April 12, 2025 • 63 mins
Becca and Drew share their 29-year journey from teenage sweethearts to a cuckolding couple, revealing how they've maintained a passionate relationship by embracing sexual exploration and open communication.
• Met as teenagers and knew early on they were into "more than just vanilla sex"
• Discovered their interest in cuckolding after a teenage incident where Drew was aroused by seeing hickeys another man had left on Becca
• Experienced their first spontaneous cuckolding encounter in a Jeep parking lot with friends watching outside
• Met their most memorable bull online who understood the psychology of everyone's roles and set a high standard
• Learning to overcome shame and judgment from others while strengthening their relationship
• Being in the lifestyle has made them both better lovers to each other
• Communication and aftercare are essential to their success
• Advice for women: do self-work to destroy societal conditioning about female sexuality
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's what's coming up on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I pull up and she opens the back door to the Jeep
and they both get in the backand she says this is my friend,
joe, I'm going to suck his dick.
And he started fucking her andI was like, oh my God, this is
really happening and it was.
It was incredible.
And then at one point she shegot back onto her back in the
(00:27):
back seat.
And I'm still in the front seatwith my phone, with the
flashlight just staring.
And then in this dark jeep andit's a dark parking lot around
us, with the flashlight, yeah,just just staring and we've had
no conversation, no like, isthis okay?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
not okay.
But we did keep making eyecontact with each other just to
kind of like channel in, likeI'm good, are you good Love you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So the guy Joe, he says to me, he says he's playing
with her pussy.
He says, bring this flashlightover here.
I want to, I want to see this.
So I shine the flashlight.
He's playing with her pussy andshe squirts everywhere and
she's only done that once ortwice before.
She does it all the time now.
But you know, we had to learnhow.
And he makes her squirt and Iyell oh, my fucking gosh.
(01:15):
You squirted everywhere and Iactually heard clapping and
cheering, and that's when Irealized the group outside was
watching.
He just put both of his feet onthe door of my Jeep and pushed
into her as hard as he could andjust came.
(01:36):
Oh, wow, she loved it and Iloved it and we didn't say
anything.
We just both kind of looked ateach other real, you know, like
whoa and uh, you know, um, heasked us a question that set off
a kink for us, um, that weprobably shouldn't have done,
but we did anyway.
Um, but he, he asked us.
(01:58):
He said she's not gonna getpregnant, is she?
And it made us both startthinking and we both thought,
shit, she is ovulating Maybe, orshit.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
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(02:42):
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This couple, becca and Drew, aregoing to join me on the show to
talk about their stories, theiradventures, stories, their
adventures and they are aswinging slash cuckolding couple
(03:07):
.
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(03:31):
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(03:51):
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them.
I think you're going to walkaway with not just a boner but
actually, having learned a lotfrom them, it's a great, great
story.
So we're going to jump intothat.
(04:13):
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Naturally, joining me on theshow, I have two spectacular
(06:26):
guests.
I have Becca and Drew, who aregoing to share their stories
about what it's like to be in acuckolding relationship, and I'm
really excited for you all tohear this story.
Becca and Drew welcome.
Say hello to all the listeners.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Hello, nice to be here with you all.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Hi, how are you?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh my gosh.
Okay, let's jump in.
You guys have been marriedtogether a long time.
I think you guys met when youwere really, really young right,
yes.
How old were you?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I was 16 and she was 14.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh wow, so was that your first ever relationship.
I'm assuming it was right, itwas my first.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, I had a brief one before that.
It lasted about a year long.
Taught me everything that youshouldn't do in a relationship.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So how long have you guys been together?
Now it's 30 plus years, 29years, 29.
Okay, it's a long time.
And so at what point did youget into like the kinky stuff or
bringing that up?
Was it right away?
Were you forthcoming about that, this part right away?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
we were pretty forthcoming about how kinky we
were right away.
Like, uh, one of the firstgames we played was, uh, her
first job, um, at the pizzaplace.
Um, her first day she came homewith a pizza and played
delivery girl.
You know, we were just, we'rejust teenagers, um, you know.
So we, we knew we were intomore than just playing vanilla
(08:01):
sex pretty early on.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But I will say we didn't even do it right away.
I did make him wait two years.
Really, that never happenedagain.
We've never been not having sexsince then.
But yeah, wow, and we made outand stuff.
My mom used to tell me makingout and all the foreplay stuff
is never as good as it is beforeyou have sex.
So I felt like I really wantedto embrace that and, honestly,
(08:29):
that like kind of changed ourdynamic, because we worked so
hard for so long at foreplaythat it's something we've never
stopped doing.
Wow, it's just a habit.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh wow, that's fascinating, Okay, and then okay
.
Oh wow, that's fascinating,Okay, Um and then okay.
So how did cuckolding come intothe whole dynamic.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
There was an unfortunate incident when we
were teenagers where I made amistake and I was making out
with another girl, um, whohappened to have her name Um,
and I thought that was amusing,cause I was a child and uh, so I
I went to work that night and,uh, she made out with my best
friend, um, all night long.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Revenge.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
She had.
You know, when I, when I gothome, she had hickeys all over
her breasts and things like that, and uh so we were like making
up, we were having aconversation, like saying I'm
sorry I did this, this.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I'm sorry you did this, you hurt me.
And then I was like, well,you're not going to be able to
forgive this and I showed him myboobs and they were covered in
hickeys.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
What was the reaction ?
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, it's kind of funny because I had this same
type of incident happen with myfirst girlfriend and that
reaction I reacted how everyonewas supposed to.
You know, I got mad and angryand threw stuff.
But this time it was different.
I reacted how I wanted to react, which was to pull her on my
(10:00):
lap and suck the hickeys on hertitties, lap and suck the
hickeys on her titties, and Ithink that's when we both
realized that.
That's when we both realizedthat we were into that.
We didn't even know what it wascalled.
There wasn't even a name for ityet I don't think no way yeah I
was just going to ask you that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Did you know what that was?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Not at all no.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
This was pre-internet days.
It was the late 90s, I mean.
Aol was coming out, but wedidn't know anything yet.
You only had actual pornos onVCRs to watch.
So totally clueless, but alsovery any reservations around
doing something like orincorporating that into your
(10:48):
relationship?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I just asked, because some women are really like hung
up over religion and stuff likethat or slut shaming kind of
stuff.
Did you have anything, anyfeelings like that?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I did for a while for sure, same with even
maintaining my virginity for solong.
Did for a while for sure, samewith even maintaining my
virginity for so long.
Like the moral high groundcomes into play.
So I think it definitely got.
It progressed gradually overthe years, you know, step by
step and moment by moment, andand like the liberating and free
part of it really came for mewhen I was completely secure in
(11:20):
my relationship and knowing thatI am always safe and loved and
valued and that's the mostimportant thing.
So fucking is fucking right.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, exactly, there's a.
There's a line there, right youcan?
You know the difference thereAbsolutely.
So what did it feel like foryou, Drew?
You didn't know this was athing you're, she was, she was
going.
You guys were going down thisroad together.
What did it feel like for youto go through that?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I loved it, um, everything we did, all the
little experiences we had um,because, like, in between, we
actually didn't start cuckholding until, like I think it
was like nine years ago when itactually started with uh.
You know, before that we had,um what we call you know,
(12:12):
there's just regular swingingincidents here and there with
other people, um, but I noticed,uh, even when we would have uh,
we had a couple that we werefriends with and we would play
with them all the time and I Ijust I noticed that I enjoyed
watching her more than I enjoyedplaying at you know, certain
points, um, not that I don'tenjoy playing, but and then you
(12:36):
know, um, and then we had, uh, afew different guys come over um
to the house, um, here andthere.
I was in the air force, so shesaw a coworker of mine when she
was bringing me lunch one dayand she just jokingly said bring
him home.
And I did.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
How did you say that to your coworker?
Were you not like scared ornervous?
I was nervous as hell.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
But we were in our young 20s and you know we talked
about sex all the time anyway,and I pulled him aside.
And I know we talked about sexall the time anyway.
And I pulled him aside and Isaid, hey, my wife thought you
were cute, Want to come home andjoin us?
And he thought about it for aminute.
He went yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That was that Because you're kind of I don't want to
say outing yourself by sayingthat to your co-worker, but now
knowing that you are in an openrelationship with some people
are really taboo, like that's sotaboo for them right.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Definitely In the Air Force.
It's pretty common for swingersto be there.
Oh, really.
Yeah, it's more of an acceptedcommunity.
I don't know why.
Yeah, it's more of an acceptedcommunity.
I don't know why, but there wasa lot of swingers in the
military that we didn't swingwith any of them.
We just talked to them andobserved what they were doing
(13:58):
and, you know, it brought moreideas into our brains and got
the wheels turning.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Well, yeah, that's what happens is, once you start
to go down that road, there's somuch to learn about it.
There's so much out there.
That is, you know, so manyblogs and forums and groups and
everything like that.
But, becca, what was it likefor you when you guys were
swinging and he is sleeping withother women?
(14:22):
Were you like you, were goodwith that, like you?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
like that was fun or did you hate it?
Yeah, yeah, I liked it a lot.
I always would try to like, putmyself in the mindset of, like
this is real life porn.
Like how cool is that to likewitness and see that stuff.
And then, as time goes on andmore you know close in our
relationship we are.
I love him so much that, like,even if I'm not physically in
the moment, being pleased,watching him be that happy and
excited and having fun in thatexperience is so much fun in and
(14:56):
of itself.
I know he feels that way too.
So the jealousy, of course it'sgot to be there a little bit,
but also like just being soconfident in who we are with
each other.
Like we've had such amazingexperiences and we still tell
each other constantly butnobody's like you, you know,
nobody's got that.
So yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
At what point, though , did you figure out that you
wanted to actually find anactual bull, like somebody who
understood cuckolding?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So we were at a point in our marriage where we were
talking about it and you know,fantasizing about it, and she
would tell me you know thisperson's hot, or this person's
hot, or you know, and tease meabout it, but she wasn't really.
I don't think she was everreally going to act on it.
Um, and then her best friendfound out that it was a fetish
(15:53):
of mine and she how did she findout?
Um, they, they went to Las Vegason a trip and, uh, my wife had
taken some pictures with youknow, they got those hot
strippers there on the strip youtake the pictures with.
Um, she took a bunch ofpictures with them and sent them
to me and that sparkedquestions and that answered all
(16:14):
the questions and she couldn'tbelieve it.
So every time they went out formonths she pounded my wife what
about that guy?
What about that guy?
What about that guy?
So one night they're at a,they're out on girls night and
there was a guy dancing anddancing really well, and becca
(16:36):
was like damn, I like him, andher best friend went over and
got him, brought him to thetable and it started there.
I got a message that just saidmy biff told some guy, I think
he's hot now he won't go away.
And and then about, and thenabout an hour and a half later I
got a.
(16:56):
I got a text message.
It was a picture of her kissinghim on the cheek.
Okay, it just progressed fromthere.
Um, you know I'm at home, youknow, trying to trying to be
good and not be on my phonebothering people you know, and,
uh, I get a.
I get a phone call.
It's like 10 30 at night.
I get a phone call and she saysshe says to me she goes um, she
(17:18):
doesn't even say hello, shejust says hey, what's that
called when somebody fucks yourwife?
I said it's called cuckold andshe yells it's called cuckold
and just hangs the phone up.
So clearly they were alreadyhaving this conversation.
So later it was like maybe one,30 in the morning, um, I got a
(17:39):
phone call from her friend noteven her, from her best friend
and she was also out with agroup of other friends from
where we work and her sister, soit was like a big group of
people that all witnessed this.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So I got a phone call from her friend that said you
know, hey, we're eating tacos,come get us.
So I knew where that is.
So I made my way to the tacoplace and when I got there she
was standing.
The whole group is standingaround in a circle.
They're all having a good time,you know, laughing, being drunk
.
I pull up and she's standingwith him and they have their
(18:15):
arms around each other and Ipull up and she opens the back
door to the jeep and they bothget in the back and she says
this is my friend, joe, I'mgonna suck his dick.
And I just pulled up to thedarkest parking spot in the
thing and she was already goingto work and I just kind of sat
(18:40):
there watching, kind ofmesmerized, really didn't
process the feelings at themoment.
I was just like, wow, this ishappening.
And it just progressed fromthere where she just just, I
guess, got sick of blowing himand turned around.
He, he started fucking her andI was like, oh my god, this is
really happening and it was this.
(19:01):
It was incredible.
And then at one point she, shegot back onto her back in the
back seat.
And I'm still in the front seatwith my phone, with the
flashlight just staring, andthen in this dark jeep and it's
a dark parking lot around uswith the flashlight yeah, just
just staring and we've had noconversation, no like, is this
(19:23):
okay?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
not okay.
But we did keep making eyecontact with each other just to
kind of like channel in like I'mgood, are you good, love you.
Yeah, right, say go you.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
So the guy, joe, he says to me, he says he's playing
with her pussy.
He says, bring this flashlightover here.
I want to, I want to see this.
So I signed the flashlight andhe's playing with her pussy and
she squirts everywhere and she'donly done that once or twice
before.
She does that all the time now.
But you know, we had to learnhow.
And he makes her squirt and Iyelled oh, my fucking god.
(19:56):
She squirted everywhere and Iactually heard clapping and
cheering and that's when Irealized the group outside was
watching like watching the carmove.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It was dark.
They couldn't see insidebesides your flash windows and
stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But they, they all know what's going on.
They see the jeep moving, halfof the group are strangers from
inside the taco shop.
The whole scene is wild.
And he climbs back on top ofher and starts fucking her again
and she's she's moaning andcoming and I'm mesmerized.
(20:34):
I, you know, I look down.
I'm actually leaking pre-cumthrough my sweats, which I don't
do.
You know what I mean.
I'm like this is insane.
And then what he did was thisthis is the part that really got
me.
He didn't ask, he didn't sayanything, got me.
(20:56):
He didn't ask, he didn't sayanything.
He just put both of his feet onthe door of my Jeep and pushed
into her as hard as he could andjust came.
Oh, wow, she loved it and Iloved it, and we didn't say
anything.
We just both kind of looked ateach other, real like whoa and I
had and, um, I had a, I hadsome shop towels in my jeep and
he, he grabbed those and waswiping himself up and she just
(21:19):
pulled her underwear up, didn'tsay anything, and uh, I kind of
knew what she was doing at thatpoint, was like, okay, all right
.
And uh, you know, um, he askedus a question that set off a
kink for us that we probablyshouldn't have done, but we did
anyway.
But he asked us.
(21:39):
He said she's not going to getpregnant, is she?
And it made us both startthinking and we both thought
shit, she is ovulating Maybe, orshit.
So it set off a breeding kinkin addition to the chemical
pre-kink for us.
Yeah, but he got out and whenhe got out he announced to the
(22:03):
group you know Yay, buckner Woo,and everyone's cheering.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's so Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, we weren't in las vegas at the time.
Um, we're here in our hometown,here in colorado.
Oh, this is okay, so it's evenworse because it's a small town.
We're in a small town incolorado.
My god right, it's even worse.
Um, but her sister came up toher sister and best friend came
up to the car.
They both made sure she wasokay.
Um, and then her sister waslike well, I'm gonna go party
with them, I'll see you guyslater.
Her sister and best friend cameup to the car.
(22:34):
They both made sure she wasokay, and then her sister was
like well, I'm going to go partywith them, I'll see you guys
later.
And we left to go home and theride home was only like six
minutes and it was the quietestlongest car ride I've ever had
in my life.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Okay, becca, what was that like for you?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It was interesting for you.
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
For sure it was crazy , um, but very cool.
Yeah, wait, did you what?
How did you feel about all ofthe other people outside that
knew what was going on?
Did that make you feel weird?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
so so he's saying it like it's a group of like rando
people.
Besides the the fact that itwas him and his friends, those
were random from the bar, butotherwise you were talking about
my three closest girls, so itnever went anywhere.
It was a full trust moment, youknow.
So totally fine there.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Just the fact that people were watching was, oh for
sure.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
For me, so was it humiliating for you, true?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
was it?
Um it it was.
Yeah, I was so embarrassed, um,so I was trying to, like you
know, hide my face while I wasdriving out of the parking lot,
you know.
But, um, yeah, kind of kind of,you know, it turns me on a bit,
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Did you do cleanup after that?
Did that happen?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
after.
Well, that's the thing.
When we got home, we didn'teven she didn't even get out of
the Jeep.
I got out and I opened the doorfor her to get her out.
You know, because I'm agentleman.
She's on a date, not with me,but she ended the date with me.
So I opened the door and shelooked at me and she just opened
her legs and she said well, yougoing to do it, cock.
Did you say that and my headjust sank between her legs,
(24:25):
that's hot as fuck.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, it was.
It was incredible.
We loved it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, Did you, Becca.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm assuming you knew that that he would really
really like it if you said thatand did that in that moment yes,
yeah, I think I always have,but it's also just like a weird
skill set of mine that I canjust bust out super crazy filthy
in the moment, dirty talk,without much thought process,
and it's gotten us in trouble ina good way in a few times so oh
(24:57):
my god drew, you won thelottery with her.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I did.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh my god, that's hot as fuck yeah, that's just the
beginning and then, and then wekind of dove in after that well,
yeah, after that experience Icould see how that would kind of
snowball into a uh deep diveinto cuckolding yes so where did
you guys go after that?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
did you look for a legit like bull, or?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
well, what happened?
Um, at the time, craigslist wasstill operational, that's.
That's how long we've beendoing this, so oh, I love, I
love.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Craigslist was still operational.
That's, that's how long we'vebeen doing this, so we oh, I
love, I love Craigslist was thebest it's just no, no, no drama,
no, nothing, just how you doingyou ugly.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, bye, you know.
But so we, um, we dove intoCraigslist and we had a few
experiences there and they were,they were okay.
You know, um, they were, theywere good experiences.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Some were not so great.
One time, and only one time,did I have to use my safe word
and that was the worst sex I'dever had in my entire life.
Dude would pump once, flip mefull 360, one pump, flip again
full 360.
I'm like not only will I nevercome this way, but my vagina is
turning to cement like fix thisnow.
(26:18):
And Andrew was like you gottago, you gotta go.
Safe work time, so those dohappen too.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We've only met one guy that we ever called bull,
and he set the bar sounbelievably high that it's been
hard for us to find anyone togive that title to again.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You know like do you want me to tell this one from my
perspective, since he did thelast one?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, I sure do, because I've never heard from
your perspective.
I've written all of the stories, by the way, like in like short
story format, and I've alwayswanted to release them as an
ebook.
But I'm a nervous one.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Oh, you should, you should, you definitely should.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Okay.
So in terms of like being moredominant or hot life behavior, a
lot of those things really justhappen naturally for me.
I'm an Aquarius, I am strongand independent, we are a female
led relationship really, andalways have been Okay, so let's
get that aside.
I'm very much not used toanyone else having control in a
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situation, and I didn't know howmuch I would like it when it
did happen.
So we meet Todd online andagree to go meet at a hotel on
bar finder.
We met him this is the onlyperson we've ever actually met
from any website successfullyyeah, by the way, who like came
(27:49):
and really was what he said hewas.
We started in the bar and had adrink.
I immediately felt verycomfortable around him, but he
also was like off the bat, likethis is what you want to drink
and you should probably onlyhave one drink.
And I was like what the fuck?
Like?
People don't talk to me likethis, you know.
But I was falling.
(28:11):
I was doing it a hundredpercent.
Let me follow your instructions.
Whatever happens happens Right.
And he's kind of doing the samething to Andrew too.
We haven't discussed hissexuality yet.
Babe.
Do you want to say that partbefore I just tell the story or
not?
Oh no, yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Okay, okay, so, so, uh, we go upstairs, we all
immediately undress and we arelike blindsided by how
absolutely beautiful this man is, with the hugest cock I've ever
seen in real life, 100% Likethere was a crooked in it.
I'm like, okay, I don't knowhow my insides work, but I'm not
(28:50):
sure this is going to becompatible.
Right, it's that big, but thenit was.
So he starts off with tellingAndrew all right, go get in your
chair and ties him up to thechair.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It wasn't even that they had me undress in front of
them while they were fullyclosed and what he had was he
had.
He had two wrist cuffs and heput them on behind my back and
he put a collar on and then hehad a bar that went from the
collar to the cuffs.
So I was stuck like that and hehad me get on my knees beside
(29:27):
the bed and wait, and that'swhat I was for most of the night
.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Why they, you know so he's really good at the floor
play too.
We do a whole lot of that.
We both have given each otheroral sex and we're we're
enjoying and going witheverything.
And then he puts it inside meand it was like an awakening,
like I'd never experiencedanything like that.
(29:54):
And I remember looking atAndrew and we like make these
eyes, where we communicate witheach other, like is this really
okay, you know?
And I and he gave me like afunny look that I didn't know
how to read and I said out loud,if you told me to stop, I don't
think I could.
Todd was inside of me.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
That is so hot, he thought it was hot too.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
He talked to me about it for a few minutes while they
fucked.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
You know, do you think she stopped?
Do you think he stopped her?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh my god, that is one of the hottest things I've
ever heard.
Oh my god, he was incredible,see things I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh my god, he was incredible.
See, he set the bar way toohigh so high, so high, uh.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
And then, after like literally probably two hours of
he and I devouring each otherand drew in this crazy
uncomfortable position, he knewthat andrew was bisexual, but he
hadn't really disclosed to usanything about his own sexuality
, which is totally fine because,of course, bisexual men are
rare and we have sex with peoplewho are not bi, and that's
(31:04):
totally fine.
There's no touching, right, ofcourse, we're consent people,
right.
So he didn't really tell usmuch of anything.
Keep in mind, like my numberone always favorite kink ever is
a dude who will suck dick, whois not necessarily bi, right?
Okay, I love it, I love it.
Same with women.
(31:24):
Actually, like no, I don'tthink I am.
Oh, my God, I love it this onetime.
That's great, good for you,experience it, you know.
So after we do all that, hecalls andrew over to the bed.
Okay, baby, you can finish inthere because you'll, you'll do
details better.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, so he does.
He called, he calls me over tothe bed.
Well, first, right, rightbefore he comes, is when he
calls me over to the bed.
And he calls me over and hesays I, I got a question and he
goes what?
What is this like suction cupthing?
Her pussy's doing this, pullingme back in, like he's talking
to me about the features of howgood my wife's pussy feels, like
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it was insane and she's, she's,she's.
She left out a very importantpart in the beginning.
When they first started fucking, she started screaming.
Well, it started real low.
It started with her just goinggod damn.
And this went oh, oh, god damn,oh, oh god damn, oh god damn it
(32:24):
, oh god damn.
It just kept getting louder andI was like, well, she's never
fucking said that before.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
That that's when this gets involuntary, it's not
scripted.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I've been there.
I've said the exact same thingbefore I know see, so you know
it's a real experience.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's truth, right there truth oh so right before
that, and then he, and then hecomes, and he comes in her and
he pulls out and he immediatelyjust shoves his dick down my
throat oh really yeah and justspends a couple minutes just
(33:03):
fucking my face.
I mean just using my face for aminute.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Wait hold on.
Hold on Because, like guys,after they come on isn't their
dick like really sensitive Like?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
do you?
I guess not.
His did not change state at all.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Wow, he was a little bit older than us and we've
decided since then that heprobably took dick pills, which
is good for him because theywork.
So that's probably it.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We were like 35, and he was like 48.
Okay, we've come to theconclusion that he he must've
been on some sort of Cialis.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So he fucked your face.
Wow this is very hot.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, and then and then, when he was done, um, he
just shoved my face into herpussy and just kind of cause you
were restrained, you couldn'tdo anything.
He was just yeah, oh, wow, yeah.
So I cleaned her up and madeher come and and then.
And then he said well, what doyou think he's been a good boy?
She was like of course he'sbeen a good boy.
(34:05):
And he was like well, then weshould reward him.
And that's when they unlockedme and brought me up on the bed
for more of a threesome typecuck holding, which was fun too.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So okay, so you got to have some fun too.
So before okay, before you guyswent into that, you said you
know you he didn't really talkto you about the bisexual part
or anything like that, which wasfine.
But did he talk to you aboutlike was there any discussion
about the tying up and stufflike that, which was fine.
But did he talk to you aboutlike, was there any discussion
about the tying up and stufflike?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
that the only hint we really had was the very first
conversation.
He sent a really nice messagethat was like you know, your
guys' profile is really welldone.
And I'm the one that did it.
So I was like oh, thank you somuch, you know, and he's like
your profile is really well done.
You know, she's beautiful, youguys are a beautiful couple, you
(34:57):
know, if you care to message me.
So we messaged him and of course, he sent a picture and when I
first saw his dick pic, I waslike, am I looking at this right
?
And she was like I think so,you know, because it just
couldn't tell how big it was.
We're like, all right, you know, um.
(35:18):
And then he said he said, um,take a picture and send it to me
.
And I told him, you know, I waslike there's a lot of pictures
of her on the website.
He said no, no, no, no.
I want you to hand her thephone, stand up, take a naked
picture of you and send it to me, oh, of you, of me, oh.
(35:44):
And so it was like verydominant and like, and we were
both like do I listen?
Like you know what?
So we just did it, you know,and it was.
It was really hot, and so we.
That was the first real sign ofdominance, of how the night was
going to go.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Right, first real sign of dominance, of how the
night was going to go right andhe had.
He told us he had had cuckexperience and we were so new to
that piece of it that it waslike, okay, how does this work?
And just unbelievably enough,when he said something, we
wanted to do it.
That's never happened ever theway that he just took charge in
the moment in such anon-aggressive, sexy, hardcore
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way.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
He made you want to do it.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Even as a cup.
Because I got that reward atthe end, I knew I was going to
be rewarded for anything I did.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, he understood the psychology behind every role
in the dynamic right, yes.
I think that's what makes abull a really good bull is
somebody who understands thepsychology of it but appreciates
it so much, like loves thatrole, you know, yeah, not just
the oh, I'm going to get somepussy tonight, but like loves to
(37:01):
really fuck around with themental gymnastics of all of that
and like it's so fun exactlyyeah, that's what.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
That's what makes it fun all of that, yeah so did you
see?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
did you guys see him after that, or was it just that
one time?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
we saw him one other time after that, and that was an
amazing experience as well didhe kind go like like push a
little further than the firsttime, or was he?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
it was similar to that first time which was like
so incredibly hot.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Um, it was.
It was similar but different.
Um, like he had, uh, you know,that was the first time I ever
laid underneath her while shegot fucked doggy, Um, you know,
and he kept going back and forthfrom her pussy to my mouth and,
um, at one point he, uh, hemade her come, and when she
(37:53):
comes real hard, uh, shecollapses.
Yeah, She'll just hit the bed.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
She's done Um don't get crazy, I don't cap out.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
So, except for you know, back in October but that
was different.
So she fell off on top of meand he's just standing there
with his dick in my mouth and helooked at her and he did this
just for her.
He said does this turn you on?
And he laid on top of me in his69th.
Oh really Right.
(38:26):
So that's never done that witha man before.
That was very, you know it likeshifted my thinking from oh you
know, I just I just kind oflike to suck dick a bit too.
This is really intimate, andtouching a man's body turns me
on, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know when you replay it back in your mind.
Mind that piece of it too.
If he took the psychology tothe next level of like making
sure to know how I should feelas a hot wife, because he put me
in control of that situationeven without being touched, and
talked to me about it the wholetime, and that's on.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yes, oh he's a really good ball.
We actually just reached out tohim recently and was like, if
you're back in the area, man Ineed to have him on the show,
really like that sounds likesome incredible experiences just
(39:22):
beyond us.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, totally yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
He was amazing.
But he set the bar so high thateveryone else even people she's
had sex with long term, youknow called themselves bull and
we were kind of like, I meanwith a little, with a little do
(39:52):
you drew?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
do you have any of that?
Like most guys, if not all guyswho have cuckolding fantasies
or desires struggle with somesort of shame around that.
Do you have?
Did you ever have any of that?
Like, was there any?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I had a lot of that um.
There was a lot of that throughthe journey.
There was a lot ofembarrassment, a lot of
humiliation, a lot of shame, um.
But as as we got morecomfortable with it and more
people would find out um.
Like there was one day um wetook a couple of friends from
work um, these two girls we workwith, we all went up to this
(40:21):
hot springs for the day, um, howhot springs day.
And she just happened to decideto tell them both oh yeah, you
know, I fuck other man, he'scuckold, and you know what I
mean.
And just them finding out, youknow little things like that um
would embarrass me and turn meon um.
So through the years it'sreally become more of a source
(40:44):
of uh pleasure more thanembarrassment.
You know, those littlehumiliation moments or things
like that, I mean they stillmake me feel embarrassed in the
moment, but later I'm like you,dirty little, you know okay
because, like you know, um,there's so many guys out there,
especially what women do, forsure.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
But the fear that so many guys have and you'll see
this on Reddit too like justabsolute fear of being outed of
other people, finding out ofthem, losing friends, family,
coworkers, whatever, justgripped with fear around this,
and I get it, I totally fuckingunderstand, but do you guys not
(41:29):
give a fuck?
You're just like whatever.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Well, I mean, it's been a process for sure, and we
do give a fuck.
We have lost friends and familyknows too.
We've kind of come full circlewith that.
Um, my family is always beenvery supportive and whatever.
Whatever makes you go, be happy, be happy.
You know type of people.
(41:52):
His family doesn't, I think,know that and that's probably
fine.
And then we've had lots offriends, and typically what
happens with friends when theyfind out, the normal response
that we get, which always drivesme crazy is I could just never.
My husband would never let medo that, because my husband just
loves me way too much to let medo that.
(42:13):
Cringe when I hear that yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
That's always the initial response.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
And I want to respond by saying my husband loves me
so much I do.
Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
You know it's a gift, yeah, and then like half of
those people that respond thatway, they'll come to us.
You know, a few weeks later,like there was a girl we worked
with she, she found out I wasbisexual and she had made some
you know that's gross commentsand things like that.
She found out what we weredoing.
(42:46):
She was like that's gross, myhusband would never let me.
All the same comments.
Two weeks later we're sittingthere at work and she goes.
So can you tell me a little bitmore about it?
Yeah, and I start telling hersome things we've done and some
stories and she's squirmingaround in her chair and she was
like I mean, I'm so wet.
(43:08):
She was like how do I get, howdo I get my man to do this?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Wow, so true, so true .
The good reactions definitelyoutweigh, like those.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
The girl who had the initial bad reaction, who's
coming to us going.
Yeah, how do I make this happen?
You know?
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Most people haven't been together for 29 years.
If you haven't been togetherfor 29 years, don't tell me how
to make it work at 29 years.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, and we're happy and inlove and I don't know anybody
like that decades in, unlessthey continue to maintain
growing and evolving and lovingin whatever capacity that is for
(43:47):
them.
But if you're like staying thesame all the time and not
changing, those people get bored.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah.
That's absolutely right.
I've always felt like with thiskind of relationship dynamic
and you guys, your cuckolding isnot the center of your
relationship.
You call yourself what was apolyamorous swingers with a lot
of cuckolding is not the centerof your relationship.
You call yourself what was apolyamorous swingers with a lot
of cuckolding themes right,which is pretty cool, but I can
see how that would never beboring.
(44:14):
You've got a lot of differentscenarios that you could try and
experiences and all that sortof stuff, right?
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, we've had all kinds of different scenarios and
experiences and I think thereason we're going a little bit
more polyamorous is becausewe're at that point in our
marriage where and we're stillpretty young, you know we're
only mid-40s and you know we'vebeen each other's best friend
(44:44):
and life partner in everything.
You know, um, our whole livesand life experiences happen.
So, like if you meet somebodywho you know, you kind of really
connect with.
I think we're at that pointwhere, um, we're open to explore
those connections Um me, memore than her, cause, you know,
I um, to be honest, I, I don'treally have the capacity to have
(45:06):
more than one.
We, we tried it once.
It did not go well, but there'sa lot of stress on my part.
But, you know, in reverse, youknow if her having a
relationship with another man,you know she doesn't really have
to, you know it would be himputting in more effort, not me
(45:29):
putting in double effort.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
So, instead of taking away from her, like the
relationship we tried with awoman, did you know it would add
to the relationship.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Right In my opinion.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
That makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, the relationship right.
In my opinion, that makes a lotof sense.
Yeah, and I don't know why itmakes my makes me happy to think
about her experiencingsomething like that, but it does
.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I don't really understand it fully, but I know
it does and I accept it and Ilike it that's like a compersion
part, I guess, when you feelyou feel really, really you feel
joy when someone else you loveand care about is experiencing
joy.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah, there's just something about that, right yeah
?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Okay, and so what have been some of the challenges
or the difficulties aroundhaving this aspect, this dynamic
, to your relationship, yourmarriage?
You guys are saying, like lifehappens and stuff like that.
I'm assuming that there's beensome parts of your life where
this has kind of taken abackseat and you've focused more
(46:33):
on other things, or have therebeen issues around communication
?
Everything that I have learnedabout this, about cuckolding, is
that you really need likemaster level communication and
trust and openness and honestyand sharing and all that sort of
stuff.
Right, how's that been for youguys?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
You know, yeah, there's definitely been trials
and tribulations.
The losing relationships isalways a crappy thing,
especially because those peopleare judging our morals and
integrity and that's notsomething that should ever be
questioned based on sex, and sexalone.
You know the fact, our loyaltyand commitment to our marriage
is better than most.
(47:15):
So it's always like you knowthe audacity I feel like really
to get the judgment, and ittakes that communication with
each other and support with eachother and always like saying
how we're feeling and checkingin on everything.
We are to the extreme when itcomes to aftercare.
We like have a ritual of makingout, only making love for a few
(47:39):
days.
Uh, a lot of extra attentionand affection and communication,
a lot of conversation.
What did you think about this?
What did you think about that?
What was this like for you?
Sometimes those conversationslead into more sex sessions,
right, and sometimes it's like,oh my gosh, that's a big lesson
for me.
I'll never do that again ifthat wasn't a vibe right.
But we continue to do that andbecause of that, that's why
(48:02):
we've really got to explore.
There is no fantasy orsituation that either one of us
has ever thought of, that wehaven't shared with each other
and, even more so, been likewell, let's try and do that,
let's figure it out.
You know you want to be watched.
Okay, let's do it outside.
How does that work?
You know, because it's fun.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, and getting that communication was a rough
road, you know we did.
We did have to learn along theway.
Yeah.
Um you know.
So there, there were issueshere and there, but you know we
did work through them.
Um, learn that communication,um, you just, I guess, in our
opinion, you just kind of chooseto communicate or not, and
(48:39):
that's where relationships build, or don't, yes, yeah,
cuckolding or not, that's justhow relationships work.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah, but because we can be so open and honest about
that aspect of our lives, itjust makes everything else that
much easier.
To be that honest about, youknow, instead of like what's
wrong with you, are you upset,we're in a bad mood and like
just not communicating likecouples do, it's like, oh no,
specifically this this happenedat work today and I'm upset
(49:06):
about it.
Let's talk it out abouteverything, because we know that
we're in a safe place to dothat.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Or even if we don't want to talk about it.
It's just, this happened and Idon't want to talk about it.
You know why I'm upset and youdon't have to sit there and
worry.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, yeah, and
so what are some of the lessons,advice tips that you guys would
give for couples who arethinking about cuckolding?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I'm going to say this for the ladies and the
lifestyle Do a lot of self ourwork to destroy what it is.
We have been told since we werechildren about sexuality.
Our bodies are our own.
It is a gift that we get toexplore and feel and amazing
(49:56):
things happen with our bodiessexually, spiritually, love, all
of the above and it's yours.
No one else gets to have a sayin how that goes.
There is no such thing as theword slut.
Every good thing in life.
We have people who are addictedto those things and take it to
the extreme.
Sex is one of them.
(50:17):
It's not a good thing to beaddicted to, but it's definitely
a healthy outlet to enjoy thiscrazy shit show that is this
world, right, it is definitely ahealthy outlet to enjoy this
crazy shit show that is thisworld, right.
Yes, do it Feel good about it.
Love yourself, love yourpartner and have confidence
because you're amazing.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, personally, I feel like it's a tragedy when a
woman does not get theopportunity to really expand and
explore her sexuality in herlife.
Like, how many women do youknow that get married and then
that's it?
They're just with the same dickfor the rest of their life?
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Same position, same time of the week yeah, having an
orgasm, maybe 10% of the time.
Right, that's more normal,which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
I mean to be quite honest, in in cuckolding.
Cuckolding has made me a bettersexual partner, you know.
Oh yeah, I see something andI'm like what the hell did he
just do, you know?
And I'm looking for a book, I'mresearching something.
I'm asking him, hey, what didyou just do?
You know?
Because I want to learn.
That is a really great point,you know.
(51:19):
So I mean, being in thelifestyle has also made us both
way better lovers to each other,you know.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Absolutely Always learning tips Like what did you
just do under there?
Okay, let me try that out right, he's Googling.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Why is her pussy vacuuming, suctioning to his
dick?
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's really incredible.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, it's really a gift that you give each other in
so many different ways, andthat's probably why, when you
brought it up to that woman, whowas like ew, ick, gross, like
how could you, super judgy?
And then she comes back andwants to learn more, because she
realizes this is reallysomething, an opportunity to
expand your own personal growthin your area of sexuality.
(52:15):
This is an opportunity for youto really celebrate that side of
you.
Like you're talking about justthe confidence and everything
like that, and just letting goof the stigma and the slut
shaming and all of that shitlike that.
This is an opportunity for youto.
And it's a fucking gift because, like, as women, we don't
normally get that.
Like that's not.
We don't normally get theopportunity and permission and
(52:37):
and everything that consent tobe able to go and do that
ourselves, but to have a partnerwho's like, yes, let's do's do
this, I love this, I love thisabout you.
I feel like, as a woman, thisis just the best fucking thing.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Right, like having the sex of a woman, but the
safety that a man provides inyourself, great Right.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Right, I love it.
I love it.
I think it's fantastic.
Okay, and one of the otherthings I wanted to say which I
think is great I love how youguys are really making this
relationship your own in yourown way, and like there's so
much pressure out there forpeople to do cuckolding and what
other people think is like theright way, and like it's not
(53:21):
real cuckolding unless you do itthis way and stuff like that.
And I'm guilty of that in thevery beginning when I was trying
to learn about cuckolding, liketrying to figure out like
what's actual cuckolding, what'snot, and kind of gatekeeping
the the whole you can be.
It can only be a cuck if you'rethis way or whatever.
Like this is just stupid shit.
Like.
(53:45):
What has been wonderful for meis to be able to witness couples
like yourself who have theirown very unique style of living
this lifestyle and blending itwith other aspects of
non-monogamy or swinging orwhatever, and so I think that's
really beautiful.
So I'm really happy to have youguys on the show.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
It's been an amazing journey.
I mean so many stories andthings.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Can you write this book already?
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I'm working on it, I'm in the editing, mean, I'm
editing the first part of itreal quick.
Um, I should probably haveheard you that because she's the
one who went to college, but Ithink that would be fantastic
because it sounds like you guyshave some hot stories like oh my
god.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
I must say, like the highlight has been that that one
, that story of your first, likeactual bull, that was hot as
fuck.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we're still trying to get up to
that level again.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Damn, I need my vibrator after this Like that
was incredible.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
It was.
It was an incredible experienceUm one part of that story that
we we left out, um, I don't knowwhy we left out out, but one
part of the story we left out isum my cock was caged.
That entire time as well.
Oh wow, yeah, that was, um,that was fun as well, so it made
the experience even moreintense for me.
(54:57):
Being in that cage.
I never really understood thembefore until that point, and now
I understand, understand themcompletely.
You know, with the uh, just theway it makes your body feels
insane, yeah Well you werecompletely restrained too.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
So you were restrained, restrained
everywhere.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Right, just listening .
And at one point during duringtheir sex.
Um, so I'm sitting there, I'mrestraining, my cocks restrained
.
Um, I'm actually kind ofshaking because of how horny I
am like a, like a dog orsomething you know it was.
You know it was almostembarrassing and um, there was a
(55:36):
.
There was one point where hewas fucking her and I really
couldn't see what was going onand I tried to like lean forward
to get a better view and hesnapped at me and he said he
said turn around and face thewall.
Oh, and he made me turn away andface the wall while they
finished Um, and all I could seewas the shadows and hear it,
and it was so intense.
(55:58):
It was, I mean, God he was sogood.
Oh yeah, the man has a skillset.
God, he was so good.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Oh yeah, the man has a skill set.
That's amazing.
Yeah, he needs to come on theshow, so if you're listening,
you know who this is.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
We'll see if we can get him.
That would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, okay, that's going to be it for this episode.
We have run out of time.
I'm dying to know if there's alot of other stories, though, so
I'm sure that there is, butmaybe I'll have you guys on the
show again at some point in time, or maybe for a pillow talk
event.
That would be really fun.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
We'd love that.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
But thank you so much , becca and Drew.
I really love having you on theshow.
It's been so fun.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Thank, you so much.
It was wonderful.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
It was yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
That's going to be it for today's episode.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
I pull up and she opens the back door to the Jeep
and they both get in the backand she says this is my friend,
joe, I'm going to suck his dick.
And he started fucking her andI was like, oh my God, this is
really happening and it was.
It was incredible.
And then at one point she shegot back onto her back in the
(00:27):
back seat.
And I'm still in the front seatwith my phone, with the
flashlight just staring.
And then in this dark jeep andit's a dark parking lot around
us, with the flashlight, yeah,just just staring and we've had
no conversation, no like, isthis okay?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
not okay.
But we did keep making eyecontact with each other just to
kind of like channel in, likeI'm good, are you good Love you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So the guy Joe, he says to me, he says he's playing
with her pussy.
He says, bring this flashlightover here.
I want to, I want to see this.
So I shine the flashlight.
He's playing with her pussy andshe squirts everywhere and
she's only done that once ortwice before.
She does it all the time now.
But you know, we had to learnhow.
And he makes her squirt and Iyell oh, my fucking gosh.
(01:15):
You squirted everywhere and Iactually heard clapping and
cheering, and that's when Irealized the group outside was
watching.
He just put both of his feet onthe door of my Jeep and pushed
into her as hard as he could andjust came.
(01:36):
Oh, wow, she loved it and Iloved it and we didn't say
anything.
We just both kind of looked ateach other real, you know, like
whoa and uh, you know, um, heasked us a question that set off
a kink for us, um, that weprobably shouldn't have done,
but we did anyway.
Um, but he, he asked us.
(01:58):
He said she's not gonna getpregnant, is she?
And it made us both startthinking and we both thought,
shit, she is ovulating Maybe, orshit.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
This is the Venus Cuckoldris Podcast A place to
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I have a show for you.
This is so much fun, this one.
This couple, becca and Drew, aregoing to join me on the show to
talk about their stories, theiradventures, stories, their
adventures and they are aswinging slash cuckolding couple
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.
And what a story it is.
It's just fascinating.
You're going to love it.
They are going to share somevery hot stories and I mean like
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You can tell by my voice a fewtimes in this episode that I was
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This is a boner episode, butlet me tell you there's also
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them.
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actually, having learned a lotfrom them, it's a great, great
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So we're going to jump intothat.
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guests.
I have Becca and Drew, who aregoing to share their stories
about what it's like to be in acuckolding relationship, and I'm
really excited for you all tohear this story.
Becca and Drew welcome.
Say hello to all the listeners.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Hello, nice to be here with you all.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Hi, how are you?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh my gosh.
Okay, let's jump in.
You guys have been marriedtogether a long time.
I think you guys met when youwere really, really young right,
yes.
How old were you?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I was 16 and she was 14.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh wow, so was that your first ever relationship.
I'm assuming it was right, itwas my first.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, I had a brief one before that.
It lasted about a year long.
Taught me everything that youshouldn't do in a relationship.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So how long have you guys been together?
Now it's 30 plus years, 29years, 29.
Okay, it's a long time.
And so at what point did youget into like the kinky stuff or
bringing that up?
Was it right away?
Were you forthcoming about that, this part right away?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
we were pretty forthcoming about how kinky we
were right away.
Like, uh, one of the firstgames we played was, uh, her
first job, um, at the pizzaplace.
Um, her first day she came homewith a pizza and played
delivery girl.
You know, we were just, we'rejust teenagers, um, you know.
So we, we knew we were intomore than just playing vanilla
(08:01):
sex pretty early on.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But I will say we didn't even do it right away.
I did make him wait two years.
Really, that never happenedagain.
We've never been not having sexsince then.
But yeah, wow, and we made outand stuff.
My mom used to tell me makingout and all the foreplay stuff
is never as good as it is beforeyou have sex.
So I felt like I really wantedto embrace that and, honestly,
(08:29):
that like kind of changed ourdynamic, because we worked so
hard for so long at foreplaythat it's something we've never
stopped doing.
Wow, it's just a habit.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh wow, that's fascinating, Okay, and then okay
.
Oh wow, that's fascinating,Okay, Um and then okay.
So how did cuckolding come intothe whole dynamic.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
There was an unfortunate incident when we
were teenagers where I made amistake and I was making out
with another girl, um, whohappened to have her name Um,
and I thought that was amusing,cause I was a child and uh, so I
I went to work that night and,uh, she made out with my best
friend, um, all night long.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Revenge.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
She had.
You know, when I, when I gothome, she had hickeys all over
her breasts and things like that, and uh so we were like making
up, we were having aconversation, like saying I'm
sorry I did this, this.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I'm sorry you did this, you hurt me.
And then I was like, well,you're not going to be able to
forgive this and I showed him myboobs and they were covered in
hickeys.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
What was the reaction ?
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, it's kind of funny because I had this same
type of incident happen with myfirst girlfriend and that
reaction I reacted how everyonewas supposed to.
You know, I got mad and angryand threw stuff.
But this time it was different.
I reacted how I wanted to react, which was to pull her on my
(10:00):
lap and suck the hickeys on hertitties, lap and suck the
hickeys on her titties, and Ithink that's when we both
realized that.
That's when we both realizedthat we were into that.
We didn't even know what it wascalled.
There wasn't even a name for ityet I don't think no way yeah I
was just going to ask you that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Did you know what that was?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Not at all no.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
This was pre-internet days.
It was the late 90s, I mean.
Aol was coming out, but wedidn't know anything yet.
You only had actual pornos onVCRs to watch.
So totally clueless, but alsovery any reservations around
doing something like orincorporating that into your
(10:48):
relationship?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I just asked, because some women are really like hung
up over religion and stuff likethat or slut shaming kind of
stuff.
Did you have anything, anyfeelings like that?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I did for a while for sure, same with even
maintaining my virginity for solong.
Did for a while for sure, samewith even maintaining my
virginity for so long.
Like the moral high groundcomes into play.
So I think it definitely got.
It progressed gradually overthe years, you know, step by
step and moment by moment, andand like the liberating and free
part of it really came for mewhen I was completely secure in
(11:20):
my relationship and knowing thatI am always safe and loved and
valued and that's the mostimportant thing.
So fucking is fucking right.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, exactly, there's a.
There's a line there, right youcan?
You know the difference thereAbsolutely.
So what did it feel like foryou, Drew?
You didn't know this was athing you're, she was, she was
going.
You guys were going down thisroad together.
What did it feel like for youto go through that?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I loved it, um, everything we did, all the
little experiences we had um,because, like, in between, we
actually didn't start cuckholding until, like I think it
was like nine years ago when itactually started with uh.
You know, before that we had,um what we call you know,
(12:12):
there's just regular swingingincidents here and there with
other people, um, but I noticed,uh, even when we would have uh,
we had a couple that we werefriends with and we would play
with them all the time and I Ijust I noticed that I enjoyed
watching her more than I enjoyedplaying at you know, certain
points, um, not that I don'tenjoy playing, but and then you
(12:36):
know, um, and then we had, uh, afew different guys come over um
to the house, um, here andthere.
I was in the air force, so shesaw a coworker of mine when she
was bringing me lunch one dayand she just jokingly said bring
him home.
And I did.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
How did you say that to your coworker?
Were you not like scared ornervous?
I was nervous as hell.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
But we were in our young 20s and you know we talked
about sex all the time anyway,and I pulled him aside.
And I know we talked about sexall the time anyway.
And I pulled him aside and Isaid, hey, my wife thought you
were cute, Want to come home andjoin us?
And he thought about it for aminute.
He went yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That was that Because you're kind of I don't want to
say outing yourself by sayingthat to your co-worker, but now
knowing that you are in an openrelationship with some people
are really taboo, like that's sotaboo for them right.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Definitely In the Air Force.
It's pretty common for swingersto be there.
Oh, really.
Yeah, it's more of an acceptedcommunity.
I don't know why.
Yeah, it's more of an acceptedcommunity.
I don't know why, but there wasa lot of swingers in the
military that we didn't swingwith any of them.
We just talked to them andobserved what they were doing
(13:58):
and, you know, it brought moreideas into our brains and got
the wheels turning.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Well, yeah, that's what happens is, once you start
to go down that road, there's somuch to learn about it.
There's so much out there.
That is, you know, so manyblogs and forums and groups and
everything like that.
But, becca, what was it likefor you when you guys were
swinging and he is sleeping withother women?
(14:22):
Were you like you, were goodwith that, like you?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
like that was fun or did you hate it?
Yeah, yeah, I liked it a lot.
I always would try to like, putmyself in the mindset of, like
this is real life porn.
Like how cool is that to likewitness and see that stuff.
And then, as time goes on andmore you know close in our
relationship we are.
I love him so much that, like,even if I'm not physically in
the moment, being pleased,watching him be that happy and
excited and having fun in thatexperience is so much fun in and
(14:56):
of itself.
I know he feels that way too.
So the jealousy, of course it'sgot to be there a little bit,
but also like just being soconfident in who we are with
each other.
Like we've had such amazingexperiences and we still tell
each other constantly butnobody's like you, you know,
nobody's got that.
So yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
At what point, though , did you figure out that you
wanted to actually find anactual bull, like somebody who
understood cuckolding?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So we were at a point in our marriage where we were
talking about it and you know,fantasizing about it, and she
would tell me you know thisperson's hot, or this person's
hot, or you know, and tease meabout it, but she wasn't really.
I don't think she was everreally going to act on it.
Um, and then her best friendfound out that it was a fetish
(15:53):
of mine and she how did she findout?
Um, they, they went to Las Vegason a trip and, uh, my wife had
taken some pictures with youknow, they got those hot
strippers there on the strip youtake the pictures with.
Um, she took a bunch ofpictures with them and sent them
to me and that sparkedquestions and that answered all
(16:14):
the questions and she couldn'tbelieve it.
So every time they went out formonths she pounded my wife what
about that guy?
What about that guy?
What about that guy?
So one night they're at a,they're out on girls night and
there was a guy dancing anddancing really well, and becca
(16:36):
was like damn, I like him, andher best friend went over and
got him, brought him to thetable and it started there.
I got a message that just saidmy biff told some guy, I think
he's hot now he won't go away.
And and then about, and thenabout an hour and a half later I
got a.
(16:56):
I got a text message.
It was a picture of her kissinghim on the cheek.
Okay, it just progressed fromthere.
Um, you know I'm at home, youknow, trying to trying to be
good and not be on my phonebothering people you know, and,
uh, I get a.
I get a phone call.
It's like 10 30 at night.
I get a phone call and she saysshe says to me she goes um, she
(17:18):
doesn't even say hello, shejust says hey, what's that
called when somebody fucks yourwife?
I said it's called cuckold andshe yells it's called cuckold
and just hangs the phone up.
So clearly they were alreadyhaving this conversation.
So later it was like maybe one,30 in the morning, um, I got a
(17:39):
phone call from her friend noteven her, from her best friend
and she was also out with agroup of other friends from
where we work and her sister, soit was like a big group of
people that all witnessed this.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So I got a phone call from her friend that said you
know, hey, we're eating tacos,come get us.
So I knew where that is.
So I made my way to the tacoplace and when I got there she
was standing.
The whole group is standingaround in a circle.
They're all having a good time,you know, laughing, being drunk
.
I pull up and she's standingwith him and they have their
(18:15):
arms around each other and Ipull up and she opens the back
door to the jeep and they bothget in the back and she says
this is my friend, joe, I'mgonna suck his dick.
And I just pulled up to thedarkest parking spot in the
thing and she was already goingto work and I just kind of sat
(18:40):
there watching, kind ofmesmerized, really didn't
process the feelings at themoment.
I was just like, wow, this ishappening.
And it just progressed fromthere where she just just, I
guess, got sick of blowing himand turned around.
He, he started fucking her andI was like, oh my god, this is
really happening and it was this.
(19:01):
It was incredible.
And then at one point she, shegot back onto her back in the
back seat.
And I'm still in the front seatwith my phone, with the
flashlight just staring, andthen in this dark jeep and it's
a dark parking lot around uswith the flashlight yeah, just
just staring and we've had noconversation, no like, is this
(19:23):
okay?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
not okay.
But we did keep making eyecontact with each other just to
kind of like channel in like I'mgood, are you good, love you.
Yeah, right, say go you.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
So the guy, joe, he says to me, he says he's playing
with her pussy.
He says, bring this flashlightover here.
I want to, I want to see this.
So I signed the flashlight andhe's playing with her pussy and
she squirts everywhere and she'donly done that once or twice
before.
She does that all the time now.
But you know, we had to learnhow.
And he makes her squirt and Iyelled oh, my fucking god.
(19:56):
She squirted everywhere and Iactually heard clapping and
cheering and that's when Irealized the group outside was
watching like watching the carmove.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It was dark.
They couldn't see insidebesides your flash windows and
stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But they, they all know what's going on.
They see the jeep moving, halfof the group are strangers from
inside the taco shop.
The whole scene is wild.
And he climbs back on top ofher and starts fucking her again
and she's she's moaning andcoming and I'm mesmerized.
(20:34):
I, you know, I look down.
I'm actually leaking pre-cumthrough my sweats, which I don't
do.
You know what I mean.
I'm like this is insane.
And then what he did was thisthis is the part that really got
me.
He didn't ask, he didn't sayanything, got me.
(20:56):
He didn't ask, he didn't sayanything.
He just put both of his feet onthe door of my Jeep and pushed
into her as hard as he could andjust came.
Oh, wow, she loved it and Iloved it, and we didn't say
anything.
We just both kind of looked ateach other, real like whoa and I
had and, um, I had a, I hadsome shop towels in my jeep and
he, he grabbed those and waswiping himself up and she just
(21:19):
pulled her underwear up, didn'tsay anything, and uh, I kind of
knew what she was doing at thatpoint, was like, okay, all right
.
And uh, you know, um, he askedus a question that set off a
kink for us that we probablyshouldn't have done, but we did
anyway.
But he asked us.
(21:39):
He said she's not going to getpregnant, is she?
And it made us both startthinking and we both thought
shit, she is ovulating Maybe, orshit.
So it set off a breeding kinkin addition to the chemical
pre-kink for us.
Yeah, but he got out and whenhe got out he announced to the
(22:03):
group you know Yay, buckner Woo,and everyone's cheering.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's so Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, we weren't in las vegas at the time.
Um, we're here in our hometown,here in colorado.
Oh, this is okay, so it's evenworse because it's a small town.
We're in a small town incolorado.
My god right, it's even worse.
Um, but her sister came up toher sister and best friend came
up to the car.
They both made sure she wasokay.
Um, and then her sister waslike well, I'm gonna go party
with them, I'll see you guyslater.
Her sister and best friend cameup to the car.
(22:34):
They both made sure she wasokay, and then her sister was
like well, I'm going to go partywith them, I'll see you guys
later.
And we left to go home and theride home was only like six
minutes and it was the quietestlongest car ride I've ever had
in my life.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Okay, becca, what was that like for you?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It was interesting for you.
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
For sure it was crazy , um, but very cool.
Yeah, wait, did you what?
How did you feel about all ofthe other people outside that
knew what was going on?
Did that make you feel weird?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
so so he's saying it like it's a group of like rando
people.
Besides the the fact that itwas him and his friends, those
were random from the bar, butotherwise you were talking about
my three closest girls, so itnever went anywhere.
It was a full trust moment, youknow.
So totally fine there.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Just the fact that people were watching was, oh for
sure.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
For me, so was it humiliating for you, true?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
was it?
Um it it was.
Yeah, I was so embarrassed, um,so I was trying to, like you
know, hide my face while I wasdriving out of the parking lot,
you know.
But, um, yeah, kind of kind of,you know, it turns me on a bit,
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Did you do cleanup after that?
Did that happen?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
after.
Well, that's the thing.
When we got home, we didn'teven she didn't even get out of
the Jeep.
I got out and I opened the doorfor her to get her out.
You know, because I'm agentleman.
She's on a date, not with me,but she ended the date with me.
So I opened the door and shelooked at me and she just opened
her legs and she said well, yougoing to do it, cock.
Did you say that and my headjust sank between her legs,
(24:25):
that's hot as fuck.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, it was.
It was incredible.
We loved it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, Did you, Becca.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm assuming you knew that that he would really
really like it if you said thatand did that in that moment yes,
yeah, I think I always have,but it's also just like a weird
skill set of mine that I canjust bust out super crazy filthy
in the moment, dirty talk,without much thought process,
and it's gotten us in trouble ina good way in a few times so oh
(24:57):
my god drew, you won thelottery with her.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I did.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh my god, that's hot as fuck yeah, that's just the
beginning and then, and then wekind of dove in after that well,
yeah, after that experience Icould see how that would kind of
snowball into a uh deep diveinto cuckolding yes so where did
you guys go after that?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
did you look for a legit like bull, or?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
well, what happened?
Um, at the time, craigslist wasstill operational, that's.
That's how long we've beendoing this, so oh, I love, I
love.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Craigslist was still operational.
That's, that's how long we'vebeen doing this, so we oh, I
love, I love Craigslist was thebest it's just no, no, no drama,
no, nothing, just how you doingyou ugly.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, bye, you know.
But so we, um, we dove intoCraigslist and we had a few
experiences there and they were,they were okay.
You know, um, they were, theywere good experiences.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Some were not so great.
One time, and only one time,did I have to use my safe word
and that was the worst sex I'dever had in my entire life.
Dude would pump once, flip mefull 360, one pump, flip again
full 360.
I'm like not only will I nevercome this way, but my vagina is
turning to cement like fix thisnow.
(26:18):
And Andrew was like you gottago, you gotta go.
Safe work time, so those dohappen too.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We've only met one guy that we ever called bull,
and he set the bar sounbelievably high that it's been
hard for us to find anyone togive that title to again.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You know like do you want me to tell this one from my
perspective, since he did thelast one?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, I sure do, because I've never heard from
your perspective.
I've written all of the stories, by the way, like in like short
story format, and I've alwayswanted to release them as an
ebook.
But I'm a nervous one.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Oh, you should, you should, you definitely should.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Okay.
So in terms of like being moredominant or hot life behavior, a
lot of those things really justhappen naturally for me.
I'm an Aquarius, I am strongand independent, we are a female
led relationship really, andalways have been Okay, so let's
get that aside.
I'm very much not used toanyone else having control in a
(27:29):
situation, and I didn't know howmuch I would like it when it
did happen.
So we meet Todd online andagree to go meet at a hotel on
bar finder.
We met him this is the onlyperson we've ever actually met
from any website successfullyyeah, by the way, who like came
(27:49):
and really was what he said hewas.
We started in the bar and had adrink.
I immediately felt verycomfortable around him, but he
also was like off the bat, likethis is what you want to drink
and you should probably onlyhave one drink.
And I was like what the fuck?
Like?
People don't talk to me likethis, you know.
But I was falling.
(28:11):
I was doing it a hundredpercent.
Let me follow your instructions.
Whatever happens happens Right.
And he's kind of doing the samething to Andrew too.
We haven't discussed hissexuality yet.
Babe.
Do you want to say that partbefore I just tell the story or
not?
Oh no, yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Okay, okay, so, so, uh, we go upstairs, we all
immediately undress and we arelike blindsided by how
absolutely beautiful this man is, with the hugest cock I've ever
seen in real life, 100% Likethere was a crooked in it.
I'm like, okay, I don't knowhow my insides work, but I'm not
(28:50):
sure this is going to becompatible.
Right, it's that big, but thenit was.
So he starts off with tellingAndrew all right, go get in your
chair and ties him up to thechair.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It wasn't even that they had me undress in front of
them while they were fullyclosed and what he had was he
had.
He had two wrist cuffs and heput them on behind my back and
he put a collar on and then hehad a bar that went from the
collar to the cuffs.
So I was stuck like that and hehad me get on my knees beside
(29:27):
the bed and wait, and that'swhat I was for most of the night
.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Why they, you know so he's really good at the floor
play too.
We do a whole lot of that.
We both have given each otheroral sex and we're we're
enjoying and going witheverything.
And then he puts it inside meand it was like an awakening,
like I'd never experiencedanything like that.
(29:54):
And I remember looking atAndrew and we like make these
eyes, where we communicate witheach other, like is this really
okay, you know?
And I and he gave me like afunny look that I didn't know
how to read and I said out loud,if you told me to stop, I don't
think I could.
Todd was inside of me.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
That is so hot, he thought it was hot too.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
He talked to me about it for a few minutes while they
fucked.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
You know, do you think she stopped?
Do you think he stopped her?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh my god, that is one of the hottest things I've
ever heard.
Oh my god, he was incredible,see things I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Oh my god, he was incredible.
See, he set the bar way toohigh so high, so high, uh.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
And then, after like literally probably two hours of
he and I devouring each otherand drew in this crazy
uncomfortable position, he knewthat andrew was bisexual, but he
hadn't really disclosed to usanything about his own sexuality
, which is totally fine because,of course, bisexual men are
rare and we have sex with peoplewho are not bi, and that's
(31:04):
totally fine.
There's no touching, right, ofcourse, we're consent people,
right.
So he didn't really tell usmuch of anything.
Keep in mind, like my numberone always favorite kink ever is
a dude who will suck dick, whois not necessarily bi, right?
Okay, I love it, I love it.
Same with women.
(31:24):
Actually, like no, I don'tthink I am.
Oh, my God, I love it this onetime.
That's great, good for you,experience it, you know.
So after we do all that, hecalls andrew over to the bed.
Okay, baby, you can finish inthere because you'll, you'll do
details better.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, so he does.
He called, he calls me over tothe bed.
Well, first, right, rightbefore he comes, is when he
calls me over to the bed.
And he calls me over and hesays I, I got a question and he
goes what?
What is this like suction cupthing?
Her pussy's doing this, pullingme back in, like he's talking
to me about the features of howgood my wife's pussy feels, like
(32:04):
it was insane and she's, she's,she's.
She left out a very importantpart in the beginning.
When they first started fucking, she started screaming.
Well, it started real low.
It started with her just goinggod damn.
And this went oh, oh, god damn,oh, oh god damn, oh god damn it
(32:24):
, oh god damn.
It just kept getting louder andI was like, well, she's never
fucking said that before.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
That that's when this gets involuntary, it's not
scripted.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I've been there.
I've said the exact same thingbefore I know see, so you know
it's a real experience.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's truth, right there truth oh so right before
that, and then he, and then hecomes, and he comes in her and
he pulls out and he immediatelyjust shoves his dick down my
throat oh really yeah and justspends a couple minutes just
(33:03):
fucking my face.
I mean just using my face for aminute.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Wait hold on.
Hold on Because, like guys,after they come on isn't their
dick like really sensitive Like?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
do you?
I guess not.
His did not change state at all.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Wow, he was a little bit older than us and we've
decided since then that heprobably took dick pills, which
is good for him because theywork.
So that's probably it.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We were like 35, and he was like 48.
Okay, we've come to theconclusion that he he must've
been on some sort of Cialis.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So he fucked your face.
Wow this is very hot.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, and then and then, when he was done, um, he
just shoved my face into herpussy and just kind of cause you
were restrained, you couldn'tdo anything.
He was just yeah, oh, wow, yeah.
So I cleaned her up and madeher come and and then.
And then he said well, what doyou think he's been a good boy?
She was like of course he'sbeen a good boy.
(34:05):
And he was like well, then weshould reward him.
And that's when they unlockedme and brought me up on the bed
for more of a threesome typecuck holding, which was fun too.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So okay, so you got to have some fun too.
So before okay, before you guyswent into that, you said you
know you he didn't really talkto you about the bisexual part
or anything like that, which wasfine.
But did he talk to you aboutlike was there any discussion
about the tying up and stufflike that, which was fine.
But did he talk to you aboutlike, was there any discussion
about the tying up and stufflike?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
that the only hint we really had was the very first
conversation.
He sent a really nice messagethat was like you know, your
guys' profile is really welldone.
And I'm the one that did it.
So I was like oh, thank you somuch, you know, and he's like
your profile is really well done.
You know, she's beautiful, youguys are a beautiful couple, you
(34:57):
know, if you care to message me.
So we messaged him and of course, he sent a picture and when I
first saw his dick pic, I waslike, am I looking at this right
?
And she was like I think so,you know, because it just
couldn't tell how big it was.
We're like, all right, you know, um.
(35:18):
And then he said he said, um,take a picture and send it to me
.
And I told him, you know, I waslike there's a lot of pictures
of her on the website.
He said no, no, no, no.
I want you to hand her thephone, stand up, take a naked
picture of you and send it to me, oh, of you, of me, oh.
(35:44):
And so it was like verydominant and like, and we were
both like do I listen?
Like you know what?
So we just did it, you know,and it was.
It was really hot, and so we.
That was the first real sign ofdominance, of how the night was
going to go.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Right, first real sign of dominance, of how the
night was going to go right andhe had.
He told us he had had cuckexperience and we were so new to
that piece of it that it waslike, okay, how does this work?
And just unbelievably enough,when he said something, we
wanted to do it.
That's never happened ever theway that he just took charge in
the moment in such anon-aggressive, sexy, hardcore
(36:27):
way.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
He made you want to do it.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Even as a cup.
Because I got that reward atthe end, I knew I was going to
be rewarded for anything I did.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, he understood the psychology behind every role
in the dynamic right, yes.
I think that's what makes abull a really good bull is
somebody who understands thepsychology of it but appreciates
it so much, like loves thatrole, you know, yeah, not just
the oh, I'm going to get somepussy tonight, but like loves to
(37:01):
really fuck around with themental gymnastics of all of that
and like it's so fun exactlyyeah, that's what.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
That's what makes it fun all of that, yeah so did you
see?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
did you guys see him after that, or was it just that
one time?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
we saw him one other time after that, and that was an
amazing experience as well didhe kind go like like push a
little further than the firsttime, or was he?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
it was similar to that first time which was like
so incredibly hot.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Um, it was.
It was similar but different.
Um, like he had, uh, you know,that was the first time I ever
laid underneath her while shegot fucked doggy, Um, you know,
and he kept going back and forthfrom her pussy to my mouth and,
um, at one point he, uh, hemade her come, and when she
(37:53):
comes real hard, uh, shecollapses.
Yeah, She'll just hit the bed.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
She's done Um don't get crazy, I don't cap out.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
So, except for you know, back in October but that
was different.
So she fell off on top of meand he's just standing there
with his dick in my mouth and helooked at her and he did this
just for her.
He said does this turn you on?
And he laid on top of me in his69th.
Oh really Right.
(38:26):
So that's never done that witha man before.
That was very, you know it likeshifted my thinking from oh you
know, I just I just kind oflike to suck dick a bit too.
This is really intimate, andtouching a man's body turns me
on, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know when you replay it back in your mind.
Mind that piece of it too.
If he took the psychology tothe next level of like making
sure to know how I should feelas a hot wife, because he put me
in control of that situationeven without being touched, and
talked to me about it the wholetime, and that's on.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yes, oh he's a really good ball.
We actually just reached out tohim recently and was like, if
you're back in the area, man Ineed to have him on the show,
really like that sounds likesome incredible experiences just
(39:22):
beyond us.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, totally yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
He was amazing.
But he set the bar so high thateveryone else even people she's
had sex with long term, youknow called themselves bull and
we were kind of like, I meanwith a little, with a little do
(39:52):
you drew?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
do you have any of that?
Like most guys, if not all guyswho have cuckolding fantasies
or desires struggle with somesort of shame around that.
Do you have?
Did you ever have any of that?
Like, was there any?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I had a lot of that um.
There was a lot of that throughthe journey.
There was a lot ofembarrassment, a lot of
humiliation, a lot of shame, um.
But as as we got morecomfortable with it and more
people would find out um.
Like there was one day um wetook a couple of friends from
work um, these two girls we workwith, we all went up to this
(40:21):
hot springs for the day, um, howhot springs day.
And she just happened to decideto tell them both oh yeah, you
know, I fuck other man, he'scuckold, and you know what I
mean.
And just them finding out, youknow little things like that um
would embarrass me and turn meon um.
So through the years it'sreally become more of a source
(40:44):
of uh pleasure more thanembarrassment.
You know, those littlehumiliation moments or things
like that, I mean they stillmake me feel embarrassed in the
moment, but later I'm like you,dirty little, you know okay
because, like you know, um,there's so many guys out there,
especially what women do, forsure.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
But the fear that so many guys have and you'll see
this on Reddit too like justabsolute fear of being outed of
other people, finding out ofthem, losing friends, family,
coworkers, whatever, justgripped with fear around this,
and I get it, I totally fuckingunderstand, but do you guys not
(41:29):
give a fuck?
You're just like whatever.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Well, I mean, it's been a process for sure, and we
do give a fuck.
We have lost friends and familyknows too.
We've kind of come full circlewith that.
Um, my family is always beenvery supportive and whatever.
Whatever makes you go, be happy, be happy.
You know type of people.
(41:52):
His family doesn't, I think,know that and that's probably
fine.
And then we've had lots offriends, and typically what
happens with friends when theyfind out, the normal response
that we get, which always drivesme crazy is I could just never.
My husband would never let medo that, because my husband just
loves me way too much to let medo that.
(42:13):
Cringe when I hear that yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
That's always the initial response.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
And I want to respond by saying my husband loves me
so much I do.
Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
You know it's a gift, yeah, and then like half of
those people that respond thatway, they'll come to us.
You know, a few weeks later,like there was a girl we worked
with she, she found out I wasbisexual and she had made some
you know that's gross commentsand things like that.
She found out what we weredoing.
(42:46):
She was like that's gross, myhusband would never let me.
All the same comments.
Two weeks later we're sittingthere at work and she goes.
So can you tell me a little bitmore about it?
Yeah, and I start telling hersome things we've done and some
stories and she's squirmingaround in her chair and she was
like I mean, I'm so wet.
(43:08):
She was like how do I get, howdo I get my man to do this?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Wow, so true, so true .
The good reactions definitelyoutweigh, like those.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
The girl who had the initial bad reaction, who's
coming to us going.
Yeah, how do I make this happen?
You know?
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Most people haven't been together for 29 years.
If you haven't been togetherfor 29 years, don't tell me how
to make it work at 29 years.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, and we're happy and inlove and I don't know anybody
like that decades in, unlessthey continue to maintain
growing and evolving and lovingin whatever capacity that is for
(43:47):
them.
But if you're like staying thesame all the time and not
changing, those people get bored.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah.
That's absolutely right.
I've always felt like with thiskind of relationship dynamic
and you guys, your cuckolding isnot the center of your
relationship.
You call yourself what was apolyamorous swingers with a lot
of cuckolding is not the centerof your relationship.
You call yourself what was apolyamorous swingers with a lot
of cuckolding themes right,which is pretty cool, but I can
see how that would never beboring.
(44:14):
You've got a lot of differentscenarios that you could try and
experiences and all that sortof stuff, right?
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, we've had all kinds of different scenarios and
experiences and I think thereason we're going a little bit
more polyamorous is becausewe're at that point in our
marriage where and we're stillpretty young, you know we're
only mid-40s and you know we'vebeen each other's best friend
(44:44):
and life partner in everything.
You know, um, our whole livesand life experiences happen.
So, like if you meet somebodywho you know, you kind of really
connect with.
I think we're at that pointwhere, um, we're open to explore
those connections Um me, memore than her, cause, you know,
I um, to be honest, I, I don'treally have the capacity to have
(45:06):
more than one.
We, we tried it once.
It did not go well, but there'sa lot of stress on my part.
But, you know, in reverse, youknow if her having a
relationship with another man,you know she doesn't really have
to, you know it would be himputting in more effort, not me
(45:29):
putting in double effort.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
So, instead of taking away from her, like the
relationship we tried with awoman, did you know it would add
to the relationship.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Right In my opinion.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
That makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, the relationship right.
In my opinion, that makes a lotof sense.
Yeah, and I don't know why itmakes my makes me happy to think
about her experiencingsomething like that, but it does
.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I don't really understand it fully, but I know
it does and I accept it and Ilike it that's like a compersion
part, I guess, when you feelyou feel really, really you feel
joy when someone else you loveand care about is experiencing
joy.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah, there's just something about that, right yeah
?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Okay, and so what have been some of the challenges
or the difficulties aroundhaving this aspect, this dynamic
, to your relationship, yourmarriage?
You guys are saying, like lifehappens and stuff like that.
I'm assuming that there's beensome parts of your life where
this has kind of taken abackseat and you've focused more
(46:33):
on other things, or have therebeen issues around communication
?
Everything that I have learnedabout this, about cuckolding, is
that you really need likemaster level communication and
trust and openness and honestyand sharing and all that sort of
stuff.
Right, how's that been for youguys?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
You know, yeah, there's definitely been trials
and tribulations.
The losing relationships isalways a crappy thing,
especially because those peopleare judging our morals and
integrity and that's notsomething that should ever be
questioned based on sex, and sexalone.
You know the fact, our loyaltyand commitment to our marriage
is better than most.
(47:15):
So it's always like you knowthe audacity I feel like really
to get the judgment, and ittakes that communication with
each other and support with eachother and always like saying
how we're feeling and checkingin on everything.
We are to the extreme when itcomes to aftercare.
We like have a ritual of makingout, only making love for a few
(47:39):
days.
Uh, a lot of extra attentionand affection and communication,
a lot of conversation.
What did you think about this?
What did you think about that?
What was this like for you?
Sometimes those conversationslead into more sex sessions,
right, and sometimes it's like,oh my gosh, that's a big lesson
for me.
I'll never do that again ifthat wasn't a vibe right.
But we continue to do that andbecause of that, that's why
(48:02):
we've really got to explore.
There is no fantasy orsituation that either one of us
has ever thought of, that wehaven't shared with each other
and, even more so, been likewell, let's try and do that,
let's figure it out.
You know you want to be watched.
Okay, let's do it outside.
How does that work?
You know, because it's fun.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, and getting that communication was a rough
road, you know we did.
We did have to learn along theway.
Yeah.
Um you know.
So there, there were issueshere and there, but you know we
did work through them.
Um, learn that communication,um, you just, I guess, in our
opinion, you just kind of chooseto communicate or not, and
(48:39):
that's where relationships build, or don't, yes, yeah,
cuckolding or not, that's justhow relationships work.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah, but because we can be so open and honest about
that aspect of our lives, itjust makes everything else that
much easier.
To be that honest about, youknow, instead of like what's
wrong with you, are you upset,we're in a bad mood and like
just not communicating likecouples do, it's like, oh no,
specifically this this happenedat work today and I'm upset
(49:06):
about it.
Let's talk it out abouteverything, because we know that
we're in a safe place to dothat.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Or even if we don't want to talk about it.
It's just, this happened and Idon't want to talk about it.
You know why I'm upset and youdon't have to sit there and
worry.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, yeah, and
so what are some of the lessons,advice tips that you guys would
give for couples who arethinking about cuckolding?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I'm going to say this for the ladies and the
lifestyle Do a lot of self ourwork to destroy what it is.
We have been told since we werechildren about sexuality.
Our bodies are our own.
It is a gift that we get toexplore and feel and amazing
(49:56):
things happen with our bodiessexually, spiritually, love, all
of the above and it's yours.
No one else gets to have a sayin how that goes.
There is no such thing as theword slut.
Every good thing in life.
We have people who are addictedto those things and take it to
the extreme.
Sex is one of them.
(50:17):
It's not a good thing to beaddicted to, but it's definitely
a healthy outlet to enjoy thiscrazy shit show that is this
world, right, it is definitely ahealthy outlet to enjoy this
crazy shit show that is thisworld, right.
Yes, do it Feel good about it.
Love yourself, love yourpartner and have confidence
because you're amazing.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, personally, I feel like it's a tragedy when a
woman does not get theopportunity to really expand and
explore her sexuality in herlife.
Like, how many women do youknow that get married and then
that's it?
They're just with the same dickfor the rest of their life?
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Same position, same time of the week yeah, having an
orgasm, maybe 10% of the time.
Right, that's more normal,which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
I mean to be quite honest, in in cuckolding.
Cuckolding has made me a bettersexual partner, you know.
Oh yeah, I see something andI'm like what the hell did he
just do, you know?
And I'm looking for a book, I'mresearching something.
I'm asking him, hey, what didyou just do?
You know?
Because I want to learn.
That is a really great point,you know.
(51:19):
So I mean, being in thelifestyle has also made us both
way better lovers to each other,you know.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Absolutely Always learning tips Like what did you
just do under there?
Okay, let me try that out right, he's Googling.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Why is her pussy vacuuming, suctioning to his
dick?
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's really incredible.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, it's really a gift that you give each other in
so many different ways, andthat's probably why, when you
brought it up to that woman, whowas like ew, ick, gross, like
how could you, super judgy?
And then she comes back andwants to learn more, because she
realizes this is reallysomething, an opportunity to
expand your own personal growthin your area of sexuality.
(52:15):
This is an opportunity for youto really celebrate that side of
you.
Like you're talking about justthe confidence and everything
like that, and just letting goof the stigma and the slut
shaming and all of that shitlike that.
This is an opportunity for youto.
And it's a fucking gift because, like, as women, we don't
normally get that.
Like that's not.
We don't normally get theopportunity and permission and
(52:37):
and everything that consent tobe able to go and do that
ourselves, but to have a partnerwho's like, yes, let's do's do
this, I love this, I love thisabout you.
I feel like, as a woman, thisis just the best fucking thing.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Right, like having the sex of a woman, but the
safety that a man provides inyourself, great Right.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Right, I love it.
I love it.
I think it's fantastic.
Okay, and one of the otherthings I wanted to say which I
think is great I love how youguys are really making this
relationship your own in yourown way, and like there's so
much pressure out there forpeople to do cuckolding and what
other people think is like theright way, and like it's not
(53:21):
real cuckolding unless you do itthis way and stuff like that.
And I'm guilty of that in thevery beginning when I was trying
to learn about cuckolding, liketrying to figure out like
what's actual cuckolding, what'snot, and kind of gatekeeping
the the whole you can be.
It can only be a cuck if you'rethis way or whatever.
Like this is just stupid shit.
Like.
(53:45):
What has been wonderful for meis to be able to witness couples
like yourself who have theirown very unique style of living
this lifestyle and blending itwith other aspects of
non-monogamy or swinging orwhatever, and so I think that's
really beautiful.
So I'm really happy to have youguys on the show.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
It's been an amazing journey.
I mean so many stories andthings.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Can you write this book already?
Speaker 2 (54:06):
I'm working on it, I'm in the editing, mean, I'm
editing the first part of itreal quick.
Um, I should probably haveheard you that because she's the
one who went to college, but Ithink that would be fantastic
because it sounds like you guyshave some hot stories like oh my
god.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
I must say, like the highlight has been that that one
, that story of your first, likeactual bull, that was hot as
fuck.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we're still trying to get up to
that level again.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Damn, I need my vibrator after this Like that
was incredible.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
It was.
It was an incredible experienceUm one part of that story that
we we left out, um, I don't knowwhy we left out out, but one
part of the story we left out isum my cock was caged.
That entire time as well.
Oh wow, yeah, that was, um,that was fun as well, so it made
the experience even moreintense for me.
(54:57):
Being in that cage.
I never really understood thembefore until that point, and now
I understand, understand themcompletely.
You know, with the uh, just theway it makes your body feels
insane, yeah Well you werecompletely restrained too.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
So you were restrained, restrained
everywhere.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Right, just listening .
And at one point during duringtheir sex.
Um, so I'm sitting there, I'mrestraining, my cocks restrained
.
Um, I'm actually kind ofshaking because of how horny I
am like a, like a dog orsomething you know it was.
You know it was almostembarrassing and um, there was a
(55:36):
.
There was one point where hewas fucking her and I really
couldn't see what was going onand I tried to like lean forward
to get a better view and hesnapped at me and he said he
said turn around and face thewall.
Oh, and he made me turn away andface the wall while they
finished Um, and all I could seewas the shadows and hear it,
and it was so intense.
(55:58):
It was, I mean, God he was sogood.
Oh yeah, the man has a skillset.
God, he was so good.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Oh yeah, the man has a skill set.
That's amazing.
Yeah, he needs to come on theshow, so if you're listening,
you know who this is.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
We'll see if we can get him.
That would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, okay, that's going to be it for this episode.
We have run out of time.
I'm dying to know if there's alot of other stories, though, so
I'm sure that there is, butmaybe I'll have you guys on the
show again at some point in time, or maybe for a pillow talk
event.
That would be really fun.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
We'd love that.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
But thank you so much , becca and Drew.
I really love having you on theshow.
It's been so fun.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Thank, you so much.
It was wonderful.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
It was yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
That's going to be it for today's episode.
Thank you so much for joiningme.
Make sure you go tovenuscuckoldresscom.
That's where you can book aprivate chat with me, and you
can also join the Queens Porterscommunity and get all the
amazing benefits, like theprivate podcast and the helpful
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Snapchat group, monthly privatechats with me and weekly live
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Oh, and you can also submit aquestion or confession for the
show.
Just go to VenusCuckoldresscomand click on the link that says
the podcast.
Make sure you follow me on BlueSky Social.
(57:32):
Yes, I said Blue Sky Social.
Fuck Twitter.
My handle there is atCuckoldress V.
All right, that's it fortoday's show, you guys.
We'll see you next time.
Bye, bye, bye, bye.
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