June 7, 2025 • 58 mins
What happens when your deepest desires are criminalized by society? Ahmed's story opens a window into a shadowy world where the thrill of cuckolding comes with the risk of imprisonment, family destruction, and permanent social exile. Unlike cucks in Western countries who might worry about judgment from friends, Ahmed faces potential arrest and public shaming if his lifestyle choices are discovered in his conservative Arab homeland.
Despite these dangers, Ahmed and his adventurous wife have crafted an extraordinary double life, using work travel to explore their desires in more permissive countries.
What makes this story particularly fascinating is how Ahmed's wife transformed from a traditional virgin bride into a sexually liberated woman who discovered her own pleasure in both the experiences themselves and in the joy they brought her husband.
Ahmed's story ultimately delivers a powerful message about authenticity: "Life is too short to not live expressing yourself. You just need to find somebody who will accept you as you are." For listeners in more permissive societies, his courage offers both inspiration and perspective on the freedoms we often take for granted.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:33):
Welcome to the show.
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Thanks so much for joining metoday.
Today I have a guest named akmedand he's going to talk about
what it's really like to have acuckolding relationship in an
arab country.
This is the first time I've hada guest like this on the show
to share this kind of story, andI'm so glad to do it because
I've learned so much.
This has been fascinating to me.
There are huge risks associatedwith being outed and like
(01:00):
really serious consequences Ifpeople find out what you're into
in these kinds of countries,and this was just so eye-opening
to me.
I couldn't believe it.
It's such a fascinating story,Really shocking, but also very
sexy.
Oh my God.
His wife is something else.
She is amazing.
(01:21):
You're going to love her.
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Okay, joining me on the showtoday.
(02:50):
This is a really cool story.
I have Ahmed who's here to talkabout his story.
Ahmed, say hello to all thelisteners.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, hello to all your fans and your people, and
all our people too, in thiscommunity.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, I'm really excited for you to share your
story because you're the firstguest that I've had on this show
who's from an Arab, Muslim,very religious, conservative
country who has been into thislifestyle and willing to share
his story.
So thank you so much for comingon the show.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You're welcome.
I want to share my story andhighlight that, even though it
is like a secret thing, in ourcountries there is a huge
community of the people who areinto this lifestyle.
Yeah, but due to our you knowcircumstances in our country it
(03:50):
is hard to do that or be alittle bit not open.
But you know, have communitiesor places for that.
It's really hard to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah.
So I know in the United Stateslike I'm here in Canada and it's
a thing here, but for sure inthe United States that's where
the majority of the listenersare of this show you can be into
this lifestyle.
I mean, not many people are outthere like flaunting it, but
you don't have to be afraid oflike a lot of repercussions for
being into this.
But in Arab Muslim conservativecountries, I mean, I have come
(04:30):
across a lot of people actuallyin those countries who've
contacted me over the years totalk about the fact that they
are into this, that they're.
You know it's difficult forthem and stuff like that, and
I've always been just like sosurprised at how many people are
doing it in those countries.
What is the real risk there?
(04:50):
I'm sure there's a heavilystigmatized, but what is the
real risk of being into thecuckolding lifestyle when you
live in one of those countries?
Like, do you, would you likeget arrested or just just
shunned from people, shamed frompeople?
What happens if people find out?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well, let me give you just one incident that happened
last week.
There is a guy and his wife gotarrested because he has a cold
relation with her and his friend, and the story started by.
(05:35):
His friend hadn't any place tostay, so the husband invited him
to stay with him and since heand his wife live in just one
room, so he was sleeping withthem, and this is how it started
.
Then he got out and they gotarrested all of them.
(05:58):
Wow, and you know theinvestigation, the video
investigation, and show iteverywhere on the social media,
and now they are stigmatizedforever.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And plus, in my country the population is small,
Really really small, so mostlyeverybody knows everybody.
If they don't know youpersonally, they don't know your
family name.
So if something like thathappens, it will stigmatize you
forever and your family.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Wow, so, wow, okay, so, and you get, actually get
arrested for it, like you'd haveto go to jail.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yes, wow, yeah, wow, and all three of them.
Not just the husband and wife,no, all three of them.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yes, yeah, wow, and all three of them not just the
husband and wife, no, all threeof them.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Wow Okay, so and wow yeah, that'd be difficult.
So I mean, like, how do you,how would you go about living
this lifestyle?
And like, how do you maintain,maintain, how do you have any
sort of community if you can'ttrust anybody?
Do you have a community there?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
in my country, no, and even the people that I know
they are in the lifestyle orother kind of lifestyle and even
in open marriages andnon-monogamy relations.
Mostly they don't do anythingin the country.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They do it outside the country.
Oh, okay, so you have to havethe means to be able to travel
outside of your country toparticipate in anything that
would be considered differentfrom the expectation of a
relationship in your country.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yes, wow, and I'm lucky in this part because my
kind of work and my ex-wife'skind of work required from us
traveling a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Okay, okay, so you travel for work?
That would make it at least alittle bit easier.
Do you still get afraid ofpeople finding out, though, even
though you're doing thesethings in other countries?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, of course, at one point I have a friend who
was organizing swinger parties.
He was doing that in anothercountry, of course, but most of
his clients are from my country.
Then they encouraged him to dothat in our country and when he
(08:40):
did that he was you know, at thebeginning it was okay.
Then he got discovered, so hehad to escape the country and
now start his activity inanother country.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And he asked me to host with him one of these
parties, since he was short andstuff.
I told him I cannot do thatBecause the people are from our
country.
So the next day when we finishthe party, I will be traveling
with them in the same airplaneback.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Right, right, yes, and you can't trust anybody.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Wow, oh my God, that must be so hard I can't even
imagine.
So let's jump into how you gotinto this in the first place.
Apparently, you started out asa bull for couples, is that
right?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, that's long, like long, long time ago.
Yeah, and this is anotherproblem in our country, our
Muslim country in general.
I started that very, very at ayoung age, like my first couple,
(09:51):
when I was something who can becriminalized in another country
, but it's very normal in ourcountry.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I started at 15 oh, wow yes what were you doing at
15 doing this stuff?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So, honestly, to be saying this is the first
experience I was used by thecouple.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
She was my teacher and lived close to my house too,
so she's my neighbor.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Oh fuck.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yes, and at 15, I was kind of big for my age and I
look like almost exactly like mydad and apparently she had a
crush on him and her husbandwent to cook all things.
(10:54):
So since they didn't couldn'tget my dad, so they get me
instead of him.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Oh my god, this is such a wild story.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It is, oh my god this is such a wild story.
It is, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Wow, that's not cool, though.
You were way too young.
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know I couldn't say that it didn't affect me for
the long run, but at some pointI get over it.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Things start to get better at some point.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, it, things start to get better at some
point.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, that's a bit messed up.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, it is, if you look at it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yes, yeah, Wow, Okay.
Was that the only experiencethat you had with couples like
as a quote-unquote bull?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
No, I had another couple.
Even that was messed up,because the husband he's the one
(12:01):
who introduced me to the wife,and after I got to his wife a
few times, she was really goodand hot and I was young too, so
I got addicted and he wasbisexual so he wanted to do
things with me too.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, First I agreed, Then no, this is not my thing.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So I broke up with them oh, wow, Okay.
And then nothing after that.
You didn't do anything withcouples, anything after that.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I did, but you know I took a long break from any
sexual activities for like from23 to 28.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Five years.
And then I was working at thiscompany and there was this
Italian old dude who's marriedto Egyptian woman, and he
brought her to the company andasked me to come meet her, say
hi to her.
I said hi to her.
I didn't know at first what wasthat about, and then after a
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few days he asked me to comewith him to his apartment
because his wife's computerbroke.
So if I could fix it for her, Isaid sure.
So when we went there he toldme right away I need to take the
dog for a walk or he will notstop barking all night.
So he left me alone with her.
(13:37):
So we sat down, we chatted withher a little, fixed on her
computer.
We sat down, we chatted withher, a little, fixed on her
computer, and then I felt likeshe was trying to seduce me and
I told her he's my co-worker, Icannot do something like that.
She said, don't worry, he willjoin us in a little bit and
(13:58):
watch.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh shit, and you knew exactly what that was all about
.
Yes, yeah, I knew Because of mybest experience and apparently
the first time she came to thecompany was to check me out.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh God, yeah.
So I stayed with this couplefor a few months until his
assignment done in our countryand went back to this country,
so yeah, that was the last one.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Oh, wow, Okay.
And then you met this woman whoyou got married to, and you
eventually brought it up thatyou wanted to be the cuckold
right.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Not like that exactly it's hard to do that in our
culture.
Yeah, so she knew that I havesome sexual experience before.
I told her about some of them.
Okay, and I married her virginand young she's 10 years younger
than me.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And she was virgin and of course we were a little
bit adventurous than mostmarried couple in our country
and we have some little kings,we try some stuff.
Of course we had kids too.
(15:31):
And then at one point sheconvinced me that she had few
experience before we got married.
Yeah, I was like don't tell.
And I know that she.
(15:53):
In high school she had aboyfriend, but it was long
distance.
They met just a few times.
I was thinking that maybesomething normal kids do you
know kissing, maybe somefondling or something like that.
She said no, a little bit morethan that.
So they do some oral stuffapparently.
(16:17):
And at some point she wastrying to do more than that.
So she was working on her backdoor to surprise him with that.
Since she in this countrylosing virginity is a big deal,
(16:40):
she thought maybe something likethat will happen.
So she was getting ready forthat by getting ready in the
other door.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, so she was having anal sex.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, she didn't.
She was getting ready,preparing herself.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So when they met and the thing escalate, she would be
able to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Oh, I'm talking about 18 years ago doing that.
So it kind of was hot.
And when I met her first wewere friends and there was some
flirtation but there was nothingset in stone or clear that we
(17:29):
are together and something likethat.
And at some point before westart the real dating and real
relation, she went to anothercountry with one of her friends
and her friend brought a guy totheir room and they were drunk
(17:51):
and they were having sex andthey tried to get her into it,
into them.
She didn't at first.
Then things escalated so shelet the, she joined them and let
them use her back door.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yes, and after that she got afraid.
She was young I think 20 yearsold at that time and of course
you know Islamic country andstuff and parents.
She freaked out and when shecame back to the country and I
(18:34):
met her again I noticed there'ssomething different.
But I didn't focus on that atthat time and she didn't tell me
that until after five years ofmarriage she confessed that to
me.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Oh Well, you know, I think that shows a lot that she
was able to tell you.
She must have felt safe to tellyou that, yes, yeah, that's
good.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Actually, at some point before we get married, I
told her I don't care if she isnot a virgin.
As long as you are loyal to me,you are open to me, talking to
me, I don't care about anything.
In the past it took her fiveyears to convince that.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wow, you're the best.
But it took her five years toconvince that.
Wow, yeah, so she wasdefinitely not like.
She is definitely a little bitmore um spicy than vanilla.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
and she is spicy, yeah, and she's super, she's
beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So how did it come up where you were like, oh, how
about we do the cuckolding thing?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Before cuckolding.
I know if I go directly forthat she would refuse and things
might.
So I did something maybe thatshe would refuse and things went
.
So I did something, maybemanipulative a little bit.
I told her that you have neverbeen officially with any man
(20:15):
except me, so you have a freepass.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Okay, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And see how do you feel about it later after that.
At first, of course, she said,no, I will be with you.
I said, okay, I'm confidentabout me, my ability, my love
for you, your love for me.
This is something you know,physical, and something that, to
(20:49):
try, it's in your hand.
You want to do it anytime, doit, I have no problem with that.
And I told her about my bestexperience, and especially with
the Italian and Egyptian couple.
At some point I felt lonelybecause after Ramadan I would
just go home and she would staywith him talking about it, you
(21:14):
know, while I'm just there forfor sexual thing.
Yeah, this is the difference,love while I'm just there for
sexual thing.
This is the difference.
Anyway, she didn't accept atsome point and said she will
think about it and we let it fora few months, almost a year.
But there was some teasingabout it sometime when she was
(21:39):
going to her check-up by adoctor, she said he's cute and
he was checking her stuff.
Like that.
I'm teasing about it.
Sometimes when she's going toher doctor, I get checked up by
a doctor.
She said he's cute and he waschecking her stuff like that.
Turn me on.
She discovered that I enjoythis stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, I'm sure it was pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
She'll start teasing me a little bit about that and
one work trip.
I wasn't with her At some point.
We worked together, sameorganization.
Then everybody everyone had hisown job, different organization
had his own job, differentorganization.
(22:19):
So when we were in the sameorganization there was training
in Egypt and I wasn't included.
She went there and then sheslept with a guy.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Who.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yes, he was, you know , a diver, and she freaked out.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh, she had a hard time with it.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
She didn't want to tell me.
She was afraid that I will actweird or differently.
She got scared and she didn'ttell me about it, but I noticed
right away when she came back.
You knew yes, because she sleptwith him the day before she came
(23:16):
back.
Oh, and when she came back, ofcourse, I didn't see her for
almost a month, more than amonth, because I was traveling
before that and she traveledbefore I came back, so it was
like two months.
So, of course, when she cameback, I had sex with her and
(23:38):
right away I noticed there issomething different inside of
her.
I didn't want to freak her out,since she didn't tell me about
it, so we just did a little bitof investigation.
And since she added him atFacebook, so I already know how
(24:02):
he looks like oh, wow and I knowfrom a co-worker that she met
him on a diving trip with allthe group and then she went
alone the day before thecomeback, so I can knock the
door all of them.
(24:22):
So at least that I know thatshe, she did this stuff and she
can you gave her a hot pass yes,and she did it.
I was a little bit angry becauseshe didn't tell me, but I
understand that she freaked out.
So I started assuring her thatI'm okay with something like
(24:46):
that.
And since she didn't tell me, Itold her that she still has a
free pass because I'm pretendingthat I don't know.
Yeah, and she got a little bitscared, and so on a vacation
(25:14):
that we have in turkey afterthat, right away, I found in the
hotel that we are and there isa massage specialist.
He he's a cute Turkish guy andI know that his working schedule
was day on, day off, so Ibooked her three appointments.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Three appointments.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Three appointments, yes, day after day.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So they will know each other, they would get
comfortable and I hope somethingwould happen.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And after the first session I was the one who was
teasing her.
Did something happen?
Did you get a happy ending?
Something like that she goes no, it was good.
Did he touch you anywhere?
She noticed.
So the next appointment shecame.
When she came back she teasedme and had fun with me.
(26:10):
And the third appointment, youknow, she had her completely now
.
So apparently there was alittle bit of action, not a lot,
but there was some teasing andsome flirtation.
And she came back her face wasflushed red and told me about
(26:35):
that and we had fun.
So I was easing her onto this bydoing soft stuff yeah yeah, and
after that I was in Tunisia andI found that there is a band
that she liked having concertconcert there.
(27:08):
So I booked tickets for both ofus and I booked an airline
ticket for her, called her, toldher to bring some sexy dresses
and here's your ticket come meetme in Tunisia.
And she did.
She came, I picked her from theairport, went to the Airbnb,
(27:29):
bought her stuff.
Let me tell you one pointTunisia, it's more developed and
more open-minded country thanmost of the Arab countries.
Okay, so you can dress nicely,you can.
There's nightclubs, you caneven have drinks there, so this
(27:51):
is where we mostly have fun.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So I took her out to dinner.
She drank a little bit of wine.
Then we went out clubbing.
We were dancing.
She looked nice.
I get a little bit tired.
So I sat back and there was thisdude trying to dance with her.
So when I sat he took thechance and started dancing with
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her, getting closer to her.
She was a little bit tipsy atthat time.
So when he got close behind hershe looked at me.
She said like I was giving herthe look of approval.
She gave me this evil smile.
Then she turned back to the guy,started dancing with him,
(28:42):
getting closer to him, let himtouch her, hold her from the
back, and then she let him kissher.
And she took his phone number.
Then she ran away.
I barely grabbed her before sheran away.
I barely grabbed her before sheran away from the club and I
(29:05):
was so turned on by this so Itook her to the bathroom.
We had a little bit of fun.
Then we got back to the Airbnb.
We had more fun there and atthe morning we were getting on
told her to text the guy, text adate with him.
She did that while we weredoing the deed that must have
(29:31):
been hard yes, extremely hard,and we agreed.
She agreed in timing and stuff.
Then the poor guy got dished byus so we went to the concert
and left him hanging.
He didn't go through it tillthe end.
So after that we had latesummer vacation in a small
(29:58):
island in Tunisia and at nightthere's this activity where
there's music, dancing, drinking, stuff like that.
And we got approached by niceolder couples.
They were French, so first theybrought us a few drinks and we
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danced.
He danced with my wife, Idanced with his wife, stuff like
that.
The next day we met them again.
We went out of the hotel, donesome activities.
At evening we did the samething and the other day he was
telling me about how beautifulmy wife and how hot is my wife.
(30:44):
I've been telling him the sameabout his wife.
He said have you ever heardsomething about swinging?
I said oh, of course.
He said what do you think?
I said I have no problem, letme check with the wife.
So I told her about that and Itold her what do you think?
(31:08):
It will be your firstexperience wink, wink.
So it would be safer if I wasthere with you.
What do you think?
She said let me think about ita little, and she has something
for old guy anyway.
She likes them, you.
What do you think she said letme think about it a little, and
she has something for old guyanyway.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
She likes them.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yes.
So she said okay.
So we went to have a littleparty, drink a little bit.
Then we went to their room andwe all had sex in the same room,
the same bed, and he finishedrather quickly with my wife and
(31:51):
both of them stand on the sidewatching me doing his wife.
And after I finished hecouldn't wait so he go down on
her and had reclaimed sex whilewe are standing there watching
really yes so when we left andwe were talking about it, I told
(32:14):
her I want to have reclaimedsex too sometime at some point.
What do you think he said youwill get your chance.
So, so getting closer toosometime at some point.
What do you think he said youwill get your chance.
So, getting closer.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, that's a big step.
That's a big step for her.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yes, it was so, since she already did that in Egypt
and we had that one in theswinging part and when we came
back we talked more about it andat some point she said I want
to confess something to you.
She told me about the Egypt guy.
(32:49):
You know that I'm okay withthat.
It's just I don't want you tohide anything from me, because
our relationship builds on trust.
We don't hide anything from eachother yeah and we had little
talk about that and we work itout and she was really nice to
me so I couldn't be mad and toldher she can go solo or if she
(33:22):
want to have a threesome oranything, I'm up to it, but I
prefer to be included mm-hmm shesaid she will think and see if
there is an opportunity orsomething like that.
And we were planning to go toTurkey for New Year vacation but
(33:47):
I couldn't because of work and,of course, the kids somebody
needs to take care of them heresince their grandma wasn't there
at that time.
So I thought I could go alonehave fun.
(34:08):
And we have a gay guy friendwho said, okay, since he's going
to, okay, I prefer to be withsomebody that I know for
protection.
So they went together there andthere is a guy from our country
(34:36):
followed her there and he knewthat she is there alone without
me really yes, he was trying toseduce her.
She got repulsive by it and shetold me about it.
Told me, now he doesn't showany respect for you trying to do
(34:58):
something behind your back,since we both know him, me, and
we both know this guy.
So she told me about it.
I get, of course, angry at him.
Anyway, the gay guy introducedher to another bunch of gay guy
(35:19):
from their community and shecalled me, asking me for
permission to do something alittle bit wild what was it?
what wild.
She said one of the gay guyfancied me and asked me to beg
(35:40):
him to peg him To peg him.
Yes, I told her you want to dothat.
She said it's an experience andI might like it or something.
I told her go for it, Tell methe details later and she did.
She's so brave, brave.
(36:03):
She's so adventurous, she isand she caught me, so excited,
it was fun.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I like that okay, calm down.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
so she had a little bit of fun there.
Another experience Then whenshe came back here and in
another trip I was in Tunisia.
I have a few friends there.
Some are couples, some justsingle friends.
(36:43):
So every time I go there Ireconnect with them.
And there was this particularcouples that I know the guy and
I know his wife Before I even Iknow the guy.
guy and we go back like 20 yearsand apparently he has a medical
(37:06):
condition where he cannotperform oh yes so I met with the
girl alone at one point and shetold me about his condition and
how she's been suffering foryears now and stuff.
I showed her some of mysympathy.
(37:27):
Then I met with the guy and heopened up to me about the same
thing One time.
We set up a date for both ofhim and his wife.
Just his wife came and we getcloser, a little bit closer, and
there was a concert that we aresupposed to go together to and
(37:57):
he said no, he's too sick to go,so he want me to pick his wife
to go to the concert.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I felt there's something off.
So I called my wife, told herthere might be something off
happening there.
She said go for it.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
She gave you a hall pass.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
She gave me a hall pass.
Wow, I said, okay, we'll see.
And we went to the concert andyou know, the concert, the
Drilling Rush and the music andthe stuff and things could
happen and little bits of thingshappen.
And after the concert, beforewe go to the car, I was little
(38:44):
bit concerned about, you know,my friend and, feeling little
bit guilty about it, told hershe said, don't worry, we are
going back to the house, wherehe is, and we will do Nick there
ok so he know about this.
(39:05):
He is the one who was arrangingthis and we'll do Nick there.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Okay, so he know about this.
He's the one who was arrangingthis, I said perfect with me.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, you know all about that, no problem with that
.
So I went back to the place.
We had a little bit fun there.
He joined us a little bit and Ihad fun with her.
We had fun.
Little bit of fun there.
He joined us a little bit and Ihad fun with her.
We had fun with her Dancing,kissing, fumbling, doing all
that stuff.
When we get to the real stuff,he just sits in the corner and
(39:35):
watches.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
And it was a fun night.
I will not deny it.
I liked it.
So when I went back I gave herdirty tears, she got a little
bit jealous and she didn't keepher hand off me for three days.
I said see, this is how I feelwhen you have something like
(39:59):
that.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
So she felt like she had the same reaction that you
did.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
So after that she went.
Of course we travel a lot.
Now I think about it.
We travel a lot.
At some point in one month wemet like six days.
We traveled for short trips,like four or five days.
We met one day, then shetraveled or I traveled oh wow,
(40:35):
yeah, you guys are crazy, so forone month we met just six days
in total.
So on her trip she was with herfriends and a friend of the
friends was hitting on her.
She was a little bit drunk.
She, of course, said me I thinkthat I'm going for it, and she
(40:59):
went for it, but the experiencewasn't good.
The guy was a little bitaggressive, I think, and she
went for it, but the experiencewasn't good.
The guy was a little bitaggressive, I think.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
So she came back.
She said I didn't like it.
I said that's why I prefer tobe with you there, for more than
one reason.
One of them is to preventsomething like that from
happening.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
So, sid, what do you think?
I said how about we findsomebody that we know, or make
it someone regular, especiallysuggest that we find somebody in
Tunis, since we have mostlytrouble there.
Mm-hmm suggest that we findsomebody in Tunis, since we
mostly travel there.
What do you think?
(41:49):
We have a 10-day work tripthere together.
We can find somebody there, Ithink.
So on that trip we looked for afew options and we remembered
the guy that we ditched.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, oh, you met up with him.
We thought, why not to call him?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Since, oh, you met up with him, we decided not to
call him since he was, you know,kind of kind of cute and he was
kind of nice.
So we set up a date.
She went on a date with him.
She came back.
How was it?
She said he was nice, it wasgood, we connected.
(42:26):
So they set up another date andat the end of the date they
slept together.
And she came back.
How was it?
She said nice, I liked him, himphysically too.
Okay, now I have to meet theguy.
(42:47):
So I went, I met with the guy,tell them about our situation,
and they said I cannot alwaystravel with her and I'd rather
to be with somebody we can trust, like you, respectful, like you
(43:10):
, and when I am not there, youare the husband, you are the
safety.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah safety.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, he agreed to our term and to celebrate that
we went partying together.
We get back to home, hometogether and we had a threesome
together and it was amazing.
We all liked it.
So now, until recently, if shego there alone, she will.
(43:44):
Now went out of there.
If we go together, we go all asa group and we had fun as a
group and it's become likehusband and boyfriend situation.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Right yeah, were you ever afraid that she would like
fall in love with him?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
afraid of what?
Of her falling in love with himI cannot say that didn't cross
my mind at some point that shewas great at assuring me the
difference.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yes, and she was telling me the moment that you
feel anything you want to pullthe plug, just tell me.
I will pull the plug.
I will end it right away.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, and one of the things that she said, that one
of the main reasons that she'sdoing that.
She's sure she liked it andstuff, but it is how it make me
pleasure too, and she's a giver,so this to give her pleasure
that you know that I am excitedabout this and enjoying this too
(44:58):
, so this is one of the reasonwhy she's doing that.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
She's a great person yeah, I think, as a woman from
from like when I met my firstcuck boyfriend, like there was
something really satisfyingabout being able to turn on your
partner, get him so excited andthrilled and like like just
loving it.
To be able to do that, givethat to somebody that you care
(45:28):
about is awesome.
It makes you feel good it makesus both feel good, so that's why
we enjoyed it yeah, yeah andthat feeling that you're talking
about, where you were just likecouldn't keep your hands off
each other for three daysafterwards, that feeling of like
buzzing, like it was just sothrilling and exciting.
(45:50):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yes, every time, never go down.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, so you guys had a bunch of experiences.
She's a wild and crazy one andI love her already.
I like think she's amazing.
I love her.
She's a wild and crazy one andI love her already.
I like think she's amazing.
I love her.
She's so great.
But I don't forget the factthat you guys are having these
experiences.
Yes, it's outside of yourcountry, but still you have to
(46:17):
go back to your country and kindof living in a bit of a fear
that other people might find outsomehow.
That's got to be stressful foryou.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yes, kind of.
The only community that wecould trust here in our country
is the gay community, becausethey are suffering like us.
They are all in secretcommunity too.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Oh right, of course yeah, because it's like not
legal, because they aresuffering like us.
They are all in secretcommunity too.
Oh right, of course yeah,because it's like not legal.
Homosexuality is illegal there,right yes, you can't get
arrested crazy.
Yeah, I guess you can trustthem because they are deeply
closeted yes they have to be,they have to be.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So we have like three really close friends yeah, that
even when they are travelingand she's traveling sometimes
because she's fun, extremely fun, especially when partying and
clubbing and she takes reallygood care of them and she
(47:25):
protects them she's a queen,yeah, so they like to travel
with her.
So when I am not being able totravel with her or our schedule
conflict, sometime one of themgo there with her oh, that's,
that's great.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
That's great to be able to have that somebody you
can trust who's gonna keep hersafe and look out for her.
Yeah, that's good.
Um, so what do you like?
Okay, I've heard from someguests on my show and from other
people in this lifestyle that,like it's the the taboo nature
(48:04):
of cuckolding, where this is notsomething that you're supposed
to like, this is not somethingthat your wife's supposed to do,
this is not like it's verynaughty, naughty, um, and that
it's because it's so taboo thatit is so exciting.
And I've heard that from peoplethat like people that maybe if
(48:26):
it wasn't so taboo that it mightnot be as appealing to some
people.
Do you think that that's thesame for you?
Do you like the fact that thisis so naughty, that this is so
exciting and that you shouldn'tbe doing this, or do you wish
that it was more?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
First, we like the rush of the taboo thing.
This is sure thing.
It's not only about this kingor this lifestyle, all other
things that are taboo and stuff.
They are always appealing,that's sure of that.
But I would wish that it wouldbe more easier, more acceptable
(49:10):
to do that, because at somepoint in the 70s, 60s and 70s
and beginning of the 80s it waskind of starting to be
acceptable in our country.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yes, there was a lot of stuff like that happening and
there is a small community,some groups, that are known for
that.
But in the middle of the 80suntil the middle of the 90s
until the middle of the 90s inthese 10 years, the demographic
(49:48):
changed completely in most ofthe Arab country.
The Islamic extreme Islamicwave started there and it
started to change everything,even how people look.
Now it fits.
I remember in the 80s the skirtwas something normal in my
(50:09):
country.
Now, if you don't wear hijab,it's not.
If you have your hair in theair, it's something weird.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
now, before, it was the opposite.
So do you think it's gettingeven more strict in your country
now, continuing to get morestrict?
Yes, have you ever consideredmoving?
Just so you can live your lifea little bit more free as far as
(50:39):
your relationship yes, I wish Icould do that.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
but the problem that with the economy, as far as like
your relationship yes, I wish Icould do that.
Yeah, but the problem that withthe economy and all around the
world it's getting worse.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's tough.
So what do you, having sharedyour story on the show today?
What do you hope that thelisteners take away from what
you've had to say?
Speaker 2 (51:12):
What do you hope they learn most about your story
today?
What I hope to learn that it isit's not something stigmatized
or something bad or will makeyou less.
If you do that, what I want totell them it's life is too short
, to live it expressing yourself.
(51:32):
You just need to find somebodywho will accept you how you are
and accept them as you, as theyare, and support each other and
your own needs and your desire,and I hope that at some point in
our country and our world,everybody can express themselves
(51:54):
freely and be themselveswithout this thought shell that
society make us wear aroundourselves yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
it's one thing to get embarrassed or shamed by people
because you're into something,but when you risk getting
arrested, that's like that sucks, that's hard.
That means it's hard, it's notabout getting arrested.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Your whole world will fall apart.
Your family will shun you,people will obviously see you in
the street, street, they willcall you names and stuff and you
cannot live a normal lifeanymore people you wouldn't even
know would be would be shamingyou.
Yeah, crazy even people who isin this?
Oh fuck, they will shun you andtrying to hurt you to prove to
(52:46):
the other people that they arenot like you.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Right, oh, that's awful, that's terrible.
That's terrible.
All right.
Well, we are out of time.
I do want to say a big thankyou for you to share your story
and for anybody listening.
Right now I am going to post anemail address for Ahmed.
If you'd like to reach out andif you'd like to ask him a
(53:11):
question or give him a commentabout his story, you're welcome
to do that.
So you can find that in theepisode description notes for
today's show.
Ahmed, thank you so much forcoming on the show.
I really appreciate you comingon and sharing your story.
I've really learned a lot and Ithink it'll resonate with a lot
of listeners.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
You're welcome and thank you for giving me the
chance to let my voice heard,and the voice of my people too,
in our country.
So thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
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Today I have a guest named akmedand he's going to talk about
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arab country.
This is the first time I've hada guest like this on the show
to share this kind of story, andI'm so glad to do it because
I've learned so much.
This has been fascinating to me.
There are huge risks associatedwith being outed and like
(01:00):
really serious consequences Ifpeople find out what you're into
in these kinds of countries,and this was just so eye-opening
to me.
I couldn't believe it.
It's such a fascinating story,Really shocking, but also very
sexy.
Oh my God.
His wife is something else.
She is amazing.
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Okay, joining me on the showtoday.
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This is a really cool story.
I have Ahmed who's here to talkabout his story.
Ahmed, say hello to all thelisteners.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, hello to all your fans and your people, and
all our people too, in thiscommunity.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, I'm really excited for you to share your
story because you're the firstguest that I've had on this show
who's from an Arab, Muslim,very religious, conservative
country who has been into thislifestyle and willing to share
his story.
So thank you so much for comingon the show.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You're welcome.
I want to share my story andhighlight that, even though it
is like a secret thing, in ourcountries there is a huge
community of the people who areinto this lifestyle.
Yeah, but due to our you knowcircumstances in our country it
(03:50):
is hard to do that or be alittle bit not open.
But you know, have communitiesor places for that.
It's really hard to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah.
So I know in the United Stateslike I'm here in Canada and it's
a thing here, but for sure inthe United States that's where
the majority of the listenersare of this show you can be into
this lifestyle.
I mean, not many people are outthere like flaunting it, but
you don't have to be afraid oflike a lot of repercussions for
being into this.
But in Arab Muslim conservativecountries, I mean, I have come
(04:30):
across a lot of people actuallyin those countries who've
contacted me over the years totalk about the fact that they
are into this, that they're.
You know it's difficult forthem and stuff like that, and
I've always been just like sosurprised at how many people are
doing it in those countries.
What is the real risk there?
(04:50):
I'm sure there's a heavilystigmatized, but what is the
real risk of being into thecuckolding lifestyle when you
live in one of those countries?
Like, do you, would you likeget arrested or just just
shunned from people, shamed frompeople?
What happens if people find out?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well, let me give you just one incident that happened
last week.
There is a guy and his wife gotarrested because he has a cold
relation with her and his friend, and the story started by.
(05:35):
His friend hadn't any place tostay, so the husband invited him
to stay with him and since heand his wife live in just one
room, so he was sleeping withthem, and this is how it started
.
Then he got out and they gotarrested all of them.
(05:58):
Wow, and you know theinvestigation, the video
investigation, and show iteverywhere on the social media,
and now they are stigmatizedforever.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And plus, in my country the population is small,
Really really small, so mostlyeverybody knows everybody.
If they don't know youpersonally, they don't know your
family name.
So if something like thathappens, it will stigmatize you
forever and your family.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Wow, so, wow, okay, so, and you get, actually get
arrested for it, like you'd haveto go to jail.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yes, wow, yeah, wow, and all three of them.
Not just the husband and wife,no, all three of them.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yes, yeah, wow, and all three of them not just the
husband and wife, no, all threeof them.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Wow Okay, so and wow yeah, that'd be difficult.
So I mean, like, how do you,how would you go about living
this lifestyle?
And like, how do you maintain,maintain, how do you have any
sort of community if you can'ttrust anybody?
Do you have a community there?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
in my country, no, and even the people that I know
they are in the lifestyle orother kind of lifestyle and even
in open marriages andnon-monogamy relations.
Mostly they don't do anythingin the country.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They do it outside the country.
Oh, okay, so you have to havethe means to be able to travel
outside of your country toparticipate in anything that
would be considered differentfrom the expectation of a
relationship in your country.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yes, wow, and I'm lucky in this part because my
kind of work and my ex-wife'skind of work required from us
traveling a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Okay, okay, so you travel for work?
That would make it at least alittle bit easier.
Do you still get afraid ofpeople finding out, though, even
though you're doing thesethings in other countries?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, of course, at one point I have a friend who
was organizing swinger parties.
He was doing that in anothercountry, of course, but most of
his clients are from my country.
Then they encouraged him to dothat in our country and when he
(08:40):
did that he was you know, at thebeginning it was okay.
Then he got discovered, so hehad to escape the country and
now start his activity inanother country.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And he asked me to host with him one of these
parties, since he was short andstuff.
I told him I cannot do thatBecause the people are from our
country.
So the next day when we finishthe party, I will be traveling
with them in the same airplaneback.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Right, right, yes, and you can't trust anybody.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Wow, oh my God, that must be so hard I can't even
imagine.
So let's jump into how you gotinto this in the first place.
Apparently, you started out asa bull for couples, is that
right?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, that's long, like long, long time ago.
Yeah, and this is anotherproblem in our country, our
Muslim country in general.
I started that very, very at ayoung age, like my first couple,
(09:51):
when I was something who can becriminalized in another country
, but it's very normal in ourcountry.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I started at 15 oh, wow yes what were you doing at
15 doing this stuff?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So, honestly, to be saying this is the first
experience I was used by thecouple.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
She was my teacher and lived close to my house too,
so she's my neighbor.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Oh fuck.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yes, and at 15, I was kind of big for my age and I
look like almost exactly like mydad and apparently she had a
crush on him and her husbandwent to cook all things.
(10:54):
So since they didn't couldn'tget my dad, so they get me
instead of him.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Oh my god, this is such a wild story.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It is, oh my god this is such a wild story.
It is, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Wow, that's not cool, though.
You were way too young.
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know I couldn't say that it didn't affect me for
the long run, but at some pointI get over it.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Things start to get better at some point.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, it, things start to get better at some
point.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, that's a bit messed up.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, it is, if you look at it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yes, yeah, Wow, Okay.
Was that the only experiencethat you had with couples like
as a quote-unquote bull?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
No, I had another couple.
Even that was messed up,because the husband he's the one
(12:01):
who introduced me to the wife,and after I got to his wife a
few times, she was really goodand hot and I was young too, so
I got addicted and he wasbisexual so he wanted to do
things with me too.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, First I agreed, Then no, this is not my thing.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So I broke up with them oh, wow, Okay.
And then nothing after that.
You didn't do anything withcouples, anything after that.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I did, but you know I took a long break from any
sexual activities for like from23 to 28.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Five years.
And then I was working at thiscompany and there was this
Italian old dude who's marriedto Egyptian woman, and he
brought her to the company andasked me to come meet her, say
hi to her.
I said hi to her.
I didn't know at first what wasthat about, and then after a
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few days he asked me to comewith him to his apartment
because his wife's computerbroke.
So if I could fix it for her, Isaid sure.
So when we went there he toldme right away I need to take the
dog for a walk or he will notstop barking all night.
So he left me alone with her.
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So we sat down, we chatted withher a little, fixed on her
computer.
We sat down, we chatted withher, a little, fixed on her
computer, and then I felt likeshe was trying to seduce me and
I told her he's my co-worker, Icannot do something like that.
She said, don't worry, he willjoin us in a little bit and
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watch.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh shit, and you knew exactly what that was all about
.
Yes, yeah, I knew Because of mybest experience and apparently
the first time she came to thecompany was to check me out.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh God, yeah.
So I stayed with this couplefor a few months until his
assignment done in our countryand went back to this country,
so yeah, that was the last one.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Oh, wow, Okay.
And then you met this woman whoyou got married to, and you
eventually brought it up thatyou wanted to be the cuckold
right.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Not like that exactly it's hard to do that in our
culture.
Yeah, so she knew that I havesome sexual experience before.
I told her about some of them.
Okay, and I married her virginand young she's 10 years younger
than me.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And she was virgin and of course we were a little
bit adventurous than mostmarried couple in our country
and we have some little kings,we try some stuff.
Of course we had kids too.
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And then at one point sheconvinced me that she had few
experience before we got married.
Yeah, I was like don't tell.
And I know that she.
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In high school she had aboyfriend, but it was long
distance.
They met just a few times.
I was thinking that maybesomething normal kids do you
know kissing, maybe somefondling or something like that.
She said no, a little bit morethan that.
So they do some oral stuffapparently.
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And at some point she wastrying to do more than that.
So she was working on her backdoor to surprise him with that.
Since she in this countrylosing virginity is a big deal,
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she thought maybe something likethat will happen.
So she was getting ready forthat by getting ready in the
other door.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, so she was having anal sex.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, she didn't.
She was getting ready,preparing herself.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So when they met and the thing escalate, she would be
able to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Oh, I'm talking about 18 years ago doing that.
So it kind of was hot.
And when I met her first wewere friends and there was some
flirtation but there was nothingset in stone or clear that we
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are together and something likethat.
And at some point before westart the real dating and real
relation, she went to anothercountry with one of her friends
and her friend brought a guy totheir room and they were drunk
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and they were having sex andthey tried to get her into it,
into them.
She didn't at first.
Then things escalated so shelet the, she joined them and let
them use her back door.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yes, and after that she got afraid.
She was young I think 20 yearsold at that time and of course
you know Islamic country andstuff and parents.
She freaked out and when shecame back to the country and I
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met her again I noticed there'ssomething different.
But I didn't focus on that atthat time and she didn't tell me
that until after five years ofmarriage she confessed that to
me.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Oh Well, you know, I think that shows a lot that she
was able to tell you.
She must have felt safe to tellyou that, yes, yeah, that's
good.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Actually, at some point before we get married, I
told her I don't care if she isnot a virgin.
As long as you are loyal to me,you are open to me, talking to
me, I don't care about anything.
In the past it took her fiveyears to convince that.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wow, you're the best.
But it took her five years toconvince that.
Wow, yeah, so she wasdefinitely not like.
She is definitely a little bitmore um spicy than vanilla.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
and she is spicy, yeah, and she's super, she's
beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So how did it come up where you were like, oh, how
about we do the cuckolding thing?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Before cuckolding.
I know if I go directly forthat she would refuse and things
might.
So I did something maybe thatshe would refuse and things went
.
So I did something, maybemanipulative a little bit.
I told her that you have neverbeen officially with any man
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except me, so you have a freepass.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Okay, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And see how do you feel about it later after that.
At first, of course, she said,no, I will be with you.
I said, okay, I'm confidentabout me, my ability, my love
for you, your love for me.
This is something you know,physical, and something that, to
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try, it's in your hand.
You want to do it anytime, doit, I have no problem with that.
And I told her about my bestexperience, and especially with
the Italian and Egyptian couple.
At some point I felt lonelybecause after Ramadan I would
just go home and she would staywith him talking about it, you
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know, while I'm just there forfor sexual thing.
Yeah, this is the difference,love while I'm just there for
sexual thing.
This is the difference.
Anyway, she didn't accept atsome point and said she will
think about it and we let it fora few months, almost a year.
But there was some teasingabout it sometime when she was
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going to her check-up by adoctor, she said he's cute and
he was checking her stuff.
Like that.
I'm teasing about it.
Sometimes when she's going toher doctor, I get checked up by
a doctor.
She said he's cute and he waschecking her stuff like that.
Turn me on.
She discovered that I enjoythis stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, I'm sure it was pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
She'll start teasing me a little bit about that and
one work trip.
I wasn't with her At some point.
We worked together, sameorganization.
Then everybody everyone had hisown job, different organization
had his own job, differentorganization.
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So when we were in the sameorganization there was training
in Egypt and I wasn't included.
She went there and then sheslept with a guy.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Who.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yes, he was, you know , a diver, and she freaked out.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh, she had a hard time with it.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
She didn't want to tell me.
She was afraid that I will actweird or differently.
She got scared and she didn'ttell me about it, but I noticed
right away when she came back.
You knew yes, because she sleptwith him the day before she came
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back.
Oh, and when she came back, ofcourse, I didn't see her for
almost a month, more than amonth, because I was traveling
before that and she traveledbefore I came back, so it was
like two months.
So, of course, when she cameback, I had sex with her and
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right away I noticed there issomething different inside of
her.
I didn't want to freak her out,since she didn't tell me about
it, so we just did a little bitof investigation.
And since she added him atFacebook, so I already know how
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he looks like oh, wow and I knowfrom a co-worker that she met
him on a diving trip with allthe group and then she went
alone the day before thecomeback, so I can knock the
door all of them.
(24:22):
So at least that I know thatshe, she did this stuff and she
can you gave her a hot pass yes,and she did it.
I was a little bit angry becauseshe didn't tell me, but I
understand that she freaked out.
So I started assuring her thatI'm okay with something like
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that.
And since she didn't tell me, Itold her that she still has a
free pass because I'm pretendingthat I don't know.
Yeah, and she got a little bitscared, and so on a vacation
(25:14):
that we have in turkey afterthat, right away, I found in the
hotel that we are and there isa massage specialist.
He he's a cute Turkish guy andI know that his working schedule
was day on, day off, so Ibooked her three appointments.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Three appointments.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Three appointments, yes, day after day.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So they will know each other, they would get
comfortable and I hope somethingwould happen.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And after the first session I was the one who was
teasing her.
Did something happen?
Did you get a happy ending?
Something like that she goes no, it was good.
Did he touch you anywhere?
She noticed.
So the next appointment shecame.
When she came back she teasedme and had fun with me.
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And the third appointment, youknow, she had her completely now
.
So apparently there was alittle bit of action, not a lot,
but there was some teasing andsome flirtation.
And she came back her face wasflushed red and told me about
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that and we had fun.
So I was easing her onto this bydoing soft stuff yeah yeah, and
after that I was in Tunisia andI found that there is a band
that she liked having concertconcert there.
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So I booked tickets for both ofus and I booked an airline
ticket for her, called her, toldher to bring some sexy dresses
and here's your ticket come meetme in Tunisia.
And she did.
She came, I picked her from theairport, went to the Airbnb,
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bought her stuff.
Let me tell you one pointTunisia, it's more developed and
more open-minded country thanmost of the Arab countries.
Okay, so you can dress nicely,you can.
There's nightclubs, you caneven have drinks there, so this
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is where we mostly have fun.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So I took her out to dinner.
She drank a little bit of wine.
Then we went out clubbing.
We were dancing.
She looked nice.
I get a little bit tired.
So I sat back and there was thisdude trying to dance with her.
So when I sat he took thechance and started dancing with
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her, getting closer to her.
She was a little bit tipsy atthat time.
So when he got close behind hershe looked at me.
She said like I was giving herthe look of approval.
She gave me this evil smile.
Then she turned back to the guy,started dancing with him,
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getting closer to him, let himtouch her, hold her from the
back, and then she let him kissher.
And she took his phone number.
Then she ran away.
I barely grabbed her before sheran away.
I barely grabbed her before sheran away from the club and I
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was so turned on by this so Itook her to the bathroom.
We had a little bit of fun.
Then we got back to the Airbnb.
We had more fun there and atthe morning we were getting on
told her to text the guy, text adate with him.
She did that while we weredoing the deed that must have
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been hard yes, extremely hard,and we agreed.
She agreed in timing and stuff.
Then the poor guy got dished byus so we went to the concert
and left him hanging.
He didn't go through it tillthe end.
So after that we had latesummer vacation in a small
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island in Tunisia and at nightthere's this activity where
there's music, dancing, drinking, stuff like that.
And we got approached by niceolder couples.
They were French, so first theybrought us a few drinks and we
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danced.
He danced with my wife, Idanced with his wife, stuff like
that.
The next day we met them again.
We went out of the hotel, donesome activities.
At evening we did the samething and the other day he was
telling me about how beautifulmy wife and how hot is my wife.
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I've been telling him the sameabout his wife.
He said have you ever heardsomething about swinging?
I said oh, of course.
He said what do you think?
I said I have no problem, letme check with the wife.
So I told her about that and Itold her what do you think?
(31:08):
It will be your firstexperience wink, wink.
So it would be safer if I wasthere with you.
What do you think?
She said let me think about ita little, and she has something
for old guy anyway.
She likes them, you.
What do you think she said letme think about it a little, and
she has something for old guyanyway.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
She likes them.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yes.
So she said okay.
So we went to have a littleparty, drink a little bit.
Then we went to their room andwe all had sex in the same room,
the same bed, and he finishedrather quickly with my wife and
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both of them stand on the sidewatching me doing his wife.
And after I finished hecouldn't wait so he go down on
her and had reclaimed sex whilewe are standing there watching
really yes so when we left andwe were talking about it, I told
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her I want to have reclaimedsex too sometime at some point.
What do you think he said youwill get your chance.
So, so getting closer toosometime at some point.
What do you think he said youwill get your chance.
So, getting closer.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, that's a big step.
That's a big step for her.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yes, it was so, since she already did that in Egypt
and we had that one in theswinging part and when we came
back we talked more about it andat some point she said I want
to confess something to you.
She told me about the Egypt guy.
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You know that I'm okay withthat.
It's just I don't want you tohide anything from me, because
our relationship builds on trust.
We don't hide anything from eachother yeah and we had little
talk about that and we work itout and she was really nice to
me so I couldn't be mad and toldher she can go solo or if she
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want to have a threesome oranything, I'm up to it, but I
prefer to be included mm-hmm shesaid she will think and see if
there is an opportunity orsomething like that.
And we were planning to go toTurkey for New Year vacation but
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I couldn't because of work and,of course, the kids somebody
needs to take care of them heresince their grandma wasn't there
at that time.
So I thought I could go alonehave fun.
(34:08):
And we have a gay guy friendwho said, okay, since he's going
to, okay, I prefer to be withsomebody that I know for
protection.
So they went together there andthere is a guy from our country
(34:36):
followed her there and he knewthat she is there alone without
me really yes, he was trying toseduce her.
She got repulsive by it and shetold me about it.
Told me, now he doesn't showany respect for you trying to do
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something behind your back,since we both know him, me, and
we both know this guy.
So she told me about it.
I get, of course, angry at him.
Anyway, the gay guy introducedher to another bunch of gay guy
(35:19):
from their community and shecalled me, asking me for
permission to do something alittle bit wild what was it?
what wild.
She said one of the gay guyfancied me and asked me to beg
(35:40):
him to peg him To peg him.
Yes, I told her you want to dothat.
She said it's an experience andI might like it or something.
I told her go for it, Tell methe details later and she did.
She's so brave, brave.
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She's so adventurous, she isand she caught me, so excited,
it was fun.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I like that okay, calm down.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
so she had a little bit of fun there.
Another experience Then whenshe came back here and in
another trip I was in Tunisia.
I have a few friends there.
Some are couples, some justsingle friends.
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So every time I go there Ireconnect with them.
And there was this particularcouples that I know the guy and
I know his wife Before I even Iknow the guy.
guy and we go back like 20 yearsand apparently he has a medical
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condition where he cannotperform oh yes so I met with the
girl alone at one point and shetold me about his condition and
how she's been suffering foryears now and stuff.
I showed her some of mysympathy.
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Then I met with the guy and heopened up to me about the same
thing One time.
We set up a date for both ofhim and his wife.
Just his wife came and we getcloser, a little bit closer, and
there was a concert that we aresupposed to go together to and
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he said no, he's too sick to go,so he want me to pick his wife
to go to the concert.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I felt there's something off.
So I called my wife, told herthere might be something off
happening there.
She said go for it.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
She gave you a hall pass.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
She gave me a hall pass.
Wow, I said, okay, we'll see.
And we went to the concert andyou know, the concert, the
Drilling Rush and the music andthe stuff and things could
happen and little bits of thingshappen.
And after the concert, beforewe go to the car, I was little
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bit concerned about, you know,my friend and, feeling little
bit guilty about it, told hershe said, don't worry, we are
going back to the house, wherehe is, and we will do Nick there
ok so he know about this.
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He is the one who was arrangingthis and we'll do Nick there.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Okay, so he know about this.
He's the one who was arrangingthis, I said perfect with me.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, you know all about that, no problem with that
.
So I went back to the place.
We had a little bit fun there.
He joined us a little bit and Ihad fun with her.
We had fun.
Little bit of fun there.
He joined us a little bit and Ihad fun with her.
We had fun with her Dancing,kissing, fumbling, doing all
that stuff.
When we get to the real stuff,he just sits in the corner and
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watches.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
And it was a fun night.
I will not deny it.
I liked it.
So when I went back I gave herdirty tears, she got a little
bit jealous and she didn't keepher hand off me for three days.
I said see, this is how I feelwhen you have something like
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that.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
So she felt like she had the same reaction that you
did.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
So after that she went.
Of course we travel a lot.
Now I think about it.
We travel a lot.
At some point in one month wemet like six days.
We traveled for short trips,like four or five days.
We met one day, then shetraveled or I traveled oh wow,
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yeah, you guys are crazy, so forone month we met just six days
in total.
So on her trip she was with herfriends and a friend of the
friends was hitting on her.
She was a little bit drunk.
She, of course, said me I thinkthat I'm going for it, and she
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went for it, but the experiencewasn't good.
The guy was a little bitaggressive, I think, and she
went for it, but the experiencewasn't good.
The guy was a little bitaggressive, I think.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
So she came back.
She said I didn't like it.
I said that's why I prefer tobe with you there, for more than
one reason.
One of them is to preventsomething like that from
happening.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
So, sid, what do you think?
I said how about we findsomebody that we know, or make
it someone regular, especiallysuggest that we find somebody in
Tunis, since we have mostlytrouble there.
Mm-hmm suggest that we findsomebody in Tunis, since we
mostly travel there.
What do you think?
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We have a 10-day work tripthere together.
We can find somebody there, Ithink.
So on that trip we looked for afew options and we remembered
the guy that we ditched.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, oh, you met up with him.
We thought, why not to call him?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Since, oh, you met up with him, we decided not to
call him since he was, you know,kind of kind of cute and he was
kind of nice.
So we set up a date.
She went on a date with him.
She came back.
How was it?
She said he was nice, it wasgood, we connected.
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So they set up another date andat the end of the date they
slept together.
And she came back.
How was it?
She said nice, I liked him, himphysically too.
Okay, now I have to meet theguy.
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So I went, I met with the guy,tell them about our situation,
and they said I cannot alwaystravel with her and I'd rather
to be with somebody we can trust, like you, respectful, like you
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, and when I am not there, youare the husband, you are the
safety.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah safety.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, he agreed to our term and to celebrate that
we went partying together.
We get back to home, hometogether and we had a threesome
together and it was amazing.
We all liked it.
So now, until recently, if shego there alone, she will.
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Now went out of there.
If we go together, we go all asa group and we had fun as a
group and it's become likehusband and boyfriend situation.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Right yeah, were you ever afraid that she would like
fall in love with him?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
afraid of what?
Of her falling in love with himI cannot say that didn't cross
my mind at some point that shewas great at assuring me the
difference.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yes, and she was telling me the moment that you
feel anything you want to pullthe plug, just tell me.
I will pull the plug.
I will end it right away.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, and one of the things that she said, that one
of the main reasons that she'sdoing that.
She's sure she liked it andstuff, but it is how it make me
pleasure too, and she's a giver,so this to give her pleasure
that you know that I am excitedabout this and enjoying this too
(44:58):
, so this is one of the reasonwhy she's doing that.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
She's a great person yeah, I think, as a woman from
from like when I met my firstcuck boyfriend, like there was
something really satisfyingabout being able to turn on your
partner, get him so excited andthrilled and like like just
loving it.
To be able to do that, givethat to somebody that you care
(45:28):
about is awesome.
It makes you feel good it makesus both feel good, so that's why
we enjoyed it yeah, yeah andthat feeling that you're talking
about, where you were just likecouldn't keep your hands off
each other for three daysafterwards, that feeling of like
buzzing, like it was just sothrilling and exciting.
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I love that.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yes, every time, never go down.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, so you guys had a bunch of experiences.
She's a wild and crazy one andI love her already.
I like think she's amazing.
I love her.
She's a wild and crazy one andI love her already.
I like think she's amazing.
I love her.
She's so great.
But I don't forget the factthat you guys are having these
experiences.
Yes, it's outside of yourcountry, but still you have to
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go back to your country and kindof living in a bit of a fear
that other people might find outsomehow.
That's got to be stressful foryou.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yes, kind of.
The only community that wecould trust here in our country
is the gay community, becausethey are suffering like us.
They are all in secretcommunity too.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Oh right, of course yeah, because it's like not
legal, because they aresuffering like us.
They are all in secretcommunity too.
Oh right, of course yeah,because it's like not legal.
Homosexuality is illegal there,right yes, you can't get
arrested crazy.
Yeah, I guess you can trustthem because they are deeply
closeted yes they have to be,they have to be.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So we have like three really close friends yeah, that
even when they are travelingand she's traveling sometimes
because she's fun, extremely fun, especially when partying and
clubbing and she takes reallygood care of them and she
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protects them she's a queen,yeah, so they like to travel
with her.
So when I am not being able totravel with her or our schedule
conflict, sometime one of themgo there with her oh, that's,
that's great.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
That's great to be able to have that somebody you
can trust who's gonna keep hersafe and look out for her.
Yeah, that's good.
Um, so what do you like?
Okay, I've heard from someguests on my show and from other
people in this lifestyle that,like it's the the taboo nature
(48:04):
of cuckolding, where this is notsomething that you're supposed
to like, this is not somethingthat your wife's supposed to do,
this is not like it's verynaughty, naughty, um, and that
it's because it's so taboo thatit is so exciting.
And I've heard that from peoplethat like people that maybe if
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it wasn't so taboo that it mightnot be as appealing to some
people.
Do you think that that's thesame for you?
Do you like the fact that thisis so naughty, that this is so
exciting and that you shouldn'tbe doing this, or do you wish
that it was more?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
First, we like the rush of the taboo thing.
This is sure thing.
It's not only about this kingor this lifestyle, all other
things that are taboo and stuff.
They are always appealing,that's sure of that.
But I would wish that it wouldbe more easier, more acceptable
(49:10):
to do that, because at somepoint in the 70s, 60s and 70s
and beginning of the 80s it waskind of starting to be
acceptable in our country.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yes, there was a lot of stuff like that happening and
there is a small community,some groups, that are known for
that.
But in the middle of the 80suntil the middle of the 90s
until the middle of the 90s inthese 10 years, the demographic
(49:48):
changed completely in most ofthe Arab country.
The Islamic extreme Islamicwave started there and it
started to change everything,even how people look.
Now it fits.
I remember in the 80s the skirtwas something normal in my
(50:09):
country.
Now, if you don't wear hijab,it's not.
If you have your hair in theair, it's something weird.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
now, before, it was the opposite.
So do you think it's gettingeven more strict in your country
now, continuing to get morestrict?
Yes, have you ever consideredmoving?
Just so you can live your lifea little bit more free as far as
(50:39):
your relationship yes, I wish Icould do that.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
but the problem that with the economy, as far as like
your relationship yes, I wish Icould do that.
Yeah, but the problem that withthe economy and all around the
world it's getting worse.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's tough.
So what do you, having sharedyour story on the show today?
What do you hope that thelisteners take away from what
you've had to say?
Speaker 2 (51:12):
What do you hope they learn most about your story
today?
What I hope to learn that it isit's not something stigmatized
or something bad or will makeyou less.
If you do that, what I want totell them it's life is too short
, to live it expressing yourself.
(51:32):
You just need to find somebodywho will accept you how you are
and accept them as you, as theyare, and support each other and
your own needs and your desire,and I hope that at some point in
our country and our world,everybody can express themselves
(51:54):
freely and be themselveswithout this thought shell that
society make us wear aroundourselves yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
it's one thing to get embarrassed or shamed by people
because you're into something,but when you risk getting
arrested, that's like that sucks, that's hard.
That means it's hard, it's notabout getting arrested.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Your whole world will fall apart.
Your family will shun you,people will obviously see you in
the street, street, they willcall you names and stuff and you
cannot live a normal lifeanymore people you wouldn't even
know would be would be shamingyou.
Yeah, crazy even people who isin this?
Oh fuck, they will shun you andtrying to hurt you to prove to
(52:46):
the other people that they arenot like you.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Right, oh, that's awful, that's terrible.
That's terrible.
All right.
Well, we are out of time.
I do want to say a big thankyou for you to share your story
and for anybody listening.
Right now I am going to post anemail address for Ahmed.
If you'd like to reach out andif you'd like to ask him a
(53:11):
question or give him a commentabout his story, you're welcome
to do that.
So you can find that in theepisode description notes for
today's show.
Ahmed, thank you so much forcoming on the show.
I really appreciate you comingon and sharing your story.
I've really learned a lot and Ithink it'll resonate with a lot
of listeners.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
You're welcome and thank you for giving me the
chance to let my voice heard,and the voice of my people too,
in our country.
So thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
That's going to be it for today's episode.
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That's where you can book aprivate chat with me, and you
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