April 26, 2025 • 58 mins
Consent isn't optional—it's the foundation of all ethical sexual activity. Yet within corners of the cuckolding community lurks a disturbing trend that Venus and Doc Chocolate expose in this crucial conversation: husbands actively seeking ways to trick, manipulate, or coerce their unwilling wives into cuckolding scenarios.
Doc reveals being approached 10-15 times annually by men requesting his participation in elaborate schemes to seduce their unsuspecting wives—from fake "chance" meetings at bars to scenarios where husbands arrange situations to pressure their partners. These aren't isolated incidents but part of a troubling pattern that points to a serious ethical crisis.
The conversation takes an even darker turn when Venus highlights the disturbing online advice promoting tactics like getting women intoxicated, creating arguments to abandon them in vulnerable situations, or sharing their nude photos without consent. These actions aren't just morally reprehensible—they constitute sexual coercion, which is legally classified as sexual assault in both the United States and Canada.
Most shocking is the connection between these "lighter" forms of manipulation and horrific cases like Giselle Pelicot's, whose husband drugged her for nine years, allowing dozens of men to rape her while unconscious. Investigators later uncovered online groups with tens of thousands of members dedicated to teaching men how to drug and assault their partners—a chilling reminder of where boundary violations can lead.
Venus and Doc issue an urgent call to action for everyone in the lifestyle—bulls, cucks, hotwives, and community moderators—to actively denounce these behaviors, report concerning content, and help build a culture that prioritizes safety and genuine consent. Having a fantasy never justifies violating someone's boundaries, and if a partner declines to participate, the only appropriate response is respect.
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Welcome to the show everyone.
I'm your host, venus, andthanks for joining me today.
My last episode was apparentlyso hot that it got pulled down
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Today's episode is also shocking, but in a very, very different
way.
I hope that this episodeprovokes dialogue and inspires
action from within thecuckolding lifestyle.
It's definitely time I amjoined by Doc Chocolate.
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We're going to be talking abouta very, very, unfortunately,
common issue, but one thatreally needs to have a light
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Okay, what I wanted to talkabout today with you, doc, is
such an important topic and Idon't think I don't know about
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you, but I don't think I'veactually discussed this much on
the show before, and yet it'ssomething, a problem that's been
happening for a long, long timeto mainly guys who want to get
their wife into cuckolding themand all sorts of tips, tricks
and shady fucking shit thatthey've been talking about
implementing to try to get theirwife to do this, and not in the
(04:58):
right way.
So let's jump into it, doc.
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Okay it, doc.
Are you ready?
I'm ready, okay.
So um, I we had a conversationit was not that long ago where I
was shocked with some of theadvice that was being given out
online, where guys were tellingcucks were and bulls were
telling cucks husbands how totrick their wife into her
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ultimately having sex with someother guy.
And you blew my fucking mindwhen you told me how often you
get approached by men who wantyou, they want to get a conspire
with you to trick the wife intosleeping with you.
(05:45):
Am I right?
Like what was like?
And apparently not just once,not twice, but how often does
this happen to you?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So, venus, yeah, it was a great discussion that we
had and it's happened multipletimes where it's a thing right.
So if something happens maybeonce or twice because I've been
in the lifestyle for about sevenand a half years so if
something happens once or twice,I don't really think that it's
a thing right.
(06:15):
But if it's happened so manytimes that I lose track of it,
then I believe that it's a thing, and I can definitely tell you
that it's happened at least 10to 15 plus times.
So it's nothing where it's likehappening way too often or
multiple times a month oranything like that, but it's
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happened on more than oneoccasion where I've been
thinking in my head that this isa really fucked up type of
mentality to have guys.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So what exactly are they asking you?
In general?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So in general, basically, the more popular
approach is hey doc, looking fora BBC to fuck my wife and what
I like to do is have you pickher up at a bar.
So here's the scenario, Blackguy, I'll take my unassuming
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wife to a bar out there in LasVegas and then I will leave to
go to the bathroom or gosomewhere else, when in reality
I'll be in a corner watchingfrom afar.
And then you come in and youswoop in with all your BBC
prowess and you try to enticeher and flirt with her and try
to get her to go back to theroom to go sleep with her.
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And that's typically theapproach.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And I'm assuming that the wife is not in on this plan
, like she doesn't know about it.
Maybe she is still on the fenceor she he's brought it up to
her and she's basically like,yeah, no, I don't think so,
ralph, I don't think this is forus.
And he's arguing with her.
But Mary, she's like Ralph, goddamn it.
(08:14):
No, no means no.
And then Ralph is like, ok,whatever you know.
And then they come to you know,maybe an anniversary trip or a
work trip to Vegas, and he'slike, oh, I can make this happen
, you know.
And that's usually how it playsout.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Wow, and so you said that this is a thing, that this
happens often.
Is this like maybe two, threetimes a year that you get guys
who want to want you to do thisfor them?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'd say that's a good, accurate number.
It was probably about maybe 10to 15 times a year when I was
actively doing lifestyle,because nowadays, just because
of my schedule, I'm not reallyactive on, you know, sites like
(09:05):
Cassidy or dope, friend findersor anything like that.
But uh, when I was, it was likethere was way more people that
would do that.
Uh, but in the content creationspace, uh, people are less apt
to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Okay, so 10 to 15 times a year, uh, and you're
just one of the guys out therewho's in the lifestyle.
So I wonder how problematicthis is.
How many guys are actuallytrying to plan these things.
That's a bit shocking for meand worrying for me.
(09:42):
But let's talk about it,because I'm assuming that you've
never said yes, like you'relike nah, she's not in, you know
in on this, then I'm not doingit, right.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So I've never said yes, there was this one time.
She's like hey, venus is givingme the look.
She's like right, next time Isee you, doc, I'm gonna slap you
across your face.
So uh, there's this guy, and hehad booked me for a sensual
massage for his wife, right, andso I go there.
(10:15):
And you know, I'm just.
You know, there's nothingthat's sticking out, that's, you
know, shady or anything yeah,yeah, no red flags.
And so I get there, and usuallyfor these types of things
whether it's lifestyle orcontent creation or essential
massage nine times out of 10,hell, 99 times out of a hundred
(10:36):
it's usually the guy that'ssetting it up, so that's typical
.
And so we meet at a bar.
Usually that's where I meet upwith couples when I'm doing
sensual massages or, hell, evenlifestyle in general, right.
And when we get there, I meethim by the elevators and he's
like all right, he's alreadypaid me my 50% deposit, right.
(10:57):
And so he's like okay, so whatI'm going to do is my wife is
down there at that table downthere.
She's wearing like the littleblack cocktail dress and she's
right there Like I'm going to gooff.
And then I want you to likeflirt with her and try to
convince her to fuck her.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And I was like.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So he basically put me on the spot.
I'm thinking that this is justa regular type of you know,
central massage.
You know, usually it's the guythat's you know the catalyst and
wanted to get this set up.
And usually the wife alwaysknows about it, right?
She just needs to meet up withme and see that I'm, like, you
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know, a somewhat cool guy, andbuild rapport, right?
So that's what I'm used to.
So in this case he was.
He said all this bullshit and so, hey, this motherfucker throws
me for a loop.
I'm like wait what?
And I was like so you haven'ttold your wife?
I'm confused, like what's goingon?
And he's like, well, yeah, well, yeah, you know, he starts
(12:04):
trying to backtrack, because Iguess he sees a look on my face
and he's like well, you know, um, yeah, we, me and margaret, we
talked about it, you know, attimes.
And you know, blah, blah, blah.
But she doesn't really knowabout it.
And I'm like, dude, I'm likethis is fucked up.
I was like why, why would youput her through that?
And then, on top of that,you're putting me through this
bullshit because you're you knowwhat I'm saying.
(12:27):
Had I known that, I wouldn'thave even taken the, the deposit
, you know.
And so you know I'm going tokeep the deposit anyways,
regardless.
But, um, so, anyways, you know,I basically go over there.
I'm just like, okay, I'm here,you know, uh, whatever, right.
So I go there and I talked tothe wife and she's very, you
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know, she's welcoming, you know.
And so when I talked to herwithin the first two, three
minutes, I'm thinking in my head, venus, I'm like, okay, maybe
this is a kink of theirs, maybeshe does know about it, but
they're playing the wholestranger pick me up at a bar
type of thing, because she's waytoo welcoming to me.
(13:11):
I know I may have asilver-coated tongue, but my
game isn't that tight.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, I'm just saying she's waytoo inviting to me.
(13:34):
And so we talked for about maybefive minutes and whatnot, and I
could tell she's totallycomfortable with me, she's
giving me good body language,and so I'm kind of thinking in
my head okay, well, I feel alittle bit more comfortable with
this, right, still fucked up,but whatever.
And so the guy comes back afterabout five minutes and he sits
down and he's like, oh, hey,margaret, who's this?
And she basically tells him andI'm still thinking it's a kink.
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But then he's like, well, hey,you know what, we'll be cool, as
if Doc took you upstairs to ourroom and gave you a massage and
this and that.
And I'm waiting to see what herresponse is and she's looking
kind of shocked and dismayed andshe's like, yeah, I don't think
I'm comfortable with that.
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And then I'm like, oh, maybethis wasn't a thing.
And then I'm like this is somefucked up bullshit, right.
So I kind of just sit back andI'm just like observing, right.
So I'm not pushing either way,I'm just listening to this man
and this woman kind of go backand forth, right, and it was
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friendly.
But then he kept on pushing,right, right.
And then she's like the more hepushed, right, right.
And then, uh, she's like themore he pushed, the more she put
up her walls, right.
And then I was like, uh, uh,trying to get out of there.
I was like, okay, you know what, guys here, I'm gonna let you
guys talk and converse and I'llsee myself out.
(14:58):
And he's like oh no, no, no, nostay dog because he's paid.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He's paid right.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, he's paid , oh my god, and either way,
venus, I'm keeping your money.
Yeah, I'm keeping your moneybecause you know, again, I, you
know, scheduled out my night foryou and I drove out there and
stuff like that.
I got ready, you know, and youknow shaved and you know, did
some push-ups, and you know,like, yeah, I'm keeping your
money, you know.
So eventually I do leave andI'm just shaking my head just
(15:24):
laughing, you know, and you know, like, yeah, I'm keeping your
money, you know.
So eventually I do leave andI'm just shaking my head, just
laughing, you know, and you know, he even offers to pay me the
rest of my money, you know, butI'm like, nah, man, you, you
know, keep the remainder of themoney, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So, uh, yeah, so that was one time that, you know, I
even somewhat enticed thatsituation and yet it's shocking
how often you get asked to dothat exact same thing, pretty
much that exact same scenario.
Let's, you know, trick my wifeinto this.
We can pressure her and it'llwork out.
(15:56):
And, oh my god, this is sofucked up yeah um, yeah, so I
yeah, um, yeah.
So I recently started going onReddit and I like this cuckold
psychology thread that's onthere.
It's interesting.
There's some weird ass posts,but most of them are pretty
(16:16):
genuine, um, but I read onewhich just pissed me the fuck
off again.
It's this kind of mentality oflet's trick her into it.
So I'm just going to read itquickly here.
This was actually written by abull, somebody who calls himself
a bull, okay, and his advice tothis guy was the original
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person who posted said that youknow, my wife is really hesitant
, she doesn't really want to doit.
Um, she's.
You know, there's a fine linebetween completely rejecting it
and being slightly curious.
Blah, blah, blah.
And the advice that this bullgave was bring a friend friend
in air, quotes, okay over andmention he thinks that she's hot
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, keep it up for a week andinvite him back.
Then talk about cuckolding withboth present.
It'll happen.
I did this with a couple, cameover for what he called a
furnace inspection, chatted thecouple up for a bit and left.
Hubby set the wheels in motionfor a few days till the part
came in.
I returned and she was aloneand nervous as hell.
(17:28):
My phone buzzed and hubby saidgo for it.
Hubby told the bull, go for it.
I looked her in the eye and Isaid your husband just texted me
and asked me to take you to bed.
Would you like the bed or righthere?
He said she'd been sitting onthe fence for years and had
chickened out at the last minutebefore, so she did not want to
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do this and the two of them gottogether and made this plan that
they were going to trick andpressure this wife into it and
put her on the spot like thatman.
It made me feel fucking ill toread that.
It made me feel sick to mystomach.
It made me feel fucking ill toread that.
It made me feel sick to mystomach.
It made me feel so bad for her.
And this is not the first timeI've seen advice like that given
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out online.
That post is still up.
That comment is still up, whichI think is shit.
Like.
Whoever's moderating that groupneeds to put a stop to that,
because what I want to say is Ithink that there's this idea
with guys out there that whothink that this kind of
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suggestions, advice, behavior,planning, executing all that
stuff is normal, like there'slike there's like maybe it's a
little shady and maybe youshouldn't do it.
Maybe some guys have that intheir mind, like, yeah, I don't
know, but if it works out, theneverything is going to be great,
because then she'll figure outthat this is awesome and she
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likes it.
And then, um, you know, I don'thave to, I don't have, like I
don't know, I don't know whatthe thinking is.
But I think that the most ofthese guys think that this is
normal and this is okay.
And I just want to actuallypoint out that this is not
normal and that this is not okay.
And in North America this isillegal, this is against the law
(19:21):
.
And so sexual coercion whichI'm going to define it for
everybody listening right now,so you understand what this
actually is, you can recognizeit and be like, oh, that's what
that is.
Sexual coercion is a form ofsexual violence where someone is
pressured, tricked orthreatened into engaging in
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sexual activity that they don'twant to do.
Yeah, and the ways that peoplesexually coerce others mainly is
with pressure and manipulation,but people also use threats and
intimidation.
But all of those things isequals.
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Consent is not freely given.
Of those things is equals.
Consent is not freely given.
If you have, if you'reimplementing those things.
Consent is not freely given andit is a crime in Canada.
It is a crime in the UnitedStates.
It falls under the umbrella ofsexual assault or sexual abuse
laws.
Sexual coercion is wheresomebody is pressured or
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manipulated into sexual activity.
It is a form of sexual assaultand it is illegal.
And I hope everyone listens tothat last part.
It's not okay.
Not only is it fucked up foryou to be doing this to your
wife, it's dishonest, it'smanipulative, it's just trickery
.
Why the fuck are you engagingin that in a relationship where
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you should be honest and openand trust each other?
I would be fucking fuming if myhusband was making these plans
behind my back yeah and tryingto trick me like that after I
had said no, I would be so angrythat I my marriage would be
over.
I'd be like get the, get thefuck out.
I don't trust you.
You know this is not okay andjust makes me really upset.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, as you should be.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Did you know that it was illegal?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So I didn't know that it was illegal per se.
Now I know that obviously, ifyou are pushing a woman to do a
sexual act that's against herwill, obviously that's illegal.
But I didn't know to do it, butshe did do it Versus, okay,
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what's that line where she wastotally without consent and she
was being basically sexuallyattacked, right, like what's
that defining line?
That's what I would like toresearch.
But I feel that in thelifestyle space, we shouldn't
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even approach that line or thatgray area.
You know, especially if you'rea new guy.
And I feel, like you know, inthis instance there's two, uh,
parties at fault.
There's, you know, number one,there's the husband and then,
number two, there's the bullRight and so, with the husband,
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well, and before I even talkabout the husband and the bull's
role in this, like guys andladies that are listening to
this mostly guys who arelistening to this there's two
things that you want to makesure that a woman feel in the
lifestyle.
You want to make sure that,number one, she feels safe and,
number two, that she feelscomfortable.
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So safety and comfort are thetwo pillars of making sure that
your ladies have a good time andthat we're all having a good
rollerco coaster fun of a time,because we can do that, you know
.
But all parties need to feelcomfortable, you know, and women
especially need to feel safe.
Now, husbands, usually it's youthat are bringing up the
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lifestyle to your lady.
That's fine, you know.
Maybe you have this sexual kink, this fantasy or whatnot that
you want to become reality, andthat's fine.
But the old saying goes thatyou can bring a horse to water,
but she can't make it drink.
So you can bring your lady tothe water, but you can't force
her to drink.
So talk about the lifestyle andwhatnot.
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And if she gives resistance andwhatnot, then you basically
have to go with that.
If she just basically flat outsays no, ok, then it's no, you
know.
I mean it doesn't mean that youcan't talk about it further,
but you shouldn't try to put herin a situation that's going to
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make her feel unsafe anduncomfortable.
You know, because you, as herhusband, are supposed to be her
protector and, like venus said,you know she's like I would dip
out.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I'll I would get divorced.
Yeah, fuck you, I'm out likeyou know.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's not cool and yeah, y'all don't know venus
like she.
Hey, she, she's a little bithood.
You know she come from canada,but she's a little bit hood
she'll.
She got a shank in her purse atall times.
And then the bulls I feel theyhave that second responsibility
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as a man to make sure that thewoman that they're going to
potentially play with feelscomfortable.
So every situation that I gointo, especially if it's a
lifestyle situation, a centralmassage situation or whatnot,
I'm always asking the guy,because I'm usually conversing
with him.
At the beginning I'm asking himwhat is her do's, what are her
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do's and don'ts.
But then when I get there inperson and I'm talking to the
lady, I always ask her what herdo's and don'ts are, and so I'm
listening to what she's sayingand then I'm also reading her
body language and seeing howshe's saying things and whatnot,
and I'm very, very clear, justso that I know what her comfort
levels are, because at the endof the day, the guy can say
(25:20):
anything that he wants, but Idon't care what he says.
All I'm worried about is whatthe woman says is her do's and
don'ts and wants right.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think that there is agray area.
Honestly, I feel like, if it'sa no from her, even if it's a I
don't know, or even if it's likea maybe that's not an
enthusiastic yes, and you don'tstart pressuring somebody, or
you don't pressure somebody atall If they are not an
(25:49):
enthusiastic yes.
That's how I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I feel like, cause, let's see where you're coming
from.
I feel like, so, havingconversations, right, if she
says no or she's kind of likeblah, blah, blah, okay, I feel
like we should continue theconversation, but you shouldn't
be aggressive on trying to pushit Right.
So maybe it's a thing where youhave continued conversation,
right.
Um, actually, you know, like,making it a physical thing,
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where you're actually puttingher physically in that situation
.
Yeah, to me that's definitely.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
There's no gray area there, you know, know, uh, but I
feel like it's okay to keephaving the conversations, but
you shouldn't put her that, uh,that clear-cut, physical
situation, unless it's like ahell yes from her, you know yeah
, um, some of the other shittythings that I've seen a lot
(26:46):
online as advice, oh, and thisone is just brutal as advice for
husbands on how they can gettheir wife to cheat on him or,
you know, have sex with anotherdude.
Basically, they come up withall sorts of strategies, but
what's really alarming is a verycommon one is get her really
(27:08):
drunk.
Get her nice and drunk is whatthey say.
Just get her nice and drunk,take her to a bar.
And one guy even said go to abar, get her nice and drunk Like
oh, just the language of it isfucking horrible and then start
an argument with her and leaveher there.
That was his advice to this guyand I was like, oh my god, and
(27:32):
nobody's calling this out aslike horrific.
Not just horrific in that you'retrying to make her so that
she's intoxicated and thereforeyou know less likely to say no
to somebody's advances, butyou're fucking leaving her there
or you're starting an argumentin your relationship for with an
ulterior motive like this is sofucked up.
(27:55):
You sound like a piece of shithuman being.
If you do that to somebody yousupposedly love.
Oh, it's just so fucked up.
I just can't get over it andbut nobody calling out these
really this really fucking shadybad advice, which is the other
flip side of it.
The problems are these dudesthemselves, like you said, and
(28:16):
then the bulls who go along with.
This is terrible, but also forall the people who are just
turning a blind eye to this,like online.
What the fuck?
Fuck you guys.
You don't call this out, butyeah, the whole getting her
drunk or getting her high stonedis really fucked up.
It's very much reminding me of,or even okay, this other one.
(28:40):
It sounds very benign, but thisis so hugely problematic and
you've probably come across thisas a bull Husbands sharing
nudes of their wife without herconsent, um, online, just to get
the reaction from bulls like ohshe's hot, I love her titties,
her ass is great, what a greatpussy.
Blah, blah, blah, I'd love todo this to her.
Blah, blah, blah.
(29:00):
And so you know cucks arewanking off to it thinking that,
like, that's so hot, oh my god.
And meanwhile, example venus isstellar but they're just like,
oh my god, so exciting.
Um, meanwhile, she has no ideathat he's doing this.
(29:21):
She has no idea that herpictures are now out there with
random people again and it'sjust like it's so gross, like
it's so fucked up, like I don'tknow.
I don't know, guys, why do youthink that this is okay?
This is not okay.
Don't fucking do that.
If my, my husband was doingthat, I would fucking kill him.
Like that is not okay.
(29:42):
Ever, where's the trust,motherf?
Like it's so not okay.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
But why this bothers me so much.
I've put a lot of thought intothis and I hope that all the
guys listening are reallylistening to this part, Because
you might not think that this issuch a problem.
Let me tell you how much of aproblem this is.
I don't know if you've heard ofGiselle Pellicote.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I have, I have, I have.
She was not in the US.
I think.
Britain is it, france, france,okay, yeah, so she.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
For those of you listening, I hope you guys have
heard her name and know herstory, but if you haven't, she
was, I believe, in her 70s.
But if you haven't, she was, Ibelieve, in her 70s and she
found out that.
Well, she didn't find out.
The police found out that herhusband was drugging her for
nine years, drugging her withlorazepam, a sleepy, a sedative,
(30:40):
and he invited over at least 72men to rape her at least 92
times over the period of nineyears.
He filmed it all and that's howthey found that.
They know it was that many men,but it was probably much more.
(31:12):
And he learned how to do thisfrom a guy online who was
drugging and raping his wife andhe then taught Giselle's
husband how to do it.
And then, of course, giselle'shusband taught other men online
how to drug and rape their wife.
Anyway, it was a horrific,horrific story.
I don't know if the husband hadcuckold fantasies.
(31:33):
He loved to watch her get raped.
He felt no remorse overdrugging her.
She had no memory of it,nothing.
She thought she was gettingAlzheimer's disease because she
would black out.
She had no idea and they wereall brought to trial and
sentenced, which is-.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
As they should have.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
As they should.
Yeah, but the disturbing partwas that men were teaching each
other how to do this.
It wasn't long after that trialthat police I think it was in
Germany found a telegram groupof over 70,000 men from all over
the world.
This was a- 70,000.
(32:19):
70,000.
Shit, this was a rape chatgroup where men were talking
about drugging and raping theirmothers, their sisters and their
wives and offering their wifeto other men when they're
drugged so they can be raped,and giving advice to other men
(32:41):
on how to do this.
70,000.
This was just one group online.
This is so fucking vile becauseit just and so when I see these
posts of, oh, get your wifereally drunk, just get her super
drunk, and then she'll, she'lldo it, or you know, oh, it just
gives me the fucking vomitfeeling like it's so gross.
(33:05):
Yeah, why do you think thatthis is okay to manipulate women
in this way, for their body isso fucked up.
Um, but I just also justrecently watched the netflix
series adolescence, whichapparently 66 million other
people just watched as well.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't know if you've seen it is that the one
with that that uh, that Britishboy, that uh and little girl and
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And, and one of the um themes in that um series is
that through incel andmanosphere culture online, um,
kids are learning, especiallyboys are learning that, um, it's
okay to trick women intogetting their body, but in fact
they say that, you know, womenand girls need to be tricked and
(33:52):
manipulated into sex or sexualacts or favors or whatever,
because they wouldn't do sootherwise.
And so that's what they'relearning and that's what?
And fuck, I'm just like I see atrend here If husbands are
manipulating and tricking theirwife into fulfilling this
(34:13):
fantasy for them and they feeljustified in doing that and that
that's morally okay.
And then we have, you know,these rape chat groups where
husbands other husbands allacross the world are saying,
yeah, I can't get my wife to dothis, but I'm just going to drug
her and make it happen.
This is so fucked up.
And then, yeah, it's veryupsetting.
(34:35):
So, everybody listening rightnow, please can you just
understand that this is actuallya huge problem and in this
lifestyle, this is not okay.
You don't do that.
So, getting back to what I wassaying before, that the fact
that this is not called out inthis lifestyle is really kind of
fucking weird.
And so I'm calling.
I would like right now to callupon all the bulls out there to
(34:58):
call the shit out.
If you see other guys, otherbulls talking about this,
conspiring together, doing thesetypes of things, call that shit
out.
That's not okay and that'sillegal.
That's assault.
Don't fucking do that Okay.
That's not all right.
And to anybody who moderatesgroups in this lifestyle where
(35:19):
somebody posts something that ismanipulating or trickery like
that, please remove that shit,call it out, put it in your
fucking rules and yourguidelines for your groups that
this is not okay.
I think we need to start kindof building a culture of
awareness around this that thatis not okay.
We don't do that.
(35:39):
That's not okay.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, and I mean there's so
many layers to what you justtalked about.
This is a topic Venus whichneeds to be talked about
repeatedly, because the moreit's talked about, the more
public it's going to be and youknow, we'll see what a big, huge
problem.
(36:01):
It is right, this right,because when I heard the Giselle
situation and I need to do moreresearch into it I just heard
about it offhand.
I thought it was an isolatedincident.
And yeah, there's a few sickfucks out there that get into
(36:24):
doing that.
But for them to say thatthere's like a group, a telegram
group, with 70,000 peopleconspiring to do this, that's
very, very troubling, verytroubling, you know, because
that 70,000 strong grouprepresents probably 70 million
(36:45):
people, or not even maybe thatmuch, but it represents a large,
large population of men thatthink that it's okay and they
basically support each other indoing that.
So that's something that weneed to talk about more and it's
something that men need tounderstand that it's not just a
(37:07):
male-female thing.
It's a thing of being a basicgood human being and making sure
that you're not harming anotherhuman being, but in this case
it's one that's supposed to beyour wife, the one that you're
protecting, the one that you'reloving.
It's sick.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It is sick.
Yeah, it is sick, yeah, it is.
So I I wasn't, you know, Iwasn't sure, like, with doing
this episode.
I wasn't sure because I, forthere, I'm sure that there are
some guys out there whogenuinely don't, didn't, don't
realize that how wrong it is,that maybe they will feel like
shitty about it, you know, like,after hearing this, and then be
like, oh yeah, I probablyshouldn't have done that.
(37:47):
Um, and for those guys like,good, good on you for learning
and for changing your ways,that's fucking good, you know.
But, um, for those, for otherguys who are just like you know,
I don't care, I'm still gonnado this.
I just want to say, fuck youlike you, fuck you, you're a
piece of shit.
Just just fucking stop already.
(38:08):
I hope you get arrested.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I hope she falls charges and I hope you go to
jail that somebody that's big,he's six foot five and he has a
big black cock.
I hope he drugs you and hefucks you in the ass and you'll
see how it feels no, he'dprobably like it, he would
probably I mean no, but I meanseriously, all joking aside.
(38:36):
Uh, that's a big problem because, like, I think, okay, I think
that the majority of guys thatare out there, that are even you
know, of this line of thinking,they're gonna line up more and,
uh, hey, let me try to coercemy wife and set up this fucked
up situation where the bulltries to entice her to fuck her.
I think that's going to be themajority of offenders, but
(38:59):
there's going to be a minorityof them where they're taken into
the extreme areas of fuckedupness, where it's like, um,
drugging, and you know that.
That, honestly, venus, thatblows my mind.
That blows my mind.
That is, uh, you know that,problematic, because that's sick
it's really sick.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
What's it like to be a woman in the world right now?
It's pretty fucking scary,honestly.
Um, if this is, you know, yourhusband, this person who's, like
you said, they're yourprotector supposed to be
watching out for you, is willingto get you intoxicated or
drugged and left in a strangeplace, or giving your body to
other people, to strangers,without your consent.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Oh my god yeah, and when I think about it, venus,
it's like, uh, you're, you'reprobably inviting these guys up
there and you're not even usingprotection.
I doubt that they're even usingprotection, you know, and
you're just having all theserandom strange dudes fucking her
.
They could be pumping her fullof hiv, aids, gonorrhea,
(40:04):
chlamydia and she doesn't evenknow.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Giselle Pelico got an STD.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
She did yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, that's all levels of fucked up.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yep, it really is, it is.
But the 70,000-member rape chatgroup was appalling.
There was several groups thatthey found on Telegram, but that
was the biggest one that theycame across found on on like
telegram, but that was thebiggest one that they came
(40:35):
across um, and they and peoplewere actually, you know, posting
videos of their wife or motheror whatever drugged and raped
and stuff like they wereactively teaching people how to
do this yeah, I mean, could youimagine if there was like a
group of 70 000 people that wereterrorists and they're talking
about all right guys?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
this is how we're going to create bombs and cause
anarchy and blow up schools andgovernment buildings.
Could you imagine if there wasa group of 70,000 guys like that
?
What type of news that would be?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
like news that would be, you know, could you imagine
if there was a group of 70,000women who are conspiring on how
to drug and have their husbandraped up the ass.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I thought you were going to say hey.
I thought you were going to sayhave woman sit on his face.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
No, like for all.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Hey, when I die?
When I die, I want to die ofoxygen deprivation.
I want to be asphyxiated byvaginas on my face.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
But I'm just trying to like for the guys listening,
but you know, for the guyslistening, like for all the
hetero homophobe dudes out there, what if there was all these
wives conspiring to get theirasses fucked by dudes?
You know, it's just like.
That's the level of like.
No fucking consent, no consent.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
When you said that, Venus, my ass cheeks clenched up
very, very tightly.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I know, you know what .
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
It's scary.
Scared You'd be.
Scared You'd be like, oh my God, god, I'm so scared of my wife
right now.
I feel like she's gonna drug meand somebody's gonna come over
and fuck me up the ass and I'mgonna be gay tomorrow hey, it's
only gay if you look into hiseyes and he's smiling oh, okay
(42:28):
but no, no, no, I mean all, alljokes aside, though I mean
that's actually a really goodanalogy.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
That's a really good analogy, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Could you imagine if we were posting pictures of our
husbands getting raped up theass?
How appalling that would be,you know?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yes, yes.
What a different world You'vegot to be crying over here.
What a different world yougotta be crying over here what a
different world it would be.
I just, I just imagine thispoor brother up here and he's
bound and he has his ass up inthe air and like there's a line
of like three, four big assdudes just pounding him like
(43:10):
he's drugged unconscious and hewakes up and he's like my
butthole hurts.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
I don't understand why my butthole hurts.
Why am I?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
getting hemorrhoids now.
I've never had hemorrhoidsbefore.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Why do I have herpes now?
So we laugh.
But like seriously, I would youknow?
I hope that guys can look atthis from a different lens Like,
oh, what if this was flippedaround?
What if the world was reallyunsafe for you and your asshole
was unsafe?
Consent meant nothing.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, that was actually a good analogy.
That was actually a goodanalogy.
So, guys, unless you want to bedrugged and have your asshole
fucked, don't do that to yourwives.
Yeah, don't do that.
But yeah, and I mean, it's athing where, men, we don't
(44:08):
respect our wives and our ladies, as they should be respected.
We should put them on pedestalsand treat them as our queens
and not saying that we need tojust be overran by our woman and
, you know, be, yes, men, andthis, and that I mean, if that's
(44:28):
the case, if that's how youguys do it.
You know, for those guys thatare in FLR, female led
relationships, okay, if that'sthe lifestyle that you guys live
and you both consent, okay, doit that way.
But for just any general manoutside of FLR, you should be
treating your wife as a queen.
You should be putting her onthat pedestal.
(44:50):
You should be treating her as ajewel and you putting her in
this compromising positionthat's basically against her
will, you're basically puttingher at risk.
You're basically putting her atrisk of dying.
What if she catches AIDS fromyour dumb actions?
You know, don't do that.
(45:13):
And I feel like this is a topic, again Venus, that we need to
discuss over and over again.
It's not just a thing thatshould be discussed once.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yes, and I think that goes hand in hand with building
a culture of responsibility andsafety in this lifestyle.
To make it not okay, like rightnow it seems like this kind of
behavior in the lifestyle istolerated and it should not be.
Let's shame the fuck out ofthese people.
Like, don't do that.
Like, don't come, don't.
(45:45):
Like, don't do that.
It's not okay.
There's a reason why it isillegal to do that.
To manipulate your wife intodoing this in these sneaky ways,
like, and for the guyslistening who are like, oh, but
she wouldn't do it in any otherway, oh, my God, go to therapy,
figure out what the fuck iswrong with you, because that's
not all right for you to be okaywith that.
(46:07):
Like it's not okay for you tobe all right in your moral
fucking mind with doing thatshit to your wife.
Go to therapy, do the work.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, yeah, cause, and guys, we're not saying that
if you have a kink, that youshouldn't talk about it with
your wife.
So if you have a kink, yeah,you, you should talk about it
with your wife, you shouldcommunicate it, uh, but if she
says no, and it's an aggressiveno, don't push it, okay.
(46:39):
So one thing that I've seenthat works with a lot of guys
that want to jump into thislifestyle.
Let's say, their wife is kindof like no, that's kind of weird
, frank.
They basically put out a lot ofinformation, they put out the
Venus Cacoldris podcast, bullsand Queens books and whatnot,
(47:01):
and they let their wife learnthat way and maybe she gets
comfortable with it.
Maybe she doesn't.
If she doesn't, she doesn't.
If she doesn't, then that'sfine, but you just got to shelf
that kink.
If she says no and she'sadamant on it, you just got to
(47:24):
shelf that kink.
It just is what it is.
Okay, taking your example, venus, if your wife had a kink where
she was like I've just alwayswanted my husband to get fucked
in the ass, or I've alwayswanted to peg my husband in the
ass with a 12 inch black dildo,okay, she can discuss it with
you and, you know, maybe you sayyes, maybe you don't.
(47:44):
Maybe, if you're like, eh, Idon't think so, honey, you know,
maybe she says he's a bunch ofpodcasts talking about pegging,
maybe you change your mind andyou're like, okay, let's explore
this, maybe you don't.
But if you say no, I don't wantthis 12 inch dildo in my ass.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
she has to respect what you say yes, absolutely,
and it's the same with any kindof kink that you don't really
like, that you like there's allsorts of I don't want to say
extreme kinks out there, butthere's some fucking, there's
some shit out there.
Okay, and like I, I alwaysstill for guys who are like, but
(48:18):
my wife just won't do thisfantasy for me.
I'm like, well, what if you had, what if she had a kink that
was so revolting to you that youwere just like, oh hell, no,
like like she really like wantsyou to wear a diaper and shit in
it so she could eat it.
Like you know it exists, it's athing.
(48:40):
Okay, I really want you to weardiaper, shit in it, so I could
eat it.
And then, like what?
I'm not comparing cuckolding towearing a diaper and shitting
it and eating it, but I'm justsaying that, like when it's a
kink that you're not into andyou're just like I cannot get
into this at all, like I'm sorrythis, you're really into this,
(49:02):
but like I cannot then putyourself in her shoes and
understand that, like okay,maybe this is asking too much
yeah, side notes, I'm not sureif Kathy Kay from Strictly
Anonymous ever told you thisstory, but she had a guy that
would.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
He would nut cum inside of a condom and then he
would take the cum and put it ina batter of eggs and batter it
up and then he would fry it andthen he would eat it.
So he would eat some cum eggs.
Because I was interviewing herand I asked her what's the
weirdest story you've heard?
And she told me that and I waslike wow yeah see, I've become
(49:44):
aversion.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
I just I immediately want to throw up when I think
about that you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
You wouldn't eat those scrambled eggs.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
It's full of protein I and see I cannot, because I
physically get sick, and so ifsomebody had this like fetish
thing I would just be like I'mso sorry, but like I cannot, I
cannot, I can't, I can't gothere I can't eat those eggs.
Take those eggs away from meyeah, so, yeah, that's a funny
(50:14):
story, though I've heard wayworse than that, though.
Um, there's some, there's somecrazy kinks out there, yeah, but
yeah, okay.
So, um, going back to what wesaid earlier, I think the point
of doing this show is to wrapthis up anyway is that,
personally, I would like forpeople to stop normalizing this
(50:34):
and start actually calling itout for what it is and that it's
not okay.
So, for bulls out there, callthe shit out.
Okay.
For cocks out there, if youhear about stories about this,
call the shit out.
Women, if your husband istrying to, if you catch him
trying to do this to you, knowthat this is not okay.
(50:55):
This is not all right.
This is against the law.
You can't do this to people,okay, and, and moderators out
there, please clamp down on thisshit, because we can't be
having people learning aboutthis shit online, this awful
behavior online learning aboutthis shit online, this awful
behavior online, yeah, andhonestly, like on a Reddit
(51:16):
community.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
If they're talking about illegal things, if you
report it, they're going to getthe group banned.
You know, there's a reason whythis the 70,000 man group
talking about raping their wives.
There's a reason why this the70,000 man group talking about
raping their wives.
There's a reason why it was onTelegram instead of Reddit
(51:38):
because that shit would have gotbanned with the quickness.
So if you see groups like thatout there where they're
basically it's just groupsfocused around harming women
report the group yeah,absolutely, so this has been the
beautiful lovely, gorgeouswomen.
report the group.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
This has been the beautiful,lovely, gorgeous Venus Kakodris,
and you can find her atVenusKakodriscom, and the semi
(52:04):
decent looking Doc Chocolate.
You can find him at.
Bullsandqueenscom.
So until next time.
Y'all have fun and eat youreggs.
Ew.
That's going to be it fortoday's episode.
So until next time.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Y'all have fun and eat your eggs.
That's going to be it fortoday's episode.
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(00:42):
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Okay, what I wanted to talkabout today with you, doc, is
such an important topic and Idon't think I don't know about
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you, but I don't think I'veactually discussed this much on
the show before, and yet it'ssomething, a problem that's been
happening for a long, long timeto mainly guys who want to get
their wife into cuckolding themand all sorts of tips, tricks
and shady fucking shit thatthey've been talking about
implementing to try to get theirwife to do this, and not in the
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right way.
So let's jump into it, doc.
Are you ready?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Okay it, doc.
Are you ready?
I'm ready, okay.
So um, I we had a conversationit was not that long ago where I
was shocked with some of theadvice that was being given out
online, where guys were tellingcucks were and bulls were
telling cucks husbands how totrick their wife into her
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ultimately having sex with someother guy.
And you blew my fucking mindwhen you told me how often you
get approached by men who wantyou, they want to get a conspire
with you to trick the wife intosleeping with you.
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Am I right?
Like what was like?
And apparently not just once,not twice, but how often does
this happen to you?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So, venus, yeah, it was a great discussion that we
had and it's happened multipletimes where it's a thing right.
So if something happens maybeonce or twice because I've been
in the lifestyle for about sevenand a half years so if
something happens once or twice,I don't really think that it's
a thing right.
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But if it's happened so manytimes that I lose track of it,
then I believe that it's a thing, and I can definitely tell you
that it's happened at least 10to 15 plus times.
So it's nothing where it's likehappening way too often or
multiple times a month oranything like that, but it's
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happened on more than oneoccasion where I've been
thinking in my head that this isa really fucked up type of
mentality to have guys.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So what exactly are they asking you?
In general?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So in general, basically, the more popular
approach is hey doc, looking fora BBC to fuck my wife and what
I like to do is have you pickher up at a bar.
So here's the scenario, Blackguy, I'll take my unassuming
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wife to a bar out there in LasVegas and then I will leave to
go to the bathroom or gosomewhere else, when in reality
I'll be in a corner watchingfrom afar.
And then you come in and youswoop in with all your BBC
prowess and you try to enticeher and flirt with her and try
to get her to go back to theroom to go sleep with her.
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And that's typically theapproach.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And I'm assuming that the wife is not in on this plan
, like she doesn't know about it.
Maybe she is still on the fenceor she he's brought it up to
her and she's basically like,yeah, no, I don't think so,
ralph, I don't think this is forus.
And he's arguing with her.
But Mary, she's like Ralph, goddamn it.
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No, no means no.
And then Ralph is like, ok,whatever you know.
And then they come to you know,maybe an anniversary trip or a
work trip to Vegas, and he'slike, oh, I can make this happen
, you know.
And that's usually how it playsout.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Wow, and so you said that this is a thing, that this
happens often.
Is this like maybe two, threetimes a year that you get guys
who want to want you to do thisfor them?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'd say that's a good, accurate number.
It was probably about maybe 10to 15 times a year when I was
actively doing lifestyle,because nowadays, just because
of my schedule, I'm not reallyactive on, you know, sites like
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Cassidy or dope, friend findersor anything like that.
But uh, when I was, it was likethere was way more people that
would do that.
Uh, but in the content creationspace, uh, people are less apt
to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Okay, so 10 to 15 times a year, uh, and you're
just one of the guys out therewho's in the lifestyle.
So I wonder how problematicthis is.
How many guys are actuallytrying to plan these things.
That's a bit shocking for meand worrying for me.
(09:42):
But let's talk about it,because I'm assuming that you've
never said yes, like you'relike nah, she's not in, you know
in on this, then I'm not doingit, right.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So I've never said yes, there was this one time.
She's like hey, venus is givingme the look.
She's like right, next time Isee you, doc, I'm gonna slap you
across your face.
So uh, there's this guy, and hehad booked me for a sensual
massage for his wife, right, andso I go there.
(10:15):
And you know, I'm just.
You know, there's nothingthat's sticking out, that's, you
know, shady or anything yeah,yeah, no red flags.
And so I get there, and usuallyfor these types of things
whether it's lifestyle orcontent creation or essential
massage nine times out of 10,hell, 99 times out of a hundred
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it's usually the guy that'ssetting it up, so that's typical
.
And so we meet at a bar.
Usually that's where I meet upwith couples when I'm doing
sensual massages or, hell, evenlifestyle in general, right.
And when we get there, I meethim by the elevators and he's
like all right, he's alreadypaid me my 50% deposit, right.
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And so he's like okay, so whatI'm going to do is my wife is
down there at that table downthere.
She's wearing like the littleblack cocktail dress and she's
right there Like I'm going to gooff.
And then I want you to likeflirt with her and try to
convince her to fuck her.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And I was like.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
So he basically put me on the spot.
I'm thinking that this is justa regular type of you know,
central massage.
You know, usually it's the guythat's you know the catalyst and
wanted to get this set up.
And usually the wife alwaysknows about it, right?
She just needs to meet up withme and see that I'm, like, you
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know, a somewhat cool guy, andbuild rapport, right?
So that's what I'm used to.
So in this case he was.
He said all this bullshit and so, hey, this motherfucker throws
me for a loop.
I'm like wait what?
And I was like so you haven'ttold your wife?
I'm confused, like what's goingon?
And he's like, well, yeah, well, yeah, you know, he starts
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trying to backtrack, because Iguess he sees a look on my face
and he's like well, you know, um, yeah, we, me and margaret, we
talked about it, you know, attimes.
And you know, blah, blah, blah.
But she doesn't really knowabout it.
And I'm like, dude, I'm likethis is fucked up.
I was like why, why would youput her through that?
And then, on top of that,you're putting me through this
bullshit because you're you knowwhat I'm saying.
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Had I known that, I wouldn'thave even taken the, the deposit
, you know.
And so you know I'm going tokeep the deposit anyways,
regardless.
But, um, so, anyways, you know,I basically go over there.
I'm just like, okay, I'm here,you know, uh, whatever, right.
So I go there and I talked tothe wife and she's very, you
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know, she's welcoming, you know.
And so when I talked to herwithin the first two, three
minutes, I'm thinking in my head, venus, I'm like, okay, maybe
this is a kink of theirs, maybeshe does know about it, but
they're playing the wholestranger pick me up at a bar
type of thing, because she's waytoo welcoming to me.
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I know I may have asilver-coated tongue, but my
game isn't that tight.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, I'm just saying she's waytoo inviting to me.
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And so we talked for about maybefive minutes and whatnot, and I
could tell she's totallycomfortable with me, she's
giving me good body language,and so I'm kind of thinking in
my head okay, well, I feel alittle bit more comfortable with
this, right, still fucked up,but whatever.
And so the guy comes back afterabout five minutes and he sits
down and he's like, oh, hey,margaret, who's this?
And she basically tells him andI'm still thinking it's a kink.
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But then he's like, well, hey,you know what, we'll be cool, as
if Doc took you upstairs to ourroom and gave you a massage and
this and that.
And I'm waiting to see what herresponse is and she's looking
kind of shocked and dismayed andshe's like, yeah, I don't think
I'm comfortable with that.
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And then I'm like, oh, maybethis wasn't a thing.
And then I'm like this is somefucked up bullshit, right.
So I kind of just sit back andI'm just like observing, right.
So I'm not pushing either way,I'm just listening to this man
and this woman kind of go backand forth, right, and it was
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friendly.
But then he kept on pushing,right, right.
And then she's like the more hepushed, right, right.
And then, uh, she's like themore he pushed, the more she put
up her walls, right.
And then I was like, uh, uh,trying to get out of there.
I was like, okay, you know what, guys here, I'm gonna let you
guys talk and converse and I'llsee myself out.
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And he's like oh no, no, no, nostay dog because he's paid.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He's paid right.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, he's paid , oh my god, and either way,
venus, I'm keeping your money.
Yeah, I'm keeping your moneybecause you know, again, I, you
know, scheduled out my night foryou and I drove out there and
stuff like that.
I got ready, you know, and youknow shaved and you know, did
some push-ups, and you know,like, yeah, I'm keeping your
money, you know.
So eventually I do leave andI'm just shaking my head just
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laughing, you know, and you know, like, yeah, I'm keeping your
money, you know.
So eventually I do leave andI'm just shaking my head, just
laughing, you know, and you know, he even offers to pay me the
rest of my money, you know, butI'm like, nah, man, you, you
know, keep the remainder of themoney, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So, uh, yeah, so that was one time that, you know, I
even somewhat enticed thatsituation and yet it's shocking
how often you get asked to dothat exact same thing, pretty
much that exact same scenario.
Let's, you know, trick my wifeinto this.
We can pressure her and it'llwork out.
(15:56):
And, oh my god, this is sofucked up yeah um, yeah, so I
yeah, um, yeah.
So I recently started going onReddit and I like this cuckold
psychology thread that's onthere.
It's interesting.
There's some weird ass posts,but most of them are pretty
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genuine, um, but I read onewhich just pissed me the fuck
off again.
It's this kind of mentality oflet's trick her into it.
So I'm just going to read itquickly here.
This was actually written by abull, somebody who calls himself
a bull, okay, and his advice tothis guy was the original
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person who posted said that youknow, my wife is really hesitant
, she doesn't really want to doit.
Um, she's.
You know, there's a fine linebetween completely rejecting it
and being slightly curious.
Blah, blah, blah.
And the advice that this bullgave was bring a friend friend
in air, quotes, okay over andmention he thinks that she's hot
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, keep it up for a week andinvite him back.
Then talk about cuckolding withboth present.
It'll happen.
I did this with a couple, cameover for what he called a
furnace inspection, chatted thecouple up for a bit and left.
Hubby set the wheels in motionfor a few days till the part
came in.
I returned and she was aloneand nervous as hell.
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My phone buzzed and hubby saidgo for it.
Hubby told the bull, go for it.
I looked her in the eye and Isaid your husband just texted me
and asked me to take you to bed.
Would you like the bed or righthere?
He said she'd been sitting onthe fence for years and had
chickened out at the last minutebefore, so she did not want to
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do this and the two of them gottogether and made this plan that
they were going to trick andpressure this wife into it and
put her on the spot like thatman.
It made me feel fucking ill toread that.
It made me feel sick to mystomach.
It made me feel fucking ill toread that.
It made me feel sick to mystomach.
It made me feel so bad for her.
And this is not the first timeI've seen advice like that given
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out online.
That post is still up.
That comment is still up, whichI think is shit.
Like.
Whoever's moderating that groupneeds to put a stop to that,
because what I want to say is Ithink that there's this idea
with guys out there that whothink that this kind of
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suggestions, advice, behavior,planning, executing all that
stuff is normal, like there'slike there's like maybe it's a
little shady and maybe youshouldn't do it.
Maybe some guys have that intheir mind, like, yeah, I don't
know, but if it works out, theneverything is going to be great,
because then she'll figure outthat this is awesome and she
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likes it.
And then, um, you know, I don'thave to, I don't have, like I
don't know, I don't know whatthe thinking is.
But I think that the most ofthese guys think that this is
normal and this is okay.
And I just want to actuallypoint out that this is not
normal and that this is not okay.
And in North America this isillegal, this is against the law
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.
And so sexual coercion whichI'm going to define it for
everybody listening right now,so you understand what this
actually is, you can recognizeit and be like, oh, that's what
that is.
Sexual coercion is a form ofsexual violence where someone is
pressured, tricked orthreatened into engaging in
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sexual activity that they don'twant to do.
Yeah, and the ways that peoplesexually coerce others mainly is
with pressure and manipulation,but people also use threats and
intimidation.
But all of those things isequals.
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Consent is not freely given.
Of those things is equals.
Consent is not freely given.
If you have, if you'reimplementing those things.
Consent is not freely given andit is a crime in Canada.
It is a crime in the UnitedStates.
It falls under the umbrella ofsexual assault or sexual abuse
laws.
Sexual coercion is wheresomebody is pressured or
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manipulated into sexual activity.
It is a form of sexual assaultand it is illegal.
And I hope everyone listens tothat last part.
It's not okay.
Not only is it fucked up foryou to be doing this to your
wife, it's dishonest, it'smanipulative, it's just trickery
.
Why the fuck are you engagingin that in a relationship where
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you should be honest and openand trust each other?
I would be fucking fuming if myhusband was making these plans
behind my back yeah and tryingto trick me like that after I
had said no, I would be so angrythat I my marriage would be
over.
I'd be like get the, get thefuck out.
I don't trust you.
You know this is not okay andjust makes me really upset.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, as you should be.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Did you know that it was illegal?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So I didn't know that it was illegal per se.
Now I know that obviously, ifyou are pushing a woman to do a
sexual act that's against herwill, obviously that's illegal.
But I didn't know to do it, butshe did do it Versus, okay,
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what's that line where she wastotally without consent and she
was being basically sexuallyattacked, right, like what's
that defining line?
That's what I would like toresearch.
But I feel that in thelifestyle space, we shouldn't
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even approach that line or thatgray area.
You know, especially if you'rea new guy.
And I feel, like you know, inthis instance there's two, uh,
parties at fault.
There's, you know, number one,there's the husband and then,
number two, there's the bullRight and so, with the husband,
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well, and before I even talkabout the husband and the bull's
role in this, like guys andladies that are listening to
this mostly guys who arelistening to this there's two
things that you want to makesure that a woman feel in the
lifestyle.
You want to make sure that,number one, she feels safe and,
number two, that she feelscomfortable.
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So safety and comfort are thetwo pillars of making sure that
your ladies have a good time andthat we're all having a good
rollerco coaster fun of a time,because we can do that, you know
.
But all parties need to feelcomfortable, you know, and women
especially need to feel safe.
Now, husbands, usually it's youthat are bringing up the
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lifestyle to your lady.
That's fine, you know.
Maybe you have this sexual kink, this fantasy or whatnot that
you want to become reality, andthat's fine.
But the old saying goes thatyou can bring a horse to water,
but she can't make it drink.
So you can bring your lady tothe water, but you can't force
her to drink.
So talk about the lifestyle andwhatnot.
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And if she gives resistance andwhatnot, then you basically
have to go with that.
If she just basically flat outsays no, ok, then it's no, you
know.
I mean it doesn't mean that youcan't talk about it further,
but you shouldn't try to put herin a situation that's going to
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make her feel unsafe anduncomfortable.
You know, because you, as herhusband, are supposed to be her
protector and, like venus said,you know she's like I would dip
out.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I'll I would get divorced.
Yeah, fuck you, I'm out likeyou know.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's not cool and yeah, y'all don't know venus
like she.
Hey, she, she's a little bithood.
You know she come from canada,but she's a little bit hood
she'll.
She got a shank in her purse atall times.
And then the bulls I feel theyhave that second responsibility
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as a man to make sure that thewoman that they're going to
potentially play with feelscomfortable.
So every situation that I gointo, especially if it's a
lifestyle situation, a centralmassage situation or whatnot,
I'm always asking the guy,because I'm usually conversing
with him.
At the beginning I'm asking himwhat is her do's, what are her
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do's and don'ts.
But then when I get there inperson and I'm talking to the
lady, I always ask her what herdo's and don'ts are, and so I'm
listening to what she's sayingand then I'm also reading her
body language and seeing howshe's saying things and whatnot,
and I'm very, very clear, justso that I know what her comfort
levels are, because at the endof the day, the guy can say
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anything that he wants, but Idon't care what he says.
All I'm worried about is whatthe woman says is her do's and
don'ts and wants right.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think that there is agray area.
Honestly, I feel like, if it'sa no from her, even if it's a I
don't know, or even if it's likea maybe that's not an
enthusiastic yes, and you don'tstart pressuring somebody, or
you don't pressure somebody atall If they are not an
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enthusiastic yes.
That's how I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I feel like, cause, let's see where you're coming
from.
I feel like, so, havingconversations, right, if she
says no or she's kind of likeblah, blah, blah, okay, I feel
like we should continue theconversation, but you shouldn't
be aggressive on trying to pushit Right.
So maybe it's a thing where youhave continued conversation,
right.
Um, actually, you know, like,making it a physical thing,
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where you're actually puttingher physically in that situation
.
Yeah, to me that's definitely.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
There's no gray area there, you know, know, uh, but I
feel like it's okay to keephaving the conversations, but
you shouldn't put her that, uh,that clear-cut, physical
situation, unless it's like ahell yes from her, you know yeah
, um, some of the other shittythings that I've seen a lot
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online as advice, oh, and thisone is just brutal as advice for
husbands on how they can gettheir wife to cheat on him or,
you know, have sex with anotherdude.
Basically, they come up withall sorts of strategies, but
what's really alarming is a verycommon one is get her really
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drunk.
Get her nice and drunk is whatthey say.
Just get her nice and drunk,take her to a bar.
And one guy even said go to abar, get her nice and drunk Like
oh, just the language of it isfucking horrible and then start
an argument with her and leaveher there.
That was his advice to this guyand I was like, oh my god, and
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nobody's calling this out aslike horrific.
Not just horrific in that you'retrying to make her so that
she's intoxicated and thereforeyou know less likely to say no
to somebody's advances, butyou're fucking leaving her there
or you're starting an argumentin your relationship for with an
ulterior motive like this is sofucked up.
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You sound like a piece of shithuman being.
If you do that to somebody yousupposedly love.
Oh, it's just so fucked up.
I just can't get over it andbut nobody calling out these
really this really fucking shadybad advice, which is the other
flip side of it.
The problems are these dudesthemselves, like you said, and
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then the bulls who go along with.
This is terrible, but also forall the people who are just
turning a blind eye to this,like online.
What the fuck?
Fuck you guys.
You don't call this out, butyeah, the whole getting her
drunk or getting her high stonedis really fucked up.
It's very much reminding me of,or even okay, this other one.
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It sounds very benign, but thisis so hugely problematic and
you've probably come across thisas a bull Husbands sharing
nudes of their wife without herconsent, um, online, just to get
the reaction from bulls like ohshe's hot, I love her titties,
her ass is great, what a greatpussy.
Blah, blah, blah, I'd love todo this to her.
Blah, blah, blah.
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And so you know cucks arewanking off to it thinking that,
like, that's so hot, oh my god.
And meanwhile, example venus isstellar but they're just like,
oh my god, so exciting.
Um, meanwhile, she has no ideathat he's doing this.
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She has no idea that herpictures are now out there with
random people again and it'sjust like it's so gross, like
it's so fucked up, like I don'tknow.
I don't know, guys, why do youthink that this is okay?
This is not okay.
Don't fucking do that.
If my, my husband was doingthat, I would fucking kill him.
Like that is not okay.
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Ever, where's the trust,motherf?
Like it's so not okay.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
But why this bothers me so much.
I've put a lot of thought intothis and I hope that all the
guys listening are reallylistening to this part, Because
you might not think that this issuch a problem.
Let me tell you how much of aproblem this is.
I don't know if you've heard ofGiselle Pellicote.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I have, I have, I have.
She was not in the US.
I think.
Britain is it, france, france,okay, yeah, so she.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
For those of you listening, I hope you guys have
heard her name and know herstory, but if you haven't, she
was, I believe, in her 70s.
But if you haven't, she was, Ibelieve, in her 70s and she
found out that.
Well, she didn't find out.
The police found out that herhusband was drugging her for
nine years, drugging her withlorazepam, a sleepy, a sedative,
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and he invited over at least 72men to rape her at least 92
times over the period of nineyears.
He filmed it all and that's howthey found that.
They know it was that many men,but it was probably much more.
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And he learned how to do thisfrom a guy online who was
drugging and raping his wife andhe then taught Giselle's
husband how to do it.
And then, of course, giselle'shusband taught other men online
how to drug and rape their wife.
Anyway, it was a horrific,horrific story.
I don't know if the husband hadcuckold fantasies.
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He loved to watch her get raped.
He felt no remorse overdrugging her.
She had no memory of it,nothing.
She thought she was gettingAlzheimer's disease because she
would black out.
She had no idea and they wereall brought to trial and
sentenced, which is-.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
As they should have.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
As they should.
Yeah, but the disturbing partwas that men were teaching each
other how to do this.
It wasn't long after that trialthat police I think it was in
Germany found a telegram groupof over 70,000 men from all over
the world.
This was a- 70,000.
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70,000.
Shit, this was a rape chatgroup where men were talking
about drugging and raping theirmothers, their sisters and their
wives and offering their wifeto other men when they're
drugged so they can be raped,and giving advice to other men
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on how to do this.
70,000.
This was just one group online.
This is so fucking vile becauseit just and so when I see these
posts of, oh, get your wifereally drunk, just get her super
drunk, and then she'll, she'lldo it, or you know, oh, it just
gives me the fucking vomitfeeling like it's so gross.
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Yeah, why do you think thatthis is okay to manipulate women
in this way, for their body isso fucked up.
Um, but I just also justrecently watched the netflix
series adolescence, whichapparently 66 million other
people just watched as well.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't know if you've seen it is that the one
with that that uh, that Britishboy, that uh and little girl and
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And, and one of the um themes in that um series is
that through incel andmanosphere culture online, um,
kids are learning, especiallyboys are learning that, um, it's
okay to trick women intogetting their body, but in fact
they say that, you know, womenand girls need to be tricked and
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manipulated into sex or sexualacts or favors or whatever,
because they wouldn't do sootherwise.
And so that's what they'relearning and that's what?
And fuck, I'm just like I see atrend here If husbands are
manipulating and tricking theirwife into fulfilling this
(34:13):
fantasy for them and they feeljustified in doing that and that
that's morally okay.
And then we have, you know,these rape chat groups where
husbands other husbands allacross the world are saying,
yeah, I can't get my wife to dothis, but I'm just going to drug
her and make it happen.
This is so fucked up.
And then, yeah, it's veryupsetting.
(34:35):
So, everybody listening rightnow, please can you just
understand that this is actuallya huge problem and in this
lifestyle, this is not okay.
You don't do that.
So, getting back to what I wassaying before, that the fact
that this is not called out inthis lifestyle is really kind of
fucking weird.
And so I'm calling.
I would like right now to callupon all the bulls out there to
(34:58):
call the shit out.
If you see other guys, otherbulls talking about this,
conspiring together, doing thesetypes of things, call that shit
out.
That's not okay and that'sillegal.
That's assault.
Don't fucking do that Okay.
That's not all right.
And to anybody who moderatesgroups in this lifestyle where
(35:19):
somebody posts something that ismanipulating or trickery like
that, please remove that shit,call it out, put it in your
fucking rules and yourguidelines for your groups that
this is not okay.
I think we need to start kindof building a culture of
awareness around this that thatis not okay.
We don't do that.
(35:39):
That's not okay.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, and I mean there's so
many layers to what you justtalked about.
This is a topic Venus whichneeds to be talked about
repeatedly, because the moreit's talked about, the more
public it's going to be and youknow, we'll see what a big, huge
problem.
(36:01):
It is right, this right,because when I heard the Giselle
situation and I need to do moreresearch into it I just heard
about it offhand.
I thought it was an isolatedincident.
And yeah, there's a few sickfucks out there that get into
(36:24):
doing that.
But for them to say thatthere's like a group, a telegram
group, with 70,000 peopleconspiring to do this, that's
very, very troubling, verytroubling, you know, because
that 70,000 strong grouprepresents probably 70 million
(36:45):
people, or not even maybe thatmuch, but it represents a large,
large population of men thatthink that it's okay and they
basically support each other indoing that.
So that's something that weneed to talk about more and it's
something that men need tounderstand that it's not just a
(37:07):
male-female thing.
It's a thing of being a basicgood human being and making sure
that you're not harming anotherhuman being, but in this case
it's one that's supposed to beyour wife, the one that you're
protecting, the one that you'reloving.
It's sick.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It is sick.
Yeah, it is sick, yeah, it is.
So I I wasn't, you know, Iwasn't sure, like, with doing
this episode.
I wasn't sure because I, forthere, I'm sure that there are
some guys out there whogenuinely don't, didn't, don't
realize that how wrong it is,that maybe they will feel like
shitty about it, you know, like,after hearing this, and then be
like, oh yeah, I probablyshouldn't have done that.
(37:47):
Um, and for those guys like,good, good on you for learning
and for changing your ways,that's fucking good, you know.
But, um, for those, for otherguys who are just like you know,
I don't care, I'm still gonnado this.
I just want to say, fuck youlike you, fuck you, you're a
piece of shit.
Just just fucking stop already.
(38:08):
I hope you get arrested.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I hope she falls charges and I hope you go to
jail that somebody that's big,he's six foot five and he has a
big black cock.
I hope he drugs you and hefucks you in the ass and you'll
see how it feels no, he'dprobably like it, he would
probably I mean no, but I meanseriously, all joking aside.
(38:36):
Uh, that's a big problem because, like, I think, okay, I think
that the majority of guys thatare out there, that are even you
know, of this line of thinking,they're gonna line up more and,
uh, hey, let me try to coercemy wife and set up this fucked
up situation where the bulltries to entice her to fuck her.
I think that's going to be themajority of offenders, but
(38:59):
there's going to be a minorityof them where they're taken into
the extreme areas of fuckedupness, where it's like, um,
drugging, and you know that.
That, honestly, venus, thatblows my mind.
That blows my mind.
That is, uh, you know that,problematic, because that's sick
it's really sick.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
What's it like to be a woman in the world right now?
It's pretty fucking scary,honestly.
Um, if this is, you know, yourhusband, this person who's, like
you said, they're yourprotector supposed to be
watching out for you, is willingto get you intoxicated or
drugged and left in a strangeplace, or giving your body to
other people, to strangers,without your consent.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Oh my god yeah, and when I think about it, venus,
it's like, uh, you're, you'reprobably inviting these guys up
there and you're not even usingprotection.
I doubt that they're even usingprotection, you know, and
you're just having all theserandom strange dudes fucking her
.
They could be pumping her fullof hiv, aids, gonorrhea,
(40:04):
chlamydia and she doesn't evenknow.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Giselle Pelico got an STD.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
She did yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, that's all levels of fucked up.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yep, it really is, it is.
But the 70,000-member rape chatgroup was appalling.
There was several groups thatthey found on Telegram, but that
was the biggest one that theycame across found on on like
telegram, but that was thebiggest one that they came
(40:35):
across um, and they and peoplewere actually, you know, posting
videos of their wife or motheror whatever drugged and raped
and stuff like they wereactively teaching people how to
do this yeah, I mean, could youimagine if there was like a
group of 70 000 people that wereterrorists and they're talking
about all right guys?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
this is how we're going to create bombs and cause
anarchy and blow up schools andgovernment buildings.
Could you imagine if there wasa group of 70,000 guys like that
?
What type of news that would be?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
like news that would be, you know, could you imagine
if there was a group of 70,000women who are conspiring on how
to drug and have their husbandraped up the ass.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I thought you were going to say hey.
I thought you were going to sayhave woman sit on his face.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
No, like for all.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Hey, when I die?
When I die, I want to die ofoxygen deprivation.
I want to be asphyxiated byvaginas on my face.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
But I'm just trying to like for the guys listening,
but you know, for the guyslistening, like for all the
hetero homophobe dudes out there, what if there was all these
wives conspiring to get theirasses fucked by dudes?
You know, it's just like.
That's the level of like.
No fucking consent, no consent.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
When you said that, Venus, my ass cheeks clenched up
very, very tightly.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I know, you know what .
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
It's scary.
Scared You'd be.
Scared You'd be like, oh my God, god, I'm so scared of my wife
right now.
I feel like she's gonna drug meand somebody's gonna come over
and fuck me up the ass and I'mgonna be gay tomorrow hey, it's
only gay if you look into hiseyes and he's smiling oh, okay
(42:28):
but no, no, no, I mean all, alljokes aside, though I mean
that's actually a really goodanalogy.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
That's a really good analogy, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Could you imagine if we were posting pictures of our
husbands getting raped up theass?
How appalling that would be,you know?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yes, yes.
What a different world You'vegot to be crying over here.
What a different world yougotta be crying over here what a
different world it would be.
I just, I just imagine thispoor brother up here and he's
bound and he has his ass up inthe air and like there's a line
of like three, four big assdudes just pounding him like
(43:10):
he's drugged unconscious and hewakes up and he's like my
butthole hurts.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
I don't understand why my butthole hurts.
Why am I?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
getting hemorrhoids now.
I've never had hemorrhoidsbefore.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Why do I have herpes now?
So we laugh.
But like seriously, I would youknow?
I hope that guys can look atthis from a different lens Like,
oh, what if this was flippedaround?
What if the world was reallyunsafe for you and your asshole
was unsafe?
Consent meant nothing.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, that was actually a good analogy.
That was actually a goodanalogy.
So, guys, unless you want to bedrugged and have your asshole
fucked, don't do that to yourwives.
Yeah, don't do that.
But yeah, and I mean, it's athing where, men, we don't
(44:08):
respect our wives and our ladies, as they should be respected.
We should put them on pedestalsand treat them as our queens
and not saying that we need tojust be overran by our woman and
, you know, be, yes, men, andthis, and that I mean, if that's
(44:28):
the case, if that's how youguys do it.
You know, for those guys thatare in FLR, female led
relationships, okay, if that'sthe lifestyle that you guys live
and you both consent, okay, doit that way.
But for just any general manoutside of FLR, you should be
treating your wife as a queen.
You should be putting her onthat pedestal.
(44:50):
You should be treating her as ajewel and you putting her in
this compromising positionthat's basically against her
will, you're basically puttingher at risk.
You're basically putting her atrisk of dying.
What if she catches AIDS fromyour dumb actions?
You know, don't do that.
(45:13):
And I feel like this is a topic, again Venus, that we need to
discuss over and over again.
It's not just a thing thatshould be discussed once.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yes, and I think that goes hand in hand with building
a culture of responsibility andsafety in this lifestyle.
To make it not okay, like rightnow it seems like this kind of
behavior in the lifestyle istolerated and it should not be.
Let's shame the fuck out ofthese people.
Like, don't do that.
Like, don't come, don't.
(45:45):
Like, don't do that.
It's not okay.
There's a reason why it isillegal to do that.
To manipulate your wife intodoing this in these sneaky ways,
like, and for the guyslistening who are like, oh, but
she wouldn't do it in any otherway, oh, my God, go to therapy,
figure out what the fuck iswrong with you, because that's
not all right for you to be okaywith that.
(46:07):
Like it's not okay for you tobe all right in your moral
fucking mind with doing thatshit to your wife.
Go to therapy, do the work.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, yeah, cause, and guys, we're not saying that
if you have a kink, that youshouldn't talk about it with
your wife.
So if you have a kink, yeah,you, you should talk about it
with your wife, you shouldcommunicate it, uh, but if she
says no, and it's an aggressiveno, don't push it, okay.
(46:39):
So one thing that I've seenthat works with a lot of guys
that want to jump into thislifestyle.
Let's say, their wife is kindof like no, that's kind of weird
, frank.
They basically put out a lot ofinformation, they put out the
Venus Cacoldris podcast, bullsand Queens books and whatnot,
(47:01):
and they let their wife learnthat way and maybe she gets
comfortable with it.
Maybe she doesn't.
If she doesn't, she doesn't.
If she doesn't, then that'sfine, but you just got to shelf
that kink.
If she says no and she'sadamant on it, you just got to
(47:24):
shelf that kink.
It just is what it is.
Okay, taking your example, venus, if your wife had a kink where
she was like I've just alwayswanted my husband to get fucked
in the ass, or I've alwayswanted to peg my husband in the
ass with a 12 inch black dildo,okay, she can discuss it with
you and, you know, maybe you sayyes, maybe you don't.
(47:44):
Maybe, if you're like, eh, Idon't think so, honey, you know,
maybe she says he's a bunch ofpodcasts talking about pegging,
maybe you change your mind andyou're like, okay, let's explore
this, maybe you don't.
But if you say no, I don't wantthis 12 inch dildo in my ass.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
she has to respect what you say yes, absolutely,
and it's the same with any kindof kink that you don't really
like, that you like there's allsorts of I don't want to say
extreme kinks out there, butthere's some fucking, there's
some shit out there.
Okay, and like I, I alwaysstill for guys who are like, but
(48:18):
my wife just won't do thisfantasy for me.
I'm like, well, what if you had, what if she had a kink that
was so revolting to you that youwere just like, oh hell, no,
like like she really like wantsyou to wear a diaper and shit in
it so she could eat it.
Like you know it exists, it's athing.
(48:40):
Okay, I really want you to weardiaper, shit in it, so I could
eat it.
And then, like what?
I'm not comparing cuckolding towearing a diaper and shitting
it and eating it, but I'm justsaying that, like when it's a
kink that you're not into andyou're just like I cannot get
into this at all, like I'm sorrythis, you're really into this,
(49:02):
but like I cannot then putyourself in her shoes and
understand that, like okay,maybe this is asking too much
yeah, side notes, I'm not sureif Kathy Kay from Strictly
Anonymous ever told you thisstory, but she had a guy that
would.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
He would nut cum inside of a condom and then he
would take the cum and put it ina batter of eggs and batter it
up and then he would fry it andthen he would eat it.
So he would eat some cum eggs.
Because I was interviewing herand I asked her what's the
weirdest story you've heard?
And she told me that and I waslike wow yeah see, I've become
(49:44):
aversion.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
I just I immediately want to throw up when I think
about that you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
You wouldn't eat those scrambled eggs.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
It's full of protein I and see I cannot, because I
physically get sick, and so ifsomebody had this like fetish
thing I would just be like I'mso sorry, but like I cannot, I
cannot, I can't, I can't gothere I can't eat those eggs.
Take those eggs away from meyeah, so, yeah, that's a funny
(50:14):
story, though I've heard wayworse than that, though.
Um, there's some, there's somecrazy kinks out there, yeah, but
yeah, okay.
So, um, going back to what wesaid earlier, I think the point
of doing this show is to wrapthis up anyway is that,
personally, I would like forpeople to stop normalizing this
(50:34):
and start actually calling itout for what it is and that it's
not okay.
So, for bulls out there, callthe shit out.
Okay.
For cocks out there, if youhear about stories about this,
call the shit out.
Women, if your husband istrying to, if you catch him
trying to do this to you, knowthat this is not okay.
(50:55):
This is not all right.
This is against the law.
You can't do this to people,okay, and, and moderators out
there, please clamp down on thisshit, because we can't be
having people learning aboutthis shit online, this awful
behavior online learning aboutthis shit online, this awful
behavior online, yeah, andhonestly, like on a Reddit
(51:16):
community.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
If they're talking about illegal things, if you
report it, they're going to getthe group banned.
You know, there's a reason whythis the 70,000 man group
talking about raping their wives.
There's a reason why this the70,000 man group talking about
raping their wives.
There's a reason why it was onTelegram instead of Reddit
(51:38):
because that shit would have gotbanned with the quickness.
So if you see groups like thatout there where they're
basically it's just groupsfocused around harming women
report the group yeah,absolutely, so this has been the
beautiful lovely, gorgeouswomen.
report the group.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
This has been the beautiful,lovely, gorgeous Venus Kakodris,
and you can find her atVenusKakodriscom, and the semi
(52:04):
decent looking Doc Chocolate.
You can find him at.
Bullsandqueenscom.
So until next time.
Y'all have fun and eat youreggs.
Ew.
That's going to be it fortoday's episode.
So until next time.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Y'all have fun and eat your eggs.
That's going to be it fortoday's episode.
Thank you so much for joiningme.
Make sure you go tovenuscuckoldresscom.
That's where you can book aprivate chat with me, and you
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All right, that's it fortoday's show.
You guys, we'll see you nexttime.
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