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Hello everyone, welcome back to The Victim's Voice.
I'm your host, Lorelai. Today we are going to finish up
talking about the phone calls between Detective Bentendorf
from Van Buren Township and MSP Crime Lab and learn what the
hell happened in this case. With that being said, let's go
ahead and jump right in. In the first episode, we went
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over some details of the case that have been falsely reported
on, along with things that the family weren't able to talk
about at the time. Last week in the second episode,
we went over phone calls that Detective Bentendorf had made to
the prosecutor's office and to the crime lab.
This week we're going to begin with a call from August 5th of
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2020 that will blow everything out of the water and also leave
room for Lindsay and Dwayne to insert their narrative into the
story and make people believe their lies.
So here it is. On August 5th, Bettendorf
returned a call that he had received from Jessica at MSP
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Crime Lab. She informed him that she and
Detective Young had gone back over the case and looked at all
of the evidence extensively, including the work that the
other lab tech had done over thecase initially.
This time, after going back overeverything, they were able to
identify a viable sample. Bendorf then asked Jessica where
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this sample was found, and lo and behold, she said that it was
found on the Christmas lights. Yes, the Christmas lights, after
Van Buren had called and called,after the crime lab had told Van
Buren multiple times that they had tested everything as far as
it could be tested. After Bittendorf repeatedly
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asked about these lights specifically, and this lady kept
telling him over and over that anything that could be done with
them had already been done. After all of that, now they have
found a usable profile, and not just a usable profile.
Apparently this profile was of such great quality that it could
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be searched on a national level through COTUS.
Jessica tried to sound excited and tried to get Bittendorf to
be excited, but she knew that hewas not happy.
I mean, of course he was happy that there was progress in the
case, but he had been riding these people's asses for over a
year and kept getting the same answer.
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Nothing. Van Buren were the ones having
to deal with the public scrutinyof the case not being solved
yet. They were the ones having to
deal with all of the chaos that Lindsay and Dwayne were causing
while trying to keep that nonsense under wraps so as not
to hinder their investigation. They were the ones the family
was looking to for answers. They were doing all they could
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while waiting for the results tocome back from the crime lab,
but then being told over and over they had nothing.
So why all of a sudden was theresomething now?
Jessica said they would just have to wait and see what the
results would yield and that there was still a possibility it
could be totally unrelated to the murder.
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She told Bettendorf that they needed all of the possible
eliminations so that they could rule people out.
She asked if he had any history on the lights, such as how long
they had been in Egypt's house, had they come from someone
else's house or a garage sale, or were they even her lights at
all? Or were they brought there to
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the scene by the killers? These are the types of things
that she said they needed to go over.
While waiting for the results tocome back, Bettendorf told
Jessica that the lights were confirmed to be Egypt's and that
actually they had been kept up around her back door prior to
her murder year round. He also said she had lived there
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for many years, so the chance that anyone else besides Egypt's
DNA and the killer's being on the lights was slim.
Then Bettendorf asked Jessica ifit was possible to test 2 black
hoodies, any pair of brown gloves that had been recovered
during the search warrant on Kenny's truck earlier in the
investigation. Jessica said that theorizing
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that the killer had been wearingthese articles of clothing
during the murder. The pillow from Egypt's couch
was so big that it probably would have shielded most of the
blood from splattering on the hoodie and gloves, and with the
clothing being dark colors it would be hard to detect blood
splatter on them anyway. What the fuck?
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How many excuses can this girl give for not doing her job once
again? If it wasn't easy then she
didn't want to bother doing it. Jessica then said that since the
case was open and active that there should be no problems
submitting these items for testing and that they would have
to use a special light to look for blood droplets or splatters
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on the hoodies and swab the outside of the gloves for DNA,
which would most likely be Kenny's DNA since they were his
gloves and recovered from his truck.
Then they would swab the inside of the gloves for Egypt's DNA.
Jessica then states the obvious that since Egypt was most likely
killed at night, then if Kenny was the killer, he might have
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worn the black hoodie to avoid being seen and might have even
had the hood up. This girl is a genius.
Jessica then told Bentendorf that the other evidence was
still being tested and was moving forward.
That evidence being the clothingof Egypt's that MSP never
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thought about testing until Bentendorf mentioned it and the
bullet casing that he had been trying to get tested for months
and months. She then told Bentendorf they
were going to wait and see if this viable sample that they
were able to get from the lightsgot a hit in CODIS and then they
would go from there. For those of you that don't
know, CODIS is the Combined DNA Index System and it's a DNA
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database created and maintained by the FBI.
It is a tool that is used to keep various profiles of
convicted offenders, people currently in jail or prison,
evidence left at crime scenes, unidentified remains, and
missing purpose persons. CODIS is used for the purpose of
solving open investigations by comparing DNA profiles from
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crime scenes against those already stored in the database.
Many places in the US have made it mandatory for people who have
been arrested and people convicted of crimes to give DNA
samples that are then entered into CODIS to later be used to
compare to those found during aninvestigation.
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So Jessica told Bettendorf that the sample they had found had
already been compared to the eliminations that they already
had and there was no match. So they had come to the
conclusion that either the DNA wasn't related to the crime or
they hadn't found the person yet.
I'll tell you, these lab people are bright.
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No wonder Lindsay wanted to givethem all of the credit.
They are right up there with herlevel of intelligence.
Another call took place between Detective Bettendorf and Jessica
on August 19th of 2020. Bettendorf wanted to know if
they could get a rush on all of the clothing, Egypt's clothing
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she had been wearing and the hoodies and gloves from Kenny's
truck. He wanted to make sure that if
they did get Adna hit, they can compare it to the one that MSP
somehow miraculously got from the lights.
They needed to find that one connection to give them the
answer they needed to be able tosolve this case.
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Bettendorf was obviously aggravated, which was to be
expected. Suddenly, after three years, MSP
got this DNA hit and then left them out of the loop to take off
in a new direction on their own,while leaving Van Buren to
answer to the family and to the public as to why this took so
long to happen. Jessica told Bettendorf that she
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would be completely honest with him in the fact that she did not
complete the initial work on thecase, which we knew, but it was
like she was once again pushing the blame off on the girl who
had the case before her who didn't even work for MSP any
longer. She stated that she had reviewed
the case several times and had reviewed it in depth in the
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spring of 2020 after she had taken the case back over.
And here's her story of what happened when it came to this
sudden hit. At the end of July in 2020,
Detective Sergeant Young came into talk about where they were in
the case and for a second in depth review.
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He told Jessica that maybe something could be looked at
again or that maybe there was something that they could do
with the evidence they already had.
Is this not what Bettendorf had been asking Jessica to do for
months and months? He asked her if they could test
or retest, but she said they hadand there was nothing more that
they could do. But I guess when Detective
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Sergeant Young told her to look and try again, she listened.
So according to Jessica, she re reviewed the case at the end of
July at Detective Sergeant Young's request and this is when
the sample was identified. She then apologized and
blatantly said this wasn't something that she was in
control of and that this sample wasn't discovered until the 2nd
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review. Remember these words?
During the re review, the samplewas identified.
Bintendorf told Jessica that they had been at odds with MSP
because he had told them about his conversation that he had
with Jessica two months prior. The conversation when Jessica
had told Bentendorf that there was nothing more that they could
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do with the lights or any of theevidence for that matter.
Bentendorf said that when he told MSP about this, they looked
at him like he didn't know what he was talking about.
Bentendorf then informed them that this was what he was told
by their lab. He told Jessica that he had
trusted not only her judgment, but everyone else's judgment
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that worked in the lab, only to be hit with this a month later.
She told him that she wished they weren't having this
conversation and that the samplehad been entered 3 years ago.
So it sounds like Jessica is saying that the sample could
have been entered 3 years ago, but it was somehow overlooked.
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This is not the story that the people in charge tell Bettendorf
in the phone call with them. Bettendorf then asked Jessica
how she thought it was going to look on the documented report, a
report that can't be changed, when it said that on three
separate occasions they were told by the lab that there was
nothing more that could be done with the lights.
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Jessica then acknowledged that she and Bettendorf had many long
and extensive conversations about the evidence and that she
had gone back and looked thoroughly to try to determine
if there was anything viable that could be used.
But earlier she said that she did not do this until Detective
Sergeant Young had made the suggestion.
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So which is it? She then admitted that the
problem was that she did not scrutinize the evidence as
extensively as she should have, but then went back to the excuse
that she isn't the one that did the initial lab work so she
wasn't as familiar with it. She said that the first time she
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even did anything with the lights, including looking at the
testing that had been done and the DNA profiles that have been
lifted from the from them, is during the second in depth
review with Detective Sergeant Young when he had mentioned the
lights to her. So when Bettendorf had asked her
in June and on multiple other occasions if they could do
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anything else with the lights, how could she tell him no when
she hadn't even been the one to do the initial testing and until
the end of July at Detective Sergeant Young's request, hadn't
even looked at the file concerning the lights.
Bettendorf then tells her that his department is unhappy
because for the last three yearsthey have been taking a public
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beating. All of this nonsense had put Van
Buren Township in a bad light. And then of course on top of the
public scrutiny, they had Lindsay and that whole chaotic
mess to deal with. This back and forth with the
crime lab and Van Buren was going on behind the scenes.
But the only thing that the public was hearing was Lindsay
and Dwayne and their followers talking shit on Van Buren,
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calling them the local good old boys, accusing them of not
caring to solve the case becauseEgypt was black and having
tunnel vision on poor Kenny. How could Lindsay and her
followers blame this on Van Buren when all they wanted was
answers like everyone else? Jessica then has the audacity to
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tell Detective Bettendorf that this isn't his fault.
Well, no shit, Sherlock. He then told her that they had
looked bad in the public's eye for three years and that they
would be smeared even more when this came out.
And it's true. Van Buren had begged the lab to
test and retest the evidence, specifically the lights, and
were ignored for months. But now they were going to look
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like the bad guys, like they weren't doing anything, just
like Lindsay was saying was true, while MSP looked like the
heroes. Jessica then said that she
hadn't felt great about the situation.
Then she once again said she wished it had been found three
years ago. From her tone and the things
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that she was saying, she knew they were in the wrong and she
was trying to smooth it over. She then said she wanted
everyone to get together for a meeting so that they could take
care of the elephant in the room.
She says they don't want anyone being hostile and would like to
clear it up so that it didn't come across as a blame game.
Well, Jessica, why would they behostile?
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If everything was on the up and up, then there would be no
reason to be hostile, would there?
And there was someone to blame in my opinion.
And it was not Van Buren. It would be the lab that missed
the sample three years before. Bentendorf told her that he
definitely wanted to meet with them because he knew that the
state police would go to the family and try to say that they
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didn't do it and that it wasn't their fault that this was missed
and Van Buren was not going to let that happen.
Jessica then told Bentendorf that she wanted to make him
aware that even though their state investigators were
involved, that the lab had a very neutral position.
And all of this neutral position, you are the ones that
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fucked everything up. You were the ones who overlooked
evidence, but now you want to take a neutral position.
They just didn't want to take responsibility for their
actions. Bettendorf then told Jessica
that he would like to meet with MSP before the following
Wednesday. That's when he had a meeting
with his detectives at Van Burenand he wanted to be able to tell
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them what had transpired over the last week and what was being
done now. Jessica then changed her
attitude and said if she and Bettendorf were going to
continue to talk about things, she would prefer to do it with
everyone there so that there wasno he said.
She said up until this point they had talked many times
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extensively about the evidence and the case, so why was it
changing? What was she worried about?
Jessica went on to tell Bentendorf that there would be a
meeting with the lab director, Brandon Good, the main contact,
Detective Plumber and Detective Sergeant Young.
They also wanted to get the lab employees together to talk about
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the DNA evidence. She told Bentendorf he needed to
talk to Brandon Good himself because a lot of things were
just out of her control. She then told Bettendorf that
Egypt's clothing still hadn't been swabbed by the analysts.
Nothing had been done at all forthat matter.
She promised that they were going to start looking at it the
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very next day and that during the meeting Bettendorf could
talk about the timeline for results from the items, but that
she had talked to Detective Plumber and he said it could
take 30 to 60 days to get anything back once they actually
swab them. Excuse me?
It had been almost a month before this that Bendorf
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mentioned testing the clothing to Jessica because she had never
thought to test them herself andat that time she told him it
would be about a week or two. Yet nothing had been done with
them yet. What was the hold up?
They were now three years in andthey were still taking their
sweet ass time doing anything while Van Buren was being
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scrutinized by the community anddealing with psychos like
Lindsay. Jessica said she wasn't sure if
they should put a rush on the clothing.
Uh, yes, please. Why would that even be a
question? But Jessica told him that was
something they could talk about at the meeting the following
Tuesday. Unbelievable.
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The very next day, on August 20th, 2020, Detective Bentendorf
had a conversation with Brandon Good, the director of the Crime
Lab at the Michigan State Police, and this is when the
cover up story is revealed. First, Good said he had talked
to Jessica and wanted to apologize for not informing Van
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Buren sooner on how or why a newcode of century was made.
In my opinion, it was because they needed time to get their
story together, but I digress. He then started to talk to
Bettendorf like he was a 5 year old.
He told him that he was going todo his best and try to make it
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simple enough for everyone to understand.
He said he would do the same forMSP and wanted to let everyone
know that this had nothing to dowith anyone in the investigation
and had everything to do with evolving technology and DNA.
In my opinion he tried to make it sound like what they had
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accomplished was too complex forVan Buren to comprehend while
keeping their department and thecrime labs involvement in
whatever had happened under the radar so as not to let on that
they had fucked up somewhere along the line.
Good then goes on to explain to Bettendorf that back in 2017
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after they received the lights and tested them, there was a
three person mixture on them which we heard Jessica inform
Bettendorf of in an earlier call.
Then Good said if this had been back in 2015, it would have been
found inconclusive and all of the data would have been thrown
out. Because they weren't allowed to
do anything with three person mixtures at that time.
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But this didn't happen in 2015, So what does that have to do
with anything? But moving on?
Goode said that right around thetime of Egypt's murder in 2016
or 2017, labs started using a software program called Starmix,
which allowed them to make comparisons to these more
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complex DNA profiles. So on this sample, they were
able to say, yes, Egypt is on there.
We know it's three people, so that leaves two other people.
Good job. It's simple subtraction, Mr.
Good. He then said what was
interesting about Starmix is that the program itself could
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determine whether you're able tomake a CODIS entry, basically
picking out a suspect for you. The threshold of accuracy was
set at 99%. Goode said he wasn't going to go
into detail, however he would explain it the best that he
could so that everyone understood.
So here you go, try to keep up with the bullshit that's about
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to get thrown at you. When they first ran the three
person mixture through Starmix, it said that it could not make a
CODIS entry. There are 24 areas of DNA, each
one has 2 entries. So there are 48 types that could
go into the system. When this three person mixture
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was entered, it only determined 5 DNA types that could go in.
He said he and Bittendorf alone probably shared 10 DNA types.
So basically the data was too limited to be put in.
The FBI would have told them they had to remove it, and had
it been left in, it probably would have hit on every person
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in the United States. So as things had evolved, they
realized that 99% threshold thatstarmix had was an extremely
high standard. So instead of just using
Starmix, they had started allowing their scientists to
come up with a completely separate interpretation.
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They told them that they needed to get more profiles into CODIS,
which they weren't allowed to doat the beginning of the
investigation. He stated once again that this
is something that happens as technology evolves.
Good told Bettendorf that this kind of thing happens often and
he used cold cases as an example.
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When working a cold case, they go back through and re review
all the information in the case to see what more they could do.
In the past, they weren't allowed to put a single thing
into CODIS if they didn't have an elimination sample from a
consensual partner. But then when that rule changed,
they had to go back and look at all of the cold cases that at
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one time were getting no hits. This change made them suddenly
get a ton of hits and therefore solve a lot of these cold cases,
he said. This is what happened in Egypt's
case. He said that they weren't using
what Starmix gave them years ago.
He said that Jessica went back and decided to separate the
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three person DNA mixture manually, which years ago they
weren't allowed to do. She had hoped by doing it this
way she would pull out a viable sample and allegedly that's
exactly what she did. She believed that she had a
viable sample that could be put in a CODIS, so she went to the
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administrators and got permission to enter it.
Goode then said that he wanted to be clear what had happened
had nothing to do with Van Burennot doing something, and it also
had nothing to do with MSP doingsomething.
Do you hear that, Lindsay? He said.
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It was literally Jessica going back and specifically looking
for a CODIS entry. He made sure to say again that
he hoped Bentendorf understood that this didn't have anything
to do with something that Van Buren did not do.
And he even said that if it everwent to court and this came out,
this is exactly how they would explain it.
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That it was a progression in DNAand no one's fault.
Apparently they forgot to call Lindsay and tell her it wasn't
Van Buren's fault. I mean according to her she's at
the top of Ms. PS call list. Bettendorf, who was still
rightfully aggravated at these people, told Good that it seemed
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kind of funny that MSP had one meeting and suddenly they get a
codice hit when for months he had been asking if anything else
could be done with the evidence and was told no on multiple
occasions. So then once again, as we have
seen multiple times with these people in this lab, Goode tried
to remove himself from the equation, telling Bettendorf
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that he usually oversaw these kinds of things, but that he had
COVID so he had been working from home for the past three
weeks. He said he hadn't been aware of
any of it until the night of theCODIS hit.
That's when he had sent everything out at 10:00 PM.
Its funny how no one had anything to do with this and
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claimed they were neutral or notinvolved and tried to pass the
buck to the next person when allVan Buren wanted was answers as
to what happened and why. Good.
Then said he would take responsibility for Bentendorf
not knowing immediately, but then immediately turned right
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around and said he did try to call him that night, but that it
had went straight to voicemail. But then turned around again and
said we should have been more proactive to let you guys know.
Well, which is it? You take responsibility for him
not knowing right away? You did try to call him and got
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voicemail or you should have been more proactive to let them
know? And like I said, everyone forgot
to call Lindsay because she never mentions any of this in
her narrative. Well then Good used one of
Jessica's favorite words and said he assumed that Van Buren
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had been communicating with MSP and therefore would have known.
This is why they say when you you assume something it makes an
ass of you and me because right now everyone in this lab is
looking like a fucking ass. Then good has the audacity to
say to Bentendorf, this is your investigation and from now on we
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will 100% make sure you guys arekept in the loop.
It's a little too late for that,isn't it?
He then said all of this happened because when Detective
Sergeant Young met with Jessica,he specifically said to her,
please look and see if you can remake a CODIS entry.
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So supposedly if Jessica would have rubbed a couple of brain
cells together and thought to remake a CODIS entry on her own,
this case would have been solvedway before it was.
Apparently with Miss Jessica, you have to be very specific and
tell her exactly how to do her job.
Had Bentendorf done that, even though she is the expert in the
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lab, then he would have gotten this hit a long time ago.
I guess we should expect this much from a person who said that
she didn't even think about testing Egypt's clothing and had
never thought about the fact that maybe the killer or killers
had touched her clothing. Good once again tells Bentendorf
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for the third time that it absolutely has nothing to do
with anything they did or didn'tdo.
And he said that he didn't want it to be portrayed like that.
Well, guess what, Good, it was absolutely portrayed like that
by MSP and by Lindsay and her crew.
Good said the prosecutor was going to want to know why all of
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this sudden this hit three yearslater happened and Good said
they would explain to them how it happened.
He said when Jessica had been looking at the samples at
Bentendorf's request, she had specifically looked for YSTRS.
But then when Young mentioned toher to try to remake a CODIS
entry, she refocused and went ina different direction.
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And this still doesn't make her sound any better.
She still had to be told how to do her job.
Good said he understood this wasn't great, but hopefully they
would get something out of it. Bettendorf agreed that it was
good that this might lead to a break in the case, but he said
the problem with MSP was that they took the information up the
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chain but never brought it back to them.
Of course Good said he knows nothing about any of that since
he isn't involved in that part of it.
And as they have made clear, they are 100% neutral.
For something that was supposedly an advance in DNA and
not a fuck up by anyone, they sure are trying to get across
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the point that they are not involved, that they know nothing
about anything and they are completely neutral.
He said that's why the day they got that hit the first person he
called was Bettendorf. But earlier he said he would
take full responsibility for VanBuren not knowing and that they
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should have been more proactive to make sure they were informed.
But now Bettendorf is the first person he called.
He then says that no one answered, which earlier he said
voicemail answered. So why didn't he leave a
message? So he called MSP and then
emailed every single person at Van Buren.
This guy is all over the place and can't keep a single story
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straight. So Bettendorf then told Good
that he had asked Jessica a month ago about everything and
Good stuttered around and said oh OK.
Well I hope this clears everything up about why
something wasn't done at the time.
Wow, he didn't want to go down that road with Bettendorf at
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all. This is obviously a case of
covering their asses and it couldn't be more clear.
He then tried to smooth things over and said that they should
have told him exactly what was going on and what they were
doing, but then he turned it completely around and said to be
honest it's on MSP. That they definitely should have
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been communicating with Van Buren.
Which is true, but that doesn't take away the fact that the
people in this lab fucked up royally and are doing anything
they can to take the heat off ofthem and put it on someone else.
He even said that he hated to take the blame off of his
people. I'm sure he did, but the lab
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dealt with so many people and agencies a day and did 20 to 30
reports a day and that there wasno way that they could follow up
on every case. So he admitted that they didn't
follow up on Egypt's case even when Van Buren called him over
and over to try to get answers. They were just ignored because
the lab had other cases to worryabout.
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Goode then told Bentendorf that the swabs had been done already
for the clothing and Kenny's hoodie and they should have the
results soon. Probably in a couple weeks.
Pretty sure they told him a couple of weeks a month before
this phone call. Then Goode said he had a
question for Bentendorf. Goode wanted to know if it would
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be a good idea for him to come to the meeting they were having
that week and explain to everyone what had happened with
the CODIS entry. That way everyone would be on
the same page or everyone would hear his narrative of how it
happened. Bettendorf told Good it was up
to them and that they just wanted to get an understanding
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of what was going on from their standpoint.
Of course, Good said he completely understood and
empathized with them, and had hebeen in the lab working instead
of at home sick, none of this would have ever happened.
Once again, if this was just an advance in DNA, why be sorry?
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What does that he have to do with him being homesick?
I mean, if he's talking about calling him and talking to him,
he can do that from home. Good.
Then said he hoped everything made sense and that if anything
or anyone needed him to explain any of it, he would.
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He also said that if anything else came out in the future, he
would personally make sure that Van Buren was notified.
So there you go, guys. That's how MSP ended up with
Egypt's case and how it was solved, either because of an
advance in DNA or because someone missed a viable sample
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three years before. Either way, I heard nothing
about it being because of all the great things that Lindsay
Brink Turner did. In fact, I heard nothing about
her doing anything positive for this case at all.
All I heard was how she was causing chaos and hindering the
case. It's just funny how none of this
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was ever mentioned in her narrative of things.
But had she mentioned this, she wouldn't have been able to take
credit like she has. And the only reason people are
believing any of her crap is because of the way the events
unfolded and the timeline of everything.
This viable sample that suddenlyshowed up and was good enough
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for a CODIS hit sending MSP in their own direction happened
right around the time that Lindsay was holding protests,
harassing Van Buren employees with emails, and making Egypt's
family and friends lives hell. So because of the timing and the
fact that no one else was talking out of respect for Egypt
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in her case, that left room for Lindsay to run with her
narrative. And that's exactly what she did.
And she hasn't stopped. To this day, she still makes Tik
Tok's Facebook posts and podcastepisodes demeaning and bullying
the people that Egypt loved. She can't stop talking about
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Egypt or harassing her loved ones because that's the only way
Lindsay gets attention from anyone.
The most horrible thing about all of this is that Egypt's name
is associated with this kind of person, a person so full of evil
and hatred, the complete opposite of the beautiful and
loving person Egypt was and still is as she lives on through
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her family and friends who knew her and loved her.
For photos from this episode, check out the victim's voice on
Facebook and come back next weekfor a new case.
Until then, peace out.