November 12, 2025 • 32 mins
We take a frank look at The Roses, a sharp, dark-tinged romance that turns a dream house into a proxy war for pride, ambition, and resentment. Chemistry carries the story, while tone shifts, pacing, and a volatile finale spark debate about how far the satire should go.
• Modern reimagining of War of the Roses
• Lead performances that mix bite with vulnerability
• Dark comedy balanced with uneasy dinner-party tension
• Ambition vs failure as the marriage’s pressure point
• Supporting cast adding levity and occasional whiplash
• Pacing concerns in the third act escalation
Letterbox'd Synopsis: Life seems easy for picture-perfect couple Ivy and Theo: successful careers, a loving marriage, great kids. But beneath the façade of their supposed ideal life, a storm is brewing – as Theo’s career nosedives while Ivy’s own ambitions take off, a tinderbox of fierce competition and hidden resentment ignites.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:12):
This is the Wait For It Podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (00:16):
Hey everyone, welcome back to the Wait For It
Podcast.
I am your co-host Phil Barrera,aka Phil the Filipino.
SPEAKER_03 (00:21):
And I'm your other co-host, Mr.
Eric Almighty, and we are herefor International Feature to
talk about a movie in 2025 thatI saw a lot of.
There was a lot of marketing, alot of advertisements, but it
wasn't really on my radar towatch.
Phil did see it and told me Ihad to check it out.
So here we are, we're gonna betalking about the roses.
SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
Yeah, it pops up on a lot of creators' lists as one
of their favorites of the year.
You know that me specifically,and then also Eric on his weird
Aaron Brokovich kick.
You know, we we're very muchfans of the rom-com, and we kept
hearing, I kept hearing thisisn't your traditional romantic
comedy, and that certainly isthe case with 2025's The Roses.
(01:04):
So we have gone to the well interms of like newer movies a
couple times when it comes tolate to the party, uh, like um
what past lives, when it allkicked off with like parasite
films like that.
So if you're new to the podcast,make sure you stick around until
the very end, and we'll let youknow where you can find all the
rest of our content.
But let's jump into uh the rosesand the synopsis, uh, directed
(01:28):
by Jay Roach.
The tagline is This marriageain't big enough for the both of
them.
Life seems easy for pictureperfect couple Ivy and Theo,
successful careers, a lovingmarriage, great kids, but
beneath the facade of theirsupposed ideal life, a storm is
brewing.
As Theo's career nosedives whileIvy's own ambitions take off, a
(01:49):
tinderbox of fierce competitionand hidden resentment ignites.
Uh, the two stars of this movieare Olivia Coleman and Benedict
Cumberbatch, two people thatwe've seen quite a bit
separately, and uh when theythey have a pretty electric
chemistry that we'll talk abouthere in just a moment, uh,
because that's gonna be actuallymy first takeaway when we talk
(02:11):
about this film.
But uh, Eric, I do want toaddress before we I get to that
takeaway, something we verylightly discussed before
starting.
I had no idea.
This was a reimagining of a 1989film called The War of the
Roses.
It was actually directed byDanny DeVito, and it stars
Michael Douglas and KathleenTurner, and I believe Sean Aston
(02:32):
is somewhere in this movie aswell.
Never heard of it, came out ayear after I was born, and I had
no idea that this was a uhessentially a reimagining remake
uh from a film that came outabout 35 years ago.
Did you have any idea either?
SPEAKER_03 (02:46):
So we were talking a little bit about this.
The War of the Roses is notsomething I ever really heard
about.
Obviously, I learned of it fromwatching this movie.
I mean, Michael Douglas, DannyDeVito, like I really wonder
what that movie looks like.
I didn't even look at thetrailer.
You said you did in the pre-showand it looked interesting.
(03:06):
We probably should have watchedit.
So if you're looking for like acompare contrast, unfortunately,
we're not gonna be able toprovide that.
But I will say maybe a precursorto how much we enjoyed this
movie.
I would say that based off ofthis one, I would be interested
in watching that one to see someof the differences, especially
if it has that same dynamic andnature to it, uh, as far as the
(03:28):
heart of the film.
SPEAKER_02 (03:29):
Yeah, the trailer definitely has a lot of the same
beats that the 2025 versiondoes.
Um, maybe a little bit moretowards like a kind of
thriller-esque approach in thefinale, which that definitely
does happen here.
I certainly want to talk aboutthe finale with you here in just
a moment.
But yeah, let's discuss my firsttakeaway, which is just the lead
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performances from Olivia Colemanand Benedict Cumberbatch.
They are very frequently praisedfor their chemistry, their sharp
delivery.
I'm so used to seeing BenedictCumberbatch as Doctor Strange.
It's so refreshing to see him ina role with some personality.
And then Olivia Coleman is apowerhouse all uh on her own.
So to have them together, um,they work so well for this
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material, and as far as thedialogue and their very like dry
sense of humor.
I mean, you see it right therein the opening scene when
they're in couples counseling.
And uh when when that scene cameup, I was like, okay, well, I
think we're in for somethingthat could be really, really
entertaining.
So definitely want to startthere.
Uh, Olivia Coleman, BenedictCumberbatch very much enjoyed
their performances.
SPEAKER_03 (04:36):
Yeah, and you know what?
The reason I like theirperformances goes into my first
point as well, which is the darkcomedy aspect of what you're
seeing in this rom-com.
There is, you know, we're gonnawe're gonna keep it pretty
spoiler-free for the most part.
I don't know.
We might we might open a spoilersection at the end, but because
this movie just came out thisyear, if you haven't seen it, we
want to give you a fresh pair ofeyes on it.
(04:58):
I do want to mention oneparticular scene that happens
towards the middle, maybetowards the middle end of the
film, which is everyone at thedinner table and a very
uncomfortable amount ofdialogue.
And it seems like it goes on fora little bit, it seems like it
goes on for quite a little bit,continuing to increase the
discomfort.
And you know what?
Like that honestly kind ofworked.
(05:19):
It kind of worked.
There were some people at thetable that were like, This is
fun, and there were some peoplethat were like, You guys talk to
each other this way, this isn'tnormal.
And there was like a lot of thatdark and and black comedy that
really worked for not only theirperformances but the overall
tone of the movie, and I thoughtit just added some fun elements,
(05:41):
if not extremely bleak andsometimes depressing.
But that's what you're gonna getout of a comedy like that when
it's using some of those serioustones and it's shoving them into
your face in a somewhat comedicbut sad manner.
Again, it's it's gonna be a hitor miss, which is why I'm also
not surprised that this moviewasn't exactly a big critical
(06:03):
hit.
Like, I definitely know that alot of people liked it.
When we talk about scores later,some lower sides than what
you're thinking, maybe based offof the way we're gonna, you
know, kind of praise this movie.
SPEAKER_02 (06:14):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
That was definitely gonna be oneof my takeaways as well.
So we'll kind of just merge intonumber two, like, yeah, the dark
satire, uh, meeting like thelike a uh like a relationship,
like drama.
Because like I said, this isn'ta rom-com.
They have a meet cute in thebeginning when they first meet.
And of course, as any coupledoes, you bang in a fridge or in
a in a uh in a freezer.
(06:36):
Uh so that's just how it happenswith most couples, you know.
So uh, but so there are thoseelements in there, but like I
think getting to thenitty-gritty of one spouse
failing while the other is verysuccessful, and how that dynamic
works out between them in termsof, you know, one just kind of
continuing to uh plummet whilethe other ascends kind of out of
(06:58):
nowhere due to unforeseencircumstances, like the same the
they both rise and fall becauseof a storm, right?
And it's just a reallyinteresting way to explore that
dynamic.
And yeah, and I think that couldbe a it's something I very much
enjoyed with the dark satire andthe dark humor, but also at some
points it felt like maybe theywere a little too afraid to push
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that a little bit further.
Like it could have gone way, waydarker than it already is, and I
think I would have enjoyedseeing kind of like what that
writing and that what thatdialogue could have looked like.
So maybe even though it is veryentertaining and I very much
enjoyed it, I think thereprobably could have been more
that they could have dove into.
And maybe that's one of thereasons why people were a little
(07:41):
split on, and it's because it'slike, okay, I see what you're
trying to do, like just go allin.
Just like just do it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:46):
Yeah, I can see that complaint.
I definitely have a couplecomplaints uh about the movie uh
in general, but I'm gonna leavethose for my third takeaway.
What I'm gonna bring to thetable for my second takeaway is
the marriage dynamic here andsome of the things, like there
were a lot of things that werevery real about what they were
going through.
I mean, we have one characterbuilt up and then torn down, and
(08:11):
in his, you know, in his or herstead, the other partner has to
start lifting up the family andstarting to do stuff on their
own and start to lift themselvesup, and you kind of lose each
other in that journey, right?
Where things aren't the way theyused to be.
Can they go back to the way theywere?
Do the each part, you know, doeseach party even want that to
(08:33):
happen?
There were a lot of like reallygenuine things that I know for a
fact exist in not only uh, youknow, a regular marriage, but
almost any marriage between twoindividuals who were living
their life together, who havekids who have these dynamics.
It was, I don't know, it wasdeep in that way, but I
(08:53):
understand where you're comingfrom and some of the other tones
that kind of came along with it.
They could have really delvedinto it, it could have also been
a lot darker.
I enjoyed to a point the kind oftheme they were going with and
the tone they were going withuntil we started kind of getting
into the third act, and I'llleave that as my third takeaway
(09:14):
for some of my criticisms,especially.
But especially early on, like Ienjoyed the fun, kind of
lighthearted banter that washappening, and even some of the
crude humor humor we're gettingearly on.
It did kind of escalate as we golater into the film.
Like I mentioned, that tablescene.
So I I enjoyed the escalation toa point when it came to some of
(09:35):
those themes and some of thathumor.
SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
Yeah, you know, when you're talking about humor, um,
it's just always so nice to seeAndy Sandberg in anything really
that he does.
I think he's perfect in like asupporting role in this.
Kate McKinnon also I thought wasvery, very good.
Um, and it was a really goodthey they were really good
alongside the the dark humor forMelivia Coleman and Benedict
(10:00):
Cumberbatch, and they theybrought in like the silly,
lighthearted stuff.
And I think that's probablywhere, as far as like tonal
shifts, like people are areseeing like a little bit of uh
like whiplash in terms of whatthis thing wants to be.
Like I said, a really darkcomedy, or like hey, it's really
silly.
Look, Kate McKinnon wants tobang Benedict Cumberbatch.
Like, oh, they have an openmarriage.
That's really, really funny.
Interestingly enough, like thisis the I just also watched
(10:22):
another movie about openmarriages, which was the one
with um what's her face?
Uh uh Splitzville.
Splitzville, yeah, because Ikept seeing stuff about
Splitzville.
It's like, let's check this outagain.
Rom coms, that's my alley.
And uh no, it just didn't hitthe uh did not hit the mark for
me.
And it and also as far as thatdinner scene, it's interesting
because there is a very similarscene.
(10:43):
Obviously, totally it's verydifferent in Blackbag, which is
another movie we kind of threwaround for this spot.
And that scene is probably theonly scene I really enjoyed in
Black Bag.
So we're seeing kind of likethis uncomfortable dinner uh
party aesthetic quite a bit.
SPEAKER_03 (10:59):
We really like dinner parties.
We should probably give you themenu a real shot.
SPEAKER_02 (11:02):
We should probably watch the menu again.
Yeah.
Sorry about that, everybody.
Well, we'll we'll we'll do thatprobably uh one day.
One day.
One day.
So um, yeah, my third takeawaymay lean into yours because it
does involve the third act, andI I do want to talk about the
finale, uh, which I very muchenjoyed.
So maybe this is where we'llleave a spoiler warning because
(11:23):
I do want to talk about whathappens in that final scene in
the house.
And this scene basically, theWar of the Wor Uh Roses version
is in the trailer, so you kindof get ideas of like where the
inspiration came from, andthey're not totally similar
because um just architecturally,it's gonna be very different.
I think architecturally, thedesign of this home is also very
(11:46):
important to the 2025 version ofthe movie, um, in terms of it
being this symbol of both oftheir successes, but also both
of their failures, right?
Like, this is the house healways wanted to build, but she
had to pay for it, right?
Like it wasn't it wasn'tnecessarily the way that he
thought it was going to be.
So I think that's a reallyimportant part of the film.
But yeah, when I I kind of I waslike at the edge of my seat
(12:09):
watching this finale when shewhen she when he has the epi pen
and like telling her to sign thepaperwork.
SPEAKER_01 (12:17):
I'm like, is this how this is gonna end?
Is he gonna murder his wife?
Is he gonna murder the vehicle?
SPEAKER_02 (12:24):
Isn't it like all that?
Uh like I was really, reallygripped by that, but again,
because throughout the entirething, it's like it had never
all of the stuff, it was likeall talk.
You know, there's a scene withthe lawyers, too.
That would that that seemsreally funny as well.
But like it had been all kind oftalk and let's talk through our
(12:45):
lawyers, and then it's like, oh,we're we're shifting very
differently into one of us isgonna die for this house and
it's not gonna be me.
And while it was veryentertaining, and like I said, I
was on the edge of my seat, itwas like that was at the point
where I was like, Man, thiscould have been a totally
different movie if they justcommitted to the tone that they
wanted.
And it seems like the War of theRoses does that pretty
(13:06):
consistently from beginning toend.
So we're gonna have to watchthat movie at some point and
compare and contrast.
Maybe it won't be a full-onepisode, maybe it'll be like a
stream or a bonus episode orsomething like that.
Because I do want to watch theoriginal, um, because
cinematography-wise, the waythat the War of the Roses is
shot, it also has that like1980s darker aesthetic.
So maybe that's why it works alittle bit better and juxtaposed
(13:26):
against this very futuristichousehold.
Maybe that's why it was also uha little jarring for how dark
they wanted to play it.
But yeah, definitely enjoyed thefinale, and like I said, as far
as just having a good time, butagain, it was like leaving me
like, man, they could have couldhave had a little bit more of
this earlier on.
SPEAKER_03 (13:45):
Yeah, and and I think uh the spoiler warning is
a good call here, because again,we're talking about some finale
stuff, and it's it's a littleeasier to get into when it comes
to it.
I enjoyed the film overall.
I definitely uh deduct a lot ofpoints going into the end here,
and here's really the onlyreason why film.
It feels like the escalationfrom you know, this isn't
(14:07):
working.
You know, or to I would say thisthe escalation to it isn't
working, takes a long time.
Like when it happens finally,just the discussion of like, I
don't think, you know, with thewhale and saving the the the
whale on the beach and and theepiphany that he has, right?
That took a long time.
(14:27):
Like for a film that's only anhour, it's a hundred and a
hundred minutes, 60 plus wasspent on like this like
build-up, right?
So there's not a lot of time inthis space, and then we don't
spend a lot of time in thatspace before things get Mr.
and Mrs.
Smith levels of fucking crazy,you know, as far as them trying
(14:48):
to kill each other.
I just thought it was it wasbadly paced at the end when it
came to the escalations, italmost felt a little too
comical.
So I mentioned that tone earlierworked for me for a lot of the
film and the themes and whatthey were going for.
It almost felt over the top alittle bit by the end.
And then another nitpick I hadthat I wanted to get to, Phil.
(15:12):
So I think Kate McKinnon andAndy Sandberg like overstayed
their welcome.
What I'm saying with that islike it just wasn't it was one
of those things where it wasn'tas effective the longer the
movie went on.
Like it was really funny atfirst, but it almost felt a
little bit like an SNL skit kindof got and I know I know they're
the cast members, right?
(15:32):
Like, I know that's an easycritique to make, right?
But it really did feel like atsome point it was like a SNL
skit attached to the movie, likethey had their little bit that
was going on, and I don't know,it just didn't really work for
me.
So this movie unfolds in a lotof different ways, but some
aren't very creative, in myopinion, some are a little bit
(15:54):
head scratching, in my opinion,and rushed, in my opinion.
So that's kind of where I landedon a couple of critiques when we
get to the end.
Without exactly diving intoevery single nitpick, I had a
lot of the things that I thoughtmaybe negatively of this movie
happens pretty much after thatfirst hour from a payoff
(16:15):
perspective.
SPEAKER_02 (16:17):
Yeah, I get that.
I I think for me as somebody whojust really enjoys that Andy
Sandberg shtick, that's probablywhy it didn't have the same
effect on me.
But yeah, I certainly understandthat.
But yeah, overall, uh again,very much enjoyed my time with
this, liked it a lot more than Ithought it would, um, especially
(16:38):
as I'm, you know, starting tofill out my 2025 list, which is
going to come down to the wirefor me this year.
I have been I have beenslacking.
So uh all of those things uhdefinitely understand when it
comes to uh you know, notnecessarily like misses, but uh
again, just things that we wouldhave liked to see in terms of
(17:00):
committing to one thing oranother, and then maybe cutting
out, like cutting out some ofthe Andy Sandbrook stuff and
giving us more of the build-up,you know, like more of how this
relationship is affecting likethe children.
Like we'd even like discuss thekids.
I thought it was kind of funny.
They were like, and I think alot of parents have that, like
whenever their parents split upand you know that they hate each
other, and they're like, ohgreat, fantastic that that
sounds fantastic.
(17:20):
Yeah, we'll see.
We gotta go.
We're we're here at camp, likedoing our own thing.
And good thing they weren'tthere when the house blew up.
So that's also a good thing aswell.
So uh when it comes to the city.
Do we know that the house blewup?
I think it's probably up forinterpretation.
So I'd like to see again the Warof the Roses to see if something
similar happens in that, too.
So, and one of the reviews fromone of the content creators that
(17:43):
I follow, uh, who I mention alot, Amanda the Jedi, her review
is yeah, that's probably how ithad to go down.
So it's almost like again, itwas uh it was heading towards
that.
Uh, Cameron Kozak, you probablyhave seen him as well, Eric.
He said, incredible breakdown ofBenedict Cumberbatch and Olivia
Coleman fucking shit up.
So lots of uh lots of fun stuffthere.
So I I think with a lot of thewith his failure being very
(18:08):
public, that also lends itself alot to what happens here too.
So like it's not like 30 yearsago when you know his failure
would have only reached peoplewho like read that in the
newspaper or just heard about itsecond or third hand, you know,
it being like uh this viralmoment on on TikTok and
Instagram, I thought, was wasreally uh really enhanced his
(18:29):
kind of like descent intomadness and fall from grace as
well.
So yeah, all stuff that we youknow that I that I certainly
enjoyed.
But uh anything else you want tomention, Eric, before we get to
scores and uh how this movie wasreceived or has been received
here in 2025.
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
Yeah, I I'll just read a couple of random
letterbox reviews that kind ofcaught my eye that gave me a
laugh.
So this movie is essentiallymarriage story for horny people
who like to get high and betoxic towards one's uh one
another.
Everyone was on the samefrequency.
Uh freak with a K.
Yeah.
Uh that's very clever.
Somebody had mentioned the factthat this this movie was clearly
(19:06):
shot in the UK, but it'ssupposed to be set, I guess, in
Northern California.
So that was interesting.
This movie does borderline oninternational feature, in my
opinion.
Like it clearly has someinternational flair to it in
both locations, even though theydon't utilize it, and in humor.
But I would say this is one ofour most borderline like
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sneak-ins of internationalfeature, which is definitely on
us.
There was also someone that saiduh a movie for people that have
been in a relationship for along time and literally no one
else, uh, which I thought Ithought was pr fairly funny
because again, we're gonna talkabout scores here in a minute
and reception, and I think thatmight have had to do something
(19:47):
to it.
Like, again, I personally thinksomebody who's been in a
marriage for a long time wouldprobably not only relate, but
like the therapy scene wherethey're like shitting on each
other and then laughing aboutit.
There is something like realabout that.
There is something about likelaughing at the torture of the
pain.
It's sad, also hilarious, butsad.
(20:10):
Um, someone else also said weneed to shut everything down
until we figure out what to dowith Kate McKinnon.
I'm telling you, it's that's notthe only comment here.
I don't think a lot of peoplelike Kate McKinnon in this
movie, so yeah.
I think it just uh is more forthe Ellen right now.
Somebody what somebody said.
SPEAKER_02 (20:28):
It is a that is just a Saturday Night Live character.
Whereas as Andy Sandberg, I feellike is being more of a
character that it could be abuddy, like could be a friend,
you know.
But K McKinnon is playing just aSaturday Night Live sketch
character.
SPEAKER_03 (20:42):
Yeah, maybe that's why I felt that way overall.
Yeah, Mr.
and Mrs.
Smith for English people.
So again, uh a lot of a lot of alot of very similar comments
that uh one of them was English.
SPEAKER_02 (20:53):
Isn't Angelina what is Angelina Jolie in that movie?
I don't know what Angelina Jolieis.
SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
You made that up.
SPEAKER_02 (20:58):
What?
unknown (20:59):
I don't think.
SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
I mean she's not English, but she has an accent.
I mean, you know, foreign.
SPEAKER_03 (21:06):
Phil, that's crazy.
I'm gonna let you get to theRotten Tomato scores whenever
you're ready.
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
Whatever.
She's I'm not not pullingpunches with Angelina Jolie in
2025.
SPEAKER_03 (21:16):
Let's get to the scores here.
Also, before you actually getinto that, Angela Angelina Jolie
is Dutch, French, a littleGerman, little Slavic.
Yeah, English.
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Isaid anything.
I'm sorry, I even I'm sorry Ieven looked it up.
SPEAKER_02 (21:34):
IMDB, a 6.8 out of 10 rating, and over on
Letterboxd, it holds a 3.5.
I ended up giving this a 4, uh,mostly because I was just so
enamored by the chemistrybetween Olivia Coleman and
Benedict Cumberbatch.
I was very, very much into uhagain everything that was going
on relationship-wise, where thestock for one of them is going
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up while the other goes down isvery, very entertaining to me.
And uh yeah, also makes me wantto watch the original with uh as
much Danny DeVito as possible.
So yeah, four to five for me.
And uh well, we'll get torankings in a second because
I'll tell you where it ranks onmy 2025 list as well.
SPEAKER_03 (22:13):
Yeah, and I really enjoyed the movie.
I I had a lot of fun with it.
I think our two leads are reallygreat together.
I think that that uh again, thatdark satire, that uh that crude
black comedy works, you know,like it definitely is, you know,
it's definitely a lot of fun.
But at the end of the day, themovie did kind of lack a little
(22:33):
bit there at the end.
Uh, it didn't exactly land forme, but I I really debated
whether or not I was gonna givethis a three and be extremely
harsh, or just admit that I hada good time and give it a three
and a half.
I ultimately fell on the side togive it a three and a half
because I did have a good timewith it.
If it was on, I would activelyfind myself watching particular
(22:54):
scenes, laughing, finding itentertaining, connecting with it
in some way or another.
So I gave it a three and a half.
I enjoyed it.
I wonder how my score would beaffected after seeing the
original, and I am curious ifthat's what happened with a lot
of other people that leftreviews.
Uh, and Phil, that's kind ofwhere I sat on this one.
Not a bad choice to uh, youknow, to fit here in the month
(23:16):
of November.
SPEAKER_02 (23:17):
Yeah, and and at one point, like I did think like, am
I giving this too high of arating?
But like 53,000 people, 28% ofthe voters or the people that
have rated this movie gave it afour, and then the other high
one is 26% at 3.5.
So I do think it sits somewherewell between the three and a
half and a four.
I just gave it that bump becauseI just enjoyed the performances
so much.
I'm gonna not touch this GoogleChrome browser at all.
(23:40):
I'm just gonna look at my phonehere going forward.
Uh, the behind-the-scenes stuffis going crazy here tonight for
this episode, so uh you guyswill never see it because of
editing magic.
Uh, but yeah, let's get to wherethis ranks in terms of
international features here,Eric.
Uh, we are up to now 38 movies.
We're heading to 40 pretty soonhere when it comes to
international features.
(24:01):
So again, because of its score,I gave it a four out of five.
Uh, it does rank 17.
Um, is it ahead of films such asWolf Children and Perfect Days,
but still behind uh movies likeOld Boy and Oakra.
Yeah, and where does it land foryour 2025 movies?
2025.
It is, I mean, again, I haven'tseen as many movies as you or my
sister, but I did change it fromlike my initial review before I
(24:23):
did have it ahead of Superman,which I was like, how did that
happen?
Uh so it is number eight behindSuperman and in front of
Companion.
Because I have since bumpedSuperman to a four.
I don't know if I've told youthat.
SPEAKER_03 (24:33):
No, you have you have not, which is uh yeah, I'm
looking at your list now.
It has definitely changed.
Uh, you're actually much closerthan you think.
You've watched 26 films.
I've watched 28.
Oh, okay.
I've got a couple more on thedockets.
SPEAKER_02 (24:46):
I somehow, for some reason, added Splitzville to
that uh yesterday.
SPEAKER_03 (24:50):
So yeah, well, well, you've added, you know, uh, I've
only seen 69% of the nice.
I've only seen 69% of the uhmovies.
Uh out of the movies you'veseen, not to get too distracted,
the naked gun, I'll be checkingout.
I haven't seen that yet.
It's all good.
You saw the Looney Tunes one?
You you might talk me into thatone.
Black Bag, don't think I'm gonnawatch that.
(25:13):
The Gorge, no, Death of aUnicorn.
I remember we were excited, andthen Splitsville and uh the
materialist get the fuck out ofhere.
So no, as far as where the roseslanded for me on international
feature, it's a little bit lowerbecause of its score.
It's a three and a half for me,so it's actually listed at 27
out of my list.
It's right below films likeTokyo Godfathers and the girl
(25:36):
who lived through time, andabove films like Perfect Days
and Bell.
I think I had more fun with theroses, so I gave it that little
rub, but it is on the lower endof three and a half I've given
for international feature films.
In 2025, I have this movie hereranked below the Demon Slayer
movie.
(25:56):
Uh it's my last three and a halfthat I have, but above three,
which the first three I havehere is the Thunderbolts movie.
So I have this movie in, and Idon't know why I don't have an
order number.
Why why does it not show thenumbers?
SPEAKER_02 (26:12):
You have to mark the list as ranked.
SPEAKER_03 (26:16):
What the fuck does that mean?
SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Well, I'm afraid to hit letterboxed on my computer.
Hold on.
SPEAKER_03 (26:21):
No, that's fine.
Hold on.
SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
So when you go to edit or delete this list.
I see it.
I see it.
Yeah.
You have to dupe ranked a list.
Come on, don't be a rookie.
SPEAKER_03 (26:32):
Anyway, wow, that's why the fuck is that a feature?
Why the fuck do I have to dothat?
SPEAKER_02 (26:38):
Well, some people don't rank, some people don't
rank movies, they just putlists.
They're crazy people.
SPEAKER_03 (26:42):
You're fucking insane.
Uh so all that to say, it'sranked above Thunderbolts, right
under the Demon Slayer movie.
It's at 16 for me for 2025.
SPEAKER_02 (26:52):
Yeah, we're gonna have to do some heavy lifting
here in these last two months.
Uh 24 movies for me, 22 for you.
Hey, we got this, man.
We got this.
SPEAKER_03 (27:02):
Again, I mentioned a couple of yours that I want to
see, which I think I cancasually watch.
I'm gonna watch weapons,probably.
SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
Yeah, I gotta figure out I gotta I gotta just balls
up and watch weapons because Iwant to see it.
And I have my website.
I know when the jumps happen.
So exactly.
I want to check it out.
SPEAKER_03 (27:16):
Weapons is there.
I've got a couple more predatorlands is coming out.
Uh by the time this episode isreleased, I will.
SPEAKER_02 (27:21):
I'll just see that.
And uh Predator, Killer ofKillers.
We can add that.
SPEAKER_03 (27:25):
Killer of Killers.
Oh shit.
I need to probably watch thatthis week, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (27:29):
Hmm.
We got Zootopia.
Oh, yeah.
Zootopia will be an easy ad.
There's something else, right?
SPEAKER_03 (27:36):
I'll be seeing uh, well, Wicked.
SPEAKER_02 (27:38):
Oh.
SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
For good.
I'll also be seeing the fivenights at the Five Nights at
Freddy's movie, uh, the sequel.
Um not because I want to be.
That's already out.
Didn't the last one come outlast year?
Like a year or two ago, yeah.
It was pretty quick.
Pumping these bitches out, huh?
But yeah, this uh December.
So yeah.
I've got at least I'm definitelyI think I can get to 40
(28:00):
comfortably.
50 is a task.
50's gonna be a task this year.
SPEAKER_02 (28:04):
Yeah, I want to see.
I keep seeing, I don't is this abaseball movie or have you seen
I keep seeing stuff about ifus.
But I'm not 100% sure what it'sabout.
SPEAKER_03 (28:15):
Never heard that in my life.
SPEAKER_02 (28:17):
Really?
It's in a lot of like top five,top ten lists.
Efus?
How do you spell that?
E-E P H U S.
The Formula One movie might bean easy, an easy one.
SPEAKER_03 (28:30):
What the fuck is this?
SPEAKER_02 (28:31):
I don't know.
I just told you.
I just I just see it on a lot oflists.
SPEAKER_03 (28:38):
As an imminent construction project looms over
their beloved small townbaseball field, a pair of New
England's Sunday league teamsface off for the last time over
the course of a day.
SPEAKER_02 (28:55):
That's a that that is a hey Arnold episode.
SPEAKER_03 (29:01):
I mean, it's only an hour and a half.
I'll let you watch that one.
SPEAKER_02 (29:04):
We also have oh, I still I also want to watch One
of Them Days, which is a moviethat came out in January.
Um it's the movie with KikiPalmer and Sciza that's been on
Netflix for a while.
I'm gonna check that out.
We'll see if I watch thePhoenician scheme.
And then there's that Arco filmthat we that we pinned last
week.
SPEAKER_03 (29:21):
Oh, yeah, and then uh Park Park Chan Wuk.
Did I make that name?
SPEAKER_02 (29:26):
Yeah, the one that comes out in December on on
Christmas Day.
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (29:30):
So But yeah, we got a lot of movies to look forward
to.
Glad we added the roses to thatlist.
SPEAKER_02 (29:36):
Yeah, the roses was a good time.
So if you checked it out, or youmay have missed it, because
again, even though it had like alot of marketing, uh, you know,
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This is the Wait for It Podcast.
This is the Wait For It Podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (00:16):
Hey everyone, welcome back to the Wait For It
Podcast.
I am your co-host Phil Barrera,aka Phil the Filipino.
SPEAKER_03 (00:21):
And I'm your other co-host, Mr.
Eric Almighty, and we are herefor International Feature to
talk about a movie in 2025 thatI saw a lot of.
There was a lot of marketing, alot of advertisements, but it
wasn't really on my radar towatch.
Phil did see it and told me Ihad to check it out.
So here we are, we're gonna betalking about the roses.
SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
Yeah, it pops up on a lot of creators' lists as one
of their favorites of the year.
You know that me specifically,and then also Eric on his weird
Aaron Brokovich kick.
You know, we we're very muchfans of the rom-com, and we kept
hearing, I kept hearing thisisn't your traditional romantic
comedy, and that certainly isthe case with 2025's The Roses.
(01:04):
So we have gone to the well interms of like newer movies a
couple times when it comes tolate to the party, uh, like um
what past lives, when it allkicked off with like parasite
films like that.
So if you're new to the podcast,make sure you stick around until
the very end, and we'll let youknow where you can find all the
rest of our content.
But let's jump into uh the rosesand the synopsis, uh, directed
(01:28):
by Jay Roach.
The tagline is This marriageain't big enough for the both of
them.
Life seems easy for pictureperfect couple Ivy and Theo,
successful careers, a lovingmarriage, great kids, but
beneath the facade of theirsupposed ideal life, a storm is
brewing.
As Theo's career nosedives whileIvy's own ambitions take off, a
(01:49):
tinderbox of fierce competitionand hidden resentment ignites.
Uh, the two stars of this movieare Olivia Coleman and Benedict
Cumberbatch, two people thatwe've seen quite a bit
separately, and uh when theythey have a pretty electric
chemistry that we'll talk abouthere in just a moment, uh,
because that's gonna be actuallymy first takeaway when we talk
(02:11):
about this film.
But uh, Eric, I do want toaddress before we I get to that
takeaway, something we verylightly discussed before
starting.
I had no idea.
This was a reimagining of a 1989film called The War of the
Roses.
It was actually directed byDanny DeVito, and it stars
Michael Douglas and KathleenTurner, and I believe Sean Aston
(02:32):
is somewhere in this movie aswell.
Never heard of it, came out ayear after I was born, and I had
no idea that this was a uhessentially a reimagining remake
uh from a film that came outabout 35 years ago.
Did you have any idea either?
SPEAKER_03 (02:46):
So we were talking a little bit about this.
The War of the Roses is notsomething I ever really heard
about.
Obviously, I learned of it fromwatching this movie.
I mean, Michael Douglas, DannyDeVito, like I really wonder
what that movie looks like.
I didn't even look at thetrailer.
You said you did in the pre-showand it looked interesting.
(03:06):
We probably should have watchedit.
So if you're looking for like acompare contrast, unfortunately,
we're not gonna be able toprovide that.
But I will say maybe a precursorto how much we enjoyed this
movie.
I would say that based off ofthis one, I would be interested
in watching that one to see someof the differences, especially
if it has that same dynamic andnature to it, uh, as far as the
(03:28):
heart of the film.
SPEAKER_02 (03:29):
Yeah, the trailer definitely has a lot of the same
beats that the 2025 versiondoes.
Um, maybe a little bit moretowards like a kind of
thriller-esque approach in thefinale, which that definitely
does happen here.
I certainly want to talk aboutthe finale with you here in just
a moment.
But yeah, let's discuss my firsttakeaway, which is just the lead
(03:52):
performances from Olivia Colemanand Benedict Cumberbatch.
They are very frequently praisedfor their chemistry, their sharp
delivery.
I'm so used to seeing BenedictCumberbatch as Doctor Strange.
It's so refreshing to see him ina role with some personality.
And then Olivia Coleman is apowerhouse all uh on her own.
So to have them together, um,they work so well for this
(04:15):
material, and as far as thedialogue and their very like dry
sense of humor.
I mean, you see it right therein the opening scene when
they're in couples counseling.
And uh when when that scene cameup, I was like, okay, well, I
think we're in for somethingthat could be really, really
entertaining.
So definitely want to startthere.
Uh, Olivia Coleman, BenedictCumberbatch very much enjoyed
their performances.
SPEAKER_03 (04:36):
Yeah, and you know what?
The reason I like theirperformances goes into my first
point as well, which is the darkcomedy aspect of what you're
seeing in this rom-com.
There is, you know, we're gonnawe're gonna keep it pretty
spoiler-free for the most part.
I don't know.
We might we might open a spoilersection at the end, but because
this movie just came out thisyear, if you haven't seen it, we
want to give you a fresh pair ofeyes on it.
(04:58):
I do want to mention oneparticular scene that happens
towards the middle, maybetowards the middle end of the
film, which is everyone at thedinner table and a very
uncomfortable amount ofdialogue.
And it seems like it goes on fora little bit, it seems like it
goes on for quite a little bit,continuing to increase the
discomfort.
And you know what?
Like that honestly kind ofworked.
(05:19):
It kind of worked.
There were some people at thetable that were like, This is
fun, and there were some peoplethat were like, You guys talk to
each other this way, this isn'tnormal.
And there was like a lot of thatdark and and black comedy that
really worked for not only theirperformances but the overall
tone of the movie, and I thoughtit just added some fun elements,
(05:41):
if not extremely bleak andsometimes depressing.
But that's what you're gonna getout of a comedy like that when
it's using some of those serioustones and it's shoving them into
your face in a somewhat comedicbut sad manner.
Again, it's it's gonna be a hitor miss, which is why I'm also
not surprised that this moviewasn't exactly a big critical
(06:03):
hit.
Like, I definitely know that alot of people liked it.
When we talk about scores later,some lower sides than what
you're thinking, maybe based offof the way we're gonna, you
know, kind of praise this movie.
SPEAKER_02 (06:14):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
That was definitely gonna be oneof my takeaways as well.
So we'll kind of just merge intonumber two, like, yeah, the dark
satire, uh, meeting like thelike a uh like a relationship,
like drama.
Because like I said, this isn'ta rom-com.
They have a meet cute in thebeginning when they first meet.
And of course, as any coupledoes, you bang in a fridge or in
a in a uh in a freezer.
(06:36):
Uh so that's just how it happenswith most couples, you know.
So uh, but so there are thoseelements in there, but like I
think getting to thenitty-gritty of one spouse
failing while the other is verysuccessful, and how that dynamic
works out between them in termsof, you know, one just kind of
continuing to uh plummet whilethe other ascends kind of out of
(06:58):
nowhere due to unforeseencircumstances, like the same the
they both rise and fall becauseof a storm, right?
And it's just a reallyinteresting way to explore that
dynamic.
And yeah, and I think that couldbe a it's something I very much
enjoyed with the dark satire andthe dark humor, but also at some
points it felt like maybe theywere a little too afraid to push
(07:20):
that a little bit further.
Like it could have gone way, waydarker than it already is, and I
think I would have enjoyedseeing kind of like what that
writing and that what thatdialogue could have looked like.
So maybe even though it is veryentertaining and I very much
enjoyed it, I think thereprobably could have been more
that they could have dove into.
And maybe that's one of thereasons why people were a little
(07:41):
split on, and it's because it'slike, okay, I see what you're
trying to do, like just go allin.
Just like just do it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:46):
Yeah, I can see that complaint.
I definitely have a couplecomplaints uh about the movie uh
in general, but I'm gonna leavethose for my third takeaway.
What I'm gonna bring to thetable for my second takeaway is
the marriage dynamic here andsome of the things, like there
were a lot of things that werevery real about what they were
going through.
I mean, we have one characterbuilt up and then torn down, and
(08:11):
in his, you know, in his or herstead, the other partner has to
start lifting up the family andstarting to do stuff on their
own and start to lift themselvesup, and you kind of lose each
other in that journey, right?
Where things aren't the way theyused to be.
Can they go back to the way theywere?
Do the each part, you know, doeseach party even want that to
(08:33):
happen?
There were a lot of like reallygenuine things that I know for a
fact exist in not only uh, youknow, a regular marriage, but
almost any marriage between twoindividuals who were living
their life together, who havekids who have these dynamics.
It was, I don't know, it wasdeep in that way, but I
(08:53):
understand where you're comingfrom and some of the other tones
that kind of came along with it.
They could have really delvedinto it, it could have also been
a lot darker.
I enjoyed to a point the kind oftheme they were going with and
the tone they were going withuntil we started kind of getting
into the third act, and I'llleave that as my third takeaway
(09:14):
for some of my criticisms,especially.
But especially early on, like Ienjoyed the fun, kind of
lighthearted banter that washappening, and even some of the
crude humor humor we're gettingearly on.
It did kind of escalate as we golater into the film.
Like I mentioned, that tablescene.
So I I enjoyed the escalation toa point when it came to some of
(09:35):
those themes and some of thathumor.
SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
Yeah, you know, when you're talking about humor, um,
it's just always so nice to seeAndy Sandberg in anything really
that he does.
I think he's perfect in like asupporting role in this.
Kate McKinnon also I thought wasvery, very good.
Um, and it was a really goodthey they were really good
alongside the the dark humor forMelivia Coleman and Benedict
(10:00):
Cumberbatch, and they theybrought in like the silly,
lighthearted stuff.
And I think that's probablywhere, as far as like tonal
shifts, like people are areseeing like a little bit of uh
like whiplash in terms of whatthis thing wants to be.
Like I said, a really darkcomedy, or like hey, it's really
silly.
Look, Kate McKinnon wants tobang Benedict Cumberbatch.
Like, oh, they have an openmarriage.
That's really, really funny.
Interestingly enough, like thisis the I just also watched
(10:22):
another movie about openmarriages, which was the one
with um what's her face?
Uh uh Splitzville.
Splitzville, yeah, because Ikept seeing stuff about
Splitzville.
It's like, let's check this outagain.
Rom coms, that's my alley.
And uh no, it just didn't hitthe uh did not hit the mark for
me.
And it and also as far as thatdinner scene, it's interesting
because there is a very similarscene.
(10:43):
Obviously, totally it's verydifferent in Blackbag, which is
another movie we kind of threwaround for this spot.
And that scene is probably theonly scene I really enjoyed in
Black Bag.
So we're seeing kind of likethis uncomfortable dinner uh
party aesthetic quite a bit.
SPEAKER_03 (10:59):
We really like dinner parties.
We should probably give you themenu a real shot.
SPEAKER_02 (11:02):
We should probably watch the menu again.
Yeah.
Sorry about that, everybody.
Well, we'll we'll we'll do thatprobably uh one day.
One day.
One day.
So um, yeah, my third takeawaymay lean into yours because it
does involve the third act, andI I do want to talk about the
finale, uh, which I very muchenjoyed.
So maybe this is where we'llleave a spoiler warning because
(11:23):
I do want to talk about whathappens in that final scene in
the house.
And this scene basically, theWar of the Wor Uh Roses version
is in the trailer, so you kindof get ideas of like where the
inspiration came from, andthey're not totally similar
because um just architecturally,it's gonna be very different.
I think architecturally, thedesign of this home is also very
(11:46):
important to the 2025 version ofthe movie, um, in terms of it
being this symbol of both oftheir successes, but also both
of their failures, right?
Like, this is the house healways wanted to build, but she
had to pay for it, right?
Like it wasn't it wasn'tnecessarily the way that he
thought it was going to be.
So I think that's a reallyimportant part of the film.
But yeah, when I I kind of I waslike at the edge of my seat
(12:09):
watching this finale when shewhen she when he has the epi pen
and like telling her to sign thepaperwork.
SPEAKER_01 (12:17):
I'm like, is this how this is gonna end?
Is he gonna murder his wife?
Is he gonna murder the vehicle?
SPEAKER_02 (12:24):
Isn't it like all that?
Uh like I was really, reallygripped by that, but again,
because throughout the entirething, it's like it had never
all of the stuff, it was likeall talk.
You know, there's a scene withthe lawyers, too.
That would that that seemsreally funny as well.
But like it had been all kind oftalk and let's talk through our
(12:45):
lawyers, and then it's like, oh,we're we're shifting very
differently into one of us isgonna die for this house and
it's not gonna be me.
And while it was veryentertaining, and like I said, I
was on the edge of my seat, itwas like that was at the point
where I was like, Man, thiscould have been a totally
different movie if they justcommitted to the tone that they
wanted.
And it seems like the War of theRoses does that pretty
(13:06):
consistently from beginning toend.
So we're gonna have to watchthat movie at some point and
compare and contrast.
Maybe it won't be a full-onepisode, maybe it'll be like a
stream or a bonus episode orsomething like that.
Because I do want to watch theoriginal, um, because
cinematography-wise, the waythat the War of the Roses is
shot, it also has that like1980s darker aesthetic.
So maybe that's why it works alittle bit better and juxtaposed
(13:26):
against this very futuristichousehold.
Maybe that's why it was also uha little jarring for how dark
they wanted to play it.
But yeah, definitely enjoyed thefinale, and like I said, as far
as just having a good time, butagain, it was like leaving me
like, man, they could have couldhave had a little bit more of
this earlier on.
SPEAKER_03 (13:45):
Yeah, and and I think uh the spoiler warning is
a good call here, because again,we're talking about some finale
stuff, and it's it's a littleeasier to get into when it comes
to it.
I enjoyed the film overall.
I definitely uh deduct a lot ofpoints going into the end here,
and here's really the onlyreason why film.
It feels like the escalationfrom you know, this isn't
(14:07):
working.
You know, or to I would say thisthe escalation to it isn't
working, takes a long time.
Like when it happens finally,just the discussion of like, I
don't think, you know, with thewhale and saving the the the
whale on the beach and and theepiphany that he has, right?
That took a long time.
(14:27):
Like for a film that's only anhour, it's a hundred and a
hundred minutes, 60 plus wasspent on like this like
build-up, right?
So there's not a lot of time inthis space, and then we don't
spend a lot of time in thatspace before things get Mr.
and Mrs.
Smith levels of fucking crazy,you know, as far as them trying
(14:48):
to kill each other.
I just thought it was it wasbadly paced at the end when it
came to the escalations, italmost felt a little too
comical.
So I mentioned that tone earlierworked for me for a lot of the
film and the themes and whatthey were going for.
It almost felt over the top alittle bit by the end.
And then another nitpick I hadthat I wanted to get to, Phil.
(15:12):
So I think Kate McKinnon andAndy Sandberg like overstayed
their welcome.
What I'm saying with that islike it just wasn't it was one
of those things where it wasn'tas effective the longer the
movie went on.
Like it was really funny atfirst, but it almost felt a
little bit like an SNL skit kindof got and I know I know they're
the cast members, right?
(15:32):
Like, I know that's an easycritique to make, right?
But it really did feel like atsome point it was like a SNL
skit attached to the movie, likethey had their little bit that
was going on, and I don't know,it just didn't really work for
me.
So this movie unfolds in a lotof different ways, but some
aren't very creative, in myopinion, some are a little bit
(15:54):
head scratching, in my opinion,and rushed, in my opinion.
So that's kind of where I landedon a couple of critiques when we
get to the end.
Without exactly diving intoevery single nitpick, I had a
lot of the things that I thoughtmaybe negatively of this movie
happens pretty much after thatfirst hour from a payoff
(16:15):
perspective.
SPEAKER_02 (16:17):
Yeah, I get that.
I I think for me as somebody whojust really enjoys that Andy
Sandberg shtick, that's probablywhy it didn't have the same
effect on me.
But yeah, I certainly understandthat.
But yeah, overall, uh again,very much enjoyed my time with
this, liked it a lot more than Ithought it would, um, especially
(16:38):
as I'm, you know, starting tofill out my 2025 list, which is
going to come down to the wirefor me this year.
I have been I have beenslacking.
So uh all of those things uhdefinitely understand when it
comes to uh you know, notnecessarily like misses, but uh
again, just things that we wouldhave liked to see in terms of
(17:00):
committing to one thing oranother, and then maybe cutting
out, like cutting out some ofthe Andy Sandbrook stuff and
giving us more of the build-up,you know, like more of how this
relationship is affecting likethe children.
Like we'd even like discuss thekids.
I thought it was kind of funny.
They were like, and I think alot of parents have that, like
whenever their parents split upand you know that they hate each
other, and they're like, ohgreat, fantastic that that
sounds fantastic.
(17:20):
Yeah, we'll see.
We gotta go.
We're we're here at camp, likedoing our own thing.
And good thing they weren'tthere when the house blew up.
So that's also a good thing aswell.
So uh when it comes to the city.
Do we know that the house blewup?
I think it's probably up forinterpretation.
So I'd like to see again the Warof the Roses to see if something
similar happens in that, too.
So, and one of the reviews fromone of the content creators that
(17:43):
I follow, uh, who I mention alot, Amanda the Jedi, her review
is yeah, that's probably how ithad to go down.
So it's almost like again, itwas uh it was heading towards
that.
Uh, Cameron Kozak, you probablyhave seen him as well, Eric.
He said, incredible breakdown ofBenedict Cumberbatch and Olivia
Coleman fucking shit up.
So lots of uh lots of fun stuffthere.
So I I think with a lot of thewith his failure being very
(18:08):
public, that also lends itself alot to what happens here too.
So like it's not like 30 yearsago when you know his failure
would have only reached peoplewho like read that in the
newspaper or just heard about itsecond or third hand, you know,
it being like uh this viralmoment on on TikTok and
Instagram, I thought, was wasreally uh really enhanced his
(18:29):
kind of like descent intomadness and fall from grace as
well.
So yeah, all stuff that we youknow that I that I certainly
enjoyed.
But uh anything else you want tomention, Eric, before we get to
scores and uh how this movie wasreceived or has been received
here in 2025.
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
Yeah, I I'll just read a couple of random
letterbox reviews that kind ofcaught my eye that gave me a
laugh.
So this movie is essentiallymarriage story for horny people
who like to get high and betoxic towards one's uh one
another.
Everyone was on the samefrequency.
Uh freak with a K.
Yeah.
Uh that's very clever.
Somebody had mentioned the factthat this this movie was clearly
(19:06):
shot in the UK, but it'ssupposed to be set, I guess, in
Northern California.
So that was interesting.
This movie does borderline oninternational feature, in my
opinion.
Like it clearly has someinternational flair to it in
both locations, even though theydon't utilize it, and in humor.
But I would say this is one ofour most borderline like
(19:27):
sneak-ins of internationalfeature, which is definitely on
us.
There was also someone that saiduh a movie for people that have
been in a relationship for along time and literally no one
else, uh, which I thought Ithought was pr fairly funny
because again, we're gonna talkabout scores here in a minute
and reception, and I think thatmight have had to do something
(19:47):
to it.
Like, again, I personally thinksomebody who's been in a
marriage for a long time wouldprobably not only relate, but
like the therapy scene wherethey're like shitting on each
other and then laughing aboutit.
There is something like realabout that.
There is something about likelaughing at the torture of the
pain.
It's sad, also hilarious, butsad.
(20:10):
Um, someone else also said weneed to shut everything down
until we figure out what to dowith Kate McKinnon.
I'm telling you, it's that's notthe only comment here.
I don't think a lot of peoplelike Kate McKinnon in this
movie, so yeah.
I think it just uh is more forthe Ellen right now.
Somebody what somebody said.
SPEAKER_02 (20:28):
It is a that is just a Saturday Night Live character.
Whereas as Andy Sandberg, I feellike is being more of a
character that it could be abuddy, like could be a friend,
you know.
But K McKinnon is playing just aSaturday Night Live sketch
character.
SPEAKER_03 (20:42):
Yeah, maybe that's why I felt that way overall.
Yeah, Mr.
and Mrs.
Smith for English people.
So again, uh a lot of a lot of alot of very similar comments
that uh one of them was English.
SPEAKER_02 (20:53):
Isn't Angelina what is Angelina Jolie in that movie?
I don't know what Angelina Jolieis.
SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
You made that up.
SPEAKER_02 (20:58):
What?
unknown (20:59):
I don't think.
SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
I mean she's not English, but she has an accent.
I mean, you know, foreign.
SPEAKER_03 (21:06):
Phil, that's crazy.
I'm gonna let you get to theRotten Tomato scores whenever
you're ready.
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
Whatever.
She's I'm not not pullingpunches with Angelina Jolie in
2025.
SPEAKER_03 (21:16):
Let's get to the scores here.
Also, before you actually getinto that, Angela Angelina Jolie
is Dutch, French, a littleGerman, little Slavic.
Yeah, English.
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Isaid anything.
I'm sorry, I even I'm sorry Ieven looked it up.
SPEAKER_02 (21:34):
IMDB, a 6.8 out of 10 rating, and over on
Letterboxd, it holds a 3.5.
I ended up giving this a 4, uh,mostly because I was just so
enamored by the chemistrybetween Olivia Coleman and
Benedict Cumberbatch.
I was very, very much into uhagain everything that was going
on relationship-wise, where thestock for one of them is going
(21:56):
up while the other goes down isvery, very entertaining to me.
And uh yeah, also makes me wantto watch the original with uh as
much Danny DeVito as possible.
So yeah, four to five for me.
And uh well, we'll get torankings in a second because
I'll tell you where it ranks onmy 2025 list as well.
SPEAKER_03 (22:13):
Yeah, and I really enjoyed the movie.
I I had a lot of fun with it.
I think our two leads are reallygreat together.
I think that that uh again, thatdark satire, that uh that crude
black comedy works, you know,like it definitely is, you know,
it's definitely a lot of fun.
But at the end of the day, themovie did kind of lack a little
(22:33):
bit there at the end.
Uh, it didn't exactly land forme, but I I really debated
whether or not I was gonna givethis a three and be extremely
harsh, or just admit that I hada good time and give it a three
and a half.
I ultimately fell on the side togive it a three and a half
because I did have a good timewith it.
If it was on, I would activelyfind myself watching particular
(22:54):
scenes, laughing, finding itentertaining, connecting with it
in some way or another.
So I gave it a three and a half.
I enjoyed it.
I wonder how my score would beaffected after seeing the
original, and I am curious ifthat's what happened with a lot
of other people that leftreviews.
Uh, and Phil, that's kind ofwhere I sat on this one.
Not a bad choice to uh, youknow, to fit here in the month
(23:16):
of November.
SPEAKER_02 (23:17):
Yeah, and and at one point, like I did think like, am
I giving this too high of arating?
But like 53,000 people, 28% ofthe voters or the people that
have rated this movie gave it afour, and then the other high
one is 26% at 3.5.
So I do think it sits somewherewell between the three and a
half and a four.
I just gave it that bump becauseI just enjoyed the performances
so much.
I'm gonna not touch this GoogleChrome browser at all.
(23:40):
I'm just gonna look at my phonehere going forward.
Uh, the behind-the-scenes stuffis going crazy here tonight for
this episode, so uh you guyswill never see it because of
editing magic.
Uh, but yeah, let's get to wherethis ranks in terms of
international features here,Eric.
Uh, we are up to now 38 movies.
We're heading to 40 pretty soonhere when it comes to
international features.
(24:01):
So again, because of its score,I gave it a four out of five.
Uh, it does rank 17.
Um, is it ahead of films such asWolf Children and Perfect Days,
but still behind uh movies likeOld Boy and Oakra.
Yeah, and where does it land foryour 2025 movies?
2025.
It is, I mean, again, I haven'tseen as many movies as you or my
sister, but I did change it fromlike my initial review before I
(24:23):
did have it ahead of Superman,which I was like, how did that
happen?
Uh so it is number eight behindSuperman and in front of
Companion.
Because I have since bumpedSuperman to a four.
I don't know if I've told youthat.
SPEAKER_03 (24:33):
No, you have you have not, which is uh yeah, I'm
looking at your list now.
It has definitely changed.
Uh, you're actually much closerthan you think.
You've watched 26 films.
I've watched 28.
Oh, okay.
I've got a couple more on thedockets.
SPEAKER_02 (24:46):
I somehow, for some reason, added Splitzville to
that uh yesterday.
SPEAKER_03 (24:50):
So yeah, well, well, you've added, you know, uh, I've
only seen 69% of the nice.
I've only seen 69% of the uhmovies.
Uh out of the movies you'veseen, not to get too distracted,
the naked gun, I'll be checkingout.
I haven't seen that yet.
It's all good.
You saw the Looney Tunes one?
You you might talk me into thatone.
Black Bag, don't think I'm gonnawatch that.
(25:13):
The Gorge, no, Death of aUnicorn.
I remember we were excited, andthen Splitsville and uh the
materialist get the fuck out ofhere.
So no, as far as where the roseslanded for me on international
feature, it's a little bit lowerbecause of its score.
It's a three and a half for me,so it's actually listed at 27
out of my list.
It's right below films likeTokyo Godfathers and the girl
(25:36):
who lived through time, andabove films like Perfect Days
and Bell.
I think I had more fun with theroses, so I gave it that little
rub, but it is on the lower endof three and a half I've given
for international feature films.
In 2025, I have this movie hereranked below the Demon Slayer
movie.
(25:56):
Uh it's my last three and a halfthat I have, but above three,
which the first three I havehere is the Thunderbolts movie.
So I have this movie in, and Idon't know why I don't have an
order number.
Why why does it not show thenumbers?
SPEAKER_02 (26:12):
You have to mark the list as ranked.
SPEAKER_03 (26:16):
What the fuck does that mean?
SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Well, I'm afraid to hit letterboxed on my computer.
Hold on.
SPEAKER_03 (26:21):
No, that's fine.
Hold on.
SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
So when you go to edit or delete this list.
I see it.
I see it.
Yeah.
You have to dupe ranked a list.
Come on, don't be a rookie.
SPEAKER_03 (26:32):
Anyway, wow, that's why the fuck is that a feature?
Why the fuck do I have to dothat?
SPEAKER_02 (26:38):
Well, some people don't rank, some people don't
rank movies, they just putlists.
They're crazy people.
SPEAKER_03 (26:42):
You're fucking insane.
Uh so all that to say, it'sranked above Thunderbolts, right
under the Demon Slayer movie.
It's at 16 for me for 2025.
SPEAKER_02 (26:52):
Yeah, we're gonna have to do some heavy lifting
here in these last two months.
Uh 24 movies for me, 22 for you.
Hey, we got this, man.
We got this.
SPEAKER_03 (27:02):
Again, I mentioned a couple of yours that I want to
see, which I think I cancasually watch.
I'm gonna watch weapons,probably.
SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
Yeah, I gotta figure out I gotta I gotta just balls
up and watch weapons because Iwant to see it.
And I have my website.
I know when the jumps happen.
So exactly.
I want to check it out.
SPEAKER_03 (27:16):
Weapons is there.
I've got a couple more predatorlands is coming out.
Uh by the time this episode isreleased, I will.
SPEAKER_02 (27:21):
I'll just see that.
And uh Predator, Killer ofKillers.
We can add that.
SPEAKER_03 (27:25):
Killer of Killers.
Oh shit.
I need to probably watch thatthis week, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (27:29):
Hmm.
We got Zootopia.
Oh, yeah.
Zootopia will be an easy ad.
There's something else, right?
SPEAKER_03 (27:36):
I'll be seeing uh, well, Wicked.
SPEAKER_02 (27:38):
Oh.
SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
For good.
I'll also be seeing the fivenights at the Five Nights at
Freddy's movie, uh, the sequel.
Um not because I want to be.
That's already out.
Didn't the last one come outlast year?
Like a year or two ago, yeah.
It was pretty quick.
Pumping these bitches out, huh?
But yeah, this uh December.
So yeah.
I've got at least I'm definitelyI think I can get to 40
(28:00):
comfortably.
50 is a task.
50's gonna be a task this year.
SPEAKER_02 (28:04):
Yeah, I want to see.
I keep seeing, I don't is this abaseball movie or have you seen
I keep seeing stuff about ifus.
But I'm not 100% sure what it'sabout.
SPEAKER_03 (28:15):
Never heard that in my life.
SPEAKER_02 (28:17):
Really?
It's in a lot of like top five,top ten lists.
Efus?
How do you spell that?
E-E P H U S.
The Formula One movie might bean easy, an easy one.
SPEAKER_03 (28:30):
What the fuck is this?
SPEAKER_02 (28:31):
I don't know.
I just told you.
I just I just see it on a lot oflists.
SPEAKER_03 (28:38):
As an imminent construction project looms over
their beloved small townbaseball field, a pair of New
England's Sunday league teamsface off for the last time over
the course of a day.
SPEAKER_02 (28:55):
That's a that that is a hey Arnold episode.
SPEAKER_03 (29:01):
I mean, it's only an hour and a half.
I'll let you watch that one.
SPEAKER_02 (29:04):
We also have oh, I still I also want to watch One
of Them Days, which is a moviethat came out in January.
Um it's the movie with KikiPalmer and Sciza that's been on
Netflix for a while.
I'm gonna check that out.
We'll see if I watch thePhoenician scheme.
And then there's that Arco filmthat we that we pinned last
week.
SPEAKER_03 (29:21):
Oh, yeah, and then uh Park Park Chan Wuk.
Did I make that name?
SPEAKER_02 (29:26):
Yeah, the one that comes out in December on on
Christmas Day.
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (29:30):
So But yeah, we got a lot of movies to look forward
to.
Glad we added the roses to thatlist.
SPEAKER_02 (29:36):
Yeah, the roses was a good time.
So if you checked it out, or youmay have missed it, because
again, even though it had like alot of marketing, uh, you know,
a lot of people statisticallydid not appear to see it.
So if you check it out,definitely let us know how you
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(30:19):
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