Healing Money Wounds: Why It's So Scary to Charge Your Worth & The Six-Figure Mindset with Sarah Mac
October 17, 2025 • 38 mins
Are you ready to stop freaking out every time you have to send an invoice or raise your prices?
In this empowering episode of The Visibility Standard, Jazzmyn is joined by Sarah Mac, author of The Six Figure Creative, to dive deep into the uncomfortable reality of money wounds and the pervasive cultural programming that keeps visionaries from charging their worth.
Sarah shares her raw, personal journey from burnout in the film industry to building a thriving six-figure online business by healing childhood trauma and rebuilding her identity around her creative value. This isn't just about strategy—it's about the mindset shifts required to create the financial freedom you crave.
🔑 Actionable Takeaways & Permission to Expand:
- The Post-It Note Strategy: A practical, nervous-system hack for getting comfortable with your next financial goal. Stop playing defense and start setting your GPS for the money you desire.
- Astrology as Your Blueprint: Discover how astrology—specifically your Chiron and Saturn placements—can confirm your deepest intuitive callings and become a powerful tool for authentic storytelling and building self-trust.
- Why Risk is the Foundation of Self-Trust: Hear how taking big leaps (even when they fail) can be the most empowering way to prove to yourself that you are capable of digging your way out of any hole.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Are you sitting with thousands of hours of b-roll
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content and telling yourself,I'll start posting tomorrow?
Are you in your head worriedabout your friends and family
thinking your friends werechoosing to be visible?
Are you chasing trends insteadof building influence?
Welcome to the visibilitystandard, where the visionaries
of today are changing the rolesof their industries and letting
their voice be heard.
I'm your host, Jasmine, and weare setting the standard.
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I am so excited for my guesttoday.
She is the author of thesix-figure creative.
She works with astrology,business building, and really
supporting folks in learning howto amplify their voice, building
communities that aresustainable, and building
business systems that aresustainable.
Sarah, thank you so much forjoining me today.
SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
Hi, Jasmine.
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (00:49):
So tell my audience a little bit about your work.
We're going to dive in aboutmoney wounds, why it's so tricky
for people to talk about money.
But I'd first love for people toget a better understanding of
your background.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
Yeah, so I am a Leo son and I've always been very
creative.
And pretty much my wholechildhood, I was told, you can't
have a career in the artsbecause you'll be broke.
And so I kind of gave up theidea of being in theater.
And I discovered film.
And it felt like an industrywhere there was a capacity to
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earn decent money while also,you know, being creative and
being in the arts.
And so I worked in film for afew years after graduating from
university.
And then it was right around thetime of my Saturn's return.
I was taking a master's in filmstudies in Montreal.
I was working in the summers onfilm sets and studying in the
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winters.
And I had a giant burnout.
And I had really bad chronicfatigue for about five years.
And I just did not know what wasgoing on with my health.
All I knew is like I couldn'twork in film anymore because it
was, you know, like 12 to 18hour plus days sometimes.
Lots of driving, going out onfilm sets all over.
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And I knew that it wasn't reallycreatively fulfilling me working
on a film crews.
You know, it felt kind of like Iwas in the army, like what sort
of driving up mountains and likemoving furniture and things like
this.
And I felt like I wanted to beable to express my voice.
And um I loved traveling.
So I thought it would be reallyfun to have an online business.
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And I thought I would have to goback to school and you know, it
would take me years to retrain.
But I got an invitation from afriend of mine to go out to Bali
in Indonesia and be like asocial media manager for her
online wellness company.
And I was like, oh my God, likethis is the breadcrumb that
leading me in the direction thatI want to go.
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So I put all my stuff instorage, quit the film industry,
went out there.
And that's when I discoveredthat I was really good at
writing.
And I just did not considermyself a writer before then.
But I was chiming in on meetingsaround her website copy.
And my friend was like, Oh,you're really good at this.
And there were another couple ofwriters out there, freelance
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writers living in Bali.
And so I was so nervous, youknow, and I asked one of them to
go for lunch.
And I was like, Do you think Icould be a writer?
And she like asked me all thesequestions.
And, you know, she was like,Yeah, it seems like you have a
lot of experience in writing,and you know, this is kind of
how you start to get freelancework online.
So I really just was like, Thisis my, you know, divine like
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initiation into onlineentrepreneurship.
And I was surprisingly, I juststarted getting clients very
quickly.
It took me a good few months.
Just I put a profile up onFiverr and, you know, was like
massively undercharging for mywork because I had no confidence
and was figuring out how to, youknow, make gigs and create
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different pieces of digitalmarketing for other
entrepreneurs.
And that's really what kind ofrebirthed my life into
entrepreneurship.
And suddenly I had to pick myprices and, you know, I had to
navigate financial organizationand just all of these other
skills that I did not have.
And it started to bring up a lotof just those old wounds around
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not feeling valuable or feelinglike I couldn't charge good
money for my creativity.
Um, and I really had to do thework to look at the root cause
of those belief systems andthose emotional patterns that
were just really I was freakingout about raising my prices and
asking for more money.
And I just didn't feel like itworthy.
I didn't feel like I it wouldwork or that people would really
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value me or my creativity.
And I had to do a lot of workaround that.
And it kind of led me on thisdown the rabbit hole on all of
my childhood trauma.
And it, you know, and I waslooking at where these stories
really came from.
And I did a lot of hiddentherapy and energy healing work
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and really had to rebuild myidentity and my belief system
around my worth as a creative.
And eventually led me to unearthsome like hidden memories of
childhood sexual trauma that hadbeen suppressed.
And they didn't really, thememories didn't come up until
I'd healed a lot of theemotional, like suppressed
emotions around it.
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And it was kind of like thefinal puzzle piece that was
like, oh, like no wonder I feelgood about myself, you know?
Where I just hadn't felt like Iwas capable of creating a sense
of security or safety for myselfas a child.
And so all of these emotionswere really being triggered in
my relationship with money as Iwent into entrepreneurship.
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And I would just, you know, Ifound it so difficult to sit
down and look at my numbers andeven sending out invoices, like
all of these, you know, veryimportant activities that your
well-being and survival andsecurity really depend on when
you're an entrepreneur and youhave your own business.
So yeah, it took a lot for me tokind of process that.
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And obviously, being British, wedon't tend to deal with our
emotions very well or talk aboutthem or have tools to deal with
them.
So I had to build a whole newtoolkit and was like, you know
what?
I the universe didn't give me achoice.
Like I had to learn to feel myfeelings and really take care of
myself at a new level.
And so I started a copywritingagency.
I was writing a lot of copy for,you know, more than a thousand
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different types of digitalentrepreneurs.
And I really honed in on workingwith women.
I started attracting coaches.
And I started seeing that youcan have the most strategically
perfectly written piece of copyor launch content or Facebook ad
or whatever.
But if your mindset isn't thereto back it, to really feel
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confident to pitch, to reallyfeel worthy to receive, to
really follow through on, youknow, landing the client, making
the sales, being visible anddoing it consistently, that
like, you know, those two thingsreally come hand in hand.
And so that's what inspired meto launch my coaching business.
And I really started focusing onthe mindset work that had just
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made such a big difference forme.
You know, I doubled my incometwo years in a row.
I replaced my film, uh,freelance film income within a
year of beginning freelancewriting work.
Then I launched my copywritingagency, I doubled my income from
like 25K to 50K, and then Ilaunched my coaching business
and I doubled my income from 50Kto 100K.
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And, you know, I wasworkingless, I was traveling the
world to 18 countries, I was,you know, really just felt so
free and like I could share myvoice and impact communities
that I cared about.
I would had time to pour in somemusic and writing, and I really
felt like I'd created thecreatively free and fully
expressed life that I was reallycraving.
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So yeah, that's kind of how Istumbled into this work.
unknown (08:07):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
I love, I mean, first, thank you so much for
sharing so much of your story.
And I feel like so many withinmy audience can resonate, but I
I cannot help but pick out thethe fact or the idea that
creating a stronger sense ofself, uh feeling safe and secure
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enough within ourselves to jumpinto entrepreneurship really
lays like the foundation for howwe approach our business.
And I would love to hear yourthoughts on that.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
Yeah, you know what?
I I always now, you know, it'slike you never know where the
breadcrumbs are leading, right?
When you're like being called ina new direction, but then when
it kind of lands and takesshape, you can look backwards
and be like, now I can see thatthere were breadcrumbs even
earlier on that I didn't realizewere breadcrumbs, you know.
I think, you know, one of themajor moments that stand out for
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me was so obviously because ofmy background, I always just had
this urge to like get out ofdodge.
Like I did not want to be inEngland.
I always wanted to travel.
I always just felt safer, likenot being in my home country.
And I didn't make thatconnection, obviously, until
later.
But um also I have a Sagittariussporthouse.
So I just, you know, I traveland I move a lot.
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And when I decided to book aone-way ticket out to Vancouver
to go and work in the filmindustry there, I applied for
like a year-long working visa.
I'd been working in TV and filmin the UK and was kind of like,
is this it?
You know, is this just like mycareer forever and ever?
Like I wasn't really ready tolike settle down.
And I knew that there wasbeautiful mountains there and
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you know, it was more sunny.
And I was like, I might as wellgo and do this job in a
beautiful new place and have anadventure.
And I had about enough money forI think about a month saved up.
And you know, it's verychallenging to get film work in
London because there's a lot ofgatekeeping, and people will
tell you, you know, oh, you haveto intern for free for a year
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before someone will hire you.
And, you know, that wasn't anoption for me.
But thankfully, I because Istarted working in Manchester,
I, you know, found work, but Iwas very prepared for it to be
challenging for me to break intoan industry in a completely new
city where I knew no one.
Anyway, I got there, and turnsout film is one of the biggest
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industries in Vancouver, andpretty much everybody works in
film.
So it was like very easy to findopportunities and just having
that experience of like taking arisk, taking the leap, and
landing on my feet, you know,and so many people helped me.
And I think that's the magic ofreally being on your own
sometimes, you know, it's likeyou're very open and receptive
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to everything around you.
Like I met this incredible womanat uh an estate sale, and she
helped get all of this furniturefor me for my apartment.
She worked in film, she hookedme up with this incredible job.
She like lent me her laptop, youknow, and I just I was met with
so much generosity and it justcompletely shifted my view of
the world.
And I think it it just gave mean example of like when you take
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a risk, it might work outamazing, you know?
Like, yeah, it might not work,but it also might work amazing.
And I think that's what gave methe confidence to start to take
more leaps because it was like,well, why would I not risk it
working out amazing?
You know, like and I think Ithink that made a big difference
in, you know, being having theconfidence to then take bigger
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and bigger leaps and to trustmyself.
And you know, there's plenty oftimes where I've like I took
that leap to Bali and that jobthat I went out for completely
fell apart after a few weeks,and I was like really fucked.
And that's you know, kind ofwhere the opening scene of my
book, and then I tell the storyof kind of how I got to my first
six-figure year as a result ofthat.
But there's been so many momentswhere it has not worked out, you
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know.
But I think just having thatconviction and having that
connection to what you reallywant, and then practicing giving
it to yourself and noticing howgood it feels, then you then
just become less and lessavailable for settling for
things that don't feel good toyou.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
I was gonna say so much of what you share in your
story is like risk taking andseeing it really pay out.
And I loved working with clientswhen we talk about building
self-trust, is there's alwaysthat narrative of what if it
like just goes absolutelyterribly?
And I go, well, if it can goabsolutely terribly, it can also
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go absolutely amazing.
But if you don't even try,you're never gonna know.
And I think part of learning howto build self-trust is when
things do go absolutelyterribly, when we do feel maybe
that sense of fear, maybe thatsense of urgency that, like, oh
shoot, like I don't know how I'mgonna make next month's ends
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meet or I don't know where mynext check is gonna come from.
Sometimes that is the motivatingfactor enough to say, you know
what, then it's up to me.
And I've got to figure this shitout and I've gotta keep it
rolling.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Yeah, and there's nothing more empowering than
digging yourself out of a hole.
Because yeah, then you don'tfeel as scared to take new risks
because you're like, yeah, I'vegot myself out of plenty of
holes in the past.
So if this goes wrong, then I'llstill be okay.
I'll still stand.
And I think that was definitelythe lesson for me from my Saturn
return.
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You know, and obviously itsounds like I'm so courageous
and I took all these risks, butlike at that time, it literally
felt like my back was againstthe wall and there was no other
option.
I think it really universeforced me to learn these
lessons, and I'm grateful thatit did.
SPEAKER_00 (13:58):
As someone in their Saturn return, I can say, yes,
it feels like a whirlwind rollercoaster, and then you are able
to look at it and say, okay,wow, thank you so much for that
lesson.
You actually taught me exactlywhat I needed to know to move
forward.
And speaking of fear and risks,why is it so damn scary for us
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to charge our worth?
Especially as helpingprofessionals, why do we feel
like this fear, this anxietywhen it comes to setting our
prices and setting our rates?
SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
Yeah, I I tell this story in my book, and I talk
about it a lot, where it's likeI explicitly remember sending my
biggest invoice today, and itwas for website copy and it was
for$3,000.
And literally my hands wereshaking, and my head was going,
like, they're never gonna paythis, they're gonna come at you.
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You're gonna get attacked forasking this much money.
Like, who are you?
How dare you?
Send the invoice.
They initially paid it.
I did the work.
SPEAKER_00 (15:03):
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SPEAKER_01 (15:36):
They were super happy with it.
But it's like, again, it's thatrisk of like, yeah, maybe this
person will come at you, ormaybe it'll be the best thing
that happened in your businessso far.
And, you know, the way that Ifeel the way that I got over
that ingrained fear was babystepping it.
And to answer your question,why, I think it's literally just
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decades and decades of culturalprogramming that we have no
value.
You know, whether you're awoman, whether you're a
minority, uh just constantlyhearing and seeing messages that
you are not the status quo.
You are not the patriarchalorder, the value system that we
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have all been raised in, thathas been set out for us.
Like we cannot underestimate thepower of these continual
messages in movies, on inadvertising, your teachers, even
your parents, like previousgenerations had these ingrained
thought systems that are justpervasive.
It's like we're swimming in it.
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And it's a fact of our history.
And whether or not you've been amore direct recipient of that
through like misogyny or racismor like gender phobic language
treatment, like in yourimmediate relationships,
especially in your upbringing,which you know does have the
biggest impact on our identity.
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This is the importance ofmindset work.
Just knowing that unless youlive in a tree and you are not
plugged in to the culture,you're constantly hearing
messages that like what youvalue isn't valued as highly as
other things.
We have to constantly reinforcethose messages for ourselves.
And that's what that dailymindset work is.
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Like I think about it, likebrushing your teeth.
You know, it's like if you don'twant your teeth to brought and
fall out and have stinky breath,we brush our teeth for five
minutes a day.
So if we want to have a healthyrelationship with money and the
financial system and the workingworld, we have to reinforce
these messages that what I valueis valuable, that what I have to
say is important, that there arepeople out there who agree with
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me and think I'm valuable andare excited to pay me.
And it can be fun and easy andrelaxing to make money in
alignment with my values withoutsacrificing my integrity or my
authenticity.
And, you know, that's reallythat consistent work that when
we operate from that worldviewand we plug that goal, I think
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of our brain as like a GPS.
We have to plug in thedestination that we want to end
up at.
So if we're focused on the fear,we're focused on what could go
wrong, likelihood is we'll playin defense or we'll just end up
there anyway, because that'swhat we're focused on.
So that's that daily mindset ofjust five, 10 minutes a day.
Where do you want to go?
What do you wish was true?
You know, like what is theprogram that you want to operate
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from?
So that we start to naturallymake decisions from that place.
And our intuition starts toguide us to solutions and people
and places where it's easy tolive out that worldview.
And then it, you know, itbecomes a self-fulfilling
prophecy.
And I used to listen to myaffirmations like every day.
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You know, when I was likewalking around the grocery store
or like brushing my teeth, Iwould just listen to the
affirmations on repeat.
And I noticed as they justslowly one by one started coming
true, you know, like little bylittle.
And that's really the power ofour own voice and the
conversations that we have withourselves.
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And then yeah, we might have tocreate new patterns and new
evidence.
And it's like that's the gapthat's challenging, right?
If we don't have any evidencethat I can make money doing this
work, or I can charge thisamount of money, or I can have
this much rest or freedom or joyor creative self-expression or
whatever it is that we want.
But we, yeah, we have to takethat risk and take that leap and
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just keep going after it untilwe start to get the evidence of
like, okay, well, that didn'tcompletely work out, but
progress is made, you know, orjust keep taking a step and
another step and another stepuntil we get where we're going.
And that's really the power ofmindset and that this whole, you
know, transformation with myrelationship with money showed
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me is that as long as you'refocused on what you actually
want, does it really matter howlong it takes to get there?
You know, as long as you'regonna end up where you actually
want to be.
And obviously, you know, weevolve and we can tweak and
change along the way.
But instead of just constantlysettling for the status quo,
giving ourselves permission tobe delusional and you know, stay
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connected to that vision andstay plugged in that vision and
just one day at a time movingtowards it.
SPEAKER_00 (20:19):
I recently just made a video about manifestation, and
I talked about programming atthe subconscious level.
And so listening to thoseaffirmations and truly embodying
the person that we say we are,being that person already,
making those connections, makingthose moves, uh, spending that
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time, living as if it ishappening.
And then you look at yourreality and you're like, damn,
this is like in the reality now.
And then we have new evidence,and then we have to integrate
that new evidence and to buildnew messages.
But it's amazing how when wejust give ourselves that
permission to be delusional, toembody it, to just allow
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ourselves to build a newnarrative for ourselves of what
can manifest in the tangible.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Yeah, and it might feel like it's taking a long
time, and then you look back andyou're like, oh, that was quick.
Don't underestimate the power ofyour focus.
SPEAKER_00 (21:20):
How do you incorporate astrology into your
work?
SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
When I discovered astrology, it just gave me so
much confirmation on things thatI'd been feeling intuitively
that had maybe been resisting.
And actually for me, a part ofit was sharing my story about my
trauma.
Like I really had a big questionmark over that because it
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obviously involves people in mylife, and it was really scary to
publicly share that for fear ofthe backlash that I might get.
And there was a particularplacement in my chart which
basically showed me that myintuition to talk about it was
gone with my chart placement.
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And I was like, wow, like thisis an incredibly powerful tool
for those of us who are inleadership, who are storytellers
and creatives, you know, who arecreating new pathways and new
ways of doing things.
Because the only way you cancreate something new is by
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trusting yourself, right?
Like that's literally the mostimportant skill.
If you want to create somethingthat you haven't experienced
before, but it's something thatyou desire, you're pretty much
taking action based on yourdesire, based on how you feel.
And, you know, as we've spokenabout, it's so easy for us to
just override our own innerauthority and be like, oh, well,
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no one else thinks this, so Imust be wrong, or no one else is
validating this, or no one elseis giving me permission, or
maybe there's not even a singleother piece of evidence that
what I want is possible becauseI want to do it in a new way.
And so I started bringing itinto my client work because, you
know, when you're trying tolead, you're trying to stand out
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online, you're trying to attractclients to buy your work, to do
your work, to build yourmission, you know, to create the
vision of the world that youwant to see through your work,
like you have to stand out.
And then, you know, there's somany people doing the work that
we do, no matter what your fieldyou're in, there's many other
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people who are doing it, right?
So why would somebody chooseyou?
The reason why anyone has everhired me, the reason why anyone
ever gets hired, when you are apersonal brand, when you're a
teacher, a leader, or just aprofessional who wants to have
influence on other people'slives, they choose to follow you
because they resonate with whoyou are.
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And our astrology chart is justa reflection of who we are.
It's like a map of our soul, ofour gifts, of our strengths, of
our challenges, of ourweaknesses.
And yeah, so sometimes it canfeel really scary to tell our
story and to share our truth,right?
Because of all of these patternsof not feeling safe to be who we
are and to think what we thinkand feel what we feel.
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And so it just creates thatextra layer of confidence and
certainty of like what you feelis right, you know, what you
feel is important and valuable,what you have to bring and
offer, it is really important.
And here's proof, you know?
And so I started creatingcontent prompts around my
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clients' astrology placement.
And we can also look at ourchallenges, you know, like
Chiron, for example, that's likeknown, it's an asteroid known as
the wounded healer.
And it's that one place in lifewhere you just keep falling flat
on your face.
And I remember when I learnedabout that, mine is in Gemini,
which is like the wound ofwords, right?
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And so often we lead from whatwe've overcome.
So we can look at Chiron, we canlook at Saturn, the the real
life challenges that we face.
Because usually when we face achallenge, we've had to build a
lot of strength and skill andresilience to overcome that.
And that this becomes reallyvaluable to be to share with
others, you know?
And so when I discovered thatand I realized that everybody
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has a Chiron placement, I waslike, oh, I'm not just weak and
broken and struggling and likeeveryone's better than me.
Like we tend to think sometimes.
It's like everyone's got theirshit, everyone's got their thing
that has them on their kneesover and over in their life,
that they're like, why?
You know, why does this keepholding me back?
Why do I keep falling on my facein this?
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Why is this so hard for me?
And so when I discovered that,you know, that really empowered
me to talk about my challengesas well as my Saturn placement.
And that just creates so muchrelatability, right?
Like, no one wants to learn froma leader who's like, it's always
gone well for me all the time.
Like, I've always done itperfectly.
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I'm just very good at this.
Nobody wants to learn from thatperson.
We want to learn from people whounderstand what we're going
through.
So they can empathize with us,so they can help us build a path
out of whatever challenge thatwe're facing.
And so these are really powerfulstories for us to share, as well
as obviously being really clearand confident in claiming our
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gift and claiming the thingsthat we are naturally really
good at, because that is anotherthing that we can benefit our
clients with.
So it became such a powerfultool for that.
And also for really pinpointing,like when we are struggling,
obviously, money, you know,there's so many places in the
chart that can show us where wehave challenges in behavior,
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patterns, subconscious locks,karma in our relationship with
money and our work and beingsuccessful at what it is that we
do.
And I think it's just such anempowering tool to be like, oh
yeah, this is just a challengethat I'm facing in this
lifetime.
But now I understand that aboutmyself, I can build systems and
build skills and build supportto help me to grow and to build
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overcome these challenges to,you know, get to the fullest
expression of myself.
And so, yeah, anytime you're indoubt about something, I find
it's such a great place to comeback and just be grounded to
remind yourself who you are andto just keep going.
SPEAKER_00 (27:30):
I love that you emphasize the value in
highlighting what sets you apartbecause a lot of service
providers will promise theoutcomes, promise the
deliverables.
And so if everyone is making thesame promise, we've got to lean
into what sets us apart.
We've got to allow ourselves tobe different, allow our
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messaging to look differentbecause that's what's going to
resonate with people.
That's what's going to drawpeople in, is having a similar
sun sign as you, or having asimilar music artist, or knowing
that you've experienced achallenge that they're going to
be looking for support in.
Allow some relatability and ittakes us off of this pedestal
(28:13):
that we have it all figured out,that we've done it perfectly,
that we have crushed it everysingle time, because the reality
is we probably have not crushedit every single time.
And now we have the skills to atleast support people and being
able to make their differentchoices.
I always think of astrology as ablueprint for working smarter,
(28:35):
not harder.
So when I started learning moreabout my own chart, especially
my Chiron as a relationaltherapist, I was like, okay,
this allows me to work in morelike energetic alignment.
SPEAKER_01 (28:50):
Yeah, and I think it can save a lot of time and
energy of trial and error,especially when we're learning
from mentors or we're learningnew skills, especially in the
online space.
There's nothing wrong with doingit the way that somebody's
taught you.
But I think we can quitenaturally and unconsciously
start doing it like the peoplethat we're learning from, which
(29:10):
can lead to everyone soundingthe same and everyone kind of
like blending into the noise andit not feeling as like
comfortable or committed to saythe things that we really want
to say and really tell the truthof our story, which, like you
say, those are the pieces ofcontent that really make you
stand out to people and reallyhelp people get to know you.
And we can also look at ourseventh house for your like
(29:34):
client compatibility as well asthe ruler of your fourth house.
These are good things to lookinto to really get insights
around well, who are my mostcompatible clients and what are
the qualities that they'reseeking in me that I can really
make very, very obvious and leadwith because yeah, everyone's
different, you know, even ifyou're doing a very similar type
(29:56):
of service, we all have aConvergence of all of our
different chapters, all of ourdifferent skills, everything
that we've lived through orovercome or succeeded at or
learned really blends into whatmakes us unique and what makes
us uniquely positioned to bereally, really good at helping
very specific people.
(30:16):
So the more clear you can get onreally like what does it look
like when you're doing your bestwork?
Who are the people that you canactually help the most?
When you can position your brandstorytelling around these
topics, that when that's whenyou can significantly raise your
prices and attract really thatthose like soulmate client
(30:38):
relationships that just feeleffortless to work with and are
so joyful, and sales becomeseasy, and you can build a brand
where you really just get toshow off and be fully yourself,
which is just the ultimatefreedom, right?
SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
What's a mindset hack or an affirmation that has
allowed you to work on receivingmoney?
Like being able to sit with yourrates, sit with what you have to
offer, and accept that and knowthat the right people will cling
(31:13):
to it and happily work with you.
SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
I think honestly, well, I share this in my book
and I call it the post-it notestrategy.
And it's literally just pickingmy number and writing it on a
post-it note and having a numbergoal and being really specific
with my number goal and thenjust continuing to focus on it
every day, to write it downmultiple times a day, to really,
(31:41):
I think, get your nervous systemfamiliar with this amount of
money, this actual dollaramount.
Because, like I said, whateveryou focus on, you're naturally
going to start to gravitatetowards that.
And that was really like myentire journey to my first six
figure year was just focusing ona new number and really being
willing to obviously takedifferent action every day.
(32:02):
And my intuition would just leadme.
Well, things would get myattention.
I'd be like, oh, what's thisabout brand positioning?
Maybe I should learn about.
Oh, what's this abouthigh-ticket sales?
Maybe I should learn about that,right?
And just take baby step by babystep.
If you take tiny steps one dayat a time, yeah, maybe it might
take you a little bit to getthere, but you'll get there if
you keep focusing on it and youkeep focusing on that dollar
(32:25):
amount.
And then obviously there's amillion different ways to make a
certain dollar amount, and thenyou just get to continue to
tweak and refine the way thatyou're doing it until you're
making the money that you wantin the way that you want to.
Yeah, I am definitely gonnaborrow that because I've fed in
the poster knock.
Put it on your laptop, put it onyour desk, and write it down a
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few times a day and just be likewhat I'm choosing to make.
SPEAKER_00 (32:51):
I love that you even include too, it's like getting
your nervous system used toreceiving that money because we
can receive it and maybe thenfeel like we've got it, we won't
know how to hold it.
And so getting your nervoussystem in a position to see this
number, to sit with this, seewhat it would feel like, and
getting yourself used to it.
And then ultimately working upto the belief that you do
(33:15):
deserve to make this number ordeserve to make this living or
have this lifestyle.
SPEAKER_01 (33:20):
Right.
Cause think about it, you pick agoal, and maybe the first
chapter of moving towards thatgoal is I have no idea how I'd
make that money.
Or I have an idea how I'd makeit, but I don't really want to
do.
So, you know, the questionsstart to arise, right?
And like just asking powerfulquestions, like, okay, well, how
do I want to make this money?
(33:40):
And then you slowly you're gonnastart to answer that question,
and then you're gonna come upwith a plan and you're gonna be
like, oh, I can see how I couldmake this money in a way that's
fun and exciting to me.
Okay, like what's the nextquestion that you have?
What skill gap do you need toclose?
What questions do you needanswering?
What support do you need?
What actions do you need totake?
And if you keep moving towardsit, like you'll figure it out
(34:03):
and eventually you're gonna getthere.
And imagine, but it's likesometimes the opportunities are
there, but we're not seeingthem, right?
And I would always see this withmyself.
Like whenever I got back into ascarcity spiral and I was like,
oh, I'm not gonna have enoughmoney to pay my bills, where's
the money gonna come from?
Oh my god, freaking out,freaking out.
And then I would sit down, do mymoney mindset work, focus on my
(34:23):
goals, do my informations, openup my inbox and see that there
was actually emails in therefrom people who wanted to work
with me, but I did not see thembecause I was in an anxiety
spiral.
So imagine when you're thatfocus and you're like, I'm ready
to receive this.
I'm open to receive this.
This is my goal.
You know, when an opportunitycomes up and you're like, oh, I
(34:45):
can see how this fits into myplan or this would help me meet
my goal, you're like, you see itmore as I choose this, you know,
I'm choosing this.
Even if it's really scary, evenif there's still all these
limiting beliefs, like me when Iwas sending out my biggest
invoice, like you're more likelyto do it and to make that move,
or make that ask, or that pitch,or say yes, or bunk your price
(35:08):
up, and you know, to choose tobe actively working towards the
actual dollar amount that youwant.
And I think that's honestly thebiggest thing that holds people
back with money is that we'rejust not focused on it.
Like, and there's a reason.
You know, there's a reason whysex and money are taboo topics.
The church didn't like it,right?
(35:29):
It's like, well, it disempowerspeople, it keeps people out of
powerful spaces when we are notin touch with the same stamps
bring us the most power.
And so having that conversationwith yourself every day, just
being with your money, askingquestions, making moves, taking
actions, learning, educating,skill building.
(35:49):
The only, only, only thingbetween where you are now and
where you want to be financiallyis a skill gap.
It's just learning skills thatyou get more comfortable and
more capable implementing.
It's not because you're not goodenough.
It's not because you're notworthy, it's not because you're
destined to failure.
You have the capacity to buildthe skills to live the life that
(36:11):
you want.
And I think that's just the mostempowering mindset to
continually stay with every day.
SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
Yeah.
Sarah, this is so gonna resonatewith my audience.
And I thank you so much for allthe wisdom that you have brought
to this space and just forsharing your story and the
strategies.
I certainly am taking somethingaway from this conversation.
How can people find you?
What are some of your offeringsthat you have right now?
SPEAKER_01 (36:37):
Thank you so much for having me in this
conversation.
Yeah, you can find me at withSarahMac.com.
You can find my book on Amazon.
It's called The Six FigureCreative, Heal Your Relationship
with Money, Doing Work You Love.
My name's Sarah Mac and Macy.
And you can find me on Instagramat Sarah MacMagic.
And my podcast is the CreativeMagic Club, where I'm having a
lot more conversations aboutmoney and astrology and content
(37:00):
strategy and all the thingsentrepreneurship.
I would love to say hi, send mea DM, let me know what landed
with you, and I can't wait toshare more.
SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
So, as a closing question, I have been asking my
guests what their commitment wasto themselves for 2025, but I
have changed that question.
As we head towards the tail end,the last six months of this
year.
What is one word that woulddescribe how you want to feel by
(37:34):
the end of this year?
SPEAKER_01 (37:36):
Well, the word that came to mind is pregnant, which
that's my call this year.
But when I am pregnant, I wantto be relaxed.
I want to be a relaxed pregnantlady by the end of this year.
So hold that version for me,please.
SPEAKER_00 (37:53):
And I love that you just spoke that and shared that
into the universe.
And I love that for you.
And I can hope to continuewatching your journey.
Thank you so much for comingtoday.
Thank you so much.
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I am so excited for my guesttoday.
She is the author of thesix-figure creative.
She works with astrology,business building, and really
supporting folks in learning howto amplify their voice, building
communities that aresustainable, and building
business systems that aresustainable.
Sarah, thank you so much forjoining me today.
SPEAKER_01 (00:46):
Hi, Jasmine.
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (00:49):
So tell my audience a little bit about your work.
We're going to dive in aboutmoney wounds, why it's so tricky
for people to talk about money.
But I'd first love for people toget a better understanding of
your background.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
Yeah, so I am a Leo son and I've always been very
creative.
And pretty much my wholechildhood, I was told, you can't
have a career in the artsbecause you'll be broke.
And so I kind of gave up theidea of being in theater.
And I discovered film.
And it felt like an industrywhere there was a capacity to
(01:25):
earn decent money while also,you know, being creative and
being in the arts.
And so I worked in film for afew years after graduating from
university.
And then it was right around thetime of my Saturn's return.
I was taking a master's in filmstudies in Montreal.
I was working in the summers onfilm sets and studying in the
(01:51):
winters.
And I had a giant burnout.
And I had really bad chronicfatigue for about five years.
And I just did not know what wasgoing on with my health.
All I knew is like I couldn'twork in film anymore because it
was, you know, like 12 to 18hour plus days sometimes.
Lots of driving, going out onfilm sets all over.
(02:14):
And I knew that it wasn't reallycreatively fulfilling me working
on a film crews.
You know, it felt kind of like Iwas in the army, like what sort
of driving up mountains and likemoving furniture and things like
this.
And I felt like I wanted to beable to express my voice.
And um I loved traveling.
So I thought it would be reallyfun to have an online business.
(02:37):
And I thought I would have to goback to school and you know, it
would take me years to retrain.
But I got an invitation from afriend of mine to go out to Bali
in Indonesia and be like asocial media manager for her
online wellness company.
And I was like, oh my God, likethis is the breadcrumb that
leading me in the direction thatI want to go.
(02:57):
So I put all my stuff instorage, quit the film industry,
went out there.
And that's when I discoveredthat I was really good at
writing.
And I just did not considermyself a writer before then.
But I was chiming in on meetingsaround her website copy.
And my friend was like, Oh,you're really good at this.
And there were another couple ofwriters out there, freelance
(03:18):
writers living in Bali.
And so I was so nervous, youknow, and I asked one of them to
go for lunch.
And I was like, Do you think Icould be a writer?
And she like asked me all thesequestions.
And, you know, she was like,Yeah, it seems like you have a
lot of experience in writing,and you know, this is kind of
how you start to get freelancework online.
So I really just was like, Thisis my, you know, divine like
(03:41):
initiation into onlineentrepreneurship.
And I was surprisingly, I juststarted getting clients very
quickly.
It took me a good few months.
Just I put a profile up onFiverr and, you know, was like
massively undercharging for mywork because I had no confidence
and was figuring out how to, youknow, make gigs and create
(04:01):
different pieces of digitalmarketing for other
entrepreneurs.
And that's really what kind ofrebirthed my life into
entrepreneurship.
And suddenly I had to pick myprices and, you know, I had to
navigate financial organizationand just all of these other
skills that I did not have.
And it started to bring up a lotof just those old wounds around
(04:25):
not feeling valuable or feelinglike I couldn't charge good
money for my creativity.
Um, and I really had to do thework to look at the root cause
of those belief systems andthose emotional patterns that
were just really I was freakingout about raising my prices and
asking for more money.
And I just didn't feel like itworthy.
I didn't feel like I it wouldwork or that people would really
(04:48):
value me or my creativity.
And I had to do a lot of workaround that.
And it kind of led me on thisdown the rabbit hole on all of
my childhood trauma.
And it, you know, and I waslooking at where these stories
really came from.
And I did a lot of hiddentherapy and energy healing work
(05:09):
and really had to rebuild myidentity and my belief system
around my worth as a creative.
And eventually led me to unearthsome like hidden memories of
childhood sexual trauma that hadbeen suppressed.
And they didn't really, thememories didn't come up until
I'd healed a lot of theemotional, like suppressed
emotions around it.
(05:30):
And it was kind of like thefinal puzzle piece that was
like, oh, like no wonder I feelgood about myself, you know?
Where I just hadn't felt like Iwas capable of creating a sense
of security or safety for myselfas a child.
And so all of these emotionswere really being triggered in
my relationship with money as Iwent into entrepreneurship.
(05:51):
And I would just, you know, Ifound it so difficult to sit
down and look at my numbers andeven sending out invoices, like
all of these, you know, veryimportant activities that your
well-being and survival andsecurity really depend on when
you're an entrepreneur and youhave your own business.
So yeah, it took a lot for me tokind of process that.
(06:13):
And obviously, being British, wedon't tend to deal with our
emotions very well or talk aboutthem or have tools to deal with
them.
So I had to build a whole newtoolkit and was like, you know
what?
I the universe didn't give me achoice.
Like I had to learn to feel myfeelings and really take care of
myself at a new level.
And so I started a copywritingagency.
I was writing a lot of copy for,you know, more than a thousand
(06:37):
different types of digitalentrepreneurs.
And I really honed in on workingwith women.
I started attracting coaches.
And I started seeing that youcan have the most strategically
perfectly written piece of copyor launch content or Facebook ad
or whatever.
But if your mindset isn't thereto back it, to really feel
(06:58):
confident to pitch, to reallyfeel worthy to receive, to
really follow through on, youknow, landing the client, making
the sales, being visible anddoing it consistently, that
like, you know, those two thingsreally come hand in hand.
And so that's what inspired meto launch my coaching business.
And I really started focusing onthe mindset work that had just
(07:20):
made such a big difference forme.
You know, I doubled my incometwo years in a row.
I replaced my film, uh,freelance film income within a
year of beginning freelancewriting work.
Then I launched my copywritingagency, I doubled my income from
like 25K to 50K, and then Ilaunched my coaching business
and I doubled my income from 50Kto 100K.
(07:41):
And, you know, I wasworkingless, I was traveling the
world to 18 countries, I was,you know, really just felt so
free and like I could share myvoice and impact communities
that I cared about.
I would had time to pour in somemusic and writing, and I really
felt like I'd created thecreatively free and fully
expressed life that I was reallycraving.
(08:03):
So yeah, that's kind of how Istumbled into this work.
unknown (08:07):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
I love, I mean, first, thank you so much for
sharing so much of your story.
And I feel like so many withinmy audience can resonate, but I
I cannot help but pick out thethe fact or the idea that
creating a stronger sense ofself, uh feeling safe and secure
(08:32):
enough within ourselves to jumpinto entrepreneurship really
lays like the foundation for howwe approach our business.
And I would love to hear yourthoughts on that.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
Yeah, you know what?
I I always now, you know, it'slike you never know where the
breadcrumbs are leading, right?
When you're like being called ina new direction, but then when
it kind of lands and takesshape, you can look backwards
and be like, now I can see thatthere were breadcrumbs even
earlier on that I didn't realizewere breadcrumbs, you know.
I think, you know, one of themajor moments that stand out for
(09:08):
me was so obviously because ofmy background, I always just had
this urge to like get out ofdodge.
Like I did not want to be inEngland.
I always wanted to travel.
I always just felt safer, likenot being in my home country.
And I didn't make thatconnection, obviously, until
later.
But um also I have a Sagittariussporthouse.
So I just, you know, I traveland I move a lot.
(09:30):
And when I decided to book aone-way ticket out to Vancouver
to go and work in the filmindustry there, I applied for
like a year-long working visa.
I'd been working in TV and filmin the UK and was kind of like,
is this it?
You know, is this just like mycareer forever and ever?
Like I wasn't really ready tolike settle down.
And I knew that there wasbeautiful mountains there and
(09:51):
you know, it was more sunny.
And I was like, I might as wellgo and do this job in a
beautiful new place and have anadventure.
And I had about enough money forI think about a month saved up.
And you know, it's verychallenging to get film work in
London because there's a lot ofgatekeeping, and people will
tell you, you know, oh, you haveto intern for free for a year
(10:14):
before someone will hire you.
And, you know, that wasn't anoption for me.
But thankfully, I because Istarted working in Manchester,
I, you know, found work, but Iwas very prepared for it to be
challenging for me to break intoan industry in a completely new
city where I knew no one.
Anyway, I got there, and turnsout film is one of the biggest
(10:35):
industries in Vancouver, andpretty much everybody works in
film.
So it was like very easy to findopportunities and just having
that experience of like taking arisk, taking the leap, and
landing on my feet, you know,and so many people helped me.
And I think that's the magic ofreally being on your own
sometimes, you know, it's likeyou're very open and receptive
(10:57):
to everything around you.
Like I met this incredible womanat uh an estate sale, and she
helped get all of this furniturefor me for my apartment.
She worked in film, she hookedme up with this incredible job.
She like lent me her laptop, youknow, and I just I was met with
so much generosity and it justcompletely shifted my view of
the world.
And I think it it just gave mean example of like when you take
(11:21):
a risk, it might work outamazing, you know?
Like, yeah, it might not work,but it also might work amazing.
And I think that's what gave methe confidence to start to take
more leaps because it was like,well, why would I not risk it
working out amazing?
You know, like and I think Ithink that made a big difference
in, you know, being having theconfidence to then take bigger
(11:42):
and bigger leaps and to trustmyself.
And you know, there's plenty oftimes where I've like I took
that leap to Bali and that jobthat I went out for completely
fell apart after a few weeks,and I was like really fucked.
And that's you know, kind ofwhere the opening scene of my
book, and then I tell the storyof kind of how I got to my first
six-figure year as a result ofthat.
But there's been so many momentswhere it has not worked out, you
(12:05):
know.
But I think just having thatconviction and having that
connection to what you reallywant, and then practicing giving
it to yourself and noticing howgood it feels, then you then
just become less and lessavailable for settling for
things that don't feel good toyou.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
I was gonna say so much of what you share in your
story is like risk taking andseeing it really pay out.
And I loved working with clientswhen we talk about building
self-trust, is there's alwaysthat narrative of what if it
like just goes absolutelyterribly?
And I go, well, if it can goabsolutely terribly, it can also
(12:47):
go absolutely amazing.
But if you don't even try,you're never gonna know.
And I think part of learning howto build self-trust is when
things do go absolutelyterribly, when we do feel maybe
that sense of fear, maybe thatsense of urgency that, like, oh
shoot, like I don't know how I'mgonna make next month's ends
(13:08):
meet or I don't know where mynext check is gonna come from.
Sometimes that is the motivatingfactor enough to say, you know
what, then it's up to me.
And I've got to figure this shitout and I've gotta keep it
rolling.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Yeah, and there's nothing more empowering than
digging yourself out of a hole.
Because yeah, then you don'tfeel as scared to take new risks
because you're like, yeah, I'vegot myself out of plenty of
holes in the past.
So if this goes wrong, then I'llstill be okay.
I'll still stand.
And I think that was definitelythe lesson for me from my Saturn
return.
(13:42):
You know, and obviously itsounds like I'm so courageous
and I took all these risks, butlike at that time, it literally
felt like my back was againstthe wall and there was no other
option.
I think it really universeforced me to learn these
lessons, and I'm grateful thatit did.
SPEAKER_00 (13:58):
As someone in their Saturn return, I can say, yes,
it feels like a whirlwind rollercoaster, and then you are able
to look at it and say, okay,wow, thank you so much for that
lesson.
You actually taught me exactlywhat I needed to know to move
forward.
And speaking of fear and risks,why is it so damn scary for us
(14:18):
to charge our worth?
Especially as helpingprofessionals, why do we feel
like this fear, this anxietywhen it comes to setting our
prices and setting our rates?
SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
Yeah, I I tell this story in my book, and I talk
about it a lot, where it's likeI explicitly remember sending my
biggest invoice today, and itwas for website copy and it was
for$3,000.
And literally my hands wereshaking, and my head was going,
like, they're never gonna paythis, they're gonna come at you.
(14:54):
You're gonna get attacked forasking this much money.
Like, who are you?
How dare you?
Send the invoice.
They initially paid it.
I did the work.
SPEAKER_00 (15:03):
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SPEAKER_01 (15:36):
They were super happy with it.
But it's like, again, it's thatrisk of like, yeah, maybe this
person will come at you, ormaybe it'll be the best thing
that happened in your businessso far.
And, you know, the way that Ifeel the way that I got over
that ingrained fear was babystepping it.
And to answer your question,why, I think it's literally just
(15:57):
decades and decades of culturalprogramming that we have no
value.
You know, whether you're awoman, whether you're a
minority, uh just constantlyhearing and seeing messages that
you are not the status quo.
You are not the patriarchalorder, the value system that we
(16:18):
have all been raised in, thathas been set out for us.
Like we cannot underestimate thepower of these continual
messages in movies, on inadvertising, your teachers, even
your parents, like previousgenerations had these ingrained
thought systems that are justpervasive.
It's like we're swimming in it.
(16:38):
And it's a fact of our history.
And whether or not you've been amore direct recipient of that
through like misogyny or racismor like gender phobic language
treatment, like in yourimmediate relationships,
especially in your upbringing,which you know does have the
biggest impact on our identity.
(17:00):
This is the importance ofmindset work.
Just knowing that unless youlive in a tree and you are not
plugged in to the culture,you're constantly hearing
messages that like what youvalue isn't valued as highly as
other things.
We have to constantly reinforcethose messages for ourselves.
And that's what that dailymindset work is.
(17:20):
Like I think about it, likebrushing your teeth.
You know, it's like if you don'twant your teeth to brought and
fall out and have stinky breath,we brush our teeth for five
minutes a day.
So if we want to have a healthyrelationship with money and the
financial system and the workingworld, we have to reinforce
these messages that what I valueis valuable, that what I have to
say is important, that there arepeople out there who agree with
(17:42):
me and think I'm valuable andare excited to pay me.
And it can be fun and easy andrelaxing to make money in
alignment with my values withoutsacrificing my integrity or my
authenticity.
And, you know, that's reallythat consistent work that when
we operate from that worldviewand we plug that goal, I think
(18:04):
of our brain as like a GPS.
We have to plug in thedestination that we want to end
up at.
So if we're focused on the fear,we're focused on what could go
wrong, likelihood is we'll playin defense or we'll just end up
there anyway, because that'swhat we're focused on.
So that's that daily mindset ofjust five, 10 minutes a day.
Where do you want to go?
What do you wish was true?
You know, like what is theprogram that you want to operate
(18:27):
from?
So that we start to naturallymake decisions from that place.
And our intuition starts toguide us to solutions and people
and places where it's easy tolive out that worldview.
And then it, you know, itbecomes a self-fulfilling
prophecy.
And I used to listen to myaffirmations like every day.
(18:47):
You know, when I was likewalking around the grocery store
or like brushing my teeth, Iwould just listen to the
affirmations on repeat.
And I noticed as they justslowly one by one started coming
true, you know, like little bylittle.
And that's really the power ofour own voice and the
conversations that we have withourselves.
(19:09):
And then yeah, we might have tocreate new patterns and new
evidence.
And it's like that's the gapthat's challenging, right?
If we don't have any evidencethat I can make money doing this
work, or I can charge thisamount of money, or I can have
this much rest or freedom or joyor creative self-expression or
whatever it is that we want.
But we, yeah, we have to takethat risk and take that leap and
(19:29):
just keep going after it untilwe start to get the evidence of
like, okay, well, that didn'tcompletely work out, but
progress is made, you know, orjust keep taking a step and
another step and another stepuntil we get where we're going.
And that's really the power ofmindset and that this whole, you
know, transformation with myrelationship with money showed
(19:50):
me is that as long as you'refocused on what you actually
want, does it really matter howlong it takes to get there?
You know, as long as you'regonna end up where you actually
want to be.
And obviously, you know, weevolve and we can tweak and
change along the way.
But instead of just constantlysettling for the status quo,
giving ourselves permission tobe delusional and you know, stay
(20:12):
connected to that vision andstay plugged in that vision and
just one day at a time movingtowards it.
SPEAKER_00 (20:19):
I recently just made a video about manifestation, and
I talked about programming atthe subconscious level.
And so listening to thoseaffirmations and truly embodying
the person that we say we are,being that person already,
making those connections, makingthose moves, uh, spending that
(20:40):
time, living as if it ishappening.
And then you look at yourreality and you're like, damn,
this is like in the reality now.
And then we have new evidence,and then we have to integrate
that new evidence and to buildnew messages.
But it's amazing how when wejust give ourselves that
permission to be delusional, toembody it, to just allow
(21:03):
ourselves to build a newnarrative for ourselves of what
can manifest in the tangible.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Yeah, and it might feel like it's taking a long
time, and then you look back andyou're like, oh, that was quick.
Don't underestimate the power ofyour focus.
SPEAKER_00 (21:20):
How do you incorporate astrology into your
work?
SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
When I discovered astrology, it just gave me so
much confirmation on things thatI'd been feeling intuitively
that had maybe been resisting.
And actually for me, a part ofit was sharing my story about my
trauma.
Like I really had a big questionmark over that because it
(21:46):
obviously involves people in mylife, and it was really scary to
publicly share that for fear ofthe backlash that I might get.
And there was a particularplacement in my chart which
basically showed me that myintuition to talk about it was
gone with my chart placement.
(22:09):
And I was like, wow, like thisis an incredibly powerful tool
for those of us who are inleadership, who are storytellers
and creatives, you know, who arecreating new pathways and new
ways of doing things.
Because the only way you cancreate something new is by
(22:31):
trusting yourself, right?
Like that's literally the mostimportant skill.
If you want to create somethingthat you haven't experienced
before, but it's something thatyou desire, you're pretty much
taking action based on yourdesire, based on how you feel.
And, you know, as we've spokenabout, it's so easy for us to
just override our own innerauthority and be like, oh, well,
(22:52):
no one else thinks this, so Imust be wrong, or no one else is
validating this, or no one elseis giving me permission, or
maybe there's not even a singleother piece of evidence that
what I want is possible becauseI want to do it in a new way.
And so I started bringing itinto my client work because, you
know, when you're trying tolead, you're trying to stand out
(23:14):
online, you're trying to attractclients to buy your work, to do
your work, to build yourmission, you know, to create the
vision of the world that youwant to see through your work,
like you have to stand out.
And then, you know, there's somany people doing the work that
we do, no matter what your fieldyou're in, there's many other
(23:37):
people who are doing it, right?
So why would somebody chooseyou?
The reason why anyone has everhired me, the reason why anyone
ever gets hired, when you are apersonal brand, when you're a
teacher, a leader, or just aprofessional who wants to have
influence on other people'slives, they choose to follow you
because they resonate with whoyou are.
(23:58):
And our astrology chart is justa reflection of who we are.
It's like a map of our soul, ofour gifts, of our strengths, of
our challenges, of ourweaknesses.
And yeah, so sometimes it canfeel really scary to tell our
story and to share our truth,right?
Because of all of these patternsof not feeling safe to be who we
are and to think what we thinkand feel what we feel.
(24:18):
And so it just creates thatextra layer of confidence and
certainty of like what you feelis right, you know, what you
feel is important and valuable,what you have to bring and
offer, it is really important.
And here's proof, you know?
And so I started creatingcontent prompts around my
(24:40):
clients' astrology placement.
And we can also look at ourchallenges, you know, like
Chiron, for example, that's likeknown, it's an asteroid known as
the wounded healer.
And it's that one place in lifewhere you just keep falling flat
on your face.
And I remember when I learnedabout that, mine is in Gemini,
which is like the wound ofwords, right?
(25:00):
And so often we lead from whatwe've overcome.
So we can look at Chiron, we canlook at Saturn, the the real
life challenges that we face.
Because usually when we face achallenge, we've had to build a
lot of strength and skill andresilience to overcome that.
And that this becomes reallyvaluable to be to share with
others, you know?
And so when I discovered thatand I realized that everybody
(25:23):
has a Chiron placement, I waslike, oh, I'm not just weak and
broken and struggling and likeeveryone's better than me.
Like we tend to think sometimes.
It's like everyone's got theirshit, everyone's got their thing
that has them on their kneesover and over in their life,
that they're like, why?
You know, why does this keepholding me back?
Why do I keep falling on my facein this?
(25:43):
Why is this so hard for me?
And so when I discovered that,you know, that really empowered
me to talk about my challengesas well as my Saturn placement.
And that just creates so muchrelatability, right?
Like, no one wants to learn froma leader who's like, it's always
gone well for me all the time.
Like, I've always done itperfectly.
(26:04):
I'm just very good at this.
Nobody wants to learn from thatperson.
We want to learn from people whounderstand what we're going
through.
So they can empathize with us,so they can help us build a path
out of whatever challenge thatwe're facing.
And so these are really powerfulstories for us to share, as well
as obviously being really clearand confident in claiming our
(26:25):
gift and claiming the thingsthat we are naturally really
good at, because that is anotherthing that we can benefit our
clients with.
So it became such a powerfultool for that.
And also for really pinpointing,like when we are struggling,
obviously, money, you know,there's so many places in the
chart that can show us where wehave challenges in behavior,
(26:47):
patterns, subconscious locks,karma in our relationship with
money and our work and beingsuccessful at what it is that we
do.
And I think it's just such anempowering tool to be like, oh
yeah, this is just a challengethat I'm facing in this
lifetime.
But now I understand that aboutmyself, I can build systems and
build skills and build supportto help me to grow and to build
(27:12):
overcome these challenges to,you know, get to the fullest
expression of myself.
And so, yeah, anytime you're indoubt about something, I find
it's such a great place to comeback and just be grounded to
remind yourself who you are andto just keep going.
SPEAKER_00 (27:30):
I love that you emphasize the value in
highlighting what sets you apartbecause a lot of service
providers will promise theoutcomes, promise the
deliverables.
And so if everyone is making thesame promise, we've got to lean
into what sets us apart.
We've got to allow ourselves tobe different, allow our
(27:51):
messaging to look differentbecause that's what's going to
resonate with people.
That's what's going to drawpeople in, is having a similar
sun sign as you, or having asimilar music artist, or knowing
that you've experienced achallenge that they're going to
be looking for support in.
Allow some relatability and ittakes us off of this pedestal
(28:13):
that we have it all figured out,that we've done it perfectly,
that we have crushed it everysingle time, because the reality
is we probably have not crushedit every single time.
And now we have the skills to atleast support people and being
able to make their differentchoices.
I always think of astrology as ablueprint for working smarter,
(28:35):
not harder.
So when I started learning moreabout my own chart, especially
my Chiron as a relationaltherapist, I was like, okay,
this allows me to work in morelike energetic alignment.
SPEAKER_01 (28:50):
Yeah, and I think it can save a lot of time and
energy of trial and error,especially when we're learning
from mentors or we're learningnew skills, especially in the
online space.
There's nothing wrong with doingit the way that somebody's
taught you.
But I think we can quitenaturally and unconsciously
start doing it like the peoplethat we're learning from, which
(29:10):
can lead to everyone soundingthe same and everyone kind of
like blending into the noise andit not feeling as like
comfortable or committed to saythe things that we really want
to say and really tell the truthof our story, which, like you
say, those are the pieces ofcontent that really make you
stand out to people and reallyhelp people get to know you.
And we can also look at ourseventh house for your like
(29:34):
client compatibility as well asthe ruler of your fourth house.
These are good things to lookinto to really get insights
around well, who are my mostcompatible clients and what are
the qualities that they'reseeking in me that I can really
make very, very obvious and leadwith because yeah, everyone's
different, you know, even ifyou're doing a very similar type
(29:56):
of service, we all have aConvergence of all of our
different chapters, all of ourdifferent skills, everything
that we've lived through orovercome or succeeded at or
learned really blends into whatmakes us unique and what makes
us uniquely positioned to bereally, really good at helping
very specific people.
(30:16):
So the more clear you can get onreally like what does it look
like when you're doing your bestwork?
Who are the people that you canactually help the most?
When you can position your brandstorytelling around these
topics, that when that's whenyou can significantly raise your
prices and attract really thatthose like soulmate client
(30:38):
relationships that just feeleffortless to work with and are
so joyful, and sales becomeseasy, and you can build a brand
where you really just get toshow off and be fully yourself,
which is just the ultimatefreedom, right?
SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
What's a mindset hack or an affirmation that has
allowed you to work on receivingmoney?
Like being able to sit with yourrates, sit with what you have to
offer, and accept that and knowthat the right people will cling
(31:13):
to it and happily work with you.
SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
I think honestly, well, I share this in my book
and I call it the post-it notestrategy.
And it's literally just pickingmy number and writing it on a
post-it note and having a numbergoal and being really specific
with my number goal and thenjust continuing to focus on it
every day, to write it downmultiple times a day, to really,
(31:41):
I think, get your nervous systemfamiliar with this amount of
money, this actual dollaramount.
Because, like I said, whateveryou focus on, you're naturally
going to start to gravitatetowards that.
And that was really like myentire journey to my first six
figure year was just focusing ona new number and really being
willing to obviously takedifferent action every day.
(32:02):
And my intuition would just leadme.
Well, things would get myattention.
I'd be like, oh, what's thisabout brand positioning?
Maybe I should learn about.
Oh, what's this abouthigh-ticket sales?
Maybe I should learn about that,right?
And just take baby step by babystep.
If you take tiny steps one dayat a time, yeah, maybe it might
take you a little bit to getthere, but you'll get there if
you keep focusing on it and youkeep focusing on that dollar
(32:25):
amount.
And then obviously there's amillion different ways to make a
certain dollar amount, and thenyou just get to continue to
tweak and refine the way thatyou're doing it until you're
making the money that you wantin the way that you want to.
Yeah, I am definitely gonnaborrow that because I've fed in
the poster knock.
Put it on your laptop, put it onyour desk, and write it down a
(32:46):
few times a day and just be likewhat I'm choosing to make.
SPEAKER_00 (32:51):
I love that you even include too, it's like getting
your nervous system used toreceiving that money because we
can receive it and maybe thenfeel like we've got it, we won't
know how to hold it.
And so getting your nervoussystem in a position to see this
number, to sit with this, seewhat it would feel like, and
getting yourself used to it.
And then ultimately working upto the belief that you do
(33:15):
deserve to make this number ordeserve to make this living or
have this lifestyle.
SPEAKER_01 (33:20):
Right.
Cause think about it, you pick agoal, and maybe the first
chapter of moving towards thatgoal is I have no idea how I'd
make that money.
Or I have an idea how I'd makeit, but I don't really want to
do.
So, you know, the questionsstart to arise, right?
And like just asking powerfulquestions, like, okay, well, how
do I want to make this money?
(33:40):
And then you slowly you're gonnastart to answer that question,
and then you're gonna come upwith a plan and you're gonna be
like, oh, I can see how I couldmake this money in a way that's
fun and exciting to me.
Okay, like what's the nextquestion that you have?
What skill gap do you need toclose?
What questions do you needanswering?
What support do you need?
What actions do you need totake?
And if you keep moving towardsit, like you'll figure it out
(34:03):
and eventually you're gonna getthere.
And imagine, but it's likesometimes the opportunities are
there, but we're not seeingthem, right?
And I would always see this withmyself.
Like whenever I got back into ascarcity spiral and I was like,
oh, I'm not gonna have enoughmoney to pay my bills, where's
the money gonna come from?
Oh my god, freaking out,freaking out.
And then I would sit down, do mymoney mindset work, focus on my
(34:23):
goals, do my informations, openup my inbox and see that there
was actually emails in therefrom people who wanted to work
with me, but I did not see thembecause I was in an anxiety
spiral.
So imagine when you're thatfocus and you're like, I'm ready
to receive this.
I'm open to receive this.
This is my goal.
You know, when an opportunitycomes up and you're like, oh, I
(34:45):
can see how this fits into myplan or this would help me meet
my goal, you're like, you see itmore as I choose this, you know,
I'm choosing this.
Even if it's really scary, evenif there's still all these
limiting beliefs, like me when Iwas sending out my biggest
invoice, like you're more likelyto do it and to make that move,
or make that ask, or that pitch,or say yes, or bunk your price
(35:08):
up, and you know, to choose tobe actively working towards the
actual dollar amount that youwant.
And I think that's honestly thebiggest thing that holds people
back with money is that we'rejust not focused on it.
Like, and there's a reason.
You know, there's a reason whysex and money are taboo topics.
The church didn't like it,right?
(35:29):
It's like, well, it disempowerspeople, it keeps people out of
powerful spaces when we are notin touch with the same stamps
bring us the most power.
And so having that conversationwith yourself every day, just
being with your money, askingquestions, making moves, taking
actions, learning, educating,skill building.
(35:49):
The only, only, only thingbetween where you are now and
where you want to be financiallyis a skill gap.
It's just learning skills thatyou get more comfortable and
more capable implementing.
It's not because you're not goodenough.
It's not because you're notworthy, it's not because you're
destined to failure.
You have the capacity to buildthe skills to live the life that
(36:11):
you want.
And I think that's just the mostempowering mindset to
continually stay with every day.
SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
Yeah.
Sarah, this is so gonna resonatewith my audience.
And I thank you so much for allthe wisdom that you have brought
to this space and just forsharing your story and the
strategies.
I certainly am taking somethingaway from this conversation.
How can people find you?
What are some of your offeringsthat you have right now?
SPEAKER_01 (36:37):
Thank you so much for having me in this
conversation.
Yeah, you can find me at withSarahMac.com.
You can find my book on Amazon.
It's called The Six FigureCreative, Heal Your Relationship
with Money, Doing Work You Love.
My name's Sarah Mac and Macy.
And you can find me on Instagramat Sarah MacMagic.
And my podcast is the CreativeMagic Club, where I'm having a
lot more conversations aboutmoney and astrology and content
(37:00):
strategy and all the thingsentrepreneurship.
I would love to say hi, send mea DM, let me know what landed
with you, and I can't wait toshare more.
SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
So, as a closing question, I have been asking my
guests what their commitment wasto themselves for 2025, but I
have changed that question.
As we head towards the tail end,the last six months of this
year.
What is one word that woulddescribe how you want to feel by
(37:34):
the end of this year?
SPEAKER_01 (37:36):
Well, the word that came to mind is pregnant, which
that's my call this year.
But when I am pregnant, I wantto be relaxed.
I want to be a relaxed pregnantlady by the end of this year.
So hold that version for me,please.
SPEAKER_00 (37:53):
And I love that you just spoke that and shared that
into the universe.
And I love that for you.
And I can hope to continuewatching your journey.
Thank you so much for comingtoday.
Thank you so much.
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