June 4, 2025 • 39 mins
Perfect Blue, Satoshi Kon's 1997 directorial debut, stands as one of the most influential and psychologically complex anime films ever created, still inspiring filmmakers today with its disturbing yet masterful narrative about identity and fame. The film's ability to blur the lines between reality and delusion creates a viewing experience that continues to haunt viewers days after watching, making it a timeless psychological thriller despite being over 25 years old.
• Released in 1997, Perfect Blue was Satoshi Kon's directorial debut and first feature film
• The film's animation holds up remarkably well despite limitations with current digital copies
• Narrative intentionally blurs lines between reality and delusion, creating a disorienting viewing experience
• Explores timely themes about toxic fandom, stalking, and the dark side of the entertainment industry
• Heavily influenced filmmakers like Darren Aronofsky (Black Swan, Requiem for a Dream)
• Runtime of only 81 minutes, but feels longer due to its intense, layered storytelling
• Rewards multiple viewings as the complex narrative reveals more layers on rewatch
Letterbox'd Synopsis: Encouraged by her managers, rising pop star Mima takes on a recurring role on a popular TV show, when suddenly her handlers and collaborators begin turning up murdered.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Mr Eric Almighty and Phil the Filipino.
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This is the Wait For it Podcast.
Hey, everyone, welcome back tothe Wait For it Podcast.
(00:37):
I am your co-host, phil Barrera, aka Phil the Filipino.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And I'm your other co-host, mr Eric Almighty, and
for this edition of Late to theParty, we decided to jump into
an anime film that is not onlyregarded as one of the greatest
anime films of all time, but oneof the films that is actually
inspiring other films that aremade even today.
So, without further ado, we arehere to talk about Perfect Blue
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.
So, without further ado, we arehere to talk about Perfect Blue
.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, we are back into the Satoshi Kon filmography
after talking about TokyoGodfathers back in December,
which was just a very, verywell-liked movie by both of us
as well as a bunch of ouraudiences.
You know people were prettyhappy that we had checked this
out and it's a film that I thinkover time it's finding more and
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more people, and Perfect Blueis Satoshi Kon's first film
which I did not know going intoit, and it is another one that
people you know as far as youknow, major anime heads will
bring up this movie and, as youmentioned, eric, it is
incredibly influential when itcomes to just cinema now, and I
actually learned a few thingsabout this movie when I was
hanging out with our buddy Coreyalso a patron, a wait watcher
(01:54):
just yesterday in St Augustine,because I told him we were
preparing to record this episode, and I've learned some stuff
about this movie that I did notknow before.
So we are going to dive intothis thing here, eric.
And one thing I will say, justto get this out of the way,
because it is a little bit of acliche I rhymed like three words
in a row.
I don't believe that was reallytrue.
Bars, three out of five.
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We say this a lot, especiallyme, where I say a film sits with
you like for a long time, andI'm roughly a week removed from
watching this and I'm stillthinking about it.
Is that a good thing or a badthing?
We'll unpack that here.
So appreciate y'all forchecking us out.
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If you are a first time listeneror a long time listener and you
need a reminder as far as towhere to find the rest of our
content, stick around.
We'll let you know where youcan find everything you need, as
well as how to get someadditional perks if you're
interested in those.
But let's get to the synopsishere from Letterboxd Perfect
Blue, released in 1997, onceagain directed by Satoshi Kon.
Encouraged by her managers,rising pop star Mima takes on a
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recurring role on a popular TVshow when suddenly her handlers
and collaborators begin turningup murdered.
So, eric, what did you knowabout Perfect Blue?
Leading into this, of course welooked at Satoshi Kon's
filmography after we very muchenjoyed our time with Tokyo
Godfathers we have circledPaprika and Millennium, actress,
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paranoia, agent All of thesefilms we've kind of circled like
diving into more of his films.
Why did you feel like now was agood time to dive into Perfect
Blue for us.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So the thing with Perfect Blue was number one.
It was an option for ourPatreon month.
Somebody did recommend this,while we didn't go with it.
This was a nice theme for Bulmaat Suri, which is happening
here Juneune in jacksonville.
We're going to be there, as wehave been for the last five
years, so finding a top tieranime film that we could cover
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that we haven't seen was reallyimportant for late to the party
specifically and that's where itdiffers from international
feature, where we might coverfilms that are a little bit
lesser known even if they'reanime this one is one that is
talked about in so many circles.
If you were to ask somebody whatis your favorite or what is one
of the best anime films you'veever seen, perfect blue is
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brought up in so manyconversations.
Where I heard of it first waswhen I watched black swan and in
the year that that moviereleased there were a lot of
comparisons to Perfect Blue andI remember saying like, oh, that
is, that's super interesting,but never exploring it.
And I think we learned the hardway, phil, with Satoshi Kon,
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like looking at his filmography.
Those are all projects I'veheard of, I've been aware of,
but I just never took the diveinto any of them, and we started
with Tokyo Godfathers, now withPerfect Blue.
I'm really glad that we did.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, we're finding how ahead of his time Satoshi
Kon was as well.
You know, when we talk aboutTokyo Godfathers and having a
transgender character featuredso prominently, and then now
with what we've seen here inthis, you know, it just really
enforces the thought thatSatoshi Kon was taken from us
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far too soon and it's really sadthat he's not still around to
innovate and craft stories suchas this.
And I will say this as wellbefore we get started, because I
will probably talk aboutspoilers a little bit later.
We do want to give a little bitof a trigger warning here.
There are some very, verygraphic scenes and topics that
are in this film.
We won't go into full detailwith them here, but if any of
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those things are triggering foryou, I just want to let you guys
know that here right out of thegate.
So one thing, eric, that youknow that we have and me
specifically has very muchstruggled with when it comes to
some of these older films,especially anime.
So, like when we're talkingabout how I felt about Akira and
then, obviously, how I feltabout some of the Ghibli films,
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animation always is brought up.
It's the first thing that youcertainly reference when you're
talking about anime and thisfilm here's what I learned,
here's the fact that I learnedfrom Corey the other day is all
digital copies of this film.
Apparently and I might get someof this wrong, so correct me if
I'm wrong for those of you thatare listening, the original
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digital copies of this film wereall lost in a fire.
So every single copy of thisfilm that is now uploaded to
like digital where we watched itnow is a VHS copy.
So it's never been upscaled orlike remastered.
This is what the film lookedlike when it released on VHS
back in the 90s and thatcertainly kind of plays.
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You know, comes through whenyou watch the film.
It is a little rough around theedges.
Comes through when you watchthe film.
It is a little rough around theedges, but that didn't bother
me here, especially because someof the themes of this film made
it very apparent that some ofthose animation choices were
very intentional.
So we have to start there, ofcourse, when we're talking about
anime and we're talking about afilm that is so iconic,
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animation-wise.
Eric, where did you land?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's timeless, like it's just.
I know we said that TokyoGodfather had like elements of
being timeless, but when youwatch this, it's not just the
animation, it's the choice ofvisuals.
Obviously, there's a lot ofblurring of reality, so from a
story perspective, I thinkthat's where it can get a little
bit more tricky.
Visually, there is no argumentLike it is visually stunning.
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Even now, in 2025, it wasexciting for us to be able to
see a movie that is this old,hold up against the test of time
.
When there are so many films,phil, that we've watched where
we've been like you know, thatmovie showed its age, that movie
didn't really age well, andthis one, at least in the
animation realm, I don't thinkit's an argument at all that can
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be made Objectively.
This movie is stunning.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I agree, I definitely agree.
And just to transition to likestory, this thing was absolutely
fucking nuts.
And when I thought I had anidea or a grasp of what was
going on, like in the beginning,you're like oh, it's pretty
straightforward.
It's a girl who, you know,wants to be more than just an
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idol, which, of course, overthere in that culture is like a
huge deal.
It's still a very much a hugedeal.
We see people like that now whomake that transition from her,
making that transition from, youknow, k-pop to now being in
Hollywood, and it was like, okay, that seems pretty
straightforward.
And then you add in the stalkerelement and it was just such a
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eye-opening story because somany of these things, even
though this film what 1997?
So it's like 30 years old,older than that, I can't do math
, it's an older film All thosethemes are still so relevant
here today and when you thinkthat you have this movie figured
out, you do not.
And there were so many of thosetwists and turns.
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I've never seen black swan, soI didn't have anything to
reference.
So trying to navigate and get agrasp as to what was happening
in this was a wild ride that Ienjoy is a strong word because
it is so dark and heavy andthere's so many crazy twists and
turns and obviously it it'svery graphic, like we alluded to
(09:24):
.
But I enjoyed my time with this, from beginning until end and
then, upon watching, you knowdoing a little bit of a YouTube
deep dive.
I cannot wait to watch it again.
I will give it some timebecause of those heavy themes,
but it's something that I willrevisit eventually and would
also like to revisit with peoplewho have never seen the film
before.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, that's where it was tough for me, because it
was like I clearly would want toshow this to the right person
and I would sit down and do likea watch party, be an
uncomfortable watch party, maybenot a watch party.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I don't know if I want to eat a charcuterie board
right before we sit down andwatch.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I'm just saying that.
I don't know that I'd want tobe with just one person, though,
so I feel like it's a lose-losescenario I'm going to turn on
the red LED lights up here andjust stare at somebody and see
if they react the same way thatI do.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know, when you show someone a movie, you're
like all right, they're going tolaugh in three, two, they
didn't laugh.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, and that's where it's tough because, like
as a film, I can absolutely seehow this movie can be
recommended to other people, butI could also understand people
not liking it for certain things, like when we talk about the
themes and some of thetriggering stuff.
Like this movie is I don't knowthat you would say over
sexualized, because I think Idon't know that that was the
intention, but you know, there'sa lot of nudity, there's a lot
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of themes that are verytriggering, as we mentioned
earlier, a lot of sexual themesthat are explored.
So it's definitely a moviethat's not for everyone, but a
movie that I would go out of myway to tell people to watch,
which makes sense because thepeople that we've heard this
from have done just that.
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Like they've said, this is anall-time classic and I don't
know, phil, it's something aboutthis movie that's been the way
it's talked about.
It's just a different levelthan how other movies have been
talked about and for this beingSatoshi Kon's directorial debut,
by the way, also insane.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's crazy.
You know how, like when you seeI can't think of anybody off the
top of my head right now, butlike someone makes their
directorial debut and it'ssomething, just a million
different layers of crazy andmessed up You're like what was
going on in that person's head,like where did you come up with
this idea?
And again, a lot of the themesin here and a lot of what's
happening isn't necessarilyoriginal, but it is done so well
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and, and you know the obviouslythe intent is to make you
uncomfortable.
So, yeah, this isn't somethingyou watch with your family.
You don't sit down, pop somepopcorn, invite, invite your
family over and watch this.
But in terms of, I think, whereit sits, as you were kind of
alluding to Eric, in terms of Ithink where it sits, as you were
kind of alluding to Eric, interms of, like, cinematic
history, both on the animatedand on animated side, uh, it, it
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holds its place very, very well.
What other themes and whatother things did you want to
point out as far as um positivesfor this film?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.
So when it, when it's blurringthe lines of reality, uh, you
know that from a story element,I think upon first watch is hard
to fully digest.
I know I enjoyed it and I neverfelt lost, but I also say that,
knowing that I got lost in thefilm and that was its intention,
like the movie specifically, isblurring those lines and making
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you not fully understand whatis going on.
It's just the way the movieexecutes that.
That whole concept, I think, isjust done really well.
I'm very curious, upon a rewatch, what that will look like for
me.
Will my score go up?
Will my score go down?
I'm more leaning up and Iwatched this movie in sub
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because that was the only optionon amazon to rent it.
I'd be very curious to see whatthe dub for this was, because I
think I have heard pretty goodthings about the dub, even for
its time.
I know those older animes.
Some of them are hard to listento compared to today's work.
But I got to say like that wasprobably my favorite aspect of
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it was just the constant bendand weave throughout what was
real and what wasn't.
Those were probably theelements that were most gripping
to me and how I digest thatupon a second watch is going to
be really key for me.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
There's something really satisfying about when
things click for a movie that isintentionally trying to kind of
confuse you and lead you down apath you think you're going and
then completely swerve you.
There's something so satisfyingabout that when it is done
correctly, like so many movies.
Like you see these thingscoming from a mile away and I
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thought, like I said, I thoughtthis was relatively cut and dry
oh, it's this person.
Obviously, obviously, thisperson is who is behind all of
this.
And then we find out whathappens.
You're like that's insane.
And then, when you think backand look at it, you're like,
yeah, that totally makes sense.
You start to connect those dotsand put everything together and
then, like you said, like Isaid, this is one of those
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movies where we're always bigproponents.
Eric and I of you shouldn't haveto watch a YouTube video to
understand a movie, but this issomething that made me
immediately go watch more aboutit and learn about what I maybe
didn't understand because Idon't have the trained eye for
it and you know people talkingabout the cinematography and the
use of, like the color red andthe misdirects and all of that.
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So it is something that I, likeI said, I will certainly watch
again.
I did see I don't know that Iwould watch it in dub just
because now I've seen it, likemy score is what it is and I
felt so strongly about it, so Idon't know that I would go back
and watch the dub.
But I did see some clips onsome of those YouTube deep dives
that I did and yeah, it didn'tlook too bad.
(15:02):
But yeah, man, it is a wildride.
I don't know really how else tokind of explain this without
going into spoilers, which we'lldo in a moment.
But it's boy, it's crazy.
Has Stefan watched this?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
No, it is on his watch list, though, so he will
watch it soon and because welike it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He will hate it.
He's going to be like it's notas good as Flo, but it was good.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Don't even fucking get started with me, but he did
give to be fair, he loves Black.
Swan.
He loves Black Swan.
I'm pretty sure he gave thatmovie a five.
So he's probably going to verymuch like Perfect Blue.
And the director for Black Swan,Darren Arnosky that's probably
right, there might be an F inthere, but he also did another
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movie called Requiem for a Dreamwhich was also apparently
highly inspired by that movieand he at one point was rumored
to be doing like a live actionPerfect Blue.
So for that director that kindof makes sense to kind of be
paying homage to this type ofwork.
But man, it just it's so toughto think that he's no longer.
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Satoshi Kon is no longer withus, was unable to do more than
what he did, but even what hedid do is like generational,
Like I'm very excited.
You know, we'll talk about,we'll keep it in line with
perfect blue and talk aboutspoilers in a moment, Cause this
movie is how old, Uh, 1997.
I definitely think that thereare so many of these that we
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probably all of them we're goingto end up watching on this
series.
Paprika, millennium actress,paranoia agent, Like I would say
those are probably Paranoia.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Agent's a show right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Paranoia Agent is a show.
Yeah, but those are his otherworks, from what I can see, that
are like highly, highly touted,so those will probably make
their way back.
But yeah, I think we do want totalk about the film a little
bit more in depth.
Do you want to go over scoresbefore we do that?
Again, this movie is almost 20years old, but maybe stick with
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that formula.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, let's do that because, again, if you have not
seen this, please, please, watchit.
Please do not stick around forthe spoiler discussion because
it will completely ruin themovie.
Please, please do that.
So let's go over scores.
As far as the Tomatometer score, I'm surprised it wasn't higher
(17:31):
.
I mean, it's still solid, butit is an 84% tomato meter score
and then an 89% popcorn meterscore, which is the user rating,
so I was surprised that was nothigher.
Over on Letterboxd, it doescarry a very, very high 4.4 as
far as its average with's see,we have 44 000 oh, hold on, let
me do this a little differently309 000, 39 of those reviews
being five out of fives, um,which is, uh, obviously very,
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very strong.
So, eric you alluded to itbefore we got started I gave
this a very high score.
As you can probably tell by theway that I'm talking about it,
I gave this a 4.5.
And it is we'll also talk aboutthis in a moment as far as all
of the late to the parties thatwe have watched, it is very
highly ranked for me and I could, probably I could see why you
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maybe would be concerned by howI would feel about this, just
based off of our experience withAkira and then Spirited Away.
This thing is timeless and whenwe I hate to reference this
because we didn't have really agood time but even though I gave
it like a pretty good scorewith Taxi Driver, it's a movie
that I understand, like why itsits where it does in terms of
cinema history, but I don't everwant to watch it again.
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And it's completely differentfor Perfect Blue, where I
wouldn't understand anybodygiving this a score lower to a
four, whereas Taxi Driver, assome people we know, you know,
stefan gave it a low score.
Other people now, especially in2025, are like this is what
people have been, you know,raving about.
I wouldn't understand ifanybody came away from this and
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being upset about the filmitself.
In terms of the movie, some ofthe themes, yes, I can
understand why you'd be upset,but the movie itself, I don't
know that you could give itlower than a four.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean, I can see it only from the standpoint
of what we kind of talked aboutwas some of those kind of
difficult scenes and some of thesexualized nature of the film,
Like were they all necessary allthe time?
I think a discussion can be hadwhen it comes to that.
It's also a disturbing film andthat's not always people's jam.
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But I think if you look at themovie through the lens of just
how it was made, the creativitythat went behind it, the story
and the way that that story istold, I think it's hard to also
not give this movie a four,which is why that's exactly what
I gave it and that's theranking that I give a movie when
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it's something that I wouldrecommend to the right person
and I would sit down and watchit with them, Like I would
actively show them that movieand even as difficult as the
themes are with this movie, Iwould still do that for the
right person.
And I think the other thing wedidn't mention is this movie is
a brisk hour 21.
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Like this movie.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And it seems longer.
It does it seems longer.
But I couldn't believe.
I was like oh, I'm at the end,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And I would have been totally cool with a little bit
more time and that's that's justlike again a movie that's
leaving you wanting more.
Very excited that that was thecase and that it wasn't a chore
to go through.
So very happy with that scorethat we have a director, another
director, because you know wetalked about Hosada and some of
(20:44):
his films that we've watched.
I think you just it's okay,you're not a Ghibli guy, that's
alright.
You've got other directors nowthat you can.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Corey did mention.
I wonder if there are Ghiblifilms that weren't directed by,
that are not Miyazaki films.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm glad you brought that up.
Okay, I'm glad you brought thatup because I'm going to be
watching Grave of the Firefliessooner than later.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I think that's the movie he mentioned.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yes, and if I like it , I'm going to put it for
international feature.
Okay, it's a movie thateverybody talks about, that's
seen it, but I feel like it'sstill pretty unknown unknown.
So I think internationalfeature would be a better fit
than late to the party.
But it could even go there too,like it's a movie that people
rave about and it is a Ghiblifilm, but not by Miyazaki but
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where is this in your late tothe party list?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
did you add it or did you forget again?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
you say again, like I normally forget you forgot,
forgot last month Did I, it waslast month.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh, it was last month Taxi Driver.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Because I wanted to forget that movie.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, perfect Blue.
On my list it is ranked eighth.
Okay, and it is ranked behindthe Shawshank Redemption and
above the Mitchells vs theMachines.
Which crazy, crazy sandwichthere of films.
But yeah, it's up there ateight and, honestly, upon
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rewatch, not only could I seemyself putting it higher on our
late to the party series list, Icould see that score going up
as well.
So that's where I landed.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Seventh for me, seventh sandwiched in between
klaus and the big sick.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
so yeah, you just there's a lot of context needed
before we say these type ofthings, you know it's gonna take
.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I can't imagine what it's gonna take to crack my top
five.
I know our top fives are arekind of similar because, like I
have goodfellas obviously one ofmy favorite movies of all time
interstellar, which isreachingellas, obviously one of
my favorite movies of all time,interstellar, which is reaching
the status of one of my favoritefilms of all time, chernobyl is
three Paddington two, which isa masterpiece, stefan and then
five is Shawshank Redemption,yeah, so yeah, no, that makes a
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lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
My top five right now sit at Chernobyl 1,
interstellar 2, pretty Woman 3.
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You do love Pretty Woman.
I fucking love Pretty Woman.
It's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Paddington 2 and then Top Gun Maverick.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I was going to say Top Gun Maverick could move
up.
I haven't.
It's so much fun I shouldprobably move that up.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, but I could see Perfect Blue cracking that for
sure.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Like I've got space to give after Paddington 2 for
that fifth spot.
It's love that we have twoPaddington faces staring at us
here.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Where do you have the first Paddington?
I have it at 12.
I have it at 14.
Okay, above Goodfellas, rightabove it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know, for Paddington it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, but yeah, so that is where we stood on it,
phil.
Uh, from a spoiler perspective,um, I'm not sure if phil will
even bother giving you thewarning because, again, this
movie is so old please also.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Please just leave.
Please, please just leave andcome back please we're gonna
talk spoilers and then we'lltalk.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Uh, we'll talk about would you rathers?
Uh, probably afterwards.
Uh, unless you want to do thatfirst.
But yeah, no, let's do.
Would you rathers first?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
probably afterwards uh, unless you want to do that
first.
But yeah, no, let's do, wouldyou rathers first?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
would you rather first, okay, yeah, so don't
leave quite yet, come back, comeback, hey, hey, hey, get back
here.
So let's go ahead and jump into.
Before spoilers, let's fit inthis activity.
Would you rather watch PerfectBlue or this movie?
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And I'm going to use bothIMDB's list and I'm going to
also use Letterboxd, since we'vehad a little bit of luck.
So would you rather watch thisPerfect Blue or Tokyo Godfathers
?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Perfect Blue.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Okay, I'm not going to ask about Akira don't, don't,
do that not worth it.
Would you rather watch perfectblue or your name?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
yeah, yeah, yeah, your name, we.
We just talked about how it'salso difficult to get through
perfect blue, even though it's afantastic film.
But your name at least I knowI'll be happy at the end.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
That one I just literally threw in for me.
Yeah, would you rather watchPerfect Blue or American Psycho?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Probably American Psycho yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, would you rather watch Perfect Blue or
Silence of the Lambs?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Oh God, we're getting into tough territory here.
That first Silence of the Lambsis so good.
I know I'm going to go.
Silence of the Lambs thatperformance from Anthony Hopkins
is chilling, it's so goodthough it's good, I do have to
ask this as an obligatoryquestion.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Would you rather watch Perfect Blue or the
Shining?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Pass.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You know God, would you rather watch Perfect Blue or
Joker?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Perfect Blue Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
The further we get away from joker.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Like you said, you don't feel great no, I, I do, uh
, I do agree.
Yeah, the rest of these phil.
This is like and this is whyI'm so shocked about your score
like I know, you're a big fan ofamerican psycho, but like this
is just not a genre that wetypically find ourselves in yeah
like did you watch shutterisland?
(26:27):
I did.
Would you rather watch perfectblue or shutter island?
probably just because I'm such aleo stan, I'd probably go
shutter island yeah yeah yeah,but a lot of these movies like I
can't imagine you've seen them.
I've seen a little bit morethan what I think you have, but
like.
So this is.
This is weird being on here.
Would you rather watch perfectblue or the first saw perfect?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
blue.
Okay, I guess maybepsychological torture wise like,
maybe, maybe, yeah, yeah, therethere are quite a few things
I'd watch before saw but yeah,so there you have it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That's the more like this.
Would you rather watch sectionof the episode?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
now is your spoiler warning now you should probably
probably leave.
It's great that Purple Blue ishis first movie and it is his
highest rated on Letterboxd.
Still, I think the lower scoreout of all these is a 3.9, which
is I think that Good Morning,yeah, good Morning.
These is a 3.9.
Yeah, which is I think thatGood Morning.
Yeah, good Morning.
And then also, whatever thisAni Curry is, I don't know what
(27:28):
this oh, it's a 15 one-minuteshorts, okay, so maybe he just
has a short on here and it's notall.
So, yeah, as far as his films,a 3.9, I think, is the lowest,
which is crazy.
But, yeah, spoilers.
So if you haven't seen themovie, please, if you feel like
those themes are not going to betoo much for you, definitely go
check out Perfect Blue.
But, yeah, eric, so I just wantto.
(27:50):
We'll start with, obviously,who we believe is running this
website.
Who is in charge of all of this?
I mean, did you think this wasgoing to be relatively cut and
dry?
Did you know?
Because you've watched blackswan, so, like you knew, you
know kind of like some of thesethemes going into it already.
So just walk me through your,your thought process here.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know there were.
There were a lot of things Iwas expecting, but you know one
thing I wasn't rape.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah no, no, no, no, no.
I'm so sorry I got to put thatclip in now.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
We need it for context.
Not funny, it is not funny, butthat clip is kind of just a
little bit.
I didn't expect that.
So that there was, yeah, therebeing a sexual assault scene.
No, it was a little bitunexpected.
But outside of that, like, likedid I expect much?
(28:44):
Like I knew once we were seeingthat this character was an idol
.
Because I have watched, uh, likea show like oshinoko, which
I've talked about before.
I really really like that show,uh, the first season, the first
episode, specifically, like Iactually I love that episode.
It's like a prologue of sorts,but it lets you kind of know,
(29:05):
like the darker side of the idolindustry in Japan and like just
in general, and because I camein knowing that I had a little
bit of a feeling, like, you know, there'd be a stalker, there'd
be that competition, there'd bethat kind of degrading of women
as well, like when you have allthese men that are behind the
(29:27):
scenes doing that type of stuff.
Like again, you mentioned itearlier not anything that has
reinvented the wheel, it's beendone before and I've seen it
other places but I did have alittle bit of a sense of what's
going on.
It just then continued to taketurns into deeper areas that I
just wasn't prepared for to taketurns into deeper areas that I
(29:49):
just wasn't prepared for.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
The scene in the garage is terrifying, with the
boom box and the.
Was that the director rightthat went first, or was that the
photographer that was in the?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
garage.
No, the director went first.
The guy in the elevator wentfirst.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, so that was the director, right, so that was
the director.
The photographer was the onethat got stabbed over and over
again.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
He just wanted a pizza.
I'm pretty sure he got stabbedin the dick.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I think so as well.
I think so, yeah, but thephotographer also had a really
bad reputation too.
But yeah, you think this isrelatively straightforward.
Obviously it's the stalker.
You know, they kind of set up.
He is creepy in the beginningand is definitely obsessive and,
(30:36):
like we said, it is so chillingthat this still goes on today.
It's not even just an idolthing, it is just a it can be a
pop star thing.
How many stories do we hearabout a year about a stalker?
What was there?
Sonia deville, former wwewrestler, had a stalker incident
as well.
So it's so terrifying that likethis is just part of their life
and they have to.
Who was the actor?
(30:57):
There was an actress alsorecently.
Like this one person keptshowing up at their q a panels
and all this stuff.
So it is so, so crazy.
But yeah, you just think like,oh, obviously the stalk.
He's running the website andmaybe it's like.
I did kind of think of amultiple personality thing where
maybe he was emailing himself,but I didn't really think that
like, oh, could it be likesomeone else obviously ended up
(31:18):
being Ruby, but I did have thethought process of like man who
was emailing him and tellingthem that he, that they are mima
.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
But I just thought maybe it was like an alternate
personality and he was emailinghimself like so yeah yeah, it's
tough, and it's it's hard toobecause like I don't fully know
everything and that's like thepurpose of the movie is, like
it's left to some someinterpretation as well.
But I definitely like want todissect the movie a little bit
(31:45):
more to understand some of thedirections and like what's real,
what's not.
But it's kind of like andthat's what I like about it it's
like the inception, you know,ending, where it's kind of left
up to that interpretation foryou to kind of guess.
But instead of it just beingthe ending, it's like the whole
film is like that.
So it's just very, very welldone.
(32:07):
And man, just so many breasts,there were so many so many
nipple scenes.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Lots of nudity.
I mean, it's all Mima, but itis definitely uncomfortable.
Remember looking back at it andthinking about especially when
I was watching some of theseyoutube videos like how obvious
it was that she wasn't waking upin her actual room.
And then you're like, oh yeah,but you're just so wrapped up in
like, oh, my god, is sheactually killing these people?
(32:37):
Is she actually having likemental breakdowns at work and is
she really seeing like anothermima somewhere else?
And you know, obviously I didn'teven know if, like the scene
where Mima was supposed tosupposedly be performing with,
like her idol group, again I waslike, oh, is that?
It was that Rumi that was upthere because, like the other
(32:58):
two, her, her two idol mateswere like looking, when you see
on their faces, they look alittle uncomfortable.
So did that scene actuallyhappen?
Did she think it happened?
And, like I said this thing, Ihave been so excited to get to
this episode just to talk to youabout it, because I was like
man, I don't know what actuallyhappened, what did or did not,
(33:18):
and it's very rare that thathappens, even though we've
watched a lot of really, reallygood movies on this series.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, and again Late to the Party being.
The series that it landed on isperfect.
It's like when we did Spirited.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Away Perfect Blue.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
That's the Hello I'm done.
I don't want to do this, nomore.
We've been recording too long.
I don't want to do this.
Yeah, it's, I thought you setme up.
Sorry, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, I thought you set me up Sorry.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, I can't say the word perfect anymore.
So yeah, no, I'm good, I'msolid, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I'm going to start working in the name of the film
into every episode.
Going forward now, man thatmovie was mad Boy Kumail.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Nanjiani's wife was sick Like big sick, big sick,
fucking Christ.
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Some of these are going to be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Was it Top.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Gun.
Some of these are going to beinteresting.
Good thing Tucker and Daleteamed up versus Evil.
It's going to be interestingLike man.
Good thing Tucker and Daleteamed up versus evil.
It's going to be a lot harderthan I thought.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, we're doing that thing tomorrow.
Is it the edge of tomorrow?
Like, what are we doing here?
What are we doing?
I don't.
What are you doing?
How are you going to do?
Nope.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, she just runs away and she says nope, Doesn't
that happen?
I guess it's true.
I'm going to rewatch.
No, by the way, I think I wastoo harsh on it.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
You may have Maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I gave it three and a half.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I was like I think I gave it a, didn't I give it a
three?
I gave it three and a half too.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Maybe we weren't that harsh, but anyway, perfect blue
.
What we weren't harsh on wasperfect blue.
No, we, uh, but yeah, we, wederailed pretty much here at the
end.
So, yeah, I unless there'sanything else, phil, that you
want to talk about from aspoiler perspective and again,
the reason I'm somewhat limitedhere is because I still want to,
like you mentioned, do thoseyoutube deep dives, yeah,
understand the film a little bitmore and probably rewatch it.
Like, again giving it a four.
The difference between that anda three and a half for me.
I have to constantly explainthis because you know there's
(35:33):
one person out therespecifically, but I've got to
always do it, just in casethere's.
There's a difference betweenlike, oh, it's on and I'd want
to watch it, versus like Iactually actively want to
rewatch it.
And that's where the fourterritories are different for me
.
Like, this is a movie Idefinitely would like to put on
again at some point, toreevaluate it and solidify that
(35:53):
score, because I think a movieneeds to be watched at least
twice for you to really lockthat score in.
And that's what I do want to dowith Perfect Blue at some point
or another.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, with Perfect Blue at some point or another,
yeah.
So if for some reason you stuckaround and you have not seen
the movie, definitely go checkit out.
We'll close this out byhighlighting some of these
letterboxed reviews which welike to do.
This one, from 2020, saysimagine your card declines at
therapy and they show you this.
This one's a 5 out of 5.
(36:27):
It just says what the actualfuck.
This one says the most fuckedup movie that opens with a Power
Rangers could ever be.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
That's how the movie opened I was like did I buy the
right movie?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
A smart, sexy and seriously funny comedy.
Edit.
Just finished reading theWikipedia summary.
How do I delete this?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
This would take a drink every time you're confused
.
Yeah, yeah, so again, a lot ofvery, very high, four and a half
size.
Google's perfect blue explainedthat's really really good.
So yeah, but anyway, that isperfect blue folks for this
(37:18):
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I am your co-host, phil Barrera, aka Phil the Filipino.
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And I'm your other co-host, mr Eric Almighty, and
for this edition of Late to theParty, we decided to jump into
an anime film that is not onlyregarded as one of the greatest
anime films of all time, but oneof the films that is actually
inspiring other films that aremade even today.
So, without further ado, we arehere to talk about Perfect Blue
(01:03):
.
So, without further ado, we arehere to talk about Perfect Blue
.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, we are back into the Satoshi Kon filmography
after talking about TokyoGodfathers back in December,
which was just a very, verywell-liked movie by both of us
as well as a bunch of ouraudiences.
You know people were prettyhappy that we had checked this
out and it's a film that I thinkover time it's finding more and
(01:32):
more people, and Perfect Blueis Satoshi Kon's first film
which I did not know going intoit, and it is another one that
people you know as far as youknow, major anime heads will
bring up this movie and, as youmentioned, eric, it is
incredibly influential when itcomes to just cinema now, and I
actually learned a few thingsabout this movie when I was
hanging out with our buddy Coreyalso a patron, a wait watcher
(01:54):
just yesterday in St Augustine,because I told him we were
preparing to record this episode, and I've learned some stuff
about this movie that I did notknow before.
So we are going to dive intothis thing here, eric.
And one thing I will say, justto get this out of the way,
because it is a little bit of acliche I rhymed like three words
in a row.
I don't believe that was reallytrue.
Bars, three out of five.
(02:15):
We say this a lot, especiallyme, where I say a film sits with
you like for a long time, andI'm roughly a week removed from
watching this and I'm stillthinking about it.
Is that a good thing or a badthing?
We'll unpack that here.
So appreciate y'all forchecking us out.
(02:36):
If you are a first time listeneror a long time listener and you
need a reminder as far as towhere to find the rest of our
content, stick around.
We'll let you know where youcan find everything you need, as
well as how to get someadditional perks if you're
interested in those.
But let's get to the synopsishere from Letterboxd Perfect
Blue, released in 1997, onceagain directed by Satoshi Kon.
Encouraged by her managers,rising pop star Mima takes on a
(02:59):
recurring role on a popular TVshow when suddenly her handlers
and collaborators begin turningup murdered.
So, eric, what did you knowabout Perfect Blue?
Leading into this, of course welooked at Satoshi Kon's
filmography after we very muchenjoyed our time with Tokyo
Godfathers we have circledPaprika and Millennium, actress,
(03:21):
paranoia, agent All of thesefilms we've kind of circled like
diving into more of his films.
Why did you feel like now was agood time to dive into Perfect
Blue for us.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So the thing with Perfect Blue was number one.
It was an option for ourPatreon month.
Somebody did recommend this,while we didn't go with it.
This was a nice theme for Bulmaat Suri, which is happening
here Juneune in jacksonville.
We're going to be there, as wehave been for the last five
years, so finding a top tieranime film that we could cover
(03:53):
that we haven't seen was reallyimportant for late to the party
specifically and that's where itdiffers from international
feature, where we might coverfilms that are a little bit
lesser known even if they'reanime this one is one that is
talked about in so many circles.
If you were to ask somebody whatis your favorite or what is one
of the best anime films you'veever seen, perfect blue is
(04:16):
brought up in so manyconversations.
Where I heard of it first waswhen I watched black swan and in
the year that that moviereleased there were a lot of
comparisons to Perfect Blue andI remember saying like, oh, that
is, that's super interesting,but never exploring it.
And I think we learned the hardway, phil, with Satoshi Kon,
(04:38):
like looking at his filmography.
Those are all projects I'veheard of, I've been aware of,
but I just never took the diveinto any of them, and we started
with Tokyo Godfathers, now withPerfect Blue.
I'm really glad that we did.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, we're finding how ahead of his time Satoshi
Kon was as well.
You know, when we talk aboutTokyo Godfathers and having a
transgender character featuredso prominently, and then now
with what we've seen here inthis, you know, it just really
enforces the thought thatSatoshi Kon was taken from us
(05:16):
far too soon and it's really sadthat he's not still around to
innovate and craft stories suchas this.
And I will say this as wellbefore we get started, because I
will probably talk aboutspoilers a little bit later.
We do want to give a little bitof a trigger warning here.
There are some very, verygraphic scenes and topics that
are in this film.
We won't go into full detailwith them here, but if any of
(05:38):
those things are triggering foryou, I just want to let you guys
know that here right out of thegate.
So one thing, eric, that youknow that we have and me
specifically has very muchstruggled with when it comes to
some of these older films,especially anime.
So, like when we're talkingabout how I felt about Akira and
then, obviously, how I feltabout some of the Ghibli films,
(05:58):
animation always is brought up.
It's the first thing that youcertainly reference when you're
talking about anime and thisfilm here's what I learned,
here's the fact that I learnedfrom Corey the other day is all
digital copies of this film.
Apparently and I might get someof this wrong, so correct me if
I'm wrong for those of you thatare listening, the original
(06:20):
digital copies of this film wereall lost in a fire.
So every single copy of thisfilm that is now uploaded to
like digital where we watched itnow is a VHS copy.
So it's never been upscaled orlike remastered.
This is what the film lookedlike when it released on VHS
back in the 90s and thatcertainly kind of plays.
(06:40):
You know, comes through whenyou watch the film.
It is a little rough around theedges.
Comes through when you watchthe film.
It is a little rough around theedges, but that didn't bother
me here, especially because someof the themes of this film made
it very apparent that some ofthose animation choices were
very intentional.
So we have to start there, ofcourse, when we're talking about
anime and we're talking about afilm that is so iconic,
(07:02):
animation-wise.
Eric, where did you land?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's timeless, like it's just.
I know we said that TokyoGodfather had like elements of
being timeless, but when youwatch this, it's not just the
animation, it's the choice ofvisuals.
Obviously, there's a lot ofblurring of reality, so from a
story perspective, I thinkthat's where it can get a little
bit more tricky.
Visually, there is no argumentLike it is visually stunning.
(07:30):
Even now, in 2025, it wasexciting for us to be able to
see a movie that is this old,hold up against the test of time
.
When there are so many films,phil, that we've watched where
we've been like you know, thatmovie showed its age, that movie
didn't really age well, andthis one, at least in the
animation realm, I don't thinkit's an argument at all that can
(07:51):
be made Objectively.
This movie is stunning.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I agree, I definitely agree.
And just to transition to likestory, this thing was absolutely
fucking nuts.
And when I thought I had anidea or a grasp of what was
going on, like in the beginning,you're like oh, it's pretty
straightforward.
It's a girl who, you know,wants to be more than just an
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idol, which, of course, overthere in that culture is like a
huge deal.
It's still a very much a hugedeal.
We see people like that now whomake that transition from her,
making that transition from, youknow, k-pop to now being in
Hollywood, and it was like, okay, that seems pretty
straightforward.
And then you add in the stalkerelement and it was just such a
(08:42):
eye-opening story because somany of these things, even
though this film what 1997?
So it's like 30 years old,older than that, I can't do math
, it's an older film All thosethemes are still so relevant
here today and when you thinkthat you have this movie figured
out, you do not.
And there were so many of thosetwists and turns.
(09:03):
I've never seen black swan, soI didn't have anything to
reference.
So trying to navigate and get agrasp as to what was happening
in this was a wild ride that Ienjoy is a strong word because
it is so dark and heavy andthere's so many crazy twists and
turns and obviously it it'svery graphic, like we alluded to
(09:24):
.
But I enjoyed my time with this, from beginning until end and
then, upon watching, you knowdoing a little bit of a YouTube
deep dive.
I cannot wait to watch it again.
I will give it some timebecause of those heavy themes,
but it's something that I willrevisit eventually and would
also like to revisit with peoplewho have never seen the film
before.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, that's where it was tough for me, because it
was like I clearly would want toshow this to the right person
and I would sit down and do likea watch party, be an
uncomfortable watch party, maybenot a watch party.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I don't know if I want to eat a charcuterie board
right before we sit down andwatch.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I'm just saying that.
I don't know that I'd want tobe with just one person, though,
so I feel like it's a lose-losescenario I'm going to turn on
the red LED lights up here andjust stare at somebody and see
if they react the same way thatI do.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know, when you show someone a movie, you're
like all right, they're going tolaugh in three, two, they
didn't laugh.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, and that's where it's tough because, like
as a film, I can absolutely seehow this movie can be
recommended to other people, butI could also understand people
not liking it for certain things, like when we talk about the
themes and some of thetriggering stuff.
Like this movie is I don't knowthat you would say over
sexualized, because I think Idon't know that that was the
intention, but you know, there'sa lot of nudity, there's a lot
(10:47):
of themes that are verytriggering, as we mentioned
earlier, a lot of sexual themesthat are explored.
So it's definitely a moviethat's not for everyone, but a
movie that I would go out of myway to tell people to watch,
which makes sense because thepeople that we've heard this
from have done just that.
(11:08):
Like they've said, this is anall-time classic and I don't
know, phil, it's something aboutthis movie that's been the way
it's talked about.
It's just a different levelthan how other movies have been
talked about and for this beingSatoshi Kon's directorial debut,
by the way, also insane.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's crazy.
You know how, like when you seeI can't think of anybody off the
top of my head right now, butlike someone makes their
directorial debut and it'ssomething, just a million
different layers of crazy andmessed up You're like what was
going on in that person's head,like where did you come up with
this idea?
And again, a lot of the themesin here and a lot of what's
happening isn't necessarilyoriginal, but it is done so well
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and, and you know the obviouslythe intent is to make you
uncomfortable.
So, yeah, this isn't somethingyou watch with your family.
You don't sit down, pop somepopcorn, invite, invite your
family over and watch this.
But in terms of, I think, whereit sits, as you were kind of
alluding to Eric, in terms of Ithink where it sits, as you were
kind of alluding to Eric, interms of, like, cinematic
history, both on the animatedand on animated side, uh, it, it
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holds its place very, very well.
What other themes and whatother things did you want to
point out as far as um positivesfor this film?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.
So when it, when it's blurringthe lines of reality, uh, you
know that from a story element,I think upon first watch is hard
to fully digest.
I know I enjoyed it and I neverfelt lost, but I also say that,
knowing that I got lost in thefilm and that was its intention,
like the movie specifically, isblurring those lines and making
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you not fully understand whatis going on.
It's just the way the movieexecutes that.
That whole concept, I think, isjust done really well.
I'm very curious, upon a rewatch, what that will look like for
me.
Will my score go up?
Will my score go down?
I'm more leaning up and Iwatched this movie in sub
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because that was the only optionon amazon to rent it.
I'd be very curious to see whatthe dub for this was, because I
think I have heard pretty goodthings about the dub, even for
its time.
I know those older animes.
Some of them are hard to listento compared to today's work.
But I got to say like that wasprobably my favorite aspect of
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it was just the constant bendand weave throughout what was
real and what wasn't.
Those were probably theelements that were most gripping
to me and how I digest thatupon a second watch is going to
be really key for me.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
There's something really satisfying about when
things click for a movie that isintentionally trying to kind of
confuse you and lead you down apath you think you're going and
then completely swerve you.
There's something so satisfyingabout that when it is done
correctly, like so many movies.
Like you see these thingscoming from a mile away and I
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thought, like I said, I thoughtthis was relatively cut and dry
oh, it's this person.
Obviously, obviously, thisperson is who is behind all of
this.
And then we find out whathappens.
You're like that's insane.
And then, when you think backand look at it, you're like,
yeah, that totally makes sense.
You start to connect those dotsand put everything together and
then, like you said, like Isaid, this is one of those
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movies where we're always bigproponents.
Eric and I of you shouldn't haveto watch a YouTube video to
understand a movie, but this issomething that made me
immediately go watch more aboutit and learn about what I maybe
didn't understand because Idon't have the trained eye for
it and you know people talkingabout the cinematography and the
use of, like the color red andthe misdirects and all of that.
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So it is something that I, likeI said, I will certainly watch
again.
I did see I don't know that Iwould watch it in dub just
because now I've seen it, likemy score is what it is and I
felt so strongly about it, so Idon't know that I would go back
and watch the dub.
But I did see some clips onsome of those YouTube deep dives
that I did and yeah, it didn'tlook too bad.
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But yeah, man, it is a wildride.
I don't know really how else tokind of explain this without
going into spoilers, which we'lldo in a moment.
But it's boy, it's crazy.
Has Stefan watched this?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
No, it is on his watch list, though, so he will
watch it soon and because welike it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He will hate it.
He's going to be like it's notas good as Flo, but it was good.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Don't even fucking get started with me, but he did
give to be fair, he loves Black.
Swan.
He loves Black Swan.
I'm pretty sure he gave thatmovie a five.
So he's probably going to verymuch like Perfect Blue.
And the director for Black Swan,Darren Arnosky that's probably
right, there might be an F inthere, but he also did another
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movie called Requiem for a Dreamwhich was also apparently
highly inspired by that movieand he at one point was rumored
to be doing like a live actionPerfect Blue.
So for that director that kindof makes sense to kind of be
paying homage to this type ofwork.
But man, it just it's so toughto think that he's no longer.
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Satoshi Kon is no longer withus, was unable to do more than
what he did, but even what hedid do is like generational,
Like I'm very excited.
You know, we'll talk about,we'll keep it in line with
perfect blue and talk aboutspoilers in a moment, Cause this
movie is how old, Uh, 1997.
I definitely think that thereare so many of these that we
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probably all of them we're goingto end up watching on this
series.
Paprika, millennium actress,paranoia agent, Like I would say
those are probably Paranoia.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Agent's a show right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Paranoia Agent is a show.
Yeah, but those are his otherworks, from what I can see, that
are like highly, highly touted,so those will probably make
their way back.
But yeah, I think we do want totalk about the film a little
bit more in depth.
Do you want to go over scoresbefore we do that?
Again, this movie is almost 20years old, but maybe stick with
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that formula.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, let's do that because, again, if you have not
seen this, please, please, watchit.
Please do not stick around forthe spoiler discussion because
it will completely ruin themovie.
Please, please do that.
So let's go over scores.
As far as the Tomatometer score, I'm surprised it wasn't higher
(17:31):
.
I mean, it's still solid, butit is an 84% tomato meter score
and then an 89% popcorn meterscore, which is the user rating,
so I was surprised that was nothigher.
Over on Letterboxd, it doescarry a very, very high 4.4 as
far as its average with's see,we have 44 000 oh, hold on, let
me do this a little differently309 000, 39 of those reviews
being five out of fives, um,which is, uh, obviously very,
(17:56):
very strong.
So, eric you alluded to itbefore we got started I gave
this a very high score.
As you can probably tell by theway that I'm talking about it,
I gave this a 4.5.
And it is we'll also talk aboutthis in a moment as far as all
of the late to the parties thatwe have watched, it is very
highly ranked for me and I could, probably I could see why you
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maybe would be concerned by howI would feel about this, just
based off of our experience withAkira and then Spirited Away.
This thing is timeless and whenwe I hate to reference this
because we didn't have really agood time but even though I gave
it like a pretty good scorewith Taxi Driver, it's a movie
that I understand, like why itsits where it does in terms of
cinema history, but I don't everwant to watch it again.
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And it's completely differentfor Perfect Blue, where I
wouldn't understand anybodygiving this a score lower to a
four, whereas Taxi Driver, assome people we know, you know,
stefan gave it a low score.
Other people now, especially in2025, are like this is what
people have been, you know,raving about.
I wouldn't understand ifanybody came away from this and
(19:00):
being upset about the filmitself.
In terms of the movie, some ofthe themes, yes, I can
understand why you'd be upset,but the movie itself, I don't
know that you could give itlower than a four.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean, I can see it only from the standpoint
of what we kind of talked aboutwas some of those kind of
difficult scenes and some of thesexualized nature of the film,
Like were they all necessary allthe time?
I think a discussion can be hadwhen it comes to that.
It's also a disturbing film andthat's not always people's jam.
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But I think if you look at themovie through the lens of just
how it was made, the creativitythat went behind it, the story
and the way that that story istold, I think it's hard to also
not give this movie a four,which is why that's exactly what
I gave it and that's theranking that I give a movie when
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it's something that I wouldrecommend to the right person
and I would sit down and watchit with them, Like I would
actively show them that movieand even as difficult as the
themes are with this movie, Iwould still do that for the
right person.
And I think the other thing wedidn't mention is this movie is
a brisk hour 21.
(20:13):
Like this movie.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And it seems longer.
It does it seems longer.
But I couldn't believe.
I was like oh, I'm at the end,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And I would have been totally cool with a little bit
more time and that's that's justlike again a movie that's
leaving you wanting more.
Very excited that that was thecase and that it wasn't a chore
to go through.
So very happy with that scorethat we have a director, another
director, because you know wetalked about Hosada and some of
(20:44):
his films that we've watched.
I think you just it's okay,you're not a Ghibli guy, that's
alright.
You've got other directors nowthat you can.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Corey did mention.
I wonder if there are Ghiblifilms that weren't directed by,
that are not Miyazaki films.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm glad you brought that up.
Okay, I'm glad you brought thatup because I'm going to be
watching Grave of the Firefliessooner than later.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I think that's the movie he mentioned.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yes, and if I like it , I'm going to put it for
international feature.
Okay, it's a movie thateverybody talks about, that's
seen it, but I feel like it'sstill pretty unknown unknown.
So I think internationalfeature would be a better fit
than late to the party.
But it could even go there too,like it's a movie that people
rave about and it is a Ghiblifilm, but not by Miyazaki but
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where is this in your late tothe party list?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
did you add it or did you forget again?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
you say again, like I normally forget you forgot,
forgot last month Did I, it waslast month.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh, it was last month Taxi Driver.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Because I wanted to forget that movie.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, perfect Blue.
On my list it is ranked eighth.
Okay, and it is ranked behindthe Shawshank Redemption and
above the Mitchells vs theMachines.
Which crazy, crazy sandwichthere of films.
But yeah, it's up there ateight and, honestly, upon
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rewatch, not only could I seemyself putting it higher on our
late to the party series list, Icould see that score going up
as well.
So that's where I landed.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Seventh for me, seventh sandwiched in between
klaus and the big sick.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
so yeah, you just there's a lot of context needed
before we say these type ofthings, you know it's gonna take
.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I can't imagine what it's gonna take to crack my top
five.
I know our top fives are arekind of similar because, like I
have goodfellas obviously one ofmy favorite movies of all time
interstellar, which isreachingellas, obviously one of
my favorite movies of all time,interstellar, which is reaching
the status of one of my favoritefilms of all time, chernobyl is
three Paddington two, which isa masterpiece, stefan and then
five is Shawshank Redemption,yeah, so yeah, no, that makes a
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lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
My top five right now sit at Chernobyl 1,
interstellar 2, pretty Woman 3.
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You do love Pretty Woman.
I fucking love Pretty Woman.
It's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Paddington 2 and then Top Gun Maverick.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I was going to say Top Gun Maverick could move
up.
I haven't.
It's so much fun I shouldprobably move that up.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, but I could see Perfect Blue cracking that for
sure.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Like I've got space to give after Paddington 2 for
that fifth spot.
It's love that we have twoPaddington faces staring at us
here.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Where do you have the first Paddington?
I have it at 12.
I have it at 14.
Okay, above Goodfellas, rightabove it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know, for Paddington it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, but yeah, so that is where we stood on it,
phil.
Uh, from a spoiler perspective,um, I'm not sure if phil will
even bother giving you thewarning because, again, this
movie is so old please also.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Please just leave.
Please, please just leave andcome back please we're gonna
talk spoilers and then we'lltalk.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Uh, we'll talk about would you rathers?
Uh, probably afterwards.
Uh, unless you want to do thatfirst.
But yeah, no, let's do.
Would you rathers first?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
probably afterwards uh, unless you want to do that
first.
But yeah, no, let's do, wouldyou rathers first?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
would you rather first, okay, yeah, so don't
leave quite yet, come back, comeback, hey, hey, hey, get back
here.
So let's go ahead and jump into.
Before spoilers, let's fit inthis activity.
Would you rather watch PerfectBlue or this movie?
(24:25):
And I'm going to use bothIMDB's list and I'm going to
also use Letterboxd, since we'vehad a little bit of luck.
So would you rather watch thisPerfect Blue or Tokyo Godfathers
?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Perfect Blue.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Okay, I'm not going to ask about Akira don't, don't,
do that not worth it.
Would you rather watch perfectblue or your name?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
yeah, yeah, yeah, your name, we.
We just talked about how it'salso difficult to get through
perfect blue, even though it's afantastic film.
But your name at least I knowI'll be happy at the end.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
That one I just literally threw in for me.
Yeah, would you rather watchPerfect Blue or American Psycho?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Probably American Psycho yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, would you rather watch Perfect Blue or
Silence of the Lambs?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Oh God, we're getting into tough territory here.
That first Silence of the Lambsis so good.
I know I'm going to go.
Silence of the Lambs thatperformance from Anthony Hopkins
is chilling, it's so goodthough it's good, I do have to
ask this as an obligatoryquestion.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Would you rather watch Perfect Blue or the
Shining?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Pass.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You know God, would you rather watch Perfect Blue or
Joker?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Perfect Blue Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
The further we get away from joker.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Like you said, you don't feel great no, I, I do, uh
, I do agree.
Yeah, the rest of these phil.
This is like and this is whyI'm so shocked about your score
like I know, you're a big fan ofamerican psycho, but like this
is just not a genre that wetypically find ourselves in yeah
like did you watch shutterisland?
(26:27):
I did.
Would you rather watch perfectblue or shutter island?
probably just because I'm such aleo stan, I'd probably go
shutter island yeah yeah yeah,but a lot of these movies like I
can't imagine you've seen them.
I've seen a little bit morethan what I think you have, but
like.
So this is.
This is weird being on here.
Would you rather watch perfectblue or the first saw perfect?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
blue.
Okay, I guess maybepsychological torture wise like,
maybe, maybe, yeah, yeah, therethere are quite a few things
I'd watch before saw but yeah,so there you have it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That's the more like this.
Would you rather watch sectionof the episode?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
now is your spoiler warning now you should probably
probably leave.
It's great that Purple Blue ishis first movie and it is his
highest rated on Letterboxd.
Still, I think the lower scoreout of all these is a 3.9, which
is I think that Good Morning,yeah, good Morning.
These is a 3.9.
Yeah, which is I think thatGood Morning.
Yeah, good Morning.
And then also, whatever thisAni Curry is, I don't know what
(27:28):
this oh, it's a 15 one-minuteshorts, okay, so maybe he just
has a short on here and it's notall.
So, yeah, as far as his films,a 3.9, I think, is the lowest,
which is crazy.
But, yeah, spoilers.
So if you haven't seen themovie, please, if you feel like
those themes are not going to betoo much for you, definitely go
check out Perfect Blue.
But, yeah, eric, so I just wantto.
(27:50):
We'll start with, obviously,who we believe is running this
website.
Who is in charge of all of this?
I mean, did you think this wasgoing to be relatively cut and
dry?
Did you know?
Because you've watched blackswan, so, like you knew, you
know kind of like some of thesethemes going into it already.
So just walk me through your,your thought process here.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know there were.
There were a lot of things Iwas expecting, but you know one
thing I wasn't rape.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah no, no, no, no, no.
I'm so sorry I got to put thatclip in now.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
We need it for context.
Not funny, it is not funny, butthat clip is kind of just a
little bit.
I didn't expect that.
So that there was, yeah, therebeing a sexual assault scene.
No, it was a little bitunexpected.
But outside of that, like, likedid I expect much?
(28:44):
Like I knew once we were seeingthat this character was an idol
.
Because I have watched, uh, likea show like oshinoko, which
I've talked about before.
I really really like that show,uh, the first season, the first
episode, specifically, like Iactually I love that episode.
It's like a prologue of sorts,but it lets you kind of know,
(29:05):
like the darker side of the idolindustry in Japan and like just
in general, and because I camein knowing that I had a little
bit of a feeling, like, you know, there'd be a stalker, there'd
be that competition, there'd bethat kind of degrading of women
as well, like when you have allthese men that are behind the
(29:27):
scenes doing that type of stuff.
Like again, you mentioned itearlier not anything that has
reinvented the wheel, it's beendone before and I've seen it
other places but I did have alittle bit of a sense of what's
going on.
It just then continued to taketurns into deeper areas that I
just wasn't prepared for to taketurns into deeper areas that I
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just wasn't prepared for.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
The scene in the garage is terrifying, with the
boom box and the.
Was that the director rightthat went first, or was that the
photographer that was in the?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
garage.
No, the director went first.
The guy in the elevator wentfirst.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, so that was the director, right, so that was
the director.
The photographer was the onethat got stabbed over and over
again.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
He just wanted a pizza.
I'm pretty sure he got stabbedin the dick.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I think so as well.
I think so, yeah, but thephotographer also had a really
bad reputation too.
But yeah, you think this isrelatively straightforward.
Obviously it's the stalker.
You know, they kind of set up.
He is creepy in the beginningand is definitely obsessive and,
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like we said, it is so chillingthat this still goes on today.
It's not even just an idolthing, it is just a it can be a
pop star thing.
How many stories do we hearabout a year about a stalker?
What was there?
Sonia deville, former wwewrestler, had a stalker incident
as well.
So it's so terrifying that likethis is just part of their life
and they have to.
Who was the actor?
(30:57):
There was an actress alsorecently.
Like this one person keptshowing up at their q a panels
and all this stuff.
So it is so, so crazy.
But yeah, you just think like,oh, obviously the stalk.
He's running the website andmaybe it's like.
I did kind of think of amultiple personality thing where
maybe he was emailing himself,but I didn't really think that
like, oh, could it be likesomeone else obviously ended up
(31:18):
being Ruby, but I did have thethought process of like man who
was emailing him and tellingthem that he, that they are mima
.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
But I just thought maybe it was like an alternate
personality and he was emailinghimself like so yeah yeah, it's
tough, and it's it's hard toobecause like I don't fully know
everything and that's like thepurpose of the movie is, like
it's left to some someinterpretation as well.
But I definitely like want todissect the movie a little bit
(31:45):
more to understand some of thedirections and like what's real,
what's not.
But it's kind of like andthat's what I like about it it's
like the inception, you know,ending, where it's kind of left
up to that interpretation foryou to kind of guess.
But instead of it just beingthe ending, it's like the whole
film is like that.
So it's just very, very welldone.
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And man, just so many breasts,there were so many so many
nipple scenes.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Lots of nudity.
I mean, it's all Mima, but itis definitely uncomfortable.
Remember looking back at it andthinking about especially when
I was watching some of theseyoutube videos like how obvious
it was that she wasn't waking upin her actual room.
And then you're like, oh yeah,but you're just so wrapped up in
like, oh, my god, is sheactually killing these people?
(32:37):
Is she actually having likemental breakdowns at work and is
she really seeing like anothermima somewhere else?
And you know, obviously I didn'teven know if, like the scene
where Mima was supposed tosupposedly be performing with,
like her idol group, again I waslike, oh, is that?
It was that Rumi that was upthere because, like the other
(32:58):
two, her, her two idol mateswere like looking, when you see
on their faces, they look alittle uncomfortable.
So did that scene actuallyhappen?
Did she think it happened?
And, like I said this thing, Ihave been so excited to get to
this episode just to talk to youabout it, because I was like
man, I don't know what actuallyhappened, what did or did not,
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and it's very rare that thathappens, even though we've
watched a lot of really, reallygood movies on this series.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, and again Late to the Party being.
The series that it landed on isperfect.
It's like when we did Spirited.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Away Perfect Blue.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
That's the Hello I'm done.
I don't want to do this, nomore.
We've been recording too long.
I don't want to do this.
Yeah, it's, I thought you setme up.
Sorry, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, I thought you set me up Sorry.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, I can't say the word perfect anymore.
So yeah, no, I'm good, I'msolid, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I'm going to start working in the name of the film
into every episode.
Going forward now, man thatmovie was mad Boy Kumail.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Nanjiani's wife was sick Like big sick, big sick,
fucking Christ.
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Some of these are going to be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Was it Top.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Gun.
Some of these are going to beinteresting.
Good thing Tucker and Daleteamed up versus Evil.
It's going to be interestingLike man.
Good thing Tucker and Daleteamed up versus evil.
It's going to be a lot harderthan I thought.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, we're doing that thing tomorrow.
Is it the edge of tomorrow?
Like, what are we doing here?
What are we doing?
I don't.
What are you doing?
How are you going to do?
Nope.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, she just runs away and she says nope, Doesn't
that happen?
I guess it's true.
I'm going to rewatch.
No, by the way, I think I wastoo harsh on it.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
You may have Maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I gave it three and a half.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I was like I think I gave it a, didn't I give it a
three?
I gave it three and a half too.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Maybe we weren't that harsh, but anyway, perfect blue
.
What we weren't harsh on wasperfect blue.
No, we, uh, but yeah, we, wederailed pretty much here at the
end.
So, yeah, I unless there'sanything else, phil, that you
want to talk about from aspoiler perspective and again,
the reason I'm somewhat limitedhere is because I still want to,
like you mentioned, do thoseyoutube deep dives, yeah,
understand the film a little bitmore and probably rewatch it.
Like, again giving it a four.
The difference between that anda three and a half for me.
I have to constantly explainthis because you know there's
(35:33):
one person out therespecifically, but I've got to
always do it, just in casethere's.
There's a difference betweenlike, oh, it's on and I'd want
to watch it, versus like Iactually actively want to
rewatch it.
And that's where the fourterritories are different for me
.
Like, this is a movie Idefinitely would like to put on
again at some point, toreevaluate it and solidify that
(35:53):
score, because I think a movieneeds to be watched at least
twice for you to really lockthat score in.
And that's what I do want to dowith Perfect Blue at some point
or another.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, with Perfect Blue at some point or another,
yeah.
So if for some reason you stuckaround and you have not seen
the movie, definitely go checkit out.
We'll close this out byhighlighting some of these
letterboxed reviews which welike to do.
This one, from 2020, saysimagine your card declines at
therapy and they show you this.
This one's a 5 out of 5.
(36:27):
It just says what the actualfuck.
This one says the most fuckedup movie that opens with a Power
Rangers could ever be.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I forgot.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
That's how the movie opened I was like did I buy the
right movie?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
A smart, sexy and seriously funny comedy.
Edit.
Just finished reading theWikipedia summary.
How do I delete this?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
This would take a drink every time you're confused
.
Yeah, yeah, so again, a lot ofvery, very high, four and a half
size.
Google's perfect blue explainedthat's really really good.
So yeah, but anyway, that isperfect blue folks for this
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month's episode of Late to theParty.
So if you want to find anyother films or TV shows that
Eric and I were late to theparty on, make sure you check
out the Linktree link in theshow notes of this and every
single episode.
You'll find all the rest of ourcontent as well.
If you want to support the show,you can do quite a few
different things.
You can head on over to ApplePodcasts, spotify, leave us a
(37:38):
five-star review.
All of that stuff goes a very,very long way in terms of
getting our podcast out there tomore prospective listeners.
You can also follow us onsocial media, the important ones
being Instagram, tiktok, ourgrowing and flourishing discord
community, as well as over onTwitch, where we are streaming a
whole lot.
(37:58):
Eric especially is wheneverhe's just sitting down and
playing a game like, yeah, I'llhop on there.
So if you ever want to hang out,we are probably over on Twitch,
usually a little bit later inthe evening, sometimes even like
on a weekend stream as well.
So make sure you check all ofthat out, and then you can also
tag us, let us know that you'relistening, let your friends know
that you're listening andenjoying the show.
We very, very much appreciatethat.
(38:18):
So wherever we see you, whetherit online or in person, we
appreciate all of that support.
But maybe you're findingyourself like man, I have to
wait so long for these episodesto come out.
I want them like early.
Well, eric, there's a way thatthey can do that if you want to
let them know.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, not only getting early access, but behind
the scenes looks at things thatwe schedule, we set up and we
do with the podcast.
Only you get to see it onPatreon.
And patrons of the show Briar,stefan T3Kato, vintage, macaroni
, corey from the World's myBurrito and Nick Casbarro, the
author of the Vidularium series,are just some of the people
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that are involved in supportingus on that platform and helping
us grow that community.
So come be a part of that team.
If not, you can't do it.
Be a part of that team.
If not, you can't do it.
You're not in this situationwhere you can.
All the free stuff is stillvery much appreciated and it
makes a world of difference forshows like this one.
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With all that being said, myname is Mr Eric Almighty.
That is my co-host, philipFilipino, and please don't
forget, we release new episodesfor the podcast every Wednesday
and all you got to do is waitfor it.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
This is the Wait For it Podcast.
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