March 16, 2025 • 29 mins
God sees you as a saint, not a sinner, and this profound truth transforms how we understand our identity in Christ and our relationship with Him.
• Paul consistently addressed all believers as "saints" regardless of their struggles with sin
• The Catholic tradition restricts sainthood to legendary figures while Protestant churches often emphasize "sinner saved by grace"
• A saint is someone who is holy to God—not because of their performance but Christ's finished work
• Your body is now as holy as the temple of God was to Israel
• Sin is incompatible with your new nature and works like a virus against your spiritual immune system
• The idea that Christians can be "in and out of fellowship" with God contradicts the gospel of grace
• The New Covenant provides perfect, unbreakable fellowship that Old Testament believers didn't experience
• Before Christ's finished work, no one was crucified with Christ, made a new creation, or sealed with the Holy Spirit
• Grace isn't just about securing salvation—it's about a completely new way of living guided by the indwelling Spirit
• A fresh start is always available because God never turns away from His precious children
May God bless your week as you walk with Him understanding your true identity as His saint.
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How does God see you right now?
How would Paul the Apostle seeyou right now?
How do you see you right now inyour relationship with God?
Are you a sinner or a saint?
The answer to all of thesequestions should be the same,
and Paul wanted the recipientsof his letters to know this
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important fact.
In the opening lines of Romans,paul reminds these Christians
of his identity as an apostle ofChrist and their identity as
believers in Christ.
Let's read our Romans passagesto start off this episode.
Romans, chapter 1, verses 1-7.
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle.
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set
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apart for the gospel of Godwhich he promised beforehand
through his prophets and theholy scriptures concerning his
son, who is descended from Davidaccording to the flesh and was
declared to be the Son of God inpower according to the Spirit
of holiness, by his resurrectionfrom the dead.
Jesus Christ, our Lord, throughwhom we have received grace and
apostleship, to bring about theobedience of faith, for the
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sake of his name, among all thenations, including you, who are
called to belong to Jesus Christ, to all those in Rome who are
loved by God and called to besaints.
Grace to you and peace from God, our Father and the Lord Jesus
Christ.
If you keep up with my podcast,you might remember me saying
that we would be moving on fromthe first seven passages of
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Paul's letter to the Romans.
Well, it looks like God hadsomething different in mind for
me.
A few days after I said that,it came to my realization that I
missed a major topic.
Paul wrote this as well asother letters to the saints.
This is no small detail to beaware of, so I had to talk about
it.
Some people feel a little funnyusing the word saint to describe
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themselves or others.
I would imagine this mostlycomes from the Catholic usage of
the word.
The Catholic religion hasturned the status of saint into
an achievement, an achievementthat is always going to be far
out of your reach.
You have to be legendary to getthis title.
Protestant religion is not muchbetter here.
The identity most carry in theProtestant religion is sinner
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saved by grace.
When we read scripture forourselves, though, we find
something very peculiar.
Paul refers to everyone whobelieves as saints, even those
who are struggling with sin intheir lives, even those
struggling with false doctrine.
To Paul, anyone who hasbelieved and received Christ has
been awarded the title of saint, the identity of saint.
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I think that's all the morereason to use it in its proper
context.
When you believed in Jesus atsalvation, you became a saint.
That means you no longeridentify as sinner to the Lord
of Lords, and it's how he seesus that really matters.
It's not what we hear out therein religion that actually
defines us.
By definition, a saint is aperson who is holy to God.
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We see the term used in the OldTestament to describe the
faithful as well.
It was never used to describethe unfaithful of Israel.
This is a major clue about theremnant of Israel that served by
faith.
Not all of nation Israel wereconsidered saints.
It was only those who believedin the Lord by faith.
In the ESV Bible translation,the term saint is used about 21
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times in the Old Testament,which represents the first three
quarters of our Bible.
In the New Testament ESVtranslation, we see the term
saint 61 times.
Proportionally, the term saintis used about 75% of the time in
the last 25% of our Bibles.
All who receive Christ by faithare now called saints or God's
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holy people.
What was once a remnant ofnation Israel has become every
person in the body of Christ.
Think about that for a minute.
The biggest problem we facetoday is that our identity has
been hidden away by bad doctrineand nobody's really looking for
the truth.
They're looking to be fed bywhat we see as the professionals
of our day, not the Holy Spiritwho was given to us for
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counseling.
It seems there will always be aremnant.
The remnant of our day arethose who actually understand
the grace they've been given andthus can live a life guided by
that grace.
The idea that you are a saintcan sound really confusing at
first.
If you're new to the concept,you might say I'm certainly not
a saint.
I still struggle with sin in mylife.
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But when your heavenly fathertells you who you are, are you
going to argue with him?
It's not as if God Most Highhas somehow become blind to your
behavior.
It's that he has changed whoyou are.
You can now say that you're asaint who struggles with sin at
times.
But knowing you are a sainttells you that you have a much
higher calling than a sinner.
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There's something about youthat's very different.
Sin no longer makes sense to asaint.
Sin no longer benefits a saint.
Sin is going to trouble a saintand cause problems in their
lives.
A saint can still sin, but theyhave a new master and a renewed
mind.
When we were regenerated atsalvation, we saw sin the way
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God sees it.
We can't unsee that.
We can try to ignore it, but wecan't unsee it, and the Spirit
of God will bring these thingsto our remembrance.
Yahweh has set us free from thebondage of sin.
Each and every one of us hasracked up more sin debt than we
could ever pay back to our MostHoly God.
He wiped all that out for youat the cross and promised to
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stop counting sin against youany longer.
As Paul described in 2Corinthians 5.19,.
He even killed your old selfand made you a whole new
creation, according to Romans6.6 and 2 Corinthians 5.17.
So, now that our slate is clean,shall we continue to sin?
Paul asks this same questionfor the sake of the saints in
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Rome.
What then, are we to sinbecause we are not under law but
under grace?
By no means Do you not knowthat if you present yourselves
to anyone as obedient slaves,you are slaves of the one whom
you obey, either of sin, whichleads to death, or of obedience
which leads to righteousness.
But thanks be to God that you,who were once slaves of sin,
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have become obedient from theheart to the standard of
teaching to which you werecommitted and, having been set
free from sin, have becomeslaves of righteousness.
That's Romans, chapter 6,verses 15 through 18.
In Paul's analogy, we wereslaves to our sin and are now
slaves to Yahweh.
Yahweh set us free so we canserve him.
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We cannot serve our Lordwithout being free from our old
master, sin.
Interestingly, paul uses theword obedience here, just as he
did in our first seven verses ofRomans, describing the
obedience of faith, and thecontext is no different.
In verse 17, we read but thanksbe to God that you, who were
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once slaves of sin, have becomeobedient from the heart to the
standard of teaching to whichyou were committed.
This obedience from the heartis representing the obedience of
faith that was given to us atsalvation, that initial renewal
of our minds that opened oureyes and allowed us to see sin
how God sees it.
Do you understand what ablessing this is?
The law allowed Israel to seethe holiness of Yahweh, but kept
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them in a state of bondage totheir sin, according to
Galatians 3.22.
They were not set free from sin.
The law was a constant reminderof that, according to Hebrews
10.3.
Were the Gentiles who didn'thave the law in any better
position?
About the Gentiles, paul writesremember that you were at that
time separated from Christ,alienated from the commonwealth
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of Israel and strangers to thecovenants of promise, having no
hope and without God in theworld.
Ephesians, chapter 2.
I would say they were in nobetter position.
What a blessing to see sin howGod sees it, and what a blessing
to see ourselves how God seesus.
When I first realized just howright with God I was, I thought
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being called a saint was justabout the coolest thing ever.
Prior to this realization, thethought of ever being a saint
seemed about as close as theGentiles were to God before
Christ.
I mean, how does one earn sucha status?
We don't.
That's the beauty of it all.
Christ Yeshua earned it for us.
About this, paul wrote to theCorinthians or do you not know
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that your body is a temple ofthe Holy Spirit within you, whom
you have from God?
You are not your own, for youwere bought with a price, so
glorify God in your body.
1 Corinthians 6.19.
Sexual immorality was a problemin Corinth.
Despite this major issue, paulwas confident that the Lord was
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working in these people.
They were regarded as saints.
Paul's rebuke to them shows usanother part of the analogy of
being slaves to the Lord.
We were bought at a price, paulwrites.
We were set free by thesacrifice of Christ.
Our body is now a temple of hisspirit.
This is no small thing.
Think about the old covenant.
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Think about how holy the templeof God was.
The high priests had to gothrough great measures to
prepare themselves to go intothat inner room called the Holy
of Holies.
If anything wasn't right, theywould just drop dead.
We're free from all that.
We have the Spirit living in usnow, but think about the
significance of your body beingas holy as the temple of God was
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to Israel.
This works two ways.
You're holy to God now, andanyone messing with your temple
is messing with God.
According to 1 Corinthians 3.17, those who are killing
Christians in other countriesare essentially killing Christ
over and over, to their owndestruction, not his.
It is critical that we seeourselves as saints in order to
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understand just how holy we arewhen we disregard ourselves as
holy, and let to understand justhow holy we are when we
disregard ourselves as holy andlet sin reign in our members.
How do you think this will gofor us?
You are so incredibly holy nowthat sin is just not going to be
compatible with you.
When we use our holy bodies tosin, we're going to have trouble
.
The pieces just don't fittogether the way they seemed to
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before.
This is the defense mechanismthat we were given at salvation.
Sin is like a virus to us now.
What used to come so naturallyno longer comes so naturally to
us Even despite how easy it canbe to fall into.
The Holy Spirit is now actingas our immune system.
We can sin as much as we want.
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It's going to make us sick.
We're not going to be well.
The law did not help Israelovercome sin as a whole.
They would always default backto unfaithfulness.
Yahweh desired faith all along.
He can see the heart of man,according to 1 Samuel 16.7.
Rather than obsessing about oursin, our Heavenly Father gave
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us a much better focus His Son.
This was actually supposed tobe the focus all along, but
instead of humbling the peopleof Yahweh, the law created pride
and unfaithfulness in themasses.
God took that stumbling blockout of the way for us at the
cross and wiped it out at theparousia in AD 70.
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Paul told the saints in Rome betransformed by the renewing of
your minds.
Romans, chapter 12.
It's that mind renewal that wereceived at salvation.
Christ Yeshua paid the priceand we need him.
He's counseling us now by hisspirit that's living in us.
So how do we keep focused onthat?
That's going to be differentfor everyone.
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We're free, so we have to callon the counselor for help with
that.
Discipline in this life is notautomated.
It doesn't happen all on itsown, and the knowledge we
receive at salvation will onlysustain us if we are guided by
it.
We are the temple of God nowand we were made to live by
grace and worship Yahweh.
He is not laying out rules andregulations for you anymore.
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You are free of that, but youcannot change for you anymore.
You are free of that, but youcannot change who you are.
You are holy now and livinglike it is the key to peace in
your life and the key to wakingup to grace.
Discipline is good.
We need structure in our lives.
That's the way we're designed.
We don't need 613 commandmentsto worship our Lord.
We need desire.
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When you desire something, whatdo you do?
You find a way to make ithappen, don't you?
When you're lost and in need ofdirection, what do you do?
If you had a counselor, you'dgo to them, right?
Well, we do have a counselor.
God may also lead us to peoplewho we can confide in and work
through them to help usspiritually.
The Spirit must help us discernthese things.
If something great happens inyour life, what do you do?
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You want to express that joywith others?
Right, and we should also beconsidering giving thanks to our
Lord who made it all possible.
The apostles go as far as to bethankful for suffering because
they knew that God used that fortheir good.
I think it is extremelygratifying to look for what God
is doing in our lives and thelives of others through times of
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suffering.
I want you guys to be well awarethat I don't promote being free
in Christ as a means of havingno desire to live a holy life.
Just the opposite we are freeto serve and worship our Lord in
all kinds of ways.
There's nothing holding us back.
We can take things much deeperthan they do out there in
religion, because those systemsdon't create a sincere heart, we
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can let the spirit of god leadus all throughout our lives.
We don't have to go to churchto be holy to god.
We are the temple.
Those buildings are worthnothing if the things taking
place inside of them aren'tguiding us by grace or providing
a means of true spiritualgrowth.
You can't learn the deeperthings about grace from a
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teacher who has one foot out thedoor all the time telling you
to get right with God, andyou're out of fellowship with
God if you don't do this or youdo that.
That's cognitive dissonance,not grace.
If you listen to my podcastregularly, you already know that
people teaching Christians thatthey can be in and out of
fellowship with God is somethingthat I speak out against
regularly.
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I never really let it go whenthe topic comes up in
conversation.
There seems to be a mechanismin me that takes over my body
and causes me to correct theteaching.
It's uncontrollable.
If you hold to the concept ofbeing in and out of fellowship
with the Lord, you're going tofind yourself in and out of
fellowship with my podcast.
The gospel of grace brought usinto a perfect fellowship with
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God Not each other, but God.
Anyone that tells you differentis selling you something and
putting you into bondage, nomatter how pretty it looks on
the surface.
No matter how pretty it lookson the surface.
That's just not grace and itdoesn't set you free.
Those who teach those thingsmake themselves hypocrites
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before the church.
I really want you to noticesomething about Paul's letter to
the Romans as we go througheach verse throughout our study.
I want you to carefullyrecognize that Paul never once
tells a Christian that they areout of fellowship with God.
Recognize that Paul never oncetells a Christian that they are
out of fellowship with God.
That's because the wholepurpose of his gospel was to
bring us into an unbreakablefellowship with Yahweh.
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Paul's ministry was theministry of reconciliation, not
the ministry of self-cleansing.
That's something that was madeup along the way by religion.
We're supposed to believe that1 John 1-9 was written as
Christian instruction, when itwas actually written about the
Christ-rejecting Pharisees.
Sadly, most today superimpose awrong view of fellowship with
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God onto all of Scripture due tothis one passage the Gospel of
Christ Yeshua has brought thosewho believe into a perfect
fellowship with the Lord.
That's the difference betweenthe Old and the New Covenant.
When we try to carry over viewsfrom the Old Covenant into the
New One, we run into issues.
If you want to find theteaching of how to stay in
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fellowship with the Lord inPaul's writings, you'll have to
put that in there yourself.
Being in fellowship with God isthe place where a saint resides
and never leaves.
God doesn't turn away from thesaints.
Yahweh never turns his back onhis precious children.
It is when we fall into sinthat we might need him the most.
He may seem far away when we'reclosing our eyes, but he's
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always right there in yourtemple.
The God of the New Covenant isthe God of the Old Covenant.
Yahweh has been the same allalong.
It's those who believe in himthat have been changed.
Even the faithful under the OldCovenant were changed when
Christ Yeshua finished his work,but regeneration did not have
the same benefits under the OldCovenant before Christ.
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Before you get upset at me, letme bring a few questions to your
attention.
Before you get upset at me, letme bring a few questions to
your attention.
Was a single person before thecross crucified with Christ and
given his life, as we read inRomans 6, verse 6, and 2
Corinthians 5.17?
Was a single person before thecross of Christ called a new
creation, the way Paul describesin 2 Corinthians 5.17?
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.
Did a single person before thecross of Christ receive the Holy
Spirit and have that HolySpirit sealed for their
redemption, like we read inEphesians 4.30?
Was a single person reconciledto God before the cross, as we
read in Romans 5.10?
Had anyone ever been cleansedof all unrighteousness or been
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made perfect forever before thecross, the way we read in
Hebrews 10.14?
The answer to all of thesequestions is a great big no.
Prior to the cross andresurrection, saving faith
resided in what was coming, notwhat had already come, and what
was coming and not been givenduring the ministry of Yeshua.
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It began at Pentecost after thecross and resurrection and, if
we're paying attention, not allthe faithful received the Holy
Spirit right away.
We see examples of this in Acts.
One of these people was Simonthe Sorcerer.
They believed the gospel theway it was preached by John the
Baptist, but there was somethinglacking in the message or in
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the timing of the message.
The Spirit of God had not madeits dwelling in these people yet
.
They didn't know about the HolySpirit and therefore still had
Old Covenant faith.
That faith was salvation, butit was not reconciliation.
No person receivedreconciliation until they
received the Spirit of God.
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The New Covenant began at thecross.
The benefits of the NewCovenant were distributed after
the resurrection and fromPentecost on.
Christ defeated death and thusdistributed his life force to
the faithful, making themeternal beings.
A person was not reconciled toGod until they received the Holy
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Spirit.
Perfect fellowship did not existin oldvenant relationships with
Yahweh.
Sin would always get in the way.
Old Testament faith certainlyrequired a type of regeneration.
Faith had to be given, eyes hadto be opened.
The same spirit of God was atwork in those days, but it was
not doing the work it does inthe New Covenant.
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It was not making a permanentdwelling in the faithful.
The people under the OldCovenant did not have a
counselor living in and throughthem, guiding them daily,
unconditionally.
Their salvation did not includea perfect fellowship with
Yahweh.
They had a secure salvation,but their relationship with God
was hindered by sin.
A penalty always had to be paidfor sin.
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Anyone who reads the Sermon onthe Mount and goes on to believe
they can maintain fellowshipwith God through behavior is
lying to themselves and to thosewhom they impose this teaching
onto.
Grace is bigger than salvation.
If grace simply securedsalvation and we were in charge
of the rest.
Then what changed in our liveson earth Is the new covenant age
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of grace, an age where we nolonger need animal sacrifices,
but we still need toself-cleanse ourselves weekly,
daily, hourly, to be holy.
Did Christ die merely to saveanimals from being sacrificed so
we could cleanse ourselves atour own convenience, or was it
something bigger?
The Old Covenant believers weresaved by faith in what was
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coming, not what had come.
They had faith that they wouldbe reconciled to God by the
Messiah, not that they werereconciled.
Today we have faith in what hascome, as Paul writes to those
who are still abiding in the law, but now that faith has come,
we are no longer under aguardian Galatians 3.25.
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Is Paul saying that faithdidn't exist prior to Christ?
Not at all.
We receive by faith what theOld Testament believers waited
for.
By faith, they believed Godwould do it.
We believe God did do it.
An evangelical free church thatmy wife and I attended for a few
years never taught us that wewere saints.
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Instead, they focused onreminding us that we were
sinners saved by grace on aregular basis.
All I knew was that I was asinner.
The foundation of theirteaching was based around how to
change your life to please theLord, how to stay in fellowship
with the Lord.
Being out of fellowship wouldmean that the Lord has turned
his face away from you.
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Due to your sin, you are nolonger part of the relationship
and would have to earn your wayback in by earnestly begging for
forgiveness and correcting yourbehavior.
If you didn't correct yourbehavior, you were not serious
about your sin, and God wouldsee that, after all, he knows
the heart of man.
According to churches like these, fellowship with the Lord is
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earned by works.
In order to have a relationshipwith God, you had to behave
according to their rules.
If not, your relationship withYahweh is just in your
imagination.
Your prayers would be nothingmore than dust in the wind, and
you would receive no blessing inyour life.
Of course, the good behaviorrequired included some things
that pertain directly to theinstitution, such as giving a
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minimum of 10% of your income tothe church in the form of a
tithe, which was actually an oldcovenant law mandated to Israel
to support the Leviticalpriests who operated the temple.
That did not partake in theinheritance, and then a weekly
church attendance at a minimum,was also required in order to
consider yourself in fellowship.
The attitude of the institutionis, without the guidance of a
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certified pastor, to fact-checkyour belief system.
How could anyone ever understandwhat scripture means in order
to know how to behave as aChristian?
But why did the apostles teachthe opposite of this?
Peter wrote His divine powerhas granted to us all things
that pertain to life andgodliness through the knowledge
of him, who called us to his ownglory and excellence.
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2 Peter 1.3.
Then Paul wrote For the graceof God has appeared, bringing
salvation for all people,training us to renounce
ungodliness and worldly passionsand to live self-controlled,
upright and godly lives in thepresent age.
Titus 2.11.
Then John writes but you havebeen anointed by the Holy One
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and you all have knowledge.
I write to you not because youdon't know the truth, but
because you know it and becauseno lie is of the truth.
1 John 2 20.
It was because they understoodgrace that the apostles did not
teach that way.
It was because he understoodgrace that Paul didn't teach
that Christians can be out offellowship with God.
He knew what sin was and heknew that Christ made us right
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with God by his sacrifice, justlike we read in Hebrews 10.14,.
Paul also taught us to use ourfreedom for good.
And in Galatians he writes Ifwe live by the Spirit, let us
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also walk by the Spirit.
Galatians, he writes.
In other words, be guided bythe Counselor, seek his guidance
.
Then to the Ephesians, paulwrites and do not grieve the
Holy Spirit of God by whom youwere sealed for the day of
redemption.
In Ephesians 4.30, we see thatit's not just our spirit living
in us now, in union with the newspirit God gave us at salvation
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, the spirit of God also resideswithin us.
We read about this in Ezekiel36.26.
We are now guided by the lifeforce of Christ Yeshua.
So we should never be ignorantof this fact.
We should never strive toplease our Lord independent of
His guidance.
When we behave in unholy ways,we grieve the Spirit whom
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resides in our holy temple, ourbody.
Knowing that our spirit is inunion with the spirit of Yahweh,
we can conclude that we willgrieve ourselves as well.
When we turn to unholy ways inour lives or become self-seeking
rather than seeking our Lord'sdirection.
It can be easy to be afraid ofwhat the Lord might think
sometimes.
Have you ever been afraid toask him for his will to be done.
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We should fight this fear.
Christ wasn't afraid to makethat request, even in the face
of torture and death.
And look what resulted from hiscourage and dependency.
Death wasn't an issue that hisfather couldn't fix, was it?
In Matthew 6.19, yeshua says Donot lay up for yourselves
treasures on earth where mothand rust destroy and where
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thieves break in and steal, butlay up for yourselves treasures
in heaven where neither moth norrust destroys and where thieves
do not break in and steal, forwhere your treasure is, there
your heart will also be.
I'm not seeing this as aboutactual money.
I don't think Christ Yeshua dideither.
It's more about focus.
When we sin, we lose our focus.
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As saints, our life is Christ.
When you accepted Christ atsalvation, your focus was on Him
.
He had your full attention.
But then you have the wholerest of your life to go on
maintaining that focus.
This is impossible if we're notcalling on Yahweh for his help.
When we lose focus and startbuilding on sinful behavior, we
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no longer store up wrath fromGod.
He's reconciled our sin account, but he's also changed us.
This new self does not run wellwhen fueled by sin.
We run on a different fuel.
Now we were made to live forChrist, we will suffer from sin,
and there is no exception tothis rule.
Paul taught us to keep a clearconscience.
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He knew that this would lead tobearing much fruit in Christ.
In Acts 23 we read and lookingintently at the council, paul
said Brothers, I have lived mylife before God in all good
conscience up to this day.
When we read this, we mustunderstand that we can't go by
the statement let yourconscience be your guide.
You can't trust your conscienceunless it's been trained.
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Paul knew God well and livedhis life before God with a clear
conscience.
The Christ-rejecting Jews wantedPaul killed for his teaching,
but he knew he had done nothingwrong because his mind was
trained by truth.
It's critical to know that afresh start is always awaiting
us.
God is always there for us withopen arms.
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It doesn't matter how far we'vefallen.
We will always sufferconsequences for our poor
decisions in these mortal bodies.
We should always aim to keep aclear conscience in order to
keep our prayers from beinghindered, not because of
fellowship, but because of thedistraction of guilt and sin and
the energy we lose when weallow that into the members of
our holy temple, despite beliefsin error and despite behavior
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not always being in line withtheir holy identities.
Paul was always honest about whohis brothers and sisters were
in Christ, who they were to God.
Paul was always honest aboutwho his brothers and sisters
were in Christ, who they were toGod.
Paul was always honest abouthimself.
Are you being honest toyourself?
Are you being honest aboutyourself?
Are you being honest to others?
That's what I got for you guysfor today.
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Check it out and see all theverses referenced, and don't be
afraid to drop me a line thereand let me know what's on your
heart.
I'd love to hear from you guys.
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How does God see you right now?
How would Paul the Apostle seeyou right now?
How do you see you right now inyour relationship with God?
Are you a sinner or a saint?
The answer to all of thesequestions should be the same,
and Paul wanted the recipientsof his letters to know this
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important fact.
In the opening lines of Romans,paul reminds these Christians
of his identity as an apostle ofChrist and their identity as
believers in Christ.
Let's read our Romans passagesto start off this episode.
Romans, chapter 1, verses 1-7.
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle.
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set
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apart for the gospel of Godwhich he promised beforehand
through his prophets and theholy scriptures concerning his
son, who is descended from Davidaccording to the flesh and was
declared to be the Son of God inpower according to the Spirit
of holiness, by his resurrectionfrom the dead.
Jesus Christ, our Lord, throughwhom we have received grace and
apostleship, to bring about theobedience of faith, for the
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sake of his name, among all thenations, including you, who are
called to belong to Jesus Christ, to all those in Rome who are
loved by God and called to besaints.
Grace to you and peace from God, our Father and the Lord Jesus
Christ.
If you keep up with my podcast,you might remember me saying
that we would be moving on fromthe first seven passages of
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Paul's letter to the Romans.
Well, it looks like God hadsomething different in mind for
me.
A few days after I said that,it came to my realization that I
missed a major topic.
Paul wrote this as well asother letters to the saints.
This is no small detail to beaware of, so I had to talk about
it.
Some people feel a little funnyusing the word saint to describe
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themselves or others.
I would imagine this mostlycomes from the Catholic usage of
the word.
The Catholic religion hasturned the status of saint into
an achievement, an achievementthat is always going to be far
out of your reach.
You have to be legendary to getthis title.
Protestant religion is not muchbetter here.
The identity most carry in theProtestant religion is sinner
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saved by grace.
When we read scripture forourselves, though, we find
something very peculiar.
Paul refers to everyone whobelieves as saints, even those
who are struggling with sin intheir lives, even those
struggling with false doctrine.
To Paul, anyone who hasbelieved and received Christ has
been awarded the title of saint, the identity of saint.
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I think that's all the morereason to use it in its proper
context.
When you believed in Jesus atsalvation, you became a saint.
That means you no longeridentify as sinner to the Lord
of Lords, and it's how he seesus that really matters.
It's not what we hear out therein religion that actually
defines us.
By definition, a saint is aperson who is holy to God.
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We see the term used in the OldTestament to describe the
faithful as well.
It was never used to describethe unfaithful of Israel.
This is a major clue about theremnant of Israel that served by
faith.
Not all of nation Israel wereconsidered saints.
It was only those who believedin the Lord by faith.
In the ESV Bible translation,the term saint is used about 21
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times in the Old Testament,which represents the first three
quarters of our Bible.
In the New Testament ESVtranslation, we see the term
saint 61 times.
Proportionally, the term saintis used about 75% of the time in
the last 25% of our Bibles.
All who receive Christ by faithare now called saints or God's
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holy people.
What was once a remnant ofnation Israel has become every
person in the body of Christ.
Think about that for a minute.
The biggest problem we facetoday is that our identity has
been hidden away by bad doctrineand nobody's really looking for
the truth.
They're looking to be fed bywhat we see as the professionals
of our day, not the Holy Spiritwho was given to us for
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counseling.
It seems there will always be aremnant.
The remnant of our day arethose who actually understand
the grace they've been given andthus can live a life guided by
that grace.
The idea that you are a saintcan sound really confusing at
first.
If you're new to the concept,you might say I'm certainly not
a saint.
I still struggle with sin in mylife.
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But when your heavenly fathertells you who you are, are you
going to argue with him?
It's not as if God Most Highhas somehow become blind to your
behavior.
It's that he has changed whoyou are.
You can now say that you're asaint who struggles with sin at
times.
But knowing you are a sainttells you that you have a much
higher calling than a sinner.
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There's something about youthat's very different.
Sin no longer makes sense to asaint.
Sin no longer benefits a saint.
Sin is going to trouble a saintand cause problems in their
lives.
A saint can still sin, but theyhave a new master and a renewed
mind.
When we were regenerated atsalvation, we saw sin the way
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God sees it.
We can't unsee that.
We can try to ignore it, but wecan't unsee it, and the Spirit
of God will bring these thingsto our remembrance.
Yahweh has set us free from thebondage of sin.
Each and every one of us hasracked up more sin debt than we
could ever pay back to our MostHoly God.
He wiped all that out for youat the cross and promised to
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stop counting sin against youany longer.
As Paul described in 2Corinthians 5.19,.
He even killed your old selfand made you a whole new
creation, according to Romans6.6 and 2 Corinthians 5.17.
So, now that our slate is clean,shall we continue to sin?
Paul asks this same questionfor the sake of the saints in
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Rome.
What then, are we to sinbecause we are not under law but
under grace?
By no means Do you not knowthat if you present yourselves
to anyone as obedient slaves,you are slaves of the one whom
you obey, either of sin, whichleads to death, or of obedience
which leads to righteousness.
But thanks be to God that you,who were once slaves of sin,
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have become obedient from theheart to the standard of
teaching to which you werecommitted and, having been set
free from sin, have becomeslaves of righteousness.
That's Romans, chapter 6,verses 15 through 18.
In Paul's analogy, we wereslaves to our sin and are now
slaves to Yahweh.
Yahweh set us free so we canserve him.
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We cannot serve our Lordwithout being free from our old
master, sin.
Interestingly, paul uses theword obedience here, just as he
did in our first seven verses ofRomans, describing the
obedience of faith, and thecontext is no different.
In verse 17, we read but thanksbe to God that you, who were
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once slaves of sin, have becomeobedient from the heart to the
standard of teaching to whichyou were committed.
This obedience from the heartis representing the obedience of
faith that was given to us atsalvation, that initial renewal
of our minds that opened oureyes and allowed us to see sin
how God sees it.
Do you understand what ablessing this is?
The law allowed Israel to seethe holiness of Yahweh, but kept
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them in a state of bondage totheir sin, according to
Galatians 3.22.
They were not set free from sin.
The law was a constant reminderof that, according to Hebrews
10.3.
Were the Gentiles who didn'thave the law in any better
position?
About the Gentiles, paul writesremember that you were at that
time separated from Christ,alienated from the commonwealth
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of Israel and strangers to thecovenants of promise, having no
hope and without God in theworld.
Ephesians, chapter 2.
I would say they were in nobetter position.
What a blessing to see sin howGod sees it, and what a blessing
to see ourselves how God seesus.
When I first realized just howright with God I was, I thought
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being called a saint was justabout the coolest thing ever.
Prior to this realization, thethought of ever being a saint
seemed about as close as theGentiles were to God before
Christ.
I mean, how does one earn sucha status?
We don't.
That's the beauty of it all.
Christ Yeshua earned it for us.
About this, paul wrote to theCorinthians or do you not know
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that your body is a temple ofthe Holy Spirit within you, whom
you have from God?
You are not your own, for youwere bought with a price, so
glorify God in your body.
1 Corinthians 6.19.
Sexual immorality was a problemin Corinth.
Despite this major issue, paulwas confident that the Lord was
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working in these people.
They were regarded as saints.
Paul's rebuke to them shows usanother part of the analogy of
being slaves to the Lord.
We were bought at a price, paulwrites.
We were set free by thesacrifice of Christ.
Our body is now a temple of hisspirit.
This is no small thing.
Think about the old covenant.
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Think about how holy the templeof God was.
The high priests had to gothrough great measures to
prepare themselves to go intothat inner room called the Holy
of Holies.
If anything wasn't right, theywould just drop dead.
We're free from all that.
We have the Spirit living in usnow, but think about the
significance of your body beingas holy as the temple of God was
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to Israel.
This works two ways.
You're holy to God now, andanyone messing with your temple
is messing with God.
According to 1 Corinthians 3.17, those who are killing
Christians in other countriesare essentially killing Christ
over and over, to their owndestruction, not his.
It is critical that we seeourselves as saints in order to
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understand just how holy we arewhen we disregard ourselves as
holy, and let to understand justhow holy we are when we
disregard ourselves as holy andlet sin reign in our members.
How do you think this will gofor us?
You are so incredibly holy nowthat sin is just not going to be
compatible with you.
When we use our holy bodies tosin, we're going to have trouble
.
The pieces just don't fittogether the way they seemed to
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before.
This is the defense mechanismthat we were given at salvation.
Sin is like a virus to us now.
What used to come so naturallyno longer comes so naturally to
us Even despite how easy it canbe to fall into.
The Holy Spirit is now actingas our immune system.
We can sin as much as we want.
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It's going to make us sick.
We're not going to be well.
The law did not help Israelovercome sin as a whole.
They would always default backto unfaithfulness.
Yahweh desired faith all along.
He can see the heart of man,according to 1 Samuel 16.7.
Rather than obsessing about oursin, our Heavenly Father gave
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us a much better focus His Son.
This was actually supposed tobe the focus all along, but
instead of humbling the peopleof Yahweh, the law created pride
and unfaithfulness in themasses.
God took that stumbling blockout of the way for us at the
cross and wiped it out at theparousia in AD 70.
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Paul told the saints in Rome betransformed by the renewing of
your minds.
Romans, chapter 12.
It's that mind renewal that wereceived at salvation.
Christ Yeshua paid the priceand we need him.
He's counseling us now by hisspirit that's living in us.
So how do we keep focused onthat?
That's going to be differentfor everyone.
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We're free, so we have to callon the counselor for help with
that.
Discipline in this life is notautomated.
It doesn't happen all on itsown, and the knowledge we
receive at salvation will onlysustain us if we are guided by
it.
We are the temple of God nowand we were made to live by
grace and worship Yahweh.
He is not laying out rules andregulations for you anymore.
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You are free of that, but youcannot change for you anymore.
You are free of that, but youcannot change who you are.
You are holy now and livinglike it is the key to peace in
your life and the key to wakingup to grace.
Discipline is good.
We need structure in our lives.
That's the way we're designed.
We don't need 613 commandmentsto worship our Lord.
We need desire.
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When you desire something, whatdo you do?
You find a way to make ithappen, don't you?
When you're lost and in need ofdirection, what do you do?
If you had a counselor, you'dgo to them, right?
Well, we do have a counselor.
God may also lead us to peoplewho we can confide in and work
through them to help usspiritually.
The Spirit must help us discernthese things.
If something great happens inyour life, what do you do?
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You want to express that joywith others?
Right, and we should also beconsidering giving thanks to our
Lord who made it all possible.
The apostles go as far as to bethankful for suffering because
they knew that God used that fortheir good.
I think it is extremelygratifying to look for what God
is doing in our lives and thelives of others through times of
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suffering.
I want you guys to be well awarethat I don't promote being free
in Christ as a means of havingno desire to live a holy life.
Just the opposite we are freeto serve and worship our Lord in
all kinds of ways.
There's nothing holding us back.
We can take things much deeperthan they do out there in
religion, because those systemsdon't create a sincere heart, we
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can let the spirit of god leadus all throughout our lives.
We don't have to go to churchto be holy to god.
We are the temple.
Those buildings are worthnothing if the things taking
place inside of them aren'tguiding us by grace or providing
a means of true spiritualgrowth.
You can't learn the deeperthings about grace from a
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teacher who has one foot out thedoor all the time telling you
to get right with God, andyou're out of fellowship with
God if you don't do this or youdo that.
That's cognitive dissonance,not grace.
If you listen to my podcastregularly, you already know that
people teaching Christians thatthey can be in and out of
fellowship with God is somethingthat I speak out against
regularly.
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I never really let it go whenthe topic comes up in
conversation.
There seems to be a mechanismin me that takes over my body
and causes me to correct theteaching.
It's uncontrollable.
If you hold to the concept ofbeing in and out of fellowship
with the Lord, you're going tofind yourself in and out of
fellowship with my podcast.
The gospel of grace brought usinto a perfect fellowship with
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God Not each other, but God.
Anyone that tells you differentis selling you something and
putting you into bondage, nomatter how pretty it looks on
the surface.
No matter how pretty it lookson the surface.
That's just not grace and itdoesn't set you free.
Those who teach those thingsmake themselves hypocrites
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before the church.
I really want you to noticesomething about Paul's letter to
the Romans as we go througheach verse throughout our study.
I want you to carefullyrecognize that Paul never once
tells a Christian that they areout of fellowship with God.
Recognize that Paul never oncetells a Christian that they are
out of fellowship with God.
That's because the wholepurpose of his gospel was to
bring us into an unbreakablefellowship with Yahweh.
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Paul's ministry was theministry of reconciliation, not
the ministry of self-cleansing.
That's something that was madeup along the way by religion.
We're supposed to believe that1 John 1-9 was written as
Christian instruction, when itwas actually written about the
Christ-rejecting Pharisees.
Sadly, most today superimpose awrong view of fellowship with
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God onto all of Scripture due tothis one passage the Gospel of
Christ Yeshua has brought thosewho believe into a perfect
fellowship with the Lord.
That's the difference betweenthe Old and the New Covenant.
When we try to carry over viewsfrom the Old Covenant into the
New One, we run into issues.
If you want to find theteaching of how to stay in
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fellowship with the Lord inPaul's writings, you'll have to
put that in there yourself.
Being in fellowship with God isthe place where a saint resides
and never leaves.
God doesn't turn away from thesaints.
Yahweh never turns his back onhis precious children.
It is when we fall into sinthat we might need him the most.
He may seem far away when we'reclosing our eyes, but he's
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always right there in yourtemple.
The God of the New Covenant isthe God of the Old Covenant.
Yahweh has been the same allalong.
It's those who believe in himthat have been changed.
Even the faithful under the OldCovenant were changed when
Christ Yeshua finished his work,but regeneration did not have
the same benefits under the OldCovenant before Christ.
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Before you get upset at me, letme bring a few questions to your
attention.
Before you get upset at me, letme bring a few questions to
your attention.
Was a single person before thecross crucified with Christ and
given his life, as we read inRomans 6, verse 6, and 2
Corinthians 5.17?
Was a single person before thecross of Christ called a new
creation, the way Paul describesin 2 Corinthians 5.17?
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.
Did a single person before thecross of Christ receive the Holy
Spirit and have that HolySpirit sealed for their
redemption, like we read inEphesians 4.30?
Was a single person reconciledto God before the cross, as we
read in Romans 5.10?
Had anyone ever been cleansedof all unrighteousness or been
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made perfect forever before thecross, the way we read in
Hebrews 10.14?
The answer to all of thesequestions is a great big no.
Prior to the cross andresurrection, saving faith
resided in what was coming, notwhat had already come, and what
was coming and not been givenduring the ministry of Yeshua.
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It began at Pentecost after thecross and resurrection and, if
we're paying attention, not allthe faithful received the Holy
Spirit right away.
We see examples of this in Acts.
One of these people was Simonthe Sorcerer.
They believed the gospel theway it was preached by John the
Baptist, but there was somethinglacking in the message or in
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the timing of the message.
The Spirit of God had not madeits dwelling in these people yet
.
They didn't know about the HolySpirit and therefore still had
Old Covenant faith.
That faith was salvation, butit was not reconciliation.
No person receivedreconciliation until they
received the Spirit of God.
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The New Covenant began at thecross.
The benefits of the NewCovenant were distributed after
the resurrection and fromPentecost on.
Christ defeated death and thusdistributed his life force to
the faithful, making themeternal beings.
A person was not reconciled toGod until they received the Holy
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Spirit.
Perfect fellowship did not existin oldvenant relationships with
Yahweh.
Sin would always get in the way.
Old Testament faith certainlyrequired a type of regeneration.
Faith had to be given, eyes hadto be opened.
The same spirit of God was atwork in those days, but it was
not doing the work it does inthe New Covenant.
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It was not making a permanentdwelling in the faithful.
The people under the OldCovenant did not have a
counselor living in and throughthem, guiding them daily,
unconditionally.
Their salvation did not includea perfect fellowship with
Yahweh.
They had a secure salvation,but their relationship with God
was hindered by sin.
A penalty always had to be paidfor sin.
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Anyone who reads the Sermon onthe Mount and goes on to believe
they can maintain fellowshipwith God through behavior is
lying to themselves and to thosewhom they impose this teaching
onto.
Grace is bigger than salvation.
If grace simply securedsalvation and we were in charge
of the rest.
Then what changed in our liveson earth Is the new covenant age
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of grace, an age where we nolonger need animal sacrifices,
but we still need toself-cleanse ourselves weekly,
daily, hourly, to be holy.
Did Christ die merely to saveanimals from being sacrificed so
we could cleanse ourselves atour own convenience, or was it
something bigger?
The Old Covenant believers weresaved by faith in what was
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coming, not what had come.
They had faith that they wouldbe reconciled to God by the
Messiah, not that they werereconciled.
Today we have faith in what hascome, as Paul writes to those
who are still abiding in the law, but now that faith has come,
we are no longer under aguardian Galatians 3.25.
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Is Paul saying that faithdidn't exist prior to Christ?
Not at all.
We receive by faith what theOld Testament believers waited
for.
By faith, they believed Godwould do it.
We believe God did do it.
An evangelical free church thatmy wife and I attended for a few
years never taught us that wewere saints.
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Instead, they focused onreminding us that we were
sinners saved by grace on aregular basis.
All I knew was that I was asinner.
The foundation of theirteaching was based around how to
change your life to please theLord, how to stay in fellowship
with the Lord.
Being out of fellowship wouldmean that the Lord has turned
his face away from you.
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Due to your sin, you are nolonger part of the relationship
and would have to earn your wayback in by earnestly begging for
forgiveness and correcting yourbehavior.
If you didn't correct yourbehavior, you were not serious
about your sin, and God wouldsee that, after all, he knows
the heart of man.
According to churches like these, fellowship with the Lord is
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earned by works.
In order to have a relationshipwith God, you had to behave
according to their rules.
If not, your relationship withYahweh is just in your
imagination.
Your prayers would be nothingmore than dust in the wind, and
you would receive no blessing inyour life.
Of course, the good behaviorrequired included some things
that pertain directly to theinstitution, such as giving a
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minimum of 10% of your income tothe church in the form of a
tithe, which was actually an oldcovenant law mandated to Israel
to support the Leviticalpriests who operated the temple.
That did not partake in theinheritance, and then a weekly
church attendance at a minimum,was also required in order to
consider yourself in fellowship.
The attitude of the institutionis, without the guidance of a
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certified pastor, to fact-checkyour belief system.
How could anyone ever understandwhat scripture means in order
to know how to behave as aChristian?
But why did the apostles teachthe opposite of this?
Peter wrote His divine powerhas granted to us all things
that pertain to life andgodliness through the knowledge
of him, who called us to his ownglory and excellence.
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2 Peter 1.3.
Then Paul wrote For the graceof God has appeared, bringing
salvation for all people,training us to renounce
ungodliness and worldly passionsand to live self-controlled,
upright and godly lives in thepresent age.
Titus 2.11.
Then John writes but you havebeen anointed by the Holy One
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and you all have knowledge.
I write to you not because youdon't know the truth, but
because you know it and becauseno lie is of the truth.
1 John 2 20.
It was because they understoodgrace that the apostles did not
teach that way.
It was because he understoodgrace that Paul didn't teach
that Christians can be out offellowship with God.
He knew what sin was and heknew that Christ made us right
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with God by his sacrifice, justlike we read in Hebrews 10.14,.
Paul also taught us to use ourfreedom for good.
And in Galatians he writes Ifwe live by the Spirit, let us
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also walk by the Spirit.
Galatians, he writes.
In other words, be guided bythe Counselor, seek his guidance
.
Then to the Ephesians, paulwrites and do not grieve the
Holy Spirit of God by whom youwere sealed for the day of
redemption.
In Ephesians 4.30, we see thatit's not just our spirit living
in us now, in union with the newspirit God gave us at salvation
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, the spirit of God also resideswithin us.
We read about this in Ezekiel36.26.
We are now guided by the lifeforce of Christ Yeshua.
So we should never be ignorantof this fact.
We should never strive toplease our Lord independent of
His guidance.
When we behave in unholy ways,we grieve the Spirit whom
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resides in our holy temple, ourbody.
Knowing that our spirit is inunion with the spirit of Yahweh,
we can conclude that we willgrieve ourselves as well.
When we turn to unholy ways inour lives or become self-seeking
rather than seeking our Lord'sdirection.
It can be easy to be afraid ofwhat the Lord might think
sometimes.
Have you ever been afraid toask him for his will to be done.
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We should fight this fear.
Christ wasn't afraid to makethat request, even in the face
of torture and death.
And look what resulted from hiscourage and dependency.
Death wasn't an issue that hisfather couldn't fix, was it?
In Matthew 6.19, yeshua says Donot lay up for yourselves
treasures on earth where mothand rust destroy and where
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thieves break in and steal, butlay up for yourselves treasures
in heaven where neither moth norrust destroys and where thieves
do not break in and steal, forwhere your treasure is, there
your heart will also be.
I'm not seeing this as aboutactual money.
I don't think Christ Yeshua dideither.
It's more about focus.
When we sin, we lose our focus.
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As saints, our life is Christ.
When you accepted Christ atsalvation, your focus was on Him
.
He had your full attention.
But then you have the wholerest of your life to go on
maintaining that focus.
This is impossible if we're notcalling on Yahweh for his help.
When we lose focus and startbuilding on sinful behavior, we
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no longer store up wrath fromGod.
He's reconciled our sin account, but he's also changed us.
This new self does not run wellwhen fueled by sin.
We run on a different fuel.
Now we were made to live forChrist, we will suffer from sin,
and there is no exception tothis rule.
Paul taught us to keep a clearconscience.
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He knew that this would lead tobearing much fruit in Christ.
In Acts 23 we read and lookingintently at the council, paul
said Brothers, I have lived mylife before God in all good
conscience up to this day.
When we read this, we mustunderstand that we can't go by
the statement let yourconscience be your guide.
You can't trust your conscienceunless it's been trained.
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Paul knew God well and livedhis life before God with a clear
conscience.
The Christ-rejecting Jews wantedPaul killed for his teaching,
but he knew he had done nothingwrong because his mind was
trained by truth.
It's critical to know that afresh start is always awaiting
us.
God is always there for us withopen arms.
(27:37):
It doesn't matter how far we'vefallen.
We will always sufferconsequences for our poor
decisions in these mortal bodies.
We should always aim to keep aclear conscience in order to
keep our prayers from beinghindered, not because of
fellowship, but because of thedistraction of guilt and sin and
the energy we lose when weallow that into the members of
our holy temple, despite beliefsin error and despite behavior
(27:58):
not always being in line withtheir holy identities.
Paul was always honest about whohis brothers and sisters were
in Christ, who they were to God.
Paul was always honest aboutwho his brothers and sisters
were in Christ, who they were toGod.
Paul was always honest abouthimself.
Are you being honest toyourself?
Are you being honest aboutyourself?
Are you being honest to others?
That's what I got for you guysfor today.
Notes on this episode can befound on my episode page at
(28:20):
wakinguptogracecom.
I have a link to that page inthe episode description section
of this podcast for quicknavigation.
Check it out and see all theverses referenced, and don't be
afraid to drop me a line thereand let me know what's on your
heart.
I'd love to hear from you guys.
May God bless your week untilthe next time.
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