Creator Spotlight: Josh Portillo

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey everyone, Welcome back to the Wait For it Podcast
.
I'm your co-host, Phil Barrera,aka Phil the Filipino.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
And I'm your other co-host, mr Eric Almighty, and
we are back with CreatorSpotlight and for this edition
we've brought along a friend.
We can now say, after meetinghim at Brick City Anime Festival
just a few months ago, we arenow excited to bring him on as
promised for this particularseries.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
So excited.
We've been working on this fora few months now.
It's also crazy to think thatwe're already two months removed
from Brick City Anime Festival,because we're here in March.
We're recording this episode alittle bit earlier in March, but
yeah, it is crazy that the yearis just flying by.
But, ladies and gentlemen,let's welcome in our guest here

(01:24):
this evening, josh portillo.
Josh, we met you, like we said,brick city anime festival and
we're just so excited to workwith you again here.
How are you doing tonight?
And thank you so much for thetime hey, phil, eric, thank you
for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
um, it is a pleasure to be here, an honor to be.
First off, I just want to sayyou all made myself and my cast
feel so welcomed at Brick Cityand we love you all.
So they haven't they've beentalking about you like on
Instagram and such in our groupsor on Twitter, because we have
a group there too and you knowthey can't wait to to talk with

(02:00):
you all more.
But no, yeah, I'm doing well,staying chill, getting busy,
talk with you all more, but, um,no, yeah, I'm doing well,
staying chill.
Um, getting busy, uh, it's, youknow, it's like you said, it's
already.
We're already two months, likeyou know, removed from brick
city and the year is just flyingby.
And as a voiceover artist, as avoice actor, like, once you get
more into the year, work startsto get more busy.

(02:23):
So, it's, I'm feeling it andjust trying to space out the
recording sessions to, you know.
So I don't blow my throat out,so, but, yeah, it's a pleasure
to be here.
Thank you for having me y'all.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Absolutely.
We're very excited to talkabout so many different things.
Josh is also a JacksonvilleJaguar fan.
We got inkling that he is awrestling fan.
We share a whole lot of fandoms.
Who knows how long this episodeis going to go.
I don't think Josh gave us ahard stop, so we're just going
to be hanging out here tonight.

(02:58):
So, eric, very excited to jumpinto this conversation and, like
I said, just kind of, it'sreally going to be like a choose
your own adventure.
We'll just see what happensnext.
Light, dark, neutral.
Actually, eric, do you have a?
Can you go get some of the dicefrom your son?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I've got a dice tower or the wheel, or the wheel, or
the wheel, the wheel.
Let's not introduce the Wheelof Chaos to what is going to be
a very chaotic but great episode.
And honestly, phil, this issomething I'm really excited to
kind of get into.
So if you want to get throughour first spiel at the beginning
for our audience new orreturning we'll go ahead and

(03:36):
jump into it and I'll let youtake the first question here.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, first and foremost, Josh, just take a
moment to introduce yourself toour audience and let everybody
know what you do.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Absolutely so.
My name is Josh Portillo andborn and raised Jacksonville,
florida.
Do all been a Jaguars fan since2008, since Garrard was there,
since you know MJD, all that,since that dreadful five and 11
season that was my firstofficial season as a football
fan, not going to say anything.
But you know MJD, all that.
Since that dreadful 5-11 season, that was my first official
season as a football fan.

(04:07):
Not going to say anything.
But you know, I just did.
But no, I'm a professionalvoiceover artist, voice actor.
Been doing it since 2018.
So seven years already Going on, my seventh year coming this
September.
But, yeah, been doing that forseven years.

(04:27):
Went full time in 2022, tookthe leap and I've been scared
ever since because it is it's,it's scary being a freelancer.
So, you know, just trying tomake dreams a reality.
But, yeah, that's pretty muchme.
I will probably get intocredits and stuff later on.
But yeah, that's pretty much me.
I will probably get intocredits and stuff later on.
But yeah, that's pretty much me.

(04:48):
I love wrestling.
I love, um, love, video games.
Uh, I, I credit video games andcartoons for, uh, you know,
besides my friends, besides mymom, kind of saving my life
whenever I was younger Cause.
Uh, um, you know, when you'regrowing up as a, as a heavyset
kid and you don't really knowhow to make friends, kind of go
home.
And then you know, when you'regrowing up as a, as a heavyset
kid and you don't really knowhow to make friends, kind of go
home, and then you know thethings that you, that you're

(05:08):
into.
Well, for me it was likestarfox, it was ed ed netty and
all that.
That was like my friends, youknow, growing up, until you know
I grew up a little bit and met,you know people and all that um
had friend groups but growingup was kind of tough and you
know those know those type ofthings really did.
You know they were there for me.
I remember playing Star Fox 64religiously every day.

(05:31):
I'd make my mom, you know, haveme rent it from, like let me
rent it from Blockbuster, or youknow, wait until 10 pm on
Fridays.
Oh yeah, on Fridays, because onCartoon Network that's when Ed
Edd n Eddy came on and then youknow, before that I'd watch,
like Dexter's Lab or some.
You know those type of cartoons.

(05:51):
So yeah, I credit those a lot.
But yeah, I'm going to talk alot if y'all don't stop me.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's so funny you mention having to tell a parent
to keep going back toBlockbuster to like rent the
same game over and over again.
That game for me was game day98.
I don't know if you guysremember that on the ps1, and I
was living in michigan at thetime and like I would just like
spam the crap out of barrysanders all the time, like I
thought.

(06:17):
I thought I was good at footballgames, but really I just had
barry sanders, uh.
And then finally one day, forchris or one Christmas, I got a
Game Day game.
They finally were like we haveto stop going to Blockbuster and
getting the same game we'relosing money going Blockbuster
renting this we should have justkept the game.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
We should have never returned it For those of you
that don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Blockbuster was a place that you would go and rent
movies and video games.
Yes, RIP.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yes, it was great To Blockbuster.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
It was great.
Yeah, eric, a lot of sharedexperiences there, it sounds
like from Josh.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh, 100%, and that's what's going to make this
episode really entertaining, atthe very least.
So I'm very excited to get intoit, and, phil, let's get
started.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah.
So, josh, one question wedefinitely like to ask a lot of
our voice acting guests.
You know, when did you firstrealize that voiceover versus
voice acting could be somethingyou pursued full-time, could be
a career?
Because I know, you know, wewere much later in our lives,
eric, where we realized, oh,this is something you know.
When it comes to also eventhinking about podcasting, oh,

(07:19):
we could do this all the time.
When was that realization foryou?

Speaker 1 (07:23):
This may be a little winded question, so you know I
apologize for how long it couldbe, but growing up, you know, I
was really shy and I, you know Ialways, you know, playing Metal
Gear Solid, playing all thesegames.
I was like, you know, it'd beso cool to sound like David
Hayter, to sound like Raiden toyou know.
To you know, I'd hear all theseactors and you know, to you
know, I'd hear all these actorsand you know the one voice, Fox

(07:47):
McCloud from Star Fox 64, whileas many lines as he had during
that game, you know, and FalconLombardi and all the characters
in that game, they didn't havethey had a good amount of lines,
but they were all memorable andthat really impacted me as a
kid.
And you know, when I wasyounger I would be like man, it
would be so cool to do somethinglike that, but acting just felt

(08:12):
so far away.
Maybe it was because I was, youknow, growing up I had a little
speech impediment, so it didn't.
Really that didn't give me alot of confidence in myself.
As I've mentioned before, I wasa heavyset kid, didn't have a
lot of confidence for numerousreasons beyond that too, and it
just seemed like something thatwas just far-fetched.

(08:34):
Fast forward, you know, by thetime when I was 25, I find
myself kind of going in it tosupport a friend.
That's how I got into voiceacting to support a friend.
He wanted to get into voiceacting.
By that point, him and I, wewent to high school together.
We did some stage plays, stagemusicals.
We did Phantom of the Opera andFiddler on the Roof together,

(08:55):
and then in college I did, youknow, my friend another friend
of mine was in operas, so Ihelped out in like ensemble for
a few of those and I did a fewacting classes here and there.
So it was something I alwayskind of dabbled in.
But my confidence I mean beingtruthful with you I have

(09:16):
probably, I've always hadself-esteem issues begun to get
more open about and it's, youknow, it's really hard to handle
sometimes, uh.
So that that was one factor.
But going back to my friend whowanted to do uh, to do voice
acting, he just wanted to do itand I was like, you know, I need

(09:36):
something good in my life rightnow.
Uh, don't know what I'm doingin college, uh, which is
majority of everybody, so that'snormal.
But I decided to dive in itwith him, and that was back in
2018.
And the more I did it, the moreI was like man, this is really
fun.
I wonder if he can make acareer out of this.

(09:59):
And I remember my friendtalking to me and he's just like
you're going in three differentways.
You're wanting to be a personaltrainer at that time, you're in
student affairs too, and you'redoing voice acting and you seem
like you really like him voiceacting a lot more.
He's like I know it's a verydangerous, you know, path too,

(10:21):
because it's uncertain, actingis uncertain.
So you know are too, becauseit's uncertain, acting is
uncertain.
Um, so, you know, are youwilling to do that?
Do you love it?
And that's like the one factorthat we talked about Do you love
it compared to these other twothings?
And, uh, you know I made thedecision.
You know I'm uh, I think I wasabout like, yeah, 25, 26 at the

(10:42):
time or something like that, andbecause right now, I just
turned 30 in January.
So you know I was like, ok,yeah, I'd probably take the leap
right now and see how it goes.
From that point, I took classeslearning more about the field,
how it flows, and, you know,started to really kind of just
take myself seriously, not untillike 2022, 2023.

(11:03):
I know I'm kind of jumping allover the place, but that's
around the time.
You know that I really got it,got serious into, and when I
went full time was 2022.
Cause I was like, you know, myfriends are telling me to take
the leap.
You know I've taken thenecessary steps.
I've learned about voice actinga little bit.
I have a little bit of ability.
I think I can handle myself.
You know I there's other jobsthat you know I'm interested in

(11:26):
besides just, you know, thecharacter work, there's
narration, there is other stufftoo, and I was like, okay, yeah,
you know you're young only once.
So you know, just take the leapand see what happens.
So we're in it right now and,yeah, that's, that's how I'm
here with you all.
There's a lot of details I leftout but for the sake of time I

(11:48):
didn't want to, kind of you knowYou're doing great.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, that's perfect.
I think I can speak for PhilLike that's exactly what we're
looking for, cause I think thecool thing about why we started
this particular series iswhenever you're jumping into the
mind of somebody that'screative or creating anything,
there's such a uniqueperspective and journey that
comes along with that and we getto take people along the ride
for that and kind of stickingwith that theme.

(12:12):
And where we are in theconversation, I'm very curious
what your peaks and your valleyshave been, as far as your highs
and your lows, and I'd love toknow whatever comes to mind
first about what that looks like, because I know, when we talk
to voice actors, a lot of timeand a lot of people in this
industry, there are so many no'sthat you are getting right,

(12:35):
you're auditioning, you're doingall of these things, but man,
when you get that, yes, it is sosweet.
So I'd love to know from yourjourney what have been maybe the
biggest peaks or the biggesthigh in your career so far and
if you're comfortable talkingabout the low point giving us
that compare and contrast.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
So the biggest highs for me?
There's been a good amount thatI can go off of, that I can go
off of, but I guess all theyeses have been the biggest
highs because, again, being aguy who is learning to have
better self-esteem, every yesseems it's an adrenaline boost,

(13:19):
it's a confidence boost, it'sconfirming that I'm in, I'm in
it, I'm in the field and, uh,you know, there are just so many
moments that I could, I can gooff of.
I mean to be, to be real, likethe biggest one so far, and not
to, you know, put everythingelse like on the bottom or

(13:39):
anything.
This is just the first thingthat comes to mind is when my
friends and I got Noctiton.
That's you know, that's youknow, I call it a cult classic
becoming a cult classic.
The manga is still ongoing.
It's only one anime, but it'sthe deer anime and it's funny.
If you're wanting a big, giantSNL skit into an anime, that's

(14:02):
Noctiton, that's my dear friend,noctiton.
And you know being also on atechnical level, being also
remote, living in Florida.
This isn't not to put shade onvoice hubs, but this isn't Texas
, this isn't New York, thisisn't Los Angeles.
I'm in the middle of Floridaand Florida is trying to get

(14:23):
there, but it's not.
You know, they haven't had thea company go to the levels of
crunchy roll yet they haven'thad that boom of artists like
Los Angeles has over the courseof I don't know 60 or 70, I
don't know how many decades, um.
But you know, uh, there aresome artists out here that are
good and I'm, you know, um, I'mone of them that's grinding and

(14:47):
to have something like that,that was a big high.
That was a confirmation thatyou know you're doing something
right.
And I think, as artists, I thinkas actors, you know people who
want to make art.
You know drawing, thepodcasting, doing anything in
the arts, like, once you'reconfirmed that you're doing
something right, you, it justfills your soul, it fills your

(15:07):
heart and it really touches you.
You know so much so that youcan maybe cry.
I've cried many times whileI've gotten into this field and
being.
You know the, the, the, sayingthat you know men are not
supposed to cry.
Be tough, you know, grind tillyou die, all that shit.
You know it's just like chillout, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
You know, grind till you die all that shit you know
it's just like chill out,motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
You know, let me cry, damn it.
I fucking got this role.
I'm really proud of it, fuckoff.
But there are a lot of times, Ithink one of them, I mean it
doesn't even have to like belike a big production project,
like I remember.
Another high was when my friendwho I was supporting, who I am
still supporting with voiceacting you know him and I got
into this fan dub or not fan dub, excuse me this fan project for

(15:54):
the series Danganronpa and itwas called Danganronpa F,
shattered Hope.
And that was one of the firstprojects that really told me
that I could do this, because itdemanded character acting.
It demanded character.
You know to be boisterous Atleast that's what my character
really called for and I alwayssaid, like the character I was

(16:14):
cast as in that project was justme times 10.
And it really helped get me outof my shell and show me that I
can do this type of thing.
And again, that was a fanproject, not to put down fan
projects, but I know there's astigma around it sometimes and
I'm just like that's how peopleget started and, um, that's how
I got started, that's how myfriends got started and I don't

(16:37):
know it's led me down a paththat I like.
So, but if I'm not to be real,there have been lows and, um, I
have made mistakes, whether itbe marketing myself in a, you
know, not in the smartest way,or, you know, as an artist, we
have pride.
We don't want to get talkeddown to.

(16:57):
We don't want unsolicitedadvice.
You know I've exploded on aperson for giving me unsolicited
advice that I regret now.
So apologies to that guy who Iexploded at, just being real.
And there have been others.
I remember, you know, I, stuffdidn't really really work out
and, uh, in 2021, um, I, Iscrewed up a lot and I, you know

(17:23):
, I had to go back to my old job.
Friends and I were supposed tomove out to Texas to pursue
anime work and you have to takeresponsibility for stuff that
you did wrong and I learned that.
And you have to throw pride outand that's what happened to me.
I had to grow up even more andsay you know, sometimes it just

(17:45):
doesn't go your way and you haveto do with what you have and
you know whether it's your fault, whether it's their fault,
whether it's anybody's fault, itdoesn't matter.
You're here now and you have tobe in the present, and that's
one of the first things thatyou're taught as an actor Be in

(18:05):
the present and you know, be.
You know, you know, beresponsive, you know.
At least that's one of thethings that you're taught and
that was a big low.
I mean, I remember back in 2021,I was not the happiest person
uh, very, you know, auditionsweren't hitting and you know I
was just, I was gravitatingtowards having a place carry me
to where I want to be.
That's what I looked at Texasas back then and I'm just like

(18:27):
that's not how a true voiceoverartist, a true voice actor, is
supposed to think.
We're supposed to act becausewe love it, no matter where we
are, and you have to make it.
You know, if you really love it, if you really truly want to
grow into it, you need to learn.

(18:49):
You need to know that you're,you're always, you're always
going to be a student, no matterwhere you are, and that's you
know.
As I was working that, that jobthat I hated, I was like you
know, I just got to suck it upand just keep learning and just
keep, you know, trudging awayand maybe something will hit.
Maybe not, but I got to try.
And again, this is it.
I'm not trying to paint myselfas like a hero or some crap or

(19:12):
somebody that was confident atthat moment.
No, like I had fucked up and soit's just like own up to it and
grow from that.
That was a pretty big low and Iwould say right now currently
it's not a low, but the past twoyears it's been learning how to
perform under pressure, and I'mnot talking about like under

(19:36):
the pressure of a director, I'mtalking about pressure of life.
Mom hasn't been in good health.
I've said it in numerouspodcasts, but it's on my heart
now and I really don't give afuck, so I'm going to talk about
it.
She hadn't been in the best ofhealth for about two and a half
years.
When you see a loved one, lovedone's health, get cut down

(19:57):
slowly, it makes you grow upeven more and you put that in
your read.
Sometimes, and it's funny,sometimes some directors are
like man, you sound reallydepressed.
You were supposed the.
The specs said happy, brother,are you okay?
Or dude, again, this issupposed to be a happy, a happy

(20:20):
line.
You yelled Are you okay?
It's like, no, I'm not okay,but no, she had been in seeing
her health go down like I'mtalking.
You know open heart surgery,you know amputation because of
an accident.
It was bad and unfortunatelyshe passed back in October of

(20:43):
last year.
And guys, I don't know how thefuck I'm still here or just like
focused.
But I've been learning,especially if you're in this
field.
I can't speak for anything else, I can't speak for, you know,
as an athlete or anything, butin this field, this field,

(21:03):
demands and deadlines can bebudged sometimes and if you have
a chance, you got to take itand it's, it's been.
It was hard to balance that andmy mom would tell me it's just
like.
No, I want you to have a goodlife, I want you to focus on
your work, and I would do notfocus on me.
Let me do my thing, let me livemy life.

(21:26):
And it's hard to balance thatCause you know, deep down you're
like it's, we're gettingtowards the end here.
I want to come see you, youknow.
But you want to keep thatperson happy and you want to
keep that vision of normalcy infront of them so they don't
panic.
That you're panicking.
To keep calm while acting.
That's rough, that is tough,that, that's that's.

(21:50):
I'll never wish that uponanybody.
It almost felt like hell, butright now, currently it's not a
low, but it has been tough.
It has been rough, it's beenvery hard to handle.
I'll be honest with y'all, nowthat we're away two months out
of two months, uh, removed frombrick city, brick city was one

(22:11):
of the ones where I was losinglike a lot of bat, like a lot of
battery power, where it was thefirst day and I was like, oh
man, it is, there's some nicepeople here, but I'm tired like
it's and that's disrespectful toyou all, to, you know, the
other voice actors that you knowthat got there, that fought to
be there, that the people thatyou know that came to see us,

(22:34):
that you know it's, it's likeit's hard to explain, you know
now I, I think I think we kindof understand from a different
perspective.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Like you know, some context behind the podcast was
we were it was very casual atfirst and more of a hobby before
we really took it serious andwe were eventually getting to a
consistent schedule, but we weredoing like two episodes a week.
That's a lot and that was foryears.
That's a lot.
Yeah, it were.
We're madmen.

(23:05):
I love it.
And there were times where wewere burnt out and we're like we
have to put out this contentand we had to have that decision
of making that adjustment whilealso serving our audience.
And, like you mentioned, Brick,I mean you were absolutely, I
think, balancing your personalstruggles and our condolences,
of course.
Thank you, balancing yourpersonal struggles and our
condolences, of course.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
But you know that's a tough thing to be dealing with
on top of the life itself.
Right, you're looking toachieve those big dreams, but
there are challenges on thatroad and I think you served both
audiences Phil, I'm sure youagree here very well, because if
that's what you're goingthrough, we couldn't tell.
And I mean that's again servingthrough.
We couldn't tell, and I meanthat that's again serving your
audience and and I think you dida great job there- thank you,

(23:49):
yeah, thank you so much forbeing so candid with us as well,
josh, and, and sharing thatwith us.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
And yeah, to echo what eric said, you know you
really wouldn't have been ableto tell and, um, I think that's
just a testament to youunderstanding that being in a
situation like at brick city,like we understand the weight
and the importance of us beingthere, like we all had a role to
play while we were there, andand and you, you and your entire

(24:14):
crew just shout out toeverybody just did a fantastic
job and it was so great, uh,getting to, to interact with
y'all and, like you said, wecan't wait to have the rest of
the cast on.
That's going to be a whole lotof fun.
So I want to talk about oh andalso just also echo what you had
said, like having also seen afamily member just deteriorate
over time.
Like trying to balance yourlife, yeah, um, amongst that,

(24:38):
and try to.
Just when your friends ask youhow you're doing, what do you?
How do you think?
you know the answer no, I lovemy friends you know the answer
yeah, but it's like you kind oflike it's like a default
question.
People feel like they have toask you that, even though they
know and it's because they loveyou.
So I certainly understand thatI wanted I wanted to ask you
because just now, starting offmy voice journey, as a lot of

(25:02):
our audience knows, um, andfollowing you guys and following
your work since we met back injanuary um, whenever anybody in
your circle is announcing a anew role and you just look at
the comments and everybody is soexcited and so supportive and
eric.
One of the first things welearn in our very first bold
match, surrey, uh, withelizabeth maxwell, uh, she

(25:22):
talked about the importance ofnetworking.
So I want you to talk aboutkind of the importance of
networking and establishingthese relationships in terms of
helping yourself stay motivatedthrough times where it does get
rough.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah.
So in that aspect, in thatrealm of networking, connecting,
making genuine connections,making genuine friendships,
because to me that's the trickYou've got to be genuine.
You can tell a mile away whensomebody is just wanting
something out of you.
And, yes, we are in the field,we are in the entertainment

(25:57):
field, we have connections toother jobs.
You know, yada, yada, yada.
That's there, it's the elephantin the room.
It happens At some point ifyou're talking with another
artist, it may lead into youknow, talking about jobs.
But there has to be, in myopinion, I've learned, you know,

(26:18):
in my experience, you know fromtrial and error, if you're not
willing to be genuine with theperson that you're talking to
and if you don't genuinely wantto get to know them and make a
connection, make a friendshipbeyond the field, then fuck you.
Then then you're just, you'rejust trying to get something out
of that person.
And smart people and there aremore smart people than you think

(26:40):
out there, especially in thisfield who will see that a mile
away.
So you can't.
That's the number one rule.
You got to be genuine.
And if you're just trying toget something out of the person,
then well, it's going to behard for you because you got to
first off.
You have to.
You have to learn how to workby yourself.
You have to learn how to workwithout a coach, without
somebody holding your hand,without a group.
You have to learn to work solo.

(27:01):
You know that's, that's thetrick, Like, but that's just a
whole nother can of worms.
I get passionate about thisstuff.
So I'm not yelling at you all,so I'm just, I'm just talking
towards myself.
But when it, when it comes tonetworking, it's so important
because there can be a stigmawith it, just from everything I
just mentioned, but just comingat it with you know, being

(27:24):
genuine and wanting to know theperson, that's important.
If we're getting reallytechnical with it, I can only
speak from my end Because, again, I have not been in a hub.
I have not been in a.
You know where I've gotten, youknow, anime work, where I've
gotten studio work For me.
I've never worked in a studio.
So that's a little insecuritythat I have uh right now, but

(27:46):
hopefully it happens soon.
But in the uh, in the realm ofbeing remote and working off of
social media, what I, when I wasuh in 2021, when I was, I had
that low.
I really, really kicked in thegear of reaching out to like,
for example, indie devs and, tome, indie games, indie video

(28:08):
games are like the things thatare helping keep, you know,
creative ideas alive, not drivenby an agenda, not driven by,
you know, a corporation that'sjust piling up and, you know,
making the next Mario game,which could be good, I don't
know but and making the nextMario game, which could be good.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't know If we're going to talk about the state
of gaming.
We're going to be here anotherhour, oh boy.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, but indie games .

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Steam, indie games, all that stuff, the amount of
creative platformers, forexample, that I see out there,
that remind me of Gex, thatremind me of Jak and Daxter,
that remind me of Sly Cooper,that remind me of Glover.
You know like they're out thereand you know I've reached out
to many people, to many people,and I've been respectful, you

(28:55):
know, and again, I have to liketheir project and I want to make
a connection with them.
That's the rule.
So if I, you know, if I reallydon't care, unfortunately, if
that's just not their project,if I, you know, if I really
don't care, unfortunately, ifthat's just not their project,
is just not my taste, then youknow I won't go.
But if they do seem like a niceperson, huh, I maybe I'll just

(29:15):
have to word it in a certain wayto where it's like again, I'm
not like I want to know moreabout your project, but you just
seem really cool.
It's just, it's honestly, youknow, it's the lost art of
communication that people havelost over the years because
we're all on our phones, whichcan we really blame ourselves?
No, that's just the culture.
But when it comes to reachingout to people online, there have

(29:38):
been a big I wouldn't say bignumber, but there have been a
good amount of people that youknow.
We're talking casually.
I'm talking with other artistsand they say that they're scared
.
I can't blame them.
It's scary.
It's scary to reach out tosomeone you don't know, because
you don't know how they're goingto react, that you may be very.

(29:59):
They may think of you as rudeor you're stepping over a line.
Why are you going into my DMs?
You creep?
It's like I was just talkingabout work.
I'm sorry, that's the fear andyou know I definitely can
understand it.
But when you're again, I canonly speak for being remote.
When you're remote, you have totake, not drastic measures, but

(30:22):
you have to like.
What else are you going to do?
It's already hard to audition.
You have these great demos thatyou commissioned for.
You need to put yourself moreout there.
If you're not reaching out, atleast to some people where
you've read the room and youknow they seem friendly in their
posts on Twitter or Instagram,and you're not willing to at

(30:42):
least throw a DM out there, aprofessional DM?
No, basically, in and out.
You know, not dwelling andtalking about oh my gosh, I like
this video game too.
I like this.
You're being professional,keeping it straight to the point
, then you know, if you're notwilling to do that, then I don't
know how you're going to grow.
I don't know how you're goingto I mean, maybe through
recommendations, maybe throughother means, but for me, that's

(31:07):
how I got myself off my feet.
That's how I networked, wasreaching out to different indie
devs that helped build up myresume and from there I had more
confidence to reach out toother creat, other creatives
that had, for example, dubbingexperience.
That's how I met donald guzzi,who's the narrator for my dear

(31:30):
friend nokatan um.
That's how I met um, our friendroly, who's the voice of um
gintoki in gintama, and you know, they did these shows from
miami and, uh, you know it's, uh, it took me some, you know it
took me to, you know, get mycourage up, but I reached out, I

(31:51):
was genuine, I wanted to makeconnections with these guys
because, yes, they had, you know, you know they had experience
in the dubbing world, but theyjust seemed like genuine dudes,
you know, and and I've beenfriends with them ever since and
that was back in again 2021, sofour years removed.
But um, yeah, I didn't.
It grows as you keep reachingout as you kind of kind of feel

(32:16):
out how you, as your ownindividual, reach out to others.
What's unique to you, um, yougo off of that.
So that's that's what I have tosay on that.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I don't know if that helps, but yeah I definitely
think it does, and I think thatthat's really like telling from
your social media profile likehow much networking you are
doing, not just on your end, butone thing that I really enjoy
from now, following you onInstagram, for example, not just
seeing what you announce thatyou're going to be partaking in

(32:49):
or doing voiceover work for, butother projects that you're
passionate about, or friendsprojects, people's Kickstarters,
people that inspire you,whether that's a post or
something thrown on your story.
I'm just very curious, likewhat?
What makes you go that extramile to continue to lend a
helping hand, to support othercreators?

(33:12):
We talked at brick and you knowthere was a group of you guys
just uplifting each other fromthe entire weekend that that, uh
, energy was infectious, and Ithink that's such a positive
thing that we could tell rightaway that all of you bring.
So what kind of drives thatfrom your end to take those
extra steps when it's just soeasy to leave a like and move on

(33:35):
?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
okay.
So this, this may be a deep, avery deep answer.
Is that okay?
Is that all right, y'all?
Yeah, no, no I think you're.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
No, no, we are digging in deep here.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, yeah, I love it .
Did we say casual, I meant deep, I love it, I love it, people
love that.
That gets you more views.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yes, if you could actually work up the tiers at
this point, that'd be great forclips.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh my gosh.
No, but to answer your question, that's how my mom taught me.
That's how my mom taught mewhen you see someone trying and
they're genuine about it andthey love it, you can see that
they love it.
You want to support, especiallyif you work with them too.

(34:18):
I know some, for example, indiedevs, who are not getting the
algorithm on their side, whichis bullshit, and you just want
to lend a helping hand.
And especially if you get toknow the person and maybe you
know their life, maybe you getto know, like, what they've been
through, it gets personal.

(34:40):
And I feel how do I say thisOnce you make not the whole
thing because I'm learning thatas well Like, if you make this
field personal as a whole, it'snot gonna be fun.
That's what I've learned.
But if you make it personal onthat sense of just caring, of
just lending a hand, beinghelpful, being uplifting, even

(35:05):
if you're having just theroughest day and if you have
imposter syndrome kicking yourass, if you're getting mad at
your friends for getting rolesthat you may want or that you're
not able to audition forbecause of where you are, once
you get past that and you'relike screw my insecurities, like
this person deserves somepraise.

(35:26):
Or you know, like, that's nothow I would like.
How would I want to be treatedin this sense?
You know like they deserve thepraise, and then you're not even
doing it just because of that,too, it's like this person
deserves it.
Or you're just like, yeah, theyjust deserve it.
Or you're just like, yeah, theyjust deserve it.
You have to give them theirflowers because they're probably

(35:48):
going through the same strugglethat you're going through
auditioning every single day andnot getting anything, trying
their hardest, you know, spent$500 worth on coaching and still
not getting something.
Just like you, yeah, theydeserve their flowers.
We're all going through it inour own way.
And, put on top, you knowthey're going through life stuff

(36:09):
like you have.
It gets really personal veryfast and you know my patience
hasn't been the best, I will behonest, ever since October or
ever since two years ago.
But it's growing up.
I can only speak for menbecause I'm a man, or I can just

(36:31):
speak.
I don't know I can speak foreverybody.
I don't know.
As you grow up, you're just likewhy would I send out that
negative energy to people?
Why?
What's the reason?
What is your, why?
Why you know so and do you wantto emanate that or put that out
there so you know they can feelwhat you're feeling, so you can
feel better about yourself?

(36:51):
No, that's a dick move.
So To me, showing encouragementto other artists who are
suffering just like you is veryimportant.
And you don't know where theirmental health is at too.
Maybe they really did need thatrole to get through the day.
You just never know.
You just never know whatsomebody else is going through.

(37:13):
So that's why I try to supportwhen I can, when I'm able to.
Again, it just all comes backto what my mom taught me and you
know, supporting others andhelping others, just helping
folks in general.
Again, I'm not a perfect person.

(37:34):
I don't look at myselfsometimes as a good dude
sometimes, because that's justwhere my self-esteem kind of
leads me.
But you know, I would say I'mdecent and you just, you just
want to be good to others.
Going back to, to Brick City,that group I'm blessed to have

(37:55):
that group to, to have been, youknow, to be around folks like
you know, like Donald, like Rue,like Bay, that uplift each
other.
It was tough.
It's tough when you're new onthe scene too.
I mean, I'm not going to hideit we were there.

(38:17):
We were new on the scene.
We had Erica there, we had ZachAguilar there.
We were new on the scene.
We had we had Erica Erica there, we had Zach Aguilar there and
we had Christina Kelly there.
It's, these are big stars inanime and their lines are long
and it's like you have tomentally be ready for that and
fight with that.
If people don't really know you, you know, you have to know

(38:39):
that you still are worth a shit.
You know, if people don'treally know you, you know you
have to know that you still areworth a shit.
You know, and you know beingagain.
Why I say we're blessed isbecause we were in that group.
We are in that group and we goto cons as a group sometimes and
you know to have that.
You know those people that haveyour back.
It's a blessing and we justwant to keep each other's

(39:01):
energies up and keep the goodvibes.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I think it's also very important to find that
balance, because there's nothingwrong with being like man I
wish that was me, wish I haddone that but also still be
excited for your friend, foryour peer and that, but also
still be excited for your friend, for your peer I meant to
mention this as well when youwere talking about you know how
difficult it is to hear thoserejections and to come up short.

(39:29):
You know, I did stand-up comedyfor 10, almost 11 years and
those nights where it was bad, Iwas like dude, do I suck at
this?
And at the same time it timeit's like no, no, I don't.
I know I had a bad night, eric.
We, at the same time, we knowwe're good at what we do.
When it comes to not only this,when it comes to podcasting, but
also when it comes to panelhosting.

(39:50):
We can say we could do whatthat person does.
But we also understand thatperson that is in that position
worked their ass off to be therelike that's not.
They're not there by accident.
Will we do?
We want to come and take theirjob?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
yeah, but, do we want to join them.
Do we want to join them?
Right exactly, we want to jointhem.
Yeah, we're ready.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You have to find that balance, so it's like that.
That's why it's so great to seeuh eric.
When we see the short box, youknow win best podcasts.
We're coming for that award, uhjacksonville, by the way, oh
yeah when we get your roses, boy, when we see them win.
When we see ryan and gam doingall these great things here,

(40:31):
it's like this is awesomebecause it benefits all of us
yeah, you know so but also it'sokay to be, to have have a
little competition.
So there was a comic I workedwith in Dallas and I knew he was
way better than I was A greatguy.
Great person works his ass off.
He's now.
He's been on Conan.
He's got a Netflix special.

(40:51):
I think he's about to be on anHBO show, ralph Barbosa.
go look him up and I saw him inOrlando last year or two years
ago.
He performed at the improv andhe was lucky enough Lucky he
remembered me, so we got to hangout with him after the show and
just got to tell him how proudI was of him.
Man, and you saw that coming.
So like it's a good feeling,because sometimes, or a lot of

(41:15):
times, when other people win,you feel like you win too, and
that's a very healthy mindset tohave.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Absolutely my friend, for example, my friend Gerard
Castor.
Shout out to him.
He's one of the growing voiceactors in Dallas, Texas, right
now.
He just announced a role forDragon Ball Dyma.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Awesome.
I think I saw you post aboutthat today, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, like reposted on my story or put on a comment
there, and you know it's thepeople that you're close to the
most or that you know who havebeen in your realm and you just
you've seen them grind and yousee them.
You know the lowest and thehighest and you know Gerard, for
example, deserves that, youknow tenfold.

(41:55):
You know I'm so happy for himand you know'm so happy for him,
um, and you know that's wherethat love comes from.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, I love all of that.
To turn the conversation backinto pop culture, uh, you know
you mentioned some of thosecharacters that were very
important to you growing up.
God love ed and netty.
So good love that whole era.
Courage, dexter, johnny, bravo.
Like all those characters, uh,powerpuff girls, uh, the

(42:22):
original, not the uh live actionthat leaked here recently over
on social media, but who, uh, toto kind of bring it to present
day are there.
Who are those characters thatyou maybe resonate with now,
because I think a lot of oldheads will kind of get in their
space, like, well, it's not likeit used to be and like it is.
You just kind of you got tolook for it because there is so

(42:43):
much more now to choose from.
So who are some of thosecharacters, whether it be
animation, whether it be liveaction, who are some of those
characters that you thatresonate with you now that I
think are you know people areare sleeping on so for right now
, and I'll answer the question.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I'll'll just give you a.
Totally to be transparent, whenyou're full time and voiceover,
you don't have a lot of time.
Sometimes you're stressed outmost of the time.
So my friends have gotten on meto play more video games, to
watch more shows.
That's why this isn't anannouncement, but that's why I
want to stream, just to have anexcuse to play a video game.

(43:19):
I don't even care if there'snobody in the chat.
It's like we're going to beplaying Bloodborne.
Oh, hey, hey.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Hey, listen.
I streamed Jurassic WorldEvolution 2 to four of my
friends last night and we had agreat time.
Oh hell yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Hell, yeah, that's how it starts.
But yeah, see, it's fun.
But to answer the question, hmm, I'm thinking right now, you
know, the one thing that comesto mind one of the few or the
one show that I've watched,that's you know, that's been
recent, is Invincible and thecharacters in that are very

(43:57):
impactful and it's just a heavytake on superheroes Very gory
but super real at the same timeof how it is to be a hero and
the responsibility it takes tobe a hero.
Yeah, there's a lot of strugglein that which can be fun to
watch, to see the hero kind ofgo through it and overcome it

(44:17):
and see how much he's beenholding back.
I'll just say that.
But another show man, I feellike an, like an old guard
because I'm so still enamoredwith the run that ed ed netty
had, that danny antinucci, hisvision, what he had, how matt
hill and all of them, how theyacted in that show.

(44:39):
A Aaron Fitzgerald orFitzpatrick I can never get her
last name right.
I'm so sorry, aaron.
I'll just say Aaron, she was inPersona 2.
She's awesome, just that wholecast, how they did it.
Peter Calamus Roll it reallydid like shape my whole
childhood.
But you know, I, I can't.

(45:00):
I haven't dabbled in the recentcartoon network, which I again,
I don't like how that's beenhandled.
Um, just like, not cartoons asa whole, but like recently with
the company.
I don't like how that's beenhandled.
I don't like how animation'sbeen handled.
Overall, it should be morerespected, like the.
The coyote movie.
That got, that got, uh, thatgot canceled.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
The full-on movie just thrown out for tax purposes
and then, and then we learnedthere's a looney tunes, there's
a daffy duck and it's just daffyand porky daffy and porky movie
where they go to space,remember in, remember in
deadpool, when he's like it'slike the studio couldn't afford
the other x-men, like that'swhat it feels, like it's just,

(45:40):
it's just daffy and forky.
Where's the rest of them?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
oh, that that's a funny premise though, dude, like
see stuff like that, like, andI I don't know, I just animators
as a whole have been some ofthe most disrespected group of
workers I have seen, and I I'mlike.
Why, though, like this?
Entertainment, and animation inparticular, helps shape

(46:04):
childhoods.
They help shape the generationof tomorrow.
You send out messages throughyour animation, through like
entertainment, and that's howgenerations grow, and so if you
take that away from especiallykids, what the fuck are you
doing?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
They're going to watch Mr Beast games.
I think I just had a stroke andthen you have these asshole AI
animators with their dead-eyedcharacters and weird hands.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
It's all in the hands .

Speaker 2 (46:37):
people Look at the hands.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
They can never get them right a real artist
nightmare is ai's reality reallyquick.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Eric, do you want to tell josh about why invincible
is in your bag?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
we didn't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, you do we did, because you did this with
jessica cavanaugh on wicked lastmonth.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
So your take on wicked is objectively bad.
It's like that's okay.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
That's okay.
No, but you hate Invincible andI don't hate Wicked, I don't
hate.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Invincible.
I just think it's to a certainextent like it's just a gore
fest and I don't like Mark as acharacter.
That's like the summary of it.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I think the twist is cool, for sure.
I think a lot of people gethung up on that and it's a
really impactful thing.
That kind of happens out ofnowhere, yeah.
But yeah, I think the movierelies, or the show relies, a
little bit too much on gore.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
And I just don't like Mark as a character.
Love the actor that does thevoice for him.
Of course we're a big fan ofhis, but yeah, I just don't like
the character and maybe thatdevelopment happens.
But you're talking about howdifficult it is to watch stuff
these days.
I mean we're in the contentbusiness to talk about these

(47:54):
things, and I get overwhelmedwith how many fandoms we have
our hands in.
If I'm not vibing withsomething, it's hard to continue
it, so maybe it gets better inseason two.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I would hope.
I would hope in the future.
I will say as a critique for ashow like that I do think that
Mark gets his ass kicked way toomuch.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
He needed a training arc.
Badly, yeah, and and I knowit's going on a training arc
badly yeah, I know yeah and Iknow that it's going off of the
comic which is very graphic.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
But, like in the show , I'm just sometimes, while I
like the storytelling for me, Ilike the storytelling, at the
same time I'm just like, did hehave to get his his, his suit
ripped up and get bloodied, likeyou know, black eye and all
that?
Like again, like is this?
This is just Mark to me, youknow, and it's, yeah, that's to

(48:47):
be critical of something that Ilike.
I feel like that's that's, youknow, that's valid.
I'm like why?
Why do we have to do that?
Is that just our culturenowadays?
Like, is that entertainment,you know?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
And I feel it doesn't have to be that.
And speaking of animators,there's the whole thing with
Invincible and the animationthat we again, we will not get
into right now.
Just do not have time.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I need to catch up on .

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Invincible, but very much enjoying it.
Yeah, so, like you said, Eric,there's just so many.
The fact that we do have ourhands in so many pots is insane.
Fact that we do have our handsin so many pots is insane, uh,
which is like how we keep upwith with all these different
things.
Um, I literally the other day,actually earlier this week, I
had time at work to start to, Ijust jumped on shonen jump and I

(49:30):
was like god, I I haven't beenon this app in forever, but
because I just don't have timehere we go, here we.
I just don't have the time toread, to watch, to play.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
It's insane.
We're adults, we're adults.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I'm tired all the time.
I'm tired right now, guys.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm tired too.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
We're all tired.
We're all tired.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I cannot wait for Collective Con, but I am tired
already.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I'm so exhausted.
Oh for sure You're tired of it,man.
I'm so exhausted.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
We're going to be there because it's like I'll be.
You know I drove and then, likeyou know, did a bunch of voice
work and that's emotional.
Voice work is emotional.
Go to Collective Con.
You have a bunch ofpersonalities and people who are
happy.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
You see people you haven't seen in a while, you
won't be able to tell.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Oh man, you won't be able to tell, but I am, we're
going to walk in and fall overLike walk through the door and
just fall over.
We will suffer together,brothers, we will suffer
together.
And I'm just a guest.
I'm not a guest, but I'm just aperson that's just going.
I bought my ticket today $55.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I couldn't get it on my cell phone, by the way, so I
got to fix that.
Oh crap, I got to get mySpookala ticket, god dang, it
Did those prices go up already.
God dang it.
I think it was tonight at 8o'clock.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Sorry to make a tangent.
Sorry to make a tangent, but togo back on the animation thing,
I think one thing that peopleneed to watch right now or get
on the train on is One Piece.
I'm sorry One Piece, oh Phil,one Piece.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I guess it.
This is your turn to talk.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
You don't like One Piece?

Speaker 3 (50:59):
You don't like One Piece?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
You just won't watch it.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I'm not going to commit to something with that
many episodes.
I will defend him until the OnePiece comes out the One Piece
yeah.
The refusal to watch.
It is going to be unbearable,but I will say I am on Skypiea
right now.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Nice, nice, nice.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Just like Alabasta, it drags.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
It does drag.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
It drags.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
It does drag.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
There is a lot of filler.
However and I say this everytime I fucking love the show
already.
I know people say it takes tillthis arc or this arc.
The second I saw Luffy's goofyass fucking smile and I met all
these characters.
I was on board.
So I definitely agree with youthat people should be watching
One Piece, but I also canacknowledge the 1,000 episode

(51:47):
thing is a real hurdle to cross.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
It is it scared me back in 2018.
Jesus Christ, excuse me, jeezLouise, that is, yeah, 2018.
I still can't believe that.
My friend got me into it and Iwas scared, but I took it slowly
, I took breaks.
Um, I think people when theysay like yo get into one piece,

(52:11):
they're like watching one go andI'm like, no, I'm not, that's
not what I'm saying.
Take a break after an arc orand just come back to it another
time during the year or somesome stuff like that.
But I would have to say when youare hooked is around the time
of the Sabote uh, yeah, sabotearc, cause that's when things

(52:33):
start to change.
That's when things start to youknow, the story takes a weird
turn and you're like, oh, okay,that's happening.
And then when you get toMarineford, that's one of the
peaks of One Piece.
That's some good stuff.
However, to anybody who's justscared of just going down that
rabbit hole, I will also saythat the live action is pretty

(52:56):
good too.
I love the live action.
That's the first anime liveaction besides the Rurouni
Kenshin movies that are like,yeah, this is some good stuff.
I would definitely recommendthat.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, the live action was very good.
I very much enjoyed it.
I'm excited for the secondseason, absolutely To see how
they do everything there.
But I'm very curious.
There's so many fandoms westill need to jump into here, so
sticking just kind of in themedia realm.
And then, phil, maybe we canjump to some of those extra ones
that we don't normally get totalk about with most of our

(53:30):
guests, which is a super cool.
Again back to when we did twoepisodes, uh, a week.
We were covering like sportsand wrestling and all that stuff
.
We really had to condense itdown, so just kind of sticking
with like films and gaming.
I'm kind of curious.
We'll actually do one of each.
What is?
If you could kind of go back inany point in time to see a

(53:52):
movie on the big screen intheaters and to play a video
game for the first time, whatwould that movie and video game
be?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
So for me, iron man was always.
It helped me a lot when I was akid.
It's weirdly, like weirdly wasone of the sources that helped
me try to get into shape.
It's weird.
It's weird Like I just I loveTony as a character.
He's imperfect, but he stilltries, and he's still imperfect

(54:24):
when he tries.
People are like but you're, butaren't you like a captain
america, like you're such a gooddude.
I'm like no, I'm a tony, I'm astart like.
I love tony stark.
He's great.
Um, the one movie that I wouldwant to go back to and watch
over again for the first time isEndgame.
I know that's probably a uh,you know, a bandwagon answer,
but for me, endgame just hit it.

(54:46):
Um, it was the, the end of theinfinity saga.
It was the end of 10 years ofstraight storytelling through
many films that we have not like.
We haven't seen anything likethat and it wrapped up
beautifully.
I mean I am iron man, I am Iand I am iron man.

(55:07):
Like, started with him, endedwith him and just to see that
over again, that that would becool for the first time, like
that'd be awesome video game.
Now, that's hard.
Oh man, goodness, gracious man,that's a roughy, that's a

(55:30):
roughy.
I can only have one answerright.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I mean, there's no real rules.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Would you like us to go?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, I was like there's no real rules.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
But while you're thinking about yours, mine are
easy because I've had time tothink about the question.
It's a lot easier when you'veasked yourself that question and
you're not on the spot my movie.
Phil knows both answers.
My movie is your Name, theanime film that is my all-time
favorite film, and the videogame is Bioshock and honestly

(55:57):
it's a 1A, 1b for Bioshock andBioshock Infinite.
I love those games almostequally.
Phil, what is your movie andyour game?

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Now.
I mean, I technically did seethis movie in theaters.
It's like my first core memory.
But I would like to go back andexperience Jurassic Park again
for the first time, erase itfrom my memory and just watch it
again.
I watched it in a movie theaterin Puerto Rico and again, it's
my first memory.
I was five years old when itcame out Nice, and for the video

(56:27):
game it's kind of it kind ofchanges over time.
But more recently I would haveto say it's Red Dead Redemption
2, because when I played throughthat game the first time, first
off I was I was moving.
I had moved from Dallas back toJacksonville.
Finances weren't great, so Iplayed the game very late, after
it had already come out, and Iwas living with a roommate at
the time who, and I think Ireally just didn't appreciate

(56:51):
the story the way that I shouldhave and taken my time with it
because I felt like I wasalready behind.
So I kind of rushed through it.
I have been replaying it hereand there on PC, which has been
fantastic.
But if I could go back and justkind of sit down in front of a
television and really focus onit, I think it'd be Red Dead 2.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Red Dead 2.
Those are some good choices,y'all.
I think if I can do a redo,because this game came out at a
time where there was a lot goingon at home.
I was focused more on sportsbecause, a little lore about me,
I thought sports was going tobe my out.
If that gives you any ideabeing a Metal Gear Solid fan, it

(57:34):
helps you turn into a man, andSolid Snake really was there for
me whenever I needed him themost, you know as a father
figure in a way.
That concept like Tony, likeyou're not perfect but you're
going to do the right thing.
You don't have all theabilities, you don't have all

(57:55):
the superpowers, you're not asuper soldier, you're not any of
these things, but you do havesome ability and you can get it
done.
The one game that I would liketo go back on and play it, be
focused on it and just take itall in is metal gear solid 4.
That is a deep game.
I'm not going to give asynopsis because it would be

(58:16):
long, because hideo Kojima gamesare long to explain.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Josh, can I tell you this story really quick about
Metal Gear Solid 4?
I've told you this story before, eric, with Brock, a buddy of
ours, one of our closest friendsfrom high school, I was over at
his apartment and he wasplaying that game and a cutscene
began and we went to go eat.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
We came back and a cutscene was still playing.
He was like no, and we cameback and a cutscene was still
playing.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
He was like no, we got time, Come on, let's just go
get some food.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
We got time.
We can go to Five Guys, and itwas still playing.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
So that's my Metal Gear memory.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Hell yeah dude, that's Metal Gear Long cutscenes
, a lot of freaking storytellingand a badass main character's
metal gear.
That's funny because that'strue, but yeah, that's uh.
For me it's metal gear.
Solid 4, the.
The story is very deep.
I mean, if you followed solidsnake majority of your life up

(59:16):
to that point and you you knowthe stakes in that game, then
Then you know how serious it is.
You know how much this means tothe series.
And just to see Snake as an oldman.
You know this strong individual, this strong-willed man, this
strong-willed dude who's justtrying to do the right thing,
who could just sit in his cabinand just be a drunk, like he did

(59:39):
in the series at some point,but still something told him to
do the right thing.
And again he's doing it again,but as an old man, because he
has accelerated aging and he'sjust like I need to save the
world one more time.
That's something I feel thatall young men, just young
individuals, should play, justto see.

(01:00:00):
That's perseverance right there.
Yeah, I would want to play that100% and do it over again,
because I didn't give it theright amount of respect at the
time, because I was just focusedon other things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I have never played a Metal Gear game, so
I've been very excited for theSnake Eater remake to come out
because I'm 100% going to diveinto that.
I didn't really play a lot ofstory-driven games when I had,
you know, ps1 was my first PS1and Sega Saturn were like my two
first consoles and I wasplaying, you know, the football
games.
We talked about a lot of sportsgames.

(01:00:35):
I also didn't have a memorycard for the longest time For
those of you that don't know youused to have to buy memory in
order to save a game, yep, and Ididn't have any of that.
So I really didn't get intolike story-driven games, I think
until the original Xbox, likewith Halo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
So I missed out like on a lot of those older
story-driven games Gotcha,gotcha, yeah, it's um story
driven games have been likeagain.
It started for me it startedwith Star Fox 64 and a lot of
people would be like really,that's a story based, that's a
story driven game and it's likeit is.
It is, I mean, fox McCloud isoffending his father, who got

(01:01:15):
killed by Andross, and he'strying to save the galaxy with
his friends at the same time.
And for me now, as a grown manI this is the other part of the
lore that I've kind of createdfor myself is that game is a
full-on suicide mission to Fox,not to his whole team, because
at the end, whenever he saysI'll go it alone from here,

(01:01:37):
that's like he had this plannedout from the beginning.
He's like I will take downAndross, no matter what it takes
.
That's the whole game andthat's what makes the whole
ending, the true ending of thatgame, so impactful.
And I it's one of the firstendings in a game that really
got me Cause I'm like I was notexpecting a supernatural type of

(01:02:00):
touch to a rail shooter, thatwas just a shoot-em-up basically
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I could talk all day about that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I love Star Fox yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
And you know, phil, a lot of these we've known of and
again, so many fandoms to diveinto.
Again, so many fandoms to diveinto.
I think one of the things thatwe got excited about in the
pre-pre-show that kind ofrelates to all this in pop
culture is like, especially onceyou've dived into movies, video

(01:02:31):
games and all of these things,there's that select few of us
that not only also like sportsbut also like wrestling.
So, you called out the NXT titlethat Phil had in the background
.
What is your relationship withwrestling?
I don't know if you know, butwrestling is like the big ticket
now.
It's cool now.

(01:02:53):
So I would love to hear yourperspective.
I'd love to hear yourperspective on what you've known
about wrestling, what type offan you've been, whether that's
afar or hardcore, and then whatyou think about this new era
that we're entering recently.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
OK, so very good question.
You know, when I was younger, Igot into wrestling around the
time of 2006,.
Around the time of the secondcoming of DX, and you know I was
in grade school.
You know you would do the suckit in elementary school.
That's what I did and it wasreally fun and I feel like just
like anime.
Back then a little bit, kidswere too afraid to say they

(01:03:33):
liked wrestling.
Now it's cool, just like anime.
Thank you Netflix.
It's cool, just like anime,thank you Netflix.
And yeah, I got into it around2006 and I was a diehard.
Honestly, me and my friends atthe time, we watched a bunch of
pay-per-views together, talkedabout it.

(01:03:53):
You know, consistently we hadour favorites.
We all hated John Cena.
You know all that stuff.
The legendary run that onlylasted for, I think, a year and
a half but felt like 10 years.
How you know how Shawn Michaels, super kicked and sweet chin
musiced him onto.
I think it was Triple H and hewon the match.
And we were like, fuck you,cena, Even though we liked Cena

(01:04:14):
deep down.
We, you know, talking about theHardys talking about, you know,
old wrestlers to talking about,you know, as you get when you
get deeper into it.
You know I bought theWrestleMania anthologies that
were in Walmart and learnedabout, you know, the legendary
match.
You actually saw it.
You know the legendary match,the match between, you know,

(01:04:35):
hulk and Andre the ladder match,razor Ramon and Shawn Michaels
it's.
I loved all of that man but Ikind of grew out of it whenever
I was in, when I got intofootball and things in life got
a little bit more serious.
So you know, and I and I wantall of us want to be wrestlers

(01:04:55):
because it was cool to us.
But you know, when you get morerealistic you're like I don't
know how to get into that, which, funny enough, there are more
outlets now, especially, I think, here in Orlando that there is
an outlet, you know.
So it's like if you want to gointo it you can.
But right now I'm starting to.

(01:05:18):
It's not like I want to be awrestler, but I love just
watching the history.
I have been binging CultaholicYouTube channel and they put out
a lot of good content on thehistory, like they had, I think,
a three or four part, maybeeven a five part anthology on
the Golden Era, you know, whenVince bought it from his dad and

(01:05:41):
built it to what it is now,which I don't really condone at
all what he's done, which sucksbecause people did look up to
him, which is, you know, it'slike okay, that's terrible.
But yeah, right now I'm just,I'm more of, I like to watch the
history of it and everythingand and this new era that we're
going into.

(01:06:01):
I feel it's great because, youknow, I feel Triple H is going
to lead this into the next level, probably, of what Vince wanted
, but into beyond that, becausehow he's been handling stuff
with, like the portal, thepeople taking time off, you know

(01:06:22):
, caring more about thewrestlers who haven't gotten a
lot of time or just a lot oflight on them.
He brought the Hardys back, forexample.
He cares, and I love that andyou can really see how much he
loves this business.
It's, I think.

(01:06:43):
I think WWE is in really goodhands.
He brothers, he, he.
He brought TNA into the mix,you know, he, he, I don't.
It's like he wasn't doing thatwhole Monday night war thing
that Vince and and and and Tedhad, which was epic at the time.
I mean, I think it propelledthe business to where it is now

(01:07:04):
and we needed it.
But it's like do we really needto do that again.
You know, I think teamwork iswhat makes the dream work right
now.
So just seeing like Joe comeinto the Royal Rumble, that's
revolutionary.
That's innovation right there.
So, yeah, I think this new erais going to be really good and I

(01:07:27):
think this current WrestleManiais going to be one to keep your
eye on, because, I mean, theCena turn is one of the most
built-up heel turns if you lookat it in history, probably even
better than the Hulk Hogan goingand, and you know, kevin Nash
and Razor Scott Hall making NWO.

(01:07:48):
I think it's even bigger thanthat, because Cena's been a good
guy a baby face for how long?
Over 15 years, you know it'sbeen a long time.
So just to see that, and himworking with the Rock too, the
final boss it's like this is,you know it's been a long time.
So just to see that, and himworking with the rock too, the
final boss it's like this is youknow, cody has his hands full.
We were, we were shouting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
We were shouting at the television on my knees like
I could not, because I could,could not believe you can ask, I
am.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I am that john cena fan that every time he won I was
like LOL, Cena wins, Fuck y'all.
I was eating good.
One of Eric's worst memories.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Oh, I knew it here in this house.
As a Randy Orton fan as well,by the way.
Oh, a Viper fan I've alwaysbeen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Randy Orton's my guy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
We've always been like against each other.
It was at the Royal Rumble atthe Madison Square Garden when
he had injured his pectoralmuscle just a few months earlier
.
Wasn't expected back anytimesoon.
And John Cena's music hits atnumber 30.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
And I jump out of my seat and this was back when
nothing was spoiled.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
You couldn't just go on the internet and find out
things were happening.
So I jump out of my seat andEric is livid because he knows
he's gonna win he knows there'sno way they're bringing him back
as a surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
There was plot armor around that man especially at
that time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Yes, yeah, so, uh, john cena, I've always been.
Uh, he was the firstpay-per-view I ever went to was
survivor series 2003.
It was in d and that was whenhe had turned, so he was heel,
but he had joined Team Angle atthat time and that's when he was
faced.
From that point on until just aweek ago Now, 2003, 21 years

(01:09:34):
yeah, so 25, 22 years, and tomake this decision with less
than a year left in your careeris ballsy.
Like it is crazy, and I thinkit's a testament to Cena's
character work because of howgood of an actor he is and how
how much better he has becomesince leaving WWE.
So I think it's going toelevate everybody.
It's going to elevate Cody.
It's going to elevate the rock,who we have our own opinions on

(01:09:56):
as far as his acting not in theWWE, just we have our own
opinions on as far as his actingnot in the WWE, just outside of
the WWE.
But final boss character slapshe does.
So I did see a thing on Twitterthat was like what at one point
?
Like with this, do we thinkthat maybe it's a skin condition
?
Maybe he needs to get somethingchecked out?
Maybe it's not goosebumps,maybe he should go see a
dermatologist.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I love that CM Punk called that out on you.
He bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah.
So CM Punk coming back likethat's something that would
never happen under Mr man and?
And has Triple H been perfect?
No, absolutely not.
I think he needs to book thewomen better, for sure, as far
as that division.
But he definitely going in andbringing in TNA.
I mean, just two years ago wehad Mickey James, who was TNA,
who was the knockouts championshe was in the women's rumble

(01:10:38):
and then last year Jordan Gracebefore she came over, so the
fact that they're workingtogether is great.
Somebody that we'll probablynever see working together is
Tony Khan and Triple H, and wehave ties because of Tony Khan
on the football side and thewrestling side.
I'm just curious have youdabbled in any AEW?
Because it is kind of ahomegrown Jacksonville product.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
I feel so bad for not diving into it.
I do want to watch Edge slashCope um he's Edge, I mean at
least Adam.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Copeland was okay, but just Cope is not good Cope
yeah, I feel bad, like I'll betotally honest.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
I'm just starting to get really back into it.
Like, for example, like I wantto on my own time at some point
on YouTube, watch old like NewJapan stuff, because you know I
want to learn more about thehistory of the Bullet Club.
I want to.
You know, I learned a littlebit from it, from one of the
YouTubers.
I watched Super Eyepatch Wolfand he talked about the Bullet

(01:11:40):
Club with Kenny Omega, with allthese guys who are in AEW now.
So I do like what they're doingat AEW.
You all might know more than Ido, but it seems like it's good
from the outside point of view,but in the meat of it I I would
probably have different opinions, honestly it's great having a

(01:12:02):
competitor, that there needs tobe a competitor and an outlet
for these very talented people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
And and I think wb and aw are both in this
situation now where there is toomuch talent there are like when
you say so and so deserves apush, yes, they do, but so do so
do these other people.
So it is rough.
So, eric and I, we weredefinitely very invested in aew
in the beginning.
Uh, vince was still around andwe weren't.
We weren't liking that product.
It was all about, oh, thisperson needs to go to aew, this

(01:12:29):
person needs to go to aew.
The problem with aew now is tonykhan books aew as a, which he
should be, but not enough like abusinessman as well, and we've
seen some of that carry overinto the Jacksonville Jaguars,
unfortunately.
So that's the problem with AEWis there is so much talent there

(01:12:53):
, but sometimes they get caughtup in storylines that just don't
make any sense.
Keeping people around a littlebit longer than they should be.
Like chris jericho, who who'sum?
What he has done for thebusiness cannot be taken away,
cannot be understated, but in2025, when you have a stacked
roster of young, incredibletalent, chris jericho shouldn't

(01:13:14):
be as much of a focus.
You know things like that shouldbe yeah, should not be
happening yet he's had his time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
He's the first undisputed champion, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Mox, aka formerly known as Dean Ambrose, in this
current role, not really workingfor a lot of people, right,
eric?
So I really only keep up withAEW through social media.
Again, in the beginning, ericand I would watch pay-per-views.
Again, in the beginning, ericand I would watch pay-per-views.
You know we were very fortunate, being here in Jacksonville, to
go to a lot of AEW shows duringthe pandemic, which was a huge,
huge opportunity for us.

(01:13:45):
But it's just similarly to likewe have too many fandoms, we
can't watch wrestling five daysa week.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
It's just not possible and I think I think,
with this new era of WWE istelling us is that fans want
story-driven, like narratives.
They want to see cinema andfulfill.
How many times have we said thisis cinema, right between the
bloodline, the bloodline stufflast year uh the scene of heel

(01:14:12):
turn, like there are so manymoments that that make you feel
that way, and AEW is so focusedon being wrestling that I just I
don't think they're ready to bea TV product and it shows
there's a lot of holes in theirgame, but they have a lot of
great, great talent.
And I think you know, as wekind of wrap up the wrestling

(01:14:33):
portion of the conversation andinevitably turn our attention to
the Jaguars, I do want to askyou, josh, is there a wrestler
that is yours?
So I mentioned mine has alwaysbeen randy orton.
Phil's always been the johncena guy.
Who was your guy that youalways kind of lean towards.
It doesn't have to be agreatest of all time thing, but
who was your guy?

(01:14:54):
my guy or girl, it's not a guygirl, yeah, no, yeah I mean
shout out to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I mean it's like one of the best trish stratus, like
can still wrestle today.
You know it's um, you knowshowing that age is just a
number, but um, for me, kind ofgoing on the theme of just not
perfect but gets the job done,he's one of the best.
Sean michaels bar none.
Sean michaels, the heartbreakkid like if you read up on sean

(01:15:24):
michaels early on, he's a goodguy he is an asshole, not a good
.
He's just like where's myfucking gold at?
Where's my money at?
Why is brett hart here?
Who the fuck is that?
I don't care.
I, and you know I can stillremember it as a kid watching
his documentary, the HeartbreakKid or the yeah, I think that's

(01:15:44):
what it was called but Justlearning just his life turn, you
know, just was not the bestdude and found God, you know,
found his soulmate, just grew asa man, came back faced Triple H
in SummerSlam and you know, youcan just see there was a, even

(01:16:09):
as a fan who was just gettinginto it more and looking up,
like the history, basically,again, like you know, like I am
right now, you can just tell thedifference in his eyes, in his
how he carried himself.
There was a difference andthat's just very interesting.
That's breaking the fourth wallto me, because I mean, you know

(01:16:31):
, when you, when wrestlingbecomes personal and their
personal lives, you know,transcend beyond the, the, the
kayfabe, just the storyline,just just everything, it becomes
special.
And we talked about you justmentioned Eric about
storytelling, or it was Phil, mybad One of you all mentioned
storytelling.
Some of the best this is cinemathat I've seen when I wasn't,

(01:16:52):
even when I was starting totransition out.
I would always go back and seethe rivalry between him and the
Undertaker and he becomingobsessed with ending that shriek
, so much so that he put hiscareer on the line and had one
of the best matches againagainst him.
It was amazing.

(01:17:13):
And then seeing Triple H do ittwice, you know trying to, you
know it was just that that wasgood storytelling.
Another gosh, I gotta put himin here.
I know, um, I gotta put him in.
Eddie Guerrero, eddie Guerrero,um, again another anotherero.
Um, again another another one.
His story transcends beyond thescreen.

(01:17:33):
Um was addicted and you knowthe.
The WWE kicked him out, or youknow, and he was in ring of
honor for a little bit andtrying to keep the love alive
and Ray Mysterio and his boysback then were telling him you
know, glad, you're good, gladyou're fine.

(01:17:56):
You know, glad, you still love,still love the, the.
You know the sport and we justhope that you come back one day
and comes back.
And no way, you know, comes backand you know he gets in a
rivalry with Brock Lesnar andyou know this is the giant, this
is the beast.
You know this is one of the oneof like the Goldberg of the WWE
.
You know you do not fuck withBrock Lesnar and it's Eddie, you
know, and I still rememberbuying the the no way out

(01:18:18):
because unfortunately I got intoit after he passed and just
watching that and just seeinghim, you know his whole moniker
of lie, cheat and steal.
He hits him with the chair andeverybody's cheering and like he
does the frog splash and winsit and wins the WWE championship
.
It's like at that time as a kidyou really look up to stuff
like that.
You know it's all entertainment, but this is a guy who earned

(01:18:41):
his way back into Vince's view,into, you know, the the Titans
view, basically.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Yeah.
Um and the same thing with Seanview basically, yeah, um, and
the same thing with sean,somewhat of an of an underdog
story, and where me and phildiverted with randy and john, uh
, that that connected us withwas eddie uh, eddie that eddie's
probably the only.
I don't normally like really getsad about celebrity news
because, like I don't know them,I'm fans of their work.
Yeah, like I'm not like sobbingover like every celebrity death

(01:19:11):
, but that was a death ofsomebody that was in a
high-profile position thatpassed away suddenly, where I
was emotionally struck, and Ithink that's the relationship
that wrestlers can have with theaudience.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
You can feel it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Yeah, you can just feel it and I think it's just
such an interesting dynamicbetween the two.
Phil, any thoughts there onEddie?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Yeah, Eddie is one of those runs where the win, the
title win, really it didn'tmatter what happened as far as
the title run.
So, like Eddie, Daniel Bryan,Kofi Mania, like those.
We can't really remember howKofi's ended, but I don't really
remember how Daniel Bryan'schampionship run ended.
But what we do remember is likethose moments, you know the yes

(01:20:00):
movement, the Eddie Guerreroover.
We don't even care that BrockLesnar I mean that Goldberg
interfered in that match.
No one, no one remembers any ofthat I can't even remember that
know, one remembers that kofimania.
The build-up to that wasincredible.
So, like when you have, whenyou can pick out those moments
of time, cody, finishing thestory, there are a few moments
where, yeah, like it justdoesn't really matter how the

(01:20:22):
rest of it goes cody finishingthe story.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
I wasn't even like going back into wrestling at
that point, but I knew the, theroad storyline, um, I heard it
through social media hisstruggle and that, just again,
that's real.
He's trying to, you know,complete the story that his dad
started it's.
How can you not get behind that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
I'm speaking to bullet club a guy that left,
found himself, reinventedhimself, believed in himself,
started a rival company and waslike all right, I'm gonna come
back now and I'm going to beyour guy.
So he should be absolutelycommended before, eric, we
turned that quarter into that.
This next topic I do want toask you guys do we need an Eddie

(01:21:02):
Guerrero style, style iron clawfilm, with Pedro Pascal as
Eddie Guerrero?
That's yes.
That's what I've been.
That's the fan casting.
I hear about a lot.
He would have to get big, hewould have to, which I think he
can do, but is that the casting?
Is that the movie we need?

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Yes, please, yeah A.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Eddie Guerrero movie would probably slap and then
just end extremely sad, so Idon't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Well, I haven't seen Iron Claw, but I know it ends
really sad, wow so they allbasically die Phil yeah.
That's a family.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
But yeah, it's um, it is sad, and that's a great
transition into our our topic ofthe Jaguar.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
God, um it, just it really.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
oh, oh, it really is Damn son Literally almost spit
out my water, it just almostspit out my water.
It was a comedic time we reallyneed to add that beaver to the
soundboard, Eric Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
We are living and seeing a living storyline, like
WWE with the Jaguars Literally,Literally bro, it's a storyline
every single year.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
So for our listener base, if you haven't already
skipped past the wrestling stuff, if you don't watch wrestling,
this is your cue to skip to gametime.
But we're going to quickly talkabout the Jaguars because that
was one of the first things wekind of connected with when I
was talking to you at Brick.
I don't even know how theJaguars came up, you just lit up

(01:22:32):
and I haven't lit up abouttalking about the Jaguars at all
this year.
So it was really nice to get totalk to somebody in a positive
way.
I'm very curious if you cankind of summarize for us what
your journey with football hasbeen, because you've been both a
fan and you also mentioned acouple times that you've been
involved with it and I'm curiouswhat your relationship with

(01:22:54):
football is as a whole and thenwith the Jaguars.
What has this journey been like?
We talk about the highs of theGarrard years and then the
absolute lows of the Gene Smithyears and a lot of the bad
drafts that we had.
Gabbert, Gabbert of, like theGene Smith years and a lot of
the bad drafts that we hadGabbert, gabbert, and now we're

(01:23:16):
somewhat back to relevancy andthen we kind of took a tumble
this year.
So just really curious againyour journey with football, both
as a fan and getting involvedwith it, and then how that kind
of relates to your journey ofbeing a Jaguars fan.
Sure, definitely I'll startwith kind of like okay, so, uh,
being a Jaguars fan.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Sure, definitely.
I'll start with uh, kind oflike, okay, so, hmm, how do I
start this?
I got into football around 2007, 2008.
I got into it because and Idon't know how I'm making this
transition, but we're going totry to make it I needed to lose
weight.
By sixth grade I was 345 poundsand it was pretty bad, like

(01:23:58):
starting to turn eyes there,like that's not good, to the
point where it's like thecoaches at my elementary school
were like, um, mrs Portillo, uh,if he doesn't get active, he's
going to end up in a wheelchair,those type of conversations.
And I remember my coach.
I won't say his name, but Iremember my coach in middle

(01:24:22):
school.
He walked right past me.
He's like you're a big kid, orlike you know, in a very
respectful way, it's like youshould join the football team.
I'm like I don't like football.
You know, I hate hurting people.
I don't like hurting people.
It's just like it's a sport.
It's a sport, you know, it'sfor fun, you should definitely
come out, it'll be good and sothat kind of you know when

(01:24:42):
you're a kid, you know whensomeone tells that to you,
you're like maybe I should watchfootball.
So, you know, I watched it alittle bit.
And again, the first season Iwatched was the 2008 Jaguar
season, where everything kind offell apart after our 11-5 run.
Yeah, two dropped touchdownpasses that Gerrard should have
had in New England in thedivisional round.

(01:25:03):
Damn you, dennis Northcutt.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
It's always New England man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Yeah, it is always New England man, miles Jack
wasn't down 96, 2006, 2000.
Yeah, every, every time but yeah, it's uh, you know, uh still,
though, you know, um, my time infootball when I was a kid and
the Jaguars, they kind of grewhand in hand from the get-go.

(01:25:28):
I, I saw that I I like to.
People kind of teased me for it, but I did look up to Gerard.
He was a tough dude, toughquarterback, quarterback that
didn't have a lot around himbesides MJD, you know, and a few
other guys, but we all know tomake a good Super Bowl winning
team you need a lot, a lot oftools, and they never correct me

(01:25:49):
if I'm wrong, but ever sinceyou know the, the offensive
lines of Tony Buscelli and youknow him leading the charge and
his, you know his cast there.
We haven't had really goodoffensive lines ever since then
and I remember seeing Gerrardget killed, killed.
I remember this one specificgame that he got killed in the

(01:26:10):
air mid-air in San Francisco.
I was like what the Holy shit?

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Not to cut you off, josh, but the issue with that
offensive line was really theexterior of it, Because they had
Vince Manowai and Brad Meester,who were excellent, and then
they could not figure out therest of it.
True at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
so, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where, um you know, and
Vince and Brad, I mean, they'rethe reasons why our running game
was decent half of the timethat's why MJD or Fred, when I
watched him too, um would just.
You know, you just pop right inthrough the middle in the trap
and it's just like whoa, they'regone.
But anytime when they run, andit's just like whoa, they're
gone.
But any time when they runoutside, sometimes it's just

(01:26:54):
like it's nothing.
Or you know, gerard's alwaysstepping up in the pocket and
you're like he's going to getkilled, crap, and let's just say
, on a bad play, brad or Vince.
You know there's just thoseplays, you can't get all of them
.
And unfortunately, an interiordefensive lineman, a nose guard,
gets right past him, goes tothe three hole and just gets
Gerrard, and it's just like damn.

(01:27:15):
And then you hear the Gerrardsucks chant, which, as a fan of
his, you're like fuck off.
Yeah, I looked up to him a lotbecause of his toughness.
He was a stand-up dude off thefield Still is an advocate for
Jacksonville apparently, whichthat's what I've heard.
But yeah, I remember kind oflike growing, you know, as I

(01:27:37):
went through football, like Iremember I think they had a good
year in 2010.
And that's when we had a goodyear in high school football.
I was able to play.
I went to Providence ProvidenceSchool of Jacksonville and our
coach at the time, paul Peterson, led us to the playoffs for the

(01:27:59):
first time and that was a.
We had a heartbreaker againstTrinity Christian.
It was a triple overtime andthey won in the end.
And, yeah, I still rememberthat that was over, that was 15
years ago and I still rememberthat it was.
Yeah, I remember.

(01:28:19):
Yeah, I played that year too.
I was on JV for a little bit,but played as a freshman.
That was.
That was hard.
You're getting yelled at by thecoach and you have, like at one
point, all seniors on the lineand then I was the right tackle
and I'm like I am so fuckingscared right now.
Holy crap, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
I don't know what any of this shit is and I'm fucking
scared.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
I liked how you said that I am so fucking scared,
right now Coach stop yelling atme.
I am so fucking scared right now, Coach, stop yelling at me.
Yeah, and at that point too, mycoach from middle school had
led me, you know, trained me inthe weight room.
All that.
I'd lost like 145 pounds bythat point.

(01:29:06):
So that was really cool.
And again, as I went throughfootball, the Jaguars kind of
had their journey Near mysophomore year of doing football
, which started to suck afterthat for numerous reasons.
I remember that Gerard gotbenched for Luke McCown.
I don't know why that happened.

(01:29:27):
I don't know why people werelike thinking like Luke McCown's
going to lead us to thepromised lands.
I'm like, all right, this iswhere we're at, and this is
where we're at in my footballcareer too, because it is crap
here right now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
It is.
It's bad to look back on itbecause for every like great
Fred Taylor, marie Jones drewgame and for every Mike Thomas
Hail Mary, there are like somany bad moments you know so
many bad moments, so many badyears, phil.

(01:30:02):
We were like grasping at strawswith people like Ace Sanders
and Denard Robinson oh my God.
And LaRon Robinson Remember hehad one good year in Dallas,
straws with people like acesanders and denard robinson and
oh my god, and moran robinson.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Remember he had one good year in dallas.
They brought him in, gave him abunch of money uh like a 34
year old tory holt oh my god,like those years.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Yep, yeah, I remember that 70, seven to nine year
that year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Those years were so bad and like again when we had
saxonville, and like bordles andthat one magical year, and then
we just completely just shitthe bed again.
Um, and it was funny because inthat patriots game where miles
jack wasn't down as a reminder,I knew going into half we lost

(01:30:46):
because I remember there waslike a little bit of time at the
end and they need, and I waslike you can't do that, not
against New England.
And I knew we were going to losethat game, and we did, and then
Bortles showed exactly theperson he really was, which
wasn't surprising, but it was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Doug Marone didn't trust him.
The coaching staff didn't trusthim, and probably rightfully so
.
But, they stopped throwing theball.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
And the head coaches too have been like so weird,
doug marone mike.
A lot of retreads like yeah,just awful, awful coaches as
well, and that's why I'm hopefulwith what we've got going on
right now.
But like duval, like liam cohendoesn.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Duval, the inflection see Liam.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Cohen should be a voice actor.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
You should be a voice actor.
You know inflections nice.
Liam Cohen just doesn't inspireconfidence either.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
So like I don't know, like it's just so weird to see
these like high and I mentionedthis to Phil I went to the game
where we came back against theChargers in the playoffs the
most magical atmosphere I'veever experienced in any sporting
event.
It was amazing and to thinkthat another year later, we

(01:32:00):
canceled our season tickets.
We didn't want to be thereanymore.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
It's incredible man it's crazy, it's incredible.
And it's really incredible toohow the year after that they
went 8-3, and we talked about itin the pregame here I think
phil mentioned it that no onewants to talk about how trevor
was playing mvp football, mvpfootball his numbers were on par
, maybe a little bit lower, buton par with patrick's and then

(01:32:25):
injured, and now it's like we'reback in football.
Hell, it's like.
And that that goes to coachingtoo, because I remember reading
an article and I, you know I tryto be kind of like, eh with
articles because there's justopinions, but I do agree with
this one.
That goes back on coaching,because these things happen,
especially with the seasons thatwe have now, with the season

(01:32:48):
extension of like the amount ofgames you play.
That's a rough year of games tobe put on your body.
So at some point one of yourstarters, many of your starters,
are going to get injured.
Your backups are going to bethe stars at some point and they
need to be ready Quarterback,wide receiver, lineman
especially, and the Jaguarsdon't have any fucking depth at

(01:33:09):
all At running back.
Really, in my opinion,quarterback no, wide receivers
no, and defense shit, it's bed.
Last year, for some fuckingreason, we got rid of our
defensive coordinator, which Idon't know, but yeah, that
wasn't even good last yeareither, so none of it was good.

(01:33:31):
Yeah, that wasn't even goodlast year either, so none of it
was good.
And I still personally am onthe belief that Trevor was hurt
starting out of the season andhe just didn't say anything.
That's kind of like my theory alittle bit.
People can go against that, Idon't care, but for me I feel
like he was still kind of hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Trev has kind of become, even outside of Jaguar
fans.
Trevor has become the kind oflitmus test for ball knowers and
non-ball knowers, like peoplethat know and the people that
just go based off statistics.
Because when you look at like,for example, last year, patrick
mahomes and aaron rogers had thesame statistical season, but
did they really have the sameseason?

(01:34:08):
No, so that's one thing I'vedefinitely learned, and shout
out, eric, of course, to myco-host, james johnson, over on
touchdown jaguars he's, he's theguy once.
He's.
Once I started yeah, he is,he's fantastic.
And once I started working withhim, you can really throw
statistical stuff out of thewindow.
Until you go and watch film andthat is one thing that I have

(01:34:29):
gotten better with over time Ican't sit here and say caleb
williams was trash last year.
I didn't watch the chicagobears play football.
I don't know what's going onover there, I don't, I can't.
I can see that just uh, justinherbert is blowing like a 27
point lead to jackson on theplayoffs, but I didn't watch
justin herbert play football allseason.

(01:34:49):
So when it comes to all that, Itry to stay out of it on social
media because you just reallyyou're not following all these
other teams.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
So um absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Trevor, like I said, really has become kind of the
poster boy for you Gotta watchthe tape, because what the tape
is showing, what the numbers areshowing, are not the same thing
.
I'll say this I would rather bea Jaguar fan than a Cleveland
Browns fan.
I'll take what we've gonethrough with the Jacksonville.
Jaguars over Cleveland overwhat?
Cleveland has been throughlosing their team and then it

(01:35:21):
coming back and going throughthe I mean as many quarterbacks
as we've been through.
You know that guy that keepsadding names to the back of his
jersey.
That's a Cleveland Browns fan.
At least, we're not that guy.
So I'll take the Jaguars'history over the Cleveland
Browns.
I don't know how you all feelabout that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
We're one.
I'm telling you all.
We're one or a few, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Could be one, could be a ton, could be five, could
be a ton, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
But when Trevor came and you know that magical season
we had and unfortunately we hadthat crash in 23 or 24, I
forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Yeah 24.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
24, technically.
Yeah, and then this season wasjust all bad, yeah, but it's
like if we had more depth.
That goes back on coaching.
It's funny like even theannouncers like I'll watch it
with my friend's dad.
We love watching sportstogether and it's like we're
just one play away.

(01:36:24):
It's one play away.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
We lost 10 one-score games this year.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Yeah, one fucking play away from a great season
compared to a terrible season.
It's that one step to be on parwith the Eagles, to be on par
with the Chiefs, to be on parwith those type of teams.
It's the teams that can win intough situations that are under
pressure and unfortunately, Ithink Trevor and a few others

(01:36:49):
are ready for that, but they'renot putting them in great
situations.
I mean, who the fuck runs a jeton on first down first and goal
?
You, fucking taylor, like youpress you, tear her in god damn
it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
I don't know where press taylor.
Oh no, he's in chicago, that'sright.
I was like sorry, chicago, ohwe actually like swapped bad
coordinators.
We got Shane Waldron and theygot Prince Taylor, so luckily I
don't think Shane Waldron willbe too involved with play
calling.
But I think it's kind of funnythat we swap the two most hated
coaches on both teams.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Bro, how do you?
I remember seeing that lastyear, last year and I'm like
first off, trevor is kind ofhurt or he's been hurt, so his
running is not on par with whatit used to be.
It's first and goal, okay, orsecond and goal, but you haven't
really implemented the runninggame at all.

(01:37:45):
You haven't gotten that goingyou should have.
You're putting our quarterbackin danger, like what the fuck is
your, is your thought process?
Did you really think this wasgoing to work against a defense?
I can't remember who it was,but they had a decent defense.
I'm like they've been attackingus on the edge all fucking time
.
They've been.
They've been destroying camrobinson like you're really

(01:38:05):
gonna do that right now.
Like really like, help him.
You're, you are, you are, youare.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Help me, god, help him, yeah for those of you that
are still around that aren'tfootball fans uh, if you want to
know how to get into footballvery easily even if you don't
have a team, play fantasyfootball.
Fantasy football is a way forpeople, a lot of people who
don't even really care aboutfootball.
They'll play fantasy footballand it's a great way to get kind
of ingratiated with the sport.

(01:38:31):
So, um, yes, uh, that that ismy suggestion there.
But, yeah, the jaguars, uh, we,uh, we just can't quit them.
I'll tell you, I'll tell youthis, josh, I'll give you a
little, uh, inside informationtouchdown jaguars almost ended.
If, because tramp bulky wasgoing to stick around, we had
real discussions about eitherending the podcast or turning it
into an all-encompassing NFLpodcast, I could not do it again

(01:38:57):
, and we already took the stepof canceling our season tickets.
I wasn't going to be able tosit.
We released the least amount ofepisodes we ever have last year
just because we could not do it.
It was not fun to talk aboutthem.
There was no hope.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Trevor was injured.
What I gonna do?
Talk about mac jones goingseven for 13 and for 83 yards
and two touchdowns.
You know, listen, hometown boywas funny for like a quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Yeah, it was like a little bit it was like fun for
like a quarter and then it waslike I'm okay with him being our
backup quarterback, but I don'tever want to see him play
football again.
It's sad, I want to add.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
I want to add like real quick, like dude, I mean,
if there's any pressure thatthey need, cause I feel like I
mean the NFL, I know, can havedivas, it's just like I don't
know, I don't know.
I've never been into that damnlocker room, I'm not an, I'm
professional football player.
But if you need any pressure,you have local businesses that
are running out of businessbecause of the Jaguars, your

(01:39:53):
team fucking up.
If that's, I mean sports mania.
Sports mania is one locally inJacksonville sports mania sports
mania, because the Jaguars suckMost of the time.
It's like that.
Business goes downhill.
And they were selling otherstuff to Seminole stuff, uh,
gainesville stuff.
And they were selling otherstuff too, seminole stuff,
gainesville stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
You know, the Florida Gators all that stuff you go to
the one in Mandarin or out atthe beach.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Beach Beach.
Yeah, that's because my dadused to work at a place called
Chizu, so yeah, it was kind ofacross the street from there.
But yeah, sports Mania, youhave some other places that no
one in Jacksonville probablyreally heard of Football.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Fanatics is gone.
No one in Jacksonville footballfanatics is gone.
It's the locker room by Lidsnow.
So it's just corporate owned,Just a corporate entity.
I mean fanatics is also a bigcorporate entity.
We're not hating on you, we'rejust saying I'm hating on them a
little bit.
They're pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
We like mom and pop football players, especially for
our home team.
But it's like what the fuck canyou do when all you do is like
not you, but it's like all youdo with your team.
All they do is lose.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Duval Till we Die shop.
They put in incredible work andrelease amazing stuff.
And I mean, granted, eric, wewent to the garage sales.
Phil spent a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
Yeah, Good deals, dude Deals a deal it was a great
time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
The one person I would say that is suffering the
most, I feel, is Tony Buscelliand Mark Brunel, yeah, or just
Jaguars in general.
I mean MJD deep down when he'sdoing his NFL analysis work.
It's like I have to talk anddefend the Jaguars again.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Always picks us.
Always picks us.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Always picks us.
He doesn't give a shit.
It's like that's my hometown orthat's my home team.
I'm not going to go against myhome team, but I don't know, man
.
It's like we're living likesome anime right now.
I'm waiting for that climax andthe Chiefs are like freaking
all for one.
It's like I'm like when is that?
I need to see that arc, damn it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
That's why Eagle's Blowout was so fun to watch this
year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Oh yes, the Jaguars are blue lock, but we're one of
the kids that got sent home.
We didn't even get past thefirst initial.
We didn't even get past it,they got hit with the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
They got sent home.
Dude, we're an NPC.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
Well, while it may not be fun to be a Jaguar fan,
we are at least going to havefun now as we get ready for game
time, so that's at least goingto be a plus here, phil, I think
as we transition, we had a lotof topics, a lot of stuff that
we talked about.
I think these two games willreally be a cherry on top to a
great episode that we've had sofar, and if you want to pull

(01:42:35):
them up, I'll have you which onewe want to do first.
Yeah I'll have you present.
Uh, we'll do this or that firstand then we'll do game, game,
uh, so if you've been, a fan ofthe show.
You've seen these, some newquestions and prompts and you
know, while you pull that up,phil, I meant to grab this at
the wrestling conversation.

(01:42:57):
I'm going to grab the beltreally quick to show.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Oh yeah, I'm excited, I'm excited.
I forgot about this I stillhaven't seen it in person.
I must see it.
Yo wait Bro.
You need to bring that tocollective Dang dude, I must see
it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Yo wait Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
You need to bring that to collective Dang dude.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
So my brother, got this for me and it's got both of
us.
There's Phil, there's me,randomly last.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Christmas, he like hey send me a picture of you.
You can't ask why I was likewhat so yeah, you're putting me
on like, like, some kind of darkweb website.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
I'll do it for the money, but like.
Could you at least tell me?

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
like where am I going ?
What the fuck am I doing?
Dude, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
I wish I would have known, because I would have
picked my headshot.
That looks like your headshot.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
I do want to replace that with it.
I figured, once we get updatedheadshots, I'll just replace
both of these with new headshots.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
Is it easy to do like ?

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
no clue because I haven't seen it in person.
No clue.
I mean, like the pictures, howare the pictures?

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
the pictures are fine um, they just slide in, or the
logo looks the best, which iswhat matters.
But yeah, no, they have like umthings you could screw to get
the plates off oh, okay, okay,okay, I thought it was like okay
I guess whatever company he gotthis through I this is a uh
trophy smack.
I think it's what it's called.
I don't I might have made thatup, but there's a company during
fantasy football season you geta million of those.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
It's probably the company that does that, yeah,
yeah, so not to take us offtrack, but yeah, I was like it's
just, it's just hanging thereon my wall.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
So I was like I'm to my NXT belt uh Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
In the back.
It's signed by uh Adam Cole uhthe street profits and Bianca
Belair Wow, yeah, we met her andthe street profits back in
December.
We did a uh, it was a bucketlist thing for us to do the meet
and greet VIP thing and we didit when they did a.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
They were so sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
They're great uh, as far as execution, wwe can work
on that, but the experienceitself was good, and that might
have been more of a vi stararena thing.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
To be honest, damn, yeah, yeah, I would say that I
would say that I mean, there wasa pay-per-view that came here
in 2008.
It was extreme rules.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
We were there, you were there, yeah hell yeah, we
were.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Oh wait, that was there too.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
No, isn't that crazy like how we probably just missed
each other in so many moments.
That's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
We were there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
We met Bobby Lashley at like a car dealership the day
before.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Oh yeah, that was so weird, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
And remember he was, people told him like the people
there.
No pictures, but I like grabbedonto his hand and then Eric
snapped a picture of me reallyquick so I got to find it.
I'll send it to you I was likeEric now.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Now, now Do it Got it Woo.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
See you, brother.
What were they going to do?
We already took the picture.
What were they going to do?
Shoot me the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
All right, that was a good pay-per-view Shout out to
Do-Rag Vince.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
That's bad dude.
We're not doing this.
We're not doing this.
All right this belt is gettinga glare from my ring light and I
don't want to hold it the wholetime, so I'm now going to put
it down.
Oh yeah, you got to protect thatit's also way heavier than you
think it would be.
But that being said, this orthat, uh, the instructions on

(01:46:13):
the next one uh, phil, if youwant to move forward, a very
clear uh.
Don't cheat, don't look up theanswer.
Everyone gets to answer.
On this one uh, it'll be alittle phil, stop.
It'll be a little different.
On the next one uh, and mostpoints win.
So it'll be pretty easy, phil,I got rid of the.
Are you ready slide?
Uh, as you requested.
So we're just gonna get rightinto the game and it'll be
pretty easy to figure it out aswe go.
So for the first prompt forthis or that, I want you guys to

(01:46:39):
talk through and decide andpick individually which
franchise has had the biggerretail sales.
I will give you a hint Both ofthese are over $50 billion.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
And they are the two highest according to Wikipedia.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
So Pokemon or Mickey and friends?
And yes, that is Mickey andfriends.
So all of those properties,goofy Donald, all of that jazz.
So, josh, talking it out andthen eventually making a
decision.
But talking it out, what areyou thinking over here?
Pokemon or Mickey and Friends?

(01:47:19):
What are your?

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
thoughts man, I mean two big legendary franchises and
have split off into differentmediums.
I mean in their own way.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
We're also talking lunchboxes.
Yeah, dude, you know silverware, silverware, clothes Blankets,
yeah, blankets, like bro,bedsheets, bedsheets.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
I mean for me, like I'm gonna take a hot take, I'm
gonna do a hot take and sayPokemon, pokemon.
I Okay, I don't know why, but Ifeel it's Pokemon.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Sometimes you got to go with your gut.
This is worldwide too, probablyright.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Like worldwide.
Yeah, that's why it could verywell be Pokemon because of the
Eastern market, yeah so I'lltake Mickey.
Yeah, I'll go Mickey.
Okay, but I wouldn't besurprised either way.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
Okay, let's go ahead and reveal our answer, which is
Pokemon, that's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Wow, it's not even close, it's not even close.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Pokemon is estimated to be $91.6 billion and I want
to clarify it also you can't getcards anywhere.
Yeah, so it also breaks downoverall and, unlike the other
ones, most of Pokemon's comesfrom retail, which is kind of
crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
um, yeah, so yeah yeah, I mean, I went into game
stop today and there was atwo-pack limit on pokemon cards,
so that's really.
Yeah, I guess scalpers are aresnatching them up, man it's a
whole craze it is a it's backthe.
The state of tcg is is terribleright now as far as collecting,
which is a bummer because Ijust got back into it solely to
collect.
I have no desire to sell cards,I just want to collect cool

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cards.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Are you getting into like One Piece Arcana, all that?

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
Lorcana.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Lorcana from the Disney.
Yeah, I've collected a few ofthose.
They're really cool.
I just like collecting.
I like collecting stuff.
That's why I have the Funkos.
I've got the cards and stufflike that, so it's just good to
go back.
I got a lot of physical mediaas well.
Nice Pokemon I got back into atthe wrong time.
I should have done it a fewyears ago.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
That's crazy man, it's tough Alright.
Well, josh is up 1-0.
And now our next one.
Which of these have the mosttotal episodes?
Is it one piece or all of thelaw and orders?

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Oh shit.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
So is it possible that one piece is more?
Or, if I combine all the lawand orders, is that one more?
Phil, we'll kick you off withthis one, just kind of thinking
it out loud.
You know one piece is long.
You also know there are a lotof versions of Law Order in
there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Law Order has like 25 episodes a season too, so it's
not like a normal televisionshow.
Remember when television showswould have a lot of episodes?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
I will tell you these two are pretty close in number,
which is why I went with thesetwo.
So, phil, I will tell you,these two are pretty close in
number, which is why I went withthese two.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
So, phil, I will take the underdog and go.
Law Order Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Josh, what are you thinking?
Which one do you want to go?

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
with as much as I want to say Law Order, I'm going
to just pick one piece.
Well, God damn it.
I'm starting to second guessmyself.
Damn it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
Think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
They're on season like 25 or something of the,
just the regular SVU.
I think it's not even takinginto account regular law and
order.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
I mean, good grief man, good grief Charlie Brown.
Jeez, we're not going to behere all day.
I'm just going to pick onepiece and I want, if there's a
shock value, to see how manyepisodes there are at law and
order.
I I can't wait to see all right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Well, the answer is law and order with oh wow, I was
for sure I was losing law.
Law and Order has 1,383episodes across 67 seasons of
television.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Oh shit, my bad.
Thanks, I guess when I clickaway, I don't know, I don't know
.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
But yeah, that is our answer.
One piece, 1,122 episodes as ofthis recording.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Why is it blank?
Is it blank on y'all's end?

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah, you broke it.
There are four OVAs, 14 TVspecials, 15 movies estimated,
but again not counting those,just episodes.
One Piece falls a little short.
Crazy to think that One Piecewill catch up to that number,
though.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Probably, probably, there we go, probably All right
we're back on board.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
Our next category, letterboxd, is where anyone can
create a profile and rank amovie from 1 to 5 stars.
What movie here has the lowestLetterboxd rating average among
users?
Is it Batman v Superman orSuicide Squad squad?

(01:52:11):
And yes, it is the originalsuicide squad.
God damn, jared leto, jokersuicide squad.
So, josh, I'm gonna let youtalk this one out.
Uh, where are you kind ofleaning?
I'm assuming you may have seenor at least heard of these two
films oh, yes, oh, I saw bitsand pieces of suicide squad.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Why does it keep happening?

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
I don't, I don't know .
I didn't, I thought at leastheard of these two films.
Oh, yes, oh, I saw Bits andPieces of Suicide Squad.
Why does it keep happening?
I don't know.
I thought you did that onpurpose.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
I've watched Batman versus Superman.
I watched that actually intheaters Same and it was.
I wanted to like it.
I thought Ben Affleck's Batmanwas the closest we'll get to a
comic book Bruce Wayne andBatman in a way but just the
direction that it went.

(01:52:59):
Yeah, I can go on a tangent onthat, but I'm just going to go
Suicide Squad.
Okay, you're going SuicideSquad.

Speaker 3 (01:53:08):
Phil are you going to go along with that as well, or
are you going to go the oppositeroute?

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
I think I will also go Suicide Squad, because Batman
v Superman has its defense.
Those Snyder fans, dude, theyare ravenous.
So I will also go Suicide Squadand see if we can at least keep
it tied.
Keep it tied.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Okay, all right, let's go ahead and reveal our
answer.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
And, unsurprisingly, it is Suicide Squad with a 2.1
average rating.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Yeah, 2.4 for Batman v Superman Sucks because there
was a bunch of good actors inthat movie.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
I know it is a bummer A bunch of good actors and bad
writing, very bad writing.
They wanted to be guardians sobad.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
And also look at this killer croc.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
That's so awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
That's clearly just a dude, that's just a guy with a
hoodie.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
I say I thought it looked awesome, but Captain
Blushang looks like a crackheadover here in this picture.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
What's going on To play devil's advocate there?
Josh King Shark looked awesomein the newer Suicide Squad, so
like why did we get this KillerCroc?

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
You do have a point.
You do have a point.
Yeah, crap, maybe.
See, I can be too nicesometimes and I'm just like, but
they're trying, you can seethat they're trying a little bit
Shout out to Katana, who iscarved out.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
I can't remember the name of the actress, but she has
carved out an awesome career.
She's in the boys now, right,Isn't she in the boys?

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
I think so.
That actress, yes, good for her, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
And Margot Robbie.
Come on, and Margot Robbie, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Although I'm going to of Jared Leto Crazy.
Anyway, we've moved on to talkabout the higher ranking, so I'm
going to clarify this.
This is on the Hollywoodreporters critics picks for the

(01:55:03):
50 best films of the 21stcentury.
Oh, so I want to know which ofthese animated films.
These are the only two animatedfilms on that list.
I want to know which one ofthese two animated films were
ranked higher.
Was it Spirited Away or WALL-E?
Both of these films were in therankings and the only two

(01:55:27):
animated films to make the list.
So, phil, of course SpiritedAway had to, you know, get
brought up here, but WALL-Epleasant surprise.
What are you thinking here?

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
I'm actually not surprised that WALL-E is on here
.
People love WALL-E.
I think WALL-E is fine.
I just I think it's a littleboring and when you have other
Disney films to choose fromWALL-E, it would be a long time
before I brought up WALL-E, butI think I can confidently say I
think it's WALL-E.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
Okay, and Josh, I think, just to know that these
are the only two I have thoughtsbut we're not going to get into
that.
Shout out to Treasure Planet.
It doesn't get enough roses.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Yeah, or Atlantis, that's right.
Both of them, both is good.
Both is good.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Both, both, both is good.
I'm going to have to pickWALL-E too.
This is for the whole world, orjust United States?

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
There were international films on this list
as well.
The Hollywood Reporter, thecritics that were on a panel
that picked this.
They were selected to pick the50 best films of the 21st
century.
So this included pretty muchany film under the sun animated,
international, etc.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Okay, yeah, I'll do WALL-E, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
Both of you selected WALL-E and our answer is
actually Spirited Away.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Wow, spirited Away made it sixth on the list.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
They love that movie.
Wall-e 14th.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
What was number one?
Hold on, can we guess?

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
You're not going to know the movie.
You won't know the movie.
I think it's ShawshankRedemption.
No, it's a movie I never heardof who's in it.
It's called Wait, I think thisis the one.
I should have wrote it down.
I had a feeling you might askme and I still didn't write it
down.
It's called Yuri, Yuri, Ibelieve.
No, no, that can't be it.

(01:57:22):
That's not right, Yuri.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
Yuri, no, that's not it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:25):
No, that's not.
It Hold on Top 50 films of the21st century.
There we go.
If you get it, let me know.
But that movie is, oh, there wego.
It has a nice little featurewhere you can skip ahead.
Oh, yee, yee, I don't knowwhere I got Yuri Yuri from.
Yee, yee is a 2000 film thatcame out and I've never heard of

(01:57:53):
this.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
never heard of this maybe if you got rid of that
yee-yee-ass haircut, you'd getsome bitches on your dick.
I can't finish that.
I can't finish that line.
It's from GTA 5 oh, that'sfunny oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
I never really played GTA, so that's really funny.

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
Great, all right, phil.
All I know is I'll take tonumber nine.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
I wish I hadn't explained it and just left that
there for no context.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
No, I think it's better for all of us that you
did All.
Right, let's get to our last.
This or that.
Now, this is based off ofFamily Feud, and obviously you
know how Family Feud works.
They're asked a question andthere's typically a number one
answer.
So I would like to know, forthe scenario, name a sitcom that

(01:58:46):
always seems to be rerunning onTV.
When asked 100 people, whichone is the number one answer the
Big Bang Theory or Friends?
Phil, I know you hate one ofthese shows, but both of these
are arguably two of the biggestsitcoms out there.

(01:59:08):
So what are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
The scramble to turn off TBS after a basketball game
ends before the Big Bang Theorystarts.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
All the university, all the hot bets.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Literally every single time.
No, no, no, no, no, I'm goingto try to like grab the
microphone.
I think it's friends, but I'mnot confident, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
Josh, what are you thinking over there?
How are you feeling?

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Are you fans of?

Speaker 3 (01:59:37):
both of these or watched any of them.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
Joey was my favorite on Friends, but I never really
watched Friends.
I watched how I Met your Motheroh yes, that.
But also my number one was kingof queens.
Oh yeah, solid, great kevinjames kevin james.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Kevin james, before he went to this weird, he like
took a strange.
He tried to follow adamsandler's footsteps but like his
movies weren't as good his solomovies unfortunately, you know
so, but he's super talented I Ilove.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
Kevin James.
I love Kevin James, but I'mgoing to have to man, I'm going
to have to go with, I think, bigBang Theory.
I Again good actors, thewriting.
Sometimes I'm just like I kindof question.
I'm like why'd the laugh trackgo over that?
That was not funny yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
Great actors.
That's the Big Bang Theory, sowe'll lock you in for Big Bang
Theory, phil, to determine awinner.
Is Penny really that much?

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
taller than Leonard.
I've never noticed that before.
Damn.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
Shout out to the Short Kings.
Right here, baby Phil, welocking you in for Friends to
get a winner.
Okay, yeah, the answer is theBig Bang Theory Boom 26 versus
Friends 22.
Is the Big Bang Theory Boom 26versus Friends 22.
Others that made the list outof a survey of 100 people
Seinfeld, frasier, two and aHalf Men, the Simpsons, the

(02:01:00):
Fresh Prince of Bel-Air Hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Okay, I like Frasier and I like the other one you
said.

Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
Fresh Prince, two and a Half Men, seinfeld, seinfeld.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
Seriously, I do not remember this disparity.
It's really bothering me.
That's very wild, that's verywild.

Speaker 3 (02:01:23):
You're like I had a chance.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
Who's supposed to be me?
Who's supposed to be me andGolden Globe winner Kaylee Cuoco
Shout out to her.

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
who's supposed to be me and golden globe winner shout
out to her alright, our lastgame is called game game and we
are gonna play this.
This is all video game basedand there are gonna be three
different types of games aboutgames.
So, as Phil pulls that up forour visual audience, again,

(02:01:53):
audio only.
You guys will be fine here forthe most part, up until the end.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
So there are three games yeah.
Before I pull this up here,josh, keeping it brief, how did
you feel about the how I Metyour Mother finale and how that
ended?

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
talking about your mother finale and how that ended
.
Um, I sometimes no words areall.
If they were gonna go now, tellme if I'm wrong, because it's
been a long time since I watchedit.
But if they were going therobin route, just go the robin
route right like stop it yeahdon't give robin and barney
these crazy redemption arcs andtear them down.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
And yeah, it really yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
And I love Barney.
Barney was funny, but yeah, Imean I feel like again you can
disagree with me, but like Ifelt the show kind of went on
for too long?

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
It definitely did.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
I felt like again, if they were going the robin route
, which I, I, I liked, I likedted and robin together the whole
time, I, I was like I don'tknow why that didn't work.
I maybe, well, actually, yeah,I liked how they that at the
beginning that happened and thenfound their way back to each
other.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
And found your way back, yeah, and then you find
out you know you're still inlove with, with aunt robin like,
like, if you're going thatroute, well, they shoehorned
themselves in because theyfilmed that ending with those
kids so long ago and then, ofcourse, they grew up because
they're children.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, itdefinitely went on too long, and
that's why Jason Segel isbarely in the last season,

(02:03:25):
because he did not want to dothat character anymore.
He was over it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
That's why he's barely in it.
I just think it should haveended sooner and Robin should
have been the one and not getBarney involved.
Sorry, but that was kind ofuseless.
Sorry, eric, I had to take overthere.
No, that's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
You need someone to share your pain.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
I really do.

Speaker 3 (02:03:45):
I understand it, game game is easy to play.
Game game it uh, game game iseasy to play in game.
The three types of games thatwe'll see on the next slide here
, uh, is answer the question sojust, it's going to be a
question and answer multiplechoice and then complete the
word.
I think we'll adapt on this oneand what we'll do is we'll give
josh first dibs at answer thequestion, uh, and if you don't

(02:04:08):
get the answer right, phil willget a chance to take over and
then get the lead to the nextquestion and we'll kind of go
back and forth.
When we get to complete theword, it'll probably be first
one to shout it out, but it mayneed a hint, which I have
available if we need.
So, okie, dokie, I can't askyou, are you ready?
because Phil made me take outthat slide Do you have

(02:04:29):
permission to use in canva, sonintendo can take it up with
also.

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
We're not monetized on youtube.
Just kidding.
We have nothing to lose, notyet nothing to lose, all right,
uh, josh.

Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
First question what nintendo game is the highest
open critic?
Uh, with 97, with a 97 criticaverage.
So open critic is just anaverage of all reviews and is,
uh, one of the primary thingsthat people will go to to see
how good a game is according tousers and critics.

(02:05:02):
So what do you think isprobably a 97, which is, I
should clarify, the highest OpenCritic score?

Speaker 2 (02:05:11):
So it is top, top, top of the list.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Well, I'm going to have to say Open Critic.
A game that everybody couldplay, a game that everybody will
like Families, adults, kids.
This is kind of a pocket pickMario Party 1.
Okay, it's a good guess.
Pick Mario Party One Okay, it'sa good guess Not what we're
looking for.

Speaker 3 (02:05:37):
Phil, you have a chance to take over and steal
here, is it?

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
Mario 64?
.

Speaker 3 (02:05:44):
It is not.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
Oh, I was so confident.

Speaker 3 (02:05:48):
Josh, if you want to take another crack at it, I will
give you a hint here.
The uh game is a mario gameyeah, okay, mario kart it is not
mario kart fuck phil, I'll giveyou one last crack at it,
otherwise we'll reveal oh my god, what was the name of that game

(02:06:09):
, mario?

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
No, no, it's not that one.
Oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
I'm freaking out.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
It's not Mario 64?
Is it like Super?
Oh, jesus Christ, you're gonnahave to guess.
I'm trying to think of the onewith his fucking hat.
He throws the hat around.
Oh my God, mario, you're goingto be so mad, I really am.
I'm just going to go with theone I know like Super Mario

(02:06:42):
Brothers 2 or something.

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
No, okay, the answer is Super Mario Odyssey.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
Damn.
That is the one with his hatright on the screen.

Speaker 3 (02:06:51):
Yeah, so I was thinking of the right game.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
I just he's got a.

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
T-Rex in it.
Although neither of you guysgot a point, josh, you do still
get to go first now, so it isback in your court.
Our next question Sweet, ingaming, when someone is not
actively playing, what is themost common term used?
I need the abbreviation andwhat it means.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
Oh AFK away from people.

Speaker 3 (02:07:20):
Boo, that is correct.

Speaker 2 (02:07:22):
Boo, this should have been the first question.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
I know I play League of Legends all the time and
people are AFK and we lose ourARAMs.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
Josh really quick, yeah.
Do you suggest anybody playLeague of Legends?

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
Fuck no, dude, take a shot.

Speaker 2 (02:07:38):
That's our new take a shot.

Speaker 3 (02:07:39):
It's the same answer every time.
Josh, have you had to take abreak for your own mental
well-being?

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
I took a break for like five years.
Dude, it's always that long too, it's always so long.

Speaker 3 (02:07:52):
It's always like I stopped playing WoW or I stopped
playing League for a coupleyears, I changed as a person and
now, unfortunately, I'm back init.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
That's every single time.
I wish it were easy to do tojust put a compilation of clips.
We gotta start tracking it,Phil.

Speaker 3 (02:08:08):
you have revealed the answer.
That is correct AFK, away fromkeyboard.
Our next question Josh, you aregoing to get first crack at it.
Sure, this creepypasta has beenadapted into numerous video
games over the years, evenmaking its way into communities
like Minecraft and Roblox.
Slenderman Fuck.
It is not.

(02:08:30):
Slenderman.
Fuck.
It is not Slenderman.
Fuck.
It's a great guess.
That is the guess to make,unfortunately, not the correct
answer.
Phil, you do have a chance tosteal and I will say the hint
was that Slenderman was theprobably best guess.
I would say this is probablythe second best guess because
they've made a ton of these Like.

(02:08:52):
This is one that is is there'sa lot of them like Slenderman is
like, specifically like thegame you think of.

Speaker 2 (02:08:59):
No, that's not a creepypasta.
Wendigo's not a creepypasta.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Yeah, that's more folklore man, I think I know the
answer, but fuck oh my god, Ireally thought it was Slender
man.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
Which creepypasta.

Speaker 3 (02:09:15):
I'm so mad I think you will be mad.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
Oh my god, I don't know if I have a guess.

Speaker 3 (02:09:27):
Do you want to take one?
Do you want to go Wendigo?

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
No, because it's not Wendigo, it's whatever the
creepers are based off of, and Idon't know it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:38):
Okay, I think I got a guess.
Wendigo, it's not Wendigo.
Okay, bad guess.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
Josh, do you have a guess?
I don't know if this counts,but I'll say it anyways the back
rooms.

Speaker 3 (02:09:52):
It is Good guess oh, that's a good guess the back
rooms.

Speaker 2 (02:09:55):
Oh, okay, Okay great guess.

Speaker 3 (02:09:57):
Yes, yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (02:09:58):
I was thinking like some sort of monster.
Yeah, side note, I'm going to anew therapist and on the second
floor to the right there, isjust a totally empty office
space and I'm like oh my god,I'm gonna die in here.

Speaker 1 (02:10:16):
It's the back rooms.
Oh shit, no one's gonna see meever again hey look.
A.
I hope the therapy's going good.
I gotta go back to my house.

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
Highly recommended.
Every time I go, I'm gonna dropa pin just so you guys know
where I parked the car.

Speaker 1 (02:10:31):
Oh my god, but every time I go I'm going to drop a
pin just so you guys know whereI parked the car.
Oh, my God Not going to get me,hey man, those empty spaces
like yeah, they're scary.

Speaker 3 (02:10:47):
Also, eric knows, as somebody who uses the back
hallways at the mall all thetime, I am totally a candidate
to get lost in the back room andI'm making Phil.
We're're playing a game, are weduring a game for this month
called the Stanley Parable?
Oh yeah, that's specificallyall he's been doing is going in
like empty, empty shamelessplug-in.

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
I will do a shameless plug-in.
Right now I am in a video gamecalled the back rooms, lost
tapes, and I'm in the first.
Hell, yeah, um, I love the backrooms.
Well, that's kind of a weirdsaying, but like, yeah, I want
to find me in the back room.
I'm gonna no clip my ass out ofreality.
Find me in the back rooms, baby.
No, yeah, that's.

(02:11:23):
It's that creepypasta KanePixels has done.
It's crazy.
A24 wants to work with him on afilm for the back rooms love it
, that's crazy.
A24 wants to work with him on afilm for the back rooms Love it
, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:11:34):
Yeah, I just recently listened to a podcast about the
back rooms so it's very freshin my mind so I should have
gotten this.
Yeah, I thought you would have.
I didn't know there was backrooms in Minecraft.
I didn't know that was a thingin Minecraft.

Speaker 3 (02:11:44):
Oh dude, my son plays the hell out of that thing.
Yeah it is creepy.
It is creepy, all right.
Our next set of questions aregoing to be multiple choice.
They'll work the same way,except there's a little bit more
of an advantage if the persongets it wrong for the person
behind.
So, josh, the question is yeah.
Which of these games have thehighest rating on steam?

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:12:08):
Is it left for 2, Hades, Stardew Valley or Portal?
I'm going to let you get firstcrack at it, and if you don't
get it right, Phil, you'll havethree options, Josh will have
two and then, if he gets itwrong, well, it's one left.
So you're kind of at anadvantage, being the second
person, if neither of you knowit.
But do you know it, Josh?
You know it.

(02:12:28):
But do you know it, Josh?
Or do you have a good guess youwant to make?
I'm going to make a guessStardew Valley.
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:12:35):
Stardew Valley.
That was also going to be myguess.
A lot of people played that.

Speaker 3 (02:12:39):
I was hoping I would trick somebody, because Portal 2
is the only game that wouldhave been on this list.
That would have been higher.
I only listed the original.
I thought it would be stardewor hades yeah, yeah, hades a
little bit lower actually, uhsurprising.
All right, josh, you're.
You're uh rocking it with threepoints here and you've got

(02:12:59):
first crack at our next question, which is for you as of
december 2024.
How many copies?

Speaker 1 (02:13:05):
oh my god, from the metal gear franchise hey, I
don't know numbers.

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
I don't know numbers.

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
I just love this series.

Speaker 3 (02:13:12):
I'm going to have.
So is it over $60 million, over$70 million, over $80 million,
over $90 million?

Speaker 1 (02:13:20):
copies sold.
Metal Gear is a very it couldbe a niche franchise to get into
.
It's not like Mario, but it waskind of the pillars of
PlayStation and gaming ingeneral.
I am going to do something thatI was taught whenever, whenever
I was younger, on a test, whenI don't know the answer, pixie

(02:13:44):
that honestly.

Speaker 3 (02:13:45):
That would have been hilarious if you got it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:47):
Fuck uh but no, no, you did not get it, phil.

Speaker 3 (02:13:50):
you now have three options Is it over 60 million,
over 70 million or over 90million?

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
I'm gonna go B.
It is not B Shit, is it D?
So Josh?

Speaker 3 (02:14:05):
is it over 60 or over 90?

Speaker 1 (02:14:07):
Hideo Kojima, hear me in the ether.

Speaker 3 (02:14:14):
I'm going to pick D.
It is not D.
Oh my God, Phil, would you liketo make the choice it?

Speaker 2 (02:14:20):
is.
Is it C?

Speaker 3 (02:14:26):
That's crazy.
That is crazy, all right, butthat being said, we're in the
middle of game game you arewinning, so game game phil does
get first crack at this one.
According to smash wiki, whichof these characters are the

(02:14:47):
lowest on their super smash brosultimate tier list?
Is it bowser jr?
Mute to me sword fighter.
So the sword fighter from thewii or zelda?

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
which of these is lowest on their tier list?

Speaker 3 (02:15:03):
I don't think it's yep, so their tier list goes
from a, b, c, d, e and of course, their s tier, which one is
ranked the lowest.
So more than likely they're onthe D or the E tier.

Speaker 2 (02:15:13):
I think maybe based off his size, is it Bowser Jr?
It is not.
Oh crap, I should have gonewith my gut.
If it's my gut answer, I'mgoing to commit seppuku.

Speaker 3 (02:15:30):
Josh, do you have a guess here?

Speaker 1 (02:15:32):
Me, me, swordfighter.

Speaker 3 (02:15:34):
It was a good guess but, not the answer we're
looking for.

Speaker 2 (02:15:38):
No, isn't Mewtwo.
People hate the Pokemoncharacters.

Speaker 3 (02:15:42):
It is not what.

Speaker 2 (02:15:45):
Josh, it is Zelda.

Speaker 3 (02:15:47):
What?
Zelda is right behind me, SwordFighter how?

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
Really.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
Yeah, mewtwo is in the C tier, though they don't
love him.

Speaker 2 (02:15:58):
I'm so confused, I know I wonder why, I mean, I
don't play Smash.
I'm terrible at it, I know Idon't know.
Here we are.

Speaker 3 (02:16:06):
All right.
Josh you're going to get.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
I don't have them for you.

Speaker 3 (02:16:12):
Josh, you're going to have first crack at the last
multiple choice or no, we're ata multiple choice.
Okay, I lost track of time.
You're going to get first crackat.
Actually, this can go foreither of you guys.
So first I want to shout outthe answer.
Take a look at the missingletters and the letters that
you're seeing.
This is three words.

(02:16:32):
Who can complete the word?
And if nobody can, I will givea hint Again.
First one to shout out theright answer will get the point.

Speaker 1 (02:16:40):
Oh, my goodness gracious, oh my gosh Enunciate.

Speaker 3 (02:16:49):
For our audio only listeners.
They are just staring at thescreen.

Speaker 2 (02:16:51):
I know the second word For our audio only
listeners.
They are struggling Staring atthe screen.

Speaker 1 (02:16:55):
I know the second word is Right.

Speaker 3 (02:17:04):
Phil, if you want to reveal the hint.

Speaker 2 (02:17:07):
I just click forward once, yep.

Speaker 3 (02:17:10):
The studio that handles this game is called
Sucker Punch Ghost of.
Tsushima, it is.

Speaker 2 (02:17:15):
Ghost of Tsushima.

Speaker 3 (02:17:17):
Jin Sakai, yes, which you recently played and beat.

Speaker 2 (02:17:21):
I did and I love.

Speaker 1 (02:17:24):
It is horseshit, but that game isn't.
I loved that game so good.

Speaker 3 (02:17:30):
I played it for the first time for an episode we did
because Phil had played itbeforehand, but I played it for
the first time last year.
It was very, very good.

Speaker 2 (02:17:38):
It's one of the most beautiful gaming experiences I
have ever had.

Speaker 3 (02:17:41):
Yeah, man, ghost of Yotai is going to be hype.
Oh yeah, let's go ahead andjump into our next word.
It's two words.

Speaker 2 (02:17:54):
Oreo.
I literally thought Oreo intoour next word.
It's two words oreo not oreo.
I'm just hungry, I'm a hungyman.

Speaker 1 (02:18:01):
I'm a hungy man.
What?

Speaker 2 (02:18:04):
is that second word?

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
nah, dude uh, no, oh man am I just, I'm just out of
it.
Um, nah, dude, no man, am Ijust, I'm just out of it.

Speaker 3 (02:18:17):
That's tough For you both, not to get at least one of
the words kind of crazy, I'mkind of crazy, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:18:24):
I'm wild.
Yeah, Oreo All right.
Well, no.

Speaker 3 (02:18:26):
Oreo lets me know we need the hint, so if you want to
reveal the hint.

Speaker 2 (02:18:32):
Photo Pokemon Snap.

Speaker 3 (02:18:35):
Motherfuck.
The hint was photo and the gameis Pokemon Snap.
Alright, phil, I do believe youare down by like Two points, so
Is this the last one?
This is the last one.
Maybe I don't have a tiebreaker, so I think you're going to
just lose.

(02:18:55):
I like two points, so this isthe last one.

Speaker 2 (02:18:58):
This is the last one, okay, maybe I don't have a
tiebreaker, so I think you'regoing to just lose, but it'll be
interesting to see which one ofyou guys get this one.
So Reddit mod.

Speaker 3 (02:19:06):
Reddit moderator mod.
Not the worst guess, but notnot correct.
No.

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
Is that three words?
It is three words oh.
Oh gosh, darn it, dude oh man,man, okay, this has got to be
invigorating for the audio.
Yeah, no, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (02:19:34):
Let's give you guys the hint.
The hint is it's a first personshooter.
Ready or not?
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:19:39):
I'm in that game and I didn't even get it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
I was going to say Josh is in that game.
Oh are you?
I am in it.

Speaker 3 (02:19:48):
He did voices for the game that team is really nice.

Speaker 2 (02:19:50):
Have you played it?
I have played it.
Damn it, he did voices for thegame.

Speaker 1 (02:19:51):
That's awesome.
That team is really nice too,have you played it?
I have played it a little bit.
That thing is realistic as fuck.

Speaker 2 (02:19:56):
It's hard.
It is hard If you ever want tojump on and play.
We need a fourth.

Speaker 1 (02:19:59):
Holy crap man.
I would love that.
That would be wild.
That game is.
That team that made that gameis some of the nicest people
I've met in the gaming industry.

Speaker 2 (02:20:11):
That's good because the stories are fucked up.
It's good to know.
When you really dig deep.
That's some of the YouTube deepdives I've gone into.
Is Ready or Not?
Lore, that stuff is deep.

Speaker 1 (02:20:22):
Yeah, man, and it's realistic.

Speaker 2 (02:20:24):
They've built a really crazy world.

Speaker 1 (02:20:26):
Very realistic character.
Yeah, it's a great game, crazygame.

Speaker 3 (02:20:31):
That is our game.
Game.

Speaker 2 (02:20:33):
Game game.

Speaker 3 (02:20:34):
Josh, you won both of them.
So kudos to you, thank you, andI thought Phil had a good shot
at this, so I felt like that wasa pretty even keel game.
But yeah, that's a fun way forus to kind of wrap up a
invigorating conversation aboutall types of fandoms and the
highs and the lows of everythingthat you do.
But I got to say, josh, likejust seeing the work that you do

(02:20:55):
, the effort, we are big fans.
We're so excited to have hadyou on and this is a great
opportunity for all of ourlisteners to learn about any of
the projects you can talk about.
I know some are still, you know, kind of in development and you
still have some to announce,but I know there's been a lot
happening for you recently.
So if you want to take anopportunity just to shout out

(02:21:17):
any projects that are coming uphere in the near future or later
on in the year that you want toshout out, this is your chance
to do so, and we'll make sure tohave all of your socials and
everything in the show notes aswell, appreciate that brother.

Speaker 1 (02:21:29):
Everything in the show notes as well.
Appreciate that, brother.
You know I'm not, I'm always,um, I'm always never, I'm never,
like, good at talking aboutmyself when it comes to work.
But, um, the stuff that I cantalk about, if anybody hasn't
watched it, it's on Amazon primeand crunchy roll.
My dear friend no Catan, it's12 episodes.
It's a comedy series.
I was being very serious when Iwas like, yeah, it's like an

(02:21:50):
SNL skit put into an anime.
It's you turn your brain off,you have fun.
It's 12 episodes and you'lllaugh and it's the cast and I
had a real good time doing it.
And, you know, I think it wouldmean a lot to the cast, to, you
know, to see a lot of peoplewatch it.
So, the reception that we'vegotten at cons and just on the

(02:22:12):
internet too, and just seeingthe memes, the memes are wild,
um, it's really cool.
But, um, yeah, my dear friendnokatan, um, just recently, uh,
my friend sarav, uh, he is thecreator of the first Indian
anime called Trio, and he justannounced some stuff about it at

(02:22:35):
Kolkata Comic Con across theworld and was able to announce
the cast and that's being inproduction right now.
Myself and some other stars,some great voice actors in that
as well.
Some of the notables are AdamMacArthur Adam MacArthur, I hope

(02:22:55):
I said that right voicesItadori from Jujutsu Kaisen and
then Marissa Duran, who is alsoone of the leads in Hell's
Paradise they were able to be apart of it and some other voice
actors too on that team.
It's just really cool to be apart of it, and some other voice
actors too on that team.
It's just really cool to be apart of that.
Fun fact, saurav and I wereclose to each other.

(02:23:17):
We both live in the Floridaarea, so it was really kind of
like fate for us to meet andthat's how we started that off.
So it's pretty cool.
Dislight is a mobile game I playas I voice, as Fushi in that.
Funny enough, I've had somepeople come up to me at cons and
say, like you're Fushi inDislight and I'm like yo, wait,

(02:23:40):
oh my gosh, yo a Dislight fan.
So that's a game that I'm inand just a good amount of other
stuff too that I can't talkabout.
A and uh, just a good amount ofother stuff too, um, that I
can't talk about.
A lot of the projects, a lot ofthe indie projects kind of like
, kind of like conjure uptogether and I just like it's
not that I forget about them,it's just like there's so much

(02:24:01):
and then it kind of likecoincides with the, uh, the
full-time work that I do fornarration and such.
So I guess another one is theback rooms, lost tapes and then
a few other, uh, horror games,uh, that I don't think I can
talk about.
So there's a good amount uhthat I'll be posting on my
social soon, uh, but again NDAstink.

(02:24:22):
So yeah, man.

Speaker 3 (02:24:26):
And I know Phil uh, I could speak for both of us.
This was fantastic to have youon, josh.
Like really, really appreciatedit Enthusiasm that you had from
the show bringing it on here.
You know, getting on late atnight with us to record, to play
some games, to talk some popculture and beyond we covered a
lot of fandoms.

Speaker 2 (02:24:46):
We did we just really really appreciate it and, Phil,
definitely definitely timeworth having here yeah, josh,
thank you so much for joining ushere tonight, and you know,
once again, when we linked up atBrixley Anime Festival, we had
an idea that not only you butyour entire cast were people
that we could vibe with, andyourself, and also Rue, have

(02:25:07):
just been so gracious with yourtime in terms of giving me
advice, as I've started my ownvoice acting journey, so I
apologize, I will be jumpinginto your DMs quite a bit, just
like you said you did once upona time.
Can't wait to see you atconventions throughout Florida
here within the next few monthsas well.
So I had an absolute blast.

(02:25:27):
So, thank you, we'll be rootingfor you and continuing to
monitor.
You know what's next on yourend.
So, with that being said,audience, if you want to keep up
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We're really excited to do thatfor them shows, movies and

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That is my co-host, philipFilipino and our guest of honor,

(02:27:34):
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