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October 14, 2025 52 mins

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What happens when a church reaches the end of its life cycle? Is it possible for something new—and truly alive—to emerge from what was? In this episode, hosts Dyke McCord and Rebecca Hott sit down with authors and consultants Dan Turner and Greg Wiens to talk about their powerful book, Dying to Restart. With decades of experience helping churches navigate decline and rediscover mission, Greg and Dan share practical wisdom, real-life stories, and a bold vision for what it means to “let a church die” so it can live again. If you’re a church leader wrestling with plateau or decline, this conversation will challenge and encourage you toward courageous, Spirit-led renewal.

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