January 18, 2025 • 49 mins
In this episode Geoff and Laura welcome former Army CPT Seth Keshel to hear of his compelling journey from military service to becoming an advocate for election integrity. His detailed analysis and personal experiences shed light on the complexities of election fraud, offering listeners a fresh perspective on this divisive issue. His story not only highlights the importance of vigilant democracy but also underscores the potential veterans have to drive societal change.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's men and women all around who fought and died
for your freedom and it's realfucked up how the government
treats them.
They just sit back and theywon't even feed them.
They lay on the ground feelingdefeated.
Lord, they paid their dues andthey beat the enemy while
they're all alone fighting PTSD.
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Because freedom ain't free butreality, you entitled holes, are
handed everything.
We should all rise up and alljust agree the division ain't
the way that it's supposed to belord.
It's a damn shame what theworld's gotten to.
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We, the people like you, and we, the people like me, should
just wake up and realize it'strue, cause it is oh, it is
Living in a new world With anold soul.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Welcome and thank you for listening to the Veteran
Show.
I'm Jeff and I'm here with mybeautiful, wonderful wife, laura
.
Hello, we want to thank WCBMfor the opportunity to sit
behind this microphone andproducer Michelle for everything
that she's doing for this show.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
We do, and WCBM, michelle, everybody and, most
importantly, the listeners youtaking the time to listen to the
show.
We truly thank you.
Without you we wouldn't be here, and so we thank you for taking
the time out of your Saturdayevening.
You could be anywhere else, buthere you are, and we thank you.
We open each show with a prayer.
(01:43):
That's just what veterans do.
Every single ceremony we havein the military opens with a
prayer, so we are continuingthat tradition into this show.
So if you could, please bowyour heads with me.
Our Father who art in heaven,hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth as itis in heaven.
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Give us this day our dailybread and forgive us our
trespasses, as we forgive thosewho trespass against us, and
lead us not into temptation, butdeliver us from evil, for Thine
is the kingdom, the power andthe glory, forever and ever.
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Amen.
We do.
Thank you for joining us andthank you for praying with us as
well.
We are just two veterans thatare trying to help other
veterans, and we believe thatone of the greatest ways that we
can help each other is just byhaving a conversation, and
that's what we're trying to do.
We just talk with otherveterans and hear what they have
to say, hear what they've beenthrough.
(02:49):
Tonight's guest is a phenomenalguest and I'm very excited to
have him on the show.
We've been working for a whilebut before we get to him we
always like to make sure we giveyou guys some information in
case you're in a difficultmoment in life.
We understand a lot of peopleare dealing with a lot of
different things right now, andso we want to make sure that you
can get help if you're aveteran and even if you're not,
(03:12):
please reach out for help nomatter what, but for veterans,
if you are in a dark place rightnow, if you're dealing with a
lot and you need somebody totalk to, we ask that you dial
988 and then option one.
You can also text 838255, oryou can chat online and you can
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go to wwwveteranscrisislinenet.
That's wwwveteranscrisislinenet, wwwveteranscrisislinenet.
But there's so many ways toreach out, so just make sure
that if you know you've got toget out of your own head, you've
got to tell other people whatyou're thinking.
(03:53):
Sometimes saying it out loudjust really helps.
So call dial 988, then theoption 1, or you can text the
838255, or you can go online.
There's also some other ways ifyou're needing help.
We work with a charity.
We love them.
They're Heroes Bridge.
They have the National BattleBuddy Call-In Center.
Heroes Bridge typically helpsveterans who are 65 and older,
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but they do have the call-incenter and they help veterans
nationwide of every age.
If you need help, just callthis number and they will help
you.
So it's 1-800-653-8387.
Again, that's the Heroes BridgeNational Battle Buddy Call-In
Center for Veterans and you cancall 1-800-653-8387.
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If you need help with gettingyard work done, if you need help
with anything, call them andthey'll be able to help you.
There's also Warfighter Advance.
They deal with veterans andtheir post-traumatic stress.
Their number is 202-239-7395.
Again, that's 202-239-7395.
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Warfighter Advance has one ofthe best programs that I've ever
seen to help withpost-traumatic stress and our
friends.
We have so many people who havebeen through it and know other
people who are going to gothrough it.
It's such a successful program.
So if you have tried everythingto deal with post-traumatic
stress, I cannot recommendWarfighter Advance enough.
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Dr Vieten is an amazing woman,amazing program.
If you're dealing withhomelessness, if you're a
veteran, there's the BaltimoreStation.
You can call them at410-752-2254.
Again, that's 410-752-2254.
It's a year-long program.
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It's for men and they teachthem all sorts of things coping
how to deal with finances.
They help with VA claims,everything.
So if you have somebody who'shomeless, tell them to contact
the Baltimore Station.
If you are a veteran and youhave some financial issues, you
can contact Operation FirstResponse.
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Their number is 888-289-8280.
Again, that's 888-289-8280.
Operation First Response.
Amazing story.
Her name is Peggy, who runs it.
We had her on the show about ayear and a half ago or so.
(06:22):
Beautiful woman, beautifullover of Christ, and she just
amazing things that she's donefor veterans.
So if you're dealing withfinances, call 888-289-0280.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, sorry you missed that.
You said 82 both times.
Just wanted to make sure youcorrected that.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm sorry, 888-289-8280.
That's Operation First Responseif you need help with financial
.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You did it again.
It's 0280.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, so we'll finishdoing this, but the other things
that you can do if you'redealing with substance abuse is
you can go to AA, you can go towwwaaorg, or there's another one
that you might be interested.
It's Celebrate Recovery.
That's more of a faith-basedand I've heard phenomenal things
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about that.
But AA or Celebrate Recoveryabsolutely reach out to if
you're dealing with substanceabuse issues.
So you can also go towwwcelebraterecoverycom, but my
personal favorite.
I feel that has worked the best.
And even if you use all ofthose programs if you need them,
but I still recommend God andhis son, jesus Christ.
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I have, I've been on all themeds, I've been to all the
doctors, I've done everything.
Veterans we just, you know weget in the cycle with the VA and
it's I don't know.
It seems like you're nevergoing to get off of it.
But with God, and when he cameinto my life, he really did
amazing things and just he hasgiven me so much strength and
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peace.
Life isn't perfect, but he getsyou through it.
I mean, he designed it, youknow what.
Just to talk about that.
Since we have a second, I justwant people to think real quick.
Some of our audience is oldergeneration and I grew up you
know a lot of my uncles and mygrandfathers that I remember
they had train sets in theirbasements, beautiful, intricate
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train sets.
I mean huge layouts and fields.
You know I just it was we.
We've even seen one of myuncles recently.
I mean you put a lot of timeand love into these miniature
creation of landscapes andtrains and little houses, little
people, cars, and I look at allof that and it makes me think
none of that happensspontaneously.
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None of that just poof.
Somebody had to get all of thematerials needed and then they
had to figure out how to usethose materials to create this
beautiful landscape thatreplicates what we see day in
and day out.
Now, if somebody had to do thatjust to create a train set,
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then look around.
How can we not say that thiswas created?
And for me that's helped a lotbecause it means that somebody
created it with love, just likesomebody creates the train sets.
So that's why I suggest that youreach out.
But you're never alone, ever,ever.
We've been in hard places anddark places and I promise you
you're going to get through yourdifficult time and you're going
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to see the light at the end ofthe tunnel and you'll be better
for it and new, beautiful thingswill open up.
So just hang in there, onebreath at a time, one moment at
a time, and you will get throughit I know you will and you'll
be all the better for it.
It's been kind of a crazy week,babe.
Lots of stuff going on can'treally pinpoint um a whole bunch
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of different little issues, butthe main one is we have a I
don't know if you can't reallycall him a commander-in-chief.
We have um the shadowcommander-in-chief exiting and
then we have in, hopefully peaceand coming in.
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I have said that this to other friends of mine this
is the time for popcorn.
We've done everything thatwe've done we can do, and now
it's just time to sit around andwatch.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It is, but we have to .
I think we I agree with that,but we definitely have to make
sure the flow of information,the amount of news out there.
It's just unleashed and it'sgoing to get more, and so people
need to stay in tune as towhat's going on.
But there's going to be lots ofinvestigations, there's going
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to be lots of reports.
There's going to be lots ofreports.
There's going to be lots ofeverything, and so people are
going to need to be extravigilant to cipher through the
crazy and the lies to find thetruth, and I asked them to do
that.
I ask all of our audience to dothat.
You know, and us as well.
You and I, we do it every day,but you're the force multipliers
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.
When you find out the truth, itis your responsibility to tell
your family, to tell your lovedones, to tell your neighbors.
Get it out there.
That's the only way that it'sgoing to happen.
When you're sitting around thetable or anything, you have to
get the information out or atleast start the conversation,
because that's what we reallyneed.
We need people to start talkingabout the things that have been
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happening in this country andacross the world, and if we
don't have an open conversationabout everything that's about to
come to light, we could findourselves in the same exact
position, right?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yes, but I would also caution you to give it, don't
react initially to a story.
Give it about 72 to 96 hours,because that's when you'll get a
lot more of the story.
If you get within the 24 to 48hours, you're going to get this
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insolationalization, theheadlines, and it's not always
going to be correct If youusually wait.
Wait that 72 to 96 hour markand then a lot more will come to
light usually.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That is true, and it's a safe move to do that for
sure.
Thankfully we're once a week,so we get an entire week to keep
our traps shut, except onsocial media.
But we do thank everybody forlistening and tuning in with us.
But on that note, we cameacross with this show.
I often let people speak for usbecause they usually say things
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better.
Usually say things better.
So recently um wendy bell, whoI guess is a reporter on newsmax
, had a farewell.
I don't know if it's a speech,necessarily.
What would you call it fair,just a farewell.
Since everybody else in theadministration is doing a
farewell address, I would sayit's her retort to joe biden's
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goodbye speech.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh okay, that's a goodort to Joe Biden's goodbye
speech.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Oh, ok, that's a good way to say it.
Big words, thank you, babe.
Big words, that's like fine.
Anywho, outside of Laura'sthesaurus, we are going to play
Miss Wendy Bell's retort fromNewsmax to Joe Biden, and then
we'll go straight to break.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
And then after break we'll come in and we'll have our
guests.
Can't speak, can't walk, solet's just drop the gloves and
be real for a moment.
Ok, I find you disgraceful.
You are a corrupt, lying,farcical shell of a human being.
You sold out our nationalsecurity to enrich yourself and
your family.
Your son is a tragic disgrace,and isn't it sad that some of us
actually feel sorry for the guy, because all he probably ever
really wanted was for you tolove him.
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But you love something elsemore you and this entire made-up
story surrounding you.
You capitalized on the deaths ofpeople in your family to strike
a sympathy nerve to make up foryour clear mental mediocrity.
But you didn't sell me and youhaven't sold tens of millions of
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other americans.
Your entire family, sadly, isdysfunction.
Nine of you were paid byforeign governments.
To do what?
To look out for the bestinterests of this great nation?
No, to look out for you.
Your lasting legacy will besimple disgrace.
The biden family will go downas the most corrupt first family
in American history.
That is why children don't likeyou, why they pull away from
you and why I have never trustedyou.
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Your judgment day is coming,sir.
I hope it was all worth it.
Lies, cheating, corruption,cons, bribes, deals, the
screwing of America all becauseof you.
We will teach our childrenabout the Biden name.
I promise you our kids andgrands will learn from us what
never, ever to be like you.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I woke up this morning saw a world full of
trouble.
Now I thought, how'd we everget so far down and how's it
ever gonna turn around?
So I turned my eyes to heaven.
I thought, god, why don't youdo something?
Well, I just couldn't bear thethought of people living in
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poverty, children sold intoslavery, the thought of people
living in poverty, children soldinto slavery the thought
disgusted me.
So I shook my fist.
In heaven I said God, why don'tyou do something?
He said I did.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, I created you.
And welcome back to the Veteranshow.
Thank you for listening.
We uh, if you're in crisis,please pick up the phone and
dial nine, eight, eight, pressoption one or text eight, three,
eight, two, five, five.
Just remember you're neveralone.
There's always somebody outthere that wants to hear your
voice.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
There absolutely is, and I thank you for giving that
out.
Baby, please, everybody, alwaysremember, just reach out for
help, get out of your own mind.
Do not stay locked in your ownthoughts.
It's always best to sit, youknow, get with somebody you love
, get with a professional andtell them what is going on.
It's just better to hear it outloud sometimes.
So reach out for help.
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I'm super excited about Hisname is Captain Seth Keschel.
He's prior Army and I thank youfor joining us tonight.
Captain Keschel, I have beenwatching you since 2020, and I'm
just amazed at everything thatyou were able to dive deep into.
But the way that I have noticedthat you have, I don't know,
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become more vocal is after the2020 election.
I heard you give a speech andyou said that you had a fire in
your veins.
Can you elaborate with theaudience and us about what
happened on November 3rd andwhat you felt the day after and
how that's led to where you arenow?
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Absolutely Well.
Jeff and Laura, first off,thank you for having me on your
show.
It's been a long time in themaking.
We've been bouncing calendarsaround for a while.
I want to thank you guys foryour voice out there where you
are impacting veterans, givingthem day 2020, and the following
days in which the 2020 election, in my opinion in my researched
opinion, I should say wascompromised, manipulated and
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stolen from President Trump, andthat was in at least six key
battleground states.
We're talking about Georgia,pennsylvania, michigan,
wisconsin, arizona and Nevada.
So Joe Biden became ourpresident and I remember it
distinctly the night of theelection, going to bed,
everything was in hand for Trump, and then I couldn't sleep and
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I checked my phone and Wisconsinand Michigan, of course, were
being ripped off at that momentand I got up out of bed and I
knew exactly what was going on.
It took several days to pullGeorgia and Pennsylvania and
over the course of several days,I believe they called the
election on November the 7th.
But on November the 4th, when Iknew what was going on, I was
sick to my stomach and Icouldn't focus, couldn't eat,
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couldn't sleep, and on Novemberthe 5th, I got up, decided to
get busy and I had that fire inmy belly and I knew that that
this was something that I had touse my skills and abilities in,
and they weren't all acquiredin the military.
I've always had an ability tounderstand statistical trends
and patterns, and that came inhandy when I was an intelligence
officer in Afghanistan,studying the behavior of the
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enemy, reporting higher to mycommander, informing his
decision making, and I knew thatwhat had happened in the 2020
election was not natural.
It wasn't politically organic.
Of course.
It was a product ofmanipulation and cheating and
really laying the battlefieldout for the election to be
ripped off many months inadvance, with the legislatures
advocating their duties tomaintain election law and
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allowing governors andsecretaries of state to change
the rules on the fly.
So I knew that I had to getinvolved, and that launched what
I don't like to call it acareer.
I never set out to come outhere or make money, even though
I have to make money to supportmyself, but I never thought that
in my late 30s turning 40, Iwould be one of the leading
voices in the world for free andfair elections.
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I hear from people from allover the world on this topic,
but I knew that I had to getinvolved.
That fire in my belly wassomething that I believe was the
Holy Spirit leading me to fightfor the things that I believed
in.
So that's the answer to yourquestion.
November 3rd ignited me toaction.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
That's awesome, and the Holy Spirit, that's just
even better.
So tell me.
So one of the things how do youthere's two questions how do
you respond to any critics whomight question the validity, and
how do you?
What are you looking at?
What makes you?
How are you?
What data are you looking at tosee about the results of 2020?
Speaker 8 (20:03):
So the veterans that are listening on this call, who
have worked in the intelligencefield, especially military
intelligence field.
There are several differenttypes of ints I-N-T that we use
to process information data.
So information plus data madeinto a product equals
intelligence, and there areseveral methodologies used to
get this information.
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You can have imageryintelligence, and that's where
you're using satellites to takepictures and survey the earth or
buildings or topography.
Then you have SIGINT, which isIntercepting Communications
Signals Intelligence.
You have HUMAN, HumanIntelligence, and that's running
spies, running sources, and youhave several other ints and one
key int that people oftenoverlook is OSINT open source
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intelligence.
So I use stuff that's layingout there in the open and it's
not exactly James Bond stuff.
This is certified electiontotals over many years, voter
registration statistics and datathat's laying in open waiting
to be used.
So most of the people that havecriticized me, especially in the
2024 election cycle, understandthat I was the only
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prognosticator out there whoblended traditional political
analysis with my assessment ofhow much cheating was possible
in each state and what I came upwith was an assessment that
Donald Trump would win 312electoral votes and Kamala
Harris would take 226.
And that was exactly the scoreand I had every pick correct.
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And there are 56 differentraces for electoral votes when
you consider the split districtsof Maine and Nebraska plus
Washington DC.
So when people want tocriticize me, I just ask them to
show their cards.
Show me what you have.
And more often than not, whatthese folks are holding on to is
a pair of deuces.
They're looking at polling.
So all these aggregators likewell, we're a polling aggregator
, that's great.
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You know what I liked when I wasa kid in the 90s.
Growing up, I liked prowrestling and honestly I have
great nostalgia for prowrestling when I look back at
some of my heroes from when Iwas a kid.
Now I knew all along in the 90sthat it was rehearsed.
I don't like the term fake.
I know several pro wrestlers.
It definitely ain't fake.
(22:09):
All right, it's rehearsed likelike movies, but yeah, they get
hurt.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
They definitely get hurt and they die young.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
But the point is, you know, analyzing elections
through considering polls whichare manipulated, like the Iowa
and Seltzer poll, harris plusthree right before the election,
is about like assessingsomeone's fighting skills based
on what you saw on Monday NightRaw the night before.
So it's not.
It's not a good assessment.
So I always invite people toshow their hand and then I go
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back.
History is a great teacher.
History is the best predictorof the future.
The past is the best indicatorof what will happen in the
future, and I can prove out mymethodology decade over decade
over decade.
But I can show you endlessamounts of polling that is
fraudulent.
Now they always come back atthe end of election cycles and
show you how accurate the pollswere, because they cherry-picked
the ones that were close,because anything within a couple
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points in a massive state withmillions of votes flying around
is pretty close.
But precision and accuracy areoften different animals.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, there's two things that I would use to even
to kind of prove your point isone if you look at the last
there's some views on, I've seensome videos on CNN where
they're showing this jump, thatbig spike in the 2020 election
and even they were saying thisis statistically impossible.
(23:27):
Going back to you're sayinggoing back to history, of that
statistically impossible to havethat big jump at that time, and
then I forgot where I was goingwith the second part.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's nice to have you chat in here.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Well, it's so.
So I look for.
I look for markers in time thatalways prove accurate, sort of
like a North Star, and, forexample, Nevada and Arizona one
way to sort those two states out.
You have states that arepolitical cousins all over the
country.
You have Washington and Oregon,you have New York and New
Jersey, you have Arizona andNevada, you have Wisconsin and
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Iowa and, to a lesser degree,Wisconsin and Minnesota, and
there's other states that arepolitical cousins.
They move in the same ways andthey have a certain relationship
left or right to one another.
Right now, for the first time inseveral decades, North Carolina
, two times in a row, has goneright of Georgia.
So sometimes they do change,even though it's been Georgia to
the right of North Carolina forseveral decades.
But right now and somethingthat's been true.
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So Arizona has been a statesince 1912.
They've been voting in ourpresidential elections since
1912.
That is 112 years.
That is 29 presidentialelections now.
So when we look at that Arizonasince 1912, Arizona has never
in relation to Nevada.
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So Nevada has never voted for aRepublican presidential nominee
while Arizona voted for theDemocrat.
It's been the other way around.
But they've never gone Nevadared and Arizona blue.
So any of the polling that wasshowing Trump winning Nevada but
losing Arizona, I'm going tothrow that out, based on 112
years of precedent.
So will there be a first time?
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There could be a first time.
There's a first time foreverything.
But if I'm in Vegas and I'mplaying the tables, I've got a
precedent of 112 years of spentcorrection.
I'm going to go with that.
So I would go with the chalkpick on those sort of things.
And looking at Wisconsin, whydo I know?
Wisconsin's got terrible fraudissues from the 2024 election
Because it finished furtherapart from Iowa, at about 14
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points, than it has in any pointsince 1936.
Actually, it's less than 13points difference, Biggest gap
between the two states since1936.
They've been very closelyrelated here for the last couple
decades and that was why youhad the fake poll in Iowa, by
the way.
But Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, Arizona all have problems down
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ballot with the United StatesSenate races and I've also
spotted House races across thecountry that look disparate too,
especially in California wherethey counted for a month.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I wanted to ask you about that.
So two things I wanted to askyou was how I've been hearing
that the 2024 election, theresults of it, helped prove what
happened in 2020 bymanipulation and steal.
And then I would also I'mreally wondering do you know
which Senate and House races weactually should have had in 2024
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?
Could you tell the audiencewhat ones they took?
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Because they did In my opinion I singled out a top
four for the House and a topfour for the Senate.
So my four.
For the Senate, the threebiggest layups are Wisconsin,
michigan and Nevada.
Those three were absolutelyripped off.
Arizona was probably ripped off.
Now those numbers jive with thecounty trends at the
presidential level.
Now there is a thing calledticket splitting, so that is
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definitely going to happen Now.
Carrie Lake told me about amonth before the election at an
event in Tucson that she wasonly running two points behind
Trump, who won Arizona by fiveand a half points.
So Trump and Lake managed tofinish eight points off each
other.
I think it's a little bitsuspect, but the problem is it's
not as glaringly obvious as itis in Wisconsin, michigan and.
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Nevada, where they're justdoling out ballots, there are
actually fewer votes cast inMaricopa County in 2024 than
2020.
That's the first time it'shappened there since 1944.
So, yes, going back to answeryour first question, that does
corroborate to me what I'veassessed for 2020.
And I found the same thing inplaces like Mecklenburg County,
charlotte, north Carolina.
So those four Senate races, andthen there's four House races
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Virginia 7 with Eugene Vindmanyou may know that name, vindman.
That is not a name that you'dlike.
That is a suspect-looking race.
Now, it's mathematicallypossible to have happened, but
Virginia Harris lost ballotsfrom Biden's 2020 totals in
three-quarters of the countiesor independent cities in
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Virginia in 2024.
However, in that one district,she gained in all but one county
.
So I feel like if there'sballot stuffing, that it's in
Virginia seven.
You have Maine's secondcongressional district in which
the ranked choice voting theincumbent won by less than a
thousand votes and I think that,looking at the voting trends by
county, that it looks prettysuspect in Maine's second
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congressional district, whichTrump won by almost 10 points.
And then we go out to the west.
There are several other Houseraces which look sketchy.
There were two big red stateHouse seats.
Louisiana and Alabama had oneeach that were flipped blue.
Now they didn't flip from aRepublican.
They had to be redrawn becauseof activist courts ruling
against the mapping of these redstates.
So they drew safe Democratdistricts out of solid red
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states.
And then you go to Californiaand you've got two seats
California 27, up in the centralspine of the state.
John Duarte got ripped off byAdam Gray and then you have
California 45.
That would be Michelle Steelelosing Derek Tran.
Now, these were a month afterthe election.
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These seats were pulled off.
So California, of course, hasother issues.
There's way fewer 1.7 or 1.8million fewer votes for Harris
in her home state than therewere for Biden.
So that corroborates 2020 forme.
That California was used as ahammer for that 81 million vote
narrative.
But you can't accept electionresults that are that tight
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after a month of counting.
So we have to.
This demands reform.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It really does.
Just to go real quick, offtopic, I watched to get your
opinion on it.
I watched the New Jerseygovernor race.
What do you think about thatone?
That seemed really odd to me.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
The New Jersey governor race from 2021?
.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I think it was 2021 or 2020.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
Yes, yeah well it was really close.
Now those elections are wayharder to understand than
presidential year elections.
I just had this conversationwith somebody in Virginia today
about the Yonkin race in 2021.
It was definitely tight.
All of these states that haveautomatic voter registration,
like new jersey, and expandedmail-in validating look, even
the fbi has busted mail-inballot fraud rings in new jersey
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in democrat primaries, withdemocrats defrauding democrats,
so they're willing to go aftercases like that.
They're not willing to go afterpresidential or senate seats at
this point.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Why do you think it looks?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
sketchy?
Okay, I agree, it does looksketchy.
Why do you think they don't goafter those?
Speaker 8 (30:18):
they're not yet, they're just waiting or
perfecting there's too muchmoney, too much influence
involved, especially with thepresidency.
It's the most powerful officein the world, these us senate
seats.
The same way it's also in thecourts.
It's very difficult to proveelection fraud in court, and
that's probably why electionfraud is the perfect crime.
Anybody that thinks that it's afairy tale should just go look
at our own American history.
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You can look back at Boss Tweedand his crime ring in New York
City in the mid-1800s.
Now that was eventually busted,but they had the same
techniques, just differenttechnologies.
They would send people to govote with someone else's name on
the voter registration file.
They would pass aroundfraudulent absentee ballots.
They would make fraudulentsignatures.
That was how they controlledNew York City politics in the
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mid-1800s.
Now it's the same story.
You have absentee voting, youhave no-excuse absentee voting,
you have ballot harvesting inpopulation-dense areas and you
have fraudulent registrationsthat find their way on the rolls
thanks to automatic voterregistration and other tools
like that.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Speaking about automatic registration, we have
about a minute and a half beforebreak, but Maryland uses
machines and Maryland just Idon't know.
What do you think will helpstates like Maryland?
What will need?
Speaker 8 (31:32):
to happen Ultimately, the fixed two elections.
The goal is ideally you wantgood candidates, we want people
like us, we want America firstcandidates and right now that
runs through the RepublicanParty and through more
conservative ideologies.
Through more conservativeideologies, I guess if you were
to back away from personalpreference, then we should have
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candidates nationwide of allparties that want America's
interests placed first.
That's been a real hurdle tocross because I am a Southern
guy and I am a right-wing mindedperson.
I don't like the termconservative.
Nobody can seem to agree whatis conservative.
Like the term conservative.
Nobody can seem to agree whatis conservative.
But I think that theoreticallyin a textbook somewhere you
could have Democrats that arepopulist and mostly America
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first, and it's a matter ofdisagreeing with spending on
this education on that.
So it's a struggle to say thatto be America first it's only
conservatism.
But the answer is transparencyin elections.
Only real people vote in ourelections.
You can validate every vote andthe intent of the voter matches
on paper in what is tabulated.
That is how you make electionsfair.
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There's many ways to do thatGetting rid of fraudulent voter
registrations, not allowinganybody other than overseas
military and legitimatelydisabled to mail in a ballot and
then making it to where you canvalidate every person face to
face at the polls.
As far as maryland goes, it'sgoing to be blue until the
country has has a heat death ofthe universe moment it is.
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It is uh, it's the seat part,partly the seat of federal
government.
So you have a lot of whitegovernment workers and white
liberals in southern maryland,there in montgomery county.
You have poor urban minorityareas there in Prince George's
County and in Baltimore City,and it just vastly outnumbers
the Western Appalachian part ofMaryland and the Eastern Shore.
Unfortunately, you know, theonly type that can get elected
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there is like Larry Hogan, andnot even he is electable there
anymore.
So I hate to say that, but ifMaryland gets bluer because the
federal Leviathan gets choppeddown to size, then that means
about 45 states are going to gettortured.
So that that's the benefit.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Well, thank you for that.
Well, maryland, I don't know.
Hang in tight, maryland.
All right, we have to take abreak.
Speaker 9 (34:05):
We will be right back break while yet the storm has
come and queued.
For heaven's sake, Violencethat they demonstrate, instigate
and penetrate the values of ourcountry and our God is what
they desecrate.
My fighters ain't nofeatherweight pulling out the
seams of the fabric that theyfabricate.
They see us lies, manipulate,intimidate through fear and
force, forcing us to sit andwait Till we come together,
congregate, and then we liberate.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Praying that you give me strength to find some love
amongst the hate Marching.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Welcome everybody and thank you for listening to the
Veteran Show.
If you're in crisis, pleasepick up the phone, dial 988,
press option 1, or text 838255.
Just remember, you're neveralone.
There's somebody always outthere that wants to hear your
voice.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
There is.
There, absolutely is.
Thank you, baby, for givingthat out.
On the line with us, we stillhave former Army Captain Seth
Keschel joining us, and I thankhim for holding through the
break with us.
We want to make sure that wegive out his information.
So if you want to look CaptainKeschel up and follow him he has
great writings.
I was reading a lot of themtoday you can go to
(35:25):
wwwskeschelsubstackcom.
Skeshelsubstackcom.
(35:47):
So that's wwwskeshelsubstackcom, so wwwskeshelsubstackcom.
I hope everybody goes out thereand reads his articles, because
they're pretty impressive,which I want to talk about.
One of those articles, becauseyou crawled into my brain or I
don't know.
That's probably not the rightway to say it, but they didn't
have to take the 2020 electionLike if they had just let it be.
I thought that was a reallyinteresting article that you had
(36:07):
written.
Like he just could have letTrump have the 2020 election.
They could have gone down under.
Well, why don't you think theydid that?
Speaker 8 (36:15):
and nobody knew what capabilities were possible to
manipulate the 2020, 2022 andthen 2024 elections.
These all the states that movedto automatic voter registration
, with very few exceptions.
There's a couple that startedadopting automatic voter
registration in 2015, 2016.
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Georgia put it in two monthsbefore the 2016 election.
Didn't have time to grow therolls enough to stop Trump from
winning Georgia easily in 2016.
But once Trump won, all thoseblue states and a few purple
states ran off and put inautomatic voter registration and
it exponentially grows voterrolls.
So Michigan has 83.5% of itspopulation registered to vote.
Only 77% of any population iseven over the age of 18 and
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therefore eligible to vote.
So if you're looking atelections like it was an Olympic
event, michigan would bedisqualified from even sending
electors for the 2024 electionin a country that was fair, even
sending electors for the 2024election in a country that was
fair.
Now Trump still won it, I thinkbecause the ballot harvesting
was backed off once Trump hadcarried to North Carolina,
pennsylvania.
You better just let him take it.
But as far as the 2020 electiongoes, it was a heavy lift.
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I mean, trump had 74 millionplus votes, a gain of more than
11 million votes.
So that means that Trump wasthe first incumbent president
since 1888 to gain ballots fromthe previous election and
somehow not be reelected.
That's one of the biggest tellsthat the election was off and
it wasn't just a gain.
Trump's pollster McLaughlin,prior to the 2020 election, told
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him if you get 65 million votes, you should win, because he had
63 the last time and I thinkMclaughlin was looking at that
indicator which 1888 was thelast time the incumbent
president gained votes and lostelection.
So re-election and trump notonly got 65, he got 9 million
more.
On top of that, big minoritygains, big gains in all the
battleground states.
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Most of the battleground stateshad a republican party
registration advantage movingshowing, showing momentum, trump
and then Trump's gains in allthese states.
There were a lot of tells inall the bellwether counties, but
it was a heavy lift and, ofcourse, they pushed it so hard.
Biden had 81 million votes.
Now what are ballots?
I should say so.
Had they just let Trump goahead and take it, that could
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have been a game-time decision.
It's like look, trump hasFlorida, trump has Texas, trump
has North Carolina.
Trump's up by seven points inGeorgia on election night, with
over 90% counted, trump is up amillion plus votes in
Pennsylvania.
Trump is up by 10 points inMichigan.
Trump is up by five points inWisconsin.
You know what?
Forget it.
Forget it All right, let themtake it.
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Get as much down ballot as youcan, because all the Trump
people are going to becelebrating the Trump one.
Nobody's going to notice thedown ballot, just like we didn't
notice the down ballot in 2018.
But it looks way off, accordingto what it is that I measure.
I think they've honed thesepractices a bit since 2020,
since the numbers were so gaudy.
That's why you have massivedrops in votes for Harris in
certain places like New York,california, illinois.
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They did not pour on the firein those states because they
thought she would win themanyway, and the result was a
drastically tightened margin.
So if they'd let Trump take2020, they could have ripped off
anything they wanted in 2022 asa sixth year midterm.
Which go?
Look at George W in 2006, howhis sixth year midterm went.
Or look at Obama in 14, how hissixth year midterm went.
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Or look at obama in 14, how his60-year midterm went.
They're usually disasters.
So you could have swepteverything in 2022 and then you
could have put whoever youwanted in 2024, especially if
you unveiled the electionmechanics that we saw in 2020.
So with that, what you wouldhave now is trump would be
getting ready to pour ahelicopter in six days and leave
washington DC forever.
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Instead, he pulled the oldAndrew Jackson and spent four
years on the stump talking abouta corrupt bargain and has wound
up coming back.
And this time he brought justlike that article said.
He brought to fruition amassive new Republican coalition
that is going to continue togrow to the point.
Now, when I look atdemographics, if I see a state
with a large Latino population,I feel like I'm looking 10, 15,
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20 years into the future at ared state.
I don't even care what state itis New York, new Jersey those
states are going to continue toredden and the only thing that
will catch them is the laws thatthey have on the books for
elections and the populationdensity of places like New York
City and the metro area.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah Well, so I got a question for you.
Do you think it is a one partythat is doing this or both
parties in on it and they'rejust trying to decide who is the
better candidate that they wantto enact their overall goals?
Speaker 8 (40:48):
If there are only two parties patriots and traitors.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I love you.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
Look there there is.
There's a distinction here.
At the ground level, at theprecinct level.
You have Republicans and youhave Democrats that are sincere
people, that have their beliefsand they do the political things
which they are authorized andallowed to do in our country.
Then you graduate and thesepeople become professionals,
usually when they, a lot oftimes when they get to the
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legislature.
My wife is a staterepresentative in the Arizona
House.
She is untainted by thelobbyist machine so far and by
so far.
I don't ever expect her to betainted by that and she won't
stay around long enough to dothat.
But you know we had ashoestring budget for
re-election this year because wedidn't take all the lobbyist
money.
Her running mate in the ArizonaSenate the same seat, same
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district had a massive war chestbecause he took plenty of
lobbyist money.
Now, once people go from there,they start lobbying to run for
Congress, federal offices,statewide offices.
They become further and furtherdetached from what they were
supposed to be, which is ear tothe ground, listening to the
voice of the people,uncompromised by lobbyists,
uncompromised by domestic andforeign special interests.
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President Trump has been allabout calling out special
interests since he's been on thepolitical scene, and one of the
things that comes with learningand unlearning a lot of things
is you've got to understand thatwe gush out money to foreign
countries, including countriesthat we think are our allies,
and then we don't take care ofveterans, we don't stop illegal
immigration, we send our jobs toother countries and we don't
(42:23):
offer our citizens a fair shakeor transparency into any of the
processes.
So I do believe there aredefinitely two parties.
I think that both parties havetrue believers in them, but I
think that most of them, thehigher up the chain you go, are
political animals that will doanything to keep the gravy train
rolling and they will doanything to make sure that
they're not the one having tomake the tough decision.
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And I do have a reservoir ofgrace for everybody in an office
, I understand that you don'tneed to go dying on every hill.
You know, in football there's aplay that often happens on
fourth down, when everybodywants to see their team go for
it and score a touchdown.
But winning the game at thatpoint in time might require you
(43:04):
to punt.
So sometimes a punt is a goodplay.
Sometimes in battle, retreat isthe only call that you can
really make.
So I understand certain votesthat aren't great votes or they
may be made as a bargain to geta vote on something else, but
all in all, you give somebody along enough period of time,
they'll typically show you withtheir voting record who they are
(43:24):
.
So I think that it's clear thatmost of our politicians don't
support the interests of thiscountry first, or the american
worker or veterans, and we don'tdo things that are just.
We don't fight wars anymorethat are just almost every post
9-11 veteran out.
There is anti war at this pointand and I'm not anti, I'm not a
pacifist I think that you haveto swing the sword at times,
(43:46):
obviously, but I don't believethat it is our duty to send
american men and women to diefor foreign countries now.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I spent three years over in ir, in Iraq.
And now, why did I do?
Speaker 8 (44:00):
it Correct.
Now, that's the thing that Ineed all veterans here to
understand is it's one thing toreflect and realize that a lot
of us were misled.
You know, I think that theaccess to the internet that we
all have today has given us alot more information that we
used to not have.
You know, I use a politicalexample.
When Trump announced hiscandidacy in 2015, you could
(44:21):
have bet $100 on Donald Trump towin the Republican nomination
and won $10,000.
He was a 100-to-1 underdog atthat point to win the GOP
nomination.
And now, of course, he's KingKong.
Nobody can beat Donald Trump ina Republican presidential race.
But back then, all we knew waspolitical world pre-Donald Trump
(44:41):
.
Of course, it's going to be JebBush or Marco Rubio, take your
pick and it's going to beHillary on this side.
Well, access to the internetand information gave a lot of
grassroots voters like, hey,trump just said this crazy thing
.
He's right.
Wow, trump just called out thistrade arrangement.
Wow, trump is right.
So this snowball effect beganwhere Trump became unstoppable.
(45:02):
So, going back in time, you know9-11, I went and visited 9-11,
the 9-11 museum with my wifelast month in New York City on
the way to an event inPennsylvania and it's I think
it's the third time I've been inthe museum.
It's the fourth time I've beento the trade center site.
Time I've been in the museum,it's the fourth time I've been
to the Trade Center site and itwas moving.
(45:22):
It was gut-wrenching.
And this is the third time I'vebeen through the museum and it
was gut-wrenching, rememberingthat moment of my childhood when
I was adolescence.
I was 16.
I was almost 17 years old andit was something that stuck with
me.
It was probably the key eventthat girded my guts and my heart
to want to suit up in uniformand go fight.
(45:42):
And that was when my access toinformation taught me that these
terrorist movements and radicalIslam is the reason why we
fight.
And the government said we'regoing to fight.
George W sent us on the crusaderight.
And then there were not nuclearweapons there in Iraq Right.
And then there were not nuclearweapons there in Iraq.
There were only limited targetsto strike in Afghanistan
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certainly not 20 years worth oftargets to strike in Afghanistan
.
And now we have an army that isnot ready for a real theater
conflict, a military not readyfor a real theater conflict.
A lot of veterans have issuesbetween the years, if they
survived, and some of them cameback with, you know, minus arms,
legs and anything else youcould think of.
So you have to forgive yourselffor the things you don't know
(46:23):
but also embrace the leadershipskills that you've been given,
because we have a ton ofleadership skills.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Thank you.
I only have about a minute anda half and I really wanted to
hear this question from you, orthis answer from you.
Pins and needles.
You stated that you believethat veterans are key.
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (46:41):
So, caveating what I just said about those leadership
skills that we gained inservice and in combat, veterans,
the thing about the militarythey spend a lot of time trying
to make veterans takesensitivity training,
anti-racism, anti-harassmenttraining.
The reality is the military isone of the least bigoted, least
prejudiced places you're goingto find, and all officers and
(47:03):
NCOs know this because they alllead soldiers or other officers
or other NCOs that come fromevery background Black, white,
asian, hispanic, urban, suburban, rural, country boys, rednecks,
people that have differentreligious views, people of
different ethnicities, people ofdifferent political views.
But ultimately you have thatrule of law within the military,
the Uniform Code of MilitaryJustice, primarily, and then
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you're owed to the Constitution.
So veterans are key, meaningthat they have to harness those
leadership skills and abilities,the tough experiences they've
had, and invest them in thecommunity that they're from,
that can be running for office,that can be spreading word about
how to use these leadershipskills, because I think that all
officers, ncos and soldiers orairmen, marines, sailors I think
they all have uniqueexperiences, mental resilience
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and toughness to get involvedand help change society for
positive, with real lifeexperience.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Well, captain Cashel, that, wow, I could sit here and
listen to you forever.
So I mean, it's just, I am soimpressed by everything that you
store in your mind and how youget it out, and I just thank you
for everything.
I mean there must be so much Idon't know, but the amount of
research you have done andthings you've probably looked at
, and the time you have, I can'teven fathom the amount of time
(48:16):
that you have invested in all ofthis.
For so, for everything,everything that you have done, I
thank you, thanks for joiningus tonight and thank you for
putting up with me, uh,constantly hounding you, but I
thank you and I all god'sblessings upon you, sir, truly
well.
Speaker 8 (48:30):
Thank you very much, jeff and laura, for what you're
doing for veterans, where youare too thank you.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Thank you Love our land.
If you ain't friends, buddywill help you bag your bags.
Don't let the big door hit youwith a good Lord's figure.
Burn someone else's flag.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
America is losing hope, divided by the way we vote
.
This ain't the way that thisall should be.
We're fighting over memes andjokes.
They're burning flags that wehold close.
They think that war's onlyoverseas.
Outro Music.
There's men and women all around who fought and died
for your freedom and it's realfucked up how the government
treats them.
They just sit back and theywon't even feed them.
They lay on the ground feelingdefeated.
Lord, they paid their dues andthey beat the enemy while
they're all alone fighting PTSD.
(00:21):
Because freedom ain't free butreality, you entitled holes, are
handed everything.
We should all rise up and alljust agree the division ain't
the way that it's supposed to belord.
It's a damn shame what theworld's gotten to.
(00:42):
We, the people like you, and we, the people like me, should
just wake up and realize it'strue, cause it is oh, it is
Living in a new world With anold soul.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Welcome and thank you for listening to the Veteran
Show.
I'm Jeff and I'm here with mybeautiful, wonderful wife, laura
.
Hello, we want to thank WCBMfor the opportunity to sit
behind this microphone andproducer Michelle for everything
that she's doing for this show.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
We do, and WCBM, michelle, everybody and, most
importantly, the listeners youtaking the time to listen to the
show.
We truly thank you.
Without you we wouldn't be here, and so we thank you for taking
the time out of your Saturdayevening.
You could be anywhere else, buthere you are, and we thank you.
We open each show with a prayer.
(01:43):
That's just what veterans do.
Every single ceremony we havein the military opens with a
prayer, so we are continuingthat tradition into this show.
So if you could, please bowyour heads with me.
Our Father who art in heaven,hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth as itis in heaven.
(02:07):
Give us this day our dailybread and forgive us our
trespasses, as we forgive thosewho trespass against us, and
lead us not into temptation, butdeliver us from evil, for Thine
is the kingdom, the power andthe glory, forever and ever.
(02:28):
Amen.
We do.
Thank you for joining us andthank you for praying with us as
well.
We are just two veterans thatare trying to help other
veterans, and we believe thatone of the greatest ways that we
can help each other is just byhaving a conversation, and
that's what we're trying to do.
We just talk with otherveterans and hear what they have
to say, hear what they've beenthrough.
(02:49):
Tonight's guest is a phenomenalguest and I'm very excited to
have him on the show.
We've been working for a whilebut before we get to him we
always like to make sure we giveyou guys some information in
case you're in a difficultmoment in life.
We understand a lot of peopleare dealing with a lot of
different things right now, andso we want to make sure that you
can get help if you're aveteran and even if you're not,
(03:12):
please reach out for help nomatter what, but for veterans,
if you are in a dark place rightnow, if you're dealing with a
lot and you need somebody totalk to, we ask that you dial
988 and then option one.
You can also text 838255, oryou can chat online and you can
(03:32):
go to wwwveteranscrisislinenet.
That's wwwveteranscrisislinenet, wwwveteranscrisislinenet.
But there's so many ways toreach out, so just make sure
that if you know you've got toget out of your own head, you've
got to tell other people whatyou're thinking.
(03:53):
Sometimes saying it out loudjust really helps.
So call dial 988, then theoption 1, or you can text the
838255, or you can go online.
There's also some other ways ifyou're needing help.
We work with a charity.
We love them.
They're Heroes Bridge.
They have the National BattleBuddy Call-In Center.
Heroes Bridge typically helpsveterans who are 65 and older,
(04:14):
but they do have the call-incenter and they help veterans
nationwide of every age.
If you need help, just callthis number and they will help
you.
So it's 1-800-653-8387.
Again, that's the Heroes BridgeNational Battle Buddy Call-In
Center for Veterans and you cancall 1-800-653-8387.
(04:36):
If you need help with gettingyard work done, if you need help
with anything, call them andthey'll be able to help you.
There's also Warfighter Advance.
They deal with veterans andtheir post-traumatic stress.
Their number is 202-239-7395.
Again, that's 202-239-7395.
(04:58):
Warfighter Advance has one ofthe best programs that I've ever
seen to help withpost-traumatic stress and our
friends.
We have so many people who havebeen through it and know other
people who are going to gothrough it.
It's such a successful program.
So if you have tried everythingto deal with post-traumatic
stress, I cannot recommendWarfighter Advance enough.
(05:20):
Dr Vieten is an amazing woman,amazing program.
If you're dealing withhomelessness, if you're a
veteran, there's the BaltimoreStation.
You can call them at410-752-2254.
Again, that's 410-752-2254.
It's a year-long program.
(05:41):
It's for men and they teachthem all sorts of things coping
how to deal with finances.
They help with VA claims,everything.
So if you have somebody who'shomeless, tell them to contact
the Baltimore Station.
If you are a veteran and youhave some financial issues, you
can contact Operation FirstResponse.
(06:01):
Their number is 888-289-8280.
Again, that's 888-289-8280.
Operation First Response.
Amazing story.
Her name is Peggy, who runs it.
We had her on the show about ayear and a half ago or so.
(06:22):
Beautiful woman, beautifullover of Christ, and she just
amazing things that she's donefor veterans.
So if you're dealing withfinances, call 888-289-0280.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, sorry you missed that.
You said 82 both times.
Just wanted to make sure youcorrected that.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm sorry, 888-289-8280.
That's Operation First Responseif you need help with financial
.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You did it again.
It's 0280.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, so we'll finishdoing this, but the other things
that you can do if you'redealing with substance abuse is
you can go to AA, you can go towwwaaorg, or there's another one
that you might be interested.
It's Celebrate Recovery.
That's more of a faith-basedand I've heard phenomenal things
(07:12):
about that.
But AA or Celebrate Recoveryabsolutely reach out to if
you're dealing with substanceabuse issues.
So you can also go towwwcelebraterecoverycom, but my
personal favorite.
I feel that has worked the best.
And even if you use all ofthose programs if you need them,
but I still recommend God andhis son, jesus Christ.
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I have, I've been on all themeds, I've been to all the
doctors, I've done everything.
Veterans we just, you know weget in the cycle with the VA and
it's I don't know.
It seems like you're nevergoing to get off of it.
But with God, and when he cameinto my life, he really did
amazing things and just he hasgiven me so much strength and
(07:57):
peace.
Life isn't perfect, but he getsyou through it.
I mean, he designed it, youknow what.
Just to talk about that.
Since we have a second, I justwant people to think real quick.
Some of our audience is oldergeneration and I grew up you
know a lot of my uncles and mygrandfathers that I remember
they had train sets in theirbasements, beautiful, intricate
(08:22):
train sets.
I mean huge layouts and fields.
You know I just it was we.
We've even seen one of myuncles recently.
I mean you put a lot of timeand love into these miniature
creation of landscapes andtrains and little houses, little
people, cars, and I look at allof that and it makes me think
none of that happensspontaneously.
(08:42):
None of that just poof.
Somebody had to get all of thematerials needed and then they
had to figure out how to usethose materials to create this
beautiful landscape thatreplicates what we see day in
and day out.
Now, if somebody had to do thatjust to create a train set,
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then look around.
How can we not say that thiswas created?
And for me that's helped a lotbecause it means that somebody
created it with love, just likesomebody creates the train sets.
So that's why I suggest that youreach out.
But you're never alone, ever,ever.
We've been in hard places anddark places and I promise you
you're going to get through yourdifficult time and you're going
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to see the light at the end ofthe tunnel and you'll be better
for it and new, beautiful thingswill open up.
So just hang in there, onebreath at a time, one moment at
a time, and you will get throughit I know you will and you'll
be all the better for it.
It's been kind of a crazy week,babe.
Lots of stuff going on can'treally pinpoint um a whole bunch
(09:47):
of different little issues, butthe main one is we have a I
don't know if you can't reallycall him a commander-in-chief.
We have um the shadowcommander-in-chief exiting and
then we have in, hopefully peaceand coming in.
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I have said that this to other friends of mine this
is the time for popcorn.
We've done everything thatwe've done we can do, and now
it's just time to sit around andwatch.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It is, but we have to .
I think we I agree with that,but we definitely have to make
sure the flow of information,the amount of news out there.
It's just unleashed and it'sgoing to get more, and so people
need to stay in tune as towhat's going on.
But there's going to be lots ofinvestigations, there's going
(10:41):
to be lots of reports.
There's going to be lots ofreports.
There's going to be lots ofeverything, and so people are
going to need to be extravigilant to cipher through the
crazy and the lies to find thetruth, and I asked them to do
that.
I ask all of our audience to dothat.
You know, and us as well.
You and I, we do it every day,but you're the force multipliers
(11:04):
.
When you find out the truth, itis your responsibility to tell
your family, to tell your lovedones, to tell your neighbors.
Get it out there.
That's the only way that it'sgoing to happen.
When you're sitting around thetable or anything, you have to
get the information out or atleast start the conversation,
because that's what we reallyneed.
We need people to start talkingabout the things that have been
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happening in this country andacross the world, and if we
don't have an open conversationabout everything that's about to
come to light, we could findourselves in the same exact
position, right?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yes, but I would also caution you to give it, don't
react initially to a story.
Give it about 72 to 96 hours,because that's when you'll get a
lot more of the story.
If you get within the 24 to 48hours, you're going to get this
(12:03):
insolationalization, theheadlines, and it's not always
going to be correct If youusually wait.
Wait that 72 to 96 hour markand then a lot more will come to
light usually.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That is true, and it's a safe move to do that for
sure.
Thankfully we're once a week,so we get an entire week to keep
our traps shut, except onsocial media.
But we do thank everybody forlistening and tuning in with us.
But on that note, we cameacross with this show.
I often let people speak for usbecause they usually say things
(12:41):
better.
Usually say things better.
So recently um wendy bell, whoI guess is a reporter on newsmax
, had a farewell.
I don't know if it's a speech,necessarily.
What would you call it fair,just a farewell.
Since everybody else in theadministration is doing a
farewell address, I would sayit's her retort to joe biden's
(13:02):
goodbye speech.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh okay, that's a goodort to Joe Biden's goodbye
speech.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Oh, ok, that's a good way to say it.
Big words, thank you, babe.
Big words, that's like fine.
Anywho, outside of Laura'sthesaurus, we are going to play
Miss Wendy Bell's retort fromNewsmax to Joe Biden, and then
we'll go straight to break.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
And then after break we'll come in and we'll have our
guests.
Can't speak, can't walk, solet's just drop the gloves and
be real for a moment.
Ok, I find you disgraceful.
You are a corrupt, lying,farcical shell of a human being.
You sold out our nationalsecurity to enrich yourself and
your family.
Your son is a tragic disgrace,and isn't it sad that some of us
actually feel sorry for the guy, because all he probably ever
really wanted was for you tolove him.
(13:51):
But you love something elsemore you and this entire made-up
story surrounding you.
You capitalized on the deaths ofpeople in your family to strike
a sympathy nerve to make up foryour clear mental mediocrity.
But you didn't sell me and youhaven't sold tens of millions of
(14:12):
other americans.
Your entire family, sadly, isdysfunction.
Nine of you were paid byforeign governments.
To do what?
To look out for the bestinterests of this great nation?
No, to look out for you.
Your lasting legacy will besimple disgrace.
The biden family will go downas the most corrupt first family
in American history.
That is why children don't likeyou, why they pull away from
you and why I have never trustedyou.
(14:32):
Your judgment day is coming,sir.
I hope it was all worth it.
Lies, cheating, corruption,cons, bribes, deals, the
screwing of America all becauseof you.
We will teach our childrenabout the Biden name.
I promise you our kids andgrands will learn from us what
never, ever to be like you.
Speaker 7 (15:02):
I woke up this morning saw a world full of
trouble.
Now I thought, how'd we everget so far down and how's it
ever gonna turn around?
So I turned my eyes to heaven.
I thought, god, why don't youdo something?
Well, I just couldn't bear thethought of people living in
(15:24):
poverty, children sold intoslavery, the thought of people
living in poverty, children soldinto slavery the thought
disgusted me.
So I shook my fist.
In heaven I said God, why don'tyou do something?
He said I did.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, I created you.
And welcome back to the Veteranshow.
Thank you for listening.
We uh, if you're in crisis,please pick up the phone and
dial nine, eight, eight, pressoption one or text eight, three,
eight, two, five, five.
Just remember you're neveralone.
There's always somebody outthere that wants to hear your
voice.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
There absolutely is, and I thank you for giving that
out.
Baby, please, everybody, alwaysremember, just reach out for
help, get out of your own mind.
Do not stay locked in your ownthoughts.
It's always best to sit, youknow, get with somebody you love
, get with a professional andtell them what is going on.
It's just better to hear it outloud sometimes.
So reach out for help.
(16:20):
I'm super excited about Hisname is Captain Seth Keschel.
He's prior Army and I thank youfor joining us tonight.
Captain Keschel, I have beenwatching you since 2020, and I'm
just amazed at everything thatyou were able to dive deep into.
But the way that I have noticedthat you have, I don't know,
(16:43):
become more vocal is after the2020 election.
I heard you give a speech andyou said that you had a fire in
your veins.
Can you elaborate with theaudience and us about what
happened on November 3rd andwhat you felt the day after and
how that's led to where you arenow?
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Absolutely Well.
Jeff and Laura, first off,thank you for having me on your
show.
It's been a long time in themaking.
We've been bouncing calendarsaround for a while.
I want to thank you guys foryour voice out there where you
are impacting veterans, givingthem day 2020, and the following
days in which the 2020 election, in my opinion in my researched
opinion, I should say wascompromised, manipulated and
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stolen from President Trump, andthat was in at least six key
battleground states.
We're talking about Georgia,pennsylvania, michigan,
wisconsin, arizona and Nevada.
So Joe Biden became ourpresident and I remember it
distinctly the night of theelection, going to bed,
everything was in hand for Trump, and then I couldn't sleep and
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I checked my phone and Wisconsinand Michigan, of course, were
being ripped off at that momentand I got up out of bed and I
knew exactly what was going on.
It took several days to pullGeorgia and Pennsylvania and
over the course of several days,I believe they called the
election on November the 7th.
But on November the 4th, when Iknew what was going on, I was
sick to my stomach and Icouldn't focus, couldn't eat,
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couldn't sleep, and on Novemberthe 5th, I got up, decided to
get busy and I had that fire inmy belly and I knew that that
this was something that I had touse my skills and abilities in,
and they weren't all acquiredin the military.
I've always had an ability tounderstand statistical trends
and patterns, and that came inhandy when I was an intelligence
officer in Afghanistan,studying the behavior of the
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enemy, reporting higher to mycommander, informing his
decision making, and I knew thatwhat had happened in the 2020
election was not natural.
It wasn't politically organic.
Of course.
It was a product ofmanipulation and cheating and
really laying the battlefieldout for the election to be
ripped off many months inadvance, with the legislatures
advocating their duties tomaintain election law and
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allowing governors andsecretaries of state to change
the rules on the fly.
So I knew that I had to getinvolved, and that launched what
I don't like to call it acareer.
I never set out to come outhere or make money, even though
I have to make money to supportmyself, but I never thought that
in my late 30s turning 40, Iwould be one of the leading
voices in the world for free andfair elections.
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I hear from people from allover the world on this topic,
but I knew that I had to getinvolved.
That fire in my belly wassomething that I believe was the
Holy Spirit leading me to fightfor the things that I believed
in.
So that's the answer to yourquestion.
November 3rd ignited me toaction.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
That's awesome, and the Holy Spirit, that's just
even better.
So tell me.
So one of the things how do youthere's two questions how do
you respond to any critics whomight question the validity, and
how do you?
What are you looking at?
What makes you?
How are you?
What data are you looking at tosee about the results of 2020?
Speaker 8 (20:03):
So the veterans that are listening on this call, who
have worked in the intelligencefield, especially military
intelligence field.
There are several differenttypes of ints I-N-T that we use
to process information data.
So information plus data madeinto a product equals
intelligence, and there areseveral methodologies used to
get this information.
(20:24):
You can have imageryintelligence, and that's where
you're using satellites to takepictures and survey the earth or
buildings or topography.
Then you have SIGINT, which isIntercepting Communications
Signals Intelligence.
You have HUMAN, HumanIntelligence, and that's running
spies, running sources, and youhave several other ints and one
key int that people oftenoverlook is OSINT open source
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intelligence.
So I use stuff that's layingout there in the open and it's
not exactly James Bond stuff.
This is certified electiontotals over many years, voter
registration statistics and datathat's laying in open waiting
to be used.
So most of the people that havecriticized me, especially in the
2024 election cycle, understandthat I was the only
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prognosticator out there whoblended traditional political
analysis with my assessment ofhow much cheating was possible
in each state and what I came upwith was an assessment that
Donald Trump would win 312electoral votes and Kamala
Harris would take 226.
And that was exactly the scoreand I had every pick correct.
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And there are 56 differentraces for electoral votes when
you consider the split districtsof Maine and Nebraska plus
Washington DC.
So when people want tocriticize me, I just ask them to
show their cards.
Show me what you have.
And more often than not, whatthese folks are holding on to is
a pair of deuces.
They're looking at polling.
So all these aggregators likewell, we're a polling aggregator
, that's great.
(21:48):
You know what I liked when I wasa kid in the 90s.
Growing up, I liked prowrestling and honestly I have
great nostalgia for prowrestling when I look back at
some of my heroes from when Iwas a kid.
Now I knew all along in the 90sthat it was rehearsed.
I don't like the term fake.
I know several pro wrestlers.
It definitely ain't fake.
(22:09):
All right, it's rehearsed likelike movies, but yeah, they get
hurt.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
They definitely get hurt and they die young.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
But the point is, you know, analyzing elections
through considering polls whichare manipulated, like the Iowa
and Seltzer poll, harris plusthree right before the election,
is about like assessingsomeone's fighting skills based
on what you saw on Monday NightRaw the night before.
So it's not.
It's not a good assessment.
So I always invite people toshow their hand and then I go
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back.
History is a great teacher.
History is the best predictorof the future.
The past is the best indicatorof what will happen in the
future, and I can prove out mymethodology decade over decade
over decade.
But I can show you endlessamounts of polling that is
fraudulent.
Now they always come back atthe end of election cycles and
show you how accurate the pollswere, because they cherry-picked
the ones that were close,because anything within a couple
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points in a massive state withmillions of votes flying around
is pretty close.
But precision and accuracy areoften different animals.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, there's two things that I would use to even
to kind of prove your point isone if you look at the last
there's some views on, I've seensome videos on CNN where
they're showing this jump, thatbig spike in the 2020 election
and even they were saying thisis statistically impossible.
(23:27):
Going back to you're sayinggoing back to history, of that
statistically impossible to havethat big jump at that time, and
then I forgot where I was goingwith the second part.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's nice to have you chat in here.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Well, it's so.
So I look for.
I look for markers in time thatalways prove accurate, sort of
like a North Star, and, forexample, Nevada and Arizona one
way to sort those two states out.
You have states that arepolitical cousins all over the
country.
You have Washington and Oregon,you have New York and New
Jersey, you have Arizona andNevada, you have Wisconsin and
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Iowa and, to a lesser degree,Wisconsin and Minnesota, and
there's other states that arepolitical cousins.
They move in the same ways andthey have a certain relationship
left or right to one another.
Right now, for the first time inseveral decades, North Carolina
, two times in a row, has goneright of Georgia.
So sometimes they do change,even though it's been Georgia to
the right of North Carolina forseveral decades.
But right now and somethingthat's been true.
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So Arizona has been a statesince 1912.
They've been voting in ourpresidential elections since
1912.
That is 112 years.
That is 29 presidentialelections now.
So when we look at that Arizonasince 1912, Arizona has never
in relation to Nevada.
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So Nevada has never voted for aRepublican presidential nominee
while Arizona voted for theDemocrat.
It's been the other way around.
But they've never gone Nevadared and Arizona blue.
So any of the polling that wasshowing Trump winning Nevada but
losing Arizona, I'm going tothrow that out, based on 112
years of precedent.
So will there be a first time?
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There could be a first time.
There's a first time foreverything.
But if I'm in Vegas and I'mplaying the tables, I've got a
precedent of 112 years of spentcorrection.
I'm going to go with that.
So I would go with the chalkpick on those sort of things.
And looking at Wisconsin, whydo I know?
Wisconsin's got terrible fraudissues from the 2024 election
Because it finished furtherapart from Iowa, at about 14
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points, than it has in any pointsince 1936.
Actually, it's less than 13points difference, Biggest gap
between the two states since1936.
They've been very closelyrelated here for the last couple
decades and that was why youhad the fake poll in Iowa, by
the way.
But Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, Arizona all have problems down
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ballot with the United StatesSenate races and I've also
spotted House races across thecountry that look disparate too,
especially in California wherethey counted for a month.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I wanted to ask you about that.
So two things I wanted to askyou was how I've been hearing
that the 2024 election, theresults of it, helped prove what
happened in 2020 bymanipulation and steal.
And then I would also I'mreally wondering do you know
which Senate and House races weactually should have had in 2024
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?
Could you tell the audiencewhat ones they took?
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Because they did In my opinion I singled out a top
four for the House and a topfour for the Senate.
So my four.
For the Senate, the threebiggest layups are Wisconsin,
michigan and Nevada.
Those three were absolutelyripped off.
Arizona was probably ripped off.
Now those numbers jive with thecounty trends at the
presidential level.
Now there is a thing calledticket splitting, so that is
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definitely going to happen Now.
Carrie Lake told me about amonth before the election at an
event in Tucson that she wasonly running two points behind
Trump, who won Arizona by fiveand a half points.
So Trump and Lake managed tofinish eight points off each
other.
I think it's a little bitsuspect, but the problem is it's
not as glaringly obvious as itis in Wisconsin, michigan and.
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Nevada, where they're justdoling out ballots, there are
actually fewer votes cast inMaricopa County in 2024 than
2020.
That's the first time it'shappened there since 1944.
So, yes, going back to answeryour first question, that does
corroborate to me what I'veassessed for 2020.
And I found the same thing inplaces like Mecklenburg County,
charlotte, north Carolina.
So those four Senate races, andthen there's four House races
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Virginia 7 with Eugene Vindmanyou may know that name, vindman.
That is not a name that you'dlike.
That is a suspect-looking race.
Now, it's mathematicallypossible to have happened, but
Virginia Harris lost ballotsfrom Biden's 2020 totals in
three-quarters of the countiesor independent cities in
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Virginia in 2024.
However, in that one district,she gained in all but one county
.
So I feel like if there'sballot stuffing, that it's in
Virginia seven.
You have Maine's secondcongressional district in which
the ranked choice voting theincumbent won by less than a
thousand votes and I think that,looking at the voting trends by
county, that it looks prettysuspect in Maine's second
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congressional district, whichTrump won by almost 10 points.
And then we go out to the west.
There are several other Houseraces which look sketchy.
There were two big red stateHouse seats.
Louisiana and Alabama had oneeach that were flipped blue.
Now they didn't flip from aRepublican.
They had to be redrawn becauseof activist courts ruling
against the mapping of these redstates.
So they drew safe Democratdistricts out of solid red
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states.
And then you go to Californiaand you've got two seats
California 27, up in the centralspine of the state.
John Duarte got ripped off byAdam Gray and then you have
California 45.
That would be Michelle Steelelosing Derek Tran.
Now, these were a month afterthe election.
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These seats were pulled off.
So California, of course, hasother issues.
There's way fewer 1.7 or 1.8million fewer votes for Harris
in her home state than therewere for Biden.
So that corroborates 2020 forme.
That California was used as ahammer for that 81 million vote
narrative.
But you can't accept electionresults that are that tight
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after a month of counting.
So we have to.
This demands reform.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It really does.
Just to go real quick, offtopic, I watched to get your
opinion on it.
I watched the New Jerseygovernor race.
What do you think about thatone?
That seemed really odd to me.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
The New Jersey governor race from 2021?
.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I think it was 2021 or 2020.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
Yes, yeah well it was really close.
Now those elections are wayharder to understand than
presidential year elections.
I just had this conversationwith somebody in Virginia today
about the Yonkin race in 2021.
It was definitely tight.
All of these states that haveautomatic voter registration,
like new jersey, and expandedmail-in validating look, even
the fbi has busted mail-inballot fraud rings in new jersey
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in democrat primaries, withdemocrats defrauding democrats,
so they're willing to go aftercases like that.
They're not willing to go afterpresidential or senate seats at
this point.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Why do you think it looks?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
sketchy?
Okay, I agree, it does looksketchy.
Why do you think they don't goafter those?
Speaker 8 (30:18):
they're not yet, they're just waiting or
perfecting there's too muchmoney, too much influence
involved, especially with thepresidency.
It's the most powerful officein the world, these us senate
seats.
The same way it's also in thecourts.
It's very difficult to proveelection fraud in court, and
that's probably why electionfraud is the perfect crime.
Anybody that thinks that it's afairy tale should just go look
at our own American history.
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You can look back at Boss Tweedand his crime ring in New York
City in the mid-1800s.
Now that was eventually busted,but they had the same
techniques, just differenttechnologies.
They would send people to govote with someone else's name on
the voter registration file.
They would pass aroundfraudulent absentee ballots.
They would make fraudulentsignatures.
That was how they controlledNew York City politics in the
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mid-1800s.
Now it's the same story.
You have absentee voting, youhave no-excuse absentee voting,
you have ballot harvesting inpopulation-dense areas and you
have fraudulent registrationsthat find their way on the rolls
thanks to automatic voterregistration and other tools
like that.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Speaking about automatic registration, we have
about a minute and a half beforebreak, but Maryland uses
machines and Maryland just Idon't know.
What do you think will helpstates like Maryland?
What will need?
Speaker 8 (31:32):
to happen Ultimately, the fixed two elections.
The goal is ideally you wantgood candidates, we want people
like us, we want America firstcandidates and right now that
runs through the RepublicanParty and through more
conservative ideologies.
Through more conservativeideologies, I guess if you were
to back away from personalpreference, then we should have
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candidates nationwide of allparties that want America's
interests placed first.
That's been a real hurdle tocross because I am a Southern
guy and I am a right-wing mindedperson.
I don't like the termconservative.
Nobody can seem to agree whatis conservative.
Like the term conservative.
Nobody can seem to agree whatis conservative.
But I think that theoreticallyin a textbook somewhere you
could have Democrats that arepopulist and mostly America
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first, and it's a matter ofdisagreeing with spending on
this education on that.
So it's a struggle to say thatto be America first it's only
conservatism.
But the answer is transparencyin elections.
Only real people vote in ourelections.
You can validate every vote andthe intent of the voter matches
on paper in what is tabulated.
That is how you make electionsfair.
(32:40):
There's many ways to do thatGetting rid of fraudulent voter
registrations, not allowinganybody other than overseas
military and legitimatelydisabled to mail in a ballot and
then making it to where you canvalidate every person face to
face at the polls.
As far as maryland goes, it'sgoing to be blue until the
country has has a heat death ofthe universe moment it is.
(33:02):
It is uh, it's the seat part,partly the seat of federal
government.
So you have a lot of whitegovernment workers and white
liberals in southern maryland,there in montgomery county.
You have poor urban minorityareas there in Prince George's
County and in Baltimore City,and it just vastly outnumbers
the Western Appalachian part ofMaryland and the Eastern Shore.
Unfortunately, you know, theonly type that can get elected
(33:25):
there is like Larry Hogan, andnot even he is electable there
anymore.
So I hate to say that, but ifMaryland gets bluer because the
federal Leviathan gets choppeddown to size, then that means
about 45 states are going to gettortured.
So that that's the benefit.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Well, thank you for that.
Well, maryland, I don't know.
Hang in tight, maryland.
All right, we have to take abreak.
Speaker 9 (34:05):
We will be right back break while yet the storm has
come and queued.
For heaven's sake, Violencethat they demonstrate, instigate
and penetrate the values of ourcountry and our God is what
they desecrate.
My fighters ain't nofeatherweight pulling out the
seams of the fabric that theyfabricate.
They see us lies, manipulate,intimidate through fear and
force, forcing us to sit andwait Till we come together,
congregate, and then we liberate.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Praying that you give me strength to find some love
amongst the hate Marching.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Welcome everybody and thank you for listening to the
Veteran Show.
If you're in crisis, pleasepick up the phone, dial 988,
press option 1, or text 838255.
Just remember, you're neveralone.
There's somebody always outthere that wants to hear your
voice.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
There is.
There, absolutely is.
Thank you, baby, for givingthat out.
On the line with us, we stillhave former Army Captain Seth
Keschel joining us, and I thankhim for holding through the
break with us.
We want to make sure that wegive out his information.
So if you want to look CaptainKeschel up and follow him he has
great writings.
I was reading a lot of themtoday you can go to
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wwwskeschelsubstackcom.
Skeshelsubstackcom.
(35:47):
So that's wwwskeshelsubstackcom, so wwwskeshelsubstackcom.
I hope everybody goes out thereand reads his articles, because
they're pretty impressive,which I want to talk about.
One of those articles, becauseyou crawled into my brain or I
don't know.
That's probably not the rightway to say it, but they didn't
have to take the 2020 electionLike if they had just let it be.
I thought that was a reallyinteresting article that you had
(36:07):
written.
Like he just could have letTrump have the 2020 election.
They could have gone down under.
Well, why don't you think theydid that?
Speaker 8 (36:15):
and nobody knew what capabilities were possible to
manipulate the 2020, 2022 andthen 2024 elections.
These all the states that movedto automatic voter registration
, with very few exceptions.
There's a couple that startedadopting automatic voter
registration in 2015, 2016.
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Georgia put it in two monthsbefore the 2016 election.
Didn't have time to grow therolls enough to stop Trump from
winning Georgia easily in 2016.
But once Trump won, all thoseblue states and a few purple
states ran off and put inautomatic voter registration and
it exponentially grows voterrolls.
So Michigan has 83.5% of itspopulation registered to vote.
Only 77% of any population iseven over the age of 18 and
(36:59):
therefore eligible to vote.
So if you're looking atelections like it was an Olympic
event, michigan would bedisqualified from even sending
electors for the 2024 electionin a country that was fair, even
sending electors for the 2024election in a country that was
fair.
Now Trump still won it, I thinkbecause the ballot harvesting
was backed off once Trump hadcarried to North Carolina,
pennsylvania.
You better just let him take it.
But as far as the 2020 electiongoes, it was a heavy lift.
(37:23):
I mean, trump had 74 millionplus votes, a gain of more than
11 million votes.
So that means that Trump wasthe first incumbent president
since 1888 to gain ballots fromthe previous election and
somehow not be reelected.
That's one of the biggest tellsthat the election was off and
it wasn't just a gain.
Trump's pollster McLaughlin,prior to the 2020 election, told
(37:45):
him if you get 65 million votes, you should win, because he had
63 the last time and I thinkMclaughlin was looking at that
indicator which 1888 was thelast time the incumbent
president gained votes and lostelection.
So re-election and trump notonly got 65, he got 9 million
more.
On top of that, big minoritygains, big gains in all the
battleground states.
(38:06):
Most of the battleground stateshad a republican party
registration advantage movingshowing, showing momentum, trump
and then Trump's gains in allthese states.
There were a lot of tells inall the bellwether counties, but
it was a heavy lift and, ofcourse, they pushed it so hard.
Biden had 81 million votes.
Now what are ballots?
I should say so.
Had they just let Trump goahead and take it, that could
(38:26):
have been a game-time decision.
It's like look, trump hasFlorida, trump has Texas, trump
has North Carolina.
Trump's up by seven points inGeorgia on election night, with
over 90% counted, trump is up amillion plus votes in
Pennsylvania.
Trump is up by 10 points inMichigan.
Trump is up by five points inWisconsin.
You know what?
Forget it.
Forget it All right, let themtake it.
(38:47):
Get as much down ballot as youcan, because all the Trump
people are going to becelebrating the Trump one.
Nobody's going to notice thedown ballot, just like we didn't
notice the down ballot in 2018.
But it looks way off, accordingto what it is that I measure.
I think they've honed thesepractices a bit since 2020,
since the numbers were so gaudy.
That's why you have massivedrops in votes for Harris in
certain places like New York,california, illinois.
(39:09):
They did not pour on the firein those states because they
thought she would win themanyway, and the result was a
drastically tightened margin.
So if they'd let Trump take2020, they could have ripped off
anything they wanted in 2022 asa sixth year midterm.
Which go?
Look at George W in 2006, howhis sixth year midterm went.
Or look at Obama in 14, how hissixth year midterm went.
(39:31):
Or look at obama in 14, how his60-year midterm went.
They're usually disasters.
So you could have swepteverything in 2022 and then you
could have put whoever youwanted in 2024, especially if
you unveiled the electionmechanics that we saw in 2020.
So with that, what you wouldhave now is trump would be
getting ready to pour ahelicopter in six days and leave
washington DC forever.
(39:52):
Instead, he pulled the oldAndrew Jackson and spent four
years on the stump talking abouta corrupt bargain and has wound
up coming back.
And this time he brought justlike that article said.
He brought to fruition amassive new Republican coalition
that is going to continue togrow to the point.
Now, when I look atdemographics, if I see a state
with a large Latino population,I feel like I'm looking 10, 15,
(40:16):
20 years into the future at ared state.
I don't even care what state itis New York, new Jersey those
states are going to continue toredden and the only thing that
will catch them is the laws thatthey have on the books for
elections and the populationdensity of places like New York
City and the metro area.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah Well, so I got a question for you.
Do you think it is a one partythat is doing this or both
parties in on it and they'rejust trying to decide who is the
better candidate that they wantto enact their overall goals?
Speaker 8 (40:48):
If there are only two parties patriots and traitors.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
I love you.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
Look there there is.
There's a distinction here.
At the ground level, at theprecinct level.
You have Republicans and youhave Democrats that are sincere
people, that have their beliefsand they do the political things
which they are authorized andallowed to do in our country.
Then you graduate and thesepeople become professionals,
usually when they, a lot oftimes when they get to the
(41:14):
legislature.
My wife is a staterepresentative in the Arizona
House.
She is untainted by thelobbyist machine so far and by
so far.
I don't ever expect her to betainted by that and she won't
stay around long enough to dothat.
But you know we had ashoestring budget for
re-election this year because wedidn't take all the lobbyist
money.
Her running mate in the ArizonaSenate the same seat, same
(41:37):
district had a massive war chestbecause he took plenty of
lobbyist money.
Now, once people go from there,they start lobbying to run for
Congress, federal offices,statewide offices.
They become further and furtherdetached from what they were
supposed to be, which is ear tothe ground, listening to the
voice of the people,uncompromised by lobbyists,
uncompromised by domestic andforeign special interests.
(42:00):
President Trump has been allabout calling out special
interests since he's been on thepolitical scene, and one of the
things that comes with learningand unlearning a lot of things
is you've got to understand thatwe gush out money to foreign
countries, including countriesthat we think are our allies,
and then we don't take care ofveterans, we don't stop illegal
immigration, we send our jobs toother countries and we don't
(42:23):
offer our citizens a fair shakeor transparency into any of the
processes.
So I do believe there aredefinitely two parties.
I think that both parties havetrue believers in them, but I
think that most of them, thehigher up the chain you go, are
political animals that will doanything to keep the gravy train
rolling and they will doanything to make sure that
they're not the one having tomake the tough decision.
(42:43):
And I do have a reservoir ofgrace for everybody in an office
, I understand that you don'tneed to go dying on every hill.
You know, in football there's aplay that often happens on
fourth down, when everybodywants to see their team go for
it and score a touchdown.
But winning the game at thatpoint in time might require you
(43:04):
to punt.
So sometimes a punt is a goodplay.
Sometimes in battle, retreat isthe only call that you can
really make.
So I understand certain votesthat aren't great votes or they
may be made as a bargain to geta vote on something else, but
all in all, you give somebody along enough period of time,
they'll typically show you withtheir voting record who they are
(43:24):
.
So I think that it's clear thatmost of our politicians don't
support the interests of thiscountry first, or the american
worker or veterans, and we don'tdo things that are just.
We don't fight wars anymorethat are just almost every post
9-11 veteran out.
There is anti war at this pointand and I'm not anti, I'm not a
pacifist I think that you haveto swing the sword at times,
(43:46):
obviously, but I don't believethat it is our duty to send
american men and women to diefor foreign countries now.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I spent three years over in ir, in Iraq.
And now, why did I do?
Speaker 8 (44:00):
it Correct.
Now, that's the thing that Ineed all veterans here to
understand is it's one thing toreflect and realize that a lot
of us were misled.
You know, I think that theaccess to the internet that we
all have today has given us alot more information that we
used to not have.
You know, I use a politicalexample.
When Trump announced hiscandidacy in 2015, you could
(44:21):
have bet $100 on Donald Trump towin the Republican nomination
and won $10,000.
He was a 100-to-1 underdog atthat point to win the GOP
nomination.
And now, of course, he's KingKong.
Nobody can beat Donald Trump ina Republican presidential race.
But back then, all we knew waspolitical world pre-Donald Trump
(44:41):
.
Of course, it's going to be JebBush or Marco Rubio, take your
pick and it's going to beHillary on this side.
Well, access to the internetand information gave a lot of
grassroots voters like, hey,trump just said this crazy thing
.
He's right.
Wow, trump just called out thistrade arrangement.
Wow, trump is right.
So this snowball effect beganwhere Trump became unstoppable.
(45:02):
So, going back in time, you know9-11, I went and visited 9-11,
the 9-11 museum with my wifelast month in New York City on
the way to an event inPennsylvania and it's I think
it's the third time I've been inthe museum.
It's the fourth time I've beento the trade center site.
Time I've been in the museum,it's the fourth time I've been
to the Trade Center site and itwas moving.
(45:22):
It was gut-wrenching.
And this is the third time I'vebeen through the museum and it
was gut-wrenching, rememberingthat moment of my childhood when
I was adolescence.
I was 16.
I was almost 17 years old andit was something that stuck with
me.
It was probably the key eventthat girded my guts and my heart
to want to suit up in uniformand go fight.
(45:42):
And that was when my access toinformation taught me that these
terrorist movements and radicalIslam is the reason why we
fight.
And the government said we'regoing to fight.
George W sent us on the crusaderight.
And then there were not nuclearweapons there in Iraq Right.
And then there were not nuclearweapons there in Iraq.
There were only limited targetsto strike in Afghanistan
(46:02):
certainly not 20 years worth oftargets to strike in Afghanistan
.
And now we have an army that isnot ready for a real theater
conflict, a military not readyfor a real theater conflict.
A lot of veterans have issuesbetween the years, if they
survived, and some of them cameback with, you know, minus arms,
legs and anything else youcould think of.
So you have to forgive yourselffor the things you don't know
(46:23):
but also embrace the leadershipskills that you've been given,
because we have a ton ofleadership skills.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Thank you.
I only have about a minute anda half and I really wanted to
hear this question from you, orthis answer from you.
Pins and needles.
You stated that you believethat veterans are key.
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 8 (46:41):
So, caveating what I just said about those leadership
skills that we gained inservice and in combat, veterans,
the thing about the militarythey spend a lot of time trying
to make veterans takesensitivity training,
anti-racism, anti-harassmenttraining.
The reality is the military isone of the least bigoted, least
prejudiced places you're goingto find, and all officers and
(47:03):
NCOs know this because they alllead soldiers or other officers
or other NCOs that come fromevery background Black, white,
asian, hispanic, urban, suburban, rural, country boys, rednecks,
people that have differentreligious views, people of
different ethnicities, people ofdifferent political views.
But ultimately you have thatrule of law within the military,
the Uniform Code of MilitaryJustice, primarily, and then
(47:26):
you're owed to the Constitution.
So veterans are key, meaningthat they have to harness those
leadership skills and abilities,the tough experiences they've
had, and invest them in thecommunity that they're from,
that can be running for office,that can be spreading word about
how to use these leadershipskills, because I think that all
officers, ncos and soldiers orairmen, marines, sailors I think
they all have uniqueexperiences, mental resilience
(47:49):
and toughness to get involvedand help change society for
positive, with real lifeexperience.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Well, captain Cashel, that, wow, I could sit here and
listen to you forever.
So I mean, it's just, I am soimpressed by everything that you
store in your mind and how youget it out, and I just thank you
for everything.
I mean there must be so much Idon't know, but the amount of
research you have done andthings you've probably looked at
, and the time you have, I can'teven fathom the amount of time
(48:16):
that you have invested in all ofthis.
For so, for everything,everything that you have done, I
thank you, thanks for joiningus tonight and thank you for
putting up with me, uh,constantly hounding you, but I
thank you and I all god'sblessings upon you, sir, truly
well.
Speaker 8 (48:30):
Thank you very much, jeff and laura, for what you're
doing for veterans, where youare too thank you.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Thank you Love our land.
If you ain't friends, buddywill help you bag your bags.
Don't let the big door hit youwith a good Lord's figure.
Burn someone else's flag.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
America is losing hope, divided by the way we vote
.
This ain't the way that thisall should be.
We're fighting over memes andjokes.
They're burning flags that wehold close.
They think that war's onlyoverseas.
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