Creator Spotlight: Bay Doxey

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to your go-to source for entertainment.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Mr Eric Almighty and Phil the Filipino.
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it.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
This is the Wait For it Podcast.
Hey, everyone, welcome back tothe Wait For it Podcast.
I'm your co-host, phil Barrera,aka Phil the Filipino.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
And I'm your other co-host, mr Eric Almighty, and I
guess we'll just pick up wherewe left off on the last episode,
where we had one of our dearfriends on Phil.
We're trying to collect theInfinity Stones of this cast and
we're three-fourths of the way,but please do not ask our guest
any Infinity Stone questions.
Don't do that again.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh yeah, that's right .
Rue got a little flustered bythat question.
I do apologize for that.
But yeah, soon we'll be able tosnap our fingers and the whole
cast will just be here to hangout with us and we'll go do fun
things.
So I think that's what happenswhen we collect all the Dear
Friend Nocaton Infinity Stones,but super excited to continue to
have this wonderful cast thatwe've had on and that we met

(01:22):
earlier this year, thiswonderful cast that we've had on
and that we met earlier thisyear.
And you know, here we are inAugust and now, you know, having
another person that we've justhad so much fun getting to know
and work with.
So, please, everybody, welcomein Bae Doxie, from my Dear
Friend Nogaton, amongst manyother things.
So, bae, thank you so much forbeing here tonight.
And how are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm doing so well.
Hello, I'm so happy to be herebecause I loved being with y'all
and meeting y'all and gettingto do our panels together, and
we also have great photo ops allthe time, so I get really we're
killing it.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Man cory makes us look good shout out to cory, who
we've, uh, one of our, one ofour patrons and, of course,
photographer extraordinaire.
But, yeah, super excited tohave this conversation here with
you today.
I mean, we were alreadychopping it up for a half hour
before this so you guys missedout on that.
Yeah, we didn't do great on aNew York Times game so that was

(02:18):
a little rough, but that is okay.
But, Bae, before we get started, if you want to just take a
moment to introduce yourself andwhat you do, Hi, my name is Bae
Doxie.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I'm a professional voice actress, singer and rapper
and I well, I voice act, I do alot, I write.
I'm a poet.
You will best know me as MaeMae, bash Mae and my dear, my
dear friend nokatan, as well assome other fun things.
Uh, recently I got recognizedfor a character I play in a

(02:52):
fangin rampa like a reallypopular fangin rampa at at con
last time, and I played kazumiiketsuchi in the izuko izuko
joke, go Isuko Joke, isujuMassacre.
And that's me.
And I also play Annie Posey inNeon Ignition, a very, very,

(03:16):
very fun audio drama.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, it's been so great to get to know you and,
like you said, our panels arealways so much fun.
And uh, yeah, eric, I expectthat exact same energy here, so
we have been very excited forthis episode yeah, we have, and
I mean it's been long overduejust getting everybody on and
scheduling it all out.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
we knew we wanted to get you guys.
After we met you at thebeginning of the year at brick
uh, and then recently here atbold, getting halfway, we knew
we had to restart those talks.
So we just really appreciateyou jumping on board to talk to
us and Phil, we're going to havea ton of fun on this one.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yes, I'm so excited to be here.
As soon as I met y'all, I waslike, oh, we have so much to
chat up about, especiallybecause y'all are theater people
too chat up about, especiallybecause y'all are theater people
too.
And I was raised in the theaterand I learned how to act really
through my theater training, sothat's, that's like my

(04:12):
lifeblood.
So I'm like, yeah, I run intothat all the time.
I'm like we do love.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I don't have.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, I do I like be recording something.
I'll be be like oh okay, I gotto do that again, Okay.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's definitely Definitely got to edit that out
or just restart that.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, usually I'm like fuck, and then I'm like,
okay, I'll do it.
I'll step a little bit.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Phil will get really mad when I start singing stuff,
some type of tune like any songthat's stuck in my head, and
then it will get stuck in myhead.
It's a brain worm.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I also yeah, I also have my brother-in-law also
always has a tune going on, nomatter what, so I also get stuff
stuck in my head that way too.
But you kind of already alludedto it already.
We would love to hear aboutyour background.
You know about your theaterbackground, but also what led
you to voice acting, tovoiceover, and did you know that

(05:08):
this was even an alley youcould pursue based on you know,
when you started off in theater?

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, so I my first ever show I was in as nine years
old and it was really cute itwas.
It was an elementary school,but it was like a.
It's called Beauty and the no,not Beauty and the Beast.
That's what it's trying to belike.
Oh, what was it?

(05:35):
It was something, but not that.
It was like beauty is a beast,beauty is a beast and I played
Beauty and that was like myfirst ever show.
But my mom is a theater actress,so I grew up being with her and
we started going back totheater, goodness, when I was

(05:59):
about 10, 10 to 11 to 12.
And then when I was 12, 13, Istarted touring with a
children's theater group and wewould go to with my director
that I always worked with, tammyBarton, and so I would work
with them and so I was just on.

(06:21):
For like the whole part of mychildhood I was just on stage.
I'm a child actor but I was in.
I was always known for likedoing really elaborate voices
and really big, like accentchanges and dialects and stuff,
and most of the other kids I wasacting with or adults or

(06:41):
anything, they didn't have aswell of like diction as I do and
their articulation and I'vealways been known for that and I
don't even notice it either.
I just went to an audition, myfirst audition since goodness,
like almost a year ago, a littlebit over a year ago, and I was
just, I just don't think of myvoice because it's my job.

(07:03):
Like I'm like, oh, I'm notaware of it unless I'm listening
back to something.
Be like, okay, I could changeit this way.
But I was at the audition andit was amazing.
I had so much fun.
But I remember like when I wasleaving, everybody was like your
voice is so pretty.
Oh, my gosh, I love your voice.
Like, you have such gooddiction.

(07:29):
And I'm like, okay, I'm likethanks.
I was like, what about myacting?
But I do appreciate liking myvoice because I just I'm so
desensitized to it, because I'mlike, but I talk every day,
that's my job.
So, but I'm happy, people likeit.
I used to always be told I soundlike a dis princess, and so I
literally I would, I'd sing, I'ddo anything, I play a villain,
and people be like no, you're aDisney princess.

(07:50):
I was like, okay, I'll do that.
I hope so.
Pixar called me.
But yeah, so I was with Tammyand all this and we worked with
a lot of other actors and one ofthem his name is gary forge and
I love him.
I love gary.
Uh, the first thing I ever sawhim in was, uh, oklahoma and he

(08:13):
was judd and oh, incredible.
But he did audiobooks and hewas like bae, do you know about
voice acting?
Like maybe you should trysomething.
So I actually started voiceacting, uh, when I was 14, and I
did it remote.
I did it in that little closetin there.

(08:36):
I have my big studio now that'slike out but my little home
closet of like sat on the floor,had my little recording app on
my phone and I learned that wayand I learned that voice acting
and theater acting arecompletely different, and so I
didn't know that when I wasstarting.

(08:56):
So I'd listen back to, I wastalking to Josh, I was listening
back to some of my oldauditions and I'm like, oh, this
is so dramatic.
I'm like, bring it back, please, please.
But I'm like, I've like, butlistening to, like my younger
self, I'm like, oh, you havesuch a love for acting Like that
makes me so happy that evenwhen you were that young, it was

(09:16):
like you still had so much togive to learn how to act and be
an actress and perform and bringall these characters stories to
life.
And so when I learned that Icould do it, I could play any
character based off.
It didn't have to be if I was aspecific like body type or I

(09:39):
had specific hair or I was evenlike green or something you know
, like I could be.
I could be any type ofcharacter and I didn't have to
fit specific specs theater wisebut my voice could be that.
And that was something reallyimportant to me that it was
taken off my body and put intomy voice, which I felt I could
portray a lot more than, uh,because I had control over it.

(10:02):
More so of like, okay, this issomething I can control right
here and right now, and I canlearn to do all these different
types of things.
And so, yeah, so I transitionedthat way and I've been voice
acting since I was 14 and I'm 22.
So I'm also one of the youngestvoice actors to debut in anime

(10:25):
too, because I'm the youngest inthe cast and a lot of people
always are like you're that, andI'm like, yeah, I've just been
here a long time.
People are like oh yeah, likelike you guys probably thought I
was older too and like peopleare like either like 24 or 27
around there and I'm like no, Iturned 22 this year.
But since I've always actedwith the like older actors when

(10:52):
I was younger, I just felt older.
So I was like but yeah, I yap.
That was a little yap session.
This is a podcast, so I guess Iam allowed to yap.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yes, if anywhere, anywhere.
If there's any place to do it,it's actually like highly
encouraged.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Actually it's kind of yeah, yeah I do like yapping

Speaker 3 (11:15):
yeah, it's funny.
You told that story about likepeople complimenting like your
presence and your and yourdiction and thought and stuff
like that.
I did stand-up comedy for over10 years.
I still do it from time to time, but I remember I was at like a
small show, just kind of likedown at the Jack's beach and at
a bar or something like that,and somebody came out and they
were complimenting some of my,my friends that were down there

(11:35):
like oh, you were so good, sofunny.
And they came up to me and theylike thank you, it's not what I
was going for.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
But I appreciate.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
You can check that off yourbingo card.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
So uh, but then, on the the other side of things,
like years, years later, onceI've like started to kind of
like get into my flow andperfecting my craft, somebody
came up and told and gave melike the best compliment ever,
which was like my timing wasperfect, and I was like that is
the best compliment I, like acomic, could receive, of course
aside from, you know, thematerial being good, but I was

(12:13):
like I work so hard on that.
So, would you know, even thoughthose compliments are like not
directly tied to what you'redoing, it's like that's.
It's still very valuable tohear that feedback.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
I love that too, especially with comedic timing,
because when I was in theater,that was what I was known for,
was my comedic timing, because Iwas always the comic, I was
always the comedy side of thewhole show.
That's what I was, and it'sbecause I'm so quick and so
people are like whoa.
So I love that, though, but Ifeel like I've lost kind of my

(12:45):
comedic timing a little bitbecause I haven't been in shows
in so long.
Yeah, so I just took a break.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
It is a stage presence thing, for sure, like
it helps when you have someoneto play off of or if there is an
audience there.
So yeah, trying to learn thattoo, like very early on in my
journey has been like, okay, howdo I, how do I do this to make
it sound believable and it's notlike flat?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
so yeah, I feel you on that for sure yeah, and phil
and phil's obviously going out,branching out, trying something
like completely different anddoing that and trying to develop
habits and learn something foryou.
I don't want to say it's likenatural at this point because
you've been doing it for so longof your life, but I am very
interested, bay, like what isyour perspective of being so

(13:30):
young in the industry with theexperience you've gained so far?
Like, what is that vision ofthe voice actor industry been?
Because, phil, I feel likewe've talked a lot to people who
are in their thirties, theirforties, who have either been
doing it for a long time or arenew to the industry.
And, bea, I think you bringjust such an interesting
perspective because youmentioned again one of the

(13:51):
youngest to do it you know, foran anime too.
So, like what is yourperspective, like from child
actor to young voice actor, ofjust the entertainment industry
and specifically in voice acting, now that you're in it?

Speaker 4 (14:03):
just the entertainment industry and
specifically in voice acting,now that you're in it.
So usually, kind of sometimesit'd be like they don't know how
old you are at first and you'relike oh yeah, like.
But when you're younger, peoplejust assume that either you had
to do something to get there,you didn't deserve your place
there, or you had to work yourway.
So usually if I'm in a room andpeople know how young I am,

(14:26):
they'll already assume that I,like, don't have as much
experience as somebody who's alittle older.
But they don't realize thatI've been a professional actor
for 10 years.
So and especially on stage too,because that's a whole nother
ballpark of being with people,live, doing things and having
all of those energies and stuff.

(14:48):
So you have to really earn yourplace if you're in a certain
place, because people willthey'll either look down on you
or they'll be like you.
How did you get here?
Like, in question a lot of it,like and question a lot of it.
But if you find your rightpeople and you feel safe and you

(15:11):
know that you're supported,more so than somebody's trying
to knock you down, then you'relike okay, I feel happy, I'm
proud of myself for being here.
I don't feel like I'm taking upspace where I don't belong.
I have made a name for myself.
I do belong here.
I've worked to be here and Iwill continue to work to be here
, but it is, it is a constant.

(15:33):
I try I kind of don't thinkabout it anymore.
I've always had a lot oftrouble because I've been around
so many old, so many old people, so many different ages of
actors.
I actually have a lot ofproblems with remembering how
old I am, and so recently thisyear I've actually been like hey

(15:54):
, I feel 22.
I feel like a young adult.
I feel like I belong, like inthis body of like who I am and
how I'm feeling, and so that hashelped me a lot with my acting
career right now is of I can sitback, like my back's been
killing me.
I've been carrying a lot ofstuff like like mentally to

(16:15):
being like trying to to work aholic your way out of it, being
like well, if I do this manyauditions, if I do this, then
people will think that I deserveto be here.
Auditions.
If I do this, then people willthink that I deserve to be here
and instead of making peoplethink it's that, no, I do and I
have that energy and that's whatthat's.
That's how I've thought aboutit.
But the I think the perspective,especially of voice actors and

(16:38):
in the industry, it just dependson who you're with, who you're,
if you're remote, like all ofit, and your age too, of like,
okay, like you're different arcs, but but yeah, that's a good
question, because a lot ofpeople it's like they, unless
they're that, like you know, alot of people have different
experiences because of who theyare, but this, the younger

(17:00):
experience, especially like thatof being a child actor too, now
, like the whole landscape of it, landscape of it is like whoa,
I did that yeah, yeah, no, Ithink that's a great way to put
it and I I love the, the wholething of like getting to uh,

(17:21):
really expose that, like whenyou're comfortable with people,
like we could tell you had thatvery young at heart nature
already.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Little did we know you were young, right, like we
didn't think you were as old aseverybody else that we've met,
like we meet, phil, all the time, veteran voice actors that have
been doing it for 40 years.
You didn't give off that vibe,but you also didn't give off the
vibe of someone who is new atit, inexperienced and out of
their element, which I think wasreally great.
Because talking to you, rue,donald, josh, like there wasn't

(17:52):
a oh, I wonder what the agedifference is.
You all very much had a verylike safe haven vibe where you
were comfortable with yourselves, with each other, and it was
just such an inviting experiencethat we just never thought to
think like, oh, I wonder who theyoungest of the group is.
I wonder what the dynamics are.
And, phil, we've talked to alot of voice actors about some

(18:14):
of the stigmas.
We kind of learned a new onehere, especially for those that
are younger in the industry,which I guess shouldn't be
surprising.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, that's a really good point because it's been
great doing this with all of youthat we've met from the cast,
because when we met you we kindof looked at you as a group and
you very much are and you guyswork so well together and the
energy is so fantastic andseeing you interact with people
at conventions is honestlyreally great to see.
But then now getting to knoweach of you individually and

(18:45):
getting to know your stories hasbeen really really fun as well.
What would you say to somebodywho is starting out now?
So Rue had like a very similarstory.
She had a laptop and she put ablanket over her head and she
recorded from there.
And when I started doing classeshere in the last couple of
months like getting introducedand meeting y'all to how many

(19:08):
remote voice actors there areright now and it is an
incredible community and I'vemet so many cool people what
would you say to those peoplethat are that don't have the
ability to, you know, puttogether a quick studio or don't
necessarily have therecommended equipment?
Quote, unquote like what do yousay to those people that come
up to you and ask like hey, howcan I become a remote voice

(19:29):
actor and get started there?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
uh, that gave me little chills.
That's the thing, too is juststart take acting classes, even
if they're in person, becauseespecially getting to act with
someone in person will help youso much being a remote actor,
because you're like oh, but Ifeel this presence.

(19:54):
I can, I can pull from thisexperience to have this presence
, build up your confidence,learn about what characters you
want to play, especially fromyour favorite like media.
I always say, like, watch aspecific anime, that like is
always on your mind.
Like, for me, it's Nana and myNana tattoo.

(20:14):
I've watched Nana 13 times, andwhen I was watching anime, even
when I was younger, I wouldalways do the voices, I would
just always follow along, and Iespecially the fairy tale too.
That's how I was I.
I would always do the voices, Iwould.
I would just always followalong, and I especially with
fairy tale too.
That's how I was.
I love fairy tale, butespecially with that is you find

(20:34):
a like anchor and you're likeokay, this is my creative anchor
, this feeling that I get when Iwatch this or I play this game
or I experience even an actorthat I love.
If I can tether myself to thatand go out of that, and that's
kind of like a safe place to goback to and it's also a way to

(20:59):
gather like energy from that Belike oh, but if you're
especially with keeping yourselfsafe, acting wise, if you're
new to acting, you can go plungeway too deep and you're going
to be almost you could betraumatized, you could get so
far and then sometimes you can'twork for weeks, like if you
sometimes like for me, I'mexperiencing my new limits

(21:23):
emotionally and figuring outwhat I can and can't play
anymore and I realized that Idon't want to play those super
intense roles because they takeme.
It's harder for me to likeemotionally handle that.
That's like past my limit if Idon't want to do something like
that.
That that's like past my limitif I don't want to do something

(21:48):
like that.
And so whenever and like I dida role for that, like I and uh
for a specific project and Ieven helped like create the
character too, I was brought into do like character design and
uh, to flesh her out and I waslike I'm I can't, I can't do
this, like like having thatextreme emotional experience of
a traumatized character,especially with people that are

(22:11):
starting, and it gets to atraumatized character.
Don't focus on the specifictrauma, don't focus on getting
so sucked into it, because thatcan go into like method acting
and things like that.
It's more so I know I'm jumpingall over the place, but it's

(22:34):
more so having somethingcreative that you love and you
can take that from.
And you don't have to have a micright away.
You don't have to build yourbooth.
You have to learn to act andyou have to learn what you love
about acting, what you don'tlike about acting.
Hey, if I was a voice actor andI had to do the sometimes.

(22:57):
Sometimes being a voice actor,you don't get to do everything
you want, uh and love as part ofthe job.
Usually the stuff that you don'twant to do is where the money
is, so it's like okay, well, Ihave to do that.
And especially when you getinto that point, it's like have

(23:19):
one creative project that eitheryou started or like that.
That's something that, like acharacter that you play, that's
like can bring you joy.
As long as you find things inthe, in the industry and and
characters that spark joy foryou, that make you want to learn
, that make you want to jumpinto it, then you're fine.
It's just like it's it's safety, it's learning about acting,

(23:43):
learning about what type ofacting you like, learn about
what characters you want to play.
But you don't have to rush, youcan take your time.
And I think, with acting too,especially people are like I
gotta get that next audition in,I gotta do this, I gotta do
this, I gotta do this.
Just go slow and enjoy theprocess, because the process is

(24:05):
the best part.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, for sure, and I shared a story with you of a
very important lesson I'vealready learned within the first
few months and you know thathelped.
That will definitely help megoing forward.
And also, like you said youknow this is an answer we always
get Take that acting class.
I've only taken a couple actingclasses.
We're very lucky to have astudio here in Jacksonville that

(24:27):
does courses and, honestly, ifI hadn't taken that class first,
I don't think I'd have beenable to do this even a tad bit
successfully that I've been ableto do so far.
So taking that class wasincredible and they taught the
is it Meisner?
That's that's, yeah, that isthe um, the style that they

(24:49):
teach there, and I was like isthis really going to help me
with voice out, voiceover and it100 has?
I was like man, I reallythought that this might have
been something.
That was like well, maybe Ineed to take a different acting
class, but I was like, no, thisreally really helped.
So I know Megan also is a bigfan of Meisner as well.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I'm Chekhov.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Okay, the.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Chekhovian technique is my favorite Meisner makes me
think too much, I get obsessedwith it.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's very stressful in the like in the what was it?
The things that we'd like?

Speaker 4 (25:24):
exercises we were doing, like just a repetition
yeah, and then you're like Idon't like repetition, and I
don't want to say that, and thenyou're like, but the repetition
is to get you out of your headso that you can just be the
character and you're like andyou're not thinking, oh, and I
need to go do the groceries.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Go do the grocery, yeah yeah, yeah, those are all
cool.
Those sound, those sound, theselike.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
New.
York Go do the grocery.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah yeah.
Those are all cool.
Those sound, those sound.
Are these like New York timesgames?
What are you guys sitting out?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
If Meisner was on the connections board today, we
would have done very well.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Playwright was there, but Meisner and Chekhov wasn't
there.
I'm right back on par with youguys that's good but yeah,
that's the thing too, especiallylearning to act.
What style do you like?
What Stanislavski, chekhov,stella Adler, like you know like
, and Meisner, stanford Meisner?

(26:16):
So it's like, okay, there's somany different flavors, what do
I want to taste?
I bet the buffet of acting.
What do I want to taste?
I also learned too.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
So, having you here, what do I want to taste?
I bet the buffet of acting.
What do I want to taste?
I also learned too, so havingyou here, to have both
perspectives.
Like the voiceover, slash voiceacting kind of like archetype
or personality is totallydifferent from the theater actor
, slash on-screen actor.
Not to like pit them againsteach other, but like, is there

(26:44):
one you feel more comfortable in?
Or like, do you, do you likenaturally go back to the theater
days and you know, just kind offit into into that group or
like I don't know, just do youfeel you know more comfortable
in one over the other?

Speaker 4 (26:57):
so when I was, because I was studying at
columbus state university for,uh, my BFA in theater and I did
Meisner, and I was like, hmm, Ilike Chekhov I'm going to go
back to that but when I wasthere I was with my whole family
maybe my found family and thewhole theater department.

(27:17):
It's like Columbus in Georgia,it is the theater department.
It's where the thespianian, theGeorgia thespians, and like
Georgia thespian, but the bigthespian festivals, everything
they're held their conference,and so the whole community of
Columbus, georgia is actingtheater.

(27:38):
You're all there.
It's, it's the air.
Sleep, eat, sleep, breathe,theater, because you have to.
Uh and it for them.
I was like, okay, yeah, I mean,this is just like who I am.
But it wasn't who I am, becausewhen I was around them, I was.
I ended up masking a lot as asurvival mechanism there,

(28:00):
because when you're in theaterand you're around all of these
people that are doing the sameauditions as you, they're going
to take a look at you all thetime and be like, okay, this is
imperfect, I can get you on thisand this next audition.
Okay, this is this and this andthis and this and this.
And then if I see you in in arehearsal and you're doing
something like they're always.

(28:20):
It's.
It's the part of theater,especially in college theater,
that the insecurities ofeveryone because of course
everyone has them.
We're theater actors, we're onstage like we're put out to.
Sometimes, you know, we have tobe vulnerable and have our
insecurities shown and that'show.
That's how you really relate toeven the other people that are

(28:44):
with you acting.
And I thought, before I leftColumbus, I was like yeah, I'm
just, I'm just theater actor,that's just what I am.
Even when I was doing voiceoverat school, because I had like
my own, like little basicallypop up booth, I did whatever I
could.
When I was there it was likeokay, well, I'm feeling a tug to

(29:06):
be like I don't think I fit inhere, like at this, I don't
think I fit in with this.
I feel like something's missing.
I feel like I feel like and togo in and work on a lot of
things in my past because I waslike I want a chance to actually

(29:35):
enjoy acting again.
I don't want to get sucked intoit.
I want to know who I am otherthan being an actress.
My whole life I've just been anactress and I was like who is
Bae?
Who is she other than the actor?
What's behind the mask?
And so I got out of that andlike a month later, I booked

(29:57):
Nokoton and I thought I wasnever going to act.
I thought I was never going tovoice act again.
I thought I was like I wentthere and I was like I guess
I'll just go back to theateracting if I feel like it.
But then I was like I came home, I came to live at home and for
a little while till I get my,just to feel my roots again, and

(30:19):
I was like I feel different.
Now, voice acting this time, Ifeel like something's different.
And I, just when I booked May,may, I realized I was like I
never thought I was going tovoice act again.
And so now that I've been in thecommunity and I'm back at it
and in the world of it, I'm likeI fit in here much more, much

(30:46):
more.
And this is the part of me thatI was, I was yearning for back
at school.
I was like this there's somepart of me that's still there,
um, but even with voice actingtoo, it's like I also I sing and
I rap and I um, I write musicand things, uh, and so I.
I really am fit in there.
It's like you jump around, butnow I feel much more

(31:06):
disconnected from the theaterpart of me, and that's okay,
because I'm like I want to learnabout new theater.
Part of me I want to know whatthat is, but I like I feel safe
in my bubble over here.
So, yeah, I hop For sure.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Thank you so much for sharing all that.
Yeah, that is.
Uh, I love that answer.
I have a very kind of similarrelationship with stand-up
comedy.
I love stand-up comedy.
I will still do it if somebodycalls, uh, calls upon me to do
so, but it was not my community.
Um, it was definitely not aspace that I felt would be
healthy or conducive to like meas a person as well.
Um, and you know, I had toremove myself from that and and
I say unfortunately it took over10 not a space that I felt

(31:45):
would be healthy or conducive tolike me as a person as well.
And you know, I had to removemyself from that and and I say
unfortunately, it took over 10years to like, finally realize
that.
But, like, that also is veryhelpful for not only voice
acting but also podcasting.
It has been incredibly helpfuland, like with Eric and I doing
doing so many interviews anddoing the Q andA panels, it has
been an essential skill to havefor doing this.

(32:06):
So, yeah, we both have thosethings professionally that have
led us to where we are now andhave helped immensely in what
we're currently pursuing.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, I think, as you kind of like expand your skills
, like it's just interesting tosee, like where they lead you.
But I am curious, bay, likewith voice acting and with
theater, we did a kind of acompare and contrast and pit
them against each other and likewhat the differences in those
experiences are, kind of mergingthem together.
For this question what is askill or an ability that apply

(32:43):
to both, that you find is astrength for you?
If you were to find one thatfits both areas that you
consider to be a strength, whatwould that be?
Improv.
There we go.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
It is the most helpful.
It gets you out of your head.
You get to learn about yourcharacter.
I actually just I was tellingPhil I had just done the
Improvolog workshop with JulieMandalina I think it's either
Mandalina or Mandalini.
She's amazing, I love her.
I'm sorry I can't say her lastname right, but she was
incredible and she taught justthe most amazing technique and

(33:20):
with her I actually was likewait, but these are my skills
from theater, I can bring themback.
And with improv you just have somuch more life and color of
your experience through thischaracter, because you're
bringing in your words that yousee from this character.

(33:41):
When you look at this character, what this you can add, what
you see and what you hear.
First, like usually I say likein the technique as you read the
first, you do a cold read.
You always do a cold readbecause you want to know what
you naturally will sound likewhen you're reading, something,
like when you what you're goingto add and then what you
naturally will sound like whenyou're reading something like

(34:01):
when you what you're gonna addand then what you can take away
and add.
But with the improv vlog it'sjust like so cool because you do
that.
And then you're like hmm, talkto me about what kind of
character your character is.
Okay, what do you do?
What grocery store do you go to?
Like I brought back grocerystores again.
But grocery store do you go to?

(34:23):
Like I brought back grocerystores again, but um, but like
you get into the head of yourcharacter and it's like you can
bring in your like I said, yourworldview and your character's
worldview and see where theycollide and where they coincide.
So it's, I, improv is just thebest, it, it's the best, it's
the best.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
There were a lot of great answers there, but I think
you clearly want to pivot theconversation.
What is your favorite grocerystore?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Can you please rank the grocery stores in the South,
if you have?

Speaker 1 (34:53):
a top three.
We love top three lists here onthe podcast.
We will criticize you based onthis list, we'll take a top one
or three.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
No, it's got to be three.
Let's do three.
It's got to be three, Okay topthree.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Oh God, I guess grocery stores overwhelm me.
Funny enough, I love an Asiangrocery store.
That's my favorite, becausenobody's judgmental, nobody's
thinking about you, everybody'sjust like there you go, you need
help, here, go get this.
And then it's like and I loveAsian food, that's my favorite
type of food.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Everyone also really knows what they want too.
It's not as chaotic.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's like the nicest get in, get out.
They're definitely doing that,but it's just so convenient.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Yes, and it's a wonderful atmosphere and you're
like.
You know what.
I actually am not stressed byall of these Southern people at
my grocery store.
I'm actually not in the Southanymore, I'm somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, I went to an Asian market.
I think it was called MillsMarket in Orlando.
And it was just a wonderfulexperience.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Meanwhile I walk into Walmart.
I'm like the popcorn chicken isgone.
My whole trip is ruined.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
See Walmart scares me .

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I do not enjoy Walmart.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
See, that's the bottom of my list.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Along with Kroger.
I don't like Kroger.
Kroger overwhelms me too.
It's the name we don't haveKroger here.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
We do have them in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
I didn't really go there too often.
I prefer to Tom Thumb over aKroger, a what it's called Tom
Thumb, I think it's like a moreout west.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
How big are his thumbs?

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I guess big enough to have many grocery stores.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
I also like, speaking of that, I also love just a.
What the hell are they called?
Like a little, a little, likeit's not a a food market.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Oh oh.
They called like a little, alittle growth, like it's not a
food market.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Oh oh, like a neighborhood market or like a
yeah food market.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yeah, oh my gosh farmers produce like a farmer's
market.
We were like circling market.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
I was like it's something market.
I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I think I'm hungry, but I ate already see, I'm
seeing my partner, like I toldy'all and my I actually love the
idea of going to a grocerystore with somebody that, like
you're together with, becauseit's like domestic, it's like,
oh, what are we gonna make fordinner, what do you want for
dessert?
And then because, also, I'madhd, so I get lost in the

(37:13):
grocery store.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
So it's like you just like walk out with a bunch of
fruit roll ups and you're likewhat?

Speaker 4 (37:18):
happened.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
I have forgotten about fruit roll ups and you
just reminded me of them, yeah,and then you can get the variety
pack that have the fruit rollups, the gushers.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
That always makes me think of the Scooby Doo Gummies,
the blue, the infamous MysteryScooby.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
One year my daughter got a pack of.
It was like years ago, she'smuch older now, but uh, she got
a pack of those scooby-doogummies in in her halloween bag
and I was like these are mine.
I'm so sorry, but I'm uh, youdon't even know what these are
so this is for me I that'ssomething I adore is scoby-Doo.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
If I could, I want to play Daphne.
I want to be.
I want to be Daphne.
I've always wanted to be Daphne.
People have always compared meto Daphne.
I love her.
Also, being like a villain andone of the Scooby-Doo movies
would be so cool.
I love Scooby-Doo.
That's like, like I was saying,like my tether to creativity of
like what I like earlier.

(38:21):
It's fairytale Nana, scooby-doo.
My favorite anime is Scooby-Dooand the and the oh Zombie
Island.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Scooby-Doo that's the one that's in New Orleans,
right, that's the one in like.
It's one of the best animated.
I don't know how we got fromsupermarkets to Scooby-Doo
Zombie Island, but it is one ofthe best animated films like
ever.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Well, they also go to the supermarket in Scooby-Doo
Island.
That's how they meet theLouisiana, like the Creole girl.
That's how they meet her.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
It's scary too, like when you were like as a kid, it
was like terrifying.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
But it was like terrifying, but it was.
It's still scary.
Yeah, phil, we never asked outof respect for for like lines to
be delivered, but I feel like,bay, like whatever reach we
could possibly give you for yourdreams, do you just want to
give out a?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
and I would have gotten away with it too, if it
weren't for you.
If you like kids, would youlike to just?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
would you like to just throw one out there, Like,
Would you like to just throw oneout there?
You never know.
You never know who listens.
So you know the offer's outthere.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it
weren't for you meddling kids.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
That is so good, thank you.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Eric, you got the keyboard or the soundboard over
there.
Is there the applause?
Still Did we remove it.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
But I'm going to add it in post.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
That is so good.
Oh, I also can laugh like him,okay.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Were you pro or anti-scrappy-do that little
fucker.
Pro or anti-scrappy-do?

Speaker 4 (39:59):
That little fucker.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Very much poochy energy from the Simpsons.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Like that little fucker is.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
They didn't like what is it called when companies
will like test screen audiences?
They didn't like test it calledwhen companies will like test
screen audiences.
They didn't like testScrappy-Doo with people before
throwing him in our faces.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
I guess not.
It felt like a surefire thingand I just learned recently that
Scrappy-Doo is named Scrappybecause he wants to scrap yeah
he wants to fight all the time.
I just thought he was messybecause he keeps getting in the
way of everything.
He's from Long.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Island or something.
I don't know what his deal is.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
What was he a?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
nephew.
Yeah, he was Scooby-Doo'snephew.
He's something.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
I don't fucking care, I don't like him and he was
scrappy.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, spaces Scrap the hell out of here, scrap her
way on out of here.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
I get it, that's also speaking of how scary the
Scooby-Doo stuff is, is theMystery Incorporated Like the
scary, like the crazy animatedone, where, all, like the deep
secret and the lore of theScooby-Doo gang, I was like that
shit would scare the fuck outof me, that parrot.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, no, listen, they're going to make a full-on
Scooby-Doo horror movie in acouple years, I'm sure of it.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
It's not going to be quite Pooniverse-ville, but oh,
you mean like a full-on gorehorror movie?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, straight-up horror.
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
When does Scooby-Doo enter the public domain?
That's when it will happen.
I also didn't know.
Scrappy-doo apparently debutedin 1979.
I thought he was like a 90sedition, but he's been around
forever.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Maybe they threw him in there and they were like,
well, if somebody says something, we can bring you back.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
But it's going to be.
Yeah, he's been around for along time.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
He's in what's New Scooby-Doo.
That's when he came out first.
No, no, before that.
What's New is the what's newScooby-Doo.
They're coming after you.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
They're gonna fight, solve that mystery.
It was really Scooby-Doo andScrappy-Doo was his first
appearance.
Ew, pretty straightforwardthere.
Look, scrappy-doo was his firstappearance.
Ew, pretty straightforwardthere.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Look, scrappy-doo's voice actor is going to come
find me and be like, so Iblacklisted you Well there are
many of them.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
One of them, scott Innes is the most well-known one
.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
I'm sorry, Scott.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
And Jason Montezuka has actually voiced Scrappy-Doo
in the Velma Show, which I heardis not very good.
So in the Velma show which Iheard is not very good, but we
won't talk Anyway supermarkets.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Listen, the grocery store turn into Scrappy Doo is
probably an all-timer here onthe podcast.
I think we'll reference thisparticular moment whenever we've
completely gotten off the rails.
I love them.
It's so good.
Yeah, because we also talk,obviously, mutual pop culture
interests.
Now, I didn't expect Scooby-Dooto be on the docket, but we

(43:08):
always ask that question of whatare those pop culture
influences, and this isn't justin voice acting, this is just in
your enjoyment as a fan being apart of fandom, having those
obsessions, and your enjoymentas a fan being a part of fandom,
having those obsessions, likewhether it's what you're loving
right now or what you grew upwith as a child.
What are some of those otherthings in pop culture that just
mean a lot to you?

(43:28):
My partner has shown me theYakuza games there we go, yeah,
yeah, we're late to the party onthose we want to play them.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
You have to find the right one we love, cocarnage and
he streams.
He streamed them like sevenyears ago and that was the first
time that Keija had seen them.
Was that he had watched thestreams from that long ago and
he watched them.

(43:59):
Hell, we haven't even gotten towhat the hell is that long ago
and he watched them.
Hell, we haven't even gotten towhat the hell is that one's
name?
It's the one I really want tomeet.
It's not, it's Google.
Hey, siri.
No, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, because it's the one thatlooks like a pirate when they

(44:19):
do karaoke.
Have you seen?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
the karaoke.
I've seen clips of the karaokeyeah.
I was like what Isn't this gamecalled Yakuza?
What?
Where is that?
Oh?

Speaker 4 (44:29):
hell yeah, it is Also Yakuza.
It's the eyepatch guy, it's him.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yeah, definitely seen him.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
He's so cool, and it's Kiryu and Majima Majima.
But yeah, the best thing aboutthe Yakuza games so far for me
is that the mini games in Yakuzaare like topped, they're like

(45:00):
their own games, like they're sogood that they're like their
own games and, um, there's likethey have like a whole sega,
like um, like store in theyakuza and you can go and play
the games like there's a cranegame, there's like all of this.
You also.
You also can go to it's not thebrothel, that's, that's in high

(45:26):
, that's that other thing, butit's uh, that's the name for
them.
It's like the, it's the clubs,but it's the what are those
called with the women?

Speaker 1 (45:37):
but with the women the strip clubs women the women
clubs, the strip clubs.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, it's not a strip club, it's fancier oh like
, oh no, I thought I had it.
I have seen like footage of thegame, like of people just like
dancing in the club.
I've also seen like a kartracer.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yes, but with the clubs I cannot name the.
Yes, but with the clubs Icannot name the women.
It's a dress-up game.
You can dress them up, is itCabaret?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
It's the Cabaret clubs and you can go and dress
them up and then you can.
It's as good as Nothing, asgood as the boulders gate
customization, nothing as goodas that.
But it's over there like it's agood character customization.
And then the new yakuza gameshave like pokemon, go like their

(46:30):
own, it's like sajiman orsomething, and they also have an
animal crossing one that theydid like they pull everything,
so they're like packed.
But those and they also have anAnimal Crossing one that they
did like they pull everything,so they're like packed.
But those are really good.
Like I said, apothecary DiariesI need to get on that.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Everybody talks about it, I know.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
And when Donald watches this he'll be like oh
thanks, she still hasn't foundanybody to talk to Apothecary
Diaries.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Listen, there's a lot of people to talk to you and I
love a good like romance anime.
That that's the genre, right,is that?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
no, it's it's romance and mystery.
Oh, it is like and like, it'slike intrigue and like scandal,
like royal skin, because it's,it's the it's, it's like the
imperial dynasty of like, uh,it's not the imperial one, but
it's like it's the china.
They, they took a lot from likethe chinese dynasties and stuff

(47:31):
and then they mixed them withlike a fantastical air, but it's
, it's so cool.
So there's a lot of like perioddrama, like historic, like.
Oh, what did the emperor do?
Nothing, because he's prettycool, but everybody else well,
one of the emperors I ran intohim again.

(47:52):
But yeah, I love that one I alsolove, I love shoujo.
So my favorite when I wasgrowing up, I love shoujo, so my
favorite when I was growing up,I love shoujo anime.
So like nana and uh, right nowI love, uh, my, my comfort show
for a while is uh, my happymarriage my happy marriage is

(48:15):
really good.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
It's very good.
I I got suckered into watchingit and I was like I'm not gonna
watch a show called my, my happymarriage I think this might be
a little too on the nose and Iwas like oh my heart, yeah, you
realize how happy you.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
That's.
The thing, like with trauma andthings too, is like you don't
realize how wonderful somethingis until you lose it and then
you get it back healthfully andit's like, oh my gosh, this is a
completely different like withlove.
It's like, whoa, I'm so happythat they're happy that I could

(48:51):
be happy too like this, and I amyeah, it's very much.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Uh, it gave me very similar feelings for when I
watched Comey Can't Communicate,which I really enjoyed quite a
bit as well, like they both gaveme very similar like unexpected
vibes from watching it, Like Iwas like blown away at how much
I was connected.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
I haven't seen that one, but I really want to the
narrator, for that is, though.
She's phenomenal.
She has such a beautiful voice.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I remember I watched like a few minutes and I was
like oh, I love your voice youknow, you'd think you'd think a
show about the main characternot being able to communicate
wouldn't be very interesting orvery gripping, especially from,
like, a dialogue perspective,but it just really is very, very
good.
But yeah, both, both very goodchoices, I mean, when we're
talking about this type of anime.

(49:42):
Fruits Basket is the king andqueen.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
I would love to play a Toru Honda character.
I strive to be Toru Honda.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
She is everything I would love that.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Now the Fragrant Flower fragrant flower blooms
with dignity is coming out, andthat was when I met y'all first.
That was the anime.
I was trying to say that Iwanted to be in so bad but I
couldn't think of what it wascalled.
And it's coming out and I'mlike and it's, and it's so funny

(50:19):
because everybody's like oh,she's so beautiful, oh I love
her, and I'm like I literallylook so much like her, like our
face and our bangs.
Hold on, I'm gonna go uh,wagari, she's like a little I
can't get it to.
There's like like her littlehair is mine's the same, hold on

(50:41):
.
It's like I have the, thelittle fringe, so it goes.
It's like that.
It's like I love her she's justprecious.
But that's.
That's a dream I've always hadis to play a shoujo lead like
Toru, like just.
But also recently I have beenplaying the more dead pan and

(51:08):
like not mute completely, butlike very relaxed characters.
I love them.
I didn't think I could do that.
I was like whoa, this is new.
I was like whoa, this is new.
I was like oh for, for instance, a lot of like the robot, like

(51:29):
more like automaton characters.
Specifically, I've been gettingcast as recently and like those
are the ones that I don't evenaudition and they're like can
you do that?
I'm like, okay, I guess I can.
This sounds fun, like uh khalungeneric romance.
I don't know if you've seenthat or heard of that.
It is so good.

(51:50):
But the main character likethings with, like that, like
there's a lot of like it.
That one's really cool becauseit's like Inception kind of Like
.
It's like oh, but there's a lotof like the main character.
She's very like, just like sexyhusky, just like in her lane

(52:12):
she's nourished, in her laneshe's refreshed, she's going.
But like with the deepercharacters and the more relaxed
and feminine and like just like,I like that.
I haven't got to play that asmuch as I used to so like the
sexy little femme fatalecharacters.
I also really love what was thequestion.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
We were just talking pop culture we were just talking
about stuff that we like.
No, you did great the question.
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Grocery store and so and uh, you can find me on aisle
seven and I don't know whatI'll be doing on aisle seven,
but maybe I'm at aisle eightwhere are we ranking?
You'll have to come to thegrocery store.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I hate to bring back the gummy conversation, but like
where are we ranking a fruit?
Roll up a fruit by the foot anddo we throw gushers in there,
cause like that has the sour.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
So I actually don't like gummies.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Yeah, it depends.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Like any kind of gummy, not particularly.
They're like, not if I were tohave, I like the Petri.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
But I love a sweet treat, I love pastries yeah,
love a good pastry.
I love a pastry.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I love a pie what is it about gummies in particular?
Is it texture?
Yeah, it's got to be texture,right.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Yeah, look at that, it's like I don't want to chew
on you for this long and havethe same texture and feeling in
my mouth.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
This makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
I actually don't like this, like Jell-O.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I hate Jell-O.
I was going to say that's gotto probably extend pretty far.
That's a cold gummy forTwizzlers.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
You said it with such disdain, I can imagine
Twizzlers.
You said it with such disdain Icould imagine Twizzlers is not
a thing for you.
I don't like Twizzlers either.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
There's so much disdain in your voice for Jell-O
.
That's just a cold gummy.
Don't let it fool you.
That's just a gummy in disguise, fuck.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
And that one Jell-O is like traumatizing from like
Christmas when they have likethe piece of lettuce and they
have, that's what my family hadfor so long and nobody would
fucking touch it.
It's like a fruit salad andyou're like no, it's just jello
on lettuce and like maybe somewhipped cream.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
And that disgusts me.
I don't think we're ready tohave the conversation about like
the previous generation'shabits around holidays when it
came to food, and that's one ofthem.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Like those, just like monstrosity creations that
nobody would touch and that'sone of them, like those, just
like monstrosity creations thatnobody would touch well to, to
redirect and bring it back to,uh, learning more about you.
I would like to talk about themusic side of things with you,
because you did talk about beinga musician.
You also talked about doing rapand doing hip-hop.
So I want to know, like, whatwere your inspirations?

(54:56):
You know you're obviouslyyou're're talking about
obviously early 2000s, so whoare those artists that have
influenced you?
Eric and I are big hip-hopheads.
We aren't so much into a lot ofthe newer stuff.
We're a lot more.
I mean we're in our 30s, so wehave a lot of legacy artists
that are in our library.
Yeah, eminem.
Sometimes you go back andlisten to an Eminem.

(55:19):
Yeah for sure.
So yeah, who are those peoplethat have inspired you and who
are some of those artists thatyou really love?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
So Eminem for sure.
With rap, especially XG,they're my favorite.
That's when I did the halftimeshow at Bold is what I did.
I rapped my XG, which is whichis woke up, and I did that live
and so good, so good, uh, oh, itmakes me so excited.

(55:50):
I, I love it.
Uh, rap was really cool for mebecause I was a competition
singer, so I was a.
I was a musical theater,competition singer and musical.
I would do a lot of genres, butit would be more so on the
theatrical side of things, likeopera was.
Sometimes I can do it a littlebit, but not as much as like

(56:13):
character and singing and stuff.
So with my new singing career Ihave realized that I haven't
dipped my toes into a lot ofthis like j-pop, k-pop.
I'm actually working on a j-popcover right now.
It's, uh, it's a keregato whichis from I can't say her name,

(56:38):
susi or su.
I I'm so sorry, it's amazing.
I, I love it.
And so I used to.
When I was learning, uh, voiceacting, I wanted to learn.
When I was younger, I learned alot about um, japanese and

(56:58):
especially because I wanted toget into anime.
So I would, I would learn theinflections of certain like ways
to like do certain types ofcharacters or things like, and
that was what was really cool tome, because I was like that's
like where the energy and thelife of everything comes from.
So I want to learn this cultureand about how they do that, and
so I have started singing inJapanese again and it is so

(57:23):
wonderful, it makes me so happy.
Well, k-pop, too, especially.
I grew up like with, with K-pop.
Stray Kids were my first everlike, really like into them, and
I saw them live before covidand they were amazing.
I love street kids.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Let me look at my spotify uh, I was gonna say,
while you're doing that too,what's your reaction to all this
k-pop, demon hunter like fandom.
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
I'm kind of disappointed.
It took us an hour to bring itup actually a little bit.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it makes me so happy.
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh mygod, it's so good.
I've seen it three times now.
Keeja and I watched it togetherand, uh, keeja's music producer
and we do a lot, my partner, doa lot of music stuff together.
He actually helped me, uh,remember my love for music and

(58:17):
he actually taught me how to rap.
So that was just.
We watched it together and musicis a huge part of our lives and
our connection with each other.
And so he was like at first,when I watched it, okay, I was
like, oh, I'm Zoe, yeah, thattotally makes sense.
And then we kept watching itand I, it was like the next day

(58:40):
and I was having all of theserealizations and he was like,
you know, you're roomie, right,and I was like the fuck you say
to me, I was like, uh, and he'slike, and sometimes you're Mira,
and I was like, ah, and I waslike, okay, but then I realized
that my favorite part of thatbecause I watched it again and I

(59:02):
watched it by myself and I waslike and I was crying and
sobbing and everything but myfavorite thing about the movie
is that roomie zoe and mira arejust one.
They are when they're inharmony.
When the parts of them are inharmony, they are the strongest
force.
And with the whole k-pop demonhunters thing, my takeaway of it

(59:24):
is in learning to accept everypart of yourself, and that's how
you'll be able to fight thedemons, especially like mental
demons, things too.
It's like, once you accept andyou go on that journey of
accepting and loving every partof yourself, even a little bit,
just accepting it in just alittle bit, you'll start to find

(59:44):
who you really are.
And that's how that's like mywhole journey of coming back
from my, from my recovery andbeing Mei Mei and being like, oh
, I can rap again.
Oh, I like singing again.
Oh, oh, I can do this otherthing.
Oh, I'm a really scary, evil,sexy character.
Kazumi uh in um, the, the gameI'm in that I can't pronounce

(01:00:08):
that one.
Uh, sorry, um, I was like thatwith voice acting too.
My, my whole thing has been Iwant to make an impact.
I want to play a character thatwill make an impact on someone
that years from now, when theythink about like them growing up

(01:00:29):
and thinking about, oh, likewith K-pop Dune Hunter, surely
people are going to be like.
Oh, I remember when I, when Iwatched that and that character
and like I want to be thatcharacter, that someone can be
like she's that that characteris why I wanted to start voice
acting, that that actress is whyI wanted to start voice acting
when she played this character,that was like that was my dream.

(01:00:50):
I want to inspire dreams and II think that k-pop demon hunters
did that so well.
It's's so good, it's so good.
And the music oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
So good Baby Saja is my favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Baby Saja fan, yeah, goo.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Goo Gaga.
Yeah, they are so great.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Goo, goo Gaga.
Mira's voice actress isactually at Tampa Bay Comic Con
this weekend.
She was a late addition withinthe last couple of days.
I was like man, I wish so badthat I was going to that.
So hopefully she's badass,she's so good, so hopefully we
won't name the person who throwstogether the conventions.
We work with Eric, but nudge,nudge, hint, hint.

(01:01:33):
He'll never listen to this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
That'd be crazy.
That'd be crazy, so That'd becrazy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
So let's get them.
Let's get them here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Y'all doing a K-pop.
Also, could you guys imaginehosting the K-pop Demon Hunters
panel?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
No, it'd be.
I'd be like sorry, nobody getup here and ask any questions.
I have a bunch of questions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
So, actually I've written all of the questions.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
This is a fill-in-a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Fill-in-a.
Oh, my god god that's so goodshit.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Write that down.
People get people in line andbe like.
I feel like you want to askthis question, so I'll do it for
you yeah, I feel like I'mreading the room and I'm feeling
that my questions are the best,so I'm gonna say I just feel
like I should just step in here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I think I should take over.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
So like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
So they're fantastic.
It is now the most streamedoriginal animated film in
Netflix history and, yeah, it'sbeen a number one for weeks, I
think Golden.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Spotify records it's breaking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Golden is number one on the Billboard charts as well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
This is what it sounds like is my favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
That's the one I'm actually.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
That's what I'm planning on covering.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
That's my favorite.
When I listened to that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
When I listened to that I was like, oh, I am roomie
.
I was like, oh, Especiallybeing a young actress.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
That song is so good for so many reasons.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
This is what it sounds like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
This is what it sounds like, and then Free is
probably my second favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
That's also what I'm covering, so me and my partner
are hopefully going to do Free.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Those are my two faves, but they're all excellent
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
They're all fantastic .

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
So good yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Let's opt out of the game and let's just listen to
the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Let's just watch the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
You don't have a hard stop.
Eh, we can spend the next twohours watching the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Let's just watch the film I've been my own word.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Phil and me were like randomly singing Takedown, I
think, or maybe it was just me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Takedown, takedown.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Takedown, Takedown that lasted the whole week after
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
So it was nutty, but I definitely want us to keep the
fun going as we're wrapping upthis episode.
We always wrap up with a game,and I have one that is new, so
why don't we jump into that?
Phil again, super excited,super excited.
Let me you sure about that, yousure about that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Sure about that.
I'm scared but I'm excited.
Oh, what the hell is this?

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Let's get real, yeah so it's called let's Get Real.
Okay, and this is going to bereally fun.
The way that this game works isthis game has five pop culture
categories and each categorywill have six opinions listed in
each.
What I did was I went to chatGPT in each.

(01:04:43):
What I did was I went to chatGPT and I asked for the top hot
takes or unpopular opinions forall of these categories that
fans might secretly agree withbut don't often say out loud.
And these were six of the top20 responses that I got, and the
categories are going to bemovies, gaming, music, anime and
conventions.

(01:05:04):
Oh, so you got to pick out ofthose six opinions.
You both have to choose one andexplain why it's a valid take.
Whoever has the better takewins a point, and the first
person with three out of fivewins.
So it's going to be easy peasy.
You know, again, we're going tohave a great time with it, but
it's going to be easy peasy.
You know, again, we're going tohave a great time with it, but
we're going to start off withmovies, and for the movies

(01:05:26):
category, I'll read off all sixopinions and, bay as our guest,
you will get first crack atthese.
Okay, so whichever of yourchoice, the one that you
resonate with the most, our sixoptions are watching a movie at
home is better than going to thetheater.
Streaming a movie illegally ismore common than people admit,
and it should be embraced.
People who talk during moviesdeserve to be banned from

(01:05:49):
theaters for life.
Buying movies physically ispointless unless you're a
collector.
People pretend to like Oscarwinning movies more than they
actually do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Flo's a great example of that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Ouch, and popcorn is overrated and overpriced as a
movie snack.
So, bae, which take here, doyou resonate and you kind of
want to add a little bit ofadditional commentary on why
it's a valid take?

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Okay, because when I saw the, the physical movies, at
first I was like oh, and then Iwas like I broke I.
I grew up with a blockbusterlike two minutes from my house,
so physical movies that was suchan important part of my, of my
childhood was like oh, what canI get?
A scoopy do I'm to go with?
Popcorn is overrated.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Yeah, not a popcorn gal.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
It's not that I'm not a popcorn gal.
There's so many more things toget Like you can get all of
these assorted candies that younever see at the grocery store.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Like a good gummy.
Well, bay, you're going to haveto clarify, because you
eliminate half of them when youeliminate the gummies.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
So what chocolate are you getting?
Oh no, I fucked myself up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
What chocolate are you getting?
Or are you just getting hotdogs and nachos?

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Nachos.
Nachos is a solid.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
After you tell this, I will tell you my gross but
delicious movie snack.
Oh my God, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Okay, great, I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
I remember there's so many little treats.
You shouldn't really get thefrozen ones, though, because
they'll melt on you in the movieif you don't eat them fast
enough.
And you can't eat them fastenough because the commercials
are 45 minutes long.
So how could you buy somethingand it melts?
You can't get excited and havea chop during the commercial.
That being said, snow capsMm-hmm, okay, I do like sour

(01:07:41):
patch kids, so that gummy isokay okay oh, I don't think I
chose good you're like, you'relike popcorn starting to sound
really good actually it's likean add-on but it's not like the
most and they also make it soexpensive, like the popcorn is
like $20.
And that's something overrated.

(01:08:01):
Getting snacks at the movies myNana taught me to put it in
your purse and eat it when youget in there, because put it in
your purse at home, not when youshoplift for the movies, but
you put it in your purse.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
It should be illegal to actually buy large popcorns.
I don't think anyone ever eatsthat, but you spend so much for
a small, you might as well getthe large.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
So that's where I think it really gets crazy.
But the way that they get youis they're like well, a large is
20 cents more.
Do you just want that?
But no, my brother-in-law willeat the whole large popcorn by
himself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
They also now sell veryexpensive popcorn buckets, which
is kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Yeah, I'm a popcorn bucket guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Phil, do you have a take here?
Oh wait, no Babe.
My gross movie snack isTwizzlers with nacho cheese.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
I actually think I'm going to leave.
I actually think I want you toget me off of this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
If you could actually scrap this entire thing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Scrap this entire episode.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
We've never actually had a guest ask for an episode
to be taken down that hasn'thappened yet.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
It would be a shame if it started.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
I'm sorry, but you brought up Twizzlers and
something that I'm.
Did you say nacho cheese?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Hold on, Phil, Defend me though.
Okay, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I had the same reaction.
I was like straight to jail,like send him to jail guantanamo
no bond get out of here and Itried it.
It's.
It's actually not bad Iwouldn't go out of my way yeah,
I wouldn't go out of my way tobuy it myself, but when he does
get it I'm like let me get atwizzler With a dip, let me get
one, just do a little dip.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
It's something.
It's more for me.
I think the flavors, theflavors of the Twizzler and the
nacho cheese, collaboratesomehow.
I don't know how, but it justmakes me think.
It just makes me think.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
You're going to have to clip this, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
We're going to have to mark between that and scra
that little fucker.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
I think we've got some good clues, Scrappy do.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
That little fucker is the one who would go and get
Twizzlers and Nacho Cheese andthen spill it on you and be like
meh, and then you miss the bestpart of the fucking movie.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
You're like oh, why Twizzlers and Nacho Cheese?

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
why he always wanted to fight and I'm like I will
fight you outside, because Ipaid for this movie and it's
expensive and I want to sit here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Phil, what is your take that you resonate with here
?

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
It's close between two.
I will go with.
People pretend to like Oscarwinning movies more than they do
.
I refuse to believe.
People watched Amelia Perez andwere like like that's one of
the best films I've ever seen.
That should be up for anAcademy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Award.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I don't even know what that is, I don't even boy
it is we'll send you the episodeit's the movie about the
Mexican cartel like drug bossthat who the transition?

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
transgender transition.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
But it's also a musical and it features Zoe
Saldana.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
It's a bad musical too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
It's a really bad musical and it's an awful film.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
It's an awful film and then the actress who played
the main character also veryproblematic.
So it was a whole thing leadinginto the Oscars season.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Is she the one who had the nails?

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Possibly, oh, the nails possibly oh, there's one.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
That is that a different movie?

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
are you thinking of wicked?
Oh no, oh okay, when you saidthat I was like yeah, that can't
be like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
But I thought of nails.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I thought of um you know what's also look at my
nails.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Um, I do the cat's eye nail, so they do the.
I do the cat's eye nail, sothey do the.
Oh they, actually, if you putthem with blueberries, they look
like blueberries.
I'm sorry.
I love my nails.
It's very important to me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
We're obviously very in tune with nail culture, so we
know what you're talking about.
I love nails, but no she got.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
I remember watching.
Well, I stopped because I waslike, oh okay, it had a nail
thing on this commercial for theOscars and it was the actress.
She had gotten butterflies onher nails Because she got an
acrylic set for the movie.
And they were like and she hadto go back to the studio, to the

(01:12:18):
nail salon and get it everyweek because she decided to get
the exact same.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Oh no, I don't think that's no.
Yeah, just looking into it, butno, but that's just one of the
examples for for films that Irefuse to believe that people
actually enjoyed.
Also, we have we have proof ofconcept that even Oscar voters
don't really like movies becausethey don't even watch all the
movies that are nominated.

(01:12:44):
So how can we trust in?

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
them.
This one sounds like I saw themost commercials about it.
Yeah, so this one the kids aretalking about on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
And then one of the most egregious examples is Crash
, which is just a terrible film.
What's that?
It's a movie that came out, wonbest picture in when did it win
2004.
?

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
And it tries to be this, like you didn't see Crash
in 2004?
.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
No, because my eyes were.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Don't ever watch it, but it tries to be this open,
this dialogue about racism andprofiling all this stuff, and it
is terrible, so that one bestpicture in 2004, so or 2005 it
hasn't aged very well it didn'tall right well when it came out,
so two very compellingarguments.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Um, I'm gonna give the edge because amelia perez is
such a great example.
I'm gonna give movies to phil,and phil is up 1-.
Bae, you get first choice ineach of these as a guest
advantage.
And the next one is gaming, andI have six takes.
Which one do you resonate with?
Our first take, you don't needto get good.

(01:13:57):
Games should be enjoyable atany skill level.
Indie games often offer moreinnovation than big studio
titles.
Graphics are overrated.
Gameplay still matters most.
You don't need to finish everygame.
It's okay to drop it halfway.
Not every game needs an openworld.
Sometimes linear is better orolder games aren't always

(01:14:19):
classics because many of themaged poorly.
Bae, do you have any one thatyou're leaning towards and why?

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
um, let's see, well, most of my work is through like
indie games because I started.
The whole reason that I startedvoice acting was because of
visual novels.
Like that was like my big thing.
I was like I want to be.
I want to be in an elan studios.

(01:14:47):
That's one of my favoritevisual novels, but like uh, I
would say that one's from like awork perspective.
So, like I, I do agree withthat one especially, but also I
haven't been in very many bigstudio titles, so I don't know
what happens behind the room.
But I think that you don't needto finish every game and it's

(01:15:13):
okay to drop it halfway.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Because it's the experience and the nostalgia of
the game that you remember.
You don't remember playing thewhole game, like my partner and
I are watching gameplay ofassassin's creed.
So I've been I love etzio haand I've learned to do like my
italian accents and stuff likeoff of the assassin creed's game
and I was like like even withthose I'm like they're so cool,

(01:15:41):
it's like it's the story thatyou're there for, like you don't
actually have to play the gameif you like, want to watch the
cut scenes or something like.
But you know, like I don't know, I think that I'm not a gamer,
if this can uh say this shows.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Yeah, no, that's okay , but that's a good take because
, like a lot of these games,have a lot of like aura behind
them, like from the charactersto the story.
Like you don't always have tofinish a game to feel that like
the intention behind.
Yeah again.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
It's also the same as like not finishing an anime
yeah and then picking it up andyou're like wait, but I did I
finish this.
And you're like, no, has itbeen three years?
You're like I still don't wantto finish it.
I think I get it I think it'sgreat.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah, I think it's.
I think it's great.
Yeah, I think it's great.
Yeah, I like that.
That's a actually compellingargument, phil.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Oh, thank God so.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Phil, which one are you going to go with to combat
that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
You know, I agree, because there are people that
put together cut scenes and alittle bit of gameplay just so
you can watch a game from startto finish.
Yeah, people do that all thetime.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
That's what I'm doing with Assassin's Creed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yeah, there are games that I knew I wasn't going to
actually buy and play, but I'vestill watched playthroughs just
to see, because I was veryinterested in the story I will
definitely go with.
Not every game needs to be anopen world.
Sometimes linear is better.
I'll go as far as saying Ithink linear is better when it
comes to an open world, andsometimes games can just get
overwhelming with the amount ofchoices.
It's one of the reasons I havenot beaten and I've restarted

(01:17:11):
Cyberpunk 2077 so many times.
It is an overwhelming amount ofthings to do and they're good
things, but sometimes, like,some of the best experiences
I've had in terms of gaming arelinear experiences.
So give me just like, but youknow also, conversely, like you
know, there's the Red Deads ofthe world and Horizon Zero Dawns
.
But like those linearexperiences when you you know

(01:17:33):
the story you want to tell andyou want to tell me where to go
and you have confidence in thatstory, I think that's good, we
need.
I think we need more of that.
So, yeah, but indie games alsodo offer more innovation.
But indie games also do offermore innovation.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Yes, yes, yes.
Both of these very compelling,I will say I do have to go with
my gut and my biased opinion.
I do agree that sometimeslinear is better, but some of my
favorite games are open world.
So, because I have a preferenceand Bae had a very good
argument, bae, you're going totake the point here.
Yes, and you're going to tie itup 1-1, which brings us to music
.
And you're going to tie it up1-1.

(01:18:05):
Which brings us to music.
And six takes here for you tochoose from.
The most popular songs soundthe same and that's why people
like them.
Concerts are often overpricedand underwhelming.
Lyrics aren't always important.
Sometimes vibes matter morethan words.
Listening to the same song onrepeat for hours is normal.

(01:18:27):
Nostalgia makes people overratemusic from their teens, and
album rollouts with crypticteasers are more annoying than
they are exciting.
Bae, which one of these do youvibe with the most?

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Oh my God.
The one that I absolutely donot vibe with is lyrics aren't
always important.
My partner, he's anaward-winning lyricist and so
his, his whole thing, is likelyrics are so important.
Don't fuck with the lyrics.
This is how you write.
Whether you want to learn, ifyou want to learn, you want to
learn.
It's so important because it'sthe story of the song.

(01:18:59):
Yeah, if you're sorry, I'mgonna go with.
Nostalgia makes people overratetheir music, the music from
their teens yeah because theydon't think it's overrated.
Until they talk to someone andthey're like did you hear?
Like remember this song Ilistened to and it's like the

(01:19:20):
most crunchiest like listeningto it now.
It's like the crunchiest, likeoh, oh, but where did you record
that in?
Is this home produced?
But not well, uh, but it's like, but that's the thing about
those is that it's the aura ofthose and what you were going
through in your life that waslike this is what.

(01:19:40):
This is what mattered to me,especially listening the same
song on repeat too.
I agree with that one.
It's totally normal.
That's what me is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
This is what it sounds like in the entire k-pop
demon album yeah, my spotifyrap's ruined, so I just yeah,
don't even, don't even go, uhyeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Oh, conan gray was like my.
I didn't even wasn't on spotifythat much, but he was like my
top artist for three years in arow and I was like, and it's
because I would listen to thereally sad songs that hit so
like family line, that hit sodeep that I was like, no, it's
okay, I can cry for a few morehours, it's fine.
But I love gg perez.

(01:20:16):
Gg perez is my favorite artistright now.
Chemistry by gg perez so good,and that feeling good feeling is
also what I will.
Thank people that.
The reason that feels so goodto me is the nostalgia of other
songs that I would listen to.

(01:20:36):
It has the same frequencies, sothe same frequencies that you
listen to about certain songs.
That makes them like reallystick from your, your teens.
It's different when you'reolder and then you listen to
something you're like wait, whydid I like?
What's the vibe of this?

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
if that makes sense no, yeah, because yeah yeah, I
think that's a strong one topick.
Um, I think there's a lot ofvalidity, of validity there, and
then when you don't get it,they're like, well, you just
don't understand.
It's like, yeah, it's kind ofyeah, I don't it's it's.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
It's your worldview of the music.
That's why everyone has theirown music taste yeah it's.
Their music is such a huge thingthat you get to choose and you
get to go on that discovery.
So even if somebody was like Iwould even say like somebody
saying to someone that thatmusic is overrated I wouldn't
really want that I would thinkwhen that person realizes that

(01:21:32):
like, hey, it's time for me tomove past this, I can go past
this, that's when I think thatthey're like oh well, this is a
little overrated because I couldhave gone past that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's great, that's great.
Phil, what are you resonatingwith?

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Yeah, just to touch on that even really quick.
I don't even think itnecessarily has to be from the
teens, because I just pulled upmy 2019 Spotify rap and I'm like
I don't want to listen to anyof those songs.
That was six years ago, so Iwas in a totally different
headspace.
So, even from the teen, itdoesn't even have to be like
from your teenage years, butmine would probably be.
Most popular songs sound thesame and that's why people like

(01:22:08):
them.
There is that you can find somany examples on YouTube or
TikTok or Instagram of all thesesongs that just share the same
rhythm.
They share the same metronomesound and then you just put the
song over it and the frequenciesthere we go Yep, and they just
all sound the same.
And I'm not sit here and saythat I'm I don't like some.
Most of those popular songs andwhat works works, but there is

(01:22:32):
a algorithm to the business andpeople know what works like well
, specifically like agents, andthese people that are in charge
unfortunately know what worksand what makes money and you
know it is what it is.
But I'm not to say that some ofthose popular songs aren't good
, but, yeah, they pretty much dosound the same.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah, I mean, that's what pop is Right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
It's popular because it fits a certain norm that
people are already used to.
Yep yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Yeah, both really good, probably two of the strong
ones on here.
Yeah, this is going to be tough.
I'm going to give the slightestof slightest edges to Bay on
this one Going up 2-1.
But it was very close.
That honestly could have goneeither way.
I almost thought about flippinga coin.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Whoever has the lyrics.
Opinion, though, should bekicked in the throat.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
No, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Can I?

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
take a picture of that for my partner.
Yes, I'll be like you're notgoing to believe this?

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Can you believe that ChatGPT said that people will
see this and he will be like ohyeah, of course it did.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Of course it did yeah .

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Our next category, second to last, is anime.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
So go in here, bathe for the win or fill the tide.
Does that little character havea pair of?

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
scissors in his back.
Can you go back earlier?
No, that's a sword.
Oh, it's a sword.
I thought he got like stabbedin the back.
He also might have been stabbed.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
That's true.
I thought that was her hair tie.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
I thought it was a little bow but no, I see it now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
I was definitely worried that they had got
stabbed, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Uh, here, here are she sheathed her wreath with her
gosh, let's go ahead and talkabout these six opinions and bay
.
You'll choose your mostrelatable one here.
When it comes to anime, firstFirst sub versus dub is an
outdated argument that needs tostop.
The anime industry needs toslow down.

(01:24:30):
There's too many seasonal anime.
Anime doesn't automaticallylook better than Western
animation and it's not alwaysdeeper in its story either.
Power scaling debates arepointless and ruin the fandoms.
Many anime don't know how toend and shouldn't even have more
than one season.
And you don't need to watchhundreds of anime or certain
classics to be considered a realanime fan.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
Ah, okay, I really like the last one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Yeah, that kind of fit what you were talking about
earlier too.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Because the whole thing with media is it's your
own experience and how you seethe world.
So, and also, I don't reallylike people being like oh well,
a whole thing with sub and dubtoo is like they're completely
different.
Sub is its own, that's an ownculture like that.

(01:25:27):
That is their own, their ownthing.
And dub is also different and Idon't think that they should be
put between each other becausethey're so different and that's
just something.
So, yeah, I I agree that it'san outdated argument, but even
though it's an outdated argument, nobody's gonna stop to stop
because that's such an.
That's something with being areal anime fan.

(01:25:49):
Is that that's something you'relike oh well, you're only a
real anime fan if you, if youwatch the sub, and then that's
how you really understand andit's like no, like I'm sorry.
My favorite anime are littleones that I've seen throughout
the years that just holdsomething.
Fullmetal Alchemist is one ofmy favorite animes of all time

(01:26:12):
and I started with the firstFullmetal Alchemist and then I
watched Brotherhood and then Iwas like, oh my gosh.
But yeah, I definitely thinkthat you don't need to watch
hundreds.
You just need to find what fitsinto your life.
Need to watch hundreds.
You just need to find what,what fits into your life and it
doesn't.
Who wants to be like?
Nobody can tell you.
Tell somebody that they're areal fan because it's their own

(01:26:34):
experience.
What, what in in this person.
If they're like having a debateand they're like, well, you,
you don't watch naruto, soyou're not a real anime fan.
I, I'm so sorry.
Yu Yu Hakusho is one of the mostincredible animes ever, and
that's what a lot of the shounen, that's what all the shounen

(01:26:54):
anime are based off of.
They're trying to copy pasteeverything.
Kuwabara is my favorite, butand Botan, but like, see, it's
like that's also a thing withnostalgia too, is that you don't
remember.
Maybe you watch like 100 animein a year, but you're not gonna
remember like ones you actuallywere glued to the screen, for

(01:27:16):
which ones you actually were soexcited they had a new season,
like it's.
Anime is something that itworks for some people, that they
understand and it means so muchto them, and for some people
they just don't.
They don't.
It's not that they don't get it, it doesn't fit into their
worldview.
And so I really agree with that, is like you absolutely don't

(01:27:40):
need to watch any hundredsbecause you're not.
You don't have the capabilityof remembering hundreds, any at
hundreds because you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
You don't have the capability of remembering
hundreds.
Yeah, you are.
No, I I would never recommendsomebody watch dragon ball z and
go through all the filler likebetween the battles and stuff,
although I I do say it's a hugeanime to have consumed at that
time, like if you missed out onit, you just missed out on it.
Yeah, I would never recommendit.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
We were just talking about how Chala Hetala was one
of the top.
It was the top anime soundtracksong for over a decade.
It was like number one.
I was like, yeah, because youremember it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
It's crazy, crazy.
Call out, there, phil, what isyour choice in this category?
There, phil, what is yourchoice in this category?

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
My choice and not for the obvious reason listed here
in the statement is the animeindustry needs to slow down to
mini-seasonal anime, and thereason is because anime is the
mainstream now and it is sopopular and studios, and studio
executives, more importantly,are recognizing that that and

(01:28:48):
it's going to start producingand giving us more anime that
are essentially the same andwe're going to see less
innovation in anime than we doright now.
The thing about anime that makesit so special and it's so great
is that it's so experimentaland there is something for
everybody.
And the worry is that now thatnetflix and hulu all these big

(01:29:08):
studios which is a good thingmore people are watching more
anime.
But you know we're going to getthe same type of shows over and
over again.
So it's not because I don'twant to see more anime and more
shows come out, becauseobviously Bay and the industry
we are in, we want more to comeout.
We'd like to have more work,but it's a little concerning
because you don't want it.

(01:29:29):
You know everything, to kind ofbe copy and paste.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
Yeah, like every isekai ever right now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Basically that whole genre.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
Yes, I said one, I said an isekai, because
literally you can say anysentence and then, like, you can
say any sentence at all inanother world and it's already a
new anime franchise.
Yeah, uh, I said one like, like, and I'm just not an isekai
type gal, but the same thingwith that, especially as that

(01:29:56):
anime studios and people thatpick up it, they gotta, they're
picking up as much as they can,as much as they can afford to
pick up.
So the fact that, like, all ofthese isekai are being made and
like specific stuff it's justcopy and paste, is like okay,
are you sure?

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Are you sure?
Yeah, and those typically willalso fall underneath the
category, in my experience, thatthey don't know how to end, and
sometimes they should have justbeen a season.
Those are the ones that I endup watching, maybe enjoying, and
then I fall off on very often.
Yeah, both of these are reallyreally close, phil.
I'm going to give you theslight edge here to bring us to

(01:30:36):
the final round before we endour episode here.
Oh boy, and this is talkingabout conventions Everybody's
favorite thing.
This is talking aboutconventions, everybody's
favorite thing.
This is how we met, so itshould be not surprising to see
a pop culture.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
What is on this list?

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
We've got six opinions.
Starting with, conventionsaren't as magical once you've
worked behind the scenes.
Big cons are just glorifiedmerch malls now.
Most Artist Alley stuff looksthe same now.
Nobody really likes going topanels.
They just don't have anythingbetter to do.
Con programming is getting morerepetitive every year and voice

(01:31:19):
actor guests are overhyped.
Bay, I know a lot of these hurtyou, but is there one that you
resonate with at all Bay justwent through all of the Akira
screams, is that yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
So I want to keep my job, so I'm not going to speak
on the last one.
Gosh, I'm going to go ifconventions aren't as magical
once you've worked behind thescenes, because it's a different
type of magical.
But I was a cosplayer and so Iwas a high school cosplayer.

(01:32:00):
So I was like I was sooutcasted from my people at my
school but I had the cosplaycommunity, was hit or miss
sometimes, but the cosplaycommunity was everything that I,
that I had.
It was like that was my family,that was my friend group, and

(01:32:21):
the only times I got to see themwere at cons.
That's when we'd all get to seeeach other.
And the only times I got to seethem were at cons.
That's when we'd all get to seeeach other.
So being a cosplayer and beinga voice actor guest is
completely different.
However, not a cosplay guest,though.
I mean you know differentthings Not being a guest.
I love usually the cosplayguests.
They're so sweet, um and.

(01:32:43):
But the big thing for me is thatmy dream was to be able to be
at cons and be like on the concircuit and like like people
actually come to the con becausethey want to see me, like they
know who I am.
That happens sometimes too,where people are like oh my gosh

(01:33:05):
, I loved you in this and I'mlike, you know who I am.
That happens sometimes too,where people will be like oh my
gosh, I loved you in this andI'm like, you know who I am like
, how do you know who I am?
And I'm like, if you google myname, my imdb pops up first.
It's like I don't, I don't know.
But yeah, I think that nowconventions as as behind the

(01:33:25):
scenes, is much more exhaustingand a different type of
exhaustion level and it's moredangerous, considering because I
mean, you guys know I have alot of stalkers and so it puts
me in a more.
It's not as much of a dangerousposition as I would be if I was
just a cosplayer, you know,like going through the con, but

(01:33:50):
it's different being behind thescenes because I am on high
alert of every.
I can't enjoy the con usually.
I love meeting people and Ilove getting to do the panels
and things especially, butbecause it's so high risk and
scary Sometimes Because youdon't know who you're going to

(01:34:10):
see or who you're going to meetor who they'll remember you as,
and so that definitely is for meit's just a different type of
magical, and that it's likeWorking behind the scenes at a
con.
Is Madoka Magica kind ofmagical?
The other ones are like SailorMoon.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Yeah, that's a good way of describing it, I think,
for us, phil, I think we agreethat it very much turns into
like an extra extension of a jobat some point.
But there's elements that youcan enjoy in that.
But, phil, what are you leaningtowards here?

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Yeah, and just to tag onto that, a different kind of
magical, like you said, we alsojust wanted to be part of that
circuit and be behind the scenes.
So it certainly is stressful,but it's a different type of,
like you said, it is work.

Speaker 4 (01:35:06):
Literally.
Yeah, it's just work.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
So I will definitely go.
Big cons are just glorifiedmerch malls.
Now we have absolutely nodesire to return to a mega con.
You know, obviously San DiegoComic Con is on the bucket list.
Like we want to go there, justto go one day.
But like I saw videos from thispast weekend of the lines and
how, how cramped people are inthere and like you have to get

(01:35:29):
in line hours ahead of a panel,like we're not going to be able
to just walk into a marvel panel, you know, like that's just not
how it works at san diegocomic-con.
I assume it's the same at a newyork city comic-con, a c2e2 in
chicago.
You know stuff like that.
So, but when you walk into I'lljust use Megacon as the example,
because that's the one we go tothe most when it, because it's

(01:35:50):
just like all that magic is gone.
It's just so.
It just feels so corporatelyrun in there.
And I will go for certainguests.
Like I went a couple of yearsago to meet Kihi Kwan.
It was incredible, but I got tospeak to him for 10, 15 seconds
.
They, but I got to speak to himfor 10, 15 seconds.
They took the picture and thenyou're out of there, so it's not
like I really got apersonalized experience with him
.

(01:36:12):
It wasn't like when I met AdamCole, right, eric?
I got to have a conversationwith Adam Cole he's one of my
favorite wrestlers but with KikiKwan and I assume, like when
they had oh my gosh, eric, whyam I blanking on Anakin
Skywalker's?

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Christensen is there.
I'm sure you don't get to talkto them.
I have an autograph back heresomewhere from Jeff Goldblum.
It's a Jurassic Park autograph.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
I love Jurassic Park.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
I do too.
It's my franchise, but hedidn't even look at me when he
signed the autograph and it'sjust like a scribble.
Now it is consistent with allof his other autographs.
I looked it up just to makesure I didn't just get like a
wiggly line, but I didn't get totalk to him.
He was talking to all the yesmen he was surrounded by, it's
like so you know, yeah, it'sjust a merch mall now and,

(01:36:54):
honestly, you can have a muchbetter experience in one of the
smaller shows in your area, suchas Ocala Comic Con coming up in
September in Ocala, florida.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
We'll see you there.
Great, great plug opportunity.
Uh, both of these are are veryvalid and phil, we definitely
have a lot of opinions about uh,but I gotta say you know, being
behind the scenes and reallyhaving that experience, I'm
gonna give this one and the wintoday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
So congratulations.
I was going to be so graciouswith this Rematch.
I want different categoriesright now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
No, we're already over time, unfortunately, but
you know what this?

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
is going to be a great opportunity for us to.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Oh hell.
No, Honestly, he was actuallyholding that in.
I do want you to know he wasbeing polite, but I knew the
second you said snowcaps, thedisgust that he was hiding was
real.

Speaker 4 (01:37:56):
Snowcaps are more disgusting than Twizzlers and
nacho sauce you can't knockuntil you try it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
You can't knock until you try it.
I don't want to hear theslander.
Don't bring me in.
What did you say?
Fuck me.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
I hadn't said that yet, but what I am saying fuck
you too is when I go to thegrocery store later, I'm not
getting anything for both of you.
That involves gummies Again.
What did I do?
Thinking of fruit kicks again?

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Are you a licorice person anyway?
No, speaking of fruit kicksagain.
Are you a licorice personanyway?
No, okay, I didn't know thatwas going to be a triggering
word.
I don't actively go byTwizzlers.
Eric is a Twizzler guy.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
I don't know if you like red vines, right, just
Twizzlers.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
The only thing that's like red van Red vine is
somebody's cousin.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
It's like yeah, red vines are gross.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
But what I was going to say before I lost my mind.
The only thing I know aboutlicorice is Mr Licorice or King
Licorice, from Candyland.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
The only licorice we acknowledge, the only licorice,
and I was like ooh, maybe I'lltaste some.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Well, anyway, before we just completely started
getting violent there.
This was a lot of fun.
That was a good game.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
I like that one, yeah for sure.
Well, bay, thank you so muchfor joining us.
We ran a little bit over.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
We're sorry about that but uh, we, uh, we uh we,
uh, would love to have you backon.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
We've had, we've had josh back on for a couple of
bonus episodes that we do withthe podcast, so I'll definitely
keep you, keep you in the loopfor that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
Bonus round and.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
I always bring guests back on as a surprise to Eric
too, so he never knows who'scoming on.
So we will chat.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
I'm going to pop up with my Twizzlers Honestly, if
you would try it live.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
I would really like that, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Yeah, you should live try it.
Actually, when we'll bring youback on, you can try it, but the
thing is you got to buy it.
The cheese does have to be hot,right, eric?
You haven't had it with coldnacho cheese have you?

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
I hope not.
It's not ideal.
It's better if it's like niceand warm.
But yeah, I mean it's not ideal.
I would recommend somethingthat's crunchy.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Twizzlers are not crunch, they're.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
So snow caps?
Oh so you'll try it on snowcaps.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Maybe it'll make them taste better.
That's crazy.
I could get snow caps at.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
Blockbuster.
Oh, I miss Blockbuster.
I do too, but again, thank youso much for joining us here this
evening.
It was long overdue, but we'reso happy we finally got you in.
Cannot wait for people to hearyour story.
So please let everybody knowany projects you're working on
that you're allowed to talkabout, and also let us know
where people can find your workand if you are making any

(01:40:37):
appearances anywhere between nowand the end of the year,
starting in September.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Yes, so you can find me at BaydoxyVA on Twitter,
baydoxy on Instagram andBaydoxycom oh my gosh, that's me
, that's my website, that's meand I have my own domain, which
is pretty cool.
You can get that.
It's pretty easy to get, but Ithink it's cool.
I don't have anything toannounce right now, but, hmm, I

(01:41:08):
don't know.
I'm kind of a mystery.
That's why you follow me andyou're like what's she doing now
?
I forgot the question again,but you can find me at oh, oh,
you can also find me on myYouTube channel.
There we go At BayDoxie, andI'll be releasing Hopefully by
this.
When this comes out, I'll havemy a few covers released and

(01:41:29):
hopefully a Woke Up cover,because every time anybody sees
me, that's all I do is I wrapWoke Up.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, and noconvention appearances right now
.
I took a little break.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Understandable, yeah, especially because of what we
just talked about.
So, yeah, 100% yeah, but if youknow to keep up with everything
as far as Bay's work, onceagain, everything will be in the
show notes of this episode, somake sure you find her there if
you want to keep up with thewait for podcast.
If maybe you're coming fromBay's community and this is the
first time you've ever listenedto us also, the link tree link

(01:42:06):
is in the show notes of this andevery single episode.
If you want to join any of ourcommunities, the best places to
follow us would be Instagram,tik TOK, our growing discord
channel, as well as Twitch,where we are streaming quite a
bit.
So all of that is extremelyhelpful.
If you want to support thepodcast a little extra, you can
go over to Apple Podcasts,spotify, wherever you're
listening.
Leave a five-star review.

(01:42:27):
Also like share, subscribe onYouTube.
And if you want to join a very,very exclusive community and
get these episodes super earlyand get some behind-the-scenes
stuff, eric will let you knowabout that before wrapping us up
.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Yeah, and that's through Patreon, where patrons
of the show like Briar T3Kato,vintage Macaroni Corey from the
World's my Burrito and NickCasparo, the author of the
Vidalarium series, support usmonthly and in exchange for that
support, they're getting behindthe scenes and early access to
episodes like this one.
So if you want to be a part ofthat tight-knit community,

(01:43:01):
definitely support us there, butif you're not in a position to
do so, all the free stuffdefinitely helps.
That Phil just mentioned, andit goes a long, long way.
Make sure to also check outeverything that our guest has
going on and, with that beingsaid, my name is Mr Eric
Almighty.
That is my co-host, phil theFilipino and our guest, bae, and
please remember that we releasenew episodes every Wednesday

(01:43:24):
for the podcast and all you gotto do is wait for it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
This is the Wait For it Podcast.

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