January 11, 2025 • 47 mins
Geoff and Laura are honored to speak with former Army SSG Sonny Fleeman, a federal whistleblower and combat veteran renowned for his outspoken stance against unethical practices at the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). As a member of Feds for Freedom and a signatory of the Declaration of Military Accountability, Fleeman has raised concerns about the use of Motivational Interviewing to persuade veterans to receive the COVID-19 vaccine without proper informed consent. He has shared his findings and opinions, obtained through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, with various media outlets. Fleeman hopes the new presidential administration and Congress will address these issues and ensure greater accountability and ethical conduct within the VA and related institutions.
https://militaryaccountability.net/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's men and women all around who fought and died
for your freedom, and it's realf***ed up how the government
treats them.
They just sit back and theywon't even feed them as they lay
on the ground feeling defeated.
Lord, they paid their dues andthey beat the enemy While
they're all alone fighting PTSD.
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Cause freedom ain't free, butin reality, you entitled
a**holes are handed everything.
We should all rise up and alljust agree that division ain't
the way that it's supposed to be.
Lord, it's a damn shame whatthe world's gotten to.
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We, the people like you, and we, the people like me, should
just wake up and realize it'strue, cause it is, oh it is
Living in a new world With anold soul.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Welcome everybody to the Veteran Show.
Thank you for listening.
I'm Jeff and I'm here with mywonderful, beautiful wife, laura
.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Today is 11 January 2025.
I want to thank WCVM andproducer Michelle for letting us
do this and everything we do.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, definitely.
Thank you, WCVM and producerMichelle man.
Oh man, we put you through thering ourselves, but we thank you
for everything.
And, baby, your radio voice isjust awesome.
Good job, baby.
We're getting better.
Huh, we're almost soundingprofessional, but we're not.
So don't get your hopes up.
I am Laura and you are listeningto the Veteran Show.
Typically, we open the showwith prayer.
(01:43):
You know what.
We're going to open this prayerand we're going to close it
with prayer tonight.
I think we're going to need it.
So, if you can, bow your headswith me, our Father, who art in
heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom, come.
Thy will be done on earth as itis in heaven.
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Give us this day our dailybread.
Amen, thank you for joining us,for thine is the kingdom, the
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power and the glory forever andever.
Amen.
Thank you for joining us.
We appreciate it.
We first want you to know forthe purpose of the veteran show.
We're just two veterans whowant to help other veterans.
We want to prevent veteransuicide and we believe that one
of the ways to do that is justby having a conversation about
what's going on.
We believe that by talking Idon't know our shared
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experiences will help oneanother.
If you're in a dark place rightnow, though, and you need to
reach out, we tell you don'tstay locked in your own head.
Just talk to somebody.
Talk to family, loved ones, butif you want a more professional
or just a, if you want a moreprofessional or just somebody
different, you can dial 988 andthen option 1, or you can text
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838255.
You can also chat online bygoing to
wwwveteranscrisislinenet.
Those are some of the main ways,but some other ways you can
reach out is Heroes Bridge.
That's a charity we like towork with.
Heroes Bridge is awesome.
They have the National BattleBuddy Call-In Center.
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What they do is they mainlyhelp veterans over the age of 65
, but they'll help any veteranand they'll help you with
anything.
So if you call 1-800-653-8387,if you're a veteran, just tell
them what you need and they'llhelp you out.
If you're a veteran, just tellthem what you need and they'll
help you out.
If you're looking for money,these aren't the charities for
you.
I'm just going to warn you.
They're just looking to reallyhelp.
So if you need yard work, ifyou need transportation,
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whatever, but just call theHeroes Bridge, warfighter
Advance, and their number is202-239-7395.
Again, that's 202-239-7395.
Warfighter Advance is anawesome program and they do not
medicate you.
If you're dealing withhomelessness, you can contact
the Baltimore Station and theirnumber is 410-752-2254.
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Again, that's 410-752-2254 ifyou're dealing with homelessness
.
And then if you do haveproblems or issues with your
finances and you need help, youcan call Operation First
Response.
Their number is 888-289-0280.
Again, if you need help withfinances, their number for
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Operation First Response is888-289-0280.
But all of those charities arefor veterans.
They're all free to veteransand all they want to do is help.
So if you need help, definitelygive them a call.
My personal favorite, though, isGod and his son, jesus Christ.
That's what's helped me themost in my entire life.
I've been through the ringer ofa lot of things, and I've tried
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everything, and I, like many ofyou out there, have popped a
whole bunch of pills hoping thatwould help, and it didn't.
And when I finally justrealized that God exists, his
son exists, and I said I have nocontrol, I need help, man, oh
man, he.
He stepped in, and I know hewill for you too.
So you know, if you, if you'vereached rock bottom and you've
got nowhere else to go, might Irecommend calling out to Jesus
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Christ Cause I know he'll answerto you and I absolutely know
he'll answer now because I toldyou he would.
So I have faith that he answersBefore we get started on
everything tonight.
First let's start on a happynote.
There is a thing going onthat's super cool.
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With all the other naturalthings going on right now, there
just so happens to be anotherone from I think it already
started the 10th From January10th to the end of February is a
thing called the Parade ofPlanets.
It's like with six differentplanets are going to be lined up
Super cool.
I know right now you probablycan't see it.
I think it's cloudy out, butfor like two months you're going
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to see all these planets linedup.
So if you want something to dowith your grandkids, might I
recommend you find anobservatory or find something,
and just even if you look it uponline with them or just talk to
them, it's pretty cool.
The next thing I want to makesure that I get out is when we
talk about people dealing withstuff and going through hard
times.
I know a lot of people outthere are sick right now.
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I was telling some of my familythat actually basically
everybody I know has a loved oneor knows somebody that has
either been recently diagnosedwith cancer, is getting a biopsy
done or just found out thatthey don't have cancer.
But they were worried they hadto get it looked at.
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So I reached out to a formalguest of ours and I'm trying to
find it now.
See, I wish I had it, but it'sColonel Tankersley and he
recommended a book and I want torecommend it to all of you.
If you are dealing with recentdiagnosis of cancer or anything
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like that, you can find theCancer Care, repurposed
Metabolic Intervention, andthat's on.
I don't like Amazon, but that'swhat I would look for, so let
me look for it.
Okay, it is called Cancer Care,the Role of Repurposed Drugs
and the Metabolic Interventionsof Treating Cancer.
So if you have a loved one orif you yourself has been
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recently diagnosed with anything, dr Tankersley, colonel
Tankersley, we've had him on theshow that's the book that he
recommends.
So that's what I think you guysshould look at and I thank him
for helping me and tellingpeople about that.
So we do have a guest tonightPretty amazing guest and I've
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been thinking a lot about thisbabe.
We've had a few conversationsthis week as well that you know
when I come on the air I soundpretty angry and drill
sergeant-y and stuff like that,and I think a lot of people ask
what the purpose of the show isand I really don't know.
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It started off with us justtrying to give out VA benefits
and it's quickly morphed intopulling back the curtain and
seeing what actually liesunderneath of the VA programs
and a veteran's lifestyle notjust mine, but everybody's and
it's been very eye-opening.
So I think that's what you, theaudience.
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You're on a journey with us tosee what it's really like and
what these acts and these rulesand these regulations and these
big VAs, what it all does.
It's quite a system and it'sbeen in place for a very, very
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long time and I think many of usare just very providing to us
and what it's not and where it'sstarting to fail.
We have a lot of veterans whoare not covered yet.
There's a lot of the Uzbekistanveterans who still need
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coverage.
I know Vietnam veterans, koreanWar veterans and everything.
But this week I ran across quitea few articles, but one of them
is while the VA says they don'thave money and while everybody
says they don't have money andremember, the VA is being kind
of run by the same governmentwho has run our Social Security
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into the ground, so just keepthat in mind.
The same people in charge ofSocial Security and all that
money are the same people whohave been doing this.
But the Pentagon reached asettlement with more than 35,000
gay and lesbian ex-servicemembers and what I understand
this is going to do is that theyare taking resources.
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There was a lawsuit going onand the Pentagon, before a
decision was made in the lawsuit, it settled and it agreed to
revise 35,000 members records.
That's the way I read this.
So it's going to go back andreissue DD Form 214s because of
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the separation codes.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Just automatically.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Without a court order, theyjust settled and that's what
they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Without the service members actually going back and
having to request this.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I believe.
So I'm not 100% sure on that,but from from from what I, I
mean it might be a class action,but they are using resources to
go back and change dd form 214sof 35 000 x service members.
That's what they're using theirmoney on.
How much, how much money do youthink that takes baby to go
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back into 35,000 records?
How much time?
How many resources, likepersonnel, I don't know Massive
yeah.
That's a big distraction witheverything that's going on in
the Pentagon.
I wonder if the Pentagon hasdone some research about how
their ships are built with thesteel the bad steel that they
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were given many, many decadesago.
I don't know, maybe they couldresearch that.
But as I was skimming througharticles, I came through two
articles on the Gateway Punditand it's just so stark.
So I see one article that waswritten by Just the News
Pentagon reaches settlement withmore than 35,000 gay and
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lesbian ex-servicemen to revisetheir records.
Yet then I see another in theGateway Pundit, two articles,
and this says the clock isticking for the Department of
Veterans Affairs to rein inburgeoning liabilities.
And it's a part one and parttwo article in burgeoning
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liabilities.
And it's a part one and parttwo article.
So I don't know.
I mean this is crazy, babe rightyeah, it is so we can correct
dd form 214s, but the departmentof veteran affairs as it stands
right now and we will get intothis in a second more with our
guests as it stands right now,the Department of Veterans
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Affairs, in my personal opinion,is unsustainable, and we are
going to discuss that and it'sgoing to impact every single
veteran and active duty member.
We have to take a break.
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
One day there'll be no more waiting left for our
souls.
One day there'll be no morechildren longing for home.
One day, when the kingdom comesright here where we stand, we
will see the promised land fromthis thing.
One day, there'll be no morelives taken too soon.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
One day there'll be no more.
Welcome back, everybody, andthank you for listening to the
Veterans Show.
If you're in crisis, pleasepick up the phone, dial 988,
press Option 1, or text 838-255.
Just remember, you're neveralone.
Somebody always wants to hearyour voice.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We do.
We absolutely do.
Always reach out, always askfor help, always get out of your
own head, and I know thismoment will pass.
I know it's a moment, a briefmoment of darkness, but you've
been through them before, I havetoo and you and I together will
get through this and we'll getto the light at the end of the
tunnel.
So hang in there, reach out forhelp and tell people that you
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need it.
Tonight.
I am honored to introduce allof you to my new best friend.
It's a pretty amazing guy andI'm just learning about him, but
man, oh man, the courage thathe has shown, because it's going
to change every veteran's life.
I am honored to introduce youto former Army Staff Sergeant
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Sonny Fleeman.
He is a federal whistleblowerand he is also a signatory of
the Declaration of MilitaryAccountability, attorney of the
Declaration of MilitaryAccountability, and he's going
to help, I pray, explain to allof you why I sound so angry.
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All of the time.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
So, sergeant Fleeman, thank you so much for joining
us.
Can you hear me okay?
Yeah, I can hear you okay, andthank you for having me on,
laura.
It's an honor and a privilegeand I appreciate the opportunity
.
There's a lot to unpack, butbefore I unpack it, I've got to
disclose and it's very importantfor everybody to understand
that the views and opinions thatI express here today in this
podcast are my own.
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They don't reflect the views ofthe Department of Veterans
Affairs, the US government, themilitary, any organization or
employer.
They're my own views.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Thank you for that.
Thank you, sergeant Fleeman, Ireally appreciate that.
Before the break I told theaudience that I came across two
articles this week in theGateway Pundit and you were
referenced in those articles.
So I would appreciate if youcould first tell the audience a
little bit about you, yourmilitary career, and then tell
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the audience what you weretelling us in those articles.
Well, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I'm just a combat veteran staff sergeant, former
infantry.
Nothing really special about me.
I've worked since the COVID-19mandate started in the federal
government.
I was in the medical freedommovement working with multiple
organizations notably like Fedsfor Freedom most prolifically
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and like working with their FOIAteams and other things like
that.
And this data, the GatewayPundit article that you're
referring to, regarding theliability of the.
VA was actually incidental andwhat occurred was I had
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requested, and it took me, Ithink, well over a year, almost
two years, to secure this datafrom the VA.
It's the last 20 years of VAclaims data associating all the
diagnostic codes and the levelof disability breach diagnostic
code and other data that can beused to analyze.
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What I was thinking was is Icould take this data and share
it with some experts and try tosee how the COVID-19 gene
therapy that they call a vaccinemandate was impacting service
members.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
And then how that could show up in the claims data
.
I thought maybe the claims datacould reveal some interesting
things.
Okay, and after I requestedthat, I finally got it and I
sent it to Steve Kirsch whopublished it on a sub-stack.
He had some interestingfindings.
He would look it up.
You know, conditions are uplike crazy Cancers,
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cardiomyopathy, 5x,post-vaccination, interesting
right.
But of course you know,correlation doesn't mean equal
causation, so that's justanother data point, especially
with the PACT Act occurring veryshortly after they injected the
entire military with a toxicsubstance.
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But I'm going to go back to theGateway Pundit article
discussing the unsustainableliabilities.
That's been a lot of contentionand I've gotten mixed messages
back several articles out onthat.
But the way it occurred is.
We started looking into thatdata a little deeper after we
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shared it with Steve Kirsten,because I noticed some anomalies
, and so I just started playingwith it, and the only thing I
did is I said, well, I have allthe last 20 years' data, I have
all the numbers for all thediagnostic codes how many
veterans are diagnosed and atwhat percentage for the last 20
years and so the only thing Icould do is I could just take
the VA rating schedule and youknow the base rate for every
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year and you know apply that andthen run some basic projections
.
you know, and you know, I founda lot of problems more than.
I can speak about here, allright, but you know, most
notably, I mean, I noticed thatPTSD was a really good example.
Okay, example okay, and you know, one of the findings was I said
you know, and it's a veryconservative estimate that you
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know the liabilities for PTSD,given the average lifespan of
veterans being 20 years and theaverage rating of 70% for PTSD,
which are both accurateestimates and at a base rate
considering a single veteranwith no dependents.
Right would be you know, atrillion dollars, conservatively
, the liability, just for onediagnostic code.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Okay, Say a little bit about that diagnostic code.
What are you talking about?
Is that that's attached to?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
That would be the diagnostic code for PTSD.
That means that just for PTSDalone, you know, in the near
future the liability for onediagnostic code for
service-connected veterans atthe VA will exceed a trillion
dollars, based on my estimates.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
So you're saying that there's way too many of us who
have been rated for PTSD?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I don't say too many, I'll just say what I would
point to is that would be anunsustainable.
When you add that up with therest of the rating schedule and
you look at the situation as itis.
It's an unsustainable number,all right, I mean there's no
compensation in the world thatcan handle that.
And, as you can see, right now,currently, at the present, the
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VA is already running short ontheir budget.
And what do they say when theyrun short on their budget?
They say, oh no, we won't beable to pay the veterans.
We now need to run to Congress.
And that upsets me because thatshould never be something that
can ever be said.
We are not going to fulfill ourobligations.
It shouldn't even be possible.
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But what people need to know isread between the lines.
When they start saying we can'tfulfill it, that means that is
possible.
It is possible.
And when we have, with thesekind of numbers, 1.4 million
veterans service connected forPTSD at an average 70% rate,
there's a lot of peopledependent on that money.
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And you know that's just thereality.
And so when the VA startstalking about we might not be
able to pay that and we look atthe dramatic increase, it's
something we have to address.
And I know it's an unpopularthing to post, but it's my
responsibility when I cameacross it to post it and you
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know the data's out there.
Just go to Steve Kirsch's substack.
That's what I gave to him.
You might learn a few thingsabout COVID-19 injections and
you can get the data yourselfand run your own analysis.
But just a little bit more of abackground on why, hey, why was
I looking into the?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
COVID-19 vaccine.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Well, that has to do with the PAC-DAC and it's very
important that everybodyunderstands there is a I want to
talk about the PAC-DAC.
I'm sure everybody's familiarwith what that is and if not,
just look it up because I wantto go to one specific provision
of the PAC-DAC.
All right, and it's calledToxic Exposure Risk Act could be
.
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And what this provision does isthe VA if they can't service
connect the condition that aveteran claims on a direct basis
means directly connected toservice all right, or on a
presumptive basis, meaning likeAgent Orange or contaminated
water in Camp Lejeune you knowall those disabilities that are
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presumptive if you have aqualifying service, like if you
were served in Vietnam or any ofthe presumptive locations or
were exposed to contaminatedwater in Camp Lejeune right.
What that means is is thatbefore the VA can, deny anything
they have to evaluate to see ifthat particular claim could
possibly be related to anon-presumptive condition based
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on a toxic exposure riskactivity.
Okay, and in layman's terms,and just to make it very simple
and leave all the regulationsout of it, so the audience just
understands the way the VAinterprets what the Toxic
Disposure Risk Act can be is,very simply, is it consistent
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with the facts and circumstancesof service?
All right, I wrote myself alittle note just to kind of help
everybody understand what'sgoing on here.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Because, before I move on to this note, let me
read for the facts andcircumstances right, it means
you know there's an occupationalexposure and you were exposed
to jet fuel, and you were.
You know diesel fuel or solvent, and you were you know a pilot
or a mechanic or infantry.
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You know, as long as you claiman exposure that's consistent
with the facts and circumstancesof your service, the VA is,
under this provision, requiredto concede exposure.
And what that means for theveteran, okay is.
That means now we have an eventin service, so you might not
have a, the veteran might nothave a disability or an injury
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shown in service, but now the VAis taking that toxic exposure
right and that's your event inservice.
And now they have to do amedical opinion, right?
So if a veteran has unexplainedcancer, that's not presumptive
right and they say, oh mygoodness, that veteran, you know
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, served, you know, as amechanic and was exposed to all
these different solvents and jetfuels and all these different
chemicals.
Well then, before we can denythat there might not be nothing,
before the VA can deny thatthere might not be anything in
the service treatment records,right, there might not be
anything in service at all thatindicates that and it's not a
presumptive condition it mightbe a type of cancer that's not
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associated with their Gulf Warservice or their exposure to
Agent.
Orange, but because that veteranhas a toxic exposure.
That's consistent with the factthat they're being taken to
service related to their MOS theVA is going to have to go ahead
and get a medical opinion onthat.
Now.
this is very important becauseyou have to understand that the
VA is a non-adversarial systemand that means, when the
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evidence is equal, it's in theveteran's favor, right and so
believe it or not after thatmedical examiner looks at that
file, looks at that record thatveteran's got, you know, a good
chance of gettingservice-connected because it
doesn't have to be, 100% proven.
It just needs to be at least aslikely as not, and as long as
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the evidence is equal, thatmedical opinion will fall in the
veteran's favor right.
And so getting that examination, having that event in service
is a big deal.
It changes the way the veteranschange claims.
Now this is very importantbecause I want you to everybody
understand this could beconsidered the most liberal
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provision that the VA has everput out Okay, Okay, it's the
most generous provision ever.
Okay, and it says hey you knowin layman's terms if you have
any kind of exposure that'sconsistent with the facts and
circumstances of to the publicthat the VA uses to process PACT
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Act-related claims andterror-related claims.
There's a little caveat, beyondthe, so you know, determining
what the circumstances are ofthe Veterans Service.
That's consistent with theterror, with the toxic exposure
risk activity.
And it says, recognizeparticipation in the terror.
If it's consistent with theplaces, types and circumstances
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of the veteran's service,consistent with 38 CFR, 303a,
all right, and that basically,is just facts and circumstances
of service, liberalinterpretation.
We're going to go in favor ofthe veteran, but listen to this
little caveat they put in Right,the VA is going to go in favor
of the veteran.
But listen to this littlecaveat they put in right.
Now keep in mind, this isdirectly after they injected,
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mandated the injection of theentire military with the
COVID-19 shot right.
Important Vaccines andmedications in general are not
considered participation in thetoxic exposure risk activity,
because there is no scientificand medical evidence that
supports the conclusions thatvaccines and medications
administered to serviceconnection members have resulted
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in long-term adverse healtheffects.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
So did they write themselves a loophole there.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Well, I would call it more than that Because the way
I like.
So, the VA is deliberatelyexcluding the COVID-19 injection
, a toxic experimental genetherapy deceptively relabeled as
a vaccine, from the same factsand circumstances standards that
they apply to every other toxicexposure.
Yeah, because they saylong-term.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Long-term.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Exploiting bias and veterans who spent any amount of
time in the airspace, let's sayover south of the theater,
southwest Asia Theater ofOperations.
let's say you spent five minutesthere right are automatically
conceded for having participatedin a toxic exposure risk
activity, yet a toxic substancethat was directly injected into
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their body isn't simply becauseit's labeled as a vaccine.
That's absurd.
It's not about science orsafety for the VA, it's about
protecting the vaccine'sreputation instead of protecting
veterans.
That's not just inconsistent,it's unethical, it's dangerous,
all right, and it's a completebetrayal of the VA's duties to
those you serve.
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And let me just explain what'sgoing on here.
So they've got that.
So here's the effect of that.
Though, now, all these veteransthat may be injected by this,
you have this extremely liberalprovision, so a lot of the
injuries that may be associatedwith these toxic ingestions and
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just so we can clarify.
Your audience may be familiarwith the recent news in the
peer-reviewed journal that cameout regarding the DNA
contamination.
Right, but that's just onetoxic mechanism, the spike
protein.
In and of itself, the inventorof the technology, robert Malone
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, I believe he even testified infront of Congress regarding its
toxicity right and the lipidnanoparticle is known to be
toxic.
This is a and the adverseevents are a matter of record.
I mean it's a toxic exposurerisk activity.
It is the definition of one.
I mean it's a toxic exposurerisk activity.
It is the definition of one.
So what you have here is the VApicking and choosing what they
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want to do and they just, youknow, they're like, oh well.
And the effect of that is,guess what it is.
It covers up the effect of themandated shot, and let me expand
even further on how nefariousthis is.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
And I will let you expand.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Hold on, is it okay?
Can I go on with?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
that Just a second.
We're going to have to take abreak.
Sorry, that's.
A cruddy thing about radio isthat we've got to take these
breaks.
But we're going to take a break.
We will be right back.
Everybody, hang on.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
These days, my heart's always on the run.
These days, the world'sspinning out of control.
These days are fast and they'refurious.
Feels like the worst is aheadof us.
Oh, oh oh.
Sometimes it's hard to feel athome, but I believe that you and
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I are in the right place At theright time.
God called us by name and hedoesn't make mistakes.
I know we were born to shinebright.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Welcome back, everybody and thank you for
listening to the Veteran Show.
If you're in crisis, pleasepick up the phone, dial 988,
press Option 1, or text 838255.
Just remember you're neveralone.
There's always somebody outthere who wants to hear your
voice.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
There, absolutely is.
There really is.
Thank you for giving that out,babe.
On the phone we still have ArmyStaff Sergeant Sonny Fleeman
who is talking to us.
He is a federal whistleblowerand a signatory of the
Declaration of MilitaryAccountability we were just
talking about.
So from what I understand Imight be getting this wrong the
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veterans or active duty weregiven the vaccine shot and then
the PACT Act came out.
But in the PACT Act, in thelegislation, it specifically
says in there that the vaccinesare exempt.
But what's interesting aboutthat is they're saying studies,
that all the studies show thatthere's no adverse reactions,
but that they didn't wait forthe studies.
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So how can they exemptsomething they didn't wait for
the studies for?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Do I understand?
Well, I don't want to spend toomuch time on that topic.
Okay, it's a lot For one.
It's just the evidence theywant to look at.
And another thing is they'retaking think about it like this
you know, you go back to thehistory of anthrax and there's a
problem there.
And there's a problem there andthere's a lot of suspects at
Gulf War Syndrome and thoseeffects.
They may be associated withthat.
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But that's up for debate.
But the point is, what they'redoing here is just like you said
they don't know anything aboutit.
It's toxic, right, but they'retrying to make the excuse that
there's no evidence.
They're not mentioning the factthat it's an entirely novel
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technology, right, and you knowso.
It was never.
It was a gene therapy.
Before they decided to label it, the CDC decided to change the
definition and label themvaccines, right, and so like
they're just lumping it in thereand you know doing it, but
you're not.
the point is is that they're notapplying the same standard to
the toxins.
Basically, what they're sayingis facts and circumstances don't
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apply to our vaccine, but theydo to everything else.
And that's very convenientbecause the VA was the first to
mandate the shot.
And let me roll into the vaccineadvocacy bias that is inherent
in the Department of VeteransAffairs and the extent okay,
medical centers using acounseling technique, which in
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this context, is a manipulationtechnique in violation of
informed consent.
But they decided that they weregoing to apply a counseling
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technique called motivationalinterviewing, right to increase
their vaccine uptake for theCOVID-19 shot, right.
And so what they did was theyused motivational interviewing
in a study right and to see whatthis effect was, and they did
it in a live study.
So they used motivationalinterviewing techniques to the
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veterans that came into these VAmedical centers right, and the
ones that got injected with theshots.
What they did is when theywanted to find out if their
manipulation worked, then theygave them consent and they got a
consent board and said, willyou participate in the study?
But they never told theseveterans that they were being
experimented on and did it formotivational interviewing to
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increase vaccine uptake, right.
So it was a massive violationof informed consent.
They don't respect the veteransinformed consent they
experimented on them withouttheir consent.
Then they only consented in themanipulation work um and, and.
That just shows you how far theva is willing to go um with
these shots and I can't do it Ihave in my.
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I've got a lot of lawyers in mypossession but you you might
find that some things were saidin internal videos to these
veterans, even in their owntraining videos that are proven
to be false.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Um so you know, but that's, that's uh.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Um, you know, got to get those through foyer, get
those out there there.
But just to summarize it, theyuse motivational interviewing to
convince veterans to take theshot right.
Motivational interviewing issupposed to be a counseling
technique, that is, I'm not aclinical psychologist so I might
destroy this, but it's designedto help people make their own
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decisions right.
But when you use it in thecontext of trying to increase a
vaccination, you're abusing itand now it becomes a
manipulation technique.
And when you do something that'soutside of standard care, which
is the general informed consentright and just, instead of
motivational interviewing and anexperimental technique, when
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you're experimenting on veterans, you should tell them before,
especially if you're trying toconvince them to take an
experimental gene therapy.
Right, right.
But, that's not what they did.
No, they consented them afterthe fact.
And so there's something else.
And oh, by the way, just tobring it out there, I did
another FOIA that came inthrough a whistleblower inside
the VA that wanted to remainanonymous and just gave me the
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point that, hey, we want you tolook at a certain database and
tell me how many veterans justlook at this point how many
veterans were hospitalizedwithin six months of taking one
of these COVID-19 vaccines I gotmy.
FOIA back.
It was like almost I don't havethe exact number, but it was
like almost 400,000.
Right, I mean.
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And so you know, you've got thedata from Steve Kirsch, you've
got everything that's coming out, you've got the DNA
contamination.
You've got the inventor of thistechnology telling you it's
toxic, all right, and then let'slook at the conflict of
interest.
So you want to listen?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
to the government.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Let me tell you something, all right.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
There is nothing more profitable, no better business
model than a vaccination and apandemic.
There is not a better businessmodel in existence.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
All right.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
And on top of that right, this mRNA technology is
one of the cheapestmanufacturing systems out there
for vaccination is one of thecheapest manufacturing systems
out there for a vaccination andit's easily adaptable to
multiple different kinds ofpathogens.
Right, it's the perfectbusiness model.
So when you understand that,all of this becomes very clear.
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The motivations become veryclear.
Why everything was done becomesvery clear, because it's follow
the money, follow the money.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Right.
Right and you know, I'll restmy case there.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Any other questions?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
So let me make sure I understand this at the simplest
of levels, because I'm not avery smart man, jenny.
But the military usedtechniques to help motivate and
convince people to take avaccine that they might not have
taken had they just been giventhe option and not used
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motivational techniques.
But motivational techniqueswere used on them and either
they made a decision to beinjected or not be injected.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
This is the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
The Department of Veterans Affairs.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
And that's on veterans that got injected at VA
medical centers.
Okay, and just for context, theDepartment of Veterans Affairs
injected approximately 5 millionveterans.
Oh, by the way, let me pointthis out as well, a lot of
veterans don't know this, butthere is a law.
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It's called Title 38, usc 1151.
Okay, an 1151 claim is when youget harmed by VA care.
You can do an 1151 claim, oneclaim and if that claim is
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granted if that claim is grantedum, then whatever injury you
receive would be as if serviceconnected right um and a lot of.
They don't tell veterans whenyou go in to get a covid 19 shot
if you have a um an adversereaction, okay, okay, and a
residual disability?
Right then you would be, youknow you could claim that right
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and I always like to point outthat you know the VA has got
they were the first ones tomandate the vaccines on their
own employees before thepresident did, before the
military did, and so they havean extreme.
especially this administrationand the VA in general and the
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leadership that's currentlythere have an extreme conflict
of interest because they madetheir own employees take the
injection.
They mandated them Before thepresident.
President Biden did, before themilitary did.
It was the current VA secretarywho was the first to mandate
these shots.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
And so you can imagine the conflict of interest
there in admitting they'retoxic, right.
Just to make that clear, but1151 claims are interesting.
And the reason why people needto know about them.
There's a benefit.
They have no statute oflimitations, so you're not
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likely.
I mean I would say that it'sgoing to be very difficult to
prove and very difficult to winan 1151 claim for an injury that
a veteran believed they weredue to the vaccine.
But if I were, my own personalexperience at the VA is my VA
doctor tried to coerce me totake the shot right, and it was
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brutal coercion and it spent alot of time and it really
bothered me and you know,basically it ended up, even if I
was relatively young at thetime, in good condition and she
used my high body mass index tosay that I could die if I didn't
take the shot using anemotional appeal.
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I didn't take it, but you knowwhat went in my mind when that
happened to me is that a lot ofveterans under this kind of
pressure definitely would,because I had the benefit at the
time of being involved with,you know, Vets for Freedom and
in the vaccine.
I already knew what was going on, so, but I at that point in
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time I didn't know the level ofcoercion that was going on at
the VA Medical Center.
That shocked me and then.
So what I would say is, I wouldsay is, if a veteran was
believes they were harmed by oneof these shots they received at
a VA Medical Center, theyshould file an 1151 claim.
And even if they because it'seasy to do.
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All they think they've got to dois go to the eBenefits website
or go to their you know veteranservice organization and say,
hey, I need to file an 1151claim.
I think I got vaccine injured.
And it might get denied, butyou can always appeal it and
there is a system.
And I want to point somethingelse out, because I'll tell you
what I don't ever want to goback to the VA Medical Center
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after that right.
And I don't trust them anymore.
It harmed me.
I mean, you know I have my ownservice-connected conditions and
listen, you went into.
Veterans Affairs.
They didn't provide you properinformed consent.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
They manipulated you.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
They used some form of motivational interviewing and
you took one of theseinjections and now you're
finding out that it has, youknow, 400 times the allowable
amount of B and A contaminationright and there's a good
possibility that you could beexposed to something that could
cause serious cancer, autoimmuneand a myriad of other things
that could be for who knows?
How long?
All right.
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It's very reasonable that youmight have an anxiety condition
or a depressive issue followingthat incident, and I would say
that you could also claim thatunder 1151.
And they might not deny it, butat least you put it on record,
all right, and you made it knownthat the VA coerced you, right,
because you might go to IG andyou might not have a record of
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it there, which you should do.
You should do all those things,but if you put it on a claim,
it's there forever, they cannever delete it and you can
always appeal it, and so as moreevidence comes out, your claim
becomes stronger, right?
Just to point that out.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Brilliant, brilliant.
Thank you for that.
Actually, I really appreciatethat for our audience.
I hope our audience listens.
I hope they use it.
So, really, I don't have a lotof time, but this is insane.
This is absolute insanity.
Take a vaccine, but they wroteit out that they didn't need to
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cover the vaccine because theydidn't study if the vaccine
would harm them.
This is a rabbit hole.
This is a huge rabbit hole.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
I would call it a cover-up.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, cover-up, that's a better word.
That's a better word.
I hope you come on the showagain with us.
But I know that I talked to youa little bit before you came on
the show today and I told youmy idea.
But I typically end the showwith one question of if you
could say anything to veterans,what would you say?
But I'd like to ask you thatquestion and then after that I'd
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like you to close us in prayer,if you're okay with that.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
I think I'll just include what I would say to
veterans in my prayer, if I cango ahead and begin with that.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, that's okay and I just I'll let you before you
go to prayer.
I just thank the audience,everybody for listening.
We'll be back next week and mayGod protect and bless you all.
But all over to you, sergeantFleeman, thank you.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Thank you.
It's been an honor to be on theshow and I appreciate the
opportunity.
I'll go ahead and start in theprayer.
Thank you, heavenly Father.
In Jesus' mighty name, we thankyou for the Veterans Show, for
Laura and Jeff, who have builtthis platform to speak truth and
pursue justice.
Strengthen them as they upliftthe voices of veterans seeking
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change.
Lord we honor every veteran whohas served with courage.
Empower them to stand boldlyand claim the respect and care
they deserve.
Expose the corruption withinthe VA.
Tear down what is broken andraise up leaders of integrity to
bring justice and true reformrooted in liberty and
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independence.
Give us discernment to seetruth clearly and the courage to
reject confronting lives.
Help us stand firm and pursuelasting change.
May this platform shine as abeacon of truth and hope.
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We trust in your justice andplace all in your hands.
In Jesus' mighty name, we prayAmen, amen, thank you, thank you
.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Thank you.
Thank you, god bless you.
Thank you for your courage.
If not us, then who?
If not me and you?
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Right now, it's time for us todo something.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
It's time for us to do something.
If not now, then when Will wesee an end To all this pain?
Well, it's not enough to donothing.
It's time for us to dosomething.
It's time for us to dosomething.
There's men and women all around who fought and died
for your freedom, and it's realf***ed up how the government
treats them.
They just sit back and theywon't even feed them as they lay
on the ground feeling defeated.
Lord, they paid their dues andthey beat the enemy While
they're all alone fighting PTSD.
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Cause freedom ain't free, butin reality, you entitled
a**holes are handed everything.
We should all rise up and alljust agree that division ain't
the way that it's supposed to be.
Lord, it's a damn shame whatthe world's gotten to.
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We, the people like you, and we, the people like me, should
just wake up and realize it'strue, cause it is, oh it is
Living in a new world With anold soul.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Welcome everybody to the Veteran Show.
Thank you for listening.
I'm Jeff and I'm here with mywonderful, beautiful wife, laura
.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Today is 11 January 2025.
I want to thank WCVM andproducer Michelle for letting us
do this and everything we do.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yes, definitely.
Thank you, WCVM and producerMichelle man.
Oh man, we put you through thering ourselves, but we thank you
for everything.
And, baby, your radio voice isjust awesome.
Good job, baby.
We're getting better.
Huh, we're almost soundingprofessional, but we're not.
So don't get your hopes up.
I am Laura and you are listeningto the Veteran Show.
Typically, we open the showwith prayer.
(01:43):
You know what.
We're going to open this prayerand we're going to close it
with prayer tonight.
I think we're going to need it.
So, if you can, bow your headswith me, our Father, who art in
heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom, come.
Thy will be done on earth as itis in heaven.
(02:05):
Give us this day our dailybread.
Amen, thank you for joining us,for thine is the kingdom, the
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power and the glory forever andever.
Amen.
Thank you for joining us.
We appreciate it.
We first want you to know forthe purpose of the veteran show.
We're just two veterans whowant to help other veterans.
We want to prevent veteransuicide and we believe that one
of the ways to do that is justby having a conversation about
what's going on.
We believe that by talking Idon't know our shared
(02:48):
experiences will help oneanother.
If you're in a dark place rightnow, though, and you need to
reach out, we tell you don'tstay locked in your own head.
Just talk to somebody.
Talk to family, loved ones, butif you want a more professional
or just a, if you want a moreprofessional or just somebody
different, you can dial 988 andthen option 1, or you can text
(03:08):
838255.
You can also chat online bygoing to
wwwveteranscrisislinenet.
Those are some of the main ways,but some other ways you can
reach out is Heroes Bridge.
That's a charity we like towork with.
Heroes Bridge is awesome.
They have the National BattleBuddy Call-In Center.
(03:28):
What they do is they mainlyhelp veterans over the age of 65
, but they'll help any veteranand they'll help you with
anything.
So if you call 1-800-653-8387,if you're a veteran, just tell
them what you need and they'llhelp you out.
If you're a veteran, just tellthem what you need and they'll
help you out.
If you're looking for money,these aren't the charities for
you.
I'm just going to warn you.
They're just looking to reallyhelp.
So if you need yard work, ifyou need transportation,
(04:03):
whatever, but just call theHeroes Bridge, warfighter
Advance, and their number is202-239-7395.
Again, that's 202-239-7395.
Warfighter Advance is anawesome program and they do not
medicate you.
If you're dealing withhomelessness, you can contact
the Baltimore Station and theirnumber is 410-752-2254.
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Again, that's 410-752-2254 ifyou're dealing with homelessness
.
And then if you do haveproblems or issues with your
finances and you need help, youcan call Operation First
Response.
Their number is 888-289-0280.
Again, if you need help withfinances, their number for
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Operation First Response is888-289-0280.
But all of those charities arefor veterans.
They're all free to veteransand all they want to do is help.
So if you need help, definitelygive them a call.
My personal favorite, though, isGod and his son, jesus Christ.
That's what's helped me themost in my entire life.
I've been through the ringer ofa lot of things, and I've tried
(05:09):
everything, and I, like many ofyou out there, have popped a
whole bunch of pills hoping thatwould help, and it didn't.
And when I finally justrealized that God exists, his
son exists, and I said I have nocontrol, I need help, man, oh
man, he.
He stepped in, and I know hewill for you too.
So you know, if you, if you'vereached rock bottom and you've
got nowhere else to go, might Irecommend calling out to Jesus
(05:31):
Christ Cause I know he'll answerto you and I absolutely know
he'll answer now because I toldyou he would.
So I have faith that he answersBefore we get started on
everything tonight.
First let's start on a happynote.
There is a thing going onthat's super cool.
(05:51):
With all the other naturalthings going on right now, there
just so happens to be anotherone from I think it already
started the 10th From January10th to the end of February is a
thing called the Parade ofPlanets.
It's like with six differentplanets are going to be lined up
Super cool.
I know right now you probablycan't see it.
I think it's cloudy out, butfor like two months you're going
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to see all these planets linedup.
So if you want something to dowith your grandkids, might I
recommend you find anobservatory or find something,
and just even if you look it uponline with them or just talk to
them, it's pretty cool.
The next thing I want to makesure that I get out is when we
talk about people dealing withstuff and going through hard
times.
I know a lot of people outthere are sick right now.
(06:35):
I was telling some of my familythat actually basically
everybody I know has a loved oneor knows somebody that has
either been recently diagnosedwith cancer, is getting a biopsy
done or just found out thatthey don't have cancer.
But they were worried they hadto get it looked at.
(07:00):
So I reached out to a formalguest of ours and I'm trying to
find it now.
See, I wish I had it, but it'sColonel Tankersley and he
recommended a book and I want torecommend it to all of you.
If you are dealing with recentdiagnosis of cancer or anything
(07:21):
like that, you can find theCancer Care, repurposed
Metabolic Intervention, andthat's on.
I don't like Amazon, but that'swhat I would look for, so let
me look for it.
Okay, it is called Cancer Care,the Role of Repurposed Drugs
and the Metabolic Interventionsof Treating Cancer.
So if you have a loved one orif you yourself has been
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recently diagnosed with anything, dr Tankersley, colonel
Tankersley, we've had him on theshow that's the book that he
recommends.
So that's what I think you guysshould look at and I thank him
for helping me and tellingpeople about that.
So we do have a guest tonightPretty amazing guest and I've
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been thinking a lot about thisbabe.
We've had a few conversationsthis week as well that you know
when I come on the air I soundpretty angry and drill
sergeant-y and stuff like that,and I think a lot of people ask
what the purpose of the show isand I really don't know.
(08:24):
It started off with us justtrying to give out VA benefits
and it's quickly morphed intopulling back the curtain and
seeing what actually liesunderneath of the VA programs
and a veteran's lifestyle notjust mine, but everybody's and
it's been very eye-opening.
So I think that's what you, theaudience.
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You're on a journey with us tosee what it's really like and
what these acts and these rulesand these regulations and these
big VAs, what it all does.
It's quite a system and it'sbeen in place for a very, very
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long time and I think many of usare just very providing to us
and what it's not and where it'sstarting to fail.
We have a lot of veterans whoare not covered yet.
There's a lot of the Uzbekistanveterans who still need
(09:41):
coverage.
I know Vietnam veterans, koreanWar veterans and everything.
But this week I ran across quitea few articles, but one of them
is while the VA says they don'thave money and while everybody
says they don't have money andremember, the VA is being kind
of run by the same governmentwho has run our Social Security
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into the ground, so just keepthat in mind.
The same people in charge ofSocial Security and all that
money are the same people whohave been doing this.
But the Pentagon reached asettlement with more than 35,000
gay and lesbian ex-servicemembers and what I understand
this is going to do is that theyare taking resources.
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There was a lawsuit going onand the Pentagon, before a
decision was made in the lawsuit, it settled and it agreed to
revise 35,000 members records.
That's the way I read this.
So it's going to go back andreissue DD Form 214s because of
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the separation codes.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Just automatically.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, yeah.
Without a court order, theyjust settled and that's what
they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Without the service members actually going back and
having to request this.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I believe.
So I'm not 100% sure on that,but from from from what I, I
mean it might be a class action,but they are using resources to
go back and change dd form 214sof 35 000 x service members.
That's what they're using theirmoney on.
How much, how much money do youthink that takes baby to go
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back into 35,000 records?
How much time?
How many resources, likepersonnel, I don't know Massive
yeah.
That's a big distraction witheverything that's going on in
the Pentagon.
I wonder if the Pentagon hasdone some research about how
their ships are built with thesteel the bad steel that they
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were given many, many decadesago.
I don't know, maybe they couldresearch that.
But as I was skimming througharticles, I came through two
articles on the Gateway Punditand it's just so stark.
So I see one article that waswritten by Just the News
Pentagon reaches settlement withmore than 35,000 gay and
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lesbian ex-servicemen to revisetheir records.
Yet then I see another in theGateway Pundit, two articles,
and this says the clock isticking for the Department of
Veterans Affairs to rein inburgeoning liabilities.
And it's a part one and parttwo article in burgeoning
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liabilities.
And it's a part one and parttwo article.
So I don't know.
I mean this is crazy, babe rightyeah, it is so we can correct
dd form 214s, but the departmentof veteran affairs as it stands
right now and we will get intothis in a second more with our
guests as it stands right now,the Department of Veterans
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Affairs, in my personal opinion,is unsustainable, and we are
going to discuss that and it'sgoing to impact every single
veteran and active duty member.
We have to take a break.
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
One day there'll be no more waiting left for our
souls.
One day there'll be no morechildren longing for home.
One day, when the kingdom comesright here where we stand, we
will see the promised land fromthis thing.
One day, there'll be no morelives taken too soon.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
One day there'll be no more.
Welcome back, everybody, andthank you for listening to the
Veterans Show.
If you're in crisis, pleasepick up the phone, dial 988,
press Option 1, or text 838-255.
Just remember, you're neveralone.
Somebody always wants to hearyour voice.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We do.
We absolutely do.
Always reach out, always askfor help, always get out of your
own head, and I know thismoment will pass.
I know it's a moment, a briefmoment of darkness, but you've
been through them before, I havetoo and you and I together will
get through this and we'll getto the light at the end of the
tunnel.
So hang in there, reach out forhelp and tell people that you
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need it.
Tonight.
I am honored to introduce allof you to my new best friend.
It's a pretty amazing guy andI'm just learning about him, but
man, oh man, the courage thathe has shown, because it's going
to change every veteran's life.
I am honored to introduce youto former Army Staff Sergeant
(14:34):
Sonny Fleeman.
He is a federal whistleblowerand he is also a signatory of
the Declaration of MilitaryAccountability, attorney of the
Declaration of MilitaryAccountability, and he's going
to help, I pray, explain to allof you why I sound so angry.
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All of the time.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
So, sergeant Fleeman, thank you so much for joining
us.
Can you hear me okay?
Yeah, I can hear you okay, andthank you for having me on,
laura.
It's an honor and a privilegeand I appreciate the opportunity
.
There's a lot to unpack, butbefore I unpack it, I've got to
disclose and it's very importantfor everybody to understand
that the views and opinions thatI express here today in this
podcast are my own.
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They don't reflect the views ofthe Department of Veterans
Affairs, the US government, themilitary, any organization or
employer.
They're my own views.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Thank you for that.
Thank you, sergeant Fleeman, Ireally appreciate that.
Before the break I told theaudience that I came across two
articles this week in theGateway Pundit and you were
referenced in those articles.
So I would appreciate if youcould first tell the audience a
little bit about you, yourmilitary career, and then tell
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the audience what you weretelling us in those articles.
Well, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I'm just a combat veteran staff sergeant, former
infantry.
Nothing really special about me.
I've worked since the COVID-19mandate started in the federal
government.
I was in the medical freedommovement working with multiple
organizations notably like Fedsfor Freedom most prolifically
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and like working with their FOIAteams and other things like
that.
And this data, the GatewayPundit article that you're
referring to, regarding theliability of the.
VA was actually incidental andwhat occurred was I had
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requested, and it took me, Ithink, well over a year, almost
two years, to secure this datafrom the VA.
It's the last 20 years of VAclaims data associating all the
diagnostic codes and the levelof disability breach diagnostic
code and other data that can beused to analyze.
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What I was thinking was is Icould take this data and share
it with some experts and try tosee how the COVID-19 gene
therapy that they call a vaccinemandate was impacting service
members.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
And then how that could show up in the claims data
.
I thought maybe the claims datacould reveal some interesting
things.
Okay, and after I requestedthat, I finally got it and I
sent it to Steve Kirsch whopublished it on a sub-stack.
He had some interestingfindings.
He would look it up.
You know, conditions are uplike crazy Cancers,
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cardiomyopathy, 5x,post-vaccination, interesting
right.
But of course you know,correlation doesn't mean equal
causation, so that's justanother data point, especially
with the PACT Act occurring veryshortly after they injected the
entire military with a toxicsubstance.
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But I'm going to go back to theGateway Pundit article
discussing the unsustainableliabilities.
That's been a lot of contentionand I've gotten mixed messages
back several articles out onthat.
But the way it occurred is.
We started looking into thatdata a little deeper after we
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shared it with Steve Kirsten,because I noticed some anomalies
, and so I just started playingwith it, and the only thing I
did is I said, well, I have allthe last 20 years' data, I have
all the numbers for all thediagnostic codes how many
veterans are diagnosed and atwhat percentage for the last 20
years and so the only thing Icould do is I could just take
the VA rating schedule and youknow the base rate for every
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year and you know apply that andthen run some basic projections
.
you know, and you know, I founda lot of problems more than.
I can speak about here, allright, but you know, most
notably, I mean, I noticed thatPTSD was a really good example.
Okay, example okay, and you know, one of the findings was I said
you know, and it's a veryconservative estimate that you
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know the liabilities for PTSD,given the average lifespan of
veterans being 20 years and theaverage rating of 70% for PTSD,
which are both accurateestimates and at a base rate
considering a single veteranwith no dependents.
Right would be you know, atrillion dollars, conservatively
, the liability, just for onediagnostic code.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Okay, Say a little bit about that diagnostic code.
What are you talking about?
Is that that's attached to?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
That would be the diagnostic code for PTSD.
That means that just for PTSDalone, you know, in the near
future the liability for onediagnostic code for
service-connected veterans atthe VA will exceed a trillion
dollars, based on my estimates.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
So you're saying that there's way too many of us who
have been rated for PTSD?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I don't say too many, I'll just say what I would
point to is that would be anunsustainable.
When you add that up with therest of the rating schedule and
you look at the situation as itis.
It's an unsustainable number,all right, I mean there's no
compensation in the world thatcan handle that.
And, as you can see, right now,currently, at the present, the
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VA is already running short ontheir budget.
And what do they say when theyrun short on their budget?
They say, oh no, we won't beable to pay the veterans.
We now need to run to Congress.
And that upsets me because thatshould never be something that
can ever be said.
We are not going to fulfill ourobligations.
It shouldn't even be possible.
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But what people need to know isread between the lines.
When they start saying we can'tfulfill it, that means that is
possible.
It is possible.
And when we have, with thesekind of numbers, 1.4 million
veterans service connected forPTSD at an average 70% rate,
there's a lot of peopledependent on that money.
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And you know that's just thereality.
And so when the VA startstalking about we might not be
able to pay that and we look atthe dramatic increase, it's
something we have to address.
And I know it's an unpopularthing to post, but it's my
responsibility when I cameacross it to post it and you
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know the data's out there.
Just go to Steve Kirsch's substack.
That's what I gave to him.
You might learn a few thingsabout COVID-19 injections and
you can get the data yourselfand run your own analysis.
But just a little bit more of abackground on why, hey, why was
I looking into the?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
COVID-19 vaccine.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Well, that has to do with the PAC-DAC and it's very
important that everybodyunderstands there is a I want to
talk about the PAC-DAC.
I'm sure everybody's familiarwith what that is and if not,
just look it up because I wantto go to one specific provision
of the PAC-DAC.
All right, and it's calledToxic Exposure Risk Act could be
.
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And what this provision does isthe VA if they can't service
connect the condition that aveteran claims on a direct basis
means directly connected toservice all right, or on a
presumptive basis, meaning likeAgent Orange or contaminated
water in Camp Lejeune you knowall those disabilities that are
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presumptive if you have aqualifying service, like if you
were served in Vietnam or any ofthe presumptive locations or
were exposed to contaminatedwater in Camp Lejeune right.
What that means is is thatbefore the VA can, deny anything
they have to evaluate to see ifthat particular claim could
possibly be related to anon-presumptive condition based
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on a toxic exposure riskactivity.
Okay, and in layman's terms,and just to make it very simple
and leave all the regulationsout of it, so the audience just
understands the way the VAinterprets what the Toxic
Disposure Risk Act can be is,very simply, is it consistent
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with the facts and circumstancesof service?
All right, I wrote myself alittle note just to kind of help
everybody understand what'sgoing on here.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Because, before I move on to this note, let me
read for the facts andcircumstances right, it means
you know there's an occupationalexposure and you were exposed
to jet fuel, and you were.
You know diesel fuel or solvent, and you were you know a pilot
or a mechanic or infantry.
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You know, as long as you claiman exposure that's consistent
with the facts and circumstancesof your service, the VA is,
under this provision, requiredto concede exposure.
And what that means for theveteran, okay is.
That means now we have an eventin service, so you might not
have a, the veteran might nothave a disability or an injury
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shown in service, but now the VAis taking that toxic exposure
right and that's your event inservice.
And now they have to do amedical opinion, right?
So if a veteran has unexplainedcancer, that's not presumptive
right and they say, oh mygoodness, that veteran, you know
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, served, you know, as amechanic and was exposed to all
these different solvents and jetfuels and all these different
chemicals.
Well then, before we can denythat there might not be nothing,
before the VA can deny thatthere might not be anything in
the service treatment records,right, there might not be
anything in service at all thatindicates that and it's not a
presumptive condition it mightbe a type of cancer that's not
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associated with their Gulf Warservice or their exposure to
Agent.
Orange, but because that veteranhas a toxic exposure.
That's consistent with the factthat they're being taken to
service related to their MOS theVA is going to have to go ahead
and get a medical opinion onthat.
Now.
this is very important becauseyou have to understand that the
VA is a non-adversarial systemand that means, when the
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evidence is equal, it's in theveteran's favor, right and so
believe it or not after thatmedical examiner looks at that
file, looks at that record thatveteran's got, you know, a good
chance of gettingservice-connected because it
doesn't have to be, 100% proven.
It just needs to be at least aslikely as not, and as long as
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the evidence is equal, thatmedical opinion will fall in the
veteran's favor right.
And so getting that examination, having that event in service
is a big deal.
It changes the way the veteranschange claims.
Now this is very importantbecause I want you to everybody
understand this could beconsidered the most liberal
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provision that the VA has everput out Okay, Okay, it's the
most generous provision ever.
Okay, and it says hey you knowin layman's terms if you have
any kind of exposure that'sconsistent with the facts and
circumstances of to the publicthat the VA uses to process PACT
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Act-related claims andterror-related claims.
There's a little caveat, beyondthe, so you know, determining
what the circumstances are ofthe Veterans Service.
That's consistent with theterror, with the toxic exposure
risk activity.
And it says, recognizeparticipation in the terror.
If it's consistent with theplaces, types and circumstances
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of the veteran's service,consistent with 38 CFR, 303a,
all right, and that basically,is just facts and circumstances
of service, liberalinterpretation.
We're going to go in favor ofthe veteran, but listen to this
little caveat they put in Right,the VA is going to go in favor
of the veteran.
But listen to this littlecaveat they put in right.
Now keep in mind, this isdirectly after they injected,
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mandated the injection of theentire military with the
COVID-19 shot right.
Important Vaccines andmedications in general are not
considered participation in thetoxic exposure risk activity,
because there is no scientificand medical evidence that
supports the conclusions thatvaccines and medications
administered to serviceconnection members have resulted
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in long-term adverse healtheffects.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
So did they write themselves a loophole there.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Well, I would call it more than that Because the way
I like.
So, the VA is deliberatelyexcluding the COVID-19 injection
, a toxic experimental genetherapy deceptively relabeled as
a vaccine, from the same factsand circumstances standards that
they apply to every other toxicexposure.
Yeah, because they saylong-term.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Long-term.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Exploiting bias and veterans who spent any amount of
time in the airspace, let's sayover south of the theater,
southwest Asia Theater ofOperations.
let's say you spent five minutesthere right are automatically
conceded for having participatedin a toxic exposure risk
activity, yet a toxic substancethat was directly injected into
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their body isn't simply becauseit's labeled as a vaccine.
That's absurd.
It's not about science orsafety for the VA, it's about
protecting the vaccine'sreputation instead of protecting
veterans.
That's not just inconsistent,it's unethical, it's dangerous,
all right, and it's a completebetrayal of the VA's duties to
those you serve.
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And let me just explain what'sgoing on here.
So they've got that.
So here's the effect of that.
Though, now, all these veteransthat may be injected by this,
you have this extremely liberalprovision, so a lot of the
injuries that may be associatedwith these toxic ingestions and
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just so we can clarify.
Your audience may be familiarwith the recent news in the
peer-reviewed journal that cameout regarding the DNA
contamination.
Right, but that's just onetoxic mechanism, the spike
protein.
In and of itself, the inventorof the technology, robert Malone
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, I believe he even testified infront of Congress regarding its
toxicity right and the lipidnanoparticle is known to be
toxic.
This is a and the adverseevents are a matter of record.
I mean it's a toxic exposurerisk activity.
It is the definition of one.
I mean it's a toxic exposurerisk activity.
It is the definition of one.
So what you have here is the VApicking and choosing what they
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want to do and they just, youknow, they're like, oh well.
And the effect of that is,guess what it is.
It covers up the effect of themandated shot, and let me expand
even further on how nefariousthis is.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
And I will let you expand.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Hold on, is it okay?
Can I go on with?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
that Just a second.
We're going to have to take abreak.
Sorry, that's.
A cruddy thing about radio isthat we've got to take these
breaks.
But we're going to take a break.
We will be right back.
Everybody, hang on.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
These days, my heart's always on the run.
These days, the world'sspinning out of control.
These days are fast and they'refurious.
Feels like the worst is aheadof us.
Oh, oh oh.
Sometimes it's hard to feel athome, but I believe that you and
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I are in the right place At theright time.
God called us by name and hedoesn't make mistakes.
I know we were born to shinebright.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Welcome back, everybody and thank you for
listening to the Veteran Show.
If you're in crisis, pleasepick up the phone, dial 988,
press Option 1, or text 838255.
Just remember you're neveralone.
There's always somebody outthere who wants to hear your
voice.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
There, absolutely is.
There really is.
Thank you for giving that out,babe.
On the phone we still have ArmyStaff Sergeant Sonny Fleeman
who is talking to us.
He is a federal whistleblowerand a signatory of the
Declaration of MilitaryAccountability we were just
talking about.
So from what I understand Imight be getting this wrong the
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veterans or active duty weregiven the vaccine shot and then
the PACT Act came out.
But in the PACT Act, in thelegislation, it specifically
says in there that the vaccinesare exempt.
But what's interesting aboutthat is they're saying studies,
that all the studies show thatthere's no adverse reactions,
but that they didn't wait forthe studies.
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So how can they exemptsomething they didn't wait for
the studies for?
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Do I understand?
Well, I don't want to spend toomuch time on that topic.
Okay, it's a lot For one.
It's just the evidence theywant to look at.
And another thing is they'retaking think about it like this
you know, you go back to thehistory of anthrax and there's a
problem there.
And there's a problem there andthere's a lot of suspects at
Gulf War Syndrome and thoseeffects.
They may be associated withthat.
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But that's up for debate.
But the point is, what they'redoing here is just like you said
they don't know anything aboutit.
It's toxic, right, but they'retrying to make the excuse that
there's no evidence.
They're not mentioning the factthat it's an entirely novel
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technology, right, and you knowso.
It was never.
It was a gene therapy.
Before they decided to label it, the CDC decided to change the
definition and label themvaccines, right, and so like
they're just lumping it in thereand you know doing it, but
you're not.
the point is is that they're notapplying the same standard to
the toxins.
Basically, what they're sayingis facts and circumstances don't
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apply to our vaccine, but theydo to everything else.
And that's very convenientbecause the VA was the first to
mandate the shot.
And let me roll into the vaccineadvocacy bias that is inherent
in the Department of VeteransAffairs and the extent okay,
medical centers using acounseling technique, which in
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this context, is a manipulationtechnique in violation of
informed consent.
But they decided that they weregoing to apply a counseling
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technique called motivationalinterviewing, right to increase
their vaccine uptake for theCOVID-19 shot, right.
And so what they did was theyused motivational interviewing
in a study right and to see whatthis effect was, and they did
it in a live study.
So they used motivationalinterviewing techniques to the
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veterans that came into these VAmedical centers right, and the
ones that got injected with theshots.
What they did is when theywanted to find out if their
manipulation worked, then theygave them consent and they got a
consent board and said, willyou participate in the study?
But they never told theseveterans that they were being
experimented on and did it formotivational interviewing to
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increase vaccine uptake, right.
So it was a massive violationof informed consent.
They don't respect the veteransinformed consent they
experimented on them withouttheir consent.
Then they only consented in themanipulation work um and, and.
That just shows you how far theva is willing to go um with
these shots and I can't do it Ihave in my.
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I've got a lot of lawyers in mypossession but you you might
find that some things were saidin internal videos to these
veterans, even in their owntraining videos that are proven
to be false.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Um so you know, but that's, that's uh.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Um, you know, got to get those through foyer, get
those out there there.
But just to summarize it, theyuse motivational interviewing to
convince veterans to take theshot right.
Motivational interviewing issupposed to be a counseling
technique, that is, I'm not aclinical psychologist so I might
destroy this, but it's designedto help people make their own
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decisions right.
But when you use it in thecontext of trying to increase a
vaccination, you're abusing itand now it becomes a
manipulation technique.
And when you do something that'soutside of standard care, which
is the general informed consentright and just, instead of
motivational interviewing and anexperimental technique, when
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you're experimenting on veterans, you should tell them before,
especially if you're trying toconvince them to take an
experimental gene therapy.
Right, right.
But, that's not what they did.
No, they consented them afterthe fact.
And so there's something else.
And oh, by the way, just tobring it out there, I did
another FOIA that came inthrough a whistleblower inside
the VA that wanted to remainanonymous and just gave me the
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point that, hey, we want you tolook at a certain database and
tell me how many veterans justlook at this point how many
veterans were hospitalizedwithin six months of taking one
of these COVID-19 vaccines I gotmy.
FOIA back.
It was like almost I don't havethe exact number, but it was
like almost 400,000.
Right, I mean.
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And so you know, you've got thedata from Steve Kirsch, you've
got everything that's coming out, you've got the DNA
contamination.
You've got the inventor of thistechnology telling you it's
toxic, all right, and then let'slook at the conflict of
interest.
So you want to listen?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
to the government.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Let me tell you something, all right.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
There is nothing more profitable, no better business
model than a vaccination and apandemic.
There is not a better businessmodel in existence.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
All right.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
And on top of that right, this mRNA technology is
one of the cheapestmanufacturing systems out there
for vaccination is one of thecheapest manufacturing systems
out there for a vaccination andit's easily adaptable to
multiple different kinds ofpathogens.
Right, it's the perfectbusiness model.
So when you understand that,all of this becomes very clear.
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The motivations become veryclear.
Why everything was done becomesvery clear, because it's follow
the money, follow the money.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Right.
Right and you know, I'll restmy case there.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Any other questions?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
So let me make sure I understand this at the simplest
of levels, because I'm not avery smart man, jenny.
But the military usedtechniques to help motivate and
convince people to take avaccine that they might not have
taken had they just been giventhe option and not used
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motivational techniques.
But motivational techniqueswere used on them and either
they made a decision to beinjected or not be injected.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
This is the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
The Department of Veterans Affairs.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
And that's on veterans that got injected at VA
medical centers.
Okay, and just for context, theDepartment of Veterans Affairs
injected approximately 5 millionveterans.
Oh, by the way, let me pointthis out as well, a lot of
veterans don't know this, butthere is a law.
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It's called Title 38, usc 1151.
Okay, an 1151 claim is when youget harmed by VA care.
You can do an 1151 claim, oneclaim and if that claim is
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granted if that claim is grantedum, then whatever injury you
receive would be as if serviceconnected right um and a lot of.
They don't tell veterans whenyou go in to get a covid 19 shot
if you have a um an adversereaction, okay, okay, and a
residual disability?
Right then you would be, youknow you could claim that right
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and I always like to point outthat you know the VA has got
they were the first ones tomandate the vaccines on their
own employees before thepresident did, before the
military did, and so they havean extreme.
especially this administrationand the VA in general and the
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leadership that's currentlythere have an extreme conflict
of interest because they madetheir own employees take the
injection.
They mandated them Before thepresident.
President Biden did, before themilitary did.
It was the current VA secretarywho was the first to mandate
these shots.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
And so you can imagine the conflict of interest
there in admitting they'retoxic, right.
Just to make that clear, but1151 claims are interesting.
And the reason why people needto know about them.
There's a benefit.
They have no statute oflimitations, so you're not
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likely.
I mean I would say that it'sgoing to be very difficult to
prove and very difficult to winan 1151 claim for an injury that
a veteran believed they weredue to the vaccine.
But if I were, my own personalexperience at the VA is my VA
doctor tried to coerce me totake the shot right, and it was
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brutal coercion and it spent alot of time and it really
bothered me and you know,basically it ended up, even if I
was relatively young at thetime, in good condition and she
used my high body mass index tosay that I could die if I didn't
take the shot using anemotional appeal.
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I didn't take it, but you knowwhat went in my mind when that
happened to me is that a lot ofveterans under this kind of
pressure definitely would,because I had the benefit at the
time of being involved with,you know, Vets for Freedom and
in the vaccine.
I already knew what was going on, so, but I at that point in
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time I didn't know the level ofcoercion that was going on at
the VA Medical Center.
That shocked me and then.
So what I would say is, I wouldsay is, if a veteran was
believes they were harmed by oneof these shots they received at
a VA Medical Center, theyshould file an 1151 claim.
And even if they because it'seasy to do.
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All they think they've got to dois go to the eBenefits website
or go to their you know veteranservice organization and say,
hey, I need to file an 1151claim.
I think I got vaccine injured.
And it might get denied, butyou can always appeal it and
there is a system.
And I want to point somethingelse out, because I'll tell you
what I don't ever want to goback to the VA Medical Center
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after that right.
And I don't trust them anymore.
It harmed me.
I mean, you know I have my ownservice-connected conditions and
listen, you went into.
Veterans Affairs.
They didn't provide you properinformed consent.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
They manipulated you.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
They used some form of motivational interviewing and
you took one of theseinjections and now you're
finding out that it has, youknow, 400 times the allowable
amount of B and A contaminationright and there's a good
possibility that you could beexposed to something that could
cause serious cancer, autoimmuneand a myriad of other things
that could be for who knows?
How long?
All right.
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It's very reasonable that youmight have an anxiety condition
or a depressive issue followingthat incident, and I would say
that you could also claim thatunder 1151.
And they might not deny it, butat least you put it on record,
all right, and you made it knownthat the VA coerced you, right,
because you might go to IG andyou might not have a record of
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it there, which you should do.
You should do all those things,but if you put it on a claim,
it's there forever, they cannever delete it and you can
always appeal it, and so as moreevidence comes out, your claim
becomes stronger, right?
Just to point that out.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Brilliant, brilliant.
Thank you for that.
Actually, I really appreciatethat for our audience.
I hope our audience listens.
I hope they use it.
So, really, I don't have a lotof time, but this is insane.
This is absolute insanity.
Take a vaccine, but they wroteit out that they didn't need to
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cover the vaccine because theydidn't study if the vaccine
would harm them.
This is a rabbit hole.
This is a huge rabbit hole.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
I would call it a cover-up.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, cover-up, that's a better word.
That's a better word.
I hope you come on the showagain with us.
But I know that I talked to youa little bit before you came on
the show today and I told youmy idea.
But I typically end the showwith one question of if you
could say anything to veterans,what would you say?
But I'd like to ask you thatquestion and then after that I'd
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like you to close us in prayer,if you're okay with that.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
I think I'll just include what I would say to
veterans in my prayer, if I cango ahead and begin with that.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, that's okay and I just I'll let you before you
go to prayer.
I just thank the audience,everybody for listening.
We'll be back next week and mayGod protect and bless you all.
But all over to you, sergeantFleeman, thank you.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
Thank you.
It's been an honor to be on theshow and I appreciate the
opportunity.
I'll go ahead and start in theprayer.
Thank you, heavenly Father.
In Jesus' mighty name, we thankyou for the Veterans Show, for
Laura and Jeff, who have builtthis platform to speak truth and
pursue justice.
Strengthen them as they upliftthe voices of veterans seeking
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change.
Lord we honor every veteran whohas served with courage.
Empower them to stand boldlyand claim the respect and care
they deserve.
Expose the corruption withinthe VA.
Tear down what is broken andraise up leaders of integrity to
bring justice and true reformrooted in liberty and
(45:42):
independence.
Give us discernment to seetruth clearly and the courage to
reject confronting lives.
Help us stand firm and pursuelasting change.
May this platform shine as abeacon of truth and hope.
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We trust in your justice andplace all in your hands.
In Jesus' mighty name, we prayAmen, amen, thank you, thank you
.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Thank you.
Thank you, god bless you.
Thank you for your courage.
If not us, then who?
If not me and you?
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Right now, it's time for us todo something.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
It's time for us to do something.
If not now, then when Will wesee an end To all this pain?
Well, it's not enough to donothing.
It's time for us to dosomething.
It's time for us to dosomething.
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