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SPEAKER_00 (00:09):
In the year of 2025,
where girly pops are stealing
the scene and laboo-boos are thetalk of the town, is it
appropriate to be creatingcontent for the sake of creating
without any ulterior motive ordeeper message?
Hi, I'm Jasmine, host of thevisibility standard, where
showing up and being seen is thestandard.
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And I wanted to drop my firstunedited solo episode.
I'm gonna shorten the word gapsbecause no one needs to hear me
pause for 500 minutes.
But part of being visible issharing your opinions, being
transparent, and honestly beingimperfect, because being
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imperfect means that you'reshowing up.
You have to show up imperfectlyto show up.
And if I'm gonna support otherpeople in doing that, hell, I've
gotta do that myself.
And so I was thinking about thisquestion earlier uh today about
in this year where there is justso much happening politically,
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socially, there's there'sliterally something happening on
every corner.
Is it appropriate?
Is it okay for people to createcontent, to consume content for
the sake of enjoyment, for thesake of pleasure, without there
being any deeper meaning,without needing to address the
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larger issues that are happeningaround the world?
I want you to brace yourself formy answer, get your journal out,
because my answer is yes.
It is completely appropriate, itis completely okay if people
want to continue creatingcontent as usual, even with
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everything that is happening inthis world.
Here's the thing (02:08):
the people
that get the most heat about the
content that they they create,their opinions, their thoughts
on just creating and being cuteis women.
Y'all are so much harder onwomen in the media space than
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men.
Digest that, sit with that.
Women largely take up a lot ofthe creator economy.
They are a lot of voices,influential voices, podcasting,
who typically fall within thelifestyle space, who fall within
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the more fashion, uh the girlypops, you would call them.
And they're creating content forfun.
We just had a new pop album comeout that was funsies, that was
cutesy, that wasn't reallyaddressing anything bigger than
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their art and themselves.
We've actually had a couplegirly pops drop their albums,
and it has been pure pop genius.
And a lot of the commentaryaround it has been Oh, we can't
we can't enjoy that because thisis what's happening, or why
would you even talk about thatright now when there's this
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thing happening?
Yes, and two things can exist atthe same time, and I don't know
a single movement where art forthe sake of art was not being
created or consumed, even whilereally hard times were going on,
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and I typically see a prettyspecific subset of folks who are
always making those comments.
And I want to say it is not yourjob to police how people are
managing or coping during a verystressful time.
It's not even your place to sayhow marginalized groups choose
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to cope and enjoy and experiencethis time.
Take the Harlem Renaissance, forexample, right around the civil
rights movement.
Yes, the civil rights movementwas happening, serious stuff was
happening, and African Americanmusicians and artists were
creating spaces to experiencejoy, to come together, to build
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community, to have fun, to laughit off.
Woodstock, for example, inresponse to the war in Vietnam,
art for the sake of art, love,community, resisting that we are
at war with one another andchoosing love and community at a
time that was very stressful.
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Most movements, all movements,have been followed up with
artists, creatives, musicians,people continuing to show up in
the ways that feel mostimpactful for them.
I am having a really big issuewith in this day and age where
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people only get to show up acertain way, and that qualifies
that they are in the know ofwhat's happening, they are
aware, and they are doingsomething about it.
And I think this also comes downto the parasocial relationships
that people typically form onsocial media with folks that
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they really admire, or you know,artists that they have gotten
through, gotten them throughdifferent seasons of life, and
there is this assumption thatyou know what they're thinking,
that you know their beliefs,that you know their values, when
you only experience one facet ofwho they are, when you only
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experience not even a quarter ofwho they are, and you feel so
emboldened to make anassumption, to make an opinion
about who they are and wherethey stand because of what they
said or haven't said.
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I do think in a time whereextremist language elicits the
most reactions, extreme languageelicits the biggest emotional
response from people, and that'swhat we gravitate to.
We really should.
I think that we could benefitfrom giving people more grace,
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giving more people the benefitof the doubt.
Not everyone's contribution toresistance will be protesting or
speaking directly to what'sgoing on or rioting or anything
of that matter.
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Just because it isn't thisstrong in your face reaction, it
doesn't mean that they're notdoing anything.
And this is where movements andthis is where people feel
disemboldened to do nothing.
This is where people feeldisemboldened to do something
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because people are like, Oh,you're not doing enough, you're
not loud enough, you're notsharing your point enough, and
then the pe people are anxious,are like, well, if I'm not
showing up this way, then maybeI shouldn't show up at all.
It is going to take all of us,it is going to take everybody's
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strengths, skills, and talentsto the table and saying, What is
my contribution to what's goingon right now?
Is it art?
Is it to help people feel good?
We get to feel good as people.
Life, liberty, the pursuit ofhappiness that might feel
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surface level at a time wherethings are really heavy, but it
is actually extremely radical tochoose to feel good, to choose
to consume things that make youfeel good, whether it's your
relationships, the content youconsume, the content you create.
Everything cannot be heavy oryou will burn out.
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When you're scrolling throughyour phone and you're like, God,
why do I feel so exhausted?
It's because you're doomscrolling and you need to go
touch grass.
You need to go outside, you needto live your life still, go for
a walk.
Emotional fatigue is real.
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Our nervous systems were notmeant to be constantly
consuming, constantly consuming,and you constantly hear folks
saying, I don't consume toomuch, or I've limited my
consumption, I'm managing myconsumption more.
It is because it is sodysregulating for your nervous
system to consistently be takingin information, constantly
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processing it, and not giving itthe space to rest.
If you have not read Rest isResistance by Trisha Hersey, I
will link it below.
It is a revolutionary book.
I highly recommend you read it,and it is literally about
enjoyment.
It is literally about rest.
It is about giving ourselveswhat capitalism, what this world
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has taken away from us.
Now, a lot of other commentaryis okay, why are billionaires or
people with money just actinglike nothing is happening?
Why do we need social media tovalidate a person's opinions?
There was a time, I can rememberit, and I'm only 28.
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There was a time where you coulddo good service, acts of service
for people, and you did not needto post it online.
You did not need to always provethat you were showing up, you
were just showing up.
It didn't matter what otherpeople thought of your service,
it didn't matter what thereactions or the likes will be.
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You just did it, because thatwas out of the goodness of your
heart, and there is just such alack of generosity, true
generosity, because we live in aworld where people make snap
judgments about other peoplebased on their content, based on
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their landscape, because they'refocusing slowly on lifestyle
content, day in my life, they'restill traveling, they're still
posting their accomplishments.
We get to celebrate ourselves,and it's truly up to us to
figure out why other people'ssuccess is triggering us.
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Is it because we feel like we'vegotten an unfair hand?
Is it because we are working ourasses off and you constantly see
the same person succeeding overand over again, and you're like,
when is it my turn?
Is it the scarcity that thereisn't enough left for you?
And therefore, this person hasthis thing, and now it's never
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going to come my way.
Like, we really need to sit withwhy success triggers us so much.
Why people living their lives toenjoy is so triggering, and that
does not negate or take away thedeep suffering and struggling
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that so many people experience,and I can understand those two
very strong, just opposingexperiences existing on the same
timeline is really hard todigest.
It's really hard to sit back andlook at someone living their
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life uh flourishing in theirsuccess, living above or within
their means, or seeing themperceptively act irrespectively
or are not conscientious ofwhat's happening around them
while there are people who aretruly suffering, where there are
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people who are finding it hardto just wake up and go to work,
or are worried about if theywill be able to go to work the
next day and be paid.
I understand that I sit withthat reality so often when I'm
working with clients, so it isnot lost on me that there are
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two really different experiencesthat I can exist at the same
time, but we have got to stoptearing people down simply
because they are choosing tofeel good.
Honestly, I think that in thesedays people hate just to hate.
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Like they see someone hop onsomething and they hate it, and
so other people kind of pile onand they want to hate it too.
I actually think it's easier tobe a hater than to choose joy,
than to to feel happy forsomebody, than to celebrate what
somebody else is doing.
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I I think it is easier to be ahater because then we don't have
to work with what's underlyingin that in those feelings.
We don't have to work with thejealousy, we don't have to work
with the with the shame, wedon't have to work with the
insecurities that we might besitting with while we are we are
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looking on the outside.
Now there are people who makereally shitty takes who yeah,
judge them.
I'm I'm certainly not abovejudging somebody.
Uh there are people who sharetheir opinions and you take them
at face value, but the vastmajority of us live in this
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really nuanced place.
And I really hope that one daywe can get to a place where that
nuance gets to take over thenarrative far more than extreme
language.
Cause all we're doing is pushingone another away when we choose
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to dig our heels and ouropinions, when we choose
cognitive dissonance, when wechoose to really sink into what
we believe is true so much thatwe push other people away, that
is why we feel so disconnected.
That is why there is aloneliness epidemic.
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Because we are choosing tobelieve so ferociously in our
idea in our ideas that someonewho may have a more nuanced,
relaxed perspective isautomatically considered a
sellout or somebody who is notreally present with what's
happening.
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That benefit of the doubt,again, would really benefit us
right now.
It would really allow us toapproach folks with a softer
tone.
Approach folks from a place ofcuriosity, wanting to
understand, wanting tounderstand why they're still
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choosing to create in the waysthat they're choosing to create
and not talk about what'shappening.
There was a creator, her name isHope Woodard, and I think that I
just butchered her last name,but her name is Hope.
She's a comedian, and she tookan ad campaign with a pretty big
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company.
I don't remember the company,but I remember her addressing
the backlash that she got fromthat ad.
A lot of people were like, Whywould you partner with this
brand when you say you stand forthis, that, and the other?
And she makes the statementabout like I still have bills to
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pay, I still have uh aspirationsfor myself.
I still want to make a living.
Everyone's protest looksdifferent, and all of us are
living under the constraints ofcapitalism.
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All of us still have to pay ourbills, all of us still have to
figure it out.
And so all of us are looking atresistance very differently.
All of us are trying to figureout what it looks like to build
a better tomorrow.
This was really sitting on myheart because it's just we are
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in such a divisive time.
We're in such a time where weare so quick to react.
We're so dysregulated.
When if we just went outside,when we have a snack, when we
talk with a friend, when weallow ourselves to be present
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with our lives as much aspossible, just for a moment of
of sinking in that gratitude andrecognizing that within our
spaces we are building theresistance, we are building new
communities, we are choosing toshare love.
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People want to create becausethey still want to create
content, they still want tocreate music, they still want to
create art.
The day that we don't have artis the day that we are really
lost as a society.
It's the day that we really haveto step back from the darkness
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that is is consuming us and andweighing us down.
We have to stop doom scrolling.
We genuinely have to go touchgrass.
We need to go outside, we needto feel the air on our skin and
be present with it.
We need to be thoughtful of therelationships that we have,
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being more thoughtful of ourreal lives, and stop projecting
all of that on to people who arestill at the end of the day,
people.
It doesn't matter how much moneythey have, it doesn't matter
what their follower count is, itdoesn't matter how you perceive
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their status, they are stillhuman.
And meeting humans withcompassion and curiosity and
wanting to understand betterfrom my experience has always
wielded better results than whenwe're approaching them with
criticism or distrust orassumptions that we can't prove
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or disprove unless we can.
If you have the evidence, use itand you make the best informed
choice for yourself.
But the internet has been offthe fucking chain lately.
Like I scroll sometimes and I'mlike, we have lost our minds,
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and we're just dysregulated,like we are dysregulated folks.
Our bodies are like, I cannottake another hit, I cannot take
something else happening, and sowe react and we react and we
react and we're just constantlyreacting.
That's not bringing us closertogether, that is not bringing a
solution.
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All that's doing is activatingour nervous systems.
All that's doing is activatingour bodies to a place where
we're not going to be able to bepresent with other people, we're
not going to be able to havethose important conversations.
It's okay to laugh still, it'sokay to enjoy.
It is so radical to choose joy,to choose rest in a world that
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wants us to be bogged down.
And all of these media, all ofthis consumption that happens,
all that does is disconnect usfrom our own knowing.
It disconnects us from the trulyhuman experience of relaxing and
existing without comparison,without jealousy, with and
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reminding ourselves of ourinherent worth.
When we allow ourselves todisconnect a little bit from
social media, when it we allowourselves to take a step back
and evaluate what's reallycoming up.
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Healing has no timeline.
And then all the messaging aboutback to normal happened.
Oh, let's go back to normal.
And some of us went in survivalmode and went back to normal,
but now we're like, fuck, Ireally miss those simpler times
because that is truly what lifeis about: connecting with loved
ones, creating, resting, andbeing connected with values that
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run much deeper than reallyanyone can change.
So I am going to pose thequestion for you what are ways
that you can be more connectedin your everyday life?
And I challenge you to stopscrolling.
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Like give yourself 10 minutesthat you would usually take to
scroll or be on your phone anddo something else.
Sit outside, sit in silence,journal, read, color.
Do something else.
And then tell me how it feels.
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You're not gonna feel likeinstant like gratification from
it, but it's giving your body abreak to digest everything, to
process everything, and tofigure out how to move forward.
And what if you did that fiveminutes every day?
And that five minutes turned toten minutes, and that ten
minutes turned to twelveminutes, and that twelve minutes
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turned to fifteen.
Habit stacking, building betterhabits, start with tiny, tiny
steps.
That's all I've got for youtoday.
Let me know what you think inthe comments.
I want to hear your thoughts onthis episode.
Something that was really on myheart, and I'm glad I was able
to share it and get my thoughtsout there.
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But I would love to hear whatyou're thinking.
You can find me on all socialsat Healing with Jasmine.
And I cannot wait to share myepisode with my dream date this
week.
But you'll have to stay tuned tolearn more.
Bye.