August 6, 2025 • 26 mins
In this episode of the What's Going On podcast, hosts Thomas Corley, Keith Pickens, and Michael Miller engage in an animated discussion about legendary Detroit sports figures, including Tommy Hitman Hearns, Willie Horton, and Dave Bing. They debate the toughest sport, considering contenders like boxing, football, and triathlons. The conversation turns to contemporary issues, focusing on the impact and fairness of transgender athletes competing in gender-specific categories. This episode mixes nostalgia, sports admiration, and hot-button topics in a barbershop-style conversation.
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(00:01):
In this episode, Mike MillerKeith, Pickens and Tom engaged
in a lively discussion aboutlegendary Detroit sports
figures, including Tommy HitmanHearns, Willie Horton, and Dave
Bing.
They also delve into a debate onwhich sport is the toughest with
contenders, including boxing,football, and triathlon.
(00:23):
The conversation takes a turntowards contemporary issues in
sports, such as the impact andfairness of transgender athletes
competing in gender specificcategories.
This episode brings barbershopstyle, real talk to the
forefront, blending nostalgia,sports admiration, and hot
button topics.
I'm Thomas Corley with KeithPickens and Michael Miller.
(00:45):
This is the What's Going Onpodcast.
Thank you for listening.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (00:49):
what's going on?
Mike Miller?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (00:51):
Hey there, Keith.
Oh, golly.
See, I started off went wrongalready.
I said
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (00:56):
Wait.
He threw
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (00:57):
Keith.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (00:58):
Hey.
He threw you a curve ballthough, no pun intended.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (01:00):
I was sitting there looking at
Keith and To the Tom.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (01:03):
He threw you a curve ball?
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (01:04):
Hey, did All right.
Here we go.
Start over.
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (01:08):
What's going on?
Keith Pickens.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (01:10):
Hey.
What's going on tc?
What's up, Mike?
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (01:12):
Hey, Keith.
Hey, Tom.
How you guys
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (01:15):
Good.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (01:15):
Good.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (01:16):
So you didn't like that curve ball
threw at you, huh?
Mike?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (01:19):
I wasn't ready for that
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (01:20):
That plays right into our
conversation of sports today.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (01:23):
Mike said it was always age before
beauty.
Now you threw the beauty beforeage in there that just messed
everything up.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (01:30):
Get outta here.
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (01:32):
so we had a week off, because I was
not feeling great, but we alsohad a strategy meeting, so that
kind of worked out for us.
This week we said let's makethis a barbershop type real talk
conversation.
I presented to you guys beforeour session.
A question in Detroit Sports,who is your person?
(01:57):
Go with you, Mike Miller.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (01:59):
It is hard to pick a person.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (02:01):
It
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (02:01):
You know what?
It could because a generational,it's a generational situation.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (02:06):
I mean
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (02:06):
Not only that, it is several sports.
michael-miller_1_08-04 (02:10):
Correct.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (02:10):
We are sports towns.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (02:12):
That's right.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (02:13):
And we've had many great sports
figures that we can say, oh,this is my favorite.
I'm gonna say Tommy Hitman.
Hearns.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (02:19):
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (02:20):
That's
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (02:20):
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (02:21):
The Hitman.
thomas-corley_1_08-0 (02:21):
Definitely a good one.
michael-miller_1_08-04- (02:23):
Anybody else, the Willie Mays, the
Curtis Rose I say Willie MaysWillie Horton,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (02:28):
right?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (02:29):
Curtis Rowe, and of course Isaiah for
the Pistons.
I'm going even back to Dave Lan.
I used to love Bob
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (02:35):
Same here.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (02:36):
that.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (02:38):
Dave Bing was my guy.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (02:39):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (02:40):
Okay.
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (02:41):
this is the only town.
Of the country that, that hadeach major sport, NHL be
M-L-B-N-F-L-N-B-A, where theyall had their own arena.
A lot of towns can't say that,can't say that their major
sports teams had their ownvenue.
Because of ownership changes andthings of that nature.
(03:04):
It's a consolidation of arenas.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (03:07):
Right.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (03:07):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04- (03:08):
They're typically all in the same
vicinity now.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (03:10):
Yeah.
That means a lot.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (03:12):
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (03:13):
It does.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (03:14):
So what do you say, Keith?
Who is your person?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (03:17):
Oh, my guy is,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (03:18):
I.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_1 (03:19):
a guy that is going to age me, or
it takes me all the way back.
As a matter of fact, this guy isresponsible for my passion for
baseball.
Willie Horton is my guy.
We're going way back to 67 68.
He made a great impression on ayoung kid in terms of having
somebody who looks like me be sosuccessful.
(03:40):
I could, I could run off thestats for that year.
Yeah, that, and he still and tothis day, I think he was born in
42, if I'm not mistaken, but tothis day, he's still an honorary
tiger.
He's at all of the games andhe's represented, they've got a
statue of him outside of,comerica.
So that's my guy.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (03:59):
Okay.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (03:59):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (04:00):
Yeah, I was curious too, that you said
when you said Willie Horton, Iwas like, is that somebody you
could run the stats for?
And you said you could.
So that's interesting.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (04:11):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (04:13):
Do you have a favorite time?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (04:15):
I don't have a favorite.
I just have a person
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (04:19):
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (04:20):
I'm tied to memories with this
person, And that would be DaveBing.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (04:25):
Oh
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (04:25):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (04:26):
You go.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (04:27):
Number 21, right?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (04:28):
yeah, my stepfather was a big sports
fan for the city.
We, before the picture andpicture TVs, he would have a 13
inch sitting on top of a 20inch.
One sport going while the othersport was gone.
And then, whichever one it washis favorite or whichever one
was going in the rightdirection.
Got the main screen and yeah, hewas a big sports fan.
(04:50):
And then him and his buddies.
We were always down at COBOHall, during the piston games,
when he married my mom, I got achance to go to a couple of
those games to see the intensityof, a professional basketball
game At the old COBOL HallArena.
The fact that he became mayor ofthe city was something big too.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (05:09):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (05:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (05:11):
If I had to choose, he would've
been my guy for basketball forsure,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (05:14):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (05:15):
again, he was somebody that made an
impression on me at a young age,Because I aspired to play
sports, baseball in particular,but sports, period.
I love sports even to today.
he was somebody that representedus well, when I say us, our
culture.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (05:30):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (05:30):
Very well in terms of his
professionalism, but not onlythat, he was a great player.
Dave Bing would've been my guyif we were talking specifically
about basketball.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (05:40):
Would he be your guy overall?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_1 (05:42):
I think because it takes me back,
it is a nostalgic point.
It takes me back to a time whenthings were a lot more simple
for me as a kid.
Of course, how could you notlove Isaiah Thomas?
And there are some people whodon't, I think Isaiah was a
great basketball player andsomebody during his time that I
really admired Chauncey Billups.
(06:02):
But yeah, I think if I had topose a question and you
specifically said, who was yourfavorite Detroit basketball
sports figure, I would've saidDave B.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (06:12):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (06:13):
Yep.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (06:13):
Mike, who would you say as far as your
overall athlete?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (06:17):
O overall athlete.
Wow.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (06:20):
Yeah while you think about it, I'm
gonna say,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (06:22):
that's a.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (06:23):
I'm gonna say Arthur Ashe.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (06:25):
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (06:27):
Yeah, I'm gonna say Arthur Ashe.
'cause he was a classy guy Iloved tennis when I was growing
up.
It was a big thing.
He was the first to represent uson a real national, big national
scale.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (06:39):
Yeah,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (06:39):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (06:40):
the guy that I would've looked at,
he floated like a butterfly andhe stung like a bee Because what
he did during that time, I wasjust reading something recently.
Actually I saw a YouTube video,the guy was interviewing him and
he was trying to throw him curveballs and he kept bringing it
back to the fact that, I do whatI do and I support what I
support because.
For people who look like me,it's important to, have a
(07:02):
positive mindset, to have,positive examples.
He honored, he was obviously amember of the Nation of Islam.
And the honorable ElijahMuhammad was somebody that he
was a student of, thatinterview, and I'll share it
with you guys.
I think I can find it onYouTube.
It was such a great interview,but he was somebody that I
admired.
If I'd have taken up boxing, itwould've been to mimic
(07:23):
everything that he did.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (07:25):
Wow.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (07:25):
And I'm gonna say, when you say
overall athlete, just athlete,right now, what comes to mind is
Michael Jordan, as far all therunning and jumping, that you
have to do in basketball.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (07:41):
That your answer.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (07:42):
That's not my answer.
When you, the amount of runningthat you have to do 48 minutes
of, going back and forth down ahardwood floor.
Your knees are really not madefor that.
All of the running and jumpingand the way he kept himself
together athletically, michaelJordan was a very good athlete.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (07:57):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (07:58):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (07:58):
yeah, but I really have to think on
that a little bit more.
Overall athlete, but right nowcomes to mind, I'm gonna say
Jordan.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:05):
Yeah.
So to tie in or the lead in forthat, since Mike was leading up
to it what's your opinion?
Because I don't think we wannahave a right answer here.
It's debatable.
The question I'm about to ask,But what's the toughest sport
for an athlete?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (08:20):
Are we including the decathlon
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:23):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (08:24):
and all that?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:25):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (08:25):
He said sport.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (08:27):
Yep.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (08:28):
That's
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:28):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (08:28):
yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (08:29):
I'm going to, go out and say boxing.
But I have a runner up.
But boxing is'cause you as amale I am sure it's the same way
with females, but I've beenspeaking from a male
perspective.
When you got another manweighing 200 pounds, I'm
speaking heavyweight, Wailing onyou
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (08:47):
right.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (08:47):
for however long those rounds go,
three minute rounds or whateverthey are.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (08:51):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (08:52):
And you go up to 12 rounds or
something like that that's alot.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (08:56):
That is,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:56):
would have to be the toughest sport,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (08:58):
i'm gonna interject in that.
I'm gonna really play off ofwhat you said.
I'm gonna say football Andhockey is a tough sport, but
football,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (09:06):
Yes.
Hockey's tough.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (09:07):
200, 250, 270 pound pounding on each
other, think football.
When you have 300 pound guysrunning, 4, 6, 4, 4, 7.
Whatever they're quick andthey're strong.
They're gladiators, man.
They're modern day gladiators,and these guys do it.
You got offense and you gotdefense side of the ball.
So you got, you certainlycouldn't play both sides of the
(09:29):
ball.
You, nobody could endure that.
But the pounding that they take,how fast they, and today's
athletes are, in my opinion,even far more superior in a lot
of ways on average than theathletes of all.
When you have these guys goingup against each other in battle,
constantly play after play.
I think about those guys like arunning back who has to endure
(09:52):
the pounding, but if he breaksfree, he may have to run 70, 80
yards.
Think about this.
70 or 80 yards is what?
270 yards is what?
210 feet?
Something like
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (10:05):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (10:05):
Like that.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (10:05):
It was thinking about, you know how
I used to try to run a hundredyard dash when I was young and
how that was nothing.
Then I looked at a footballfield the other day.
I was actually at the Lionstraining camp, and I looked at
how big that field is I said toTiffany, these guys have to run
a hundred yards.
I do good to run 20, 30 yardstoday.
Because it's just so grueling.
(10:27):
The whistle is short.
You know what I'm saying?
The play is over.
Unless they take a timeout,you're back to it.
And so I agree that boxing is areally tough physical sport, but
I think football even takes alittle bit more.
They pound each other day in,and they play every week
essentially, boxing, you canschedule a match, whenever you
get ready, really,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (10:48):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (10:48):
You don't see'em fight 3, 4, 5 times
in a year,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (10:51):
No.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (10:52):
So not to disparage what you say or
to discount what you're saying,but if it were me, if it my, in
my opinion, I would saycertainly football.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (10:59):
Yeah.
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (11:00):
I tend to agree the linemen on the
football field take the mostgruesome pounding.
And they have to do it everyweek you said, I'm gonna agree
with the football, but Wow.
When you think about it, boxing.
You can only fight once a year.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (11:18):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (11:19):
I didn't think of it that way
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (11:21):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (11:21):
can't schedule too many boxing matches
in a year.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (11:23):
No.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (11:24):
that wouldn't
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (11:24):
You can't,
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (11:26):
Uhuh.
No.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (11:27):
and being knocked out, that's gotta
be pretty tough.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (11:30):
Yeah.
They should outlaw that.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (11:33):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (11:33):
Let me put a twist on the question.
What sport requires the mostendurance.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_1 (11:41):
I don't really know a lot about
rugby.
I can't imagine that I wouldlast very long personally.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (11:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (11:47):
look at it from the perspective, you
just have to be totallyenergized.
And I'll throw out a second one.
Those guys that play hockey,that is incredible to me that
they can do what they do onthose one blades, skates
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (11:58):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (11:58):
and forth, and just the physicality
of it.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (12:01):
And the weight.
The weight of the gear.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (12:04):
And the gear.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:04):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (12:05):
Yeah, I don't know much about rugby.
I've watched it here and thereand they don't really have all
the padding and so forth,They're so physical.
It just seems like that would betough.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:14):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (12:15):
I'm interested in hearing what you
guys have to say.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (12:18):
I am gonna say I'm not sure.
It is not the decathlon.
think that's the one I'mthinking of.
It's the one where you have to.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:28):
Swim, bike and run.
Tri
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (12:31):
Oh my
thomas-corley_1_08-0 (12:32):
triathlon.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (12:33):
it.
keith-guest386_1_08- (12:33):
Triathlon.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (12:34):
That's it.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (12:35):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (12:35):
Now that's endurance right there.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:36):
yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (12:37):
True.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (12:37):
Those things.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (12:38):
that's true.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (12:39):
oh my
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:40):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (12:41):
I'm gonna go with
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:42):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (12:42):
That's true.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:43):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (12:43):
for endurance.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:44):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04- (12:45):
amazing when I like to watch it, when is
that next summer Olympics,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (12:48):
not next summer.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:49):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (12:50):
Yeah
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (12:50):
so to your point, Mike within that
triathlon, there's those guyswho are cyclists and that.
Particular I, it's not, I don'twanna say it's a sport, but it's
an event, the Tour de Francewhich was just going on and
that's a lot of riding And a lotof hills.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:08):
yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (13:09):
And for how long do they ride a day?
They ride for hours a day, huh?
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (13:15):
they,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (13:15):
For how long?
I was saying the whole event ismore, is
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (13:18):
Yes.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (13:18):
but you're
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (13:19):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (13:19):
they ride for essentially a day.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (13:21):
day.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:22):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (13:22):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (13:23):
all day,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:24):
Yeah.
I thought about that when Iheard about the event.
That's the one that LanceArmstrong used
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (13:29):
yep.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:29):
Yeah, you're right.
That's significant endurance.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (13:32):
And then the sport that Mike and I
not, we don't followedparticular, but we followed Indy
car, but F1 drivers.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:40):
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (13:40):
F1 drivers, man, they're doing five
Gs in those cars.
Their reaction time.
And if you're in an accident,that can be 10 times the GForce.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:53):
Sure.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (13:54):
But the training, is just as much as
a triathlon athlete.
michael-miller_1_08-04 (13:58):
Correct.
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (14:00):
to endurance.
Going back to endurance again asa twist on the question, whether
it's the toughest one or not.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (14:05):
You guys had me rethink that.
I can remember watching thetriathlon and thinking how
gruesome that is and how toughthat has to be.
I don't even know what type oftraining they go through
specifically to get to that, butyour cardio has to be intact.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (14:17):
Oh wow.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (14:18):
I was looking at something that
said the heart rate for the F1drivers is like 170.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (14:23):
Yeah, they
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (14:24):
For that whole time period.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (14:26):
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (14:27):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (14:27):
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (14:28):
to crash.
Woo.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (14:30):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (14:31):
But the tri.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (14:31):
not.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (14:32):
The triathlon is, what is it?
Is it swim?
Three miles?
How long do they bike?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (14:37):
man
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (14:38):
of course there's a marathon in
there, so it's 26.2 on that.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (14:41):
Oh my gosh.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (14:42):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (14:43):
Swim man.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (14:45):
If we had a producer for the show,
we could have somebody look itup.
But it looks like Keith got thathat right now.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (14:50):
yeah, I'm just trying to see the
distances vary, but the maindistances are Sprint 750 meter
swim, 20 kilometer bike.
And five kilometer run.
They talk about half Iron Manand different variations, but
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (15:06):
that half
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (15:06):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (15:07):
Yeah, that's grueling too, right?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (15:09):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (15:10):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (15:11):
yeah, you're on point with that
triathlon.
I didn't really know much aboutrugby, but I imagine that's
gotta be a pretty tough sportbecause it's physical.
But you're right.
I think the triathlon would betougher
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (15:21):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (15:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04- (15:22):
require more, definitely
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (15:24):
Now remember it was two different,
yeah, it was two different ones.
If one was tough, like you said,you gotta be strong And mask,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (15:30):
the
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (15:30):
I say masculine, but the endurance
part.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (15:32):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (15:32):
yeah
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (15:33):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (15:34):
Oh boy.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (15:35):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (15:36):
the political or touchy subject of
the sports world, whether it wasTitle ix.
Billie Jean King representationon the tennis court
universities, getting funding,And whether it be a women's
rowing team or a women'svolleyball team, or a women's
softball team, or whatever thecase may be.
(15:59):
But now, today there's a wholenew conversation regards to
transgender.
Sports.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (16:08):
Right.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (16:09):
And it probably only pertains to,
but it could only seem like aphysical sports, track, yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:15):
Yeah.
Track and field, for sure.
Tennis, I guess could beimpacted by
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (16:20):
It
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (16:20):
that as well,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (16:22):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (16:22):
Any paddle sport, tennis pickleball,
Pat all of'em Racketball.
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (16:27):
yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:28):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (16:30):
Do you think it should be, the
associations that handles that,or you think it should be a
political thing or what's yourguys' opinions on it?
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (16:40):
don't think it should be a political
thing personally,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (16:43):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:43):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (16:43):
I think we've got enough things
for our people to do other thanworry about
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:48):
just.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (16:49):
what sport.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (16:50):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:50):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (16:51):
my opinion is that.
If you're born a male, no matterwhat you do, you're still a
male.
Just been altered,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:58):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (16:58):
If you're born a female, no matter
what you do, you're still afemale.
You've
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (17:01):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (17:02):
That's
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (17:02):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (17:03):
when it comes to sports, no, I don't
think
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (17:05):
But do the not steroids.
What's the drug or the shotsthey're taking the hormone shots
michael-miller_1_08-04 (17:12):
hormone, right?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (17:12):
Does that diminish?
A male
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (17:16):
it,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:17):
or does.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (17:18):
does
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (17:18):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:19):
I know,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:19):
So it still doesn't make'em equal,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (17:22):
No.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (17:23):
right?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (17:23):
No.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:23):
I still think that the male would
have an unfair advantage in thefemale sport.
Now, I don't know, are there anystatistics to show that?
You know what I
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (17:35):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:36):
I don't know.
It just seems to me that theywould have an unfi like Jenner,
he went on to play, what was itafter the change
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (17:48):
Yeah he tried to play tennis, but I
don't know if that wascompetitive tennis.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (17:51):
Oh yeah.
Okay.
All right.
No, that wasn't Competitive.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (17:54):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (17:55):
Yeah, I say once a male, always a
male, you're gonna have anadvantage.
Even with the shots, you'regonna still have an advantage A
female sport and vice versa.
I, I don't see a female havingan advantage, in a Sport.
I just don't see it.
I'm just gonna leave it at that.
Maybe some are just as good.
I'm not saying they're not,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (18:16):
There are anomalies.
Mike, to your point, and this issports specific that we're
talking about.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (18:23):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (18:24):
So 'cause I'm an open-minded
person, but I agree with you.
I don't think that.
A transgender male should becompeting, against females.
And certainly there will be somefemales in that same sport that
probably has a greater skillsetbuy in by, but I think for the
most part.
Especially if it's a physicalsport.
(18:45):
I just don't think that it'sfair.
I know that's a hot bed.
I know that's a hot potato,whatever they wanna call it, I
just think, Mike has, expressedit very well.
I just don't think that themales should the transgenders.
Who are now females who wereborn males should be able to
compete in women's sports.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (19:03):
No
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (19:04):
Go ahead, Mike.
michael-miller_1_08- (19:05):
Especially in college sports.
'cause it seems to me that,'cause everybody's young and a
lot stronger, between 18 and 23.
Yeah.
No matter what they do to amale, you still going have,
you're gonna have a physicaladvantage, That age.
Yeah.
No.
Transgender,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (19:23):
Should the entities that you know
monitor or administer thesesports, should it be considered
an open category?
Should they have their owncategory?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (19:34):
That's interesting.
That makes it tougher, Tom,because at this point in our
history, how many transgenderathletes can we even speak of
that are participating, whetherit be on a college level or high
school level, whereas it wouldenable them to have their own
category or their own league.
(19:55):
what I'm saying?
We are
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (19:55):
we it was probably would be
introduced just probablystarting with track and field.
Or maybe tennis but you can'thave a team, based off the open
category.
But if you have individualsparticipating,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (20:07):
open category, define it a category
that's solely for transgender
thomas-corley_1_08-04- (20:11):
Correct.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (20:12):
So they had a, what do they call
the Paralympics for people with.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (20:16):
No, I'm not saying that they would
have their own, that's anoption.
I guess that's an option.
They have their own division oranything like that.
I'm saying they participate, inagainst, these male female
categories,
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (20:32):
what you're saying.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (20:33):
For a crew team, crew, team rowing,
you compete against the males asa transgender.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (20:40):
I would say it would be up to the
governing bodies of those sports
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (20:45):
I agree.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (20:46):
To handle it,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (20:47):
yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (20:47):
sure.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (20:48):
It's not up to Congress we got enough
of them to
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (20:50):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (20:50):
Right.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (20:51):
up to the governing bodies of a
specific sport to come up with,how they wanna handle that.
I can't say that there areenough athletes to have a whole
division one sport Them.
Should they have, if it'senough, sure.
If they got funding for it, and,I'm sure the government not
gonna fund it, but if they cansecure funding for it.
(21:11):
I'm not gonna say no, they can'thave it.
That's up again, up to thegoverning bodies of those sports
and universities and, highschools
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (21:20):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (21:20):
up with what they're gonna do.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (21:21):
I think it goes down, to the
governing bodies.
I think when it comes toschools, it comes down to the
school board and
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (21:27):
Right?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (21:27):
That community to make that decision.
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (21:30):
And again, it's gotta be funded.
No matter what if they wanna doit, okay, who's gonna fund you?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (21:36):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (21:36):
that's what it's gonna come down to.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (21:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (21:39):
so
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (21:40):
So you were,
michael-miller_1_08-04- (21:41):
answer.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_1 (21:41):
I was just trying to even fathom
any circumstance where I couldsee where that could pan out,
because then I startedprojecting forward to instance,
professional baseball.
You've got a transgender personwas a male and now is a female.
And they want to play continueto because they had a skillset
to continue to play ball and nowthey're good enough where they
(22:04):
can get to a pro level.
H how is that something wheremen, players for instance, would
even embrace.
Someone who was once a male,who's now a female, even though
they have the skillset to playball, to be in the locker room.
There's so many differentcomponents and facets that you
have to look at
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (22:24):
Oh yeah, for sure.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (22:25):
And that, and I think in a lot of
ways, that's the biggest thingI've seen.
Young female swimmers just saythey went along with it.
'cause they more or less had togo along with it.
Particularly since Trump hasdone what he has by cutting the
funding.
But they were uncomfortablesharing a locker room with
somebody that is transgender or,you know what I'm saying?
They just try to be politicallycorrect because of the times
(22:46):
we're in.
But now a lot of them areexhaling because in truth, they
didn't want to do it, but theyhad to because, they would've
looked like they were beingdiscriminatory so I think that
it makes it difficult onceyou've made that choice, to go
from one sex to another,everything doesn't have to turn
on a dime for you.
Now you're throwing off thewhole system, right?
(23:07):
The whole balance of things.
And so now you're saying this isa choice I made personally for
me.
Now I want you guys to embraceor accept me for who I am by
allowing me to play in thesport.
With a gender that, that isdifferent what I was born so it
becomes a situation where whenyou make that life changing
(23:28):
decision you really gottaconsider everything that goes
with it.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (23:32):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (23:33):
Have to consider everything that goes
with it.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (23:35):
Yep.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (23:35):
Now you're expecting everything to
change because you changed,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (23:39):
Not gonna happen.
And sports is really not thearena for that.
keith-guest386_1_08-04- (23:42):
Because that's a competition.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (23:44):
Once born a male, no matter what they
do to your body, you are still a
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (23:48):
You're still a male.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (23:49):
how many shots you take
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (23:50):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (23:51):
it is,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (23:51):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (23:52):
It just it
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (23:52):
Is that your expert opinion?
Michael Miller?
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (23:55):
Yeah.
That's my
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (23:57):
ah,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (23:59):
That's my story, and I'm sticking to
it.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (24:01):
Hey Tom.
I
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (24:01):
and he start,
keith-guest386_1_08-04 (24:02):
opinion.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:03):
he started, it sounded like he was
at the podium in the lecturehall.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:06):
I wouldn't want to watch a woman's
sport, and then someone'stransgender in there and see
them just dominate,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (24:13):
in the back of your mind.
Fair to the athlete.
'cause you're always gonna bethinking you,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:17):
It would be the asterisk mark.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:18):
Yeah.
It'd be an asterisk.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (24:20):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:20):
I wanna watch women's, I wanna see
women compete against women
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (24:23):
All right.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (24:24):
Do what they do,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:24):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (24:25):
That's okay though.
It is what it is.
These are changing times It'sgoing
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:29):
yeah,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (24:29):
be a political hotbed for quite
some time.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:33):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (24:34):
Change is difficult and slow
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (24:36):
right.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (24:37):
We'll see what they come up with.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (24:38):
when you say change, Michael Miller,
the few things that allowedthings to change was sports.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:45):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (24:46):
Things changed in sports before it
changed in military, culture andsociety.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (24:50):
Very
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (24:51):
Sports
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (24:52):
true.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (24:52):
Was a spot,
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (24:53):
Very true.
thomas-corley_1_08-04- (24:54):
Possibly music,
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (24:55):
wait, eh?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (24:56):
yeah.
But
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (24:57):
see
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (24:57):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:58):
I see what you're saying.
Yeah, very true.
Change was coming first.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (25:00):
For us,
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (25:02):
Yes.
Absolutely.
I don't know.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (25:04):
We don't have the answer, sir.
We're just in the barbershoptalking.
michael-miller_1_08-04 (25:07):
Correct.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (25:07):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04 (25:07):
Correct.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (25:08):
Even though Keith Pickens is in his
man cave, and Mike Miller lookslike he's sitting in his dining
room
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (25:12):
Yep.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (25:14):
and I'm sitting in the room with a
closed door.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (25:16):
But this, discussion is barbershop
based and always gonna be myout.
I'm not the subject matterexpert.
This is specifically, myopinion.
Not agree with it.
But this is where I stand,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (25:29):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (25:30):
There you go.
It's my opinion.
You might not agree with
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (25:32):
And as Michael Miller says, I'm
sticking with it.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (25:35):
I'm sticking with it, right?
That's my story.
I'm sticking to it.
Yes, sir.
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(25:56):
Thanks for listening.
We'll be back next week with theWhat's Going On Podcast.
In this episode, Mike MillerKeith, Pickens and Tom engaged
in a lively discussion aboutlegendary Detroit sports
figures, including Tommy HitmanHearns, Willie Horton, and Dave
Bing.
They also delve into a debate onwhich sport is the toughest with
contenders, including boxing,football, and triathlon.
(00:23):
The conversation takes a turntowards contemporary issues in
sports, such as the impact andfairness of transgender athletes
competing in gender specificcategories.
This episode brings barbershopstyle, real talk to the
forefront, blending nostalgia,sports admiration, and hot
button topics.
I'm Thomas Corley with KeithPickens and Michael Miller.
(00:45):
This is the What's Going Onpodcast.
Thank you for listening.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (00:49):
what's going on?
Mike Miller?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (00:51):
Hey there, Keith.
Oh, golly.
See, I started off went wrongalready.
I said
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (00:56):
Wait.
He threw
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (00:57):
Keith.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (00:58):
Hey.
He threw you a curve ballthough, no pun intended.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (01:00):
I was sitting there looking at
Keith and To the Tom.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (01:03):
He threw you a curve ball?
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (01:04):
Hey, did All right.
Here we go.
Start over.
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (01:08):
What's going on?
Keith Pickens.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (01:10):
Hey.
What's going on tc?
What's up, Mike?
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (01:12):
Hey, Keith.
Hey, Tom.
How you guys
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (01:15):
Good.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (01:15):
Good.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (01:16):
So you didn't like that curve ball
threw at you, huh?
Mike?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (01:19):
I wasn't ready for that
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (01:20):
That plays right into our
conversation of sports today.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (01:23):
Mike said it was always age before
beauty.
Now you threw the beauty beforeage in there that just messed
everything up.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (01:30):
Get outta here.
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (01:32):
so we had a week off, because I was
not feeling great, but we alsohad a strategy meeting, so that
kind of worked out for us.
This week we said let's makethis a barbershop type real talk
conversation.
I presented to you guys beforeour session.
A question in Detroit Sports,who is your person?
(01:57):
Go with you, Mike Miller.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (01:59):
It is hard to pick a person.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (02:01):
It
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (02:01):
You know what?
It could because a generational,it's a generational situation.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (02:06):
I mean
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (02:06):
Not only that, it is several sports.
michael-miller_1_08-04 (02:10):
Correct.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (02:10):
We are sports towns.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (02:12):
That's right.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (02:13):
And we've had many great sports
figures that we can say, oh,this is my favorite.
I'm gonna say Tommy Hitman.
Hearns.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (02:19):
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (02:20):
That's
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (02:20):
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (02:21):
The Hitman.
thomas-corley_1_08-0 (02:21):
Definitely a good one.
michael-miller_1_08-04- (02:23):
Anybody else, the Willie Mays, the
Curtis Rose I say Willie MaysWillie Horton,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (02:28):
right?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (02:29):
Curtis Rowe, and of course Isaiah for
the Pistons.
I'm going even back to Dave Lan.
I used to love Bob
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (02:35):
Same here.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (02:36):
that.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (02:38):
Dave Bing was my guy.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (02:39):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (02:40):
Okay.
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (02:41):
this is the only town.
Of the country that, that hadeach major sport, NHL be
M-L-B-N-F-L-N-B-A, where theyall had their own arena.
A lot of towns can't say that,can't say that their major
sports teams had their ownvenue.
Because of ownership changes andthings of that nature.
(03:04):
It's a consolidation of arenas.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (03:07):
Right.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (03:07):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04- (03:08):
They're typically all in the same
vicinity now.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (03:10):
Yeah.
That means a lot.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (03:12):
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (03:13):
It does.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (03:14):
So what do you say, Keith?
Who is your person?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (03:17):
Oh, my guy is,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (03:18):
I.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_1 (03:19):
a guy that is going to age me, or
it takes me all the way back.
As a matter of fact, this guy isresponsible for my passion for
baseball.
Willie Horton is my guy.
We're going way back to 67 68.
He made a great impression on ayoung kid in terms of having
somebody who looks like me be sosuccessful.
(03:40):
I could, I could run off thestats for that year.
Yeah, that, and he still and tothis day, I think he was born in
42, if I'm not mistaken, but tothis day, he's still an honorary
tiger.
He's at all of the games andhe's represented, they've got a
statue of him outside of,comerica.
So that's my guy.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (03:59):
Okay.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (03:59):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (04:00):
Yeah, I was curious too, that you said
when you said Willie Horton, Iwas like, is that somebody you
could run the stats for?
And you said you could.
So that's interesting.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (04:11):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (04:13):
Do you have a favorite time?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (04:15):
I don't have a favorite.
I just have a person
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (04:19):
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (04:20):
I'm tied to memories with this
person, And that would be DaveBing.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (04:25):
Oh
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (04:25):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (04:26):
You go.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (04:27):
Number 21, right?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (04:28):
yeah, my stepfather was a big sports
fan for the city.
We, before the picture andpicture TVs, he would have a 13
inch sitting on top of a 20inch.
One sport going while the othersport was gone.
And then, whichever one it washis favorite or whichever one
was going in the rightdirection.
Got the main screen and yeah, hewas a big sports fan.
(04:50):
And then him and his buddies.
We were always down at COBOHall, during the piston games,
when he married my mom, I got achance to go to a couple of
those games to see the intensityof, a professional basketball
game At the old COBOL HallArena.
The fact that he became mayor ofthe city was something big too.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (05:09):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (05:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (05:11):
If I had to choose, he would've
been my guy for basketball forsure,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (05:14):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (05:15):
again, he was somebody that made an
impression on me at a young age,Because I aspired to play
sports, baseball in particular,but sports, period.
I love sports even to today.
he was somebody that representedus well, when I say us, our
culture.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (05:30):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (05:30):
Very well in terms of his
professionalism, but not onlythat, he was a great player.
Dave Bing would've been my guyif we were talking specifically
about basketball.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (05:40):
Would he be your guy overall?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_1 (05:42):
I think because it takes me back,
it is a nostalgic point.
It takes me back to a time whenthings were a lot more simple
for me as a kid.
Of course, how could you notlove Isaiah Thomas?
And there are some people whodon't, I think Isaiah was a
great basketball player andsomebody during his time that I
really admired Chauncey Billups.
(06:02):
But yeah, I think if I had topose a question and you
specifically said, who was yourfavorite Detroit basketball
sports figure, I would've saidDave B.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (06:12):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (06:13):
Yep.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (06:13):
Mike, who would you say as far as your
overall athlete?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (06:17):
O overall athlete.
Wow.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (06:20):
Yeah while you think about it, I'm
gonna say,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (06:22):
that's a.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (06:23):
I'm gonna say Arthur Ashe.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (06:25):
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (06:27):
Yeah, I'm gonna say Arthur Ashe.
'cause he was a classy guy Iloved tennis when I was growing
up.
It was a big thing.
He was the first to represent uson a real national, big national
scale.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (06:39):
Yeah,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (06:39):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (06:40):
the guy that I would've looked at,
he floated like a butterfly andhe stung like a bee Because what
he did during that time, I wasjust reading something recently.
Actually I saw a YouTube video,the guy was interviewing him and
he was trying to throw him curveballs and he kept bringing it
back to the fact that, I do whatI do and I support what I
support because.
For people who look like me,it's important to, have a
(07:02):
positive mindset, to have,positive examples.
He honored, he was obviously amember of the Nation of Islam.
And the honorable ElijahMuhammad was somebody that he
was a student of, thatinterview, and I'll share it
with you guys.
I think I can find it onYouTube.
It was such a great interview,but he was somebody that I
admired.
If I'd have taken up boxing, itwould've been to mimic
(07:23):
everything that he did.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (07:25):
Wow.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (07:25):
And I'm gonna say, when you say
overall athlete, just athlete,right now, what comes to mind is
Michael Jordan, as far all therunning and jumping, that you
have to do in basketball.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (07:41):
That your answer.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (07:42):
That's not my answer.
When you, the amount of runningthat you have to do 48 minutes
of, going back and forth down ahardwood floor.
Your knees are really not madefor that.
All of the running and jumpingand the way he kept himself
together athletically, michaelJordan was a very good athlete.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (07:57):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (07:58):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (07:58):
yeah, but I really have to think on
that a little bit more.
Overall athlete, but right nowcomes to mind, I'm gonna say
Jordan.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:05):
Yeah.
So to tie in or the lead in forthat, since Mike was leading up
to it what's your opinion?
Because I don't think we wannahave a right answer here.
It's debatable.
The question I'm about to ask,But what's the toughest sport
for an athlete?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (08:20):
Are we including the decathlon
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:23):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (08:24):
and all that?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:25):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (08:25):
He said sport.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (08:27):
Yep.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (08:28):
That's
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:28):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (08:28):
yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (08:29):
I'm going to, go out and say boxing.
But I have a runner up.
But boxing is'cause you as amale I am sure it's the same way
with females, but I've beenspeaking from a male
perspective.
When you got another manweighing 200 pounds, I'm
speaking heavyweight, Wailing onyou
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (08:47):
right.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (08:47):
for however long those rounds go,
three minute rounds or whateverthey are.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (08:51):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (08:52):
And you go up to 12 rounds or
something like that that's alot.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (08:56):
That is,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (08:56):
would have to be the toughest sport,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (08:58):
i'm gonna interject in that.
I'm gonna really play off ofwhat you said.
I'm gonna say football Andhockey is a tough sport, but
football,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (09:06):
Yes.
Hockey's tough.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (09:07):
200, 250, 270 pound pounding on each
other, think football.
When you have 300 pound guysrunning, 4, 6, 4, 4, 7.
Whatever they're quick andthey're strong.
They're gladiators, man.
They're modern day gladiators,and these guys do it.
You got offense and you gotdefense side of the ball.
So you got, you certainlycouldn't play both sides of the
(09:29):
ball.
You, nobody could endure that.
But the pounding that they take,how fast they, and today's
athletes are, in my opinion,even far more superior in a lot
of ways on average than theathletes of all.
When you have these guys goingup against each other in battle,
constantly play after play.
I think about those guys like arunning back who has to endure
(09:52):
the pounding, but if he breaksfree, he may have to run 70, 80
yards.
Think about this.
70 or 80 yards is what?
270 yards is what?
210 feet?
Something like
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (10:05):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (10:05):
Like that.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (10:05):
It was thinking about, you know how
I used to try to run a hundredyard dash when I was young and
how that was nothing.
Then I looked at a footballfield the other day.
I was actually at the Lionstraining camp, and I looked at
how big that field is I said toTiffany, these guys have to run
a hundred yards.
I do good to run 20, 30 yardstoday.
Because it's just so grueling.
(10:27):
The whistle is short.
You know what I'm saying?
The play is over.
Unless they take a timeout,you're back to it.
And so I agree that boxing is areally tough physical sport, but
I think football even takes alittle bit more.
They pound each other day in,and they play every week
essentially, boxing, you canschedule a match, whenever you
get ready, really,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (10:48):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (10:48):
You don't see'em fight 3, 4, 5 times
in a year,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (10:51):
No.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (10:52):
So not to disparage what you say or
to discount what you're saying,but if it were me, if it my, in
my opinion, I would saycertainly football.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (10:59):
Yeah.
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (11:00):
I tend to agree the linemen on the
football field take the mostgruesome pounding.
And they have to do it everyweek you said, I'm gonna agree
with the football, but Wow.
When you think about it, boxing.
You can only fight once a year.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (11:18):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (11:19):
I didn't think of it that way
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (11:21):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (11:21):
can't schedule too many boxing matches
in a year.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (11:23):
No.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (11:24):
that wouldn't
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (11:24):
You can't,
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (11:26):
Uhuh.
No.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (11:27):
and being knocked out, that's gotta
be pretty tough.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (11:30):
Yeah.
They should outlaw that.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (11:33):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (11:33):
Let me put a twist on the question.
What sport requires the mostendurance.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_1 (11:41):
I don't really know a lot about
rugby.
I can't imagine that I wouldlast very long personally.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (11:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (11:47):
look at it from the perspective, you
just have to be totallyenergized.
And I'll throw out a second one.
Those guys that play hockey,that is incredible to me that
they can do what they do onthose one blades, skates
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (11:58):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (11:58):
and forth, and just the physicality
of it.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (12:01):
And the weight.
The weight of the gear.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (12:04):
And the gear.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:04):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (12:05):
Yeah, I don't know much about rugby.
I've watched it here and thereand they don't really have all
the padding and so forth,They're so physical.
It just seems like that would betough.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:14):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (12:15):
I'm interested in hearing what you
guys have to say.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (12:18):
I am gonna say I'm not sure.
It is not the decathlon.
think that's the one I'mthinking of.
It's the one where you have to.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:28):
Swim, bike and run.
Tri
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (12:31):
Oh my
thomas-corley_1_08-0 (12:32):
triathlon.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (12:33):
it.
keith-guest386_1_08- (12:33):
Triathlon.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (12:34):
That's it.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (12:35):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (12:35):
Now that's endurance right there.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:36):
yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (12:37):
True.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (12:37):
Those things.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (12:38):
that's true.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (12:39):
oh my
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:40):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (12:41):
I'm gonna go with
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:42):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (12:42):
That's true.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:43):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (12:43):
for endurance.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:44):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04- (12:45):
amazing when I like to watch it, when is
that next summer Olympics,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (12:48):
not next summer.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (12:49):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (12:50):
Yeah
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (12:50):
so to your point, Mike within that
triathlon, there's those guyswho are cyclists and that.
Particular I, it's not, I don'twanna say it's a sport, but it's
an event, the Tour de Francewhich was just going on and
that's a lot of riding And a lotof hills.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:08):
yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (13:09):
And for how long do they ride a day?
They ride for hours a day, huh?
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (13:15):
they,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (13:15):
For how long?
I was saying the whole event ismore, is
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (13:18):
Yes.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (13:18):
but you're
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (13:19):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (13:19):
they ride for essentially a day.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (13:21):
day.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:22):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (13:22):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (13:23):
all day,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:24):
Yeah.
I thought about that when Iheard about the event.
That's the one that LanceArmstrong used
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (13:29):
yep.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:29):
Yeah, you're right.
That's significant endurance.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (13:32):
And then the sport that Mike and I
not, we don't followedparticular, but we followed Indy
car, but F1 drivers.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:40):
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (13:40):
F1 drivers, man, they're doing five
Gs in those cars.
Their reaction time.
And if you're in an accident,that can be 10 times the GForce.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (13:53):
Sure.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (13:54):
But the training, is just as much as
a triathlon athlete.
michael-miller_1_08-04 (13:58):
Correct.
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (14:00):
to endurance.
Going back to endurance again asa twist on the question, whether
it's the toughest one or not.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (14:05):
You guys had me rethink that.
I can remember watching thetriathlon and thinking how
gruesome that is and how toughthat has to be.
I don't even know what type oftraining they go through
specifically to get to that, butyour cardio has to be intact.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (14:17):
Oh wow.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (14:18):
I was looking at something that
said the heart rate for the F1drivers is like 170.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (14:23):
Yeah, they
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (14:24):
For that whole time period.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (14:26):
Okay.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (14:27):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (14:27):
Okay.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (14:28):
to crash.
Woo.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (14:30):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (14:31):
But the tri.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (14:31):
not.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (14:32):
The triathlon is, what is it?
Is it swim?
Three miles?
How long do they bike?
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (14:37):
man
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (14:38):
of course there's a marathon in
there, so it's 26.2 on that.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (14:41):
Oh my gosh.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (14:42):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (14:43):
Swim man.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (14:45):
If we had a producer for the show,
we could have somebody look itup.
But it looks like Keith got thathat right now.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (14:50):
yeah, I'm just trying to see the
distances vary, but the maindistances are Sprint 750 meter
swim, 20 kilometer bike.
And five kilometer run.
They talk about half Iron Manand different variations, but
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (15:06):
that half
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (15:06):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (15:07):
Yeah, that's grueling too, right?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (15:09):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (15:10):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (15:11):
yeah, you're on point with that
triathlon.
I didn't really know much aboutrugby, but I imagine that's
gotta be a pretty tough sportbecause it's physical.
But you're right.
I think the triathlon would betougher
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (15:21):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (15:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04- (15:22):
require more, definitely
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (15:24):
Now remember it was two different,
yeah, it was two different ones.
If one was tough, like you said,you gotta be strong And mask,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (15:30):
the
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (15:30):
I say masculine, but the endurance
part.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (15:32):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (15:32):
yeah
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (15:33):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (15:34):
Oh boy.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (15:35):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (15:36):
the political or touchy subject of
the sports world, whether it wasTitle ix.
Billie Jean King representationon the tennis court
universities, getting funding,And whether it be a women's
rowing team or a women'svolleyball team, or a women's
softball team, or whatever thecase may be.
(15:59):
But now, today there's a wholenew conversation regards to
transgender.
Sports.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (16:08):
Right.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (16:09):
And it probably only pertains to,
but it could only seem like aphysical sports, track, yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:15):
Yeah.
Track and field, for sure.
Tennis, I guess could beimpacted by
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (16:20):
It
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (16:20):
that as well,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (16:22):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (16:22):
Any paddle sport, tennis pickleball,
Pat all of'em Racketball.
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (16:27):
yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:28):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (16:30):
Do you think it should be, the
associations that handles that,or you think it should be a
political thing or what's yourguys' opinions on it?
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (16:40):
don't think it should be a political
thing personally,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (16:43):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:43):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (16:43):
I think we've got enough things
for our people to do other thanworry about
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:48):
just.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (16:49):
what sport.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (16:50):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:50):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (16:51):
my opinion is that.
If you're born a male, no matterwhat you do, you're still a
male.
Just been altered,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (16:58):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (16:58):
If you're born a female, no matter
what you do, you're still afemale.
You've
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (17:01):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (17:02):
That's
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (17:02):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (17:03):
when it comes to sports, no, I don't
think
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (17:05):
But do the not steroids.
What's the drug or the shotsthey're taking the hormone shots
michael-miller_1_08-04 (17:12):
hormone, right?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (17:12):
Does that diminish?
A male
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (17:16):
it,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:17):
or does.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (17:18):
does
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (17:18):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:19):
I know,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:19):
So it still doesn't make'em equal,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (17:22):
No.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (17:23):
right?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (17:23):
No.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:23):
I still think that the male would
have an unfair advantage in thefemale sport.
Now, I don't know, are there anystatistics to show that?
You know what I
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (17:35):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (17:36):
I don't know.
It just seems to me that theywould have an unfi like Jenner,
he went on to play, what was itafter the change
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (17:48):
Yeah he tried to play tennis, but I
don't know if that wascompetitive tennis.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (17:51):
Oh yeah.
Okay.
All right.
No, that wasn't Competitive.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (17:54):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (17:55):
Yeah, I say once a male, always a
male, you're gonna have anadvantage.
Even with the shots, you'regonna still have an advantage A
female sport and vice versa.
I, I don't see a female havingan advantage, in a Sport.
I just don't see it.
I'm just gonna leave it at that.
Maybe some are just as good.
I'm not saying they're not,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (18:16):
There are anomalies.
Mike, to your point, and this issports specific that we're
talking about.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (18:23):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (18:24):
So 'cause I'm an open-minded
person, but I agree with you.
I don't think that.
A transgender male should becompeting, against females.
And certainly there will be somefemales in that same sport that
probably has a greater skillsetbuy in by, but I think for the
most part.
Especially if it's a physicalsport.
(18:45):
I just don't think that it'sfair.
I know that's a hot bed.
I know that's a hot potato,whatever they wanna call it, I
just think, Mike has, expressedit very well.
I just don't think that themales should the transgenders.
Who are now females who wereborn males should be able to
compete in women's sports.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (19:03):
No
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (19:04):
Go ahead, Mike.
michael-miller_1_08- (19:05):
Especially in college sports.
'cause it seems to me that,'cause everybody's young and a
lot stronger, between 18 and 23.
Yeah.
No matter what they do to amale, you still going have,
you're gonna have a physicaladvantage, That age.
Yeah.
No.
Transgender,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (19:23):
Should the entities that you know
monitor or administer thesesports, should it be considered
an open category?
Should they have their owncategory?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (19:34):
That's interesting.
That makes it tougher, Tom,because at this point in our
history, how many transgenderathletes can we even speak of
that are participating, whetherit be on a college level or high
school level, whereas it wouldenable them to have their own
category or their own league.
(19:55):
what I'm saying?
We are
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (19:55):
we it was probably would be
introduced just probablystarting with track and field.
Or maybe tennis but you can'thave a team, based off the open
category.
But if you have individualsparticipating,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (20:07):
open category, define it a category
that's solely for transgender
thomas-corley_1_08-04- (20:11):
Correct.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (20:12):
So they had a, what do they call
the Paralympics for people with.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (20:16):
No, I'm not saying that they would
have their own, that's anoption.
I guess that's an option.
They have their own division oranything like that.
I'm saying they participate, inagainst, these male female
categories,
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (20:32):
what you're saying.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (20:33):
For a crew team, crew, team rowing,
you compete against the males asa transgender.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (20:40):
I would say it would be up to the
governing bodies of those sports
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (20:45):
I agree.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (20:46):
To handle it,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (20:47):
yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (20:47):
sure.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (20:48):
It's not up to Congress we got enough
of them to
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (20:50):
Right.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (20:50):
Right.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (20:51):
up to the governing bodies of a
specific sport to come up with,how they wanna handle that.
I can't say that there areenough athletes to have a whole
division one sport Them.
Should they have, if it'senough, sure.
If they got funding for it, and,I'm sure the government not
gonna fund it, but if they cansecure funding for it.
(21:11):
I'm not gonna say no, they can'thave it.
That's up again, up to thegoverning bodies of those sports
and universities and, highschools
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (21:20):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (21:20):
up with what they're gonna do.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_16 (21:21):
I think it goes down, to the
governing bodies.
I think when it comes toschools, it comes down to the
school board and
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (21:27):
Right?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (21:27):
That community to make that decision.
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (21:30):
And again, it's gotta be funded.
No matter what if they wanna doit, okay, who's gonna fund you?
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (21:36):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (21:36):
that's what it's gonna come down to.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (21:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (21:39):
so
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (21:40):
So you were,
michael-miller_1_08-04- (21:41):
answer.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_1 (21:41):
I was just trying to even fathom
any circumstance where I couldsee where that could pan out,
because then I startedprojecting forward to instance,
professional baseball.
You've got a transgender personwas a male and now is a female.
And they want to play continueto because they had a skillset
to continue to play ball and nowthey're good enough where they
(22:04):
can get to a pro level.
H how is that something wheremen, players for instance, would
even embrace.
Someone who was once a male,who's now a female, even though
they have the skillset to playball, to be in the locker room.
There's so many differentcomponents and facets that you
have to look at
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (22:24):
Oh yeah, for sure.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (22:25):
And that, and I think in a lot of
ways, that's the biggest thingI've seen.
Young female swimmers just saythey went along with it.
'cause they more or less had togo along with it.
Particularly since Trump hasdone what he has by cutting the
funding.
But they were uncomfortablesharing a locker room with
somebody that is transgender or,you know what I'm saying?
They just try to be politicallycorrect because of the times
(22:46):
we're in.
But now a lot of them areexhaling because in truth, they
didn't want to do it, but theyhad to because, they would've
looked like they were beingdiscriminatory so I think that
it makes it difficult onceyou've made that choice, to go
from one sex to another,everything doesn't have to turn
on a dime for you.
Now you're throwing off thewhole system, right?
(23:07):
The whole balance of things.
And so now you're saying this isa choice I made personally for
me.
Now I want you guys to embraceor accept me for who I am by
allowing me to play in thesport.
With a gender that, that isdifferent what I was born so it
becomes a situation where whenyou make that life changing
(23:28):
decision you really gottaconsider everything that goes
with it.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (23:32):
Yeah.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-202 (23:33):
Have to consider everything that goes
with it.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (23:35):
Yep.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (23:35):
Now you're expecting everything to
change because you changed,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (23:39):
Not gonna happen.
And sports is really not thearena for that.
keith-guest386_1_08-04- (23:42):
Because that's a competition.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (23:44):
Once born a male, no matter what they
do to your body, you are still a
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2 (23:48):
You're still a male.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (23:49):
how many shots you take
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (23:50):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (23:51):
it is,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (23:51):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (23:52):
It just it
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (23:52):
Is that your expert opinion?
Michael Miller?
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (23:55):
Yeah.
That's my
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (23:57):
ah,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (23:59):
That's my story, and I'm sticking to
it.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (24:01):
Hey Tom.
I
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (24:01):
and he start,
keith-guest386_1_08-04 (24:02):
opinion.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:03):
he started, it sounded like he was
at the podium in the lecturehall.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:06):
I wouldn't want to watch a woman's
sport, and then someone'stransgender in there and see
them just dominate,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025_ (24:13):
in the back of your mind.
Fair to the athlete.
'cause you're always gonna bethinking you,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:17):
It would be the asterisk mark.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:18):
Yeah.
It'd be an asterisk.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (24:20):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:20):
I wanna watch women's, I wanna see
women compete against women
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (24:23):
All right.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (24:24):
Do what they do,
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:24):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (24:25):
That's okay though.
It is what it is.
These are changing times It'sgoing
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:29):
yeah,
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_ (24:29):
be a political hotbed for quite
some time.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:33):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2 (24:34):
Change is difficult and slow
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (24:36):
right.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (24:37):
We'll see what they come up with.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (24:38):
when you say change, Michael Miller,
the few things that allowedthings to change was sports.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (24:45):
Yeah.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (24:46):
Things changed in sports before it
changed in military, culture andsociety.
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (24:50):
Very
thomas-corley_1_08-04-20 (24:51):
Sports
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (24:52):
true.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (24:52):
Was a spot,
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (24:53):
Very true.
thomas-corley_1_08-04- (24:54):
Possibly music,
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (24:55):
wait, eh?
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (24:56):
yeah.
But
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (24:57):
see
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (24:57):
yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025_1 (24:58):
I see what you're saying.
Yeah, very true.
Change was coming first.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (25:00):
For us,
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (25:02):
Yes.
Absolutely.
I don't know.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_1 (25:04):
We don't have the answer, sir.
We're just in the barbershoptalking.
michael-miller_1_08-04 (25:07):
Correct.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-20 (25:07):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04 (25:07):
Correct.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025 (25:08):
Even though Keith Pickens is in his
man cave, and Mike Miller lookslike he's sitting in his dining
room
michael-miller_1_08-04-202 (25:12):
Yep.
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (25:14):
and I'm sitting in the room with a
closed door.
keith-guest386_1_08-04-2025 (25:16):
But this, discussion is barbershop
based and always gonna be myout.
I'm not the subject matterexpert.
This is specifically, myopinion.
Not agree with it.
But this is where I stand,
thomas-corley_1_08-04-202 (25:29):
Yeah.
michael-miller_1_08-04-20 (25:30):
There you go.
It's my opinion.
You might not agree with
thomas-corley_1_08-04-2025_ (25:32):
And as Michael Miller says, I'm
sticking with it.
michael-miller_1_08-04-2025 (25:35):
I'm sticking with it, right?
That's my story.
I'm sticking to it.
Yes, sir.
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