, I'm assuming, are too.
Do you feel like you're missingout?
SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
I mean, I I feel like I'm missing out, but like
that's kind of the part of thekink.
SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:13):
So no, I'm I'm good.
I'm good.
SPEAKER_00 (34:17):
So are you allowed to like jerk off once in a
while?
Or like how do you get arelease?
She pegs you?
SPEAKER_02 (34:23):
I only do that.
She doesn't like that.
Uh she no, not it's too muchwork on her part.
So she's like, no.
She's never tried it.
Uh we did it once.
She just, she's just like, thisis a lot of work.
She's like, I'm a mistress.
You should worship me.
I'm like, okay, well, wellfucking shit.
SPEAKER_00 (34:46):
So so how often do you get a release?
How do you get a release?
SPEAKER_02 (34:51):
Uh like cleaning or doing chores.
SPEAKER_00 (34:55):
Okay.
So as a reward.
SPEAKER_02 (34:58):
Yes, correct.
SPEAKER_00 (34:59):
Okay.
And that'll just be you allowedto jerk off, or does like she
jerk you off or something?
Like, how does that work?
SPEAKER_02 (35:07):
Uh no, it's me jerking off.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
Okay.
So I think I kind of figured outthe stuff.
So she is really into the powerexchange.
She's really into like some realfemdomy parts of the
relationship.
But she's not fully signed in tothe cuckolding part yet.
SPEAKER_02 (35:29):
Uh she's getting there, and it's gonna be there.
It's just it's just a matter oftime.
SPEAKER_00 (35:36):
So the next time that you guys do find a suitable
bull and one that works for bothof you, having like known what
the first time was like, whatwould you do differently this
next time around?
SPEAKER_02 (35:51):
I would just like to be involved.
Okay.
He was very controlling, it wasall about him.
I would just like to be there.
SPEAKER_01 (36:01):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (36:02):
And that's what she wants to.
Yeah.
He was just very like into likeit's just me.
And uh she wants me involved.
SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (36:14):
Even just a smudge.
SPEAKER_00 (36:16):
And what about aftercare?
Would you guys make a point ofbuilding that in?
SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
Well, that's gonna require her taking cage off.
SPEAKER_00 (36:24):
So if you want to email her about that, doesn't
doesn't necessarily requirethat.
It doesn't necessarily mean thatit's reclamation sex.
The aftercare part, right, canbe a many different things.
SPEAKER_01 (36:40):
Very true.
Very true.
SPEAKER_00 (36:42):
Yeah.
And even just like cleaning upor just, you know, licking her
swollen pussy afterwards, orhelping her apply an ice pack to
her beat up pussy.
I mean it's very loving, tenderjust gesture.
But you could also, there'scuddling, there's like the
little um pillow talk afterwardsthat is part of can be part of
(37:06):
aftercares, whatever works foryou guys, right?
SPEAKER_02 (37:10):
Exactly.
No, I love that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
Okay.
Before we wrap this up, is thereare there any, is there any kind
of like advice, any tips,suggestions, any lessons learned
that you or last thoughts thatyou would like to share with the
listeners?
SPEAKER_02 (37:28):
I'll say yes.
It's uh give your wife time.
She'll get there.
You can't, you can't force it.
You just have to let her do it.
Let her be her own person.
The more you force it, the moreshe'll resist.
Just let her be your person.
Make her happy, make her feelmagical.
(37:48):
It'll happen in in due time.
SPEAKER_00 (37:52):
Yeah, that's a big mistake that I see a lot of guys
make.
And then you see you you I'msure you come across them online
all the time.
Guys looking for advice.
How do I get my wife to do this?
I need to convince her, I needto make this happen, how do I
trick her into it, all of thatsort of stuff?
And they're just so eager and soready to dive right in
headfirst, and she and she'sjust not there.
(38:13):
And yeah, you're right.
The more that you push it, themore you try to force it, the
worse it's gonna turn out.
So very good advice indeed.
Um, all right.
Where can people find either youor your wife online to connect?
Do you have any links that youwould like to share?
SPEAKER_01 (38:31):
I do.
It's uh Brooke 1992 on FellLife.
SPEAKER_00 (38:36):
Perfect.
Okay, I'll put a link to that inthe show notes for today as
well.
Um, Zach, thank you so much forjoining me on the show.
It's been so fun to hear yourstory.
I loved the parts that you'retalking about with your BBC
cuckolding part.
That was the best.
It has been so fun to talk toyou and get to know you.
(38:57):
So thank you so much for beingon the show and sharing your
story.
SPEAKER_02 (39:00):
Oh, thank you, Venus.
Have a great time.
SPEAKER_00 (39:05):
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Oh, and you can also submit aquestion or confession for the
show.
Just go to VenusCuckledjust.comand click on the link that says
the podcast.
Make sure you follow me on BlueSky Social.
(39:48):
Yes, I said Blue Sky Social.
Fuck Twitter.
My handle there is at CucklejustV.
Alright, that's it for today'sshow.
You guys, we'll see you nexttime.
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